From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 00:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08520; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B3F4C4F.9416CB40@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 09:14:07 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2YiLtD.A.AFC.pOqP7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got around this problem by using a programmable tube preamp/multieffects box (Digitech 2120) It really gives a huge amount of flexibility, letting me feed tube distorted signal from my guitar into my JamMan, and clean GR-30 signal in as well. (or visa versa) What's the catch? It's not really as good as going into totally seperate dedicated amps, but I do think it's pretty damn good, and definitely worth the compromise for the flexibility. However, knowing that the Repeater will have an output for each loop channel (4) it makes it all moot. I could use one channel for bass, two channels for stereo guitar, and one for synth, each finding their own custom preamp/amp/cab destination. Sweet? Boy howdy! Mark Nick Schillace wrote: > >From: "Mike Feeney" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals > >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:09:22 -0500 > > > > > >i've been coming up against the same hurdle here... I am building a > >pedalboard with the boomerang as my looper along with some other effects. > >I > >have an acoustic guitar and also an electric. I want to have both guitars > >plugged into the rig at the same time, but of course have the ability to > >switch from one to the other when I want, so that I can loop both guitars. > >My only problem is that when I'm playing the acoustic I want the signal to > >go to the PA, but when I'm playing electric, I want the signal to run to my > >amp (just got a new Fender Hot Rod DeVille!). Any advice on how to route > >the signal?? Probably just going to use an A/B switch for the inputs, but > >I'm not yet sure how to handle the output, unless I just use a 2nd A/B > >switch. But then that could be awkward, I think, to have to hit two > >different switches to change guitars. Not sure. > > > >The 2nd hurdle is that I'm thinking I'd have to use two different loopers > >in > >order to loop the acoustic guitar and have it continue to run through the > >PA > >if I wanted to use both instruments in the same song. Any other ideas? > > Mike- > I figured that this would be a common theme with different problems. I > think they both center around using the boomerang in 2 different, but like > situations. > I have been running a small pedal board that splits my signal before the > rang but after effects. I use an a/b to control the signals which only > differ by the rang. The looped signal goes to an old super reverb, and the > other to a newer concert. I have a volume pedal that I turn down when I plug > and uplug guitars. > My problem is that the electrix products I just got really need to go > through an effects loop, which only the concert has. I know it seems logical > to just loop on the concert, but loops sound better out of the super. > Anyway, I think that there is a rather complex way to route using many > cables and the aux on the rang, but it makes my head hurt just thinking > about it. I would imagine that there are good switching systems out there > that some loopers might know about. > Boss makes a good and very flexible line selecter for a hundred bucks that > can also power other pedals. This might help you with your problem. I > checked it out on rolandus.com yesterday. > N > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 03:25:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14222; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B3ECF9F.83B60E73@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:22:08 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Call for NYC Loopfeste References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Sandberg wrote: > OK guys -- this LA loopfeste sounds great -- wish I had been there. > Is there a tape or CD or online file or something so we > non-westcoasters can check it out? Tony Moore (the organizer) recorded each set to MiniDisc, so it's definitely documented. I don't know what Ric and Steve's plans are for their own sets, but Tony has kindly offered to transfer my set to DAT for me (I don't have a MiniDisc player). Once I've got that, I'll likely have the material uploaded to my web site as RealAudio and/or mp3 within a couple of weeks, and there's also a good chance I'll be offering at least some of the material on a custom-burned CD-R basis, which I've been meaning to launch for a while now. > But more importantly, why don't we NYC loopers get together and do > an evening to share our work with each other? Any interest? Do it! It's been incredibly gratifying for me to take all of this online discussion and see it translated into real-time, tangible, face-to-face playing and interaction. Highly, highly recommended. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 03:52:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14788; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:51:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:51:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Beyond the Pale Festival SF; Cali To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.5 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B3ECF9F.83B60E73@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am jealous of all you west coasters http://www.neurotrecordings.com/festival/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 04:27:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16825; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:25:00 EDT Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >amp (just got a new Fender Hot Rod DeVille!). Any advice on how to route > >the signal?? > > One hardware hack might be to rewire a stereo volume pedal so that > instead of the dual-gang pot fading both channels up and down > together, they cross-fade the two signals. > -- the vol ped idea wouldn't work well (log pots) sounds like you need to wire a DPDT (=double throw double pole) switch to select guitar I/P at the same time as shorting out the I/P to the amp system that you aren't using with that guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 04:39:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17207; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 04:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010701083746.92459.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Againinator beta problems? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B3EC014.116EF3FD@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, I see now. The cat was innocent; BUT, the Againinator thought it was my mullet. John --- Mark wrote: > In future updates, the Againinator will also be able > to make commentary, in the > form of biting, about your clothes. We've had a few > fatalities when testing > this feature on spandex pants and tee-shirts with > silk screens of tuxedos on > them, so we're still in beta on that version. > > From: John Tidwell > > c) indulged in carnal knowledge with my cat. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 06:19:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20216; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Subject: RE: LA Loop Feste Review Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary wrote: >>Thanks again Steve for playing my request--<< Thanks again for being familiar enough with my music that have requests!! It doesn't happen too often... LOL Great day at Bass Day in LA today - and looping was high on the agenda - I was doing some serious loop evangelism with my DL4s in the Ashdown room, and Todd Johnson who came to the gig on Thursday was playing for Yamaha and had his MIDI bass setup running through a boomerang and he was playing some AWESOME jazz - I can't wait to hear what he comes up with in the way of a solo album... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 08:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22775; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B3F2B73.5CD697FB@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:53:55 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Andre's EDP Undo trick References: <3B3E4524.9BAE1C71@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some more on this beautiful bug http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00219.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00209.html an it will remain there .... Claude > Chris Chovit wrote: > > > >and liberal use of the top-secret > > >remultiply+undo "bug" maneuver (aka "The Sylmar Shuffle"). > > > > Could you elaborate on this? I must have missed it when it was discussed > > previously....or maybe it is really top-secret..... > > Shucks, man, that's my whole routine right there! So much for my career... > > Remultiply a loop, and then hit "undo." It scrolls through the memory > of different sections of the loop in intriguing and unpredictable > ways. I stumbled across it with another EDP user by accident, but I > know at least one other person had found out about it on his own... > > There was a thread on this a couple of years back. Apparently it's > technically a bug, according to Kim, but it's such a cool feature that > many of us asked that it not be "fixed" in the next software edition. > > So now my trade secret is out. Time to for me to retire, I guess! :-/ > > --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 09:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26846; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c1022f$b16ccaa0$301028d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: , References: Subject: Re: Loop Feste Decompression - question for Andre Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, retiring is not the same as Dying!! I can think of worse places to be than Sam Gimigniano too. Sienna is great too - any other Italian towns? My fave is San Gemini where I rcorded my wife walking down a narrow street, bangles jangling and doves alighting from the roofs... ah, now I'm getting nostalgic. Gareth > Yes, lovely place, been there. But my all-time favorite place to die in is > Siena, no question. > > | > > | ...out of curiosity, how did you think of San Gimigniano? I > | lived near there > | for a while and couldn't think of a better place to retire, play music, > | enjoy more than just the olives... > | > | Roberto > | > | P.S. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 09:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27291; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013001c10231$ebe08ee0$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: Call for NYC Loopfeste Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012D_01C10210.647B0280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C10210.647B0280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for NYC LoopfesteI'd like to be part of an event like this. David Beardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 But more importantly, why don't we NYC loopers=20 get together and do an evening to share our work with each other? Any = interest?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C10210.647B0280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for NYC Loopfeste
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------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C10210.647B0280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 10:11:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29846; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:06:56 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Feste Decompression - question for Andre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <643LM.A.4QH.o8yP7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com roberto@nomade.worldonline.co.uk writes: >...out of curiosity, how did you think of San Gimigniano? just popped into my head; seems like a wonderful place to live..... >I lived near >there >for a while and couldn't think of a better place to retire, play music, >enjoy more than just the olives... yeah..... >Andre's CD is really worth listening to. i know! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 10:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30945; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66.10f758dc.28708e87@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:32:39 EDT Subject: chet atkins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.10f758dc.28708e87_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_66.10f758dc.28708e87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit way back in the long ago when *first* asked who i would want to spent time with on a deserted island, without thought i replied CHET ATKINS....r.i.p. chet and thanks!.....:(m --part1_66.10f758dc.28708e87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit way back in the long ago when *first* asked who i would want to spent time
with on a deserted island, without thought i replied CHET ATKINS....r.i.p.
chet and thanks!.....:(m --part1_66.10f758dc.28708e87_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 11:08:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00796; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:07:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B3F6548.E3ABD644@home.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:00:40 -0700 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6CF1045DF7054B98FA3158D5" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CF1045DF7054B98FA3158D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pot type certainly depends on the maker. Just substitute an audio taper dual-ganged pot if you have questions about it, or better yet, call the manufacturer and get the details. two cents Will Brake Soul Fruit SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > > >amp (just got a new Fender Hot Rod DeVille!). Any advice on how to route > > >the signal?? > > > > One hardware hack might be to rewire a stereo volume pedal so that > > instead of the dual-gang pot fading both channels up and down > > together, they cross-fade the two signals. > > -- > the vol ped idea wouldn't work well (log pots) > > sounds like you need to wire a DPDT (=double throw double pole) > switch to select guitar I/P at the same time as shorting out the > I/P to the amp system that you aren't using with that guitar. --------------6CF1045DF7054B98FA3158D5 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;cell:248-763-1103 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:http://www.soul-fruit.com fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------6CF1045DF7054B98FA3158D5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 12:28:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05432; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:26:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:26:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013001c10231$ebe08ee0$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> References: <013001c10231$ebe08ee0$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:25:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Call for NYC Loopfeste Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4FfWw.A.rUB.680P7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'd like to be part of an event like this. I'd always be up for a show. But I ain't sure I wanna organize it! that caveat aside: there are several spaces that might let us do it. Chashama on 42nd St is proving to be a good venue for "this sort of thing". Unity Gain is going up there on July 17/18 (with at least two list members playing, myself and David Lee Myers). However, I do not know if they have a PA permanently there... The Knitting Factory is a very civilized space and might well let us book something. I have vague contacts there and at least two other members of this list have played there also and might have better contacts. However, we'd need to book quite a long way in advance. A friend of mine, Kevin Centanni, is opening a bar/gallery called the Remote Lounge: I'm sure we could book this, he likes my work and a looper's summit is the sort of event he's looking for, but I have yet to see the space (which isn't even finished yet!) so it's a big question mark. I'm visiting it on Tuesday and I'll know much better then. that was fast .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 12:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05755; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.111.70] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 12:32:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2001 16:32:04.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CE6D900:01C1024B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com However, knowing that the Repeater will have an >output for each loop channel (4) it makes it all moot. I could use one >channel for >bass, two channels for stereo guitar, and one for synth, each finding their >own custom >preamp/amp/cab destination. Sweet? Boy howdy! > >Mark > > The funny thing is, I got into looping to make my life easier as a solo player. When I only played in bands, I could get all my gear to a gig in a small station wagon with room to spare, I also thought 3 pedals was excessive. N _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:29:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10898; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:26:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:26:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Steve Lawson" To: Subject: RE: Loop Feste Decompression - question for Andre Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:33:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Yes, lovely place, been there. But my all-time favorite place to die in is Siena, no question.<<< Do you make a habit of dying in new places just to expand your comparison list?? Death marks out of 10 for Los Angeles?? :o) what are you 10 favourite places that you've died? Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:31:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11293; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:30:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:30:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4006B1.8E400216@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:29:22 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA! Since I've been doing the looping thing, it seems as if I travel with a band's worth of gear. Usually that means moving it all myself and doing all the set up myself too. Usually load in and set up take 45 min to an hour. I should've become a harmonica player. Mark Nick Schillace wrote: > However, knowing that the Repeater will have an > >output for each loop channel (4) it makes it all moot. I could use one > >channel for > >bass, two channels for stereo guitar, and one for synth, each finding their > >own custom > >preamp/amp/cab destination. Sweet? Boy howdy! > > > >Mark > > > > > The funny thing is, I got into looping to make my life easier as a solo > player. When I only played in bands, I could get all my gear to a gig in a > small station wagon with room to spare, I also thought 3 pedals was > excessive. > N > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 16:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25406; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:07:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200107012006.NAA13142@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:05:38 -0700 Subject: Re: chet atkins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3076837538_44621_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3076837538_44621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yeah~r i p~ chester,a wonderful musician and for loop content he used a ! stanner ---------- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: chet atkins Date: Sun, Jul 1, 2001, 7:32 AM way back in the long ago when *first* asked who i would want to spent time with on a deserted island, without thought i replied CHET ATKINS....r.i.p. chet and thanks!.....:(m --MS_Mac_OE_3076837538_44621_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: chet atkins yeah~r i p~ chester,a wonderful musician and for loop content he used a <= ;jamman>!

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From: Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: chet atkins
Date: Sun, Jul 1, 2001, 7:32 AM


way back in the long ago when *first* asked who = i would want to spent time
with on a deserted island, without thought i replied CHET ATKINS....r.i.p. =
chet and thanks!.....:(m
--MS_Mac_OE_3076837538_44621_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 16:51:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30625; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:50:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Call for NYC Loopfeste From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013001c10231$ebe08ee0$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might be interested in participating, particularly if we can put it together after Labor Day; July is pretty full and I may be away in August. David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, Kim's West, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, CDeMusic/Electronic Music Foundation, Deep Listening Catalog, Crouton Music, Recommended (UK), Staalplaat (Netherlands), and Metamkine (France). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 17:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03855; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:38:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:38:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B3F43F9.D1A18D4B@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:38:34 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - Black CD-R's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy all - i've been seeing lotsa black cd-r's coming my way of late; any of y'all done the research to see what sort o' quality/longevity/whatever on these? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 19:35:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19910; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-248.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.248] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010702012623.0079b940@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 01:26:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Junkie G Subject: OT: cd artwork In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:06 a.m. 01/07/01 EDT, you wrote: hi there ! i'm looking for somebody to do the artwork for our next CD. of course, we want to pay for that work. ! if you are interested, please send us an e-mail to: tapeadores@drgnet.com with the subject CD ARTWORK and , please, include a web location where we could check out some of your actual work. we will contact you in some days ... thanks ! yours, Junkie G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 19:59:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20630; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:58:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:57:29 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: tiktok @ CoffeeMessiah 7/3 8PM From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA20591 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cognitive Dissidents Experimental Music every Tuesday at the Coffee Messiah (1554 E. Olive Way, Capitol Hill, Seattle WA) All shows at 8:00pm, all ages, and free This Tuesday July 3rd Greg Sinibaldi, Tiktok Tiktok is the music of Travis Hartnett. He performs his own beautiful style of soothing guitar ambience in one, two or four channels. Travis also plays in the improvisatory quartet Electrochakra and the Steve Ball Roadshow. Saxophonist and bass clarinetist Greg Sinibaldi is an improviser and composer currently living in Seattle. He has performed to critical acclaim in Boston, San Francisco, and Seattle.  Blending modern classical music and improvisation, he has developed a unique and personal style. In a performance at the Festival at Sandpoint, working with Gunther Schuller, the Spokane Chronicle writes “If Tipper Gore could hear this guy play, she’d blush and slap a Parents Music Resource Center warning label on his horn”.  *** Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok -- http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 20:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22532; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: GIG Alert: Asheville NC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B3F43F9.D1A18D4B@pseudobuddha.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this upcoming friday i will be performing a waterphone/guitar loop duet at vincet's ear in asheville nc- lots of drone and dissonance christopher white come up and say hi i will be the guy with the beanie and waterphone it will be recorded live to multitrack as well thanks c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 20:56:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25285; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.98.122] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:53:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 00:53:37.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC19080:01C10291] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

I use the Black Memorex and The Multi-Colored PNY (50 pack, with red, blue, yello, black, purple). The Black Memorex seem to be REALLY good, and they seem to be of better quality than the normal CD-R's. The Audio seem more richer, and they seem to be more durable. (Playstation Games have been burnt on this medium for years, so I think they are durable).

Well whatever you do, don't buy Kingston 50 pack for 8.99 from MicroCenter... they suck big. Out of 50, mayber 20 burnt properly, whereas the rest had data errors on them.


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 22:57:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00904; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:47:34 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: > I use the Black Memorex and The Multi-Colored PNY (50 pack, with red, > blue, yello, black, purple). The Black Memorex seem to be REALLY good, > and they seem to be of better quality than the normal CD-R's. The Audio > seem more richer The black material adds that black vinyl warmth to the cold bits that's been missing from normal CDs all of these years? -Adam (tongue firmly residing within cheek) ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ http://mp3.com/darkaether/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 23:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03978; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010702032107.17645.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.P. Stemwedel" Subject: my, aren't we rude? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had tried to sign up for this list a while back while I was visiting with my in-laws and because of some vagary of some mix up with their on-line service and my confusion with it, they got signed up on this list and got a ream of emails that were meaningless to them. When they asked how to get off of this list, they received insulting and demeaning responses, and not a single helpful response. This is childish and pathetic. I have unsubscribed them since finding out about this, and I have only temporarily subscribed to this list to tell you sorry lot that I want nothing to do with such a cretinous bunch. If this is the kind of community the internet fosters, god bless the luddites. Enjoy your megalomania without me, thank you. jp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 23:51:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05517; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:50:38 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: my, aren't we rude? In-reply-to: <20010702032107.17645.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <20010701205040-r01010600-9acf3d06@66.120.47.138> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 1/7/01 at 20:21, fission_hole@yahoo.com (J.P. Stemwedel) wrote: > I had tried to sign up for this list a while back > while I was visiting with my in-laws and because of > some vagary of some mix up with their on-line service > and my confusion with it, they got signed up on this > list and got a ream of emails that were meaningless to > them. When they asked how to get off of this list, > they received insulting and demeaning responses, and > not a single helpful response. This is childish and > pathetic. etc.etc. etc. "fission hole"? "J.P. Stemwedel"? "accidently" sets up his inlaws for the unsubscribe barbecue? That old trick. How stupid do you think we all are? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 00:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07034; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010702040246.90368.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: my, aren't we rude? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010701205040-r01010600-9acf3d06@66.120.47.138> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To make restitution, I vote that we send Mr. Stemwedel an Againinator (beta version) & subscribe his in-laws to "Analogue Heaven". John --- Andrew Pask wrote: > On 1/7/01 at 20:21, fission_hole@yahoo.com (J.P. > Stemwedel) wrote: > > > I had tried to sign up for this list a while back > > while I was visiting with my in-laws and because > of > > some vagary of some mix up with their on-line > service > > and my confusion with it, they got signed up on > this > > list and got a ream of emails that were > meaningless to > > them. When they asked how to get off of this > list, > > they received insulting and demeaning responses, > and > > not a single helpful response. This is childish > and > > pathetic. etc.etc. etc. > > "fission hole"? > > "J.P. Stemwedel"? > > "accidently" sets up his inlaws for the unsubscribe > barbecue? > > That old trick. > > How stupid do you think we all are? > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 00:14:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07624; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:13:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:13:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Againinator Thread Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010702040246.90368.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7iNJs.A.v2B.LT_P7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all "respect" given to the upcoming (I will bet cash money) release of the Repeater, I have to say that the Againinator thread is totally hilarious! Can somebody collect all the posts and put up a page on the web site? I am serious--this stuff is paralyzingly funny. I did a search from the web page but it eliminates posts over ten lines and won't give me HTML. Anybody? Thanks for all the info and entertainment. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 00:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08914; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:39:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:39:12 -0400 Subject: re multiple amps/signals & electrix levels From: Paul Sullivan To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i've been coming up against the same hurdle here... I am building a >pedalboard with the boomerang as my looper along with some other effects. >I >have an acoustic guitar and also an electric. I want to have both guitars >plugged into the rig at the same time, but of course have the ability to >switch from one to the other when I want, so that I can loop both guitars. >My only problem is that when I'm playing the acoustic I want the signal to >go to the PA, but when I'm playing electric, I want the signal to run to my >amp (just got a new Fender Hot Rod DeVille!). Any advice on how to route >the signal?? Probably just going to use an A/B switch for the inputs, but >I'm not yet sure how to handle the output, unless I just use a 2nd A/B >switch. But then that could be awkward, I think, to have to hit two >different switches to change guitars. Not sure. > >The 2nd hurdle is that I'm thinking I'd have to use two different loopers >in >order to loop the acoustic guitar and have it continue to run through the >PA >if I wanted to use both instruments in the same song. Any other ideas? Mike- I figured that this would be a common theme with different problems. I think they both center around using the boomerang in 2 different, but like situations. I have been running a small pedal board that splits my signal before the rang but after effects. I use an a/b to control the signals which only differ by the rang. The looped signal goes to an old super reverb, and the other to a newer concert. I have a volume pedal that I turn down when I plug and uplug guitars. My problem is that the electrix products I just got really need to go through an effects loop, which only the concert has. I know it seems logical to just loop on the concert, but loops sound better out of the super. Anyway, I think that there is a rather complex way to route using many cables and the aux on the rang, but it makes my head hurt just thinking about it. I would imagine that there are good switching systems out there that some loopers might know about. Boss makes a good and very flexible line selecter for a hundred bucks that can also power other pedals. This might help you with your problem. I checked it out on rolandus.com yesterday. N Somewhat along these lines, I've been trying to find a way to bypass my effects loop (in a Carvin Nomad) for a (quieter) straight guitar-into-amp sound when not using effects. An A/B box doesn't work, because interrupting the chain between effects send and effects return kills all sound coming out of the amp. Little Laneili makes a loop switcher that sounds like it might do the trick--anyone know if this would work? Also, as far as Electrix gear, I'm having a hard time getting enough level to properly drive my new Filter Factory (even when in the effects loop). The input and output lights only occasionally flicker slightly, and although I can get some effected sounds, other functions such as the envelope follower don't seem to be getting enough signal to function. Anybody else experience this? Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 01:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12746; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:09:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:05:00 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Squarepusher Public Service Announcement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c102b4$8c4ed530$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010702040246.90368.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to inform the list that got me hooked on Squarepusher several years ago that it looks like he is doing a rare US/Canadian tour ... it will be great to see how he pulls off these shows! Tue 08/07/01 Vancouver, BC Sonar Wed 08/08/01 Seattle, WA Showbox Thu 08/09/01 Portland, OR B Complex Fri 08/10/01 Oakland, CA Club Indigo Sat 08/11/01 San Francisco, CA Bimbo's 365 Club Sun 08/12/01 Los Angeles, CA El Rey Theatre Tue 08/14/01 Denver, CO Bluebird Theater Wed 08/15/01 Lawrence, KS Granada Theatre Thu 08/16/01 Minneapolis, MN First Avenue Fri 08/17/01 Chicago, IL Metro Sat 08/18/01 Detroit, MI St. Andrews Hall Mon 08/20/01 Columbus, OH Wexner Center Tue 08/21/01 Toronto, ON Phoenix Concert Theatre Thu 08/23/01 New York, NY Irving Plaza Fri 08/24/01 New York, NY Irving Plaza Sat 08/25/01 Boston, MA Paradise Rock Club Mon 08/27/01 Philadelphia, PA The Trocadero Tue 08/28/01 Washington, DC 9:30 Club Wed 08/29/01 Atlanta, GA Echo Lounge Thu 08/30/01 Orlando, FL Sapphire Supper Club From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 01:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13507; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 22:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakk Spratt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bitter here Reply-To: icuguy@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [208.59.97.52] Message-Id: <20010702052130.BD1513ECE@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3bo0-B.A.5SD.cTAQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Little bitter here?????? --- "J.P. Stemwedel" > wrote: >I had tried to sign up for this list a while back >while I was visiting with my in-laws and because of >some vagary of some mix up with their on-line service >and my confusion with it, they got signed up on this >list and got a ream of emails that were meaningless to >them. When they asked how to get off of this list, >they received insulting and demeaning responses, and >not a single helpful response. This is childish and >pathetic. I have unsubscribed them since finding out >about this, and I have only temporarily subscribed to >this list to tell you sorry lot that I want nothing to >do with such a cretinous bunch. If this is the kind >of community the internet fosters, god bless the >luddites. Enjoy your megalomania without me, thank >you. > >jp > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _____________________________________________________________ For the largest selection of Birkenstock shoes, sandals, clogs, and boots online please visit http://www.birkenstockexpress.com/Tracking/psave/psave_b.cfm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 01:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15784; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c102b8$b29790c0$c8456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: Subject: electrix levels Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:34:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.200 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Also, as far as Electrix gear, I'm having a hard time getting enough level > to properly drive my new Filter Factory *** Me too, precisely the same problem. petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 01:49:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16559; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.98.122] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: clifsound@mediaone.net Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 05:47:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 05:47:40.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[81A28950:01C102BA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Really, the bass sounds richer, the highs are clearer, I have noticed a better overall sound with the Black CD-R's. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe those CD's are just manufactured better ?

The audio sounds richer? Really? Sounds like psychoacoustics or something to me... :) Om

I use the Black Memorex and The Multi-Colored PNY (50 pack, with red, blue, yello, black, purple). The Black Memorex seem to be REALLY good, and they seem to be of better quality than the normal CD-R's. The Audio seem more richer, and they seem to be more durable. (Playstation Games have been burnt on this medium for years, so I think they are durable).

Well whatever you do, don't buy Kingston 50 pack for 8.99 from MicroCenter... they suck big. Out of 50, mayber 20 burnt properly, whereas the rest had data errors on them.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 03:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25405; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 03:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20010702040246.90368.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:41:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Againinator Thread Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA25377 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >With all "respect" given to the upcoming (I will bet cash money) release of >the Repeater, I have to say that the Againinator thread is totally >hilarious! Can somebody collect all the posts and put up a page on the web >site? I am serious--this stuff is paralyzingly funny. I did a search from >the web page but it eliminates posts over ten lines and won't give me HTML. >Anybody? >Thanks for all the info and entertainment. >Gary If someone wants to put together an LD web page for it, I'd be happy to add it to the LD "tools of the trade" pages. Maybe a few of you Againinator users could send in a review? And Gern, Electros should put out a press release for this exciting soon-to-be product. You really need to tell the world about it. I can put that up on Looper's Delight as well. Maybe you can get it on Harmony Central. Then all the Againinator users can submit comments on it for the harmony-central effects database! That should really help the back-ordering pick up! BTW, this search should bring you all the againinator posts: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=againinator&errors=0&maxfiles=500&maxlines=5&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 05:59:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00786; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010702095613.16458.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 02:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: some more "really deep" Againinator questions... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Gern, I would like to use the Againinator's "HUMMINIZER" TM feature to emulate the really bitching part of "Freebird". I'm a little weak on my music theory. What "HUMMINIZER" TM setting would work best for this? a) modal b) comodal c) yodel d) Phriggian e) Nickolodian I'm also intrigued by the Againinator's patent pending "WHACK" process. Should I set this to on or off? John PS- Thank you for your concern & no, the cat hasn't come home yet. JT ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 06:12:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02612; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:11:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:11:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4063C6.BD08A3A5@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:06:30 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: againinator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CAN SOMEONE LINK ME TO SERIAL NUMBER OR THE PROGGIE I'M POOR BUT I WANT TO MAKE LOOPIC TRANCE PINKFLIP PS I CAN TRADE WITH B SELLONS JM UPGRADE, VINTAGE EBOW ... PLEASE NO "YOU SHOULD BY IT" CRAP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 06:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04032; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:45:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:45:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B40510D.AED1D265@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 06:46:37 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More on EDP "multiply" bugs References: <200107020517.BAA13284@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're on the subject of what might-or-might-not be a bug. There's a multiply "feature" that I consider a bug, and which I find a problem. If I hit "undo" while "multiply" is on, the loop is reset - everything is fine. If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I want. I know that I can "trim" the loop back to a single cycle, but that's extra (and annoying) work. Anyone else consider this to be a shortcoming? Elby > > Chris Chovit wrote: > > > > > >and liberal use of the top-secret > > > >remultiply+undo "bug" maneuver (aka "The Sylmar Shuffle"). > > > > > > Could you elaborate on this? I must have missed it when it was > discussed > > > previously....or maybe it is really top-secret..... > > > > Shucks, man, that's my whole routine right there! So much for my > career... > > > > Remultiply a loop, and then hit "undo." It scrolls through the > memory > > of different sections of the loop in intriguing and unpredictable > > ways. I stumbled across it with another EDP user by accident, but I > > know at least one other person had found out about it on his own... > > > > There was a thread on this a couple of years back. Apparently it's > > technically a bug, according to Kim, but it's such a cool feature > that > > many of us asked that it not be "fixed" in the next software > edition. > > > > So now my trade secret is out. Time to for me to retire, I guess! > :-/ > > > > --A > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 07:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04436; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.40.164.194] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: "Loop" Subject: 'gainator in quad ? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:46:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 10:50:13.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5874460:01C102E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using my 4 Againinators in quad ! Does anyone else do this ? Is it TRUE quad? If I loop Tubular Bells it sounds awesome, so I'm guessing it's true quad - anyone know different ? I'm plugging straight from the Rich into a modded dimmer switch connected to an early black face. From the blackie the signal is split to go though the cable TV wall socket ( a trick Kaiser uses for his cut-ups, I heard ) then an early Koss sweep notch filter wah ( the '78 model missing the sweep filter notch wah - so I'm guessing it's just a box with two jacks.. ) ( Bob Bradshaw ain't nothing on this one ) From there the signal goes into the Sump filter Reverb-oil, then lastly to a rented 32 channel desk Stones mobile truck recording ( now with modded Aux sends modded to PRE send ) and finally out to the 4 'ginators, returned to the, to the. gotta go guys, somethings burning somewhere ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 07:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06976; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:27:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010702112656.8674.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 04:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: againinator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B4063C6.BD08A3A5@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SELLONS A HACK!!! OUT LIKE FLINT!!! AGAININATOR ROOOLZZZZ!!!!!!!! --- Claude Voit wrote: > CAN SOMEONE LINK ME TO SERIAL NUMBER OR THE PROGGIE > I'M POOR BUT I WANT > TO MAKE LOOPIC TRANCE > > PINKFLIP > > PS I CAN TRADE WITH B SELLONS JM UPGRADE, VINTAGE > EBOW ... > > PLEASE NO "YOU SHOULD BY IT" CRAP > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 08:02:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08748; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:01:23 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107020517.BAA13284@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3076905683_94139_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <1iEu1C.A.WIC.2IGQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3076905683_94139_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Chashama on 42nd St is proving to be a good venue for "this sort of thing". Unity Gain is going up there on July 17/18 (with at least two list members playing, myself and David Lee Myers). However, I do not know if they have a PA permanently there... Both places sound promising -- I'd like to come on the 17/18, let us know. The Knitting Factory is a very civilized space and might well let us book something. I have vague contacts there So do I, but you have to book months in advance. A friend of mine, Kevin Centanni, is opening a bar/gallery called the Remote Lounge: Let us know after Tuesday. I'd be willing to do some work to get this together; it would be great if I could split the work with one or two others, though. Don't think it would be so hard -- I see this as more a chance for us NYC loopers to get to know each other in a comfortable space than a show we need to promote to get a big audience. --MS_Mac_OE_3076905683_94139_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC loopfest
Chashama on 42nd St is pro= ving to be a good venue for
"this sort of thing".  Unity Gain is going up there on
July 17/18 (with at least two list members playing, myself
and David Lee Myers).  However, I do not know if they have a PA
permanently there...
Both places sound promising -- I'd like to com= e on the 17/18, let us know.


The Knitting Factory is a very civilized space and mi= ght well
let us book something.  I have vague contacts there

       So do I, but you have to = book months in advance.

A friend of mine, Kevin Centanni, is opening a bar/gallery
called the Remote Lounge:  <http://www.remotelounge.com/>=

      Let us know after Tuesday.

I'd be willing to do some work to get this together; it would be great if I= could split the work with one or two others, though.  Don't think it w= ould be so hard -- I see this as more a chance for us NYC loopers to get to = know each other in a comfortable space than a show we need to promote to get= a big audience. --MS_Mac_OE_3076905683_94139_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 09:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13407; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:05:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:05:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:05:19 -0500 Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics From: Mike Feeney To: , , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3076905919_35396" Resent-Message-ID: <8v8QyD.A.FRD.RGHQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3076905919_35396 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Since we=B9re dealing with a digital medium, I=B9d really doubt that the sound quality would be affected, but since I never finished that degree in physic= s and acoustics, I won=B9t claim to know. =3D) Mike on 7/2/01 12.47 AM, Devious D_MasterMixer at dj_devious_d@hotmail.com wrote= : > Really, the bass sounds richer, the highs are clearer, I have noticed a b= etter > overall sound with the Black CD-R's. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe those = CD's > are just manufactured better ? >=20 >=20 > The audio sounds richer? Really? Sounds like psychoacoustics or something= to > me... :) Om=20 >=20 >=20 > I use the Black Memorex and The Multi-Colored PNY (50 pack, with red, blu= e, > yello, black, purple). The Black Memorex seem to be REALLY good, and they= seem > to be of better quality than the normal CD-R's. The Audio seem more riche= r, > and they seem to be more durable. (Playstation Games have been burnt on t= his > medium for years, so I think they are durable). >=20 > Well whatever you do, don't buy Kingston 50 pack for 8.99 from MicroCente= r... > they suck big. Out of 50, mayber 20 burnt properly, whereas the rest had = data > errors on them.=20 > Lucien E. Darthard > A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. > Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504 > http://go.to/ldarthard/ >=20 >=20 > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >=20 >=20 --B_3076905919_35396 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics
Since we’re dealing with a digital medium, I’d really doubt tha= t the sound quality would be affected, but since I never finished that degre= e in physics and acoustics, I won’t claim to know.  =3D)

Mike


on 7/2/01 12.47 AM, Devious D_MasterMixer at dj_devious_d@hotmail.com wrote= :

Really, the bass sounds richer, the h= ighs are clearer, I have noticed a better overall sound with the Black CD-R'= s. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe those CD's are just manufactured better ?
The audio sounds richer? Really? Sou= nds like psychoacoustics or something to me... :) Om

I use the Black Memorex and The Mult= i-Colored PNY (50 pack, with red, blue, yello, black, purple). The Black Mem= orex seem to be REALLY good, and they seem to be of better quality than the = normal CD-R's. The Audio seem more richer, and they seem to be more durable.= (Playstation Games have been burnt on this medium for years, so I think the= y are durable).

Well whatever you do, don't buy Kingston 50 pack for 8.99 from MicroCenter.= .. they suck big. Out of 50, mayber 20 burnt properly, whereas the rest had = data errors on them.=20

Lucien E. Darthard
A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It.
Cell Phone 1-773-578-3504
http://go.to/ldarthard/=20


Get your FREE download of MSN Explor= er at http://explorer.msn.com


 --B_3076905919_35396-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 09:46:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15131; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:44:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:44:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:44:36 +0100 Subject: Re: some more "really deep" Againinator questions... From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010702095613.16458.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4gcPrB.A.irD.9pHQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to field this one. You may have noticed the HUMMINIZER feature on the beta Againinator, however at this time we cannot provide technical support for this exciting new feature as we have yet to fully implement it into the unit (or in fact write any code for it) As for the exciting new WHACK feature, this is due to be added sometime in late August (2010) and is sure to revolutionise the way you work (when we figure out what it's going to do) I would leave both features on as the buttons look totally cool. May we just state that looping any classic rock in the Againinator can be hazardous to your health and may void your warranty. This unit is designed for slammin' beats y'all. Word. Martin Shellard > From: John Tidwell > Dear Gern, > > I would like to use the Againinator's "HUMMINIZER" TM > feature to emulate the really bitching part of > "Freebird". I'm a little weak on my music theory. > What "HUMMINIZER" TM setting would work best for > this? > > a) modal > > b) comodal > > c) yodel > > d) Phriggian > > e) Nickolodian > > I'm also intrigued by the Againinator's patent pending > "WHACK" process. Should I set this to on or off? > > John > > > PS- > > Thank you for your concern & no, the cat hasn't come > home yet. > > JT > > > ===== > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 09:51:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15550; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <16.eb7d06d.2871d57e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:47:42 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8LLidC.A._xD.huHQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what about tonic? bleep, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:01:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17652; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:00:10 -0400 Subject: Againinator Image From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestions, Kim. Sound On Sound Magazine often "spotlights" this sort of product, and it would be a blast to see it on Harmony Central! Being both a gearhead and Photoshop pro, I'll offer to create an Againinator image (you didn't think that Repeater we've been looking at for a year was a photo, did you?). Listmembers should post their suggestions for physical characteristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth. Subject to the whim of the artiste, natch. I'm leaning toward a 6U half-rack or maybe a purple pod... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, Kim's West, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, CDeMusic/Electronic Music Foundation, Deep Listening Catalog, Crouton Music, Recommended (UK), Staalplaat (Netherlands), and Metamkine (France). on 7/2/01 3:41 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> With all "respect" given to the upcoming (I will bet cash money) release of >> the Repeater, I have to say that the Againinator thread is totally >> hilarious! Can somebody collect all the posts and put up a page on the web >> site? I am serious--this stuff is paralyzingly funny. I did a search from >> the web page but it eliminates posts over ten lines and won't give me HTML. >> Anybody? >> Thanks for all the info and entertainment. >> Gary > > If someone wants to put together an LD web page for it, I'd be happy to add it > to the LD "tools of the trade" pages. Maybe a few of you Againinator users > could send in a review? > > And Gern, Electros should put out a press release for this exciting soon-to-be > product. You really need to tell the world about it. I can put that up on > Looper's Delight as well. Maybe you can get it on Harmony Central. Then all > the Againinator users can submit comments on it for the harmony-central > effects database! That should really help the back-ordering pick up! > > BTW, this search should bring you all the againinator posts: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=againinat > or&errors=0&maxfiles=500&maxlines=5&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.c > gifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles > > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:02:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17896; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:01:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:01:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:01:59 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16.eb7d06d.2871d57e@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/2/01 9:47 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > what about tonic? > bleep, > dt / s-c > what about setting it up, dt? bleep bleep DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18544; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:12:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.179c37a7.2871db0d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:11:25 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: >what about setting it up, dt? well, uhhh..... lemme think about it; like you, i'm pretty amazingly busy, through september..... irresponsibly shunting, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:17:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18802; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010702091649.00d923a8@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:16:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Sort-of off-topic: Zoom RFX-300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any experience with the Zoom RFX-300, a pedal-sized reverb/multi-effects processor? I'm wondering if it would be a suitable product for portable "carry-in-your-instrument-case" recording, such as: bass guitar===>Sans Amp Bass DI===>Looper===>Zoom RFX 300===>Walkman minidisc In other words, do the reverb settings sound good, and is the unit noise-free? Thanks for your help. Best, Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Associate Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu Web page: http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19428; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: : GIG Alert: Asheville NC/NYC gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com btw the name is magi*cicada :) i am also playing a gig in nyc with a few people over in willimasburg for a new media organization date for that show is july 12th here is a sample of my last live gig www.magicicada.com/liveperformace.mp3 live loops as well with tiffany meyers on soaring vocals see ya guys later love c.white On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:16:05 -0400 "Christopher White" wrote: > this upcoming friday i will be performing a > waterphone/guitar loop duet at vincet's ear in asheville > nc- > > lots of drone and dissonance > christopher white > come up and say hi > i will be the guy with the beanie and waterphone > it will be recorded live to multitrack as well > thanks > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:36:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19973; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c10304$f1e8c180$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loopfest Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:40:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers > on 7/2/01 9:47 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com at Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > > what about tonic? > > bleep, > > dt / s-c > > > > what about setting it up, dt? > bleep bleep > > DLM I've found difficult to get a gig at Tonic. They want to be sure you can pack the place. David Beardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 10:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20973; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200107021457.KAA25627@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: : GIG Alert: Asheville NC/NYC gig X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i am also playing a gig in nyc with a few people over in > willimasburg for a new media organization don't forget to put your NYC gigs on the extreme NY calendar, , to submit... (the extreme NY radio station will also be restarting quite soon... spent a lot of the weekend on the redesign, not done, need to stop sleeping I think...) /t -- perhaps man is water's way of getting from one place to another? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 11:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23084; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:23:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B40510D.AED1D265@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More on EDP "multiply" bugs While we're on the subject of what might-or-might-not be a bug. There's a multiply "feature" that I consider a bug, and which I find a problem. If I hit "undo" while "multiply" is on, the loop is reset - everything is fine. If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I want. I know that I can "trim" the loop back to a single cycle, but that's extra (and annoying) work. Anyone else consider this to be a shortcoming? Elby As I understand it, this is the feature under discussion. Der Sylmar Shuffle, jah. Perhaps there will be some other option in the upcoming upgrade? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 11:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23878; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:38:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:35:08 -0700 Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107021525.LAA23320@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3076907708_547983_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3076907708_547983_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've found the best results using the black CD-R's and then marking the outer and inner edge of the disc with a green marker. TH ******* From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics Really, the bass sounds richer, the highs are clearer, I have noticed a better overall sound with the Black CD-R's. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe those CD's are just manufactured better ? --MS_Mac_OE_3076907708_547983_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics
I've found the best results using the black CD-R's and then mar= king the outer and inner edge of the disc with a green marker.  

TH

*******
From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" <dj_devious_d@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics

Really, the bass sounds richer, the highs are clearer, I have noticed a bet= ter overall sound with the Black CD-R's. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe those= CD's are just manufactured better ?

--MS_Mac_OE_3076907708_547983_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 11:39:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23883; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:38:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:38:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4095A2.B54DA64E@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:39:14 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: againinator References: <200107021525.LAA23322@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd go for the 24U 1/8 rack configuration, with optional chain-saw. Would take the joys of studio configuration to new heights of delight :) Wait ... what about a 19" configuration designed to be mounted vertically, but can be mounted horizontally ... as long as you don't mind bending your head 90 degrees to read the labels Elby Subject: Againinator Image Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:00:10 -0400 From: David Myers To: I'm leaning toward a 6U half-rack or maybe a purple pod... David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:22:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26589; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4147D9.248134E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:19:37 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator Thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll make an againinator web site! Mark Gary Lehmann wrote: > With all "respect" given to the upcoming (I will bet cash money) release of > the Repeater, I have to say that the Againinator thread is totally > hilarious! Can somebody collect all the posts and put up a page on the web > site? I am serious--this stuff is paralyzingly funny. I did a search from > the web page but it eliminates posts over ten lines and won't give me HTML. > Anybody? > Thanks for all the info and entertainment. > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:31:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27068; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:29:30 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012b01c10314$2ba4bb90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're only marking the edges? you gotta cover the whole business side of the disk with that magic green marker. this allows the laser beam to fully absorb each bit giving purest tone and also to refract the beam allowing extra read-ahead and buffering. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics > I've found the best results using the black CD-R's and then marking the > outer and inner edge of the disc with a green marker. > > TH > > ******* > From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" > Subject: Re: OT - Black CD-R's Or Psychoacoustics > > Really, the bass sounds richer, the highs are clearer, I have noticed a > better overall sound with the Black CD-R's. Maybe, it's just me, or maybe > those CD's are just manufactured better ? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 13:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29490; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702101411.01f552d8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:14:14 -0700 To: From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: electrix levels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7SCtNC.A.eMH.qvKQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com petr (10:34 PM 07/01/01) wrote: >> Also, as far as Electrix gear, I'm having a hard time getting >> enough level to properly drive my new Filter Factory > >*** Me too, precisely the same problem. (I'm jumping into this thread late, so this may have been said already) The Electrix gear is designed to be used at line levels, not guitar levels. The best place to use the gear is in an effects send/return loop on a mixer, or a channel insert. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 13:43:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30581; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:43:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Multi-channel Againinator Looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using my 9 Againinators in a custom nono-phonic matrix system. I replaced the stock 2nd-cousin-sync ports in each unit with the custom everything-but-the-kitchen-sync ports, allowing subsample accurate sync between the units. Each unit is connected to its own Marshall double stack. The system in performance has been quite effective, audiences at the coffeehouses and daycare centers where I normally gig have been known to run screaming, in delight I presume, "OH NONO!" ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11018; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:02:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:02:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c10331$cd6650c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702101411.01f552d8@mulder.intermag.com> Subject: OT: Mo-Fx= Midi Control Surface! Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:00:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3bTytC.A.qrC.gMNQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been researching for the purchase of a control surface to aid me in the automation of volume/panning in Cubase- Every unit has severe drawbacks- Peavey, Motormix, Houston, etc... and I was still undecided- at some point it clicked that I had 3 devices with full midi implementation sitting right behind me the whole time! Connect midi out of any of the Electrix units to your DAW- (I prefer the Mo-Fx)- then set up the specifics in Reaktor, Cubase, Logic etc using Midi Learn, and the knobs/buttons can be used as controllers- I am so happy I could ..... well, you get the idea!!! Om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11626; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:13:39 -0400 Subject: Re: GIG Alert: Asheville NC/NYC gig From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107021525.LAA23322@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3076935219_67558_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3076935219_67558_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i am also playing a gig in nyc with a few people over in willimasburg for a new media organization date for that show is july 12th Where is it? What time? --MS_Mac_OE_3076935219_67558_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: GIG Alert: Asheville NC/NYC gig
i am also playing a gig in= nyc with a few people over in
willimasburg for a new media organization
date for th= at show is july 12th

Where is it?  What time?
 --MS_Mac_OE_3076935219_67558_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:15:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11894; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:13:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <45.88dfd66.28722fbe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: multiple amps/signals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Pot type certainly depends on the maker. Just substitute an audio taper > dual-ganged pot if you have questions about it, or better yet, call the > manufacturer and get the details. > apologies for being so vague, a dual log pot (audio taper) wouldn't do for cross-fading, cos you'd have to wire one pot backwards ......making it anti-log well, looking at the post I thought switching was required rather than fading but who knows? andy butler too busy looping to answer the post coherently From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11883; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <94.16406c70.28722fc0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:12:48 EDT Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting > multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply > is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I > want. Well I'd rather have the option to multiply without recording. (andy butler) unless of course you can do this and I just don't know about it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12845; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:26:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <94.16406c70.28722fc0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andy butler wrote: Well I'd rather have the option to multiply without recording. unless of course you can do this and I just don't know about it >From the archives http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200012/msg000 60.html?line=10#hilite Just so ya know: Hey-- You can record using multiply and not add new material if you are in delay mode and have the volume pedal backed down. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13146; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:28:28 EDT Subject: Re : andres bug To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's the post that started it notice relevant Subject heading http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00192.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 17:42:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17042; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B40DBE1.D2C58FF7@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:38:57 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Levels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was recording with my Filter Queen and noticed a lot of noise. I don't see how there is anyway around it. Any tips? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 17:45:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17388; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:43:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c1033f$ff90fec0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Mo-Fx as MIDI CONTROLLER! Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:43:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C10305.4F5D02E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C10305.4F5D02E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been researching for the purchase of a control surface to aid me = in the automation of volume/panning in Cubase- Every unit has severe = drawbacks- Peavey, Motormix, Houston, etc... and I was still undecided- at some = point it clicked that I had 3 devices with full midi implementation sitting = right behind me the whole time! Connect midi out of any of the Electrix units to your DAW- (I prefer the Mo-Fx)- then set up the specifics in Reaktor, Cubase, Logic etc using = Midi Learn, and the knobs/buttons can be used as controllers- I am so happy I could ..... well, you get the idea!!! Om ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C10305.4F5D02E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been researching for the = purchase of a=20 control surface to aid me in
the automation of volume/panning in = Cubase-=20 Every unit has severe drawbacks-
Peavey, Motormix, Houston, etc... = and I was=20 still undecided- at some point
it clicked that I had 3 devices with = full midi=20 implementation sitting right
behind me the whole time!

Connect = midi=20 out of any of the Electrix units to your DAW- (I prefer the
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Learn, and = the=20 knobs/buttons can be used as controllers- I am so happy I
could ..... = well,=20 you get the idea!!!

Om
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C10305.4F5D02E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 19:50:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22758; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:48:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:48:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702164809.01e3d228@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:48:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Electrix Levels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-3UvKC.A.TjF.AhQQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (01:38 PM 07/02/01) wrote: >I was recording with my Filter Queen and noticed a lot of noise. >I don't see how there is anyway around it. Any tips? What are you feeding the FQ from? In general, keeping the levels hot keeps the noise down. This is true for any effect. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 20:31:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25458; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:28:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:28:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:29:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >While we're on the subject of what might-or-might-not be a bug. There's >a multiply "feature" that I consider a bug, and which I find a problem. >If I hit "undo" while "multiply" is on, the loop is reset - everything >is fine. If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting >multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply >is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I >want. I know that I can "trim" the loop back to a single cycle, but >that's extra (and annoying) work. Anyone else consider this to be a >shortcoming? > >Elby > >As I understand it, this is the feature under discussion. Der Sylmar >Shuffle, jah. >Perhaps there will be some other option in the upcoming upgrade? >Gary I opted to allow the maximum of multiples possible. if I had to save the original loop before the multiply, you would have one less multiply allowed because of lack of memory and still would have to press the undo in the first multiple after closing multiply. If you want to undo the multiply anytime after doing it (without new overdubs, of course) you would have only half the space available, half as many multiples, more or less, I dont think that would be justified, or do you all have plenty memory left, the way you work? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 20:31:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25473; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B3F2B73.5CD697FB@vtx.ch> References: <3B3E4524.9BAE1C71@altruistmusic.com> <3B3F2B73.5CD697FB@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:29:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Andre's EDP Undo trick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Some more on this beautiful bug > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00219.html >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00209.html > >an it will remain there .... great archive work, Claude! Yes, I keep remembering that I maybe should allow Undo past a unrounded Multiply (MULTI-RECORD), too, or maybe even beyond the last Record, into some previous song? Andre's puts it nice: >The way I see it is, if I don't want anything to happen, I can just NOT PRESS UNDO! Whereas the present ideosyncrasy (it seems wrong to call it a bug, somehow) is really a very intriguing (mis)application of the EDP's unique memory allocation and editing layout, with a lot of musical possibilities. maybe some dont work as free/controlled and want some security to be able to just press a lot (more than enough) of Undos to get back to the first of the bunch (=of that lenght)? > > > >> Chris Chovit wrote: >> >> > >and liberal use of the top-secret >> > >remultiply+undo "bug" maneuver (aka "The Sylmar Shuffle"). >> > >> > Could you elaborate on this? I must have missed it when it was discussed >> > previously....or maybe it is really top-secret..... >> >> Shucks, man, that's my whole routine right there! So much for my career... >> >> Remultiply a loop, and then hit "undo." It scrolls through the memory >> of different sections of the loop in intriguing and unpredictable >> ways. I stumbled across it with another EDP user by accident, but I >> know at least one other person had found out about it on his own... >> >> There was a thread on this a couple of years back. Apparently it's >> technically a bug, according to Kim, but it's such a cool feature that >> many of us asked that it not be "fixed" in the next software edition. >> >> So now my trade secret is out. Time to for me to retire, I guess! :-/ >> >> --A -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 20:42:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26337; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:39:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4114C5.1403A968@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:41:42 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Win a Cycloops ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <87HLpB.A.ObG.2QRQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Win a Redsound Cycloops DJ looper at http://www.i-dj.co.uk EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 20:45:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26688; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702164809.01e3d228@mulder.intermag.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702164809.01e3d228@mulder.intermag.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:42:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Electrix Levels Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: >Scott Winzinger (01:38 PM 07/02/01) wrote: > > >I was recording with my Filter Queen and noticed a lot of noise. > >I don't see how there is anyway around it. Any tips? > >What are you feeding the FQ from? In general, keeping the levels hot >keeps the noise down. This is true for any effect. It's true for any piece of gear really! At each point in the chain, you'd like to have the signal as hot as you possibly can WITHOUT clipping. Now, effects units are tricky this way. The DL4 takes quite a lot of signal to get it going and not too much more to overload, for example. Typically, I end up sending the effects a really loud signal and then turning the output way down on the board... but watch our for clipping, it's particularly easy to clip if you have multiple looped tracks... Here's the recipe: Set the effect return/output level way down, then turn the effect send send/input ALL the way up and try it with something loud. You'll probably get distortion, back off until the distortion goes away, then back off some more because you'll get louder, later... Then use the effect return/output level to set your final effects level once you have a nice hot signal going through it. Voila. BTW -- if you have a mixing board you should ALWAYS have the return/output gain of your effects device set to maximum and lower the level from the board using the trim pots. You'll get dramatically less noise that way. /t that was fast .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 01:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15445; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Andre's EDP Undo trick Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:23:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B3F2B73.5CD697FB@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not much action on the list tonight, so here's a question about this phenomenon-- I have been using record or overdub to end a remultiply a lot, thus creating a new cycle. Does this "bug" manifest itself in this case? (I would check it out myself, but nothing is set up right now.) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 03:12:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19696; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 03:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 03:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:07:43 -0700 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra @ Seattle Glassblowing Studio 7/5/01 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will perform at the Seattle Glassblowing Studio (2227 5th Avenue) this Thursday July 5th at 7PM Admission is free. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 05:34:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25876; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:31:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:31:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010703093059.41274.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Dear Gern To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just attempted to perform "Smoke On The Water" on the Againinator. Could you please send a technician to this location to help me...uh..."recover" 25 feet of Monster cable? You should probably tell him to bring gloves. The Againinator is currently out of my rack & nesting underneath my mobile home in a pile of bubble-wrap & Styrofoam peanuts. I think I'll try to coax it out by playing "Stairway To Heaven" on my acoustic guitar. John PS- Could you tell the technician to stop by K-Mart & get me some flip-flops? I'm all out of shoes. JT ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 05:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26384; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c103a5$3b5b2240$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010703093059.41274.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dear Gern Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:47:52 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <690P4.A.IcG.vTZQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force. That guitar shop in Azuza with the "Songs You May Not Play On Our Guitars" sign must be decimated. You've played the top two! > I've just attempted to perform "Smoke On The Water" > on the Againinator. > > Could you please send a technician to this location > to help me...uh..."recover" 25 feet of Monster cable? > You should probably tell him to bring gloves. > > The Againinator is currently out of my rack & nesting > underneath my mobile home in a pile of bubble-wrap > & Styrofoam peanuts. I think I'll try to coax it out > by playing "Stairway To Heaven" on my acoustic guitar. > > John > > PS- > > Could you tell the technician to stop by K-Mart & > get me some flip-flops? I'm all out of shoes. > > JT > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 06:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28147; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B41BF8E.72BEC523@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:50:22 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dear Gern References: <20010703093059.41274.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > > I've just attempted to perform "Smoke On The Water" > on the Againinator. Oh I didnt hear much about it lately is it still in Gminor ? I switched to "smells like teen spirit" last year and I wouldn't come back for any reason my 0.2 cents Claude > Could you please send a technician to this location > to help me...uh..."recover" 25 feet of Monster cable? > You should probably tell him to bring gloves. > > The Againinator is currently out of my rack & nesting > underneath my mobile home in a pile of bubble-wrap > & Styrofoam peanuts. I think I'll try to coax it out > by playing "Stairway To Heaven" on my acoustic guitar. > > John > > PS- > > Could you tell the technician to stop by K-Mart & > get me some flip-flops? I'm all out of shoes. > > JT > > ===== > John Tidwell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 07:41:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29921; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:39:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Againinator Image Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:41:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c103b5$1802b8c0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, great, please create an againinator for me (so much about the wonders of misquoting ;-). An option I'd greatly appreciate would be the inclusion of the notorious "PHATNESS" button. This is a simple on-off-button that includes massive analogue-style-compression, slight distortion, expanded stereo image, a "Badewannenkurve" (+xdB at 120Hz, slight drop below) EQ and massively panned filter sweeps. Apart from the "hardware" interface including lots of pushbuttons, dials and blinking LEDs, all in bright colors, a large TFT touchscreen display should be included. This display can display any effects processor ever created (idea for software update: anything ever created) and then simulate it. As for the size debate: why not an angled rack mount, with controls on top and in the front? The controls on top could be used i.e. for the integrated mixer (with all auxes wired to PRE, and assignable crossfaders for the DJ clientele), and the front houses the large TFT screen. I don't know if anybody remembers digital storage works or if they still exist, but it would be nice if we could plug in storage works hard drives from the rear - I'd suggest to organize the storage architecture as two independent U320-SCSI RAID5-Clusters with hot swapping featuring the 170GB Seagate drives. And of course we need built-in ATM and UMTS connectivity - and a GPS receiver - and an internet connection to download software updates and messages from Looper's Delight... Ahhhm...basically I'd suggest a black housing (like Waldorf Microwave XT) in a 6mm Titanium casing. Perhaps there would even be room for some of those vacuum tube things they used in really old gear as a VU meter (an old Telefunken tape machine owned by my parents (my mother inherited it from her father) has two of them) ? I'd be glad to contribute to the againinator project by creating stupid technical descriptions and perhaps some technical drawings - and even some rave reviews from famous DJs and politicians (Al Gore: "Using the new software update for the Againinator UltraSim interface, we were even able to againinate Watergate !"). Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > Being both a gearhead and Photoshop pro, I'll offer to create > an Againinator From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 07:59:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30319; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:56:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:56:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B41B285.8D756C9A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 04:54:45 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O my peeps, > If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting > multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply > is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I > want. I know that I can "trim" the loop back to a single cycle, but > that's extra (and annoying) work. Anyone else consider this to be a > shortcoming? I personally don't consider it a shortcoming, but I think it depends upon exactly what you're trying to do. And depending on the length of the multiple/cycle, it might scarcely take any additional time... If you basically want to multiply a loop, and then instantly reduce it to a single cycle with no sound... Hmmm. Off the top of my head I'm not 100% sure how one would do that, but Insertmode=replace would be a good place to start. Multiple loops would be another strategy. This is the usual point in a thread when Kim pipes in with the brilliantly simple and obvious answer that we've all overlooked, so... Kim? > I have been using record or overdub to end a remultiply a lot, thus creating > a new cycle. Does this "bug" manifest itself in this case? (I would check > it out myself, but nothing is set up right now.) I don't THINK so, but don't quote me on it. Part of what gives the Sylmar trick it's characteristic sound is that it scrolls through the memory of different cycles, even after those cycles have been deleted. But I believe that ending a remultiply with record or overdub wipes the memory in such a way that this doesn't happen. Again, though, I'm quite possibly setting myself up for correction here... Fire away, y'all. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 08:24:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31892; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B41BACF.C91C266F@dplanet.ch> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:30:13 +0200 From: Christoph Grab Reply-To: christoph.grab@dplanet.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mofx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi i am a bit late, i know. but can i still get an electrix mofx for $99 now, and where? christoph From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 08:44:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32341; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <81.c8593b8.28731759@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:40:57 EDT Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I have been using record or overdub to end a remultiply a lot, thus creating >> a new cycle. Does this "bug" manifest itself in this case? never, here. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 09:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01784; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:13:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:14:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Dear Gern From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010703093059.41274.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DO NOT attempt "Stairway" in the vicinity of a feral Againinitor, you may try to entice it out with some phat beats but zep will only make things worse. Martin Shellard > From: John Tidwell > I've just attempted to perform "Smoke On The Water" > on the Againinator. > > Could you please send a technician to this location > to help me...uh..."recover" 25 feet of Monster cable? > You should probably tell him to bring gloves. > > The Againinator is currently out of my rack & nesting > underneath my mobile home in a pile of bubble-wrap > & Styrofoam peanuts. I think I'll try to coax it out > by playing "Stairway To Heaven" on my acoustic guitar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 09:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02307; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.40.164.194] From: "andrew_art" To: "Loop" Subject: 'plex q , jam q Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:24:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 13:28:00.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAB9A120:01C103C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is is still the case that no currently available looper/delay can slow/speed up it's output ? ( like the PCM42 and the little blue one Billy Frizz uses ) Why is this - it sounds loverly. Meanwhile, the input/output knobs on my Jamman when turned make bad noises like 'curr-thurr-crtt-thump-futt'. Any suggestions ? ( 'sell it !' ) I'm obliged, Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 10:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03864; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <39.170e4768.2873289d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:37 EDT Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <-ngCe.A.m6.A7cQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey-- > You can record using multiply and not add new material if you are in delay > mode and have the volume pedal backed down. > Gary > thanks Gary, lifesaver (haven't got to the pedals yet) andy b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 11:03:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13708; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:01:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:01:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:00:46 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Electrix Levels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002a01c103d0$f09593e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010702164809.01e3d228@mulder.intermag.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > BTW -- if you have a mixing board you should ALWAYS have the > return/output gain of your effects device set to maximum > and lower the level from the board using the trim pots. > > You'll get dramatically less noise that way. be careful, or you might clip the first stage of the return, though... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 11:20:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14276; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:17:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c103d3$47f6e470$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >, or do you all have plenty memory left, the way you work? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > NO! in fact, i have been wondering if it would be possible to modify this thing to add more memory. (of course, i could just get better and not need undo so much...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:14:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16754; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:12:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:12:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B41EEDB.159792E0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:12:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Againinator Image References: <000c01c103b5$1802b8c0$0301a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, today I started working on preliminary design of the Againinator. It will be modeled in Lightwave. So far it's a cross between an Arp and a squid. Think "Sigmund the Seamonster" (if you remember...) Sebastian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17009; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01c103b5$1802b8c0$0301a8c0@SATAN> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:17:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Againinator Image Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:41 AM -0700 7/3/01, Rainer Straschill wrote: >An option I'd greatly appreciate would be the inclusion of the notorious >"PHATNESS" button. This is a simple on-off-button that includes massive >analogue-style-compression, slight distortion, expanded stereo image, a >"Badewannenkurve" (+xdB at 120Hz, slight drop below) EQ and massively panned >filter sweeps. When I push the Phatness button on my test unit, it just turns my baseball cap around and my pants seem to get 5 sizes too big for me. It sounds exactly the same though. Is there something wrong with my unit? However, I notice the kids in my neighborhood don't beat me up as much when I use this function, so if this is a bug, please don't fix it! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:21:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17011; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <55.17d5b48c.287349ed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:16:45 EDT Subject: What is the latest on the Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.17d5b48c.287349ed_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_55.17d5b48c.287349ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, would you wait for it or purchase the EDP? Thanks --part1_55.17d5b48c.287349ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Also, would you wait for it or purchase the EDP? Thanks --part1_55.17d5b48c.287349ed_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:30:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17738; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:28:24 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@peak.org From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Againinator Image Resent-Message-ID: <5bD6sD.A.zUE.5HfQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:12 AM 7/3/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >OK, today I started working on preliminary design of the Againinator. >It will be modeled in Lightwave. So far it's a cross between an Arp and >a squid. A squArp? ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18434; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:32:50 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: mofx In-reply-to: <3B41BACF.C91C266F@dplanet.ch> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: christoph.grab@dplanet.ch, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3B41BACF.C91C266F@dplanet.ch> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:30 PM +0200 7/3/01, Christoph Grab wrote: >i am a bit late, i know. but can i still get an electrix mofx for $99 >now, and where? I just got a mailing from Guitar Center, advertising Electrix processors for their July 4 sale. This may or may not be valid. If you are willing to pay a little more, there are many Electrix processors being auctioned on eBay, with "buy it now" prices as low as $139.00. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20439; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c103e2$7c20c860$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Againinator Image Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:04:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-44MyC.A.N_E.LufQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I'm really lol. :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: RE: Againinator Image > At 4:41 AM -0700 7/3/01, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >An option I'd greatly appreciate would be the inclusion of the notorious > >"PHATNESS" button. This is a simple on-off-button that includes massive > >analogue-style-compression, slight distortion, expanded stereo image, a > >"Badewannenkurve" (+xdB at 120Hz, slight drop below) EQ and massively panned > >filter sweeps. > > When I push the Phatness button on my test unit, it just turns my baseball > cap around and my pants seem to get 5 sizes too big for me. It sounds > exactly the same though. Is there something wrong with my unit? > > However, I notice the kids in my neighborhood don't beat me up as much when > I use this function, so if this is a bug, please don't fix it! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:21:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20924; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:19:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Againinator Image From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine will probably be more conventional, so we'll have some varied models, perhaps...? David Lee myers >OK, today I started working on preliminary design of the Againinator. >It will be modeled in Lightwave. So far it's a cross between an Arp and >a squid. Think "Sigmund the Seamonster" (if you remember...) >Sebastian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20829; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:16:19 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA20778 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Matthias wrote... > I opted to allow the maximum of multiples possible. if I had to save the original loop before the multiply, you would have one less multiply allowed because of lack of memory and still would have to press the undo in the first multiple after closing multiply. If you want to undo the multiply anytime after doing it (without new overdubs, of course) you would have only half the space available, half as many multiples, more or less, I dont think that would be justified, or do you all have plenty memory left, the way you work? No... please don't take any memory away! I'm also enjoying the Sylmar Shuffle quite a lot! Thanks Andre (and your phantom friend)... I've encountered it in passing a number of times and mostly believed I'd screwed up once again... it's nice to nail it down and make better use of it. Bestest... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:31:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21716; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:29:05 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: 'plex q , jam q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA21685 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is caused by changing the delay time... of which several current delays do this quite well... Electrix Mo-FX Line6 DL4 Boss GT5 (not sure about the GT3, GX-700 and GP-100). not so current products include... Korg AM8000r Lexicon LXP15 Digitech RPS series rack delays Digitech PDS 4000 and 8000 pedals While most of these aren't technically dedicated loopers, they're what many of us have used for this wonderful type of manipulation for years... I really loved the detailed way I could control my LXP15 delays with cc control... It's such a big, heavy box though that I grew tired of having it invade my otherwise tidy rack. I may still end up with another one though because it was such a friendly and deep user interface. Great balance between simplicity and complexity... great verbs too... Best, -Miko >>> andrew_art@hotmail.com 07/03/01 06:24AM >>> Is is still the case that no currently available looper/delay can slow/speed up it's output ? ( like the PCM42 and the little blue one Billy Frizz uses ) Why is this - it sounds loverly. Meanwhile, the input/output knobs on my Jamman when turned make bad noises like 'curr-thurr-crtt-thump-futt'. Any suggestions ? ( 'sell it !' ) I'm obliged, Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:49:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22176; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B420468.2DC480E7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:44:08 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What is the latest on the Repeater? References: <55.17d5b48c.287349ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <03T3AD.A.TaF.5RgQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was told by their sales rep, at a product preview, "It will ship no later than June 15th. I promise." Other than blowing out their other products at amazing prices, they have been quiet. I decided to wait for the Repeater, mainly because it has the ability to save loops on Flash media cards, then dump them into your computer as .wav files. There's probably a chance that this product will never see market, though, but I'm going to wait and see. Until then, I'm working on Againinator product development. Mark AALev123@aol.com wrote: > Also, would you wait for it or purchase the EDP? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:55:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22510; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4205E9.CCF80943@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 10:50:34 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator Image References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, it is not a bug. The Phatnessô control is psychically induced by taking a Chuck D. brain pattern and imposing it on the looper and his or her audience. It doesn't really change the sound at all, however it changes your attitude relative to the music, therefore making it "Phat" Dr. Eldon Tyrell (will someone please "get" this obscure reference?) Kim Flint wrote: > At 4:41 AM -0700 7/3/01, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >An option I'd greatly appreciate would be the inclusion of the notorious > >"PHATNESS" button. This is a simple on-off-button that includes massive > >analogue-style-compression, slight distortion, expanded stereo image, a > >"Badewannenkurve" (+xdB at 120Hz, slight drop below) EQ and massively panned > >filter sweeps. > > When I push the Phatness button on my test unit, it just turns my baseball > cap around and my pants seem to get 5 sizes too big for me. It sounds > exactly the same though. Is there something wrong with my unit? > > However, I notice the kids in my neighborhood don't beat me up as much when > I use this function, so if this is a bug, please don't fix it! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22704; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <119.12430f6.28736058@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:52:24 EDT Subject: Another EDP BUG ?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com after investigating Andre's bug I found the following just hit Multiply > Insert > Undo with a loop running then any further presses of undo will give you a short loop (time between the Multiply and Insert presses?) selected unpredictably from the original loop. (or silence) ...or pssssttttsssttststs digital glitching each Undo moves you to a different part of the loop , but eventually the EDP gives up and produces nothing. click ..of course these loopettes don't have crossfaded edges ..click and the other thing is that 2 brothersynced and Midi-linked EDP's often respond differently when the bugs are encountered, even though they are processing the same Input. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 14:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24230; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:00:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:00:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:59:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200107031759.NAA05544@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: What is the latest on the Repeater? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was told by their sales rep, at a product preview, "It will ship no > later than June 15th. I promise." Other than blowing out their other > products at amazing prices, they have been quiet. I decided to wait for > the Repeater, mainly because it has the ability to save loops on Flash > media cards, then dump them into your computer as .wav files. There's > probably a chance that this product will never see market, though, but > I'm going to wait and see. That seems pretty unlikely. What we know is that 1) the boxes are finished 2) they have a working beta of the software 3) this is now their flagship/only product 4) they are (partially?) owned by a larger company, IVL. I can't imagine that IVL is going to let this fall on the floor, it'd be crazy > Until then, I'm working on Againinator product development. Good idea! They have a good track record and will certainly deliver something... interesting... (Though, I could never get their BlenderQueen to make any sounds except a nasty grinding sort of buzz. but it makes killer frozen Margueritas...) /t -- If it ain't fixed, break it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 14:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24618; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:09:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Againinator Image Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dr. Eldon Tyrell (will someone please "get" this obscure reference?) The guy who designed the replicants in BladeRunner? ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 15:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28176; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:41:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:41:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107031938.MAA02003@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:46:34 -0700 Subject: Againinator wish list From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers Delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8M-viC.A.83G.c-hQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is my Againinator feature wish list: It is big. It is at least as big and beautiful as a large Moog modular synth. (See www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod04.html for an image.) It is modular so that multiple Againinator delay units can be added. It has digital patch cords and all the modular units have digital inputs and outputs. And MIDI control - yes, more cables! Other digital effects modules can be added so that the delay feedback signals can be routed through various effects, such as the BlenderQueen (tm), etc. Seriously, I do want a completely modular digital audio shredding device. It would have individual dedicated modules for filters, reverb, distortion, chorus, etc., all of which can be added in any combination and be patched in any order. All audio signals are digital, no line level analog signals exist except in the main in/out module which has a top of the line AtoD/DtoA. Sure, one may be able to do this in software with a Kyma, but I want an impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:02:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29929; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:59:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:59:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:58:47 -0500 Subject: Pedal boards From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30366; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:07:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:07:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:09:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Pedal boards Resent-Message-ID: <_nAVMC.A.FaH.OXiQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > > Mike I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30789; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB40E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:13:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C103FC.9E843170" Resent-Message-ID: <2oLAdC.A.ugH.YeiQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C103FC.9E843170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my "pedal board" is laughable . . . it's pieces of fomecor (it's light!) velcroed together with pedals velcroed to that. i have two that are modular - - small set-up and extension for the big set-up - - side by side . . . both are double-decker items. looks like crap. s -----Original Message----- From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > > Mike I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C103FC.9E843170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Pedal boards

my "pedal board" is laughable . . . it's = pieces of fomecor (it's light!) velcroed together with pedals velcroed = to that. i have two that are modular - - small set-up and extension for = the big set-up - - side by side . . . both are double-decker items. = looks like crap.

s

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From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:09 PM
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>    anyone else have pedal = boards?  (a board / carrying case for your
>pedals).  I'm designing / building my = own... Was curious how anyone else
>tackled it.  I'll happily share my design = once I get it ironed out....
>
>    Mike

I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have = been eyeing the custom
setups from pedalboard.com with great = interest.

____________________________________________
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C103FC.9E843170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31639; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Againinator wish list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:19:38 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 Message-ID: <63CDB29DCAD54842B548D66BD15524C90510B8@fre-mail.inkra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Againinator wish list Thread-Index: AcED+EpI6yOi/9YPRlOewBGSQJ2i/AAAcdig From: "Kim Flint" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA31600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gern- I would like all of those same features, but in a footpedal. Please try to keep it small because I only have room in my pedal board for one more boss-sized pedal. Also, I get easily confused by too many buttons, so if you could make it totally controllable with 3 buttons or less that would be great. Don't sacrifice any features though, I need them all!! Please make sure the buttons are big, sturdy and clearly marked, because I usually perform in either my old smelly Birkenstocks or knee-high steel-toed platform boots. During my ambient solo sets, I need to be able to jump off the speaker cabinets, land on the Againinator pedal, spit fire, and tap an accurate delay time all while shrooming. (that's how I keep the audience awake....) All these other wussy pedals I have keep breaking for some reason! Their pedals suck! I hope Electros can deliver a better product, or the loop composition I've been working on for 19 years will be totally ruined and my career will be over!!! you are da bomb! kim -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:47 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Againinator wish list Here is my Againinator feature wish list: It is big. It is at least as big and beautiful as a large Moog modular synth. (See www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod04.html for an image.) It is modular so that multiple Againinator delay units can be added. It has digital patch cords and all the modular units have digital inputs and outputs. And MIDI control - yes, more cables! Other digital effects modules can be added so that the delay feedback signals can be routed through various effects, such as the BlenderQueen (tm), etc. Seriously, I do want a completely modular digital audio shredding device. It would have individual dedicated modules for filters, reverb, distortion, chorus, etc., all of which can be added in any combination and be patched in any order. All audio signals are digital, no line level analog signals exist except in the main in/out module which has a top of the line AtoD/DtoA. Sure, one may be able to do this in software with a Kyma, but I want an impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:31:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32002; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:27:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ed01c103fe$7d28ffe0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <63CDB29DCAD54842B548D66BD15524C90510B8@fre-mail.inkra.com> Subject: Re: Againinator wish list Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Againinator wish list > Hi Gern- > > I would like all of those same features, but in a footpedal. Please try > to keep it small because I only have room in my pedal board for one more > boss-sized pedal. Also, I get easily confused by too many buttons, so if > you could make it totally controllable with 3 buttons or less that would > be great. Don't sacrifice any features though, I need them all!! Please > make sure the buttons are big, sturdy and clearly marked, because I > usually perform in either my old smelly Birkenstocks or knee-high > steel-toed platform boots. During my ambient solo sets, I need to be > able to jump off the speaker cabinets, land on the Againinator pedal, > spit fire, and tap an accurate delay time all while shrooming. (that's > how I keep the audience awake....) All these other wussy pedals I have > keep breaking for some reason! Their pedals suck! I hope Electros can > deliver a better product, or the loop composition I've been working on > for 19 years will be totally ruined and my career will be over!!! > > you are da bomb! > kim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:47 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Againinator wish list > > > Here is my Againinator feature wish list: > > It is big. It is at least as big and beautiful as a large Moog modular > synth. (See www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod04.html for an image.) > > It is modular so that multiple Againinator delay units can be added. > > It has digital patch cords and all the modular units have digital inputs > and > outputs. And MIDI control - yes, more cables! > > Other digital effects modules can be added so that the delay feedback > signals can be routed through various effects, such as the BlenderQueen > (tm), etc. > > Seriously, I do want a completely modular digital audio shredding > device. > It would have individual dedicated modules for filters, reverb, > distortion, > chorus, etc., all of which can be added in any combination and be > patched in > any order. All audio signals are digital, no line level analog signals > exist except in the main in/out module which has a top of the line > AtoD/DtoA. > > Sure, one may be able to do this in software with a Kyma, but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00385; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:49:44 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: Pedal boards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA00319 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I lay out my pedals (and cutouts for any proposed new ones...) taking into account whether I want any on risers or tiers... then use either 1/4" or 3/8" baltic birch plywood... which is an expensive wood, but really strong. Velcro is used to mount the pedals... I glue and screw hardwood risers for the second tier to the baseplate, then use velcro and t-nuts to attach the riser top plate. Which makes it easy to remove the top plate using just two furniture screws with large diameter allen heads. The velcro does most of the holding while the t-nuts make it fail-safe. The bonus of having a riser is that there's room below it for power supplies, midi relay switchers, and cables. Mine's about 30" x 18"-20" I believe... It's a pain having a case made for it because I have a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser which is so much higher than the other stuff with jacks pointing upward... which would put them up against any padding on the inside of the case making it susceptible to failure... still trying to figure out a better sport and way to mount the Lovetone stuff... -Miko >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 07/03/01 01:13PM >>> my "pedal board" is laughable . . . it's pieces of fomecor (it's light!) velcroed together with pedals velcroed to that. i have two that are modular - - small set-up and extension for the big set-up - - side by side . . . both are double-decker items. looks like crap. s -----Original Message----- From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > > Mike I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00406; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D5D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the ideal pedalbaord would be to take a guitar case or better yet a keyboard case (full size) and route it out to put all the pedalbaords in it, maybe put some latches so you could take the cover off denis Denis Taaffe denis-aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > > Mike I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:10:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02221; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Againinator wish list Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:07:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3h77pC.A.Xi.9QjQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright then, if ya really wanna know: It's gotta have two sets of tape heads, one of which can be adjusted laterally (by at least a couple of feet), and a couple of reel spindles so that we can take that digital shit and run it through a tape delay for some REAL loops ;-). Jim "The Dinosaur" Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02532; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB40F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10405.5FF0AAC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10405.5FF0AAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's a pain having a case made for it because I have a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser which is so much higher than the other stuff with jacks pointing upward... which would put them up against any padding on the inside of the case making it susceptible to fail! ure... still trying to figure out a better sport and way to mount the Lovetone stuff... ** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the bottom tier - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper tier. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10405.5FF0AAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Pedal boards

It's a pain having a case made for it because I have = a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser which is so much higher than = the other stuff with jacks pointing upward... which would put them up = against any padding on the inside of the case making it susceptible to = fail!

ure... still trying to figure out a better sport and = way to mount the Lovetone stuff...

** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the = bottom tier  - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper = tier.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10405.5FF0AAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02964; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D62@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10406.4EBD7AC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10406.4EBD7AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" not familiar with the lovetone, but those keyboard cases are very thick and so most anything will fit in it without fear of damage unless it sits 1 ft in the air or something. Bust I mean most pedalbaords and things fit with ample room to spare, in fact you may have to add some foam to the bottom or wood liner to get it to sit at the right depth. Well, it just seems to be a simple way to carry the pedals and have them ready to go. Most i have seen have at least 11.5" of clearance. denis denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:16 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Pedal boards It's a pain having a case made for it because I have a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10406.4EBD7AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Pedal boards
not familiar with the lovetone, but those keyboard cases are very thick and so most anything will fit in it without fear of damage unless it sits 1 ft in the air or something. Bust I mean most pedalbaords and things fit with ample room to spare, in fact you may have to add some foam to the bottom or wood liner to get it to sit at the right depth. Well, it just seems to be a simple way to carry the pedals and have them ready to go. Most i have seen have at least 11.5" of clearance.
 
denis
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Liebig, Steuart A. [mailto:Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:16 PM
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
Subject: RE: Pedal boards

It's a pain having a case made for it because I have a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10406.4EBD7AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04120; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:56:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: the remote lounge Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7BFQEC.A.E_.p-jQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, it's going to be a very cool space... there are 71 channels of video, clever proprietary consoles that let you choose between them or order drinks or broadcast your face... and there's a nice big downstairs area that will be, once they have the permits, a fantastic dance area or a performance area for small or medium-sized acts -- like loopers. However. It's still a construction area. The downstairs, who knows when they'll get that permit for it? I'll monitor it but if we want to book for September this space will be iffy... next: Chashama... /t that was fast .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04123; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:57:10 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Pedal boards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA04050 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Miko wrote... >> It's a pain having a case made for it because I have a tall Lovetone pedal on the back riser which is so much higher than the other stuff with jacks pointing upward... which would put them up against any padding on the inside of the case making it susceptible to fail! ure... still trying to figure out a better sport and way to mount the Lovetone stuff... ** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the bottom tier - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper tier. stig I'm probably headed that way on rev 2... -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 17:59:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04047; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:55:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2001 21:55:55.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF97EDA0:01C1040A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a real high-tech solution, check out Eric Johnson's custom pedal board: http://www.ericjohnson.com/pictures/MainBoard.JPG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 18:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05957; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB413@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:00:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1040B.A469C0F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040B.A469C0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the bottom tier - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper tier. stig I'm probably headed that way on rev 2... ** it's still damn big . . . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040B.A469C0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Pedal boards

** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the = bottom tier  - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper tier. = stig

I'm probably headed that way on rev 2...

** it's still damn big . . .

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040B.A469C0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 18:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06268; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB415@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:04:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1040C.1A45B860" Resent-Message-ID: <_zJa2.A.lhB.UGkQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040C.1A45B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yeah, but he uses special ply that has to have tright amount of ply and the component wood has to have the correct density - - and the knots must be in very specific places . . . if the knots are off by a millimeter, he can hear the difference. stig (jes' funnin'!) -----Original Message----- From: Greg S [mailto:g716_loop@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards For a real high-tech solution, check out Eric Johnson's custom pedal board: http://www.ericjohnson.com/pictures/MainBoard.JPG ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040C.1A45B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: Pedal boards

yeah,

but he uses special ply that has to have tright = amount of ply and the component wood has to have the correct density - = - and the knots must be in very specific places . . . if the knots are = off by a millimeter, he can hear the difference. 

stig

(jes' funnin'!)



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg S [mailto:g716_loop@hotmail.com]<= /FONT>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:56 PM
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For a real high-tech solution, check out Eric = Johnson's custom pedal board:

http://www.ericjohnson.com/pictures/MainBoard.JPG<= /FONT>


------_=_NextPart_001_01C1040C.1A45B860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 18:09:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06297; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:06:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:06:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:05:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Pedal boards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA06271 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I LOVE the Lovetone stuff... but HATE it's size... >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 07/03/01 03:00PM >>> ** which is why all my lovetone stuff goes on the bottom tier - - with the lower-profile stuff on the upper tier. stig I'm probably headed that way on rev 2... ** it's still damn big . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 18:39:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07872; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:35:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:35:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010901c10410$2d5f6960$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D5D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:33:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to use an old briefcase (standard business size) like that. It worked, but I only had 3 pedals so space wasn't really an issue. The keyboard case is a great idea. Anyone? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: RE: Pedal boards > I think the ideal pedalbaord would be to take a guitar case or better yet a > keyboard case (full size) and route it out to put all the pedalbaords in it, > maybe put some latches so you could take the cover off > > denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis-aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Pedal boards > > > > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your > >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else > >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > > > > Mike > > I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom > setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Minus: Dark Lit > ____________________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 18:53:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08216; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D67@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Greg S'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:39:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric johnson on austin city limits looked to use what appeared to be an upside down fender (literally) from a vehicle of some sort.... guess he got sick of carrying that around.... denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg S [mailto:g716_loop@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards For a real high-tech solution, check out Eric Johnson's custom pedal board: http://www.ericjohnson.com/pictures/MainBoard.JPG From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10242; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:10:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:09:12 EDT Subject: Re: Againinator wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.15c5f676.2873aa98_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.15c5f676.2873aa98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/01 3:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: > but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m --part1_24.15c5f676.2873aa98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/01 3:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ahoeltje@best.com
writes:


but I want an
impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs!


dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m --part1_24.15c5f676.2873aa98_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:26:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11089; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4252EF.EF91EEA3@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:11 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Pedal boards References: <200107032253.SAA08715@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4F614793BA68218F4A6843B2" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------4F614793BA68218F4A6843B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Pedal boards- I found http://www.stompin-ground.com on the web, and liked the looks of their stuff. For flight cases, they're pretty cheap, and they're happy to build custom sizes and configurations. I'm getting ready to order one 32X60X7 for my drum machines. I just got another one from http://www.musictoyz.com/stdboard.htm and it's OK. The price was good, but it's not built exactly the way I would have done it. Definitely better than a milk crate, though. -Hans --------------4F614793BA68218F4A6843B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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I found http://www.stompin-ground.com on the web, and liked the looks of their stuff.  For flight cases, they're pretty cheap, and they're happy to build custom sizes and configurations.  I'm getting ready to order one 32X60X7 for my drum machines.  I just got another one from http://www.musictoyz.com/stdboard.htm and it's OK.  The price was good, but it's not built exactly the way I would have done it.  Definitely better than a milk crate, though.

-Hans --------------4F614793BA68218F4A6843B2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:32:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11421; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4253DA.8654E81C@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:23:06 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: armatronix gig spam References: <200107032253.SAA08715@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <23owl.A.LyC.dUlQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings fellow Loopers! Perhaps you're looking for something to do the night before the Big Sur Loop Fest? I am pleased to announce that armatronix will be playing this Friday night, July 6th at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos, California, featuring all-new material from our next release. The team has been hitting the used record bins and eBay with unprecedented vigor, and have gathered together a whole collection of new sounds for your dancing pleasure and listening enjoyment. You've never heard armatronix like this, people! Wear your Jordans - we'll have an assortment of Fat Laces available so you can represent the Old School in style while you're hitting the linoleum. Showtime is at at 10pm. Doors at 10am. $3 cover. 21+ only. Drink specials all night long. Designate a driver or find a floor to sleep on. Call the armatronix info hotline at (805) 748-4940 with any questions. For less information, visit http://www.armatronix.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11662; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.167ed8f1.2873afdd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:31:41 EDT Subject: Re: What is the latest on the Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine said: >There's probably a chance that this product will never see market ??? it'll see the marketplace, i'm sure. d / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:44:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12219; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:40:15 EDT Subject: Re: Pedal boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2_EhBD.A.28C.EglQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hans@ernieball.com writes: >I found http://www.stompin-ground.com on the web, and liked the looks of >their stuff. For flight cases, they're pretty cheap, and they're happy >to build custom sizes and configurations. i've used this stompinground stuff for a buncha years: strong, flexible, cheap & *travels very well* --- i travel, a lot; sometimes the gear goes by freight (rockit cargo / fedex), sometimes it goes under-the-plane (argh): no problems at all, for my pedals: none. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:56:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12711; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010703195020.007d5710@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:50:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Pedal boards In-Reply-To: <010901c10410$2d5f6960$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D5D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I outgrew a briefcase, then used a padded keyboard gig bag for several years, but recently went to a two-tiered velcroed board that fits in a carpeted road case that's just about exactly the size of a Rhodes 73. There are two power supplies and a couple of odd wall warts underneath the left side tier, while the top deck on the right side un-velcro's and fits into the back of my rack. The top tier on the right is shallower than the one on the left to allow for volume pedals in front of it on the bottom deck. The pedals all have the 'hook' part of the velcro on the bottom, which sticks nicely to the carpeted board, and allows for quick repositioning. Stig's right though, it's too damned big. -t At 06:33 PM 7/3/01 -0400, Peter wrote: >I used to use an old briefcase (standard business size) like that. It >worked, but I only had 3 pedals so space wasn't really an issue. The >keyboard case is a great idea. Anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:38:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14859; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:10:10 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: Pedal boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3B425EE2.97787E4F@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------539B80AAE64A45A0A4B80753" X-Accept-Language: en References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB40E@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------539B80AAE64A45A0A4B80753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cut 5/8" plywood, routed the edges, painted them black. Using stickybacked velcro to hold all of the pedals and power strip/power supply. I made my boards small enough to fit into a keyboard gig bag so it all packs away nicely. Now if I could figure out how to operate four things simultaneously....... Mike Killian in St. Louis "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > my "pedal board" is laughable . . . it's pieces of fomecor (it's > light!) velcroed together with pedals velcroed to that. i have two > that are modular - - small set-up and extension for the big set-up - - > side by side . . . both are double-decker items. looks like crap. > > s > > -----Original Message----- > From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:09 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Pedal boards > > > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your > > >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone > else > >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed > out.... > > > > Mike > > I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the > custom > setups from pedalboard.com with great interest. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Minus: Dark Lit > ____________________________________________ --------------539B80AAE64A45A0A4B80753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cut 5/8" plywood, routed the edges, painted them black.  Using stickybacked velcro to hold all of the pedals and power strip/power supply.  I made my boards small enough to fit into a keyboard gig bag so it all packs away nicely.  Now if I
could figure out how to operate four things simultaneously.......

Mike Killian in St. Louis

"Liebig, Steuart A." wrote:

 

my "pedal board" is laughable . . . it's pieces of fomecor (it's light!) velcroed together with pedals velcroed to that. i have two that are modular - - small set-up and extension for the big set-up - - side by side . . . both are double-decker items. looks like crap.

s

-----Original Message-----
From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:09 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Pedal boards

>    anyone else have pedal boards?  (a board / carrying case for your
>pedals).  I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else
>tackled it.  I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out....
>
>    Mike

I use one of the cheapo SKB pedalboards, but have been eyeing the custom
setups from pedalboard.com with great interest.

____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org
New & Improv Media
http://www.newandimprov.com
Now available: Minus: Dark Lit
____________________________________________

--------------539B80AAE64A45A0A4B80753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:39:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15042; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200107040034.f640YBg26115@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: DL4 CRAP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA14998 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I´ve had it,I´ll share this, and see if anybody has had the samew problems or it´s just my bad luck. I bought a DL4 in Paris France last year,and after testing a unit at the store I got a new one (closed box) and went home. The unit was not working:it made a single repetition delay on every setup I tried, I tried everything, and nothing worked, not even the looper. I got back to the store,and to my surprise I could not get a replacement because all their shipment was like that! I finally decided to pick other stuff for the same price,and then 6 months after this incident I tried getting another DL4 from another store, wich,worked for a while, then it started to get what I call "dead periods"I plugged it and didn´t worked, but after a while it turned on by itself and finally it´s been plain dead for 2 weeks now. I love the sound of line 6 products, but man, they´re crap,at least for me.I´ll try to get a refund or a replacement,I don´t want to pay a hundred dollar repair or anything and really I´ve had it with line 6. has anybody on the list experienced the same thing as me? any feedback on the matter? I think it´s a bad sign when an entire shipment of pedals is not working... Andy in Paris. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15393; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <76.c902bd0.2873c00b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:40:43 EDT Subject: Re: What is the latest on the Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It sould be shipping in about a week-They are almost there! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:46:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15743; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00eb01c10422$b3078c20$f643f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107032016.QAA30876@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:46:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just discovered a great source for inexpensive pedal boards. Cooking and Cutlery shops are now carrying a lot of plasting cutting boards in varying colors. Mine, of course, is dayglo green plastic. Using Velcro, I can put three or four effects and a power strip on one of the largest boards and two of them doesn't take up too much room. They have a handle built into the board......and they are cheap. Try it, you'll like it. PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the typical velcro glue.........any suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:47:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15568; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010703174025.020331f8@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:42:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: DL4 CRAP In-Reply-To: <200107040034.f640YBg26115@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA15542 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep other loopers/delay devices away from the Againinator. At 07:34 PM 7/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: > Ok, I´ve had it,I´ll share this, and see if anybody has had the samew >problems or it´s just my bad luck. > > I bought a DL4 in Paris France last year,and after testing a unit at the >store I got a new one (closed box) and went home. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17460; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:09:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> Subject: Re: Againinator wish list Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, buttons are where it's at! Lots of buttons, and make sure that each button has at least eighteen different functions depending on how long you hold it down, how hard you push it, what angle the unit is at relative to the floor, time of day, etc. I use a lot of Roland equipment and I'd hate to have to get used to a new way of thinking. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Againinator wish list In a message dated 7/3/01 3:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: but I want an impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:50:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18474; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c1042a$7fcc0860$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Againinator wish list Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:41:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i really like multi-buttons ones with 12 to 15 parameters each like the good old fashioned RX's now that was a monster Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://indians.australians.com/meherbaba/ http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Againinator wish list > Nah, buttons are where it's at! Lots of buttons, and make sure that each > button has at least eighteen different functions depending on how long you > hold it down, how hard you push it, what angle the unit is at relative to > the floor, time of day, etc. I use a lot of Roland equipment and I'd hate > to have to get used to a new way of thinking. > > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: Againinator wish list > > > In a message dated 7/3/01 3:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ahoeltje@best.com > writes: > > > > but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > > > > dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20078; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:06:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:06:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c1042e$1130c4a0$9442f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: MIDI MAPPING HELP!!! Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:07:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C103F3.6454CD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8BXcdD.A.l5E.gonQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C103F3.6454CD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 Rick and I are just trying to get the tech sorted out for the bass = looping tour which starts on Friday, but Rick's MIDI mapper, an Akai ME3 = 2OH (I think) is playing up, and we can't get it to work - does anyone = know if there's an initialise function on it? or any other suggestion = gratefully received!=20 Please cc. either my or Rick's e-mail addresses when you reply to the = list, as we're both on in digest mode, and need the info ASAP! :o)=20 thanks very much - hope to see lots of you at the gigs. After the cool = get together last week in LA, I'm well up for meeting more people off = the list...=20 Steve=20 www.steve-lawson.co.uk=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C103F3.6454CD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
Rick and I are just = trying to get=20 the tech sorted out for the bass looping tour which starts on Friday, = but Rick's=20 MIDI mapper, an Akai ME3 2OH (I think) is playing up, and we can't get = it to=20 work - does anyone know if there's an initialise function on it? or any = other=20 suggestion gratefully received!
 
Please cc. either my = or Rick's=20 e-mail addresses when you reply to the list, as we're both on in digest = mode,=20 and need the info ASAP! :o)
 
thanks very much - = hope to see lots=20 of you at the gigs. After the cool get together last week in LA, I'm = well up for=20 meeting more people off the list...
 
Steve
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------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C103F3.6454CD60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20672; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e401c10430$9ddc8220$c3761e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <200107032016.QAA30876@hemlock.violacea.com> <00eb01c10422$b3078c20$f643f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:25:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glue GUN! Om ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request > I just discovered a great source for inexpensive pedal boards. > > Cooking and Cutlery shops are now carrying a lot of plasting cutting boards > in varying colors. Mine, of course, is dayglo green plastic. > > Using Velcro, I can put three or four effects and a power strip on one of > the largest boards and two of them doesn't take up too much room. They have > a handle built into the board......and they are cheap. > > Try it, you'll like it. > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the typical > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20992; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PA5CALIO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:31:34 EDT Subject: Againinator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.c3cda01.2873da06_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL Taz for Windows US sub 19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f8.c3cda01.2873da06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. -Pascal --part1_f8.c3cda01.2873da06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What the hell is the againinator?  Please someone tell me.  
-Pascal --part1_f8.c3cda01.2873da06_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 00:17:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26229; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010704041531.79663.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00eb01c10422$b3078c20$f643f93f@dnlsh01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5G9fX.A.oZG.khpQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today on "Looping With Martha Stewart" we are going to create a pedal board display that will add a festive touch to your next heavy metal vomit party. :) I like your idea Rick. John --- "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > I just discovered a great source for inexpensive > pedal boards. > > Cooking and Cutlery shops are now carrying a lot of > plasting cutting boards > in varying colors. Mine, of course, is dayglo green > plastic. > > Using Velcro, I can put three or four effects and a > power strip on one of > the largest boards and two of them doesn't take up > too much room. They have > a handle built into the board......and they are > cheap. > > Try it, you'll like it. > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat > sensitive than the typical > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 01:06:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28438; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:04:16 EDT Subject: Re: Againinator wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yo Jim, could ya' twiddles the tape at the "mike stand capstan" for good effect. thanx b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 01:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28709; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B434ECF.577A92F3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:13:51 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator wish list (Eno's thoughts) References: <200107031938.MAA02003@proxy4.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure we all do (search the Archives for "God Box") but Brian Eno Wrote this for Wired Magazine, and I can't say that I do not see his point (one wouldn't know this based on my stuff!) http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/eno.html Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Here is my Againinator feature wish list: > > It is big. It is at least as big and beautiful as a large Moog modular > synth. (See www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod04.html for an image.) > > It is modular so that multiple Againinator delay units can be added. > > It has digital patch cords and all the modular units have digital inputs and > outputs. And MIDI control - yes, more cables! > > Other digital effects modules can be added so that the delay feedback > signals can be routed through various effects, such as the BlenderQueen > (tm), etc. > > Seriously, I do want a completely modular digital audio shredding device. > It would have individual dedicated modules for filters, reverb, distortion, > chorus, etc., all of which can be added in any combination and be patched in > any order. All audio signals are digital, no line level analog signals > exist except in the main in/out module which has a top of the line > AtoD/DtoA. > > Sure, one may be able to do this in software with a Kyma, but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 01:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28819; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B434F7F.48200B0E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:16:47 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator wish list References: <63CDB29DCAD54842B548D66BD15524C90510B8@fre-mail.inkra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim it is quite clear to me that there is a position at Electros for you. Gern Blanston Marketing Electros Inc. Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Gern- > > I would like all of those same features, but in a footpedal. Please try > to keep it small because I only have room in my pedal board for one more > boss-sized pedal. Also, I get easily confused by too many buttons, so if > you could make it totally controllable with 3 buttons or less that would > be great. Don't sacrifice any features though, I need them all!! Please > make sure the buttons are big, sturdy and clearly marked, because I > usually perform in either my old smelly Birkenstocks or knee-high > steel-toed platform boots. During my ambient solo sets, I need to be > able to jump off the speaker cabinets, land on the Againinator pedal, > spit fire, and tap an accurate delay time all while shrooming. (that's > how I keep the audience awake....) All these other wussy pedals I have > keep breaking for some reason! Their pedals suck! I hope Electros can > deliver a better product, or the loop composition I've been working on > for 19 years will be totally ruined and my career will be over!!! > > you are da bomb! > kim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:47 PM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Againinator wish list > > Here is my Againinator feature wish list: > > It is big. It is at least as big and beautiful as a large Moog modular > synth. (See www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod04.html for an image.) > > It is modular so that multiple Againinator delay units can be added. > > It has digital patch cords and all the modular units have digital inputs > and > outputs. And MIDI control - yes, more cables! > > Other digital effects modules can be added so that the delay feedback > signals can be routed through various effects, such as the BlenderQueen > (tm), etc. > > Seriously, I do want a completely modular digital audio shredding > device. > It would have individual dedicated modules for filters, reverb, > distortion, > chorus, etc., all of which can be added in any combination and be > patched in > any order. All audio signals are digital, no line level analog signals > exist except in the main in/out module which has a top of the line > AtoD/DtoA. > > Sure, one may be able to do this in software with a Kyma, but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 01:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29208; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:32:56 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7QKd2D.A.OIH.iqqQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio looping technology. Rick Dickard Product Manager Electros Inc. PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > -Pascal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 02:11:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31046; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010704060815.17029.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: DL4 CRAP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107040034.f640YBg26115@servidor.unam.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a problem in which the "B" switch (start/stop) sometimes works and sometimes not, I posted an explanation of this here in the list a month ago and some guys told me they´ve had the same problem, my warranty is over plus this pedal was bought in New York and I live in Mexico so it´s kind of expensive to send it to U.S. for repair (no authorized line6 techs here!), I think that the problem my pedal has is a software problem ´cause the switch itself is Ok, I´ve cheked it with an electronic meter and it works ok just as the other 3 and all the solder points are Ok too. Alx. --- Andy Soto wrote: > > > Ok, I´ve had it,I´ll share this, and see if > anybody has had the samew > problems or it´s just my bad luck. > > I bought a DL4 in Paris France last year,and after > testing a unit at the > store I got a new one (closed box) and went home. > > The unit was not working:it made a single > repetition delay on every setup > I tried, I tried everything, and nothing worked, not > even the looper. > > I got back to the store,and to my surprise I could > not get a replacement > because all their shipment was like that! I finally > decided to pick other > stuff for the same price,and then 6 months after > this incident I tried > getting another DL4 from another store, wich,worked > for a while, then it > started to get what I call "dead periods"I plugged > it and didn´t worked, but > after a while it turned on by itself and finally > it´s been plain dead for 2 > weeks now. > > I love the sound of line 6 products, but man, > they´re crap,at least for > me.I´ll try to get a refund or a replacement,I don´t > want to pay a hundred > dollar repair or anything and really I´ve had it > with line 6. > > has anybody on the list experienced the same > thing as me? any feedback > on the matter? I think it´s a bad sign when an > entire shipment of pedals is > not working... > > Andy in Paris. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 02:19:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31287; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:16:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:12:35 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Pedal boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b301c10450$51a3f940$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200107032253.SAA08715@hemlock.violacea.com> <3B4252EF.EF91EEA3@ernieball.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are some pretty cool pedalboards at http://www.pedalboards.com/ I've been think of using 3/8"-1/2" high density foam cut out to the shape of my pedals to hold them in place on the board itself. Basically, you have to have a big sheet, decide on a layout, trace the pedals, and use one of those hot-wire foam cutters to cut the holes in the sheet. Then use adhesive spray to attach the foam to the board. If you change your mind, just scrape off the old foam and re-foam. My SKB case came with some great foam like this, I just have to find a place that sells it. Since I have several different pedals that have the same shape (Moogerfooger, Lovetone, Line 6, Boss), I could interchange the pedals within my pre-cut foam holes if desired. Anyone try something like this ... the thought of using glue and velcro just doesn't appeal to me ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: RE: Pedal boards > RE: Pedal boards- > > I found http://www.stompin-ground.com on the web, and liked the looks of > their stuff. For flight cases, they're pretty cheap, and they're happy > to build custom sizes and configurations. I'm getting ready to order > one 32X60X7 for my drum machines. I just got another one from > http://www.musictoyz.com/stdboard.htm and it's OK. The price was good, > but it's not built exactly the way I would have done it. Definitely > better than a milk crate, though. > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 03:05:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00745; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: DL4 CRAP Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c10457$61596940$292f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010704060815.17029.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA00721 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had the same problem with mine lately- same switch too. I don’t know if it is software, since it just started doing this last month and I have had it about a year or so. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > I have a problem in which the "B" switch (start/stop) > sometimes works and sometimes not, I posted an > explanation of this here in the list a month ago and > some guys told me they´ve had the same problem, my > warranty is over plus this pedal was bought in New > York and I live in Mexico so it´s kind of expensive to > send it to U.S. for repair (no authorized line6 techs > here!), I think that the problem my pedal has is a > software problem ´cause the switch itself is Ok, I´ve > cheked it with an electronic meter and it works ok > just as the other 3 and all the solder points are Ok > too. > Alx. > > > --- Andy Soto wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I´ve had it,I´ll share this, and see if > > anybody has had the samew > > problems or it´s just my bad luck. > > > > I bought a DL4 in Paris France last year,and after > > testing a unit at the > > store I got a new one (closed box) and went home. > > > > The unit was not working:it made a single > > repetition delay on every setup > > I tried, I tried everything, and nothing worked, not > > even the looper. > > > > I got back to the store,and to my surprise I could > > not get a replacement > > because all their shipment was like that! I finally > > decided to pick other > > stuff for the same price,and then 6 months after > > this incident I tried > > getting another DL4 from another store, wich,worked > > for a while, then it > > started to get what I call "dead periods"I plugged > > it and didn´t worked, but > > after a while it turned on by itself and finally > > it´s been plain dead for 2 > > weeks now. > > > > I love the sound of line 6 products, but man, > > they´re crap,at least for > > me.I´ll try to get a refund or a replacement,I don´t > > want to pay a hundred > > dollar repair or anything and really I´ve had it > > with line 6. > > > > has anybody on the list experienced the same > > thing as me? any feedback > > on the matter? I think it´s a bad sign when an > > entire shipment of pedals is > > not working... > > > > Andy in Paris. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 03:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01026; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <76.c902bd0.2873c00b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:13:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: What is the latest on the Repeater? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musician's Friend was listing 8/31 as the availability date when I last looked. (MF was also down to just the FilterQueen and the EQ Killer.) Mark At 5:40 PM -0700 7/3/01, JHKNICKS@aol.com wrote: >It sould be shipping in about a week-They are almost there! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 04:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03383; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 04:19:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 04:19:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B42D1EB.343273FC@tapehissrecordings.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 04:20:59 -0400 From: Scott Carr Organization: Tapehiss Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator wish list (Eno's thoughts) References: <200107031938.MAA02003@proxy4.ba.best.com> <3B434ECF.577A92F3@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8qxmh.A.u0.xFtQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So Eno has discovered creeping featurism. I'm fighting with it at the moment myself. Not a bad idea to surround yourself with lots of stuff - but what happens then, and more importantly - how (or not). zzzzz Scott Mark wrote: > > Sure we all do (search the Archives for "God Box") but Brian Eno Wrote this for > Wired Magazine, and I can't say that I do not see his point (one wouldn't know > this based on my stuff!) > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/eno.html > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://www.tapehissrecordings.com and our sites at the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://mp3.com/hebephrenica http://mp3.com/sunshineallthetime ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07586; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c10476$407a6660$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:43:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07617; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c10476$4dccbd40$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:44:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9qXEEC.A.x2B.zLvQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07572; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c10476$39d50b80$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:43:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tjhi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07613; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c10476$464eb5a0$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:44:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:53:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07570; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c10476$31414e20$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:43:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8Mp_q.A.70B.DLvQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If your trying to ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:54:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07973; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010704104636.69124.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 03:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Againinator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008a01c10476$4dccbd40$b9f638cb@swoods> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's quite a stutter you have there. --- stevenw wrote: > Thi ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:54:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08395; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <897EEFCFE1DDD211B1F200105AF236E7CA14DF@TOROTRAK_MAIL> From: Glyn Merga To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:48:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this an example of the Againiator's 'stutter like a frightened child' mode ? -----Original Message----- From: stevenw [mailto:stevenw@comcen.com.au] Sent: 04 July 2001 11:44 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator? If your trying to ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > NOTICE: This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission. Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not be those held by Torotrak (Development) Ltd. Any agreements or negotiations communicated will not be honoured as it is intended that a binding contract should come into existence. Although we actively use measures to aid the prevention of harmful content being set from our systems, we cannot accept any liability for any loss or damage sustained as a result of software viruses. It is your responsibility to carry out such virus checking as is necessary before opening any attachment. Please be aware that the content of any correspondence through Torotrak's communication systems could be subject to examination by persons other that the intended recipient. This is done solely for the purpose of system and business security. All cases are treated with confidentiality to all parties by entrusted professional staff. mailto:administrator@torotrak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07783; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c10476$842edbc0$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <3B435348.4DA9F728@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:45:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Againinator? > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > looping technology. > > Rick Dickard > Product Manager > Electros Inc. > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > -Pascal > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 06:56:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09450; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c10478$30b15840$b9f638cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <897EEFCFE1DDD211B1F200105AF236E7CA14DF@TOROTRAK_MAIL> Subject: Re: Againinator? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:57:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3CAhaC.A.YTC.dYvQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry I tried to a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glyn Merga" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: RE: Againinator? > Is this an example of the Againiator's 'stutter like a frightened child' > mode ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: stevenw [mailto:stevenw@comcen.com.au] > Sent: 04 July 2001 11:44 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Againinator? > > > If your trying to > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: Againinator? > > > > The Againinator is all and everything. It is where we are going, as > > well as where we've been. It is the next step. It is heaven. It is > > alien, it is us. It knows what we want and gives it. It becomes better > > with each moment. It's always in the future, yet it has been with us > > from the begining. You have given all to get it, yet you have not paid > > for it. It will make you a superstar. It's children will nest in your > > thorax so that our children can bask in this new and improved audio > > looping technology. > > > > Rick Dickard > > Product Manager > > Electros Inc. > > > > PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > > > > > What the hell is the againinator? Please someone tell me. > > > -Pascal > > > > > > > > > NOTICE: > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be > confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been > addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, > distribute or use this transmission. Delivery of this message to any person > other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive > confidentiality. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and > may not be those held by Torotrak (Development) Ltd. Any agreements or > negotiations communicated will not be honoured as it is intended that a > binding contract should come into existence. > > Although we actively use measures to aid the prevention of harmful content > being set from our systems, we cannot accept any liability for any loss or > damage sustained as a result of software viruses. It is your responsibility > to carry out such virus checking as is necessary before opening any > attachment. > > Please be aware that the content of any correspondence through Torotrak's > communication systems could be subject to examination by persons other that > the intended recipient. This is done solely for the purpose of system and > business security. All cases are treated with confidentiality to all > parties by entrusted professional staff. > mailto:administrator@torotrak.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 07:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11403; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <10.f09c85b.287451d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:02:40 EDT Subject: Re: Jamman I/O noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Meanwhile, the input/output knobs on my Jamman when turned make bad noises > like 'curr-thurr-crtt-thump-futt'. thats the hidden 'curr-thurr-crtt-thump-futt' feature, much prized on the london improv scene. some sceptics might call it pot scratch, caused by a lot of use, or by dirt in the pot. some 'conventional' musicians have even been known to spray switch cleaner into the pot (if possible) or failing that to replace the pot. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 07:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12241; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:07:10 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Pedal boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/3/01 8:15:05 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: << my "pedal board" is laughable . . . >> Currently using one of the lids from my SKB 12 space rack case to hold a Pod2, a Boss LS2 Line Selector, 2 DL4s, Digitech PDS8000, , Rolls MX28, and a Furman power strip (with all the respective wall warts). The lid's lined with a piece of carpet and nothing's velcroed in place as of yet - just carry it from car to gig like a serving tray. Plan on getting the required latches and using the other lid from the rack case as a lid for this lid/pedalboard. With a 2"-3" piece of foam betwixt the two it should hold everthing in place for vertical carrying - with a suitcase type handle attached. - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 07:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13847; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <97.17b89800.287454e2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:15:46 EDT Subject: Re: Pedal boards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/3/01 10:36:29 PM, shindler@mediaone.net writes: << The keyboard case is a great idea. Anyone? >> Looked into it but by the time I would have filled the thing with pedals/ Mackie 1202vlz etc. it would have weighed more than the 12 rack SKB case I was lugging around. The reason I decided to explore the pedal/ loop set up, for most giggage, anyway, was to streamline things and hopefully cut back on the weight issue. However there's always that one extra piece you just have to add to the set-up :) ... - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 07:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15156; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <117.13093bf.287456d3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:24:03 EDT Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most pedals have rubber feet that are attached via screws - just mark, drill, use longer srews through pedal baord (counter sink srew heads)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 08:10:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22897; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010704080519.007c5170@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 08:05:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request In-Reply-To: <117.13093bf.287456d3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <987B0D.A.9jF.HcwQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to do that, but it's a royal pain when you want to move/remove something quickly, such as when something goes on the fritz onstage or when you want to take an effect out to use by itself. The velcro is very easy and dependable; I use the 2" wide stuff that comes in a long roll. There's no need for additional glue; the self-adhesive 'hook' strip stays on the bottom of the pedal very well, although you may have to remove the effect's feet to get it to sit flat against the board. If your board is carpeted, you won't even need the 'loop' part of the velcro. Automotive carpet works well, and you can buy a 3'x6' roll at WalMArt. Attach it to the board with spray adhesive and staples. You wont even be able to see the staples, but they work well to keep the carpet from stretching when you're repositioning a pedal. It's not at all difficult or messy. Tim At 07:24 AM 7/4/01 EDT, you wrote: >Most pedals have rubber feet that are attached via screws - just mark, drill, >use longer srews through pedal baord (counter sink srew heads)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 08:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27186; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:35:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:35:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <119.12430f6.28736058@aol.com> References: <119.12430f6.28736058@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:35:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Another EDP BUG ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4ZS6tC.A.onG.s1wQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >after investigating Andre's bug >I found the following > >just hit Multiply > Insert > Undo with a loop running > >then any further presses of undo will give you >a short loop (time between the Multiply and Insert presses?) >selected unpredictably from the original loop. >(or silence) > >...or pssssttttsssttststs digital glitching > >each Undo moves you to a different part of the loop >, but eventually the EDP gives up and produces nothing. > >click ..of course these loopettes don't have crossfaded edges ..click now this really is a bug. The three functions in a row are too much. It works better in the upgrade but still is a problem. > >and the other thing is that >2 brothersynced and Midi-linked EDP's >often respond differently when the bugs are encountered, >even though they are processing the same Input. this kind o problems is the reason why the upgrade is not out yet... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 08:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27182; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B41B285.8D756C9A@altruistmusic.com> References: <3B41B285.8D756C9A@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:35:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >O my peeps, > >> If I hit "undo" *after* I've finished the multiply (by hitting >> multiply a second time), the material that recorded during the multiply >> is erased, but the loop length remains multiplied. This isn't what I >> want. I know that I can "trim" the loop back to a single cycle, but >> that's extra (and annoying) work. Anyone else consider this to be a >> shortcoming? > >I personally don't consider it a shortcoming, but I think it depends >upon exactly what you're trying to do. And depending on the length >of the multiple/cycle, it might scarcely take any additional time... > >If you basically want to multiply a loop, and then instantly reduce it >to a single cycle with no sound... Hmmm. Off the top of my head I'm >not 100% sure how one would do that, but Insertmode=replace would be a >good place to start. Multiple loops would be another strategy. I dont think he wants it with silence, but if so, just reduce FB while multiplying! > >This is the usual point in a thread when Kim pipes in with the >brilliantly simple and obvious answer that we've all overlooked, so... > Kim? > >> I have been using record or overdub to end a remultiply a lot, thus creating >> a new cycle. Does this "bug" manifest itself in this case? (I would check >> it out myself, but nothing is set up right now.) > >I don't THINK so, but don't quote me on it. Part of what gives the >Sylmar trick it's characteristic sound is that it scrolls through the >memory of different cycles, even after those cycles have been deleted. > But I believe that ending a remultiply with record or overdub wipes >the memory in such a way that this doesn't happen. thats what I was asking about: so far, after a Multi-Record, you cannot go back before that with UNDO, but that would be easy to change. Multi-Overdub is just the same as Multi-Multi, in respect to timing and Undo. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 10:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05291; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010704142644.26152.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Electrix Warp Factory @ ebay $98 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got a few Electrix items from Muscian's Friend a few days ago. I am selling the Warp Factory. Bidding starts at $98 (what I paid for it). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 10:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05961; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4347B9.C99F71C8@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:43:37 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Warp Factory @ ebay $98 References: <20010704142644.26152.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0oDYxC.A.7cB.wyyQ7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Robert I guess Loopers delight has become a "normal" mailing list as we now also get the Ebay capitalist schemes shit as any mailling list on the net thank you for the content . Claude first post of yours : ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Electrix Electrix........ Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:01:04 -0400 Resent-From :Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux I would like the WARP & MO FX. Please let me know if any are left. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------- second post:today -------------------------------------- Robert Deveaux wrote: > > I got a few Electrix items from Muscian's Friend > a few days ago. I am selling the Warp Factory. > Bidding starts at $98 (what I paid for it). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 11:17:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07814; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:16:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:16:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Candace Meyer" To: Subject: RE: More on EDP "multiply" bugs Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1049c$40f82ca0$d39eb2d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10794; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c104a8$378897c0$b8b86fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB40E@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Pedal boards Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:00:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: Pedal boardsMine is some strips of velcro on the inside of my flightcase lid with 4 switches attached. The pedals I have to carry in a box along with cables and stuff. They also go on the velcro and the connections between the pedals and midi rolls are on a multitrack type loom -quite quick to set up too. Gareth. > anyone else have pedal boards? (a board / carrying case for your >pedals). I'm designing / building my own... Was curious how anyone else >tackled it. I'll happily share my design once I get it ironed out.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 12:43:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11030; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:41:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B436213.DFD7518B@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:36:03 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More on EDP "multiply" bugs References: <000001c1049c$40f82ca0$d39eb2d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Candace Meyer wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > < Undo. > So it doesn't create the one big cycle? Leave the little cycles? And you > can recreate the "bug?" > Gary Gary no its Multi-Record to create the one big cycle. if Q:cycle you create a exact x cycle long single loop (great tempo changes if you sync out) if Q off you create a new lenght single loop at rec press (ditto) the "bug" works in each cases Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 15:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18759; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010704192642.17784.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Deveaux Subject: Re: Electrix Warp Factory @ ebay $98 Claude Voit comments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B4347B9.C99F71C8@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a search for "ebay" at Looper's Delight & found the following: Summary for query "ebay": Found at least 233 matches in at least 51 files. 156 matches in HTML tags ignored. I find rude people who try to represent a whole mailing list more offensive than some guy listing an item for sale. (especially when my email didn't even have to be opened in order to know the entire subject) I have seen some mailing list groups thrash some guy for asking a simple question or making a comment that they didn't agree with. I even remember a guy saying he would unsubscribe due to the rudeness of a few people. I don't consider myself an ebay capitalist, but let's face it. We get up each morning & go to work in order to earn $. I purchased the Warp Factory, tried it for a few min & decided that I could live without it. I have seen people posting "how can I get 1 cheap?" So...I thought it would help. Last: Webster's dictionary defines "capitalist" as "1.A person who has capitol 2.an upholder of capitalism. Capitalism: "the economic system in which all or most of the means of production and distribution are privately owned and operated for profit, originally under full competitive conditions." I have a little $ & I agree with the system of capitalism. Peace, --- Claude Voit wrote: > Hey Robert > > I guess Loopers delight has become a "normal" > mailing list as we now > also get the Ebay capitalist schemes shit as > any mailling list on the > net > thank you for the content . > > Claude > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 18:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11417; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:56:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:56:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:56:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Againinator image From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops, sorry Kim--the image itself is only 32K, so I thought it would be okay. I'm sending this back around so people can look if they like. Thanks for putting it up... DLM on 7/4/01 5:05 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > David- > this is too big to post to the list. (I have it set to reject posts over > about 28k total.) However, I put it on the LD site if you want to give > people a link: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/againinator/againinator-floor.jpg > > I'm thinking of claiming that an anonymous informer from the electros > company provided us secret concept drawings of the fabled againinator.... > :-) > > feel free to supply more concept drawings if you like. > > kim > > > >> Here is my idea of the Againinator, floor model. I think it is sufficiently >> vague to enable nearly any description of function to apply. Note the >> ultra-rare magenta LED... >> >> >> David Lee Myers >> http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 04:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07967; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:36:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 04:36:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Subject: Re: Againinator image To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:34:22 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 05/07/2001 10:34:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave .. excellent work ! But considering the vast functionality of the unit, the LED display might be a little small .. any chance that it could support Virtual Reality goggles, and some kind of 3D operating system where VST plug-ins are represented as floating blocks ? :-) if you'd like to license my patented "BrainMerge" (tm) technology, you could bypass all that pesky messing around with S/PDIF and optical output, and link the unit directly to the listener's brain .... http://www.geocities.com/vibrolounge/press12.html - John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 05:21:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09777; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:19:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:19:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:20:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c1053c$3cf636b0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, I recently saw a Radiohead concert video on Bavarian TV. In one piece, the singer played Fender-Rhodes and sang like his pet parrot just died yesterday night, all while another guy from the group crouched on the floor with a small electronic gadget in his lap. The main component of this thingie was a x-y "Ribbon" controller (backlit in red) which he used to sample parts of the vocal line and then "scratch" them. Could anyone tell me what effect this was (based on this description or on his knowledge of gear used by Raidohead) ? Thanks, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de LOOP 2001 - www.againinator.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 05:58:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10698; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:53:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.40.164.194] From: "Andrew Taylor" To: , "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" References: <000201c1053c$3cf636b0$0301a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:48:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 10:52:42.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DC53F00:01C10540] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like it might've been a KORG KAOS pad ? http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KAOSSPAD bye A ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer Straschill To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: What effect is this? > Dear Loopers, > > I recently saw a Radiohead concert video on Bavarian TV. In one piece, the > singer played Fender-Rhodes and sang like his pet parrot just died yesterday > night, all while another guy from the group crouched on the floor with a > small electronic gadget in his lap. The main component of this thingie was a > x-y "Ribbon" controller (backlit in red) which he used to sample parts of > the vocal line and then "scratch" them. Could anyone tell me what effect > this was (based on this description or on his knowledge of gear used by > Raidohead) ? > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > LOOP 2001 - www.againinator.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 06:14:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14081; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:11:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apparently, according to our resident Radiohead worshipper, he had this device made specially, but we don't have any more details. Interested as to what looper/sampler is used in the setup. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Taylor [mailto:andrew_art@hotmail.com] > Sent: 05 July 2001 11:49 > To: rs@moinlabs.de; Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Re: What effect is this? > > > Sounds like it might've been a KORG KAOS pad ? > http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KAOSSPAD > > > bye > A > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rainer Straschill > To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:20 AM > Subject: What effect is this? > > > > Dear Loopers, > > > > I recently saw a Radiohead concert video on Bavarian TV. In > one piece, the > > singer played Fender-Rhodes and sang like his pet parrot just died > yesterday > > night, all while another guy from the group crouched on the > floor with a > > small electronic gadget in his lap. The main component of > this thingie was > a > > x-y "Ribbon" controller (backlit in red) which he used to > sample parts of > > the vocal line and then "scratch" them. Could anyone tell > me what effect > > this was (based on this description or on his knowledge of > gear used by > > Raidohead) ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rainer > > > > Rainer Straschill > > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > > LOOP 2001 - www.againinator.net > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 06:40:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25350; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:39:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:39:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107051138.f65Bcnx26544@chmls05.mediaone.net> Subject: New JD CD Date: Thu, 5 Jul 01 07:43:39 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang- Just a little spam to announce that my new CD, Brief Light, is now available direct from Alchemy Records (www.alchemyrecords.com). According to my distributor, it will land in stores in late August, though I suspect early September is more likely. Lots of loopage on the CD, along with lots of guitars and very cool percussion courtesy of Vinny Sabatino. Mr. Tony Levin plays on the bulk of the CD, and there are some nice spots from Michael Whalen on Piano, and Randy Roos on guitar synth. The splattered one, David Torn, did the mastering. Spam over. Jon Durant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 07:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27572; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:08:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Againinator image From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually I didn't think there was a great need for a large display, since a unit as advanced as the Againinator assumes some sort of infrared/cortical hookup. That's not really my department, but I suggest you drop a line to the Againinator engineering and legal departments. Good luck. David Lee Myers Freelance Imaging Team P.S. Something may be in the works involving data gloves which will allow you to really "feel" the VST plug-ins as blocks... on 7/5/01 5:34 AM, McCullaghJ@Logica.com at McCullaghJ@Logica.com wrote: > > Dave .. excellent work ! > But considering the vast functionality of the unit, the LED display might > be a little small .. any chance that it could support Virtual Reality > goggles, and some kind of 3D operating system where VST plug-ins are > represented as floating blocks ? :-) > > if you'd like to license my patented "BrainMerge" (tm) technology, you > could bypass all that pesky messing around with S/PDIF and optical output, > and link the unit directly to the listener's brain .... > > http://www.geocities.com/vibrolounge/press12.html > > - John > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 08:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31035; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <97.17bff9b3.2875c5dc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:30:04 EDT Subject: Re: What effect is this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Sounds like it might've been a KORG KAOS pad ? >> http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KAOSSPAD indeed, sounds like it might be a kaoss pad, or a redsound dj-sampler, or..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 08:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31395; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c10559$381ae740$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <97.17bff9b3.2875c5dc@aol.com> Subject: Re: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:48:47 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <56bQnC.A.EqH.yIGR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember this, as it was broadcast on BBC a few weeks ago. The show ended with the fellow fiddling with some device on the floor of the stage, head bent down, and unfortunately obscuring much of a view of what he was using. I think it was partially red with chrome. Possibly with some kind of pseudo-turntable disk controller on the top. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 July 2001 14:30 PM Subject: Re: What effect is this? > >> Sounds like it might've been a KORG KAOS pad ? > >> http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=KAOSSPAD > indeed, sounds like it might be a kaoss pad, or a redsound dj-sampler, or..... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00370; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D6B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'rs@moinlabs.de'" , "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds like one of those roland or similar groove stations that samples scratch f/x's (lame) and looping. that's what I would guess! or it was a milli vanili type disaster all over again where the guy was not really singing but it was indeed a record player and it was skipping hnece the scratch sounds..... denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:21 AM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: What effect is this? Dear Loopers, I recently saw a Radiohead concert video on Bavarian TV. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00499; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:06:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:06:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D6C@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Pedal boards Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:05:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9fMPSB.A.eH.tYGR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, how about a piece of wood with the pedals on it inserted inside a $14.00 keyboard bag which is on sale at musicians gimp (musician's sap, musicians friend or use the bag itself somehow.... denis denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards RE: Pedal boardsMine is some strips of velcro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:13:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00699; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D6D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What effect is this? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:11:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah they absolutely have a disc on some of those groove stations that has a CD sized disc that you move in circles and it immitates the DJ funk master Pee jay hip hoppin' jam boy breakdancing curly shuffle rap like scratching of a turntable type sound. Denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G [mailto:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:02 AM To: 'rs@moinlabs.de'; Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: RE: What effect is this? sounds like one of those roland or From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:53:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01734; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pedal boards for loopers Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:47:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10561.6613BA20" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10561.6613BA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Although it weighs too much and is hard to tote, I really like the SKB floor board with the attached 3 unit rack. It really makes it simple to keep an eye on what you loop is doing. Again it's too big and weighs too much when loaded. A cool trick I learned from GC was to take an A frame guitar stand and place a 4 space rack in it as you would a guitar. This keeps the rack tilted so your eye can see it like the SKB board does but isn't a bear to carry. Also a 1402 mixer works well with an A frame stand. tq -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G [SMTP:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:06 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Pedal boards ok, how about a piece of wood with the pedals on it inserted inside a $14.00 keyboard bag which is on sale at musicians gimp (musician's sap, musicians friend or use the bag itself somehow.... denis denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal boards RE: Pedal boardsMine is some strips of velcro ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10561.6613BA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Pedal boards for loopers

Although it weighs too much and is = hard to tote, I really like the SKB floor board with the attached 3 = unit rack. It really makes it simple to keep an eye on what you loop is = doing. Again it's too big and weighs too much when loaded.

A cool trick I learned from GC was to = take an A frame guitar stand and place a 4 space rack in it as you = would a guitar. This keeps the rack tilted so your eye can see it like = the SKB board does but isn't a bear to carry.  Also a 1402 mixer = works well with an A frame stand.

tq





    -----Original = Message-----
    From:   Taaffe, Denis G = [SMTP:dtaaffe@indiana.edu]
    Sent:   Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:06 AM
    To:     'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'
    Subject:       = RE: Pedal boards

    ok, how about a piece of wood = with the pedals on it inserted inside a $14.00
    keyboard bag which is on sale = at musicians gimp (musician's sap, musicians
    friend or use the bag itself = somehow....

    denis

    denis Taaffe
    denis_aliengtr@geocities.com
    http://www.dtguitar.com

    -----Original = Message-----
    From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supan= et.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 = 4:00 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Pedal = boards


    RE: Pedal boardsMine is some = strips of velcro 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10561.6613BA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03391; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:01:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:01:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Pedal boards for loopers From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Todd Quincy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077172061_468018" Resent-Message-ID: <1PFvD.A.o0.fMHR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3077172061_468018 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have any experience with the SKB 19=B2 mini gig rig? I=B9m thinking about buying it, but can=B9t really tell if it has appropriate (easy) back-access and room for cabling behind my mixer. Which would suck if I ordered it and got it home only to discover that was true. =3D) SKB=B9s website is pathetically uninformative. mike on 7/5/01 9.47 AM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote: > Although it weighs too much and is hard to tote, I really like the SKB fl= oor > board with the attached 3 unit rack. It really makes it simple to keep an= eye > on what you loop is doing. Again it's too big and weighs too much when lo= aded. >=20 > A cool trick I learned from GC was to take an A frame guitar stand and pl= ace a > 4 space rack in it as you would a guitar. This keeps the rack tilted so y= our > eye can see it like the SKB board does but isn't a bear to carry. Also a= 1402 > mixer works well with an A frame stand. >=20 > tq=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Taaffe, Denis G [SMTP:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:06 AM >> To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >> Subject: RE: Pedal boards >>=20 >> ok, how about a piece of wood with the pedals on it inserted inside a $1= 4.00 >> keyboard bag which is on sale at musicians gimp (musician's sap, musicia= ns >> friend or use the bag itself somehow.... >>=20 >> denis=20 >>=20 >> denis Taaffe=20 >> denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >> http://www.dtguitar.com >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:00 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Pedal boards >>=20 >>=20 >> RE: Pedal boardsMine is some strips of velcro >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3077172061_468018 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Pedal boards for loopers

    Anyone have any experience with the SKB 19” m= ini gig rig?  I’m thinking about buying it, but can’t reall= y tell if it has appropriate (easy) back-access and room for cabling behind = my mixer.  Which would suck if I ordered it and got it home only to dis= cover that was true.  =3D)  SKB’s website is pathetically unin= formative.

    mike



on 7/5/01 9.47 AM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote:

Although it weighs too= much and is hard to tote, I really like the SKB floor board with the attach= ed 3 unit rack. It really makes it simple to keep an eye on what you loop is= doing. Again it's too big and weighs too much when loaded.

A cool trick I learned from GC was to take an A frame guitar= stand and place a 4 space rack in it as you would a guitar. This keeps the = rack tilted so your eye can see it like the SKB board does but isn't a bear = to carry.  Also a 1402 mixer works well with an A frame stand.

tq





    -----Original Message-----
    From:   Taaffe, Denis G [SMTP:dtaaffe@indiana.e= du]
    Sent:   Thursday, July 05,= 2001 7:06 AM
    To:     'Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com'
    Subject:        = RE: Pedal boards

    ok, how about a piece of woo= d with the pedals on it inserted inside a $14.00
    keyboard bag which is on sal= e at musicians gimp (musician's sap, musicians
    friend or use the bag itself= somehow....

    denis

    denis Taaffe
    denis_aliengtr@geocities.com=
    http://www.dtguitar.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: whiteoakstudios [mailt= o:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001= 4:00 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com
    Subject: Re: Pedal boards


    RE: Pedal boardsMine is some= strips of velcro  



 --B_3077172061_468018-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:07:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03636; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:08:14 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Repeater - Where the heck is it? X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217776786==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0iemFC.A.j4.GRHR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217776786==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This notice is from the Electrix Web site : >Update July 3: > >OK...we're getting a whole whack o' email from people wanting to >know when Repeater is finally getting out the door. To make things >simpler, please send a quick email to and >we'll let you know the moment Repeater has left the building. Cool? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217776786==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Repeater - Where the heck is it?
This notice is from the Electrix Web site <http://www.electrixpro.com/ >:

Update July 3:

OK...we're getting a whole whack o' email from people wanting to know when Repeater is finally getting out the door. To make things simpler, please send a quick email to <usstores@electrixpro.com> and we'll let you know the moment Repeater has left the building. Cool?

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--============_-1217776786==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:14:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03910; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:13:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:13:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c10565$d36f3140$6d926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200107031938.MAA02003@proxy4.ba.best.com> <3B434ECF.577A92F3@zerocrossing.net> <3B42D1EB.343273FC@tapehissrecordings.com> Subject: Re: Eno's thoughts Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:45:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It depends on your approach to music and technology. There are, (at least) two approaches - 1 Explore a piece of kit, finding interesting features which then become imbedded in your creative activities. 2 Conceptualise a process and attempt to implement it using the equipment you have, (or spend more money!) Most of my stuff falls into the latter category so I use Kyma whose limitiations lie far beyond my expertise but Kyma is addictive and endearing. I have likened Kyma to a woman before, (and before anybody jumps down my throat, substitute your own choice of partner here). I have a creative relationship with Kyma that I personally find much more fulfilling than I ever had with other gear and I've been involved with music technology since well before MIDI was invented. I'm not saying there's a right and wrong. In fact I'm saying there is no right and wrong -right? Gareth > So Eno has discovered creeping featurism. I'm fighting with it at the > moment myself. Not a bad idea to surround yourself with lots of stuff - > but what happens then, and more importantly - how (or not). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:44:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04886; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c10568$6b3ef3f0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Againinator Image Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 6U half rack, definitely. I need the space. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: Againinator Image > Thanks for the suggestions, Kim. Sound On Sound Magazine often "spotlights" > this sort of product, and it would be a blast to see it on Harmony Central! > > Being both a gearhead and Photoshop pro, I'll offer to create an Againinator > image (you didn't think that Repeater we've been looking at for a year was a > photo, did you?). Listmembers should post their suggestions for physical > characteristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth. Subject to the whim > of the artiste, natch. > > I'm leaning toward a 6U half-rack or maybe a purple pod... > > David Lee Myers > http://www.pulsewidth.com > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! > In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, Kim's West, and Other Music, and > through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, CDeMusic/Electronic Music > Foundation, Deep Listening Catalog, Crouton Music, Recommended (UK), > Staalplaat (Netherlands), and Metamkine (France). > > > > on 7/2/01 3:41 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > >> With all "respect" given to the upcoming (I will bet cash money) release of > >> the Repeater, I have to say that the Againinator thread is totally > >> hilarious! Can somebody collect all the posts and put up a page on the web > >> site? I am serious--this stuff is paralyzingly funny. I did a search from > >> the web page but it eliminates posts over ten lines and won't give me HTML. > >> Anybody? > >> Thanks for all the info and entertainment. > >> Gary > > > > If someone wants to put together an LD web page for it, I'd be happy to add it > > to the LD "tools of the trade" pages. Maybe a few of you Againinator users > > could send in a review? > > > > And Gern, Electros should put out a press release for this exciting soon-to-be > > product. You really need to tell the world about it. I can put that up on > > Looper's Delight as well. Maybe you can get it on Harmony Central. Then all > > the Againinator users can submit comments on it for the harmony-central > > effects database! That should really help the back-ordering pick up! > > > > BTW, this search should bring you all the againinator posts: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?q uery=againinat > > or&errors=0&maxfiles=500&maxlines=5&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifiel ds=filelist&.c > > gifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles > > > > > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:44:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04891; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:41:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:41:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c10568$6a509c50$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC loopfest Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:01:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <34x3XB.A.sLB.txHR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got back from travelling. I live in Boston, and don't necessarily know what I could contribute from up here except ... PLEASE DO THIS!!! :-) I'd definitely be there to hear it. Hmmmm, although I could easily bring some spare cables or something, and I've got a vortex and a mackie 1402 I wouldn't hesitate to take with me if somebody could use them ... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: Re: NYC loopfest > Chashama on 42nd St is proving to be a good venue for > "this sort of thing". Unity Gain is going up there on > July 17/18 (with at least two list members playing, myself > and David Lee Myers). However, I do not know if they have a PA > permanently there... > Both places sound promising -- I'd like to come on the 17/18, let us know. > > > The Knitting Factory is a very civilized space and might well > let us book something. I have vague contacts there > > So do I, but you have to book months in advance. > > A friend of mine, Kevin Centanni, is opening a bar/gallery > called the Remote Lounge: > > Let us know after Tuesday. > > I'd be willing to do some work to get this together; it would be great if I > could split the work with one or two others, though. Don't think it would > be so hard -- I see this as more a chance for us NYC loopers to get to know > each other in a comfortable space than a show we need to promote to get a > big audience. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:44:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04960; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:43:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:43:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4533BF.EE7082E7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:42:55 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What effect is this? References: <000201c1053c$3cf636b0$0301a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7z2VK.A.VNB.L0HR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.greenplastic.com/gear/ gives you an idea of the stuff Radiohead is using. What you're talking about is the Korg KAOS pad. I've owned one for a year now, and I'm amazed at the bang/buck on this little box. VERY cool. I wish it were a bit smaller, so that I could velcro it to my guitar body, but it's designed for DJs. I use it to give variation to my sequences in real time. Mark Rainer Straschill wrote: > Dear Loopers, > > I recently saw a Radiohead concert video on Bavarian TV. In one piece, the > singer played Fender-Rhodes and sang like his pet parrot just died yesterday > night, all while another guy from the group crouched on the floor with a > small electronic gadget in his lap. The main component of this thingie was a > x-y "Ribbon" controller (backlit in red) which he used to sample parts of > the vocal line and then "scratch" them. Could anyone tell me what effect > this was (based on this description or on his knowledge of gear used by > Raidohead) ? > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > LOOP 2001 - www.againinator.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 11:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06648; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:00:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:00:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:02:10 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: What effect is this? In-reply-to: <3B4533BF.EE7082E7@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000201c1053c$3cf636b0$0301a8c0@SATAN> <3B4533BF.EE7082E7@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apropos the Kaoss Pad, check out Tactex: http://www.tactex.com/ http://www.tactex.com/productsMTCzone.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 11:54:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08114; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB41F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Pedal boards Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:51:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10572.B9C04240" Resent-Message-ID: <2Ec0jB.A.g-B.90IR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10572.B9C04240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** hey, i said it was laughable and ugly, i didn't say it wasn't useful and that i didn't like it! stig In a message dated 7/3/01 8:15:05 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: << my "pedal board" is laughable . . . >> Currently using one of the lids from my SKB 12 space rack case to hold a Pod2, a Boss LS2 Line Selector, 2 DL4s, Digitech PDS8000, , Rolls MX28, and a Furman power strip (with all the respective wall warts). The lid's lined with a piece of carpet and nothing's velcroed in place as of yet - just carry it from car to gig like a serving tray. Plan on getting the required latches and using the other lid from the rack case as a lid for this lid/pedalboard. With a 2"-3" piece of foam betwixt the two it should hold everthing in place for vertical carrying - with a suitcase type handle attached. - paul ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10572.B9C04240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: RE: Pedal boards

** hey, i said it was laughable and ugly, i didn't say it wasn't useful and that i didn't like it!

stig



In a message dated 7/3/01 8:15:05 PM, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:

<< my "pedal board" is laughable . . .  >>

Currently using one of the lids from my SKB 12 space rack case to hold a
Pod2, a Boss LS2 Line Selector, 2 DL4s, Digitech PDS8000, , Rolls MX28,  and
a Furman power strip (with all the respective wall warts).  The lid's lined
with a piece of carpet and nothing's velcroed in place as of yet - just carry
it from car to gig like a serving tray.  Plan on getting the required latches
and using the other lid from the rack case as a lid for this lid/pedalboard. 
With a 2"-3" piece of foam betwixt the two it should hold everthing in place
for vertical carrying - with a suitcase type handle attached. - paul

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10572.B9C04240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 12:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09496; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c10574$71d95be0$0342f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Berkeley gig tonight Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:03:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...don't forget Berkeley gig tonight - Manring/Walker/Lawson at TUVA... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 13:34:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13225; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.75.120.189] From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: help finding EDP Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:31:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2001 18:31:10.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[A98987C0:01C10580] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are the chances of finding a new EDP in the US? DMAN _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 13:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13510; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c10581$e4090140$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: help finding EDP Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:38:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shouldn't be a problem- call Alto Music in NY - they have provided me with great service in the past including my EDP purchase a few years back- The archives will have the info to contact them- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: help finding EDP > What are the chances of finding a new EDP in the US? > DMAN > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 13:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13697; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:45:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:44:35 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: EDP Availability... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA13652 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is just a repost of info from Andy Ewen at Trace-Elliot... East Coast...Alto Music in Middletown, NY # 845-692-6922 Midwest...Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, In # 800-222-4700 West Coast...LA Music Service (just outside of Los Angeles, CA) #310-787-0123 -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 14:10:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15552; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: EDP Availability... Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought my EDP from Alto... in fact, these days I buy most of my stuff from them. They have really great prices! Kevin > This is just a repost of info from Andy Ewen at Trace-Elliot... > > East Coast...Alto Music in Middletown, NY # 845-692-6922 > Midwest...Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, In # 800-222-4700 > West Coast...LA Music Service (just outside of Los Angeles, CA) > #310-787-0123 > > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:12:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18979; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:10:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:10:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dylan B DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: EDP Availability... Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:10:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just bought a fully loaded edp (memory upgrade, updated firmware, and footpedal) for a great price from LA Music Service, about a month ago. Mike was great, helpful and fast on the delivery. I highly recommend LA Music Svc. D -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Availability... I bought my EDP from Alto... in fact, these days I buy most of my stuff from them. They have really great prices! Kevin > This is just a repost of info from Andy Ewen at Trace-Elliot... > > East Coast...Alto Music in Middletown, NY # 845-692-6922 > Midwest...Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, In # 800-222-4700 > West Coast...LA Music Service (just outside of Los Angeles, CA) > #310-787-0123 > > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:29:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19708; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c10590$9debf280$ae456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: "Kevin Mulvihill" , References: Subject: Re: EDP Availability... Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:25:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.174 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: <1NdQID.A.hzE.8-LR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much did you pay for it? > I bought my EDP from Alto... in fact, these days I buy most of my stuff from > them. They have really great prices! > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:31:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19762; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:29:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:30:53 -0400 Subject: Re: NYC loopfest From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107051912.PAA19075@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3077195453_1509624_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <4MujYC.A.U0E.MAMR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3077195453_1509624_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit PLEASE DO THIS!!! :-) Tom Ritchford and I seem to be working on finding a space to do it, so it is going forward -- I hope you bring your pompoms! --MS_Mac_OE_3077195453_1509624_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: NYC loopfest
<brings out pompoms and= begans flailing them around in figure 8
patterns>

PLEASE DO THIS!!!  :-)

Tom Ritchford and I seem to be working on find= ing a space to do it, so it is going forward -- I hope you bring your pompom= s!
 --MS_Mac_OE_3077195453_1509624_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20017; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:34:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Againinator image From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107051912.PAA19075@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3077195647_1521314_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <110nTC.A.d4E.LDMR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3077195647_1521314_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Listmembers should post their suggestions for physical > characteristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth. Somehow I see the againinator cased in something that looks like grey elephant skin -- and it's fat! --MS_Mac_OE_3077195647_1521314_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Againinator image
Listmembers should post th= eir suggestions
for physical
> charac= teristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth.


Somehow I see the againinator cased in something that looks like grey eleph= ant skin -- and it's fat! --MS_Mac_OE_3077195647_1521314_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:34:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20075; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c10591$5cafb3a0$ae456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: References: <200107051912.PAA19073@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Warp factory weird input lights Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:30:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.174 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Warp factory input and output lights started being on even when there is no signal coming in. Does anybody have the same experience? BTW, although I understand that the Filter Factory needs to be fed a line signal, although I do so the lights are still hardly ever on. So now it's a real adventure: while I have all three units hooked in chain, MoFx is 'normal', while Warp is yellow all the time and Filter hardly ever. Always some fun with one's gear... petr _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry * guitar looping * commodeon * percussion web site: www.geocities.com/pepetr music samples: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/229/petr_dolak_samojsky.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:46:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20644; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:45:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:45:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:45:31 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: EDP Availability... In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217756411==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217756411==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:10 PM -0700 7/5/01, Dylan B DeAnda wrote: >I just bought a fully loaded edp (memory upgrade, updated firmware, and >footpedal) for a great price from LA Music Service, about a month ago. Mike >was great, helpful and fast on the delivery. > >I highly recommend LA Music Svc. L.A. Music Services Ventura County, California (805) 493-1931 (805) 493-1225 fax mail@lamusicservices.com http://www.lamusicservices.com Mike@lamusicservices.com - the boss -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217756411==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: EDP Availability...
At 1:10 PM -0700 7/5/01, Dylan B DeAnda wrote:
I just bought a fully loaded edp (memory upgrade, updated firmware, and
footpedal) for a great price from LA Music Service, about a month ago.  Mike
was great, helpful and fast on the delivery.
I highly recommend LA Music Svc.


L.A. Music Services
Ventura County, California
(805) 493-1931
(805) 493-1225 fax
mail@lamusicservices.com
http://www.lamusicservices.com

Mike@lamusicservices.com - the boss
--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz
--============_-1217756411==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 18:23:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26659; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <91.cedd421.287641f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:19:36 EDT Subject: Re: NYC loopfest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.cedd421.287641f8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_91.cedd421.287641f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would be willing to do a road trip from pittsburgh, of course picking up folks along the way (harrisburg-phila) actually anywhere between here and there.....all i would need is a small space to lay my head at nite to sleep and im good to go.....a neat thing about pittsburgh is that it is pretty much at the center of the whole mid-atlantic mega-plex, we are centrally located from chicago to indiana to phili to new york, pretty much in the middle of it all, pull out your rand/mcnallies.....everyone should just come here.....:)m --part1_91.cedd421.287641f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i would be willing to do a road trip from pittsburgh, of course picking up
folks along the way (harrisburg-phila) actually anywhere between here and
there.....all i would need is a small space to lay my head at nite to sleep
and im good to go.....a neat thing about pittsburgh is that it is pretty much
at the center of the whole mid-atlantic mega-plex, we are centrally located
from chicago to indiana to phili to new york, pretty much in the middle of it
all, pull out your rand/mcnallies.....everyone should just come here.....:)m --part1_91.cedd421.287641f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27711; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: 'plex q , jam q Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01c105ad$b22c18c0$b969580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -snippity -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle -- I really loved the detailed way I could control my LXP15 delays with cc control... It's such a big, heavy box though that I grew tired of having it invade my otherwise tidy rack. I may still end up with another one though because it was such a friendly and deep user interface. Great balance between simplicity and complexity... great verbs too... Agreed and how, I have a 15 in my rack (sits at the bottom!) and really get off on being able to tweak the delay length, then go in and add some reverb or take it away or notch it up a few semi-tones. That machine is a real sleeper. Have you had any experince with the LXP-15II. I read somewhere that it has a much longer delay than the 15? > >Best, >-Miko > yep, PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28917; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:00:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200107052259.PAA27252@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Availability... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And Bananas at Large, San Rafael, CA (415-457-7600) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:12:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29436; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.1029d21.28764df0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:10:40 EDT Subject: Re: help finding EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 845 692 6922. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30472; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:48:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:48:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:48:06 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP15's... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA30441 Resent-Message-ID: <2ojyPC.A.4bH.FzPR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> From: Mike Biffle -- I really loved the detailed way I could control my LXP15 delays with cc control... It's such a big, heavy box though that I grew tired of having it invade my otherwise tidy rack. I may still end up with another one though because it was such a friendly and deep user interface. Great balance between simplicity and complexity... great verbs too... > Agreed and how, I have a 15 in my rack (sits at the bottom!) and really get off on being able to tweak the delay length, then go in and add some reverb or take it away or notch it up a few semi-tones. That machine is a real sleeper. Have you had any experince with the LXP-15II. I read somewhere that it has a much longer delay than the 15? I've had both... 2 LXP15II's and 1 LXP15. The only real difference is the faceplate changed - and the mix ratio on about half the patches. Same stuff, just a more performance oriented slant on the II's and a cosmetic facelift. My second LXP15II seemed like it had more artifacts and zippering than the first, which really bugged me. It was seriously abused in the shipping though... that's about the only thing I can figure. I still might get another one. They go for a pittance of their original price now... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30471; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:49:19 -0400 Subject: Re: What effect is this? From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B4533BF.EE7082E7@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I definitely endorse the Kaoss pad--in fact, I use four in my setup! The best thing around until the Againinator ships... David Lee Myers on 7/5/01 11:42 PM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: What you're talking about is the Korg KAOS pad. I've owned one for a > year now, and I'm amazed at the bang/buck on this little box. VERY cool. I > wish it were a bit smaller, so that I could velcro it to my guitar body, but > it's designed for DJs. I use it to give variation to my sequences in real > time. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30761; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:56:54 -0400 Subject: Re: What effect is this? From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MAX/MSP users should definitely look at this. In fact, maybe this (MTC Express pad) should be required for laptop performers, whose presentations can be infinitely boring... David Lee Myers on 7/5/01 12:02 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > Apropos the Kaoss Pad, check out Tactex: > > http://www.tactex.com/ > > http://www.tactex.com/productsMTCzone.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 22:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05398; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:04:34 EDT Subject: Re: What effect is this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >Apropos the Kaoss Pad, check out Tactex: >http://www.tactex.com/ cool stuff: thinking 'bout using some of this, on the face of my new guitar-like thing..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 22:43:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06273; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:42:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010705223657.009f49f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:40:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --ghatam mic techniques-- In-Reply-To: <018f01c0fa96$9ce1b550$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200106211731.NAA08808@hemlock.violacea.com> <013d01c0fa92$55354ea0$2f44f93f@dnlsh01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Couple weeks back, somebody asked: > > I'm also really into looping ghatams of all kinds > >How do you mic your ghatams? I'd be interested in any ideas folks are willing to share on this, in both looping and non-looping applications. (Live, studio, etc.) Grazie, peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 01:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14059; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 01:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B45F9D1.346660B6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:48:02 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator image References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------08A506FB7A6BBEA1C5677CD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------08A506FB7A6BBEA1C5677CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now you're getting warmer! What most people don't understand with their limited knoledge of biomech, the Againinator is 80% biological. I'm thinking cuttlefish myself. Mark (stay tuned for Againinator.com! I just regestered it this morning) Steve Sandberg wrote: > > > Listmembers should post their suggestions > for physical > > > characteristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth. > > > Somehow I see the againinator cased in something that looks like grey > elephant skin -- and it's fat! --------------08A506FB7A6BBEA1C5677CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now you're getting warmer!  What most people don't understand with their limited knoledge of biomech, the Againinator is 80% biological.  I'm thinking cuttlefish myself.

Mark
(stay tuned for Againinator.com! I just regestered it this morning)

Steve Sandberg wrote:

 
Listmembers should post their suggestions
for physical
> characteristics, color, displays, knobs, and so forth.
 

Somehow I see the againinator cased in something that looks like grey elephant skin -- and it's fat!

--------------08A506FB7A6BBEA1C5677CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 02:23:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16209; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:20:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B46012B.A2924025@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:19:23 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the remote lounge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com where? Tom Ritchford wrote: > well, it's going to be a very cool space... > > there are 71 channels of video, clever proprietary consoles > that let you choose between them or order drinks or broadcast > your face... > > and there's a nice big downstairs area that will be, once they > have the permits, a fantastic dance area or a performance > area for small or medium-sized acts -- like loopers. > > However. It's still a construction area. The downstairs, who > knows when they'll get that permit for it? > > I'll monitor it but if we want to book for September this space > will be iffy... > > next: Chashama... > > /t > > that was fast > > .......all legal games of chess ...... > .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 02:23:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16259; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c105e4$4720d160$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: References: <3B45F9D1.346660B6@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Againinator image Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 02:24:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haha rock on! a chromatophore display would beat the pants of LCD ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Againinator image > Now you're getting warmer! What most people don't understand with their > limited knoledge of biomech, the Againinator is 80% biological. I'm > thinking cuttlefish myself. > > Mark > (stay tuned for Againinator.com! I just regestered it this morning) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 05:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24026; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 05:52:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-251.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.251] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010706120053.00a56400@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:00:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Junkie G Subject: OT: David Cooper Orton ? In-Reply-To: <000201c10565$d36f3140$6d926fd4@y5w2s5> References: <200107031938.MAA02003@proxy4.ba.best.com> <3B434ECF.577A92F3@zerocrossing.net> <3B42D1EB.343273FC@tapehissrecordings.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:45 a.m. 05/07/01 +0100, you wrote: hi can somebody send me a useful e-mail address of him ? i sent him mail from the address that appears in the CT-Acoustic compilation but get no answer. thanks you very much ! Junkie G Doctor_Sax_News http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News "cheers from catalonia, which language, people and culture have been harassed by centralists in spain through the years" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 07:14:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27997; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:12:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107061111.f66BBt822674@chmls06.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP15's... Date: Fri, 6 Jul 01 07:16:44 -0400 x-sender: jdurant@pop.ne.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: jdurant To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There were some issues with the original LXP-15s on program loads which were eliminated on the 15IIs. Delay times were not extended. There were some new presets added, mostly designed for guitar use, hence the mix ratio being different. (Boy, it's been a long time since this stuff was done!!!) I recently retired my LXP-15 from my guitar rack and replaced it with an MPX-1. There are things about the 15 I really miss, but there's a ton of stuff that can be done with the MPX-1 that the 15 can't even get close to. I still use the 15 as an outboard device on the recording rig... The things I really dug about the 15: the modulating delays (they were also improved in version 2) which have a really lovely, gentle (or not) chorusing vibe. The pitch shifting, while in no way pristine, had a really odd character that I used extensively. The MPX-1 is much cleaner, though I'm not sure I like it as well in certain cases. Also: Infinite verb-especially, being able to attach reverb time to a foot controller, swell a note into infinite land (a verb loop) and play over it, then swell it back in. Great stuff... Jon Durant >Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP15's... >Sent: 7/3/20 9:23 AM >Received: 7/6/01 7:05 AM >From: Mike Biffle, Mike.Biffle@asml.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net > >>> From: Mike Biffle >-- I really loved the detailed way I could control my LXP15 delays with cc >control... It's such a big, heavy box though that I grew tired of having >it invade my otherwise tidy rack. I may still end up with another one >though because it was such a friendly and deep user interface. Great >balance between simplicity and complexity... great verbs too... > >> Agreed and how, I have a 15 in my rack (sits at the bottom!) and really get >off on being able to tweak the delay length, then go in and add some >reverb or take it away or notch it up a few semi-tones. That machine is a >real sleeper. Have you had any experince with the LXP-15II. I read >somewhere that it has a much longer delay than the 15? > >I've had both... 2 LXP15II's and 1 LXP15. The only real difference is the >faceplate changed - and the mix ratio on about half the patches. Same >stuff, just a more performance oriented slant on the II's and a cosmetic >facelift. My second LXP15II seemed like it had more artifacts and >zippering than the first, which really bugged me. It was seriously abused >in the shipping though... that's about the only thing I can figure. I >still might get another one. They go for a pittance of their original >price now... > >-Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 09:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32224; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [136.221.60.2] From: "R. Angelo Prager" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: REMOVE FROM THIS LIST! Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 15:35:17 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2001 13:35:17.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E9727C0:01C10620] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST! >From: "Dennis Coggia" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: help finding EDP >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:31:10 -0400 > >What are the chances of finding a new EDP in the US? >DMAN >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:58:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02758; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:56:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:56:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:55:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200107061455.KAA26374@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: the remote lounge X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > where? where, which? well, I'll tell you about both! > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > well, it's going to be a very cool space... , Bowery near 2nd St. > > there are 71 channels of video, clever proprietary consoles > > that let you choose between them or order drinks or broadcast > > your face... > > > > and there's a nice big downstairs area that will be, once they > > have the permits, a fantastic dance area or a performance > > area for small or medium-sized acts -- like loopers. > > > > However. It's still a construction area. The downstairs, who > > knows when they'll get that permit for it? > > > > I'll monitor it but if we want to book for September this space > > will be iffy... > > > > next: Chashama... Chashama is 42nd St, near 6th Ave. Haven't found out who books it yet but at the very least, I'm playing there on the 17th and pretty well HAVE to find out! /t -- perhaps man is water's way of getting from one place to another? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:59:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02897; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:58:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:58:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: REMOVE FROM THIS LIST! Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:57:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4nm6B.A.mr.1HdR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO!!! | -----Original Message----- | From: R. Angelo Prager [mailto:robertangelo@hotmail.com] | Sent: Friday 06 July 2001 5:35 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: REMOVE FROM THIS LIST! | | | REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST! | | | >From: "Dennis Coggia" | >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | >Subject: help finding EDP | >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:31:10 -0400 | > | >What are the chances of finding a new EDP in the US? | >DMAN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 12:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08063; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:53:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: undersusbribe Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:52:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1it24D.A.k9B.ezeR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy, that remote lounge looks wicked! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 14:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12515; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B460293.74C8199A@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:25:24 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, red@redsound.com, agreensall@redsound.com Subject: CYCLOOPS - DJRND3 User's Manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New DJRND3 User's Manual at http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille/userman3.htm Kim, I will let you update the LD tools_of_trade DJRND2 page to the new DJRND3 if you wish. Btw I was thinking about Cycloops : Could you add the "jogwheel robotic-like time-stretching effect" in the list of features of your LD Cycloops link please ? Thanks EP http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 14:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13302; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:56:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:56:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Againinator wish list Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:52:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man! I go on vacation for a few days and miss all the fun! Don't forget the CHAOS button! When pressed, this button scrambles the functions of all the buttons. It effectively rearranges the front panel in a new random order. This includes the CHAOS button itself! A long press on the CHAOS button rearranges the Againinator's DNA. Don't stand too close please. Press this button ONLY with a ten-foot pole. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Againinator wish list > Nah, buttons are where it's at! Lots of buttons, and make sure that each > button has at least eighteen different functions depending on how long you > hold it down, how hard you push it, what angle the unit is at relative to > the floor, time of day, etc. I use a lot of Roland equipment and I'd hate > to have to get used to a new way of thinking. > > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: Againinator wish list > > > In a message dated 7/3/01 3:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ahoeltje@best.com > writes: > > > > but I want an > impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! > > > > dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 17:34:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20285; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:32:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:32:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:31:17 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Againinator prototype image References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is a design based on technology bought by a game company. http://www.zerocrossing.net/againinatorproto.jpg Allegra Geller Product Design Electros Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 17:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20500; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c401c10663$8ac379c0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: OT: Againinator prototype image Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they loop much .... Wait I know! You forgot the logo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Againinator prototype image > Here is a design based on technology bought by a game company. > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/againinatorproto.jpg > > Allegra Geller > Product Design > Electros Inc. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 19:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24510; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:14:18 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: OT: WAY WAY OT - me skankin it up in anachronox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008f01c10671$6227c850$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> <00c401c10663$8ac379c0$6b44230a@melon> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my old band did a song about 3 years ago for anachronox by ion storm and it finally came out last week. (talk about a long development cycle) it's the funk tune that introduces stiletto anyway. check it out if you are into video games and wanna hear my skanky rhythm guitar playing... (the spell checker wanted me to change skanky to swanky. hmmmm....) no loops, though. is having no loops like having no tea? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 19:20:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24699; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: OT: Againinator prototype image In-Reply-To: <00c401c10663$8ac379c0$6b44230a@melon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they > loop much .... *ahem* Some of us try.... > Wait I know! You forgot the logo! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:31 PM > Subject: Againinator prototype image > > > > Here is a design based on technology bought by a game company. > > > > http://www.zerocrossing.net/againinatorproto.jpg > > > > Allegra Geller > > Product Design > > Electros Inc. > > > > > > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 19:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25087; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:35:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:35:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:36:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: OT: Againinator prototype image In-Reply-To: <00c401c10663$8ac379c0$6b44230a@melon> References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5wJT3.A.-GG.bskR7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:35 PM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they >loop much .... > Hey...If I wasn't so busy brooding and drinking absinthe, I'd say 'them's fighting words, son". As a card carrying member of the goth crowd, I loop plenty, as does the wife. Yours in doom, gloom and fin de seicle angst, Frank Gerace Looper VG8 guitarist Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 22:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32765; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B467A43.BC2@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:56:03 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dreamchild References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> <200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can attest that Dreamchild is gothy,gloomy,loopy and very good. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 23:10:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01662; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:08:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:08:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B467D74.796B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:09:40 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay based looping. References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> <200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Up till now I've looped w/the EDP and Jamman.I've just started looping w/a long delay.(manipulating the SEND and FEEDBACK parameters on an Eventide) Would anyone care to share their insights (musical?technical?creative?) on these differant approaches ?? Thanks in advance, Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 00:53:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04372; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:52:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:52:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D87@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: delay based looping. Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dammn lexicon jammans with 32 sec. loop time are going for $550.00 or mroe that's insane, might as well by a brand new edp for a few hundred more?! Denis denis taaffe denis_aliengrt@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay based looping. Up till now I've looped w/the EDP and Jamman.I've just started looping w/a long delay.(manipulating the SEND and FEEDBACK parameters on an Eventide) Would anyone care to share their insights (musical?technical?creative?) on these differant approaches ?? Thanks in advance, Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 02:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07964; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 02:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 02:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010707060532.90211.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:05:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: delay based looping. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B467D74.796B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Something I've been having fun with lately is running my guitar thru one of the delay models (say sweep echo or reverse delay) on the DL-4 & sending this output to a Digitech RDS-7.6. Instead of using the Digi's on board LFO, I hook a JKJ CV-5 to the Digi's cv input. The CV-5 is controlled by an ART X-15 midi controller. I can use the X-15's program change switches to select LFO waveforms on the CV-5 (random & ramp waves are fun) & use the cc pedals to control LFO rate & depth. All feedback knobs are set low. I use the panel buttons on the Digi to change delay time ranges, which are more or less constantly being altered by the LFO. I also use a foot switch to occasionally engage the repeat hold function on the Digi. Oh yeah, I run the Digi's outputs to a Vortex (does anyone else like Bleen B as much as I do?). The net effect of all this is to provide a constantly changing wash of sound that reacts to my playing & in turn requires me to react to it. It's no Againinator, but I find it to be a rather comfortable bed for my guitar wanking wet dreams. John --- scott kungha drengsen wrote: > Up till now I've looped w/the EDP and Jamman.I've > just started looping > w/a long delay.(manipulating the SEND and FEEDBACK > parameters on an > Eventide) > Would anyone care to share their insights > (musical?technical?creative?) > on these differant approaches ?? > > Thanks in advance, > Kungha > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 03:38:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10113; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c106b7$f652fc20$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Reply-To: "diatom drone" From: "diatom drone" To: Cc: Subject: endless loop tapes Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:39:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks, sorry for the crosspost if affects your inbox. i just got a few "endless loop" tapes in an assortment of lengths from radio shack for 27 cents apiece so i'm looking to get the most out of them while they last. i had 2 main questions: 1. what's the easiest way to kill that gap/pop ? 2. is there any way to record on the other side? actually any help getting me pointed in the right direction for experimenting with tape would be great. i'm already having a lot of fun sampling this horrible giant scorpion movie off tv and playing with the playback speed and eq. thanks as always for any help. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 10:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10656; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c106ef$28e485a0$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D87@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: delay based looping. Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:14:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What can I expect to pay to have a Jam Man fixed which no longer wishes to power up? I wish they made them with an on/off switch so it's not being jolted into automatic on with the adapter.. Jehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: RE: delay based looping. > dammn lexicon jammans with 32 sec. loop time are going for $550.00 or mroe > that's insane, might as well by a brand new edp for a few hundred more?! > > Denis > > denis taaffe > denis_aliengrt@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:10 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: delay based looping. > > > Up till now I've looped w/the EDP and Jamman.I've just started looping > w/a long delay.(manipulating the SEND and FEEDBACK parameters on an > Eventide) > Would anyone care to share their insights (musical?technical?creative?) > on these differant approaches ?? > > Thanks in advance, > Kungha > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 10:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11298; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010707104202.009f7b80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:45:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: delay based looping. In-Reply-To: <003c01c106ef$28e485a0$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D87@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have Lexicon do it, it's $75 for them to look at it and give you an estimate. If you then decide to have the work done, they will apply that $75 to your total repair cost. (Parts and labor.) But sorry, i have no idea what it might cost to fix you specific problem. Just know the Lexicon procedure for products that have been out of production for 5 years or more. -peter At 10:14 AM 7/7/01 -0400, you wrote: >What can I expect to pay to have a Jam Man fixed which no longer wishes to >power up? I wish they made them with an on/off switch so it's not being >jolted into automatic on with the adapter.. >Jehn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 10:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11430; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010707104613.009f8aa0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:48:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: delay based looping. In-Reply-To: <20010707060532.90211.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3B467D74.796B@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maestro Tidwell (who, incidentally, kills me with his Againinator posts...), inquired, as an aside: >Oh yeah, I run the Digi's outputs to a Vortex (does >anyone else like Bleen B as much as I do?). I am addicted! -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 12:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14909; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:19:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:19:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B473612.195679C9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 09:17:23 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Tour Road Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O loopists, A website called talkbass.com is now running a road report from the Walker/Lawson/Manring tour: http://www.talkbass.com/articles/articleview.php?ID=15 There's a couple of updates there right now (Saturday morning). Any reviews of the gig(s) from people on the list? --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 12:49:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15422; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Againinator wish list Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:47:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01c1070c$d985a160$b667580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unlimited Undo feature as of the initial start-up of the Againinator. One button, the harder you push it the faster it Undoes, very sweet. PedrOOrdeP > >> >> >> but I want an >> impressive wall of electronics and lots of cables and knobs! >> >> >> >> dont forget *lights*, many colors.....:)m >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 12:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15652; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c10704$85415700$be497ad5@Arnellbtinternet.com> From: "Fred.Arnell" To: References: <3B473612.195679C9@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Looking for a Chapman Stick Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:47:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody have or know of anyone who may have a Chapman Stick for sale in the UK? Failing that, I'm on holiday in San Francisco on the 20th July, perhaps somebody in that area might know of one for sale over there. Thanks Fred Arnell. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 13:52:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17844; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010707134833.007c83f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:48:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Againinator wish list In-Reply-To: <01c1070c$d985a160$b667580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Againinator MUST have a feature that we could call Clairvoyant Realtime Editing. The way that would work is if you happen to notice something in one of your loops that you would prefer to not be there, maybe several layers down, the Againinator would convert your alpha waves to digital code which would enable the software to selectively mute/correct only the offending note, leaving the remaining audio content undisturbed. Unfortunately, implementation of this feature at the present time would require a multi-pin jack and a fair amount of interface circuitry to be implanted into the user's skull, but our beta testers are reporting that they're getting all the premium cable channels for free... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 16:15:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23446; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 15:14:30 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: delay based looping. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004201c10721$6de390b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <3B467D74.796B@earthlink.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20010707104613.009f8aa0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Maestro Tidwell (who, incidentally, kills > me with his Againinator posts...), me too... > inquired, as an aside: > >Oh yeah, I run the Digi's outputs to a Vortex (does > >anyone else like Bleen B as much as I do?). > > I am addicted! > > -peter > me too... i recorded a bit years ago with just a pair of cheapo "hecho en mexico" bongos sent through Blean B and out some speakers improvising with the rhythm of bleeny and lots of feedback... wheeeeee! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:03:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31859; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.213.134] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:00:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 00:00:12.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5D9FD50:01C10740] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, I have some questions that you nice sages might help me tackle I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a tremelo? Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be appropriate. Jeremiah _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31863; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:02:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.213.134] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Wh-1 question Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:01:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 00:01:08.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[175B4290:01C10741] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I really liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where I can find someone who repairs old effects, especially because these things have become so hard to replace. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:14:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32250; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.213.134] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3ms Effects for sale Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:11:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 00:11:55.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[98EF7370:01C10742] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have all three 3ms soundshimmer series pedals coustom built into a 2 space rackmountable unit. This is a triwave, atoner, and noise swash all custom glitch switches and separate ins and outs. I would like to get the same abount of money that these effects are offered as pedals. I am also open to trades. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32284; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.213.134] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3ms Effects for sale Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 19:12:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 00:12:52.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[BACDA5C0:01C10742] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have all three 3ms soundshimmer series pedals coustom built into a 2 space rackmountable unit. This is a triwave, atoner, and noise swash all custom glitch switches and separate ins and outs. I would like to get the same abount of money that these effects are offered as pedals. I am also open to trades. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00610; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:55:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:57:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: For sale X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: sales@RZCybernetics.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a few old LCS analog modules for sale. These are MIDI-controlled VCA matrix mixers, with TRS connectors throughout. Please e-mail privately if interested. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 23:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06086; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:13:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:13:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: For sale Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:12:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units that I was given to test. I don't have photos or anything, and the box is just plain metal with no writing on it, just the buttons and the knobs. Maybe you could make good use of it. If somebody would like to offer me some cash for it, or is otherwise interested, please let me know off the list. Thanks! Javier Berkeley, Calif. U.S. | -----Original Message----- | From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] | Sent: Saturday 07 July 2001 4:58 PM | To: sales@RZCybernetics.com | Subject: For sale | | | I have a few old LCS analog modules for sale. | | These are MIDI-controlled VCA matrix mixers, with TRS connectors | throughout. | | Please e-mail privately if interested. | -- | | ______________________________________________________________ | Richard Zvonar, PhD | (818) 788-2202 | http://www.zvonar.com | http://RZCybernetics.com | http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone | http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 23:52:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06880; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D8D@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:51:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, Well, you could always get a used guitar you don't mind playing and feels good and sounds good to you then put a decent pickup in it like a seymour duncan Jb and you would be all set. I did something like that except it was parted together from a bunch of other guitars and have played the same guitar for 17 years,innitial investment $500.0 ,but it has had 2 bridge replacements, 4 tone and volume pots replaced and lame, 12 5 way switches replaced! and has had one fret job, probably a piece of crap to others but gold to me. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: George Washington [mailto:jeremiah266@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Hello Loopers, I have some questions that you nice sages might help me tackle I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of www.world class guitars build me a copy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 23:58:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08145; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010708035636.94304.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: For sale To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <25V8V.A.J_B.1n9R7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Javier! I could be wrong, but it sounds like you might have a very rare analogue Againinator! This could be the same one used by the Stones at Altamont. They were hoping it could fill in for Keith Richards,(who had died 6 months previously), but the Againinator got into the Hell's Angels' beer stash, killed a spectator, & vanished into the night. Unconfirmed reports put the Againinator in Paris in the early 70's, where Jim Morrison planned to use it to replace the other members of the Doors. As the story goes, Jim recited his poetry to the Againinator one night & was found dead in his bath tub the next morning. I strongly recommend that you do the proper research to determine if you are in possession of a valuable piece of rock history & if you are, to do the right thing. Put it on ebay. John --- "J. Miranda V." wrote: > I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units > that I was given to > test. I don't have photos or anything, and the box > is just plain metal with > no writing on it, just the buttons and the knobs. > Maybe you could make good > use of it. If somebody would like to offer me some > cash for it, or is > otherwise interested, please let me know off the > list. > > Thanks! > > Javier > Berkeley, Calif. > U.S. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 00:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08268; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:59:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:59:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D8F@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'gnominus@earthling.net'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For sale Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:58:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes but does it come with a certificate of authenticity? Denis denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: J. Miranda V. [mailto:gnominus@earthling.net] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For sale I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units that I was given to test. If somebody would like to offer me some cash for it, or is otherwise interested, please let me know off the list. Thanks! Javier Berkeley, Calif. U.S. | -----Original Message----- | From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] | Sent: Saturday 07 July 2001 4:58 PM | To: sales@RZCybernetics.com | Subject: For sale | | | I have a few old LCS analog modules for sale. | | These are MIDI-controlled VCA matrix mixers, with TRS connectors | throughout. | | Please e-mail privately if interested. | -- | | ______________________________________________________________ | Richard Zvonar, PhD | (818) 788-2202 | http://www.zvonar.com | http://RZCybernetics.com | http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone | http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 00:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09826; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:18:36 -0500 (CDT) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request In-Reply-To: <00eb01c10422$b3078c20$f643f93f@dnlsh01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5DOBYD.A.2YC.n89R7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > Try it, you'll like it. > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the typical > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > There's a glue that you can get at hobby stores called Zap-A-Gap. It's really strong stuff, same formula they use to glue the space shuttle tiles down. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 00:40:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10243; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:39:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:39:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010707224429.00826bc0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:44:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: For sale In-Reply-To: <20010708035636.94304.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IT MUST BE UNMADE IN THE FURNACES WHICH FORGED IT, BEFORE IT FALLS INTO THE WRONG HANDS!, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! At 08:56 PM 7/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >Javier! > >I could be wrong, but it sounds like you might have a >very rare analogue Againinator! > >This could be the same one used by the Stones at >Altamont. They were hoping it could fill in for >Keith Richards,(who had died 6 months previously), >but the Againinator got into the Hell's Angels' >beer stash, killed a spectator, & vanished into the >night. > >Unconfirmed reports put the Againinator in Paris in >the early 70's, where Jim Morrison planned to use it >to replace the other members of the Doors. As the >story goes, Jim recited his poetry to the Againinator >one night & was found dead in his bath tub the next >morning. > >I strongly recommend that you do the proper research >to determine if you are in possession of a valuable >piece of rock history & if you are, to do the right >thing. > >Put it on ebay. > > >John > > >--- "J. Miranda V." wrote: >> I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units >> that I was given to >> test. I don't have photos or anything, and the box >> is just plain metal with >> no writing on it, just the buttons and the knobs. >> Maybe you could make good >> use of it. If somebody would like to offer me some >> cash for it, or is >> otherwise interested, please let me know off the >> list. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Javier >> Berkeley, Calif. >> U.S. > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 01:10:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11861; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D98@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0nH2Y.A.E5C.ar-R7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com awesoem till the unit malfunctions and you got to replace it haah...or you try to sell it on ebay.well you coudl always say includs pedalbaord permanantly lol.. denis -----Original Message----- From: spaceloop [mailto:tao@ns.ahoc.net] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > Try it, you'll like it. > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the typical > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > There's a glue that you can get at hobby stores called Zap-A-Gap. It's really strong stuff, same formula they use to glue the space shuttle tiles down. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 01:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11978; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D99@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: For sale Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:10:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lame bid on jamman and was winning bid then the guy cancels acution last miute becuase someone offered him more offline that sucks...well I wanted to buya bommerang anyway..but that is kidn of unfair.... denis -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For sale IT MUST BE UNMADE IN THE FURNACES WHICH FORGED IT, BEFORE IT FALLS INTO THE WRONG HANDS!, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! At 08:56 PM 7/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >Javier! > >I could be wrong, but it sounds like you might have a >very rare analogue Againinator! > >This could be the same one used by the Stones at >Altamont. They were hoping it could fill in for >Keith Richards,(who had died 6 months previously), >but the Againinator got into the Hell's Angels' >beer stash, killed a spectator, & vanished into the >night. > >Unconfirmed reports put the Againinator in Paris in >the early 70's, where Jim Morrison planned to use it >to replace the other members of the Doors. As the >story goes, Jim recited his poetry to the Againinator >one night & was found dead in his bath tub the next >morning. > >I strongly recommend that you do the proper research >to determine if you are in possession of a valuable >piece of rock history & if you are, to do the right >thing. > >Put it on ebay. > > >John > > >--- "J. Miranda V." wrote: >> I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units >> that I was given to >> test. I don't have photos or anything, and the box >> is just plain metal with >> no writing on it, just the buttons and the knobs. >> Maybe you could make good >> use of it. If somebody would like to offer me some >> cash for it, or is >> otherwise interested, please let me know off the >> list. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Javier >> Berkeley, Calif. >> U.S. > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 02:12:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14509; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:11:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:11:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:09:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two Steinberger GM7T's w/ graphite necks and one Klein with the Rosewood neck. All have TransTrems. The Klein is _WAY_ more guitar than the Steinbergers. Ed Roman always struck me as a shameless self-promoter and price gouger. Hold out for the Klein. If you find a good Steinberger GM7T used in the interim grab it until your Klein is done. You can always use a second TransTrem for spare parts. Chris At 7:00 PM -0500 7/7/01, George Washington wrote: >I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I >played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is >a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of >www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a >Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one >and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the >price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his >composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. >The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said >that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which >is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem >would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a >tremelo? -- _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 02:52:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15345; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010708065122.86334.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you haven't done so, you should contact Digitech repair at 1-800-777-3637, ext 626. I recently sent them my long discontinued GSP-2101. When I first called them, they said they had a flat repair rate of $85. I think this even includes the shipping back to me. Good luck. John > George Washington wrote: > Hello, > > > I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I > really > > liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where I > can find > > someone who repairs old effects, especially because > these things > > have become so hard to replace. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 04:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19113; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:08:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:08:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200107080808.BAA22140@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 01:07:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi,i have one old one(used for loopin...!)too that bit it a while ago-luckily i had a 2nd one but its the 2nd(black) version and i would love to get the red one fixed! if you find someone please let me know.thanx stanner ---------- >From: "George Washington" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Digitech Wh-1 question >Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 5:01 PM >I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I really > >liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where I can find > >someone who repairs old effects, especially because these things > >have become so hard to replace. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 06:54:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23533; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010708042149.00798b20@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 04:21:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question In-Reply-To: <200107080808.BAA22140@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'm curious, people have been particular about these in the past, would someone mind terribly, going over the differences they're talking about? Is it a change of features, of sound, or both?... -I'm assuming it's the later, but was just curious as I may be looking for one soon... Smiles, Goddess At 01:07 AM 7/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >hi,i have one old one(used for loopin...!)too that bit it a while >ago-luckily i had a 2nd one but its the 2nd(black) >version and i would love to get the red one fixed! if you find someone >please let me know.thanx > >stanner >---------- >>From: "George Washington" >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Digitech Wh-1 question >>Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 5:01 PM > >>I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I really >> >>liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where I can find >> >>someone who repairs old effects, especially because these things >> >>have become so hard to replace. >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 07:20:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24863; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 07:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010708111855.80604.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010708042149.00798b20@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If memory serves, on the original Whammy pedal Digitech used techno goodies under license from IVL. If IVL sounds familiar, it's because their techno goodies will also be in the Repeater. The Whammy pedals that came after the original one used Digitech's own techno(notso)goodies, which most folks didn't think sounded as good. John --- Goddess wrote: > OK, I'm curious, people have been particular about > these in the past, > would someone mind terribly, going over the > differences they're talking > about? Is it a change of features, of sound, or > both?... -I'm assuming > it's the later, but was just curious as I may be > looking for one soon... > > Smiles, > > Goddess > > At 01:07 AM 7/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > >hi,i have one old one(used for loopin...!)too that > bit it a while > >ago-luckily i had a 2nd one but its the 2nd(black) > >version and i would love to get the red one fixed! > if you find someone > >please let me know.thanx > > > >stanner > >---------- > >>From: "George Washington" > > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Digitech Wh-1 question > >>Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 5:01 PM > > > >>I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I > really > >> > >>liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where > I can find > >> > >>someone who repairs old effects, especially > because these things > >> > >>have become so hard to replace. > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 09:47:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28603; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c106ea$cc9deba0$64aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: NYC loopfest Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:43:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: NYC loopfest >.....a neat thing about pittsburgh is that it is pretty much >at the center of the whole mid-atlantic mega-plex, we are centrally located >from chicago to indiana to phili to new york, pretty much in the middle of it >all That's why there are a lot of distribution centers in Columbus, Ohio. It's within 800 miles of 2/3 of the country's population! Or at least it was in 1992 when I moved out of Central Ohio. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 10:15:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30198; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:13:09 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: >So I thought about having Ed Roman of >www.world class guitars build me a copy. >I told him I wanted a >Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one >and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the >price i believe that he's wrong. >and went on to suggest that I should get one of his >composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. formulated to sound like wood? huh? >The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said >that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which >is his suggestion. the basswood klein remains my favorite. >Ed also told that the addition of transtrem >would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a >tremelo? it *could* be, but certainly *shouldn't* be --- better to call someone at music-yo / steinberger / gibson, to see if it's possible to buy one, directly. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 11:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32482; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B48A2B7.2D4E2C0D@home.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:13:11 -0700 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F117133F8CE1D8E06C476C35" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F117133F8CE1D8E06C476C35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremiah, Sounds like grey business if you ask me! Rosewood sounds different than maple or a composite. Same with basswood vs. Korina, the sound is very different. Adding a trem should run the price of the trem plus labor. Labor should not be any higher that $200 for such a task. $1300 to add a transtrem is a person jerking your chain, and hoping for a sucker on the line... Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit George Washington wrote: > > Hello Loopers, > > I have some questions that you nice sages might help me tackle > > I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I > > played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is > > a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of > > www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a > > Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one > > and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the > > price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his > > composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. > > The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said > > that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which > > is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem > > would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a > > tremelo? > > Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be > > appropriate. > > Jeremiah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------F117133F8CE1D8E06C476C35 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;cell:248-763-1103 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:http://www.soul-fruit.com fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------F117133F8CE1D8E06C476C35-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 11:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00757; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 08:56:48 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000201c107c6$98e7ed60$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Ed Roman of World Class Guitars There are many stories of Ed Roman floating around regarding his business practices. I have not dealt with him directly so I have no personal comment other than the one bizarre conversation I had with him at NAMM several years ago. I have no idea whether he is really a good luthier or not, his Web pages tell one side of the story, but I would definitely check around some more on his reputation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02024; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c107c6$98e7ed60$0382c83f@kinesys12> References: <000201c107c6$98e7ed60$0382c83f@kinesys12> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:00:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA02000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>Ed Roman of World Class Guitars > >There are many stories of Ed Roman floating around regarding his business >practices. I have not dealt with him directly so I have no personal comment >other than the one bizarre conversation I had with him at NAMM several years >ago. I have no idea whether he is really a good luthier or not, his Web >pages tell one side of the story, but I would definitely check around some >more on his reputation. has a little about this... /t that was fast .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:20:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02441; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:19:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:19:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001e01c107ca$026a6580$a697800a@cso0737101> From: "Mike Feeney" To: References: <3B48A2B7.2D4E2C0D@home.com> Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 11:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0N8mGB.A.6l.0fIS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wouldn't do business with that guy, based on what you just told us! Adding a tremelo to a new guitar body (unrouted) should be easy as anything. It would require only slightly more work as a non-tremelo bridge. I smell a ripoff... On top of that, the wood does make a difference in sound. I'd think the person who told you that was a guitar technician, but not a guitar *player*... ;) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Brake" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players > Jeremiah, > > Sounds like grey business if you ask me! Rosewood sounds different than > maple or a composite. Same with basswood vs. Korina, the sound is very > different. Adding a trem should run the price of the trem plus labor. > Labor should not be any higher that $200 for such a task. $1300 to add a > transtrem is a person jerking your chain, and hoping for a sucker on the > line... > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > > George Washington wrote: > > > > Hello Loopers, > > > > I have some questions that you nice sages might help me tackle > > > > I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I > > > > played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is > > > > a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of > > > > www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a > > > > Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one > > > > and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the > > > > price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his > > > > composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. > > > > The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said > > > > that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which > > > > is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem > > > > would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a > > > > tremelo? > > > > Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be > > > > appropriate. > > > > Jeremiah > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:50:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03135; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:49:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:49:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.11844d0.2879e8e5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:48:37 EDT Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.11844d0.2879e8e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: <0f1LV.A.ww.y7IS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12b.11844d0.2879e8e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/07/2001 7:01:15 PM Central Daylight Time, jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: > I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I > > played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is > > a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of > > www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a > > Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one > > and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the > > price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his > > composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. > > The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said > > that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which > > is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem > > would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a > > tremelo? > > > Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be > > appropriate. > > Wow, Lorenzo is busy! I have a chambered swamp ash Klein with Joe Barden pickups. When I ordered it in the summer of 97, the wait time was four months. But about one month after I ordered it, Lorenzo called me and said he had a guitar returned to him - unbelievable, but the guy didn't like it - and it was a natural-colored chambered swamp ash, like I wanted. He installed the JBs and the custom pots I wanted, and it was my guitar. To me, it's worth every penny I paid. It's the guitar that goes to every gig. I also own some vintage jazz boxes, and i love them, but they don't do what the Klein does. It usually takes me a year just to get used to a guitar, and if me and the guitar can't agree with each other, I sell it. The Klein stays. So if you have to wait 10 months, I say "big deal". All I know from Ed Roman is from the one phone conversation I've had with him, and that wasn't pleasant. His words didn't match his "policies" or anything else his website promises. I don't trust him. But that's me. Others may be perfectly happy with him. On the other hand, Lorenzo has always been very helpful and truthful. I bet he doesn't have much time to talk these days. He doesn't need to hustle to sell guitars. There are downsides to playing a Klein. Kids will gawk and ask questions. So will adults, especially if they've been drinking. (Ted Waitt, CEO of Gateway computers, was the latest gawker, Friday night. He could afford a Klein, right?) People will ask stupid questions and wait for answers. Oh well. Kevin --part1_12b.11844d0.2879e8e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/07/2001 7:01:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes:


I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I

played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is

a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of

www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a

Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one

and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the

price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his

composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood.

The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said

that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which

is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem

would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a

tremelo?


Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be

appropriate.



Wow, Lorenzo is busy!  

I have a chambered swamp ash Klein with Joe Barden pickups.  When I ordered
it in the summer of 97, the wait time was four months.  But about one month
after I ordered it, Lorenzo called me and said he had a guitar returned to
him - unbelievable, but the guy didn't like it - and it was a natural-colored
chambered swamp ash, like I wanted.  He installed the JBs and the custom pots
I wanted, and it was my guitar.  

To me, it's worth every penny I paid.  It's the guitar that goes to every
gig.  I also own some vintage jazz boxes, and i love them, but they don't do
what the Klein does.  It usually takes me a year just to get used to a
guitar, and if me and the guitar can't agree with each other, I sell it.  The
Klein stays.  So if you have to wait 10 months, I say "big deal".  

All I know from Ed Roman is from the one phone conversation I've had with
him, and that wasn't pleasant.  His words didn't match his "policies" or
anything else his website promises.  I don't trust him.  But that's me.  
Others may be perfectly happy with him.  On the other hand, Lorenzo has
always been very helpful and truthful.  I bet he doesn't have much time to
talk these days.  He doesn't need to hustle to sell guitars.

There are downsides to playing a Klein.  Kids will gawk and ask questions.  
So will adults, especially if they've been drinking.  (Ted Waitt, CEO of
Gateway computers, was the latest gawker, Friday night.  He could afford a
Klein, right?)  People will ask stupid questions and wait for answers.  Oh
well.

Kevin --part1_12b.11844d0.2879e8e5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 13:32:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05032; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001b01c107d3$f509d240$a697800a@cso0737101> From: "Mike Feeney" To: References: <12b.11844d0.2879e8e5@aol.com> Subject: pedal board velcro stuff Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey again! Alrighty, I have built my pedal board and case! It works far better than I could have hoped for (I recruited a good friend of mine who I knew could help with the actual construction and would do a much more accurate job than I could). It's a wide 3/4" plywood board with clasps on the side, with basically a matching box with 1 open side that just sits on top of it and latches to it for carrying and pedal protection. Not bad!! Two questions though: One: Where could I find that heavy rough fabric that is often used to cover speaker cabinets and other such things so that I could cover the case? Two: Where could I find a large piece of that velcro backing that pre-manufactured pedal boards come with? I picked up several packs of industrial strength velcro strips that support the weight of my individual pedals / boxes, but I think for ease of pedal placement (and RE-placement) I'll want to cover the entire board with that stuff so that I can place the pedals anywhere I want (and be able to later change my mind. ;) Um, I guess that's it for now. You've helped me immensely, by the way, in my newbie forays into a lot of things, and I really dig this list as a result. =-) mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 13:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05186; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B489AD7.86FA9B80@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:44:57 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spaceloop wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > > > Try it, you'll like it. > > > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the typical > > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > > > > There's a glue that you can get at hobby stores called Zap-A-Gap. It's > really strong stuff, same formula they use to glue the space shuttle tiles > down. > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com and get the zip-kicker (accelerator- speeds drying) as well. aromatic enough to punch holes in any grey matter... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 13:40:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05328; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:39:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:39:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B489BCC.49579AAF@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:49:03 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4D98@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > awesoem till the unit malfunctions and you got to replace it haah...or you > try to sell it on ebay.well you coudl always say includs pedalbaord > permanantly lol.. > > denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: spaceloop [mailto:tao@ns.ahoc.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: > > > Try it, you'll like it. > > > > PS I'm looking for a glue that will be less heat sensitive than the > typical > > velcro glue.........any suggestions? > > > > There's a glue that you can get at hobby stores called Zap-A-Gap. It's > really strong stuff, same formula they use to glue the space shuttle tiles > down. > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com well, i think the idea would be to glue the velcro to the pedal, and then VELCRO the pedal to the pedalboard, but i may be mistaken on that count... (but i think zap WILL hold up better on re-entry) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 14:14:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07322; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:12:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:12:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010708111607.0091a900@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:16:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? In-Reply-To: <3B3E4524.9BAE1C71@altruistmusic.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know if the threatened Manring/Lawson/Walker bass looping TBA performance in either San Jose or San Francisco is happening today? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 14:14:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07371; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B494B77.B43E6371@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:13:11 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For sale References: <3.0.5.32.20010707224429.00826bc0@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Warning! The Againinator is designed to imprint on it's original owner. Once this imprinting has occurred, the Againinator must not be sold or given away for any reason. If one tires of the Againinator, it must be returned to Electros for destruction. Professor Hobby, Engineer Electros Inc. Goddess wrote: > IT MUST BE UNMADE IN THE FURNACES WHICH FORGED IT, BEFORE IT FALLS INTO > THE WRONG HANDS!, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! > > At 08:56 PM 7/7/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Javier! > > > >I could be wrong, but it sounds like you might have a > >very rare analogue Againinator! > > > >This could be the same one used by the Stones at > >Altamont. They were hoping it could fill in for > >Keith Richards,(who had died 6 months previously), > >but the Againinator got into the Hell's Angels' > >beer stash, killed a spectator, & vanished into the > >night. > > > >Unconfirmed reports put the Againinator in Paris in > >the early 70's, where Jim Morrison planned to use it > >to replace the other members of the Doors. As the > >story goes, Jim recited his poetry to the Againinator > >one night & was found dead in his bath tub the next > >morning. > > > >I strongly recommend that you do the proper research > >to determine if you are in possession of a valuable > >piece of rock history & if you are, to do the right > >thing. > > > >Put it on ebay. > > > > > >John > > > > > >--- "J. Miranda V." wrote: > >> I have one of the early-prototype Againinator units > >> that I was given to > >> test. I don't have photos or anything, and the box > >> is just plain metal with > >> no writing on it, just the buttons and the knobs. > >> Maybe you could make good > >> use of it. If somebody would like to offer me some > >> cash for it, or is > >> otherwise interested, please let me know off the > >> list. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Javier > >> Berkeley, Calif. > >> U.S. > > > > > >===== > >John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 14:44:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08439; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:47:00 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20010708111607.0091a900@pop.mindspring.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c107de$5f2c7dd0$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as I know, we could not find a space in San Francisco ... -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? Anyone know if the threatened Manring/Lawson/Walker bass looping TBA performance in either San Jose or San Francisco is happening today? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:01:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13345; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:00:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ac01c107e8$51be07e0$ec1286d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: OT: CENTROZOON - Remix News Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:58:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "Lee Fletcher" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (My apologies for any inadvertent cross-posting)... Paving the way for the coming release of The Cult Of: Bibbiboo, Markus Reuter and Bernhard Wöstheinrich (aka CENTROZOON) have commissioned several artists working within the electronic arena to remix this striking material. Amongst the first to participate are Ian Boddy, Mandelbrot, Vibrolounge, and myself - Lee Fletcher. The first of these official mixes to be made publicly available is my own. Deliverance (Autonomy Mix) is now freely available as an MP3 download from the following web locations: http://www.mp3.com/fletchertronics (available now) http://www.mp3.com/centrozoon (available now) A stripped down / whipped up slice of d'n'b stained electronica is what's on offer! In other CENTROZOON news, Markus & Bernhard have recently joined the roster at Burning Shed Records (http://www.burningshed.com) which is headed-up by No-Man's Tim Bowness. Watch out soon for a re-mastered / expanded version of the former MP3.com D.A.M. CD, Sun Lounge Debris. Best wishes, Lee Fletcher (on behalf of CENTROZOON) http://www.centrozoon.de http://www.bibbiboo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:10:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13635; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c10720$1a1339a0$79ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:04:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C106FE.930199A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C106FE.930199A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #224 July 5, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside = Things (MoIT), a Philadelphia area group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus = Schulze, and Ash Ra Tempel. The feature CD at midnight was "Live at the ICA" on = the Synkronos label. The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Detroit Snackbar Dreamer Stuntman (Virgin) Robert Rich & Point of No Return Stalker (Fathom) B. Lustmord Ash Ra Rempel Gin Rose * Gin Rose (Manikin) AirSculpture Dubbel Quark Soup (Neu = Harmony) Syndromeda Mystic Cave The Alien Abduction = Phemonenon (Groove) 12:00 am MoIT The Edge of the Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) Wilderness MoIT Magnetic Feedback Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Patterns Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT While the Rest of the Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) World Sleeps MoIT Swamp Interlude Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Outer Limits Part Two * Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Interlock Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Ministry = of Inside Things. Instead of the feature CD at midnight, however, MoIT = will perform a rare, live, in-studio concert lasting more than an hour. And = EMUSIC will run until 2:00 am. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C106FE.930199A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, = and space=20 music show, airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown = and=20 Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, = NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;        =20 Show=20 #224           &nb= sp;       =20 July 5, 2001.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I = began a=20 month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside Things
(MoIT), a = Philadelphia area=20 group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze,
and Ash Ra = Tempel. =20 The feature CD at midnight was "Live at the ICA" on = the
Synkronos=20 label.
 
The Ministry of Inside = Things
http://= wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jul
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST         &nbs= p;       =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:04 pm
Edgar=20 Froese           = Detroit=20 Snackbar Dreamer  Stuntman (Virgin)
Robert Rich=20 &           Point = of No=20 Return       Stalker (Fathom)
 B.=20 Lustmord
Ash Ra=20 Rempel           Gin = Rose=20 *            =   =20 Gin Rose=20 (Manikin)
AirSculpture        =    =20 Dubbel           &= nbsp;      =20 Quark Soup (Neu=20 Harmony)
Syndromeda        &nb= sp;    =20 Mystic=20 Cave           &nb= sp; =20 The Alien Abduction=20 Phemonenon
          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 (Groove)
 
12:00=20 am
MoIT          &nb= sp;        =20 The Edge of the          = Live at=20 the ICA=20 (Synkronos)
         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 Wilderness
MoIT         &= nbsp;         =20 Magnetic Feedback        Live at the = ICA=20 (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 Patterns           = ;     =20 Live at the ICA=20 (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 While the Rest of the    Live at the ICA=20 (Synkronos)
         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 World=20 Sleeps
MoIT          = ;         =20 Swamp Interlude          = Live at=20 the ICA=20 (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 Outer Limits Part Two *  Live at the ICA=20 (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 Interlock          &nbs= p;    =20 Live at the ICA (Synkronos)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D = Various Artists=20 (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next = EMUSIC, I'll=20 continue the month-long focus on The Ministry of
Inside Things.  = Instead=20 of the feature CD at midnight, however, MoIT will
perform a rare, = live,=20 in-studio concert lasting more than an hour.  And EMUSIC
will = run until=20 2:00 am.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C106FE.930199A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14212; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:32:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:32:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c10788$2e81f4e0$11acbdcf@laptop> From: "marc roche" To: References: <003001c10720$1a1339a0$79ae5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 01:29:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1074D.7C705F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1074D.7C705F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable remove ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Fox=20 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List=20 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #224 EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each = Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM = in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #224 July 5, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside = Things (MoIT), a Philadelphia area group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus = Schulze, and Ash Ra Tempel. The feature CD at midnight was "Live at the ICA" = on the Synkronos label. The Ministry of Inside Things http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Edgar Froese Detroit Snackbar Dreamer Stuntman (Virgin) Robert Rich & Point of No Return Stalker (Fathom) B. Lustmord Ash Ra Rempel Gin Rose * Gin Rose (Manikin) AirSculpture Dubbel Quark Soup (Neu = Harmony) Syndromeda Mystic Cave The Alien Abduction = Phemonenon (Groove) 12:00 am MoIT The Edge of the Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) Wilderness MoIT Magnetic Feedback Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Patterns Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT While the Rest of the Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) World Sleeps MoIT Swamp Interlude Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Outer Limits Part Two * Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) MoIT Interlock Live at the ICA = (Synkronos) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Ministry = of Inside Things. Instead of the feature CD at midnight, however, MoIT = will perform a rare, live, in-studio concert lasting more than an hour. = And EMUSIC will run until 2:00 am. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1074D.7C705F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Fox
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 = 1:04=20 PM
Subject: EMUSIC Playlist = #224

EMUSIC, an electronic, = ambient, and space=20 music show, airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, = Allentown and=20 Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, = NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;        =20 Show=20 = #224           &nb= sp;       =20 July 5, 2001.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I = began a=20 month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside Things
(MoIT), a = Philadelphia=20 area group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze,
and Ash Ra = Tempel.  The feature CD at midnight was "Live at the ICA" on=20 the
Synkronos label.
 
The Ministry of Inside=20 Things
http://= wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jul
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST         &nbs= p;       =20 = TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:04 pm
Edgar=20 Froese           = Detroit=20 Snackbar Dreamer  Stuntman (Virgin)
Robert Rich=20 &           = Point of No=20 Return       Stalker = (Fathom)
 B.=20 Lustmord
Ash Ra=20 Rempel           Gin = Rose=20 = *            =   =20 Gin Rose=20 = (Manikin)
AirSculpture        =    =20 = Dubbel           &= nbsp;      =20 Quark Soup (Neu=20 = Harmony)
Syndromeda        &nb= sp;    =20 Mystic=20 = Cave           &nb= sp; =20 The Alien Abduction=20 = Phemonenon
          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   =20 (Groove)
 
12:00=20 = am
MoIT          &nb= sp;        =20 The Edge of the          = Live at=20 the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 = Wilderness
MoIT         &= nbsp;         =20 Magnetic Feedback        Live at = the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 = Patterns           = ;     =20 Live at the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 While the Rest of the    Live at the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
         &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 World=20 = Sleeps
MoIT          = ;         =20 Swamp Interlude          = Live at=20 the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 Outer Limits Part Two *  Live at the ICA=20 = (Synkronos)
MoIT         =           =20 = Interlock          &nbs= p;    =20 Live at the ICA (Synkronos)
 
1:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D = Various Artists=20 (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next = EMUSIC,=20 I'll continue the month-long focus on The Ministry of
Inside = Things. =20 Instead of the feature CD at midnight, however, MoIT will
perform a = rare,=20 live, in-studio concert lasting more than an hour.  And = EMUSIC
will=20 run until 2:00 am.
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1074D.7C705F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14484; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.181] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:37:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 20:37:39.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[D422D260:01C107ED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes it is...7pm at the SanJose Museum of Art on Almaden.....we are all quite excited about it. I am touring with Michael, Steve and Rick as part of this extraordinary event. Invite your friends! Max Valentino >From: Sean Echevarria >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:16:07 -0700 > >Anyone know if the threatened Manring/Lawson/Walker bass looping TBA >performance in either San Jose or San Francisco is happening today? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14620; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:40:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.181] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:39:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 20:39:08.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[095DAEF0:01C107EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tonight (sunday) in San Jose...Museum of Art. Tomorrow night at the Rio Theatre in Santa Cruz. Invite your friends!!! Max Valentino >From: Doug Lawrence >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 11:47:00 -0700 > > >As far as I know, we could not find a space in San Francisco ... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean_@mindspring.com] >Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:16 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Bass looping in San Jose or San Francisco today? > > >Anyone know if the threatened Manring/Lawson/Walker bass looping TBA >performance in either San Jose or San Francisco is happening today? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:50:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15134; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010708204909.24389.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010708111855.80604.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- John Tidwell wrote: > If memory serves, on the original Whammy pedal > Digitech > used techno goodies under license from IVL. If IVL > sounds familiar, it's because their techno goodies > will also be in the Repeater. The Whammy pedals that > came after the original one used Digitech's own > techno(notso)goodies, which most folks didn't think > sounded as good. > > John Actually the 2nd version (black one) also uses IVL chip, I know this ´cause a friend has one and the other day I opened it to glue again its CHEAP plastic sides, I have an original one and I found that actually the black one tracks better when using the "octave down" preset, actually I found the black one a little more "cleaner" sounding but is that harsh sound and sometimes erratic pitch tracking that gives the 1st (red) version a special "analog" vibe PLUS its construction is the best one of all the versions, it is a really solid pedal, you might try the new reissue version that has MIDI, haven´t tried it yet but looks solid too. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 17:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17370; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:35:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:35:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c107f4$48bf5d40$e56e303f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:53:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2001 21:34:24.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A87830:01C107F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A word on the wait for a Klein: the 10 month wait from Lorenzo might be optimistic. I was told 6 and it has now been 13--the latest is it should be done in August. Lorenzo has had some health problems that put him way behind schedule, though things might be back to normal at this point. I have played a Klein quite a bit recently, and the one-piece solid rosewood neck is unlike anything else I've played, wood or composite (and better). I think it has a lot to do with the quality of the instrument. It's a remarkable guitar, and for me it's worth waiting for. I sometimes wish I'd pounced on a couple of used Kleins that turned up over the year, but I never wish I'd got something from Ed Roman. my tuppence... Bruce Comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 19:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22230; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010708194613.007cfec0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:46:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: pedal board velcro stuff In-Reply-To: <001b01c107d3$f509d240$a697800a@cso0737101> References: <12b.11844d0.2879e8e5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:32 PM 7/8/01 -0500, you wrote: > One: Where could I find that heavy rough fabric that is often used to >cover speaker cabinets and other such things so that I could cover the case? WalMart. Automotive department near the floor mats 'n stuff. It comes in a 3' x 6' piece rolled up in plastic for about $8. I've used used the 'real' speaker carpet (it came in a 50' roll from a carpet and textile warehouse) and this stuff is virtually identical; it's actually preferable because velcro sticks to it better. You can get it in black, gray, blue or tan. Cut it to size, then use spray adhesive and heavy duty staples to apply it. > Two: Where could I find a large piece of that velcro backing that >pre-manufactured pedal boards come with? At a hardware store. >I'll want to cover the entire board with that stuff so that I can place the >pedals anywhere I want (and be able to later change my mind. It's easier to cover the pedalboard's surface with the same carpet you're using on the case, then apply the 'hook' part of the velcro to your pedals. They stick to the carpet just the same way as they'd stick to the 'loop' part of the velcro. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:29:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24273; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:27:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:27:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <39.174a5a8d.287a53f7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:25:27 EDT Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_39.174a5a8d.287a53f7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_39.174a5a8d.287a53f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to say that The Klein is defiantly worth the wait for more than one reason...the two biggest being the quality and the service. I believe I've said this before on LD but I would like to say again what a great guy Lorenzo is to work with. My latest dealings with him were a month or so ago. I had inquired about having a new neck installed and some electronic work done. He called back shortly after. First off, he talked me out of the neck I was considering. They do still carry this particular neck and have it available if needed but Lorenzo told me that more than a few musicians had been unhappy with them and that I should probably think twice about that decision. -this, by the way, would obviously cost him money but he seems to have the best interests of his customers in mind. Also, during the same call, he brought up the fact that he had modified the routing of the Kleins under the pickguard and that the new instruments sound a lot more 'lively'. He then said that if I wanted to, I should send him my instrument and he would do the routing for free because as he puts it..."it should've been done like that all along!" More money out of his pocket in his efforts to please his customers. I believe that ten months is not too long a time to wait for an instrument you'll probably cherish for years and years to come! -Todd --part1_39.174a5a8d.287a53f7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to say that The Klein is defiantly worth the wait for more than
one reason...the two biggest being the quality and the service.

I believe I've said this before on LD but I would like to say again what a
great guy Lorenzo is to work with.  My latest dealings with him were a month
or so ago.  I had inquired about having a new neck installed and some
electronic work done.  He called back shortly after.  First off, he talked me
out of the neck I was considering.  They do still carry this particular neck
and have it available if needed but Lorenzo told me that more than a few
musicians had been unhappy with them and that I should probably think twice
about that decision.  -this, by the way, would obviously cost him money but
he seems to have the best interests of his customers in mind.

Also, during the same call, he brought up the fact that he had modified the
routing of the Kleins under the pickguard and that the new instruments sound
a lot more 'lively'.  He then said that if I wanted to, I should send him my
instrument and he would do the routing for free because as he puts it..."it
should've been done like that all along!"  More money out of his pocket in
his efforts to please his customers.

I believe that ten months is not too long a time to wait for an instrument
you'll probably cherish for years and years to come!   -Todd --part1_39.174a5a8d.287a53f7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24609; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.923fb17.287a55eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:33:47 EDT Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.923fb17.287a55eb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8c.923fb17.287a55eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...did I mean defiantly or definitely? cursed spell check! --part1_8c.923fb17.287a55eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...did I mean defiantly or definitely?  cursed spell check! --part1_8c.923fb17.287a55eb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 22:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29380; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:33:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Againinator Prototype Image From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107080440.AAA10324@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2gTJG.A.uKH.teRS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooh, that is SO gross . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 01:09:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03409; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:07:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:07:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B493C86.3D8C2824@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:09:26 -0700 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: OT Nady mixer question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone used any of the Nady mixers? I'm looking for an affordable (couple hundred for me) 12 channel or so mixer and saw these new for somewhere in that neighborhood. I know the scoop on Behringer (some like 'em, some flog them for their manufacturing choices and intellectual property theft) so I'm keeping my mind open and looking around. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 01:42:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04102; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB444@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 01:33:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10838.AE4D3210" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10838.AE4D3210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** okay. i gotta say if you love the klien, you love the klien - - not a copy. ten months is a long time but you'll be getting the real deal. if the guy's really gonna make a "copy" why all the equivocation about the woods and all that? did you fall in love with a roman copy of the klien? ever play one of roman's guitars? having known some makers (and playing their stuff after 16 years), i think that the copy thing is lame. the real thing is what you want in my opinion. stig (apologies to chris muir fro posting directly back to him due to lame e-mail program . . . ) I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon after I played one (and fell in love with it) I found out that their is a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having Ed Roman of www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I wanted a Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I played had one and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but raise the price and went on to suggest that I should get one of his composite necks that have been formulated to sound like wood. The klien that I played was also made of basswood and Ed said that kind of wood was inferior to a something like korina which is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of transtrem would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be right for a tremelo? Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you feel to be appropriate. Wow, Lorenzo is busy! I have a chambered swamp ash Klein with Joe Barden pickups. When I ordered it in the summer of 97, the wait time was four months. But about one month after I ordered it, Lorenzo called me and said he had a guitar returned to him - unbelievable, but the guy didn't like it - and it was a natural-colored chambered swamp ash, like I wanted. He installed the JBs and the custom pots I wanted, and it was my guitar. To me, it's worth every penny I paid. It's the guitar that goes to every gig. I also own some vintage jazz boxes, and i love them, but they don't do what the Klein does. It usually takes me a year just to get used to a guitar, and if me and the guitar can't agree with each other, I sell it. The Klein stays. So if you have to wait 10 months, I say "big deal". All I know from Ed Roman is from the one phone conversation I've had with him, and that wasn't pleasant. His words didn't match his "policies" or anything else his website promises. I don't trust him. But that's me. Others may be perfectly happy with him. On the other hand, Lorenzo has always been very helpful and truthful. I bet he doesn't have much time to talk these days. He doesn't need to hustle to sell guitars. There are downsides to playing a Klein. Kids will gawk and ask questions. So will adults, especially if they've been drinking. (Ted Waitt, CEO of Gateway computers, was the latest gawker, Friday night. He could afford a Klein, right?) People will ask stupid questions and wait for answers. Oh well. Kevin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10838.AE4D3210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players

** okay. i gotta say if you love the klien, you love = the klien - - not a copy. ten months is a long time but you'll be = getting the real deal. if the guy's really gonna make a = "copy" why all the equivocation about the woods and all that? = did you fall in love with a roman copy of the klien? ever play one of = roman's guitars?

having known some makers (and playing their stuff = after 16 years), i think that the copy thing is lame.

the real thing is what you want in my opinion.

stig

(apologies to chris muir fro posting directly back to = him due to lame e-mail program . . . )


I was thinking about getting a Klein guitar but soon = after I

played one (and fell in love with it) I found out = that their is

a ten month waiting list. So I thought about having = Ed Roman of

www.world class guitars build me a copy. I told him I = wanted a

Klien that has a rosewood neck, because the one I = played had one

and he told me that rosewood didnt do anything but = raise the

price and went on to suggest that I should get one of = his

composite necks that have been formulated to sound = like wood.

The klien that I played was also made of basswood and = Ed said

that kind of wood was inferior to a something like = korina which

is his suggestion. Ed also told that the addition of = transtrem

would raise the price 1300 Dollars!? Can that be = right for a

tremelo?


Thanks in advance reply on or off list which ever you = feel to be

appropriate.





Wow, Lorenzo is busy!  

I have a chambered swamp ash Klein with Joe Barden = pickups.  When I
ordered
it in the summer of 97, the wait time was four = months.  But about one
month
after I ordered it, Lorenzo called me and said he = had a guitar returned
to
him - unbelievable, but the guy didn't like it - and = it was a
natural-colored
chambered swamp ash, like I wanted.  He = installed the JBs and the custom
pots
I wanted, and it was my guitar.  

To me, it's worth every penny I paid.  It's the = guitar that goes to
every
gig.  I also own some vintage jazz boxes, and i = love them, but they
don't do
what the Klein does.  It usually takes me a = year just to get used to a
guitar, and if me and the guitar can't agree with = each other, I sell it.
The
Klein stays.  So if you have to wait 10 months, = I say "big deal".  

All I know from Ed Roman is from the one phone = conversation I've had
with
him, and that wasn't pleasant.  His words = didn't match his "policies" or

anything else his website promises.  I don't = trust him.  But that's me.

Others may be perfectly happy with him.  On the = other hand, Lorenzo has
always been very helpful and truthful.  I bet = he doesn't have much time
to
talk these days.  He doesn't need to hustle to = sell guitars.

There are downsides to playing a Klein.  Kids = will gawk and ask
questions.  
So will adults, especially if they've been = drinking.  (Ted Waitt, CEO of

Gateway computers, was the latest gawker, Friday = night.  He could afford
a
Klein, right?)  People will ask stupid = questions and wait for answers.
Oh
well.

Kevin

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10838.AE4D3210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 06:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13090; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:06:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c10795$44348a20$21aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:03:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, Marc, but what a member posts to the list goes to all members. You can't choose which member should or shouldn't receive a specific message. It's all or none. Bill -----Original Message----- From: marc roche To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, July 08, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 remove ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #224 EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #224 July 5, 2001. [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 06:11:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13327; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:09:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c10795$af08de00$21aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: cursed spell check Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:06:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I defy you to be definite. 8-) -----Original Message----- From: THusken@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players >...did I mean defiantly or definitely? cursed spell check! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 10:16:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21280; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:13:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012401c10882$0d80cc80$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: , References: <001601c10795$44348a20$21aa5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:18:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd prefer not to receive your play lists at all, but get it anyway because I subscribe to all sorts of lists. How about you stop sending it to all these lists, start your own Yahoo list and give people a choice in the matter? db ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox > Sorry, Marc, but what a member posts to the list goes to all members. You can't > choose which member should or shouldn't receive a specific message. It's all or > none. > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #224 July 5, 2001. > [snip] > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 10:36:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21960; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B49BFEA.7A560028@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:30:02 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro gl [ lance glover Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2CDE64A880044939804F2F52" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------2CDE64A880044939804F2F52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McMaster-Carr carries velcro in 60" width: www.mcmaster.com -Hans > > Two: Where could I find a large piece of that velcro backing that > pre-manufactured pedal boards come with? I picked up several packs of > industrial strength velcro strips that support the weight of my > individual > pedals / boxes, but I think for ease of pedal placement (and > RE-placement) > I'll want to cover the entire board with that stuff so that I can > place the > pedals anywhere I want (and be able to later change my mind. ;) > > mike > --------------2CDE64A880044939804F2F52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
McMaster-Carr carries velcro in 60" width: www.mcmaster.com

-Hans


    Two:  Where could I find a large piece of that velcro backing that
pre-manufactured pedal boards come with?  I picked up several packs of
industrial strength velcro strips that support the weight of my individual
pedals / boxes, but I think for ease of pedal placement (and RE-placement)
I'll want to cover the entire board with that stuff so that I can place the
pedals anywhere I want (and be able to later change my mind.  ;)

    mike

--------------2CDE64A880044939804F2F52-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 10:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22193; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c10884$56cc0100$56b61597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <001601c10795$44348a20$21aa5cd1@-> <012401c10882$0d80cc80$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:35:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill have you EVER thought that not everybody here CAN listen to a small FM station from Allentown? or are we all from US? I don't send my stuff since I know the majority of people here would never be able to get to it anyways. Evidently you never thought about that! Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #224 > I'd prefer not to receive your play lists at all, > but get it anyway because I subscribe to all > sorts of lists. How about you stop sending it > to all these lists, start your own Yahoo list > and give people a choice in the matter? > > db > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Fox > > > Sorry, Marc, but what a member posts to the list goes to all members. You > can't > > choose which member should or shouldn't receive a specific message. It's > all or > > none. > > > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > > > Show #224 July 5, 2001. > > [snip] > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 12:20:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26879; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: Intriguing loop project Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:16:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Just came across a link to this site in the "news" section of Eno-web (http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/). Apparently Brian donated some equipment to them that they can sell to raise funds. http://homepage.mac.com/publicloop/aboutfr1.html Info is available at the "news" section at that site. The layout is a little clumsy for my liking, but one can get around. You have to click on the pictures at the top of the page to navigate. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 12:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27088; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:20:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:20:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <3dbooy@jazzcyber.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c10892$e2ba6b80$8200523e@tueresmas> From: "Adolf e-m@il" <3dbooy@jazzcyber.com> To: Subject: unsuscribe! Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:19:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C108A3.A52F0C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C108A3.A52F0C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsuscribe! thanks for all! ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C108A3.A52F0C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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thanks for all!
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C108A3.A52F0C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00348; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B49F1CB.7C706E69@pa.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:02:51 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request References: <3.0.5.32.20010704080519.007c5170@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_8cQ4D.A.BF.rJfS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I use the self-adhesive velcro all the time. Not just for my pedal boards, but for household repairs as well. And I keep running into the same problem: the velcro - velcro bond is stronger than the bond between the adhesive and whatever I'm trying to mount the velcro on. The result is that when I try to remove the top item, the velcro stays bonded together, and the lower layer of velcro is pulled off whatever it was mounted on. Any suggestions? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01165; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4A139D.509A63D7@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:27:09 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request References: <3.0.5.32.20010704080519.007c5170@pop.ici.net> <3B49F1CB.7C706E69@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John McIntyre wrote: > > OK, I use the self-adhesive velcro all the time. Not just for my pedal boards, > but for household repairs as well. > > And I keep running into the same problem: the velcro - velcro bond is stronger > than the bond between the adhesive and whatever I'm trying to mount the velcro > on. The result is that when I try to remove the top item, the velcro stays > bonded together, and the lower layer of velcro is pulled off whatever it was > mounted on. > > Any suggestions? I use velcro in my racks and glue them with "contact glue" I'm sorry thats the name translated from french its the type of glue where you apply on both sides then let dry untill complete "touch dry" usually 10mn then press strongly once for all it is a rubber glue that can be found in different strenght go for the strong one It is important for any gluing to de-grease both parts with alcool or solvent hope this helps Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:34:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01277; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , John McIntyre Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B49F1CB.7C706E69@pa.msu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com staple gun and spray-on adhesive.... That's what I'm planning on using anyway. =) that aeroson adhesive in a can would stick the wheels of your car to the road if you let it, I'm convinced. =) the staples would basically serve to hold the item in place while the adhesive dries, then would serve as supplemental support. mike on 7/9/01 1.02 PM, John McIntyre at mcintyre@pa.msu.edu wrote: > OK, I use the self-adhesive velcro all the time. Not just for my pedal > boards, > but for household repairs as well. > > And I keep running into the same problem: the velcro - velcro bond is stronger > than the bond between the adhesive and whatever I'm trying to mount the velcro > on. The result is that when I try to remove the top item, the velcro stays > bonded together, and the lower layer of velcro is pulled off whatever it was > mounted on. > > Any suggestions? > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01831; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4A1675.BA8AF90C@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:39:17 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: _unsubscribe_ is the mission if you agree to read me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----------------------------DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL SHOW YOU VERY UNPOLITE MESSAGES FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD 1-go to you browser preferences and set you Email client to send plain text (NO HTML) with No signature file 2-click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3-delete your signature, etc... make your message blank 4-double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD then copy (contr+C ) 5-place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (contr+V) 5-place cursor in Body of the message Paste (contr+V) 7-click send Bye bye Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02138; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:45:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2436.0001 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2436.0001 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 18:45:42.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B46ECE0:01C108A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > staple gun and spray-on adhesive.... I couldn't get the staple gun to work on my Ernie Ball volume pedal.... .... joking..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 15:12:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04124; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.38.145.200] From: "Brian Parker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:09:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 19:09:53.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC4BEEC0:01C108AA] Resent-Message-ID: <7qq4XD.A.-_.hGgS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Hey,
I just joined the loopers delight list. I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i read.
If you are a dj, what are you using for gear?
 
Currently i'm set up with a Pioneer DJM600, 2 12's, just sold my kaoss pad, wait-listed for a Red Sound Cycloops, many external effectors. If anyone on the list has used a Cycloops what did you think?
Thanks ,
Brian  

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08240; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:50:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:50:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010709125130.02050c40@beatnik.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:48:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: [gig] Tonight in Santa Cruz, Ca: Bass Loop Tour final show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to remind all the bay area and central coast Californians about the final night of the Bass Looping Tour that ends tonight (July 9) in Santa Cruz at the Rio Theatre. Featuring: Michael Manring, Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, Max Valentino and the Manring/Walker/Lawson Trio. I caught the awesome show last night in San Jose. Packed room, with excellent audience reception from a pretty varied crowd. And talk about varied - don't miss Rick's slew of instruments (looped and unlooped, water based, plastic based, nose based, toys, ...). Don't miss tonight's show! 1205 Soquel Ave Santa Cruz, CA 95062 (831) 423-2000 Map (url is probably wrapped, so cut and paste the line back together): http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/database?link=btwn/twn-yp_map_results&event=draw_map&uid=u6l407p7scbeuoud:8x5u8nufy&SNVData=&company_name=Rio+Theatre&address=1205+Soquel+Ave&city=Santa+Cruz&state=CA&zip=95062&phone=(831)423-2000&abi=103359279 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:03:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11716; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010709165938.007ce9d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:59:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PEDAL BOARDS and an OT Velcro glue substitute request In-Reply-To: <3B49F1CB.7C706E69@pa.msu.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20010704080519.007c5170@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:02 PM 7/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >And I keep running into the same problem: the velcro - velcro bond is stronger >than the bond between the adhesive and whatever I'm trying to mount the velcro >on. The result is that when I try to remove the top item, the velcro stays >bonded together, and the lower layer of velcro is pulled off whatever it was >mounted on. > >Any suggestions? If you're using both pieces (as opposed to sticking it to carpet), tack the bottom piece down to the board with heavy-duty staples. Then when repositioning the pedals, hold that piece in place while you lift. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17282; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:00:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:58:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01c108d3$099a18a0$8c6a580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippet- >routing of the Kleins under the pickguard and that the new instruments sound >a lot more 'lively'. He then said that if I wanted to, I should send him my >instrument and he would do the routing for free because as he Todd - Yep, and it sounds like it's gonna be a great addition, or is that subtraction to a mighty fine instrument! Jeremiah - Funny this thread came up, I just placed my Klein order last week! When Lorenzo advised of the ten month wait, I really only thought about backing out for a second, then I realized that there is nowhere else to get an instrument of this quality with my specific requests at the price i'm paying, no matter how long I wait (DeLap is a good thought, but his waiting list is longer and well i'm not as fond of his instruments, though i've only tried one of his guitars out). That coupled with having played a few Kleins and Lorenzo's more than proven track record helped in making the right decision, at least for me. I personally do not know ER from a moron with a few Steinberger-type parts at his disposal. One quick and weird phone conversation a year ago answered all of my questions as to his trustworthiness. One last thought, I would highly suggest you check out any instrument (even a rough version) before you decide on buying same. Trying one type of luthier's instrument and having someone else tell you he can build it better, faster and quite possibly for more money with never having tried out the second luthier's work is, well,...not a very bright idea. Hope ya get what you desire and can use! PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 21:49:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23960; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.103.132] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? 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I have not ventured to that level as of yet. I have done some research on the Cyclops, and it seems to be a "neat" device. But I have not seen one in action.

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Subject: Any dj's using loops live?
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:09:53

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------=_NextPart_000_7a5e_2ab0_70e7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:14:28 -0700 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD134D6E00C34004321CCFE4EE0908CF0; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:14:05 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04104; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.38.145.200] From: "Brian Parker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:09:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 19:09:53.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC4BEEC0:01C108AA] Resent-Message-ID: <7qq4XD.A.-_.hGgS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Hey,
I just joined the loopers delight list. I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i read.
If you are a dj, what are you using for gear?
 
Currently i'm set up with a Pioneer DJM600, 2 12's, just sold my kaoss pad, wait-listed for a Red Sound Cycloops, many external effectors. If anyone on the list has used a Cycloops what did you think?
Thanks ,
Brian  

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------=_NextPart_000_7a5e_2ab0_70e7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 21:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24462; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:42:56 -0400 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performace w John Dirac Quintet/CLUB Z @ Zeitgeist 14 July (sat) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folk, I'm performing video improvisations in Cambridge this Saturday night as part of subconsciouscafe Ahistorical Music Series @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY Presents Saturday, July 14 9pm/11pm $7 suggested 9pm: The John Dirac Sextet Members & alums of the renowned Either/Orchestra and friends in a concert of jazz originals and cosmopolitan covers! 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 22:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26935; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:28:41 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:09 PM +0000 7/9/01, Brian Parker wrote: >I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using >samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did >look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i read. >If you are a dj, what are you using for gear? I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or their audience) but for a long time I have performed with a combination of playback media, live performers, and signal processors that include looping. The setup varies, but among my favorite processors are the Eventide H3000 and DSP4000, and the TC2290. All three of these devices can perform looping functions in either a regenerating delay mode or a sampling mode. One favorite hack with the H3000 is to control the playback parameters (start and end point, playback rate, pitch transposition) with faders. The H3000's Sampler can loop two voices independently, so I use eight faders. One particularly interesting thing is to move the end point earlier than the start point so that the sample plays backwards. The DSP4000 has a sampling function that can immediately play back in reverse, so I can capture a live sample and then play it back immediately either forward or in reverse. This is especially interesting with live voice, and I've done a lot of this with a story teller. I control the TC2290 with MIDI, and I am able to address all its parameters with system exclusive messages. One favorite looping hack is to control a pair of 2290s and to move the playback "window" forward and back in time. The two loops can be the same length but offset in time, or they can be of different lengths. For prerecorded playback I use CDs and cassette tapes (when I started doing this there weren't any CDs yet). On occasion I've used looping cassettes, but mostly I use regular cassette recordings of music ranging from assorted world music to classical to avant garde instrumental and electronic music (it's interesting to hear Satie and Nono superimposed). One of my cassette decks is a Tascam Porta One (I bought it in 1985). This is a cassette portastudio that runs at regular cassette speed, so you can play any normally recorded cassette. The interesting thing is that while "Side A" is playing back normally, "Side B" is playing back in reverse. The faders on the Porta One allow simple fading in and out of the tracks. I mix all this stuff with a Mackie 1604, and I've devised a patching system that allows me to audition signals before sending them into the main mix. The 1604 has four outputs, of which 3 and 4 are considered an Alternate or "Alt" pair. I use these outputs as my mail feed to the PA system. When I want to audition something with headphones I have that channel in normal mode, routed to outputs 1 and 2 (which aren't hooked up to anything but which feed into the headphones). Then when I want to send the signal to the main mix I punch in the "Alt" button for that channel. In recent years most of my performances have been with the band Cosmic Debris. I had signal feeds from all the other performers: voice, flute, keyboard, bass, percussion loops, and sometimes from two cassettes and a CD player. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 23:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29726; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:15:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c108ef$48ebbf60$5b122818@norr1.pa.home.com> From: "Andrew Wing" To: References: <010a01c106b7$f652fc20$6401a8c0@nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: endless loop tapes Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:20:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <7Digu.A.ePH.eMnS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "diatom drone" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: endless loop tapes > 1. what's the easiest way to kill that gap/pop ? I've had good luck with a tiny dab of superglue. Also a splicing kit will do if you're very careful with butting the ends together. > 2. is there any way to record on the other side? What do you mean? The flip side of the tape? My splices hold up for playing backwards in a 4 track cassette machine. If you mean the back side of the tape, no, it has no oxide on it to record to. > actually any help getting me pointed in the right direction for > experimenting with tape would be great. i'm already having a lot of fun > sampling this horrible giant scorpion movie off tv and playing with the > playback speed and eq. Sounds like some of the stuff I've done :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 23:36:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30451; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:35:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:35:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:06:08 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: endless loop tapes In-reply-to: <003901c108ef$48ebbf60$5b122818@norr1.pa.home.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <8PUNn.A.hbH.WfnS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New to the (awesom) list after wonderful "bass looping festival" in san jose-- wow!, just spent the day messing with karlette and other pseudo looping caca on cubase cause i don't have any looping hardware yet but otherwise totally motivated by the bass looping experience, any dedicated VSt looping plug ins exist-say that will record loops from a midi sustain pedal??? Used to loop 1/4 inch tape on 4 tracks with paper over the erase head of one of them or a variable resistor and a wood block for a pedal and the other 4 track about 20 feet awy with an extra reel suspended from a boom stand to support the loop midway. While i respect your suggestion, I have seen some of the damage even the mist(which is exuded for days after seemingly drying) from superglue can do to plastics and metal (although it could be argued that there are adhesives on splicing tape-another good reason to get better at minimizing the gap)and would just practice making better splices. It can be done "seamlessly" with practice for sure. Sincerely, Glenn on 7/9/01 8:20 PM, Andrew Wing at spam.dot@home.com wrote: >> 1. what's the easiest way to kill that gap/pop ? > > I've had good luck with a tiny dab of superglue. Also a splicing kit > will do if you're very careful with > butting the ends together. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 23:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30961; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:46:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:46:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <94.16901941.287bd45b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:45:31 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <9tm-P.A.FjH.AqnS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone said: >When Lorenzo advised of the ten month wait, I really only thought about backing >out for a second, then I realized that there is nowhere else to get an >instrument of this quality with my specific requests at the price i'm >paying, no matter how long I wait well, i'm really pleased w/the teuffel tesla, so far: highly flexible (personalised, odd) electronics, w/great sounding pickups, and the wait-time is not nearly that long. OTOH: the klein is certainly a fantastic instrument, well worth the wait, if that's what yer after..... best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 02:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06742; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:43:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:43:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c1090c$5417fbc0$94936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <001601c10795$44348a20$21aa5cd1@-> <012401c10882$0d80cc80$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> <000701c10884$56cc0100$56b61597@default> Subject: Re: relevantirrelevantrelevantirrelevant.... Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:47:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I generally tell people when and where I'm playing - though nobody ever shows up!! Is a plane ticket from the USA THAT expensive?? I do it not in the expectation of swelling audience numbers but just letting people know that my looping is live and kicking. I'm personally not too bothered about less than relevant announcements - it's not that hard to hit delete is it? Gareth > have you EVER thought that not everybody here CAN listen to a small FM > station from Allentown? > or are we all from US? I don't send my stuff since I know the majority of > people here would never be able to get to it anyways. > Evidently you never thought about that! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 03:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09544; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <124.16be04f.287c0e6e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:53:18 EDT Subject: Bleen vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <6faIl.A.7TC.VSrS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com share your vortex patches at the Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 03:56:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09692; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:53:20 EDT Subject: EDP undocumented feature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found a very useful feature for which I couldn't find any documentation (either in the manual or on th Loopers Delight site) When using NextLoop I found that if SampleMode was set to Attack the new loop would always start from the begining immediatly (with SwitchQuant set to Confirm or Off). This is a feature I very much wanted, although I can see why you'd wan't to use the default which is to return to the loop "where you left it". Well thanks to "whoever" put that in place. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 04:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12746; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c1091d$e4cc9980$c3761e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP undocumented feature Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:54:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4_P4HD.A.pGD.XKsS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the tip Andy- sounds cool- I'll have to check that out- Cliff pS- anyone have their Vortex stop displaying morph data using expression pedal? mine still works but the data does not display- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: EDP undocumented feature > > I found a very useful feature for which I couldn't find any documentation > (either in the manual or on th Loopers Delight site) > When using NextLoop I found that if SampleMode was > set to Attack the new loop would always start > from the begining immediatly (with SwitchQuant set to Confirm or Off). > This is a feature I very much wanted, although I can see > why you'd wan't to use the default which is to return to the > loop "where you left it". > > Well thanks to "whoever" put that in place. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19246; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c10930$a4cf1700$91926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3B467D74.796B@earthlink.net><5.0.2.1.1.20010707104613.009f8aa0@pop.mindspring.com> <004201c10721$6de390b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:08:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <13HFJD.A.SsE.0CuS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone using a laptop/pc/mac might find this relevant. http://www.OhmForce.com It's a delay plugin with filters, lfo's etc. What's bleen? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:44:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20148; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010710114211.2410.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c10930$a4cf1700$91926fd4@y5w2s5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nothing much. What's bleen happening with you? John --- whiteoakstudios wrote: > What's bleen? Bleen are 2 of the presets on the Lexicon Vortex. Whenever I hear something processed thru the Bleen B preset, I think of BB's bouncing on a formica table top. JT ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:54:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20584; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Re: Klein questions for klein, and guitar players Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01c1093f$13258460$8d67580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snip --- price i'm >>paying, no matter how long I wait >well, i'm really pleased w/the teuffel tesla, so far: >highly flexible (personalised, odd) electronics, w/great sounding pickups, and >the wait-time is not nearly that long. dt do tell, how is the tesla, were you able to get one outfitted with a transtrem? Would you consider it another strange beast in your arsenal or is it becoming your "primary" instrument? Have you had an opportunity to record with same? >OTOH: >the klein is certainly a fantastic instrument, well worth the wait, if that's >what yer after..... word :) > >best, >dt / s-c > thanks, PedrOOrdeP > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 09:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25298; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:31:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:31:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> References: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:31:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP undocumented feature Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1RTufC.A.9KG.FOwS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I found a very useful feature for which I couldn't find any documentation >(either in the manual or on th Loopers Delight site) >When using NextLoop I found that if SampleMode was >set to Attack the new loop would always start >from the begining immediatly (with SwitchQuant set to Confirm or Off). >This is a feature I very much wanted, although I can see >why you'd wan't to use the default which is to return to the >loop "where you left it". > >Well thanks to "whoever" put that in place. me, you are welcome. In fact it may have been Keith McMillan who suggested this. If you set to STA it also starts at the beginning and does not stop at the end of the note as with Att. I dont think Att depends on SwitchQuant, since its really meant as "play samples from keyboard" mode (even attack velocity dependent, if you want). I am amazed that its not documented... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 09:39:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25690; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4B2014.98E3FA43@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:32:36 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP undocumented feature References: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: SNIP > me, you are welcome. In fact it may have been Keith McMillan who > suggested this. > If you set to STA it also starts at the beginning and does not stop > at the end of the note as with Att. (STA) Errr this is not yet in the current OS.... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 09:54:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26325; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.103.230] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DF65C30:01C10947] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

HuH ?

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From: Richard Zvonar
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live?
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:28:41 -0700
At 7:09 PM +0000 7/9/01, Brian Parker wrote:
>I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using
>samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did
>look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i
>read.
>If you are a dj, what are you using for gear?
I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or their audience)
but for a long time I have performed with a combination of playback
media, live performers, and signal processors that include looping.
The setup varies, but among my favorite processors are the Eventide
H3000 and DSP4000, and the TC2290. All three of these devices can
perform looping functions in either a regenerating delay mode or a
sampling mode. One favorite hack with the H3000 is to control the
playback parameters (start and end point, playback rate, pitch
transposition) with faders. The H3000's Sampler can loop two voices
independently, so I use eight faders. One particularly interesting
thing is to move the end point earlier than the start point so that
the sample plays backwards.
The DSP4000 has a sampling function that can immediately play back in
reverse, so I can capture a live sample and then play it back
immediately either forward or in reverse. This is especially
interesting with live voice, and I've done a lot of this with a story
teller.
I control the TC2290 with MIDI, and I am able to address all its
parameters with system exclusive messages. One favorite looping hack
is to control a pair of 2290s and to move the playback "window"
forward and back in time. The two loops can be the same length but
offset in time, or they can be of different lengths.
For prerecorded playback I use CDs and cassette tapes (when I started
doing this there weren't any CDs yet). On occasion I've used looping
cassettes, but mostly I use regular cassette recordings of music
ranging from assorted world music to classical to avant garde
instrumental and electronic music (it's interesting to hear Satie and
Nono superimposed). One of my cassette decks is a Tascam Porta One (I
bought it in 1985). This is a cassette portastudio that runs at
regular cassette speed, so you can play any normally recorded
cassette. The interesting thing is that while "Side A" is playing
back normally, "Side B" is playing back in reverse. The faders on the
Porta One allow simple fading in and out of the tracks.
I mix all this stuff with a Mackie 1604, and I've devised a patching
system that allows me to audition signals before sending them into
the main mix. The 1604 has four outputs, of which 3 and 4 are
considered an Alternate or "Alt" pair. I use these outputs as my
mail feed to the PA system. When I want to audition something with
headphones I have that channel in normal mode, routed to outputs 1
and 2 (which aren't hooked up to anything but which feed into the
headphones). Then when I want to send the signal to the main mix I
punch in the "Alt" button for that channel.
In recent years most of my performances have been with the band
Cosmic Debris. I had signal feeds from all the other performers:
voice, flute, keyboard, bass, percussion loops, and sometimes from
two cassettes and a CD player.
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Richard Zvonar ,

to quote you "I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or their audience)'

What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's and their auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey.

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------=_NextPart_000_2afb_6a42_6191 Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:54:01 -0700 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1453B2009C40043113CFE4EE090DA80; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:53:05 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26294; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.103.230] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DF65C30:01C10947] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

HuH ?

----Original Message Follows----
From: Richard Zvonar
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live?
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:28:41 -0700
At 7:09 PM +0000 7/9/01, Brian Parker wrote:
>I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using
>samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did
>look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i
>read.
>If you are a dj, what are you using for gear?
I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or their audience)
but for a long time I have performed with a combination of playback
media, live performers, and signal processors that include looping.
The setup varies, but among my favorite processors are the Eventide
H3000 and DSP4000, and the TC2290. All three of these devices can
perform looping functions in either a regenerating delay mode or a
sampling mode. One favorite hack with the H3000 is to control the
playback parameters (start and end point, playback rate, pitch
transposition) with faders. The H3000's Sampler can loop two voices
independently, so I use eight faders. One particularly interesting
thing is to move the end point earlier than the start point so that
the sample plays backwards.
The DSP4000 has a sampling function that can immediately play back in
reverse, so I can capture a live sample and then play it back
immediately either forward or in reverse. This is especially
interesting with live voice, and I've done a lot of this with a story
teller.
I control the TC2290 with MIDI, and I am able to address all its
parameters with system exclusive messages. One favorite looping hack
is to control a pair of 2290s and to move the playback "window"
forward and back in time. The two loops can be the same length but
offset in time, or they can be of different lengths.
For prerecorded playback I use CDs and cassette tapes (when I started
doing this there weren't any CDs yet). On occasion I've used looping
cassettes, but mostly I use regular cassette recordings of music
ranging from assorted world music to classical to avant garde
instrumental and electronic music (it's interesting to hear Satie and
Nono superimposed). One of my cassette decks is a Tascam Porta One (I
bought it in 1985). This is a cassette portastudio that runs at
regular cassette speed, so you can play any normally recorded
cassette. The interesting thing is that while "Side A" is playing
back normally, "Side B" is playing back in reverse. The faders on the
Porta One allow simple fading in and out of the tracks.
I mix all this stuff with a Mackie 1604, and I've devised a patching
system that allows me to audition signals before sending them into
the main mix. The 1604 has four outputs, of which 3 and 4 are
considered an Alternate or "Alt" pair. I use these outputs as my
mail feed to the PA system. When I want to audition something with
headphones I have that channel in normal mode, routed to outputs 1
and 2 (which aren't hooked up to anything but which feed into the
headphones). Then when I want to send the signal to the main mix I
punch in the "Alt" button for that channel.
In recent years most of my performances have been with the band
Cosmic Debris. I had signal feeds from all the other performers:
voice, flute, keyboard, bass, percussion loops, and sometimes from
two cassettes and a CD player.
--
______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD
(818) 788-2202
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone
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------=_NextPart_000_2afb_6a42_6191-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 10:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28755; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c1094d$472a97b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C10923.5E0FBE80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_v0kOB.A.wAH.YLxS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C10923.5E0FBE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand your aggression. What's up? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Parker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Richard Zvonar , to quote you "I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or = their audience)'=20 What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm = looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add loops = to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's and their = auduences DO consider them dj's. dj=3D'disc' jockey.=20 BP -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C10923.5E0FBE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't understand your = aggression.  What's=20 up?
 
Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Parker=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 = 2:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: Any dj's using = loops live?=20 (R. Zvonar)

Richard Zvonar ,

to quote you "I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs = or=20 their audience)'

What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. = I'm=20 looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who = add loops=20 to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's and their=20 auduences DO consider them dj's. dj=3D'disc' jockey.

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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C10923.5E0FBE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30707; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c10952$89442f80$a0926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you HAVE o be so uncivil. I suggest you spend some time in a chill out zone. Gareth >What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm looking for people who mix vinyl or >cd's in clubs or raves who add loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's and their >auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey. >BP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:07:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30719; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c10952$8883ecc0$a0926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <20010710114211.2410.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Nothing much. What's bleen happening with you? hehe > > John > > --- whiteoakstudios > wrote: > > > What's bleen? > > > Bleen are 2 of the presets on the Lexicon Vortex. > Whenever I hear something processed thru the Bleen B > preset, I think of BB's bouncing on a formica table > top. What're BB's ? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:30:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31279; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:22:35 -0400 Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002a01c10952$8883ecc0$a0926fd4@y5w2s5> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/10/01 11:05 AM, whiteoakstudios at whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: >> Bleen are 2 of the presets on the Lexicon Vortex. >> Whenever I hear something processed thru the Bleen B >> preset, I think of BB's bouncing on a formica table >> top. > > What're BB's ? > > Gareth What're formica ? DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:31:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30704; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c10951$eb875380$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: <009901c1094d$472a97b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:06:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10930.64329000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10930.64329000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Brian, I do think that most of the people on this list are here to share the = best of their knowledge and experience with sampling/looping gear and = their results. If you want to go searching for dj's only, I think the = Astralwerks/Unknownwerks list may be back up and you might find some = luck there. Jehn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Leas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) I don't understand your aggression. What's up? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Parker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Richard Zvonar , to quote you "I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or = their audience)'=20 What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm = looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add loops = to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's and their = auduences DO consider them dj's. dj=3D'disc' jockey.=20 BP -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10930.64329000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Brian,
I do think that most of the people on = this list are=20 here to share the best of their knowledge and experience with = sampling/looping=20 gear and their results. If you want to go searching for dj's only, I = think the=20 Astralwerks/Unknownwerks list may be back up and you might find some = luck=20 there.
Jehn
 
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I don't understand your = aggression.  What's=20 up?
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Parker=20
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Subject: Re: Any dj's using = loops live?=20 (R. Zvonar)

Richard Zvonar ,

to quote you "I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most = DJs or=20 their audience)'

What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. = I'm=20 looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who = add=20 loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's = and their=20 auduences DO consider them dj's. dj=3D'disc' jockey.

BP


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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10930.64329000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:52:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32466; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4BCCBF.D700B120@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:49:19 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: relevantirrelevantrelevantirrelevant.... References: <001601c10795$44348a20$21aa5cd1@-> <012401c10882$0d80cc80$df9d0318@union1.nj.home.com> <000701c10884$56cc0100$56b61597@default> <000201c1090c$5417fbc0$94936fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know, I usually stay quiet in these respects, but I think I have to agree with the fact that what you're doing is a bit more than letting people know about a local show. You really should just start a private mailing list. I get emails from bands telling me of their shows (Crowsong) but I REQUESTED the email, and I live close enough to actually go to the show. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 12:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02261; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <93.cfde101.287c84a5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:17:41 EDT Subject: OT: tesla questions (gtr) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pf, >dt do tell, how is the tesla, fantastic. >were you able to get one outfitted with a transtrem? currently, i'm using one of the 7-stringers; my transtrem-fitted 6-string shld arrive, here, within the next week: exciting! (i'll return the 7-string to dr. teuffel, or matte henderson'll buy it--- it's an amazing instrument, but i'm not a huge fan of fixed-bridges.....) >Would you consider it another strange beast in your arsenal >or is it becoming your "primary" instrument? my *intention* is for the tesla to become a primary instrument, but: it's true that i've been playing the klein for a very long time, now. my tesla has some very particular electronics in it, so that i can begin to integrate some of my previously 'external' techniques into the instrument, itself; eg, there are two feedback microphones built into my tesla, and a 1/4" input: all are instantaneously & rhythmically switchable. add'ly, we left (a little) space to add some 'controllers' for my looping devices, in the very near future: integration is a large part of what i'm pursuing. >Have you had an opportunity to record with same? indeed! very happily, thus far. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 12:37:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02970; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:35:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:35:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c1092c$6bd95220$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <94.16901941.287bd45b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Re: Klein questions// Teuffel Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 10:49:08.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2164A90:01C1092D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > well, i'm really pleased w/the teuffel tesla, so far: > highly flexible (personalised, odd) electronics, w/great sounding pickups, and > the wait-time is not nearly that long. How customizable is the basic guitar? --eg, could you get yours with 6 strings and a transtrem? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:09:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05197; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:07:48 -0400 Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001401c10930$a4cf1700$91926fd4@y5w2s5> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This looks pretty cool. Has anyone dealt with OhmForce? I'm a bit cautious about online transactions with unknown vendors, and they don't tale PayPal. But seems a very useful plugin for ten bucks... DLM on 7/10/01 7:08 AM, whiteoakstudios at whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: > Anyone using a laptop/pc/mac might find this relevant. > http://www.OhmForce.com > It's a delay plugin with filters, lfo's etc. > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:11:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05344; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:10:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:10:52 -0400 Subject: Re: relevantirrelevantrelevantirrelevant.... From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B4BCCBF.D700B120@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3HTPAC.A.QTB.XbzS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True if you live in DesMoines, but I feel that if you're talking about LA or NYC or London etc., we've so many members in large cities that it's justified. (Okay, I'm justifying an upcoming spam myself...) David Lee Myers on 7/10/01 11:49 PM, Mark at sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > You know, I usually stay quiet in these respects, but I think I have to agree > with the fact that what you're doing is a bit more than letting people know > about a local show. You really should just start a private mailing list. I > get > emails from bands telling me of their shows (Crowsong) but I REQUESTED the > email, and I live close enough to actually go to the show. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05521; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200107101712.NAA08574@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This looks pretty cool. Has anyone dealt with OhmForce? I'm a bit cautious > about online transactions with unknown vendors, and they don't tale PayPal. > But seems a very useful plugin for ten bucks... They also have a free plug-in, you could check that out too! (I can barely hear this week, allergies, it's keeping me drugged up and unmusical, or I'd check it myself...) Then if the free one were worth $10, then you could hardly lose... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:42:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06819; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:38:03 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:18 PM +0000 7/10/01, Brian Parker wrote: >What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm >looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add >loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's >and their auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey. OK, my young friend, I'll spell it out: Despite the fact that I'm an old codger who couldn't care less about the DJ scene per se, I have been using similar techniques in performance since you were in nappies. I try to be generous with my knowledge of performance technology, and I thought that despite the aesthetic differences between what DJs commonly do and the live electroacoustic music created by us old-timers there might be something of interest in what I described. Many of the hipper DJs and techno artists know the history of electroacoustic music, and the use this knowledge to enrich their own music. For this reason Pierre Henry is revered as the godfather of remix. In my experience, creative artists a quick to recognize useful concepts and techniques no matter where these may be found. Many of the tools used by electronic musicians had their origins in far different fields, by at one time or another someone was clever enough to realize how something could become useful in a musical context. In my response to your query I described several specific techniques that I have developed for my own work. While some of these may have been implemented with equipment that is outside your budget, that doesn't mean that they can't be achieved in some form with more affordable gear. I also made a point of the fact that I still use funky old equipment in combination with this other gear, because some of the old stuff has interesting features. Finally, I described a technique for wresting some unusual and useful functionality out of an otherwise fairly mundane mixer. Did you take my offering as an opportunity to learn something? Nope. Instead you just reacted to the fact that I'm not a DJ and flamed me for it. BTW - I do know that DJ stands for "Disk Jockey." I used to listen to Alan Freed and Murray the K. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:42:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06865; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [140.163.169.50] From: "roger foster" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:39:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 17:39:57.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[5667CFD0:01C10967] Resent-Message-ID: <7ANWf.A.BrB.M4zS7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)?
- Take .wav files off a pc
- Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?)
- Use a foot pedal as a trigger
- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, replacing the previous one.
Very simple desire.
Thanks.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 14:03:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08748; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:00:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 2:18 PM +0000 7/10/01, Brian Parker wrote: > > >What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm > >looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add > >loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's > >and their auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey. > > OK, my young friend, I'll spell it out: > > Despite the fact that I'm an old codger who couldn't care less about > the DJ scene per se, I have been using similar techniques in > performance since you were in nappies. [more well-crafted, richly deserved abuse follows!] Wince! not that he didn't deserve it. I might add that I've noticed this weird sort of attitude from DJs towards players and composers many times. I believe it's because they are subsconsciously aware that they depend on us for their material whereas we create our own material. There's also the aspect that as a DJ you can't really create intellectual property (like, get songwriting royalties) so it makes it hard to release CDs and make money that way. You have to keep working, spinning -- like a shark, if you stop moving, you sink to the bottom and die... /t -- semper ubi sub ubi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 14:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08966; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:05:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c1096a$dbecd800$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:04:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10930.26494220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3uaFgB.A.fLC.SP0S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10930.26494220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Get an SP303 I think which has a smart card- not sure if it takes wav = files.. hmm- but anyway- you can load samples from ouput of the = soundcard to the SP and it has nice backlit buttons for triggers- Om ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger foster=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take .wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?) - Use a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating = loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, = replacing the previous one. Very simple desire. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10930.26494220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Get an SP303 I think which has a smart card- not = sure if it=20 takes wav files.. hmm- but anyway- you can load samples from ouput of = the=20 soundcard to the SP and it has nice backlit buttons for triggers-=20 Om
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger=20 foster
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 = 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Simple Question about = Looping=20 Live

Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest = expense)?
- Take .wav files off a pc
- Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?)
- Use a foot pedal as a trigger
- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a = repeating=20 loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop,=20 replacing the previous one.
Very simple desire.
Thanks.

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10930.26494220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 14:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09263; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:11:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:11:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:13:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077608387_211797" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3077608387_211797 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Seems to me that the new Dr. Sample from Roland would do this just fine, bu= t I haven=B9t used it. Does anyone have it and can report on it? Kevin --=20 Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com --B_3077608387_211797 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Seems to me that the new Dr. Sample from Roland would = do this just fine, but I haven’t used it.  Does anyone have it an= d can report on it?

    Kevin

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 --B_3077608387_211797-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 14:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09376; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:13:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:13:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1096b$e5339c40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:12:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C10931.353B22C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C10931.353B22C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re SP-303.... it does import .wav direct from SmartMedia- but only see 1 = midi in and doesent say if functions can be controlled with midi via = external controller- damn, I may have to get one of these bad boys- = http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/sp303_b.htm Om ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger foster=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take .wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?) - Use a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating = loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, = replacing the previous one. Very simple desire. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C10931.353B22C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
re SP-303.... it does import .wav direct from = SmartMedia- but=20 only see 1 midi in and doesent say if functions can be controlled with = midi via=20 external controller- damn, I may have to get one of these bad boys- http= ://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/sp303_b.htm
Om
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger=20 foster
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 = 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Simple Question about = Looping=20 Live

Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest = expense)?
- Take .wav files off a pc
- Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?)
- Use a foot pedal as a trigger
- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a = repeating=20 loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop,=20 replacing the previous one.
Very simple desire.
Thanks.

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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C10931.353B22C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 14:42:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10347; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.167.3.10] From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:40:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1094E.328C0220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 18:39:39.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD791CE0:01C1096F] Resent-Message-ID: <6W8lhD.A.zgC.Lw0S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1094E.328C0220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bring the PC.. lol. I 2nd this post, I'm also trying to get out of my = box and into a gig situation, but there are so many options. I look = forward to hearing any responses as well. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger foster=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take .wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?) - Use a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating = loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, = replacing the previous one. Very simple desire. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1094E.328C0220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bring the PC.. lol.  I 2nd this = post, I'm also=20 trying to get out of my box and into a gig situation, but there are so = many=20 options.  I look forward to hearing any responses as = well.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger=20 foster
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 = 5:39=20 PM
Subject: Simple Question about = Looping=20 Live

Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest = expense)?
- Take .wav files off a pc
- Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?)
- Use a foot pedal as a trigger
- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a = repeating=20 loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop,=20 replacing the previous one.
Very simple desire.
Thanks.

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1094E.328C0220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16375; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710143207.007e7b50@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:32:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most inexpensive way I know at the moment is the Boss RC-20 loop station... -Good luck... Smiles, Goddess At 05:39 PM 7/10/01, you wrote: >Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take >.wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for >this?) a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, >each setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, which will >start a different loop, replacing the previous one. Very simple desire. Thanks. >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16728; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c1097d$e96a3be0$266e303f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <93.cfde101.287c84a5@aol.com> Subject: OT: TransTrem Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 20:32:31.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[71599F40:01C1097F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for a transtrem--does anyone know of a source for them (other than Ed Roman), or better yet have an extra you'd be willing to sell? Thanks for any help you can offer... Bruce Comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:42:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17044; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:41:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011501c10980$06e417c0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com><015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net><03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> <200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> Subject: OT: minding the open mind (was Againinator prototype image) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:36:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gah! I was gone for a few days and then I discovered that I had really put my foot in my mouth! 8^( Sometimes my attempts at wry humor would have been better off taking a nap and waiting for divine inspiration in the form of a prophetic dream or something. What was intended as tongue-in-cheek humor upon cursory examination really came off as narrow minded and rude. Sorry all!!!!! *glances with irony at the bubble gum vinyl Christian Death live album on the shelf* Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Gerace" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: OT: Againinator prototype image > At 05:35 PM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they > >loop much .... > > > Hey...If I wasn't so busy brooding and drinking absinthe, I'd say 'them's > fighting words, son". As a card carrying member of the goth crowd, I loop > plenty, as does the wife. > Yours in doom, gloom and fin de seicle angst, > Frank Gerace > Looper VG8 guitarist > Dreamchild > www.dreamchildmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:46:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17304; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:45:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011601c10980$a1d8fa20$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <93.cfde101.287c84a5@aol.com> Subject: Re: tesla questions (gtr) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:41:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: OT: tesla questions (gtr) > my tesla has some very particular electronics in it, so that i can begin to > integrate some of my previously 'external' techniques into the instrument, > itself; eg, there are two feedback microphones built into my tesla, and a > 1/4" input: all are instantaneously & rhythmically switchable. > add'ly, we left (a little) space to add some 'controllers' for my looping > devices, in the very near future: > integration is a large part of what i'm pursuing. Feedback microphones?!?! Cool! How would you characterize the primary differences (in terms of application and performance dynamics, etc) between this approach to feedback generation and something like the sustainiac? Or links with more info? Thanks! Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 17:04:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19066; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.34] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:01:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:01:59.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F643780:01C10983] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The guy certainly depends on luck, his personality won't get him their. Capt. Molecule _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 17:45:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20548; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:43:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to the group (hi everyone). I'm waiting for the Electrix Repeater to be released this month. If it does half of what it's supposed to, this would be no problem as long as the loops are stored in sequence. Then you just hit one button to trigger each loop. You can store 999 loops with four mixable tracks in each loop. And if you go to Pricewatch.com you can upgrade to a 256 MB flash cards for about 160 bucks. This will upgrade from 8 minutes to over 45 minutes of sample time! BTW, it sounds like some of you guys are making fun of all the features of the Repeater (again, I just subscribed, so I may be wrong). Even though a few of my friends referred to the extensive features on the device as 'cheating' ;), I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! They are selling for $525 at www.sixtecycle.com -- TG -----Original Message----- From: roger foster [mailto:roger_foster@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take .wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?) - Use a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, replacing the previous one. Very simple desire. Thanks. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 18:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23151; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4B80DC.92053250@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:25:32 +0200 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tom@swirly.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) References: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote : > > At 2:18 PM +0000 7/10/01, Brian Parker wrote: > > > > >What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm > > >looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add > > >loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's > > >and their auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey. > > > > OK, my young friend, I'll spell it out: > > > > Despite the fact that I'm an old codger who couldn't care less about > > the DJ scene per se, I have been using similar techniques in > > performance since you were in nappies. > > [more well-crafted, richly deserved abuse follows!] > > Wince! not that he didn't deserve it. > > I might add that I've noticed this weird sort of attitude > from DJs towards players and composers many times. > > I believe it's because they are subsconsciously aware that > they depend on us for their material whereas we create our > own material. > > There's also the aspect that as a DJ you can't really create > intellectual property (like, get songwriting royalties) so > it makes it hard to release CDs and make money that way. > You have to keep working, spinning -- like a shark, if you > stop moving, you sink to the bottom and die... > > /t > > -- > semper ubi sub ubi Maybe it is not always the musical materials you could create or use which is significant in DJing, but mainly the way you do it in your job that's probably makes some slightly differences between DJs, the way they do it. Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks ? EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 18:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23702; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4B9E6A.45DC6C27@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:31:38 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) References: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> <3B4B80DC.92053250@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-KffS.A.DyF.4N4S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Emmanuel PERILLE wrote: > > > semper ubi sub ubi > > Maybe it is not always the musical materials you could create or use which > is significant in DJing, > but mainly the way you do it in your job > that's probably makes some slightly differences between DJs, the way they > do it. > > Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks ? Crooks ?? sorry couldn't resist :=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=):=) Claude PS: this is absolutly not what I think about DJ's Dis is (a) Joke, Hey ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 18:51:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24060; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710184155.007c50d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:41:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant In-Reply-To: <002a01c10952$8883ecc0$a0926fd4@y5w2s5> References: <20010710114211.2410.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:05 PM 7/10/01 +0100, Gareth wrote: >> Bleen are 2 of the presets on the Lexicon Vortex. >> Whenever I hear something processed thru the Bleen B >> preset, I think of BB's bouncing on a formica table >> top. > >What're BB's ? That's short for Bill Bruford. The Vortex's Bleen B setting replicates Bruford's signature snare clank, and sounds like dozens of tiny Bills being dropped onto a reflective surface from a modest height. (Actually, BB's are tiny round metal pellets that are fired from an air rifle. I think it stands for "Baby Buck", but I'm not sure...) -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 18:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24203; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:48:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107102247.SAA24770@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:50:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: OT: minding the open mind (was Againinator prototype image) In-Reply-To: <011501c10980$06e417c0$6b44230a@melon> References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com> <015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net> <200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4rG4qC.A.45F.QY4S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mike, Lighten up on yourself. While it's nice to see people apologize for going over the top and/or being narrow minded etc., I found your post tom be tongue in cheek, so I thought I'd continue the trend. Humor need not be identified by emoticons. We're mostly all big kids here. Best, Frank At 04:36 PM 7/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >Gah! I was gone for a few days and then I discovered that I had >really put my foot in my mouth! >8^( > >Sometimes my attempts at wry humor would have been better off >taking a nap and waiting for divine inspiration in the form of a >prophetic dream or something. What was intended as >tongue-in-cheek humor upon cursory examination really came off >as narrow minded and rude. > >Sorry all!!!!! > >*glances with irony at the bubble gum vinyl Christian Death live >album on the shelf* > >Mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Gerace" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:36 PM >Subject: Re: OT: Againinator prototype image > > >> At 05:35 PM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote: >> >Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they >> >loop much .... >> > >> Hey...If I wasn't so busy brooding and drinking absinthe, I'd >say 'them's >> fighting words, son". As a card carrying member of the goth >crowd, I loop >> plenty, as does the wife. >> Yours in doom, gloom and fin de seicle angst, >> Frank Gerace >> Looper VG8 guitarist >> Dreamchild >> www.dreamchildmusic.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:01:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24275; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:50:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710184721.007cf080@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:47:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like you might want a sampler connected to some midi bass pedals. -t At 05:39 PM 7/10/01, you wrote: >Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? - Take >.wav files off a pc - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for >this?) a foot pedal as a trigger - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, >each setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, which will >start a different loop, replacing the previous one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26314; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:33:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029a01c10990$46dec630$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> <3B4B80DC.92053250@club-internet.fr> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks ? > > EP > > musicians are the hose. listeners are the flowers. music is the water. be the ball, danny... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26385; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:08:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:08:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710190522.007d3e50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:05:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) In-Reply-To: <3B4B80DC.92053250@club-internet.fr> References: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:25 AM 7/11/01 +0200, EP wrote: >Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks I like that! Maybe as loopers we're fixing a salad while still out in the garden! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:16:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26801; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018701c10995$80ebd200$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <24.15c5f676.2873aa98@aol.com><015001c10425$9f3a8c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net><03fe01c1064c$d8e3bf50$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><3B462E25.72C84B@zerocrossing.net><200107062334.TAA20957@user1.channel1.com> <200107102247.SAA24770@user1.channel1.com> Subject: OT: minding the open mind (was Againinator prototype image) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You mean I'm not an asshole? Cool! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Gerace" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: OT: minding the open mind (was Againinator prototype image) > Hey Mike, > Lighten up on yourself. While it's nice to see people apologize for going > over the top and/or being narrow minded etc., I found your post tom be > tongue in cheek, so I thought I'd continue the trend. Humor need not be > identified by emoticons. We're mostly all big kids here. > Best, > Frank > At 04:36 PM 7/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Gah! I was gone for a few days and then I discovered that I had > >really put my foot in my mouth! > >8^( > > > >Sometimes my attempts at wry humor would have been better off > >taking a nap and waiting for divine inspiration in the form of a > >prophetic dream or something. What was intended as > >tongue-in-cheek humor upon cursory examination really came off > >as narrow minded and rude. > > > >Sorry all!!!!! > > > >*glances with irony at the bubble gum vinyl Christian Death live > >album on the shelf* > > > >Mike > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Frank Gerace" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 7:36 PM > >Subject: Re: OT: Againinator prototype image > > > > > >> At 05:35 PM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hmmm, should appeal to the goth crowd, but I don't think they > >> >loop much .... > >> > > >> Hey...If I wasn't so busy brooding and drinking absinthe, I'd > >say 'them's > >> fighting words, son". As a card carrying member of the goth > >crowd, I loop > >> plenty, as does the wife. > >> Yours in doom, gloom and fin de seicle angst, > >> Frank Gerace > >> Looper VG8 guitarist > >> Dreamchild > >> www.dreamchildmusic.com > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26980; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018f01c10995$aa33e7b0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200107101800.OAA11599@www.editev.com> <3.0.5.32.20010710190522.007d3e50@pop.ici.net> Subject: OT: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:11:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I always find it hard to resist munching on the parsley. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) > At 12:25 AM 7/11/01 +0200, EP wrote: > >Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks > > I like that! > > Maybe as loopers we're fixing a salad while still out in the garden! > > -t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27084; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:16:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:16:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB48D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:15:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10996.28C09A60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10996.28C09A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i like to think of myself as a hunter-gatherer stig -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar) > > Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks ? > > EP > > musicians are the hose. listeners are the flowers. music is the water. be the ball, danny... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10996.28C09A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Any dj's using loops live? (R. Zvonar)

i like to think of myself as a hunter-gatherer


stig



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> Musicians are Gardeners, DJs are cooks ?
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> EP
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musicians are the hose.
listeners are the flowers.
music is the water.

be the ball, danny...

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10996.28C09A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:29:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27593; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c10997$e8e4b960$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:27:24 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SCENE OPENS: Smoky saloon out in the Old West. Except that instead of weapons the cowboys have Zooms and EDPs and DigiTech units etc. in their belts. One by one the faces of these grizzled performers are framed, looking up, hearing the footsteps coming down the wooden sidewalk, until you see the double swinging doors at the front, with a pair of fairly new boots behind them. The doors swing open, revealing "Tim Goodwin" , a young cowboy still fresh from civilization as we knew it. Frame several cowboys looking on, waiting for whatever he's going to say, and some faces revealing silent scorn at the "new greenhorn". TIM: I'm new to the group (hi everyone). I'm waiting for the Electrix Repeater to be released this month. If it does half of what it's supposed to, this would be no problem as long as the loops are stored in sequence. Then you just hit one button to trigger each loop. Cut to: KIM (barkeeper, behind the bar, looks up from polishing a whiskey glass and smiles) Cut back to TIM, who looks a bit nervous at having walked into a potential den of thieves. TIM: You can store 999 loops with four mixable tracks in each loop. And if you go to Pricewatch.com you can upgrade to a 256 MB flash cards for about 160 bucks. This will upgrade from 8 minutes to over 45 minutes of sample time! THE CROWD BREAKS UP IN LAUGHTER, SOME YOU CAN HEAR SAYING THINGS LIKE "YEAH, SURE!" AND "HAVE WE HEARD THIS BEFORE, BOYS?" TIM LOOKS TROUBLED AND CONTINUES... TIM: BTW, it sounds like some of you guys are making fun of all the features of the Repeater (again, I just subscribed, so I may be wrong). Even though a few of my friends referred to the extensive features on the device as 'cheating' (AT THIS HE SMILES NERVOUSLY), I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! They are selling for $525 at www.sixtecycle.com! KIM: Anyone got one o' these fellas? Ya had your hands on one yet? THE ROOM GOES SILENT. IT IS EVIDENT THAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD OF IDEALISTIC EXPECTATION BEFORE, AFTER HAVING MASTERED ALL OF THEIR RESPECTIVE LOOPING DEVICES. KIM: Whiskey? FADE OUT. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28296; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004801c10997$e8e4b960$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a gambler not a greenhorn! LOL! Thanks for the kind welcome. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live SCENE OPENS: Smoky saloon out in the Old West... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 20:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29808; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great scenario! I can hear the looping tumbleweed and the lonesome wind whistling past the saloon . . . but everyone knows Bartender Kim prefers Scotch :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 20:10:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30170; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:09:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett Cc: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live In-Reply-To: <004801c10997$e8e4b960$0201a8c0@stephen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is this, LoopMUSH now? :) best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 21:10:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00824; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:07:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/10/01 5:04 PM, James Pokorny at j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Great scenario! I can hear the looping tumbleweed and the lonesome wind > whistling past the saloon . . . but everyone knows Bartender Kim prefers > Scotch :-) > Yeah, the old timers here ought to know Kim likes "Scotch" but all whiskey drinkers ought to know that "Scotch" is American slang for "Scottish Whiskey". We should also know that Scottish and Irish whiskey are made from barley whereas the stuff from Kentucky and Tennessee is made from corn. Further, it is sacrilege to pour Scottish or Irish whiskey over ice, whereas iced is about the only way to get the American stuff down. -Allan (Bushmill McAllan to you, pardner.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 21:24:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01339; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:23:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:23:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:21:44 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Does anyone got Electrix gears from Musician's Friend? I am still waiting over 30days since my order.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 22:39:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04472; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710223412.007d4930@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:34:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still waiting on my FilterQueen, but I didn't order it very long ago. The MF website said it was in stock. What'd you order? Also, if anyone has ordered an RC-20, they're shipping again. I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago and just got the shipping confirmation a few minutes ago in the e-mail right after the one with the shootout at the Repeater Corral... I'll have a Glenlivet please... Tim At 10:21 AM 7/11/01 +0900, you wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone got Electrix gears from Musician's Friend? >I am still waiting over 30days since my order.. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06889; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.36] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) 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Ok, so he was looking for a REAL Dj... like me ! But some of the replies sounded like self righteous techno-jargon for some kind of Hardware-head ! The guy was asking a simple question, he was not asking to be qouted the User Manual from Echoplex. I know we are all proud of our equipment, and the joy it brings us, but to "inflict" that "joy" upon others who have little interest in the techno-babble of gyrating oscillators and synth's is a tad much. He just asked... who was using Loops in a Live set, not "who has the biggest stick", when it comes to equipment.A simple reply like ... "I use live loops, and I use Red Sound's Cyclops..." would have been cool, then liven it up with some of the equipments high points... end of story. That "Tome", that was used as a reply had my head spinning...., thus my reply of "Huh ?" .

I feel your frustration man......


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------=_NextPart_000_5dde_4138_431c Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:54:01 -0700 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1453B2009C40043113CFE4EE090DA80; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:53:05 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26294; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.103.230] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 13:52:00.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DF65C30:01C10947] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

HuH ?

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From: Richard Zvonar
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live?
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:28:41 -0700
At 7:09 PM +0000 7/9/01, Brian Parker wrote:
>I was just wondering if there are any djs on the list that are using
>samplers to create loops on the fly during performances? It just did
>look like many electronic artists were here from the profiles i
>read.
>If you are a dj, what are you using for gear?
I don't consider myself a DJ (nor would most DJs or their audience)
but for a long time I have performed with a combination of playback
media, live performers, and signal processors that include looping.
The setup varies, but among my favorite processors are the Eventide
H3000 and DSP4000, and the TC2290. All three of these devices can
perform looping functions in either a regenerating delay mode or a
sampling mode. One favorite hack with the H3000 is to control the
playback parameters (start and end point, playback rate, pitch
transposition) with faders. The H3000's Sampler can loop two voices
independently, so I use eight faders. One particularly interesting
thing is to move the end point earlier than the start point so that
the sample plays backwards.
The DSP4000 has a sampling function that can immediately play back in
reverse, so I can capture a live sample and then play it back
immediately either forward or in reverse. This is especially
interesting with live voice, and I've done a lot of this with a story
teller.
I control the TC2290 with MIDI, and I am able to address all its
parameters with system exclusive messages. One favorite looping hack
is to control a pair of 2290s and to move the playback "window"
forward and back in time. The two loops can be the same length but
offset in time, or they can be of different lengths.
For prerecorded playback I use CDs and cassette tapes (when I started
doing this there weren't any CDs yet). On occasion I've used looping
cassettes, but mostly I use regular cassette recordings of music
ranging from assorted world music to classical to avant garde
instrumental and electronic music (it's interesting to hear Satie and
Nono superimposed). One of my cassette decks is a Tascam Porta One (I
bought it in 1985). This is a cassette portastudio that runs at
regular cassette speed, so you can play any normally recorded
cassette. The interesting thing is that while "Side A" is playing
back normally, "Side B" is playing back in reverse. The faders on the
Porta One allow simple fading in and out of the tracks.
I mix all this stuff with a Mackie 1604, and I've devised a patching
system that allows me to audition signals before sending them into
the main mix. The 1604 has four outputs, of which 3 and 4 are
considered an Alternate or "Alt" pair. I use these outputs as my
mail feed to the PA system. When I want to audition something with
headphones I have that channel in normal mode, routed to outputs 1
and 2 (which aren't hooked up to anything but which feed into the
headphones). Then when I want to send the signal to the main mix I
punch in the "Alt" button for that channel.
In recent years most of my performances have been with the band
Cosmic Debris. I had signal feeds from all the other performers:
voice, flute, keyboard, bass, percussion loops, and sometimes from
two cassettes and a CD player.
--
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------=_NextPart_000_5dde_4138_431c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:33:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07207; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710202636.02096e88@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:31:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sunao Inami (06:21 PM 07/10/01) wrote: >Does anyone got Electrix gears from Musician's Friend? >I am still waiting over 30days since my order.. My wife got her order, but they screwed up. They sent her two Filter Queens and a MoFX instead of one FQ, one Warp Factory and a MoFX. She called, they said no problem the WF's are in stock and they'll ship one. She waited a couple of days, called, was told that the WF never went out and they didn't have any more. She screamed, talked to a manager, felt he was useless, found a WF at http://www.Music123.com, ordered one from there, and returned the extra FQ. I just checked Music123.com, it looks like they only have Filter Factorys left. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07186; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <109.261b0a7.287d2258@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:30:32 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Klein questions// Teuffel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com become_1@email.msn.com writes: >How customizable is the basic guitar? --eg, could you get yours with 6 >strings and a transtrem? i did. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:36:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07490; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.2868328.287d2359@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:34:49 EDT Subject: Re: OT: TransTrem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bruce said: >I'm looking for a transtrem--does anyone know of a source for them (other >than Ed Roman), or better yet have an extra you'd be willing to sell? >Thanks for any help you can offer... maybe try: 1) anyone at musicyo/steinberger, 2) lorenzo german, at klein guitars. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07619; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:32:35 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <40FrhB.A.32B.Xn8S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:23 AM +0000 7/11/01, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: >Ok, so he was looking for a REAL Dj... like me ! Here's your opportunity to tell us something useful. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:43:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07842; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:42:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:42:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <37.17ac0ce0.287d24f3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:41:39 EDT Subject: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mlameyer@rcn.com writes: >How would you characterize the >primary differences (in terms of application and performance >dynamics, etc) between this approach to feedback generation and >something like the sustainiac? i wouldn't. (smirks) no, it's nothing like a 'sustainer' --- that doesn't really interest me. i use microphones for *feedback*, directly thru the 'guitar' rig. #1 mic is a saltshaker: a peculiarly focussed set of 'tones'. #2 (new one, for me, on the tesla) sounds like an old tele-pickup, squealing. >Or links with more info? rather try it, or listen to music that uses this kinda stuff. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08276; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010710234955.007d6200@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:49:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710202636.02096e88@mulder.intermag.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0XzddB.A.IBC.p18S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:31 PM 7/10/01 -0700, Mark wrote: >I just checked Music123.com, it looks like they only have Filter Factorys left. You mean EQ Killers, not Filter Factories, right? (I just searched under 'Electrix' and that's the only thing that came up.) -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:54:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08277; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:52:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:52:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <41.deb11b8.287d275a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:51:54 EDT Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dj_devious_d@hotmail.com writes: >A simple reply like ... "I use live loops, and I use Red Sound's Cyclops..." >would have been cool, but, instead, rz generously offered some insightful & relevant info based upon -what?- some **thirty years of live looping experience** that could oughta be mightily useful/instructive to any of y'all's: jeeeez..... his generosity was, i believe, wrongly perceived as a 'show-of-force'. >then liven it up with some of the equipments high >points... end of story. That "Tome", that was used as a reply had my head >spinning...., thus my reply of "Huh ?" . >I feel your frustration man...... huh? dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 23:54:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08352; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:53:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710202636.02096e88@mulder.intermag.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <6kdw6.A.ICC.m28S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Mark Pulver wrote: > Sunao Inami (06:21 PM 07/10/01) wrote: > > >Does anyone got Electrix gears from Musician's Friend? > >I am still waiting over 30days since my order.. > > My wife got her order, but they screwed up. They sent her two Filter Queens > and a MoFX instead of one FQ, one Warp Factory and a MoFX. > > She called, they said no problem the WF's are in stock and they'll ship > one. She waited a couple of days, called, was told that the WF never went > out and they didn't have any more. She screamed, talked to a manager, felt > he was useless, found a WF at http://www.Music123.com, ordered one from > there, and returned the extra FQ. > > I just checked Music123.com, it looks like they only have Filter Factorys left. Had a similar experience with Guitar Center: called one in NY, they took my order of several pieces (1 FQ, 1 EQK, 1 mofx, 2 WF, 3FF - I had two friends of mine combining in with me), said no problem, plenty's coming, everything's getting restocked. 3/8 my order came in: FQ, EQK, WF. They said they'd restock in a week, it was coming they swore - except for the mofx, which they said was never on their order, wasn't being restocked & they offered to special order it from Electrix at full retail price of over $400. I called another Guitar Center a fellow list member recommended in Portland Oregon: they got me the other five pieces. I was nice enough to call a couple of days later and cancel the remaining order in NY: they hadn't restocked yet and had no idea when the shipment'd arrive. I'm tempted to buy a spare WF and put it in storage in case mine ever goes bad, as I really appreciate what I can do with it. best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 00:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10003; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710211046.0201fc68@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:10:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010710234955.007d6200@pop.ici.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710202636.02096e88@mulder.intermag.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson (08:49 PM 07/10/01) wrote: >At 08:31 PM 7/10/01 -0700, Mark wrote: >>I just checked Music123.com, it looks like they only have Filter Factorys >left. > >You mean EQ Killers, not Filter Factories, right? (I just searched under >'Electrix' and that's the only thing that came up.) Whoops... Sorry. Yes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 00:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10525; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:31:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:31:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:31:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C10987.A7E6CBC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C10987.A7E6CBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you were too hard on Richard. I, for one, enjoyed reading Richard's post, and I'm sure others did too. Heck, Richard, after reading your post, I'd be interested in going to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam email when the next performance comes up. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Devious D_MasterMixer [mailto:dj_devious_d@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:24 AM To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Ok, so he was looking for a REAL Dj... like me ! But some of the replies sounded like self righteous techno-jargon for some kind of Hardware-head ! The guy was asking a simple question, he was not asking to be qouted the User Manual from Echoplex. I know we are all proud of our equipment, and the joy it brings us, but to "inflict" that "joy" upon others who have little interest in the techno-babble of gyrating oscillators and synth's is a tad much. He just asked... who was using Loops in a Live set, not "who has the biggest stick", when it comes to equipment.A simple reply like ... "I use live loops, and I use Red Sound's Cyclops..." would have been cool, then liven it up with some of the equipments high points... end of story. That "Tome", that was used as a reply had my head spinning...., thus my reply of "Huh ?" . I feel your frustration man...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C10987.A7E6CBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 think you were too hard on Richard. I, for one, enjoyed reading = Richard's=20 post, and I'm sure others did too. Heck, Richard, after reading your = post, I'd=20 be interested in going to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam = email when=20 the next performance comes up.
 
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Ok, so he was looking for a REAL Dj... like me ! But some of the = replies=20 sounded like self righteous techno-jargon for some kind of = Hardware-head ! The=20 guy was asking a simple question, he was not asking to be qouted the = User=20 Manual from Echoplex. I know we are all proud of our equipment, and = the joy it=20 brings us, but to "inflict" that "joy" upon others who have little = interest in=20 the techno-babble of gyrating oscillators and synth's is a tad much. = He just=20 asked... who was using Loops in a Live set, not "who has the biggest = stick",=20 when it comes to equipment.A simple reply like ... "I use live loops, = and I=20 use Red Sound's Cyclops..." would have been cool, then liven it up = with some=20 of the equipments high points... end of story. That "Tome", that was = used as a=20 reply had my head spinning...., thus my reply of "Huh ?" .

I feel your frustration man......


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------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C10987.A7E6CBC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13312; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:00:01 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20010710184155.007c50d0@pop.ici.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <4miLJD.A.SPD.wQ-S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also stands for Bill Berg, Billy Barber, etc.... on 7/10/01 3:41 PM, Tim Nelson at tcn62@ici.net wrote: > (Actually, BB's are tiny round metal pellets that are fired from an air > rifle. I think it stands for "Baby Buck", but I'm not sure...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:34:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13464; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:36:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Resent-Message-ID: <749FnC.A.-RD.KU-S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Er- If you can't appreciate the beauty of the technical/musical concepts Richard generously shared regarding making music with delay lines/sampling on the Loopers Delight list, then you need to consider if you belong here... Please don't take this as a personal attack, but c'mon... To complain about "self righteous techno-jargon" on this list is pretty lame in IMO, now had Richard written out a Smalltalk program or intense MSP code you might have had a valid complaint, had the original reply shown the slightest degree of class in his reply to Richards post. Once the smoke dies down, I look forward to hearing about how well the Cycloops works. best- Mark > > Ok, so he was looking for a REAL Dj... like me ! But some of the replies >sounded like self righteous techno-jargon for some kind of Hardware-head ! >The guy was asking a simple question, he was not asking to be qouted the >User Manual from Echoplex. I know we are all proud of our equipment, and the >joy it brings us, but to "inflict" that "joy" upon others who have little >interest in the techno-babble of gyrating oscillators and synth's is a tad >much. He just asked... who was using Loops in a Live set, not "who has the >biggest stick", when it comes to equipment.A simple reply like ... "I use >live loops, and I use Red Sound's Cyclops..." would have been cool, then >liven it up with some of the equipments high points... end of story. That >"Tome", that was used as a reply had my head spinning...., thus my reply of >"Huh ?" . > > I feel your frustration man...... > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >
I >think you were too hard on Richard. I, for one, enjoyed reading Richard's >post, and I'm sure others did too. Heck, Richard, after reading your post, I'd >be interested in going to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam email when >the next performance comes up.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:47:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13784; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:45:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:45:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.36] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:44:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 05:44:55.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CDE5780:01C109CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

                                                                             

Ok, I stand ... corrected. Mr.. Zvonar (if that is really your name), I meant no disrespect, but I have grown tired of posts that boast the accolades of equipment, that is either out of my price range, beyond my comprehension, or just too weird. Saying that your post was without its merits, would be ludicrous. I have always said these forums are best realized when the flow of information benefits at least one person. Maybe the person who posted the original question did not benefit from your Odin-like knowledge, but I am sure somebody did. My main problem is when someone rattles out 5 or 6 Model numbers, and a few manufacturers names, in response to a question, instead of offering advice, or inquiring into what equipment the person is using, and what they want to accomplish with said equipment, that is when I get "queasy". Now this thread could have been very interesting, but instead, it has been polarized, and the original person who posted the question feels as though his question was not properly answered. Now we have Pro-Dj Devious D / Pro- Mr.. Zvonar folks, or vice-a-versa, and the question was never answered... by anyone.

Mr.. Zvonar wrote "Here's your opportunity to tell us something useful"...My thought is... "what is deemed useful to one man, can be another man's hindrance". (Yup... I made that up).


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:53:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14036; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.36] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:50:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 05:50:49.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FE74E20:01C109CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The test ! ----Original Message Follows---- From: glenn Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: possiblyrelevant Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:00:01 -0700 Also stands for Bill Berg, Billy Barber, etc.... on 7/10/01 3:41 PM, Tim Nelson at tcn62@ici.net wrote: >(Actually, BB's are tiny round metal pellets that are fired from an air >rifle. I think it stands for "Baby Buck", but I'm not sure...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16233; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:42:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.97.36] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: echoplex@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:41:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 06:41:35.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D0A840:01C109D4] Resent-Message-ID: <89IcUC.A.U9D.-U_S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

See what I mean...... ?

----Original Message Follows----
From: Bret
To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
--- Devious D_MasterMixer wrote:
">Ok, I stand ... corrected. Mr.. Zvonar (if that is really your name),
I meant no disrespect, but I have grown tired of posts that boast the
accolades of equipment, that is either out of my price range, beyond my
comprehension, or just too weird"
Devious,
I believe that is Dr.Zvonar, not Mr.Zvonar.
bret
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16513; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:54:22 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com, echoplex@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217288012==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217288012==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:41 AM -0500 7/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote: >See what I mean...... ? > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Bret >To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT) >--- Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: >">Ok, I stand ... corrected. Mr.. Zvonar (if that is really your name), >I meant no disrespect, but I have grown tired of posts that boast the >accolades of equipment, that is either out of my price range, beyond my >comprehension, or just too weird" >Devious, >I believe that is Dr.Zvonar, not Mr.Zvonar. >bret Hey, it took me 25 years of schoolin' to get that PhD! I wanted to be "Doctor Zvonar" ever since I saw Flash Gordon serials on TV back in the '50s. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217288012==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
At 1:41 AM -0500 7/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote:
See what I mean...... ?
----Original Message Follows----
From: Bret
To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
--- Devious D_MasterMixer wrote:
">Ok, I stand ... corrected. Mr.. Zvonar (if that is really your name),
I meant no disrespect, but I have grown tired of posts that boast the
accolades of equipment, that is either out of my price range, beyond my
comprehension, or just too weird"
Devious,
I believe that is Dr.Zvonar, not Mr.Zvonar.
bret

Hey, it took me 25 years of schoolin' to get that PhD!

I wanted to be "Doctor Zvonar" ever since I saw Flash Gordon serials on TV back in the '50s.
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--============_-1217288012==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16645; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010711065450.12448.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) To: wedgehed@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, what a dumbass. He misspelled "Dre"! John --- Dj Devious D wrote:

See what I mean...... ?

Devious,
I believe that is Dr.Zvonar, not Mr.Zvonar.
bret ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:17:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18179; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:15:46 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217286740==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: <6A2ET.A.zbE.j0_S7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217286740==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:31 PM -0700 7/10/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Heck, Richard, after reading your post, I'd be interested in going >to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam email when the >next performance comes up. The only things coming up are the Ought-One Festival August 25-26, 2001 in Plainfield, Vermont and the Eclectic Orange Festival at the at the Orange County Art Museum in Newport Beach, October 6-29. The piece for Ought-One will be an 8-channel tape piece made up entirely of the sounds of frogs and crickets. The piece for Electric Orange will be a short piece for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, part of an installation by the sound artist Trimpin. A group of composers are writing 2-minute pieces for this, and an audience member will be able to select one of the pieces by putting a quarter into the slot of a "jukebox". At the end of the month we all get to keep the quarters. No looping in either piece, I'm afraid. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217286740==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
At 9:31 PM -0700 7/10/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
Heck, Richard, after reading your post, I'd be interested in going to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam email when the next performance comes up.

The only things coming up are the Ought-One Festival August 25-26, 2001 in Plainfield, Vermont and the Eclectic Orange Festival at the at the Orange County Art Museum in Newport Beach, October 6-29.

The piece for Ought-One will be an 8-channel tape piece made up entirely of the sounds of frogs and crickets. The piece for Electric Orange will be a short piece for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, part of an installation by the sound artist Trimpin. A group of composers are writing 2-minute pieces for this, and an audience member will be able to select one of the pieces by putting a quarter into the slot of a "jukebox". At the end of the month we all get to keep the quarters.

No looping in either piece, I'm afraid.
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--============_-1217286740==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18472; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:59:32 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MS_Mac_OE_3077657972_3441004_MIME_Part User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3077657972_3441004_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Dr and DJ, nice to meet you both. I'm new to this list and though i don't know the history here life seems to stinking short and painful enough. On this whole DJ versus musician thing, FWIW i think most DJ's are guys who have a good feel for music, but just don't understand how easy it is to actually originate the beats/songs themselves, or think they couldn't or that there's enough cultural support for what they do that why move on?, but that what they do is great in it's own way and we're all here to create something better right? so what the hey if that kind of creation works for them. I like looping, but know people, professional musicians, who look down on looping as being non-musicianship. Screw it, man. Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a looping VST plug-in with a midi-sustain pedal triggered sampling/recording. I fully understand the notion of the ideal move being out of the computer and into the live realm. I'm down with that, just too broke right now to pay attenion, much less spring for a jam man, so is it that no such plug in exists or is this unspoken passive aggressive social conditioning? (given what i've walked into seeing here I'm sure that question is understandable?) sincerely, glenn on 7/10/01 11:54 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: At 1:41 AM -0500 7/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote: See what I mean...... ? --MS_Mac_OE_3077657972_3441004_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Hello Dr and DJ,
nice  to meet you both. I'm new to this list and though i don't know t= he history here life seems to stinking short and painful enough.  On th= is whole DJ versus musician thing, FWIW i think most DJ's are guys who have = a good feel for music, but just don't understand how easy it is to actually = originate the beats/songs themselves, or think they couldn't or that there's= enough cultural support for what they do that why move on?, but that what t= hey do is great in it's own way and we're all here to create something bette= r right? so what the hey if that kind of creation works for them. I like loo= ping, but know people, professional musicians, who look down on looping as b= eing non-musicianship. Screw it, man.

Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a looping VST= plug-in with a midi-sustain pedal triggered sampling/recording. I fully und= erstand the notion of the ideal move being out of the computer and into the = live realm. I'm down with that, just too broke right now to pay attenion, mu= ch less spring for a jam man, so is it that no such plug in exists or is thi= s unspoken passive aggressive social conditioning? (given what i've walked i= nto seeing here I'm sure that question is understandable?)

sincerely,
glenn

on 7/10/01 11:54 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote:

At 1:41 AM -0500 7/11/01, Dj Devious D wrote:
See what I mean...... ?
--MS_Mac_OE_3077657972_3441004_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18806; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010711003824.00b328d0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:46:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:59 AM 7/11/2001, glenn wrote: >Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a looping >VST plug-in with a midi-sustain pedal triggered sampling/recording. I >fully understand the notion of the ideal move being out of the computer >and into the Everyone's idea of ideal is different. There's more than one person on the list that prefers looping on their computers rather than outboard gear. >live realm. I'm down with that, just too broke right now to pay attenion, >much less spring for a jam man, so is it that no such plug in exists or is >this unspoken passive aggressive social conditioning? (given what i've >walked into No passive aggression in this case I don't think - just that there isn't much point for everyone to respond "Not that I'm aware of" instead someone responding "try xyz" :) I'm not familiar with VST plug-ins so can't point you in any directions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20640; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:07:57 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:59 AM -0700 7/11/01, glenn wrote: >On this whole DJ versus musician thing, FWIW i think most DJ's are >guys who have a good feel for music, but just don't understand how >easy it is to actually originate the beats/songs themselves, or >think they couldn't or that there's enough cultural support for what >they do that why move on? Personally I don't draw a line between being a "musician" or a "sound artist" or a "DJ," nor do I think any of them is necessarily "loftier" or more valid than another (my violist partner would disagree). As in most things there are good ones and crappy ones, smart ones and stupid ones. I've heard some really excellent mixing and have even played on bills with some. I'm personally more into "whacked-out" music, and I'm not especially into dance music (I did enough of that in my teens and twenties). I'm also a fan of Plunderphonics, and I don't think an artist necessarily has to create all his/her sounds from scratch (pun intended). >Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a >looping VST plug-in with a midi-sustain pedal triggered >sampling/recording. I agree with Sean that the lack of an answer to your question is probably due to simple ignorance of such a VST plug-in. Don't give up hope, though. Max/MSP is a programming language that would allow the creation of just such a "soft" processor. One of the features of MSP is that you can create VST plug-ins. There is even a collection of these called Pluggo. Max/MSP is probably outside your budget, and you probably don't want to become a programmer anyway. Someone else might do it though. There is a loop sequencer called radiaL due for release later this year. For more info on Max/MSP, visit -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20994; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:17:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:17:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c109e2$a8b3d060$a8936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:21:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <3nrOcC.A.vHF.btAT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)Hi Glenn, There are numerous VST plugins that will allow to delay/regenerate your sound. I used to use a program called AudioMulch live in conjunction with these and I have to say there were very few problems. In fact I never had a crash live using this configuration! AudioMulch will interpret your sustain pedal as a trigger for 1 sample. Getting it to move on may be more problemattical though there is a sequencer built in to it now that allows sequencing of just about all variables. Why not download AudioMulch and take it from there. Gareth, (still don't know what Bleen is, though I found a poem called the people of Bleen) >Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a looping VST plug-in with a midi-sustain >pedal triggered sampling/recording. I fully understand the notion of the ideal move being out of the >computer and into the live realm. I'm down with that, just too broke right now to pay attenion, much less >spring for a jam man, so is it that no such plug in exists or is this unspoken passive aggressive social >conditioning? (given what i've walked into seeing here I'm sure that question is understandable?) >sincerely, >glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:26:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21481; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:56:38 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you! that sure looks like an interesting link: there is a plug in there called "Plug-loop" that looks interesting, and another that lets you map your sift and control keys to functions in the plug ins, will try this and thanks again. P.S looks like Pluggo is compatible with Cubase 4.1 !!:):) on 7/11/01 1:07 AM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > Max/MSP is a programming language that would allow the creation of > just such a "soft" processor. One of the features of MSP is that you > can create VST plug-ins. There is even a collection of these called > Pluggo. > > Max/MSP is probably outside your budget, and you probably don't want > to become a programmer anyway. Someone else might do it though. There > is a loop sequencer called radiaL due for release later this year. > > For more info on Max/MSP, visit > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:28:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21738; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:58:41 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live In-reply-to: <001001c109e2$a8b3d060$a8936fd4@y5w2s5> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the awesome lead... Will definitely try that!!!! on 7/11/01 1:21 AM, whiteoakstudios at whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: > There are numerous VST plugins that will allow to delay/regenerate your > sound. I used to use a program called AudioMulch live in conjunction with > these and I have to say there were very few problems. In fact I never had a > crash live using this configuration! > AudioMulch will interpret your sustain pedal as a trigger for 1 sample. > Getting it to move on may be more problemattical though there is a sequencer > built in to it now that allows sequencing of just about all variables. Why > not download AudioMulch and take it from there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:35:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22155; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c109e3$fc421560$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: pluggo, was: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:32:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0xF4DC.A.6ZF.Q8AT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thank you! > that sure looks like an interesting link: there is a plug in there called > "Plug-loop" that looks interesting, and another that lets you map your sift > and control keys to functions in the plug ins, will try this and thanks > again. P.S looks like Pluggo is compatible with Cubase 4.1 !!:):) it certainly is, and very good it is too. I'd recommend the Pluggo "very long delay" plugin - exactly what it says on the tin, with a nice filter in the feedback loop. also comes in a stereo version. os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 05:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24014; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:07:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:07:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.96.93] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:06:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 09:06:28.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4DC0220:01C109E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Now THAT'S an ANSWER !!!!!!!!!!!  You go Boyeeeeee !

----Original Message Follows----
From: Richard Zvonar
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:07:57 -0700
At 12:59 AM -0700 7/11/01, glenn wrote:
>On this whole DJ versus musician thing, FWIW i think most DJ's are
>guys who have a good feel for music, but just don't understand how
>easy it is to actually originate the beats/songs themselves, or
>think they couldn't or that there's enough cultural support for what
>they do that why move on?
Personally I don't draw a line between being a "musician" or a "sound
artist" or a "DJ," nor do I think any of them is necessarily
"loftier" or more valid than another (my violist partner would
disagree). As in most things there are good ones and crappy ones,
smart ones and stupid ones. I've heard some really excellent mixing
and have even played on bills with some. I'm personally more into
"whacked-out" music, and I'm not especially into dance music (I did
enough of that in my teens and twenties). I'm also a fan of
Plunderphonics, and I don't think an artist necessarily has to create
all his/her sounds from scratch (pun intended).
>Okay so nobody responded to my request for info on if there's a
>looping VST plug-in with a midi-sustain pedal triggered
>sampling/recording.
I agree with Sean that the lack of an answer to your question is
probably due to simple ignorance of such a VST plug-in. Don't give up
hope, though.
Max/MSP is a programming language that would allow the creation of
just such a "soft" processor. One of the features of MSP is that you
can create VST plug-ins. There is even a collection of these called
Pluggo.
Max/MSP is probably outside your budget, and you probably don't want
to become a programmer anyway. Someone else might do it though. There
is a loop sequencer called radiaL due for release later this year.
For more info on Max/MSP, visit
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 05:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24627; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:32:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:31:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C109B1.A5E95C00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C109B1.A5E95C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)Very interesting stuff coming up, Richard. I am fortunate I did get to hear at least a little bit of your stuff at the LA Loop Feste. Liked what I heard, just was too much going on - including talking to you, since we sat next to each other - to fully appreciate. Anyway, Vermont is a little far to go, but the Newport Beach thing looks kinda interesting... Can you tell me more about what happens at the Eclectic Orange Festival? I've got to entice my girlfriend after all. :-) You can respond personally and off the list if this is too far off topic. Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) At 9:31 PM -0700 7/10/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: Heck, Richard, after reading your post, I'd be interested in going to see you play sometime! Send me a gig spam email when the next performance comes up. The only things coming up are the Ought-One Festival August 25-26, 2001 in Plainfield, Vermont and the Eclectic Orange Festival at the at the Orange County Art Museum in Newport Beach, October 6-29. The piece for Ought-One will be an 8-channel tape piece made up entirely of the sounds of frogs and crickets. The piece for Electric Orange will be a short piece for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, part of an installation by the sound artist Trimpin. A group of composers are writing 2-minute pieces for this, and an audience member will be able to select one of the pieces by putting a quarter into the slot of a "jukebox". At the end of the month we all get to keep the quarters. No looping in either piece, I'm afraid. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C109B1.A5E95C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You = Can...)
Very=20 interesting stuff coming up, Richard. I am fortunate I did get to hear = at least=20 a little bit of your stuff at the LA Loop Feste. Liked what I heard, = just was=20 too much going on - including talking to you, since we sat next to each = other -=20 to fully appreciate.
 
Anyway, Vermont is a little far to go, but the Newport Beach = thing looks=20 kinda interesting... Can you tell me more about what happens at the = Eclectic=20 Orange Festival? I've got to entice my girlfriend after all. :-) You can = respond=20 personally and off the list if this is too far off = topic.
 
Thanks,
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Zvonar=20 [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 = 12:16=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You = Can...)

At 9:31 PM -0700 7/10/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
Heck,=20 Richard, after reading your post, I'd be interested in going to see = you play=20 sometime! Send me a gig spam email when the next performance = comes=20 up.

The only things coming up are the Ought-One Festival August = 25-26, 2001=20 in Plainfield, Vermont and the Eclectic Orange Festival at the at the = Orange=20 County Art Museum in Newport Beach, October 6-29.

The piece for Ought-One will be an 8-channel tape piece made up = entirely=20 of the sounds of frogs and crickets. The piece for Electric Orange = will be a=20 short piece for nine MIDI-controlled toy pianos, part of an = installation by=20 the sound artist Trimpin. A group of composers are writing 2-minute = pieces for=20 this, and an audience member will be able to select one of the pieces = by=20 putting a quarter into the slot of a "jukebox". At the end of the = month we all=20 get to keep the quarters.

No looping in either piece, I'm afraid.
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------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C109B1.A5E95C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 05:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24819; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:36:13 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: roger_foster@hotmail.com Message-id: <004c01c109cb$664d7d50$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So basically you want a budget sampler that supports .WAV files, sample dump via MIDI or disk, and is controllable via MIDI. Based on your budget, you have a bunch of machines to check out (ordered in increasing price) ... Akai S20 Yamaha SU-10 Boss SP-303 Zoom SampleTrak ST224 Yamaha SU-200 Korg Electribe ES-1 Yamaha SU700 I was looking for the same thing about a year ago and got a Yamaha SU700, then found out it only support .AIFF file formats and it doesn't have the ability to store samples on-board. Although, the effects are really good and the MIDI implementation is pretty good, you have to pay extra for a SCSI adapter and ZIP drive if you want convenient sample storage. They've come down in price $300-400 since I bought it last year. If I was buying today, I would probably look at getting the Korg Electribe ES-1, next to the Yamaha SU-200. One of the weird issues with this Korg unit is that the .WAV files need specific names to load correctly, but it supports onboard static RAM storage and SmartMedia storage, which is very handy. Check it out: http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=ES1 Each of these units have their own idiosyncrasies, so I would read reviews on every one of them. There are some great, detailed reviews at: http://www.samplenet.co.uk/CategoryDefault.asp?Category=Samplers ----- Original Message ----- From: "roger foster" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live > Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest expense)? > - Take .wav files off a pc > - Load 'em to a device (what's the best device for this?) > - Use a foot pedal as a trigger > - Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, which will start a different loop, replacing the previous one. > Very simple desire. > Thanks. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 06:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA26684; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c109f1$624d83a0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Did you say Whiskey? Was: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:08:02 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Great scenario! I can hear the looping tumbleweed and the lonesome wind > > whistling past the saloon . . . but everyone knows Bartender Kim prefers > > Scotch :-) > > > Yeah, the old timers here ought to know Kim likes "Scotch" but all whiskey > drinkers ought to know that "Scotch" is American slang for "Scottish > Whiskey". We should also know that Scottish and Irish whiskey are made from > barley whereas the stuff from Kentucky and Tennessee is made from corn. > Further, it is sacrilege to pour Scottish or Irish whiskey over ice, whereas > iced is about the only way to get the American stuff down. I've come to wonder that it was this and not just a spelling error that made the difference between "whiskey" and "whisky". On a trip to Edinburgh three years ago, my then-future wife and I would hit a number of pubs, most notably the Deacon Brodie (named after the not-so-gentlemanly fellow who actually inspired R.L.Stevenson's "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde"), where, before our attendance of tours, would garnish ourselves by sampling the huge range of scottish whiskey. I had mine 'neat' with water on the side. Having stopped smoking tobacco some years ago, I'd finished getting my taste buds back to working order, and had begun enjoying wine-tasting as a result; I applied the same technique to whiskey. There were some that made one wish for a bit of the old tobacco though, as they were no doubt engineered to have with a cigar. Others were smoky enough on their own - 20 yr-old Ardbeg for instance - to supplant the mere desire for a cigar. Funny since, when a smoker, I could barely manage a sip of whiskey without making That Face. Now that I'm not a smoker (and alas even non-tobacco -wink- is out of reach, dammit!) I find a bit of whiskey to be a needed bit of business towards the end of some evenings. In a GOOD bar in the US, you won't get a look like you've got antennae if you ask for Scottish Whiskey. I won't say no to Chivas though, and in a slide can adjust to Grant's or Dewar's, though in comparison there is a huge difference. Even BELL'S is better, hoot mon. By the way I've put a newly-restored piece on the Studios site, "Fever Dream", which has nothing to do with Whiskey, well, at least THAT intoxicant. :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 06:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27041; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:21:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:20:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:07 PM -0700 7/10/01, Allan Hoeltje wrote: >on 7/10/01 5:04 PM, James Pokorny at j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> Great scenario! I can hear the looping tumbleweed and the lonesome wind >> whistling past the saloon . . . but everyone knows Bartender Kim prefers >> Scotch :-) >> thanks for correcting that James! Drinking the profits, right you are. >Yeah, the old timers here ought to know Kim likes "Scotch" but all whiskey >drinkers ought to know that "Scotch" is American slang for "Scottish >Whiskey". We should also know that Scottish and Irish whiskey are made from >barley whereas the stuff from Kentucky and Tennessee is made from corn. >Further, it is sacrilege to pour Scottish or Irish whiskey over ice, whereas >iced is about the only way to get the American stuff down. well, I certainly never have ice in my scotch. However, I have been known to enjoy a good southern bourbon now and then. With the good small batch stuff, it's gotta be neat too! Unless it's in a mint julep, of course. Try Knob Creek. By the way, since my "make a donation to looper's delight" appears to be a total failure as a means to make the site pay for itself, I'm starting a new plan. I'm calling it DrinkPal. If you like Looper's Delight, send me a bottle of Scotch. (single malts only, please.) This should make running this place far more bearable. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 07:06:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29223; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:04:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:04:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Subject: non-loop: whisk(e)y To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:03:47 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/07/2001 12:03:49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all .. (quick non-loop reply ..) Stephen wrote: > I've come to wonder that it was this and > not just a spelling error that made the difference > between "whiskey" and "whisky". as I understand it "whiskey" is the local stuff (for me, in Ireland), the "whisky" spelling is favoured by our neighbours in Scotland. I got an interesting book on a visit to a Scottish distillery last year which explains it all, but I haven't got it to hand. It was the Tomatin distillery, and if you come across their single malt or "Antiquary" blended try it out .. you can actually drink it neat without making The Whisky Face! That Face is now reserved for Raki .. Anyway .. that's the non-loop quota reached for me .. - jm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 08:21:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32160; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:20:33 -0400 Subject: Feedback Music in NYC 14 July From: David Myers To: ~performance mail Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5gNgyB.A.s1H.YRET7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saturday 14 July at Diapason soundart gallery, 1026 6th Ave NYC (between 38th and 39th Streets), 8 PM: David Lee Myers Ben Manley Tom Hamilton Table(s) of electronics, plus sound installations in the gallery. No guitars and no computers, to the best of my knowledge. I will be doing my Feedback thing solo, Ben and Tom also performing solo sets and perhaps some overlapping action. Should be a great evening--see you there! http://www.diapasongallery.com David Lee Myers http://www.pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 09:00:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01830; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:58:12 EDT Subject: Re: Any dj's using loops live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whiteoakstudios@supanet.com writes: >(still don't know what Bleen is, though I found a poem called the >people of Bleen) bleen is a 'morphing'-preset on lexicon's vortex, a 1-rack-space delay(& modulation)-based processor, no longer produced. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 10:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05445; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.93] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Requests for info Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:24:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 14:24:46.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C44D720:01C10A15] Resent-Message-ID: <9a40jC.A.MUB.NHGT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Person A: Request for info Person B: Tries to give helpful info Person A: Reads info, decides it isn't what he want, decides to dis person B for it. However inapproprate person B's response is it was given to be helpful. Person A could of simply said it wasn't what he was looking for, rather than dissing over it. Sounds to me like a "short fuse" Sincerly, Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 10:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05419; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:20:02 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Roland CDX-1 DiscLab Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c10a14$935724b0$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ran into this piece of gear yesterday on Roland's website ... it seems pretty interesting ... the phrase "sequence loops" caught my eye. It seems to be something like an SP-303 or SP808EX combined with a VS series multitrack recorder. Has anybody checked this unit out? http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/2001/cdx1.htm http://namm.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse01/Content/Roland/PR/CDX-1.html The CDX-1 DiscLab is a totally new type of flexible audio workstation: part digital multitrack recorder, part phrase sampler, part CD burner. Its innovative design lets you sample and sequence loops, record multitrack performances, or use both methods simultaneously. Then just add effects, and burn it all to recordable CDs. There¹s never been a quicker or more convenient way to get your music to CD. Features: - Tabletop workstation which combines phrase sampling, multitrack recording, mixing and mastering directly to built-in recordable CD drive-a world¹s first - Digital multitrack recorder section can record 2 tracks simultaneously to onboard CD-RW, 8 tracks total - Load or sample audio phrases on built-in Sample Pads - Create music with samples and multitrack recording simultaneously - Onboard phrase sample tools provide easy waveform editing, high-quality time-stretching, BPM syncing, and more - Phrase Sequencer and Rhythm Guide/Drum Machine allows quick sample sequencing and song construction - 2 stereo effects processors include COSM guitar multi-effects, Groove effects, studio effects, Mastering Tool Kit and more - CD Creation mode for writing directly to CD-R from stereo audio inputs-perfect for re-mastering vinyl records or cassette tapes to CD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 10:56:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06922; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:54:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: TOTALLY OT: Whisky/whiskey Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:52:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:08 AM > > I've come to wonder that it was this and not just a spelling > error that made > the difference between "whiskey" and "whisky". For the record (which has a scratch, causing the stylus to skip thereby creating a loop <-- RELEVANCE ;->), in Ireland and, I believe, the U.S., it's "whiskey," and in Scotland, here in Canada, and maybe a few other places, it's "whisky." My knowledge, though, ain't exactly encyclopaedic, so don't carve that in stone. It's just the way I've always understood it to be. Like it really matters. Jim Bailey Laphroaig fan since 1982 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 11:47:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09804; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:45:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:45:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:42:20 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217256035==_ma============" References: Resent-Message-ID: <6pha-.A.AYC.hRHT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217256035==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:31 AM -0700 7/11/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Can you tell me more about what happens at the Eclectic Orange Festival? http://www.eclecticorange.org/you_are_hear.htm -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217256035==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Any dj's using loops live (The Rest Of You Can...)
At 2:31 AM -0700 7/11/01, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:

Can you tell me more about what happens at the Eclectic Orange Festival?

http://www.eclecticorange.org/you_are_hear.htm
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--============_-1217256035==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 11:48:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10066; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c10a31$5925a880$9c00030a@default> From: "Daniel" To: Subject: what effect is this? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:36:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C109FD.BCC9C440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C109FD.BCC9C440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should anyone should look at the streamed video at the attachment and do a screen capture to see what the effect is first ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C109FD.BCC9C440 Content-Type: audio/x-pn-realaudio; name="evitrp.ram" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="evitrp.ram" rtsp://mtv.nvglb.com:554/mtv/mtv.com/mtv/realmedia/g2/clips/r/radiohead/l= ive_in_london/everthing.rm ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C109FD.BCC9C440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 11:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10328; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:49:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:49:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:47:20 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006201c10a20$c7b84ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have found this list and the loopers-delight site to be more usefull than many books, programs, etc. that i paid quite a bit for... i hope i'm not the only one who thinks so. come on guys, many of you list audio gear that cost you $1000's. chip in a bit to help out 'whiskey' kim.... > > By the way, since my "make a donation to looper's delight" appears to be a > total failure as a means to make the site pay for itself, I'm starting a > new plan. I'm calling it DrinkPal. If you like Looper's Delight, send me a > bottle of Scotch. (single malts only, please.) This should make running > this place far more bearable. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12053; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.38.145.200] From: "Brian Parker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Requests for info Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:01:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 16:01:47.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9D30460:01C10A22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I joined the LD mailing list to discuss looping. If i wanted an opinion on weather dj's or their audiences think they're "DJ's" I would have gone else where. R. Zvonar, if I appologize if i offended you, or anyone else. However I do find that whole 'dj' topic a tad bit old and dry. All i want is new perspectives on making phat loops from vinyl samples, and share what i know. Brian >From: "Denis Aldrich" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Requests for info >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:24:46 -0500 > >Person A: Request for info >Person B: Tries to give helpful info >Person A: Reads info, decides it isn't what he want, decides to dis person >B >for it. > >However inapproprate person B's response is it was given to be helpful. >Person A could of simply said it wasn't what he was looking for, rather >than >dissing over it. > >Sounds to me like a "short fuse" >Sincerly, >Denis >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12226; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:03:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ba01c10a22$58ed0a20$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> <006201c10a20$c7b84ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:58:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <2AzIDC.A.N8C.aiHT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And I chipped in $30 even though I'm ignorant and offend people! 8^D Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live > i have found this list and the loopers-delight site > to be more usefull than many books, programs, etc. > that i paid quite a bit for... > i hope i'm not the only one who thinks so. > come on guys, > many of you list audio gear that cost you $1000's. > chip in a bit to help out 'whiskey' kim.... > > > > > > By the way, since my "make a donation to looper's delight" appears to be a > > total failure as a means to make the site pay for itself, I'm starting a > > new plan. I'm calling it DrinkPal. If you like Looper's Delight, send me a > > bottle of Scotch. (single malts only, please.) This should make running > > this place far more bearable. > > > > kim > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ ______ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:05:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12457; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:55:18 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002b01c10a21$e4e20220$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009001c1099c$fffe7960$7b954e0c@u73x0> <006201c10a20$c7b84ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I could afford a Lagavulin 16, I'd buy Kim one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anthony Justman San Francisco California pantonio@pacbell.net www.greatgodpan.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live > i have found this list and the loopers-delight site > to be more usefull than many books, programs, etc. > that i paid quite a bit for... > i hope i'm not the only one who thinks so. > come on guys, > many of you list audio gear that cost you $1000's. > chip in a bit to help out 'whiskey' kim.... > > > > > > By the way, since my "make a donation to looper's delight" appears to be a > > total failure as a means to make the site pay for itself, I'm starting a > > new plan. I'm calling it DrinkPal. If you like Looper's Delight, send me a > > bottle of Scotch. (single malts only, please.) This should make running > > this place far more bearable. > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:06:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12677; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:07:02 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: what effect is this? In-reply-to: <00e201c10a31$5925a880$9c00030a@default> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <00e201c10a31$5925a880$9c00030a@default> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg Kaiss Pad. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:10:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13063; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:09:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:59:54 -0700 From: Anthony Justman Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005901c10a22$88933880$0300a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got my Electrix stuff late last week, and they got the order right. I ordered one of everything, so it was kina hard for them to screw it up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anthony Justman San Francisco California pantonio@pacbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Burnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Does anyone got Electrix ears from Musician's Friend?? > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Mark Pulver wrote: > > > Sunao Inami (06:21 PM 07/10/01) wrote: > > > > >Does anyone got Electrix gears from Musician's Friend? > > >I am still waiting over 30days since my order.. > > > > My wife got her order, but they screwed up. They sent her two Filter Queens > > and a MoFX instead of one FQ, one Warp Factory and a MoFX. > > > > She called, they said no problem the WF's are in stock and they'll ship > > one. She waited a couple of days, called, was told that the WF never went > > out and they didn't have any more. She screamed, talked to a manager, felt > > he was useless, found a WF at http://www.Music123.com, ordered one from > > there, and returned the extra FQ. > > > > I just checked Music123.com, it looks like they only have Filter Factorys left. > > Had a similar experience with Guitar Center: called one in NY, they took > my order of several pieces (1 FQ, 1 EQK, 1 mofx, 2 WF, 3FF - I had two > friends of mine combining in with me), said no problem, plenty's coming, > everything's getting restocked. 3/8 my order came in: FQ, EQK, WF. They > said they'd restock in a week, it was coming they swore - except for the > mofx, which they said was never on their order, wasn't being restocked & > they offered to special order it from Electrix at full retail price of > over $400. I called another Guitar Center a fellow list member recommended > in Portland Oregon: they got me the other five pieces. I was nice enough > to call a couple of days later and cancel the remaining order in NY: they > hadn't restocked yet and had no idea when the shipment'd arrive. I'm > tempted to buy a spare WF and put it in storage in case mine ever goes > bad, as I really appreciate what I can do with it. > > best, > Steve > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13510; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.17.53] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cal. Bass Looping Tour Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:15:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 16:15:48.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF2D1DF0:01C10A24] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All! Just a quick post to say thanks to all the LDers who showed up at each of the shows on the Solo Bass Looping Tour. It was a great time, and really cool to attach a face to those who post. It was a wonderful time touring with Michael Manring, Steve Lawson and Rick Walker. Some really great music, totally improvised and quite "loop-intensive" The turnout for each show got bigger and bigger(we est. about 450 in Santa Cruz!)....imagine that, for a LoopFest! And each city, folks were fascinated by the looping technology employed. We have a running "tour diary" posted at www.talkbass.com if anyone is interested in reading about a tour which has certainly had an impact on the public perception of looping.... thanks, Max Valentino _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13845; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:22:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:22:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Roland CDX-1 DiscLab Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004601c10a14$935724b0$0482c83f@allindlaw> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lawrence [mailto:dlawren@pacbell.net] I ran into this piece of gear yesterday on Roland's website ... it seems pretty interesting ... the phrase "sequence loops" caught my eye. It seems to be something like an SP-303 or SP808EX combined with a VS series multitrack recorder. Has anybody checked this unit out? http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/2001/cdx1.htm http://namm.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse01/Content/Roland/PR/CDX-1.html The CDX-1 DiscLab **I called roland and they siad it was like a BR-8 combined with a SP-303-- They also said real time looping was not in its vocabulary-- Could be good for those of you who don't actually perform but just play stuff back (not that there's anything wrong with that 8^/ Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14893; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:54:44 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Requests for info In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: <64INLD.A.ToD.4SIT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:01 PM +0000 7/11/01, Brian Parker wrote: >I joined the LD mailing list to discuss looping...All i want is new >perspectives on making phat loops from vinyl samples, and share what >i know. That's a pretty wide open subject, and much depends on whether you intend to create the loops in advance and then play them back live, or whether you want to grab loops on the fly, during the performance. Much also depends on your equipment. A good place to start might be to describe what you are using and how you have it hooked up, as well as what range of music you are mixing. If you're doing primarily dance music, and you want your loops to be strictly synchronous with the beat, that presents one set of problems and opportunities. If you're doing ambient soundscapes, that presents another set. Some of the issues are equipment issues, particularly if you need to establish and maintain tight sync between your CD and/or vinyl playback and your loops. Other issues arise from the way your equipment is interconnected. For instance, are you using dedicated DJ mixer, or do you have more routing and mixing flexibility? What signal processing are you using? I'm a big fan of combining both parallel and serial processing, and I like to use a mixer with a lot of auxiliary sends so that I can change the routing at will. For instance, if you have just two processors - a looping device and a multieffects processor - and a small mixer you could patch the aux sends to the inputs of the two devices and patch their outputs back to mixer inputs and then run looper||FX, or looper>FX, or FX>looper. Is that the sort of information you're after? >However I do find that whole 'dj' topic a tad bit old and dry. It is. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20396; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:40:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:40:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.115.166] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what effect is this? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:39:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 18:39:16.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA18E500:01C10A38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



No need for all that... I have this effect... it's the Korg Kaoss Pad (KP-1, for all you Model Number Heads). Great EfX, and it's economical to use (I paid $249.00 for it at the local Guitar Center). It's great for looping (it has a 5 second sampler, that is great for looping live). It has some decent delay effects, and filters. I use it a lot in my "Dj" setup, and is very versatile.

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Subject: what effect is this?
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:36:33 -0600
I should anyone should look at the streamed video at the attachment and do a
screen capture to see what the effect is first
<< evitrp.ram >>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25625; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4CB103.D5010F93@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:03:15 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live References: <002b01c1096b$e5339c40$7bb387d8@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the SP-303, but have yet to buy a smart media card reader for my mac. I do like it, so far, but I'm VERY disappointed that it does not run off batteries, like it's predecessor, the 202. I had it for a while and never checked the back for a battery compartment. One day I went out and got double AAs and what to my surprise, no where to put them! So much for having a portable field sampler. Mark Sottilaro MediaOne wrote: > re SP-303.... it does import .wav direct from SmartMedia- but only see > 1 midi in and doesent say if functions can be controlled with midi via > external controller- damn, I may have to get one of these bad boys- > http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/sp303_b.htmOm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roger foster > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM > Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live > Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest > expense)?- Take .wav files off a pc- Load 'em to a device > (what's the best device for this?)- Use a foot pedal as a > trigger- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each > setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, > which will start a different loop, replacing the previous > one.Very simple desire.Thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:12:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26107; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c10a45$a1ca5ea0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <002b01c1096b$e5339c40$7bb387d8@cliff> <3B4CB103.D5010F93@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:11:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I keep hearing "...like the 202 could do..." maybe the 202 is the underdog to get? Sound quality too shitty? Om ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live > I have the SP-303, but have yet to buy a smart media card reader for my > mac. I do like it, so far, but I'm VERY disappointed that it does not > run off batteries, like it's predecessor, the 202. I had it for a while > and never checked the back for a battery compartment. One day I went > out and got double AAs and what to my surprise, no where to put them! > So much for having a portable field sampler. > > Mark Sottilaro > > MediaOne wrote: > > > re SP-303.... it does import .wav direct from SmartMedia- but only see > > 1 midi in and doesent say if functions can be controlled with midi via > > external controller- damn, I may have to get one of these bad boys- > > http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/sp303_b.htmOm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: roger foster > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM > > Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live > > Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest > > expense)?- Take .wav files off a pc- Load 'em to a device > > (what's the best device for this?)- Use a foot pedal as a > > trigger- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each > > setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, > > which will start a different loop, replacing the previous > > one.Very simple desire.Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:39:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27068; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: "Loopers (E-mail)" Subject: midwest loop Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:32:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10A48.A2380D30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A48.A2380D30 Content-Type: text/plain Midwest loopers! kili@swbell.net Incensepeppamint@aol.com aurlite@prodigy.net dtaaffe@indiana.edu coirbidh_99@yahoo.com x_bruce@yahoo.com dennis@mdbs.com nickschillace@hotmail.com jcoker@five12.com Chicago seems to be the central location for most of us. So who in Chicago wants to secure a location? And suggest some dates. openjam.todd ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A48.A2380D30 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable midwest loop

Midwest loopers!
kili@swbell.net
Incensepeppamint@aol.com
aurlite@prodigy.net
dtaaffe@indiana.edu
coirbidh_99@yahoo.com
x_bruce@yahoo.com
dennis@mdbs.com
nickschillace@hotmail.com
 jcoker@five12.com

Chicago seems to be the central = location for most of us. So who in Chicago wants to secure a location? = And suggest some dates.

openjam.todd

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A48.A2380D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:50:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27671; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4CBB94.3D9E3A3C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:48:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live References: <002b01c1096b$e5339c40$7bb387d8@cliff> <3B4CB103.D5010F93@zerocrossing.net> <00a801c10a45$a1ca5ea0$7bb387d8@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the reason I didn't get the 202 was more an issue of sample time. I'm not sure of the quality issues. Mark MediaOne wrote: > I keep hearing "...like the 202 could do..." maybe the 202 is the underdog > to get? Sound quality too shitty? Om > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live > > > I have the SP-303, but have yet to buy a smart media card reader for my > > mac. I do like it, so far, but I'm VERY disappointed that it does not > > run off batteries, like it's predecessor, the 202. I had it for a while > > and never checked the back for a battery compartment. One day I went > > out and got double AAs and what to my surprise, no where to put them! > > So much for having a portable field sampler. > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > MediaOne wrote: > > > > > re SP-303.... it does import .wav direct from SmartMedia- but only see > > > 1 midi in and doesent say if functions can be controlled with midi via > > > external controller- damn, I may have to get one of these bad boys- > > > http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/sp303_b.htmOm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: roger foster > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:39 PM > > > Subject: Simple Question about Looping Live > > > Does anybody know how to do the following (for the lowest > > > expense)?- Take .wav files off a pc- Load 'em to a device > > > (what's the best device for this?)- Use a foot pedal as a > > > trigger- Have 5 or so buttons to hit for a song, each > > > setting off a repeating loop until you hit another button, > > > which will start a different loop, replacing the previous > > > one.Very simple desire.Thanks. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:01:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29314; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:00:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:00:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.17ac814c.287e1849@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:59:53 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #355 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I dont think Att depends on SwitchQuant, since its really meant as > "play samples from keyboard" mode (even attack velocity dependent, if > you want). > > I am amazed that its not documented.. thanks Matthias that's a nice feature. (...if Switchquant is CYC then the feature doesn't really do much) andy butler P.S.are you still accepting suggestions for the new software? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:16:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29961; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:14:24 -0500 Subject: Re: midwest loop From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Todd Quincy , "Loopers (E-mail)" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3077712865_1757473" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3077712865_1757473 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Depending on when and where, I=B9m in! =3D) Chicago is about 3 hours from me (in Indiana). mike on 7/11/01 3.32 PM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote: > Midwest loopers!=20 > kili@swbell.net=20 > Incensepeppamint@aol.com > aurlite@prodigy.net > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > x_bruce@yahoo.com > dennis@mdbs.com=20 > nickschillace@hotmail.com > jcoker@five12.com >=20 > Chicago seems to be the central location for most of us. So who in Chicag= o > wants to secure a location? And suggest some dates. >=20 > openjam.todd=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3077712865_1757473 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: midwest  loop
    Depending on when and where, I’m in!  =3D)=  Chicago is about 3 hours from me (in Indiana).

    mike



on 7/11/01 3.32 PM, Todd Quincy at tquincy@sayhhi.com wrote:

Midwest loopers!
kili@swbell.net <= BR> Incensepeppamint@aol.com=
aurlite@prodigy.net
dtaaffe@indiana.edu
coirbidh_99@yahoo.com
x_bruce@yahoo.com=
dennis@mdbs.com <= BR> nickschillace@hotmail.com
 jcoker@five12.com<= /FONT>

Chicago seems to be the central location for most of us. So = who in Chicago wants to secure a location? And suggest some dates.

openjam.todd


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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:16:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30084; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c10a4e$90273520$f443f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: OT: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF TOPIC pool of interesting free/share ware plugins Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:15:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pluggo has threatened for a long time to release a Windows version. Does anyone know if they have or if that is still in the works. I'm so into the 'wierd' and indiosyncratic when it comes to processing (as is my good friend and colleague, Miko B ;-) that I was very excited to hear about Pluggo and it's whole community of grassroots plugin developers. I think it would be very cool for everyone to share their resources regarding free and shareware plugins for both PC and Mac. We could even possibly create a special page at Loopers Delight (if that is feasible, Kim ;-) for looping processing resoursces. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:17:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30235; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:16:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I am just now decompressing from the Bass Looping Tour which was so successful that I just can't get over it!! I didn't have time to even dig into my new Electrix processors that I picked up dirt cheap so I can't wait to start learning them and incorporating them into my rig. One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are fascinated by this distinct possibility. Are you out there? what the heck are you doing. I'd love to correspond. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) P.S. Max and I contributed a daily diary to the TALKBASS.com site if anyone is interested in checking it out. We would get back at 4 or 5 a.m. after a hell of a lot of driving and playing and post, semi-deliriously before hitting the hay. I hope it reads well From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30764; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:22:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be able to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created and then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard, thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:25:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31038; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:24:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:24:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4A9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:22:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10A4F.9CE7B6D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A4F.9CE7B6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are fascinated by this distinct possibility. ** not really looping, but check out the evan parker electro acoustic ensemble: two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy) two guys processing them (can't rememeber) two guys playing and processing themselves (paul lyton, philip wachsman) second album adds third processer guy. first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember the orders of the names. titles are "towards the margins" (?) "drawn inward" (i think this is chronologically correct. some pretty great stuff, imho stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A4F.9CE7B6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live = shows?

One of the things that muliple instrument live = looping affords us is the
ability to remix in real time.  I have not seen = a lot of people doing this
very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am = interested in others who are
fascinated by this distinct possibility.

** not really looping, but check out the evan parker = electro acoustic ensemble:

two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy)
two guys processing them (can't rememeber)
two guys playing and processing themselves (paul = lyton, philip wachsman)

second album adds third processer guy.

first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember = the orders of the names. titles are "towards the margins" = (?)  "drawn inward" (i think this is chronologically = correct.

some pretty great stuff, imho

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A4F.9CE7B6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:32:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31409; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.47] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: requests for info Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:29:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 21:29:48.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C861960:01C10A50] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, The post you replied to says nothing of DJ's. That was in your reply. I said Nothing about DJ's, it was more about attitudes. Just to be on record.:-) Personally, I think DJ's have as much right to loop as a guitar player. So, to me it is as valid to talk about as looping guitars, bass, drums, etc. The last time a DJ topic came out, I found out there was music written for turntables. That is COOL! If we can talk about Klien guitars and trems as much as we do, why not turntables? Optical faders hanging up? I have more than a passing interest in this area. Let's have some new perspectives, but DJ'ing is not old and dry, just the attitudes are. Note: Not offended by DJ's. Sincerely, Denis ------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Requests for info From: "Brian Parker" I joined the LD mailing list to discuss looping. If i wanted an opinion on weather dj's or their audiences think they're "DJ's" I would have gone else where. R. Zvonar, if I appologize if i offended you, or anyone else. However I do find that whole 'dj' topic a tad bit old and dry. All i want is new perspectives on making phat loops from vinyl samples, and share what i know. Brian >From: "Denis Aldrich" >Subject: Requests for info > >Person A: Request for info >Person B: Tries to give helpful info >Person A: Reads info, decides it isn't what he want, decides to dis person >B >for it. > >However inapproprate person B's response is it was given to be helpful. >Person A could of simply said it wasn't what he was looking for, rather >than >dissing over it. > >Sounds to me like a "short fuse" >Sincerly, >Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31853; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:37:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dylan B DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_k5EaD.A.kxH.qbMT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being a beginner with the edp, I use it with my turntables to: build up a beat for myself to scratch to. I.e. Catch a bassline from a jazz album (Let's say the opening bassline from Lee Morgan's Sidewinder), then add a little hi-hat from a break beat record, throw in some Al Green "Jesus is waiting" and then scratch on top of that for a few bars. I then go into an accapella moment, and bring it all back or switch it up to an entirely different set of musical components. Once I get tired of working with what I have built up, I undo a few components of the sample and then use another couple of riffs to build it back up. It's infinitely modular, the hard part is finding musical pieces that fit well together. If I get tired of it all, I just use undo to decompose back down to zero and begin again. The challenge that I find here is making sure that I have my sets laid out very tightly, as there isn't much room for error when you are trying to keep the beat going, catch a loop and then bring that same loop in as a replacement to it's original source. If I do goof and drop the ball, I usually end up changing the mix around a bit, which is uncharted territory, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Alternatively: I extend the song that I am playing, by catching a phrase or break beat into the edp, and scratch or remix that same phrase back into the mix. I grab the beat/chorus and work the vocals back in, trying to rework or reword them. Then I bring the original record back into the mix, let it run for a few bars, grab a beat and work with that. This is simple and is nowhere near full utilization of the edp, but I am a beginner, hoping to get to a proficiency level that is acceptable. I love having my edp for looping. My original inspiration for getting one was having a 5 second sample capability on my mixer (Korg Kaoss Pad on a Numark EM-360 mixer), this merely whet my appetite for looping. I started looking for samplers, and figured, "Why not get the big daddy, the edp." D -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Hi guys, I am just now decompressing from the Bass Looping Tour which was so successful that I just can't get over it!! I didn't have time to even dig into my new Electrix processors that I picked up dirt cheap so I can't wait to start learning them and incorporating them into my rig. One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are fascinated by this distinct possibility. Are you out there? what the heck are you doing. I'd love to correspond. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) P.S. Max and I contributed a daily diary to the TALKBASS.com site if anyone is interested in checking it out. We would get back at 4 or 5 a.m. after a hell of a lot of driving and playing and post, semi-deliriously before hitting the hay. I hope it reads well From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:46:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32262; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dylan B DeAnda" To: Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love to hear from other DJ's out there who are using the edp or any other loopers in their performance and see what they are up to. Always looking for new ideas. Has anyone seen DJ Radar do his looping performance? Amazing. He has also done a composition for an orchestra, with the Turntables as the lead, and performed it in Phoenix, anyone seen that? D -----Original Message----- From: Dylan B DeAnda [mailto:dylan@loudcloud.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Being a beginner with the edp, I use it with my turntables to: build up a beat for myself to scratch to. I.e. Catch a bassline from a jazz album (Let's say the opening bassline from Lee Morgan's Sidewinder), then add a little hi-hat from a break beat record, throw in some Al Green "Jesus is waiting" and then scratch on top of that for a few bars. I then go into an accapella moment, and bring it all back or switch it up to an entirely different set of musical components. Once I get tired of working with what I have built up, I undo a few components of the sample and then use another couple of riffs to build it back up. It's infinitely modular, the hard part is finding musical pieces that fit well together. If I get tired of it all, I just use undo to decompose back down to zero and begin again. The challenge that I find here is making sure that I have my sets laid out very tightly, as there isn't much room for error when you are trying to keep the beat going, catch a loop and then bring that same loop in as a replacement to it's original source. If I do goof and drop the ball, I usually end up changing the mix around a bit, which is uncharted territory, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Alternatively: I extend the song that I am playing, by catching a phrase or break beat into the edp, and scratch or remix that same phrase back into the mix. I grab the beat/chorus and work the vocals back in, trying to rework or reword them. Then I bring the original record back into the mix, let it run for a few bars, grab a beat and work with that. This is simple and is nowhere near full utilization of the edp, but I am a beginner, hoping to get to a proficiency level that is acceptable. I love having my edp for looping. My original inspiration for getting one was having a 5 second sample capability on my mixer (Korg Kaoss Pad on a Numark EM-360 mixer), this merely whet my appetite for looping. I started looking for samplers, and figured, "Why not get the big daddy, the edp." D -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Hi guys, I am just now decompressing from the Bass Looping Tour which was so successful that I just can't get over it!! I didn't have time to even dig into my new Electrix processors that I picked up dirt cheap so I can't wait to start learning them and incorporating them into my rig. One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are fascinated by this distinct possibility. Are you out there? what the heck are you doing. I'd love to correspond. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) P.S. Max and I contributed a daily diary to the TALKBASS.com site if anyone is interested in checking it out. We would get back at 4 or 5 a.m. after a hell of a lot of driving and playing and post, semi-deliriously before hitting the hay. I hope it reads well From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:59:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00525; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Requests for info Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:59:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this post has much better potential for an old west/outlaw spin-off. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Brian Parker [mailto:bp33@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Requests for info I joined the LD mailing list to discuss looping. If i wanted an opinion on weather dj's or their audiences think they're "DJ's" I would have gone else where.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02180; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:04:09 -0500 To: Todd Quincy , "Loopers (E-mail)" From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: midwest loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Todd, I'm in Chicago but not sure what you're proposing by the term, "secure location." Sounds like you're talking about a loop fest, right? Best regards, Eric --------------------- Upcoming Performances, Broadcasts, Etc.: Friday, July 13, 5:00--8:00 pm, opening trio performance with Stephen Boyer (invented instruments) and Laurie Lee Moses (saxophone) at Fassbender van Straaten Gallery, for INTERFACE: EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES. Address: 835 W. Washington. (312) 666-4302. http://www.fassbendergallery.com/upcoming.html Friday, July 20, 10:00 pm, duo performance with Carol Genetti (voice) and the duo of Jonathan Chen (violin, electronics) and Jen Walshe (voice), at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Friday, July 27, 9:00 pm, Dead CEO presents: Eric Leonardson, solo; Carol Genetti (voice) and Fred Lonberg-Holm (cello), duo; Other artists to be confirmed, at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Tuesday, July 31, 8:00 pm, trio performance with Hal Rammel (invented instruments), Eric Leonardson (invented instruments), Michael Zerang (percussion) at the Candlestick Maker, 4432 N. Kedzie, (773) 463-0158). New on Compact Disc: Winter Construction (dceo003) A compilation of Chicago artists with accompanying zine... available on-line at Dead CEO: http://www.deadceo.com/ Visit the High Zero 2000 documentation web site, "images, sound and video samples from...the High Zero festival of experimental improvised music, September 21 - 24 in Baltimore...34 amazing improvisers from Europe, North America and our own Baltimore.": http://www.highzero.org/festival_documentation/highzero2000documentati on/index.htm Eric Leonardson web pages: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02503; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:11:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:10:39 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF TOPIC pool of interesting free/share ware plugins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA02468 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, As of about a month ago, the Windows version of MAX/MSP with Pluggo probably following shortly thereafter, were still in the alpha development phase. Which means that Beta testing isn't ready... so don't hold your breath! It's being worked on happily now though, so at least expect to see it... 8-) I'm harried for time so this will be short, but major KUDOS for a great show Monday eve at the Bass Loopfest! I especially enjoyed your contributions to the overall improvs and your solo set... Best, -Miko >>> GLOBAL@cruzio.com 07/11/01 02:15PM >>> Pluggo has threatened for a long time to release a Windows version. Does anyone know if they have or if that is still in the works. I'm so into the 'wierd' and indiosyncratic when it comes to processing (as is my good friend and colleague, Miko B ;-) that I was very excited to hear about Pluggo and it's whole community of grassroots plugin developers. I think it would be very cool for everyone to share their resources regarding free and shareware plugins for both PC and Mac. We could even possibly create a special page at Loopers Delight (if that is feasible, Kim ;-) for looping processing resoursces. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03570; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c10a5a$17d5b360$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <007301c10a4e$90273520$f443f93f@looppool> Subject: Re: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF TOPIC pool of interesting free/share ware plugins Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:37:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plugins are perhaps cool, but for what app? I don't have Acid or Frooty Loops, nor any of that jazz, unless it's basically free. That's my budget, unless someone wants to give me a copy for testing the crap out of it. "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" put forth: > I think it would be very cool for everyone to share their resources > regarding free and shareware plugins for both PC and Mac. > We could even possibly create a special page at Loopers Delight (if that is > feasible, Kim ;-) for looping processing resoursces. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04026; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:45:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:45:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:16:10 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? In-reply-to: <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, I heard you would be filming the Rio theater show, which sadly i was unable to attend but at least saw san jose which was my into to modern looping and the most inspiring thing I've seen. How could a person go about getting a copy of that on VHS, as a big fat download, or on DVD at whatever a reasonable price would be???? Also, typing in bass looping and your name on yahoo it looked like there have been a lot of creative gigs you've been involved with in the area. Please put me on whatever lists or anything that would increase the chance of me knowing long enough in advance to attend your future gigs. AMAZING!!!!! When you played the acoustics of the cafe after that mic went out!!! People were laughing strictly in wonder at how you'd turned that around and how great it sounded with the piece. What an amazing performer/artist! P.S. I'm sad to have missed Max's performance entirely 'cause of being late to the San Jose show which I'm sure was amazing too!!( hopefully a video of the Rio show from Monday will fix that?) on 7/11/01 2:16 PM, Rick Walker (loop.pool) at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am just now decompressing from the Bass Looping Tour which was so > successful that I just can't get over it!! I didn't have time to > even dig into my new Electrix processors that I picked up dirt cheap so I > can't wait to start learning them and incorporating them into > my rig. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:59:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04824; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010711185446.007c7ec0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:54:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? In-Reply-To: References: <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:16 PM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >AMAZING!!!!! When you played the acoustics of the cafe after that mic went >out!!! People were laughing strictly in wonder at how you'd turned that >around and how great it sounded with the piece. I'd like to hear more about this! What happened Rick? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06399; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:00:36 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF TOPIC pool of interesting free/share ware plugins In-reply-to: <007301c10a4e$90273520$f443f93f@looppool> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217229623==_ma============" References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <007301c10a4e$90273520$f443f93f@looppool> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217229623==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 2:15 PM -0700 7/11/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote: >Pluggo has threatened for a long time to release a Windows version. Does >anyone know if they have or if that is still in the works. From the Cycling74 Web site: >Q - Do you have plans to port your software to PC? > >A - Yes, but unfortunately development has been delayed. Windows Max >is currently in development. Windows MSP and Pluggo will follow. We >do not have an expected release date for those products, yet. We >have no current plans to port M to the PC. That's what they've been saying for quite some time. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz --============_-1217229623==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF
At 2:15 PM -0700 7/11/01, Rick Walker (loop.pool) wrote:
Pluggo has threatened for a long time to release a Windows version.  Does
anyone know if they have or if that is still in the works.

From the Cycling74 Web site:

Q - Do you have plans to port your software to PC?

A - Yes, but unfortunately development has been delayed. Windows Max is currently in development. Windows MSP and Pluggo will follow. We do not have an expected release date for those products, yet. We have no current plans to port M to the PC.


That's what they've been saying for quite some time.



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--============_-1217229623==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:12:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06377; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:05:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:57:46 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Pluggo queery and a request to create an OFF TOPIC pool of interesting free/share ware plugins In-reply-to: <003d01c10a5a$17d5b360$0201a8c0@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <007301c10a4e$90273520$f443f93f@looppool> <003d01c10a5a$17d5b360$0201a8c0@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: <5guu6D.A.3iB.LuNT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:37 PM +0100 7/11/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Plugins are perhaps cool, but for what app? I don't have Acid or Frooty >Loops, nor any of that jazz, unless it's basically free. That's my budget, >unless someone wants to give me a copy for testing the crap out of it. Try rVst and xVst. These two VST "shells" allow you to run signal through two VST plug-ins in series. http://groovylab.com/apps/ http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~jpino/shareware/ProgramReviews/xVst.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07320; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <98.1761245f.287e390a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:19:38 EDT Subject: Re: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_98.1761245f.287e390a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_98.1761245f.287e390a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/01 5:16:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the > ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this > very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are > fascinated by this distinct possibility. > rick.....please give an example of what you are doing.....are you talking about creating a loop and then "warping" it out with prosessors in real time? or what?.....my *live* shows have been in resturant/lounge venues, not big time loop xtravaganzas.....oh you lucky man!.....so i do a bit of loop messing but not as much as i do in my studio when im being totally self-indulgant.....i was very fortunate to get some electix stuff but i dont think ill use that till i learn it better.....my last "gig" at my sweeties art opening, i took my mighty casio cz-5000 and sent that through my zoom 2100 -> digi space ped-> rang -> and played with some percussive loops on the sequencer of the casio, these went on for about 3-5 min, no one seemed to get upset and it was a lot of fun to mess with.....i really want to make my playing out to be more like 50% guitar stuff and 50% (GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT), perhaps this is the re-mixing your talking about rick :?), right now im 97% guitar and just a few moments of wackiness, i want a better balance!.....got a gig next week, this might be fun to kick around.....:)m p.s." (Miko is a notable exception) " ktcb --part1_98.1761245f.287e390a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/01 5:16:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the
ability to remix in real time.  I have not seen a lot of people doing this
very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are
fascinated by this distinct possibility.


rick.....please give an example of what you are doing.....are you talking
about creating a loop and then "warping" it out with prosessors in real time?
or what?.....my *live* shows have been in resturant/lounge venues, not big
time loop xtravaganzas.....oh you lucky man!.....so i do a bit of loop
messing but not as much as i do in my studio when im being totally
self-indulgant.....i was very fortunate to get some electix stuff but i dont
think ill use that till i learn it better.....my last "gig" at my sweeties
art opening, i took my mighty casio cz-5000 and sent that through my zoom
2100 -> digi space ped-> rang -> and played with some percussive loops on the
sequencer of the casio, these went on for about 3-5 min, no one seemed to get
upset and it was a lot of fun to mess with.....i really want to make my
playing out to be more like 50% guitar stuff and 50% (GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT),
perhaps this is the re-mixing your talking about rick :?), right now im 97%
guitar and just a few moments of wackiness, i want a better balance!.....got
a gig next week, this might be fun to kick around.....:)m
p.s." (Miko is a notable exception) " ktcb --part1_98.1761245f.287e390a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:37:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08072; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:28:56 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4A9@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217227823==_ma============" References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4A9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217227823==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 5:22 PM -0400 7/11/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >** not really looping, but check out the evan parker electro >acoustic ensemble: > >two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy) >two guys processing them (can't rememeber) >two guys playing and processing themselves (paul lyton, philip wachsman) > >second album adds third processer guy. > >first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember the orders of >the names. titles are "towards the margins" (?) "drawn inward" (i >think this is chronologically correct. =46rom : 1990, Hall of mirrors MM&T CD 01. Duo with Walter Prati. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, voice Walter Prati, live electronics. 1996, Toward the margins, ECM New series 1612. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, gong Barry Guy, double bass Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing. 1997, Solar wind Touch TO:35. With Lawrence Casserley. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instrument. 1997, Work in progress =46MR sampler 3 (from Avant magazine). One track with Lawrence Casserley. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone Noel Akchot=E9, amplified guitar Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instruments Joel Ryan, computer. 1997, Live at Les Instants Chavires Leo LR 255. With Noel Akchot=E9, Lawrence Casserley and Joel Ryan. Thurston Moore, electric guitar Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophone Walter Prati, live electronics, six-string electric bass. 1998, The promise Materiali Sonori MASO CD 90106. With Thurston Moore and Walter Prati. 1998, London's overthrow Ash International {R.I.P.} Ash 4.3. Track on compilation CD. Evan Parker, overdubbed and multi-tracked soprano saxophones 1998, Drawn inward, ECM 1693. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble. Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophones, kh=E8ne Barry Guy, double bass Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing Lawrence Casserley, live electronics, sound processing Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing. * * * * * http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0398_2.htm http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mparkint.html Evan Parker http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/parker.html Paul Lytton http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mlytton.html Philipp Wachsmann http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mwachs.html Lawrence Casserley http://www.chiltern.demon.co.uk/ Walter Prati http://www.cematitalia.it/servizi/profilierepertori/interpreti/p/prati.htm Joel Ryan http://www.frankfurt-ballett.de/joel.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz --============_-1217227823==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live
At 5:22 PM -0400 7/11/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:

** not really looping, but check out the evan parker electro acoustic ensemble:
two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy)
two guys processing them (can't rememeber)
two guys playing and processing themselves (paul lyton, philip wachsman)
second album adds third processer guy.
first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember the orders of the names. titles are "towards the margins" (?)  "drawn inward" (i think this is chronologically correct.


From <http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mparker.html>:

1990,   Hall of mirrors
MM&T CD 01. Duo with Walter Prati.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, voice
        Walter Prati, live electronics.

1996,   Toward the margins,
ECM New series 1612. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, gong
        Barry Guy, double bass
        Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics
        Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing
        Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing
        Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing.

1997,   Solar wind      Touch TO:35. With Lawrence Casserley.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone
        Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instrument.

1997,   Work in progress       
FMR sampler 3 (from Avant magazine). One track with Lawrence Casserley.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone
        Noel Akchot=E9, amplified guitar
        Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instruments
        Joel Ryan, computer.

1997,   Live at Les Instants Chavires  
Leo LR 255. With Noel Akchot=E9, Lawrence Casserley and Joel Ryan.
        Thurston Moore, electric guitar
        Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophone
        Walter Prati, live electronics, six-string electric bass. 

1998,   The promise    = ;
Materiali Sonori MASO CD 90106.
With Thurston Moore and Walter Prati.
1998,   London's overthrow     
Ash International {R.I.P.} Ash 4.3. Track on compilation CD.
        Evan Parker, overdubbed and multi-tracked soprano saxophones
1998,   Drawn inward, ECM 1693. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble.
        Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophones, kh=E8ne
        Barry Guy, double bass
        Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics
        Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing           
        Lawrence Casserley, live electronics, sound processing
        Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing
        Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing.


*      = ; *       *       *       *      

http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0398_2.htm

http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mparkint.html


Evan Parker     http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/parker.html

Paul Lytton     http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mlytton.html

Philipp Wachsmann       http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mwachs.html              

Lawrence Casserley      http://www.chiltern.demon.co.uk/

Walter Prati    http://www.cematitalia.it/servizi/profilierepertori/interpreti/p/prati.htm

Joel Ryan       http://www.frankfurt-ballett.de/joel.html
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--============_-1217227823==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08376; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:38:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:38:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:38:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I keep seeing all these emails - on this list and others - about how everyone has been going out to buy the dirt cheap Electrix processors at Guitar Center and other places. I've seen them in the catalogs I get too, and I think I even bounced out to their website when it all first went on sale. These boxes are kinda cool, sure, but on the surface they don't seem like showstoppers for a looper. Can someone help? How are you planning to use these in a looping context? I'd be especially interested in hearing how you might use these boxes in a MIDI automation context... BTW, I'm a musician, not a DJ... thx. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:46:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08695; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4CE5DC.42CBA7D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:49:45 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <007501c10a4e$b2901b40$f443f93f@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am just now decompressing from the Bass Looping Tour which was so > successful that I just can't get over it!! I didn't have time to > even dig into my new Electrix processors that I picked up dirt cheap so I > can't wait to start learning them and incorporating them into > my rig. > > One of the things that muliple instrument live looping affords us is the > ability to remix in real time. I have not seen a lot of people doing this > very much (Miko is a notable exception) and am interested in others who are > fascinated by this distinct possibility. > > Are you out there? what the heck are you doing. I'd love to correspond. > > Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > P.S. Max and I contributed a daily diary to the TALKBASS.com site if anyone > is interested in checking it out. We would get back at 4 or 5 a.m. after a > hell of a lot of driving and playing and post, semi-deliriously before > hitting the hay. I hope it reads well rick, i've been listening to the KPIG archive webcast, and i must say i'm totally blown away by you guys! makes me very sorry to have missed the shows...i do have a technical question for you rick: what gear did you have with you for that interview? in particular, there were some really lovely tapped and/or thrummed and reverberated tones in your piece (layed over the groovy syncopated gamelan-like bed), starting around 9:50 or so...did your signal go through anything particularly exotic, or was that just your superlative alligator-clip & martini stick technique? oh, and what did you mix through? rock on, maestros! best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09056; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4AD@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live shows? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:44:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10A63.77481FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A63.77481FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think richard has found the info . . .=20 =20 don't know if it'll help rick tho' At 5:22 PM -0400 7/11/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: ** not really looping, but check out the evan parker electro acoustic ensemble: two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy) two guys processing them (can't rememeber) two guys playing and processing themselves (paul lyton, philip = wachsman) second album adds third processer guy. first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember the orders of the = names. titles are "towards the margins" (?) "drawn inward" (i think this is chronologically correct. >From : 1990, Hall of mirrors=20 MM&T CD 01. Duo with Walter Prati. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, voice Walter Prati, live electronics. 1996, Toward the margins, ECM New series 1612. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, gong Barry Guy, double bass Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound = processing Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing. 1997, Solar wind Touch TO:35. With Lawrence Casserley. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instrument. 1997, Work in progress =20 FMR sampler 3 (from Avant magazine). One track with Lawrence Casserley. Evan Parker, soprano saxophone Noel Akchot=E9, amplified guitar Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instruments Joel Ryan, computer. 1997, Live at Les Instants Chavires =20 Leo LR 255. With Noel Akchot=E9, Lawrence Casserley and Joel Ryan. Thurston Moore, electric guitar Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophone Walter Prati, live electronics, six-string electric bass.=20 1998, The promise =20 Materiali Sonori MASO CD 90106. With Thurston Moore and Walter Prati. 1998, London's overthrow =20 Ash International {R.I.P.} Ash 4.3. Track on compilation CD. Evan Parker, overdubbed and multi-tracked soprano saxophones 1998, Drawn inward, ECM 1693. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic = Ensemble. Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophones, kh=E8ne Barry Guy, double bass Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound = processing Lawrence Casserley, live electronics, sound processing Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing. * * * * * =20 http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0398_2.htm http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mparkint.html Evan Parker http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/parker.html Paul Lytton http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mlytton.html Philipp Wachsmann = http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mwachs.html Lawrence Casserley http://www.chiltern.demon.co.uk/ Walter Prati http://www.cematitalia.it/servizi/profilierepertori/interpreti/p/prati.h= tm Joel Ryan http://www.frankfurt-ballett.de/joel.html --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD =20 (818) 788-2202 =20 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A63.77481FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: What kinds of ReMixing are you doing in your live
i think richard has found the info . . .
 
don't know if it'll help rick tho'


At 5:22 PM -0400 7/11/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote:

** not really looping, but check out the evan parker electro acoustic ensemble:
two guys playing straight (parker, barry guy)
two guys processing them (can't rememeber)
two guys playing and processing themselves (paul lyton, philip wachsman)
second album adds third processer guy.
first album is my fave, both on ecm, can't remember the orders of the names. titles are "towards the margins" (?)  "drawn inward" (i think this is chronologically correct.


From <http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mparker.html>:

1990,   Hall of mirrors
MM&T CD 01. Duo with Walter Prati.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, voice
        Walter Prati, live electronics.

1996,   Toward the margins,
ECM New series 1612. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, gong
        Barry Guy, double bass
        Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics
        Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing
        Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing
        Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing.

1997,   Solar wind      Touch TO:35. With Lawrence Casserley.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone
        Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instrument.

1997,   Work in progress       
FMR sampler 3 (from Avant magazine). One track with Lawrence Casserley.
        Evan Parker, soprano saxophone
        Noel Akchoté, amplified guitar
        Lawrence Casserley, signal processing instruments
        Joel Ryan, computer.

1997,   Live at Les Instants Chavires  
Leo LR 255. With Noel Akchoté, Lawrence Casserley and Joel Ryan.
        Thurston Moore, electric guitar
        Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophone
        Walter Prati, live electronics, six-string electric bass. 

1998,   The promise    
Materiali Sonori MASO CD 90106.
With Thurston Moore and Walter Prati.
1998,   London's overthrow     
Ash International {R.I.P.} Ash 4.3. Track on compilation CD.
        Evan Parker, overdubbed and multi-tracked soprano saxophones
1998,   Drawn inward, ECM 1693. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble.
        Evan Parker, soprano and tenor saxophones, khène
        Barry Guy, double bass
        Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics
        Philipp Wachsmann, violin, viola, live electronics, sound processing           
        Lawrence Casserley, live electronics, sound processing
        Walter Prati, live electronics, sound processing
        Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound processing.


*       *       *       *       *      

http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/0398_2.htm

http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/mparkint.html


Evan Parker     http://www.musicnow.co.uk/composers/parker.html

Paul Lytton     http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mlytton.html

Philipp Wachsmann       http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mwachs.html              

Lawrence Casserley      http://www.chiltern.demon.co.uk/

Walter Prati    http://www.cematitalia.it/servizi/profilierepertori/interpreti/p/prati.htm

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C10A63.77481FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:55:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09505; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c10a64$d43169a0$c3761e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1qj6-C.A.VUC.RcOT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine are being used on my aux sends- I can send any amount of their output to my EDP or Jam Man or Vortex etc or to each other- I love the momentary buttons and sync abilities- also, I am using my Mo-Fx knobs to control my volume and pan automation in Cubase- you can also record all the movements to a midi sequencer if you like and play back to automate them- much more but I have to go... Om www.delphi.com/electrix ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Mulvihill To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... > I keep seeing all these emails - on this list and others - about how > everyone has been going out to buy the dirt cheap Electrix processors at > Guitar Center and other places. I've seen them in the catalogs I get too, > and I think I even bounced out to their website when it all first went on > sale. > > These boxes are kinda cool, sure, but on the surface they don't seem like > showstoppers for a looper. Can someone help? How are you planning to use > these in a looping context? I'd be especially interested in hearing how you > might use these boxes in a MIDI automation context... > > BTW, I'm a musician, not a DJ... thx. > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11121; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:03:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:02:10 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA11075 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These boxes are for stereoizing and post-processing the loops. (or other sounds in the vicinity). Most of us probably loop in mono... I PLAY real-time in stereo, and it's most fulfilling to have a stereo loop happening as well... although I'd love to have a stereo looper that records my original stereo motion. (Gotta get that second EDP). -Miko >>> kmulvihill@mediaone.net 07/11/01 04:38PM >>> I keep seeing all these emails - on this list and others - about how everyone has been going out to buy the dirt cheap Electrix processors at Guitar Center and other places. I've seen them in the catalogs I get too, and I think I even bounced out to their website when it all first went on sale. These boxes are kinda cool, sure, but on the surface they don't seem like showstoppers for a looper. Can someone help? How are you planning to use these in a looping context? I'd be especially interested in hearing how you might use these boxes in a MIDI automation context... BTW, I'm a musician, not a DJ... thx. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11626; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4CEAF8.CA0FB8E4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:10:33 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... References: <000801c10a64$d43169a0$c3761e18@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a mo-fx pre JamMan that is being synched by the midi clock of a Roland MC-307 (as is the JamMan) The output of the JamMan gets put into a Vortex, that is synched off the LED of the Mo-FX. (Thanks to my custom Wink Blink Synch courtesy of Industrial Toy Inc.) That all gets fed to a Mackie mixer. I've got both aux sends going to a Warp Factory. That way, I can chose any channel to be the formant or the source for Vocoding. The results are truly psychedelic. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11875; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c10a67$6b91a1a0$c3761e18@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:13:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I pre-process just as much as post- the possibilities are vast- Om ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Biffle To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... > These boxes are for stereoizing and post-processing the loops. (or other sounds in the vicinity). Most of us probably loop in mono... I PLAY real-time in stereo, and it's most fulfilling to have a stereo loop happening as well... although I'd love to have a stereo looper that records my original stereo motion. (Gotta get that second EDP). > > -Miko > > >>> kmulvihill@mediaone.net 07/11/01 04:38PM >>> > I keep seeing all these emails - on this list and others - about how > everyone has been going out to buy the dirt cheap Electrix processors at > Guitar Center and other places. I've seen them in the catalogs I get too, > and I think I even bounced out to their website when it all first went on > sale. > > These boxes are kinda cool, sure, but on the surface they don't seem like > showstoppers for a looper. Can someone help? How are you planning to use > these in a looping context? I'd be especially interested in hearing how you > might use these boxes in a MIDI automation context... > > BTW, I'm a musician, not a DJ... thx. > > Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12150; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:15:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:15:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c10a67$43d004e0$a9456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: Subject: Fw: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:10:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.169 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just "hired" another person to play and perform with me, whose main task is the loop treatment. After the loop is made of my guitars and percussion, it is run on its own through all that Electrix gear and other processors, compressed and returned to my mix. There I can decide how much should be actually fed out into the main outputs. In this way I got another instrument out of the Electrix's stuff! Petr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:46:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13102; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c10a6c$41e29a80$b9944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:47:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim wrote: >I have been known to enjoy a good southern bourbon >now and then. With the good small batch stuff, it's >gotta be neat too! Unless it's in a mint julep, of course. Sorry to perseverate and continue this OT ETOH thread, but I have to add my words of praise for the underappreciated mint julep. Before ever trying one I always thought of it as a the kind of delicate beverage that genteel Southern ladies would politely sip at garden parties. But years ago on a visit to New Orleans I sampled one and was amazed by how strong it was! And tasty. A pleasant antidote to excessive heat and humidity. I was sold. I was later delighted to learn the derivation of the word "julep" -- coming from Persian "gul" (rose) and "ab" (water). In deference to the Eastern origin of the word, if not the drink, I sometimes add a drop or two of rosewater when making a mint julep. As far as Scotch goes, you guys are all welcome to my share . . . I still can't appreciate it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:58:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13663; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B4CF5BE.9898C9AD@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:56:30 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Suite for microphone cord and warp factory: This piece debuts tomorrow night as the attack section of the dragon hatching performance in the center of the Draka benefit at 1015 folsom in SF (I didn't mention that this is gig spam disguised as ruminations about cheap ellectrix gear, did I?). So I gots me mackie in a suitcase, with aux send 2 going into the formant, and sub bus outs 3 & 4 going into the input of the warp factory. Which means that any channel can be source; any channel can be formant. So here's what I do: loops with droning vocals as source, also some of Rick's dreaded robot pitch knob. Microphone with cheap mic cable routed as formant, with channel turned way up, but the sound only goes to the formant, not the mains. Since the cable is cheap, any wiggling or tapping the cord or stepping on it, or even doing the roger daltrey mic twirl, wil result in signal being sent to the formant. Now, I've got the "Source Kill" button turned on, so nothing goes through the vocoder until we get microphone cable glitches. The result: really wild phunkly electronic rhythms spewed out of the back of the vocoder. (Further warped by the filter queen's envelope follower). Light taps make a super modulated dragon heartbeat; scratches on the windscreen give grating blob texture; counterpoint by wiggling the mic cord. The biggest drawback: I'm using two hands to tap the mic & cables, so I'm forced to use my toes to tweak the warp factory's parameter knobs. Simran > > I've got a mo-fx pre JamMan that is being synched by the midi clock of a > Roland MC-307 (as is the JamMan) The output of the JamMan gets put into a > Vortex, that is synched off the LED of the Mo-FX. (Thanks to my custom Wink > Blink Synch courtesy of Industrial Toy Inc.) That all gets fed to a Mackie > mixer. I've got both aux sends going to a Warp Factory. That way, I can > chose any channel to be the formant or the source for Vocoding. The results > are truly psychedelic. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:14:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15359; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <110.234aa99.287e536a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:12:10 EDT Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.234aa99.287e536a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: <0v_jPB.A.fvD.ImPT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_110.234aa99.287e536a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/01 8:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, simran.gleason@Sun.COM writes: > so > I'm > forced to use my toes to tweak the warp factory's parameter knobs. > this is truely the spirit!.....bless ya!.....seriously though, as cliff said "the possibilities are vast" with these boxes.....:)m --part1_110.234aa99.287e536a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/01 8:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
simran.gleason@Sun.COM writes:


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this is truely the spirit!.....bless ya!.....seriously though, as cliff said
"the possibilities are vast" with these boxes.....:)m --part1_110.234aa99.287e536a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:52:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16468; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:49:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B4D01E2.953916F3@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:48:18 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, sburnett@webslingerz.com Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Draka the Dragon is the large dragon sculpture that appeared at burningman for the first time last year. And by "large" I mean some thing of the order of this beast was built on three bus chassis. The creation of Lisa Nigro and (by now) a large team of others (I'm not sure who's really responsible). I don't know who Steve Stirling is, so I can't answer that. It will serve as the public transportation system this year at black rock city for burningman 2k1. The benefit is a large party with DJs going all night. At midnite there will be a little theatrical performance with fire spinners and such. I've assembled a small team of imrpov musicians to do the sound for it. After the performance we'll play a little ten minute loop-based set. For more into check out http://www.drakathedragon.org Simran > From: Steve Burnett > > Draka benefit? Hmm? Steve Stirling's Draka, or something else? Would you > mind explaining what a Draka benefit is? Sounds like a cool use of the > WarpFactory, by the way. > > thanks, > Steve > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 23:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21687; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010711211729.007c0dd0@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:17:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard In-Reply-To: <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0GN4e.A.qSF.-eRT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The older Roland S-10 sampler could do this. The sample time was a bit small, but I think it could be quite workable. Rick, glad to see ya back! Congratulations on the tour! Smiles, G-Girl At 02:22 PM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to >sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a >keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be able >to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created and >then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard, > >thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 23:33:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22257; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010711213725.0079f500@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:37:25 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Octophonic sound system Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, I found out the name of the software my ffriend uses for his eight channel system. It's a software package for the mac, called Sigma-1. Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 23:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22635; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d001c10a83$6084e440$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <006c01c10a67$43d004e0$a9456f40@oemcomputer> Subject: OT: bass processing Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:33:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the off-topicality of this question, but I'm sure one of you bass-playin' gearheads can answer this simple question: I have a 5-string bass and I want to run it through an Electro-Harmonix Microsynth (which is NOT the bass model). Will this damage the microsynth? Thanx. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 01:11:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28056; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:12:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: OT: bass processing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry for the off-topicality of this question, but I'm sure one of you >bass-playin' gearheads can answer this simple question: > >I have a 5-string bass and I want to run it through an Electro-Harmonix >Microsynth (which is NOT the bass model). Will this damage the microsynth? > Won't hurt the Microsynth, just don't expect it to track all that well. The bass model barely tracks the b string. Still sounds ultra cool, though... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 01:12:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28334; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:11:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:11:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c10b1f$c31c7b80$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <006c01c10a67$43d004e0$a9456f40@oemcomputer> <00d001c10a83$6084e440$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: bass processing Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:12:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noway! Bass through guitar shit is exciting. Even if it did hurt it, , you might be going for sort of sound where a pedal should be caned. Hurt the man. Man DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: OT: bass processing > Sorry for the off-topicality of this question, but I'm sure one of you > bass-playin' gearheads can answer this simple question: > > I have a 5-string bass and I want to run it through an Electro-Harmonix > Microsynth (which is NOT the bass model). Will this damage the microsynth? > > Thanx. > > > Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 01:26:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29433; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:28:15 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20010711213725.0079f500@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.5.32.20010711213725.0079f500@mail.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:37 PM -0600 7/11/01, Goddess wrote: > Hi again, I found out the name of the software my ffriend uses for his >eight channel system. It's a software package for the mac, called Sigma-1. http://www.apbtools.com/frames2.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 02:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31426; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:31:08 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: The Dirt Cheap Electrix Gear... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the one's everyone else is talking about, but one thing you could have fun with is their vocoder to use one track to trigger/ percussively open and close a set of filters on another stream of sound that roughly resemble the shape of the sound in those frequencies of the first. That is my favorite vocoder effect, although you could pull this of with a ring modulator or by "ducking" with a comperssor/limiter/gate, there's nothing like vocoding. Think of the phil collins line "well i remembah..." from "I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord" only with another track(even something like a high hat part) affecting the synth sound instead of his words. on 7/11/01 4:38 PM, Kevin Mulvihill at kmulvihill@mediaone.net wrote: > These boxes are kinda cool, sure, but on the surface they don't seem like > showstoppers for a looper. Can someone help? How are you planning to use > these in a looping context? I'd be especially interested in hearing how you > might use these boxes in a MIDI automation context... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 02:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31599; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:00:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:00:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAksHVxo7fjhkSmadJT9OIxJ6hdhICFDJ9Pg75+upZGFjKtFBWwCuPXtrD From: jth3@webtv.net (James Hines) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:59:55 -0600 (MDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system Message-ID: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Richard Zvonar 's message of Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:28:15 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade, I would be careful investing too much energy or money into an octaphonic sound system. But let me explain. If you only would intend to use such a system for live performance - then GREAT, by all means, go ahead. As a recording medium, however, I would limit myself to either good old stereo - or at most - a five channel surround system. There is no use MIXING music for a format that 99.999999% of the world's population CANNOT use. In all reality, unless you listen to music sitting in the third point of an equilateral triangle with two stereo speakers, you are still better off listening to music in MONO. Stereo is still the best medium because it is the medium most people are able to LISTEN to music on in their homes or (marginally) in their cars (because of the driver/passenger off axis position). But if you MUST have more than stereo, many people ( Maybe a full 5% of the population ?) in this country are now able to listen to music back on a five channel surround system. With an eight channel system, you will probably have to provide NOT just the music - but the playback system itself for people to hear it. The idea of a private language is absurd - and Music is not just for the musician. Let's not limit our potential audience to a percentage of the population equalling a fraction of 1% of a fraction of 1% of the population. Thanks, James Hines From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 02:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00618; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:33:17 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system In-reply-to: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Hines's comments about octaphonic sound are reasonable in a general sense, but are to some extent arguable. Some of us ARE willing to accept the fact that most of the world's population will not be able to hear music composed for 8-channel playback, or even quad or 5.1, but will go ahead and create music for that format anyway. There are enough opportunities to play this music in what are sometimes called "specialist venues" to make it worth the effort. You just have to know where the audiences and playback infrastructure are. For instance, I'm beginning work on an 8-channel tape piece that will be played along with several other composers' 8-channel pieces over a two-day period at a music festival next month. If my piece is well received I will probably be able to arrange additional performances at electronic music conferences and festivals, and at concerts on college campuses. Specifically, multichannel sound systems are now a regular feature at the annual International Computer Music Conference (ICMC) and SEAMUS (Society for ElectroAcoustic Music in the United States) Conference. In Canada there is a traveling octaphonic music project called Sound Travels. Granted, these particular venues are not mainstream, but I for one don't really care since I don't do mainstream music and I have no expectation of getting rich and famous from the peculiar music that I do. However, I'm realistic enough to also make 2-channel versions of any pieces that might go into commercial distribution or that I might just want to give away to friends. For instance, a few years ago I made a collaborative piece with my friend bassist Robert Black. The piece was for solo bass and a prerecorded orchestra of basses (all Robert), and the premiere used an 8-track backing tape and a 12-channel speaker system. It was a dynamite performance and an amazing sonic experience, but the piece didn't get played again until Robert got a gig in France doing pieces for solo bass and tape. For that occasion he used a 2-track mixdown. It was fine. At 11:59 PM -0600 7/11/01, James Hines wrote: > Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade, I would be careful >investing too much energy or money into an octaphonic sound system. But >let me explain. > If you only would intend to use such a system for live performance >- then GREAT, by all means, go ahead. > As a recording medium, however, I would limit myself to either good >old stereo - or at most - a five channel surround system. > There is no use MIXING music for a format that 99.999999% of the >world's population CANNOT use. > In all reality, unless you listen to music sitting in the third >point of an equilateral triangle with two stereo speakers, you are still >better off listening to music in MONO. > Stereo is still the best medium because it is the medium most >people are able to LISTEN to music on in their homes or (marginally) in >their cars (because of the driver/passenger off axis position). > But if you MUST have more than stereo, many people ( Maybe a full >5% of the population ?) in this country are now able to listen to music >back on a five channel surround system. > With an eight channel system, you will probably have to provide >NOT just the music - but the playback system itself for people to hear >it. > The idea of a private language is absurd - and Music is not just >for the musician. Let's not limit our potential audience to a percentage >of the population equalling a fraction of 1% of a fraction of 1% of the >population. > >Thanks, >James Hines -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 02:49:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01448; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c10a9e$7165ebe0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <00c101c10a6c$41e29a80$b9944e0c@u73x0> Subject: Re: Simple Question about Looping Live Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:46:53 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "James Pokorny" put forth: > Sorry to perseverate and continue this OT ETOH thread, but I have to add my > words of praise for the underappreciated mint julep. Before ever trying one > I always thought of it as a the kind of delicate beverage that genteel > Southern ladies would politely sip at garden parties. But years ago on a > visit to New Orleans I sampled one and was amazed by how strong it was! And > tasty. A pleasant antidote to excessive heat and humidity. I was sold. And thus you begin to find the nature of the American Southern Woman, my friend. Soft and genteel on the outside, runs the works and kicks your ass if necessary on the inside. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 03:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03073; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01c10aa2$67fb80c0$82936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Requests for info Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:52:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Give us your perspective Brian. You may start an interesting discussion. I'm personally not interested in vinyl but you or someone else might suggest something that may have relevance to me now or in the future. Gareth ----- All i want is new > perspectives on making phat loops from vinyl samples, and share what i know. > > Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 03:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03072; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:09:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:09:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c10aa2$68aafaa0$82936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Bleen here before Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:14:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <5AcU_C.A.Qv.V0UT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok so far I've found out the following:- 'Bleen B is an echo diving into ring modulation ' and 'Bleen, a ring modulator that decays into tremelo' Is it either/both/neither ? I'm interested in emulating the effect using Kyma so I need to understand what's going on here. Thanks, Gareth > > bleen is a 'morphing'-preset on lexicon's vortex, a 1-rack-space delay(& > modulation)-based processor, no longer produced. > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 03:17:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03543; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c10aa2$72a85a20$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:15:31 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "James Hines" put forth: > As a recording medium, however, I would limit myself to either good > old stereo - or at most - a five channel surround system. Bingo, James - remember however that while the technology for DVD Audio is with us, there's no content out there to speak of, and therefore no awareness nor demand. I was at DVD Europe a few months ago (as cartoonist for Medialine News, my sole paying job) and got a chance to talk to a load of people in this biz. There's still a lot of debate on the value of DVD Audio, but it's primarily because the manufacturers/distributors over here want to concentrate on the video content, as if to not distract the consumer and collapse the market. Yeah, typical paranoia - but most folks still do think that DVD means "Digital Video Disk", when the "V" is actually for "Versatile". Audio Source Tracks for DVD: Notes for Producers http://www.dolby.com/tech/l.in.9901.audiosource.html Making the Most of Audio Source Tracks for DVD http://www.dolby.com/digital/l.in.9901.makingthemost.html The above are from Dolby's "Tech" page at http://www.dolby.com/tech/ But wait! There's more! > In all reality, unless you listen to music sitting in the third > point of an equilateral triangle with two stereo speakers, you are still > better off listening to music in MONO. Ugh, I disagree, Homeboy! Even in a car one can tell the difference between mono and stereo. Have you ever investigated the idea of three-channel? Brian Eno put the setup for such a thing in the liner notes for "On Land", which alas are in storage with my vinyl in LA - but essentially it's such that you have a single speaker that's lower-impedance than your pair of other speakers, connected up so that one terminal is on the Left -, and the other on Right +. What one gets out of that speaker is a "subtracted" sound, as he put it. In combination with two speakers however, this produces a more "3D" result. Eno wasn't the first to exploit this, though. The original release of Alice Cooper's "Welcome to My Nightmare" concert film in a select few theaters (before it hit the midnight circuit) used this same setup, with the third speaker in the back. It was quite cheap to implement, and only required a third speaker and amp, and the wires to hook it up. > But if you MUST have more than stereo, many people ( Maybe a full > 5% of the population ?) in this country are now able to listen to music > back on a five channel surround system. Just about everyone who has a DVD player that's more than a PlayStation 2 has it hooked up to a Surround-capable stereo system. That would be nearly 30% according to several folks I talked to at DVD Europe. This is called an embryonic market, but as they all do, this will grow. Warner Bros. (Satan's record company) just released a bunch of stuff on DVD Audio for the first time. I think DVD Audio may well make for a richer listening experience, and provide a number of us on this list with some real money once it kicks in. It's not just positive thinking to say "it's just a matter of time", and not much time at that. In closing it should also be remembered that both AC3 and 5.1 Surround are also playable on PCs for very little money, and that it's mainly the encoding right now that is expensive. Someone's going to figure out how to make it cheaper, because I think a lot of producers and musicians really want to exploit this medium, for home AND theater use (and that includes Soundtracks too). Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 03:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04589; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010712075624.14796.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Bleen there, dlone that To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00dd01c10aa2$68aafaa0$82936fd4@y5w2s5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, You should get a vortex manual which describes each patch, describes the varable parameters, and shows a block diagram of the patch. There are 2 bleens - Bleen A, and Bleen B. Brief descriptions Per the manual (pages 54, 55) 15 Bleen A Bleen A has a stereo resonator feeding a stereo amplitude modulator, which is, in turn sent to both the outputs and the inputs of a cascaded echo. The output of the cascaded echoes is sent to an auto-panner before it too is sent to the outputs. 15 Bleen B Bleen B is configured as two parallel effects. One has stereo envelope detune, and the other has a unique echo configuration with feedback AM. You really need to see the diagrams to emulate the patch. Email me privately if you want me to scan them and email the pages to you. bret --- whiteoakstudios wrote: > > Ok so far I've found out the following:- > > 'Bleen B is an echo diving into ring modulation ' > and > 'Bleen, a ring modulator that decays into tremelo' > > Is it either/both/neither ? > I'm interested in emulating the effect using Kyma so I need to > understand > what's going on here. > > Thanks, > > Gareth > > > > > > bleen is a 'morphing'-preset on lexicon's vortex, a 1-rack-space > delay(& > > modulation)-based processor, no longer produced. > > dt / s-c > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 04:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06275; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c10aaa$c8b66800$ad42f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107112348.TAA09243@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: The melodica solo in the San Jose Museum of Art Bass Looping show Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:15:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com glenn wrote: "AMAZING!!!!! When you played the acoustics of the cafe after that mic went out!!! People were laughing strictly in wonder at how you'd turned that around and how great it sounded with the piece." and Tim asked: "I'd like to hear more about this! What happened Rick?" Actually, I had trouble earlier with my microphone going out but, in this instance, Michael and Steve started a beautiful melodic improvisation and I picked up my melodica and walked out of the room with it into the large, high ceilinged coffee shop which was adjacent (sp?) to the concert room at the San Jose Museum of Art. The reason I left was literally to quickly figure out what scale Michael and Steve were in. As soon as I had it figured out, I noticed that the room had a beautiful long natural reverb in it so I started playing my melodica solo very loudly in the outside room. The sound, amplified by the natural long reverb of the room drifted back in and I slowly strolled back in playing loudly and acoustically (because the basses were amplified). I had a kind of a parisian musette melancholy vibe going on and the juxtaposition of the unamplified melodica and the exquisite two fretless basses was very evocative. It was a really magical moment for me and the highlight, emotionally, of the whole tour. There were times with these brilliant musicians where I felt that I had died and gone to heaven. I'm very greatful to have had the chance to play with awesome talents of Steve Lawson, Michael Manring and Max Valentino and felt very sad that the tour was over today. The good news is that Si Moorhead and the folks at Imprint Audio are busily working on the tapes of the last three shows and Bob Cain is also working on editing his proprietary binaural recordings of all five shows. Everything that I've heard so far sounds fabulous and I can highly recommend your contacting these brilliant and service oriented folks if you folks have any mobile recording needs to be met. Just write me and I"ll connect you. thanks for asking Tim. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 04:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06526; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fb01c10aab$f5510ea0$54af8e8c@pj> Reply-To: "John Dixon/Peggy Piacenza" From: "John Dixon/Peggy Piacenza" To: Subject: new kid... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:23:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C10A71.41CE35E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C10A71.41CE35E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just signed on - and I'm looking to buy an echoplex - any suggestions where online to get the best price? I'm setting up some gear to work in a studio space in Seattle as an open-door improv performance lab and am thinking the echoplex would be a great tool. 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Just signed on - and I'm looking to buy = an echoplex=20 - any suggestions where online to get the best price?  I'm setting = up some=20 gear to work in a studio space in Seattle as an open-door improv = performance lab=20 and am thinking the echoplex would be a great tool.  Any = off-the-cuff=20 suggestions?
 
thanks...
 
john dixon
------=_NextPart_000_00F7_01C10A71.41CE35E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 04:29:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06877; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:28:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:28:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c10aac$a16b48e0$ad42f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107112348.TAA09243@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:28:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lance g. wrote: "i've been listening to the KPIG archive webcast, and i must say i'm totally blown away by you guys! makes me very sorry to have missed the shows...i do have a technical question for you rick: what gear did you have with you for that interview? in particular, there were some really lovely tapped and/or thrummed and reverberated tones in your piece (layed over the groovy syncopated gamelan-like bed), starting around 9:50 or so...did your signal go through anything particularly exotic, or was that just your superlative alligator-clip & martini stick technique? oh, and what did you mix through?" I was just using a line 6 pedal with my bass capoed up as high as it would go, alligator clips randomly placed on the strings and then malleting with these awesome martini skewers that I found that have large translucent blue tiki heads on the ends of them. When I play hammered/bowed/slide mandolin (the only kind of mandolin I play, unfortunatetly) I can use these skewers as hammers with very good multiple bounce capabilites or I can use them as mini 'slides'. They are awesome and I got them at a trendy retro kitsch store in Santa Cruz for $2.50 for a set of 8. I relied a lot on the line 6 modellers' wonderful backwards/forwards/half speed/double speed characteristics to create parts that were an octave higher or lower. Using this technique, I play a normal rhythmic ostinato, half the speed and then play a skeletal double speed rhythm to the slowed down rhythm. By bumping it back to normal speed, I now have a rhythmic line that is twice as vast and an octave higher.............instant abstract drum and bass ;-) Steve Lawson used a line 6 pedal also and his very cool Lexicon guitar effects processor. I thought I had the line 6 pedal wired until I saw him play and get all of the extraordinarily wierd effects out of his. He doesn't even use an expression pedal.....what an inspration. Max, I believe, was also using an aligatored bass through a Line 6 on that piece. I started the piece for about 30 seconds, Steve joined for a minute or so and Max finally entered. It came out really cool........kind of a psychotic gamelan feel, don't you think? yours, Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 04:31:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07113; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010712023529.007c7b80@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:35:29 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system In-Reply-To: <007501c10aa2$72a85a20$0201a8c0@stephen> References: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-cyb-.A.3uB.eAWT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Just wanted to add that Telarc has a pretty extensive catalog of DTS-5.1 titles. -And, last year, Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells was remastered for DTS-5.1 as well. As for eight channels, certainly, not many will have capable systems yet, but the friend I spoke of also creates mixes for stereo, and I believe, both 5.1 and 6 channel systems as well. -And, in a somewhat different and much more immediately accessible form of octophonic playback, there's apparently an album from a band whose name I unfortunatley can't remember at the moment, which consists of four CDs which are all played back ALMOST simultaneously on four separate stereo systems. It's apparently quite the collector's item lately. People have parties based around it. Smiles, The Damsel Deity At 08:15 AM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote: >"James Hines" put forth: > >> As a recording medium, however, I would limit myself to either good >> old stereo - or at most - a five channel surround system. > >Bingo, James - remember however that while the technology for DVD Audio is >with us, there's no content out there to speak of, and therefore no >awareness nor demand. I was at DVD Europe a few months ago (as cartoonist >for Medialine News, my sole paying job) and got a chance to talk to a load >of people in this biz. There's still a lot of debate on the value of DVD >Audio, but it's primarily because the manufacturers/distributors over here >want to concentrate on the video content, as if to not distract the consumer >and collapse the market. Yeah, typical paranoia - but most folks still do >think that DVD means "Digital Video Disk", when the "V" is actually for >"Versatile". > >Audio Source Tracks for DVD: Notes for Producers >http://www.dolby.com/tech/l.in.9901.audiosource.html > >Making the Most of Audio Source Tracks for DVD >http://www.dolby.com/digital/l.in.9901.makingthemost.html > >The above are from Dolby's "Tech" page at http://www.dolby.com/tech/ > >But wait! There's more! > >> In all reality, unless you listen to music sitting in the third >> point of an equilateral triangle with two stereo speakers, you are still >> better off listening to music in MONO. > >Ugh, I disagree, Homeboy! Even in a car one can tell the difference between >mono and stereo. Have you ever investigated the idea of three-channel? >Brian Eno put the setup for such a thing in the liner notes for "On Land", >which alas are in storage with my vinyl in LA - but essentially it's such >that you have a single speaker that's lower-impedance than your pair of >other speakers, connected up so that one terminal is on the Left -, and the >other on Right +. What one gets out of that speaker is a "subtracted" >sound, as he put it. In combination with two speakers however, this >produces a more "3D" result. Eno wasn't the first to exploit this, though. >The original release of Alice Cooper's "Welcome to My Nightmare" concert >film in a select few theaters (before it hit the midnight circuit) used this >same setup, with the third speaker in the back. It was quite cheap to >implement, and only required a third speaker and amp, and the wires to hook >it up. > >> But if you MUST have more than stereo, many people ( Maybe a full >> 5% of the population ?) in this country are now able to listen to music >> back on a five channel surround system. > >Just about everyone who has a DVD player that's more than a PlayStation 2 >has it hooked up to a Surround-capable stereo system. That would be nearly >30% according to several folks I talked to at DVD Europe. This is called an >embryonic market, but as they all do, this will grow. Warner Bros. (Satan's >record company) just released a bunch of stuff on DVD Audio for the first >time. I think DVD Audio may well make for a richer listening experience, >and provide a number of us on this list with some real money once it kicks >in. It's not just positive thinking to say "it's just a matter of time", >and not much time at that. > >In closing it should also be remembered that both AC3 and 5.1 Surround are >also playable on PCs for very little money, and that it's mainly the >encoding right now that is expensive. Someone's going to figure out how to >make it cheaper, because I think a lot of producers and musicians really >want to exploit this medium, for home AND theater use (and that includes >Soundtracks too). > >Stephen Goodman >http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! >http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 04:32:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07354; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:31:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:31:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: John Dixon/Peggy Piacenza , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new kid... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:29:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10AAC.C70D65E2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10AAC.C70D65E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John, These details came from our sales guy over there in the USA:- East Coast...Alto Music in Middletown, NY # 845-692-6922 Midwest...Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, In # 800-222-4700 West Coast...LA Music Service (just outside of Los Angeles, CA) # 310-787-0123 It's a start, Andy -----Original Message----- From: John Dixon/Peggy Piacenza [mailto:pj@gateway.net] Sent: 12 July 2001 09:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new kid... Just signed on - and I'm looking to buy an echoplex - any suggestions where online to get the best price? I'm setting up some gear to work in a studio space in Seattle as an open-door improv performance lab and am thinking the echoplex would be a great tool. Any off-the-cuff suggestions? thanks... john dixon ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10AAC.C70D65E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
John,
These details came from our sales guy over there in the USA:-

East Coast...Alto Music in Middletown, NY # 845-692-6922

Midwest...Sweetwater Sound in Ft Wayne, In # 800-222-4700

West Coast...LA Music Service (just outside of Los Angeles, CA) # 310-787-0123

It's a start,

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: John Dixon/Peggy Piacenza [mailto:pj@gateway.net]
Sent: 12 July 2001 09:23
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: new kid...

Just signed on - and I'm looking to buy an echoplex - any suggestions where online to get the best price?  I'm setting up some gear to work in a studio space in Seattle as an open-door improv performance lab and am thinking the echoplex would be a great tool.  Any off-the-cuff suggestions?
 
thanks...
 
john dixon
------_=_NextPart_001_01C10AAC.C70D65E2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:11:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17563; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <110.239d7bc.287efb27@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:07:51 EDT Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to >sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a >keyboard. edp, without pitch-mapping. repeater, with pitch-mapping. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:12:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17810; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.188ba6cb.287efb8e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:34 EDT Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com r, pronounced 'queer-y'; actual spelling is 'query'. fyi. dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:30:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18457; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:27:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00d701c10aac$a16b48e0$ad42f93f@looppool> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very interesting. I want to hear it too! But where? Where I can get to this KPIG archive broadcast??? Kevin > lance g. wrote: > > "i've been listening to the KPIG archive webcast, and i must say > i'm totally > blown away by you guys! makes me very sorry to have missed the > shows...i do > have a technical question for you rick: what gear did you have > with you for > that interview? in particular, there were some really lovely tapped and/or > thrummed and reverberated tones in your piece (layed over the groovy > syncopated > gamelan-like bed), starting around 9:50 or so...did your signal go through > anything particularly exotic, or was that just your superlative > alligator-clip > & martini stick technique? oh, and what did you mix through?" > > > I was just using a line 6 pedal with my bass capoed up as high as it would > go, alligator clips randomly placed on the strings and then > malleting with > these awesome martini skewers that I found that have large > translucent blue > tiki heads on the ends of them. > When I play hammered/bowed/slide mandolin (the only kind of > mandolin I play, > unfortunatetly) I can use these skewers as > hammers with very good multiple bounce capabilites or I can use > them as mini > 'slides'. They are awesome and I got them at a trendy > retro kitsch store in Santa Cruz for $2.50 for a set of 8. > > I relied a lot on the line 6 modellers' wonderful backwards/forwards/half > speed/double speed characteristics to create parts that > were an octave higher or lower. Using this technique, I play a normal > rhythmic ostinato, half the speed and then play a skeletal > double speed rhythm to the slowed down rhythm. By bumping it > back to normal > speed, I now have a rhythmic line that is > twice as vast and an octave higher.............instant abstract drum and > bass ;-) > > Steve Lawson used a line 6 pedal also and his very cool Lexicon guitar > effects processor. I thought I had the line 6 pedal wired until I saw him > play and get all of the extraordinarily wierd effects out of his. He > doesn't even use an expression pedal.....what an inspration. Max, I > believe, was also using an aligatored bass through a Line 6 on that piece. > I started the piece for about 30 seconds, Steve joined for a minute or so > and Max finally entered. It came out really cool........kind of > a psychotic > gamelan feel, don't you think? > > yours, Rick (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19178; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:51:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:51:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.187] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 13:50:58.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADCE3D40:01C10AD9] Resent-Message-ID: <62_R6C.A.WrE.htaT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com


Hi Rick,  I have a processing tool that takes the sounds of my synth,  Roland D-50, and alters them then I sample or loop the sounds on an echoplex or jamman.  Not sure if that's exactly what you were trying to do.  The Korg sampler might do that.  Om and Out   Papa Dave
 

>Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard

>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:22:04 -0700
>
>Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to
>sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a
>keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be able
>to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created and
>then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard,
>
>thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool)
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:31:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21424; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: openjam@aol.com Subject: RE: midwest loop Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:25:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10ADE.903849B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10ADE.903849B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep, so far about 10 of us in the Heartland are planning a loop event. Chicago seems to be the best central location as well as a great town to hang in for a weekend. After the first event we'll arrange others in other towns, hopefully most of the same participants will travel to Ohio, Michigan, etc. We're trying to start a loop tour circuit. But first Chicago, sometime in September. openjam.todd -----Original Message----- From: Eric Leonardson [SMTP:eleon@ripco.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:04 PM To: Todd Quincy; Loopers (E-mail) Subject: Re: midwest loop Dear Todd, I'm in Chicago but not sure what you're proposing by the term, "secure location." Sounds like you're talking about a loop fest, right? Best regards, Eric --------------------- Upcoming Performances, Broadcasts, Etc.: Friday, July 13, 5:00--8:00 pm, opening trio performance with Stephen Boyer (invented instruments) and Laurie Lee Moses (saxophone) at Fassbender van Straaten Gallery, for INTERFACE: EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES. Address: 835 W. Washington. (312) 666-4302. http://www.fassbendergallery.com/upcoming.html Friday, July 20, 10:00 pm, duo performance with Carol Genetti (voice) and the duo of Jonathan Chen (violin, electronics) and Jen Walshe (voice), at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Friday, July 27, 9:00 pm, Dead CEO presents: Eric Leonardson, solo; Carol Genetti (voice) and Fred Lonberg-Holm (cello), duo; Other artists to be confirmed, at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Tuesday, July 31, 8:00 pm, trio performance with Hal Rammel (invented instruments), Eric Leonardson (invented instruments), Michael Zerang (percussion) at the Candlestick Maker, 4432 N. Kedzie, (773) 463-0158). New on Compact Disc: Winter Construction (dceo003) A compilation of Chicago artists with accompanying zine... available on-line at Dead CEO: http://www.deadceo.com/ Visit the High Zero 2000 documentation web site, "images, sound and video samples from...the High Zero festival of experimental improvised music, September 21 - 24 in Baltimore...34 amazing improvisers from Europe, North America and our own Baltimore.": http://www.highzero.org/festival_documentation/highzero2000documentati on/index.htm Eric Leonardson web pages: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10ADE.903849B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: midwest loop

Yep, so far about 10 of us in the = Heartland are planning a loop event. Chicago seems to be the best = central location as well as a great town to hang in for a weekend. = After the first event we'll arrange others in other towns, hopefully = most of the same participants will travel to Ohio, Michigan, etc. We're = trying to start a loop tour circuit.

But first Chicago, sometime in = September.

openjam.todd

 

 

    -----Original = Message-----
    From:   Eric Leonardson = [SMTP:eleon@ripco.com]
    Sent:   Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:04 PM
    To:     Todd Quincy; Loopers (E-mail)
    Subject:       = Re: midwest  loop

    Dear Todd,

    I'm in Chicago but not sure what = you're proposing by the term,
    "secure location." = Sounds like you're talking about a loop fest,
    right?

    Best regards,
    Eric

    ---------------------
    Upcoming Performances, = Broadcasts, Etc.:

    Friday, July 13, 5:00--8:00 pm, = opening trio performance with Stephen
    Boyer (invented instruments) = and Laurie Lee Moses (saxophone) at
    Fassbender van Straaten = Gallery, for INTERFACE: EXPLORING
    POSSIBILITIES. Address: 835 W. = Washington. (312) 666-4302.
    http://www.fassbendergallery.com/upcoming.html

    Friday, July 20, 10:00 pm, duo = performance with Carol Genetti (voice)
    and the duo of Jonathan Chen = (violin, electronics) and Jen Walshe
    (voice), at the Nervous Center, = 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010

    Friday, July 27, 9:00 pm, Dead = CEO presents: Eric Leonardson, solo;
    Carol Genetti (voice) and Fred = Lonberg-Holm (cello), duo; Other
    artists to be confirmed, at the = Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave.
    (773) 728-5010

    Tuesday, July 31, 8:00 pm, trio = performance with Hal Rammel (invented
    instruments), Eric Leonardson = (invented instruments), Michael Zerang
    (percussion) at the Candlestick = Maker, 4432 N. Kedzie, (773)
    463-0158).

    New on Compact Disc: Winter = Construction (dceo003)
    A compilation of Chicago = artists with accompanying zine... available
    on-line at Dead CEO: http://www.deadceo.com/

    Visit the High Zero 2000 = documentation web site, "images, sound and
    video samples from...the High = Zero festival of experimental
    improvised music, September 21 = - 24 in Baltimore...34 amazing
    improvisers from Europe, North = America and our own Baltimore.":
    http://www.highzero.org/festival_documentation/highzer= o2000documentati
    on/index.htm

    Eric Leonardson web pages: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10ADE.903849B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21699; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:33:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:33:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4DB29D.30971758@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:22:21 -0700 Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #365 References: <200107120831.EAA07305@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------32CA9B47CCB8F31A36B77019" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------32CA9B47CCB8F31A36B77019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rick- The Casio CS-1 will also allow this, and can be easily had for around $15. I think it gives you 2 or 2.5 seconds of sample time. Sorry I missed the Big Sur gig; I was up too late the night before and couldn't convince anyone to drive. -Hans > The older Roland S-10 sampler could do this. The sample time was a > bit > small, but I think it could be quite workable. Rick, glad to see ya > back! > Congratulations on the tour! > > Smiles, > > G-Girl > > At 02:22 PM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you > to > >sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from > a > >keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to > be able > >to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being > created and > >then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a > keyboard, > > > >thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > --------------32CA9B47CCB8F31A36B77019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Rick-

The Casio CS-1 will also allow this, and can be easily had for around $15.  I think it gives you 2 or 2.5 seconds of sample time.  Sorry I missed the Big Sur gig; I was up too late the night before and couldn't convince anyone to drive.

-Hans

  
  The older Roland S-10 sampler could do this.  The sample time was a bit
small, but I think it could be quite workable.  Rick, glad to see ya back!
Congratulations on the tour!  

Smiles,

G-Girl

At 02:22 PM 7/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to
>sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a
>keyboard.    I am really interested in found sound and would love to be able
>to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created and
>then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard,
>
>thanks,  Rick Walker (loop.pool)
--------------32CA9B47CCB8F31A36B77019-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21990; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4DC404.48F2A692@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:36:36 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system References: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3.0.5.32.20010712023529.007c7b80@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess wrote: > -And, in a somewhat different and much more immediately accessible form > of octophonic playback, there's apparently an album from a band whose name > I unfortunatley can't remember at the moment, which consists of four CDs > which are all played back ALMOST simultaneously on four separate stereo > systems. It's apparently quite the collector's item lately. People have > parties based around it. > This would be Zariika (spelling?) by the wonderful Flaming Lips. Pining for the days when everyone would gather around the phonograph listening to the newest Beatles release, they created & released this set. All together now... ;) My friend has a copy, but we have yet to give it a go... later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22308; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c10ae0$54471060$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZeACB.A._bF.KcbT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Rick, interesting that you should mention this. I've been think of building something like this for my Kyma system. Sort of an "Instantique Musique Concrete", eh? Here's the interface I've been thinking about so far - 1) The beast is controlled via a standard MIDI keyboard. (Velocity sensing is not necessary; it can be a cheapy.) The lowest key functions as a RECORD/OVERDUB enable. The next to the lowest key functions as a CLEAR. The other keys control particular loops. 2) You record to a particular key (or loop), say middle C, by holding down the RECORD/OVERDUB key and pressing the key, middle C in this example. You record as long as the key is held. Each key "holds" its own loop. 3) After releasing the RECORD/OVERDUB key, whenenver you press middle C, the loop plays back. 4) If a key already "contains" a loop, when you hold RECORD/OVERDUB and press the key again, you overdub onto the loop. The loop length remains unchanged. 5) The next lowest key functions as a CLEAR. You hold it down and press another key to erase the loop recorded to that key. 6) It's polyphonic so you can play back multiple loops. Sound like fun? Any comments are welcome. For example, when triggering loop play back, should the recording playback (and loop) only while a key is held down? Or should a press-and-release trigger playback of the entire loop? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard > Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to > sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a > keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be able > to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created and > then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard, > > thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:27:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24685; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:23:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:23:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:21:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 15:21:12.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A36C30:01C10AE6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that sounds like it could be immensely useful! How would the loop length be determined for each key? Would it be the duration that you're holding it down? Also, would there be a setting so that overdubbing on a key replaces the original track? Perhaps an expression pedal or a slider? Matt >From: "Dennis Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and >instantaneously play back from a keyboard >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:38:33 -0500 > >Hey, Rick, interesting that you should mention this. I've been think of >building something like this for my Kyma system. Sort of an "Instantique >Musique Concrete", eh? > >Here's the interface I've been thinking about so far - > >1) The beast is controlled via a standard MIDI keyboard. (Velocity sensing >is not necessary; it can be a cheapy.) The lowest key functions as a >RECORD/OVERDUB enable. The next to the lowest key functions as a CLEAR. >The other keys control particular loops. > >2) You record to a particular key (or loop), say middle C, by holding down >the RECORD/OVERDUB key and pressing the key, middle C in this example. You >record as long as the key is held. Each key "holds" its own loop. > >3) After releasing the RECORD/OVERDUB key, whenenver you press middle C, >the >loop plays back. > >4) If a key already "contains" a loop, when you hold RECORD/OVERDUB and >press the key again, you overdub onto the loop. The loop length remains >unchanged. > >5) The next lowest key functions as a CLEAR. You hold it down and press >another key to erase the loop recorded to that key. > >6) It's polyphonic so you can play back multiple loops. > >Sound like fun? Any comments are welcome. For example, when triggering >loop play back, should the recording playback (and loop) only while a key >is >held down? Or should a press-and-release trigger playback of the entire >loop? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:22 PM >Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and >instantaneously play back from a keyboard > > > > Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to > > sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a > > keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be >able > > to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created >and > > then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a >keyboard, > > > > thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25463; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:41:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:41:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c10ae8$9122c530$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Wow, that sounds like it could be immensely useful! How would the loop > length be determined for each key? Would it be the duration that you're > holding it down? Yes, exactly. > Also, would there be a setting so that overdubbing on a key replaces the > original track? Perhaps an expression pedal or a slider? That's a good idea! I can do that so long as it's a MIDI CC pedal. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:45:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25699; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:47:35 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c10ae9$f8d85770$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Wow, that sounds like it could be immensely useful! How would the loop >>length be determined for each key? Would it be the duration that you're >>holding it down? There are many samplers that support this ... it's called keymapping ... although, the only models I know that do this are the higher end samplers by EMU, Yamaha, and Akai, plus applications like Gigasampler. Some allow you to pick a key range for the transpose to occur. I even think the Ensoniq ASR-X supports this on it's small keypad. The samplers deal with the velocity information of the sample once it's mapped. The Ensoniq ASR-X and Yamaha SU700 allow real-time sampling with instant playback. I'm not sure about the ASR-X, but the SU700 does not allow real-time sampling when the sequencer is running though, so it takes it out of contention as a true looping device. If you were looking for one-shot hits, then it would work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26169; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c10aea$82588970$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000001c10ae9$f8d85770$0382c83f@kinesys12> Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:51:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The Ensoniq ASR-X and Yamaha SU700 allow real-time sampling with instant > playback. I don't use keyboards very much so I'm kind of ignorant on how you operate the sampling keyboards. After you make an initial sample, how do you overdub more sound to the sample? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27661; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c10aeb$54272b50$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20010712075624.14796.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bleen there, dlone that Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:57:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Voila, the votex manual (hey, check out that link! ;-) http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/vortex/vortexman.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Bleen there, dlone that > Gareth, > You should get a vortex manual which describes each patch, describes > the varable parameters, and shows a block diagram of the patch. > > There are 2 bleens - Bleen A, and Bleen B. > > Brief descriptions Per the manual (pages 54, 55) > 15 Bleen A > Bleen A has a stereo resonator feeding a stereo amplitude modulator, > which is, in turn sent to both the outputs and the inputs of a cascaded > echo. The output of the cascaded echoes is sent to an auto-panner > before it too is sent to the outputs. > 15 Bleen B > Bleen B is configured as two parallel effects. One has stereo envelope > detune, and the other has a unique echo configuration with feedback AM. > > You really need to see the diagrams to emulate the patch. Email me > privately if you want me to scan them and email the pages to you. > bret > --- whiteoakstudios wrote: > > > > Ok so far I've found out the following:- > > > > 'Bleen B is an echo diving into ring modulation ' > > and > > 'Bleen, a ring modulator that decays into tremelo' > > > > Is it either/both/neither ? > > I'm interested in emulating the effect using Kyma so I need to > > understand > > what's going on here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gareth > > > > > > > > > > bleen is a 'morphing'-preset on lexicon's vortex, a 1-rack-space > > delay(& > > > modulation)-based processor, no longer produced. > > > dt / s-c > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:06:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28072; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c10aeb$e6003490$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <37.17ac0ce0.287d24f3@aol.com> Subject: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forsooth! I've never used a sustainiac or a stealth plus, but I thought I recalled reading a ways back that the magnetically induced sustain could also be used to generate controllable feedback, and it was in that context that I queried. Verily. Anywho, this is utterly fascinating to me. I wasn't aware that guitar mounted microphones (as opposed to pickups) were being used for these purposes, although it makes sense. I did a number of searches on the web and waded through a slew of pages describing the importance of eliminating feedback in microphones, but no luck turning up any evidence of the equipment you describe. Can anyone point to any links that may have more info on this? As far as listening to artists who use this stuff, I'd love to! Offhand, I'm not aware of any who I know use feedback microphones on their guitar (apart from yourself, obviously), and I suspect the ones who do, may neglect to mention this in the album credits. Can anyone recommend any? Thanks! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:41 PM Subject: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) > mlameyer@rcn.com writes: > >How would you characterize the > >primary differences (in terms of application and performance > >dynamics, etc) between this approach to feedback generation and > >something like the sustainiac? > i wouldn't. > (smirks) > no, it's nothing like a 'sustainer' --- that doesn't really interest me. > i use microphones for *feedback*, directly thru the 'guitar' rig. > #1 mic is a saltshaker: a peculiarly focussed set of 'tones'. > #2 (new one, for me, on the tesla) sounds like an old tele-pickup, squealing. > > >Or links with more info? > rather try it, or listen to music that uses this kinda stuff. > best, > dt / s-c > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:07:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28019; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:57:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Bleen here before To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <021501c10aeb$5032bfa0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <00dd01c10aa2$68aafaa0$82936fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a vortex and a kyma. i would be interested in emulating this effect as well, but i'm new to the kyma. if you hook me up with your sound, i'll compare it to the original. off the top of my head, i'm thinking bleenb is a pitch shifter detune into a tapped delay with the delay feedback going through an amplitude modulator. i can also dig up the vortex manual if you need... > > Ok so far I've found out the following:- > > 'Bleen B is an echo diving into ring modulation ' > and > 'Bleen, a ring modulator that decays into tremelo' > > Is it either/both/neither ? > I'm interested in emulating the effect using Kyma so I need to understand > what's going on here. > > Thanks, > > Gareth > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:08:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28410; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:07:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:07:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:11:17 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Line 6 FM4 Filter Modeler In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c10aed$4803a590$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5jKB9D.A.o7G.DscT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody get a change to check the FM4 out for a while in person? (especially with bass) In a thread a while back some people were unimpressed, but this was based on the Line 6 website's sound files. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:13:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28854; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.245.109.15] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:11:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 16:11:21.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A6CDD60:01C10AED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin... go to www.talkbass.com and there is "Tour Journal" that we all ran while on tour posted there, and a link to the KPIG archive (with, I just found out, a web video stream too!) Max Valentino >From: "Kevin Mulvihill" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:25:50 -0700 > >Very interesting. I want to hear it too! But where? Where I can get to this >KPIG archive broadcast??? > >Kevin > > > lance g. wrote: > > > > "i've been listening to the KPIG archive webcast, and i must say > > i'm totally > > blown away by you guys! makes me very sorry to have missed the > > shows...i do > > have a technical question for you rick: what gear did you have > > with you for > > that interview? in particular, there were some really lovely tapped >and/or > > thrummed and reverberated tones in your piece (layed over the groovy > > syncopated > > gamelan-like bed), starting around 9:50 or so...did your signal go >through > > anything particularly exotic, or was that just your superlative > > alligator-clip > > & martini stick technique? oh, and what did you mix through?" > > > > > > I was just using a line 6 pedal with my bass capoed up as high as it >would > > go, alligator clips randomly placed on the strings and then > > malleting with > > these awesome martini skewers that I found that have large > > translucent blue > > tiki heads on the ends of them. > > When I play hammered/bowed/slide mandolin (the only kind of > > mandolin I play, > > unfortunatetly) I can use these skewers as > > hammers with very good multiple bounce capabilites or I can use > > them as mini > > 'slides'. They are awesome and I got them at a trendy > > retro kitsch store in Santa Cruz for $2.50 for a set of 8. > > > > I relied a lot on the line 6 modellers' wonderful >backwards/forwards/half > > speed/double speed characteristics to create parts that > > were an octave higher or lower. Using this technique, I play a normal > > rhythmic ostinato, half the speed and then play a skeletal > > double speed rhythm to the slowed down rhythm. By bumping it > > back to normal > > speed, I now have a rhythmic line that is > > twice as vast and an octave higher.............instant abstract drum and > > bass ;-) > > > > Steve Lawson used a line 6 pedal also and his very cool Lexicon guitar > > effects processor. I thought I had the line 6 pedal wired until I saw >him > > play and get all of the extraordinarily wierd effects out of his. He > > doesn't even use an expression pedal.....what an inspration. Max, I > > believe, was also using an aligatored bass through a Line 6 on that >piece. > > I started the piece for about 30 seconds, Steve joined for a minute or >so > > and Max finally entered. It came out really cool........kind of > > a psychotic > > gamelan feel, don't you think? > > > > yours, Rick (loop.pool) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:23:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29536; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:21:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:21:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:25:43 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard In-reply-to: <00c501c10aea$82588970$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000101c10aef$4cf39d60$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These type of units are really just sample playback units, so once you place the first sample, you wouldn't be able to "overdub". Although you could arm multiple samples and fade from one to the other on the SU700 since each sample has a separate volume/effects control. But, you can have up to 8 "looped" samples (4 tracks x 2 loop pads) playing back in a sequence and control some aspects of each independently. The SU700 does not support keymapping though, but does support real-time time stretch and a tool simply called "groove" which allows you to adjust the timing, velocity, and gatetime of a sample. It can either change the rhythmic feel of a sample drastically, or give percussive elements to a less beat oriented sample. The "Roll" button can be nice if your doing Drum 'N Bass or Jungle style music since it will slice of a defined quantized piece (by note duration up to half note) of the sample and loop it back. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard > The Ensoniq ASR-X and Yamaha SU700 allow real-time sampling with instant > playback. I don't use keyboards very much so I'm kind of ignorant on how you operate the sampling keyboards. After you make an initial sample, how do you overdub more sound to the sample? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:37:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30080; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010712093845.0091f100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:38:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-Reply-To: <006c01c10aeb$e6003490$6b44230a@melon> References: <37.17ac0ce0.287d24f3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not quite the same as a feedback mic, but Jim Thomas of the Mermen has his strat(s) wired so that the midde pickup has its own dedicated output. The output goes to a volume pedal and overdrive so that he can conjure up feedback at will, independently of the other two pickups. At 12:01 PM 7/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > >As far as listening to artists who use this stuff, I'd love to! >Offhand, I'm not aware of any who I know use feedback >microphones on their guitar (apart from yourself, obviously), >and I suspect the ones who do, may neglect to mention this in >the album credits. Can anyone recommend any? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30986; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c10af3$4fa18280$7987abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: Subject: trans trem ? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:52:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do I recognize a Trans Trem from an S Trem by looking at it ? thks lu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 13:01:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c10af4$d8dacb00$11b86fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <20010712075624.14796.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bleen there, done that - got the T shirt Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:04:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good man Bret, Thanks - sounds cool. Gareth > You should get a vortex manual which describes each patch, describes > the varable parameters, and shows a block diagram of the patch. > > There are 2 bleens - Bleen A, and Bleen B. > > Brief descriptions Per the manual (pages 54, 55) > 15 Bleen A > Bleen A has a stereo resonator feeding a stereo amplitude modulator, > which is, in turn sent to both the outputs and the inputs of a cascaded > echo. The output of the cascaded echoes is sent to an auto-panner > before it too is sent to the outputs. > 15 Bleen B > Bleen B is configured as two parallel effects. One has stereo envelope > detune, and the other has a unique echo configuration with feedback AM. > > You really need to see the diagrams to emulate the patch. Email me > privately if you want me to scan them and email the pages to you. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 14:05:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02955; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trans trem ? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:59:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 17:59:49.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[715AFFB0:01C10AFC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most immediate difference you would notice is that the tremelo arm of the Transtrem is attached to a small notched "mini-arm" that swings against a small post when the trem arm is rotated. The post slide into one of the notches which allows you to control the transposition. You can see pictures and get a lot more in depth info about the Transtrem and Steinbergers (even, in response to last weeks thread, more opinions about Ed Roman's guitars and business practices) in general here: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/steinbergerworld >From: "luca" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: trans trem ? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:52:47 +0200 > >how do I recognize a Trans Trem from an S Trem by looking at it ? >thks >lu > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 14:15:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03792; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:01:40 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022f01c10afc$b3e6d390$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200107112348.TAA09243@hemlock.violacea.com> <00d701c10aac$a16b48e0$ad42f93f@looppool> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It came out really cool........kind of a psychotic >gamelan feel, don't you think? yes i do! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 14:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05652; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4E00FE.F3016634@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:56:46 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trans trem ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although I have never played a transtrem, and know nothing about them (other than i really, really NEED one!) I did bookmark this site: TransTrem Repair: http://users.erols.com/jseltz/steinberger/ttrepair.htm Informative site with alot of closeup pictures. After i get one, and it breaks, I know right where to go... later, -jas Albuquerque http://www.zebox.com/artists/dimbulb.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07554; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: trans trem ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.90f9da9.287f5116_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cd.90f9da9.287f5116_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! Thanks for the cool Trans Trem sight Jason. How the heck did you stumble onto that? Thanls again! -Todd --part1_cd.90f9da9.287f5116_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow!  Thanks for the cool Trans Trem sight Jason.  How the heck did you
stumble onto that?  Thanls again!  -Todd --part1_cd.90f9da9.287f5116_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:18:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07768; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:17:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:17:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: trans trem string bends Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:17:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B4E00FE.F3016634@cabq.gov> Resent-Message-ID: <7_xTg.A.S4B.WefT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bet this thing is cool--I have never played one either, but it always sounded like a great way to go--I wonder, tho, when you bend a note with your fingers on a guitar with a transtrem, do all the other strings stay in tune? On a floating bridge of course, the other notes go flat--I have used the trem setter by Hipshot, which solves the flat note problem--can't really do double stop bends otherwise. Just curious about the Transtrem. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08288; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <70.cee1136.287f5301@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:22:41 EDT Subject: Re: trans trem string bends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_70.cee1136.287f5301_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_70.cee1136.287f5301_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other strings on the Trans Trem will stay in tune as long as you have the bar locked into its 'middle' position. Even with the bar unlocked, it takes quite a bend to change the pitch of surrounding strings. -Todd --part1_70.cee1136.287f5301_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other strings on the Trans Trem will stay in tune as long as you have the
bar locked into its 'middle' position.  Even with the bar unlocked, it takes
quite a bend to change the pitch of surrounding strings.  -Todd --part1_70.cee1136.287f5301_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:25:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08305; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4DF8AC.8E45EBE3@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:21:16 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: bass processing References: <006c01c10a67$43d004e0$a9456f40@oemcomputer> <00d001c10a83$6084e440$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <13zLt.A.ZBC.MlfT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peter Shindler wrote: > I have a 5-string bass and I want to run it through an Electro-Harmonix > Microsynth (which is NOT the bass model). Will this damage the microsynth? Speaking from my experience, no. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:27:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08679; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712122033.0204d328@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: The truth is out there. Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:24:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: trans trem string bends In-Reply-To: References: <3B4E00FE.F3016634@cabq.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe the transtrem suffers from that also when the arm is not locked into a position. But you don't need an addon to get around it - just lock the arm and it's a fixed bridge. At 12:17 PM 7/12/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I wonder, tho, when you bend a note with >your fingers on a guitar with a transtrem, do all the other strings stay in >tune? On a floating bridge of course, the other notes go flat--I have used >the trem setter by Hipshot, which solves the flat note problem--can't really From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:48:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09598; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <72.cec78c2.287f5889@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:46:17 EDT Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2LcPgC.A.OVC.k6fT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >After you make an initial sample, how do you >overdub more sound to the sample? you use yer edp or repeater. *-) dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:50:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09832; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:49:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:49:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:48:29 EDT Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: the feedback mics, etc, mlameyer@rcn.com writes: >Can anyone point to any links that may have more info on this? not i. sorry! best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10229; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:53:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:53:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.185ef1bf.287f5a04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <536J7D.A.BfC.KAgT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sean_@mindspring.com writes: >Not quite the same as a feedback mic, but Jim Thomas of the Mermen has >his >strat(s) wired so that the midde pickup has its own dedicated output. >The >output goes to a volume pedal and overdrive so that he can conjure up >feedback at will, independently of the other two pickups. nice! my (2) feedback mics are just that: dedicated to feedback, & also for sampling whatever is happening 'in the room' through my looping rig/pedals/amps. previously, i used these mics as add'l, external selectable inputs to the 'rig'; now, they're built into my gtr, as well as an 'external input'; all these all are very quickly (ie, rhythmically) switchable. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10568; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:56:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:56:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4BC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: bass processing Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:55:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10B0C.93EED320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B0C.93EED320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Won't hurt the Microsynth, just don't expect it to track all that well. The bass model barely tracks the b string. Still sounds ultra cool, though... ** further off topic . . . i'm wondering about the eh ms. how good is the fuzz? dave, you say the tracking isn't so good on the b string, does that mean it does on the e? most seem to have a problem on anything lower than a c on the a string. i've been considering having a low octave/fuzz pedal made by someone. anyone out there interested? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B0C.93EED320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: bass processing

Won't hurt the Microsynth, just don't expect it to = track all that well. The
bass model barely tracks the b string. Still sounds = ultra cool, though...

** further off topic . . .

i'm wondering about the eh ms. how good is the fuzz? = dave, you say the tracking isn't so good on the b string, does that = mean it does on the e? most seem to have a problem on anything lower = than a c on the a string.

i've been considering having a low octave/fuzz pedal = made by someone. anyone out there interested?

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10B0C.93EED320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11995; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:59:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:58:09 EDT Subject: OT:Re: trans trem string bends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com would be nice if we all could respect the off-topic nature of this thread w/ *OT* in the email header, thereby allowing those *dis*interested in this goo to quickly skip/delete it. okay? healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net writes: >when you bend a note with >your fingers on a guitar with a transtrem, do all the other strings stay >in >tune? on a standard 'trem', that flatting-distance is dependent upon which string yer bending, & its gauge. 'tis *much* better on a transtrem, more predictable, as string movement:tension is mostly equalised. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13243; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a701c10ae0$54471060$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:24:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis and Rick- The echoplex already does all of these things! Use the sampler triggering functions! the interface is even simpler to use than you describe. All of the multiple loops are already mapped to keyboard keys. You can set the range with the LoopTrig parameter. All of the usual functions are also mapped to keyboard keys so you can fully control the echoplex that way as well. So for example, you can set all the echoplex button functions to your left hand on the keyboard, and trigger all the loops with your right. The SamplerStyle functions let you set how the loops are triggered by the midi note on message. With "run", It just starts that loop and it keeps going. with "one" it triggers the loop at the beginning and it plays once. (it will retrigger if you hit the note again.) With "att" (attack) it will play from the beginning as long as you hold the note down, and stop when you release the key. (we are adding another one called "Sta" for start. this will trigger the loop from the beginning and let it keep looping, which we forgot to have before.) The Velocity parameter lets you turn velocity sensitivity on or off, so how hard you press the key on the keyboard controls the volume. If you have AutoRecord turned on, triggering a loop that is empty will start recording in it. So you press the key for that loop, it begins recording. press it again, and it begins looping it. (or press another one to end the record and jump to that, etc.) So you can quickly record a loop, then play it back by pressing it's key. You can play the other loops be pressing their keys, and basically use the EDP like a sampler. (except you can record all the stuff on the fly easily.) I'm not set up to try it right now, but I think it samplemode=att and you have autorecord on, you can press the key for an empty loop, and it will record as long as you have the key pressed down. When you release, the recording stops. Then you can play that loop each time you press the key again, and it plays as long as you hold it. all the sample triggering and other functions are available. Of course, all the usual echoplex functions are live, so you can jump to any loop and turn overdub in to add something to it. Or multiply it, insert to it, replace something in it, undo, feedback control, reset it, reverse, etc etc. hope this helps, kim At 7:38 AM -0700 7/12/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >Hey, Rick, interesting that you should mention this. I've been think of >building something like this for my Kyma system. Sort of an "Instantique >Musique Concrete", eh? > >Here's the interface I've been thinking about so far - > >1) The beast is controlled via a standard MIDI keyboard. (Velocity sensing >is not necessary; it can be a cheapy.) The lowest key functions as a >RECORD/OVERDUB enable. The next to the lowest key functions as a CLEAR. >The other keys control particular loops. > >2) You record to a particular key (or loop), say middle C, by holding down >the RECORD/OVERDUB key and pressing the key, middle C in this example. You >record as long as the key is held. Each key "holds" its own loop. > >3) After releasing the RECORD/OVERDUB key, whenenver you press middle C, the >loop plays back. > >4) If a key already "contains" a loop, when you hold RECORD/OVERDUB and >press the key again, you overdub onto the loop. The loop length remains >unchanged. > >5) The next lowest key functions as a CLEAR. You hold it down and press >another key to erase the loop recorded to that key. > >6) It's polyphonic so you can play back multiple loops. > >Sound like fun? Any comments are welcome. For example, when triggering >loop play back, should the recording playback (and loop) only while a key is >held down? Or should a press-and-release trigger playback of the entire >loop? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:22 PM >Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and >instantaneously play back from a keyboard > > >> Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to >> sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a >> keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be >able >> to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created >and >> then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard, >> >> thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:31:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13608; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c10b11$5eba45e0$a544f93f@looppool> From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: References: <200107121527.LAA24928@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:29:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5GnGd.A.EUD.cigT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kevin wrote: "Very interesting. I want to hear it too! But where? Where I can get to this KPIG archive broadcast???" Go to TALKBASS.com. There is a posted MP3 there. We will also post to the list when (and if) we have a live recording for sale of the tour. It is being edited as we speak. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:32:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13845; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT--info Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:30:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info--I will try to obey all written and unwritten protocols-- Bye From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:38:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14237; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012601c10b11$cce23190$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:32:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The echoplex already does all of these things! Use the sampler triggering > functions! > . . . Thanks, Kim! Guess I need to break out of my EDP "box" once in awhile. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:44:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14692; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c10b13$22527d00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:41:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeeze man- the things I still dont know about my EDP- I have to say I am guilty of using it to about 10% of it's cababilities- Thanks for the info Kim- Cliff PS- How much would it cost to have a SmartMedia card retrofitted? (5 digit response expected...) ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard > Dennis and Rick- > > The echoplex already does all of these things! Use the sampler triggering > functions! > > the interface is even simpler to use than you describe. > > All of the multiple loops are already mapped to keyboard keys. You can set > the range with the LoopTrig parameter. All of the usual functions are also > mapped to keyboard keys so you can fully control the echoplex that way as > well. So for example, you can set all the echoplex button functions to your > left hand on the keyboard, and trigger all the loops with your right. > > The SamplerStyle functions let you set how the loops are triggered by the > midi note on message. With "run", It just starts that loop and it keeps > going. with "one" it triggers the loop at the beginning and it plays once. > (it will retrigger if you hit the note again.) With "att" (attack) it will > play from the beginning as long as you hold the note down, and stop when > you release the key. (we are adding another one called "Sta" for start. > this will trigger the loop from the beginning and let it keep looping, > which we forgot to have before.) > > The Velocity parameter lets you turn velocity sensitivity on or off, so how > hard you press the key on the keyboard controls the volume. > > If you have AutoRecord turned on, triggering a loop that is empty will > start recording in it. So you press the key for that loop, it begins > recording. press it again, and it begins looping it. (or press another one > to end the record and jump to that, etc.) So you can quickly record a > loop, then play it back by pressing it's key. You can play the other loops > be pressing their keys, and basically use the EDP like a sampler. (except > you can record all the stuff on the fly easily.) > > I'm not set up to try it right now, but I think it samplemode=att and you > have autorecord on, you can press the key for an empty loop, and it will > record as long as you have the key pressed down. When you release, the > recording stops. Then you can play that loop each time you press the key > again, and it plays as long as you hold it. all the sample triggering and > other functions are available. > > Of course, all the usual echoplex functions are live, so you can jump to > any loop and turn overdub in to add something to it. Or multiply it, insert > to it, replace something in it, undo, feedback control, reset it, reverse, > etc etc. > > hope this helps, > kim > > > > At 7:38 AM -0700 7/12/01, Dennis Leas wrote: > >Hey, Rick, interesting that you should mention this. I've been think of > >building something like this for my Kyma system. Sort of an "Instantique > >Musique Concrete", eh? > > > >Here's the interface I've been thinking about so far - > > > >1) The beast is controlled via a standard MIDI keyboard. (Velocity sensing > >is not necessary; it can be a cheapy.) The lowest key functions as a > >RECORD/OVERDUB enable. The next to the lowest key functions as a CLEAR. > >The other keys control particular loops. > > > >2) You record to a particular key (or loop), say middle C, by holding down > >the RECORD/OVERDUB key and pressing the key, middle C in this example. You > >record as long as the key is held. Each key "holds" its own loop. > > > >3) After releasing the RECORD/OVERDUB key, whenenver you press middle C, the > >loop plays back. > > > >4) If a key already "contains" a loop, when you hold RECORD/OVERDUB and > >press the key again, you overdub onto the loop. The loop length remains > >unchanged. > > > >5) The next lowest key functions as a CLEAR. You hold it down and press > >another key to erase the loop recorded to that key. > > > >6) It's polyphonic so you can play back multiple loops. > > > >Sound like fun? Any comments are welcome. For example, when triggering > >loop play back, should the recording playback (and loop) only while a key is > >held down? Or should a press-and-release trigger playback of the entire > >loop? > > > >Dennis Leas > >------------------- > >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:22 PM > >Subject: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and > >instantaneously play back from a keyboard > > > > > >> Is anyone aware of a sampler (preferably inexpensive) that allows you to > >> sample an instrument and, instantaneously play that sample live from a > >> keyboard. I am really interested in found sound and would love to be > >able > >> to create keyboard samples that an audience could see were being created > >and > >> then played in front of their faces by either a wind synth or a keyboard, > >> > >> thanks, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 17:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17774; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:36:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:19:52 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: QUEERY: What samplers are out there let you record and instantaneously play back from a keyboard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02fd01c10b18$64c1aee0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> <003b01c10b13$22527d00$7bb387d8@cliff> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Jeeze man- the things I still dont know about my EDP- I have to say I am > guilty of using it to about 10% of it's cababilities- Thanks for the info > Kim- Cliff > PS- How much would it cost to have a SmartMedia card retrofitted? (5 digit > response expected...) > ;) $1.0001? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 18:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19821; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:11:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:11:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.121.53] From: "Patrick Bailey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass processing Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:10:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 22:10:08.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[69771C70:01C10B1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only difference between the Guitar micro- and the Bass micro- is literally three capacitors. You could probably mod one with a switch to go between guitar and bass mode. >From: "cameron street" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: bass processing >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:12:33 -0700 > >Noway! Bass through guitar shit is exciting. >Even if it did hurt it, , you might be going for >sort of sound where a pedal should be caned. >Hurt the man. Man DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Shindler" >To: "Loopers Delight" >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:33 PM >Subject: OT: bass processing > > > > Sorry for the off-topicality of this question, but I'm sure one of you > > bass-playin' gearheads can answer this simple question: > > > > I have a 5-string bass and I want to run it through an Electro-Harmonix > > Microsynth (which is NOT the bass model). Will this damage the >microsynth? > > > > Thanx. > > > > > > Peter > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:04:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20974; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:52:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.2717e01.287f83d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:51:05 EDT Subject: Re: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.2717e01.287f83d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10f.2717e01.287f83d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 12:12:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > well worth a look and listen at the KPIG linc.....much fun!.....thanks.....:)m --part1_10f.2717e01.287f83d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 12:12:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


www.talkbass.com


well worth a look and listen at the KPIG linc.....much fun!.....thanks.....:)m
--part1_10f.2717e01.287f83d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22378; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:03:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010712190028.007c94a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:00:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Martini skewers, Alligator Clips and Capoes, Oh My!!! In-Reply-To: <10f.2717e01.287f83d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, there's even a slide show featuring Rick's day-glo green pedalcuttingboard! At 06:51 PM 7/12/01 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/12/01 12:12:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > > >www.talkbass.com > > >well worth a look and listen at the KPIG linc.....much fun!.....thanks.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:22:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23105; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:21:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:21:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010712232054.55393.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <11mJD.A.uoF.XDjT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received a call from Alto Music to reconfirm my order. The lady said they expect to ship them within the next 10 days. We shall see. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:29:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23436; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:27:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200107122327.TAA01870@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7J1fhB.A.mtF.nJjT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just received a call from Alto Music to reconfirm > my order. The lady said they expect to ship them > within the next 10 days. That's no lady -- that's my wife! Does that mean that Electrix is shipping them right now or...? Did anyone get that email from Electrix?? Man, I hate to be such a gear junkie -- particularly when I have a very nice new piece at home that I've not had any time to play with in the last two weeks... but by then I should be out of the woods and be able to frolic with a nice new Repeater! /t -- semper ubi sub ubi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24144; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:48:11 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA24086 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom > Man, I hate to be such a gear junkie -- particularly when I have a very nice new piece at home that I've not had any time to play with in the last two weeks... but by then I should be out of the woods and be able to frolic with a nice new Repeater! /t I'm feeling that way as well... I got a PCM 80 a while back... at the same time someone ** gave ** me a little Alamo tube amp... and I quit plugging into my 'direct inject' setup and using just my pedals and EDP through the amp... and have ignored all the stuff in my rack for over a month. I figure I'll get back to it, but it's a sad state of affairs. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:53:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24479; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:54:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: OT: bass processing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Won't hurt the Microsynth, just don't expect it to track all that well. The >bass model barely tracks the b string. Still sounds ultra cool, though... > >** further off topic . . . Hey, if talking about trans-trems is allowable (sounds suspiciously like some sort of code for a fetish in the "other" category of the personals classifieds if you ask me, "SWM trans-trem, seeks..."), a bit of bass gear blab should be fine... > >i'm wondering about the eh ms. how good is the fuzz? dave, you say the >tracking isn't so good on the b string, does that mean it does on the e? >most seem to have a problem on anything lower than a c on the a string. Well, this is based on borrowing one with intent to purchase about a year ago, so I'm not an expert on the MS in any significant way. But it seemed that using the synth feature, it had a glitch on the attack of every note, and the length of the glitch got longer the lower you played. Was pretty unuseable on the e-string, less so on the b. The fuzz was unique in a thin and kind of reedy way, could see using it, but didn't feel it was an essential sound. Likewise the filter. I basically decided that other stuff I already had did what the MS could do better, and while it's a definitely cool pedal, wasn't really worth the $ to me. YMMV. By the way, I should point out to the original poster on this thread that, as far as I know, there isn't any guitar pedal that can be damaged by plugging a bass into it. It's an urban legend, probably spread by Guitar Center sales droids to steer unsuspecting bassists to the more expensive bass-specific FX. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:56:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24758; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Warr Questions Resent-Message-ID: <2Z3vvC.A.2BG.5ijT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Looping Friends- Though I realize we are now all officially in Repeater lust again, I'd appreciate any of you with experience in Warr Guitar vs. Stick could share your knowledge with me.. Basically I'm looking for opinions on relative merits, tone, sound, etc. I recognize Warr players will have one perception and Stickplayers another, and that's o.k. And if you've played/used both, that'd be even better! Since this is OT, please reply off list. Thanks to all! Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 20:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26353; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:07:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:07:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200107122327.TAA01870@www.editev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No email notification. I was also told that they expect them to ship sometime between the 7th and 21st of this month. So the 10 day target is in line with what I heard. Damn. This hurts. -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 6:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Does that mean that Electrix is shipping them right now or...? Did anyone get that email from Electrix?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 20:10:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26695; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:40:40 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-reply-to: <006c01c10aeb$e6003490$6b44230a@melon> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings vibrating physically, the thing that had a criver and a tube like a "voice-box" only attached fully to the headstock of your guitar, or some other kind of device??? can't remember? on 7/12/01 9:01 AM, Michael LaMeyer at mlameyer@rcn.com wrote: > Forsooth! I've never used a sustainiac or a stealth plus, but I > thought I recalled reading a ways back that the magnetically > induced sustain could also be used to generate controllable > feedback, and it was in that context that I queried. Verily. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 20:16:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27017; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:15:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:15:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712170747.021292d8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:10:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! In-Reply-To: <200107122327.TAA01870@www.editev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (04:27 PM 07.12.2001) wrote: >Does that mean that Electrix is shipping them right now >or...? Did anyone get that email from Electrix?? I've talked to Electrix in the last week or so... All of the project folks, and all of the beta testers are in the final round of beating the daylights out of the box. Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about last-minute tweaks at this point. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 20:29:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27478; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:23:54 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:40 PM -0700 7/12/01, glenn wrote: >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings >vibrating physically, the thing that had a criver and a tube like a >"voice-box" only attached fully to the headstock of your guitar, or some >other kind of device??? can't remember? The Sustainiac is a transducer that feeds the guitar signal back into the instrument, either through a "pickup" that drives the strings electromagnetically, or through a driver that mounts on the head stock. Maniac Music is a small company in Indianapolis that invented and still manufactures the Sustainiac. As I understand it, they originally licensed the Sustainiac technology to Fernandes Guitars, but Fernandes realized they could design their own system and not have to pay royalties to Maniac Music. The Fernandes Sustainer is a essentially the same thing as the Sustainiac, without the good vibes. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 20:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28238; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:45:25 -0700 Subject: Re: OT:Warr Questions From: Allan Hoeltje To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who, me opinionated? Off topic? Hell, gear to loop with is right on topic as far as I am concerned. I've owned two Sticks during the last five years and currently using a 12 string. I've never played a Warr but have seen Brian Kenny-Fresno play one at least umpteen times. (San Fransico bay area) "Tone" is the major point of perceived difference between Sticks and Warrs mostly because of the different hardware and pickups. That and the fact that a Warr, with that massive body, weighs considerably more than a Stick. Warr fans claim the body provides the tone. I feel that most of the tone is dictated by the effects you pump the signal through. I have heard both Stick and Warr played clean and swear they both sound reasonably the same. Other differences: The fret board of a Stick is flat, the Warr is slightly curved like a guitar. Strings on a Stick are parallel whereas on a Warr they flare out slightly towards the bridge. The Stick is, how do you say, kind of plain looking, the Warr is admittedly drop-jaw gorgeous in its styling. A 12 string Stick goes for about $2,000 new, the Warr around $4,000. I will remain a Stick player! Two months ago I saw Emmett Chapman demo his new 10 string graphite Stick with a newly designed passive pickup (see the www.stick.com web page for more) and was nearly wetting my pants with desire. LOOP CONTENT ============ The Stick, a bunch of FX units, and two EDP's has provided me with endless musical fun and enjoyment. That will only be topped, by spiritual enlightenment, when my Againiator arrives. The marketing rep told me yesterday that it will dispense Whisky, Whiskey, and Aqua Vita depending on how long you hold down the "Swill" button! -Allan on 7/12/01 4:57 PM, Mark Landman at landman@wco.com wrote: > Dear Looping Friends- > > Though I realize we are now all officially in Repeater lust again, I'd > appreciate any of you with experience in Warr Guitar vs. Stick could share > your knowledge with me.. > > Basically I'm looking for opinions on relative merits, tone, sound, etc. I > recognize Warr players will have one perception and Stickplayers another, > and that's o.k. And if you've played/used both, that'd be even better! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:11:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30183; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:10:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:10:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:10:13 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.ca46494.287fa475_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f8.ca46494.287fa475_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 7:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Biffle@asml.com writes: > and have ignored all the stuff in my rack for over a month. I figure I'll > get back to it, but it's a sad state of affairs. > if i dont have every piece of my equipment turned on and maxed out ( turned to 11) volume excluded of course, my family asks "well why did ya get that box.....dad?", i think buying that electrix stuff sent them over the edge, then when i got 12 10 foot cables and put it all together, they came back to my side because "oh!.....look at all them lites!".....i still sleep with one eye open.....:)m --part1_f8.ca46494.287fa475_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 7:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike.Biffle@asml.com writes:


and have ignored all the stuff in my rack for over a month. I figure I'll
get back to it, but it's a sad state of affairs.


if i dont have every piece of my equipment turned on and maxed out ( turned
to 11) volume excluded of course, my family asks "well why did ya get that
box.....dad?", i think buying that electrix stuff sent them over the edge,
then when i got 12 10 foot cables and put it all together, they came back to
my side because "oh!.....look at all them lites!".....i still sleep with one
eye open.....:)m --part1_f8.ca46494.287fa475_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30341; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010712210907.007d10b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:09:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-Reply-To: References: <006c01c10aeb$e6003490$6b44230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:40 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings >vibrating physically,....? That was the Gizmo (Gizmotron? Something like that) by Godley and Creme of 10cc fame. I haven't seen one o' them critters in a loooong time. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:16:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30652; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:15:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:46:40 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Warr Questions In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's off topic about it? these are awesome original instruments and perfect for looping. Anyway, I'd love to hear more about this, please? on 7/12/01 4:57 PM, Mark Landman at landman@wco.com wrote: > Warr Guitar vs. Stick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30906; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.e452aef.287fa612@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:06 EDT Subject: Re: OT:Warr Questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.e452aef.287fa612_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3c.e452aef.287fa612_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 8:47:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes: > The marketing rep told me > yesterday that it will dispense Whisky, Whiskey, and Aqua Vita depending on > how long you hold down the "Swill" button! > thank you allan!.....excellent.....also the bit about the warr and stick was good too!.....:)m --part1_3c.e452aef.287fa612_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/01 8:47:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ahoeltje@best.com writes:


The marketing rep told me
yesterday that it will dispense Whisky, Whiskey, and Aqua Vita depending on
how long you hold down the "Swill" button!


thank you allan!.....excellent.....also the bit about the warr and stick was
good too!.....:)m --part1_3c.e452aef.287fa612_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31410; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:26:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:57:12 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20010712210907.007d10b0@pop.ici.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 7/12/01 6:09 PM, Tim Nelson at tcn62@ici.net wrote: > At 05:40 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >> Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that >> had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings >> vibrating physically,....? > > That was the Gizmo (Gizmotron? Something like that) by Godley and Creme of > 10cc fame. I haven't seen one o' them critters in a loooong time. No doubt, thanks for filling in the gaps in my memory!! (and Richard thanks on the sustainic too!). Would love to have these toys, and an ebow, and a hardware looper... P.S. Since y'all remember the Gizmo, might anyone know how Steve Hackett got the kind of sustain(the most graceful and thick, rich and chocolit beautiful feedback ever?) he used on the song "The Steppes"? could that really have just been his marshall/Roland space echo/les paul combo or did he have some kind of other magic box?????? :):)I'm just askin glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32052; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:35:55 -0700 Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings >ibrating physically, the thing that had a criver and a tube like a >"voice-box" only attached fully to the headstock of your guitar, or some >other kind of device??? can't remember? The very first Sustainiac worked that way. After that, they switched to "pickup acting sort of like an eBow" model, similar to the Fernandes and Floyd Rose Sustainors. www.sustainiac.com used to have a little history about it, but I see they're down for a few weeks while they update their page. TH -- NEW official Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:49:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00334; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 5:40 PM -0700 7/12/01, glenn wrote: > >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that > >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings > >vibrating physically, the thing that had a criver and a tube like a > >"voice-box" only attached fully to the headstock of your guitar, or some > >other kind of device??? can't remember? > > The Sustainiac is a transducer that feeds the guitar signal back into > the instrument, either through a "pickup" that drives the strings > electromagnetically, or through a driver that mounts on the head > stock. > > Maniac Music is a small company in Indianapolis that invented and > still manufactures the Sustainiac. As I understand it, they > originally licensed the Sustainiac technology to Fernandes Guitars, > but Fernandes realized they could design their own system and not > have to pay royalties to Maniac Music. The Fernandes Sustainer is a > essentially the same thing as the Sustainiac, without the good vibes. And as of a few months ago (February, I believe) they had discontinued production of the Sustainiac the model that clamped to the headstock. The guitar pickup replacement design was still available. I'd love to find a bass Gizmotron around - saw one last year and should have bought it then. best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 21:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00903; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:53:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010712210907.007d10b0@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: > At 05:40 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that > >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings > >vibrating physically,....? > > That was the Gizmo (Gizmotron? Something like that) by Godley and Creme of > 10cc fame. I haven't seen one o' them critters in a loooong time. Here's a picture of a Gizmotron, and a sound sample. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~blint/page2.html Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 22:57:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03922; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.20010712214257.2a2f7180@pclink.com> X-Sender: thissong@pclink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:42:57 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Helmen Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) In-Reply-To: <200107130029.UAA27686@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3zcdJD.A.x8.aLmT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings >vibrating physically That sounds like the Gizmotron (I think). Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 00:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08612; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:34:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PA5CALIO@aol.com Message-ID: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:32:45 EDT Subject: Paia Electronic Kits etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_117.177451d.287fd3ed_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10007 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_117.177451d.287fd3ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everyone, I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment (modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into my mind. 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building some effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little experience. Will this be impossible for me? 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? I jsut started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to offer teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty cheap too. Thanks a lot every one! -pascalABIDOR --part1_117.177451d.287fd3ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everyone,
I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have
electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment
(modular synth, synth, effects).  A couple of questions have come into my
mind.
1) How difficult are these things to put together.  I plan on building some
effects and a modular synthesizer from paia.  I have very little experience.  
Will this be impossible for me?
2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia?  I jsut
started looking and haven't been really successful.  Paia appears to offer
teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty cheap too.  
Thanks a lot every one!
-pascalABIDOR --part1_117.177451d.287fd3ed_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 01:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10944; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> References: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:57:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217122176==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <8Rc-2B.A.3ZC.GAoT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1217122176==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: >Hey Everyone, >I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have >electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment >(modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into my >mind. >1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building some >effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little experience. >Will this be impossible for me? Answer: no. The kits are easy, you just have to be careful. Less careful than a lot of stuff involving modern microprocessors, even, they aren't QUITE as sensitive to heat. >2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? I jsut >started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to offer >teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty cheap too. >Thanks a lot every one! I'd be shocked if you could get decent quality any cheaper than Paia. They've been around forever, they're reputable, they started many a young tinkerer down a solitary road filled with breadboards and metal boxes... Their Theremin is supposed to be an amazing value, too! I'd give them my top recommendation. /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. --============_-1217122176==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA5CALIO@aol.comVerdana0000,0000,8= 080 wrote: Hey Everyone, I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment (modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into my mind. 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building some effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little experience. =20 Will this be impossible for me? Answer: no. The kits are easy, you just have to be careful. Less careful than a lot of stuff involving modern microprocessors, even, they aren't QUITE as sensitive to heat. 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? I jsut started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to offer teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty cheap too. =20 Thanks a lot every one! I'd be shocked if you could get decent quality any cheaper than Paia. They've been around forever, they're reputable, they started many a young tinkerer down a solitary road filled with breadboards and metal boxes... Their Theremin is supposed to be an amazing value, too! I'd give them my top recommendation. /t =2E......all legal games of chess <= =2E..... =2E....programmer's documentation <..............= =2E... --============_-1217122176==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 01:41:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12176; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:40:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:40:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4E9945.E786C2E9@ripco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:46:41 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Todd Quincy CC: openjam@aol.com Subject: RE: midwest loop References: <200107121527.LAA24928@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: midwest loop > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:25:56 -0400 > From: Todd Quincy > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > CC: openjam@aol.com > > Yep, so far about 10 of us in the Heartland are planning a loop event. > Chicago seems to be the best central location as well as a great town > to hang in for a weekend. After the first event we'll arrange others > in other towns, hopefully most of the same participants will travel to > Ohio, Michigan, etc. We're trying to start a loop tour circuit. Todd, Thanks for clarifying that. Do keep me informed. I may be able to help through my contacts here and in Ohio. Best regards, Eric -- Upcoming Performances, Broadcasts, Etc.: Friday, July 13, 5:00--8:00 pm, opening trio performance with Stephen Boyer (invented instruments) and Laurie Lee Moses (saxophone) at Fassbender van Straaten Gallery, for INTERFACE: EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES. Address: 835 W. Washington. (312) 666-4302. http://www.fassbendergallery.com/upcoming.html Friday, July 20, 10:00 pm, duo performance with Carol Genetti (voice) and the duo of Jonathan Chen (violin, electronics) and Jen Walshe (voice), at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Friday, July 27, 9:00 pm, Dead CEO presents: Eric Leonardson, solo; Carol Genetti (voice) and Fred Lonberg-Holm (cello), duo; Other artists to be confirmed, at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 New on Compact Disc: Winter Construction (dceo003) A compilation of Chicago artists with accompanying zine... available on-line at Dead CEO: http://www.deadceo.com/ Visit the High Zero 2000 documentation web site, "images, sound and video samples from... the High Zero festival of experimental improvised music, September 21 - 24 in Baltimore... 34 amazing improvisers from Europe, North America and our own Baltimore.": http://www.highzero.org/festival_documentation/highzero2000documentati on/index.htm Eric Leonardson web pages: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 02:07:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14053; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c10b62$0b3bbf10$02fea8c0@comp1ntfs> From: "Jim Poppen" To: References: <6567-3B4D3CDB-1943@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3.0.5.32.20010712023529.007c7b80@mail.earthlink.net> <3B4DC404.48F2A692@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:07:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Goddess wrote: > > > -And, in a somewhat different and much more immediately accessible form > > of octophonic playback, there's apparently an album from a band whose name > > I unfortunatley can't remember at the moment, which consists of four CDs > > which are all played back ALMOST simultaneously on four separate stereo > > systems. It's apparently quite the collector's item lately. People have > > parties based around it. > > > Then jas: > This would be Zariika (spelling?) by the wonderful Flaming Lips. > > Pining for the days when everyone would gather around > the phonograph listening to the newest Beatles release, they created & > released this set. All together now... ;) > > My friend has a copy, but we have yet to give it a go... > > later, > -jas > Albuquerque Close on the spelling. It's "Zaireeka" (a mix of Zaire and Eureka, I forget the significance of this combination). I had to double check the spelling myself. Like the Flaming Lips or not, this is most definitely worth checking out. Since it's out of print, you can usually find a copy on ebay for about $30-$50. There's a very real warning on the front of the CD:"...This recording also contains frequencies not normally heard on commercial recordings and on rare occasions has caused the listener to become disoriented." (Read the liner notes for a bit more detail.) I thought this warning was a joke until I queued up the "nauseating" track #6 on just two stereos (synching manually is trial and error, and getting all four discs to play at the same time is tricky), and stopped the "song" (more like a chorus of sine waves) immediately for fear of, well, hurling. Don't worry, the other seven tracks are "real songs". Throwing a party seems to be the way to go. Might as well blow a few more minds after having to set up four stereos. If anyone is interested in reading further, check out: http://www.flaminglips.com/cmp/zwaffle.htm http://www.janecek.com/zaireeka.html Octophonic regards, Jim p.s. Here's some more encouragement from me urging readers of this list ('specially old-timers, lurkers like me included) to contribute a bit o' cash to Kim. Dust off the cobwebs on your wallets, fer pete's sake. :-) p.p.s. Outlook Express is a steaming pile. >:-0 I use it now because Netscape's mail app was getting crusty. (Just wanted to bitch) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 02:34:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14850; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:33:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4F3EC0.2DE043DD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:32 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. References: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I build the fuzztone box many moons ago, but I had a bit of experience at that point (with a soldering iron) You might want to check out "100 electronics projects for musicians" by Craig Anderton. It outlines some of the important dos and don'ts of electronics. Mark PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > Hey Everyone, > I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have > electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment > (modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into > my > mind. > 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building > some > effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little > experience. > Will this be impossible for me? > 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? > I jsut > started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to > offer > teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty > cheap too. > Thanks a lot every one! > -pascalABIDOR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 02:42:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15364; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Paia Electronic Kits etc. Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:39:45 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I bought a few of the effects in the Craig Anderton range and mounted them in a fracrack. My experience with electronics is minimal, but if you just be careful and follow the instructions closely, it turns out OK. Its good to perhaps know a little fault finding or circuit tracing in case things don't work, but you can probably get by without. All in all, I think they are pretty good value. au$0.04 omjn -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Friday, 13 July 2001 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment (modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into my mind. 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building some effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little experience. Will this be impossible for me? Answer: no. The kits are easy, you just have to be careful. Less careful than a lot of stuff involving modern microprocessors, even, they aren't QUITE as sensitive to heat. 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? I jsut started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to offer teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty cheap too. Thanks a lot every one! I'd be shocked if you could get decent quality any cheaper than Paia. They've been around forever, they're reputable, they started many a young tinkerer down a solitary road filled with breadboards and metal boxes... Their Theremin is supposed to be an amazing value, too! I'd give them my top recommendation. /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 03:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17124; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:00:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c10b6a$5d7a0040$99936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Gizmo Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:46:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <4XaTtC.A.SLE.HypT7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, Is that YOUR Gizmo ? If so, could you take a bigger picture of it - not that I'm perverted or anything it's just that I did a couple of gigs with a band featuring the most amazing hurdy gurdy player a week or two ago and he was showing me how it worked. Anyway, I'd like to apply the same principle to my guitar and as I understand it, the gizmo works the same way. Also the sound sample is of an Ebow rather than the Gizmo - how about a sample ? Cheers, Gareth > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > At 05:40 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar that > > >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings > > >vibrating physically,....? > > > > That was the Gizmo (Gizmotron? Something like that) by Godley and Creme of > > 10cc fame. I haven't seen one o' them critters in a loooong time. > > Here's a picture of a Gizmotron, and a sound sample. > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~blint/page2.html > > Steve > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 03:18:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17718; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: Gizmo In-Reply-To: <000a01c10b6a$5d7a0040$99936fd4@y5w2s5> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, whiteoakstudios wrote: > Hi Steve, > Is that YOUR Gizmo ? > If so, could you take a bigger picture of it - not that I'm perverted or > anything it's just that I did a couple of gigs with a band featuring the > most amazing hurdy gurdy player a week or two ago and he was showing me how > it worked. Anyway, I'd like to apply the same principle to my guitar and as > I understand it, the gizmo works the same way. > Also the sound sample is of an Ebow rather than the Gizmo - how about a > sample ? Umm, it's not mine - and sorry for the confusion about the sound sample, I skimmed the page rather quickly. I have a more detailed & longer description I compiled when researching the item and stashed somewhere. best, Steve > > Cheers, > > Gareth > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > At 05:40 PM 7/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Was the sustainiac the thing you mounted on the bridge of your guitar > that > > > >had little rubber toy monster truck looking wheels and kept the strings > > > >vibrating physically,....? > > > > > > That was the Gizmo (Gizmotron? Something like that) by Godley and Creme > of > > > 10cc fame. I haven't seen one o' them critters in a loooong time. > > > > Here's a picture of a Gizmotron, and a sound sample. > > > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~blint/page2.html > > > > Steve > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ > > > > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 03:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18121; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010713072513.57767.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- PA5CALIO@aol.com wrote: > Hey Everyone, > I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) ... > 1) How difficult are these things to put together.... I have very >little experience. pascalABIDOR, Can you solder? That is the fundamental skill you must master before you can expect to build an electronic kit that will work, and be reliable. Soldering is not hard. You just need to learn the process of how to prepare and connect the parts to be soldered, how to heat the parts properly, to apply the solder, and how to visually inspect the joint in order to be confident of the conection. If you can't solder, ask and I can give you some help, via direct email (off levnet). You can practise soldering on old junk electronics. > Will this be impossible for me? Not if you learn the proper skills, and can follow written directions. You will need to learn to identify resistors, capacitors, inductors, transistors, etc. Pictures with identification are typically in the instructions. If you need to debug a problem (which is inevitable), you should learn to read schematics and learn the basic circuit operation principles like 'How does it work?', 'What does each part do?' or conversly 'Where are the parts that do this particular function?' > 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? > I jsut > started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to > offer > teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty > cheap too. I don't know of such kits other than paia for the synth and effects stuff. I built a couple of 70's paia kits (phlanger, programable drummer) and have seen other paia kits (tubehead, compressor, reverb) built by friends over the past 20+ years. All of them worked ok, but did not have very robust physical construction. Some of them were rather noisy (in the audio circuit path), but given the vintage of the parts/designs (70-80's), that may be par for the course. The paia kits I bought also were outdated technology rapidly (bucket brigade analog flanger, simple programable 'drum' machine with pong like sounds), but again given the vintage that's how it happened in the late 70's and early 80's. Once digital delay devices and sampled sounds were possible my 'phlanger' and drum box kits were obsolete. I thought the kits were ok, but certainly not state of the art performance or construction for the time. If there are cheaper kits, I would not buy them. I would doubt their performance, documentation and support. Paia kits work, are documented well and come with good technical support, but their low cost obviously limits the hardware and design options, and therefor performance. > Thanks a lot every one! > -pascalABIDOR good luck, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 03:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18665; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010713074740.21709.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712170747.021292d8@mulder.intermag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Pulver wrote: >Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, > and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about last->minute tweaks at this point. > > Mark If the last minute tweaks are not code, then what could they be? In my industry, "code complete" means you lock the code, the tweaks are done, and the testing on the tweaks is done. When you tweak the code, you must regression test. I know nothing of the repeater particulars, I was just confused by the 2 comments that seemed contrary to one another. I hope the repeater is available soon. Don't we all? Else there will be more againator design sessions here ;-) bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 04:33:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20921; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:32:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:32:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c10b76$449d71e0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:31:48 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PA5CALIO@aol.com asked: 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building some effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little experience. Will this be impossible for me? If you can play an instrument you have the manual dexterity to do this. I suspect the most complex aspects have to do with [a] learning to use a 12v soldering iron/pencil, and [b] if you surpass the instructions and try to read the schematics. Either way PAIA's a great way to not only learn how to do the above, but learn a bit more about how all this great stuff works. 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? I don't think so. Craig Anderton's designs are quiet for the money. Their cases have gotten better over the past 20 years too. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 05:27:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23010; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:25:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:25:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:55:57 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. In-reply-to: <20010713072513.57767.qmail@web10105.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For general familiarity with circuits and components I recommend "Getting started in electronics" by Forest Simms III from any radio shack for about 4-5 bucks cash, explains basic electronics from little smiley face electrons to helping you build your own effects. Very cool book to have. Plus all the other advice in Bret's email and you should be good. Practicing on junk boards is a great idea. break pieces of 60/40 solder off the spool in couple of foot long pieces so the flux doesn't get drained out of the spool. Clean the tip of the soldering iron a bunch, especially if you don't have a temperature regulated iron, as it will help cool it down a bit. anytime you need to de-solder make sure you put extra solder on first, so the vacuum pump(about 10 bucks) with be able to get it out well. Practice was the best advice. The main thing you don't want is for the pads to lift off the board from too much heat(though sometimes you can rework it) and not to heat up the components too much. p.s. try not to breath the smoke from the soldering, and if you drop the iron, don't try to catch it-found out first hand what the phrase"smells like chicken" meant" plus got the brand name of the iron branded into my hand that way by accident!:) on 7/13/01 12:25 AM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: >> Will this be impossible for me? > Not if you learn the proper skills, and can follow written directions. > You will need to learn to identify resistors, capacitors, inductors, > transistors, etc. Pictures with identification are typically in the > instructions. > > If you need to debug a problem (which is inevitable), you should learn > to read schematics and learn the basic circuit operation principles > like 'How does it work?', 'What does each part do?' or conversly 'Where > are the parts that do this particular function?' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 06:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24819; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:09:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:09:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010713060644.007d5600@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:06:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. In-Reply-To: <117.177451d.287fd3ed@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:32 AM 7/13/01 EDT, you wrote: >I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have >electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment ... >Will this be impossible for me? I built a Theremax a couple of years ago and was impressed by how clearly-written the instructions were. It was pretty easy. Brush up on yr soldering skills before you dive into the kit and you should be OK. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 06:24:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25283; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4EE6CD.FBDB8C32@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:17:17 +0000 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. References: <3.0.5.32.20010713060644.007d5600@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a link with a lllot of infos http://www.geofex.com/ Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 07:40:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27656; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4EDE26.9748BEC@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:40:22 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Paia Electronic Kits etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just finishing up a 9700 modular, and I highly recommend the Paia kits. You don't have to be an "expert", the directions are quite good, although basic soldering/assembly skills are needed. I'd recommend starting with a simpler kit to get experience - I've heard good things about the fatman, as well as the Anderton projects. One of the great things about Paia is their tech support - they'll help you with assembly or trouble-shooting as needed. I'd also recommend getting a *good* soldering iron (I bought the Weller temperature-controlled soldering station), as well as reasonable quality tools. For test equipment, you can get by with a decent multi-meter, but I'm finding an oscilloscope extremely useful for testing the 9700. You might also want to join the synth-diy mail list (synth-diy@node12b53.a2000.nl), where there are lots of helpful folks, and you can start adding to your electronics knowledge. Have fun and good luck, Elby >Hey Everyone, > I recently started checking out Paia's stuff (www.paia.com) they have > electronic kits to biuld lots of differnet electronic music equipment > (modular synth, synth, effects). A couple of questions have come into > my > mind. > 1) How difficult are these things to put together. I plan on building > some > effects and a modular synthesizer from paia. I have very little > experience. > Will this be impossible for me? > 2) Are there places where I can get these kits for cheaper than paia? > I jsut > started looking and haven't been really successful. Paia appears to > offer > teh cheapest modular synth kit and their effects kits seem pretty > cheap too. > Thanks a lot every one! > -pascalABIDOR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 10:07:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01864; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:06:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:06:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Octophonic sound system Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:04:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I had posted this to the list before, but perhaps it was to another one (the topic has come up on three different lists I'm subscribed to in the last month!). Folks interested in this topic may want to check out the following site: http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/mustech/3d_audio/ambison.htm Apologies if it was posted before, but it didn't seem to generate any response if it was. Also; > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system > > Have you ever investigated the idea of > three-channel? > Brian Eno put the setup for such a thing in the liner notes > for "On Land", > which alas are in storage with my vinyl in LA - but > essentially it's such > that you have a single speaker that's lower-impedance than > your pair of > other speakers, connected up so that one terminal is on the > Left -, and the > other on Right +. What one gets out of that speaker is a "subtracted" > sound, as he put it. In combination with two speakers however, this > produces a more "3D" result. I'm not sure if it's a problem with your nomenclature, Stephen, or a fault of memory (often my failing). The single speaker should actually be connected to the +, red, or whatever designation is given to the "hot" terminal, of _both_ channels. Connecting one side to the -, or black terminal will just put another load in parallel with whichever + it is connected to. The purpose is to get a signal going through the third speaker which is NOT common to both sides, which can only be achieved by using the +es. I've been using this set-up since I first bought "On Land" and it is amazing. Something I particularly like listening to, in total darkness for maximum effect, is the beginning of "The Ancients" from "Tales From Topographic Oceans" by Yes (side three to us vinyl junkies). I also have a little box made by Dynaco that probably does the same sort of thing, except that it uses a resistor pad to split the "rear" signal into two channels. Haven't had the opportunity to set that one up for a long time though. I'd recommend the set-up to anyone. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 10:44:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03150; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c501c10ba9$c9f26890$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Octophonic sound system Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/mustech/3d_audio/ambison.htm > Thanks for the link, Jim. Great site! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 10:45:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03187; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:41:38 +0200 Subject: Re: Warr Questions From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15L4Ac-1V0vgWC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ehmmmmm, ask Emmet (Chapman),what opinion he has about the Warr-guitars. Warr brought Emmet nearly to a position -a few years ago-where he really was nearly close to a decision to "burry" the Chapman Stick. The Warr Guitars own a kind of Behringerism. ;-) Fortunately Emmet continued his work. For me,the injection molded Stick is my perfect beast.Maybe a little heavy.I play also a Grand Stick and a Stickbass.Missing in this collection is only the NS-Stick. Mostly I use the Polycarbonate Stick.This is the Tool for all cases.Full and splendid sound. Perfect for looping and advanced Filtering. Of course Stick and Warr-gits are not OT in LD.They are perfect for loopers.With a wide range and a wonderful sound,wich waits only to be looped andshaped again and again and again.... Marty >Von: glenn >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Betreff: Re: Warr Questions >Datum: Fre, 13. Jul 2001 3:46 Uhr > >What's off topic about it? these are awesome original instruments and >perfect for looping. Anyway, I'd love to hear more about this, please? > >on 7/12/01 4:57 PM, Mark Landman at landman@wco.com wrote: > >> Warr Guitar vs. Stick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 11:30:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05877; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:27:09 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA05829 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those $79 Filter Queens look might enticing... -Miko >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 07/12/01 06:10PM >>> In a message dated 7/12/01 7:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike.Biffle@asml.com writes: > and have ignored all the stuff in my rack for over a month. I figure I'll > get back to it, but it's a sad state of affairs. > if i dont have every piece of my equipment turned on and maxed out ( turned to 11) volume excluded of course, my family asks "well why did ya get that box.....dad?", i think buying that electrix stuff sent them over the edge, then when i got 12 10 foot cables and put it all together, they came back to my side because "oh!.....look at all them lites!".....i still sleep with one eye open.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07375; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:58:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:58:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713085442.02322cf0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:54:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret (12:47 AM 07.13.2001) wrote: >--- Mark Pulver wrote: >>Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, >> and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about >last->minute tweaks at this point. >> >> Mark > >If the last minute tweaks are not code, then what could they be? In my >industry, "code complete" means you lock the code, the tweaks are done, >and the testing on the tweaks is done. In the last couple of jobs I've been in (big and small, ISO 9001 and not), we call "code complete" meaning that the developers have completed what they feel is their pass to provide all the functionality that the spec calls for. At that point, you turn the product over to QA for a full test (versus unit tests or testing with known restrictions) and see what shakes out. For example, the project I'm on now was "code complete" a couple of weeks ago, yet we're still in the code making changes. Our QA group is enjoying themselves finding certain Compact Flash parts that don't work, certain CD-ROM drives that cause the code to not show all files on a CDDA disc, operation issues with user-flow diagrams, etc. >When you tweak the code, you must regression test. Yeup. Which is basically why this test cycle with Repeater is taking a while. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08913; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:07:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:07:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:06:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200107131606.MAA08320@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >--- Mark Pulver wrote: > >>Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, > >> and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about > >last->minute tweaks at this point. > >> > >> Mark > > > >If the last minute tweaks are not code, then what could they be? In my > >industry, "code complete" means you lock the code, the tweaks are done, > >and the testing on the tweaks is done. Let's all applaud Electrix for NOT releasing a buggy product to the market. I have to feel that there's someone intelligent back there who's determined that when it goes to market there are not going to be any known bugs. And they are completely right. In the hardware business, b etter to be months and months late with a flawless product than to be on-time with something that almost works. /t -- semper ubi sub ubi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09189; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:09:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4FC5C7.E71BC281@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:08:39 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! References: <20010713074740.21709.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Double talk coming from Electrix? In case no one remembers, last November they announced it would be in stores in a few weeks, then a few days before the release date they said, "We've got to redesign the power supply. It will be another 30-40 days." That story also didn't ring true, and panned out to not be. Again, an Electrix salesman SWORE to me (at the Banannas at Large demo) that the Repeater would be in stores the 15th of June. That day came and went too. Don't hold your breath, is my position. I know you're probably saying, "Mark, of course you're against Electrix, as a major stockholder of Electos Inc breeders of the Againinator." but the truth is, I WANT A REPEATER NOW!!!!!!!! I am so jones'n for it, as are a lot of us. I admire them for not wanting to release a subpar product, but I wish they'd just come clean and let us know the TRUTH. We're a bright bunch, and I'm sure we all understand that Electrix is a small company. I know no one stands to make billions (holds pinkie up to edge of lip) on the Repeater. I know it is a labor of love. I'd love it if someone there just said something like, "We're really having trouble with the code." or "The factory shipped us units with slices of Pizza in each unit." I'd get on the sidelines, dust off my pom-poms and start rooting for the underdog. This weird little leaking of info to the list just make me sad. (pets hairless cat) Mark Bret wrote: > --- Mark Pulver wrote: > >Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, > > and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about > last->minute tweaks at this point. > > > > Mark > > If the last minute tweaks are not code, then what could they be? In my > industry, "code complete" means you lock the code, the tweaks are done, > and the testing on the tweaks is done. > > When you tweak the code, you must regression test. > > I know nothing of the repeater particulars, I was just confused by the > 2 comments that seemed contrary to one another. > I hope the repeater is available soon. Don't we all? > Else there will be more againator design sessions here ;-) > bret > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:20:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09896; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4CA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:16:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10BB7.314DAF60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BB7.314DAF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We're a bright bunch, and I'm sure we all understand that Electrix is a small company. ** of course, the list is not hermetically sealed and people talk, getting info out into the general public. you can decide for yourself if that would be "good" for electrix. (and what with the sniping that goes on here sometimes, i wonder about how bright we always are.) also, i betcha they're not even particularly worried about this group right now - - my bet is they need to get the damn thing out and make sure they keep their cash flow happening . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BB7.314DAF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?!

We're a bright bunch, and I'm sure we all understand = that Electrix is a small company.

** of course, the list is not hermetically sealed and = people talk, getting info out into the general public. you can decide = for yourself if that would be "good" for electrix. (and what = with the sniping that goes on here sometimes, i wonder about how bright = we always are.)

also, i betcha they're not even particularly worried = about this group right now - - my bet is they need to get the damn = thing out and make sure they keep their cash flow happening . . . =

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10BB7.314DAF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:26:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10384; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:25:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:25:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:28:04 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713085442.02322cf0@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713085442.02322cf0@mulder.intermag.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the latest from Alto Music: The first batch of 20 units is due to be delivered to them within the first week or so, and that group of customers should have already been notified about when to expect theirs. The next batch of 30 units will arrive shortly after that, and that group of customers will be also be notified, probably by this weekend. All existing orders will supposedly be filled by the end of this month. Orders will be filled in the order they were received. The earliest orders on Alto's list date from last September, and they are being filled first. My own order was placed in February, so it will be fulfilled out of a subsequent batch. The person handling the orders is named Jen, and it sounds like she has things well under control. There is probably no need to call Alto to pester them about your order, but I imagine that if you haven't heard from them by next week it would be appropriate to e-mail them at Jen told me that she can't announce the price until the units are actually in the store, but that it would be lower than the recently $525 quoted by other vendors. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:36:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10980; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:34:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:34:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to agree here, being in design for a number of years, we've made some horrendous blunders in the past trying to get a new product out before it has been fully animalised, ('animalized' for those in the US). Thankfully, we have learnt from those mistakes and have actually delayed product for over a year before when we've not been totally happy with it. It's always the design-engineers fault when a product goes wrong even if it's only because we've overlooked the level of stupidity of a potential user. (don't anyone take offence, LD subscribers are in a different league from some of the Twats I've had to deal with, you'd be amazed what damage you can do with a Bass amp given a random handful of brain cells). Andy @ Trace Elliot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] > Sent: 13 July 2001 17:07 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! > > > > >--- Mark Pulver wrote: > > >>Functionality is all there, the manual is complete, > > >> and they've been "code complete" for a while. It's all about > > >last->minute tweaks at this point. > > >> > > >> Mark > > > > > >If the last minute tweaks are not code, then what could > they be? In my > > >industry, "code complete" means you lock the code, the > tweaks are done, > > >and the testing on the tweaks is done. > > Let's all applaud Electrix for NOT releasing a buggy product > to the market. I have to feel that there's someone intelligent > back there who's determined that when it goes to market there > are not going to be any known bugs. > > And they are completely right. In the hardware business, b > etter to be months and months late with a flawless > product than to be on-time with something that almost works. > > /t > > -- > semper ubi sub ubi > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 13:23:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13763; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.74.112.179] From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Green MXR Delay Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:19:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 17:19:40.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[000AAAD0:01C10BC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone ever used one of these? It is my beloved, but is somewhat unreliable. I have taken it to the shop and now realize I should find a suitable Replacement/backup. I was hoping the Headrush might have some of the same sonic qualities, but I haven't been able to find one in any stores. Maybe the DL4? A second looper to go with the rang certainly sweetens the deal. N _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25627; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:45:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:45:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:43:54 EDT Subject: Re: Green MXR Delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.16a2919a.2880c59a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: <7N_vaC.A.NQG.7u2T7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a6.16a2919a.2880c59a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/13/01 1:20:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nickschillace@hotmail.com writes: > A second looper > to go with the rang certainly sweetens the deal. > the zoom 2100 has given me great pleasure.....i have been asking myself the question, "do i want more loopers or do i want more efx?".....i dont have an answer yet!.....of course "both" fit the bill perfectly.....but then again i look at the stuff i do have and come to the conclusion that i only know how to use 28% of it all, YET i want more stuff!.....im getting scared.....medication is not the answer.....:)m --part1_a6.16a2919a.2880c59a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/13/01 1:20:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nickschillace@hotmail.com writes:


A second looper
to go with the rang certainly sweetens the deal.


the zoom 2100 has given me great pleasure.....i have been asking myself the
question, "do i want more loopers or do i want more efx?".....i dont have an
answer yet!.....of course "both" fit the bill perfectly.....but then again i
look at the stuff i do have and come to the conclusion that i only know how
to use 28% of it all, YET i want more stuff!.....im getting
scared.....medication is not the answer.....:)m --part1_a6.16a2919a.2880c59a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:52:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28413; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010713184543.007d7460@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:45:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:27 AM 7/13/01 -0700, you wrote: >Those $79 Filter Queens look might enticing... -Miko Mine just arrived this afternoon (ordered Tuesday)! And so did the RC-20 (back-ordered since last month)! Guess what I'll be doing this weekend? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:57:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28719; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:55:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010713185243.007cdd20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:52:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM 7/13/01 -0500, Andy @ Trace Elliot wrote: >...stupidity... >...some ofthe Twats I've had to deal with... >...random handful of brain cells... but i thohgt the custamer was allways saposed to be write (sic) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:01:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28959; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:58:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010713225748.10291.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: sp 202 issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107112255.SAA04617@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've never really experienced fidelity issues with the 202. my issue has been that in trying to create longer samples (30 seconds plus) it might record it, but eventually play back would fuck up about half way through a sample, and continue looping the place where it got stuck, plus sampling quantization noise etc. now that the price is coming down, it really can't be beat for the price. but they seem to be fragile. i would suggest that anyone really try one out before buying it used. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:42:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31306; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:41:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:41:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: sp 202 issues Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i've never really experienced fidelity issues with the >202. my issue has been that in trying to create longer >samples (30 seconds plus) it might record it, but >eventually play back would fuck up about half way >through a sample, and continue looping the place where >it got stuck, plus sampling quantization noise etc. For whatever it's worth, I've never had that problem with mine, either recording to the internal memory or to the smart card. I regularly record really long samples to the card without any glitch. > >now that the price is coming down, it really can't be >beat for the price. but they seem to be fragile. i >would suggest that anyone really try one out before >buying it used. Agreed. It's a pretty limited piece of gear, but can be had for cheap and can be fun if you can live with its limitations. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Minus: Dark Lit ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:46:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31572; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200107132343.f6DNh8b23484@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Green MXR Delay Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA31530 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why don´t you simply buy a reissue MXR delay from Dunlop??? A At 01:19 p.m. 13/07/01 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone ever used one of these? It is my beloved, but is somewhat unreliable. >I have taken it to the shop and now realize I should find a suitable >Replacement/backup. >I was hoping the Headrush might have some of the same sonic qualities, but I >haven't been able to find one in any stores. Maybe the DL4? A second looper >to go with the rang certainly sweetens the deal. >N >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 21:22:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03733; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010713192411.007db630@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:24:11 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: OT: The Guitar Cafe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I thought some of you might be interested in this. I've just started a list called The Guitar Cafe, for guitarists in all styles of music, for the discussion of technique, theory, creative ideas, anecdotes around playing the instrument, and the sharing of musical snippets etc. If you'd like, you can visit it at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Guitar-Cafe -Hope to see you there, and Have a great weekend!, K? Smiles, Goddess --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 23:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09057; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B4FE588.98ECAD05@home.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:24:08 -0700 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp 202 issues References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------807CC314C806A4E4BCF06B00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------807CC314C806A4E4BCF06B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, Ever consider the notion that you may have a failure with your unit? It is possible that the reliability issue is a bad solder connection or failed piece of circuitry. I've been repairing gear for a few decades now and have seen about every possible failure. The majority seem to be a function of a failed solder connection. Be it the connection itself or the component further down the path. Just my two cents... Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit Dave Trenkel wrote: > > >i've never really experienced fidelity issues with the > >202. my issue has been that in trying to create longer > >samples (30 seconds plus) it might record it, but > >eventually play back would fuck up about half way > >through a sample, and continue looping the place where > >it got stuck, plus sampling quantization noise etc. > > For whatever it's worth, I've never had that problem with mine, either > recording to the internal memory or to the smart card. I regularly record > really long samples to the card without any glitch. > > > >now that the price is coming down, it really can't be > >beat for the price. but they seem to be fragile. i > >would suggest that anyone really try one out before > >buying it used. > > Agreed. It's a pretty limited piece of gear, but can be had for cheap and > can be fun if you can live with its limitations. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Minus: Dark Lit > ____________________________________________ --------------807CC314C806A4E4BCF06B00 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;cell:248-763-1103 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:http://www.soul-fruit.com fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------807CC314C806A4E4BCF06B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 09:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16481; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c10c61$94ab4d60$20b86fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <00dd01c10aa2$68aafaa0$82936fd4@y5w2s5> <021501c10aeb$5032bfa0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Bleen here before Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:44:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <7hBcF.A.3-D.RtDU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK when I get round to it, I'll post you a copy -you can tell me what you think. Gareth > i have a vortex and a kyma. > i would be interested in emulating this effect as well, > but i'm new to the kyma. if you hook me up with your > sound, i'll compare it to the original. > > off the top of my head, i'm thinking bleenb is > a pitch shifter detune into a tapped delay with the > delay feedback going through an amplitude modulator. > > i can also dig up the vortex manual if you need... > > > > > Ok so far I've found out the following:- > > > > 'Bleen B is an echo diving into ring modulation ' > > and > > 'Bleen, a ring modulator that decays into tremelo' > > > > Is it either/both/neither ? > > I'm interested in emulating the effect using Kyma so I need to understand > > what's going on here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gareth > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 09:37:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18452; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:24:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:22:12 EDT Subject: Re: Llive lloops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <-DKFDB.A.nfE.KeEU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth best of luck with the Vortex emulation. but remember, if you want to copy the morph abilities of the Vortex then there's added complications. quite often the parameters set for one algorithm will have no equivalent in another, although you can hear that parameter change value as you morph away from the relevant patch. ...for instance, you can morph between 2 different patches, both of which have the echo volumes set to zero, and sometimes you'll get audible echoes while morphing. I call this "hidden parameters", but Lexicon are somewhat mute on the subject . Oh, and do keep posting your gig announcements, it's still a long way for me, but I have friends in Penarth. andy butler (Norwich UK) Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 09:39:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18652; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <120.1a5f088.2881a182@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:22:10 EDT Subject: what is Bleen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there are 2 Bleens Bleen A is Shimmer B Bleen B is Maze B but don't tell anybody From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 10:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20805; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <34.17d4f7fe.2881ae28@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:16:08 EDT Subject: OT gig spam (pittsburgh) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.17d4f7fe.2881ae28_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_34.17d4f7fe.2881ae28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i will be taking it down to CLUB CAFE in historic SOUTH SIDE (right off carson, on 12th st) this thursday the 19th.....i am opening for a lounge band, this should be very interesting.....i go on at 8:00.....there will be a cover charge, i dont know how much.....if anyone wants to join me, let me know.....:)m --part1_34.17d4f7fe.2881ae28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i will be taking it down to CLUB CAFE in historic SOUTH SIDE (right off
carson, on 12th st) this thursday the 19th.....i am opening for a lounge
band, this should be very interesting.....i go on at 8:00.....there will be a
cover charge, i dont know how much.....if anyone wants to join me, let me
know.....:)m --part1_34.17d4f7fe.2881ae28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 10:36:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23020; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:35:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:35:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.100.59] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp 202 issues Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:34:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 14:34:52.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[2491E230:01C10C72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



My, what a can of worms. I have had my Sp 202 for about 2.5 years, and it has never exhibited those types of problems. Check your smart media card, those things are not "immortal", they do go bad. If this is a used item, then maybe it was damaged ? Or maybe it is time for it to meet it's maker (literally...send it in for repair.. or just go to Guitar Center, use it as a tradin, and get the SP 303).

 



 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 12:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08132; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:33:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:33:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c10c82$689d36e0$3f1028d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Llive lloops Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:14:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I've mentioned the idea of morphing parameter settings to Symbolic Sound and they've put it on their, (presumably enormous) list of things to do. Maybe you could give them a nudge too ? I'm hoping to use 2 Leslies and a plethora of piezo tweeters mounted on mic stands around the room in my next gig in a couple of weeks time - you're very welcome! Best, Gareth > Hi Gareth > best of luck with the Vortex emulation. > but remember, if you want to copy the > morph abilities of the Vortex then there's added > complications. quite often the parameters set > for one algorithm will have no equivalent in another, > although you can hear that parameter change value as > you morph away from the relevant patch. > ...for instance, you can morph between 2 different > patches, both of which have the echo volumes set to zero, > and sometimes you'll get audible echoes while morphing. > I call this "hidden parameters", but Lexicon are > somewhat mute on the subject . > > Oh, and do keep posting your gig announcements, > it's still a long way for me, but I have friends in Penarth. > > > andy butler (Norwich UK) > Lexicon Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 16:34:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20955; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:32:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <047301c10ca4$f072a6a0$dcf2aac8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3B4E00FE.F3016634@cabq.gov> Subject: Gizmo Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:38:24 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0470_01C10C8B.C8446EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0470_01C10C8B.C8446EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://hammer.ampage.org/files/Device1-2.PDF ------=_NextPart_000_0470_01C10C8B.C8446EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://hammer.ampag= e.org/files/Device1-2.PDF
------=_NextPart_000_0470_01C10C8B.C8446EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 22:46:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02962; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: From: "Mike Feeney" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: pci sound card? Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c10cd8$2c286a80$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8T9JmD.A.9t.4NQU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey again, I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping for one that will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 23:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04865; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:18:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:18:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:49:11 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: pci sound card? In-reply-to: <000001c10cd8$2c286a80$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One friend is very happy using Lexicon Core II with Cubase on a 600Mhz Intel Sys, says it's a great multiple I/O board and recently only 149 dollars on sale at guitar center!!!! > > Hey again, > > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping for one that > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 02:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12324; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: pci sound card? Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:33:20 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <4reojD.A.HAD.TlTU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi also check out the hoontech range. www.hoontech.com omjn > -----Original Message----- > From: glenn [mailto:glenn234@pacbell.net] > Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2001 11:49 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: pci sound card? > > > One friend is very happy using Lexicon Core II with Cubase on a > 600Mhz Intel > Sys, says it's a great multiple I/O board and recently only 149 dollars on > sale at guitar center!!!! > > > > > > Hey again, > > > > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping > for one that > > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any > > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind > of daunting > > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... > > > > Mike > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 09:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29271; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <106.2974034.2882ecd4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:55:48 EDT Subject: Re: pci sound card? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping >> for one that >> > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). > Any >> > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind >> of daunting >> > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... i've been using the motu 2408 system, but am considering switching to rme hammerfall dsp for its low latency/bulletproofiness/etc. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 10:40:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02053; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:43:41 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: RE: pci sound card? In-reply-to: <000001c10cd8$2c286a80$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: feeneymike@yahoo.com Message-id: <000201c10d3c$8ab8cbd0$0382c83f@kinesys12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate to keep referring to this site, but it's very useful ... http://www.samplenet.co.uk/CategoryDefault.asp?Category=Soundcards Plus, Sound on Sound has some great reviews as well in their archives ... http://www.sospubs.co.uk/search/query.asp -----Original Message----- From: Mike Feeney [mailto:feeneymike@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 7:45 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: pci sound card? Hey again, I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping for one that will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 12:46:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10291; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:44:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:44:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-239.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.239] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010715185259.00a97100@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:52:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Junkie G Subject: OT: RE: pci sound card? In-Reply-To: <000201c10d3c$8ab8cbd0$0382c83f@kinesys12> References: <000001c10cd8$2c286a80$553c1118@muncie1.in.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:43 a.m. 15/07/01 -0700, you wrote: consider the echo GINA24 if it's in your price range ... 2analog inputs+2optical(s/pdif - adat switchable)+2rca (s/pdif) 8analog outs 96khz/24bits cheers, Junkie G Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap "cheers from catalonia, which language, people and culture have been harassed by centralists in spain through the years" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 13:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12586; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:08:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:08:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c10d50$82f31cc0$191428d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3B4E00FE.F3016634@cabq.gov> <047301c10ca4$f072a6a0$dcf2aac8@r5f3d1> Subject: Re: Gizmo Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10D58.DB280240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10D58.DB280240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating -thanks. Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julio Moreno=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Gizmo http://hammer.ampage.org/files/Device1-2.PDF ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10D58.DB280240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fascinating -thanks.
 
Gareth
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C10D58.DB280240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 13:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13517; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:30:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:30:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:35:13 -0700 Subject: FS: Roland GP100 and FC200 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm gearing up to list these on eBay, but never having done that before and having had good luck doing business with other members of this list, I figured I'd start here. Roland GP100 and FC200 with manuals and power adapter for the FC200 (the GP100 doesn't need one). These are in good condition. The GP100 has a slight dent in the top but functions just fine. Asking $550 plus shipping. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 14:26:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17072; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c10d5b$45602b40$191428d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <106.2974034.2882ecd4@aol.com> Subject: Re: pci sound card? Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:20:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <8KAiPD.A.kKE.JAeU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a lexicon core 2 which are being blown out dirt cheap at the moment, 4 ins, 8 outs, lightpipe ,spdif, optical, 24bit quality and 6ms latency - ie undetectable. Gareth > >> > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping > >> for one that > >> > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). > > Any > >> > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind > >> of daunting > >> > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 18:00:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27649; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010715215826.44820.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: sp 202 issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107151646.MAA10492@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, thank you all very much for the input. i'm begginning to think i should have it looked at eventually. i would send it in, but i was an ignorant 17 year old when i bought the thing, which was a display unit, and never thought to ask, "hey, where's my warranty card?" anyway, thanks again. take care, phil Ever consider the notion that you may have a failure with your unit? It is possible that the reliability issue is a bad solder connection or failed piece of circuitry. I've been repairing gear for a few decades now and have seen about every possible failure. The majority seem to be a function of a failed solder connection. Be it the connection itself or the component further down the path. Just my two cents... Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit Dave Trenkel wrote: > > >i've never really experienced fidelity issues with the > >202. my issue has been that in trying to create longer > >samples (30 seconds plus) it might record it, but > >eventually play back would fuck up about half way > >through a sample, and continue looping the place where > >it got stuck, plus sampling quantization noise etc. > > For whatever it's worth, I've never had that problem with mine, either > recording to the internal memory or to the smart card. I regularly record > really long samples to the card without any glitch. > > > >now that the price is coming down, it really can't be > >beat for the price. but they seem to be fragile. i > >would suggest that anyone really try one out before > >buying it used. > > Agreed. It's a pretty limited piece of gear, but can be had for cheap and > can be fun if you can live with its limitations. > ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 18:11:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29265; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: pci sound card? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.176daa5c.28836eb1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ce.176daa5c.28836eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit got a frontier dakota in excellent condition i'll let go for a great deal.......i'm upgrading to a hammerfall. email me for more details. brian --part1_ce.176daa5c.28836eb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit got a frontier dakota in excellent condition i'll let go for a great
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brian --part1_ce.176daa5c.28836eb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 18:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30258; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: pci sound card? Yamaha DSP Factory... Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000201c10d3c$8ab8cbd0$0382c83f@kinesys12> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, I've got a Yamaha DSP Factory with Digital I/O ($1295 list), that I'll let go for $300 plus shipping. It's essentially a brand new card... it's on my new dedicated audio computer, so it's only got about 10 hours of time on it! It doesn't sport a MIDI interface so that's why I'd be interested in selling. If you're not familiar with this card... "When installed inside a personal computer, the DS2416 digital mixing card offers the mixing power of the successful Yamaha 02R digital mixer plus 16 tracks of hard disk recording with up to 32-bit resolution. The DSP Factory is perhaps the first comprehensive digital mixing and recording system available, providing full-time 24-channel digital mixing and two of Yamaha's top-quality digital effects processors, without having to rely on the computer's internal processing power. Additionally, the DS2416 card includes an audio-streaming engine which provides 8 tracks of simultaneous recording to, and 16 tracks playback from, the computer's disk drive." The nice thing about this card for you, Mike, is the 8 tracks of simultaneous recording and the fact that the card is DSP-based. The advantage of a DSP-based system is that it offloads processing work from the computer's CPU, which in turn means that the card will run on just about any clunker you care to put it in. Best bet for further info is the Yamaha site, where you'll have to do a search for the DS2416. The brochure and Owner's Manual are worth perusing. For reviews, check out: http://www.computermusic.co.uk/reviews/h2hsoundcards2/ds2416.asp http://www.yamaha.com/proaudio/SHOWCASE/REVIEWS/review23.htm Let me know (preferably offline) if you're interested... Kevin > Hey again, > > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). > Hoping for one that > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... > > Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 19:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32312; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:02:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B52C985.CB81751@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:01:25 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp 202 issues References: <20010715215826.44820.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you feel it's under warranty, don't worry about not having filled out the card. Most states have a law that basically gives you right to all warrantees regardless of whether you registered your product. Purchasing and having proof of that transaction is sufficient. Just bring it to the place you bought it. Mark philip raath wrote: > hey, thank you all very much for the input. i'm > begginning to think i should have it looked at > eventually. i would send it in, but i was an ignorant > 17 year old when i bought the thing, which was a > display unit, and never thought to ask, "hey, where's > my warranty card?" > > anyway, thanks again. > > take care, > > phil > > Ever consider the notion that you may have a failure > with your unit? It > is possible that the reliability issue is a bad solder > connection or > failed piece of circuitry. I've been repairing gear > for a few decades > now and have seen about every possible failure. The > majority seem to be > a function of a failed solder connection. Be it the > connection itself > or > the component further down the path. Just my two > cents... > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > > Dave Trenkel wrote: > > > > >i've never really experienced fidelity issues with > the > > >202. my issue has been that in trying to create > longer > > >samples (30 seconds plus) it might record it, but > > >eventually play back would fuck up about half way > > >through a sample, and continue looping the place > where > > >it got stuck, plus sampling quantization noise etc. > > > > For whatever it's worth, I've never had that problem > with mine, > either > > recording to the internal memory or to the smart > card. I regularly > record > > really long samples to the card without any glitch. > > > > > >now that the price is coming down, it really can't > be > > >beat for the price. but they seem to be fragile. i > > >would suggest that anyone really try one out before > > >buying it used. > > > > Agreed. It's a pretty limited piece of gear, but can > be had for cheap > and > > can be fun if you can live with its limitations. > > > > ===== > "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what > it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. > > It is the knowledge that there can never really be any > peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally > for you too." > -Frederick Buechner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 20:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02875; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:52 -0400 Subject: midsummer marathon-july 17&18 From: David Myers To: ~performance mail Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078072412_29602_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078072412_29602_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit come dock with the UG mothership sitting pretty in the heart of Time Square @ Chashama's "Theater 135" 135 West 42nd St "re-vasion of the micro podz" that's right... we're here... it's clear... so get used to it... 2 sprawling programs of non-stop NY style 'electro-pod' [ Live PA ] performances... [ during the mac expo ] day one... july 17th... "digital vs. analog" day two... july 18th... "analog vs. digital" 30 of NY's finest electronic sound artists --- running live digital, analog, and hybrid solo soundsystems ponder the significance of such categories --- within the UG integrated multi screen realtime livemix video matrix 7 hours per day: 7pm - 2am with space to listen, look, & move & affordable refreshments on site all for a measley 10 $ per nite... ( half price up to 9pm ) so stop by after the javits and purge your teklust... tuesday mark c./ qpe / koosil-ja / christina wheeler / lucas ligeti / tom ritchford / nicolas mazet / keith strand / secret agent gel / daryll hell / urban rhythm / somatic / teledubgnosis / ylyptyk* circuit redux wednesday: charles cohen / o.blaat / handheld soundsystem / karthik swaminathan / kid lucky / sporangia / yusuke yamamoto / matthew ostrowski / david lee myers / quasi sutro / criterion & doilly / geoff gersch / david sparks / brian moran / david linton video krewe: day one: maze = nancy meli walker / vishwanath (owen) bush / benton-C bainbridge day two: anney bonney / kurt ralske / benton-C bainbridge unitygain nyc's floating interactive platform for realtime electronic audio-visual performance - now in it's third year - brought to you by the hausofouch. [ everybody says they're doing it .... but nobody's doing it better... ] http://www.unitygain.org please check the website for late breaking lineup particulars... or call : 212 712 1350 "Every "object" presupposes the continuity of a flow, every flow, the fragmentation of the object. " Giles Deleuze & Felix Guartari --MS_Mac_OE_3078072412_29602_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <unitygain> midsummer marathon-july 17&18



come dock with the  UG mothership
sitting pretty in the heart of  Time Squa= re
@ Chashama's &quo= t;Theater 135" 135  West 42nd St

"re-vasion of the micro po= dz"
that's right...  we're= here...  it's clear...  so get used to it...

2 sprawling progr= ams of non-stop NY style 'electro-pod'  [ Live PA  ] performances...

[ during the mac expo ]

day one... july 17th... "<= I>digital  vs. analog"

day two... july 18th...  &= quot;analog  vs. digital"

30 of NY's finest electronic sound artists ---
running live digital, analog, and hybrid solo soundsystems
ponder the significance of such categories ---

within the UG  integrated multi screen  realtime   livemix video matrix

7 hours per day:   7pm - 2am
with space to listen, look, & move
&  affordable refreshments on site

all  for a measley 10 $ per nite...  ( half price up to 9pm )

so stop by after the javits and purge your tek= lust...





tuesday
mark c./ qpe = / koosil-ja / christina wheeler / lucas ligeti / tom ritchford
/ nicolas mazet / keith strand / secret agent gel / daryll hell
/ urban rhythm / somatic  / teledubgnosis /  ylyptyk*
circuit redux

wednesday:
charles cohen / o.bl= aat / handheld soundsystem / karthik swaminathan
/ kid lucky / sporangia / yusuke yamamoto / matthew ostrowski
/ david lee myers / quasi sutro / criterion & doilly / geoff gersch
/ david sparks  / brian moran  / david linton

video krewe:
day one:
maze =3D nancy meli walker / v= ishwanath (owen) bush /
benton-C bainbridge
day two:
anney bonney / kurt ralske /= benton-C bainbridge

unitygain<= B>  nyc's floating interac= tive platform for realtime electronic audio-visual performance   - now in it's third year <= FONT SIZE=3D"5">  - brought to y= ou by   the hausofouch.






[ everybody says they're doing it ....= but nobody's doing it better... ]






http://www.unitygain.org

please check  the website for late breaking lineup particulars...

or call :   212 712 1350

"Every "object" = presupposes the continuity of a flow, every flow, the fragmentation of the o= bject. "
Giles Deleuze & Felix Guartari










--MS_Mac_OE_3078072412_29602_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 20:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03626; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.210.191] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gear For sale Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:32:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 00:32:47.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[D63ACF20:01C10D8E] Resent-Message-ID: <8hvFYB.A.b4.PZjU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, First I would just like to thank everyone for thier informative responses to my klien question, you helpled alot. I was going to sell all this stuff for inflated prices on ebay but I will give you first shot Here is my gear for sale list: Custom 3ms Shound Shimmer Series built into a 2 space rack. Insane foot control and extra mod(3 curcuit bend) The unmodded pedals would cost $700 and an long wait. Rack for $400....Firm Octave Greek Mandolin 150$ ( a little sratched up but plays fine) Vintage bowl back madolin with case 100$ paid 400$ Hand made mountian Dulcimer with case for 75$ G&l sc 2 guitar no case, has been recently professionally set up with 9's. this was my dedicated noise guitar(microcassetts through pus, smokey amp resting on strings,ect you get the idea) but I replaced with a jerry jones. All yors for 200$, a steal. A few dings on body. Peavey quadraphonic powered mixer. Five Channel Two XLR ins 2 aux sends. Each channel can be sent in varying amount to any of the 4 20watt powered outputs. Also has line outs. 175$ Taking Offers for 198 Second EDP with foot controller mint in boxes with manual 50 Second Edp no Foot controller Digitech PMC 10 footcontroller in box with manual and programmer Roland Spv-355 Guitar Synthesizer Please feel free to make me any offers including anything you might have to trade throw in anything you can thing think of. I have had deals where I was boke down over a couple of 1/4 cables. Thanks, Jeremiah _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 20:44:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04027; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.210.191] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Klein Questions Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:42:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 00:42:39.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[377300E0:01C10D90] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello agian list, All of your help in regards to my klein questions was very informative and appreciated, but I have some more. Some said that I wanted to have a real klein because of its authenticity. I do really like klein but the cost and availibility make me think a copy could easily be had. Are the methods so refined and unique that they cant be copied? How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? I am not being facetious I am really curious. Also dose anyone know much about klein costruction, I went to klien guitars a few months ago and Lorenzo was very nice just a little secretive about a few things (like how many they make a year and things like that) Also I was thinking of getting a stienberger with transtrem until my klein gets here, and to see what I would like changed if I get a copy/hybrid of a stienberger or klien. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 20:51:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04241; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.210.191] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Microphones/feedback Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:49:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 00:49:52.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[390DCFB0:01C10D91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Sorry for all the Guitar posts but this list has a a higher concentration of klein players and innovative guitar players than any guitar based list I know of. I am curious to what brand of microphones are good to mount on guitars. I wonder if they pick up tranducer like guitar sounds or only gernerate feedback? Also my experiences with feedback has always beed kind of frustrating because much of the time the feedback noises I get too much louder than my non feed back noises. Do I just need to get a compressor for more useful feedback? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 21:08:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05790; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.210.191] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Prepared Guitar/ Alternatebridges Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 01:06:36.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FB56D30:01C10D93] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just thinking about putting a site up about prepared electric guitars and was wondering if any one would toss out some suggestions. The ones i have so far are Works in progress of articles about guitar hardware like: Trans Trem Hipshot tuners,benders and bridges Sustainers like Sustainiac, ebow and Smokey amps over your bridge. I also have a running list of good found objects to prepared a guitar with. Hi tensioned metal springs over pick up are cool Pieces of telescopic antennas make really good alternate bridges plus whatever you can add I would really like to build an online resource for experimental musician where I can have a growing encyclopedia for extended techniques. Is there anyone out there who uses alternate bridges who can get a better output/sound of the string played far away from the pickup? Thanks, Jeremaih _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 21:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06480; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010715212743.007ca950@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:27:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: More Klein Questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:42 PM 7/15/01 -0500, George Washington wrote: Are the methods so refined and unique that they cant be >copied? How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body >shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? Well, it's a bit of a cliche, but you get what you pay for. (Sometimes...) Consider the Stratocaster (or the Les Paul, or any commercially successful guitar design); there are lots of "strats" out there that aren't Fenders, and they run the gamut from being horrible cheapo knockoffs to finely crafted boutique instruments, all using the same scale length and body shape, and sometimes purporting to use the same (or 'superior') woods and electronics. It's not the fact that it's a copy that determines the quality of the instrument per se, but if you want something that's going to approach the workmanship of a Klein, it ain't gonna be cheap. If you have a copy built, it's likely either going to be disappointing or very expensive, and if you're going to shell out the bucks for a pricey hand-crafted guitar, you'd probably be better off going with something other than a copy. A luthier skilled enough to make a convincing Klein copy would probably much rather build you something of his own design after discussing with you what features, sound, ergonomics and materials you're looking for. If you know you ultimately REALLY want a Klein, but are balking at the delay involved in having one built, rather than having something built for you to tide you over until you can replace it with the real deal, you could certainly find a quality off-the-shelf guitar that would serve you well as a backup after the delivery of your dream Klein. If you specifically want a headless guitar with trans-trem, a used Steinberger would be 1) infinitely better than a _cheap_ Klein copy and 2) considerably more affordable than a _good_ Klein copy. Why spend more than necessary or go to the trouble of having something custom-built for you if intend to replace it as soon as you can anyway? If your heart is set on a Klein, the sooner you order it the sooner you'll own it... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 21:58:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07355; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:57:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:56:42 EDT Subject: Re: More Klein Questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be.175453ee.2883a3da_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_be.175453ee.2883a3da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/15/2001 7:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time, jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: > How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body > shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? I am not being > facetious I am really curious. Also dose anyone know much about klein > costruction, I went to klien guitars a few months ago and Lorenzo was very > nice just a little secretive about a few things (like how many they make a > year and things like that) > > Make two guitars of the same shape, wood, electronics, and they will not sound exactly the same. Change any of those factors, and they will be further apart. I'm pretty sure that not even all Kleins sound identical, but they all fall within a certain characteristic range. Lorenzo told me that every curve of the shape of that guitar has a purpose. Who am I to dispute that? As for his business: what did you expect? Besides, if he told you all of his secrets, you'd certainly be closer to making one. I saw a Klein-clone on ebay once - it looked really good, nice exotic wood body (not basswood or swamp ash), and according to the text in the auction page, the neck was purchased from Klein. If he had truly found the secret, as it were, then why was he selling the guitar on ebay? Go buy a cheap Steinberger to play during your waiting period, and sell it when your Klein arrives. Your life will change. Kevin --part1_be.175453ee.2883a3da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/15/2001 7:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes:


How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body
shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? I am not being
facetious I am really curious. Also dose anyone know much about klein  
costruction, I went to klien guitars a few months ago and Lorenzo was very
nice just a little secretive about a few things (like how many they make a
year and things like that)



Make two guitars of the same shape, wood, electronics, and they will not
sound exactly the same.  Change any of those factors, and they will be
further apart.  I'm pretty sure that not even all Kleins sound identical, but
they all fall within a certain characteristic range.

Lorenzo told me that every curve of the shape of that guitar has a purpose.  
Who am I to dispute that?  As for his business: what did you expect?   
Besides, if he told you all of his secrets, you'd certainly be closer to
making one.  

I saw a Klein-clone on ebay once - it looked really good, nice exotic wood
body (not basswood or swamp ash), and according to the text in the auction
page, the neck was purchased from Klein.  If he had truly found the secret,
as it were, then why was he selling the guitar on ebay?

Go buy a cheap Steinberger to play during your waiting period, and sell it
when your Klein arrives.  Your life will change.

Kevin
--part1_be.175453ee.2883a3da_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 01:53:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18980; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:41:30 -0700 Subject: Re: pci sound card? Message-ID: <20010715.224131.-202995.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_4534.7399.0b81 From: tony moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_4534.7399.0b81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anybody have any info or a website for this hammerfall pci card? thanks! tony tony-moore@juno.com On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:09:53 EDT ENAT21213@aol.com writes: got a frontier dakota in excellent condition i'll let go for a great deal.......i'm upgrading to a hammerfall. email me for more details. brian ----__JNP_000_4534.7399.0b81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
anybody have any info or a website for this hammerfall pci card?
 
thanks!
 
tony
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:09:53 EDT ENAT21213@aol.com writes:
got a frontier dakota in excellent condition i'll let = go for a=20 great
deal.......i'm upgrading to a hammerfall.
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brian
 
----__JNP_000_4534.7399.0b81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 02:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20426; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:04:35 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: pci sound card? In-reply-to: <20010715.224131.-202995.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010715.224131.-202995.1.tony-moore@juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 PM -0700 7/15/01, tony moore wrote: >anybody have any info or a website for this hammerfall pci card? http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hammer/ -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 02:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20713; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:11:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:11:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:01:33 -0700 Subject: Re: pci sound card? Message-ID: <20010715.230134.-202995.2.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-15,17-31 From: tony moore Resent-Message-ID: <9t3urB.A.cDF.gWoU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey richard, thanks! i meant to talk to you the night of the feste and just never seemed to get around to it. sorry! i loved the track you played that night. do you have any other recordings i could get hold of? if you ever feel like getting together to make music or just hang, i'd love to. take care, tony 818-563-6514 home 818-848-2570 lab tony-moore@juno.com On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:04:35 -0700 Richard Zvonar writes: > At 10:41 PM -0700 7/15/01, tony moore wrote: > >anybody have any info or a website for this hammerfall pci card? > > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hammer/ > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 02:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21048; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:10:27 -0700 Subject: Re: pci sound card? Message-ID: <20010715.231028.-202995.3.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-44 From: tony moore Resent-Message-ID: <44wKy.A.fIF.SfoU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops, meant to send that pmail, sorry! tho' the invite is also extended to any la locals or anyone passing thru.. tony On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:01:33 -0700 tony moore writes: > hey richard, > > thanks! > > i meant to talk to you the night of the feste and just never seemed > to > get around to it. sorry! i loved the track you played that night. do > you > have any other recordings i could get hold of? if you ever feel > like > getting together to make music or just hang, i'd love to. > > take care, > > tony > 818-563-6514 home > 818-848-2570 lab > tony-moore@juno.com > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:04:35 -0700 Richard Zvonar > > writes: > > At 10:41 PM -0700 7/15/01, tony moore wrote: > > >anybody have any info or a website for this hammerfall pci card? > > > > http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hammer/ > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com > > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 04:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26686; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Andy Ewen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:36:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4aZqlC.A.sgG.XgqU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But of course; when you're dealing with them one to one :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] > Sent: 13 July 2001 23:53 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater in 10 days!?!?! > > > At 11:32 AM 7/13/01 -0500, Andy @ Trace Elliot wrote: > >...stupidity... > >...some of the Twats I've had to deal with... > >...random handful of brain cells... > > but i thohgt the custamer was allways saposed to be write (sic) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 07:11:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32502; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c10de7$7fa34ee0$5c0c28d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: jamman uk Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:07:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This might be of interest to UK loopers. Lexicon JamMan Like-New, w/manual, 8 sec of Memory plus foot switch. US power adapter, But can easily use UK adapters. £240 Phone 0113-305-3506 or email nutune@metrowave.co.uk (Leeds) 02/07/01 Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 09:49:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05903; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:47:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.216] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4799B40:01C10DFD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are looping, and we definitely know about dj's... im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out there...especially individually created instruments. i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, didjeridoos, and vocals. so what else is going on out there? shane circuithead_@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 10:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07659; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [143.231.91.141] From: "Ben Winburn" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010708042149.00798b20@mail.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:07:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 14:06:44.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B21C6C0:01C10E00] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The older original red Whammy 1 pedal was analog. the Whammy II (black) was digital, but had a much easier parameter button which is easily manipulated by foot. The newer whammy I reissues are last in line for sound quality. They too are digital, but have a weaker sound than the whammy II. -Benificent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question > OK, I'm curious, people have been particular about these in the past, > would someone mind terribly, going over the differences they're talking > about? Is it a change of features, of sound, or both?... -I'm assuming > it's the later, but was just curious as I may be looking for one soon... > > Smiles, > > Goddess > > At 01:07 AM 7/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > >hi,i have one old one(used for loopin...!)too that bit it a while > >ago-luckily i had a 2nd one but its the 2nd(black) > >version and i would love to get the red one fixed! if you find someone > >please let me know.thanx > > > >stanner > >---------- > >>From: "George Washington" > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Digitech Wh-1 question > >>Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 5:01 PM > > > >>I have an old digitech wh-1 effect pedal that I really > >> > >>liked to use in my looping. Dose anyone know where I can find > >> > >>someone who repairs old effects, especially because these things > >> > >>have become so hard to replace. > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 10:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08004; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [143.231.91.141] From: "Ben Winburn" To: References: Subject: Re: Gear For sale Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:15:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 14:15:17.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD497A70:01C10E01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where is the best place to find a mint EDP at a reasonably affordable price? I have been using a boomerang for a while and was considering buying a second one, but an EDP seems like a better choice. Thanks, -Benificent ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Washington" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Gear For sale > Hello, > > > First I would just like to thank everyone for thier informative > > responses to my klien question, you helpled alot. > > I was going to sell all this stuff for inflated prices on ebay but I will > give you first shot > > Here is my gear for sale list: > > Custom 3ms Shound Shimmer Series built into a 2 space rack. Insane foot > control and extra mod(3 curcuit bend) > The unmodded pedals would cost $700 and an long wait. > Rack for $400....Firm > > Octave Greek Mandolin 150$ ( a little sratched up but plays fine) > > Vintage bowl back madolin with case 100$ paid 400$ > > Hand made mountian Dulcimer with case for 75$ > > G&l sc 2 guitar no case, has been recently professionally set up with 9's. > this was my dedicated noise guitar(microcassetts through pus, smokey amp > resting on strings,ect you get the idea) > but I replaced with a jerry jones. All yors for 200$, a steal. A few dings > on body. > > Peavey quadraphonic powered mixer. Five Channel Two XLR ins 2 aux sends. > Each channel can be sent in varying amount to any of the 4 20watt powered > outputs. Also has line outs. > 175$ > > > > Taking Offers for > > 198 Second EDP with foot controller mint in boxes with manual > > > 50 Second Edp no Foot controller > > Digitech PMC 10 footcontroller in box with manual and programmer > > Roland Spv-355 Guitar Synthesizer > > > > Please feel free to make me any offers including anything you might have to > trade throw in anything you can thing think of. I have had deals where I was > boke down over a couple of 1/4 cables. > > Thanks, > Jeremiah > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 10:37:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08648; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.179] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:34:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 14:34:22.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[67773C10:01C10E04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have cool sounds in them,  most people throw them away when the sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical....  I collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out             Papa Dave

>From: "mike morris"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Unidentified subject!
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000
>
>i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the
>users of
>this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are
>looping, and
>we definitely know about dj's...
>im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out
>there...especially individually created instruments.
>i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers,
>didjeridoos,
>and vocals.
>so what else is going on out there?
> shane circuithead_@hotmail.com
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 11:05:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10613; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:03:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:03:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c10e03$4eb28e60$aaa863d3@mengqi> From: "Anotherbbs" To: References: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:26:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I loop the soft synth sounds ,drum sounds and guitar sounds ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike morris" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: Unidentified subject! > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of > this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are looping, and > we definitely know about dj's... > im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out > there...especially individually created instruments. > i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, didjeridoos, > and vocals. > so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 11:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10801; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:08:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:07:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 15:07:48.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[135B4E50:01C10E09] Resent-Message-ID: <2UfVY.A.hoC.jNwU7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the last 2 years or so my live music has been made entirely through the looping of a turntable, CD player, and cassette player. Also some TV and radio signals. Okay, so you said you know about DJ's. Sorry. I sound a lot different than a DJ though..... Matt Davignon >From: "mike morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of >this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are looping, >and >we definitely know about dj's... >im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out >there...especially individually created instruments. >i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, >didjeridoos, >and vocals. >so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 11:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11782; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.113.98] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!/OT Summer Movies ? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:39:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_5e3_7cdf_735b" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 15:39:12.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[76360520:01C10E0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5e3_7cdf_735b Content-Type: text/html

                                                            

I  loop the sound my cat makes when she is in heat, and can't get out ! It's a 15 second long moan/note. Then when she see's another cat, that she think is male, I record that banshee cry, it is quite haunting... Oh I just downloaded the Jurassic Park 3 Divx off the web... man does it SUCK ! I am really disappointed with this summers "blockbuster" movies. AI sucked, Tomb Raider SUCKED  ! Pootie Tang SUCKED ! I am about to download Cats And Dogs, so I hope it is good.

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------=_NextPart_000_5e3_7cdf_735b Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:37:18 -0700 Received: from [207.228.238.9] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD1C46E1002740042A0CCFE4EE090E180; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:36:21 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08628; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.179] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:34:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 14:34:22.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[67773C10:01C10E04] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have cool sounds in them,  most people throw them away when the sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical....  I collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out             Papa Dave

>From: "mike morris"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Unidentified subject!
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000
>
>i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the
>users of
>this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are
>looping, and
>we definitely know about dj's...
>im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out
>there...especially individually created instruments.
>i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers,
>didjeridoos,
>and vocals.
>so what else is going on out there?
> shane circuithead_@hotmail.com
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>

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------=_NextPart_000_5e3_7cdf_735b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 11:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11812; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:40:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:40:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010716154016.4784.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Ben Winburn wrote: > The older original red Whammy 1 pedal was analog. Analog???!!, an analog pitch shifting device??, Have you ever opened one?, lots of chips in there. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 11:43:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12139; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:42:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:42:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:41:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: pci sound card? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA11959 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike, These comments are based on pretty long-winded research... both are supposed to have very high-quality DAC's for this price point. I've heard consistently good remarks regarding the M-Audio Delta 66 (with or without the Omni I/O mixer interface). 4 tracks in and out... The Delta 66 is about $290 street... The Omni-Studio (which includes the mixer and Delta 66) is about $399 street. You can usually find these for slightly less on eBay. The Creamware Luna II is possibly even nicer but the PCI card only has 2 inputs. There is a proprietary port on the card though which connects to their hardware box that expands the I/O to 8 or 10 inputs and outputs. The PCI card is around $333 street. The additional box to expand i/o is quite a bit more, although I don't remember the exact prices. These don't pop up on eBay nearly as often. Happy shopping! -Miko Biffle >>> feeneymike@yahoo.com 07/14/01 07:45PM >>> Hey again, I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). Hoping for one that will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 12:24:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14519; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:23:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:23:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c10d49$76ce74a0$52ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #225 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:15:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10D27.EFBCD4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10D27.EFBCD4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #225 July 12, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside = Things (MoIT), a Philadelphia area group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus = Schulze, and Ash Ra Tempel. The feature CD at midnight was preempted by a live, in-studio concert by the Ministry of Inside Things. MoIT http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jul PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Chuck van Zyl The Moment of Totality Celestial Mechanics = (Centaur) AirSculpture Settee Quark Soup (Neu = Harmony) Cosmic Hoffmann Shiva Connection Shiva Connection (Heart = and Mind) Paul Nagle Multitude Red Book/Blue Book (Neu = Harmony) Wave World Odyssey Part VII Dimensions (Quantum) 12:00 am MoIT Interview with Chuck van Zyl and Art Cohen. MoIT Live Concert 1:00 am MoIT Live Concert (continued) Gert Emmens Pallas Asteroids (Quantum) Paul Ellis Mysterious Sketches Appears to Vanish (Neu = Harmony) Alan Imberg Urban Autumn A Collection of = Thoughts (none) 2:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on The Ministry = of Inside Things. The feature CD at midnight will be The Ministry of = Inside Things Live at the Philadelphia Museum of Art on the Synkronos label. Bill billfox@fast.net = http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays = at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay = consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, send email to: emusic-wdiy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10D27.EFBCD4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, = and space=20 music show, airs each Thursday
at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown = and=20 Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, = NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;        =20 Show=20 #225           &nb= sp;       =20 July 12, 2001.
 

RECAP:
On this show, I = continued the=20 month-long focus on The Ministry of Inside Things
(MoIT), a = Philadelphia area=20 group influenced by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze,
and Ash Ra = Tempel. =20 The feature CD at midnight was preempted by a live,
in-studio concert = by the=20 Ministry of Inside Things.
 
 

PLAYLIST:
 
ARTIST         &nbs= p;       =20 TRACK           &n= bsp;       =20 ALBUM = (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
11:04 pm
Chuck van=20 Zyl           The = Moment of=20 Totality   Celestial Mechanics=20 (Centaur)
AirSculpture        =    =20 Settee           &= nbsp;      =20 Quark Soup (Neu Harmony)
Cosmic=20 Hoffmann         Shiva=20 Connection         Shiva = Connection=20 (Heart and Mind)
Paul=20 Nagle           &n= bsp; =20 Multitude          &nbs= p;    =20 Red Book/Blue Book (Neu Harmony)
Wave=20 World           &n= bsp; =20 Odyssey Part VII         = Dimensions=20 (Quantum)
 
12:00=20 am
MoIT          &nb= sp;        =20 Interview with Chuck van Zyl and Art=20 Cohen.
MoIT          = ;         =20 Live Concert
 
1:00=20 am
MoIT          &nb= sp;        =20 Live Concert (continued)
Gert=20 Emmens           &= nbsp;=20 Pallas           &= nbsp;      =20 Asteroids (Quantum)
Paul=20 Ellis           &n= bsp; =20 Mysterious Sketches      Appears to Vanish (Neu = Harmony)
Alan=20 Imberg           &= nbsp;=20 Urban=20 Autumn           &= nbsp; A=20 Collection of Thoughts (none)
 
2:00 am
 
 * =3D exerpt
VA =3D = Various Artists=20 (compilation)
 

NEXT SHOW:
On the next = EMUSIC, I'll=20 continue the month-long focus on The Ministry of
Inside Things.  = The=20 feature CD at midnight will be The Ministry of Inside
Things Live at = the=20 Philadelphia Museum of Art on the Synkronos label.
 
Bill        billfox@fast.net   &n= bsp;      =20 http://wdiyfm.org/sched= ule/s_emusic.html
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Host=20 of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show.  Thursdays = at
11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in = Easton=20 and
Phillipsburg.  Email me if you wish to submit music for = airplay=20 consideration.
Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org
Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~bi= llfox
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10D27.EFBCD4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 12:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15841; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [134.69.5.223] From: "steve kim" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FT:Headrush for DL4 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:42:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 16:42:01.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D03C090:01C10E16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i've got an akai headrush in near mint condition, with power adapter and the original box (i think, i'll have to check). i would like to trade this and a some cash for a line6 dl4. if anyone is interested, please let me know. i live in los angeles. steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 12:58:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16417; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:56:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:56:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4EC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: More Klein Questions Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:54:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10E18.00FD9FB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E18.00FD9FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" jeremiah said: Some said that I wanted to have a real klein because of its authenticity. I do really like klein but the cost and availibility make me think a copy could easily be had. Are the methods so refined and unique that they cant be copied? How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? ** well here's the deal about luthiers. they do a lot of trial and error and r&d. the guy doing the knock-off hasn't done that. i guess he could try to reverse-engineer a klein, but i would think that the skill and real understanding of the nuances of the instrument will not be there - - plus who's gonna tear apart a $3k+ guitar? there's another thing about a "real" luthier and one who will do the knock-off: it's not just the type of wood, it's the quality of wood. if a luthier is good, he/she will know how to tell if a lot of wood is good for making instruments, it gets into tap tones and all sort of other stuff that i don't know enough about. the "real" luthier has developed years and years of experience into the instrument that you purchanse. suffice it to say that your knock-off artist may not have the same attention to detail or experience when it comes to this sort of thing. (i have no knowledge of ed roman, etc., so i don't have an axe to grind here.) for a parallel: i've been using fodera basses for something like 16/17 years now. there are a lot of people who try to cop their shit and they can't . . . fodera has spent a lot of time in developing and refining their instruments. they are often on the cutting edge of the craft. they have spent a lot of time with pick-up, wiring, woods and all the cominations thereof. there is a lot of love and dedication that many manufacturers cannot match; they are not making a killing on what they do - - dispite their high prices (and they are high). they are head and shoulders above the rest of the manufacturers out there (imho). they also make far fewer instruments than most of the other makers. they don't mass-produce and they don't license to mass producers. because of these last few things the waiting list is long (and interminable, as i'm waiting for something right now) and the cost is high. but, i know that i'm gonna get the best damn instrument that can be made. if klein is anything like fodera (and i have assumed that they are) these are factors that can be considered versus the knock-off guitar. i bought my first fodera in 1984 or so for $1,800 - - a lot of money back then. i still have it and have gone on to get others . . . i wonder if you'd have the same experience with a knock-off. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E18.00FD9FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: More Klein Questions

jeremiah said:

Some said that I wanted to have a real klein because = of its authenticity. I
do really like klein but the cost and availibility = make me think a copy
could easily be had. Are the methods so refined and = unique that they cant be
copied? How would a guitar that used the same woods, = scale lenght, body
shape and electronics sound any different than a = klien?



** well here's the deal about luthiers. they do a lot = of trial and error and r&d. the guy doing the knock-off hasn't done = that. i guess he could try to reverse-engineer a klein, but i would = think that the skill and real understanding of the nuances of the = instrument will not be there - - plus who's gonna tear apart a $3k+ = guitar?

there's another thing about a "real" = luthier and one who will do the knock-off: it's not just the type of = wood, it's the quality of wood. if a luthier is good, he/she will know = how to tell if a lot of wood is good for making instruments, it gets = into tap tones and all sort of other stuff that i don't know enough = about. the "real" luthier has developed years and years of = experience into the instrument that you purchanse. suffice it to say = that your knock-off artist may not have the same attention to detail or = experience when it comes to this sort of thing. (i have no knowledge of = ed roman, etc., so i don't have an axe to grind here.)

for a parallel:  i've been using fodera basses = for something like 16/17 years now. there are a lot of people who try = to cop their shit and they can't  . . . fodera has spent a lot of = time in developing and refining their instruments. they are often on = the cutting edge of the craft. they have spent a lot of time with = pick-up, wiring, woods and all the cominations thereof. there is a lot = of love and dedication that many manufacturers cannot match; they are = not making a killing on what they do - - dispite their high prices (and = they are high). they are head and shoulders above the rest of the = manufacturers out there (imho). they also make far fewer instruments = than most of the other makers. they don't mass-produce and they don't = license to mass producers. because of these last few things the waiting = list is long (and interminable, as i'm waiting for something right now) = and the cost is high. but, i know that i'm gonna get the best damn = instrument that can be made.

if klein is anything like fodera (and i have assumed = that they are) these are factors that can be considered versus the = knock-off guitar.

i bought my first fodera in 1984 or so for $1,800 - - = a lot of money back then. i still have it and have gone on to get = others . . . i wonder if you'd have the same experience with a = knock-off.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E18.00FD9FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 13:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18376; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010716171508.2394.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010716154016.4784.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To my understanding, chip means 'integrated circuit'. There are both analog and digital 'integrated circuits' (and combinations of analog/digital). I don't know if the red whammy is digital or analog, but you must inspect the 'chips' to see whether they are analog or digital. bret --- Alx wrote: > --- Ben Winburn wrote: > > The older original red Whammy 1 pedal was analog. > > > Analog???!!, an analog pitch shifting device??, Have > you ever opened one?, lots of chips in there. > Alx. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 13:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19691; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:53:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:53:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d501c10e1f$a8ba9620$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:49:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of > this group. I call myself a percussionist. I loop a lot of different percussion things: drums, shakers, marimba, glockenspiel, gongs, triangles, handclaps, cymbals, kalimba, claves, bells, artillery shells, udu, etc. And some non-perc stuff: didjeridu, PVC pipes, Waterphone, wobble board, bird whistles/calls, gopi-yantra. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 13:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20016; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010716175651.25354.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: Digitech Wh-1 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010716171508.2394.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, but you got my point right?, ´cause I have an original Whammy and a friend has a black one, I have opened both of them and BOTH of them have a big DSP CHIP with the IVL logo on it, actually their circuit boards LOOKS the same (which doesn´t mean they´re the same of course), what part inside there is mainly responsible for the pitch shifting process?: the DSP CHIP, one thing is that many people found that the original Whammy SOUNDS more analog than the other versions but that could be ´cause a lower sample rate, actually many people also says that the black one wasn´t manufactured or used the IVL chip but it DOES have the IVL logo printed right outside of the unit and below the input volume trim pot plus the DSP chip that I just mentioned. peace. Alx. --- Bret wrote: > To my understanding, chip means 'integrated > circuit'. There are both > analog and digital 'integrated circuits' (and > combinations of > analog/digital). > > I don't know if the red whammy is digital or analog, > but you must > inspect the 'chips' to see whether they are analog > or digital. > bret > --- Alx wrote: > > --- Ben Winburn wrote: > > > The older original red Whammy 1 pedal was > analog. > > > > > > Analog???!!, an analog pitch shifting device??, > Have > > you ever opened one?, lots of chips in there. > > Alx. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 14:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21689; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:07:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 18:07:59.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EFADF30:01C10E22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lets not forget the Brown and Williamson automated customer service line Dennis! >From: "Dennis Leas" > > > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users >of > > this group. > >I call myself a percussionist. I loop a lot of different percussion >things: >drums, shakers, marimba, glockenspiel, gongs, triangles, handclaps, >cymbals, >kalimba, claves, bells, artillery shells, udu, etc. And some non-perc >stuff: didjeridu, PVC pipes, Waterphone, wobble board, bird whistles/calls, >gopi-yantra. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 14:25:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22518; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e501c10e24$038cb890$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:20:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Lets not forget the Brown and Williamson automated customer service line > Dennis! :D Thanks, Matt! I guess the telephone counts as a wind instrument, eh? Except for that percussive ending! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 14:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23327; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:43:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B533699.BAB448EE@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:04:45 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Unidentified subject! References: <00d501c10e1f$a8ba9620$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of > > this group. > > I call myself a percussionist. I loop a lot of different percussion things: > drums, shakers, marimba, glockenspiel, gongs, triangles, handclaps, cymbals, > kalimba, claves, bells, artillery shells, udu, etc. And some non-perc > stuff: didjeridu, PVC pipes, Waterphone, wobble board, bird whistles/calls, > gopi-yantra. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com hey dennis what's a wobble-board? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:04:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25033; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:02:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:02:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:57:10 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02d401c10e29$1dff6790$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of > this group. i mostly play electric guitar, but since nothing new can be done on the guitar (right steve lawson?), i also play bass, trumpet, congas, keys (mostly clav, some rhodes), sax, superbone, theremin , voice, feedback, noise etc... i think you could probably call kyma an instrument as well. (i think it goes without saying that live looping devices are instruments) and effects, don't forget they can be played like instruments... too new to looping them for a public display just yet, but rick walker kicked my ass a bit (not that i didn't need it) and i promised to have a looping show by june 2002... if a guy loops in his rehearsal space and no-one else hears it is it sound? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25698; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010716121429.00db31c0@benfranklin.uci.edu> X-Sender: jmaston@benfranklin.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:19:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jason Maston Subject: Multivox MX-312 Multi-Echo Docs needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings loopas: I am looking for the service manual for a Multivox MX-312 Multi-Echo. Mine has some mechanical problems (drive shaft for the tape loop only turns periodically, and even with a little boost, eventually slows down to a stop), and I'd like to see if the docs can help me out with this problem. Let me know if you have it and we can work something out. Jason P.S. I have the owner's manual and tape changing instructions for the Multi-Echo. If anyone needs them, let me know I can make copies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26419; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.103.40] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: onlymacs@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Acid Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:38:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2901_145_33ff" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 19:38:29.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[E39FCDF0:01C10E2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2901_145_33ff Content-Type: text/html

I am shocked, that you would ask me such a question. The ACID serial number is tied to my personal copy of ACID, (which is not a wareZ, cracked, or anything... it's bought fair and square and legal !).

It was selling for $99.00, a few weks back... and I am not sure that is still viable. I am sorry I cannot help you. 

----Original Message Follows----
From: "onlymacs onlymacs"
To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com
Subject: Acid
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:38:51 -0000

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Hi, please
Can you give me the ACID pro 3.0 Serial #
 
If you can for it will be great
 
From Italy
CIAO!
------=_NextPart_000_2901_145_33ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26376; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010a01c10e2f$01e940c0$0142f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107161624.MAA14731@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:39:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mike asked: "i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of this group" rick replies: As I proudly told Michael Manring during our recent tour, "I'm fearless about playing a lot of instruments that I don't know how to play in public". I play a lot of invented and 'found' instruments, live: The 'Mikeyphone' was invented and given to me for my birthday by the brilliant Rhode Island musician, Michael Haumesser (Not Noise). It consists of 7 Scottish oatmeal tins, suspended by heavy rubber bands with different levels of water in each (for tuning purposes). When played with the thumbs, lightly, the cans jiggle and the pitch warbles, deliciously. I used them on my latest CD on a piece called 'the Box', which was a commission for the Dr. Shaffer and Mr. Stern Dance Ensemble. I also collect metal, wooden and plastic bowls, plastic dishes & cups, different sized spoons (incredible for ersatz gamelan) and various other objects and use them as faux modal 'marimbas'. On this last mini tour, I tried to take completely different instruments to every show (except for my piece that uses only Dayglo Green Translucent Plastic). I played bowed crotales, malleted upturned chinese 'jhing' cymbals, republic of tea tin 'marimba' glass globes played with jazz brushes so that the pitch bends with every note,alligator-clipped,capoed bass guitar, melodica, sonica (a wierd, rare, touch sensitive diatonic, two octave sine wavish generator), gas stove pipes, corrugate straws (these last two are incredible overtone generators), bluegels (sp?), liquid glass ghatam (a large glass flower vase with water in it that allows radical pitch bending when played like an Udu drum, Martha Stewart brass wastepaper basket (as close to a tabla as the metallic world will ever get ;-), dumbec, 'sound o' god tambourine', hammered mandolin (those ever present plastic tiki martini skewers again), Copper Spitton (another Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to experiment with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried it--------AWESOME!!!!----brass candy dishes (stuck with the thumb and then manipulating the overtones with my mouth and, speaking of mouths: several different extended vocal techniques (warble singing, trill singing,hummm-whistling, overtone singing, gutteral overtone singing,finger trilled singing, faux industrial beatbox,hip hop beat box and various and sundry 'sssssses', shhhhhhhes' and 'chhhhhhhhhes'. What I love about looping is that a seemingly incongruous or random sound or even mistake becomes fascinating, frequently, once it has repeated over and over. loop and out, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27828; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:54:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:54:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: simran@phys-ha2mpkb-16.Eng.Sun.COM Message-ID: <3B53463E.7D73021F@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:53:34 -0700 From: Simran gleason Reply-To: Simran.Gleason@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "mike morris" > I'm interested to know what other instruments are being > looped out there...especially individually created > instruments. I've been having a lot of success looping voice: vocal percussion, throat singing, spoken woid, a couple of sopranos, sometimes a mic passed around the audience (one time I got a recitation of the fifty nifty united states in alphabetical order -- and in rhythm, too). Also some homemade instruments such as a little blue man organ I made out of ABS pipe and toilet gaskets. And then some found instruments: wok lid gongs, the alhambra ghatam (i.e. a blue 5 gallon water cooler jug), bowl of forks. I guess I do have to admit that I've looped some more "traditional" instruments: tablas, bamboo flutes, ABS didgeridoos, a little wooden frog. I've even looped a (gasp) guitar. Simran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:56:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27659; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1216809208==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:54:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1216809208==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" dave, What kind of amp/speaker setup are you using for your portable setup. I was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC system ($380), with tthe subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also considering taking the car stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be rugged enough for outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be pretty rugged. Any details would be appreciated. - Chris >Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, >toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have >cool sounds in them, most people throw them away when the sound >stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I >felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I >bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a >quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical.... I collect >anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it >all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I >have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or >at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out Papa Dave > > > >>From: "mike morris" > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Unidentified subject! > >>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >> > >>i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the > >>users of > >>this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are > >>looping, and > >>we definitely know about dj's... > >>im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out > >>there...especially individually created instruments. > >>i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, > >>didjeridoos, > >>and vocals. > >>so what else is going on out there? > >> shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com --============_-1216809208==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" dave, What kind of amp/speaker setup are you using for your portable setup. I was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC system ($380), with tthe subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also considering taking the car stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be rugged enough for outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be pretty rugged. Any details would be appreciated. - Chris Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have cool sounds in them, most people throw them away when the sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical.... I collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "mike morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the >users of >this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are >looping, and >we definitely know about dj's... >im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out >there...especially individually created instruments. >i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, >didjeridoos, >and vocals. >so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <http://explorer.msn.com --============_-1216809208==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 16:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30863; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017301c10e37$f87fcdc0$0142f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107161942.PAA26852@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #374 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:43:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <48-zID.A.2hH.rG1U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer wrote: "too new to looping them for a public display just yet, but rick walker kicked my ass a bit (not that i didn't need it) and i promised to have a looping show by june 2002..." I would like to point out that I 'kicked Jim's ass' in the most loving and supportive of ways ;-) respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 16:52:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31305; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:51:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:51:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Unidentified subject Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <010a01c10e2f$01e940c0$0142f93f@dnlsh01> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01015; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:22:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [193.89.241.23] From: "Jon Meinild" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:21:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 21:21:27.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[45E40590:01C10E3D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm working with loopers in a trio; we are looping trumpet, vibraphone, guitar, voice, radio, samlings, osciliator, and recordings on minidisc. Check our website (currently down, should be up in a couple of days): http://www.jogujo.com loop on Jon. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 17:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01501; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B535E4F.91A1E244@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:54:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Unidentified subject References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker (loop.pool) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Unidentified subject > > < or > < and > < > And that's why Top 40 radio works so well. funny! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 17:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02318; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010716174742.007d5070@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:47:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5VJ8l.A.4j.MG2U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was a thread called 'Things we loop' or something like that in early 1999 that you might find interesting. Also, the 'Loop Artists of the World' pages have a lot of specifics. Tim (who loops strings, winds, semiconductors, struck objects, toys, found sounds, and anything else...) At 01:46 PM 7/16/01 -0000, Shane wrote: >i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of >this group. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:02:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03841; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010716175802.007c9600@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:58:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8nMpJB.A.g7.4P2U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may ask "What the heck is Mr. Davignon talking about?", and a good question it would be. The answer may be found at , then click on 'music', then click on 'Found Sound', then go all the way to the bottom and select 'I Am Smoking In A Room' by the inimitable Dennis Leas. -t At 11:07 AM 7/16/01 -0700, DJ Malicious M wrote: >Lets not forget the Brown and Williamson automated customer service line >Dennis! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:15:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04267; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:09:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:09:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.72.101.185] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Dj Devious D" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:08:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 22:08:28.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7B38A30:01C10E43] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hey, Mr. Davignon I went to LoopXChange..... my mind has been expanded. 

----Original Message Follows----
From: Tim Nelson
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:58:02 -0400
You may ask "What the heck is Mr. Davignon talking about?", and a good
question it would be.
The answer may be found at , then click on
'music', then click on 'Found Sound', then go all the way to the bottom and
select 'I Am Smoking In A Room' by the inimitable Dennis Leas.
-t
At 11:07 AM 7/16/01 -0700, DJ Malicious M wrote:
>Lets not forget the Brown and Williamson automated customer service line
>Dennis!

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:11:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06874; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Ain't it the truth? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:59:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three men die and go to heaven to be judged. They are met by St. Peter who goes over their records and agrees to let them in. St. Peter turns to the first guy and asks: What was your annual income? The man replies $300,000 a year. St. Peter then asked what his job was and the man replied that he was a doctor. He then turns to the second guy and asks the same question. The man replies that his annual income was $150,000 and that he was a lawyer. He then turns to the third guy and asks what his annual income was. The man replies $7000. St. Peter looks at him and says "What instrument did you play?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:17:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07320; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:06:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:06:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:44:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #374 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <035901c10e40$7fef0070$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200107161942.PAA26852@hemlock.violacea.com> <017301c10e37$f87fcdc0$0142f93f@dnlsh01> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com allright, so the news of my asskicking was somewhat exagerated. i meant it mostly as an "in" joke. everybody here knows rick is not an asskicking kind of guy. (after all, he won't even say "jamman") it was all tough love, baby... > jim palmer wrote: > "too new to looping them for a public display just yet, > but rick walker kicked my ass a bit (not that i didn't need it) > and i promised to have a looping show by june 2002..." > > I would like to point out that I 'kicked Jim's ass' in the most loving and > supportive of ways ;-) > > respectfully, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07329; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:46:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Unidentified subject To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <036101c10e40$bf9e1a30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > < or > < and > < > And that's why Top 40 radio works so well. > LOL! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08100; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c10e4d$355ad360$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:15:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com violin and tambourra here at swifty studios Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://indians.australians.com/meherbaba/ http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: mike morris To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Unidentified subject! > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users of > this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are looping, and > we definitely know about dj's... > im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out > there...especially individually created instruments. > i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, didjeridoos, > and vocals. > so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08411; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:24:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:24:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.9709ad7.2884d179@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:23:37 EDT Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.9709ad7.2884d179_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8a.9709ad7.2884d179_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/01 3:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > if a guy loops in his rehearsal space and no-one else hears it is it sound? > its the same as one hand clapping.....i loop: guitar, synth, glockenspiel, recorder, castanetes (sp?), voice, my grandson, my computer, turntables, radio, harmonica, other loops, toys, cds, t.v., and on and on, nothing is safe.....:)m --part1_8a.9709ad7.2884d179_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/01 3:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com
writes:


if a guy loops in his rehearsal space and no-one else hears it is it sound?


its the same as one hand clapping.....i loop: guitar, synth, glockenspiel,
recorder, castanetes (sp?), voice, my grandson, my computer, turntables,
radio, harmonica, other loops, toys, cds, t.v., and on and on, nothing is
safe.....:)m --part1_8a.9709ad7.2884d179_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:38:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08727; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16.f607916.2884d288@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:28:08 EDT Subject: Re: Unidentified subject To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.f607916.2884d288_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16.f607916.2884d288_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/01 3:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > Copper Spitton > (another > Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to experiment > with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried > rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you want something awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around that gives it that "just right" sound!.....:)m --part1_16.f607916.2884d288_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/01 3:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


Copper Spitton
(another
Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to experiment
with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried
it--------AWESOME!!!!----


rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you want something
awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around that gives it that
"just right" sound!.....:)m --part1_16.f607916.2884d288_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:48:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09516; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4FC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Unidentified subject Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:45:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10E51.6AD35860" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E51.6AD35860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** actually, it's the viscosity that changes the sound. stig Copper Spitton (another Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to experiment with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried it--------AWESOME!!!!---- rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you want something awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around that gives it that "just right" sound!.....:)m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E51.6AD35860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 ** actually, it's the viscosity that changes the sound. 
 
stig


Copper Spitton
(another
Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to experiment
with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried
it--------AWESOME!!!!----


rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you want something
awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around that gives it that
"just right" sound!.....:)m
------_=_NextPart_001_01C10E51.6AD35860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:57:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09889; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:55:47 -0700 Subject: re: looping other instruments... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>i mostly play electric guitar, but since nothing new can be done on the guitar (right steve lawson?)<<< hehe, I guess you've been listening to the interview on KPIG... :o) for the record, I didn't say NOTHING can be done new on guitar, just that for bass, especially exploring the whole area of solo bass, there is little or no set vocabulary, so the playing field is more open. All credit to guys like Andre LaFosse who manage to take the guitar somewhere very new - Andre's music seems to hardly lean at all on the standard guitar vocab, even when he was playing with just a guitar into EDP into amp - no reliance on heavy processing. I really don't have that kind of musical vision, or leaning, so am in awe of people who do. For me, it seems that few people have pursued bass along the path that I'm heading (with a few obvious and notable exceptions - i'm not claiming any degree of trail blazing originality...) so I have fewer cliches to either avoid or subvert. I feel like i'm playing with sound on a much more base level. it doesn't feel like i'm manipulating pre-ordained sounds. I'd love to hear the take of some of the guitarists on list - DT, clearly as far as experimental guitar, you wrote a large chunk of the first chapter - do you feel that it gets harder to say something 'new', or is 'newness' overrated when it's placed ahead of relavence and integrity? does the onward march of technology mean that we will always have new things to do, cos we are physically able to DO more TO sound? am i making sense? as usual, probably not - someone verbose, rescue me! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk BTW - there's currently a little discussion brewing about free improv that some of you may find interesting in my 'ask the pros' forum over at talkbass.com - feel free to sign in and contribute - you'll find it in the 'ask Steve Lawson' section under bass guitar forums... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:59:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12917; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010717005602.71441.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #372 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107160158.VAA07423@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9RJTd.A.aJD.j04U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, nice. thank you. take care, phil < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14564; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010717010859.83402.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107161624.MAA14731@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2ixIcB.A.GjD.sA5U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lately i've been fooling about with playing harmonica into the neck pickup of my epiphone dot, with distortion, at half speed on the boomerang, then reversing and speeding up the loop. once i stack some harmonic drones on top of the initial melody it builds up some rythm from the reverse swelling, and is simply amazing. take care, phil < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14670; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:14:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: tesla questions (feedback mics/gtr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >P.S. Since y'all remember the Gizmo, might anyone know how Steve Hackett got >the kind of sustain(the most graceful and thick, rich and chocolit beautiful >feedback ever?) he used on the song "The Steppes"? could that really have >just been his marshall/Roland space echo/les paul combo or did he have some >kind of other magic box?????? with a filter and a compressor (limiter, really) before the distortion, you get there: little distortion, little attack and a lot of gain to create feedbacks... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17876; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.208] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:06:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 02:06:11.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D065890:01C10E65] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how did you do the brown and williamson automated customer service line? shane >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:07:58 -0700 > >Lets not forget the Brown and Williamson automated customer service line >Dennis! > > >>From: "Dennis Leas" >> >> > i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the users >>of >> > this group. >> >>I call myself a percussionist. I loop a lot of different percussion >>things: >>drums, shakers, marimba, glockenspiel, gongs, triangles, handclaps, >>cymbals, >>kalimba, claves, bells, artillery shells, udu, etc. And some non-perc >>stuff: didjeridu, PVC pipes, Waterphone, wobble board, bird >>whistles/calls, >>gopi-yantra. >> >>Dennis Leas >>------------------- >>dennis@mdbs.com >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18712; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010716203431.0091c290@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:34:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: re: looping other instruments... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve and all, well, I for one, tend to use quite a bit of processing, but also go the complete opposite route as well, and do the minimalist thing. When using alot of dsp, I like to carefully taylor a sound to come as close to what I'm hearing in my head, or feeling in my body as I can. So, I don't really consider it "relying" on the processing, so much as viewing it as another instrument. As far as newness is concerned, I'm only limited by my own imagination, and I consider that, limitless. I think it's a divine gift we're given. -Being able to manifest the spark. I try to be as true to the music, as I can. Whether that takes the form of something traditional, or something else. -Hope this made sense, and thanks so much for the great post! Smiles, Goddess At 12:55 AM 7/17/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>>i mostly play electric guitar, but since nothing new can be done >on the guitar (right steve lawson?)<<< > >hehe, I guess you've been listening to the interview on KPIG... :o) > >for the record, I didn't say NOTHING can be done new on guitar, just that >for bass, especially exploring the whole area of solo bass, there is little >or no set vocabulary, so the playing field is more open. All credit to guys >like Andre LaFosse who manage to take the guitar somewhere very new - >Andre's music seems to hardly lean at all on the standard guitar vocab, even >when he was playing with just a guitar into EDP into amp - no reliance on >heavy processing. I really don't have that kind of musical vision, or >leaning, so am in awe of people who do. For me, it seems that few people >have pursued bass along the path that I'm heading (with a few obvious and >notable exceptions - i'm not claiming any degree of trail blazing >originality...) so I have fewer cliches to either avoid or subvert. I feel >like i'm playing with sound on a much more base level. it doesn't feel like >i'm manipulating pre-ordained sounds. > >I'd love to hear the take of some of the guitarists on list - DT, clearly as >far as experimental guitar, you wrote a large chunk of the first chapter - >do you feel that it gets harder to say something 'new', or is 'newness' >overrated when it's placed ahead of relavence and integrity? does the onward >march of technology mean that we will always have new things to do, cos we >are physically able to DO more TO sound? > >am i making sense? as usual, probably not - someone verbose, rescue me! :o) > >Steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk > >BTW - there's currently a little discussion brewing about free improv that >some of you may find interesting in my 'ask the pros' forum over at >talkbass.com - feel free to sign in and contribute - you'll find it in the >'ask Steve Lawson' section under bass guitar forums... > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 23:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21615; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: pci sound card? Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:15:30 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi also on the subject - Roland has a new product coming out which is a PCI card tied to a digital mixer (not the edirol product) which could be good if you are looking for control surfaces with your ins and outs. I can't remember the name though - something with Studio in it I think. omjn > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mike.Biffle@asml.com] > Sent: Monday, 16 July 2001 11:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; feeneymike@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: pci sound card? > > > Hi Mike, > > These comments are based on pretty long-winded research... both > are supposed to have very high-quality DAC's for this price point. > > I've heard consistently good remarks regarding the M-Audio Delta > 66 (with or without the Omni I/O mixer interface). 4 tracks in > and out... The Delta 66 is about $290 street... The Omni-Studio > (which includes the mixer and Delta 66) is about $399 street. You > can usually find these for slightly less on eBay. > > The Creamware Luna II is possibly even nicer but the PCI card > only has 2 inputs. There is a proprietary port on the card though > which connects to their hardware box that expands the I/O to 8 or > 10 inputs and outputs. The PCI card is around $333 street. The > additional box to expand i/o is quite a bit more, although I > don't remember the exact prices. These don't pop up on eBay > nearly as often. > > Happy shopping! > -Miko Biffle > > >>> feeneymike@yahoo.com 07/14/01 07:45PM >>> > Hey again, > > I'm looking for a PCI sound card for my PC (Win98SE). > Hoping for one that > will allow me to record multiple tracks simultaneously (4 or more). Any > recommendations? There are loads of them out there; it's kind of daunting > to try to pick one out. Thanks in advance... > > Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 00:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24075; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:00:10 -0700 Subject: Re: More Klein Questions From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107161624.MAA14730@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Without getting into the ethics of paying someone to copy the design of a still-operating and struggling small shop, your Klein copy will have squat for re-sale value, even if all the construction details are the same. If you want a Klein, save up. If you want a Trans-trem guitar for cheaper than that, check eBay for a TT Steinberger, they show up regularly. TH ************************** Subject: Re: More Klein Questions In a message dated 07/15/2001 7:43:36 PM Central Daylight Time, jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: How would a guitar that used the same woods, scale lenght, body shape and electronics sound any different than a klien? I am not being facetious I am really curious. Also dose anyone know much about klein costruction, I went to klien guitars a few months ago and Lorenzo was very nice just a little secretive about a few things (like how many they make a year and things like that) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 00:38:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25115; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:31:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200107170431.f6H4Vgb00659@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: re: looping other instruments... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA25072 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for me,microtonality has been the way to find new ways on the guitar, sorry I´m not David Torn :-) At 12:55 a.m. 17/07/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>>i mostly play electric guitar, but since nothing new can be done >on the guitar (right steve lawson?)<<< > >hehe, I guess you've been listening to the interview on KPIG... :o) > >for the record, I didn't say NOTHING can be done new on guitar, just that >for bass, especially exploring the whole area of solo bass, there is little >or no set vocabulary, so the playing field is more open. All credit to guys >like Andre LaFosse who manage to take the guitar somewhere very new - >Andre's music seems to hardly lean at all on the standard guitar vocab, even >when he was playing with just a guitar into EDP into amp - no reliance on >heavy processing. I really don't have that kind of musical vision, or >leaning, so am in awe of people who do. For me, it seems that few people >have pursued bass along the path that I'm heading (with a few obvious and >notable exceptions - i'm not claiming any degree of trail blazing >originality...) so I have fewer cliches to either avoid or subvert. I feel >like i'm playing with sound on a much more base level. it doesn't feel like >i'm manipulating pre-ordained sounds. > >I'd love to hear the take of some of the guitarists on list - DT, clearly as >far as experimental guitar, you wrote a large chunk of the first chapter - >do you feel that it gets harder to say something 'new', or is 'newness' >overrated when it's placed ahead of relavence and integrity? does the onward >march of technology mean that we will always have new things to do, cos we >are physically able to DO more TO sound? > >am i making sense? as usual, probably not - someone verbose, rescue me! :o) > >Steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk > >BTW - there's currently a little discussion brewing about free improv that >some of you may find interesting in my 'ask the pros' forum over at >talkbass.com - feel free to sign in and contribute - you'll find it in the >'ask Steve Lawson' section under bass guitar forums... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 00:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25764; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:51:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200107170450.VAA16867@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:49:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078164997_23687_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078164997_23687_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/01 3:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: if a guy loops in his rehearsal space and no-one else hears it is it sound? no but its noisee as hell --MS_Mac_OE_3078164997_23687_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Unidentified subject!
In a message dated 7/16/01 3:01:41 PM Eastern Da= ylight Time, jimp@pobox.com
writes:


if a guy loops in his rehearsal space and= no-one else hears it is it sound?

no     but its noisee as hell
--MS_Mac_OE_3078164997_23687_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 01:57:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28624; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B53D284.C52A6E63@home.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:52:16 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Whammy References: <200107161624.MAA14730@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Both the original red whammy and the black whammy were digital. After the black whammy IVL no longer had anything to do with the Whammy. Digitech just kind of took the idea and made their own versions. The reason everyone wants the Wh-1 (red) is because it is the original and it performs better sound wise. It has an auto gain circuit (AGC) that increases the level to the pitch recognition algorithm so you can sustain a pitch shifted note longer than the Wh-2 before you got what we like to call the oogly-aaglies (the pitched output kind of going nuts). This happens when the Wh-1 or Wh-2 losses pitch lock because the volume is too low or you are playing more than a single note into it. Even though this has actually been used to great effect in a few guitar solos by Tom Morello from RAGE, it is generaly an undesired artefact. The black Whammy or Wh-2 pretty much has the same pitch shifting as the Wh-` but without the AGC. You can compensate for this by putting some compression before the Wh-2 in your FX chain. The Wh-2 does have full control with your feet including toggle mode which allows you to program two presets and toggle between them...with just your foot. So... the Wh-2 is still a cool pedal but no where near as coveted as the Wh-1. As for the other Whammy pedals....I know nothing. Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 02:17:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30373; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E1E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: true stereo bypass pedal Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:11:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Hey I have an item for sale that might be of interest to someone on the loop list. Basicly it is a stompbox pedal that I had custom made for me a while ago. It is a true stereo bypass pedal. Originally a true bypass2 pedal but modified to be either a true stereo a/b box or to bring a stereo signal in or out of a stereo signal chain. It has stereo inputs, stereo poutputs then 2 sends and returns which can be brought out in and out of the signal chain via one footwitch also has 2 leds. cool pedal if your using stereo gear. I put it on ebay it's item Item # 1447809359 . It's not cheap , my reserve is $160 and I paid more for it for the modifictions. It is a one of a kind pedal. It's also in new condition.Ok just a thought.... Denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 02:18:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30588; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B53D855.79D8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:16:53 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Art X-15 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Aj4MB.A.hdH.Of9U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling an Art X-15 midi controller 100.00 plus shipping o.b.o. Scott kungha@earthlink.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 02:48:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31573; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 02:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c10e8b$b33013c0$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4FC@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:42:45 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C10E94.11B667C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C10E94.11B667C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, the power of Cheese. :) ** actually, it's the viscosity that changes the sound.=20 stig Copper Spitton=20 (another=20 Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting to = experiment=20 with putting water in it and I just dashed to the sink and tried=20 it--------AWESOME!!!!---- rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you want something=20 awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around that gives it = that=20 "just right" sound!.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C10E94.11B667C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, the power of Cheese. :)

 ** actually, it's the viscosity that = changes the=20 sound. 
 
stig


 Copper Spitton
(another=20
Udu-esque drum)--------which reminds me that I've been wanting = to=20 experiment
with putting water in it and I just dashed to the = sink and=20 tried
it--------AWESOME!!!!----


rick.....just wait till you use real spit if you = want=20 something
awesome!.....i think its the bacteria swimming around = that gives=20 it that
"just right" sound!.....:)m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C10E94.11B667C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01226; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006f01c10e90$9f7f8ae0$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Troissoeur" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:18:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10EA1.62EE6A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7kp8i.A.7S.de-U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10EA1.62EE6A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Does anyone of you guys know if it is already possible to buy the "Repeater" from Electrix in The USA, especially in NY. Or in a European country? Please let me know. Pieter Thys info@troissoeur.com ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10EA1.62EE6A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Does anyone of you guys know if it is = already=20 possible to buy
the "Repeater" from Electrix in The = USA, especially=20 in NY.
Or in a European country?
Please let me know.
Pieter Thys
info@troissoeur.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C10EA1.62EE6A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:33:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01495; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c10e91$d90f7440$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Troissoeur" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:26:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C10EA2.9C7FDA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C10EA2.9C7FDA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Does anyone of you guys know if it is already possible to buy the "Repeater" from Electrix in The USA, especially in NY. Or in a European country? Please let me know. Pieter Thys info@troissoeur.com ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C10EA2.9C7FDA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Does anyone of you guys know if it is = already=20 possible to buy
the "Repeater" from Electrix in The = USA, especially=20 in NY.
Or in a European country?
Please let me know.
Pieter Thys
info@troissoeur.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C10EA2.9C7FDA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01899; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 03:43:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fc01c10e93$8ebcbe00$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Troissoeur" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:39:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C10EA4.5223FC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C10EA4.5223FC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm a pro musician from Belgium (Europe) and going to NY within two weeks. Can somebody give me adresses of good music shops in NY who (for shure) will sell "the Repeater" from Electrix. thanks in advance Pieter ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C10EA4.5223FC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I'm a pro musician from Belgium=20 (Europe)
and  going to NY within two=20 weeks.
Can somebody give me adresses of good = music shops=20 in NY
who (for shure) will sell "the = Repeater" from=20 Electrix.
thanks in advance
Pieter
------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C10EA4.5223FC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 04:02:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03682; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4BC@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB4BC@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:01:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT: bass processing Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: OT: bass processing
Won't hurt the Microsynth, just don't expect it to track all that well. The
bass model barely tracks the b string. Still sounds ultra cool, though...
** further off topic . . .
i'm wondering about the eh ms. how good is the fuzz? dave, you say the tracking isn't so good on the b string, does that mean it does on the e? most seem to have a problem on anything lower than a c on the a string.
i've been considering having a low octave/fuzz pedal made by someone. anyone out there interested?
stig

As Patrik mentions:  just double the value of any filtering cap in a guitar model!
(or all caps, since the stabilizing and decoupling ones are always good to be doubled :-)
--


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 04:03:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03681; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003b01c10b13$22527d00$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <200107111427.KAA05814@hemlock.violacea.com> <008701c10a4f$8b955b80$f443f93f@looppool> <003b01c10b13$22527d00$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:01:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: guilty? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0z77GC.A.B5.wB_U7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Jeeze man- the things I still dont know about my EDP- I have to say I am >guilty of using it to about 10% of it's cababilities- Thanks for the info >Kim- Cliff guilty? its possible to do a lot of music with a few functions - as little a shame as just using blues chords throughout a show. The more EDP users I meet, the more I am fascinated how many ways they find to use it and how different styles result from it. Those who understand less about the unit sometimes develop a more personal stile. Those who understand a lot are more versatile and dynamic. I am not sure whether its similar with other looping units :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 07:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12311; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:48:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:48:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c10eb5$74bd0a60$4aa963d3@mengqi> From: "Anotherbbs" To: References: <3B53D855.79D8@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Art X-15 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:41:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2V5qi.A.DAD.8WCV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please give some information about this controller ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott kungha drengsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Art X-15 > I'm selling an Art X-15 midi controller > 100.00 plus shipping o.b.o. > Scott kungha@earthlink.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13931; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: New from Line 6...... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The latest issue of Guitar Player says that Line 6 will be showing rack versions of their modeling stompboxes at NAMM. Echo Pro, Filter Pro, & Modulation Pro. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15347; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:33:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:33:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c10ebc$beae0280$5e43f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20010717010859.83402.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:33:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <47uxmD.A.gvD.pBDV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com philip wrote: "lately i've been fooling about with playing harmonica into the neck pickup of my epiphone dot, with distortion........." Very cool idea philip. May I borrow it sometime at a solo concert? Feel free to say no, but remember, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery ;-) I have been experimenting with using harmonic vowel manipulation and rhythm whilst playing and looping my harmonicas. It ends up sounding very analogue synthish, trancey and yet has that requisite 'hoedown' vibe too). Speaking of that 'hoedown' devil, I just produced a couple of tracks for a very talented acoustic musician, Bruce Abraham where I mixed a lot of vocoded abstract electronica tracks with a heavy cross between acoustic Americana and Celtica. I used fiddle,uillean pipes, national steel and celtic harp tracks. It came out really differently and very cool. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15636; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:33:37 EDT Subject: Re: Microphones/feedback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: >I am curious to what brand of microphones are good to mount on guitars. i like salt-shaker mics, as they've got a freq. response that's limited to a fairly narrow (mid-range) bandwidth. >I wonder if they pick up tranducer like guitar sounds or only gernerate >feedback? i've got one mic mounted *under* the neck pickup --- at very very low volumes, it sounds a bit like an 'acoustic-y' transducer. >Also my experiences with feedback has always beed kind of frustrating >because much of the time the feedback noises I get too much louder than >my non feed back noises. Do I just need to get a compressor for more useful >feedback? i shouldn't think so, but: try it, if ya can. (i regularly use a compressor, for the fdbk stuff). best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:41:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15956; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:40:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:40:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c901c10ebd$d15b1660$5e43f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107171203.IAA14283@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Whammy Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:41:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7RBU7B.A._4D.1IDV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Damon (and anybody else), I have the Wh-1 red whammy and am trying to run both voice and line instruments into it (with an Art tube preamp before it). I'm getting quite a lot of degradation of the sound. Is there any way that you know of to get into these things and replace components with better sounding ones? I love this pedal and use it for all kinds of things. It is especially awesome for faux industrial beatbox noises. I even play a little dayglo green am radio (tuned to the noise in between stations) as a pitch bending noise source to add to my grooves. Looper Max Valentino graciously lent me his morley a/b box so that I could bypass it when I wanted to during our tour but I'd love to have it do what it does with less distortion and degradation of the signal. Are they known for being noisy and dirty? yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 10:00:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19015; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E1F@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:57:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10EC8.60E9AEE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10EC8.60E9AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry, I only speak to semi pro musicians or amateurs.....lol kidding of course....try sam ash..... denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Troissoeur [mailto:info@troissoeur.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi I'm a pro musician from Belgium (Europe) and going to NY within two weeks. Can somebody give me adresses of good music shops in NY who (for shure) will sell "the Repeater" from Electrix. thanks in advance Pieter ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10EC8.60E9AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Sorry,
I only speak to semi pro musicians or amateurs.....lol kidding of course....try sam ash.....
 
denis
denis taaffe
-----Original Message-----
From: Troissoeur [mailto:info@troissoeur.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:

Hi
 
I'm a pro musician from Belgium (Europe)
and  going to NY within two weeks.
Can somebody give me adresses of good music shops in NY
who (for shure) will sell "the Repeater" from Electrix.
thanks in advance
Pieter
------_=_NextPart_001_01C10EC8.60E9AEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 10:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20270; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10E8E.07CA5510" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <009801c10e91$d90f7440$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10E8E.07CA5510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Negative. Not yet. But soon, grasshopper, soon. K -----Original Message----- From: Troissoeur [mailto:info@troissoeur.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi, Does anyone of you guys know if it is already possible to buy the "Repeater" from Electrix in The USA, especially in NY. Or in a European country? Please let me know. Pieter Thys info@troissoeur.com ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10E8E.07CA5510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Negative. Not yet. But soon, grasshopper, = soon.
 
K
-----Original Message-----
From: Troissoeur=20 [mailto:info@troissoeur.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 = 12:27=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20

Hi,
 
Does anyone of you guys know if it is = already=20 possible to buy
the "Repeater" from Electrix in The = USA,=20 especially in NY.
Or in a European = country?
Please let me know.
Pieter Thys
info@troissoeur.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C10E8E.07CA5510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 10:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20639; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:01:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10E8E.5A792C00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00fc01c10e93$8ebcbe00$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10E8E.5A792C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Manny's (if they're still in business), and Sam Ash... K -----Original Message----- From: Troissoeur [mailto:info@troissoeur.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi I'm a pro musician from Belgium (Europe) and going to NY within two weeks. Can somebody give me adresses of good music shops in NY who (for shure) will sell "the Repeater" from Electrix. thanks in advance Pieter ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10E8E.5A792C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try=20 Manny's (if they're still in business), and Sam = Ash...
 
K
-----Original Message-----
From: Troissoeur=20 [mailto:info@troissoeur.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 = 12:39=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20

Hi
 
I'm a pro musician from Belgium=20 (Europe)
and  going to NY within two=20 weeks.
Can somebody give me adresses of good = music shops=20 in NY
who (for shure) will sell "the = Repeater" from=20 Electrix.
thanks in advance
Pieter
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C10E8E.5A792C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:00:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22488; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:59:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:59:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:57:29 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New from Line 6...... In-reply-to: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:59 AM -0700 7/17/01, John Tidwell wrote: >The latest issue of Guitar Player says that Line 6 >will be showing rack versions of their modeling >stompboxes at NAMM. > >Echo Pro, Filter Pro, & Modulation Pro. This is amusing. Last year I had the following e-mail exchange with the Marketing Director at Line6: At 12:28 PM -0800 11/30/00, Richard Zvonar wrote: >For the past year and a half I've been the happy owner of a POD, >with Floor Board. I've recently picked up a Distortion Modeler and >Delay Modeler, and I expect I'll get the Modulation Modeler as well. >They sound great, they're fun, they're easy to use, they're rugged. >My one real complaint is that only three or four presets are >available. This starts me wondering about Line6's next move in the >area of effects modeling. > >The Pod and Bass POD now have their "Pro" equivalents. Will a >similar product be forthcoming for effects modeling? I'd envision a >rack unit much like the POD Pro. Of course there are design issues >related both to front panel layout and to audio I/O. I'd probably be >content with three rotary switches, for effect model selection, four >rotary pots for parameter adjustment (with a three-way switch or >nudge button to select between modules), three pots for individual >effects levels, and a master volume. Or something like that. There >are questions about signal routing (series? parallel?) and mix of >various effects vs. direct signals. Clearly, at some point a >computer editor program would be needed. > >I worked with modular analog systems in the 1970s, with mainframe >computer music systems in the 1980s, and with stacks of effects >processors and matrix mixers ever since, so I'm bound to envision >more signal routing possibilities than your average head-banger. But >if such a product is under development I'd love to put in my two >bits. On the other hand, if it's under development but close to >release I'll trust you all to do you usual fine job, and I'll queue >up to buy my Modeler Pro with the rest of the dudes. At 1:54 PM -0800 11/30/00, Steve DeFuria wrote: >I can't comment on what we may (or may not) have under development, >of course, but it's always good to get feedback about our products. >We value your comments and suggestions. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:13:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24159; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c10ed2$6e9f28d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: "I am smoking in a room" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:09:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9Gf56D.A._4F.9WFV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > how did you do the brown and williamson automated customer service line? > shane Basically, I simulated Alvin Lucier's set-up, only using a digital reverb instead of a real room and a delay line instead of alternating tape recorders. In detail - I used an EDP, a Yamaha SPX-90 reverb, and my trusty mixer. I put the EDP into delay mode with the feedback at zero. The output of the EDP went to an input of the mixer, say channel 1. The AUX1 send on channel 1 (which is prefader) goes to the input of the EDP. This signal path makes the EDP act as a looper even though it is in delay mode. The AUX2 send on channel 1 (also prefader) goes to the input of the SPX-90. The output of the SPX-90 goes in another mixer input, say channel 2. I turned up channel 2's AUX1 send so that the SPX-90's output goes to the EDP input. So the EDP's output is split. It goes to the SPX-90's input and to the EDP's input. The EDP's input is a mix of the EDP's output and the SPX-90's output (and the initial signal, of course). I recorded the telephone message on my minidisc. Then played it once into the EDP. After that, the message loops though the EDP and SPX-90. Each iteration adds more reverb. You've got to kind of "fly" the controls to prevent the feedback from growing out of control. You can do this with any delay line and and effect unit, of course. Though it can get real strange with phase shifters, etc. Hope this is clear! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:33:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25043; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B550307.85B0617F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:31:19 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <00fc01c10e93$8ebcbe00$0f43e0d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your best bet is to to to www.electrixpro.com and see if there is a dealer listing. If there isn't, I'm sure if you go to 51st St. in Manhatten (a little help on the cross street?) you will find about a dozen music stores, including Alex music and Rudy's (where I bought my first real guitar!) They're not known for their "personal" service for smaller customers, but I bet you'll find a Repeater in at least one of the stores. Have a big salty pretzel while you're there. They're terrible, but it will help you with the NYC experience. Mark Troissoeur wrote: > Hi I'm a pro musician from Belgium (Europe)and going to NY within two > weeks.Can somebody give me adresses of good music shops in NYwho (for > shure) will sell "the Repeater" from Electrix.thanks in advancePieter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:43:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25489; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:37:25 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 7.19.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, on Thursday evening starting around 8:15. I'll be performing with Immersion Music Salon, including Walter Wright, Video, Marc Bisson, gtr, and others. $5 suggested donation. Zeitgeist Gallery - 312 Broadway, cr Norfolk, off Central Sq. Cambridge info 617.876.2182 wheelchair accessible. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:45:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25531; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200107171542.LAA15244@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark wrote: > Your best bet is to to to www.electrixpro.com and see if there is a > dealer listing. If there isn't, I'm sure if you go to 51st St. in > Manhatten (a little help on the cross street?) you will find about a > dozen music stores, including Alex music and Rudy's (where I bought my > first real guitar!) They're not known for their "personal" service for > smaller customers, but I bet you'll find a Repeater in at least one of > the stores. Have a big salty pretzel while you're there. They're > terrible, but it will help you with the NYC experience. 48th St! Not 51st St. 48th St and Broadway, just off Times Square. I'd recommend Manny's, Sam Ash is just too big. Not sure if they carry Electrix products but would be surprised if they didn't! NB: if you are here in two weeks, the Repeater just might not be there yet... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 11:47:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25880; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:45:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c10e72$993c21c0$0aacbdcf@laptop> From: "marc roche" To: References: Subject: Re: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:43:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C10E37.EBC91AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C10E37.EBC91AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, Sorry to butt in, but have you checked out the Samson EX-30? I bought = one and it's sweet. Check it out at AMS. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Chovit=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) dave, What kind of amp/speaker setup are you using for your portable setup. = I was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC system ($380), with tthe = subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also considering taking the car = stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be rugged enough = for outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be = pretty rugged. Any details would be appreciated. - Chris Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, = banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed = animals have cool sounds in them, most people throw them away when the = sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling = center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery = holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool = sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical.... = I collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop = it all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and = juggle....I have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at = the Beach or at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "mike morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the >users of >this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are >looping, and >we definitely know about dj's... >im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out >there...especially individually created instruments. >i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, >didjeridoos, >and vocals. >so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C10E37.EBC91AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
Sorry to butt in, but have you checked = out the=20 Samson EX-30?  I bought one and it's sweet.  Check it out at=20 AMS.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris = Chovit=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 = 12:54=20 PM
Subject: battery powered setup = (question=20 for papa dave)

dave,

What kind of amp/speaker setup are you = using for=20 your portable setup. I was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC = system=20 ($380), with tthe subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also = considering taking=20 the car stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be = rugged enough=20 for outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be = pretty=20 rugged. Any details would be appreciated.

- Chris


Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet,=20 mandolin, banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... = many=20 stuffed animals have cool sounds in them, most people throw them = away when=20 the sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears = recycling=20 center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a = battery=20 holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has = cool=20 sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and = magical.... I=20 collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I = loop it=20 all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and = juggle....I have=20 a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or = at=20 Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out Papa=20 Dave



>From: "mike morris"

>Reply-To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

>To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

>Subject: Unidentified = subject!

>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24=20 -0000

>

>i was wondering what kinds of = instruments are=20 being looped by the

>users of

>this group. there = are=20 certainly lots of guitar players that are

>looping,=20 and

>we definitely know about dj's...

>im = interested to=20 know what other instruments are being looped=20 out

>there...especially individually created=20 instruments.

>i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi = marimba),=20 synthesizers,

>didjeridoos,

>and = vocals.

>so=20 what else is going on out there?

> shane=20 = circuithead_@hotmail.com

>

>_________________________= ________________________________________

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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C10E37.EBC91AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 12:09:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27861; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B550B18.8432111C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:05:44 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: References: <200107171542.LAA15244@www.editev.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn! You're right. Shit. It's been so long... What was I thinking of? Every once and a while I miss ol' Manhatten. Then I remember the snow. Mark Tom Ritchford wrote: > Mark wrote: > > > Your best bet is to to to www.electrixpro.com and see if there is a > > dealer listing. If there isn't, I'm sure if you go to 51st St. in > > Manhatten (a little help on the cross street?) you will find about a > > dozen music stores, including Alex music and Rudy's (where I bought my > > first real guitar!) They're not known for their "personal" service for > > smaller customers, but I bet you'll find a Repeater in at least one of > > the stores. Have a big salty pretzel while you're there. They're > > terrible, but it will help you with the NYC experience. > > 48th St! Not 51st St. 48th St and Broadway, just off > Times Square. > > I'd recommend Manny's, Sam Ash is just too big. Not sure if > they carry Electrix products but would be surprised if they > didn't! > > NB: if you are here in two weeks, the Repeater just might > not be there yet... > > /t > > -- > > I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 12:11:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27976; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B5463C0.1B09@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:11:45 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Art X-15 References: <3B53D855.79D8@earthlink.net> <001101c10eb5$74bd0a60$4aa963d3@mengqi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3FE53C.A.a0G.TMGV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anotherbbs wrote: > > please give some information about this controller kungha@earthlink.net Please reply off list :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 12:41:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29210; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c101c10ed2$6e9f28d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <00c101c10ed2$6e9f28d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:38:44 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: "I am smoking in a room" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <31uZrC.A.NHH.8oGV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:09 AM -0500 7/17/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >So the EDP's output is split. It goes to the SPX-90's input and to the >EDP's input. The EDP's input is a mix of the EDP's output and the SPX-90's >output (and the initial signal, of course). >[...] You've got to kind of "fly" the controls to >prevent the feedback from growing out of control. > One of my favorite sounds ever came from a very similar setup, but using two SPX-90's instead of one EDP and one SPX. I'd put both of them into stereo pitch mode, with long but uncorrelated delay times, then "play" the aux sends which cross-connected the SPX's to each other, while stepping the pitch ratios up and down. Although harmonizer feedback can be a DSP cliche, there was something about the crummy SPX algorithms which made this variation unusually musical. I was never able to get quite the same quality out of an H3000 or anything else. The violinist in my old Janus Ensemble would always say "ohhhh, the elves are back...." This sound was featured on a Janus track called Texture Maps, although if anyone has ever heard that I will be so amazed that I'd offer a prize. -Alex Stahl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 12:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29698; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B546EA9.C2443915@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:00:23 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Whammy References: <200107171203.IAA14283@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c901c10ebd$d15b1660$5e43f93f@dnlsh01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" wrote: > Hey Damon (and anybody else), > > I have the Wh-1 red whammy and am trying to run both voice and line > instruments into it (with an Art tube preamp before it). I'm getting quite > a lot of degradation of the sound. > Is there any way that you know of to get into these things and replace > components with better sounding ones? > > I love this pedal and use it for all kinds of things. It is especially > awesome for faux industrial beatbox noises. I even play a little dayglo > green am radio (tuned to the noise in between stations) as a pitch bending > noise source to add to my grooves. > > Looper Max Valentino graciously lent me his morley a/b box so that I could > bypass it when I wanted to during our tour but I'd love to have it do what > it does with less distortion and degradation of the signal. > > Are they known for being noisy and dirty? > > yours, Rick Walker rick, i wouldn't be surprised if the the morley a/b pedal is contributing to the problem. i gave up using one pretty quickly on account of its effect on signal purity/strength...you might try a buffered switcher. i think there was a thread on them here a while ago... good luck! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31782; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c10ee5$b18270e0$7e2df7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New from Line 6...... Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:26:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The latest issue of Guitar Player says that Line 6 > will be showing rack versions of their modeling > stompboxes at NAMM. > > Echo Pro, Filter Pro, & Modulation Pro. OK, what's da scoops on this then? I'm chompin' at the bit to know what the Echo pro is like, and whether or not you can loop the delay sounds....!!!! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32173; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200107171734.NAA22011@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Manhattan X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Damn! You're right. Shit. It's been so long... What was I thinking of? > Every once and a while I miss ol' Manhatten. Then I remember the snow. What snow? I used to live in Ottawa, Canada! There's just enough to make you Christmassy, and very little more... DO come all of ye tonight to Unity Gain... -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32407; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1216730745==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003c01c10e72$993c21c0$0aacbdcf@laptop> References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:42:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1216730745==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does it get pretty loud, and stay clean? Do you know the specs, like power, or the amount of current it draws at nominal levels? How rugged are the speakers? Do you think they could survive desert heat & dust? Thanks, Chris >Hi Chris, > >Sorry to butt in, but have you checked out the Samson EX-30? I bought one >and it's sweet. Check it out at AMS. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Chris Chovit >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:54 PM >Subject: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) > >dave, > >What kind of amp/speaker setup are you using for your portable setup. I >was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC system ($380), with tthe >subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also considering taking the car >stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be rugged enough for >outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be pretty >rugged. Any details would be appreciated. > >- Chris > > > >Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, >toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have >cool sounds in them, most people throw them away when the sound stops....I >found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I felt the >teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I bought it for >50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a quiet >night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical.... I collect anything >that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it all....Anything >that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I have a portable rig >that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or at Burning Man or >the wilderness......Om and Out Papa Dave > > >>From: "mike morris" > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: Unidentified subject! > >>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >> > >>i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the > >>users of > >>this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are > >>looping, and > >>we definitely know about dj's... > >>im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out > >>there...especially individually created instruments. > >>i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, > >>didjeridoos, > >>and vocals. > >>so what else is going on out there? > >> shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com --============_-1216730745==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ArialDoes it get pretty loud, and stay clean? Do you know the specs, like power, or the amount of current it draws at nominal levels? How rugged are the speakers? Do you think they could survive desert heat & dust? Thanks, Chris Hi Chris, =20 ArialSorry to butt in, but have you checked out the Samson EX-30? I bought one and it's sweet. Check it out at AMS. right,left right,left----- Original Message ----- From: <Chris Chovit To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: battery powered setup (question for papa dave) dave, What kind of amp/speaker setup are you using for your portable setup. I was looking at the cambridge Sound Works DC system ($380), with tthe subwoofer in the suitcase....but was also considering taking the car stereo route. I am concerened that the speakers won;t be rugged enough for outdoor use, but if you take your setup to Burning Man, it must be pretty rugged. Any details would be appreciated. - Chris right,right,left,left Mostly guitar for me but also keyboard, drums, trumpet, mandolin, banjo, toys, whistles, fart cussion................... many stuffed animals have cool sounds in them, most people throw them away when the sound stops....I found a cool one yesterday at Grey Bears recycling center... I felt the teddy bear and it had wiring inside and a battery holder...I bought it for 50 cents and put batteries in it....it has cool sounds of a quiet night...sleep sounds...very beautiful and magical.... I collect anything that makes a cool or weird or funny sound and I loop it all....Anything that makes sounds can be used to paint and juggle....I have a portable rig that's all battery powered that I use at the Beach or at Burning Man or the wilderness......Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "mike morris" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unidentified subject! >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:46:24 -0000 > >i was wondering what kinds of instruments are being looped by the >users of >this group. there are certainly lots of guitar players that are >looping, and >we definitely know about dj's... >im interested to know what other instruments are being looped out >there...especially individually created instruments. >i am doing loops with a malletkat(midi marimba), synthesizers, >didjeridoos, >and vocals. >so what else is going on out there? > shane circuithead_@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <http://explorer.msn.com --============_-1216730745==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00984; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:55:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:55:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:51:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Square Pusher in dallas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <042f01c10ee9$1abfc9b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <3.0.5.32.20010716203431.0091c290@mail.earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any dallas loopers wanna get together for to experience, grok, or just listen to squarepusher on sept 1 @ trees? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02861; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:07:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:07:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B547FE3.CE1D77DB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:14:10 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:OT:OT:Re: cd media References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for the OT of this, but if anyone out there is using a roland hard disc recorder (VS880 is what i've got, but i don't think the cd writing aspects of the software has changed since then) with a *roland* que! drive...what cd media have you had the best luck with? so far i've used several, finding maxell's CD-R pro (with the thin case & light blue "swirl" label) to be the most reliable...haven't had any problems with 'em yet (and they're the only ones i can burn consistently at 2x with success)...i'm sooo annoyed because i bought a 30-pack of sony's *1x-16x* CD-R's by mistake and almost every other one gets lunched, even if burn it at 1x....do you all have similar experiences with sony CD-R media? what works best for you? any cd-writing tips? (i've added enough coasters to my collection- now i need some of rick walker's tiki sticks to go with...) please respond off list if you wish. thanks incredibly, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06942; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:50:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Minus finally put out our 2nd CD, Dark Lit. It's not the unbridled free improv of our first disc from 1995, it's more composed, ranging from Krimson-ish odd metred stuff to almost metal to some funk and dub, with 22 seconds of jazz. Still plenty of improvisation, mostly instrumental, lots of guitar noise. Proof that looping and guitars doesn't necessarily have to equal ambient soundscaping:-) Anyway, for more info: http://www.newandimprov.com/minus2.html also, listmember Roberto Battista has been kind enough to list it through the terrific UK-based distributor he runs, Rusty Robot : http://www.rustyrobot.com As always, trade for other listmembers creative works are highly welcomed! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 16:11:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23176; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010717200808.90114.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #377 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107171609.MAA28029@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32360; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:55:44 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: New CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04db01c10f02$dff2ff40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <7QZHUD.A.X4H.cdKV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Minus finally put out our 2nd CD, Dark Lit... been listening to the mp3s today. way cool stuff. totally nipple... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 18:10:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08866; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:36:16 +0100 Subject: Gig spam: WOMAD Reading UK 27 July 2001 From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA08582 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Come and try something a little different - sampled hurdy gurdy, realtime bagpipes, real, honest-to-goodness DL4 looped/treated/Ebowed fretless bass guitar, a human drummer and enormous drum samples! All grinding out trance-influenced experimental/traditional music at the WOMAD Festival at Reading on Friday 27 July - 7.30 - billed as ³Paul James and Mark Hawkins². victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 18:11:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08980; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E2B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New CD Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:09:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! dt - way cool stuff. totally nipple... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 18:23:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10643; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Line6 Expression Pedal Dimensions? Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c10f0e$ffc146e0$292f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <84.18751a6a.287c0e70@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1BO57C.A.3iC.RpLV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am working on building a pedalboard and would like to know the dimensions of the Line6 EX-1 Expression pedal- length, width, height...so I can make a space for it. Thanks for any help! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 23:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04735; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E2B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E2B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:39:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: RE: New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! >dt I'll take it, I'm sure it's better than partially nipple.. > >- >way cool stuff. >totally nipple... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 23:34:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05249; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010718033251.25619.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zZounds is currently offering B-stock Zoom 507 delay pedals for $59.99. These have 4 seconds of delay, and can do looping if you add an external footswitch for punch in/out. Enjoy! later, Scott ===== And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 01:07:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10565; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:07:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Whammy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <046901c10eeb$595dafa0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200107171203.IAA14283@hemlock.violacea.com> <00c901c10ebd$d15b1660$5e43f93f@dnlsh01> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <4HRUm.A.ikC.BlRV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why would you want less distortion and degredation? i think that's a feature. i still use and old ada pitch shifter (pitchtraq) mainly for the way it messes up the signal... > Hey Damon (and anybody else), > > I have the Wh-1 red whammy and am trying to run both voice and line > instruments into it (with an Art tube preamp before it). I'm getting quite > a lot of degradation of the sound. > Is there any way that you know of to get into these things and replace > components with better sounding ones? > > I love this pedal and use it for all kinds of things. It is especially > awesome for faux industrial beatbox noises. I even play a little dayglo > green am radio (tuned to the noise in between stations) as a pitch bending > noise source to add to my grooves. > > Looper Max Valentino graciously lent me his morley a/b box so that I could > bypass it when I wanted to during our tour but I'd love to have it do what > it does with less distortion and degradation of the signal. > > Are they known for being noisy and dirty? > > yours, Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 01:57:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12182; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:55:29 -0700 From: Doug Lawrence Subject: Re: Line6 Expression Pedal Dimensions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000801c10f4e$4731db40$0482c83f@allindlaw> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001101c10f0e$ffc146e0$292f04d1@ij.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3-3/8" W x 8" L x 3-3/4" H (fully depressed) Don't forget to leave space for the cable adapter (about 2" unless you have a right angle adapter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Line6 Expression Pedal Dimensions? > I am working on building a pedalboard and would like to know the > dimensions of the Line6 EX-1 Expression pedal- length, width, > height...so I can make a space for it. Thanks for any help! > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 02:40:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14584; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:38:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:38:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c10f54$29044620$4bf638cb@n> From: "Steven" To: References: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New from Line 6...... Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:37:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wasnt Steve DeFuria with Lexicon I seem to remember his name with Lex Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: New from Line 6...... > At 4:59 AM -0700 7/17/01, John Tidwell wrote: > >The latest issue of Guitar Player says that Line 6 > >will be showing rack versions of their modeling > >stompboxes at NAMM. > > > >Echo Pro, Filter Pro, & Modulation Pro. > > This is amusing. Last year I had the following e-mail exchange with > the Marketing Director at Line6: > > > At 12:28 PM -0800 11/30/00, Richard Zvonar wrote: > >For the past year and a half I've been the happy owner of a POD, > >with Floor Board. I've recently picked up a Distortion Modeler and > >Delay Modeler, and I expect I'll get the Modulation Modeler as well. > >They sound great, they're fun, they're easy to use, they're rugged. > >My one real complaint is that only three or four presets are > >available. This starts me wondering about Line6's next move in the > >area of effects modeling. > > > >The Pod and Bass POD now have their "Pro" equivalents. Will a > >similar product be forthcoming for effects modeling? I'd envision a > >rack unit much like the POD Pro. Of course there are design issues > >related both to front panel layout and to audio I/O. I'd probably be > >content with three rotary switches, for effect model selection, four > >rotary pots for parameter adjustment (with a three-way switch or > >nudge button to select between modules), three pots for individual > >effects levels, and a master volume. Or something like that. There > >are questions about signal routing (series? parallel?) and mix of > >various effects vs. direct signals. Clearly, at some point a > >computer editor program would be needed. > > > >I worked with modular analog systems in the 1970s, with mainframe > >computer music systems in the 1980s, and with stacks of effects > >processors and matrix mixers ever since, so I'm bound to envision > >more signal routing possibilities than your average head-banger. But > >if such a product is under development I'd love to put in my two > >bits. On the other hand, if it's under development but close to > >release I'll trust you all to do you usual fine job, and I'll queue > >up to buy my Modeler Pro with the rest of the dudes. > > At 1:54 PM -0800 11/30/00, Steve DeFuria wrote: > >I can't comment on what we may (or may not) have under development, > >of course, but it's always good to get feedback about our products. > >We value your comments and suggestions. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone > http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 03:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16390; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:51:01 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: New from Line 6...... In-reply-to: <001d01c10f54$29044620$4bf638cb@n> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010717115917.59168.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c10f54$29044620$4bf638cb@n> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:37 PM +1000 7/18/01, Steven wrote: >wasnt Steve DeFuria with Lexicon Yes -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 05:30:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21805; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:26:48 EDT Subject: Re: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually the delay was the 508. i think the 507 was reverb. they were very cool pedals. lots of stuff to tweak. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05691; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010718135747.44909.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Zoom pedals correction To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ack! OK, I screwed up - the 507 is the reverb, the 508 is the delay. As it happens, BOTH are on sale for $59.95, along with other Zoom pedals in that line. sorry, Scott ===== And if it's up to us to bring some balance back Let it not be said it's courage that we lack -Gaia Consort, "Cry Freedom" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:16:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07653; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:15:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:15:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.189] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:14:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 14:14:33.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7AB1C80:01C10F93] Resent-Message-ID: <6I-RZC.A.g2B.rnZV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do you think the Zoom delay pedal would work with keyboard instruments?....instead of a guitar? i know that guitar pedals are usually designed to work more for the frequency range of the instrument...but do you think keyboards would do alright with it as long as you didnt play your low octave notes? shane >From: PJBMHB@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:26:48 EDT > >actually the delay was the 508. i think the 507 was reverb. they were very >cool pedals. lots of stuff to tweak. =-) PJ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07769; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:16:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:16:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:15:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: New CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <058f01c10f94$251cdeb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E2B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com partially nipple would be good. your stuff is totally nipple. totally... > >totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! > >dt > > > I'll take it, I'm sure it's better than partially nipple.. > > > > >- > >way cool stuff. > >totally nipple... > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music > http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org > Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit > "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" > -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:22:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08551; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:20:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:20:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E37@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New CD Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gee thanks for the tip, man I must be getting old, totally nipple never heard that before...lol denis -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New CD >totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! >dt I'll take it, I'm sure it's better than partially nipple.. > >- >way cool stuff. >totally nipple... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:35:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10329; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:34:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:34:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: OT--Tits (was RE: New CD) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E37@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just guessing here, but I am into etymology--could this be the progenitor? Gary PS That would make "thanks for the tip" a real groaner-- G -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G [mailto:dtaaffe@indiana.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:20 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: New CD gee thanks for the tip, man I must be getting old, totally nipple never heard that before...lol denis -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New CD >totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! >dt I'll take it, I'm sure it's better than partially nipple.. > >- >way cool stuff. >totally nipple... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 10:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13174; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:54:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c10f99$0c0a5060$45367ad5@Arnellbtinternet.com> From: "Fred.Arnell" To: References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe me please Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:50:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe me please as I'm on holiday / vacation for a month. I will subscribe again soon. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 11:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16254; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c10f99$dd4b5840$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: OT: Line 6, Roland pedals FS Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 15:08:34.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[83ACC510:01C10F9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling a Line 6 expression pedal and Boss FV50H volume pedal. Both excellent condition, half price (vs. the current Musician's Friend price). Contact me off-list if you're interested. Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 11:21:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17669; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <058f01c10f94$251cdeb0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E2B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> <058f01c10f94$251cdeb0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:34:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: New CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >partially nipple would be good. >your stuff is totally nipple. >totally... Thanks! > > > >> >totally nipple?! what the hell does that mean?! Is that a new slang term?! >> >dt >> >> >> I'll take it, I'm sure it's better than partially nipple.. >> >> > >> >- >> >way cool stuff. >> >totally nipple... >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music >> http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org >> Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit >> "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" >> -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 12:12:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24896; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB51F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "Looper's Delight (E-mail)" Subject: Michael Vatcher with Steuart Liebig and Vinny Golia/so cal, usa Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:08:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10FA3.DC6866C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10FA3.DC6866C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Here's a little e-mail to alert you all to a one-set concert of master > drummer Michael Vatcher. > > Michael Vatcher (born right here in Cali) currently resides in Amsterdam > and gets to these parts VERY infrequently. (in fact, I know that he > occasionally gets to NYC a bit and seems to do the Canadian fests, but > this is the first time I know of him playing in L.A.. - - so come out to > give the homeboy a warm welcome, okay?) > > He has played with some of the most interesting people in the improvised, > avant garde and cutting-edge music communities: Phil Minton, George > Graewe, Michael Moore, Tom Cora, John Zorn, Mischa Mengleborg and Maarten > Alteena to name but a few. > > > Michael will be aided and abetted by Vinny Golia on reeds and Steuart > Liebig on contrabassguitars and electronics - - and *some* loopage. > > > One night only, ONE SET only, > > Admission price not yet set. ($6.00????) > > 8:00-10:00 p.m. > 23 July 2001 > Hollywood Knitting Factory > Alterknit Lounge > 7021 Hollywood Boulevard > Los Angeles, CA > 90028 > > a few review quotes: > > "Here, drummer Vatcher puts on a drum clinic featuring crisp > multi-textured snare drum work. Vatcher fluctuates behind his kit, > employing rimshots, delicate cymbal work, odd meter rhythms but never > deviates from the explosive pulse of Mattos' pivotal bass structure" > "Great was my admiration for the fantastic playing by drummer Michael > Vatcher." > ALGEMEEN DAGBLAD > > "Vatcher broke the melody-lines and watched over the percussive character > of Monk's music." > NIEUWSBLAD VAN HET NOORDEN > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10FA3.DC6866C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Vatcher with Steuart Liebig and Vinny Golia/so cal, = usa

Here's a little e-mail to alert you = all to a one-set concert of master drummer Michael Vatcher.

Michael Vatcher (born right here in = Cali) currently resides in Amsterdam and gets to these parts VERY = infrequently. (in fact, I know that he occasionally gets to NYC a bit = and seems to do the Canadian fests, but this is the first time I know = of him playing in L.A..  - -  so come out to give the homeboy = a warm welcome, okay?)

He has played with some of the most = interesting people in the improvised, avant garde and cutting-edge = music communities: Phil Minton, George Graewe, Michael Moore, Tom Cora, = John Zorn, Mischa Mengleborg and Maarten Alteena to name but a few. =


Michael will be aided and abetted by = Vinny Golia on reeds and Steuart Liebig on contrabassguitars and = electronics - - = and *some* loopage.


One night only, ONE SET only,

Admission price not yet set. = ($6.00????)

8:00-10:00 p.m.
23 July 2001
Hollywood Knitting Factory
Alterknit Lounge
7021 Hollywood Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA
90028

a few review quotes:

"Here, drummer Vatcher puts on a = drum clinic featuring crisp multi-textured snare drum work. Vatcher = fluctuates behind his kit, employing rimshots, delicate cymbal work, = odd meter rhythms but never deviates from the explosive pulse of = Mattos' pivotal bass structure"

"Great was my admiration for the = fantastic playing by drummer Michael Vatcher."
ALGEMEEN DAGBLAD

"Vatcher broke the melody-lines = and watched over the percussive character of Monk's music." =
NIEUWSBLAD VAN HET NOORDEN






------_=_NextPart_001_01C10FA3.DC6866C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 15:41:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18035; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c10fc1$4b3edbc0$8983abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: Subject: pick up trick - OT but need to receive opinions/experiences Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:37:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, I have finally received my new gtr, I have three Bartolini p.u. on it: 2 hum+1 s.c. I have noticed a very strange thing: if i push any string nearer any p.u. i hear a strange "scratch", like the one you can hear when you have pots oxydated. It is very low in volume, but i went checking it because something made me looking for it. I checked with my other gtrs, equipped with bardens or levinsons, but no one of them has this behaviour. I'd like to receive your opinions, maybe off list, if others are not interested in this starnge thing. Thanks in advance for your time. luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 15:54:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19883; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:52:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at 5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? denis denis taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu aliengtr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23281; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:13:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:13:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c10fc5$c5e6dd60$90ae1597@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: Subject: R: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:11:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have used some Zoom pedals with my synths, and (if you are not looking for Total High Sound Quality) they work pretty well. As for the frequency range, your problems could come on the high registers, not on the low ones.Low frequences can really be an issue on Pitch Shifters, not really on delays (but I love the way my Korg A1 pitch shifters and my Boss vf-1 shifters and mono guitar synth go mad with the seventh string on my schecter, and even on my keyboard.....:-)) The bitrate conversion is 32khz, 16bit, so they are a bit limited on the high frequences (it seems that at zoom they calculated that 32 could be enough for guitars). The delay is a killer. I've used it both live and in studio and it just kicks for the price, and at 59 $ it is even better. The only "issue" is that all the Zooms 5xx are mono in - stereo out. It is not the better delay on earth, but in that price range I bet that it is the best (and it is a great noise-machine). Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: mike morris To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds > how do you think the Zoom delay pedal would work with keyboard > instruments?....instead of a guitar? i know that guitar pedals are usually > designed to work more for the frequency range of the instrument...but do you > think keyboards would do alright with it as long as you didnt play your low > octave notes? > shane > > >From: PJBMHB@aol.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Zoom delay pedals at zzounds > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:26:48 EDT > > > >actually the delay was the 508. i think the 507 was reverb. they were very > >cool pedals. lots of stuff to tweak. =-) PJ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25013; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c10fc7$a1751d00$90ae1597@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: R: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:24:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8nj17D.A.DGG.TDfV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Playing outdoors, sonically speaking is slightly different from playing indoors. If you'll need way more volume or a different equalisation can vary, depending on the dimension of the place you're gonna play in. Generally you'll need more power, but if it is in a gallery (or in a small square) you won't have to care that much of the volume difference. What changes most is the sound diffusion. Generally (at least in my experience) I've used way lower volume indoor that I had to use outdoor. Just think at the effect of a Marshall 100 watts head turned to full power in a bar or in a stadium to get the difference. Think that outdoor a volume of 500 or more watts could be low (or in some cases not enough). Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: gig spam and question about playing outdoors > Hello, > > hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tomorrow in Bloomington, In at > 5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. > My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played > indoor gigs? Need more volume? > > denis > denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > aliengtr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26111; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c10fc8$810e04e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:30:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at > 5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. > My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played > indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? Hey Denis! Have fun at that gig. Wish I could be there! Yeah, probably more volume will be necessary, depending on where you are. Things I've noticed outdoors - 1) Hard to read the LEDs on my EDP. More like impossible. 2) Ambient noise can be greater. Especially wind noise in mics and traffic noise. 3) Cool echoes from buildings. 4) A wireless connection can be way cool. Particularly when you stand across the street from your speakers and stuff. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26851; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:37:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:37:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:53:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello, > >hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at >5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. >My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played >indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? > Outdoor acoustics are generally great. I love not having to deal with room reverb. Of course, that's not always the case, I once played an outdoor festival in a park across the street from a large glass and steel building, the whole gig had a 2 second acoustic echo that was really annoying. One thing to keep in mind is that under direct sunlight, most LED and LCD displays are pretty much unreadable. If you depend on being able to read the displays of your effects, synths, etc., make sure you're in some shade. Good luck on the gig! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:44:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27634; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Zoom Delay Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c10fc7$a1751d00$90ae1597@invisible> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_J1VrC.A.-uG.TTfV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just thot everyone should know-- Sam Ash just quoted me $49 on the 508--woo hoo! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27932; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:44:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:44:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AALev123@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.19535bd.28874f05@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:49 EDT Subject: repeater rumor- shipping in next two days? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12b.19535bd.28874f05_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12b.19535bd.28874f05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone else hear this? --part1_12b.19535bd.28874f05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone else hear this? --part1_12b.19535bd.28874f05_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:56:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29407; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c10fca$1c26cd80$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <000801c10fc1$4b3edbc0$8983abd4@LucaFormentini> Subject: Re: pick up trick - OT but need to receive opinions/experiences Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:42:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 20:54:10.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB228760:01C10FCB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, fwiw, i just spent about 3 weeks with a guitar with Bartolinis--1 sc and 2 hb--and didn't notice any problems at all with noise, with or without the active electronics engaged. On the other hand, i wasn't deliberately pushing the strings toward the pickups, except with the trem bar. What kind of guitar is it? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: luca To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: pick up trick - OT but need to receive opinions/experiences > Hi guys, > I have finally received my new gtr, I have three Bartolini p.u. on it: 2 > hum+1 s.c. > I have noticed a very strange thing: if i push any string nearer any p.u. i > hear a strange "scratch", like the one you can hear when you have pots > oxydated. > It is very low in volume, but i went checking it because something made me > looking for it. > I checked with my other gtrs, equipped with bardens or levinsons, but no one > of them has this behaviour. > I'd like to receive your opinions, maybe off list, if others are not > interested in this starnge thing. > Thanks in advance for your time. > luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 17:02:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31486; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B55F9C5.8765EFF0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:10:04 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > >Hello, > > > >hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at > >5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. > >My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played > >indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? > > > > Outdoor acoustics are generally great. I love not having to deal with > room reverb. Of course, that's not always the case, I once played an > outdoor festival in a park across the street from a large glass and > steel building, the whole gig had a 2 second acoustic echo that was > really annoying. > > One thing to keep in mind is that under direct sunlight, most LED and > LCD displays are pretty much unreadable. If you depend on being able > to read the displays of your effects, synths, etc., make sure you're > in some shade. > > Good luck on the gig! > > dave, i guess the challenge then becomes to use it somehow rather than fight it? :-) i'm reminded of rick walker's inspired use of room acoustics on the bass looping tour... i was in navada's valley of fire (impressive wind-sculpted rock formations near vegas) once a long time ago, car camping. someone had an old harmonium going several camsites away. i couldn't rightly make out the notes, but the natural reverberation was enough to elicit hallucinatory bliss (i did say it was a long time ago...). lance g. ps listened to *acidflesh* last night. great sounds! will delve deeper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 17:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31615; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010718210011.4957.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: repeater rumor- shipping in next two days? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12b.19535bd.28874f05@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3jb7V.A.YrH.ejfV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, we've all heard it. suprised it took so long to get to you. (just ribbin' ya) --- AALev123@aol.com wrote: > Anyone else hear this? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 17:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02479; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:25:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <065101c10fd0$3305b1f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've done some playing outside and here's my take: -sound spreads much more easily and this results in much less volume for the listener because you won't have wall reflections reinforcing the sound. monitoring is much more important as well for the same reason. -acoustic wind instruments can seem to disappear. it is quite difficult not to overblow. (probably not an issue for you) -wind can literally carry the sound away. -reflections from nearby buildings can be quite disconcerting especially for percussive sounds. sometimes they return quite loudly. it can be quite difficult to tell how many shots were fired and whether or not they all came from the book depository... -get out of the sun if at all possible. you and your gear will both get very hot in direct sunlight. (drink lots of water and use an umbrella if you don't mind how dorky that might look) i'm sure others will fill in stuff i have forgotten or didn't know... good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: gig spam and question about playing outdoors > Hello, > > hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at > 5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. > My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played > indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? > > denis > denis taaffe > dtaaffe@indiana.edu > aliengtr > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 18:02:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05290; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B55F9C5.8765EFF0@earthlink.net> References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> <3B55F9C5.8765EFF0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:32 -0700 To: baumhaus@earthlink.net From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:10 PM -0700 7/18/2001, lance glover wrote: > >i guess the challenge then becomes to use it somehow rather than fight it? :-) >i'm reminded of rick walker's inspired use of room acoustics on the bass >looping tour... True! I should have pointed out that this was with a rather uptight and over-reahearsed rock band that did tunes with no margin for improvisation. Thankfully, I'm out of that mindspace. Any of my current groups would have naturally incorporated the delay into the general vibe. Actually, it was pretty amazing, the echo was coming back almost as loud, and really clear, as the band. > > >ps listened to *acidflesh* last night. great sounds! will delve deeper. Thanks! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08823; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:06:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:06:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.29ff296.2887703d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:05:33 EDT Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.29ff296.2887703d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_10f.29ff296.2887703d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/01 4:34:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: > ) Cool echoes from buildings. > good stuff here.....this is how pre-electric loopers did it.....:)m --part1_10f.29ff296.2887703d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/01 4:34:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com
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) Cool echoes from buildings.


good stuff here.....this is how pre-electric loopers did it.....:)m --part1_10f.29ff296.2887703d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10053; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: IVL Electrix Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:35:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some folks seemed to be concerned about the future reliability of the Repeater because Electrix is such a small company. I also heard some concern regarding the choice Electrix made to sell off their remaining effects units (financial trouble?). But isn't Electrix just a subdivision of the same company that made Digitech as big as they are? As I understand it, IVL acquired Electrix just prior to the choice to scrap the remaining effects units and make the Repeater their number one priority. This does not sound like a small company in financial trouble. Or maybe I'm rationalizing because I already paid for a unit with a money order... ;) -- TG "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst out in laughter." Longchenpa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 20:16:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12649; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:15:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01c10fef$fd9fe740$cc77580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com snippit - -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Subject: gig spam and question about playing outdoors >Hello, > >hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at >5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. >My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played >indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? > >denis >denis taaffe >dtaaffe@indiana.edu >aliengtr > > > Keep your gear in the shade as long as possible prior to the gig, no matter what the weather, and best of luck. PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 20:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12839; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718171556.020cadb8@mulder.intermag.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.midiwall.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:16:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: IVL Electrix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Goodwin (02:35 PM 07/18/01) wrote: >Some folks seemed to be concerned about the future reliability of the >Repeater because Electrix is such a small company. I also heard some >concern regarding the choice Electrix made to sell off their remaining >effects units (financial trouble?). But isn't Electrix just a subdivision >of the same company that made Digitech as big as they are? As I understand >it, IVL acquired Electrix just prior to the choice to scrap the remaining >effects units and make the Repeater their number one priority. This does >not sound like a small company in financial trouble. Electrix has been a division of IVL for a _long_ time. The decision to focus on Repeater (and future looping products) came fairly recently. My guess is that there is little, if any, cash flow between IVL and Electrix. Electrix is probably operated as a separate business unit and would be responsible for it's own bottom line. From my own experience, this is much like 3Com having business units of Carrier Systems, USR, Palm and other groups. Each of them were responsible for their own bottom line, which (in hindsight) made it easy for 3Com as a holding company to see which unit was ripe for sale or to IPO as a spinoff. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 22:35:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19344; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c10f99$0c0a5060$45367ad5@Arnellbtinternet.com> References: <000501c10f99$0c0a5060$45367ad5@Arnellbtinternet.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:34:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: unsubscribe me please Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Unsubscribe me please as I'm on holiday / vacation for a month. I will >subscribe again soon. > >Thank you. how will you know to subscribe if you dont know how to unsubscribe? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 22:45:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19882; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010719024325.71706.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: unsubscribe me please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The lobsters know how to get in, but they can't get out. It is the nature of this trap. . --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >Unsubscribe me please as I'm on holiday / vacation for a month. I > will > >subscribe again soon. > > > >Thank you. > > how will you know to subscribe if you dont know how to unsubscribe? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 04:07:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04132; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.190] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:03:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 08:03:54.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A7E3A50:01C11029] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com outdoor gigs usually have no enclosures so the sound waves dont have much to reflect off of...like in a club on brick walls,etc. more volume might be an issue for you when you play...as long as you can hear yourself and your loops, let the sound enginneer do the rest. the hardest thing for me about playin outdoor gigs is gettin a good monitor mix were i can hear everyone on the stage. it usually happens that i can only hear the musicians on my side of the stage and the other side is its on little world...but it just depends on the p.a. and stage monitoring. if you have side fills or plenty of monitors you shouldnt have any worries. idont know if that was any help...but what the hell peace shane >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: gig spam and question about playing outdoors >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:52:38 -0500 > >Hello, > >hey I will be playing my first outdoor gig tommorow in Bloomington, In at >5:30pm . I will be playing regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. >My question is, what are the acoustics like outdoors. i have only played >indoor gigs? Need mroe volume? > >denis >denis taaffe >dtaaffe@indiana.edu >aliengtr > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 07:18:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14390; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: IVL Electrix Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, Tim, I'm one of those trying to figure this out. Guitar Center billed the three full rack Electrix specials as closeouts - and a guy at Mars Music told me they were going out of business. And now you're saying they're simply selling out what units they have remaining. None of this computes to me. Why would you quit selling some of your products - and mind you, this is all three of their full rack units - if you weren't in some dire financial trouble? I mean, the R&D is already done and, presumably, paid for. It's time to rake in the profits. But, even if not, you'll never recover those funds if you stop selling the product! Moreover, I saw the Repeater demoed at Winter NAMM with Mo-FX. Seems to me that Repeater and some of the other Electrix products have a synergistic relationship with each other whereby sales of one will lead to sales of the other. If so, why discontinue that other part of the line when it seems reasonable to conclude that sales of those other products will increase in the short-term future? The Repeater was first promised for delivery in October of last year. As everyone knows, it's taken much, much longer to ship than anyone anticipated. Those R&D costs must be significant - we're nearly a year later at this point, and still counting. In the past few months, we've seen the advertising for Repeater kick in, thereby providing some proof that Electrix did, at least, hope to ship the product earlier. But, that's wasted money if you don't have a product to actually sell for many months to come. I just have to think finances are a concern. They'd have to be, I think. So maybe this talk about discontinuing these products is just so much marketing brouhaha so we'd buy some of their stuff. Maybe they'll announce later that, due to incredible demand, they've decided NOT to close out these products after all. I know that the prices were so attractive, and all of your comments on this list so glowing, that I admit that I even now own some Electrix products at this point. And, I expect I'll buy a Repeater too, if and when they ship. Even if Electrix goes down (which I'd hate to see happen), I figure if I get two years of good service from these products, I'll consider it money well spent. We'll see about that. I'd also like to say that, given the likely financial concerns that must exist at Electrix, it's really a credit to them that they haven't shipped the Repeater yet. They deserve to be applauded for waiting until the product is "right." Kevin > Some folks seemed to be concerned about the future reliability of the > Repeater because Electrix is such a small company. I also heard some > concern regarding the choice Electrix made to sell off their remaining > effects units (financial trouble?). But isn't Electrix just a subdivision > of the same company that made Digitech as big as they are? As I > understand > it, IVL acquired Electrix just prior to the choice to scrap the remaining > effects units and make the Repeater their number one priority. This does > not sound like a small company in financial trouble. > > Or maybe I'm rationalizing because I already paid for a unit with a money > order... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 08:12:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17126; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010719121056.98053.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Full Metal Jacket To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently watched "Full Metal Jacket" for about the 100th time & finally paid attention to the end credits to find out who was responsible for the original music. Abigail Mead is the name given in the credits. A little internet research reveals that "Abigail" is in fact Vivian Kubrick, daughter of Stanley Kubrick. I also find that she used a Fairlight Series III sampler, which was the state of the art device in 1987 when the movie was made. I think you can still buy them if you have a spare $60,000 or so. All of which leads to my question......... What the hell kind of sound did she sample & what on earth did she do to it to get "that sound". It sounds like 2 pieces of metal grinding against each other in a melodic way. Let me rephrase that, 2 enormous pieces of metal grinding....in a melodic way. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 08:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18631; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:43:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when playing with my precussionist, we both use big headphones most of the time and dont feel bad about it and it solves a lot of problems. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 09:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21943; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:18:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:18:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c11055$34221d00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010719121056.98053.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Full Metal Jacket, the Martha Stewart Way! Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:17:42 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <7IjXNB.A.NWF._3tV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember reading an article / interview about Suzanne Vega in Musician when Full Metal Jacket came out, that credited her with a lot of the soundtrack's incidental music. On the strength of this I bought the soundtrack the first time I saw it on CD, and I highly recommend it. While there's also other songs like "Wooly Bully", "Hello Vietnam" and "These Boots are Made for Walkin'" there's a lot of the incidental music. I don't have the CD here in the UK with me, bought in 1988, but a look at CDNOW's listing has "Abigail Mead Mead" listed as composer. Of course I can't find the archive of the article-in-question, but as Suzanne Vega was one of the early users of the Fairlight, I'm now wondering whether she helped "Abigail" produce the pieces. My favorite piece on the album is "Leonard", which takes place during the latrine freak-out scene. Reeeeal creepy stuff, lovely textures. I think the "metal scraping" sounds you're talking about are partially in this piece, and given Suzanne Vega's use (at least in the 80s) of "found objects" along with the Fairlight, it could very well be sampled metal scraping with enhancement, possibly via a ring modulation/flanging effect. Try using a manual knife-sharpening tool or stone, and sample the sound of a big knife being brought across it. Record several layers of equal length and slightly similar speeds of knife-scraping. Put the resultant layers together, and flange lightly, remembering not to squelch the hiss involved. This should give you a reasonably metallic scraping sound like you desire. Tune to taste. It's a GOOD thing. :) "John Tidwell" put forth: > > Abigail Mead is the name given in the credits. A > little internet research reveals that "Abigail" is in fact > Vivian Kubrick, daughter of Stanley Kubrick. I also > find that she used a Fairlight Series III sampler, > which was the state of the art device in 1987 when > the movie was made. I think you can still buy them if > you have a spare $60,000 or so. > > All of which leads to my question......... > > What the hell kind of sound did she sample & what on > earth did she do to it to get "that sound". It sounds > like 2 pieces of metal grinding against each other in > a melodic way. Let me rephrase that, 2 enormous pieces > of metal grinding....in a melodic way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:39:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05458; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B571B50.E4C90E93@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:47:40 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> <065101c10fd0$3305b1f0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel wrote: (snip) > Any of my > current groups would have naturally incorporated the delay into the > general vibe. Actually, it was pretty amazing, the echo was coming > back almost as loud, and really clear, as the band. > > > > > > >ps listened to *acidflesh* last night. great sounds! will delve deeper. > > Thanks! > > oh yeah- did i mention it could rain? my only real experience thus far with outdoor playing came in the form of my wedding, which was WAY outdoors in joshua tree. it rained. but actually stopped right on schedule. the only real concern was for a hammered dulcimer: we had an umbrella for the player and his instrument, but we were thinking about sun, not rain...it worked, though. the only real bummer was that one of our percussionists slipped climbing down a rain-soaked 150+ ft. vertical cleft above the wedding site (we had several people cloistered away in the rocks with various bells, gongs, found objects, etc.- we had devised a SAFE route down the backside of the rocks, but i think he was in a hurry to get to the food) with about $500 worth of tibetan bells in his daypack. luckily the bells broke his slide, but a couple of 'em needed repair. HIS nerves were calmed by a bit of bubbly, i think... anyway, sometimes the simplest things (like the weather) can get overlooked in the excitement of planning a novel event. as it's said, be prepared! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:40:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05671; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.231] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Full Metal Jacket Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:36:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 17:36:39.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DC67920:01C11079] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its been a little while since i last saw full metal jacket...which scene are you talkin about with the metal grinding sound? shane >From: John Tidwell >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Full Metal Jacket >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:10:56 -0700 (PDT) > >I recently watched "Full Metal Jacket" for about the >100th time & finally paid attention to the end credits >to find out who was responsible for the original >music. > >Abigail Mead is the name given in the credits. A >little >internet research reveals that "Abigail" is in fact >Vivian Kubrick, daughter of Stanley Kubrick. I also >find that she used a Fairlight Series III sampler, >which was the state of the art device in 1987 when >the movie was made. I think you can still buy them if >you have a spare $60,000 or so. > >All of which leads to my question......... > >What the hell kind of sound did she sample & what on >earth did she do to it to get "that sound". It sounds >like 2 pieces of metal grinding against each other in >a melodic way. Let me rephrase that, 2 enormous pieces >of metal grinding....in a melodic way. > >John > > > > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09510; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:16:41 EDT Subject: EDP sync?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another bug. After Ive set up a stereo loop on 2 EDPs I sometimes like to put the slave into reverse. This works when using the Insert switch for reverse, but if I use the Parameter to P1 and hit Undo method nothing happens except that all the LEDS go out. is this Normal? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09906; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:27:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:27:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.231] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoom Delay Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:26:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 18:26:38.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B50B60:01C11080] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey gary, i looked on sam ash's pages and i couldnt find the listing for the 508. did you see it on the net or did you talk to with them? curious cause im possibly interested in buying one as well thanks shane >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Zoom Delay >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:43:05 -0700 > >Just thot everyone should know-- >Sam Ash just quoted me $49 on the 508--woo hoo! >Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:53:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11326; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB53F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11083.3F356A70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11083.3F356A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" since we've done horror stories about outdoor gigs: one: the 2000big sur experimental music fest, where is was so hot on stage that another bass player's acoustic bass popped apart at the glue seam from a repair to the bass' neck two: playing in genoa, italy, back in about 1985 at an art gallery. we were playing in the patio (some fairly out shit, i might add). the residents of the apartment building behind the patio decided to show their displeasure by throwing small amounts of water at us. (being plugged in, this was a little bit scary.) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11083.3F356A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors

since we've done horror stories about outdoor = gigs:

one: the 2000big sur experimental music fest, where = is was so hot on stage that another bass player's acoustic bass popped = apart at the glue seam from a repair to the bass' neck

two: playing in genoa, italy, back in about 1985 at = an art gallery. we were playing in the patio (some fairly out shit, i = might add). the residents of the apartment building behind the patio = decided to show their displeasure by throwing small amounts of water at = us. (being plugged in, this was a little bit scary.)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C11083.3F356A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 15:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14067; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:23:37 EDT Subject: RE: Question About Playing Outdoors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.178ae6c3.28888db9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d9.178ae6c3.28888db9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the water throwing story reminds me of something that happened to me when i was about 15 - i was playing tenor saxaphone with a trumpet player friend of mine in a park across the street from my apartment in brooklyn -we were just having fun, practicing in the late night summer air - it was perfect, there was no one around and we were positioned in the middle of a large grass circle around which was a bicycle path - i felt a tap on my shoulder from behind - i turned and there was a guy who looked like he had just been released from prison - in (an apparent) drug induced animated state he told me that he wanted to kill me - we had woken him up out of a sound sleep - but that he was not going to do that because he too had played the saxaphone at one time and respected musicians - i expressed my gratitude and told him we would be packing up presently - thankfully this incident has not weakened my enjoyment of playing outside - although no its generally under circumstances where people want to hear what i'm playing - just thought i'd share - harry --part1_d9.178ae6c3.28888db9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the water throwing story reminds me of something that happened to me when i
was about 15 - i was playing tenor saxaphone with a trumpet player friend of
mine in a park across the street from my apartment in brooklyn -we were just
having fun, practicing in the late night summer air - it was perfect, there
was no one around and we were positioned in the middle of a large grass
circle around which was a bicycle path - i felt a tap on my shoulder from
behind - i turned and there was a guy who looked like he had just been
released from prison - in (an apparent) drug induced animated state he told
me that he wanted to kill me - we had woken him up out of a sound sleep - but
that he was not going to do that because he too had played the saxaphone at
one time and respected musicians - i expressed my gratitude and told him we
would be packing up presently - thankfully this incident has not weakened my
enjoyment of playing outside - although no its generally under circumstances
where people want to hear what i'm playing - just thought i'd share - harry --part1_d9.178ae6c3.28888db9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 15:33:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14517; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB543@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Question About Playing Outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:29:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11089.2E36ECC0" Resent-Message-ID: <4BC3rB.A.jiD.3VzV7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11089.2E36ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" in (an apparent) drug induced animated state he told me that he wanted to kill me - we had woken him up out of a sound sleep - but that he was not going to do that because he too had played the saxaphone at one time and respected musicians - ** maaaan . . . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11089.2E36ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
in (an apparent) drug induced animated state he told
me that he wanted to kill me - we had woken him up out of a sound sleep - but
that he was not going to do that because he too had played the saxaphone at
one time and respected musicians -  
 
 
** maaaan .  . .  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C11089.2E36ECC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 15:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15348; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:36:57 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <075201c1108a$2c798fe0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB53F@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >we were > playing in the patio (some fairly out shit, i might add). oooohhhhh... i thought we were talking about playing outside so you were playing "out" outside... help! i'm all inside outside! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 16:52:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21100; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:50:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:52:24 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: APB Tools TH-S X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1216546540==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <95VzDC.A.4GF.Wf0V7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1216546540==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.apbtools.com/TH-S2.html This is a multitrack playback system for Pro Tools: "TH-S implements on the Pro Tools platform FOUR Stereo and TWO 8-track players with show based cuelist and snapshot automation, including individual Master Fader levels on the CM Automation Motor Mix=81 hardware. Additionally the MAC internal CD-ROM, a free definable Master Fader and a MIDI PGM CHG "Player" are controlled by the automation. Also the internal computer audio output is used for comfortable PFL of the player cues. Preloading a small portion of each cue on startup, the whole system behaves like a "hard disk sampler," having 0 seconds latency while triggering any of the max. 800 Stereo and 200 8-track cues of arbitrary length. All cues can be looped individually. " I have been told that support for the Metric Halo Mobile I/O is in the works, so this could be used with a Powerbook. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=3Drz --============_-1216546540==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable APB Tools TH-S
http://www.apbtools.com/TH-S2.html

This is a multitrack playback system for Pro Tools:

"TH-S implements on the Pro Tools platform FOUR Stereo and TWO 8-track players with show based cuelist and snapshot automation, including individual Master Fader levels on the CM Automation Motor Mix=81 hardware. Additionally the MAC internal CD-ROM, a free definable Master Fader and a MIDI PGM CHG "Player" are controlled by the automation. Also the internal computer audio output is used for comfortable PFL of the player cues. Preloading a small portion of each cue on startup, the whole system behaves like a "hard disk sampler," having 0 seconds latency while triggering any of the max. 800 Stereo and 200 8-track cues of arbitrary length. All cues can be looped individually. "

I have been told that support for the Metric Halo Mobile I/O is in the works, so this could be used with a Powerbook.

--

______________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone
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--============_-1216546540==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 16:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21586; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB545@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:14:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1108F.75B21F60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1108F.75B21F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" oooohhhhh... i thought we were talking about playing outside so you were playing "out" outside... help! i'm all inside outside! ** that's the yardbirds tune, right? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1108F.75B21F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors

oooohhhhh...
i thought we were talking about playing outside

so you were playing "out" outside...

help! i'm all inside outside!

** that's the yardbirds tune, right?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1108F.75B21F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 18:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31497; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:18:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:18:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:20:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01071918205800.01804@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Dave Trenkel wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is that under direct sunlight, most LED and > LCD displays are pretty much unreadable. If you depend on being able > to read the displays of your effects, synths, etc., make sure you're > in some shade. Also, while we're on the sunlight issue, keep in mind temperature. Electronics have a hard time with heat as resistance in a circuit increases as temperature does. The hot summer sun beating down on the metal case of one gizmo can be bad enough, but the sun beating down on the case of a rack full of gizmos can be a nightmare. So, seek shade, invest in big fans (on a different power circuit than the rack, of course), or better yet do both. One other thing I've had problems with in the past is that if you're playing on the ground instead of a stage ground loops can become a real problem. They manifest as a hum that just won't go away and gets worse with volume. So, if this is an issue, elevate your pedal board, amp, rack off the ground with an insulating material; i.e. wood blocks, wooden chairs work well for amps. I actually saw a guitarist about to toss his amp once because of a mysterious hum. His drummer strolled over and lifted his distortion pedal off the grass and viola. > > Good luck on the gig! I'll second this. I love playing outdoors; birds singing along, trees overhead, blue sky, cool breezes, etc. Just don't let a hot rack or humming pedal ruin it for you. Have fun, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 19:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06268; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c110ac$f37f2560$4d944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6PJ9pC.A.-gB.2B3V7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd wrote: >I actually saw a guitarist about to toss his amp once because of a >mysterious hum. His drummer strolled over and lifted his distortion pedal >off the grass and viola. He had a distortion pedal on his viola? Was it John Cale, by any chance? :-) >I'll second this. I love playing outdoors; birds singing along, trees >overhead, blue sky, cool breezes, etc. I agree, but I'll never forget my first outdoor gig with birds singing in the trees overhead -- one of them decided that I was as good a place as any to relieve himself . . . :-( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 19:56:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07191; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:54:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: gig spam and question about playing outdoors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <079d01c110ae$15ff6ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB545@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > oooohhhhh... > i thought we were talking about playing outside > > so you were playing "out" outside... > > help! i'm all inside outside! > > ** that's the yardbirds tune, right? > don't know that one... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 20:38:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11775; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:37:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:37:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB54C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:35:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C110B3.E85FD6F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C110B3.E85FD6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > so you were playing "out" outside... > > help! i'm all inside outside! > > ** that's the yardbirds tune, right? > don't know that one... ** joke based on the yardbirds tune over under sideways down ------_=_NextPart_001_01C110B3.E85FD6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors

>
> so you were playing "out" outside...
>
> help! i'm all inside outside!
>
> ** that's the yardbirds tune, right?
>

don't know that one...

** joke based on the yardbirds tune over under sideways down

------_=_NextPart_001_01C110B3.E85FD6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 23:28:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23147; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:26:18 EDT Subject: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.17e3e909.2888feda_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.17e3e909.2888feda_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in my mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, 8:00 o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where was the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in the sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you all who can i share it with.....:(m --part1_29.17e3e909.2888feda_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED
GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the
speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in my
mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok
(total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a
great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, 8:00
o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get
worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration
totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where was
the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one
wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in the
sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no
control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being
adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes
up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the
WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and
rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact,
this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the
tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you
all who can i share it with.....:(m --part1_29.17e3e909.2888feda_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 23:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24198; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:52:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:52:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.ea40d97.28890498@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:50:48 EDT Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3e.ea40d97.28890498_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3e.ea40d97.28890498_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You poor guy! Your impassioned post had me cringing for you. -sounds like you were a little hard on yourself though....the gig may have sounded like crap to you but it sounds like you made a favorable impression on at least a couple members of the audience (and that's always a good thing). Stay positive and keep rockin'...or looping as it were. This reminds me of the thread on here a while back that I found fun on 'nightmare gigs' and how individuals survived them. -happens to everybody! --part1_3e.ea40d97.28890498_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You poor guy!  Your impassioned post had me cringing for you.  -sounds like
you were a little hard on yourself though....the gig may have sounded like
crap to you but it sounds like you made a favorable impression on at least a
couple members of the audience (and that's always a good thing).  Stay
positive and keep rockin'...or looping as it were.
This reminds me of the thread on here a while back that I found fun on
'nightmare gigs' and how individuals survived them.  -happens to everybody! --part1_3e.ea40d97.28890498_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 01:14:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28981; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:11:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:11:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c110d4$c77db4e0$b8456f40@oemcomputer> From: "petr" To: Subject: copyright issue for distorting loops Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:30:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDRemoteIP: 64.111.69.184 X-Return-Path: petr@tryi.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to loop two or three sentences from an older movie (The Bride of Frankenstein) and put it on a song on my CD. Can anyone advice to what degree I need to manipulate, twist, distort or whatever the sample, so I don't get in trouble with copyright issues? I know there used to be a lot of talking at LD on the copyright subjects but I cannot locate what I need in the archives. thanks _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry * guitar looping * commodeon * percussion web site: www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 01:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28975; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:11:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:11:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB53F@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB53F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:05:08 -0500 To: "Liebig, Steuart A." , "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Eric Leonardson Subject: RE: gig spam and question about playing outdoors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:47 PM -0400 7/19/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >since we've done horror stories about outdoor gigs: > >one: the 2000big sur experimental music fest, where is was so hot on >stage that another bass player's acoustic bass popped apart at the >glue seam from a repair to the bass' neck A similar thing happened on a hot and humid Chicago evening when I was playing with my friend, Bob Marsh on cello. Except we were indoors. Eric --------------------- Upcoming Performances, Broadcasts, Etc.: Friday, July 20, 10:00 pm, duo performance with Carol Genetti (voice) and Nolime Tangere (Jonathan Chen (violin, PVC, electronics), Jen Walshe (voice)), at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Friday, July 27, 9:00 pm, Dead CEO presents: Eric Leonardson, solo (invented instruments, electronics); Carol Genetti (voice) and Fred Lonberg-Holm (cello), duo; Birdsong (John Corbett (guitar), Terri Kapsalis (violin), Liz Payne (bass)), at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (773) 728-5010 Tuesday, July 31, 8:00 pm, trio with Hal Rammel (invented instruments), Eric Leonardson (invented instruments), Michael Zerang (percussion) at the Candlestick Maker, 4432 N. Kedzie, (773) 463-0158. August 19, 8 pm: Cindy Bernhard/Joseph Hammer, Eric Leonardson, Greg Headley in the Beyond Music Festival, running Aug. 18 - 23, 2001 at: Beyond Baroque Literary/Arts Center, 681 Venice Blvd., Venice, CA 90291. (310) 822-3006 New on Compact Disc: Winter Construction (dceo003) A compilation of Chicago artists with accompanying zine... available on-line at Dead CEO: http://www.deadceo.com/ Visit the High Zero 2000 documentation web site, "images, sound and video samples from...the High Zero festival of experimental improvised music...": http://www.highzero.org/festival_documentation/highzero2000documentati on/index.htm Eric Leonardson web pages: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 01:35:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30152; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:34:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:34:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.45792388916016.234.777269124985@1.00002455500885> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:15:56 -0400 To: Ken From: Ken Subject: NYCgigs:Ken'sLastEverRadioExtravaganza Saturday&Thursday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <- 2 free shows in NYC, Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza Sat. 7/21 * 6-8pm & 10:30-11:30pm * Regurgitation 1.5, Jersey City Thurs. 7/26 * 10:30-11pm * OpenMouse, Chinatown -> Spontaneous unplanned stress-releasing improvised electronic sonic experimental manipulation game. Repeat if necessary. --1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1--1 Show #251: Saturday 7/21 6pm-late Regurgitation 1.5 @ Arts Center on 1st (aka Cigar Factory, aka The 111 Building), Jersey City I'll do two sets: 6-8pm, and 10:30-11:30pm. No idea what will happen. About event: Various musical, verbal, and spinning folks, entertaining you for free all night, in a huge and impressive warehouse in a mysterious section of Jersey City. Related to Regurgitation Show (3/24/01, show #245), but supposedly much more mellow. Other performers: Jerm Pollet * Marjana * Mike Ill * Ransom Corp * The Vigilante Cowboys Spoken word artists: Florence Wetzel * Ken Landherr * Rivka * Yarema DJ's: Deep Dan Aguirre * Dave Todd * kleverVice * NakedSlice * Pervis * Sneeky Pete Other event info: http://www.bohemianlife.com/regurgitationnew.html # Directions to 111 1st St.: Take *Journal Square* Path train on 6th Ave. OR *Newark* Path train @ World Trade Get off at Grove St. stop Walk north on Grove St. (i.e. turn right onto Grove St.) until intersection of 1st St. & Grove. Make right and walk on 1st St. until intersection of 1st & Warren St. Make right on Warren. Go half a block, cross street. Entrance is marked 111. Then guess. --2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2--2 Show #252: Thursday 7/26 8pm-midnight OpenMouse @ Fun, Chinatown I'll do one set: 10:30-11pm. Perhaps based on sounds of other performers. How would I know? About event: Rhizome & SoundLab's live audio/video/new media immersive improvisational collaborative electronic event, surrounding your senses for free with whatever the random crew of the month comes up with. Other performers: Video artists: Azhaday Asiadai, Jason Smith (OcNoMa), Laura Schwamb, Tim Jaeger, S. Mayo, Deric Carner, Geoff Seelinger & Matt Frost DJ's: DJ Dwayne and Singe and Verb Other live electronic music by: Val and Ocular Noise Machine # Directions to 130 Madison St.: F to East Broadway (or buses: M15, M22, and M9 all go right there) Madison St. is just a block or so towards the water Fun is directly under the Manhattan Bridge overpass, between Pike & Market --?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--?--? * Prefer to stay home? Go to Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza audio page: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/audio/ Pick a show to listen to and pretend it's live. * Hate the internet? Email me about getting a CD. * Don't like sound? Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ kenzo@free-music.com Consider individuals before economics. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 01:36:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30157; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The other dt--outside inDiana Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:24:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4E3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6vBCoB.A.wRH.CC8V7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So Denis, did your gig go well? Any horror stories to share with the class? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 02:42:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00870; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:09:15 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN In-reply-to: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MS_Mac_OE_3078432555_3084399_MIME_Part User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <4ocwXD.A.JN.3H9V7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078432555_3084399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Didn't sound goofy at ALL to me, more like a frickin awesom heads up! Thanks, Glenn on 7/19/01 8:26 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: ..sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you all who can i share it with.....:(m --MS_Mac_OE_3078432555_3084399_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Didn't sound goofy at ALL to me, more like a frickin awesom heads up!

Thanks,
Glenn

on 7/19/01 8:26 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

..sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant shar= e this with you
all who can i share it with.....:(m

--MS_Mac_OE_3078432555_3084399_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 02:58:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01543; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c110e9$22040e00$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:56:37 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C110F1.8071F800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C110F1.8071F800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yikes! Lumpy Gravy was as I was told notorious for this happening: Sound Man = works briefly with you on your setup and even agrees to record to your = DAT during the show, all sounds fine during sound check, get back for = the gig and it all sounds different, no time to check with the guy who's = not there, and noone records the gig as well. Phooey on that place, = even if it is named after a Zappa album, and presented itself as a nice = venue. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live! Nemoguitt@aol.com put forth: just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED=20 GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the=20 speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them = in my=20 mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded = ok=20 (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a = great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, = 8:00=20 o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to = get=20 worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his = configuration=20 totally freaked me, things were not where they should have = been.....where was=20 the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no = one=20 wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig = in the=20 sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i = had no=20 control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being=20 adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone = comes=20 up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully = the=20 WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and = rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in = fact,=20 this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help = the=20 tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with = you=20 all who can i share it with.....:(m=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C110F1.8071F800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yikes!
 
Lumpy Gravy was as I was told notorious for this happening: Sound = Man works=20 briefly with you on your setup and even agrees to record to your DAT = during the=20 show, all sounds fine during sound check, get back for the gig and it = all sounds=20 different, no time to check with the guy who's not there, and = noone=20 records the gig as well.  Phooey on that place, even if it = is named after a Zappa album, and presented itself as a nice=20 venue.
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlig= ht.net/Gallery_Front.html=20 - Cartoons & Illustrations
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.live365.com/st= ations/218194=20 * EarthLight Online / Live!
 

just got in = from my gig=20 opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED
GALS.....went in 2 hours = early for=20 a sound check....."we supply all the
speakers etc.".....the sound = guy took=20 all my inputs and rearranged them in my
mixer and sent it out to his = console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok
(total sound check) but = i was=20 worried and not quite happy.....i am not a
great or even good = player, but i=20 do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, 8:00
o'clock comes and the = first=20 note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get
worried.....this is = nothing=20 like what we had set up and his configuration
totally freaked me, = things=20 were not where they should have been.....where was
the sound guy, = NOWHERE TO=20 BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one
wants to see a 53 = year=20 old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in the
sahara, so = thankfully=20 they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no
control of = anything,=20 boy does that make you feel like being
adventuresome.....then after = cutting=20 it about 10 mins. short everyone comes
up and says "wow that was = cool " and=20 LIES to that effect.....thankfully the
WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) = kicked=20 in and i did not burn my guitar and
rang.....i will never play = through=20 someone elses system again.....in fact,
this solo thing is getting = to weird,=20 i need other warm bodies to help the
tunes out.....sorry for such a = goofy=20 post but if i cant share this with you
all who can i share it=20 with.....:(m ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C110F1.8071F800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 03:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02820; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:42:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to pan hard right and left, with no eq. It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! Gareth just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in my mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, 8:00 o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where was the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in the sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you all who can i share it with.....:(m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 03:22:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03651; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: IVL Electrix Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:20:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess it's just wait and see. Maybe it's overly idealistic, but I have a good feeling about them. BTW, did you hear the rumor about the possible rumors that might be going around next week? ;) -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: IVL Electrix Yeah, Tim, I'm one of those trying to figure this out. <...> I'd also like to say that, given the likely financial concerns that must exist at Electrix, it's really a credit to them that they haven't shipped the Repeater yet. They deserve to be applauded for waiting until the product is "right." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 04:15:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06453; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: IVL Electrix Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're referring to possible future rumors in support of certain reports that broached the list both earlier this week and last, disseminated in response to further rumors that seemed to reinforce still other hearsay that has persisted unchecked on this list for many months now, well, yes, I have heard them and I believe they will be substantiated sometime very soon. Kevin > BTW, did you hear the rumor about the possible > rumors that might be going around next week? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 07:52:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14213; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:49:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010720114849.35964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Full Metal Jacket To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe they start working it in as early as the last night on Parris Island, but you really hear it towards the end of the movie when Joker kills the sniper. It's one of those sounds that goes in your ears & up your spine simultaneously. But in a good way. John --- mike morris wrote: > its been a little while since i last saw full metal > jacket...which scene are > you talkin about with the metal grinding sound? > shane ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 08:45:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17148; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c11119$b4936e20$4242f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107200658.CAA01613@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: copyright issue for distorting loops Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:36:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Petr, Many will probably disagree with me, but here is my take on this whole sampling issue: If you are a successful enough artist or have an independent means of income, contact the owners and pay for the sample up front. If not, use the sample in the most creative way you can: in a way that the creator of the sample would smile and remember their own creative impulse and sit back and let fate take it's course. If you make a lot of money because your work starts selling like hot cakes, trust me, the sample owners will find you and you can settle then. It will, of course, cost you a lot more, but then, you will be on the cover of Rolling Stone, so who cares ;-) Recently I was approached by RCA Records to sign a release form for a some samples I had created whilst producing a music video sound track for a band that they had just signed. They said it was just a formality. I told them that they could make me a reasonable offer and pay me upfront for what the samples are worth, but that I was not going to sign any release for them. The way I figure it, they can either honor me now or take the chance that someday they may make a whole lot of money off of my modest contribution to the song and know that I will come after them with a high powered musical attorney. We all know that the chances are fairly nill that the tune will do that well so I've let go of it, emotionally, but I do have a good friend who is on the verge of suing a very major recording artist for a song that her producers allowed her to record without compensating him for having written the chorus many years ago. He's going to make millions and I'm going to sit back and laugh!!!! just my 2 cents. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 09:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19159; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1111f$15823e00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:22:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <2brB7.A.ArE.u_CW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't give up on the solo gig! I hook everything together on my mackie onstage and send the outs through a D/O back to the sound guy and control as much as I can from stage. My last gig was as minimal as it can possibly get. Looping voice, I usually use a JamMan, and two old EchoPlus DSPs. Well, two of the three died prior to the gig, so I did my set with ONE EchoPlus, my voice, and a harmonica. Now I'm all about minimalism. Intimacy is good. Congrats on your gig! Jehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > Gareth > > > > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > my > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > 8:00 > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > was > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > the > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you > all who can i share it with.....:(m > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 09:32:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19522; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:31:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:31:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c11120$a54e91e0$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: <20010720114849.35964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Full Metal Jacket Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:34:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another good use of sound is in the movie "Pi"..there's a scene where the guy is in the bathroom (hallucinating?), prodding his exposed brain with a pen. It's a nice burst of high freq tonal dissonance..just what you would expect..at least what I might expect if I started poking shit into my brain.. Jehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Full Metal Jacket > I believe they start working it in as early as the > last night on Parris Island, but you really hear it > towards the end of the movie when Joker kills the > sniper. It's one of those sounds that goes in your > ears & up your spine simultaneously. > > But in a good way. > > John > > > --- mike morris wrote: > > its been a little while since i last saw full metal > > jacket...which scene are > > you talkin about with the metal grinding sound? > > shane > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 11:20:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24993; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:18:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Pluggo in Performer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone of you use Pluggos in Performer? would you mind to mail me privately to sort out some features? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 11:43:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25828; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:42:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-245.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.245] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010720130021.00ac79d0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:00:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Junkie G Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN In-Reply-To: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:26 p.m. 19/07/01 EDT, you wrote: hi michael it happened to me in a big chill out party. i was really worried, but people came at the end of the play, to thanks me for the free trip. at least, it worked for someones. always there is somebody who can see the whole process, and values more than just the ocassional sound quality ... cheers, jg Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap "cheers from catalonia, which language, people and culture have been harassed by centralists in spain through the years" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 12:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28117; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B5900EE.9E301F94@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:11:26 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, that sounds like an out door gig where I found out that the output of my guitar synth was only in my monitor mix. After the hot and sweaty summer show, people came up to me and said, "Nice air guitar." Don't be so fast to judge though, although I've found that 95% of "pro" audio engineers SUCK. I've also found some good ones. It's like a hair cut, sometimes you've got to be REALLY specific about what you want. My band used to play a club (Robbie Acteo I'm sure knows this one) where they had massive subwoofers mounted in the stage! It sounded like HELL. Every bass note would rattle the drums. It was like playing with a fog horn (not that that's a bad thing in the right contex) I almost got into a fist fight when I demanded (after being ignored) that the subs be OFF. The "engineer" was being paid by the band (club rules regardless of if you had your own gear/engineer) but basically had the "I don't care what you want, this is the way I do it" attitude. He finally agreed to kill the subs, but then turned them back on during the performance. I left the stage and got in his face, and he turned it back off. BOY! Mark Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all > the > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged > them in my > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded > ok > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not > a > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my > sound".....WELL, 8:00 > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin > to get > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his > configuration > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have > been.....where was > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and > no one > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig > in the > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i > had no > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone > comes > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that > effect.....thankfully the > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar > and > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in > fact, > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help > the > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this > with you > all who can i share it with.....:(m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 12:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28430; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:17:32 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I always go mono in larger clubs. Mark whiteoakstudios wrote: > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > Gareth > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > my > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > 8:00 > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > was > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > the > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you > all who can i share it with.....:(m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 12:45:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29298; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.227] From: "circuithead" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <002001c1111f$15823e00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 16:42:52.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[050104A0:01C1113B] Resent-Message-ID: <2YJVY.A.fJH.r-FW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i understand the need to want to control all your gear from the stage...but just to throw in my 2 cents worth...thats the soundman's basic job to amplify, mix, and produce a clear audible whole for the front house to hear. i do know how you feel because i have felt the same way before as a musician, especially being a mallet/percussion player. However, i have become a house soundman at a club this year and now understand the importance of having control over the front house. The soundman's KEY job is to make you sound better!!!! period. if he is not accomplishing that goal i would suggest bringing your own soundman to the gig...which of course isnt always affordable...but if at all possible, it makes a crucial difference to have someone on your side out front makin sure the audience hears what your playin the way you want them to hear it. shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Jehn To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > Don't give up on the solo gig! I hook everything together on my mackie > onstage and send the outs through a D/O back to the sound guy and control as > much as I can from stage. My last gig was as minimal as it can possibly get. > Looping voice, I usually use a JamMan, and two old EchoPlus DSPs. Well, two > of the three died prior to the gig, so I did my set with ONE EchoPlus, my > voice, and a harmonica. Now I'm all about minimalism. Intimacy is good. > Congrats on your gig! > Jehn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "whiteoakstudios" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:42 AM > Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > > > > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and > asked > > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done > more > > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > > > Gareth > > > > > > > > > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > > my > > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > > 8:00 > > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to > get > > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > > was > > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no > one > > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > > the > > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had > no > > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone > comes > > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully > the > > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with > you > > all who can i share it with.....:(m > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 12:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29921; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.227] From: "circuithead" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010720130021.00ac79d0@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:03:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 16:57:49.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BB92400:01C1113D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com blues/rock guitar maestro Steve Pryor from tulsa,ok told me once after i began working as a soundman that most soundmen are failed musicians. it sounded funny at first, but over the following week i thought more about it and looked around at the other enginneers in town and had to agree with him...i actaully found 4 or 5 in my small town that were mostly bad guitar players or out of time drummers... but they are all not bad. there are actually some who really enjoy makin bands sound their best...and there are even some who dont even play music at all!! God bless them! shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Junkie G To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:00 AM Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > At 11:26 p.m. 19/07/01 EDT, you wrote: > > hi michael > > it happened to me in a big chill out party. > i was really worried, but people came at the end > of the play, to thanks me for the free trip. > at least, it worked for someones. > always there is somebody who can see the > whole process, and values more than just the > ocassional sound quality ... > > cheers, > jg > > > > > Tapeadores > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap > > "cheers from catalonia, > which language, people > and culture have been harassed > by centralists in spain through the years" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31041; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's been my experience. I've been to outdoor shows where I literally could not hear one or more musicians because the engineer had them panned too hard. FWIW, YMMV, I've heard great sounding shows in mono, but most of those bands were more of the straight up rock variety. You only need to be concerned with relative levels and phase cancellation, as opposed to relative levels, phase cancellation, and stereo imaging on two independent channels. I think it's at least a small order of magnitude more complex to mix stereo live. I actually think going quad would just as easy to get a decent balance, as long as you didn't have too many statically panned elements. But the performance space has such a huge impact. Looping performances tend to have a different aesthetic than the rock band, and I'd want to do my mostest to carry off a stereo performance. I suspect that more subtle panning of select textures, using stereo panning to create motion for some elements, and a fairly narrow spread for the base elements of a peice might be the first tack I'd take. What have been other people's experiences with playing stereo live? I know we've had a whole quad/oct monitor discussion before, but I'm still interested in a discussion like this. Anyone else? Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've > got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a > lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty > much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I > always go mono in larger clubs. > > Mark > > whiteoakstudios wrote: > > > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked > > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more > > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > > > Gareth > > > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > > my > > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > > 8:00 > > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get > > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > > was > > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one > > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > > the > > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no > > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes > > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the > > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you > > all who can i share it with.....:(m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32087; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:22:36 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA32049 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Looping performances tend to have a different aesthetic than the rock band, and I'd want to do my mostest to carry off a stereo performance. I suspect that more subtle panning of select textures, using stereo panning to create motion for some elements, and a fairly narrow spread for the base elements of a peice might be the first tack I'd take. I've found that for solo and ambient ensembles that stereo can be very effective. The venues for these types of performance are (generally) smaller than a large concert hall setting, so stereo fx are usually perceived as intended. For more active ensemble playing, I'm starting to believe that narrowing your stereo spread or even going mono 'localizes' your voice in the group, allowing for a bit more coherence and audibility. With everyone in stereo panned hard right and left (especially if it's a static thing with no panning motion), things sometimes get masked or are just harder to perceive (for me). When you've got your looper and post processing all going through a Z Vex Fuzz Probe you'd better hope you've got the option to pan! 8- ) It's great when something sitting in a seemingly mono mix suddenly slides across the stage... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32207; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010720112958.007cf430@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:29:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN In-Reply-To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <002001c1111f$15823e00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also control my mix from the stage. The only people I've EVER felt comfortable with, working with the mix, were certain bandmates, or a co-worker who was a sound person. and, even then there were issues with some of the band. The idea that the sound person is supposed to HELP in the process is a really good one, but *laughing* it seems particularly rare to me, when musicians report on that actually happening. I think that part of it is that anybody can be a "sound person" and worse yet, some have the attitude that they know it all, because they really don't. The ones who do, usually won't act like it! lol! Anyway, -just my thoughts... Smiles, Goddess At 11:47 AM 7/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >i understand the need to want to control all your gear from the stage...but >just to throw in my 2 cents worth...thats the soundman's basic job to >amplify, mix, and produce a clear audible whole for the front house to hear. >i do know how you feel because i have felt the same way before as a >musician, especially being a mallet/percussion player. However, i have >become a house soundman at a club this year and now understand the >importance of having control over the front house. The soundman's KEY job >is to make you sound better!!!! period. if he is not accomplishing that goal >i would suggest bringing your own soundman to the gig...which of course isnt >always affordable...but if at all possible, it makes a crucial difference to >have someone on your side out front makin sure the audience hears what your >playin the way you want them to hear it. >shane > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jehn >To: >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:22 AM >Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > > >> Don't give up on the solo gig! I hook everything together on my mackie >> onstage and send the outs through a D/O back to the sound guy and control >as >> much as I can from stage. My last gig was as minimal as it can possibly >get. >> Looping voice, I usually use a JamMan, and two old EchoPlus DSPs. Well, >two >> of the three died prior to the gig, so I did my set with ONE EchoPlus, my >> voice, and a harmonica. Now I'm all about minimalism. Intimacy is good. >> Congrats on your gig! >> Jehn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "whiteoakstudios" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:42 AM >> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN >> >> >> > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear >monitoring - >> > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman >to >> > pan hard right and left, with no eq. >> > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > >> > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and >> asked >> > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done >> more >> > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over >the >> > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! >> > >> > Gareth >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED >> > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the >> > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them >in >> > my >> > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded >ok >> > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a >> > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, >> > 8:00 >> > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to >> get >> > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his >configuration >> > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have >been.....where >> > was >> > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no >> one >> > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig >in >> > the >> > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i >had >> no >> > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being >> > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone >> comes >> > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully >> the >> > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and >> > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in >fact, >> > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help >the >> > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with >> you >> > all who can i share it with.....:(m >> > >> > >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32721; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.237.88.227] From: "mike morris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:33:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 17:33:44.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FC01400:01C11142] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if things actually worked in theory......lol~ shane >From: Goddess >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:29:58 -0600 > > I also control my mix from the stage. The only people I've EVER felt >comfortable with, working with the mix, were certain bandmates, or a >co-worker who was a sound person. and, even then there were issues with >some of the band. The idea that the sound person is supposed to HELP in >the process is a really good one, but *laughing* it seems particularly >rare to me, when musicians report on that actually happening. I think that >part of it is that anybody can be a "sound person" and worse yet, some have >the attitude that they know it all, because they really don't. >The ones who do, usually won't act like it! lol! Anyway, -just my >thoughts... > >Smiles, > >Goddess > > At 11:47 AM 7/20/01 -0500, you wrote: > >i understand the need to want to control all your gear from the >stage...but > >just to throw in my 2 cents worth...thats the soundman's basic job to > >amplify, mix, and produce a clear audible whole for the front house to >hear. > >i do know how you feel because i have felt the same way before as a > >musician, especially being a mallet/percussion player. However, i have > >become a house soundman at a club this year and now understand the > >importance of having control over the front house. The soundman's KEY >job > >is to make you sound better!!!! period. if he is not accomplishing that >goal > >i would suggest bringing your own soundman to the gig...which of course >isnt > >always affordable...but if at all possible, it makes a crucial difference >to > >have someone on your side out front makin sure the audience hears what >your > >playin the way you want them to hear it. > >shane > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jehn > >To: > >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:22 AM > >Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > > > > > >> Don't give up on the solo gig! I hook everything together on my mackie > >> onstage and send the outs through a D/O back to the sound guy and >control > >as > >> much as I can from stage. My last gig was as minimal as it can possibly > >get. > >> Looping voice, I usually use a JamMan, and two old EchoPlus DSPs. Well, > >two > >> of the three died prior to the gig, so I did my set with ONE EchoPlus, >my > >> voice, and a harmonica. Now I'm all about minimalism. Intimacy is good. > >> Congrats on your gig! > >> Jehn > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "whiteoakstudios" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:42 AM > >> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > >> > >> > >> > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear > >monitoring - > >> > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound >man/woman > >to > >> > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > >> > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last >time I > > > >> > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and > >> asked > >> > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have >done > >> more > >> > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all >over > >the > >> > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > >> > > >> > Gareth > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > >> > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all >the > >> > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged >them > >in > >> > my > >> > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this >sounded > >ok > >> > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am >not a > >> > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my >sound".....WELL, > >> > 8:00 > >> > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin >to > >> get > >> > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his > >configuration > >> > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have > >been.....where > >> > was > >> > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and >no > >> one > >> > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a >pig > >in > >> > the > >> > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i > >had > >> no > >> > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > >> > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone > >> comes > >> > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that >effect.....thankfully > >> the > >> > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar >and > >> > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in > >fact, > >> > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help > >the > >> > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this >with > >> you > >> > all who can i share it with.....:(m > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:46:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00867; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:44:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200107201744.NAA26611@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've > got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a > lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty > much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I > always go mono in larger clubs. I've heard big-ish bands like the Butthole Surfers and the Orb who make heavy use of stereo live... I always mix (yes, I mix on stage too, but I'd love to find someone reliable and get that task away from me) taking this into account, but a lot of my delays and the DL-4 of course are heavy stereo spacial disruption generators, the effect is dramatically reduced in mono. The usual club setup these days has floating stereo speakers above the crowd that let people on the left hear the right speaker and vice versa... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:03:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08324; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:02:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:02:09 -0500 Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... From: Mike Feeney To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , circuithead Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "failed musicians" is such a harsh phrase... =) the bassist in my band is self-supported as a gear repairman, but is about to start a job as a house soundman. Heheh, I'd say he's an outstanding musician, has played in just about every semi-pro band to come out of this town... Just never MADE it. Yet. ;) Mike on 7/20/01 12.03 PM, circuithead at circuithead_@hotmail.com wrote: > blues/rock guitar maestro Steve Pryor from tulsa,ok told me once after i > began working as a soundman that > most soundmen are > failed musicians. > > it sounded funny at first, but over the following week i thought more > about it and looked around at the other enginneers in town and had to agree > with him...i actaully found 4 or 5 in my small town that were mostly bad > guitar players or out of time drummers... but they are all not bad. there > are actually some who really enjoy makin bands sound their best...and there > are even some who dont even play music at all!! God bless them! > shane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Junkie G > To: > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > > >> At 11:26 p.m. 19/07/01 EDT, you wrote: >> >> hi michael >> >> it happened to me in a big chill out party. >> i was really worried, but people came at the end >> of the play, to thanks me for the free trip. >> at least, it worked for someones. >> always there is somebody who can see the >> whole process, and values more than just the >> ocassional sound quality ... >> >> cheers, >> jg >> >> >> >> >> Tapeadores >> http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap >> >> "cheers from catalonia, >> which language, people >> and culture have been harassed >> by centralists in spain through the years" >> >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09545; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:04:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:04:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B5872A6.E913E27C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:04:08 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're on the subject, WHAT THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH ENGINEERS THAT FEEL THEY NEED TO DRIVE THE SYSTEM TO THE POINT OF DISTORTION?! I know I'm not a spring chicken, but even in my youth I found it nessacery to wear some form of ear protection to many shows. I left a Beck show because all I could hear was a barely sonic rumble and an annoying hiss. The fault of the venue? NOT. The opening band sounded fine. Who does the sound person think they are helping when they go for volume at the expence of sound quality? I had a funny experience once, as a sales person in a home audio store. The owner/engineer of a local recording studio, Pyramid Sound in Ithaca NY, was in looking at some higher end speakers. As I took him around our selection, he immediatly perked up WHEN I PLAYED HIM THE BRIGHTEST SPEAKERS WITH THE HARSHEST HIGH END WE HAD! The speakers, IMOP, sounded horrible. They were some lame "3d" deal. Totally lacking any clear midrange. Anyway, as he was enjoying the sound, along came in one of the local heavy metal guitarists! He immediatly said, "yeah, I love these speakers too!" and they bonded with their common lack of high frequency hearing. So there you have it. Maybe the engineer thinks you sound GREAT and that they're doing a really swell job. There is no accounting for taste. The hearing impared have just as much right to enjoy music as the rest of us. Mark Mark wrote: > Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've > got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a > lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty > much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I > always go mono in larger clubs. > > Mark > > whiteoakstudios wrote: > > > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked > > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more > > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > > > Gareth > > > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > > my > > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > > 8:00 > > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get > > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > > was > > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one > > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > > the > > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no > > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes > > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the > > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you > > all who can i share it with.....:(m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10442; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:09:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:08:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11146.F17FC4F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11146.F17FC4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "failed musicians" is such a harsh phrase... =) the bassist in my band is self-supported as a gear repairman, but is about to start a job as a house soundman. Heheh, I'd say he's an outstanding musician, has played in just about every semi-pro band to come out of this town... Just never MADE it. ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list who has a day job could be considered a "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11146.F17FC4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....

    "failed musicians" is = such a harsh phrase...  =3D)  the bassist in my band
is self-supported as a gear repairman, but is about = to start a job as a
house soundman.  Heheh, I'd say he's an = outstanding musician, has played in
just about every semi-pro band to come out of this = town... Just never MADE
it. 

   ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this = list who has a day job could be considered a "falied  = musician" - - glass houses and all.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C11146.F17FC4F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10917; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c11147$d467b0c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> <3B5872A6.E913E27C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:14:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com vERY GOOD POINT imo- oM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN > While we're on the subject, WHAT THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH ENGINEERS THAT FEEL THEY > NEED TO DRIVE THE SYSTEM TO THE POINT OF DISTORTION?! I know I'm not a spring > chicken, but even in my youth I found it nessacery to wear some form of ear > protection to many shows. I left a Beck show because all I could hear was a > barely sonic rumble and an annoying hiss. The fault of the venue? NOT. The > opening band sounded fine. Who does the sound person think they are helping when > they go for volume at the expence of sound quality? > > I had a funny experience once, as a sales person in a home audio store. The > owner/engineer of a local recording studio, Pyramid Sound in Ithaca NY, was in > looking at some higher end speakers. As I took him around our selection, he > immediatly perked up WHEN I PLAYED HIM THE BRIGHTEST SPEAKERS WITH THE HARSHEST > HIGH END WE HAD! The speakers, IMOP, sounded horrible. They were some lame "3d" > deal. Totally lacking any clear midrange. Anyway, as he was enjoying the sound, > along came in one of the local heavy metal guitarists! He immediatly said, "yeah, > I love these speakers too!" and they bonded with their common lack of high > frequency hearing. > > So there you have it. Maybe the engineer thinks you sound GREAT and that they're > doing a really swell job. There is no accounting for taste. The hearing impared > have just as much right to enjoy music as the rest of us. > > Mark > > Mark wrote: > > > Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've > > got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a > > lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty > > much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I > > always go mono in larger clubs. > > > > Mark > > > > whiteoakstudios wrote: > > > > > I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - > > > at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to > > > pan hard right and left, with no eq. > > > It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I > > > played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked > > > a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more > > > with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the > > > place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! > > > > > > Gareth > > > > > > just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED > > > GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the > > > speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in > > > my > > > mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok > > > (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a > > > great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, > > > 8:00 > > > o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get > > > worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration > > > totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where > > > was > > > the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one > > > wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in > > > the > > > sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no > > > control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being > > > adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes > > > up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the > > > WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and > > > rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, > > > this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the > > > tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you > > > all who can i share it with.....:(m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11063; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B588377.B902DB59@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:16:07 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i dont even think i qualify to be a failed musician! later, -jas Albuquerque "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list who has a day job > could be considered a "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:17:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11066; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:15:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200107201815.OAA28536@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: OT: music industry enters hard times, ha, ha, ha X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that this is OT but probably you'll get some innocent amusement out of this -- the greedy music industry is coming on hard times and that is directly due to their evil nature! ; > According to the Los Angeles Times, a lawn ticket purchased over the > phone for the upcoming Barenaked Ladies show at Clear Channel's Verizon > Amphitheater in Irvine, Calif., had a face value of $14.25. Yet after > add-on charges, the ticket actually cost $29.70. That's right, the > service fees cost more than the actual ticket. and they're shocked, SHOCKED, that people are't coming to these shows! Why the government decided that Ticketmaster wasn't a monopoly is beyond me... /t -- Wombats partout. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11900; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:32:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:02:18 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=MS_Mac_OE_3078475338_549241_MIME_Part User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078475338_549241_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nice!! everyone can be part of the experience. Just like a great album can be 50 percent in the mixing(though that doesn't always happen either), like michael omartian and chistopher cross's debut and another page, for instance, or thomas dolby's golden age of wireless. it's just a valid point that if you are by yourself on a stage it's a huge emotional risk w/out having total control over your own stuff, or someone with whom you have a relationship and understands your deal on 7/20/01 11:08 AM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote: ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list who has a day job could be considered a "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. --MS_Mac_OE_3078475338_549241_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Nice!!

everyone can be part of the experience. Just like a great album can be 50 p= ercent in the mixing(though that doesn't always happen either), like michael= omartian and chistopher cross's debut and another page, for instance, or th= omas dolby's golden age of wireless. it's just a valid point that if you are= by yourself on a stage it's a huge emotional risk w/out having total contro= l over your own stuff, or someone with whom you have a relationship and unde= rstands your deal

on 7/20/01 11:08 AM, Liebig, Steuart A. at Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com wrote:=

  ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list w= ho has a day job could be considered a "falied  musician" - -= glass houses and all.
--MS_Mac_OE_3078475338_549241_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11858; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c11149$bf097f40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That's been my experience. I've been to outdoor shows where I > literally could not hear one or more musicians because the > engineer had them panned too hard. You know there's that psycho-acoustic effect (I can't remember it's name) where you can pan sounds from left to right by adjusting the left-right time delay. It's a small delay, on the order of 800 microseconds. There's an example on my Kyma system. It is especially impressive with headphones. When you pan the sound totally to the left, for instance, you would swear to God that your right headphone is dead. Yet if you listen to only the right 'phone (by removing the left 'phone from your ear), you hear the sound very clearly. That's because the sound is the same amplitude in the left and right 'phone, just slightly delayed in the right. If you panned sounds with this scheme, people able to hear only one speaker would still hear everything as a mono mix. People in the middle would hear a proper stereo image. Of course, the effective delay (and hence stereo image) would vary depending on the listener's position in the house. I suspect this "panning through delay" technique would narrow the "sweet area" of good imaging compared to amplitude panning, but at least everybody could hear everything. Has anybody tried this? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12200; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:36:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:36:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c1114a$6d30a080$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....> ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list who has a day job could be considered a > "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. Gosh, I guess a "successful musician" must have failed as a "failed musician"! :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:45:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12616; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:44:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200107201844.OAA30318@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You know there's that psycho-acoustic effect (I can't remember it's name) > where you can pan sounds from left to right by adjusting the left-right time > delay. It's a small delay, on the order of 800 microseconds. Sound goes one foot and one inch per millisecond, so the time delay between your two ears (about 10 inches apart) would be about 800ms! I can't remember this name either, I have it on the tip of my tongue. Unfortunately, you cannot use this effect in general because it works badly when you mix into mono. You get a comb filter starting at 1.25KHz... 1.25K is the sweetspot, 612.5Hz is cancelled, 1.865KHz is cancelled, 2.5KHz is a sweetspot, etc. We tried this in shows, it works great if you are mixed in stereo, but it fries your vocals if you go into mono. The "something" effect. Damn. What is that name? /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12879; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c1115d$1b802c20$6f109818@default> From: "Daniel" To: References: Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:46:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1112A.D04EAC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5zpmMD.A.GID.nzHW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1112A.D04EAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....I have a tale that's either a scary story or = reinvindicative about sound engineers. A local radio programme in my = country had a special live show which had a type of jools holland vibe = to it cos of diff. musicians and bands playing one after the other in a = circle. One of them who was a friend of mine, had trouble with his zoom = 501 guitar pedal which was making a lot of noise. I knew it either had = to be the power adapter or the cable. But one of the sound engineers = kept saying it was the zoom pedal and it's distortion so he did the = classic thing to shout out to skip the box and to plug in with a clean = signal. But by fortune, a nother musician in the audience who happened = to be a friend of mine passed by and I ask him to help since with a = musician and one with stage experience could actually get through to = engineers about the possible cable trouble. Lucky enough that the = assistant of the rebel engineer saw that it was a cable problem when he = saw that the cable connecting the guitar to the pedal was the most = laughable piece of lame ware possible. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1112A.D04EAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....
I have a tale that's either a scary story or = reinvindicative=20 about sound engineers. A local radio programme in my country had a = special live=20 show which had a type of jools holland vibe to it cos of diff. musicians = and=20 bands playing one after the other in a circle. One of them who was a = friend of=20 mine, had trouble with his zoom 501 guitar pedal which was making a lot = of=20 noise. I knew it either had to be the power adapter or the cable. But = one of the=20 sound engineers kept saying it was the zoom pedal and it's distortion so = he did=20 the classic thing to shout out to skip the box and to plug in with a = clean=20 signal. But by fortune, a nother musician in the audience who happened = to be a=20 friend of mine passed by and I ask him to help since with a musician and = one=20 with stage experience could actually get through to engineers about the = possible=20 cable trouble. Lucky enough that the assistant of the rebel engineer saw = that it=20 was a cable problem when he saw that the cable connecting the guitar to = the=20 pedal was the most laughable piece of lame ware=20 possible.
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1112A.D04EAC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 15:06:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14929; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c1114f$242cf820$2a2f04d1@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What have been other people's experiences with playing stereo > live? I would say, that 99% of the clubs I have played in have mono systems. Most likely because they are easier to run and cheaper than dealing with stereo (using half of the power amp for monitors, the other for mains). Bigger clubs with more $ may have stereo, but for the most part around here (West coast of Florida) its all mono. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 15:51:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16723; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:50:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:50:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B588B44.D35862AC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:49:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) References: <001301c1114f$242cf820$2a2f04d1@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's called phase cancellation. future perfect wrote: > > What have been other people's experiences with playing stereo > > live? > > I would say, that 99% of the clubs I have played in have mono systems. > Most likely because they are easier to run and cheaper than dealing with > stereo (using half of the power amp for monitors, the other for mains). > Bigger clubs with more $ may have stereo, but for the most part around > here (West coast of Florida) its all mono. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:00:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18188; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:00:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200107201959.MAA07793@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:58:09 -0700 Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is the way i have always done my loops-it always works performancewise(for me,or so i'm told!). hearing phil spector-brian wilson- and life in general have been my main influences for usin . <1guitar 1amp 1speaker> stanner ---------- >From: Mark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN >Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001, 9:17 PM > >Most PA setups don't do stereo for the reason that (especially outside) you've >got people all over the place that want to hear the full mix. If you've got a >lot of stereo information going out, you risk that people on one side are pretty >much not going to hear half the mix. Aside from my webcasts and small cafes, I >always go mono in larger clubs. > >Mark > >whiteoakstudios wrote: > >> I just give the sound man a stereo feed and use my own in-ear monitoring - >> at least then it sounds good to me and I just tell the sound man/woman to >> pan hard right and left, with no eq. >> It takes a real idiot to mess up those instructions - though last time I >> played out of doors and followed the above I came down from stage and asked >> a freind how it went and he said"fine but I though you could have done more >> with stereo placement". I replied that the sound was bouncing all over the >> place - turns out the PA man runs it all in mono!! >> >> Gareth >> >> just got in from my gig opening for SUGAR DADDY AND THE BIG BONED >> GALS.....went in 2 hours early for a sound check....."we supply all the >> speakers etc.".....the sound guy took all my inputs and rearranged them in >> my >> mixer and sent it out to his console.....for about 2 mins this sounded ok >> (total sound check) but i was worried and not quite happy.....i am not a >> great or even good player, but i do pride myself in "my sound".....WELL, >> 8:00 >> o'clock comes and the first note i hit sounds like *shit* and i begin to get >> worried.....this is nothing like what we had set up and his configuration >> totally freaked me, things were not where they should have been.....where >> was >> the sound guy, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.....yikes, the show must go on and no one >> wants to see a 53 year old man cry, although i was sweating like a pig in >> the >> sahara, so thankfully they could not see my tears.....IT WAS AWFUL, i had no >> control of anything, boy does that make you feel like being >> adventuresome.....then after cutting it about 10 mins. short everyone comes >> up and says "wow that was cool " and LIES to that effect.....thankfully the >> WILD TURKEY (sorry no scotch) kicked in and i did not burn my guitar and >> rang.....i will never play through someone elses system again.....in fact, >> this solo thing is getting to weird, i need other warm bodies to help the >> tunes out.....sorry for such a goofy post but if i cant share this with you >> all who can i share it with.....:(m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:06:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18463; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B588EA1.A8B0B4FC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:03:32 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) References: <001301c1114f$242cf820$2a2f04d1@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's never a money issue. Have you ever seen a totally mono board? future perfect wrote: > > What have been other people's experiences with playing stereo > > live? > > I would say, that 99% of the clubs I have played in have mono systems. > Most likely because they are easier to run and cheaper than dealing with > stereo (using half of the power amp for monitors, the other for mains). > Bigger clubs with more $ may have stereo, but for the most part around > here (West coast of Florida) its all mono. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18868; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c11157$9bff20a0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> From: "shreeswifty" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> <00da01c1114a$6d30a080$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:07:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com would you consider Charles Ives a "failed musician" then? Pat Pagano, Director South East Just Intonation Society http://indians.australians.com/meherbaba/ http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Leas To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... > RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....> ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list > who has a day job could be considered a > > "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. > > Gosh, I guess a "successful musician" must have failed as a "failed > musician"! :D > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:26:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19487; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:24:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:24:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB563@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:23:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11159.CC167570" Resent-Message-ID: <8kuRjB.A.MwE.xNJW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11159.CC167570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** ya know . . . it was just pointing out the fact that the sound people that are being discussed - - and dissed - - may be players whose day job is doing sound. someone else called them "failed musicians" and i pointed out that many people here could be considered to be failed by similar criteria. i have a day job and don't consider failed myself, ya know? so why would i consider ives to be "failed" - - or mussorgsky, or myriad other people who have had families and day jobs AND did music. (for that matter, most musicians who play for a living ARE doing a day job, they're not doing THEIR music, they're doing someone else's. some teach or write about music, it's all cool by me.) the short answer: NO stig would you consider Charles Ives a "failed musician" then? ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list > who has a day job could be considered a > > "falied musician" - - glass houses and all. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11159.CC167570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE....

** ya know  . . . it was just pointing out the = fact that the sound people that are being discussed  - - and = dissed - - may be players whose day job is doing sound. someone else = called them "failed musicians" and i pointed out that many = people here could be considered to be failed by similar criteria. =

i have a day job and don't consider failed myself, ya = know? so why would i consider ives to be "failed"  - - = or mussorgsky, or myriad other people who have had families and day = jobs AND did music.

(for that matter, most musicians who play for a = living ARE doing a day job, they're not doing THEIR music, they're = doing someone else's. some teach or write about music, it's all cool by = me.)

the short answer: NO

stig


would you consider Charles Ives a "failed = musician" then?



  ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this = list
> who has a day job could be considered a
> >  "falied  musician" - = - glass houses and all.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C11159.CC167570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:35:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20069; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:32:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200107202032.QAA04480@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > it's called phase cancellation. No -- phase cancellation is the RESULT of mixing this effect into mono. The effect itself is where you delay a signal in one channel to simulate stereo. And it's something like "the Helmholz effect" or something like that... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20838; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010720164321.007d6ec0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:43:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) In-Reply-To: <001301c1114f$242cf820$2a2f04d1@ij.net> References: <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree completely with Dave, at least in my experience playing small/medium clubs in New England, the Midwest and Northwest. The only venues I've played in where it's been stereo mains have been theater-type halls where the audience sits facing forward and doesn't walk around during the performance, and even most of them have been mono. I've almost never seen stereo house systems in a smaller situation with drinks and tables, the exception being acts who bring their own stuff. Tim At 03:06 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote: > > What have been other people's experiences with playing stereo >> live? > >I would say, that 99% of the clubs I have played in have mono systems. >Most likely because they are easier to run and cheaper than dealing with >stereo (using half of the power amp for monitors, the other for mains). >Bigger clubs with more $ may have stereo, but for the most part around >here (West coast of Florida) its all mono. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21625; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c1115e$1fd14150$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200107202032.QAA04480@www.editev.com> Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The effect itself is where you delay a signal in one > channel to simulate stereo. And it's something like > "the Helmholz effect" or something like that... It's the PRECEDENCE effect! Hear it at: http://www.unl.edu/secd/psychoa/experiments/preceden.html Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21636; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.78.184.97] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:56:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 20:56:53.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[81124220:01C1115E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, everyone. I joined the list a couple days ago. I found the list after remembering the time a couple years ago when I saw at a bookstore a man named Samite perform a traditional African song by layering his voice live, singing the different parts and then singing the lead over top. I think what he used was a Echoplex Digital Pro. That is my familiarity in person with such a live multi-layering device, although I have heard of another, the Jam Man. I apologize if my questions are overly basic: What device or equipment would people recommend as the most user friendly editing and arranging-wise or versatile effects-wise for live performance, such as street performance or busking, of music made by improvised layering and editing of singing and vocal sounds (like beat box or a cappella extraterrestrial techno) or vocals with acoustic guitar? Does anyone on this list have experience or interest in street performance or busking? Also: How can I try out in person any devices or equipment that people recommend? The Sam Ash store in Edison, New Jersey said I would have to buy the Digital Pro if they tried to order it for me to try. Does anyone on this list live in or near New Jersey? Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions. Feel free to respond to my personal email, if you prefer: scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:04:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23273; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:03:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:03:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.89.132.196] From: "Scott Anderson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:01:59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 21:01:59.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[37C99E50:01C1115F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if I sent this already! Hello, everyone. I joined the list a couple days ago. I found the list after remembering the time a couple years ago when I saw at a bookstore a man named Samite perform a traditional African song by layering his voice live, singing the different parts and then singing the lead over top. I think what he used was a Echoplex Digital Pro. That is my familiarity in person with such a live multi-layering device, although I have heard of another, the Jam Man. I apologize if my questions are overly basic: What device or equipment would people recommend as the most user friendly editing and arranging-wise or versatile effects-wise for live performance, such as street performance or busking, of music made by improvised layering and editing of singing and vocal sounds (like beat box or a cappella extraterrestrial techno) or vocals with acoustic guitar? Does anyone on this list have experience or interest in street performance or busking? Also: How can I try out in person any devices or equipment that people recommend? The Sam Ash store in Edison, New Jersey said I would have to buy the Digital Pro if they tried to order it for me to try. Does anyone on this list live in or near New Jersey? Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions. Feel free to respond to my personal email, if you prefer: scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:07:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23537; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017201c1115f$54b41d60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB557@migarexch01.maritz.com> <00da01c1114a$6d30a080$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000801c11157$9bff20a0$7fa14ed8@gnv.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:02:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > would you consider Charles Ives a "failed musician" then? Maybe a "failed music-business person" but certainly not a "failed musician". Of course, I think of a musician as somebody who *does music*. Making (or not making) money from making music does not enter into the equation. And if somebody loves what they do and derive some satisfaction from it, how can they be a failure? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:13:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24057; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:27:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry if I sent this already! Hey, just joined the list, and already he's looping!:-) Welcome aboard, Scott. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:15:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24442; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:14:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:13:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200107202113.RAA07074@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > The effect itself is where you delay a signal in one > > channel to simulate stereo. And it's something like > > "the Helmholz effect" or something like that... > > It's the PRECEDENCE effect! > > Hear it at: > http://www.unl.edu/secd/psychoa/experiments/preceden.html I was looking for this term: the Haas effect! ; !!!!!!!!! Never could have done it without you (search: "psychoacoustics precendence" found it). finally. now I can go back to work. /t -- where is wombat? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:36:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26966; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:35:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:35:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B575277.2090208@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:34:47 -0400 From: steve User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; N; PPC; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL4 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gonna sell my DL4, need one? its in great/basically new shape, w/ pwr sply sell for avg used price @ $200 peace ya'll From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:46:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27662; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:44:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:44:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c11165$83eb75a0$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Tardy" From: "Tardy" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New Line6 delay/looper Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:46:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1113B.97D8E040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1113B.97D8E040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those interested, the new "Pro" rackmount versions of the Line6 = modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in Nashville. Looks like = the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second loop sampler. = http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/StudioMo= delersmain.htm No details yet as to how the start/stop/overdub/etc features can be = acessed. =20 MBear ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1113B.97D8E040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those interested, the new "Pro" = rackmount=20 versions of the Line6 modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in=20 Nashville.  Looks like the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second = loop=20 sampler.  http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/Studi= oModelerRollout/StudioModelersmain.htm
No details yet as to how the = start/stop/overdub/etc=20 features can be acessed. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C1113B.97D8E040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 18:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00358; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:46:13 -0400 Subject: Loopfest in New York, getting together From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8teeI.A.9_H.1SLW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been off the list for awhile. Just back on, checked out the archives and saw the thread regarding loopers getting together in NYC. Didn't see completely where the thread ended up, but would love to be involved in any New York Project... Can anybody let me know whassup? I have some ideas for what's possible... Thanks, Todd Reynolds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 18:56:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01071; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:55:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200107202255.SAA13130@www.editev.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editev.com: httpd set sender to tom@swirly.com using -f From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.24 X-IPAddress: 66.9.67.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Been off the list for awhile. Just back on, checked out the archives and > saw the thread regarding loopers getting together in NYC. Didn't see > completely where the thread ended up, but would love to be involved in any > New York Project... Can anybody let me know whassup? I have some ideas for > what's possible... Strangely enough, Steven and I were discussing it today. Chashma is out, I think -- they have curators who pick who's there and they also don't have much of a PA. It looks as if we are going to approach the Knitting Factory... perhaps try to get a whole evening in a small room on an off nite like Monday or Tuesday... /t -- I am the wombat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 19:21:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03684; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:20:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:20:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c11201$4daf83e0$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <200107200658.CAA01613@hemlock.violacea.com> <00d601c11119$b4936e20$4242f93f@dnlsh01> Subject: Re: copyright issue for distorting loops Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:22:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for a great peice of advice.[honestly] cameron j street. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (loop.pool)" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:36 AM Subject: Re: copyright issue for distorting loops > Dear Petr, > Many will probably disagree with me, but here is my take on this whole > sampling issue: > > If you are a successful enough artist or have an independent means of > income, contact the owners and pay for the sample up front. > > If not, use the sample in the most creative way you can: in a way that the > creator of the sample would smile and remember their own creative impulse > and sit back and let fate take it's course. > > If you make a lot of money because your work starts selling like hot cakes, > trust me, the sample owners will find you and you can settle then. It will, > of course, cost you a lot more, but then, you will be on the cover of > Rolling Stone, so who cares ;-) > > Recently I was approached by RCA Records to sign a release form for a some > samples I had created whilst producing a music video sound track for a band > that they had just signed. They said it was just a formality. I told them > that they > could make me a reasonable offer and pay me upfront for what the samples are > worth, but that I was not going to sign any release for them. The way I > figure it, they can either honor me now or take the chance that someday they > may make a whole lot of money off of my modest contribution to the song and > know that I will come after them with a high powered musical attorney. > > We all know that the chances are fairly nill that the tune will do that well > so I've let go of it, emotionally, but I do have a good friend who is on the > verge of suing > a very major recording artist for > a song that her producers allowed her to record without compensating him for > having written the chorus > many years ago. He's going to make millions and I'm going to sit back and > laugh!!!! > > just my 2 cents. Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 20:55:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09229; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B587E8A.1B1B3A74@pseudobuddha.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:55:09 +0100 From: Bobdog Reply-To: bobdog@pseudobuddha.com Organization: Pseudo Buddha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - Boomerang for sale Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A3698A20E6FEB9F08AAF5531" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------A3698A20E6FEB9F08AAF5531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi kids - i'm selling my boomerang (no fancy mods or updates). i'd like $300. interested? Bobdog --------------A3698A20E6FEB9F08AAF5531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi kids -

i'm selling my boomerang (no fancy mods or updates).

i'd like $300. interested?

 Bobdog <bobdog@pseudobuddha.com> --------------A3698A20E6FEB9F08AAF5531-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 20:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09426; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c11180$bfa915a0$5b122818@norr1.pa.home.com> From: "Andrew Wing" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010720130021.00ac79d0@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:02:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "circuithead" > ...and there > are even some who dont even play music at all!! God bless them! I've never made music, only looping samplaholic cacophany :-) I also did sound part time for over 10 years as a hobby. The FOH mix will usually be mono for the as stated reasons, but for one benefit show I did, *everything* was panned hard, even two monitor submixes. One act, Flowchart, does all sorts of live stereo loops and samples, another artist wanted stereo feeds from his Buchla Easel and effects. *No* sound mixer should abandon the console, they need to be on top of the main and monitor mixes. Cueing via headphones *really* helped my get a handle on what was really coming off the stage. I got compliments on that technique from singers and KB players alike. It comes down to professionalism, even if the mix isn't that good, the fact that the mixer is trying (and present!) makes musicians feel more at ease. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 21:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11619; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:04:35 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN In-reply-to: <3B5872A6.E913E27C@zerocrossing.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> <3B5872A6.E913E27C@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:04 AM -0700 7/20/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >While we're on the subject, WHAT THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH ENGINEERS >THAT FEEL THEY NEED TO DRIVE THE SYSTEM TO THE POINT OF DISTORTION?! I once attended an Einsturzende Neubauten performance during which I was seated in the front row of the balcony, directly above the console. Throughout their set the peak indicators on the VU meters were rarely NOT blinking red. On another occasion I was mixing for the industrial band Rhythm and Noise, on a two-night stand in a smallish venue. The first night I cranked it as much as I felt I could justify, making sure that the signal levels were below distortion. I got complaints that it wasn't loud enough, so the next night I plugged my ears and pushed the levels up into total distortion. The audience was much happier. However - before the gig started that night I noticed a couple with a small child and I advised them that they were about to endanger their child's hearing and that they should leave immediately. That was the last high intensity gig I ever did, but for ten or more years after that I continued to mix live concerts at very polite levels. Nevertheless, for the last few years I have suffered from continuous tinnitus, and I will live with this until I die. People who mix or listen to music at high levels are either stupid, irresponsible, or sadomasochistic. When you are 25 the ringing may stop a few days after a loud gig, but when you are 50 it will come back to haunt you, even without additional exposure. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 22:21:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15501; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200107210219.WAA24875@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:23:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: RE: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DB563@migarexch01.marit z.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And all of this begs the question...are musicians failed sound engineers?


Frank
www.dreamchildmusic.com

At 04:23 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote:

** ya know=A0 . . . it was just pointing out the fact that the sound people that are being discussed=A0 - - and dissed - - may be players whose day job is doing sound. someone else called them "failed musicians" and i pointed out that many people here could be considered to be failed by similar criteria.

i have a day job and don't consider failed myself, ya know? so why would i consider ives to be "failed"=A0 - - or mussorgsky, or myriad other people who have had families and day jobs AND did music.

(for that matter, most musicians who play for a living ARE doing a day job, they're not doing THEIR music, they're doing someone else's. some teach or write about music, it's all cool by me.)

the short answer: NO

stig

would you consider Charles Ives a "failed musician" then?


=A0 ** ya know . . . almost everyone on this list
> who has a day job could be considered a
> >=A0 "falied=A0 musician" - - glass houses and all.


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 23:59:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26919; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tim Goodwin" To: Subject: RE: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200107201844.OAA30318@www.editev.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doppler effect? -- TG -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stereo looping (was Re: DON'T TRUST THE SOUND MAN) I can't remember this name either, I have it on the tip of my tongue. The "something" effect. Damn. What is that name? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 00:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28869; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c1119c$05ebe2c0$7d106420@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <002901c11165$83eb75a0$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Subject: Re: New Line6 delay/looper Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:17:11 -0700 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C11161.5739F300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 04:14:21.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E417EA0:01C1119B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C11161.5739F300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool, but no digital I/O? Besides the extra RAM on the delay modeler, = doesn't look that much better than the floor models. MIDI is nice, but = it's no deal maker... Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tardy=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: New Line6 delay/looper For those interested, the new "Pro" rackmount versions of the Line6 = modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in Nashville. Looks like = the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second loop sampler. = http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/StudioMo= delersmain.htm No details yet as to how the start/stop/overdub/etc features can be = acessed. =20 MBear ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C11161.5739F300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool, but no digital I/O?  Besides = the extra=20 RAM on the delay modeler, doesn't look that much better than the floor=20 models.  MIDI is nice, but it's no deal maker...
 
    Kevin
 
Unit Circle Media
http://www.unitcircle.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tardy=20
To: Loopers Delight =
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 = 2:46 PM
Subject: New Line6 = delay/looper

For those interested, the new "Pro" = rackmount=20 versions of the Line6 modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in=20 Nashville.  Looks like the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second = loop=20 sampler.  http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/Studi= oModelerRollout/StudioModelersmain.htm
No details yet as to how the=20 start/stop/overdub/etc features can be acessed. 
 
MBear
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C11161.5739F300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 02:08:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02259; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.64.17] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <002901c11165$83eb75a0$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> <002b01c1119c$05ebe2c0$7d106420@vaio> Subject: Re: New Line6 delay/looper Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:06:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11170.8EB795D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 06:05:54.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[336632A0:01C111AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11170.8EB795D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If all parameters are MIDI editable/storeable, you can store 99 presets = (vs. 4), the looper were stereo, and it could handle line level = effectively, I'd upgrade my DL4 without battin' an eye! Heck, just = getting the knobs off the floor would probably make me more apt to = leverage the variety of delay models (getting so old I hate bending over = my pedal with a guitar slung around my back, so my DL4 pretty much stays = on the looper setting). Anyone notice the Filter Pro Models that they're mimicing? = Specifically: "Electrix Filter Factory". Already a classic... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Goldsmith=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: Re: New Line6 delay/looper Cool, but no digital I/O? Besides the extra RAM on the delay modeler, = doesn't look that much better than the floor models. MIDI is nice, but = it's no deal maker... Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tardy=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: New Line6 delay/looper For those interested, the new "Pro" rackmount versions of the Line6 = modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in Nashville. Looks like = the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second loop sampler. = http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/StudioMo= delersmain.htm No details yet as to how the start/stop/overdub/etc features can be = acessed. =20 MBear ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11170.8EB795D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If all parameters are MIDI = editable/storeable,=20 you can store 99 presets (vs. 4), the looper were stereo, and it = could=20 handle line level effectively, I'd upgrade my DL4 without battin'=20 an eye!  Heck, just getting the knobs off the floor would = probably=20 make me more apt to leverage the variety of delay models (getting so old = I hate=20 bending over my pedal with a guitar slung around my back, so my DL4 = pretty much=20 stays on the looper setting).
 
Anyone notice the Filter Pro Models = that they're=20 mimicing?  Specifically: "Electrix Filter Factory".  Already a = classic...
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kevin=20 Goldsmith
To: Loopers Delight =
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 = 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: New Line6 = delay/looper

Cool, but no digital I/O?  = Besides the extra=20 RAM on the delay modeler, doesn't look that much better than the floor = models.  MIDI is nice, but it's no deal maker...
 
    Kevin
 
Unit Circle Media
http://www.unitcircle.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tardy=20
To: Loopers Delight =
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 = 2:46=20 PM
Subject: New Line6 = delay/looper

For those interested, the new "Pro" = rackmount=20 versions of the Line6 modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in = Nashville.  Looks like the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second = loop=20 sampler.  http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/Studi= oModelerRollout/StudioModelersmain.htm
No details yet as to how the=20 start/stop/overdub/etc features can be acessed. 
 
MBear
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11170.8EB795D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 03:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04926; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:23:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:28:18 -0700 Subject: Re: New Line6 delay/looper From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c11165$83eb75a0$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078520098_205788_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078520098_205788_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Clock sync was my number one wish for the Line6 pedals (and in fact was the reason that the only one I own right now is the distortion modeler). On the other hand, I was getting tempted by the DL4 and MM4 to replace some rack mount equipment because I get tired of running control signals in and out, hauling a rack around, etc.. I guess I'm just incapable of being happy. These do at least look pretty interesting. Mark on 7/20/01 2:46 PM, Tardy at tardy@midsouth.rr.com wrote: For those interested, the new "Pro" rackmount versions of the Line6 modeler pedals were announced today at NAMM in Nashville. Looks like the new "Echo Pro" will have a 60 second loop sampler. http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buzz/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/StudioModel ersmain.htm No details yet as to how the start/stop/overdub/etc features can be acessed. MBear --MS_Mac_OE_3078520098_205788_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: New Line6 delay/looper Clock sync was my number one wish for the Line6 pedals (and in fact was the= reason that the only one I own right now is the distortion modeler). On the= other hand, I was getting tempted by the DL4 and MM4 to replace some rack m= ount equipment because I get tired of running control signals in and out, ha= uling a rack around, etc.. I guess I'm just incapable of being happy.

These do at least look pretty interesting.

Mark

on 7/20/01 2:46 PM, Tardy at tardy@midsouth.rr.com wrote:

For those interested, the new= "Pro" rackmount versions of the Line6 modeler pedals were announc= ed today at NAMM in Nashville.  Looks like the new "Echo Pro"= will have a 60 second loop sampler.  http://www.line6.com/Main/The_Buz= z/Hot_News/StudioModelerRollout/StudioModelersmain.htm
No details yet as to how the start/stop/overdub/etc features can be acessed= .  
MBear


--MS_Mac_OE_3078520098_205788_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 04:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07727; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019b01c111c0$1cca5660$f844f93f@dnlsh01> From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" To: References: <200107201659.MAA31084@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:35:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kevin wrote: "Cool, but no digital I/O? Besides the extra RAM on the delay modeler, doesn't look that much better than the floor models. MIDI is nice, but it's no deal maker..." Actually, I jumped for joy when I heard that they have midi. On our recent tour I told somebody, "if the DL-4 had midi syncing, I would dump every one of my Jampersons in an instant". A queery: does the midi implementaion actually include syncing? I assume it does but it might just be for midi controller info. A second queery: how much for these puppies. It doesn't seem to say at the Line 6 site. An observation: the Line 6 Filter module got roundly thrashed when the first .wav files were posted of examples on the Line 6 website. I, too, was really disappointed. I just spent a half hour with one in Union Grove Music yesterday. There is not a tremendous amount of normal useability in this pedal (but then I have always thought that filtered wahs and envelope followers were really cheesy sounding in funk) but, let me tell you, there is some serious assed wierd in these pedals. I actually dug the hell out of it and am saving my pennies (when are these damn companies going to give me an endorsement ;-) to buy one. Plus, it's purple.........say no more, nudge, nudge, wink,wink!! Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 08:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16374; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a101c111e0$3b04c780$101086d9@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: OT: CENTROZOON - Promo CD Giveaway! Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7q1mMC.A.p_D.GUXW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (My apologies for any inadvertent cross-posting)... CENTROZOON are giving away 100 free copies of the Limited Edition CD: The Divine Beast! This rare Promo CD contains 20+ minutes of new material culled from the much anticipated album - The Cult Of: Bibbiboo. Housed in a beautifully designed cardboard sleeve, the disc comes complete with a cool self-adhesive Bibbiboo sticker! This is a time limited offer (running from 20th July - 20th August) supplying applicants on a first-come first-served basis. To register your claim simply visit www.centrozoon.de/giveaway while stocks last. In other CENTROZOON news: Further to the success of this month's remix launch @ www.mp3.com/fletchertronics & www.mp3.com/centrozoon a second mix (by Ian Boddy) has now been uploaded to MP3.com. In addition to the above URLs a special Remix Station has been created to house these and future CENTROZOON interpretations: www.mp3.com/stations/bibbibooremixes Finally, the enhanced reissue of Sun Lounge Debris is now set for late September on Burning Shed Records. Watch www.burningshed.com for further news. Best wishes, Lee Fletcher (on behalf of CENTROZOON) www.centrozoon.de www.bibbiboo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 10:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20604; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:12:35 EDT Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d9.179ef4f1.288ae7d3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d9.179ef4f1.288ae7d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scott.....welcome!.....go to the tools of the trade section of LD and you will get a run down on a good number of looping tools.....i myself use a boomerang very very user friendly.....:)m --part1_d9.179ef4f1.288ae7d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scott.....welcome!.....go to the tools of the trade section of LD and you
will get a run down on a good number of looping tools.....i myself use a
boomerang very very user friendly.....:)m --part1_d9.179ef4f1.288ae7d3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 10:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20816; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c111f0$7ded2000$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:21:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: <20OlrD.A.GFF.A9YW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Assuming you have permission to use amplification for street performance (not all cities will let you use an amp even of its own power)..good luck finding a sampling/delay pedal or two that run on 9V..anyone know of battery powered besides the good old Digitech 8000? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Anderson" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? > Sorry if I sent this already! > > Hello, everyone. > I joined the list a couple days ago. > I found the list after remembering the time a couple years ago when I saw > at a bookstore a man named Samite perform a traditional African song by > layering his voice live, singing the different parts and then singing the > lead over top. I think what he used was a Echoplex Digital Pro. That is my > familiarity in person with such a live multi-layering device, although I > have heard of another, the Jam Man. > I apologize if my questions are overly basic: > What device or equipment would people recommend as the most user friendly > editing and arranging-wise or versatile effects-wise for live performance, > such as street performance or busking, of music made by improvised layering > and editing of singing and vocal sounds (like beat box or a cappella > extraterrestrial techno) or vocals with acoustic guitar? > Does anyone on this list have experience or interest in street performance > or busking? > Also: > How can I try out in person any devices or equipment that people > recommend? The Sam Ash store in Edison, New Jersey said I would have to buy > the Digital Pro if they tried to order it for me to try. > Does anyone on this list live in or near New Jersey? > Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice or suggestions. > Feel free to respond to my personal email, if you prefer: > scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com > Scott > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 10:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21118; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:24:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:24:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.18284428.288aea4e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:23:10 EDT Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_33.18284428.288aea4e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_33.18284428.288aea4e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/01 10:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seahorse@channel1.com writes: > And all of this begs the question...are musicians failed sound engineers? > excellent point frank!.....i find myself being drawn more toward manipulating "sound" rather than playing an "instrument" (not that musicians dont manipulate sound) you know what i mean, i hope.....:)m --part1_33.18284428.288aea4e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/01 10:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
seahorse@channel1.com writes:


And all of this begs the question...are musicians failed sound engineers?


excellent point frank!.....i find myself being drawn more toward manipulating
"sound" rather than playing an "instrument" (not that musicians dont
manipulate sound) you know what i mean, i hope.....:)m --part1_33.18284428.288aea4e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 11:01:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23325; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:00:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c111f5$81b0ec80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <001e01c111f0$7ded2000$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:57:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <3vVUNB.A.LsF.6jZW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's the old DOD DFX94, basically a 4-second delay pedal with an "infinite repeat" setting. It lets you loop 8 or 9 layers comfortably. A 9-volt battery will last a couple of hours (ouch!). Not competition for an EDP or Boomerang, but if power's a problem... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jehn" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? > Assuming you have permission to use amplification for street performance > (not all cities will let you use an amp even of its own power)..good luck > finding a sampling/delay pedal or two that run on 9V..anyone know of battery > powered besides the good old Digitech 8000? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Anderson" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:01 PM > Subject: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? > > > > Sorry if I sent this already! > > > > Hello, everyone. > > I joined the list a couple days ago. > > I found the list after remembering the time a couple years ago when I > saw > > at a bookstore a man named Samite perform a traditional African song by > > layering his voice live, singing the different parts and then singing the > > lead over top. I think what he used was a Echoplex Digital Pro. That is > my > > familiarity in person with such a live multi-layering device, although I > > have heard of another, the Jam Man. > > I apologize if my questions are overly basic: > > What device or equipment would people recommend as the most user > friendly > > editing and arranging-wise or versatile effects-wise for live performance, > > such as street performance or busking, of music made by improvised > layering > > and editing of singing and vocal sounds (like beat box or a cappella > > extraterrestrial techno) or vocals with acoustic guitar? > > Does anyone on this list have experience or interest in street > performance > > or busking? > > Also: > > How can I try out in person any devices or equipment that people > > recommend? The Sam Ash store in Edison, New Jersey said I would have to > buy > > the Digital Pro if they tried to order it for me to try. > > Does anyone on this list live in or near New Jersey? > > Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice or > suggestions. > > Feel free to respond to my personal email, if you prefer: > > scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com > > Scott > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 11:45:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24647; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.203.68.37] From: "Frederic Abraham" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 sampler Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:42:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 15:42:44.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8F1AE30:01C111FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! I have a question regarding the "sound-on-sound" feature of the Boss RC-20. Would you people know if it's possible to record a phrase and play it more than once: say, you play the loop once and you overlay the same loop over by pushing the "play" button a bit later. If so, how many times could you do this? indefinitely? Thanks, Fred _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 11:56:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24999; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:55:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:55:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003001c11180$bfa915a0$5b122818@norr1.pa.home.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010720130021.00ac79d0@mail.dragonet.es> <003001c11180$bfa915a0$5b122818@norr1.pa.home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:56:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: MOST SOUND MEN ARE.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > blues/rock guitar maestro Steve Pryor from tulsa,ok told me once after i >began working as a soundman that > most soundmen are >failed musicians. thats not too bad, the bigger problem are the "succeded" roadies that never made music and cannot profit from their muscles to improve the mix... Failed inventors also can be sound engineers. I did a lot of mixing while Gibson was taking its time to figure out where to manufacture the EDP next :-) But the experiences may have been of importance: > *No* sound mixer should abandon the console, they need to be on top of >the main and monitor mixes. I agree. Once the basic sound is set up, I also walk through the area to get an idea about how everyone gets the sound. Especially at open air shows since often the mixing desk is above the ground and people sitting on the ground get a lot more bass. >Cueing via headphones *really* helped my get a handle on >what was really coming off the stage. Also agreed. I use the phones about half the time so i can care for the public close to the speakers and balance vocal mixes by learning what each singer brings. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 12:01:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26242; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> References: <29.17e3e909.2888feda@aol.com> <005701c110e9$6b9c14e0$0a0c28d5@dolly> <3B59025B.949EB271@zerocrossing.net> <004301c1113c$bf67b7c0$6b44230a@melon> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:01:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Live stereo looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found that out of phase cancelation is much less of a problem with a stereo mix (unless the PA is all on one side which is not realistic on most stages). Sure, heavy panning destroys the mix for those that listen off center (i don't like it on CDs either), but a light panning add intelligibility and improves the phase problem because the cancelation of certain frequencies never hits all instruments at once. Imagine: Full cancelation happens when the difference of distance from the two speakers is exactly half (or 1,5...) the wave length AND both sources arrive with the same level. So when you have most instruments paned differently, they never cancel simultaneously while cancelations of some details naturally add to the space experience and do not create the "agony" as mono out of two speakers can. Stereo looping is more complex because you do not only need a stereo looper but pan the instruments into it. In case of a single instrument/player it means that either the musician has to change panning before each overdub or the mixing person has to have access to the loop sends, which is hardly ever the case, is it? Or you have enough loopers so the mixing person can pan the output of each one - while you could be playing... all depends on stile, equipment and intention I had a pan control on the floor and operated it for a while and the result was much better recordings (as on my CDR Jejum") but for the public it did not make that much of a difference and I ended up preferring to carry only one EDP and concentrate on other controls that change sound more drastically and such express more. Sound jumping all around the place is fun and may express something but for most situations seems to distracting from the "real" content, IMHO. Mono sound from one speaker is ok, but reverb is not! To create space, stereo is a must! A mono reverb is doing almost the opposit: instead of opening the perception, it soups all up. So my dry signal is often mono, but the reverb never. And i met a lot of stereo sound systems where they have been lazy to hook up the second output of the reverb or did not pan them right or thought a reverb output is only stereo when the input is stereo... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 12:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27286; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.81.16.168] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:34:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 16:34:43.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BAC07F0:01C11203] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Yo guys, I have the pretty purple line 6 filter modeler and it is whacky for sure.  I have it running through one of my Godin Guitar outputs to the filter modeler through DL4 into a Boomerang into an amp.  The other guitar output runs through a GT 5, EDP, jamman, and GR30....  Who needs the Repeater?  Well oooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The more the merrier.............   Hey Rick You coming over yet????    I am trying to get the Handsonic to control the Korg synth moduals    Haven't figured it out yet....  Nice problem to have.....I wanna quit my job and work in my Looping Labratory......I'm getting wayyyyyyyyyyyyyout there.......... Miko come over and check it out!!!!!!!! Om and OUT

                                                     Papa Dave




Uncle-Brother-Papa Dave
>From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)"
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:35:29 -0700
>
>kevin wrote:
>"Cool, but no digital I/O? Besides the extra RAM on the delay modeler,
>doesn't look that much better than the floor models. MIDI is nice, but it's
>no deal maker..."
>
>
>Actually, I jumped for joy when I heard that they have midi. On our recent
>tour I told somebody, "if the DL-4 had midi syncing, I would dump every one
>of my Jampersons in an instant".
>
>A queery: does the midi implementaion actually include syncing? I assume
>it does but it might just be for midi controller info.
>
>A second queery: how much for these puppies. It doesn't seem to say at the
>Line 6 site.
>
>An observation: the Line 6 Filter module got roundly thrashed when the
>first .wav files were posted of examples on the Line 6 website.
>I, too, was really disappointed.
>
>I just spent a half hour with one in
>Union Grove Music yesterday.
>There is not a tremendous amount of normal useability in this pedal (but
>then I have always thought that
>filtered wahs and envelope followers were really cheesy sounding in funk)
>but, let me tell you, there is some serious assed wierd in these pedals.
>I actually dug the hell out of it and am saving my pennies (when are these
>damn companies going to give me an endorsement ;-) to buy one.
>Plus, it's purple.........say no more, nudge, nudge, wink,wink!!
>
>Rick Walker (loop.pool)
>
>
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 14:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32250; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:03:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:03:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:02:40 EDT Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tom, i can contact the knit/tonic, if you'd like --- though it'll be a few days to a week, before i do. so: 1) how many loopers; who? 2) any dj's interested? 3) who will be 'production manager/coordinator'? etc etc. i'm not free, myself, until september 15th, or so. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 14:15:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32540; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:12:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i can contact the knit/tonic, if you'd like --- though it'll be a few days to >a week, before i do. >so: >1) how many loopers; who? so far the following have expressed interest: myself David Lee Myers todd reynolds Steve Sandberg dt >2) any dj's interested? Gee, an interesting point! I know a lot of good DJs but none who loop... >3) who will be 'production manager/coordinator'? I can do this. >etc etc. >i'm not free, myself, until september 15th, or so. Just as well. I need to relaunch extreme NY radio (yes, I am working on this... I think it will be worth the wait) and I have to make my new show (adding the Buchla Thunder and the K2600 and, conceivably, a Repeater, a new looper, have you heard about it?) So September is just the right time. Steve Sandburg has volunteered to contact the Knit, but, hey, more volume never hurts. I have a nodding acquaintance with E# (I've a cut on State of the Union 2.001 and he's on my mailing list) but don't think I'm in a position to book it... hint, hint. /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 14:47:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01102; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: FS: Zoom 508 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:46:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello you Repeater hungry loopers-- I snagged this 4 second delay unit new at Sam Ash but even tho it is cool enough for the price, I can't wean myself off the EDP (still need a good second looper tho, unless Harvey Starr has finished the internal sequencer for the Ztar--I was hoping this one would serve as such, but alas no). It's brand new and battery powered, still got the warrantee card, and I would like to offer it for sale for what I paid for it, or close! $50 and you pay the shipping--if you're in LA, come and get it! Still no word from Denis, I wonder how his out-of-doors experience went. As far as the "sound man as failed musician" thread, I think a good sound man is "playing" music the same way a non-instrumentalist using delay lines is--so it's all music if you think it sounds good! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 14:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01385; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c11217$bc37b600$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8cCPrC.A.dV.rAdW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford > >i can contact the knit/tonic, if you'd like --- though it'll be a few days to > >a week, before i do. > >so: > >1) how many loopers; who? > > so far the following have expressed interest: > > myself > David Lee Myers > todd reynolds > Steve Sandberg > dt and me too: David Beardsley David Beardsley http://mp3.com/DavidBeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 15:12:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02889; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:10:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:10:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:09:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: hosting looper's delight site? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should add that I provide completely free domain hosting for a lot of artists, theatrical companies, galleries and musicians. I need a server for my own purposes and its capacity mainly goes unused. It lives in a dedicated facility somewhere in NJ, it's a Cobalt RaQ 3 if that means anything to you... it has the usual array of services (cgi, many email addresses, even servlets/JSP) I host over 70 domains right now. Of course, most of them get very few hits indeed. The usual deal is I do it for free as long as you don't get "too many hits". (no one has yet hit this number) and a promise of "something" if you "make it big" (no one has done this EITHER but I do get into a lot of shows for free). I don't know how many hits Looper's Delight gets, but it can't be that many...? Anyway, I got the impression it's costing someone money to host it, money that should be spent on gear (or food or whatever...) The same sort of offer goes for members of the list, if you have a personal domain or two you want hosted... CAVEAT: It's all very informal so no guarantees, but in fact my uptimes have in fact been very good and performance quite acceptable. /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 15:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03003; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:12:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009f01c11217$bc37b600$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> References: <009f01c11217$bc37b600$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:10:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and me too: David Beardsley yes, right, you said, er, I was just, er, testing your memory? oops. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 16:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07129; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:24:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:24:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:10:59 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:12 PM -0400 7/21/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >so far the following have expressed interest: > > myself > David Lee Myers > todd reynolds > Steve Sandberg > dt Say hi to Todd for me. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 17:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10720; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:51:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107211815.OAA32617@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078582680_32726_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078582680_32726_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I sent an e-mal to the Knit today, asking for an evening (2 or 3 sets) -- We haven't thought about a production coordinator yet -- Judging by past response, I should hear from Matt (the booking guy) within a few days -- --MS_Mac_OE_3078582680_32726_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to I sent an e-mal to the Knit today, asking for an evening (2 = or 3 sets) --
We haven't thought about a production coordinator yet --
Judging by past response, I should hear from Matt (the booking guy) within = a few days --
 --MS_Mac_OE_3078582680_32726_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 18:14:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12381; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:14:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP sync?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4r6ga.A.OBD.a5fW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Another bug. >After Ive set up a stereo loop on 2 EDPs >I sometimes like to put the slave into reverse. >This works when using the Insert switch for reverse, >but if I use the Parameter to P1 and hit Undo method >nothing happens except that all the LEDS go out. > >is this Normal? > >andy butler congratulations andy! If I remember right this was the first bug that Andre discovered years ago. I am sorry about it but lucky there is such an easy work arround. I fixed it long ago. Then Claude found the second: a problem with switching incoming MIDIclock on an off. And recently you found that Multiply-Insert-Undo does not always work, which was known from the start, I should not have allowed this combination. And there are no other bugs in the 5.0 version, are there? You found them quickly! wana apply as beta tester? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 18:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12738; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:23:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010721162806.007ff100@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:28:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? In-Reply-To: <001e01c111f0$7ded2000$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The DL-4 is battery powered. Smiles, G-Girl At 10:21 AM 7/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >Assuming you have permission to use amplification for street performance >(not all cities will let you use an amp even of its own power)..good luck >finding a sampling/delay pedal or two that run on 9V..anyone know of battery >powered besides the good old Digitech 8000? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Anderson" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:01 PM >Subject: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? > > >> Sorry if I sent this already! >> >> Hello, everyone. >> I joined the list a couple days ago. >> I found the list after remembering the time a couple years ago when I >saw >> at a bookstore a man named Samite perform a traditional African song by >> layering his voice live, singing the different parts and then singing the >> lead over top. I think what he used was a Echoplex Digital Pro. That is >my >> familiarity in person with such a live multi-layering device, although I >> have heard of another, the Jam Man. >> I apologize if my questions are overly basic: >> What device or equipment would people recommend as the most user >friendly >> editing and arranging-wise or versatile effects-wise for live performance, >> such as street performance or busking, of music made by improvised >layering >> and editing of singing and vocal sounds (like beat box or a cappella >> extraterrestrial techno) or vocals with acoustic guitar? >> Does anyone on this list have experience or interest in street >performance >> or busking? >> Also: >> How can I try out in person any devices or equipment that people >> recommend? The Sam Ash store in Edison, New Jersey said I would have to >buy >> the Digital Pro if they tried to order it for me to try. >> Does anyone on this list live in or near New Jersey? >> Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate any advice or >suggestions. >> Feel free to respond to my personal email, if you prefer: >> scott_c_anderson@hotmail.com >> Scott >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 18:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13620; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:48:36 -0700 From: Mark Organization: zerocrossing inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I must say the delay modeler does look sweet, but I wish they would be more forthcoming about some of the details. Are they saying 60 sec of midi synchable stereo looping? That would be sweet. Will they beat the Repeater to market? We will see. Mark Sottilaro David Potter wrote: > > > Yo guys, I have the pretty purple line 6 filter modeler and it is > whacky for sure. I have it running through one of my Godin Guitar > outputs to the filter modeler through DL4 into a Boomerang into an > amp. The other guitar output runs through a GT 5, EDP, jamman, and > GR30.... Who needs the Repeater? Well > oooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more the > merrier............. Hey Rick You coming over yet???? I am trying > to get the Handsonic to control the Korg synth moduals Haven't > figured it out yet.... Nice problem to have.....I wanna quit my job > and work in my Looping Labratory......I'm getting wayyyyyyyyyyyyyout > there.......... Miko come over and check it out!!!!!!!! Om and OUT > > Papa Dave > > > > Uncle-Brother-Papa Dave>From: "Rick Walker \(loop.pool\)" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:35:29 -0700 > > > >kevin wrote: > >"Cool, but no digital I/O? Besides the extra RAM on the delay > modeler, > >doesn't look that much better than the floor models. MIDI is nice, > but it's > >no deal maker..." > > > > > >Actually, I jumped for joy when I heard that they have midi. On our > recent > >tour I told somebody, "if the DL-4 had midi syncing, I would dump > every one > >of my Jampersons in an instant". > > > >A queery: does the midi implementaion actually include syncing? I > assume > >it does but it might just be for midi controller info. > > > >A second queery: how much for these puppies. It doesn't seem to say > at the > >Line 6 site. > > > >An observation: the Line 6 Filter module got roundly thrashed when > the > >first .wav files were posted of examples on the Line 6 website. > >I, too, was really disappointed. > > > >I just spent a half hour with one in > >Union Grove Music yesterday. > >There is not a tremendous amount of normal useability in this pedal > (but > >then I have always thought that > >filtered wahs and envelope followers were really cheesy sounding in > funk) > >but, let me tell you, there is some serious assed wierd in these > pedals. > >I actually dug the hell out of it and am saving my pennies (when are > these > >damn companies going to give me an endorsement ;-) to buy one. > >Plus, it's purple.........say no more, nudge, nudge, wink,wink!! > > > >Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:05:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15144; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef lear To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: sp-303 and midi control Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:03:28 -0500 Message-Id: <20010721230328.23221@beastie.leapnet.com> In-Reply-To: <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> References: <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi. my only exposure to midi is on those websites with flashing gifs and bunnies that hop. my query is this: i own a sp-303 (which i'm well pleased with) and want to trigger samples with my feet both live and recording. since i am not familiar with the specifics of midi, i was wondering if it was possible to use a foot controller with said device. if the foot controller is an impossibility could someone recommend an alternate solution, apart from running my own triggers out from the pads inside the sp-303? if it's a lost cause with the 303 can someone detail what they do with their samples when their hands are full? thanks alot. this is a great community. jf ps. be gentle, i'm new and did search the archives. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:16:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15492; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:14:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <43d02C.A.uxD.kzgW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I sent an e-mal to the Knit today, asking for an evening (2 or 3 sets) -- >We haven't thought about a production coordinator yet -- 3 sets, hmm...? how long is that? we have a lot of interest already. I can certainly handle the logistical details, getting fliers designed and printed (distribution will take some legwork which I can do part of, hint hint...) /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:29:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15933; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010721232822.1009.qmail@web5103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alx Subject: Re: New LIne 6 rackmounts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope the delays have the "hold" function, really useful I think. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16525; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c1123f$5527dd00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:46:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be interested..would be a great excuse to visit my bro in L.I. Jehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together > >i can contact the knit/tonic, if you'd like --- though it'll be a few days to > >a week, before i do. > >so: > >1) how many loopers; who? > > so far the following have expressed interest: > > myself > David Lee Myers > todd reynolds > Steve Sandberg > dt > > > >2) any dj's interested? > > Gee, an interesting point! I know a lot of good DJs but none who > loop... > > > > >3) who will be 'production manager/coordinator'? > > I can do this. > > > >etc etc. > >i'm not free, myself, until september 15th, or so. > > Just as well. I need to relaunch extreme NY radio (yes, > I am working on this... I think it will be worth the wait) > and I have to make my new show (adding the Buchla Thunder > and the K2600 and, conceivably, a Repeater, a new looper, > have you heard about it?) > > So September is just the right time. > > > Steve Sandburg has volunteered to contact the Knit, but, > hey, more volume never hurts. > > I have a nodding acquaintance with E# (I've a cut on > State of the Union 2.001 and he's on my mailing list) > but don't think I'm in a position to book it... hint, > hint. > > /t > > > > .......all legal games of chess ...... > .....programmer's documentation .................. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:49:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16822; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:47:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Assuming you have permission to use amplification for street performance > (not all cities will let you use an amp even of its own power)..good luck > finding a sampling/delay pedal or two that run on 9V..anyone know of battery > powered besides the good old Digitech 8000? I use the ever popular Line6 for street performances. The batteries that come with it are horrible, but I've had good luck with those new "computer thingy" batteries--I think they're metal hydrous. I haven't tried using rechargables yet, but that's next on my list. TH -- NEW official Electrochakra website: http://www.electrochakra.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 19:55:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17156; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c1123f$5527dd00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> References: <002001c1123f$5527dd00$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:53:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would be interested..would be a great excuse to visit my bro in L.I. David Beardsley Jehn David Lee Myers Todd Reynolds Tom Ritchford Steve Sandberg David Torn so far quite a few people... I've been surprised about the interest audience-type-people have had in the idea. A friend wrote: At 3:19 PM -0700 7/21/01, marie m wrote: >bet there'd be a ton of interest. > >[I asked why?] > >well, you need to make it sexy and non-academic. ie, >the 6th ave things sound academic to me.they may not >be but they sound that way. even unity gain is a bit >academic for me, and for many others i think, which is >why we only ever see the usual suspects there. of >course unity gain is sexy enough that _all_ the usual >suspects come to that. but it needs to be at least as >sexy as that, but a little more so. it will draw >crowds initially among the usual because it won't be >the usual people playing, which will annoy and entice. >expect some initial opposition from the UG type crowd. >embrace the kiddies instead. make it playful. .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 20:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19363; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010721202134.007c7450@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:21:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Voice looping and loopers in New Jersey? In-Reply-To: <001e01c111f0$7ded2000$cd8a2141@cfl.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM 7/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >anyone know of battery >powered besides the good old Digitech 8000? The RC-20 can also run on batt'ries, but I don't know how long they'd last. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 20:58:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20305; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010721205454.007d8380@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:54:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: RC-20 sampler In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:42 PM 7/21/01, Fred wrote: >I have a question regarding the "sound-on-sound" feature of the Boss RC-20. >Would you people know if it's possible to record a phrase and play it more >than once: say, you play the loop once and you overlay the same loop over by >pushing the "play" button a bit later. Yes. >If so, how many times could you do this? indefinitely? In volatile memory it will stay there until you turn the power off or clear the loop by holding down either one of the footswitches for two seconds. If it's a 'keeper' that you'll want to use again another day, you can write the loop to one of the non-volatile storage locations; you can store up to ten loops and a one-shot for a total of five and a half minutes sample time. Once they've been written, they'll stay after the power is off (unless you lose power while recording or playing back a loop; then, according to the manual, bad things can happen to the stored loops. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it will.) I'm not all too crazy about the RC-20's interface, but I love the reverse feature and am especially happy about being able to play long lines into it without worrying about running out of time. Of course, I'm still using my short loopers too. (I'm post-processing the SDD-1000 with the new, more affordably priced Electrix FilterQueen. Yeehaw.) Now here's a mostly irrelevant (or at least inconsequential) observation about the RC-20: in early June I was present for the delivery of an RC-20 from the initial batch that was shipped to stores. When the new arrival was lifted from its box, I distinctly (think I) remember that it was red. A REAL red, a robust hue, somewhere well within the scarlet/crimson neighborhood. I got my RC-20 last week, from the next batch. It appears to come more from the magenta/dark pink part of town. Has anyone else noticed a color difference between shipments, or is it just my 'magination? -t ps: Matt Davignon's comments about me dressing as the ganja fairy notwithstanding, I'm secure enough in my masculinity to use a pink looping pedal with impunity... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 21:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21936; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:15:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:15:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010721211306.007daa60@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:13:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... In-Reply-To: References: <20010715.224131.-202995.1.tony-moore@juno.com> <20010715.224131.-202995.1.tony-moore@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently added an RC-20 and a creepy little DFX94 to the Headrush and SDD-1000 I'd already been using. Since my board (a 12 channel Spirit Folio) only has two aux sends, I've been experimenting with different ways of connecting it all for maximum versatility. Right now, the DFX94 is before the board so it can be in series with any of the others, the SDD-1000 is in one of the auxes and comes back (through a filter) to its own channel, and the Headrush and the RC-20 share the other send via an ABY, each returning to its own channel. This way I can have up to four separate unsynched loops happening simultaneously, each with its own EQ and fader. With the aux send controls on THOSE channels, it can get even weirder, routing signals from one looper to another. I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to connect it all, though. How have you guys approached using a massed pile of several simple loopers in combination (as opposed to a more multi-functioned device like the EDP)? -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 21:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22492; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:33:00 EDT Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.9895fc8.288b874c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d6.9895fc8.288b874c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys: I'm a ny based saxaphone clarinet mandolin and keyboard playing loopist and lawyer who is not quite ready for prime time as a looper but who would be happy to help with legwork/promotion or legal work (should that be necessary) - Please email me off list if you think there is anything I can assist with - Harry --part1_d6.9895fc8.288b874c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys:  I'm a ny based saxaphone clarinet mandolin and keyboard playing
loopist and lawyer who is not quite ready for prime time as a looper but who
would be happy to help with legwork/promotion or legal work (should that be
necessary) - Please email me off list if you think there is anything I can
assist with -  Harry --part1_d6.9895fc8.288b874c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 22:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25145; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010721230328.23221@beastie.leapnet.com> References: <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> <3B5AAF84.ED0A3AAD@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:20:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sp-303 and midi control Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:03 PM -0700 7/21/01, jef lear wrote: >my query is this: >i own a sp-303 (which i'm well pleased with) >and want to trigger samples with my feet both >live and recording. since i am not familiar >with the specifics of midi, i was wondering >if it was possible to use a foot controller >with said device. this is possible with a full-featured midi pedal. Basically, you need one that can send midi note-on messages. That includes pedals like digitech pmc-10, rocktron AllAccess, lake-butler midigator, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10. It does NOT include pedals that only send program change messages, and are really meant just for changing patches on rack mount multi-effects. (digital music ground control is in that category, for example.) It seems that many of the best midi pedals are out of production. look around for them used. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 22:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25210; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:24:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: jef lear To: !! loopers delight mailing list Subject: Re: sp-303 and midi control Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:22:44 -0500 Message-Id: <20010722022244.17039@beastie.leapnet.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5LF18C.A.nJG.YkjW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 4:03 PM -0700 7/21/01, jef lear wrote: >>my query is this: >>i own a sp-303 (which i'm well pleased with) >>and want to trigger samples with my feet both >>live and recording. since i am not familiar >>with the specifics of midi, i was wondering >>if it was possible to use a foot controller >>with said device. > >this is possible with a full-featured midi pedal. Basically, you need one thank you so much!! youve given me hope! you rock! (in a looper sort of way) jef From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 23:50:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28695; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:49:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to From: Steve Sandberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200107220226.WAA25365@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3078604188_1326366_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3078604188_1326366_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So that's 7 people already who are interested -- doesn't seem like 2 or 3 sets would do it. Anyone have any idea how to organize this? I'm terrible at organization, but am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue -- Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites? 3? Help! --MS_Mac_OE_3078604188_1326366_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to So that's 7 people already who are interested -- doesn't see= m like 2 or 3 sets would do it.
Anyone have any idea how to organize this?  I'm terrible at organizati= on, but am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue --
Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites?  3?  Help! --MS_Mac_OE_3078604188_1326366_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 00:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31036; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:38:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010722043823.32154.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010721211306.007daa60@pop.ici.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0umPxD.A.pkH.BjlW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Coffin submitted a post awhile back that gave his solution using a Mackie. What it came down to was using buss assignments & spare mixer outputs as fx sends. I cheated an extra fx send out of the mixer on my Tascam 488 by using its monitor outputs. I was recently going thru a box of old hi-fi system junk & came across a little box called a Tape Control Center, made by Realistic. It allowed you to hook up to 3 tape decks to the tape monitor connection on a home stereo receiver. It has switches that allows for a rec/play/dub matrix. I now have it hooked to 2 aux sends from a Rocktron G612 rack mixer to provide 3 stereo fx sends. I currently have my Vortex, DL-4, & Digitech 2101 connected to this. The other 2 sends on the G612 go to my EDP & Digitech 2120. I'm still tinkering with the setup & wondering how I'll work the repeater into all of this. I wish Line 6 would come out with a "mixer modeler". That way I could turn a knob & have 8 aux sends & 24 channels. ;-) John --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to > connect it all, though. > How have you guys approached using a massed pile of > several simple loopers > in combination (as opposed to a more > multi-functioned device like the EDP)? > > -t > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 00:52:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31432; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:46:11 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... In-reply-to: <20010722043823.32154.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20010722043823.32154.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:38 PM -0700 7/21/01, John Tidwell wrote: >I wish Line 6 would come out with a "mixer modeler". >That way I could turn a knob & have 8 aux sends & 24 >channels. ;-) LCS makes one of those. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 03:46:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06146; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:43:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hosting looper's delight site? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:09 PM -0700 7/21/01, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I need a server for my own purposes and its capacity mainly goes unused. >It lives in a dedicated facility somewhere in NJ, it's a Cobalt RaQ 3 if >that means anything to you... it has the usual array of services >(cgi, many email addresses, even servlets/JSP) > >I host over 70 domains right now. Of course, most of them >get very few hits indeed. > > >The usual deal is I do it for free as long as you don't get "too many hits". >(no one has yet hit this number) and a promise of "something" if you >"make it big" (no one has done this EITHER but I do get into a lot of >shows for free). > > >I don't know how many hits Looper's Delight gets, but it can't be that >many...? Anyway, I got the impression it's costing someone money >to host it, money that should be spent on gear (or food or whatever...) Hi Tom- thanks for the offer, but I think Looper's Delight might be a lot larger and more popular than you realize. We already outgrew the usual web hosting deals had to move to a dedicated co-located server a year and a half ago. This server (450MHz celeron based linux machine) is fully customized by us and already beefier than a typical RaQ3, and right now I'm considering upgrading to a 1GHz PIII server because we are outgrowing it. LD shares it with a couple of other big sites that I partnered up with. Looper's Delight by itself, per month, is about 400,000 page views, 700,000 file requests (hits), 100,000 user sessions, 9GB of bandwidth, and around 1GB of disk space. Plus a fair amount of CPU in handling the search engine, archiving and indexing the list, ad serving, mailing list, web server, dns, etc. The mailing list might have to send anywhere from 25,000 to 100,000 mails a day. It gets much bigger when you add in the rest of my internet activities and sites that I host, those monthly totals are about 1 million page views, 9 million hits/files, 40GB bandwidth, and about 6GB of disk space. As it happens, all of these sites are growing like weeds, and a few other big sites are getting ready to come on line. so it's only gonna get bigger! And after many miserable web hosting experiences, these days I insist of full root access, guaranteed uptime, 24 hour tech support and hardware monitoring, fully redundant backbone connections, not sharing a server with 100 other sites, etc. So I'm guessing, this is way beyond what you are willing to do for free... All this is not cheap, but there is no danger of it going offline. Income from the sites pays about half of it, and the rest is affordable for me. However, I would prefer to see LD be self-sufficient. In other words, it should not be freeloading off of me or you or anybody else to exist, it should pay it's own way. For this, I hope the people who use the site and enjoy the list can help out. That can be through buying Looper's Delight cd's, or using the affiliate links I have on the LD site when you can to buy gear (zzounds, sonic foundry, amazon), or making a donation through the donation links I've got set up on the site, or buying a t-shirt when we get around to that. And any of you who have something to advertise, LD is a fine place to do it and I'm happy to make some reasonable deal to make it work. Could be a product you sell, or your own cd, or something else. The whole looping world is watching if you put it on LD! enough groveling for now. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 06:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13500; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c11299$49a91ac0$9483abd4@LucaFormentini> From: "luca" To: References: <20010722043823.32154.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:30:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am working with an Allen & Heat Gl2 ( i think the update model has another name). It has 12 channels and 6 auxes, all configurable pre-post. I enter with my clean preamplified signal that goes in channel 1. The 6 auxes are divided in 3 stereo pairs, so i can drive 3 stereo fx. Their outputs come in from the channel strips, so they can be processed going back in any aux send again. There are also the four mono groups sends that I have been using to feed the loopers, whose outputs once again come in through the channel strips. It is an easy-to-see and control configuraton. I am waiting for the release of the Event EZ1, a digital mixer that (on paper) should allow any configuration using its several ins/outs. It also switch itself into a midi controller: in less words this machine should do what a Switchblade and a Peavey 1600x can do together. (I still have to touch and check one, so these thoughts could be easily found uncorrect). I also have a Rocktron Rack Interface that I use no more, should it interest anyone, mail me. all my best luca ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tidwell To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... > David Coffin submitted a post awhile back that gave > his solution using a Mackie. What it came down to was > using buss assignments & spare mixer outputs as fx > sends. I cheated an extra fx send out of the mixer on > my Tascam 488 by using its monitor outputs. > > I was recently going thru a box of old hi-fi system > junk & came across a little box called a Tape Control > Center, made by Realistic. It allowed you to hook up > to 3 tape decks to the tape monitor connection on a > home stereo receiver. It has switches that allows for > a rec/play/dub matrix. I now have it hooked to 2 aux > sends from a Rocktron G612 rack mixer to provide 3 > stereo fx sends. I currently have my Vortex, DL-4, & > Digitech 2101 connected to this. The other 2 sends on > the G612 go to my EDP & Digitech 2120. I'm still > tinkering with the setup & wondering how I'll work > the repeater into all of this. > > I wish Line 6 would come out with a "mixer modeler". > That way I could turn a knob & have 8 aux sends & 24 > channels. ;-) > > John > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to > > connect it all, though. > > How have you guys approached using a massed pile of > > several simple loopers > > in combination (as opposed to a more > > multi-functioned device like the EDP)? > > > > -t > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 07:21:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15692; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c1129f$672a25c0$1c2297d4@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: Subject: SV: Loopfest in New York, getting together Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:13:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA15610 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would be very interested to represent old mary Europe. I have to be in NY some time this fall anyway, it would be great to meet you guys . Elias. http://home.swipnet.se/faingersh -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jehn Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Datum: den 22 juli 2001 01:43 Ämne: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together >I would be interested..would be a great excuse to visit my bro in L.I. >Jehn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Ritchford" >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 2:12 PM >Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together > > >> >i can contact the knit/tonic, if you'd like --- though it'll be a few >days to >> >a week, before i do. >> >so: >> >1) how many loopers; who? >> >> so far the following have expressed interest: >> >> myself >> David Lee Myers >> todd reynolds >> Steve Sandberg >> dt >> >> >> >2) any dj's interested? >> >> Gee, an interesting point! I know a lot of good DJs but none who >> loop... >> >> >> >> >3) who will be 'production manager/coordinator'? >> >> I can do this. >> >> >> >etc etc. >> >i'm not free, myself, until september 15th, or so. >> >> Just as well. I need to relaunch extreme NY radio (yes, >> I am working on this... I think it will be worth the wait) >> and I have to make my new show (adding the Buchla Thunder >> and the K2600 and, conceivably, a Repeater, a new looper, >> have you heard about it?) >> >> So September is just the right time. >> >> >> Steve Sandburg has volunteered to contact the Knit, but, >> hey, more volume never hurts. >> >> I have a nodding acquaintance with E# (I've a cut on >> State of the Union 2.001 and he's on my mailing list) >> but don't think I'm in a position to book it... hint, >> hint. >> >> /t >> >> >> >> .......all legal games of chess >...... >> .....programmer's documentation >.................. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 09:14:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20503; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c112b0$da390ac0$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: References: Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:18:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C1128F.52DB1F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C1128F.52DB1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopfest in New York, getting toHow about an afternoon and evening? David Beardsley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Sandberg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to So that's 7 people already who are interested -- doesn't seem like 2 = or 3 sets would do it. Anyone have any idea how to organize this? I'm terrible at = organization, but am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue = -- Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites? 3? Help!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C1128F.52DB1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to
How about an afternoon and = evening?
 
David Beardsley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve Sandberg
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 = 11:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: Loopfest in New = York,=20 getting to

So that's 7 people already who are = interested --=20 doesn't seem like 2 or 3 sets would do it.
Anyone have any idea how = to=20 organize this?  I'm terrible at organization, but am willing to = use my=20 Knit contacts to get us a venue --
Perhaps ask for 2 sequential = nites?=20  3?  Help!
------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C1128F.52DB1F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:16:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23242; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c112b9$5aafb980$5dc5fd18@union1.nj.home.com> From: "David Beardsley" To: Subject: live microtonal guitar in NYC, 7.26.2001 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:19:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C11297.CFC15480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7hey9.A.oqF.I-tW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C11297.CFC15480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks! It's the first time I'm playing my microtonal guitar in public. = Live loops & drones. I'll also have the fretless so slide around on. Come on down to Nova Nights on Thursday night to hear this historic = concert! David Beardsley One of the New York area's foremost microtonal guitarists brings his intricate playing to The Den.=20 Meditative and mesmerizing, Beardsley's playing is steeped in=20 Indian music and blues as much as it is late 20th century minimalist = tradition. Thursday, July 26 at 8:00 p.m. Nova Nights at The Den at Two Boots 44 Avenue A (at E. 3rd St).=20 The cover is $8.00, which includes one drink. Also appearing at Nova Nights with David are folk noir Tea, from Chicago, local songwriter Tony Scherr and=20 offbeat vaudevillian John Southworth. http://biink.com/db ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C11297.CFC15480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks! It's the first time = I'm playing my=20 microtonal guitar in public. Live
loops & drones. I'll also = have the=20 fretless so slide around on.
Come on down to Nova Nights on Thursday = night to=20 hear this historic concert!

David Beardsley

One of the New York area's foremost=20 microtonal
guitarists brings his intricate playing to The Den. =
Meditative=20 and mesmerizing, Beardsley's playing is steeped in
Indian music and = blues as=20 much as it is late 20th century minimalist tradition.

Thursday, July 26 at 8:00 p.m.
Nova = Nights at The=20 Den at Two Boots
44 Avenue A (at E. 3rd St).
The cover is $8.00, = which=20 includes one drink.

Also appearing at Nova Nights with David are folk = noir
Tea, from Chicago, local songwriter Tony = Scherr and=20
offbeat vaudevillian John Southworth.

http://biink.com/db

 ------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C11297.CFC15480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23893; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <126.1c4de66.288c3cb0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:26:56 EDT Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.1c4de66.288c3cb0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.1c4de66.288c3cb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/01 7:55:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: > non-academic i can do but i look just awful in spandex.....:)m --part1_126.1c4de66.288c3cb0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/01 7:55:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com
writes:


you need to make it sexy and non-academic


non-academic i can do but i look just awful in spandex.....:)m --part1_126.1c4de66.288c3cb0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24623; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:46:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c11299$49a91ac0$9483abd4@LucaFormentini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ordered an EZ Bus in Oct but got tired of the "only two more months till its ready" remarks. I think it is a great concept if you are willing to use an external mixer (non rack mounted). Recently I have decided to install an Ashly LX308B which is 8 stereo channels (with no busses) and then will run my processing, effects and looping in series from the Ashly main outs. Hopefully it will work as I don't know any other way to set up so that I don't have to connect everything up when I set up. Regards, Steve P.S. I too have a Rocktron Rack Interface. A great device, but I just don't have any more room for it so I would be willing to sell it as well. > I am waiting for the release of the Event EZ1, a digital mixer that (on > paper) should allow any configuration using its several ins/outs. > It also switch itself into a midi controller: in less words this machine > should do what a Switchblade and a Peavey 1600x can do together. (I still > have to touch and check one, so these thoughts could be easily found > uncorrect). > I also have a Rocktron Rack Interface that I use no more, should > it interest > anyone, mail me. > all my best > luca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Tidwell > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:38 AM > Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... > > > > David Coffin submitted a post awhile back that gave > > his solution using a Mackie. What it came down to was > > using buss assignments & spare mixer outputs as fx > > sends. I cheated an extra fx send out of the mixer on > > my Tascam 488 by using its monitor outputs. > > > > I was recently going thru a box of old hi-fi system > > junk & came across a little box called a Tape Control > > Center, made by Realistic. It allowed you to hook up > > to 3 tape decks to the tape monitor connection on a > > home stereo receiver. It has switches that allows for > > a rec/play/dub matrix. I now have it hooked to 2 aux > > sends from a Rocktron G612 rack mixer to provide 3 > > stereo fx sends. I currently have my Vortex, DL-4, & > > Digitech 2101 connected to this. The other 2 sends on > > the G612 go to my EDP & Digitech 2120. I'm still > > tinkering with the setup & wondering how I'll work > > the repeater into all of this. > > > > I wish Line 6 would come out with a "mixer modeler". > > That way I could turn a knob & have 8 aux sends & 24 > > channels. ;-) > > > > John > > > > > > --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > > I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to > > > connect it all, though. > > > How have you guys approached using a massed pile of > > > several simple loopers > > > in combination (as opposed to a more > > > multi-functioned device like the EDP)? > > > > > > -t > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 11:07:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25262; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:57:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:57:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <94.172603cc.288c43b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:56:52 EDT Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_94.172603cc.288c43b4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_94.172603cc.288c43b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/01 9:16:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to connect it all, though. > How have you guys approached using a massed pile of several simple loopers > in combination (as opposed to a more multi-functioned device like the EDP)? > my problem also tim.....its time for the yearly "please post your signal path" thread.....with the addition of all the electrix pieces that lots of us got, i have no idea what im doing (as if i ever did).....this is how i am set up today: my ae-185 has two outs, one piezo and one elec.....piezo->sans amp gt-2-> mackie 1202 vlz-pro (channel 3)..... electric-> mackie 1202 (channel 4)..... aux send 1->zoom 2100->digi space pedal xp 300->boss delay dm-3->boomerang both line out and aux out ->filter factory->warp factory->mo-fx one left out straight to mackie 1202 (channel 1)right out->de armond twister (phase shifter)->mackie1202 (channel 2)..... aux send 2->alesis q-2 right back into aux returns..... casio cz-5000 and mic both go straight to the mackie1202 here is a question for rang users, do you fine a real drop off in power with the aux send on the rang? i really got to boost its volume at the mackie.....ok, now if anyone got this far in my post and you have suggestions please post me off list.....i bet there are almost infinite ways to connect all of this stuff and i would be so sad to miss some obvious goonzo connection making my system sound a little bit like the famed "againinater" (sp?).....perhaps this is too much to hope for.....:)m p.s. i will be curious to see how this post prints on LD --part1_94.172603cc.288c43b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/01 9:16:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net
writes:


I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to connect it all, though.
How have you guys approached using a massed pile of several simple loopers
in combination (as opposed to a more multi-functioned device like the EDP)?


my problem also tim.....its time for the yearly "please post your signal
path" thread.....with the addition of all the electrix pieces that lots of us
got, i have no idea what im doing (as if i ever did).....this is how i am set
up today:

my ae-185 has two outs, one piezo and one elec.....piezo->sans amp gt-2->
mackie 1202 vlz-pro (channel 3).....
electric-> mackie 1202 (channel 4).....
aux send 1->zoom 2100->digi space pedal xp 300->boss delay dm-3->boomerang
both line out and aux out ->filter factory->warp factory->mo-fx one left out
straight to mackie 1202 (channel 1)right out->de armond twister (phase
shifter)->mackie1202 (channel 2).....
aux send 2->alesis q-2 right back into aux returns.....
casio cz-5000 and mic both go straight to the mackie1202

here is a question for rang users, do you fine a real drop off in power with
the aux send on the rang? i really got to boost its volume at the
mackie.....ok, now if anyone got this far in my post and you have suggestions
please post me off list.....i bet there are almost infinite ways to connect
all of this stuff and i would be so sad to miss some obvious goonzo
connection making my system sound a little bit like the famed "againinater"
(sp?).....perhaps this is too much to hope for.....:)m

p.s. i will be curious to see how this post prints on LD --part1_94.172603cc.288c43b4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 11:28:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27226; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: 22 Jul 2001 16:17:39 +0100 Message-ID: <20010722151739.3780.cpmta@c000.lhr.cp.net> X-Sent: 22 Jul 2001 15:17:39 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dolly Gallardo X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: doll-y@nme.com Subject: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname@nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 11:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27675; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:27:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3078646043_44321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3078646043_44321 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable One idea could be to book one night in the old office, three weeks in a row= . Probably Monday or Tuesday nite would be best..., then we have sort of a curated series...Whoever has the most visibility or best relationship with the knit could actually take on the =B3curational=B2 role... I probably am Not that person, however, I don=B9t book there too often... On 7/21/01 11:49 PM, "Steve Sandberg" wrote: > So that's 7 people already who are interested -- doesn't seem like 2 or 3= sets > would do it. > Anyone have any idea how to organize this? I'm terrible at organization,= but > am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue -- > Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites? 3? Help! >=20 --B_3078646043_44321 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to One idea could be to book one night in the old office,= three weeks in a row.  Probably Monday or Tuesday nite would be best..= .,  then we have sort of a curated series...Whoever has the most visibi= lity or best relationship with the knit could actually take on the “cu= rational” role...  I probably am Not that person, however, I don&= #8217;t book there too often...






On 7/21/01 11:49 PM, "Steve Sandberg" <stevesandberg@earthlink= .net> wrote:

So that's 7 people a= lready who are interested -- doesn't seem like 2 or 3 sets would do it.
Anyone have any idea how to organize this?  I'm terrible at organizati= on, but am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue --
Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites?  3?  Help!

--B_3078646043_44321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 11:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28764; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:45:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York... From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe it makes 8, i'd also love to play (wrinklemuzik - aka kenn lowy). i've played at the knit a bunch of times. my suggestion would be two nights but perhaps, try and do a special event like "loop nights, sunday nights at the knitting factory" and take two sunday nights. sunday nights are usually a bit quiet, and maybe even do it early(ish). also, if we're all solo loopers, have two people set up at a time, so we can do 4 loopers at each show. take a break after the 2nd loopers and set the next two up. just my thoughts. klowy nyc www.mp3.com/wrinklemuzik/ From: Steve Sandberg Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:49:48 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting to So that's 7 people already who are interested -- doesn't seem like 2 or 3 sets would do it. Anyone have any idea how to organize this? I'm terrible at organization, but am willing to use my Knit contacts to get us a venue -- Perhaps ask for 2 sequential nites? 3? Help! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 11:53:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29204; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:51:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c112c5$da839bc0$a0af1597@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <94.172603cc.288c43b4@aol.com> Subject: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:49:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C112D6.9CDE4C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2G0bAC.A.hEH.8YvW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C112D6.9CDE4C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My signal chain (for the moment, i'm looking to an upgrade for the mixer = and to multiply my loopers) is: 7 Strings guitar > Dunlop wha > Akai Distortion > Analog Phaser > Pod = 2.0 > Channel 1 & 2 on Behringer mx 2004 mixer Acoustic guitar (piezo out) > channel 3 AKG and Nady mics > channel 4 & 5 Philips (old) stereo dynamic mic > channels 6 & 7 Mixer Aux send 1 > Akai Headrush > Boss VF-1 > channel 9/10 (stereo = channel) Mixer Aux send 2 > EDP Pro > Korg A1 >channel 11/12 (stereo channel) Groups 1,2,3,4 > Lexicon core2 card then back in the mixer with the 8 = outs Control Room outs > SSI amplifier Main outs > SB Live then back in the mixer Tape in and out free for other fx or my notebook. Sometimes a Quadraverb or other fx in the Korg A1 fx loop Compressors in the channel inserts (mainly for mics) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... In a message dated 7/21/01 9:16:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = tcn62@ici.net=20 writes:=20 I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to connect it all, = though.=20 How have you guys approached using a massed pile of several simple = loopers=20 in combination (as opposed to a more multi-functioned device like = the EDP)?=20 my problem also tim.....its time for the yearly "please post your = signal=20 path" thread.....with the addition of all the electrix pieces that = lots of us=20 got, i have no idea what im doing (as if i ever did).....this is how i = am set=20 up today:=20 my ae-185 has two outs, one piezo and one elec.....piezo->sans amp = gt-2->=20 mackie 1202 vlz-pro (channel 3).....=20 electric-> mackie 1202 (channel 4).....=20 aux send 1->zoom 2100->digi space pedal xp 300->boss delay = dm-3->boomerang=20 both line out and aux out ->filter factory->warp factory->mo-fx one = left out=20 straight to mackie 1202 (channel 1)right out->de armond twister (phase = shifter)->mackie1202 (channel 2).....=20 aux send 2->alesis q-2 right back into aux returns.....=20 casio cz-5000 and mic both go straight to the mackie1202=20 here is a question for rang users, do you fine a real drop off in = power with=20 the aux send on the rang? i really got to boost its volume at the=20 mackie.....ok, now if anyone got this far in my post and you have = suggestions=20 please post me off list.....i bet there are almost infinite ways to = connect=20 all of this stuff and i would be so sad to miss some obvious goonzo=20 connection making my system sound a little bit like the famed = "againinater"=20 (sp?).....perhaps this is too much to hope for.....:)m=20 p.s. i will be curious to see how this post prints on LD=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C112D6.9CDE4C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My signal chain (for the moment, i'm = looking to an=20 upgrade for the mixer and to multiply my loopers) is:
 
7 Strings guitar > Dunlop wha > = Akai=20 Distortion > Analog Phaser > Pod 2.0 > Channel 1 & 2 on = Behringer=20 mx 2004 mixer
Acoustic guitar (piezo out) > = channel=20 3
AKG and Nady mics > channel 4 = &=20 5
Philips (old) stereo dynamic mic > = channels 6=20 & 7
Mixer Aux send 1 > Akai = Headrush > Boss=20 VF-1 > channel 9/10 (stereo channel)
Mixer Aux send 2 > EDP Pro > Korg = A1=20 >channel 11/12 (stereo channel)
Groups 1,2,3,4 > Lexicon core2 card = then back in=20 the mixer with the 8 outs
Control Room outs > SSI = amplifier
Main outs > SB Live then back in the = mixer
Tape in and out free for other fx or my = notebook.
Sometimes a Quadraverb or other fx in = the Korg A1=20 fx loop
Compressors in the channel inserts = (mainly for=20 mics)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 = 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Too many loopers, = not enough=20 auxes...

In a = message dated=20 7/21/01 9:16:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net
writes: =


I'm still far from sure that it's the best way to = connect it=20 all, though.
How have you guys approached using a massed pile of = several=20 simple loopers
in combination (as opposed to a more = multi-functioned=20 device like the EDP)?


my problem also = tim.....its=20 time for the yearly "please post your signal
path" thread.....with = the=20 addition of all the electrix pieces that lots of us
got, i have no = idea=20 what im doing (as if i ever did).....this is how i am set
up = today:=20

my ae-185 has two outs, one piezo and one = elec.....piezo->sans amp=20 gt-2->
mackie 1202 vlz-pro (channel 3).....
electric-> = mackie=20 1202 (channel 4).....
aux send 1->zoom 2100->digi space = pedal xp=20 300->boss delay dm-3->boomerang
both line out and aux out=20 ->filter factory->warp factory->mo-fx one left out =
straight to=20 mackie 1202 (channel 1)right out->de armond twister (phase=20
shifter)->mackie1202 (channel 2).....
aux send 2->alesis = q-2=20 right back into aux returns.....
casio cz-5000 and mic both go = straight to=20 the mackie1202

here is a question for rang users, do you fine = a real=20 drop off in power with
the aux send on the rang? i really got to = boost its=20 volume at the
mackie.....ok, now if anyone got this far in my post = and you=20 have suggestions
please post me off list.....i bet there are = almost=20 infinite ways to connect
all of this stuff and i would be so sad = to miss=20 some obvious goonzo
connection making my system sound a little bit = like=20 the famed "againinater"
(sp?).....perhaps this is too much to hope = for.....:)m

p.s. i will be curious to see how this post prints = on=20 LD ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C112D6.9CDE4C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 12:22:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31412; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c112c5$da839bc0$a0af1597@invisible> References: <94.172603cc.288c43b4@aol.com> <001701c112c5$da839bc0$a0af1597@invisible> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:09:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Best Rack Mixer was Re: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. This thread is reminding me that the pots on my mixer (Roland M-16) are getting old and flaky. Can anyone recommend a reasonably compact rackable mixer with at least 4 sends? Thanks. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 13:09:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01587; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:08:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:08:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c112d0$db710800$0201a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <008001c1129f$672a25c0$1c2297d4@elias> Subject: Re: Loopfest in New York, getting together Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:07:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Elias Faingersh" put forth: > I would be very interested to represent old mary Europe. Hey, some of us over here are quite butch, you know. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 14:07:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05093; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c112d8$adc3a2c0$86b71597@invisible> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <94.172603cc.288c43b4@aol.com><001701c112c5$da839bc0$a0af1597@invisible> Subject: R: Best Rack Mixer was Re: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:03:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-0ah1B.A.MPB.qXxW7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You could try giving a look at Behringers and Mackies (not to get back to an old discussion, but they are almost 90% the same). In the Behringer site (www.behringer.com) go and see the Eurorack mx2642a. It has 6 sends, 4 groups (+ the stereo out), 8 mono and 4 stereo channels, 8 inserts, phantom, phones and control room outputs. I'm currently using the Mx2004a, a scaled down version of this one. Now I'm thinking about changing the mixer with a 2642 or a 3242. The latter one even has a virtualizer multifx processor inside, and 32 mono inputs (16 mic channels), and an internal "talkback mic". In the mackie line you could see the new 1604vlz or the 2404vlz (www.mackie.com). These are the best in their price range. Else you could try digital ones (yamaha pro1 or pro3). Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Best Rack Mixer was Re: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... > Hi. > > This thread is reminding me that the pots on my mixer (Roland M-16) > are getting old and flaky. Can anyone recommend a reasonably compact > rackable mixer with at least 4 sends? > > > Thanks. > -- > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > depends on the unreasonable man. > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 17:40:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14504; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:38:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:38:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:38:09 EDT Subject: Gear for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.991d818.288ca1c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d7.991d818.288ca1c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, all: I was going to place some gear on eBay but thought I'd shop it here first if anyone's interested. Yamaha MFC10 MIDI Foot Controller (approx. 4 mos. old) used once. Roland GR-30 Guitar Synthesizer (approx. 7 mos. old). Roland HPD-15 Handsonic (approx 7 mos. old). BOSS TU-2 Chromatic Tuner. ElectoVoice N/D 257 Dynamic Cardiod Microphone. KAWAI K1-M Synthesizer Module. Yamaha TG33 Tone Generator. ALL of the above gear is in mint condition. If interested, make me a reasonable pre-owned market price offer. Regards, Paul --part1_d7.991d818.288ca1c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, all:

I was going to place some gear on eBay but thought I'd shop it here first if
anyone's interested.

Yamaha MFC10 MIDI Foot Controller (approx. 4 mos. old) used once.
Roland GR-30 Guitar Synthesizer (approx. 7 mos. old).
Roland HPD-15 Handsonic (approx 7 mos. old).
BOSS TU-2 Chromatic Tuner.
ElectoVoice N/D 257 Dynamic Cardiod Microphone.
KAWAI K1-M Synthesizer Module.
Yamaha TG33 Tone Generator.

ALL of the above gear is in mint condition. If interested, make me a
reasonable pre-owned market price offer.

Regards, Paul
--part1_d7.991d818.288ca1c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 18:32:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17209; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <26.188ef2f0.288cae15@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:30:45 EDT Subject: Re: Best Rack Mixer was Re: R: Too many loopers, not enough auxes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you might try giving the pots a squirt or 2 of pot cleaner. you may be surprised. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 19:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20015; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.2092a35.288cbc25@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:30:45 EDT Subject: More Gear for Sale (Optek Fretlight) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11f.2092a35.288cbc25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_11f.2092a35.288cbc25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all: Oh, I forgot. I have a mint condition black Optek Fretlight (strat-type) guitar for sale. Comes with power cord (whopee), some old documentation and a learning audio cassette. Price $500.00. Regards, Paul --part1_11f.2092a35.288cbc25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all:

Oh, I forgot. I have a mint condition black Optek Fretlight (strat-type)
guitar for sale. Comes with power cord (whopee), some old documentation and a
learning  audio cassette. Price $500.00.

Regards, Paul --part1_11f.2092a35.288cbc25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 19:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20621; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010722234314.55355.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:43:14 -0700 (PDT) From: philip raath Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #388 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200107221528.LAA27670@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i can't guarantee my availability at this point, but i would also be interested in playing @ the loopfest, if ya'll can forgive the possibility of stage fright. got to fucking get over it sometime i suppose. so i guess that makes 8? people on the list? take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 22:04:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27047; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:45:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:45:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:45:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: hosting looper's delight site? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It gets much bigger when you add in the rest of my internet activities >and sites that I host, those monthly totals are about 1 million page views, >9 million hits/files, 40GB bandwidth, and about 6GB of disk space. Yoinks! That's more than I have for all 70 domains! >And any of you who have something to advertise, LD is a >fine place to do it and I'm happy to make some reasonable deal to make it >work. Could be a product you sell, or your own cd, or something else. The >whole looping world is watching if you put it on LD! a big amen to that. Looper's Delight seems like it'd be an excellent audience... a lot of committed musicians who spend a lot of money on things musical. The offer still holds for individuals who have small domains they want served, mind you... let me know! /t .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 22:38:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29677; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:27:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:27:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008001c1129f$672a25c0$1c2297d4@elias> References: <008001c1129f$672a25c0$1c2297d4@elias> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:26:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Loopfest NYC update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_n0vo.A.PPH.Ru4W7@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a nice long conversation with dt today (who very kindly called me back when I was less hung over... memo to self, don't forget to eat next time!) 1. diversity. We need to make sure that we have as much diversity in the show as possible so that we can showcase as a wide a range of looping as we can -- and so that we can attract as wide a range of audience as we can. 2. short sets. We're, sob, probably going to have to have fairly short sets because there are just so many people involved. This will take some fine logistical planning, too... I know that I rehearse my setup and have all my cables color coded just to make setups easy. 3. get a proper space. No use fucking around with someone's garage in Brooklyn, let's bust ahead and try to get the best space possible. 4. get a draw to headline. Get someone who loops and also has an actual draw to head the bill. 5. get corporate sponsors. Even a little sponsorship would go a long way. Traditionally, sponsorship pays for advertising costs: so.... 6. advertise effectively We need advertising and we don't want to spend tons of money. We should pick targets that might be interested in loopy music, like: universities (fliers and posters), esp. NYU which is right there. music stores, rehearsal studios and places where musicians go. head shops -- if Giuliani hasn't closed them all down yet. comic book shops (or is the audience too young?) 7. we need a name We can't call it Looper's Delight So we need a name. Nothing has jumped out yet. dt had an idea so dreadful I can't put it on paper (well, I don't remember the exact name is the truth, but it was about regurgitation...) looplooplooplooploop is my best try so far. it's quite euphonious if you say it out loud. it's my best try because it shouldn't be funny and it also shouldn't be pretentious and all the other ideas I've had are both. other ideas solicited. 8. split the profits We should split the take evenly after expenses. It could be that there will be more expenses than profits... better make a tight budget. 9. tape it all I believe we should get a DAT tape of the whole thing. I always bring a DAT machine anyway hooked right to the output of my digital board... so we can get anything that's not going right to the house mix that way by just running a line to/through the board. If we do get somewhere with this, we can knock out a limited edition CD of it, just for own amusement if nothing else. (My personal goal this year is to release a lot of very short run CDs, 100 or 200 copies only -- you can get them done in the $5/each range -- number them uniquely and try to sell them to collectors at a reasonable price...) 10. division of labour We'll all do everything in some sense but I'll handle the logistics and make sure that nothing falls on the floor, dt will talk to the correct people we hope, and we can all wander around with fliers and posters. Appendix: on the audience I believe that our "natural" audience is a group of older males who already like things like progressive rock, space rock, "serious electronic music", "twentieth century music" (now what do we call THAT now we've left that century?) and that sort of thing. I also believe we'll die in the water if we rely on these people to support our work, though we should certainly reach out to them. I think we should pull out all the stops and try to get all those OTHER people, younger people, women, people who don't necessarily care about weird music. If we can get them, us geeks will show up automatically anyway... Coda: for your consideration. .......all legal games of chess ...... .....programmer's documentation .................. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 22:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29929; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:34:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:34:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c1131f$aeffd400$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Connecticut loopers? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:32:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'm currently in Boston, but I'm relocating to New Haven, CT next month. Any loopers living in the New Haven area, or anywhere else in the Insurance State? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 23:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30958; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:55:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:55:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:54:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopfest NYC update From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's at the Knit, they charge to make a recording off their board, so be warned! This may be true at some other venues I suppose. No problem if you want to volunteer to run all performances through your own and sit by it the whole time (good man!)... And IMO, nine people doing 20 minute sets sounds like a fine 3 hr. show. Hopefully the irrepressible Mr. dt can afford us some drawing power... DLM on 7/22/01 10:26 PM, Tom Ritchford at tom@swirly.com wrote: > 9. tape it all > > I believe we should get a DAT tape of the whole thing. > I always bring a DAT machine anyway hooked right to > the output of my digital board... so we can get anything > that's not going right to the house mix that way > by just running a line to/throu