From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 14:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31353; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:05:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:05:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A50D5B8.6BA9E994@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:08:40 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: Happy New Ear: 49/32 Radio Archives updated 12/10-31/2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Ear! I've updated the part of the 49/32 Radio archives from December 10-31, 2000 49/32 Radio is the very first all microtonal streaming audio program on the net. Microtonal is a term that loosely covers any music outside of the 12 tone equal temperament commonly accepted in the Western world - the notes in between the frets of a guitar or the pitches between the keys of a piano. Microtonality isn't a style of music, rather an approach to pitch. Recent programs featured David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir, Baba Allauddin Khan Saheb, Henry Flynt, Rod Poole, Arnold Dreyblatt Aadat (Drums of Morocco), El Maallem Mahmoud Gania Mississippi Fred McDowell and Bukka White. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 09:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16624; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:35:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:35:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9180151@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tape looping insanity c. 1970 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:39:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this story would make an excellent short film. tq > >What happened to those language lab tape loopers? > > > >One is an on-staff inventor at a high-tech electronics company. > >One is a commercial audio producer. > >One is a deejay and producer at a radio station group. > >Two are college professors. > >One is a cell phone network hardware and software engineer. > > > >North Side High School has never been the same! > > > >Charlie Willer > >1655 N Wells St > >Fort Wayne IN 46808-3281 > > > tq ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 14:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23488; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010102144409.00a07e70@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:44:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: NYC Looping, CD Duplication.. In-Reply-To: <200012282154.QAA28656@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all - hope the hollidaze were good here's a another option for CD dupl. www.discs-on-demand.com these guys will produce pro-quality CDs for you , as the orders come in and ship directly to your customer for $4 total per disc - there are other deals and packages, check out the faq at least. Cool ideas for promo paks too. ALSO -- i will be doing some very Loop oriented madness at the WETLANDS in NYC on Fri Jan 12 it's JFK's LSD UFO - with special guest Robbie "seahag" Mangano on guitar madness. Upstairs that night will be DJ LOGIC and PROJECT LOGIC - which itself will be a very loopy affair..www.wetlands-preserve.org See ya - and have a Loopy new Year..... Andre' (east coast) http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:34:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32604; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:33:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:35:41 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looping machines for woodwind In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C32@migarexch01.maritz.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-RZ-UB.A.R9H.dEoU6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [specific instance] A local (Raleigh, NC) cornet player named Brian McCune uses looping heavily in his performances with a band called the Zone Rangers. Brian uses a Digital Echoplex & footswitch with his cornet and a ton of other effects (Big Briar Moogerfooger lowpass filter & phaser, Lexicon [I believe it's a] Vortex, and several others I didn't ID in the rack). Great stuff, seen them live twice, their CD is a good reflection of their live performance. [loopfree] Since there's no vocalist, Brian kept unclipping the microphone from his cornet so he could introduce the band, announce the songs, and generally act as emcee. [general] I'd think almost any looper device would be reasonable for saxophone. best, Steve Burnett On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > i play with a trumpet player who also does vocals into a small pa that he > uses for gigs. he uses the line6 dl4 for his looping. i also play with a > vocalist who uses a jamman . . . i think that most of the loopers out there > will accomodate your needs. > > > stig > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Wallqvist [mailto:per.wallqvist@tankebolaget.se] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:10 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: Looping machines for woodwind > > > Hi, > > I am looking for some looping device that i can use on stage and that is > suiteabl for voice and woodwind looping. I play the saxophone and will > connect the mic to the PA-system and then put the looping machine to the > effect return. Is that the right way or shall I connect it in another way? > > Best regards > > /Per > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 02:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06952; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:21:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Echoplexes are shipping again! Resent-Message-ID: <8qutKB.A.OsB.uMtU6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of you might be interested to know: Gibson just shipped a big batch of EDP's from their Trace-Elliot factory in the UK, headed to the US right now. These are the first units completely made at Trace, and many more are following! The guys at Trace worked really hard to check out every last detail for this production, to be sure things were going smoothly. From what I can tell from working with them, it looks like they've done a fine job. Happy New Year, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 14:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21027; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:20:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:20:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c075ba$4bf8d760$1803a8c0@aspertdvp.com> From: "Andy" To: Subject: Join Mail List Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:20:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C07577.3D39CC90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2001 19:18:42.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0305F0:01C075B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C07577.3D39CC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wanna join the mail list thx Tom Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C07577.3D39CC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C07577.3D39CC90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 14:32:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21373; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:30:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:30:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c075bb$99c60700$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Join Mail List Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:26:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01C07578.0433C1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <97c5CC.A.hNF.023U6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C07578.0433C1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,=20 Just visit the Loopers Delight homepage- there are directions there for = you to join- Happy looping-=20 -----Original Message----- From: Andy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Join Mail List I wanna join the mail list thx Tom Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C07578.0433C1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C07578.0433C1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 18:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26808; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:07:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:07:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:09:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: looping tips and tricks 2001 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone care to share their latest looping technique discoveries? i'm imagining quick little tips or tricks that make your looping easier or more fun. even "obvious" things that may have been mentioned before would be good. to get things rolling: - when overdubbing, i recently put a volume pedal of some sort in front of the looper to avoid the sharp little blips in background noise from turning overdubbing on & off by fading in before & after the overdub. this is particularly useful when looping acoustic instruments using a microphone while hearing the current loop on monitors. (this probably falls into the obvious category, but when i finally set this up, it made overdubbing much more "relaxed".) [general interest] - i'm using the Peavy PC1600 fader box to control feedback on an EDP using MIDI. by making one fader the "master" of the feedback footpedal, i can set the minimum feedback level that the footpedal can generate by lowering the master fader. this lets me use the entire range of the footpedal's travel to smoothly make a transition from full feedback to the exact amount i'm aiming for. much easier than trying to judge what fraction of the footpedal's travel will get me the right amount of feedback. [edp/peavy pc1600] i may think of more later, but for now, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-... dan ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 18:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27282; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Conley" Subject: EDP multiple question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm having some difficulty setting up my echoplex to do what I want it to do. Basically I use auto-record on and quantize=on. What I want to do is loop a cycle in Loop 1, Copy it to Loop 2 (I do this by pressing next loop and then multiple). Go back to Loop 1 (Now both Loop 1 and Loop 2 are the same) Play around with Loop 1 with overdubs etc. Go into Loop 2 and start to multiple right away WITHOUT copying Loop 1. Everytime I try this I just copy in loop 1's stuff. I have shut loopcopy off, which still copies when I press multiply after nextloop, which is fine. BTW: I notice that I have some real grainy noise when I record, you have to listen to it and you can't hear it when the loop is developed. It sounds like a noise gate only digitally funny. I wonder if I have bad ram chips in there. Any, thanks in advance. Chris Conley conleycd@mcmaster.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 20:04:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30739; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A53CB4A.2B0E0215@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:00:57 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, (if the list already got this question from me, my apology. I've been having problems with the looper's list.) Remember that Repeater doo-hicky? Well, my calculations tell me that it's been over 45 days of the 30 to 45 day delay. No pun intended. So what's the deal? I was part of the group buy with Alto music. Is that still on? Do I have to contact them again? Will the Repeater really exist? So many questions. If anyone knows any info, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 20:08:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30973; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c075eb$15bc4c00$0201a8c0@office2> From: "Simon Stavenuiter" To: Subject: Roland Echo Tapes Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:10:09 +1100 Organization: Simon Stavenuiter Recording and Audio Production MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01C07647.4884EB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C07647.4884EB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space Echo Machines, = 201, 301, 501, 555. $US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. Payments via = paypal.com. Breathe new life into your space echo! Regards Simon ______________________________________________________________________ For you own free paypal account click here: = https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=3Dsjstav%40pipeline.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C07647.4884EB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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For you own free paypal account click here:=20 https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=3Dsjstav%40pipeline.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C07647.4884EB40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 20:22:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31211; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:21:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:19:28 EST Subject: Re: Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got news from Electrix that the repeaters will be shipping at the end of the month-all orders at Alto are still there-We tried not to lose any-Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 21:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32707; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:05:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I hope you all had a good Xmas and new years! I certainly enjoyed some time to de-stress. Here is the scoop on Repeater. We resolved our power supply issues with some minor design changes. All things hardware are now complete with final production units expected in the middle of this month. We are now at the cusp of releasing software for our final beta test and system tests. We are working hard to get Repeater out to you but ultimately our commitment is to putting out a product that works right the first time (there will be no wine before it's time....). What's the bottom line? Our best guess on a release date for Repeater is the end of January. We are officially launching Repeater the weekend of the 20th at winter NAMM which so if your in Anaheim that weekend stop by and say hi and check out Repeater (we will probably be exhibiting with beta software). We are going to shoot some video which will go up on our site when we get back, so stay tuned... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 22:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02192; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:18:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:15:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They used to be $5 with my local Roland dealer a year ago!! At 12:10 p.m. 04/01/01 +1100, you wrote: >For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space Echo Machines, 201, 301, 501, 555. >$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. Payments via paypal.com. >Breathe new life into your space echo! > >Regards Simon >______________________________________________________________________ >For you own free paypal account click here: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=sjstav%40pipeline.com.au > > > > > > > >
For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space Echo >Machines, 201, 301, 501, 555.
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$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. >Payments via paypal.com.
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> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 22:40:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02781; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:39:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.242] From: "space module" To: SP-808USERS@egroups.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, digitalhell@resrocket.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MEME Presents: Original Classic Electronic Music Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:38:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2001 03:38:14.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4ECAFD0:01C075FF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MEME Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble Presents Original Classic Electronic Music Saturday January 6th, 9:30pm Quenchers Saloon 2401 N. Western Ave. Chicago, IL 60647 Featuring live performance on various Synths (analog, V/A) Samplers, Electric Violin and Looping. Look for the upcoming gig January 27th at the Nervous Center. This will be one of the final shows at Chicago's foremost Experimental/Electronic Music Venue. Don't Miss It! Thanks for the Bandwidth spacemodule _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 22:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03136; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:43:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:43:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ee01c07600$fbaefa40$0201a8c0@office2> From: "Simon Stavenuiter" To: References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:46:54 +1100 Organization: Simon Stavenuiter Recording and Audio Production MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who was your retailer? At that price they're a bargain; grab as many as you can! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Soto" To: Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 2:15 Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes > > They used to be $5 with my local Roland dealer a year ago!! > > > > At 12:10 p.m. 04/01/01 +1100, you wrote: > >For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space Echo Machines, > 201, 301, 501, 555. > >$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. Payments via > paypal.com. > >Breathe new life into your space echo! > > > >Regards Simon > >______________________________________________________________________ > >For you own free paypal account click here: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=sjstav%40pipeline.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space > Echo > >Machines, 201, 301, 501, 555.
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$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. > >Payments via paypal.com.
> >
Breathe new life into your space echo!
> >
 
> >
Regards Simon
> >
>size=2>____________________________________________________________________ > __
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For you own free paypal account click here: > >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=sjstav%40pipeline.com.au
BODY> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03534; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:58:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:58:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:57:11 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Echoplexes are shipping again! Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200101032257_MC2-C094-E65E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA03495 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, you might have answered this question elsewhere, but: Is there a store in my neck of the woods (NYC) to buy one? And if not, where is a good place to mail-order one? Best wishes for the New Year, Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04340; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A53F8E1.DF2F874A@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:15:29 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > They used to be $5 with my local Roland dealer a year ago!! And they are still free or around fifty cents if you want to pick up an old 8track tape, chop it apart, and roll your own. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:25:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04656; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:22:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:22:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021c01c07606$895e16a0$0201a8c0@office2> From: "Simon Stavenuiter" To: References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> <3A53F8E1.DF2F874A@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:26:39 +1100 Organization: Simon Stavenuiter Recording and Audio Production MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And they are still free or around fifty cents if you want to pick up an old > 8track tape, chop it apart, and roll your own. The problem with tapes that you splice yourself is that they are not lubricated and they shed on both sides and dump gunk in the machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05016; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [140.192.157.64] From: "tony echos" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:32:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2001 04:32:41.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[60140FB0:01C07607] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i guess simon hasn't heard about the razor yet. its great, with it you can CUT your own tapes for use in the space echos!!!!! too cool. and the best part is that Ace hardware is stocking them. tony >From: Andy Soto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:15:17 -0600 (CST) > > > They used to be $5 with my local Roland dealer a year ago!! > > > >At 12:10 p.m. 04/01/01 +1100, you wrote: > >For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland Space Echo Machines, >201, 301, 501, 555. > >$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. Payments via >paypal.com. > >Breathe new life into your space echo! > > > >Regards Simon > >______________________________________________________________________ > >For you own free paypal account click here: >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=sjstav%40pipeline.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
For Sale: NOS Roland Echo Tapes to suit all Roland >Space >Echo > >Machines, 201, 301, 501, 555.
> >
$US40 a tape includes shipping. Additional tapes $US35. > >Payments via paypal.com.
> >
Breathe new life into your space echo!
> >
 
> >
Regards Simon
> >
>size=2>____________________________________________________________________ >__
> >
For you own free paypal account click here: > >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=sjstav%40pipeline.com.au
BODY> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:41:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05377; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A53FF6B.44167D65@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:43:24 -0500 From: Dick Michaels X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> <3A53F8E1.DF2F874A@voicenet.com> <021c01c07606$895e16a0$0201a8c0@office2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And how do you make the splice work cleanly? Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC Simon Stavenuiter wrote: > > And they are still free or around fifty cents if you want to pick up an > old > > 8track tape, chop it apart, and roll your own. > > The problem with tapes that you splice yourself is that they are not > lubricated and they shed on both sides and dump gunk in the machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05606; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:46:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:46:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010103234914.007c2180@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:49:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes In-Reply-To: <021c01c07606$895e16a0$0201a8c0@office2> References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> <3A53F8E1.DF2F874A@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, the tape used in the 8track cartridges IS the lubricated type (as opposed to regular 1/4" open reel stuff) and if you use decent splicing tape (as opposed to scotch, masking or duct) there should be no problem with gunk dumpage. At 03:26 PM 1/4/01 +1100, you wrote: >The problem with tapes that you splice yourself is that they are not >lubricated and they shed on both sides and dump gunk in the machine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 00:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06630; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:19:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:19:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:18:34 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 1.6.00 @Zeitgeist Gallery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, I'll be performing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery, as part of Rob Chalfen's SubConsciousCafe Cryptognomic Music Series. I may be doing video duets/ensemble with Jeff Silva/Pixonics, he is unconfirmed at this time. Saturday, 6 Jan. 2001 - 8:30 to 12:30 $10 Two Soul-Challenging Ensembles! SUPER GOO featuring members of Count Zero & Think Tree "exotodelia nonpareille!" - Akashic Record Peter Moore - keyboards Eric Paull - drums Pacey Foster - turntables Will Ragano - guitar Dave Geller - percussion &! CLUB Z - Gods of World Trance A talent landslide specially concocted for the occasion- quite possibly featuring: Mike Rivard- bass (Club D'Elf) Russ Gershon - sax (Either/Orchestra) Bob Weiner - percussion Fred Stubbs - Ney Sergio Brandao - guitar, mandolin (Manga-Rosa) And others whos Identities we may not Reveal at this Time! there will be beer - feel free to bring more Zeitgeist Gallery - 312 Broadway, Cambridge - Cr. Norfolk, off Central Sq. 876-2182 SubConsciousCafe is a Rob Chalfen projection. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 07:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15504; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:33:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:33:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A546D64.853E7501@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:32:36 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: microtonal mp3.com spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, I finally started a mp3.com page for my music. There is one piece at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley and another at http://mp3.com/xouoxno There are more pieces coming. Just waiting for the busy mp3.com people to approve them. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 08:45:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16771; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:43:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:43:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A547E0B.D675F83F@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:43:39 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Dick Michaels Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: <200101040315.f043FHp19166@servidor.unam.mx> <3A53F8E1.DF2F874A@voicenet.com> <021c01c07606$895e16a0$0201a8c0@office2> <3A53FF6B.44167D65@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dick Michaels wrote: > And how do you make the splice work cleanly? I've had best results slicing at a diagonal. I use simple splice tape I bought from radio shack (who still stock it BTW). Basically you're doing the same thing all reel to reel looper's have done for decades so you may need to experiment to find what works best for you. I think a 45-60 degree angles makes a clean splice and I've done this on a few machines including roland space echos as well as multivox and other brands with different heads, etc. As pointed out the 8 track tape *is* lubricated. If you can find a new one still sealed you've got a few lifetimes wroth of space echo tape and you can experiment with tape length to get different echos. The actual original tape length is in a post I made to the analog heaven archives a few years ago. I had a spare Roland and opened it up and measured it but of course I forget what it is now. D_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 09:00:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17148; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [140.192.162.6] From: "tony echos" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:53:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2001 13:53:50.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4346640:01C07655] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you do the splice correctly. it should be, and is no problem really. get good splice tape and a razor. always make an angled cut. most records prior to the protools era contain songs which contain spliced taped. >>And how do you make the splice work cleanly? > >Dick Michaels >Rogue Music NYC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 13:17:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23661; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:10:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c07678$d49288a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010102144409.00a07e70@mail.monmouth.com> Subject: CD Duplication.. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another one.. similar to disc on demand.. but run by Staalplaat, one of the premiere european distros for electronic/experimental music. It's called open circuit, you send them a cdr master and many units of your graphics and they handle the replication and put you in the catalog and shops (supposedly). It sounds like a great idea, but I can't really vouch for it as I haven't heard anything regarding sales or seen any money, (we sent them our CD in Spring) or even found on place on the web where these CDs are available. Well, here's the link. http://www.staalplaat.com/news.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:02:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25121; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAkSyYmtZG3VSxnSAyJrWG/DrqbY8CFQC+gIckq2FQOGVsMqCR3lgf6U2I5A== Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes Message-ID: <3160-3A54C7CE-85@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Dick Michaels 's message of Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:43:24 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard you guys talking about using 8 track tapes for Space Echos, but where can you find a blank 8 track tape? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25691; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A54CCF6.56221446@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:20:22 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: <3160-3A54C7CE-85@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1NS0eC.A.0QG.EzMV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I heard you guys talking about using 8 track tapes for Space Echos, but > where can you find a blank 8 track tape? Flea markets, Salvation Army stores, and pretty much any and every thrift store be it a Ma and Pa place in Kentucky or a retro hip urban trash store in a trendy street. Failing that you can get them for fifty cents or a buck from dozens of people on the 'net in 8track newsgroups, on Ebay, or even at many mail order music stores. Hell, I currently sell a *new* 8track tape of my band that we released a few years ago: http://www.8trackheaven.com/longlive.html - (we're Overdrive Date Master) The http://www.8trackheaven.com site has many links to places to buy them as well. as long as you steer away from the collectors ones you should find plenty for dirt cheap. I personally have made quite a few tape loops out of Barbara Streisand, The Police, Charlie Pride, and Kiss. I refuse to use Journey tapes for anything... ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26376; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:43:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:43:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:39:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/04/2001 01:39:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <45NkeC.A.kbG.qINV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I heard you guys talking about using 8 track tapes for Space Echos, but > where can you find a blank 8 track tape? > I personally have made quite a few tape loops out of > Barbara Streisand, The Police, Charlie Pride, and Kiss. > I refuse to use Journey tapes for anything... I think the point is that you don't need BLANK tapes. You can erase them. I would assume--just like any other magnetic media--that a good swipe next to your cabinet's speakers would do the trick. Or just record silence over them. I have no experience, but I would bet this to be the case. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27379; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:07:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A54D81E.6C8D30F9@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:07:58 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think the point is that you don't need BLANK tapes. You can erase them. I > would assume--just like any other magnetic media--that a good swipe next to > your cabinet's speakers would do the trick. Or just record silence over > them. I have no experience, but I would bet this to be the case. Oh Yes, I didn't make that clear. You don't need blank tapes at all. As a matter of fact you don't even need to record over the tapes as they exist since you'll be recording over them with the recording heads of the Space echo. Of course If you want to be minty clean and have no buried sounds wiping them with a good bulk eraser would also help but in reality you can use prerecorded 8track tapes out of their case just fine. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 16:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28407; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:52:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:52:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c07690$47dfee80$0a6466c3@main> From: "Earthspike" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:52:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <4uPMJC.A.g7G.ZJOV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com suggestion put a 1/4 sec fade on the start of your sample and a 1/4 fade out at the end - no more nasty clicks when u loop! concept7@earthspike.com ----- Original Message ----- From: dan mcmullen To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: looping tips and tricks 2001 > anyone care to share their latest looping technique discoveries? i'm > imagining quick little tips or tricks that make your looping easier or more > fun. even "obvious" things that may have been mentioned before would be > good. to get things rolling: > > - when overdubbing, i recently put a volume pedal of some sort in front of > the looper to avoid the sharp little blips in background noise from turning > overdubbing on & off by fading in before & after the overdub. this is > particularly useful when looping acoustic instruments using a microphone > while hearing the current loop on monitors. (this probably falls into the > obvious category, but when i finally set this up, it made overdubbing much > more "relaxed".) [general interest] > > - i'm using the Peavy PC1600 fader box to control feedback on an EDP using > MIDI. by making one fader the "master" of the feedback footpedal, i can > set the minimum feedback level that the footpedal can generate by lowering > the master fader. this lets me use the entire range of the footpedal's > travel to smoothly make a transition from full feedback to the exact amount > i'm aiming for. much easier than trying to judge what fraction of the > footpedal's travel will get me the right amount of feedback. [edp/peavy > pc1600] > > i may think of more later, but for now, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-... > dan > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 17:19:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30807; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A54F433.B9657381@magi.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:07:47 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes References: <3160-3A54C7CE-85@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't get blank 8 tracks, but I've seen brand new 8-tracks for $0.50 in second hand shops before. Bowerbird@webtv.net wrote: > I heard you guys talking about using 8 track tapes for Space Echos, but > where can you find a blank 8 track tape? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 17:53:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31741; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:51:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F91801C2@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD mailing list question Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:55:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is primarily for Kim but I thought others may benefit. Kim, I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the this one for my site. Is this a program I can buy, how much space will it eat up. PS: NAMM'rs stop buy booth 4878 hall C and say hhi Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > -----Original Message----- > From: andre [SMTP:andre@monmouth.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: NYC Looping, CD Duplication.. > > hey all - hope the hollidaze were good > > here's a another option for CD dupl. > > www.discs-on-demand.com > > these guys will produce pro-quality CDs for you , as the orders come in > and > ship directly to your customer for $4 total per disc - there are other > deals and packages, check out the faq at least. Cool ideas for promo paks > too. > > ALSO -- i will be doing some very Loop oriented madness at the WETLANDS in > NYC on Fri Jan 12 > it's JFK's LSD UFO - with special guest Robbie "seahag" Mangano on guitar > madness. Upstairs that night will be DJ LOGIC and PROJECT LOGIC - which > itself will be a very loopy affair..www.wetlands-preserve.org > > See ya - and have a Loopy new Year..... > > Andre' (east coast) > http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 18:15:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32746; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: LD mailing list question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:07:43 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/04/2001 05:07:48 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the this one for my site. The easiest means would be to simply start a group on http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 18:47:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01009; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:38:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:38:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104153308.00a54ec0@midiwall.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:33:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Studio FX Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all; A mailing list has been started which is dedicated to the discussion of Studio FX boxes. This is the list owner's description of the list: This list will be used to discuss and archive messages about such topics as: -quality of effects units (is this lexicon better than that tc electronics?), -questions about hooking them up, (does a korg A1 send out 48khz or 44.1khz? ) -tips and tricks for using them creatively (im using the filter module on my virus for my nordlead sounds), -using plugins on DAW's (is the Cakewalk Tape simulator better than the Cubase VST Karlette?) -stand alone processors (im using a joe meek voice channel, how do i de-ess?) -pre-amps, guitar stomp boxes, eqs, compressors, limiters, crap-gear, high-end gear, etc, -units that you have for sale.. please include price/location (For sale: boss g5000, asking $100) -questions/comments about "getting a sound" (How does trent reznor process his guitars?) NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LIST: Spam, personal attacks, flames, etc. I will ban anyone who posts such things after 1 warning. Jump on and babble by heading here: http://www.egroups.com/group/studio_fx or, drop an email: to: studio_fx-subscribe@egroups.com Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 19:11:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01917; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010104190640.007ba480@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:06:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Roland Echo Tapes In-Reply-To: <3160-3A54C7CE-85@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5ocPm.A.jd.58QV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who needs a blank one? If it has Abba or Mantovani or KC and the Sunshine Band on it, it'll only matter the first time around until your input wipes it! Tim At 10:58 AM 1/4/01 -0800, you wrote: >I heard you guys talking about using 8 track tapes for Space Echos, but >where can you find a blank 8 track tape? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 21:29:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05183; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010104212845.007ba6b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:28:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective In-Reply-To: <01C0728E.B40F06A0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <__IdVB.A.iQB.ACTV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase magazine: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 22:03:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06299; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:55:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of the CT-Collective, I joined the mailing list and haven't heard a reply yet. Does that mean I didn't make the cut? -Hans -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase magazine: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 00:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10138; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:23:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2001 05:23:46.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD588640:01C076D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, We're not that picky. I don't see you in the list on egroups, but that's most likely because of some email error. You might want to try again. I think you have to already be registered on egroups, which is free, and doable from www.egroups.com (the main page). Best, Matt Davignon >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:55:27 -0800 > >Speaking of the CT-Collective, I joined the mailing list and haven't heard >a >reply yet. Does that mean I didn't make the cut? > >-Hans > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > > >Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase >magazine: > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 05:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15452; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:03:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 02:02:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2001 10:02:03.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D91FEA0:01C076FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. >From: lindsay@pavestone.com > > >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the >this one for my site. > >The easiest means would be to simply start a group on >http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 06:17:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16824; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010105061612.007bb730@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 06:16:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6p7WEC.A.hGE.jwaV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is Miko away on vacation, possibly? A friend of mine attempted to subscribe a few days ago, and he's still 'pending' moderator approval. -t At 09:23 PM 1/4/01 -0800, you wrote: >Hans, > >We're not that picky. I don't see you in the list on egroups, but that's >most likely because of some email error. You might want to try again. I >think you have to already be registered on egroups, which is free, and >doable from www.egroups.com (the main page). > >Best, > >Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 10:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21670; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:19:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:19:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: LD mailing list question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:15:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/05/2001 09:15:15 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <409M8B.A.pRF.NXeV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. Really? I'm subscribed to four or five EGroup mailing lists and use my very well-protected work address (I've got a hotmail and yahoo account for the fluff) and receive NO spam. Then again, I do ALWAYS find and un-check that little box that indicates, "Yes! Allow EGroups to notify me of exciting opportunities..." when signing up. For what it's worth. Go loopers. "matt davignon" cc: Subject: Re: LD mailing list question 01/05/01 04:02 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. >From: lindsay@pavestone.com > > >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the >this one for my site. > >The easiest means would be to simply start a group on >http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 10:41:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22248; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [140.192.157.52] From: "tony echos" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:35:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2001 15:35:08.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[15BAA100:01C0772D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i do not recieve spam. i un-checked that box as well. its usually there. you gotta look hard sometimes! tony >From: lindsay@pavestone.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LD mailing list question >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:15:14 -0600 > > > >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. > >Really? I'm subscribed to four or five EGroup mailing lists and use my >very well-protected work address (I've got a hotmail and yahoo account for >the fluff) and receive NO spam. Then again, I do ALWAYS find and un-check >that little box that indicates, "Yes! Allow EGroups to notify me of >exciting opportunities..." when signing up. > >For what it's worth. > >Go loopers. > > > > > "matt davignon" > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > tmail.com> cc: > Subject: Re: LD mailing >list question > 01/05/01 04:02 > AM > Please respond > to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The >company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few >months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam > >in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of >messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies >like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. > > > >From: lindsay@pavestone.com > > > > >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the > >this one for my site. > > > >The easiest means would be to simply start a group on > >http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 11:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24040; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A55F76E.B11A352A@magi.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:33:50 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings: I just received my echoplex two days ago. I'm quite happy with it so far. During the time I was waiting to receive it, I had time to read over the entire manual. I've got a pretty good grasp on it, however there are still a couple of things I'm not clear on. Is it possible to control the volume of the loop playback (not the feedback) using a volume pedal? dave http://www.mp3.com/nero From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 11:59:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24596; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:56:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:56:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: edp question Message-ID: <0056910009552050000002L102*@MHS> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:57:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 01/05/01 10:50:04" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA24560 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When Loop/Delay=Out, the pedal plugged into the Feedback Jack controls the output volume of the loop. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 11:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24586; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:55:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c07738$01b83fe0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:53:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The > company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few > months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam > in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of > messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies > like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. Alas, Mexico and Argentina - to say nothing of the Italy and the Baltic states - have apparently discovered the free email business, and Spam comes from 'em at an increasing rate. But it's not just because of big companies selling email lists. I came afoul of a fellow on alt.music.makers.soloact sometime in October-November - and, despite my having participated in the ng beforehand he decided that I was spamming, and decided to publicly deride an invitation to listen to MP3 as spam, giving the reason that MP3.com asks for an email address the first time one wants to listen to anything. I defended myself - perhaps a bad thing to do in such cases - and within a few days began to receive huge volumes of spam from Argentina servers. Turns out this happened to others at the newsgroup there in the past, so when I got one that purported to be from Microsoft, when of course it wasn't, I not only sent the message along to abuse@microsoft.com, I also gave them this chap's address. A week later the spam stopped coming altogether, and I got a note from Microsoft thanking me for my effort. Damn, and I'd hoped for more free software! :) So I don't think it's an eGroups thing at all. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 12:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25761; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:02:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:02:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c07738$3d409350$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3A55F76E.B11A352A@magi.com> Subject: Re: edp question Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:54:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is it possible to control the volume of the loop playback (not the > feedback) using a volume pedal? I suppose it depends on your plumbing (wet/dry/FX send or inline), but can't you just put the vol.ped. after the EDP? (I think I missed something in your question...) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 12:44:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26694; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.123.181.14] From: "Tracy Jenkins" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: anyone with experience with Jambient? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:34:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2001 17:35:00.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[D41E9BA0:01C0773D] Resent-Message-ID: <2RtGUC.A.kgG.iXgV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just downloaded Jambient and want to use it to try create soundscapes for theatre and clubs. Is there anyone else out there using this tool? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 13:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27436; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:58:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:58:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:54:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101051754.f05Hs6p06820@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: anyone with experience with Jambient? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is it shareware, where can I take a look at it? At 12:34 p.m. 05/01/01 -0500, you wrote: >I just downloaded Jambient and want to use it to try create soundscapes for >theatre and clubs. Is there anyone else out there using this tool? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 13:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28455; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:09:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:09:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010105093927.00a7d3e0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:39:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:09 PM 1/3/01 -0800, *i* wrote: >anyone care to share their latest looping technique discoveries? ... another trick: - you lucky stereo loopists: an X/Y controller (like the Kaoss Pad) driving pan on the X axis and reverb mix on the Y axis makes it very convenient to "place" overdubs in the stereo field. this creates amazing panoramic soundscape type stuff from multiple overdubs placing different "instruments" in different locations. it also helps to drop the level some and add a bit of high cut as an instrument gets farther away. a variation on this is to drive pan & reverb mix from lfo's that automatically "walk" the instrument around the stereo field. when Repeater arrives, or with a few EDPs, we can record loops, then mix them down to another pair while manually swirling the instrument around with an X/Y controller. namaste, dan ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 15:26:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31968; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:14:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm definitely on egroups. I can only assume that's why I'm getting all of that Argentinean SPAM. I tried signing up again to the CT list, and it said that I just needed to be approved by the list moderator. That was in the middle of December. Egroups still says that my membership is pending. Who's the moderator? -Hans -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Hans, We're not that picky. I don't see you in the list on egroups, but that's most likely because of some email error. You might want to try again. I think you have to already be registered on egroups, which is free, and doable from www.egroups.com (the main page). Best, Matt Davignon >From: Hans Lindauer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:55:27 -0800 > >Speaking of the CT-Collective, I joined the mailing list and haven't heard >a >reply yet. Does that mean I didn't make the cut? > >-Hans > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > > >Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase >magazine: > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 16:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01328; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Loop Sighting Message-ID: <0056910009561191000002L112*@MHS> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:17:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 01/05/01 15:07:41" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA01283 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI, last weekend I saw the recent Hollywood movie Finding Forrester. It has nice Bill Frisell loops used quite a bit in the background plus very nice Miles Davis Bitches Brew era excerpts. Pretty good movie too. The sound track is especially good for those of us that recognize the music! Good to see Mr. Frisell hitting the big time. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 16:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01919; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:26:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0775e$b6e70b00$4eb06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> <004401c07690$47dfee80$0a6466c3@main> Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:50:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another suggestion. The way I work is I 'trap' a sound for as long as I want it to run by having the feedback path set at unity. This is under the control of a footpedal. When I want to let the loop die away I ease back on the pedal according to how slowly I want the loop to die away, (I use this method to quieten the loop if necessary too). What I've found is that introducing a gentle low pass filter into this loop makes the dying loop sound more natural and de-focusses it in terms of the listener's attention. An interesting effect is to place a high pass filter in the feedback path so the sound kind of fizzles out - good for spacey stuff : ) Gareth > suggestion > > put a 1/4 sec fade on the start of your sample and a 1/4 fade out at the > end - no more > nasty clicks when u loop! > > concept7@earthspike.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dan mcmullen > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: looping tips and tricks 2001 > > > > anyone care to share their latest looping technique discoveries? i'm > > imagining quick little tips or tricks that make your looping easier or > more > > fun. even "obvious" things that may have been mentioned before would be > > good. to get things rolling: > > > > - when overdubbing, i recently put a volume pedal of some sort in front of > > the looper to avoid the sharp little blips in background noise from > turning > > overdubbing on & off by fading in before & after the overdub. this is > > particularly useful when looping acoustic instruments using a microphone > > while hearing the current loop on monitors. (this probably falls into the > > obvious category, but when i finally set this up, it made overdubbing much > > more "relaxed".) [general interest] > > > > - i'm using the Peavy PC1600 fader box to control feedback on an EDP using > > MIDI. by making one fader the "master" of the feedback footpedal, i can > > set the minimum feedback level that the footpedal can generate by lowering > > the master fader. this lets me use the entire range of the footpedal's > > travel to smoothly make a transition from full feedback to the exact > amount > > i'm aiming for. much easier than trying to judge what fraction of the > > footpedal's travel will get me the right amount of feedback. [edp/peavy > > pc1600] > > > > i may think of more later, but for now, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-... > > dan > > ___ > > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 16:39:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01984; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:28:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3E1D@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop Sighting Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:26:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com go bill!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Sighting FYI, last weekend I saw the recent Hollywood movie Finding Forrester. It has nice Bill Frisell loops used quite a bit in the background plus very nice Miles Davis Bitches Brew era excerpts. Pretty good movie too. The sound track is especially good for those of us that recognize the music! Good to see Mr. Frisell hitting the big time. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 20:18:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08419; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:16:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:16:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.123.181.14] From: "Tracy Jenkins" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: anyone with experience with Jambient? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:12:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2001 01:12:52.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[CADF19D0:01C0777D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jambient is a free download from www.jambient.com >From: Andy Soto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: anyone with experience with Jambient? >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:54:06 -0600 (CST) > > > is it shareware, where can I take a look at it? > > >At 12:34 p.m. 05/01/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I just downloaded Jambient and want to use it to try create soundscapes >for > >theatre and clubs. Is there anyone else out there using this tool? > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 21:38:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10073; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:36:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:36:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:35:35 -0800 X-Sender: jc@pop.lynx.bc.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jc maillet Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Resent-Message-ID: <_CDMLC.A.EdC.7RoV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The >company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few >months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam >in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of >messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies >like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. ... life in the false loop of free-dom ... jc >>From: lindsay@pavestone.com >> >> >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the >>this one for my site. >> >>The easiest means would be to simply start a group on >>http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 00:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13095; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:58:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c0779d$78f707c0$75f638cb@p1q6p6> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: OT Argentinian Spam Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:59:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone said earlier on L.D. we were getting the Argentinian spam from LD I am getting this spam in increasing amounts each day and am surprised more people havent commented on it. Its OK to block it but evertime you reformat you have to do it all again Thanks Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Lindauer To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > I'm definitely on egroups. I can only assume that's why I'm getting all of > that Argentinean SPAM. I tried signing up again to the CT list, and it said > that I just needed to be approved by the list moderator. That was in the > middle of December. Egroups still says that my membership is pending. > Who's the moderator? > > -Hans > > > -----Original Message----- > From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > > > Hans, > > We're not that picky. I don't see you in the list on egroups, but that's > most likely because of some email error. You might want to try again. I > think you have to already be registered on egroups, which is free, and > doable from www.egroups.com (the main page). > > Best, > > Matt Davignon > > > >From: Hans Lindauer > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > > >Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:55:27 -0800 > > > >Speaking of the CT-Collective, I joined the mailing list and haven't heard > >a > >reply yet. Does that mean I didn't make the cut? > > > >-Hans > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] > >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective > > > > > >Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase > >magazine: > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 00:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13701; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c0779e$d52b59a0$75f638cb@p1q6p6> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:09:21 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear List, What do you people think is the best answer for subscribers to many music lists including L.D. and egroups? I dont like using hotmail but dont know of another answer? Thanks Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: tony echos To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:35 AM Subject: Re: LD mailing list question > i do not recieve spam. i un-checked that box as well. its usually there. you > gotta look hard sometimes! > > tony > > > >From: lindsay@pavestone.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: LD mailing list question > >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:15:14 -0600 > > > > > > >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. > > > >Really? I'm subscribed to four or five EGroup mailing lists and use my > >very well-protected work address (I've got a hotmail and yahoo account for > >the fluff) and receive NO spam. Then again, I do ALWAYS find and un-check > >that little box that indicates, "Yes! Allow EGroups to notify me of > >exciting opportunities..." when signing up. > > > >For what it's worth. > > > >Go loopers. > > > > > > > > > > "matt davignon" > > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > tmail.com> cc: > > Subject: Re: LD mailing > >list question > > 01/05/01 04:02 > > AM > > Please respond > > to > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > >I use egroups and I think it's worth it, but it's not quite free. The > >company makes it's money by selling email addresses to spammers. A few > >months after joining an egroups list, I started receiving all sorts of spam > > > >in Spanish and English. Some of it is a little unnerving. I get lots of > >messages from weight loss groups telling me I'm fat. Insurance companies > >like to subtly suggest that I'm going to die soon. > > > > > > >From: lindsay@pavestone.com > > > > > > >I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the > > >this one for my site. > > > > > >The easiest means would be to simply start a group on > > >http://www.egroups.com linked to your site. Fast, free and easy. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 04:23:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18878; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F91801C2@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:19:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:55 PM -0800 1/4/01, Todd Quincy wrote: >This is primarily for Kim but I thought others may benefit. > >Kim, I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the >this one for my site. Is this a program I can buy, how much space will it >eat up. The Looper's Delight mailing list runs on Smartlist, a free and open-sourced mailing list application that has been around for many years. Smartlist runs on unix and linux servers, and if you are reasonably comfortable with that it is not hard to set up. I run it on an x86 based linux server. I like Smartlist because it is very fast and very easy to customize any way you like. It readily offers most options you might want for a list, but then there is a user community that has created many additional add-ons over the years. And if you get more adventurous you can code your own. Smartlist is based on procmail, a free and open-sourced mail scripting language that is widely used on unix and linux servers for mail processing. You can find info on both at http://www.procmail.org. eGroups is probably easier to set up, but then as listowner you are giving up control over your's and the list's destiny. You will be at the mercy of their policies and the future viability of their shakey dotcom business plan. Personally, I'm not willing to do that. Indeed, I even took Looper's Delight out of the world of retail web-hosting for similar reasons. Everywhere I tried I found the services to be far too unreliable and the quality of support to be incompetent on a good day. You never know when a host company is going to blink out of business without warning, or sell your accounts to some other company that has no idea what they are doing. (that happened to me twice.) Some of you probably remember a couple years ago when the site was completely offline for significant chunks of time due to lame web hosting companies. I couldn't tolerate that any longer. Also, with a site as large as Looper's Delight, the incremental charges I was forced to pay as things grew became exhorbitant. Especially considering how lousy the service was and that you usually share the server with hundreds of other sites doing who knows what. So instead I got my own server at a co-location facility, and partnered with a couple of other mid-sized sites to share the cost. I've not had any problems since. We have a whole server to ourselves, we have total control over it and can do anything we want, and we have plenty of breathing room to grow, and it is cheaper for sites this large than any retail web-host. (in fact, we can fit another partner, if anybody with a large site is interested.) Another benefit to running your own list: If you are a business, or you want a more professional feel to your site, or you want a more integrated user community, keeping it all together on one site is definitely the way to go. The list will bring people to the rest of your site and vice-versa. Likewise, archives of the list will bring in new users from search engines, who will then likely explore the rest of your site. This will increase traffic and participation at your site exponentially, while giving users a more complete experience. (Looper's Delight now gets about 400,000 hits a month from about 60,000 different visitors, mainly due to the archive - and it keeps growing like a weed....) You won't get that effect with an outside service like eGroups. But if you just want to throw together some temporary discussion list and you don't care about such things, eGroups is probably easier to deal with. Some other technical details for you geeks out there: the Looper's Delight mailing list archive is automatically put together using Mhonarc, a wonderful mail-to-html convertor. (http://www.mhonarc.org) The search engine is an older version of glimpse, which is nice and fast, although a bit buggy. (we built in some work-arounds for the bugs....) At the top is a program tying glimpse and mhonarc together called "wilma". Wilma is functional but cosmetically ugly. I've been meaning to get in and give it a face-lift but haven't gotten around to it. Such changes are easy though, because again: wilma is open-sourced and free! You can find all three of those through the mhonarc site. hope this was interesting, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 04:24:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18967; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:23:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010104212845.007ba6b0@pop.ici.net> References: <01C0728E.B40F06A0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:22:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:28 PM -0800 1/4/01, Tim Nelson wrote: >Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase magazine: > hey, that's great guys! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 04:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19268; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:47:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:47:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004401c07690$47dfee80$0a6466c3@main> References: <3.0.5.32.20010103150933.00904230@mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:46:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:52 PM -0800 1/4/01, Earthspike wrote: >suggestion > >put a 1/4 sec fade on the start of your sample and a 1/4 fade out at the >end - no more >nasty clicks when u loop! > >concept7@earthspike.com > wouldn't a 1/4 second on each end of the loop be very audible? That's a half-second drop out.... unless you mean a crossfade between end and beginning. In the echoplex anyway, such a thing is not necessary. It uses a crossfading technique when the loop is recorded so you don't get any clicks at the startpoint of the loop or when you overdub. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 05:11:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19921; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:09:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001c01c0779d$78f707c0$75f638cb@p1q6p6> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:08:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT Argentinian Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:59 PM -0800 1/5/01, stevenw wrote: >Someone said earlier on L.D. we were getting the Argentinian spam from LD >I am getting this spam in increasing amounts each day and am surprised more >people havent commented on it. > It is not possible for spam to come through the LD list. Only subscribers are allowed to post, so the list cannot be used for spamming. Just being subscribed to the list will not get you spammed. However, posts to the list do end up in a public web archive where anybody can get the address you post with if they want. It is quite clear that spanish speaking countries have discovered spam. I also get spam in russian, korean, italian, japanese, chinese, etc. just think of it as an opportunity to learn new languages. Of course, you will only be able to talk about get rich quick schemes and porn, but it's a start. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 06:08:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20865; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:06:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:06:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Omadawn@aol.com Message-ID: <43.ef00d15.278855f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:05:27 EST Subject: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <5aIGmD.A.1FF.cwvV6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings to all on Loopers' Delight, a truly amazing group site. I have been enjoying the phenomenal variety of useful looping and equipment insights here for some time, eagerly awaiting the day I too could own a EDP. I have been sort of looping for years with an old Roland 301 chorus/echo, which just finally bit the dust after 20-some years of use- not bad for an analog relic! Does anyone know where I can get this dear old friend repaired? Best would be as close to Ithaca, NY as possible for shipping costs. The symptom is very sluggish motor speed, almost zip oomph. I'm also on the lookout for a roland 555, the rackmount balanced-in version chorus/echo. Now that I am recently looper-less, I took the leap and just received shipment on an Oberheim Digital Echoplex three days ago- I bought it on Digibid for $380 with a beige color coordinated footpedal with 7 red buttons, 4 megs memory and the latest software update. So far it seems to work o.k., but the low price has me a bit nervous still. Then I read Kim's post of Gibson shipping improved units to the states soon. How do these new units compare to the older machines? Has anyone tried one yet? Thanks for the great site! Omadawn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 11:13:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26589; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:11:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:11:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <66.afa0135.27889d54@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:09:56 EST Subject: loops in film To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so, as some of y'all seem mildly interested in 'loops' being featured in films, ya may wanna check (or, re-check) some of these celluloidal bits to which i've contributed textural (& other) devices: traffic- (out now) book of shadows/blair witch 2- (2000) snake eyes the velvet goldmine the chamber the beast three kings fear the corruptor theme:murder kalifornia reversal of fortune the big lebowski tibet a dangerous woman the deep end- (prem. at sundance, 2001) the score- (2001) a knight's tale- (2001) romeo is bleeding storyville the general's daughter conspiracy theory et cetera best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's (@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 11:56:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27421; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:54:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:54:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015301c07800$72d3f340$583c5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist # 198 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #198 January 4, 2001. On this show, I started a month-long focus on Mind~Flux, a.k.a. Thomas Fanger and Michael Kersten. The feature CD at Midnight was their newest CD "Splashdown" on the Manikin label. Mind~Flux http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jan Tonight's program was dedicated to the memory of Tina Peschke, the wife of my friend Jens who also is a member of Kubusschnitt. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Kubusschnitt Cube The Cube (Neu Harmony) Ozone Player Minibar Insane Logic (Oy Visual Power) Cassiel Dragon's Domain Listen/Move (Atomic City) Cassiel The Cathcart Circle Listen/Move (Atomic City) Cassiel Insidious Sedation Listen/Move (Atomic City) OZMA 61 Cygni A Huge And Silent Place (Atomic City) Klaus Schulze The Keyhole Contemporary Works (Rainhorse/Manikin) Klaus Schulze Privat * Contemporary Works (Rainhorse/Manikin) 12:00 am Fanger & Kersten Planet Intro Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Alien Vocabulary Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Water Theme (Part 1) Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Autumn Kiss Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Scary Waters Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Watersign Splashdown (Manikin) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Fanger and Kersten a.k.a. Mind~Flux. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Script" on the Manikin label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 12:28:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28413; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <102465.41@compuserve.com> Sender: 102465.41@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3A57534A.2C4A246F@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:18:02 -0500 From: tapehiss <102465.41@compuserve.com> Organization: tapehiss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Tapegerm List Subject: Re: LD mailing list question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, We have been discussing doing something similar with Tapegerm.com. Currently our e-groups list is an internal one for discussion amongst the 25 loopers that make up Tapegerm, and we haven't seen any need to change this, but we are running our site on some donated server space and have been loking for some ways to find a situation where we can share server space and have it pay for itself. Mostly what we need our internal ftp access for sharing loops, and website as well on which we are planning to offering more things down the road. My question to you is how have you been able to get it to pay for itself? Thanks for any insight you might be able to provide. Scott Carr http://www.tapegerm.com Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 2:55 PM -0800 1/4/01, Todd Quincy wrote: > >This is primarily for Kim but I thought others may benefit. > > > >Kim, I would like to know how I would be create a email-chatroom like the > >this one for my site. Is this a program I can buy, how much space will it > >eat up. > > The Looper's Delight mailing list runs on Smartlist, a free and > open-sourced mailing list application that has been around for many years. > Smartlist runs on unix and linux servers, and if you are reasonably > comfortable with that it is not hard to set up. I run it on an x86 based > linux server. I like Smartlist because it is very fast and very easy to > customize any way you like. It readily offers most options you might want > for a list, but then there is a user community that has created many > additional add-ons over the years. And if you get more adventurous you can > code your own. Smartlist is based on procmail, a free and open-sourced > mail scripting language that is widely used on unix and linux servers for > mail processing. You can find info on both at http://www.procmail.org. > > eGroups is probably easier to set up, but then as listowner you are giving > up control over your's and the list's destiny. You will be at the mercy of > their policies and the future viability of their shakey dotcom business > plan. Personally, I'm not willing to do that. > > Indeed, I even took Looper's Delight out of the world of retail web-hosting > for similar reasons. Everywhere I tried I found the services to be far too > unreliable and the quality of support to be incompetent on a good day. You > never know when a host company is going to blink out of business without > warning, or sell your accounts to some other company that has no idea what > they are doing. (that happened to me twice.) Some of you probably remember > a couple years ago when the site was completely offline for significant > chunks of time due to lame web hosting companies. I couldn't tolerate that > any longer. Also, with a site as large as Looper's Delight, the incremental > charges I was forced to pay as things grew became exhorbitant. Especially > considering how lousy the service was and that you usually share the server > with hundreds of other sites doing who knows what. > > So instead I got my own server at a co-location facility, and partnered > with a couple of other mid-sized sites to share the cost. I've not had any > problems since. We have a whole server to ourselves, we have total control > over it and can do anything we want, and we have plenty of breathing room > to grow, and it is cheaper for sites this large than any retail web-host. > (in fact, we can fit another partner, if anybody with a large site is > interested.) > > Another benefit to running your own list: If you are a business, or you > want a more professional feel to your site, or you want a more integrated > user community, keeping it all together on one site is definitely the way > to go. The list will bring people to the rest of your site and vice-versa. > Likewise, archives of the list will bring in new users from search engines, > who will then likely explore the rest of your site. This will increase > traffic and participation at your site exponentially, while giving users a > more complete experience. (Looper's Delight now gets about 400,000 hits a > month from about 60,000 different visitors, mainly due to the archive - and > it keeps growing like a weed....) You won't get that effect with an > outside service like eGroups. But if you just want to throw together some > temporary discussion list and you don't care about such things, eGroups is > probably easier to deal with. > > Some other technical details for you geeks out there: the Looper's Delight > mailing list archive is automatically put together using Mhonarc, a > wonderful mail-to-html convertor. (http://www.mhonarc.org) The search > engine is an older version of glimpse, which is nice and fast, although a > bit buggy. (we built in some work-arounds for the bugs....) At the top is > a program tying glimpse and mhonarc together called "wilma". Wilma is > functional but cosmetically ugly. I've been meaning to get in and give it a > face-lift but haven't gotten around to it. Such changes are easy though, > because again: wilma is open-sourced and free! You can find all three of > those through the mhonarc site. > > hope this was interesting, > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tape_hiss and our sites on the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://www.mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://www.mp3.com/hebephrenica ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 13:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30236; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010106185439.28919.qmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the same position, waiting for moderator approval. stephen > I tried signing up again to > the CT list, and it said > that I just needed to be approved by the list > moderator. That was in the > middle of December. Egroups still says that my > membership is pending. > Who's the moderator? > > -Hans ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 14:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31048; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a001.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.1] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <00c801c07857$6c556ec0$f42cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: NAMM show Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:10:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi loopists, are any of you going to NAMM? I'll be playing on the Modulus basses and Ashdown Amp stands at various times over the weekend, all being well with a DL4, JamMan and MPX-G2 in tow. I've then got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel free to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. I may also have a gig in Santa Cruz and/or SF on the Monday and/or Tuesday of that week, I'll let you know... :o) cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 14:22:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31429; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:14:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT Argentinian Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02d501c07814$f4961750$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It is quite clear that spanish speaking countries have discovered spam. I > also get spam in russian, korean, italian, japanese, chinese, etc. just > think of it as an opportunity to learn new languages. Of course, you will > only be able to talk about get rich quick schemes and porn, but it's a > start. > > kim that's a feature. you can learn the entire vocabulary in a few days... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 16:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01811; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:23:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: NAMM show Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:24:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <00c801c07857$6c556ec0$f42cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to go to NAMM, but I went to their web site and it looks like one has to be in music retail to get in. I know a lot of folks go that don't have this credential... so what's the best way for a lay person (musician) to get in? Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:11 PM > To: Loop List > Subject: NAMM show > > > Hi loopists, > > are any of you going to NAMM? I'll be playing on the Modulus > basses and Ashdown Amp stands at various times over the weekend, > all being well with a DL4, JamMan and MPX-G2 in tow. I've then > got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December > (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel > free to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, > 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. > > I may also have a gig in Santa Cruz and/or SF on the Monday > and/or Tuesday of that week, I'll let you know... :o) > > cheers > > Steve > web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > > "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 16:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02265; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:45:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:45:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:44:09 +0000 Subject: Re: NAMM show From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd like to go to NAMM, but I went to their web site and it looks like one > has to be in music retail to get in. I know a lot of folks go that don't > have this credential... so what's the best way for a lay person (musician) > to get in? Some people manage to get passes from their local music shop, or via manufacturers that they know... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 17:21:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03315; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:18:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20010106171053.00a90980@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:17:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --Boomerang dealers/prices-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers: A friend is looking for a new Boomerang, the souped up new version, but doesn't want to pay whatever Guitar Center was asking--it seemed a lot to me when he told me the price, but i forget what it was. Maybe ~$500. Anyone have leads on cheaper deals? Does Alto music (who seem to be popular here, and tend to list members' needs well) sell the 'Rang? Anyone have any good experiences purchasing one in the U.S. lately? Thanks, pjk --mundus vult decipi-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 17:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03769; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:40:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:40:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.26.80.153] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spam discussion Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:39:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2001 22:39:07.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A8D8700:01C07831] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are being spammed, most likely your email address was obtained by a searchbot harvesting email addresses from publicly viewable websites, such as the archives of Listserv sites, etc. This is NOT limited to the Loopers Delight archive, obviously! My humble advice: 1. Do NOT post to email lists, newsgroups, etc. from your "true" email address. Instead, obtain a free email address from Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. and use that address instead. 2. Do NOT open spam email in your true account. Some of them use special graphic files that send notification to the sender that you opened the email, signalling the sender to continue sending more spam to you. Just delete the email without opening it. Hope this helps, Paolo P.S. Nice loop work by Torn on Meshell Ndegeocello's Bitter CD _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 18:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04782; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:23:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010106232225.43167.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Omadawn@aol.com wrote:for shipping costs. > Now that I am recently looper-less, I took the leap and just received > > shipment on an Oberheim Digital Echoplex three days ago- I bought it > on > Digibid for $380 with a beige color coordinated footpedal with 7 red > buttons, > 4 megs memory and the latest software update. So far it seems to work > o.k., > but the low price has me a bit nervous still. Omadawn, It is a good thing that you wrote this list so soon after buying the Oberheim echoplex digital pro. You are right to be nervous. If you value your life, you need to get rid of this immediately. An Oberheim EDP for $380 is clearly a danger to you and your family. Email me directly (echoplex@yahoo.com) and I will give you detailed instructions on where to ship this, for your safety. I am experienced with these Oberheim beasts, and will dispose of it properly and safely. No need to thank me, I am just doing my duty. > > Then I read Kim's post of Gibson shipping improved units to the > states soon. > How do these new units compare to the older machines? Has anyone > tried one > yet? I think you misread Kim's post. The Gibson echoplex digital pro is the exact same machine as the Oberheim echoplex digital pros. Well, there is one difference. The word Gibson replaces the word Oberheim on the labels. The later Oberheim production units had a few engineering changes (resistors, pals, firmware, voltage regulator) from the early Oberheim production units (1994?,1995?). You mention yours has the latest software, which is one of the more important engineering changes for the Oberheim. If you have the cool running voltage regulator, then odds are it is either a late model Oberheim, or has been upgrated to be equivalent. You can determine which voltage regulator is in the echoplex visually, or thermally. Turn on the Oberheim, and leave it on for an hour or so. With your hand, feel the top cover, near the rear of the unit. If it is hot, you have the old voltage regulator. You can also look at the back panel of the Oberheim, to the left of the Oberheim Logo. There is a screw hole there. The old units had a screw there that attached the internal heatsink (for the 2 voltage regulators) to the back wall. In the units with the newer voltage regulators there is no heatsink, so there is no screw to the back wall. To confirm conclusively which regulator you have, remove the top cover, and look at the printed circuit board near the back wall, near the oberheim logo. If you see a rectangular block of metal (heatsink) attached to the back wall, and attached to 2 voltage regulators (2 chips with 3 legs each), then you have the old style (hot) regulators. If there is no heatsink, and only 1 voltage regulator (1 chip with 3 legs), then you have the new style. Remember to ship the unit to me right away, then you can rest at ease ;-) bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 18:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04938; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A57AA54.3F2AF9AD@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:29:24 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM show References: <00c801c07857$6c556ec0$f42cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson wrote: > > Hi loopists, > I've then got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December > (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel free > to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, > 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. December is over dude. Maybe you mean January? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 19:32:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06102; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:27:20 +0000 Subject: Re: NAMM show From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A57AA54.3F2AF9AD@virtulink.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Hi loopists, >> I've then got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December >> (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel free >> to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, >> 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. > > December is over dude. Maybe you mean January? Oops - me being braindead, sorry about that - yes I do mean January - sorry about that... A bass clinic on christmas day? Think it might be poorly attended? :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 19:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06233; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:35:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:35:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I need 4 more people for a compilation - field recordings Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:33:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2001 00:33:59.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[869CBC40:01C07841] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (First of all, yes, this is a huge email. Sorry to the folks who are not interested, but it is on topic and it is all relevant text that I had to get in there.) Hey everyone, I have another CT-Collective compilation in the signup stage right now. The aim is to record field recordings of the city (or town, or rural area) you live in, or a similar location that you're visiting, then to create music from those field recordings. I announced this project to the CT group on Wednesday. I was expecting to struggle to get 10 people from different geographic areas, and I very quickly got 16. So this project is going to be in 2 volumes, and I'm now looking for 4 more people to round out Volume 2. Very Important: Since I'm specifically aiming to get a wide variety of cities in this project, I can't let two people represent the same area. People who do not live in North America or Europe are especially encouraged! Here are the areas I already have represented: San Francisco, California Los Angeles, California New York City Atlanta, Georgia Austin, Texas Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Bloomington, Minnesota (Minneapolis/St. Paul area) Lafayette, Indiana Mexico City Garda Lake, Italy Pretty much all of the United Kingdom (we already have 3 participants) Kuerten, Germany Eskilstuna, Sweden If you can represent an area other than the ones listed, and you'd like to take part in this (for more details, see the rules posted below), please email me directly. I imagine there could be a lot of demand for this, so it's best to email me soon, and I apologize in advance for the people I won't be able to fit, but I can only take 4. These next two paragraphs are general facts about most CT Projects. Participants will join a seperate email discussion list, hosted by Egroups.com. (I'm the moderator of this group, and I'm here, so the 4 people I take should have no trouble getting in.) Finished tracks can be sent to me by mail in the form of music on a CD-R or tape, or a .wav file on CD-R. I can also take .wav files over the internet, but they have to be posted somewhere. Sorry, I can't take MiniDisc, DAT, or ZIP/Jazz discs. We all chip in for the costs of the discs and artwork that we'll all recieve. That will most likely be around $8-$10 per participant, and you'll recieve both volumes. Why is it so cheap? Well, first they'll be on CD-R, probably with very nice black and white artwork. Secondly, you don't have to chip in for extra copies unless you want some. When we're done, I will be offering these for sale online for $5 per disc. That's pretty much what they'll cost me to make and mail. Since they're CD-R's I can make them as I sell them. I've historically been the distributor of the CT-Projects, but I'm not greedy. If another participant wants to make and sell them the same way I do, we'll figure out a way to make that work. In short, these compilations are not for profit. They're a chance to collaborate with new people, and to try something most of us probably haven't done before. (I certainly haven't done music from field recordings before, anyway.) Okay, here are the rules for this project in particular: CT-Location project rules. Ok. Here's the idea: I want to get (a total of) 20 musicians from around the world to represent their various cities or geographic locations where they live. These people will go out and record sounds from the areas they encounter in their day-to-day life. Then they'll construct "music" from these sounds they recorded. The result will be to get a survey of 1) the day to day life of different areas around the world, and 2) the intuitions, interests, and techniques of the musicians recording and "remixing" the sounds. Here are the project rules: 1) 10 musicians with a time limit of 7 minutes each for each disc. Musicians are allowed to divide their time into 2 or more pieces of music to represent different aspects of their "cities". 2) By "Cities", I'm not limiting this project to urban areas. If you live out in the countryside or in a suburb, that's perfectly fine. "City" is about the amount of land area I'm looking for. 3) Since I'm trying to get a nice variety of geographical locations represented, I'm not going to allow 2 people to represent the same city. 4) However, if two people who live in the same city want to join, they can both contribute if one of them is traveling to a different location, and wants to represent that other location. For example, if two New Yorkers want to join, but one was going to base his music on sounds from his vacation spot in Wyoming instead of New York City, that would be perfectly fine. 5) You must be able to send at least one photograph of the area you're representing, and it has to be a photograph taken by you or a friend of yours (not taken from a National Geographic, for example). I'd like to use these photos somehow in the artwork or the front cover. How photos can be submitted will be up to whoever's doing the artwork. Hopefully, these photographs will represent the day to day life in these areas (not pictures of the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower), but I'm not going to set a rule about that last part. 6) You can't play your instruments on this one. You can't re-record any of your old songs from a stereo, or instruct other people to perform on command either. You can record street musicians, music playing from passing cars or stores, people humming and singing amongst themselves, yourself interacting with your environment (walking, using ATM machines, etc.), animals, all sorts of stuff! Most of the performance aspects of this are going to be when you re-organize your source recordings to make your final pieces of music. 7) Of course, your final submissions must be made entirely of your field recordings. You can process, loop and rearrange them however you want. If the track you send me has nothing to do with, or clearly breaks these rules, it's simply not going to be on the compilation. (For example, if the track you submit is of you playing guitar, or is your latest synth-techno hit.) 8) Final submission date: Postmarked by June 1st for Volume 2. (I might back this up within the next week.) Here are some examples of this kind of music that I know about: Alejandra and Underwood: "Notebook on Cities and Clothes" - These guys did a tour last year where each performance is created entirely from laptop-manipulated sounds of another city. This is a disc of these live shows. Most of the music is created by making simple loops or playing passages in stereo slightly out of phase with each other. Christophe Charles: "Undirected 1986-1996" and Oval: "Dok" - Christophe Charles made several recordings of different city sounds - bells, crowds, machinery, traffic, and altered, layered, and rearranged some of it to create kind of spooky minimal 'soundscapes'. Oval then borrowed a lot of Mr. Charles' source recordings and ran them through his trademark digital music-making process to create the CD 'Dok', which sounds quite different. Tetsu Inoue, Charles Uzzell-Edwards, and Daimon Beail: "Audio" - Actually, I just bought this CD, so I'm not sure exactly how they did it, but the music is created entirely from source recordings made at different street corners in San Francisco. Michael Peters: My2k webpage : http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k/index.htm A lot of Michael Peters' 10 second songs for this project involve source recordings. The Quiet American . This guy provides his excellent music in streaming mp3 and real audio! He travels to different areas of the world, and makes looped music from his source recordings there. Thanks for your patience! Even though this mail seems strict, I'm sure we're going to have a lot of fun doing this, and I'm confident that it's going to be a nice comp when we're done! Best, Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 19:41:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06435; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:40:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yes, Source Product is still on! Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:39:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2001 00:39:05.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D4CC570:01C07842] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those people who saw my last post about the new CT-Location project. If you said, "Wait, wasn't he already doing a comp?" The answer is yes. I'm still finishing up the Source Product compilation that I started last year. (www.mp3.com/sourceproduct) We have 3 more tracks to be received for the 2nd and final disc. One is being finished this weekend. The other 2 are supposedly en route to me. Once they're received, I go on the mastering phase for the "Product" disc, while the artwork guy will do, um, the artwork. Then it'll be done! I set up the submission date for the new project so I won't have to worry too much about it until after S/P is already finished. Best, Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 19:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06763; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:45:52 EST Subject: Re: feedback insert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 218 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/6/01 8:56:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << An interesting effect is to place a high pass filter in the feedback path so the sound kind of fizzles out - good for spacey stuff : ) >> --->Wow - I've always wanted to be able to do this. Are you doing this on an EDP or what? None of my loopers/delays allow for an insert to the feedback path. I've been toying with the idea of dropping bux for a Mooger analog delay that has this provision, but I think it only does 800ms or so. -eric p echo park Back on the LD after almost a year! Well, digest, anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 20:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07969; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:39:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c0784a$6d59f960$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: NAMM show Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:37:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Um... times may have changed, but last time I went to NAMM was 1983. I was doing music software at the time and my only credential was a business card that said something about 'multimedia'. No hassles. Wonder if that still works? I was glad I went though, at he Electro-Harmonix card table (haha) I met Mike Matthews and bought an EH-16 'Fripp-in-a box' from him. Never used those Teac 4-tracks for looping again! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: RE: NAMM show > I'd like to go to NAMM, but I went to their web site and it looks like one > has to be in music retail to get in. I know a lot of folks go that don't > have this credential... so what's the best way for a lay person (musician) > to get in? > > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] > > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:11 PM > > To: Loop List > > Subject: NAMM show > > > > > > Hi loopists, > > > > are any of you going to NAMM? I'll be playing on the Modulus > > basses and Ashdown Amp stands at various times over the weekend, > > all being well with a DL4, JamMan and MPX-G2 in tow. I've then > > got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December > > (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel > > free to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, > > 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. > > > > I may also have a gig in Santa Cruz and/or SF on the Monday > > and/or Tuesday of that week, I'll let you know... :o) > > > > cheers > > > > Steve > > web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > > mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > > > > "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 20:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08176; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66.afa0135.27889d54@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:43:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loops in film Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:09 AM -0800 1/6/01, Texture444@aol.com wrote: >so, as some of y'all seem mildly interested in 'loops' being featured in >films, ya may wanna check (or, re-check) some of these celluloidal bits to >which i've contributed textural (& other) devices: > >traffic- (out now) >book of shadows/blair witch 2- (2000) wow, spanning the best film of the year and the worst! what a resume! :-) (at least that's what my local paper says, I haven't seen either of them...) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 20:50:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08223; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:23 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200101070145.UAA20496@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't understand something... if you set up a hotmail account for the purposes of posting to a mailing list, howe are you going to read you eamil other than by using that same account? If that account gets spammed, then your gonna get the spam anyway when you go to read the mailing list articles. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 21:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08557; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:57:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:57:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010107015639.17396.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:56:39 -0800 (PST) From: d mendenhall Subject: Re: I need 4 more people for a compilation - field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please include me in... i have not read the entire message but i want in. Lawrence, ks is the town... a very little-big city in the US. downtown is great. let me know.... dakota --- matt davignon wrote: > (First of all, yes, this is a huge email. Sorry to > the folks who are not > interested, but it is on topic and it is all > relevant text that I had to get > in there.) > > Hey everyone, > > I have another CT-Collective compilation in the > signup stage right now. The > aim is to record field recordings of the city (or > town, or rural area) you > live in, or a similar location that you're visiting, > then to create music > from those field recordings. > > I announced this project to the CT group on > Wednesday. I was expecting to > struggle to get 10 people from different geographic > areas, and I very > quickly got 16. So this project is going to be in 2 > volumes, and I'm now > looking for 4 more people to round out Volume 2. > > Very Important: Since I'm specifically aiming to get > a wide variety of > cities in this project, I can't let two people > represent the same area. > People who do not live in North America or Europe > are especially encouraged! > Here are the areas I already have represented: > > San Francisco, California > Los Angeles, California > New York City > Atlanta, Georgia > Austin, Texas > Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Bloomington, Minnesota (Minneapolis/St. Paul area) > Lafayette, Indiana > > Mexico City > Garda Lake, Italy > Pretty much all of the United Kingdom (we already > have 3 participants) > Kuerten, Germany > Eskilstuna, Sweden > > If you can represent an area other than the ones > listed, and you'd like to > take part in this (for more details, see the rules > posted below), please > email me directly. I imagine there could be a lot of > demand for this, so > it's best to email me soon, and I apologize in > advance for the people I > won't be able to fit, but I can only take 4. > > These next two paragraphs are general facts about > most CT Projects. > Participants will join a seperate email discussion > list, hosted by > Egroups.com. (I'm the moderator of this group, and > I'm here, so the 4 people > I take should have no trouble getting in.) Finished > tracks can be sent to me > by mail in the form of music on a CD-R or tape, or a > .wav file on CD-R. I > can also take .wav files over the internet, but they > have to be posted > somewhere. Sorry, I can't take MiniDisc, DAT, or > ZIP/Jazz discs. > > We all chip in for the costs of the discs and > artwork that we'll all > recieve. That will most likely be around $8-$10 per > participant, and you'll > recieve both volumes. Why is it so cheap? Well, > first they'll be on CD-R, > probably with very nice black and white artwork. > Secondly, you don't have > to chip in for extra copies unless you want some. > When we're done, I will be > offering these for sale online for $5 per disc. > That's pretty much what > they'll cost me to make and mail. Since they're > CD-R's I can make them as I > sell them. I've historically been the distributor of > the CT-Projects, but > I'm not greedy. If another participant wants to make > and sell them the same > way I do, we'll figure out a way to make that work. > In short, these > compilations are not for profit. They're a chance to > collaborate with new > people, and to try something most of us probably > haven't done before. (I > certainly haven't done music from field recordings > before, anyway.) > > Okay, here are the rules for this project in > particular: > > CT-Location project rules. > > Ok. Here's the idea: I want to get (a total of) 20 > musicians from around the > world to represent their various cities or > geographic locations where they > live. These people will go out and record sounds > from the areas they > encounter in their day-to-day life. Then they'll > construct "music" from > these sounds they recorded. The result will be to > get a survey of 1) the day > to day life of different areas around the world, and > 2) the intuitions, > interests, and techniques of the musicians recording > and "remixing" the > sounds. > > Here are the project rules: > > 1) 10 musicians with a time limit of 7 minutes each > for each disc. Musicians > are allowed to divide their time into 2 or more > pieces of music to represent > different aspects of their "cities". > 2) By "Cities", I'm not limiting this project to > urban areas. If you live > out in the countryside or in a suburb, that's > perfectly fine. "City" is > about the amount of land area I'm looking for. > 3) Since I'm trying to get a nice variety of > geographical locations > represented, I'm not going to allow 2 people to > represent the same city. > 4) However, if two people who live in the same city > want to join, they can > both contribute if one of them is traveling to a > different location, and > wants to represent that other location. For example, > if two New Yorkers want > to join, but one was going to base his music on > sounds from his vacation > spot in Wyoming instead of New York City, that would > be perfectly fine. > 5) You must be able to send at least one photograph > of the area you're > representing, and it has to be a photograph taken by > you or a friend of > yours (not taken from a National Geographic, for > example). I'd like to use > these photos somehow in the artwork or the front > cover. How photos can be > submitted will be up to whoever's doing the artwork. > Hopefully, these > photographs will represent the day to day life in > these areas (not pictures > of the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower), but > I'm not going to set a > rule about that last part. > 6) You can't play your instruments on this one. You > can't re-record any of > your old songs from a stereo, or instruct other > people to perform on command > either. You can record street musicians, music > playing from passing cars or > stores, people humming and singing amongst > themselves, yourself interacting > with your environment (walking, using ATM machines, > etc.), animals, all > sorts of stuff! Most of the performance aspects of > this are going to be when > you re-organize your source recordings to make your > final pieces of music. > 7) Of course, your final submissions must be made > entirely of your field > recordings. You can process, loop and rearrange them > however you want. If > the track you send me has nothing to do with, or > clearly breaks these rules, > it's simply not going to be on the compilation. (For > example, if the track > you submit is of you playing guitar, or is your > latest synth-techno hit.) > 8) Final submission date: Postmarked by June 1st for > Volume 2. (I might back > this up within the next week.) > > Here are some examples of this kind of music that I > know about: > > Alejandra and Underwood: "Notebook on Cities and > Clothes" - These guys did > a tour last year where each performance is created > entirely from > laptop-manipulated sounds of another city. This is a > disc of these live > shows. Most of the music is created by making simple > loops or playing > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 21:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09280; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:22:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:22:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010107022137.8783.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: I need 4 more people for a compilation - field recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1843993368-978834097=:7631" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1843993368-978834097=:7631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm in New Orleans. I'll be happy to participate if there is room. Dan Sumner d mendenhall wrote: please include me in... i have not read the entire message but i want in. Lawrence, ks is the town... a very little-big city in the US. downtown is great. let me know.... dakota --- matt davignon wrote: > (First of all, yes, this is a huge email. Sorry to > the folks who are not > interested, but it is on topic and it is all > relevant text that I had to get > in there.) > > Hey everyone, > > I have another CT-Collective compilation in the > signup stage right now. The > aim is to record field recordings of the city (or > town, or rural area) you > live in, or a similar location that you're visiting, > then to create music > from those field recordings. > > I announced this project to the CT group on > Wednesday. I was expecting to > struggle to get 10 people from different geographic > areas, and I very > quickly got 16. So this project is going to be in 2 > volumes, and I'm now > looking for 4 more people to round out Volume 2. > > Very Important: Since I'm specifically aiming to get > a wide variety of > cities in this project, I can't let two people > represent the same area. > People who do not live in North America or Europe > are especially encouraged! > Here are the areas I already have represented: > > San Francisco, California > Los Angeles, California > New York City > Atlanta, Georgia > Austin, Texas > Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Bloomington, Minnesota (Minneapolis/St. Paul area) > Lafayette, Indiana > > Mexico City > Garda Lake, Italy > Pretty much all of the United Kingdom (we already > have 3 participants) > Kuerten, Germany > Eskilstuna, Sweden > > If you can represent an area other than the ones > listed, and you'd like to > take part in this (for more details, see the rules > posted below), please > email me directly. I imagine there could be a lot of > demand for this, so > it's best to email me soon, and I apologize in > advance for the people I > won't be able to fit, but I can only take 4. > > These next two paragraphs are general facts about > most CT Projects. > Participants will join a seperate email discussion > list, hosted by > Egroups.com. (I'm the moderator of this group, and > I'm here, so the 4 people > I take should have no trouble getting in.) Finished > tracks can be sent to me > by mail in the form of music on a CD-R or tape, or a > .wav file on CD-R. I > can also take .wav files over the internet, but they > have to be posted > somewhere. Sorry, I can't take MiniDisc, DAT, or > ZIP/Jazz discs. > > We all chip in for the costs of the discs and > artwork that we'll all > recieve. That will most likely be around $8-$10 per > participant, and you'll > recieve both volumes. Why is it so cheap? Well, > first they'll be on CD-R, > probably with very nice black and white artwork. > Secondly, you don't have > to chip in for extra copies unless you want some. > When we're done, I will be > offering these for sale online for $5 per disc. > That's pretty much what > they'll cost me to make and mail. Since they're > CD-R's I can make them as I > sell them. I've historically been the distributor of > the CT-Projects, but > I'm not greedy. If another participant wants to make > and sell them the same > way I do, we'll figure out a way to make that work. > In short, these > compilations are not for profit. They're a chance to > collaborate with new > people, and to try something most of us probably > haven't done before. (I > certainly haven't done music from field recordings > before, anyway.) > > Okay, here are the rules for this project in > particular: > > CT-Location project rules. > > Ok. Here's the idea: I want to get (a total of) 20 > musicians from around the > world to represent their various cities or > geographic locations where they > live. These people will go out and record sounds > from the areas they > encounter in their day-to-day life. Then they'll > construct "music" from > these sounds they recorded. The result will be to > get a survey of 1) the day > to day life of different areas around the world, and > 2) the intuitions, > interests, and techniques of the musicians recording > and "remixing" the > sounds. > > Here are the project rules: > > 1) 10 musicians with a time limit of 7 minutes each > for each disc. Musicians > are allowed to divide their time into 2 or more > pieces of music to represent > different aspects of their "cities". > 2) By "Cities", I'm not limiting this project to > urban areas. If you live > out in the countryside or in a suburb, that's > perfectly fine. "City" is > about the amount of land area I'm looking for. > 3) Since I'm trying to get a nice variety of > geographical locations > represented, I'm not going to allow 2 people to > represent the same city. > 4) However, if two people who live in the same city > want to join, they can > both contribute if one of them is traveling to a > different location, and > wants to represent that other location. For example, > if two New Yorkers want > to join, but one was going to base his music on > sounds from his vacation > spot in Wyoming instead of New York City, that would > be perfectly fine. > 5) You must be able to send at least one photograph > of the area you're > representing, and it has to be a photograph taken by > you or a friend of > yours (not taken from a National Geographic, for > example). I'd like to use > these photos somehow in the artwork or the front > cover. How photos can be > submitted will be up to whoever's doing the artwork. > Hopefully, these > photographs will represent the day to day life in > these areas (not pictures > of the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower), but > I'm not going to set a > rule about that last part. > 6) You can't play your instruments on this one. You > can't re-record any of > your old songs from a stereo, or instruct other > people to perform on command > either. You can record street musicians, music > playing from passing cars or > stores, people humming and singing amongst > themselves, yourself interacting > with your environment (walking, using ATM machines, > etc.), animals, all > sorts of stuff! Most of the performance aspects of > this are going to be when > you re-organize your source recordings to make your > final pieces of music. > 7) Of course, your final submissions must be made > entirely of your field > recordings. You can process, loop and rearrange them > however you want. If > the track you send me has nothing to do with, or > clearly breaks these rules, > it's simply not going to be on the compilation. (For > example, if the track > you submit is of you playing guitar, or is your > latest synth-techno hit.) > 8) Final submission date: Postmarked by June 1st for > Volume 2. (I might back > this up within the next week.) > > Here are some examples of this kind of music that I > know about: > > Alejandra and Underwood: "Notebook on Cities and > Clothes" - These guys did > a tour last year where each performance is created > entirely from > laptop-manipulated sounds of another city. This is a > disc of these live > shows. Most of the music is created by making simple > loops or playing > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I'm in New Orleans.  I'll be happy to participate if there is room.

Dan Sumner

  d mendenhall <scarlettcross@yahoo.com> wrote:

please include me in... i have not read the entire
message but i want in. Lawrence, ks is the town... a
very little-big city in the US. downtown is great. let
me know....

dakota

--- matt davignon wrote:
> (First of all, yes, this is a huge email. Sorry to
> the folks who are not
> interested, but it is on topic and it is all
> relevant text that I had to get
> in there.)
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have another CT-Collective compilation in the
> signup stage right now. The
> aim is to record field recordings of the city (or
> town, or rural area) you
> live in, or a similar location that you're visiting,
> then to create music
> from those field recordings.
>
> I announced this project to the CT group on
> Wednesday. I was expecting to
> struggle to get 10 people from different geographic
> areas, and I very
> quickly got 16. So this project is going to be in 2
> volumes, and I'm now
> looking for 4 more people to round out Volume 2.
>
> Very Important: Since I'm specifically aiming to get
> a wide variety of
> cities in this project, I can't let two people
> represent the same area.
> People who do not live in North America or Europe
> are especially encouraged!
> Here are the areas I already have represented:
>
> San Francisco, California
> Los Angeles, California
> New York City
> Atlanta, Georgia
> Austin, Texas
> Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
> Bloomington, Minnesota (Minneapolis/St. Paul area)
> Lafayette, Indiana
>
> Mexico City
> Garda Lake, Italy
> Pretty much all of the United Kingdom (we already
> have 3 participants)
> Kuerten, Germany
> Eskilstuna, Sweden
>
> If you can represent an area other than the ones
> listed, and you'd like to
> take part in this (for more details, see the rules
> posted below), please
> email me directly. I imagine there could be a lot of
> demand for this, so
> it's best to email me soon, and I apologize in
> advance for the people I
> won't be able to fit, but I can only take 4.
>
> These next two paragraphs are general facts about
> most CT Projects.
> Participants will join a seperate email discussion
> list, hosted by
> Egroups.com. (I'm the moderator of this group, and
> I'm here, so the 4 people
> I take should have no trouble getting in.) Finished
> tracks can be sent to me
> by mail in the form of music on a CD-R or tape, or a
> .wav file on CD-R. I
> can also take .wav files over the internet, but they
> have to be posted
> somewhere. Sorry, I can't take MiniDisc, DAT, or
> ZIP/Jazz discs.
>
> We all chip in for the costs of the discs and
> artwork that we'll all
> recieve. That will most likely be around $8-$10 per
> participant, and you'll
> recieve both volumes. Why is it so cheap? Well,
> first they'll be on CD-R,
> probably with very nice black and white artwork.
> Secondly, you don't have
> to chip in for extra copies unless you want some.
> When we're done, I will be
> offering these for sale online for $5 per disc.
> That's pretty much what
> they'll cost me to make and mail. Since they're
> CD-R's I can make them as I
> sell them. I've historically been the distributor of
> the CT-Projects, but
> I'm not greedy. If another participant wants to make
> and sell them the same
> way I do, we'll figure out a way to make that work.
> In short, these
> compilations are not for profit. They're a chance to
> collaborate with new
> people, and to try something most of us probably
> haven't done before. (I
> certainly haven't done music from field recordings
> before, anyway.)
>
> Okay, here are the rules for this project in
> particular:
>
> CT-Location project rules.
>
> Ok. Here's the idea: I want to get (a total of) 20
> musicians from around the
> world to represent their various cities or
> geographic locations where they
> live. These people will go out and record sounds
> from the areas they
> encounter in their day-to-day life. Then they'll
> construct "music" from
> these sounds they recorded. The result will be to
> get a survey of 1) the day
> to day life of different areas around the world, and
> 2) the intuitions,
> interests, and techniques of the musicians recording
> and "remixing" the
> sounds.
>
> Here are the project rules:
>
> 1) 10 musicians with a time limit of 7 minutes each
> for each disc. Musicians
> are allowed to divide their time into 2 or more
> pieces of music to represent
> different aspects of their "cities".
> 2) By "Cities", I'm not limiting this project to
> urban areas. If you live
> out in the countryside or in a suburb, that's
> perfectly fine. "City" is
> about the amount of land area I'm looking for.
> 3) Since I'm trying to get a nice variety of
> geographical locations
> represented, I'm not going to allow 2 people to
> represent the same city.
> 4) However, if two people who live in the same city
> want to join, they can
> both contribute if one of them is traveling to a
> different location, and
> wants to represent that other location. For example,
> if two New Yorkers want
> to join, but one was going to base his music on
> sounds from his vacation
> spot in Wyoming instead of New York City, that would
> be perfectly fine.
> 5) You must be able to send at least one photograph
> of the area you're
> representing, and it has to be a photograph taken by
> you or a friend of
> yours (not taken from a National Geographic, for
> example). I'd like to use
> these photos somehow in the artwork or the front
> cover. How photos can be
> submitted will be up to whoever's doing the artwork.
> Hopefully, these
> photographs will represent the day to day life in
> these areas (not pictures
> of the Statue of Liberty or the Eiffel Tower), but
> I'm not going to set a
> rule about that last part.
> 6) You can't play your instruments on this one. You
> can't re-record any of
> your old songs from a stereo, or instruct other
> people to perform on command
> either. You can record street musicians, music
> playing from passing cars or
> stores, people humming and singing amongst
> themselves, yourself interacting
> with your environment (walking, using ATM machines,
> etc.), animals, all
> sorts of stuff! Most of the performance aspects of
> this are going to be when
> you re-organize your source recordings to make your
> final pieces of music.
> 7) Of course, your final submissions must be made
> entirely of your field
> recordings. You can process, loop and rearrange them
> however you want. If
> the track you send me has nothing to do with, or
> clearly breaks these rules,
> it's simply not going to be on the compilation. (For
> example, if the track
> you submit is of you playing guitar, or is your
> latest synth-techno hit.)
> 8) Final submission date: Postmarked by June 1st for
> Volume 2. (I might back
> this up within the next week.)
>
> Here are some examples of this kind of music that I
> know about:
>
> Alejandra and Underwood: "Notebook on Cities and
> Clothes" - These guys did
> a tour last year where each performance is created
> entirely from
> laptop-manipulated sounds of another city. This is a
> disc of these live
> shows. Most of the music is created by making simple
> loops or playing
>
=== message truncated ===


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Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! --0-1843993368-978834097=:7631-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 21:42:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09635; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A57534A.2C4A246F@compuserve.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:36:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD mailing list question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:18 AM -0800 1/6/01, tapehiss wrote: > >My question to you is how have you been able to get it to pay for >itself? pay for itself?? hahahaha, that's funny. for a while I thought the various manufacturers who generate significant amounts of sales because of Looper's Delight might be interested in advertising here, but that was foolish. Clearly some of them would rather spend $thousands on full page ads in magazines that have smaller subscriber bases than LD while taking advantage of the LD list/website community for free publicity. I get some money from the other sites that pay for space on my server, a little bit from the guys who made the Looper's Delight CD's and share some of the profits with me, an occasional puny check from advertisements on the site, and once in a while a generous user will donate a bit of cash. None of that comes close to covering my costs to run Looper's Delight, so primarily LD is paid for out of my pocket. I expect that will eventually change someday, but it isn't happening very quickly. Admittedly I haven't put much effort into achieving that lately, as other things have taken over my time.... If anybody out there is currently feeling shamed into coughing up some cash, I'd be happy to sell some ad space for whatever it is you do. your ad will get plastered in front of gearhead musicians hundreds of thousands of times per month. your conscience will be clear. Also, as I mentioned before I'm looking for one other mid-sized site to join us on our server. Let me know if either is interesting to you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 21:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09890; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301c0784a$6d59f960$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:46:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM show Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:37 PM -0800 1/6/01, Bob Campbell wrote: >Um... times may have changed, but last time I went to NAMM was 1983. I was >doing music software at the time and my only credential was a business card >that said something about 'multimedia'. No hassles. Wonder if that still >works? Only companies that are members of NAMM can get badges. If the company is not exhibiting, they can only get four badges for free. Any additional badges cost those companies $150. That policy started last year to cut down on the number of non-industry gawkers hanging around. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 23:03:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11642; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:01:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:01:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.26.80.153] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:00:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2001 04:00:14.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[56F63990:01C0785E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I post and read to the list from my hotmail account. I use my "real" email account only for private correspondence - no reading/posting to email lists from that account. I don't care if spam goes to my Hotmail account - that's Hotmail's problem, not mine. Though Hotmail now has this Inbox Protector feature that will automatically divert all email not directly addressed to you (a lot of spam is addressed to an "undisclosed" list instead of to an individual address). Paolo ### original text follows ### From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200101070145.UAA20496@portal.studiodust.com> I don't understand something... if you set up a hotmail account for the purposes of posting to a mailing list, howe are you going to read you eamil other than by using that same account? If that account gets spammed, then your gonna get the spam anyway when you go to read the mailing list articles. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 23:18:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11917; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:16:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A57EB9B.283852A6@ripco.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:08:24 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Yoffe Subject: Radio Broadcast: Sunday January, 7 Eric Leonardson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3B72E512E5711AAF5670ED15" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------3B72E512E5711AAF5670ED15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Radio Broadcast: Sunday, January 7 on "Something Else" WLUW 88.7 FM Chicago, 10:00 pm until 2:00 am An evening of radiophonic plays, soundscapes, field recordings, and odd listening experiences. Listen via broadcast or streaming MP3 via WLUW's webcast link. Combining new and old... Eric Leonardson presents previously unheard acousmatic compositions, works for loudspeakers in non-public spaces, future projects, happy accidents, invented instruments, and some of his many improvised music collaborations... -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ upcoming dates: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html --------------3B72E512E5711AAF5670ED15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
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  --------------3B72E512E5711AAF5670ED15-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 23:22:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12009; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:18:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:18:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c07861$55a966e0$6df638cb@p1q6p6> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: Re: Spam discussion Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:21:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have thought of that and use 1 email with my name for personal contact with individual people and another modified version for lists But I also use hotmail for egroup lists as well and I find if you post at sites like Ampage with a Hotmail address you are seen as lacking credibility especially if its a hot topic and experienced long time users dislike people who use fake / bullshit names and hotmail/ yahoo email adresses I dont like people calling themselves Leo Fender or Jimmy Page either. I can understand their point of view when idiots make a nuisance of themselves. Thanks for your comments. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Paolo Valladolid To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Spam discussion > I post and read to the list from my hotmail account. I use my "real" email > account only for private correspondence - no reading/posting to email lists > from that account. > > I don't care if spam goes to my Hotmail account - that's Hotmail's problem, > not mine. Though Hotmail now has this Inbox Protector feature that will > automatically divert all email not directly addressed to you (a lot of spam > is addressed to an "undisclosed" list instead of to an individual address). > > Paolo > > ### original text follows ### > > > From: Floyd Miller > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Spam discussion > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:45:23 -0500 > Message-Id: <200101070145.UAA20496@portal.studiodust.com> > > I don't understand something... if you set up a hotmail account for the > purposes > of > posting to a mailing list, howe are you going to read you eamil other than > by > using > that same account? > > If that account gets spammed, then your gonna get the spam anyway when you > go to read the mailing list articles. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 23:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12515; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:52:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:52:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200101032257_MC2-C094-E65E@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:50:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplexes are shipping again! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:57 PM -0800 1/3/01, Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: >Hi Kim, > >you might have answered this question elsewhere, but: > >Is there a store in my neck of the woods (NYC) to buy one? And if not, >where is a good place to mail-order one? > >Best wishes for the New Year, Alessandro sorry, I don't keep track of which stores have them and which don't. I'm sure Gibson customer support would be happy to tell you that. Gibson contact info is on the echoplex section of the Looper's Delight site. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 6 23:55:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12593; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:54:01 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200101070454.XAA20812@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo wrote: > > Though Hotmail now has this Inbox Protector feature that will > automatically divert all email not directly addressed to you (a lot of spam > is addressed to an "undisclosed" list instead of to an individual address). Such as this list; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 00:27:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13436; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:24:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43.ef00d15.278855f7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:23:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:05 AM -0800 1/6/01, Omadawn@aol.com wrote: >Now that I am recently looper-less, I took the leap and just received >shipment on an Oberheim Digital Echoplex three days ago- I bought it on >Digibid for $380 with a beige color coordinated footpedal with 7 red buttons, >4 megs memory and the latest software update. So far it seems to work o.k., >but the low price has me a bit nervous still. you got an amazing deal. >Then I read Kim's post of Gibson shipping improved units to the states soon. >How do these new units compare to the older machines? Has anyone tried one >yet? As Bret noted, they are pretty much the same. However, there are a few minor new hardware improvements that Bret doesn't know about. One change added a limiter circuit to the input audio path to the loop, so it is not possible to clip the loop input anymore like on the older units. (one person even claimed they prefered the way it sounded when the limiter was engaging, but YMMV on that....) Another change fixed what is usually called "Andre's Noise" in honor of the fact that Andre first noticed it. That was a slight grainy sound you could sometimes hear if you listened very closely when a loop was in mute. (the feedback LED control signal crosstalked into the audio...) That was fixed with a couple of caps. Another fix was for the brothersync circuit, making it work a lot better when multiple units are connected together but not all of them are turned on. It used to be that turning a unit off in the Brother chain would screw up the others, but some circuitry was added to prevent that. (so long as one of the new units is the one that gets turned off....) None of these really make much difference for regular use of the Echoplex. Just a few leftover hardware issues that we finally had a chance to fix. The actual operation of it is the same whether it is an old one or a new one. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 00:50:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13902; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.26.80.153] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:46:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2001 05:46:45.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[38607DB0:01C0786D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm subscribed in digest mode. When the digest arrives, it is addressed directly to my email address. Paolo From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spam discussion Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200101070454.XAA20812@portal.studiodust.com> Paolo wrote: > >Though Hotmail now has this Inbox Protector feature that will >automatically divert all email not directly addressed to you (a lot of spam >is addressed to an "undisclosed" list instead of to an individual address). Such as this list; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 01:10:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14609; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:07:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:07:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010107060604.23477.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Kim, you're awfully chatty today...... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can we assume it's because you have that upgrade all wrapped up? You simply must remember that the peasants in the looping village become agitated when you & Igor vacate the lab sans cries of "IT'S ALIVE!!!". :) Seriously, your post on creating & maintaining a web site made me realize (again) how much you must love this stuff. Thank you, sir. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 02:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15950; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:27:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:27:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:26:59 -0600 (CST) From: Travis Salisbury To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Kim Flint wrote: > Another change fixed what is usually called "Andre's Noise" in honor of the > fact that Andre first noticed it. That was a slight grainy sound you could > sometimes hear if you listened very closely when a loop was in mute. (the > feedback LED control signal crosstalked into the audio...) That was fixed > with a couple of caps. Is this noise fairly common and/or exaggerated on some older units? My EDP (I bought it in '95) has a digital sounding "grainy" noise present in the recorded loop and when the loop is in mute. I have worked around the issue with creative I/O adjustments, but I don't get the level of output that I would like. Is there a schematic available for the fix or is there somebody who I can trust to do the fix? Thanks for the help! _______________________ travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 02:40:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16157; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:39:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:39:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One change added a limiter circuit to the input audio path to the loop, so > it is not possible to clip the loop input anymore like on the older units. > (one person even claimed they prefered the way it sounded when the limiter > was engaging, but YMMV on that....) Wow, is this something that can be fixed on older units? Sounds like something I may need. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 03:28:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17051; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101070822.AAA04730@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:21:45 -0700 Subject: Re: NAMM show To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so what did(do) you do w/ your 'frippinabox'?...stanner(anotherfrippinaboxguy) ---------- >From: "Bob Campbell" >To: >Subject: Re: NAMM show >Date: Sat, Jan 6, 2001, 6:37 PM > >I was glad I went though, at he Electro-Harmonix card table (haha) I met >Mike Matthews and bought an EH-16 'Fripp-in-a box' from him. Never used >those Teac 4-tracks for looping again! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 03:50:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17395; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:46:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:45:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Newly enrolled looper bids greetings to all; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:37 PM -0800 1/6/01, future perfect wrote: >> One change added a limiter circuit to the input audio path to the loop, so >> it is not possible to clip the loop input anymore like on the older units. >> (one person even claimed they prefered the way it sounded when the limiter >> was engaging, but YMMV on that....) > >Wow, is this something that can be fixed on older units? Sounds like >something I may need. > sure, don't turn the input up to the point where it clips. seriously, the limiter is there to save people from themselves. If the level is up so much that either the limiter is on with the new ones or it clips with the old ones, you have it turned up too high. Don't do that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 06:53:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21353; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:51:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b101c0789f$dd652360$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: "EarthLight Newsletter" Subject: "Kyoto Garden" by Stephen Goodman released on MP3 and IUMA Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:48:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year to all! "Kyoto Garden" is Stephen's new release in MP3 format, and is now available for downloading/listening on both the MP3.com (http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman)and IUMA (http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com) sites. It is a restful ambient piece, in the pace of a relaxing walk, and inspired by The Kyoto Garden in Holland Park, Kensington London. Keep watching the EarthLight Studios site at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios for the video to accompany this work, which we are planning on releasing 20 January 2001, online and in broadcast form! Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions-Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 07:30:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22032; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:29:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:29:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f501c078a5$572d56e0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: "Kyoto Garden" Released on MP3 and IUMA Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:28:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Kyoto Garden" is Stephen's new release in MP3 format, and is now available for downloading/listening on both the MP3.com (http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman)and IUMA (http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com) sites. It is a restful ambient piece, in the pace of a relaxing walk, and inspired by The Kyoto Garden in Holland Park, Kensington London. Keep watching the EarthLight Studios site at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios for the video to accompany this work, which we are planning on releasing 20 January 2001, online and in broadcast form! Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions-Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 11:28:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25254; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:25:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:25:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c078c7$15c17980$f4b46fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: feedback insert Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 07:47:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I do it with Kyma but it's easily done if you, (as I believe others do) send your looping device's feedback path through a mixer of some sort. You could either use the eq controls or patch in some sort of filter pedal/whatever. I guarantee many hours of creative noodling. Gareth > << An interesting effect > is to place a high pass filter in the feedback path so the sound kind of > fizzles out - good for spacey stuff : ) >> > > > --->Wow - I've always wanted to be able to do this. Are you doing this on an > EDP or what? > None of my loopers/delays allow for an insert to the feedback path. I've been > toying with the idea of dropping bux for a Mooger analog delay that has this > provision, but I think it only does 800ms or so. > > > -eric p > echo park > Back on the LD after almost a year! Well, digest, anyway. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 12:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26421; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c078cd$74c266a0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <200101070822.AAA04730@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' (was NAMM show) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:15:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so what did(do) you do w/ your > 'frippinabox'?...stanner(anotherfrippinaboxguy) Back then I was listening to the ambient looping work Fripp did with Eno in the early 70's and later his stuff in the late 70's on his solo coffeehouse tour period ("God save the Queen", "Let the Power Fall" albums stuff). Also around that time a guy named Paul Drescher had built a simliar rig and was doing similar looping stuff in San Francisco which was a bit more rhythmic and adventurous than Fripp's restrained/cool approach. That led me to (try to) affect a similar sustained, layered guitar sound which fit in nicely in an art band I was in. We continued to use two consumer Teac r/r decks for physical tape looping for the band mix, but what a mess that always was! (especially live) It was great to have the tight control of my guitar loops with the little stomp box looper. I also used a little toy synth called the Casio VL-Tone to loop with to great advantage. It was handheld with 'chiclet' keys and had a 100 note sequencer and a programable ADSR envelope. It had a tuning adjustment on the back you could jam a screwdriver in and get +- 50 cent detune and if you did that while looping a sustained 'violin' tone you got this crazy weird layered microtonal pitchshift sound. I also got a lot of mileage out of the ability of the ElectroHarmonix unit to modulate the pitch of the output for wild 'electronic' effects. Folks here say the Line6 DL-4 is good for that these days, I hope to get one and explore that kind of wacky weirdness some more. How 'bout you? -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 14:05:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28984; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:02:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101071901.LAA12591@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:00:39 -0500 Subject: elecrix looper From: "David J Dowling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have the dirt on the Electrix Repeater Loop/Phrase Sampler? I just saw this in Musician's. friend. The description says it has an 8 minute, 40MB loop limit, holding 99 loops with four tracks per loop. Also includes time-stretching and pitch-shifting. Also seems to have undo, multiply and reverse. I'm wondering if it's a good live tool...like the EDP. They seem to be pushing it as such. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 14:10:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29156; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A593A84.5A6C77E5@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 19:56:52 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: elecrix looper References: <200101071901.LAA12591@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6VaXvB.A.ZHH.J5LW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David J Dowling wrote: > > Does anyone have the dirt on the Electrix Repeater Loop/Phrase Sampler? I > just saw this in Musician's. friend. The description says it has an 8 > minute, 40MB loop limit, holding 99 loops with four tracks per loop. Also > includes time-stretching and pitch-shifting. Also seems to have undo, > multiply and reverse. > I'm wondering if it's a good live tool...like the EDP. They seem to be > pushing it as such. David nobody knows its not out for more check tha archives http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 15:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30977; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c078ea$d34d9010$dcaf1618@C961485B> From: "maugli" To: References: <8e.f28a82e.277ffa9c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:45:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "maugli" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page Ted, Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, I was out of town for a week... > Nope. I'd love an Eventide device but they are much beyond my budget. > I've got quite a lot of stuff but it's been aquired over a long period of > time (not all at once). Buying even a low-end Eventide would problay be > a quick way of winding up in divorce court. yeah, I know how that goes, but in my present situation, I don't really have that standing in my way... I am still killing myself over getting (or not) Eventide DSP7000 - a used one, that is. I considered *many* different setup scenarios, but always hit the wall, before I reach my vision of the sound i have in my head. BTW, your Reverse Logic is a real joy to listen to... :-) > My signal chain starts with a Duncan equipped Gibson RD Artist guitar > with a Roland GK-2A hex-pickup connecting me to my trusty old Roland > GR-1 guitar synth. From there it goes to an ART SGE-2000 Express, > Big Briar Moogerfooger, a pair of Boss RPS-10 pitch shifter delays, > 2 Lexicon Vortexes, an Alesis Microverb III, Emu Proteus III, Rocktron > 12-channel mixer and 2 Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pros. I also use a > little Akai S-20 phrase sampler to play various stored ambient or > rhythmic samples*. Along with a Marshall 8008 power amp this more or > less fills my 12-space rack. I play in stereo through 2 pairs of Seymour > Duncan 1x12 cabs. I play fingerstyle with Ernie Ball metal finger picks > and sometimes with as many as 2 ebows. ...snip > Boy that looks like a boatload when you list it all out like that. > > Anywho, I hope that was helpful. Now it's your turn... ...snip Well, I cannot speak about the way I'm routing the *guitar* signal, because I didn't get there, yet (and I have a bad feeling that I never will... :o) ). In a way, I am envious that you have this figured out and that it works for you so well, judging from your mp3s I've listened to. So the only things I can speak of is what I've got so far in terms of the equipment: Fernandes Dragonfly Deluxe w/Sustainer, Takamine C128 classical w/nylon strings, and no-name classical w/steel strings. For synths and samples I have two PC computers. One has two Pulsar I cards and Lexicon Core32 (2x PCM90 reverbs on board) w/LDI-12T interface, the other one is a dedicated Gigastudio and a second Lexicon Core32 w/LDI-12T interface. The third computer is used for controlling the other two via MIDI, and for recording in Cakewalk Pro Audio 9. The rack-mounted gear is Digitech 2120 w/C1, Behringer Ultramizer Pro, Ultralink Pro, Denoiser, and UltraCurve 8024. Peavey MidiMaster for MIDI routing. In the rack is also Rockman Sustainor, Rockman MIDI Octopus for switching stuff on and off from Cakewalk sequencer and/or ART X-15, and for an external compression I have JoeMeek C2. A keyboard controller for the Pulsar synths is Studiologic SL-161, and for monitoring I use a pair of Event 20/20bas. To keep the noise from computers away, while recording acoustic guitar with a pair of Oktava MC 012, I have all three computers downstairs, mix the signal from synths and recorded tracks in Cakewalk box through Behringer MX1604A mixer, and run upstairs with a pair of balanced cables to Mackie 1402VLZ, into which I also run the signal from the rack-mounted gear. The outs from the Mackie go back downstairs into the Cakewalk box, for the final mutilation. :-) Whew, all this and I'm still not happy... hehe Perhaps the Big Bang will happen when the pain of not having Eventide DSP7000 grows to be greater than the financial pain of having one, and it's getting pretty darn close. BTW, if you know someone who would like to unload that beast, please let me know. Best regards, Jara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 16:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31747; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:03:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010107210257.16473.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: looping in films To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could someone repost the original message re: looping in film soundtracks? I accidentaly deleted it. Thank you. BTW, i saw Traffic last night, excellent movie with a great soundtrack - sounds like the last song is Eno. Worth checking out. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 16:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32251; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010107163624.007a22c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:36:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looping in films In-Reply-To: <20010107210257.16473.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can always use the list archive if you've deleted something. Check out Mr. Torn mentions his work on Blair Witch II; it's a little-known fact, but I played all the loops on the FIRST Blair Witch movie using an acoustic theremin. (Anyone who hasn't seen the film won't get the joke; there's no soundtrack!) Tim At 01:02 PM 1/7/01 -0800, Aaron wrote: >Could someone repost the original message re: looping >in film soundtracks? I accidentaly deleted it. Thank >you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 19:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03937; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:22:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:22:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101080021.QAA19088@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:22:44 -0700 Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well my eh 16sec delay is on the blink-literally the on/off lights just keep blinkin and its not really workin-any suggestions for service in the sf bay area? and as far as the DL-4 wouldnt you miss the slider/faders available on the eh? to me that is a real ergonomic plus for what this particular box does. bob sellon used to tell me when he was modding the lexicon pcm 42s for looping that some of the guys wanted him to include faders on the unit to keep it similar in feel to the electroharmonix unit...stanner ---------- >From: "Bob Campbell" >To: >Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' (was NAMM show) >Date: Sun, Jan 7, 2001, 10:15 AM > >I also got a lot of mileage out of the ability of the ElectroHarmonix unit >to modulate the pitch of the output for wild 'electronic' effects. Folks >here say the Line6 DL-4 is good for that these days, I hope to get one and >explore that kind of wacky weirdness some more. How 'bout you? > >-Bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 20:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05071; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:00:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c0790d$f9c755a0$ac0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200101080021.QAA19088@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: New to the Los Angeles Area Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:57:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow Electronic Musicians-- For several reasons, I have relocated to Van Nuys and am interested in networking with my peers (also for various reasons). I like this area (near the 405 and 101--Sepulveda and Magnolia) whole bunches but am not convinced that I can make a living here playing music (DUH!). If anyone is interested in comparing notes , drop me a line privately. Also, if anyone is gigging locally, same thing; I WILL come and see you. I hooked my electronics up to annoy the neighbors and everything still works splendidly (probably coincidence) and Harvey Starr promises me that my doubleneck Ztar will be ready really soon, probably next week, so I am hoping for the best. I mention the Ztar because, of course, I control my Echoplex (on thread!) with it. So here's to new beginnings in the new millennium! Gary PS This is really a great place for live music of all sorts! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 20:25:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05412; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 19:20:26 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Dallas loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001901c07911$2ef0c5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200101080021.QAA19088@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002501c0790d$f9c755a0$ac0c78d8@com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com several people have sent me emails about getting together in the dallas area. i had an email screwup and lost all their mails. sorry guys. (computers are your friends...) so anyone who contacted me, or is interested in doing a jam or wants to get a dallas chapter of loopers anonymous going, or whatever, feel free to contact me at via email. (austin, houston, etc. also welcome - a regional network could be really cool) is anyone else already doing something like this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 20:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05600; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:33:04 EST Subject: Re: looping in films To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as, >BTW, i saw Traffic last night, excellent movie with a >great soundtrack - sounds like the last song is Eno. i haven't seen the release-cut of 'traffic', yet, but: i'm pretty assured that the end-credit music is mostly my 'once-was-a-guitar'-sounds....., & *not* dr. eno. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 22:40:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08840; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 03:37:04 +0000 Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101080021.QAA19088@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't miss the faders since you can control some things on the DL4 with a pedal (the delay pre-loop only) plus you have switches for reverse and 1/2 spped, but what I do miss is the fact that when using the looper it's not a delay so there is no feedback to play with. Also doesn't have that melancholy sound of the EH16, great unit for the $ though. Martin Shellard > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net > as far as the DL-4 wouldnt you miss the slider/faders available on > the eh? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 7 23:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10411; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:43:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:43:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010108044248.54948.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:42:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Kim tells newbie what he witheld from oldbies To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2yWo5D.A.ZiC.GVUW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote:> > As Bret noted, they are pretty much the same. However, there are a > few minor new hardware improvements that Bret doesn't know about. Kim, how dare you keep secrets from me. Where did I go wrong with you? > One change added a limiter circuit to the input audio path to the > loop, so it is not possible to clip the loop input anymore like on the older > units. Older units? that's what the kids call me and my wife. I guess that makes my oberheims vintage. Can't get that grating digital distortion on them new fangled Gibson echoplexes, no siree bob, buy my vintage Obies. > Another change fixed what is usually called "Andre's Noise" in honor > of the > fact that Andre first noticed it. That was a slight grainy sound you > could > sometimes hear if you listened very closely when a loop was in mute. > (the > feedback LED control signal crosstalked into the audio...) That was > fixed > with a couple of caps. What caps, where? Don't tease us! So Andre's Noise is the sound of Mute? Can we all make Andre's noise? > Another fix was for the brothersync circuit, making it work a lot > better > when multiple units are connected together but not all of them are > turned > on. It used to be that turning a unit off in the Brother chain would > screw > up the others, but some circuitry was added to prevent that. (so long > as > one of the new units is the one that gets turned off....) Details, we need details, my brother chain is failing! > > None of these really make much difference for regular use of the > Echoplex. We prefer iregulare use, so we need to know. > Just a few leftover hardware issues that we finally had a chance to > fix. Better leftovers than nothing to eat. > The actual operation of it is the same whether it is an old one or a > new one. > kim There you go with that age thing again, Now I'm offended. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 00:08:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11238; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:03:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:03:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Can I get a witness? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2j32EC.A.WvC.SoUW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If looping is truly a religion, then you know what to do, Reverend Kim. Ask the congregation to support the ministry! Aren't we all sending 10% of our earnings to spread the good news? If you're not, how can your conscience truly be clear? Matthias, lead us in a hymn as the elders pass around the donation plate. My loop was lost, but now is found, again, and again, amen. From Paradis, to Oberheim to Gibson, the Echoplex is resurrected. bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 9:18 AM -0800 1/6/01, tapehiss wrote: > > > >My question to you is how have you been able to get it to pay for > >itself? > > pay for itself?? hahahaha, that's funny. > > for a while I thought the various manufacturers who generate > significant > amounts of sales because of Looper's Delight might be interested in > advertising here, but that was foolish. Clearly some of them would > rather > spend $thousands on full page ads in magazines that have smaller > subscriber > bases than LD while taking advantage of the LD list/website community > for > free publicity. > > I get some money from the other sites that pay for space on my > server, a > little bit from the guys who made the Looper's Delight CD's and share > some > of the profits with me, an occasional puny check from advertisements > on the > site, and once in a while a generous user will donate a bit of cash. > None > of that comes close to covering my costs to run Looper's Delight, so > primarily LD is paid for out of my pocket. I expect that will > eventually > change someday, but it isn't happening very quickly. Admittedly I > haven't > put much effort into achieving that lately, as other things have > taken over > my time.... > > If anybody out there is currently feeling shamed into coughing up > some > cash, I'd be happy to sell some ad space for whatever it is you do. > your ad > will get plastered in front of gearhead musicians hundreds of > thousands of > times per month. your conscience will be clear. > kim > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 00:10:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11398; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:07:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:07:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.f386482.278aa4db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:06:35 EST Subject: Re: looping in films To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.f386482.278aa4db_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9b.f386482.278aa4db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/07/2001 7:34:16 PM Central Standard Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: > i haven't seen the release-cut of 'traffic', yet, but: > i'm pretty assured that the end-credit music is mostly my > 'once-was-a-guitar'-sounds....., & *not* dr. eno. > the last music, when Benicio Del Toro is at the baseball park, is 'An Ending' by BEno, from his 'Apollo' soundtrack/CD. actually, that bit was rather anti-climactic for me... i truly dug the rest of the score! bravo, dt! k --part1_9b.f386482.278aa4db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/07/2001 7:34:16 PM Central Standard Time,
Texture444@aol.com writes:


i haven't seen the release-cut of 'traffic', yet, but:
i'm pretty assured that the end-credit music is mostly my
'once-was-a-guitar'-sounds....., & *not* dr. eno.


the last music, when Benicio Del Toro is at the baseball park, is 'An Ending'
by BEno, from his 'Apollo' soundtrack/CD.  actually, that bit was rather
anti-climactic for me... i truly dug the rest of the score!  bravo, dt!

k

--part1_9b.f386482.278aa4db_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 00:32:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12053; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:28:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:28:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010108052807.5333.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Subject: Denver - Fort Collins area looping contacts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just moved to North Central Colorado and would like to find some loop related folks in Denver-Fort Collins area. petr@tryi.com ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 01:21:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13063; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:19:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:19:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <85.5367669.278ab5c0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:18:40 EST Subject: OT: Warr for trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.5367669.278ab5c0_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.5367669.278ab5c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry to post this here but for a week and a half i havent been able to post to taptalk(it keeps bouncing) and i know theres lots of tappers here who might be interested i have a brand new(hardly used) 12 string artist(walnut top on swamp ash bottom, with wenge fretboard, and 7 piece neck(with some figured maple)) looks like this(minus the flaming in the walnut): http://www.warrguitars.com/walnut12.html im thinking of going to an 8 string, im finding it real hard to think in 2 zones, and 12 strnigs is too much to turn into 1 zone email me privately if your interested at all(put 'WARR' in the subject) rodrigo kriist@aol.com --part1_85.5367669.278ab5c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry to post this here but for a week and a half i havent been able to post
to taptalk(it keeps bouncing)
and i know theres lots of tappers here who might be interested

i have a brand new(hardly used) 12 string artist(walnut top on swamp ash
bottom, with wenge fretboard, and 7 piece neck(with some figured maple))
looks like this(minus the flaming in the walnut):
http://www.warrguitars.com/walnut12.html

im thinking of going to an 8 string, im finding it real hard to think in 2
zones, and 12 strnigs is too much to turn into 1 zone

email me privately if your interested at all(put 'WARR' in the subject)

rodrigo
kriist@aol.com

--part1_85.5367669.278ab5c0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 01:35:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13372; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c0793c$c826f990$dcaf1618@C961485B> From: "maugli" To: References: <85.5367669.278ab5c0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Warr for trade Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:32:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C07902.1B357E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "maugli" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5JOG4C.A.sQD.-7VW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C07902.1B357E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable omigod... how do you play this thing??? is this some kind of two-man = instrument? How do you sync those two guys??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kriist@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: OT: Warr for trade sorry to post this here but for a week and a half i havent been able = to post=20 to taptalk(it keeps bouncing)=20 and i know theres lots of tappers here who might be interested=20 i have a brand new(hardly used) 12 string artist(walnut top on swamp = ash=20 bottom, with wenge fretboard, and 7 piece neck(with some figured = maple))=20 looks like this(minus the flaming in the walnut):=20 http://www.warrguitars.com/walnut12.html=20 im thinking of going to an 8 string, im finding it real hard to think = in 2=20 zones, and 12 strnigs is too much to turn into 1 zone=20 email me privately if your interested at all(put 'WARR' in the = subject)=20 rodrigo=20 kriist@aol.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C07902.1B357E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
omigod... how do you play this thing??? is this some = kind of=20 two-man instrument? How do you sync those two guys???
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kriist@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 = 11:18=20 PM
Subject: OT: Warr for = trade

sorry to = post this here=20 but for a week and a half i havent been able to post
to taptalk(it = keeps=20 bouncing)
and i know theres lots of tappers here who might be = interested=20

i have a brand new(hardly used) 12 string artist(walnut top on = swamp=20 ash
bottom, with wenge fretboard, and 7 piece neck(with some = figured=20 maple))
looks like this(minus the flaming in the walnut):=20
http://www.warrguitars.com/walnut12.html

im thinking of = going to=20 an 8 string, im finding it real hard to think in 2
zones, and 12 = strnigs=20 is too much to turn into 1 zone

email me privately if your = interested=20 at all(put 'WARR' in the subject)

rodrigo
kriist@aol.com=20

------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C07902.1B357E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 05:29:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16942; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:26:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:26:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a085.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.85] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <004101c079a0$b26a19c0$552cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:27:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've not got the pedal yet - can you use it to control the mix level in loop mode on the DL4? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Shellard To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' > I don't miss the faders since you can control some things on the DL4 with a > pedal (the delay pre-loop only) plus you have switches for reverse and 1/2 > spped, but what I do miss is the fact that when using the looper it's not a > delay so there is no feedback to play with. > Also doesn't have that melancholy sound of the EH16, great unit for the $ > though. > > Martin Shellard > > > > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net > > > as far as the DL-4 wouldnt you miss the slider/faders available on > > the eh? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 05:46:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17276; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: looping tips and tricks 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:26:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to get really swirly, put a phaser in the feedback loop. Bring delay returns up to their own channel(s) on the desk and use the aux sends to control feedback, then its use the desk's eq to provide filtering as you describe. Hours of endless fun playing the desk, don't even need a signal source... -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: 05 January 2001 07:51 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 Another suggestion. The way I work is I 'trap' a sound for as long as I want it to run by having the feedback path set at unity. This is under the control of a footpedal. When I want to let the loop die away I ease back on the pedal according to how slowly I want the loop to die away, (I use this method to quieten the loop if necessary too). What I've found is that introducing a gentle low pass filter into this loop makes the dying loop sound more natural and de-focusses it in terms of the listener's attention. An interesting effect is to place a high pass filter in the feedback path so the sound kind of fizzles out - good for spacey stuff : ) Gareth > suggestion > > put a 1/4 sec fade on the start of your sample and a 1/4 fade out at the > end - no more > nasty clicks when u loop! > > concept7@earthspike.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dan mcmullen > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:09 PM > Subject: looping tips and tricks 2001 > > > > anyone care to share their latest looping technique discoveries? i'm > > imagining quick little tips or tricks that make your looping easier or > more > > fun. even "obvious" things that may have been mentioned before would be > > good. to get things rolling: > > > > - when overdubbing, i recently put a volume pedal of some sort in front of > > the looper to avoid the sharp little blips in background noise from > turning > > overdubbing on & off by fading in before & after the overdub. this is > > particularly useful when looping acoustic instruments using a microphone > > while hearing the current loop on monitors. (this probably falls into the > > obvious category, but when i finally set this up, it made overdubbing much > > more "relaxed".) [general interest] > > > > - i'm using the Peavy PC1600 fader box to control feedback on an EDP using > > MIDI. by making one fader the "master" of the feedback footpedal, i can > > set the minimum feedback level that the footpedal can generate by lowering > > the master fader. this lets me use the entire range of the footpedal's > > travel to smoothly make a transition from full feedback to the exact > amount > > i'm aiming for. much easier than trying to judge what fraction of the > > footpedal's travel will get me the right amount of feedback. [edp/peavy > > pc1600] > > > > i may think of more later, but for now, ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-... > > dan > > ___ > > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > > > > > This message is for the use of the named person only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. Abcaz Limited reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. Please note that it is your responsibility to scan any attachments for viruses. This communication is from Abcaz Limited, whose office is at 1000 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex, TW8 9HJ, England: telephone +44 (0)208 326 7000. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 07:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19320; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:05:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:05:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:54:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Can I get a witness? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If looping is truly a religion, then you know what to do, Reverend Kim. > Ask the congregation to support the ministry! > >Aren't we all sending 10% of our earnings to spread the good news? If >you're not, how can your conscience truly be clear? > >Matthias, lead us in a hymn as the elders pass around the donation >plate. > >My loop was lost, but now is found, again, and again, amen. From >Paradis, to Oberheim to Gibson, the Echoplex is resurrected. >bret I just put AMEN into my looper' so that we can have this prayer going all day. Hmmmmmm maybe I should pitch shift it around and fool the gods into hearing the mighty congregation. Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 08:37:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20943; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:35:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:35:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5A3E05.C9678E4D@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:24:05 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is for stereo EDP setups with midi connection in between this is a "setup" routine therefore I guess we cannot play during the button pushes :=) 1 finger push all the rest can be done by footcontroler different cycle nb between L-R record the original cycle (Short <1 sec) press multiply on the slave machine (youre setting up the slaves multiples NB) count 6 press multiply on footswitch or master plex (ends multiply on slave and startmultiply the master; you are now setting the master multiples NB) count 8 press multiply on footswitch (endsMultiply on master) press undo wich will undo the multiply that was just started on the slave by the last multiply press) you now have a 6 to 8 cycle relationship between L and R this works the same Quantized or not in all sync modes Claude PS: this is only a starting point as there are a lot of similar "desync" moves that can be found if you play and think with it Overdub,record,reverse, ..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 09:23:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21815; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <46.efb0d90.278b25f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:17:21 EST Subject: Re: looping in films To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com k, >the last music, when Benicio Del Toro is at the baseball park, is 'An Ending' >by BEno, from his 'Apollo' soundtrack/CD. actually, that bit was rather >anti-climactic for me... i truly dug the rest of the score! bravo, dt! yeah, i knew that eno-thang had been temped-in, but thought it had been replaced..... thanks fer the info. best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 11:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24307; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Dallas loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:09:34 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/08/2001 10:09:34 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Absolutely. I'm in Dallas and just began assembling my looping rig and am a relative newcomer to the art and science of looping, but I've really enjoyed what I've been doing so far and am always willing to learn. I'll drop you a line. L jim palmer cc: Subject: Dallas loopers? 01/07/01 07:20 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht several people have sent me emails about getting together in the dallas area. i had an email screwup and lost all their mails. sorry guys. (computers are your friends...) so anyone who contacted me, or is interested in doing a jam or wants to get a dallas chapter of loopers anonymous going, or whatever, feel free to contact me at via email. (austin, houston, etc. also welcome - a regional network could be really cool) is anyone else already doing something like this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 11:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24880; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:50:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004101c079a0$b26a19c0$552cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <004101c079a0$b26a19c0$552cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:41:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the expression pedal on the dl4 can be used to control any of the 'knobs' on the unit, or any combination thereof, in any mode. handy and extremely frustrating implementation all at the same time! enjoy... rich >I've not got the pedal yet - can you use it to control the mix level >in loop mode on the DL4? > >Steve > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Martin Shellard >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:37 PM >Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' > > >> I don't miss the faders since you can control some things on the DL4 with a >> pedal (the delay pre-loop only) plus you have switches for reverse and 1/2 >> spped, but what I do miss is the fact that when using the looper it's not a >> delay so there is no feedback to play with. >> Also doesn't have that melancholy sound of the EH16, great unit for the $ >> though. >> >> Martin Shellard >> >> >> > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net >> >> > as far as the DL-4 wouldnt you miss the slider/faders available on >> > the eh? >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 12:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25222; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c07995$94dec7d0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: Dallas loopers? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:06:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <2r0YwD.A.MJG.JFfW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, I'm interested to... e/mail @ ozone@ticnet.com Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Dallas loopers? > > Absolutely. I'm in Dallas and just began assembling my looping rig and am > a relative newcomer to the art and science of looping, but I've really > enjoyed what I've been doing so far and am always willing to learn. > > I'll drop you a line. > > L > > > > > jim palmer > om> cc: > Subject: Dallas loopers? > 01/07/01 > 07:20 PM > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > several people have sent me emails about > getting together in the dallas area. > i had an email screwup and lost all their mails. > sorry guys. (computers are your friends...) > > so anyone who contacted me, > or is interested in doing a jam or wants to get a dallas > chapter of loopers anonymous going, or whatever, > feel free to contact me at via email. > > (austin, houston, etc. also welcome - a regional network could be really > cool) > > is anyone else already doing something like this? > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 12:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26452; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:44:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C51@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NAMM show Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:42:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0799A.57747BB0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0799A.57747BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** actually . . . he figured out how to loop time! > Hi loopists, > I've then got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December > (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel free > to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop, > 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780 626.286-0824 on the 26th. December is over dude. Maybe you mean January? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0799A.57747BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: NAMM show

** actually  . . . he figured out how to loop time!



> Hi loopists,
> I've then got a clinic at the LA Bass Exchange on the 25th December
> (lots of playing, not too much bass chat, so non-bassists feel free
> to come along :o) and a gig at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop,
> 5725 Rosemead Blvd, Temple City,91780   626.286-0824 on the 26th.

December is over dude. Maybe you mean January?


------_=_NextPart_001_01C0799A.57747BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 12:56:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26772; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:52:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:52:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:50:33 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA26726 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Hans.... I'm the moderator and just returned to work this am to find your pending subscribe notification... I approve all subscriptions. I should just go toggle the damn thing to automatically accept. Didn't think the group would get this busy, but we're indeed growing fast. Best, -Miko >>> hans@ernieball.com 01/04/01 06:55PM >>> Speaking of the CT-Collective, I joined the mailing list and haven't heard a reply yet. Does that mean I didn't make the cut? -Hans -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Looper home delivery; this is from the January 4th issue of Showcase magazine: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 12:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26841; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:53:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:51:47 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA26800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm baaaaack! gone Friday - Sunday... All penders done being approooved as I shpit... -m >>> tcn62@ici.net 01/05/01 03:12AM >>> Is Miko away on vacation, possibly? A friend of mine attempted to subscribe a few days ago, and he's still 'pending' moderator approval. -t At 09:23 PM 1/4/01 -0800, you wrote: >Hans, > >We're not that picky. I don't see you in the list on egroups, but that's >most likely because of some email error. You might want to try again. I >think you have to already be registered on egroups, which is free, and >doable from www.egroups.com (the main page). > >Best, > >Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 12:57:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26844; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009d01c0799b$e4269740$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: NAMM Attendees Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:52:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C07958.C39CF3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C07958.C39CF3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To anyone interested and attending NAMM-=20 If you would like to meet somewhere at sometime to say hello let me = know- would be nice no matter how brief- putting faces to names is = always a good thing- I plan on attending at least 3 of the 4 days - this = year I will be taking advantage of as many seminars and sessions as = possible- and learning as much as possible about items related to = building a home studio- monitors, mixers both analog and digital, = microphones- I'll be looking for the Repeater as well-=20 Does anyone here use digital mixers? I was planning on getting a Mackie = 1642 VLZ Pro and a MotorMix- but is there a soloution that will kill = both those birds with 1 stone? Looking for direct outs to a MOTU and = full automation etc. Cheers,=20 Clifford ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C07958.C39CF3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To anyone interested and attending NAMM- =
 
If you would like to meet somewhere at sometime to = say hello=20 let me know- would be nice no matter how brief- putting faces to names = is always=20 a good thing- I plan on attending at least 3 of the 4 days - this = year I=20 will be taking advantage of as many seminars and sessions as possible- = and=20 learning as much as possible about items related to building a home = studio-=20 monitors, mixers both analog and digital, microphones- I'll be looking = for the=20 Repeater as well-
 
Does anyone here use digital mixers? I was planning = on getting=20 a Mackie 1642 VLZ Pro and a MotorMix- but is there a soloution that will = kill=20 both those birds with 1 stone? Looking for direct outs to a MOTU and = full=20 automation etc.
 
Cheers,
Clifford
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C07958.C39CF3E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 13:08:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27990; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looseidreamer@aol.com Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:02:46 EST Subject: Re: Dallas loopers? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <47.5d09a00.278b5ac6@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com im auctually in austin, but i would be interested in jamming with one of you loopmeister guitarists or keyboardists , Im actually a drummer/percussionist and im definitly into looping, sequencing and experimental music (techno, ambient, trance) as well as old school jazz/funk/r&B/blues as well as jammy stuff (the dead, phish, ozrics) and the ultimates pink floyd, beatles, yes etc my email looseidreamer@aol.com darrin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 13:19:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28276; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3E6A@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , "'looseidreamer@aol.com'" Subject: austin loopers ... Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:07:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey there darrin. i'm in austin also. shoot me an email here at work jimmy@loadhandler.com or at home jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com i play around as a looper quite a bit here. are you playing out? -----Original Message----- From: Looseidreamer@aol.com [mailto:Looseidreamer@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 12:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dallas loopers? im auctually in austin, but i would be interested in jamming with one of you loopmeister guitarists or keyboardists , Im actually a drummer/percussionist and im definitly into looping, sequencing and experimental music (techno, ambient, trance) as well as old school jazz/funk/r&B/blues as well as jammy stuff (the dead, phish, ozrics) and the ultimates pink floyd, beatles, yes etc my email looseidreamer@aol.com darrin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 13:26:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28869; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: stereo... Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c079a0$474c39c0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07976.5E7631C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07976.5E7631C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a looper available that handles stereo effects? Short of buying another Echoplex with a special footswitch, I don't know what to do... Thanks! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07976.5E7631C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is = there a looper=20 available that handles stereo effects? Short of buying another Echoplex = with a=20 special footswitch, I don't know what to do...
 
Thanks!
 
Doug
 
Bon Communications,=20 Inc.
Design for Web, Print, and=20 Multimedia
www.boncommunications.com<= /FONT>
email: info@boncommunications.com
ph: 614.850.9492 fax: = 216.274.9091
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C07976.5E7631C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 13:29:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28988; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:27:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:27:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:25:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA28905 Resent-Message-ID: <5K05d.A.nEH.0ZgW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys... I'm the moderator, but have to say I approve *nearly* all requests the same day. Hans... I've been gone three days and all requests were approved as of Wednesday last week. So I can't say why you didn't get on there before. I'm having trouble accessing the site this am so please be patient... it WILL be done. Best, -Miko >>> dakshah@yahoo.com 01/06/01 10:54AM >>> I'm in the same position, waiting for moderator approval. stephen > I tried signing up again to > the CT list, and it said > that I just needed to be approved by the list > moderator. That was in the > middle of December. Egroups still says that my > membership is pending. > Who's the moderator? > > -Hans ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 13:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29554; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:45:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:45:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C52@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: bad boy/correction Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:36:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C079A1.E920A460" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C079A1.E920A460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, sometime ago, someone had talked about nels cline using a little "smokey" (?) amp to feedack his guitar. i said that i had never seen/heard him do this in numerous times of playing with him and hearing him play . . . last night went and heard him play with some other folks and there it was, he did it. the original poster wanted to know how he patched it. here it is: tuner out of ernie ball volume pedal into "smokey" (or whatever it is) place over strings, turn on fuzz factory, "let the fun begin" (as nels said) . . . so, from the guy who doesn't know everything (as my 5-year-old son often tells me), stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C079A1.E920A460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bad boy/correction

howdy,

sometime ago, someone had talked about nels cline = using a little "smokey" (?) amp to feedack his guitar. i said = that i had never seen/heard him do this in numerous times of playing = with him and hearing him play . . . last night went and heard him play = with some other folks and there it was, he did it.

the original poster wanted to know how he patched it. = here it is: tuner out of ernie ball volume pedal into = "smokey" (or whatever it is) place over strings, turn on fuzz = factory, "let the fun begin" (as nels said) . . .  =

so, from the guy who doesn't know everything (as my = 5-year-old son often tells me),

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C079A1.E920A460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 14:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30810; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5A15E6.1DFF@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:32:54 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP NextLoop termination question! References: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On page 4-52 of the EDP User's Guide: "If you're recording, NextLoop will terminate recording but will not advance you to the next loop." It's not working that way for me. AutoRecord is on. NextLoop gets me there, I dub, and then, instead of NextLoop simply terminating recording, I'm sent on to the NEXT loop to start recording THERE. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, but its 'second function' of termination isn't happening. Thanks for any sound advice, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 14:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31192; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a155.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.155] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <00f501c079ee$0cc52d40$9b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <009d01c0799b$e4269740$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: NAMM Attendees Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:41:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>If you would like to meet somewhere at sometime to say hello let me know- would be nice no matter how brief- putting faces to names is always a good thing- I plan on attending at least 3 of the 4 days - this year I will be taking advantage of as many seminars and sessions as possible- and learning as much as possible about items related to building a home studio- monitors, mixers both analog and digital, microphones- I'll be looking for the Repeater as well- << Please let me know about any possible get togethers - I've got a really busy NAMM schedule, but will try to meet up. Otherwise come and find me on the Ashdown or Modulus stands, or come to one of my Californian gigs! :o) cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 14:44:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31267; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:42:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:42:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101081941.LAA26314@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:38:22 -0500 Subject: Re: stereo... From: "David J Dowling" To: doug@boncommunications.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3061809502_343062_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3061809502_343062_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit the new Repeater by Electrix loops in stereo. It has four outputs, two of which can be used as a stereo effect loop. Check out Electrixpro.com ---------- From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: stereo... Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:24 PM Is there a looper available that handles stereo effects? Short of buying another Echoplex with a special footswitch, I don't know what to do... Thanks! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 --MS_Mac_OE_3061809502_343062_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: stereo... the new Repeater by Electrix loops in stereo. It has four outputs, two of w= hich can be used as a stereo effect loop.
Check out Electrixpro.com

----------
From: "Douglas Bonneville" <doug@boncommunications.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: stereo...
Date: Mon, Jan 8, 2001, 1:24 PM


Is there a looper available t= hat handles stereo effects? Short of buying another Echoplex with a special = footswitch, I don't know what to do...
 
Thanks!
 
Doug
 
Bon Communications, Inc.
Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia
www.boncommunications.com <= http://www.boncommunications.com/>
email: info@boncommunications.com
ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091
 

--MS_Mac_OE_3061809502_343062_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 14:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31268; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Field Recordings compilation is full Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:41:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 19:41:06.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[F17AC510:01C079AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, thanks for everyone who responded to my email about the compilation of music made from field recordings. I have all the contributors I need now. Best of luck to you all, Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 15:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32383; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: NAMM Attendees Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <00f501c079ee$0cc52d40$9b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4om5U.A.r5H.bthW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone on this list have an extra pass to NAMM that they could share with a fellow (budding) looper? TIA, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 15:12:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00840; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:09:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:09:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:08:03 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , Subject: RE: Some press coverage for the CT-Collective Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA00814 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry fot the OT nature of these subscription posts, but I want to make sure people who have commented on this list see the results of their subscription travails. My message to Hans follows... Hi Hans... these were the only pending subscription requests I saw today... a total of 4 from these addresses. echo177@bellsouth.net ishmahana99@yahoo.com kenard@home.com sburnett@webslingerz.com I don't see your address among them. Maybe give it another try? Same for you Stephen dakshah@yahoo.com ... Can't say why I haven't seen your requests at the list, but you'll have to try subscribing again. Best regards, -Miko Biffle >>> Hans Lindauer 01/08/01 11:08AM >>> Hi Mike- Thanks for taking care of me. Let me know if I need to try to re-subscribe or do anything else on my end. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02042; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:58:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:58:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [170.76.75.70] From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: All my looping gear for sale-Oberheim EDP!! Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:56:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 20:56:43.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[8160CC60:01C079B5] Resent-Message-ID: <_si9pD.A._e.pmiW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm leaving the looping universe and all my gear is for sale. Here's what I got: 1. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with the footpedal($600) in excellent condition(been in my rack the whole time) Still have the original box. 2. Lexicon Vortex($200) in excellent condition. I'll even throw in the Roland ev5 expression pedal. 3. Roland Space Echo RE-150 ($200) in excellent condition. New tape installed plus an extra new tape included. Autograph of Morton Subotnick on the panel! 4. ART DXR Elite stereo delay rack unit in excellent condition($75) 5. Rane SM26 four channel mixer/splitter in rack unit($150) Cool mixer that allows you to mix and split signals in complex interactive ways. 6. 6 space SBK hardcase rack with power strip rack unit included ($100) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:17:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03023; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:13:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:13:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5A2D30.8080501@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:12:16 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All my looping gear for sale-Oberheim EDP!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hung, I am interested in your Oberheim... how do you accept payment? Paypal? COD? Where are you located? -jas Albuquerque New Mexico Hung Nguyen wrote: > > . > > I'm leaving the looping universe and all my gear is for sale. Here's what I > got: > > 1. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with the footpedal($600) in excellent > condition(been in my rack the whole time) Still have the original box. > > 2. Lexicon Vortex($200) in excellent condition. I'll even throw in the > Roland ev5 expression pedal. > > 3. Roland Space Echo RE-150 ($200) in excellent condition. New tape > installed plus an extra new tape included. Autograph of Morton Subotnick on > the panel! > > 4. ART DXR Elite stereo delay rack unit in excellent condition($75) > > 5. Rane SM26 four channel mixer/splitter in rack unit($150) Cool mixer that > allows you to mix and split signals in complex interactive ways. > > 6. 6 space SBK hardcase rack with power strip rack unit included ($100) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03810; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:33:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:33:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5A31D0.2050103@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:32:00 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All my looping gear - OOPS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gotta say sorry to the list for my quick trigger finger, I didnt realize I was sending my reply to the whole group! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:47:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04382; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:43:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F476C@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: All my looping gear - OOPS Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:42:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually it was as interesting as the opriginal post 8-) Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Fink [mailto:jfink@cabq.gov] Subject: Re: All my looping gear - OOPS I didnt realize I was sending my reply to the whole group! later, -jas Albuquerque From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:50:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04497; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [170.76.75.70] From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All my looping gear for sale-Oberheim EDP!! Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:44:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 21:44:57.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E4BEE30:01C079BC] Resent-Message-ID: <0zVsC.A.0FB.2TjW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry it's taken locally. >From: Jason Fink >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: All my looping gear for sale-Oberheim EDP!! >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:12:16 -0700 > > > >Hung, > > I am interested in your Oberheim... how do you accept > payment? Paypal? COD? Where are you located? > >-jas >Albuquerque >New Mexico > >Hung Nguyen wrote: > >> >>. >> >>I'm leaving the looping universe and all my gear is for sale. Here's what >>I >>got: >> >>1. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with the footpedal($600) in excellent >>condition(been in my rack the whole time) Still have the original box. >> >>2. Lexicon Vortex($200) in excellent condition. I'll even throw in the >>Roland ev5 expression pedal. >> >>3. Roland Space Echo RE-150 ($200) in excellent condition. New tape >>installed plus an extra new tape included. Autograph of Morton Subotnick >>on >>the panel! >> >>4. ART DXR Elite stereo delay rack unit in excellent condition($75) >> >>5. Rane SM26 four channel mixer/splitter in rack unit($150) Cool mixer >>that >>allows you to mix and split signals in complex interactive ways. >> >>6. 6 space SBK hardcase rack with power strip rack unit included ($100) >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:55:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05375; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:53:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:53:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c079bc$809a9200$4532e4d5@henle> Reply-To: "Nodapoc" From: "Nodapoc" To: Subject: Intro Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:46:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi ! I'm new to this list, Matt recommended it to me. I sometimes make music, and sometimes loops, and I'm interested in learning more about the different equipments you all use... A bit of personal info : I'm 21, live in France, and my favourite music is all Nurse With Wound, Current 93 and Coil related things. Not just this of course, much more too... all that is experimental. Asmus Tietchens too... So... I guess I might stay mostly lurcking at the beginning, I hope you don't mind... Bye ! "Nodapoc" ICQ : 34901481 - http://lpdcoversmakers.free.fr : exchange your cover art for the Legendary Pink Dots live recordings, and join our mailing list. - http://nodapoc.free.fr : Nodapoc Giddy Giggles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 16:56:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05178; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-id: <1010108150147.5544d31.d105b304.ASIP6.3.1.54440@shop.westworld.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:50:19 -0700 Subject: next loop From: "Tom De Vries" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am pretty new to this whole process, I just got an EDP and I am not really a pro. I play the guitar and hope to use it as a "second" guitar so I can play some solos, etc. over what I have already laid down. This post was just sent to the list... On page 4-52 of the EDP User's Guide: "If you're recording, NextLoop will terminate recording but will not advance you to the next loop." It's not working that way for me. AutoRecord is on. NextLoop gets me there, I dub, and then, instead of NextLoop simply terminating recording, I'm sent on to the NEXT loop to start recording THERE. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, but its 'second function' of termination isn't happening. Thanks for any sound advice, David My question is......the way the manual states it, IS working for me. When I start recording in a loop, and hit NextLoop, it terminates the recording. I would like to have happen what David is describing above. I.E. I would like to terminate recording one loop by starting another. Is this possible? The reason for this would be to create a couple loops, say a verse and a chorus, the first time through a song, and then be able to play over top of them the second time through the song, and be able to repeat a chorus more than once, etc. David, I am not sure what to say, I just got my EDP and it does seem to be terminating as described in the manual.... Tom De Vries Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 17:40:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07159; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5A3E6E.EA40B254@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:25:50 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Stomp box distortions of all types... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Selling a few things around the studio... 1. Boss DF2 Super Distortion and Feedbacker - $75 discontinued Orange stompbox that is famous for it's ability to create a VCOlike Feedback signal when you hold the pedal down. This allows infinite sustain and you can also tune the signal to create an overtone to the original signal. Works perfectly with guitars or clear synth notes (loves a squarewave) but also interesting effect for #%$in' things up if you throw a drum loop or something rhythmical into it. Pic available on request. 2. Korg G1 Distortion Processor- $100. In original box w original manual, no PS (regular 9vt). Red floor unit that has seven different distortion types, EQ, and even a preset three stage digital delay. Amp simulator (For recording direct, Headphone jack (all you need to jam in bed) etc. Distortions are very good an include: Fuzz, Octafuzz, Overdrives, Harsh Metalsish stuff, and some with built in Wahs. You can use a Korg Expression pedal to even sweep the CV in on the unit and make it a Wah-Wah. Saves 9 user preset sounds, four foot switches, plenty of knobs and a joy to use. 3. Ibanez Metal somethingorother. $25. Late 80's/Early 90s steel case series with the front flip top for battery changing (ie: like the FC10 Fat Cat, Bimode Chorus, etc). Sounds more tubeish than metal to my ears but whatever, it's dirt cheap. If you need the exact model # I'll be happy to find it. Three knobs, nice switch, good all around distortion pedal, GREAT for analog drum machines (I used it with a TR606 often). I think all prices are very fair but if you have a better idea or trade let me know. Prepay only (I have many references) and buyer pays shipping or pickup in Phila PA. I can do Paypal now to make things easier as well. Thanks __________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 19:01:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09127; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:43:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010108234150.74329.qmail@web9203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: signalslip Subject: laptop soundcards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello all, i'll soon be adding a laptop to my looping setup. can anyone recommend a low-mid price laptop sound card? i'd eventually like a multiple i/o card but that will have to wait awhile so really now i'm just looking for a basic but really quiet 16+ bit with 1/8 inch i/o. please let me know about cards to avoid as well due to noise, buggy drivers and such. thanks for any response, jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 20:21:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11942; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 01:13:02 +0000 Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c079a0$b26a19c0$552cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can use the pedal to control any of the front panel knobs' parameters in any mode. You have to try it, it's a whole new pedal unit with the pedal, you can play into the loop with the delay in front and tweak the delay time as you go, then loop that. Wow! I use a Roland EV-5 but I think any 5V controller will work. Martin Shellard > From: "Steve Lawson" > > I've not got the pedal yet - can you use it to control the mix level in loop > mode on the DL4? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 20:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11939; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:14:16 EST Subject: Re: 'frippinabox' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can use it to control the mix in the loop mode. i use it for this very purpose. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 20:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12175; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:24:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: laptop soundcards Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010108234150.74329.qmail@web9203.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Digigram VXPocket (Mac/Win, $729) just won Best Audio Award. Check it out in 1/01 issue of Electronic Musician. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: signalslip [mailto:signalslip@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 3:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: laptop soundcards > > > hello all, > i'll soon be adding a laptop to my looping setup. can > anyone recommend a low-mid price laptop sound card? > i'd eventually like a multiple i/o card but that will > have to wait awhile so really now i'm just looking for > a basic but really quiet 16+ bit with 1/8 inch i/o. > please let me know about cards to avoid as well due to > noise, buggy drivers and such. > thanks for any response, > jason > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 8 23:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16437; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:49:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:49:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:46:06 -0800 Subject: Electrochakra @ Seattle Glassblowing Studio 1/13/01 [Seattle, WA] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Wc0dB.A.RAE.gepW6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra [a loop infested quartet] will be performing at the Seattle Glassblowing Studio (2227 5th Avenue) this Saturday, January 13th, at 9PM. The glassblowing artisans will be demonstrating their considerable skills during the musical performance, which will occur in the spacious work area of the glass studio. We'll also have copies of our new CD available for purchase. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 00:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17323; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:09:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:09:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c079f9$b7dc2750$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C079CF.CF061F50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C079CF.CF061F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know what I should be paying for an Echoplex (used) these days? I have one from 98 with 198 seconds, and there are a few on Ebay. I can't find a new price for it anymore. It's not listed at musicianfriend anymore. I want to take advantage of my MPX-1 stereo effects and can't do it with one Echoplex, as it turns out. Why did they do mono! Thanks! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C079CF.CF061F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does = anyone know=20 what I should be paying for an Echoplex (used) these days? I have one = from 98=20 with 198 seconds, and there are a few on Ebay. I can't find a new price = for it=20 anymore. It's not listed at musicianfriend anymore. I want to take = advantage of=20 my MPX-1 stereo effects and can't do it with one Echoplex, as it turns = out. Why=20 did they do mono!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C079CF.CF061F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 01:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18877; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:30:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:30:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.ecf8b7d.278c0846@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:23:02 EST Subject: Once again..... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- About a week ago I posted here that I would be selling a mint Echoplex with Foot Controller (latest Software Rev, maxed out memory, includes manual and original boxes) on eBay. Lo and behold, the winning bidder (at $910) has apparently reneged. So if anyone here is interested, feel free to make me a reasonable offer. Thanks- -Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 02:45:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20924; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:41:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:41:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c079a0$474c39c0$6601a8c0@wesley> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:34:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: stereo... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:24 AM -0800 1/8/01, Douglas Bonneville wrote: > Is there a looper available that handles stereo effects? Short of >buying another Echoplex with a special footswitch, I don't know what to >do... you don't need a special footswitch. One regular echoplex footswitch will control two units hooked together in stereo. here's the section of the echoplex FAQ on stereo: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ4.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 03:01:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21286; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:58:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01c0799b$e4269740$7bb387d8@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:53:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: NAMM Attendees Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:52 AM -0800 1/8/01, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > To anyone interested and attending NAMM- If you would like to meet >somewhere at sometime to say hello let me know- would be nice no matter >how brief- putting faces to names is always a good thing- yes, let's do the annual Looper's Delight namm meeting! I guess I'll mainly be there Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning. (unless anybody wants to meet in disneyland, I'll be there thursday. :-) I nominate saturday 1:30, for a slightly-after-the-crowd lunch. anybody want to pick a good landmark? (not the gemini booth, looks like my gf is tagging along this year. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 07:58:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26018; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:50:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:50:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c07a3a$a6f0e1b0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C07A10.BE1AD9B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C07A10.BE1AD9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After reading the specs on the Repeater, it seems self-evident to me that this essentially slaps every other piece of gear, and all of it combined, up and down and left and right. Am I missing something or is this the panacea for looping? I read the manual and can't believe what it can do. Am missing something essential that it can't do? It looks like its poised and priced to dominate the looping market. Has anyone else read up thoroughly on it? Any inside scoops? Thanks! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C07A10.BE1AD9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
After = reading the=20 specs on the Repeater, it seems self-evident to me that this essentially = slaps=20 every other piece of gear, and all of it combined, up and down and left = and=20 right. Am I missing something or is this the panacea for looping? I read = the=20 manual and can't believe what it can do. Am missing something essential = that it=20 can't do? It looks like its poised and priced to dominate the looping = market.=20 Has anyone else read up thoroughly on it? Any inside = scoops?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C07A10.BE1AD9B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 09:55:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28413; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:53:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:53:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9180221@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT:I nominate booth 4878 - BC Rich/Kustom Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:57:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am having Elvira "Mistress of the Loop" at my booth, Saturday at 1:00, Plus there's a cafeteria directly across from my booth. BC Rich booth 4878 Also I would like to ask loopers what they would like to see in an amp/pa that would compliment there act. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: NAMM Attendees > > At 9:52 AM -0800 1/8/01, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: > > To anyone interested and attending NAMM- If you would like to meet > >somewhere at sometime to say hello let me know- would be nice no matter > >how brief- putting faces to names is always a good thing- > > yes, let's do the annual Looper's Delight namm meeting! I guess I'll > mainly > be there Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning. (unless anybody wants to > meet in disneyland, I'll be there thursday. :-) > > I nominate saturday 1:30, for a slightly-after-the-crowd lunch. anybody > want to pick a good landmark? (not the gemini booth, looks like my gf is > tagging along this year. ;-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 11:09:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30542; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:07:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:07:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8327C4E3CBB0D41192AE00B0D03ECCDB02365D@192-168-100-21.madisonriver.net> From: "Hemphill, Don" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: which wah pedal to buy? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:05:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings list, I am planning to purchase a wah pedal for use on a Rhodes and a Hammond. I currently have an early 80's Morley phase shifter/volume pedal and like how it sounds with my buddy's cry baby. I am leaning towards purchasing the newer adjustable cry baby or the steve vai bad horsie by morley. I am interested in hearing comments and personal opinions from the list regarding this issue. Thanks! Don Hemphill Peoria, IL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 11:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30889; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:06:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: NAMM Attendees Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I nominate saturday 1:30, for a slightly-after-the-crowd lunch. anybody >want to pick a good landmark? ummm....the Electrix booth? I'm sure they would just love to have us all gathered around with saliva at the corners of our mouths, saying "where the &%%$@#!!! is the thing?!?!!!" rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 11:22:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31418; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5B3947.11729415@magi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:16:07 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: which wah pedal to buy? References: <8327C4E3CBB0D41192AE00B0D03ECCDB02365D@192-168-100-21.madisonriver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've owned way too many wah pedals over the last two years. The one I've finnaly settled on is the Fulltone Clyde. It is true bypass, which is a nice thing to have in a wah pedal and it has a little adjustable dial on the inside which allows you to dial up crisp high end sweep down to throaty low end growl. you can hear it at www.fulltone.com cheers, DAve "Hemphill, Don" wrote: > Greetings list, > > I am planning to purchase a wah pedal for use on a Rhodes and a Hammond. I > currently have an early 80's Morley phase shifter/volume pedal and like how > it sounds with my buddy's cry baby. I am leaning towards purchasing the > newer adjustable cry baby or the steve vai bad horsie by morley. > > I am interested in hearing comments and personal opinions from the list > regarding this issue. > > Thanks! > > Don Hemphill > Peoria, IL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 11:59:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32266; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:56:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:56:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:29:34 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: which wah pedal to buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012b01c07a59$5a706fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <8327C4E3CBB0D41192AE00B0D03ECCDB02365D@192-168-100-21.madisonriver.net> <3A5B3947.11729415@magi.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've gotta second this opinion. best looper wah... (hadda get loop in there somewhere, right?) >...The one I've > finnaly settled on is the Fulltone Clyde. It is true bypass, which is a nice > thing to have in a wah pedal and it has a little adjustable dial on the inside > which allows you to dial up crisp high end sweep down to throaty low end growl. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01407; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:58:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:58:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:55:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: stereo... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA01338 Resent-Message-ID: <_xjNqB.A.aV.sD1W6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It can't to INSERT like the EDP... -m >>> "Douglas Bonneville" 01/09/01 04:49AM >>> After reading the specs on the Repeater, it seems self-evident to me that this essentially slaps every other piece of gear, and all of it combined, up and down and left and right. Am I missing something or is this the panacea for looping? I read the manual and can't believe what it can do. Am missing something essential that it can't do? It looks like its poised and priced to dominate the looping market. Has anyone else read up thoroughly on it? Any inside scoops? Thanks! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:08:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02146; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:06:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:06:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: stereo... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And, to be precise, it's not here yet. The EDP is. regards, Steve Burnett On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Mike Biffle wrote: > It can't to INSERT like the EDP... > > -m > > >>> "Douglas Bonneville" 01/09/01 04:49AM >>> > After reading the specs on the Repeater, it seems self-evident to me that > this essentially slaps every other piece of gear, and all of it combined, up > and down and left and right. Am I missing something or is this the panacea > for looping? I read the manual and can't believe what it can do. Am missing > something essential that it can't do? It looks like its poised and priced to > dominate the looping market. Has anyone else read up thoroughly on it? Any > inside scoops? > > Thanks! > > Doug > > Bon Communications, Inc. > Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia > www.boncommunications.com > email: info@boncommunications.com > ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 > > > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02107; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:05:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Rugscrpntr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:02:58 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.e3468e5.278cac52_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.e3468e5.278cac52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_c4.e3468e5.278cac52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe --part1_c4.e3468e5.278cac52_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:14:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02528; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:10:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:10:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c07a67$3771d100$3781e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C52@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: bad boy/correction Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:08:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07A24.25935DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6dQBVC.A.wj.UO1W6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07A24.25935DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bad boy/correctionI recently purchased a little SMokey amp ($25 plus = tax!!!!!).............it rocks!!!! Also, unbeknownst to some people, = it has a speaker out jack that, when patched into a speaker enclosure = (I tried a marshall stack) at the store puts out a shocking amount of = volume (incredible for a 'toy' amp). My only beef is that it only distorts the sound and you cannot control = it. It would be hip if they put out a clean 'Smoke'.. I'm trying to put an entirely battery driven looping rig together (Line = 6, battery operated mixer, smokey amp or=20 pig nose, battery powered mic) so that I can go out and do guerilla = looping gigs on the mall. Anyone know of a good battery powered, small mixer? How about an inexpensive battery powered mic that is decent? Yours, in Looping, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) PS On Tuesday , January 23rd the Rio Theater and myself are hosting=20 THE 1ST NORTHERN CALIFORNIA SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL in Santa Cruz, California featuring Steve Lawson (England), Max = Valentino (Tehachip, California), Trey Donavan (Santa Cruz, California) and moi (a reall stretch, = considering that I am a professional drummer/percussion/producer but = I've got a couple of very cool things cooked up. I will send out an = official=20 press release when I have it completed in a few days. If you've got any interesting BASS ONLY looping recordings (in CD = format only, sorry), mail them to me post haste and I will introduce them and play them for the festival goers between = acts.. my SNAIL MAIL: RICK WALKER (or Loop.pooL) 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California =20 95062-2629 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07A24.25935DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bad boy/correction
I recently purchased a little SMokey = amp ($25=20 plus tax!!!!!).............it rocks!!!!   Also, unbeknownst to = some=20 people, it has a speaker out = jack  that,=20 when patched into a speaker enclosure (I tried a marshall stack) at the = store=20 puts out a shocking amount of volume (incredible for a 'toy' = amp).
 
My only beef is that it only = distorts the sound=20 and you cannot control it.
It would be hip if they put out a = clean=20 'Smoke'..
 
I'm trying to put an entirely = battery driven=20 looping rig together (Line 6, battery operated mixer, smokey amp or=20
pig nose, battery powered mic) so = that I can go=20 out and do guerilla looping gigs on the mall.
 
Anyone know of a good battery = powered, small=20 mixer?
 
How about an inexpensive battery = powered mic=20 that is decent?
 
Yours, in Looping,    = Rick Walker=20 (aka, Loop.pooL)
 
PS  On Tuesday , January 23rd = the Rio=20 Theater and myself are hosting
THE 1ST NORTHERN CALIFORNIA SOLO = BASS LOOPING=20 FESTIVAL
in Santa Cruz, = California   =20 featuring     Steve Lawson (England),  Max = Valentino=20 (Tehachip, California),
Trey Donavan (Santa Cruz, = California) and moi (a=20 reall stretch, considering that I am a professional = drummer/percussion/producer=20 but I've got a couple of very cool things cooked up. I will send out an = official=20
press release when I have it = completed in a few=20 days.
 
If you've got any interesting  = BASS ONLY=20 looping recordings (in CD format only, sorry), mail them to me post=20 haste
and I will introduce them and play = them for the=20 festival goers between acts..
 
my SNAIL MAIL:
RICK WALKER (or=20 Loop.pooL)
412 Darwin Street
Santa Cruz, California =20
95062-2629
 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07A24.25935DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02803; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5B48E8.4A9B@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:22:49 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bad boy/correction References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C52@migarexch01.maritz.com> <009901c07a67$3771d100$3781e3a5@poo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it depends on how you define mixer but radio shack has something bat powered From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:26:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02975; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:23:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:23:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: bad boy/correction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:18:15 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/09/2001 12:18:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Anyone know of a good battery powered, small mixer? If you can get past the stigma, Peavey has unrolled a new line of mixers. In particular, the RQ 200 ( http://www.peavey.com/sr/rq_200_.html ). For what it's worth. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:41:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03413; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: bad boy/correction Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:36:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07A6B.0BB0A8B0" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A6B.0BB0A8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rick- =A0 I have an Armatronix gig lined up for the night of Friday, February 2nd = at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos.=A0 I've got the locals hyped on the = scene, and if you would be interested=A0in coming down, I'd be honored to = share the bill with you.=A0 Let me know what you think. =A0 =A0 -Hans =A0 Hans Lindauer=20 Engineer, Music Man R&D=20 Ernie Ball, Inc.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A6B.0BB0A8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" bad boy/correction
Hi Rick-
 
I have an Armatronix gig lined up for the night of Friday, February 2nd at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los Osos.  I've got the locals hyped on the scene, and if you would be interested in coming down, I'd be honored to share the bill with you.  Let me know what you think.
 
 
-Hans
 

Hans Lindauer
Engineer, Music Man R&D
Ernie Ball, Inc.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A6B.0BB0A8B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 13:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03720; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:48:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:48:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Battery Powered. (was Re: bad boy/correction) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:46:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2001 18:46:47.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[850D6C80:01C07A6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Anyone know of a good battery powered, small mixer? Instead of doubling up on gear, consider getting a rechargeable "marine" or RV battery. I saw a small electric band playing at an outdoor festival last year and they claimed that for under $300 you can get a setup that includes battery, charger, converters, and whatever else you may need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:08:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04642; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:06:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:06:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: RE: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c07a6f$00fe2cb0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't the lack of "insert" on the Repeater easily overcome by the fact that it can switch to any loop, new or stored, at any time - if you program your Ground Control or RP-1 or whatever midi floor-controller? Doug > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Mike Biffle wrote: > > > It can't to INSERT like the EDP... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:09:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04672; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c07a6e$482f1410$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C52@migarexch01.maritz.com> <009901c07a67$3771d100$3781e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: bad boy/correction Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:59:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1ytw-D.A.vIB.vE2W6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bad boy/correction> From: Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) > I'm trying to put an entirely battery driven looping rig together (Line 6, battery operated mixer, smokey amp or > pig nose, battery powered mic) so that I can go out and do guerilla looping gigs on the mall. Hey, Rick, if you're into a DIY style, you might include one of these (the URL is probably split between lines): http://www.jameco.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/Jameco/searchResult.d2w/r eport?sort=&search=FM+stereo+transmitter&Go.x=19&Go.y=10 aka "KIT,FM STEREO TRANSMITTER Part No. 151239 Product No. FMST100". Description reads: Run your own FM radio station! Any stereo signal you plug into this unit will be transmitted to any FM radio tunable from 76-108MHz. Plug in a CD player or tape deck and you have a wireless link to an FM radio within 200 feet. Clarity is approximately 40dB stereo separation. Length of antenna determines the distance of transmition.Comes with left and right inputs. -Operating voltage: 9VDC -Size: 2.7"L x 2.0"W -Weight: 0.2 lbs. -Includes instuctions and schematic When you do yo go-rill-ah thang, put up a sign with your transmitting freq. on it. Let the Walk-man hu-mans tune in! Or instead of using a amp, try a bunch of battery powered radios and scatter them around your playing area . Sounds like fun! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:33:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05320; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:31:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c07a71$a0190020$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <004d01c07a6f$00fe2cb0$6601a8c0@wesley> Subject: Re: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:23:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been my experience that unreleased products are always better than what's available. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:39:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05620; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:35:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , Subject: Battery Powered. (was Re: bad boy/correction) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA05590 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, Check out the Galaxy Far Outlet... http://www.galaxyaudio.com/HTMLCUTS/FarOutlet.html If you don't want to take one of your Mackie SRM's out, then Crate makes a cool line of battery powered amps. There's one with 30 watts, and one with 50... http://www.crateamps.com/stlmusic/crateamp/tx50db.html They're light, fairly inexpensive, and have a piezo in there for a fairly clear, sorta full-range sound. I've seen a couple players on the street with a pair of the 30 watters playing in stereo. Really cool and portable. Don't know how long the batteries last. I want one... bestest! -Miko >>> g716_loop@hotmail.com 01/09/01 10:47AM >>> >>Anyone know of a good battery powered, small mixer? Instead of doubling up on gear, consider getting a rechargeable "marine" or RV battery. I saw a small electric band playing at an outdoor festival last year and they claimed that for under $300 you can get a setup that includes battery, charger, converters, and whatever else you may need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:39:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05660; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:38:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c07a73$b439f9e0$638ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: Re: bad boy/correction Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:38:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks so much for the feedback, everyone I'm not a snob, electronically. Anything that works, works!! Radio Shack actually sell a little stereo mic (which, unfortunately, you can only buy with a stereo walkman that they sell and not separately) which is absolutely flate from 20 hz - 20,000 hz----it blows away mics that are 5 times as expensive. Also, recently I discovered that my dual piezo pickup for my middleeastern Oud can be assembled for approximately $9 using Radio Shack piezo buzzers----the identical element as used in my $130 Dean Markley pickup. yeah, Radio Shack yours, Rick Walker (aka, loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:40:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05621; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c07a73$7fadd3e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Namm Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:36:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C07A30.6DE7CAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C07A30.6DE7CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if a schedule of all the booth's events will be = available before the show? I can only find buisness related seminars and = the like on the Namm web site- I would like to have a battle plan in = hand before I enter the fray-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C07A30.6DE7CAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know if a schedule of all the booth's = events will=20 be available before the show? I can only find buisness related seminars = and the=20 like on the Namm web site- I would like to have a battle plan in hand = before I=20 enter the fray-
 
Cliff
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C07A30.6DE7CAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06085; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:39:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:39:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:40:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: stereo... Thread-Index: AcB6bzoj+0P13coKRfq11jecZNeDKwAA51fw From: "Kim Flint" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA05667 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, that's a multiple loop function, similar to what has been available on the jamman and echoplex for a long time. That is not the same as Insert at all. How the Repeater compares to those two for multiple loop functions is something that will have to be seen after the Repeater is out and people can play with it. The details and playability are really what matter, and you really need to play with it to get a feel for that level of operation. You won't get it from a list of functions. The Insert function is completely different from that, however. That is unique to the echoplex and not available on any other device. kim -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Bonneville [mailto:doug@boncommunications.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: stereo... Isn't the lack of "insert" on the Repeater easily overcome by the fact that it can switch to any loop, new or stored, at any time - if you program your Ground Control or RP-1 or whatever midi floor-controller? Doug > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Mike Biffle wrote: > > > It can't to INSERT like the EDP... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06427; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:42:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:42:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:43:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008801c07a71$a0190020$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been my experience that products always sound better until they are heard. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: stereo... > > > > It's been my experience that unreleased products are always better than > what's available. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06687; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c07a75$14cfd120$0200a8c0@pandora.be> From: "Thys NV" To: References: Subject: Re: stereo... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:48:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you mean by insert on the edp? Pieter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:52:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06787; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:50:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a161.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.161] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <019401c07ab8$9a8d5a60$232cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <003d01c07a73$7fadd3e0$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: Namm Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:50:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some companies send them out before hand, but very few. Even when writing for an international bass magazine, it was nigh on impossible to get a list of the artists who would be representing a company at the show, let alone times of performance... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn ----- Original Message ----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers Delight Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: OT: Namm Does anyone know if a schedule of all the booth's events will be available before the show? I can only find buisness related seminars and the like on the Namm web site- I would like to have a battle plan in hand before I enter the fray- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:52:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06648; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010109113721.01edd050@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:41:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: OT: Namm In-Reply-To: <003d01c07a73$7fadd3e0$7bb387d8@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Clifford@BienAppraisers (11:36 AM 01/09/01) wrote: >Does anyone know if a schedule of all the booth's events will be available >before the show? I can only find buisness related seminars and the like on >the Namm web site- I would like to have a battle plan in hand before I >enter the fray- If you mean an exhibitor's list, that's online: http://www.namm.org/ Click on "Trade show" Click on "Exhibitor list" under "Winter Show" If you mean what time that DigiDesign is doing which ProTools demo and such, then no, I've never seen that information posted up before a show. Booth schedules can change dramatically during a show, and NAMM tends to take a hands-off attitude on trying to keep that information online. *SOMETIMES* I've seen vendors having their own flyers out and around the entry areas giving out demo schedules, but usually that information is best gotten from the vendor's booth on the fly. Even then though, the schedules can float and not be really tight. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 14:56:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07279; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:54:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:54:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:52:13 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: stereo... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA07251 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, that's ok for previously stored stuff, but what if you want to inject/replace a second or two of feedback or silence in a real-time loop? Not possible... Damon has sent me some wish list from beta testers concerning upcoming s/w upgrades, but insert is about two upgrades away probably. Sounds like a great box anyway, but facts are facts... NO INSERT... one of my favorite functions for creating faux granulated types of loops. -Miko >>> "Douglas Bonneville" 01/09/01 11:04AM >>> Isn't the lack of "insert" on the Repeater easily overcome by the fact that it can switch to any loop, new or stored, at any time - if you program your Ground Control or RP-1 or whatever midi floor-controller? Doug > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Mike Biffle wrote: > > > It can't to INSERT like the EDP... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 15:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08638; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c07a7b$e34cc840$960c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Electro-Harmonix repairs Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:36:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Loop Cowboys-- I stumbled across a posting from this guy (Howard Davis) who does repairs on EH stuff. He claims to have designed some of their units--maybe the looper (!!?). For what it's worth-- check hdavis.interport@rcn.com Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 15:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09089; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:52:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battery Powered. (was Re: bad boy/correction) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The crate Taxis, imho are poop compared to the tried and true MaxiMouse. I'm not sure they're even made anymore, but every street performer I've seen in Boston who sounded at all good was using either a MaxiMouse or two (relatively cheap) or a Fender Passport (relatively expensive, and pretentious looking for a street performer) -><- On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Mike Biffle wrote: > Hi Rick, > > Check out the Galaxy Far Outlet... > > http://www.galaxyaudio.com/HTMLCUTS/FarOutlet.html > > If you don't want to take one of your Mackie SRM's out, then Crate makes a cool line of battery powered amps. There's one with 30 watts, and one with 50... > > http://www.crateamps.com/stlmusic/crateamp/tx50db.html > > They're light, fairly inexpensive, and have a piezo in there for a fairly clear, sorta full-range sound. I've seen a couple players on the street with a pair of the 30 watters playing in stereo. Really cool and portable. Don't know how long the batteries last. > > I want one... > > bestest! > -Miko > > >>> g716_loop@hotmail.com 01/09/01 10:47AM >>> > >>Anyone know of a good battery powered, small mixer? > > Instead of doubling up on gear, consider getting a rechargeable "marine" or > RV battery. I saw a small electric band playing at an outdoor festival last > year and they claimed that for under $300 you can get a setup that includes > battery, charger, converters, and whatever else you may need. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 17:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11551; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:33:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:33:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:30:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101092230.f09MU5p19126@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: SP???? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt it might seem like a bit selfish to ask this since you already (and finally) have my SP track, but have the other guys ave already finish and sent their tracks? we might finish the City sounds before SP is completed!!:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 17:50:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11994; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:47:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:47:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:44:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101092244.f09MiHp22757@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: SP???? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for that OT post to the list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 18:23:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13060; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:NAMM Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07A92.AA459678" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A92.AA459678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey loopers, Anyone who is at NAMM is also welcome to meet at our booth (we have yoyo's and some other cool swag if you say your from the group((unless we run out)). Electrix - Hall E 1132 I posted scans of the artist appearances at NAMM on our top secret section. http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMartists A few artists of interest are below. EMG booth #4758 California Guitar Trio Wave Distribution booth #6627 Trey Gunn Jan 20/21 12:00-2:00 Guitarapalooza Jan 18 @7pm Anaheim Westcoast Hotel (tickets @ Brian Moore Guitars) Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A92.AA459678 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bad boy/correction
Hey=20 loopers,
 
Anyone who is at NAMM is also welcome to meet at our booth (we = have=20 yoyo's and some other cool swag if you say your from the group((unless = we run=20 out)).

Electrix - Hall E = 1132

I posted scans of the artist appearances at = NAMM on our=20 top secret section. http://www.ele= ctrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMartists

A few=20 artists of interest are below.

EMG booth #4758 = California Guitar=20 Trio

Wave Distribution booth = #6627 Trey Gunn=20 Jan 20/21 12:00-2:00

Guitarapalooza Jan 18 = @7pm Anaheim=20 Westcoast Hotel (tickets @ Brian Moore

Guitars)

Respect,

Damon Langlois
Creative = Director
Electrix
Tel=20 (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
http://www.electrixpro.com

 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A92.AA459678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 19:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15045; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5BB056.5B35E2EB@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:44:07 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Good to be back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I havn't been on the list for awhile and its good to see how its grown. Just some audio spam for yas. Free tunes at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/185/echo_17.html peace, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 19:53:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15144; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:49:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:49:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SP???? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:48:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2001 00:48:49.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[18306F30:01C07A9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And I too, am sorry about posting this private email to loopers-delight. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 19:55:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15141; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:49:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:49:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SP???? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:48:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2001 00:48:16.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[04B5DCB0:01C07A9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Andy Soto > Matt it might seem like a bit selfish to ask this since you already (and >finally) have my SP track, but have the other guys ave already finish and >sent their tracks? we might finish the City sounds before SP is >completed!!:-) > It doesn't seem selfish at all! There are only two people left whose tracks I don't have. One is Nate Groth, who lost his CD burner, and was going to try to upload it to the mp3 page. That was over a month ago, so I'm going to start nagging him again. The other is Rafter, who's spent the last 6 months putting together his own professional recording studio in a new building. He told me on thursday that he was probably going to finish his track in the weekend that we just had. I'll call him tonight and see if he did. Chris White sent me his track at about the same time you were uploading yours. He posted it on his personal page so I could fetch it. I just put it on mp3.com today, so it should appear tomorrow. I'm certain that S/P is going to be completely done by the time CT-Location material starts coming in. Well, the mastering part, anyway. I'm not sure how long it will take Chris White to do the S/P artwork. If he has changed his mind about doing the artwork in the last year, I have an extremely simple design in mind that I could do fairly quickly. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 21:52:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18366; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c07aaf$57b32e80$e6971440@being> From: "Philip Rampi-Green" To: Subject: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:45:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello ALL, First off, thanks Kim for this incredible resource and all of your gracious time and efforts. Thank you as well to everyone on this list for your contributions to my looping knowledge. I have been reading the archives for many months and have refrained from comment/contribution until this moment. Apologies for the long post..... I know Kim is extremely busy, so I chose to share this with all of you in hopes of resolving these issues ASAP. The following is a updated (1/9/01) version of what I sent to Kim last week (1/3/01): I have a pair of Gibson EDP's (sn's: 89 & 91..? w/16MB of RAM in each) that I purchased last spring. Both units went back to Gibson pretty much immediately after arrival for repairs, including CPU clock crystal replacement to fix intermittent booting problems and input/output gain balancing between the two units. The repair was done by the way cool EDP Guru - Shane Radke - himself. The units came back ready for action with one annoying exception. The 2 units (configured for stereo) would intermittently loose sync with each other while switching between loops (LoopCount was set to 4 at that time). The problem was fairly infrequent and I was not really sure if I had all of the stereo parameters set correctly on both units, so I lived with it. As I am gaining experience with the EDP's, I am using more of the edit functions and have found that this - annoyance - has now become unworkable. The units frequently loose sync during NextLoop and Insert functions. What I mean by loosing sync is that as I execute these functions, the cycles of the loop I'm either stepping to (NextLoop) or working on (Insert), loose step with each other. I.E. - One unit is on cycle 4 while the other is on cycle 5. It seems that either unit can jump forward or backwards in the count. It's not consistent. At that point the loop is hosed and I have to start over. This effect can be audibly stunning and would be great if it was a feature included in a future OS version. The units are also prone to loosing sample level sync. I.E. - The start point of each unit drifts and creates a phase/delay effect that grows further apart with time Again, it sure sounds cool, I just want to have the option to choose it vs. having to live with it. ----------------------------------------------- Troubleshooting steps I have pursued thus far that have resulted in no change in performance. (The focus being on the loss of cycle number sync): - Swapped the units master/slave configuration (master becomes slave and vice versa). - Replaced the midi cable between the units 2 times. - Followed Kim's recommendations from the web site regarding stereo units (BrotherSync cable type, unit parameter resets etc). - Replaced the BrotherSync cable. The brand new BrotherSync cables I've been using have the shield soldered to each end's jack (a possible ground loop..?). - Removed the BrotherSync cable from both units (Admittedly, this may be a completely bogus test). - Tried the other foot controller I purchased with a new cable. Other Observations: It may be my imagination, but it seems like one of the units kind of - thunks - when I power it on, like a relay in the power supply is engaging. This goes away with multiple power cyclings. I do not notice this behavior on the other unit. Also, the sync problem seems to come after about 5 minutes of operation, but this is not consistent. Sometimes it fails right away. When I use the Insert switch to do Reverse, the switch acts unstable. I.E. - Insert will happen somewhat unpredictably while reversing the loop back and forth. I assume that a long press of the switch is what should cause a Insert when it is in this mode. What I get is, sometimes it does and sometimes it does not insert, with no stable pattern of behavior. Is this a unit problem or just as likely user error? And finally, I assume that the - err - condition on stereo BrotherSynced units is normal on the first unit until the other is powered up as well. Once they are both up, the error status clears and they both appear to come up normally, as if they are waiting to establish communication before continuing to boot up. Please clarify this for me. ----------------------------------------------- I did talk at length with Shane at Gibson before I wrote this. He admitted to having very little to no experience with stereo units and their related syncing issues. He suggested that I email you (Kim Flint) directly with these concerns and to let him know what you have to say. I really like what I've been able to do with the EDP's in their limited state and pray that you can help out a fellow looping enthusiast....! Thank You, Philip Rampi-Green prgconsulting@prodigy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 21:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18794; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.42.94.154] From: "Saybolt" To: "Main Identity" Subject: Seeking enlightenment Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:54:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C07A7E.67BA3B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2001 02:55:05.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC163A60:01C07AB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C07A7E.67BA3B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Long time hand percussionist, new to looping...seeking patience and = enlightenment. Goal: Accompany live house dj(vinyl) with following abilities: either = one mic used for different hand drums, or multiple mics respectively, = ability to add effects to drums, have multiple loop samples playing = simultaneously, manipulate effects which are on existing loops, piping = all output through dj's mixer so he/she can manipulate the hand drum's = presence. =20 My research has brought me to the JamMan, Boomerang, and the = Echoplex. My main concern is that this is all going to be happening = extremely fast and live, and with percussion vs. guitars. Is there one = more suitable? Know of any available JamMan's(sorry, had to ask=3D)? Additionally, I am a little uncertain as to the most efficient way to = set the connections to best facilitate me. Must I run from mic to mixer = to Looping device via Aux Send then back to Mixer channels?(then into = dj's mixer) When is the best time to add effects?=20 I'm getting mixed messages from people I consult as most are unsure; = others are trying to sell me extremely expensive mixers with multiple = Aux Send ports I'm not sure are necessary. I have and will continue to = read archived info, but need to take some important first steps. I sincerely appreciate any guidance/direction you may provide- Take care, Saybolt=20 Feel free to respond directly to: JWSaybolt@hotmail.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C07A7E.67BA3B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Long time hand percussionist, new = to=20 looping...seeking patience and enlightenment.
 
Goal:  Accompany live house = dj(vinyl)=20 with following abilities:  either one mic = used for different hand=20 drums, or multiple mics respectively, ability to add effects to drums, = have=20 multiple loop samples playing simultaneously, manipulate effects = which=20 are on existing loops, piping all output through dj's mixer = so he/she=20 can manipulate the hand drum's presence.  
    My research has brought me to the = JamMan,=20 Boomerang, and the Echoplex.  My main concern is that this is all = going to=20 be happening extremely fast and live, and with percussion vs. = guitars.  Is=20 there one more suitable?  Know of any available JamMan's(sorry, had = to=20 ask=3D)?
Additionally, I am a little uncertain as to the most = efficient=20 way to set the connections to best facilitate me.  Must I run from = mic to=20 mixer to Looping device via Aux Send then back to Mixer channels?(then = into dj's=20 mixer) When is the best time to add effects?
    I'm getting mixed messages from = people I=20 consult as most are unsure;  others are trying to sell me = extremely expensive mixers with multiple Aux Send ports I'm not sure are = necessary.  I have and will continue to read archived info, but = need to=20 take some important first steps.
    I sincerely appreciate any=20 guidance/direction you may provide-
 
    Take care, Saybolt
Feel free to respond directly to: JWSaybolt@hotmail.com
   
 
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C07A7E.67BA3B60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 22:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19750; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:11:52 -0800 Subject: Re: stereo [unreleased products] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's been my experience that products always sound better until they are >heard. It's a little more complicated: 1) Pre-release: The Most Fabulous Object In The World!!!! I'll sell my old things so I have enough money to buy it RIGHT AWAY!!! 2) Immediately upon release: a) YES!! YES!!! YES!!! or b) Sounds like shit! I like the [ten/twenty year-old antecedent] much better. [Insert much talk of "warmth", "punch", "soft-clipping", and "natural" quality of sound--double bonus points if this refers to a ring modulator or anything with a germanium transistor in it] 3) 6-12 months after release: Eh...why doesn't it do this/that/the other/isn't it true stereo/upgradable to an hour of sampling time/allow real-time control of all parameters/half the price. My creative vision is so singular that it is nearly impossible to get any sound out of this thing. Bah. 4) 12 months-5 years after release: It's okay...I guess. Sort of limited. 5) 10 years down the road: Wow! Does anyone know where I can find one of those things? I just heard an album by so-and-so and he sounded amazing! It's got a really great low-fi/warm/punchy/musical/natural sound that you just can't get out of today's gear. And it's got to be one of the early ones--they changed something in the later ones and they sound really harsh and cold. I'd pay twice what they went for new! Maybe if I could find two, then I'd be in stereo... TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 22:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20155; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:27:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:27:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01c07ab4$f7bb67d0$dcaf1618@C961485B> From: "maugli" To: References: Subject: Re: stereo [unreleased products] Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:25:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "maugli" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL amen to that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 08:11 PM Subject: Re: stereo [unreleased products] > > >It's been my experience that products always sound better until they are > >heard. > > It's a little more complicated: > > 1) Pre-release: > The Most Fabulous Object In The World!!!! I'll sell my old things so I have > enough money to buy it RIGHT AWAY!!! > > 2) Immediately upon release: > a) YES!! YES!!! YES!!! > or > b) Sounds like shit! I like the [ten/twenty year-old antecedent] much > better. [Insert much talk of "warmth", "punch", "soft-clipping", and > "natural" quality of sound--double bonus points if this refers to a ring > modulator or anything with a germanium transistor in it] > > 3) 6-12 months after release: > Eh...why doesn't it do this/that/the other/isn't it true stereo/upgradable > to an hour of sampling time/allow real-time control of all parameters/half > the price. My creative vision is so singular that it is nearly impossible > to get any sound out of this thing. Bah. > > 4) 12 months-5 years after release: > It's okay...I guess. Sort of limited. > > 5) 10 years down the road: > Wow! Does anyone know where I can find one of those things? I just heard > an album by so-and-so and he sounded amazing! It's got a really great > low-fi/warm/punchy/musical/natural sound that you just can't get out of > today's gear. And it's got to be one of the early ones--they changed > something in the later ones and they sound really harsh and cold. I'd pay > twice what they went for new! Maybe if I could find two, then I'd be in > stereo... > > > TH > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 9 23:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21801; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5BEB33.36EE@hevanet.com.> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:55:14 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop termination question! References: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> <3A5A15E6.1DFF@hevanet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "A re-submission - attention EDP experts!" On page 4-52 of the EDP User's Guide: "If you're recording, NextLoop will terminate recording but will not advance you to the next loop." It's not working that way for me. AutoRecord is on. NextLoop gets me there, I dub, and then, instead of NextLoop simply terminating recording, I'm sent on to the NEXT loop to start recording THERE. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, but its 'second function' of termination isn't happening. Thanks for any sound advice, like maybe a parameter I need to adjust to achieve termination w/NextLoop? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 00:47:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23188; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:43:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c07ac8$5fd4bfc0$885d1440@being> From: "Philip Rampi-Green" To: Subject: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:44:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4Mk-NC.A.xpF.wY_W6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello ALL, First off, thanks Kim for this incredible resource and all of your gracious time and efforts. Thank you as well to everyone on this list for your contributions to my looping knowledge. I have been reading the archives for many months and have refrained from comment/contribution until this moment. Apologies for the long post..... I know Kim is extremely busy, so I chose to share this with all of you in hopes of resolving these issues ASAP. The following is a updated (1/9/01) version of what I sent to Kim last week (1/3/01): I have a pair of Gibson EDP's (sn's: 89 & 91..? w/16MB of RAM in each) that I purchased last spring. Both units went back to Gibson pretty much immediately after arrival for repairs, including CPU clock crystal replacement to fix intermittent booting problems and input/output gain balancing between the two units. The repair was done by the way cool EDP Guru - Shane Radke - himself. The units came back ready for action with one annoying exception. The 2 units (configured for stereo) would intermittently loose sync with each other while switching between loops (LoopCount was set to 4 at that time). The problem was fairly infrequent and I was not really sure if I had all of the stereo parameters set correctly on both units, so I lived with it. As I am gaining experience with the EDP's, I am using more of the edit functions and have found that this - annoyance - has now become unworkable. The units frequently loose sync during NextLoop and Insert functions. What I mean by loosing sync is that as I execute these functions, the cycles of the loop I'm either stepping to (NextLoop) or working on (Insert), loose step with each other. I.E. - One unit is on cycle 4 while the other is on cycle 5. It seems that either unit can jump forward or backwards in the count. It's not consistent. At that point the loop is hosed and I have to start over. This effect can be audibly stunning and would be great if it was a feature included in a future OS version. The units are also prone to loosing sample level sync. I.E. - The start point of each unit drifts and creates a phase/delay effect that grows further apart with time Again, it sure sounds cool, I just want to have the option to choose it vs. having to live with it. ----------------------------------------------- Troubleshooting steps I have pursued thus far that have resulted in no change in performance. (The focus being on the loss of cycle number sync): - Swapped the units master/slave configuration (master becomes slave and vice versa). - Replaced the midi cable between the units 2 times. - Followed Kim's recommendations from the web site regarding stereo units (BrotherSync cable type, unit parameter resets etc). - Replaced the BrotherSync cable. The brand new BrotherSync cables I've been using have the shield soldered to each end's jack (a possible ground loop..?). - Removed the BrotherSync cable from both units (Admittedly, this may be a completely bogus test). - Tried the other foot controller I purchased with a new cable. - Floated the ground on both unit's power cables. Other Observations: It may be my imagination, but it seems like one of the units kind of - thunks - when I power it on, like a relay in the power supply is engaging. This goes away with multiple power cyclings. I do not notice this behavior on the other unit. Also, the sync problem seems to come after about 5 minutes of operation, but this is not consistent. Sometimes it fails right away. When I use the Insert switch to do Reverse, the switch acts unstable. I.E. - Insert will happen somewhat unpredictably while reversing the loop back and forth. I assume that a long press of the switch is what should cause a Insert when it is in this mode. What I get is, sometimes it does and sometimes it does not insert, with no stable pattern of behavior. Is this a unit problem or just as likely user error? And finally, I assume that the - err - condition on stereo BrotherSynced units is normal on the first unit until the other is powered up as well. Once they are both up, the error status clears and they both appear to come up normally, as if they are waiting to establish communication before continuing to boot up. Please clarify this for me. ----------------------------------------------- I did talk at length with Shane at Gibson before I wrote this. He admitted to having very little to no experience with stereo units and their related syncing issues. He suggested that I email you (Kim Flint) directly with these concerns and to let him know what you have to say. I really like what I've been able to do with the EDP's in their limited state and pray that you can help out a fellow looping enthusiast....! Thank You, Philip Rampi-Green prgconsulting@prodigy.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 01:11:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24137; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:03:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: tri.tran@baesystems.com Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:00:58 -0600 Subject: Question about Boomerang Plus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07ACA.B3F5B260" Resent-Message-ID: <1G72P.A.Y4F.aq_W6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07ACA.B3F5B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can someone tell me if the Boomerang Plus come with 4 megs memory and version 2 microprocessor. The reason I asked is because I just bought the Boomerang Plus and it only records 21 seconds (using the default setting). Thanks Tri Tran ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07ACA.B3F5B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question about Boomerang Plus

Can someone tell me if the Boomerang = Plus come with 4 megs memory and version 2 microprocessor.  The = reason I asked is because I just bought the Boomerang Plus and it only = records 21 seconds (using the default setting).

Thanks

Tri Tran

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07ACA.B3F5B260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 01:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24897; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:47:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:47:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010109224708.00b1e7c0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:47:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... In-Reply-To: <003501c07ac8$5fd4bfc0$885d1440@being> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speak of the devil... :-) just recently borrowed a friend's edp to do some stereo stuff, & many of these same symptoms occured, primarily the drifting out of phase bit. this was most notable when the slave EDP would sometimes display the 3 'dots' indicating it is waiting for then next cycle to start some operation, even though quantize is off. also tried different trs cables, confirmed all the midi params were set the same w/ sync out on both units, etc. any way to diagnose this problem Kim? is there any point to putting a scope on the BrotherSync signal? if so, what would we look for? thanks, dan ps- any chance you could convince Gibson to release schematics for the EDP, in leau of a service manual? ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 03:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26730; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:40:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:40:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c07ae1$0fe3ee00$a389e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: re: Battery Powered suggestions Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:40:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C07A9D.FE1DE4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C07A9D.FE1DE4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg S wrote: Instead of doubling up on gear, consider getting a = rechargeable "marine" or RV battery. I saw a small electric band playing at an outdoor festival = last year and they claimed that for under $300 you can get a setup that = includes battery, charger, converters, and whatever else you may need. Thanks, Greg, that's a great idea. Unfortunately, our local police = department are on the warpath about amplified music on the mall, so I am = trying to get a setup going where I can drape a piece of cloth over my = footpedals and literally, sit on top of the battery powered amplifier = (with a cloth covering it) and appear to have no amplification at all. = I'm even considering using a lavalier microphone so that nohing is = visible to the nake eye but the found objects that I will be playing. I then plan to keep the actual volume down to a basic busking acoustic = level and present=20 abstract looping electronica to the unsuspecting masses. My CDs are = selling really well locally and I know that people would probably get a = kick out such an unusual street performer. Thanks for your response, though. yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C07A9D.FE1DE4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg S wrote:  Instead of doubling up on gear, consider = getting a=20 rechargeable "marine" or
RV battery.  I saw a small electric = band=20 playing at an outdoor festival last
year and they claimed that for = under $300=20 you can get a setup that includes
battery, charger, converters, and = whatever=20 else you may need.

Thanks, Greg,  that's a great idea.   = Unfortunately, our=20 local police department are on the warpath about amplified music on the = mall, so=20 I am trying to get a setup going where I can drape a piece of cloth over = my=20 footpedals and literally, sit on top of the battery powered amplifier = (with a=20 cloth covering it) and appear to have no amplification at all.  I'm = even=20 considering using a lavalier microphone so that nohing is visible to the = nake=20 eye but the found objects that I will be playing.
I then plan to keep the actual volume down to a basic busking = acoustic=20 level and present
abstract looping electronica to the unsuspecting = masses.   =20 My CDs are selling really well locally and I know that people would = probably get=20 a kick out such an unusual street performer.
 
Thanks for your response, though.    =20 yours,   Rick Walker = (Loop.pooL)
------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C07A9D.FE1DE4C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 07:52:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31105; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:49:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:49:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c07b03$98579990$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Re: Seeking enlightenment Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:48:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C07B0B.F9AF8420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C07B0B.F9AF8420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saybolt, if you're using mics as signal sources, you won't get around using a = mixer. As to the looper to choose, everything we heard suggests the = soon-to-be-released (?) Electrix Repeater. The best time to add effects = is normally after the looper, but if you're short on effects (most = people are), it also makes sense to loop signals with effects already = added. Depending on how many effects (and which looper) you're using, there are = different "optimum solutions". Using the repeater (which offers four ins = and four outs), I'd suggest (using three effectors): Microphones into = small mixer (i.e. Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro), the Alt 3/4 bus to the repeater = (ins 1&2), the repeater outs 3&4 used with a stereo/twin mono effect = (i.e. Ensoniq DP2), the outs 1&2 sent to the mixer, the other effects = fed by the auxes (say, a vortex and another weird thing) and returned to = the mixer, and the entire mix to the dj console. This way, you can = connect four microphones (mixer channels 1-4), the repeater (stereo = channel 5/6), and the two effects (7/8 and 9/10). Any source = (microphones and the effects fed by the auxes) can be looped, the loop = can be processed by the DP2, and any audio source (including the loops) = can be processed by the two other effects. And you still have one stereo = channel available, so the DJ can send you his output, which you can in = turn include in your sonic madness. Anything is sent to the repeater via = the Mute/Alt buttons, and can still be present in your main outs or not = (assignable). Of course, this works with other loopers too, I use a DL4 in a similair = configuration with a larger console. Feel free to ask if you've got any = questions left... Rainer Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C07B0B.F9AF8420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Saybolt,
 
if you're using mics as signal = sources, you=20 won't get around using a mixer. As to the looper to choose, everything = we heard=20 suggests the soon-to-be-released (?) Electrix Repeater. The best time to = add=20 effects is normally after the looper, but if you're short on effects = (most=20 people are), it also makes sense to loop signals with effects already=20 added.
 
Depending on how many effects (and = which looper)=20 you're using, there are different "optimum solutions". Using = the=20 repeater (which offers four ins and four outs), I'd suggest (using three = effectors): Microphones into small mixer (i.e. Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro), the = Alt 3/4=20 bus to the repeater (ins 1&2), the repeater outs 3&4 used with a = stereo/twin mono effect (i.e. Ensoniq DP2), the outs 1&2 sent to the = mixer,=20 the other effects fed by the auxes (say, a vortex and another weird = thing) and=20 returned to the mixer, and the entire mix to the dj console. This way, = you can=20 connect four microphones (mixer channels 1-4), the repeater (stereo = channel=20 5/6), and the two effects (7/8 and 9/10). Any source (microphones and = the=20 effects fed by the auxes) can be looped, the loop can be processed by = the DP2,=20 and any audio source (including the loops) can be processed by the two = other=20 effects. And you still have one stereo channel available, so the DJ can = send you=20 his output, which you can in turn include in your sonic madness. = Anything is=20 sent to the repeater via the Mute/Alt buttons, and can still be present = in your=20 main outs or not (assignable).
 
Of course, this works with other = loopers too, I=20 use a DL4 in a similair configuration with a larger console. Feel free = to ask if=20 you've got any questions left...
 
          &nbs= p;=20 Rainer
 
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C07B0B.F9AF8420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 10:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02153; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:04:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:04:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Conley" Subject: Fuzzy EDP sound as LED fades To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Group. I'm new to the list. I'm a guitarist who uses my newly aquired EDP for backing sound and backing for improvising. I have had a couple of jamman's in the past but people kept throwing lots of money at me for them, and I gave in. My question is about my EDP. I notice that when recording and playing back the initial loop it is quite noisy. There is a digital fuzzy sound as the feedback LED fades. If the feedback LED is not on and the loop is quiet it is fine. I'm not overloading the signal on either ends. The distortion sounds quite digital. I don't know if an audience would hear it but my ears are pretty decent and I don't have to strive to hear the noise. It does have Loop 5 installed on it. Any ideas? I thought perhaps it is bad RAM chips. Chris Conley conleycd@mcmaster.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 13:58:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07539; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:51:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Admjeffson@aol.com Message-ID: <39.f11706b.278e08ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:49:16 EST Subject: Pefftronics To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi There, Does anyone know where I can get a Pefftronics Rand O Matic pedal from? Thanks. Adam Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 14:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08555; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:14:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:14:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5CB3B2.6CBF7594@puma.att.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:10:43 -0500 From: Mike Hunter Reply-To: mhunter@puma.mt.att.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pefftronics References: <39.f11706b.278e08ac@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------777F3F970A58D7E07426C842" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------777F3F970A58D7E07426C842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know where to get one, but there is a page that has some demo sounds. http://www.tonefrenzy.com/pefftronics_super_randomatic.htm Wild stuff man, wild! -- Mike Hunter Data Analyst/System Engineer I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv IBM Global Services/AT&T SDI Project AT&T R&D South Admjeffson@aol.com wrote: > Hi There, > > Does anyone know where I can get a Pefftronics Rand O Matic pedal from? > > Thanks. > > Adam Evans --------------777F3F970A58D7E07426C842 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mhunter.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Hunter Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mhunter.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hunter;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://puma.att.com/~mhunter org:IBM Global Services: AT&T SDI Project;Data Quality Lead-Systems Engineer version:2.1 email;internet:mihunter@us.ibm.com title:I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv note:(732)-420-1096 adr;quoted-printable:;;B5-2A06=0D=0AAT&T R&D South=0D=0A200 Laurel Ave.=0D=0A;Middletown;NJ;07742;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Mike Hunter end:vcard --------------777F3F970A58D7E07426C842-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 14:57:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09659; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:53:16 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: EDP record/mute question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA09617 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just end your record by tapping mute instead of record... -m >>> klowy@wrinklemuzik.com 01/10/01 11:50AM >>> does anyone know of a way (using the footswitch) to record a loop and when finished (tapping record) automatically have it muted. i know this can be done using a volume pedal, but i want to avoid that. i've run into a live situation where this is necessary. thanmks, klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 15:04:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09541; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:52:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: klowy@pop.wrinklemuzik.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:50:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kenn lowy Subject: EDP record/mute question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know of a way (using the footswitch) to record a loop and when finished (tapping record) automatically have it muted. i know this can be done using a volume pedal, but i want to avoid that. i've run into a live situation where this is necessary. thanmks, klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 15:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10579; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:05:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c07b41$4879b3c0$1bb96fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <010001c07ae1$0fe3ee00$a389e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:07:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07B30.3999C7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07B30.3999C7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you busked before using loops? How's it gone down with the punters? Anyone else with busking anecdotes? Gareth Unfortunately, our local police department are on the warpath about = amplified music on the mall, so I am trying to get a setup going where I = can drape a piece of cloth over my footpedals and literally, sit on top = of the battery powered amplifier (with a cloth covering it) and appear = to have no amplification at all. I'm even considering using a lavalier = microphone so that nohing is visible to the nake eye but the found = objects that I will be playing. I then plan to keep the actual volume down to a basic busking acoustic = level and present=20 abstract looping electronica to the unsuspecting masses. My CDs are = selling really well locally and I know that people would probably get a = kick out such an unusual street performer. 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Have you busked before using = loops?
How's it gone down with the = punters?
Anyone else with busking = anecdotes?
 
Gareth
 
Unfortunately, our local police department are on the warpath = about=20 amplified music on the mall, so I am trying to get a setup going where = I can=20 drape a piece of cloth over my footpedals and literally, sit on top of = the=20 battery powered amplifier (with a cloth covering it) and appear to = have no=20 amplification at all.  I'm even considering using a lavalier = microphone=20 so that nohing is visible to the nake eye but the found objects that I = will be=20 playing.
I then plan to keep the actual volume down to a basic busking = acoustic=20 level and present
abstract looping electronica to the unsuspecting=20 masses.    My CDs are selling really well locally and I = know=20 that people would probably get a kick out such an unusual street=20 performer.
 
Thanks for your response, though.    =20 yours,   Rick Walker=20 (Loop.pooL)
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C07B30.3999C7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 15:21:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10578; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:05:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:05:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c07b41$499eabc0$1bb96fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Seeking enlightenment Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:24:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C07B32.844D17C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C07B32.844D17C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've been looping a ghanaian earthenware pot, a 14" djenmbe and a = dried bean shaker recently and despite the fact that they vary greatly = in volume, (the djembe is molto fortissimo) I use the same mic on a boom = stand for the lot to good effect. I just move the mic closer to the pot = than the big drum. So i'd reccommend getting a physically small mixer = like a soundcraft spirit witht nice quiet pre amps in it, (You only need = a couple of effects sends). Try your rig using one mic and if it don't = work buy another! Just being able to swing the mic out of the way is = nice and simple for me I dont want mic stands all over the place. Also = if your getting feedback you know which mic it is 'cause there's only = one. I've got my mic on a footswitch plugged into an insert so I can = knock it off too. Do what you suggest below in terms of the patching of = the system. Adding effects though - well -experiment! Gareth Goal: Accompany live house dj(vinyl) with following abilities: = either one mic used for different hand drums, or multiple mics = respectively, ability to add effects to drums, have multiple loop = samples playing simultaneously, manipulate effects which are on existing = loops, piping all output through dj's mixer so he/she can manipulate the = hand drum's presence. =20 My research has brought me to the JamMan, Boomerang, and the = Echoplex. My main concern is that this is all going to be happening = extremely fast and live, and with percussion vs. guitars. Is there one = more suitable? Know of any available JamMan's(sorry, had to ask=3D)? Additionally, I am a little uncertain as to the most efficient way to = set the connections to best facilitate me. Must I run from mic to mixer = to Looping device via Aux Send then back to Mixer channels?(then into = dj's mixer) When is the best time to add effects?=20 I'm getting mixed messages from people I consult as most are = unsure; others are trying to sell me extremely expensive mixers with = multiple Aux Send ports I'm not sure are necessary. I have and will = continue to read archived info, but need to take some important first = steps. I sincerely appreciate any guidance/direction you may provide- Take care, Saybolt=20 Feel free to respond directly to: JWSaybolt@hotmail.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C07B32.844D17C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I've been looping a ghanaian = earthenware=20 pot, a 14" djenmbe and a dried bean shaker recently and despite the = fact that=20 they vary greatly in volume, (the djembe is molto fortissimo) I = use the=20 same mic on a boom stand for the lot to good effect. I = just=20 move the mic closer to the pot than the big drum. So i'd = reccommend=20 getting a physically small mixer like a soundcraft spirit witht nice = quiet pre=20 amps in it, (You only need a couple of effects sends). Try your rig = using one=20 mic and if it don't work buy another! Just being able to swing the mic = out of=20 the way is nice and simple for me I dont want mic stands all over the = place.=20 Also if your getting feedback you know which mic it is 'cause = there's=20 only one. I've got my mic on a footswitch plugged into an insert so I = can=20 knock it off too. Do what you suggest below in terms of the patching = of the=20 system. Adding effects though - well -experiment!
 
Gareth
 
Goal:  Accompany live house = dj(vinyl)=20 with following abilities:  either one mic = used for different=20 hand drums, or multiple mics respectively, ability to add effects to = drums,=20 have multiple loop samples playing simultaneously, manipulate = effects=20 which are on existing loops, piping all output through dj's mixer = so he/she can manipulate the hand drum's = presence.  =20
    My research has brought me to = the JamMan,=20 Boomerang, and the Echoplex.  My main concern is that this is all = going=20 to be happening extremely fast and live, and with percussion vs.=20 guitars.  Is there one more suitable?  Know of any available = JamMan's(sorry, had to ask=3D)?
Additionally, I am a little uncertain as to the = most=20 efficient way to set the connections to best facilitate me.  Must = I run=20 from mic to mixer to Looping device via Aux Send then back to Mixer=20 channels?(then into dj's mixer) When is the best time to add = effects?=20
    I'm getting mixed messages from = people I=20 consult as most are unsure;  others are trying to sell = me=20 extremely expensive mixers with multiple Aux Send ports I'm not sure = are=20 necessary.  I have and will continue to read archived info, but = need to=20 take some important first steps.
    I sincerely appreciate any=20 guidance/direction you may provide-
 
    Take care, Saybolt =
Feel free to respond directly to: JWSaybolt@hotmail.com
   
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C07B32.844D17C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 18:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15326; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:14:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:14:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5CEC4F.C876C013@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:12:15 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, tri.tran@baesystems.com Subject: Re: Question about Boomerang Plus References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone tell me if the Boomerang Plus come with 4 megs memory and version 2 microprocessor. The reason I asked is because I just bought the Boomerang Plus and it only records 21 seconds (using the default setting). Thanks Tri Tran ================================================================= Yikes! It's the 1Mbyte SIMM mixed in with the 4Mbyte SIMM's problem. This is embarrassing, but easily rectified. I'll send you a new 4Mbyte SIMM. Please contact me privately so I may learn your complete mailing address. The Rang Plus (V2) records for 1 min 27 sec on normal speed (24KHz sampling rate) when it has the 4M SIMM installed. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 19:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17039; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:33:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:33:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5CFF0D.F1CD690@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:32:13 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP record/mute question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6AXsfC.A.5JE.37PX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > does anyone know of a way (using the footswitch) to record a loop and > when finished (tapping record) automatically have it muted. i know > this can be done using a volume pedal, but i want to avoid that. > > i've run into a live situation where this is necessary. With a Boomerang Phrase Sampler you tap RECORD to start recording and tap PLAY/STOP to conclude recording but play nothing. Your loop is ready for playback, but no sound will be heard until you press PLAY again. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 10 19:45:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17096; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5CFC6A.36DF564E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:20:58 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question about Boomerang Plus References: <3A5CEC4F.C876C013@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Boomerangs about to ship come with 4 megs and are a version 2. We should have them in about 10 days, $475 plus shipping Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > Can someone tell me if the Boomerang Plus come with 4 megs memory and > version 2 microprocessor. The reason I asked is because I just bought > the > Boomerang Plus and it only records 21 seconds (using the default > setting). > > Thanks > > Tri Tran > > ================================================================= > > Yikes! It's the 1Mbyte SIMM mixed in with the 4Mbyte SIMM's problem. > This is embarrassing, but easily rectified. I'll send you a new 4Mbyte > SIMM. Please contact me privately so I may learn your complete mailing > address. > The Rang Plus (V2) records for 1 min 27 sec on normal speed (24KHz > sampling rate) when it has the 4M SIMM installed. > > -- > > Mike Nelson > > Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 > PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 04:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27190; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:54:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:54:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Alexander Ryan To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <22cab20cfb.20cfb22cab@rsad.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:52:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Akai S-20 X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anybody out there have any experience using the sequencer in the akai s-20 sampler? The manual is almost useless, as it describes no way to lay out sequences except in using the pads in real time. thanks for the help.... Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 04:39:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28442; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:34:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:34:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:32:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP record/mute question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:53 AM -0800 1/10/01, Mike Biffle wrote: >Just end your record by tapping mute instead of record... > >-m > >>>> klowy@wrinklemuzik.com 01/10/01 11:50AM >>> >does anyone know of a way (using the footswitch) to record a loop and >when finished (tapping record) automatically have it muted. i know >this can be done using a volume pedal, but i want to avoid that. > >i've run into a live situation where this is necessary. One of the fundamental concepts under the echoplex user interface is that a function can be ended by starting another. This reduces the amount of button pushing required and gets you from one place to another much faster. When a function is running, you can see what other functions are immediately available because their LED will be green. The function that is running will have it's LED red. In some cases you have special functions that are only available when another function is going. We call these "cross-functions". Whenever such a thing is available, the LED under that button is orange. This is to indicate that it does something different in that situation. (For example, if you have mute on, you will see that the Insert LED is orange. Tapping Insert from in mute is the trigger and stuttering function instead of Insert.) This cross-function thing can seem confusing at first, but it is really necessary for keeping all of the functions contained in a realistically playable number of buttons. If everything had it's own button there would be way too many! Whenver we can, we make the cross-function button the one that seems most obvious and intuitive, based on how the normal function relates to the cross-function. For example, ending a record with the second tap of the Record button stops recording and immediately starts looping. So what happens if you have Multiply going and end it by tapping Record? It stops the multiply and immediately starts looping what you've got up to that point! (instead of rounding off to the end of the multiple cycle, as would normally happen with a second multiply press....). This is a fun cross-function and a simple way to get non-integer multiplies. Let the LED colors help and guide you. Green = normal function available Red = function is running Orange = special function available. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 08:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32307; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [140.192.162.35] From: "tony echos" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai S-20 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:28:28 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 13:28:28.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[61E155C0:01C07BD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com uhh. the only way to seq. on the s20 is REALTIME. there is no quantize or step, or loop based recording... sorry, it is a pretty lame seq. but for your money the sample sounds great and is inexpensive to expand! tony >From: Alexander Ryan >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Akai S-20 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:52:39 -0500 > >Does anybody out there have any experience using the sequencer in the >akai s-20 sampler? The manual is almost useless, as it describes no way >to lay out sequences except in using the pads in real time. > >thanks for the help.... > >Alex > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 10:25:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02158; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:19:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:19:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: EDP undo question Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:14:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <90qXD.A.Yh.x6cX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- Should I have to press undo twice on my EDP to get the undo function to work? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 11:32:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03805; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:28:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) In-Reply-To: <000201c07b41$4879b3c0$1bb96fd4@y5w2s5> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5J21ED.A.N7.n7dX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hot damn... I've been wanting to busk for years, but continually agonizing over what and how... You've just convinced me not to sell my DL-4. I recently had a party during which I broke out my looping gear and had some 'existential poetry kareoke" during which I stuck a mic in the mixer and a friend whipped out his flute and notebook. We proceeded to 'kick it beatnik style'. We were all a bit too drunk for it to sound like anything decent, but it was fun incorporating voices and such into the loop. I think something similar might go down well on the streets... 'Sample the Crowd' as it were... Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 11:40:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03991; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:34:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:32:47 -0600 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: The Honorable Mr. Torn..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just got the new issue of CMJ NEW MUSIC MONTHLY and who should be on page 15 - Mr. David Torn (billed as Splattercell's David Torn). it's a short article on the various odd string instruments he utilizes to crerate his sonic textures. i'd just like to say thanx to Mr. Torn for being as accesible as he is on this list. he is an endless source of inspiration to those of us who hate doing things by the book, sonically speaking. and it's damn cool to see him getting some props in a magazine (Collaborators call Torn the most sampled guy on the planet, nextto James Brown.) there's an idea Torn producing James Brown! i've been a fan since "Clouds About Mecury" stay weird, traig "...when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 11:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04740; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:52:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EB3@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good man noah! busking is an art to be made. depending on where you busk. i have busked in may of the larger cities: seattle, austin, new york, philly, pittsburgh etc. watch for permits, cops and thief's. otherwise dig in and have a blast. busking is indeed the front line of venues. also i've made some decent money busking. the most came fro seattle. most of my busking was done with out looping tools. your dl4 has a battery compartment as you know. they don't last too long but they work. also the fender passport has an optional battery pack that has a decent life span. best wishes, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: noah [mailto:fishmong@braincramp.org] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Hot damn... I've been wanting to busk for years, but continually agonizing over what and how... You've just convinced me not to sell my DL-4. I recently had a party during which I broke out my looping gear and had some 'existential poetry kareoke" during which I stuck a mic in the mixer and a friend whipped out his flute and notebook. We proceeded to 'kick it beatnik style'. We were all a bit too drunk for it to sound like anything decent, but it was fun incorporating voices and such into the loop. I think something similar might go down well on the streets... 'Sample the Crowd' as it were... Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 12:44:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06071; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <102465.41@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:35:14 -0500 From: tapehiss <102465.41@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Sender: tapehiss <102465.41@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200101111235_MC2-C165-DF01@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05983 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any thoughts on how the weather might affect this (eg. how cold is too cold for gear?) over & out scott -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " good man noah! busking is an art to be made. depending on where you busk. i have busked in may of the larger cities: seattle, austin, new york, philly, pittsburgh etc. watch for permits, cops and thief's. otherwise dig in and have a blast. busking is indeed the front line of venues. also i've made some decent money busking. the most came fro seattle. most of my busking was done with out looping tools. your dl4 has a battery compartment as you know. they don't last too long but they work. also the fender passport has an optional battery pack that has a decent life span. best wishes, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: noah [mailto:fishmong@braincramp.org] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Hot damn... I've been wanting to busk for years, but continually agonizing over what and how... You've just convinced me not to sell my DL-4. I recently had a party during which I broke out my looping gear and had some 'existential poetry kareoke" during which I stuck a mic in the mixer and a friend whipped out his flute and notebook. We proceeded to 'kick it beatnik style'. We were all a bit too drunk for it to sound like anything decent, but it was fun incorporating voices and such into the loop. I think something similar might go down well on the streets... 'Sample the Crowd' as it were... Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? -><- ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id LAA27102; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04732; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EB3@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 12:54:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06388; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c07bf6$9804da40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <200101111235_MC2-C165-DF01@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:47:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4El6KB.A.ohB.eGfX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know cold batteries dont give as much juice and don't last as long- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "tapehiss" <102465.41@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) > Any thoughts on how the weather might affect this (eg. how cold is too cold > for gear?) > > over & out > > scott > > -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- > > Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > " > good man noah! busking is an art to be made. depending on where you busk. i > have busked in may of the larger cities: seattle, austin, new york, philly, > pittsburgh etc. watch for permits, cops and thief's. otherwise dig in and > have a blast. busking is indeed the front line of venues. also i've made > some decent money busking. the most came fro seattle. most of my busking > was > done with out looping tools. your dl4 has a battery compartment as you > know. > they don't last too long but they work. also the fender passport has an > optional battery pack that has a decent life span. > > best wishes, > jimmy george > > -----Original Message----- > From: noah [mailto:fishmong@braincramp.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:26 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) > > > > Hot damn... > > I've been wanting to busk for years, but continually agonizing over what > and how... You've just convinced me not to sell my DL-4. I recently had a > party during which I broke out my looping gear and had some 'existential > poetry kareoke" during which I stuck a mic in the mixer and a friend > whipped out his flute and notebook. We proceeded to 'kick it beatnik > style'. We were all a bit too drunk for it to sound like anything decent, > but it was fun incorporating voices and such into the loop. I think > something similar might go down well on the streets... 'Sample the Crowd' > as it were... > > Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I > know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for > quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? > > -><- > > > > > > ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- > Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) > by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id > LAA27102; > Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:31 -0500 (EST) > Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04732; > Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 > Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 > Old-Return-Path: > Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EB3@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> > From: Jimmy George > To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:17 -0600 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="windows-1252" > Resent-Message-ID: > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3215 > X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > " > > > -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 13:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07527; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:26:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:26:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: echoplex for sale... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <009c01c07bfb$de1aa5f0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01C07BD1.F5449DF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C07BD1.F5449DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all: I have my echoplex for sale at ebay. It's the EDP, 198 seconds, foot pedal, etc...No one has bid on it yet, and if someone makes a reasonable offer, I can pull the auction. The Pendulum SPS-1 I used with this is also on there, if someone wanted one of these. I need to sell them both so they are priced to move fast. Because of the price and because it's my personal gear, I wanted to mention it here because I know this stuff isn't floating around exactly.... Any more info needed, please drop me a note... Thanks! Doug Bonneville Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C07BD1.F5449DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I = have my=20 echoplex for sale at ebay. It's the EDP, 198 seconds, foot pedal, = etc...No one=20 has bid on it yet, and if someone makes a reasonable offer, I can pull = the=20 auction.
 
The = Pendulum SPS-1 I=20 used with this is also on there, if someone wanted one of these. I need = to sell=20 them both so they are priced to move fast.
 
Because = of the price=20 and because it's my personal gear, I wanted to mention it here because I = know=20 this stuff isn't floating around exactly....
 
Any = more info needed,=20 please drop me a note...
 
Thanks!
 
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------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C07BD1.F5449DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 14:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08898; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: echoplex for sale... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00c001c07c01$d2df8790$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C07BD7.EA097F90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0cIw4.A.QKC.KSgX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C07BD7.EA097F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all: I have my echoplex for sale at ebay. It's the EDP, 198 seconds, foot pedal, etc...No one has bid on it yet, and if someone makes a reasonable offer, I can pull the auction. The Pendulum SPS-1 I used with this is also on there, if someone wanted one of these. I need to sell them both so they are priced to move fast. Because of the price and because it's my personal gear, I wanted to mention it here because I know this stuff isn't floating around exactly.... Any more info needed, please drop me a note... Thanks! Doug Bonneville Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C07BD7.EA097F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 all:
 
I = have my=20 echoplex for sale at ebay. It's the EDP, 198 seconds, foot pedal, = etc...No one=20 has bid on it yet, and if someone makes a reasonable offer, I can pull = the=20 auction.
 
The = Pendulum SPS-1 I=20 used with this is also on there, if someone wanted one of these. I need = to sell=20 them both so they are priced to move fast.
 
Because = of the price=20 and because it's my personal gear, I wanted to mention it here because I = know=20 this stuff isn't floating around exactly....
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C07BD7.EA097F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 14:18:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08951; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:10:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:10:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: follow up on double post... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c07c02$1bd84130$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hit send on the repost I was attempting to do and it went out as HTML again. Sorry for this...I changed the loopers profile on Outlook to send plain text only and hit send, but it only applies to new messages, not resends. So, I corrected it and sent it again as plain text. I didn't mean to cause a hassle!!! Sorry!! Doug Bonneville Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 14:19:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08916; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:09:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:09:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: echoplex for sale... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c07c01$deb74c60$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all: I have my echoplex for sale at ebay. It's the EDP, 198 seconds, foot pedal, etc...No one has bid on it yet, and if someone makes a reasonable offer, I can pull the auction. The Pendulum SPS-1 I used with this is also on there, if someone wanted one of these. I need to sell them both so they are priced to move fast. Because of the price and because it's my personal gear, I wanted to mention it here because I know this stuff isn't floating around exactly.... Any more info needed, please drop me a note... Thanks! Doug Bonneville Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 14:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08905; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:09:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:09:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: html... Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00bf01c07c01$cbf18af0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've sent HTML messages to the group a few times and apologize. Not everyones reader can deal with it... I'm going to send my last post in plain text for the benefit of those that may be interested... Doug Bonneville Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 14:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09532; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EB8@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:19:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7vQD4B.A.ETC.zdgX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com weather ... depends on your gear. the passport when closed as it's suitcase outer self is weather proof (or so they say) i would say rain for all gear is out of the question. as for cold, your fingers will probably crap out before your gear does. i run my stuff through a johnson mil amp. i've had it in cold, 10 degrees, weather and hot (110 plus) weather and it has so far been very solid. best wishes to you! jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: tapehiss [mailto:102465.41@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:35 AM To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Any thoughts on how the weather might affect this (eg. how cold is too cold for gear?) over & out scott -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " good man noah! busking is an art to be made. depending on where you busk. i have busked in may of the larger cities: seattle, austin, new york, philly, pittsburgh etc. watch for permits, cops and thief's. otherwise dig in and have a blast. busking is indeed the front line of venues. also i've made some decent money busking. the most came fro seattle. most of my busking was done with out looping tools. your dl4 has a battery compartment as you know. they don't last too long but they work. also the fender passport has an optional battery pack that has a decent life span. best wishes, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: noah [mailto:fishmong@braincramp.org] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Hot damn... I've been wanting to busk for years, but continually agonizing over what and how... You've just convinced me not to sell my DL-4. I recently had a party during which I broke out my looping gear and had some 'existential poetry kareoke" during which I stuck a mic in the mixer and a friend whipped out his flute and notebook. We proceeded to 'kick it beatnik style'. We were all a bit too drunk for it to sound like anything decent, but it was fun incorporating voices and such into the loop. I think something similar might go down well on the streets... 'Sample the Crowd' as it were... Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? -><- ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id LAA27102; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04732; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EB3@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loop Busking (was re: Battery Powered etc...) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com " -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 15:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11881; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010111203938.68144.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP undo question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans, If you have overdubbed, and have listened to the overdub layer that you want to undo, then yes. Matthias answered this in the mail archives: http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200005/msg00270.html bret http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/BrotherSync/ http://www.mp3.com/brothersync --- Hans Lindauer wrote: > Hello all- > > Should I have to press undo twice on my EDP to get the undo function > to > work? > > -Hans > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 16:24:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12798; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <23.5ecf23b.278f7a8f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:07:27 EST Subject: to busk or not to busk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com perhaps im gettin too old...........this is the first time i have heard the word "busk"........would it be appropriate to wear a "will loop for food " tea-shirt whilst busking?........seriously, what is the origin of "busking"?.........also, the ken burns "JAZZ" series is playing on my public tele station, ten nites, close to 17-18 hours of very interesting well presented information, check it out, its nice...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 16:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13221; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3ECE@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: to busk or not to busk Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:26:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <_9sEtC.A.POD.OViX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure of the origin. the term has been around for a very long time though. any one else? -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: to busk or not to busk perhaps im gettin too old...........this is the first time i have heard the word "busk"........would it be appropriate to wear a "will loop for food " tea-shirt whilst busking?........seriously, what is the origin of "busking"?.........also, the ken burns "JAZZ" series is playing on my public tele station, ten nites, close to 17-18 hours of very interesting well presented information, check it out, its nice...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 16:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13176; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:25:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Brian O'Connell" To: Subject: Question about foreign power adaptors. Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c07c14$c12e48c0$1c053740@Brian> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought that some of the nice people on this list might be able to help me with a slight problem/concern that I've been having. I recently bought a Boss 660 drum machine off of a guy who's from Japan, and he originally bought it in Japan. So it's power is rated for Japanese current. It plugs into the American outlets fine (I'm a yank) and runs fine as well. My concern is that the machine gets rather warm and even hot after only a few minutes of use (10 minutes). I'm afraid that I'm going to blow it up one of these days. So does anyone know of an adaptor that will change American currant to Japanese currant? Or does anyone know the number for Roland or Boss customer service line I can call (I'm having a hard time getting in touch with them). The adaptor for the unit says: Input: AC 100V 50-60Hz Output: AC 12V 6VA What do you think? Any advice? Suggestions? Is it normal for the 660 to warm up this much? -Brian O'Connell chopper@unclesammy.com www.unclesammy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 16:37:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13460; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:35:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett Cc: Subject: Re: to busk or not to busk In-Reply-To: <23.5ecf23b.278f7a8f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > perhaps im gettin too old...........this is the first time i have heard the > word "busk"........would it be appropriate to wear a "will loop for food " > tea-shirt whilst busking?........seriously, what is the origin of > "busking"?.........also, the ken burns "JAZZ" series is playing on my public > tele station, ten nites, close to 17-18 hours of very interesting well > presented information, check it out, its nice...........michael You're not too old, you're too young. >From http://www.m-w.com/ : "Main Entry: busker Pronunciation: 'b&s-k&r Function: noun Etymology: busk, probably from Italian buscare to procure, gain, from Spanish buscar to look for Date: 1857 chiefly British : a person who entertains especially by playing music on the street - busk /'b&sk/ intransitive verb " I want to say the word is even older, but not having the OED lying around, this'll do for a start. best, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 16:48:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13789; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5E2877.67D03BC9@amazon.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:41:11 -0800 From: Doggy the 21th Organization: ham & treachery X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #14 References: <200101112132.QAA13323@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive always gone the middle eastern/tony conrad/john fahey route and just brought an acoustic and played lines over and over again ... by no means high tech but an experience none the less -m > Anyway, rambling aside, does anyone have experience/advice loopbusking? I > know a lot of you have been to Burning man, but how about looping for > quarters on the mean streets of (insert urban area here)? > > -><- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 17:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14878; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:22:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:22:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010111171411.00a24390@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:23:26 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: busk; busked; will busk, will have busked Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
to "busk"-
it's a old english-englishism.
buskers are street performers, who in a one-person presentation includ (but are not limited to):  comedy, song, spoons-playing, etc. - the the original "one-man-bands", and could be seen entertaining people who were "queued up" for the bus. (see "queue": to wait in an orderly, single-file line for a red double-decker in a constant drizzle.)

these days, "to busk" means you stand out of the wet in a tube tunnel (a subway station underpass) and sing "smells like teen spirit" while(st) flailing away on a battered harmony 6 string, also a time-honored tradition, now that i think about it...

while a "one man band" now requires at minimum an edp, boomerang and two headrushes; a gorilla amp and a buttload of stomp boxes.

plus ca change, baby...

a:c

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 18:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15461; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:53:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:53:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.139.13.182] From: "Christopher Garrett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:51:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 22:51:52.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[16B3EFF0:01C07C21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new to looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. Thanx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 18:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16566; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:27:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:25:47 -0800 Message-Id: <200101112325.PAA07244@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.191.162.157] From: "neil schau" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: to busk or not to busk Resent-Message-ID: <2ld8vC.A._BE.cEkX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >perhaps im gettin too old...........this is the first time i have heard the >word "busk"........would it be appropriate to wear a "will loop for food " >tea-shirt whilst busking?........seriously, what is the origin of >"busking The origin of busking? Who could really say it probably dates back further than most history books. I don't know about "will loop to busk" thats a little to close to panhandling instead of entertaining. If anyone out there has not busked I strongly suggest it. It's one step better than performing in a local club. I juggeled when I busked as opposed to playing music (with the exception of drums once and awhile) but it's the best way to entertain. It's a billion times more personal and involved than any set planned show could be. Anything can happen and it always does. Sorry for the ramble but doing shows for a crowd on a corner really was a high point for myself. Cheers Terje ------------------------------------------------------------ DragonSworn Free Email Services - http://www.dragonsworn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 18:59:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17169; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:51:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:51:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5E46ED.31BB4CE@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:51:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Busking References: <200101112132.QAA13324@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Oc7qC.A.WLE.zakX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now ya got me curious! Websters says: "chiefly British : a person who entertains especially by playing music on the street" and unusually gives an exact date for the origin of the word: 1857. I guess in 1856 it would have been "panhandling" (wait, gotta look that one up! ), but in 1857 there was a respectable new profession - busking! Aren't we lucky to live in modern times :) Elby > Subject: to busk or not to busk > > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:07:27 EST > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > perhaps im gettin too old...........this is the first time i have > heard the > word "busk"........would it be appropriate to wear a "will loop for > food " > tea-shirt whilst busking?........seriously, what is the origin of > "busking"?.........also, the ken burns "JAZZ" series is playing on my > public > tele station, ten nites, close to 17-18 hours of very interesting > well > presented information, check it out, its nice...........michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 19:13:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18059; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: halon@kc.rr.com Message-ID: <001b01c07c2b$e5c7fa20$7e281a41@kc.rr.com> To: Subject: Yamaha SU200 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:09:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9UL3HC.A.2ZE.vkkX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am being curious...... What do all of you think of the Yamaha SU200 sampler? I would like personal opinions and experiences rather than the several reviews I have read. _____________ Aaron halon@kc.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 19:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18434; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <79.ec125dc.278fa764@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:18:44 EST Subject: Re: busk; busked; will busk, will have busked To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <7NEbH.A.ufE.E2kX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 01-01-11 17:22:18 EST, you write: << it's a old english-englishism. >> a:c.......thanks!.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 19:48:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18681; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c07cc5$e9546e40$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:31:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_O0oOD.A.3iE.SDlX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I prefer the dl4. As the headrush has some hiss. And some hiss on top of 14 other pedals is to much. he he. And the dl4 not having the undo button to the original loop thing, makes you work harder to get it right the first time, cause you have to, cause there's no undo button. he he. And the dl4 has 2 outputs, i like going to a kaoss pad. he he. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Garrett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Headrush vs. DL4 > I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the > Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new to > looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the > Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like > that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. > > Thanx > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 20:48:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20432; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:39:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:38:16 -0600 (CST) From: Travis Salisbury To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Christopher Garrett wrote: > I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the > Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new to > looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the > Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like > that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. > I like the DL4 alot, 24 bit, 1/2 speed, overdub for the full memory length, delay with looper, all the other effects are extremely musical , it's dead quiet and it's built like a tank. travis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 21:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20543; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:47:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:47:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:48:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have both and there's no contest imo the DL-4 wins hands down. Yes the Akai can delete all except the first pass but the DL-4 has much longer loop time (28 secs max. with o/dub) Akai has 11 secs with O/dub, the DL-4 does 1/2 speed rec/playback and reverse plus it has some cool delays including one before the looper. The Akai just loops, nothing else. Also DL-4 has extensive pedal control. You will tire of the Akai very quickly, it's a one-trick box and not a very good trick at that. The DL-4 is great value and will keep you playing longer plus it sounds better. Martin Shellard > From: "Christopher Garrett" 52:20 -0500 > > I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the > Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new to > looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the > Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like > that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 21:02:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20654; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:51:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010112015113.286.qmail@web3306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: Antonio Loro Subject: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I've been researching what's available for loopers . I'm looking for a simple unit that's dedicated to making loops. This looks like the best source of information out there, teach me. I must begin to loop soon, I am growing old, there is little time. There seem to be a lot of multi-effects units like the Line6 DL4 that also do a little looping, but since I've already got effects, I want to minimize redundancy. I also see units like the Zoom ST-224 that look more involved, more geared to DJ-type stuff and less geared to off-the-cuff real-time looping (i.e. harder to use for these purposes than the Boomerang). I just want to be able to loop and overdub layers of different parts. (I am a vocalist and a guitarist and whatever else my whim leads me to.) The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. So far I've been unsuccessful in finding the answer to my question, so I ask you: What other dedicated looping units are competing with the Boomerang? Similar recording time, similar ease of use, similar price? Better sound quality? etc. It's strange, but I can't seem to find anything that competes with the Boomerang on its own turf. I'd be delighted if you informed me of my ignorance. Oh, one last thing. In my travels, I came across a site www.reedkotler.com that sells what look like quite useful tools for transcribing music. They also happen to be able to loop (maybe it deserves inclusion in the Loopers' Delight page). Now, if only it could overdub, and maybe a couple of footswitches... Thanks, see ya. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 21:20:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21449; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:07:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:07:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:06:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5o2-L.A.5OF.LbmX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Have you busked before using loops? >How's it gone down with the punters? >Anyone else with busking anecdotes? I've done busking with an Ovation, DL-4 and Pignose Hog-20. I don't know how cognizant the typical listener was that I was looping, unless they were watching really closely, but the performances went okay. Most people ignore you, a few stop for a minute, some really dig it. After I was done, one person brought me some bread they were baking while I was playing. I haven't been able to do any busking in the last few months since the weather turned chilly, but I intend to start up again in a month or two. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 22:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22827; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:02:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:01:27 -0800 X-Sender: jc@pop.lynx.bc.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jc maillet Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not that it matters much but I'm generally pretty down on DSP stuff and after a few weeks of playing around on a DL4 I must say I really like the looper, sound quality is not annoying at all ... I've been using it in mono, straight into my Twin with a Boss CS-3 (for loop track rhythm) and Sans Amp straight for spraying all over ... it's pretty wicked so far, and I haven't even used many of the loop's other functions that much ... some of the other delay effects don't cut it, the Echoplex and other analog circuit emulators sucks just like any modeling DSP ... Sweep Delay is not bad, wish you could loop with that effect on and record time was a little longer than 14sec ... :)~ jc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 11 23:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24595; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:49:39 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, a rechargable amp...and batteries in the DL-4. Any suggestions on how a keyboardist could power up on the street w/o an extension cord? Guitar envy, David == Tiktok wrote: > I've done busking with an Ovation, DL-4 and Pignose Hog-20. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:05:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24792; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:56:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:56:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5E813F.1B03@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:00:11 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7LOztD.A.NDG.I5oX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pump organ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:15:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25466; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:08:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:08:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wow, a rechargable amp...and batteries in the DL-4. > >Any suggestions on how a keyboardist could power up on the street w/o an >extension cord? > >Guitar envy, >David > I used to perform on the streets with a casio mini-keyboard, kind of a glorified CZ-101. Battery powered and even included speakers! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25405; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:06:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:06:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <25.fd83b8b.278feaa1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:05:37 EST Subject: Re: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 01-01-11 20:52:17 EST, you write: << The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. >> AA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25410; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:07:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:07:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010112050640.30673.qmail@web10011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4LPQ6C.A.nMG.eDpX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the Yamaha PSR series of keyboards. I have a PSR-530 & it can operate on batteries. It even has it's own speakers. John --- david auker wrote: > Wow, a rechargable amp...and batteries in the DL-4. > > > Any suggestions on how a keyboardist could power up > on the street w/o an > extension cord? > > Guitar envy, > David > > == > Tiktok wrote: > > > I've done busking with an Ovation, DL-4 and > Pignose Hog-20. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25577; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <28.fb8860d.278fecca@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:14:50 EST Subject: Re: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 01-01-11 20:52:17 EST, you write: << The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. >> antonio.......this has been taken care of in the up-grade, the rang sounds much better and you can control the amount of "fade" from infinite (no fade) to slapback (1 repeat), you have 7 options of decay........is it the best tool? i dont know but it is a wonderful easy to use tool and i stress the word "easy" as in friendly..........michael p.s. sorry if the last post got away from me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 00:56:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26135; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: William Lindsay Message-Id: <200101120540.WAA02168@cepheus.azstarnet.com> X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Reply-To: Cc: Subject: To: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA26101 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm new to the list & have been looping with a DOD DFX-94 (4 second) for several years. I recently added a DL-4 to my set-up, and love the doors it has opened, however I still lean on the DOD pedal for timing as its knob-control timing is the lowest common denominator. I would soon like to add automated percussion to my set-up. I was curious how others on the list have managed to sync a drum machine or other percussion unit to a manual timing set-up. For those not familiar with the DFX-94 it maintains a static loop size based on a single knob (delay length). I could adjust the loop to match a rhythm but this creates a tone change; not so good in a live situation. THe 94 does not have a tap rhythm like the DL-4 I'd love to hear how others overcame this problem without spending a grand on a midi friendly looper. Thanks, William (Tucson, AZ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 02:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28144; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:23:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c07c68$b80a4e20$c15d1440@being> From: "Philip Rampi-Green" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010109224708.00b1e7c0@mail.well.com> Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:24:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the response Dan, I am very concerned about this issue and found it depressing that the one and only response thus far has been further confirmation of this problem. I hope I am wrong on this, but I am thinking this issue is much more common than we know. I would like to know how many users are running their EDP's in stereo, specifically units from that notorious first Gibson batch of which my units are from. I laid out many dollars for these two units and they have not been right since I got them. I realize that nothing is perfect, especially in this hyper paced world of technology, but if I have the story straight, the EDP has been in development and production in various forms for a decade. That is one of the main reasons I went with the EDP. I've had way to many frustrating experiences with PC/DAW systems that always crashed and thus I bought into Gibson's pitch that these units are stable due to being dedicated pieces of gear and that they have been developed/refined over many years. That was music to my ears. I couldn't wait to use these cool old/new solid pieces of gear and go live with them. Now that I've tried to get them to work as advertised for many months without success, I have zero confidence in obtaining that goal with these units. The Repeater was announced just after I purchased the EDP's and I thought, oh well, I still like the EDP's (when they are behaving..!) and the Repeater will probably not become mature in regards to OS fixes and updates for at least a year. Well at this rate, it feels like my EDP's might not be functional by then or maybe ever. What can one say other than - THIS SUCKS. It is also disturbing to me that Gibson's EDP Guru - Shane Radke - admits to not knowing much about syncing issues. I know this to be true because I sent these units back to Gibson for repair and the syncing problems persisted. Please understand that my experiences with Shane Radke have all been top notch. He is very helpful and sincere but he recommended that I talk to Kim Flint directly, which seems kind of suspect in my opinion. If syncability is a key feature, then let's get some training/testing procedures in place. Kim, are you out there....? Please throw me/us a frickin bone here ..... (not quit the devil, but I think Dr. Evil will do...). PS: Dan, great idea about getting Gibson EDP schematics, but I think in this case (I.E. - my units are under warranty and have never worked right) Gibson should take care of the problem ASAP, not me........... Thanks, Philip prgconsulting@prodigy.net > speak of the devil... :-) > > just recently borrowed a friend's edp to do some stereo stuff, & many of > these same symptoms occurred, primarily the drifting out of phase bit. this > was most notable when the slave EDP would sometimes display the 3 'dots' > indicating it is waiting for then next cycle to start some operation, even > though quantize is off. also tried different trs cables, confirmed all the > midi params were set the same w/ sync out on both units, etc. > > any way to diagnose this problem Kim? is there any point to putting a > scope on the BrotherSync signal? if so, what would we look for? > > thanks, > dan > > ps- any chance you could convince Gibson to release schematics for the EDP, > in leau of a service manual? > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 02:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28310; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:33:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a product called the "Far Outlet" (ha ha) from Galaxy Audio that will provide portable AC power. However I made something similar and cheaper with a gel-cell battery pack designed for emergency car starting, and a 12VDC-120VAC inverter. It was enough to power an Eventide H3000, DAT recorder, Mackie mixer and a Cambridge Soundworks Model 11 "suitcase" amp/speaker setup. The first time I used this rig for looping, in a concrete bunker in the Marin Headlands, was a lot of fun-- my pal Patti sang down in the tunnels, into a close mic feeding the Eventide 10 sec loop which played back into speakers even farther down in the chamber, for a nice combination of electronic and acoustic regeneration. Then we recorded the whole mess to DAT with a separate stereo mic. The best part was when a park ranger came along and cited us for "recording music without a permit on federal land". Of course I had left the system going when he approached us so there are snippets of "may I see your driver's license" and "who owns this equipment" in the recording :-). I took the citation to court where the clerk laughingly dismissed it, but only after taking quite some time to determine that there was in fact such a law on the books. At first he thought the park ranger had just made it up. I guess this was more of a bust than a busk, but anyway I felt it was a story worth repeating, so to speak. -Alex S. At 8:49 PM -0800 1/11/01, david auker wrote: >Wow, a rechargable amp...and batteries in the DL-4. > >Any suggestions on how a keyboardist could power up on the street w/o an >extension cord? > >Guitar envy, >David > >== >Tiktok wrote: > > > I've done busking with an Ovation, DL-4 and Pignose Hog-20. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 02:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28802; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.207.128.39] From: "slavestate13" To: Subject: new to the list Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:22:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C07C25.569344A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 07:49:09.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[258131F0:01C07C6C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C07C25.569344A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well hello everyone. Im new here and I have no idea what looping is but = I have a very opened mind for music and I kinda have a sense of what it = is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it is. Is it just a constant = loop of sound and then you just keep adding different things to it? = Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm just interested. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C07C25.569344A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well hello everyone. Im new here and I = have no idea=20 what looping is but I have a very opened mind for music and I kinda have = a sense=20 of what it is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it is. Is it just a = constant=20 loop of sound and then you just keep adding different things to it? = Sorry=20 if I sound dumb but I'm just interested.
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C07C25.569344A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 05:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31469; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c07c7e$45f547c0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:58:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-dd5UC.A.TlH.dVtX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Only in California! :) One time about 10 years ago, I was standing on a corner in Hollywood/LA with a friend of mine, testing out a big ol' Sony BetaCam he'd bought second-hand, primarily for the audio recording features, actually... Lo and Behold, out of nowhere comes this fat cop and demands to see our filming permit. Threatened to take the camera too! Somehow we talked our way out of it - seems the cops get a big stipend in LA for standing around and doing nothing while a shoot is going on (well, not the shooting THEY do); bloody cheek. I love the idea of your power unit, Alex! How big is it, how much does it weigh? Would it fit into an airport carryall rack? Schematics or some design chart would be of great help of course. And since you're going through pixar, do you need any cartooning not designed by an art school graduate? No, really! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! "Alex Stahl" put forth: > There's a product called the "Far Outlet" (ha ha) from Galaxy Audio > that will provide portable AC power. However I made something similar > and cheaper with a gel-cell battery pack designed for emergency car > starting, and a 12VDC-120VAC inverter. It was enough to power an > Eventide H3000, DAT recorder, Mackie mixer and a Cambridge Soundworks > Model 11 "suitcase" amp/speaker setup. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 05:34:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31760; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:25:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:25:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Funkyboost@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:23:54 EST Subject: lisa software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is anyone here using lisa software? it seems to be a unique tool on mac From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 06:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32566; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:20:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010112111929.26789.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:19:29 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: midi expression pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a Waldorf 4-pole and want to control it through a expression pedal, so that I could change the values of one or more effects (cutoff, resonance, LFO, etc). What can I use to do so? Henrique BH/Brazil ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie sua própria home page no Yahoo! GeoCities. É grátis e fácil! http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:19:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04192; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010901c07ca0$bdac6f60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love this story, Alex! Maybe we need a Looper Anecdotes page on the LD website? Did you save the "recording music without a permit on federal land" ticket? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:21:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04231; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:15:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011101c07ca1$03f8a6a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:07:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_w3aED.A.1BB.MFxX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does ANYBODY prefer the Headrush over the DL4? The verdict seems pretty loopsided so far... Just curious. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04545; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:28:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:28:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3ED5@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:26:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get a new boomerang when you have an extra coupla bucks. otherwise get the dl4. i have both. great tools! jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: cameron street [mailto:c_jas@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 I prefer the dl4. As the headrush has some hiss. And some hiss on top of 14 other pedals is to much. he he. And the dl4 not having the undo button to the original loop thing, makes you work harder to get it right the first time, cause you have to, cause there's no undo button. he he. And the dl4 has 2 outputs, i like going to a kaoss pad. he he. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Garrett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Headrush vs. DL4 > I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the > Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new to > looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the > Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like > that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. > > Thanx > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:36:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04691; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010112093548.0079c790@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:35:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 In-Reply-To: <011101c07ca1$03f8a6a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I enjoy mine and am happy with the sound quality and interface, although obviously a bit more loop time would be nice. Whatever I add to my setup, I'll be keeping the Headrush too, though. I still use an old Korg SDD-1000 a lot for short loops; y'can't have too many loopers! A friend of mine with whom I loop has both a DL-4 and a Headrush on his pedalboard A/B'ed for flexibility through different signal paths. He finds that each does its own thing very well, and that they complement each other nicely. Instead of 'Headrush VERSUS DL-4', it's 'in cahoots with'. Tim At 09:07 AM 1/12/01 -0500, Dennis the singing bowl guru wrote: >Does ANYBODY prefer the Headrush over the DL4? The verdict seems pretty >loopsided so far... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:52:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04901; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:42:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:42:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3ED7@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:40:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the boomerang has been upgraded. the sound is much better now. i also have an older old dated one. we run it through a small makie board and other goodies which brings my vocals and guitar through it. with a little tweaking the sound is the same. the v2 upgrade is cheap and has really improved the sound. it is like two boomerangs in one now. if you can get to a music store that carries these bad boys and ab the lot of them. also my boomerang has been through hell and back physically and is still solid. they are built like a tank! best wishes, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Loro [mailto:antonio_loro@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? Hi. I've been researching what's available for loopers . I'm looking for a simple unit that's dedicated to making loops. This looks like the best source of information out there, teach me. I must begin to loop soon, I am growing old, there is little time. There seem to be a lot of multi-effects units like the Line6 DL4 that also do a little looping, but since I've already got effects, I want to minimize redundancy. I also see units like the Zoom ST-224 that look more involved, more geared to DJ-type stuff and less geared to off-the-cuff real-time looping (i.e. harder to use for these purposes than the Boomerang). I just want to be able to loop and overdub layers of different parts. (I am a vocalist and a guitarist and whatever else my whim leads me to.) The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. So far I've been unsuccessful in finding the answer to my question, so I ask you: What other dedicated looping units are competing with the Boomerang? Similar recording time, similar ease of use, similar price? Better sound quality? etc. It's strange, but I can't seem to find anything that competes with the Boomerang on its own turf. I'd be delighted if you informed me of my ignorance. Oh, one last thing. In my travels, I came across a site www.reedkotler.com that sells what look like quite useful tools for transcribing music. They also happen to be able to loop (maybe it deserves inclusion in the Loopers' Delight page). Now, if only it could overdub, and maybe a couple of footswitches... Thanks, see ya. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:55:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05043; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:47:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:47:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3ED9@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:45:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also fixed on the v2 upgrade. it gives you options of feedback time. jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? In a message dated 01-01-11 20:52:17 EST, you write: << The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. >> AA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 09:59:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05226; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4798@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new to the list Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:52:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07CA7.534F4320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CA7.534F4320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I thinkj people use it different ways. I use it to create backgrounds, ambience, atmoshpere, harmonizing, accompanyiong rythmns. Others may use it in different ways especially on this list.loopers of all kinds. I guess that loops can flow repeat and change as they repeat. I have some mp3 samples and I am sure others on the list would not hesitate to offer some mp3 samples. I wonder if the lsit has a web page with samples. thanks Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe http://www.dtguita.rcom -----Original Message----- From: slavestate13 [mailto:slavestate13@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new to the list well hello everyone. Im new here and I have no idea what looping is but I have a very opened mind for music and I kinda have a sense of what it is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it is. Is it just a constant loop of sound and then you just keep adding different things to it? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm just interested. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CA7.534F4320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, I thinkj people use it different ways. I use it to create backgrounds, ambience, atmoshpere, harmonizing, accompanyiong rythmns. Others may use it in different ways especially on this list.loopers of all kinds. I guess that loops can flow repeat and change as they repeat. I have some mp3 samples and I am sure others on the list would not hesitate to offer some mp3 samples. I wonder if the lsit has a web page with samples.
 
 
 
thanks
Denis Taaffe
http://www.dtguita.rcom
-----Original Message-----
From: slavestate13 [mailto:slavestate13@hotmail.com]
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well hello everyone. Im new here and I have no idea what looping is but I have a very opened mind for music and I kinda have a sense of what it is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it is. Is it just a constant loop of sound and then you just keep adding different things to it? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm just interested.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CA7.534F4320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 10:19:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06099; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:17:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:17:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5F1FA8.5733AC2C@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:15:52 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 References: <3.0.5.32.20010112093548.0079c790@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8PbXSC.A.qeB.N_xX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not tried the DL4 (or an echoplex or jamman or boomerang ect), so I cant really voice a preference. However, getting a Headrush, finding Loopers Delight, and discovering David Torn has has pretty much blown my feeble little guitar playing brain. One thing I can say is that after having a Headrush for a little over a year, its not enough... there will be a better & more powerful looper in my future. The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. Be forwarned. :) later, -jas http://gisweb.cabq.gov/mp3/jason Tim Nelson wrote: > At 09:07 AM 1/12/01 -0500, Dennis the singing bowl guru wrote: > >Does ANYBODY prefer the Headrush over the DL4? The verdict seems pretty > >loopsided so far... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 10:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06310; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5F14F6.3686@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:30:16 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 References: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3ED5@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimmy, does the NEW boomerang indeed not suffer from the sound quality issues the old one did? steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 10:28:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06306; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:26:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:26:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/12/2001 09:21:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 10:47:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06751; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:42:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:42:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010901c07ca0$bdac6f60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <010901c07ca0$bdac6f60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:41:26 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:05 AM -0500 1/12/01, Dennis Leas wrote: >I love this story, Alex! Maybe we need a Looper Anecdotes page on the LD >website? > >Did you save the "recording music without a permit on federal land" ticket? Yes, I framed it.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 10:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06902; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007601c07c7e$45f547c0$0601a8c0@stephen> References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <007601c07c7e$45f547c0$0601a8c0@stephen> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:47:40 -0800 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I love the idea of your power unit, Alex! How big is it, how much does it >weigh? It's roughly as big as a briefcase, and weighs maybe 25 lbs. > Would it fit into an airport carryall rack? Yes I think so. > Schematics or some >design chart would be of great help of course. It's very simple, the battery pack came with a cigarette lighter style socket on it and the inverter came with a matching plug. Those are pretty unreliable connectors though, I never got around to replacing them but should. I will try and find the manufacturer info for the parts and pass it along. > And since you're going >through pixar, do you need any cartooning not designed by an art school >graduate? No, really! Actually I'm just a nerd here, not an animator, but I know they are much more interested in animation chops than computer chops... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 11:20:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07610; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:09:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:09:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:10:09 -0500 Subject: repeater From: mr monk To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ZjbeD.A.j2B.4vyX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey i've been out of touch and out of the country for a while. i signed up to get in on the group buy, but i never heard anything. if this is an old issue, can someone email me privately and let me in on whats happening. peace ric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 11:33:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07960; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:29:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:25:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: no-frills loopers? Boomerang competition? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA07912 Resent-Message-ID: <5byW_D.A.37B.QBzX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> antonio_loro@yahoo.ca 01/11/01 05:51PM >>> > The Boomerang looks like the best tool, but a couple of complaints I've seen in reviews are of its sound quality and of the fact that as you overdub, the previous layers begin to fade out, limiting how many layers you can stack. So far I've been unsuccessful in finding the answer to my question, so I ask you: Hi Antonio... here's the boilerplate from Mike Nelson, Mr. Boomerang regarding the latest units shipping with the s/w upgrade. It solves both those problems. IMO The Boomerang is the KING of floor based loopers and has now improved to a degree that it's competitive in terms of fidelity AND functionality with JamMan, EDP and Repeater (given that all of these units provide a certain uniqueness and user i/f... the Boomerang definitely belongs in this group). Best regards, -Miko Biffle ¯------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Nelson writes.... "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here's what's in store. * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning between the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and sounds a lot crisper. * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to start recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and enter stack mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A and B, has its own decay rate. * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is slowed similarly to the current software. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead playing). * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button is held down to enter one of the two program modes. ======================================== Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 11:43:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08202; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.e693e83.27908d41@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:39:29 EST Subject: OT:Re: The Honorable Mr. Torn..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks; i'm glad to 'help', if that is, indeed, the operative word. in this 'media'-regard, i believe that there are also upcoming tornic features in: electronic musician & guitar player. btw: *i* don't think i'm weird..... (much less 'honorable')! best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's now available (@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] In a message dated 01/11/2001 11:33:26 AM, Traig.S.Foltz.5@nd.edu writes: >just got the new issue of CMJ NEW MUSIC MONTHLY and who should be on >page 15 - Mr. David Torn (billed as Splattercell's David Torn). > >it's a short article on the various odd string instruments he >utilizes to crerate his sonic textures. > >i'd just like to say thanx to Mr. Torn for being as accesible as he >is on this list. he is an endless source of inspiration to those of >us who hate doing things by the book, sonically speaking. and it's >damn cool to see him getting some props in a magazine (Collaborators >call Torn the most sampled guy on the planet, nextto James Brown.) >there's an idea Torn producing James Brown! > >i've been a fan since "Clouds About Mecury" > > >stay weird, >traig > >"...when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson >Traig Foltz >Audio Production Specialist >University of Notre Dame >Office of Information Technology >Office: (219)631 - 3752 >Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (rly-xa02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.71]) >by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:26 >-0500 >Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) >by rly-xa02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:19 -0500 >Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03962; > Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:15 -0500 >Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:15 -0500 >Old-Return-Path: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Message-Id: >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:32:47 -0600 >To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: traig >Subject: The Honorable Mr. Torn..... >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Resent-Message-ID: >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3214 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 11:56:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08678; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010112085251.00a70100@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:52:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... In-Reply-To: <003c01c07c68$b80a4e20$c15d1440@being> References: <3.0.5.32.20010109224708.00b1e7c0@mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_tH8gB.A.zGC.CazX6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:24 AM 1/12/01 -0600, Philip wrote: >Thanks for the response Dan, > >Kim, are you out there....? Please throw me/us a frickin bone here ..... >(not quit the devil, but I think Dr. Evil will do...). > whoah! the devil i was speaking of was the problem itself. Kim seems more like Dr. Frankenstein to... :-) dan "throw me a bone" mcmullen ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 11:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08676; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... Message-ID: <0056910009682054000002L142*@MHS> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:55:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 01/12/01 10:44:02" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA08636 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com prgconsulting@prodigy.net wrote : I am very concerned about this issue and found it depressing that the one and only response thus far has been further confirmation of this problem. I hope I am wrong on this, but I am thinking this issue is much more common than we know. I would like to know how many users are running their EDP's in stereo, specifically units from that notorious first Gibson batch of which my units are from. >> I run my old Oberheim and my new Gibson EDP in stereo occasionally, brother synce plus midi sync, and have never had the problems that you observe. I have never seen tham "drift" out of sync. I also frequently use tham as two parallel units, brother sync only, no midi, and that works too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:01:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10325; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B1566F70@msgatl06.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:53:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone played with the new Alesis AirFX? Comments? It LOOKS like it is somewhat in the same vein as a D-Beam, I guess (not terribly familiar w/ teh D-Beam). Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:07:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10926; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:05:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:03:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07CC2.04F468C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CC2.04F468C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, mo' gig spam . . . Sunday, Jan. 14th 7:30 p.m. (doors open 7) Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory 7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00 in order of appearance: Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?). Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy) Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied tools/technology/loopage) [We go on at around 9] ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CC2.04F468C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" so cal gig spam

howdy,

mo' gig spam . . .

Sunday, Jan. 14th

7:30 p.m. (doors open 7)
Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory
7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00


in order of appearance:

Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?).

Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy)

Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied tools/technology/loopage)
[We go on at around 9]


------_=_NextPart_001_01C07CC2.04F468C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11302; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:27:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c07cc5$f6251200$cdb96fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:55:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Excellent story. Can we hear the tape, (MP3) ? I'm fired up and will be ready to busk when the temperature rises a good few degrees above zero. I'll just be taking my trusty old 8080, my beezarre geetarre and a hand drum or two, (think I'll leave the capybara at home : )). What are the groups opinions on the best sort of portable amp for busking loops ? I've often thought of building some speakers, an amp and a battery into the case that I carry my instruments in. Does such a thing exist commercially ? Advice anyone? Gareth > The first time I used this rig for looping, in a concrete bunker in > the Marin Headlands, was a lot of fun-- my pal Patti sang down in the > tunnels, into a close mic feeding the Eventide 10 sec loop which > played back into speakers even farther down in the chamber, for a > nice combination of electronic and acoustic regeneration. Then we > recorded the whole mess to DAT with a separate stereo mic. > > I guess this was more of a bust than a busk, but anyway I felt it was > a story worth repeating, so to speak. > > -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:31:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11367; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:29:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c07cc5$82f575e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Midi in Win2k Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:28:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C07C82.724CC380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C07C82.724CC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all-=20 I have been tempted to run Windows 2000 native but for all the banter I = hear about midi issues- currently I am dual boot and almost never use = Win2k anymore although I like it much better than Win98- I use = Gigasampler, Reaktor, Cubase etc. I read on the Steinberg site that if you use a midi interface using = Windows WDM drivers you should be ok- does anyone know more about this = topic? Apparently the MidiMan USB Midisport and the Steinberg midi = interface both use these drivers- actually I just found this on their = site- = http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/midex8/index.phtml?sid=3D01= 020305 looks interesting- and also their original info on the issue- = http://service.steinberg.net/knowledge.nsf/SearchReturnViewE/8D0F16432B32= B4A0C12568A400597413?OpenDocument In any event, I am still screwed until MOTU releases Win2k drivers which = they have been dragging their feet on for some time as I understand it- = hopefully I can meet them at Namm and get the inside scoop-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C07C82.724CC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all-
 
I have been tempted to run Windows 2000 native = but for=20 all the banter I hear about midi issues- currently I am dual boot and = almost=20 never use Win2k anymore although I like it much better than Win98- I use = Gigasampler, Reaktor, Cubase etc.
 
I read on the Steinberg site that if you use a midi = interface=20 using Windows WDM drivers you should be ok- does anyone know more = about=20 this topic? Apparently the MidiMan USB Midisport and the Steinberg midi=20 interface both use these drivers- actually I just found this on their = site- http://www.steinberg.net/products/ae/hardware/midex8/inde= x.phtml?sid=3D01020305 looks=20 interesting- and also their original info on the issue- http://service.steinberg.net/k= nowledge.nsf/SearchReturnViewE/8D0F16432B32B4A0C12568A400597413?OpenDocum= ent
 
In any event, I am still screwed until MOTU releases = Win2k=20 drivers which they have been dragging their feet on for some time as I=20 understand it- hopefully I can meet them at Namm and get the inside = scoop-=20
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C07C82.724CC380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:39:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11574; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3EFF@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:34:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the fender passport can run on a battery. it is also built very strong and light weight to carry. it has enough inputs xlr, 4, to accommodate my looping show. yummy ... -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Excellent story. Can we hear the tape, (MP3) ? I'm fired up and will be ready to busk when the temperature rises a good few degrees above zero. I'll just be taking my trusty old 8080, my beezarre geetarre and a hand drum or two, (think I'll leave the capybara at home : )). What are the groups opinions on the best sort of portable amp for busking loops ? I've often thought of building some speakers, an amp and a battery into the case that I carry my instruments in. Does such a thing exist commercially ? Advice anyone? Gareth > The first time I used this rig for looping, in a concrete bunker in > the Marin Headlands, was a lot of fun-- my pal Patti sang down in the > tunnels, into a close mic feeding the Eventide 10 sec loop which > played back into speakers even farther down in the chamber, for a > nice combination of electronic and acoustic regeneration. Then we > recorded the whole mess to DAT with a separate stereo mic. > > I guess this was more of a bust than a busk, but anyway I felt it was > a story worth repeating, so to speak. > > -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11618; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c07cc6$a3cf1400$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <000301c07cc5$f6251200$cdb96fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:36:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Crate makes a battery powred amp called the "Taxi" - there are others although I don't recall who makes them- I think Fender has one called "Amp in a Can" or some such nifty name- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] > Excellent story. Can we hear the tape, (MP3) ? > > I'm fired up and will be ready to busk when the temperature rises a good few > degrees above zero. > I'll just be taking my trusty old 8080, my beezarre geetarre and a hand drum > or two, (think I'll leave the capybara at home : )). > > What are the groups opinions on the best sort of portable amp for busking > loops ? > I've often thought of building some speakers, an amp and a battery into the > case that I carry my instruments in. Does such a thing exist commercially ? > Advice anyone? > > Gareth > > > The first time I used this rig for looping, in a concrete bunker in > > the Marin Headlands, was a lot of fun-- my pal Patti sang down in the > > tunnels, into a close mic feeding the Eventide 10 sec loop which > > played back into speakers even farther down in the chamber, for a > > nice combination of electronic and acoustic regeneration. Then we > > recorded the whole mess to DAT with a separate stereo mic. > > > > I guess this was more of a bust than a busk, but anyway I felt it was > > a story worth repeating, so to speak. > > > > -Alex S. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11824; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:40:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3F02@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:38:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com carvin also makes a battery powered system. http://www.carvin.com -----Original Message----- From: MediaOne [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Crate makes a battery powred amp called the "Taxi" - there are others although I don't recall who makes them- I think Fender has one called "Amp in a Can" or some such nifty name- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] > Excellent story. Can we hear the tape, (MP3) ? > > I'm fired up and will be ready to busk when the temperature rises a good few > degrees above zero. > I'll just be taking my trusty old 8080, my beezarre geetarre and a hand drum > or two, (think I'll leave the capybara at home : )). > > What are the groups opinions on the best sort of portable amp for busking > loops ? > I've often thought of building some speakers, an amp and a battery into the > case that I carry my instruments in. Does such a thing exist commercially ? > Advice anyone? > > Gareth > > > The first time I used this rig for looping, in a concrete bunker in > > the Marin Headlands, was a lot of fun-- my pal Patti sang down in the > > tunnels, into a close mic feeding the Eventide 10 sec loop which > > played back into speakers even farther down in the chamber, for a > > nice combination of electronic and acoustic regeneration. Then we > > recorded the whole mess to DAT with a separate stereo mic. > > > > I guess this was more of a bust than a busk, but anyway I felt it was > > a story worth repeating, so to speak. > > > > -Alex S. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 13:59:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12220; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:53:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:53:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c07cc8$bc388ce0$9a0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <000301c07cc5$f6251200$cdb96fd4@y5w2s5> <008901c07cc6$a3cf1400$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:51:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1M1SFD.A.p-C.KK1X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My 2 cents worth . . . I have the Far Outlet and it is a wonderful source for portable electricity--runs on a small sealed acid battery. I also have the Carvin Stage Mate, a battery powered amplifier--also wonderful. Both of these are almost too heavy to carry for long distances--say, a quarter of a mile. The other battery amp I have used is the Anchor Audio MiniVox. It runs on C cells and is good for over the shoulder work, like strolling. Kinda tinny tho . . . BTW, I got my Ztar back and am happy to report that it is working fine, triggering the Echoplex as well as generating audio for loops (percussion, bass, etc). Oh, and I saw Fabio in Benihana's on Ventura Blvd. last night. Still no job tho--singing guitarist seeks work? Do I need a permit to busk in Sherman Oaks? Who do I contact? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 14:09:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12960; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:07:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:07:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:05:26 EST Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <3AGDdC.A.LKD.fW1X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com feb guitar player mag has an article "assault and battery" where they list 7 small battery powered amps and write up on them......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 14:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13013; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:08:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:08:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a901c07ccb$083b8e60$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <000301c07cc5$f6251200$cdb96fd4@y5w2s5> <008901c07cc6$a3cf1400$7bb387d8@cliff> <000d01c07cc8$bc388ce0$9a0c78d8@com> Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:08:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are unemployed and eating dinner at Benihana's- am I missing something? ;) c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] > My 2 cents worth . . . > I have the Far Outlet and it is a wonderful source for portable > electricity--runs on a small sealed acid battery. > I also have the Carvin Stage Mate, a battery powered amplifier--also > wonderful. Both of these are almost too heavy to carry for long > distances--say, a quarter of a mile. > The other battery amp I have used is the Anchor Audio MiniVox. It runs on C > cells and is good for over the shoulder work, like strolling. Kinda tinny > tho . . . > BTW, I got my Ztar back and am happy to report that it is working fine, > triggering the Echoplex as well as generating audio for loops (percussion, > bass, etc). > Oh, and I saw Fabio in Benihana's on Ventura Blvd. last night. > Still no job tho--singing guitarist seeks work? > Do I need a permit to busk in Sherman Oaks? Who do I contact? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 14:25:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13357; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:23:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:23:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c07ccc$a8d3cf80$f2b41597@invisibleloop> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <000a01c07cc5$e9546e40$02000003@mpx.com.au> Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using the Headrush for almost a year now, and I never had any problem with hiss. Probably the problem is with the adapter you use with it.I use the original one which came within the original Akai package, and I have been using it either in the fx loop of my laney valve combo or in the send-return of my Boehringer mx2004 mixer and never heard any hiss coming from that unit.And I don't think it is a one trick box, as I find particularly useful as a fake tape delay, with its four outputs, which you can send to 4 channels on your mixer and get different pannings or eqs or processings. If it was possible to you I would advise you to get your hands (foots) on both the units. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron street" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 > > I prefer the dl4. As the headrush has some hiss. > And some hiss on top of 14 other pedals is to much. he he. > And the dl4 not having the undo button to the original loop > thing, makes you work harder to get it right the first time, > cause you have to, cause there's no undo button. he he. > And the dl4 has 2 outputs, i like going to a kaoss pad. he he. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Garrett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:51 PM > Subject: Headrush vs. DL4 > > > > I'm considering a cost effecient looper. I'm tryin to decide between the > > Akai Headrush and the Line 6 DL4. As far as I can tell (and I'm very new > to > > looping), the DL4 has capabilities to reverse play which is nice, but the > > Headrush can eliminate all layers but the originl is kept. I really like > > that. Someone give me some suggestions and opinions. > > > > Thanx > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 14:31:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13497; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:27:46 EST Subject: battery powered one man band To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com High, Everyone! This stands as my first submission after years of lurking. I've spent a while deviating between a studio based and battery based setup, depending on situations, and have come up with a pretty useful setup for kickin' it subway stylee! The main problem with the "unwired" systems (headrush, dl-4, echo-plus) is threefold. 1. their inability to do multiple loops 2. the fact that they only have one or two inputs (fine if you're layering guitar cacaphony, distinctly not fine if you want to add drums, then bass, then guitar, then keyboard, then solo, then vocal harmonies on the chorus) 3. no midi What I've done to get avoid this problem has been aided greatly by the Crate Limo battery powered amp. This is the ultimate outdoor tool, with a built in DSP with reverb/chorus/delay/rotary sim or combinations of each, a sturdy constuction, even a distortion channel (solid state crate distortion, but distortion nonetheless!) This features an effect insert which sends all of it's inputs (two line level, one set of stereo rca's, and one xlr, with two separate eq's and DSP mixes!) out to an effect, and returns it in mono (there's only one speaker anyway, you stereo freaks!). So, I've got the drum machine going into the rca's, mic in the xlr, guitar/bass with effects in one line in, and keyboard (battery powered, of course!), in the other line in. I use a digitech echo-plus going into a line6 dl-4 on the insert. Now, any signal gets added to either loop, and I can then build a verse loop and a chorus loop, (one on each unit) usually adding to each one after the other. Th! is has the effect of making the song build as it goes (which you generally want to have happen, anyway) I usually sample and loop the drum machine, because there's no way to synchronize the units like you can with rack effects, but this is a good skill to master, as it forces your foot to have perfect punch timing. The echo plus has no endloop, but time is set at 2, 4, or 8 seconds at maximum within the individual timing settings, so you can set the drum machine accordingly, and it'll be pretty accurate. Another good feature of this unit is variable speed control, which, when tweaked after looping, (and sent into the delay of the DL-4 looper setting) sounds very very very very very twisted. If the Electix can do this, look for tons of outdated looping equipment from yours truly on ebay soon! Anyway, I've only taken this setup out twice, once here in NYC, and once at Burning Man, but it does compact nicely onto a small pushcart, so, conceivably, I could take it to Zimbabwe and play to the zebras with it. Anyway, however you want to do your outdoor looping extravaganza, I'd suggest STARTING with the Crate Limo. Yeah, the Maxi Mouse does sound better for guitar by itself, but once you start adding sounds, and especially when drums get in the mix, it gets muddy awfully fast. Believe me, if I had the choice, I'd rather carry the Maxi Mouse than the 28 pound Limo, but quality is quanitiy in this case, so, oh well. Here are some useful linx, by the way: This one's about the Echo-plus. The second submission is mine, from a few years ago, before they started selling for 500 dollars. Sorry, everyone. Maybe I hyped it too much! http://www.harmony-entral.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/PDS_8000_EchoPlus-01.html This one's about the limo. Back up to their front page for a charming picture of the most celebrated of all Crate endorsers, Mr. Fred Durst, of the Limp Bizkit Chamber Orchestra. (Okay, if you want to be a purist, feel free to march all over Central Park looking for somewhere to plug in your Silverface Pro-Reverb. In the meantime, I'll be proudly playing the Limp one's favorite amp) http://www.crateamps.com/stlmusic/crateamp/tx50db.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:20:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14725; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.52.17.12] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:15:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 20:15:17.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[61926930:01C07CD4] Resent-Message-ID: <_G1wvC.A.JlD.zX2X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14703; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.52.17.12] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:15:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 20:15:12.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E2F8F20:01C07CD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14702; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:16:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.52.17.12] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:15:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 20:15:16.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[60EDC4C0:01C07CD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15317; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3F07@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:23:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <-cam-D.A.yuD.Jg2X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NO MORE SINGING! -----Original Message----- From: Alyosha Barreiro [mailto:balyosha@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15298; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:25:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:25:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3F06@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:23:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LALALALALA DO WOP WOH YEA! lalala? dowop?? Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15437; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:28:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:28:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023b01c07cd5$2b0c2b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:20:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Please sing me out of loopers delight. > Alyosha "dum de dum dum.....dum de dum dum... dum de dum dum DAHHHHHHHH!!" (2nd verse same as the 1st! (Couldn't resist. It's FRIDAY!!) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:34:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15185; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3F05@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:22:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com la la la la do wop do wop lalala LALALALALALALALALALALA!!! do wOp!? -----Original Message----- From: Alyosha Barreiro [mailto:balyosha@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Please sing me out of loopers delight. Alyosha From: lindsay@pavestone.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:52 -0600 >The Headrush is a start, but it can awaken some pretty powerful desires. >Be forwarned. You're not kidding. I just turned down a friends invitation to go out somewhere that would have cost me $35. My reasoning, hell, that's 8% of a Repeater! L _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 15:39:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14733; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:07:48 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: lisa software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <058901c07cca$f4545760$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow. anyone remember the lisa computer? first consumer pc with a mouse. i worked for apple in carrolton, tx when they were designed. top secret badges, secure doors, guards... then, it was a big flop. ultra slow, and what's this rolly thing attached to it? who makes this software called lisa? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: lisa software > is anyone here using lisa software? > it seems to be a unique tool on mac > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 17:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18559; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c07ce3$5df91800$6628059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <023b01c07cd5$2b0c2b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:02:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_zQHMB.A.ZhE.R_3X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was on the verge to make this joke either, but you made it before me!!! :) Like you said Dennis, it's Friday! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 > > Please sing me out of loopers delight. > > Alyosha > > "dum de dum dum.....dum de dum dum... dum de dum dum DAHHHHHHHH!!" > (2nd verse same as the 1st! > > (Couldn't resist. It's FRIDAY!!) > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 18:45:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20936; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:32:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010112233144.68049.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9hZ5pC.A.zGF.eP5X6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have Oberheim echoplexii and have run them in stereo with no problems. We don't normally run stereo, however. Normally we run 3 brothersync'd without any sync problems. bret http://www.mp3.com/brothersync --- kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: > prgconsulting@prodigy.net wrote : > > I am very concerned about this issue and found it depressing that the > one > and only response thus far has been further confirmation of this > problem. I > hope I am wrong on this, but I am thinking this issue is much more > common > than we know. I would like to know how many users are running their > EDP's > in stereo, specifically units from that notorious first Gibson batch > of > which my units are from. > > > >> > I run my old Oberheim and my new Gibson EDP in stereo occasionally, > brother synce plus midi sync, and have never had the problems that > you observe. I have never seen tham "drift" out of sync. I also > frequently use tham as two parallel units, brother sync > only, no midi, and that works too. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 19:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22059; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c07cf5$58e7ec80$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:11:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07CF5.57DB5E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07CF5.57DB5E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so cal gig spamGo for it Stu! Sorry I'm not there to go. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: 12 January 2001 18:03 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy,=20 mo' gig spam . . .=20 Sunday, Jan. 14th=20 7:30 p.m. (doors open 7)=20 Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory=20 7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00=20 in order of appearance:=20 Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?).=20 Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy)=20 Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied = tools/technology/loopage)=20 [We go on at around 9]=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07CF5.57DB5E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so cal gig spam
Go for it Stu!  Sorry I'm not there to=20 go.
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even=20 more MP3s!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: 12 January 2001 18:03 = PM
Subject: so cal gig spam


howdy,

mo' gig spam . . .

Sunday, Jan. 14th

7:30 p.m. (doors open 7)
Alterknit=20 Lounge at the Knitting Factory
7021 = Hollywood Blvd.,=20 $10.00


in order of appearance:

Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth=20 (?).

Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar = Boy)=20

Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig = (basses,=20 applied tools/technology/loopage)
[We go on = at around=20 9]


------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C07CF5.57DB5E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 20:27:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23485; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c07cff$eb5206a0$bf8a353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Cc: "loopers delight" Subject: Re: new to the list Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C07CD5.E9C42CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C07CD5.E9C42CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looping is a broad topic, but we all share a common goal- music created = in various fashion with a repeating theme. Some of us use electronic = means, such as digital sampling loopers like the Oberheim echoplex, or = older analog looping machines like the Maestro echoplex, which allow us = to add to the loop. And some of us rely on more ecclectic means, such as = a record turntable modified to skip, or a CD player that has an A-B loop = function, or a telephone answering machine cassette with a looping = recording, or a CD with a drop of "White Out" on it to make it skip at = that part, Well, looks like I gave up some of my 'secrets' but that is = what the list is all about. busyditch =20 -----Original Message----- From: slavestate13 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:57 AM Subject: new to the list =20 =20 well hello everyone. Im new here and I have no idea what looping is = but I have a very opened mind for music and I kinda have a sense of what = it is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it is. Is it just a constant = loop of sound and then you just keep adding different things to it? = Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm just interested. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C07CD5.E9C42CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looping is a broad topic, but we all = share a=20 common goal- music created in various fashion with a repeating theme. = Some of us=20 use electronic means, such as digital sampling loopers like the Oberheim = echoplex, or older analog looping machines like the Maestro echoplex, = which=20 allow us to add to the loop. And some of us rely on more ecclectic = means, such=20 as a record turntable modified to skip, or a CD player that has an = A-B loop function, or a telephone answering = machine=20 cassette with a looping recording, or a CD with a drop of "White = Out"=20 on it to make it skip at that part, Well, looks like I gave up some of = my=20 'secrets' but that is what the list is all about.
busyditch    =
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 slavestate13 <slavestate13@hotmail.com>=
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Date:=20 Friday, January 12, 2001 2:57 AM
Subject: new to the=20 list

well hello everyone. Im new here = and I have no=20 idea what looping is but I have a very opened mind for music and I = kinda=20 have a sense of what it is. Im just trying to grasp exactly what it = is. Is=20 it just a constant loop of sound and then you just keep adding=20 different things to it? Sorry if I sound dumb but I'm just=20 interested.
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C07CD5.E9C42CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 21:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23960; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:52:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:52:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: William Lindsay Message-Id: <200101130152.SAA20541@cepheus.azstarnet.com> X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Percussion & loops To: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA23925 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm new to the list & have been looping with a DOD DFX-94 (4 second) for several years. I recently added a DL-4 to my set-up, and love the doors it has opened, however I still lean on the DOD pedal for timing as its knob-control timing is the lowest common denominator. I would soon like to add automated percussion to my set-up. I was curious how others on the list have managed to sync a drum machine or other percussion unit to a manual timing set-up. My current set-up is guitar -> Roland GR-09 -> split through the two delay units and into seperate amps. For those not familiar with the DFX-94 it maintains a static loop size based on a single knob (delay length). I could adjust the loop to match a rhythm but this creates a tone change; not so good in a live situation. The 94 does not have a tap rhythm like the DL-4 I'd love to hear how others overcame this problem without spending a grand on a midi friendly looper. Thanks, William (Tucson, AZ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 12 22:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25907; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:32:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:32:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010112192319.00b7b4b0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:23:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: Battery Powered suggestions [busking loops] In-Reply-To: <000d01c07cc8$bc388ce0$9a0c78d8@com> References: <3A5E8CE3.CA6@hevanet.com.> <000301c07cc5$f6251200$cdb96fd4@y5w2s5> <008901c07cc6$a3cf1400$7bb387d8@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Oh, and I saw Fabio in Benihana's on Ventura Blvd. last night. >Still no job tho--singing guitarist seeks work? >Do I need a permit to busk in Sherman Oaks? Who do I contact? >Gary Try the Chamber of Commerce or better yet, the management office at the Sherman Oaks Galleria. -harveyS > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 00:41:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27818; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A5FE7C9.F64621E1@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:29:45 -0500 From: Bryn and Mike X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Syncing with the EDP... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------495577D87309023376C5BF40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------495577D87309023376C5BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Folks, I'm looking for a little collective wisdom here. I've got my EDP synced to a Roland GrooveBox 505 and it generally works pretty well. The problem is that whenever I use more than one loop, the EDP doesn't stay synced. I've got it set on "Quantize" and this works just fine when I lay down my "A" loop. However, the EDP stops listening to the GrooveBox as soon as I go to the "Nextloop". The problem is that as soon as I'm done recording my "B" loop, the EDP doesn't wait to hear another MIDI beat before it stops recording. The end result is that I may record a great "A" loop that's in time but if I don't end my "B" loop at precisely the right time, my loops will be out of sync with the GrooveBox. Any ideas? Thanks, Mike Georgin p.s. I have some examples of when the 'Plex did actually work at: mp3.com/mikegeorgin --------------495577D87309023376C5BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Folks,
I'm looking for a little collective wisdom here. I've got my EDP synced to a Roland GrooveBox 505 and it generally works pretty well. The problem is that whenever I use more than one loop, the EDP doesn't stay synced. I've got it set on "Quantize" and this works just fine when I lay down my "A" loop. However, the EDP stops listening to the GrooveBox  as soon as I go to the "Nextloop". The problem is that as soon as I'm done recording my "B" loop, the EDP doesn't wait to hear another MIDI beat before it stops recording. The end result is that I may  record a great "A" loop that's in time but if I don't end my "B" loop at  precisely the right time, my loops will be out of sync with the GrooveBox. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike Georgin
p.s. I  have some examples of when the 'Plex did actually work at: mp3.com/mikegeorgin --------------495577D87309023376C5BF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 01:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28798; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.192] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Amy Denio Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:44:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2001 06:44:27.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[460A3140:01C07D2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw Amy Denio put on a solo concert, accompanying her own vocals with accordion and guitar. For her guitar set, she employed a DL4 in a simple, yet effective manner. I was going to say look out for her tour, but apparently she just flew here to the Tampa Bay, FL area - all the way from her home in Seattle - just for two shows (tonight and Saturday). After catching her act, I'm motivated to seek out her CDs - she is an impressive songwriter and vocalist (her instrumental musicianship is also very good) whose work reflects her stature as a true international musician - she sang one song in Czech and another in Italian. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 03:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30592; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A601187.764E3AE2@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:27:51 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amy Denio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny (to me) you mention Amy Denio. I was looking for some of her stuff here at San Francisco's Amoeba Music yesterday and didn't know where to start. The only CD I have with Amy on it is the EC nudes' "Vanishing Point" (where she plays bass, alto sax, accordion, and sings). I'll skip the part about how mind blowing that CD is and ask: recommendations? Thanks! Jim Poppen Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > I just saw Amy Denio put on a solo concert, accompanying her own vocals with > accordion and guitar. For her guitar set, she employed a DL4 in a simple, > yet effective manner. > > I was going to say look out for her tour, but apparently she just flew here > to the Tampa Bay, FL area - all the way from her home in Seattle - just for > two shows (tonight and Saturday). After catching her act, I'm motivated to > seek out her CDs - she is an impressive songwriter and vocalist (her > instrumental musicianship is also very good) whose work reflects her stature > as a true international musician - she sang one song in Czech and another in > Italian. > > Paolo > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 05:22:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32380; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:18:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:18:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 04:13:48 -0600 (CST) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amy Denio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the Idea that she was in Europe playing, if you had the chance dont miss her concerts with Harlan Lyman, awesome drummer, musician and person, I have played with him and I know they will be doing some gigs together in Italia soon... smaug On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I just saw Amy Denio put on a solo concert, accompanying her own vocals with > accordion and guitar. For her guitar set, she employed a DL4 in a simple, > yet effective manner. > > I was going to say look out for her tour, but apparently she just flew here > to the Tampa Bay, FL area - all the way from her home in Seattle - just for > two shows (tonight and Saturday). After catching her act, I'm motivated to > seek out her CDs - she is an impressive songwriter and vocalist (her > instrumental musicianship is also very good) whose work reflects her stature > as a true international musician - she sang one song in Czech and another in > Italian. > > Paolo > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 08:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01919; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:05:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101131304.IAA01890@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:59:02 +0100 Subject: Jamman + Footswitch From: "Frank Bilsen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks! I'm new to the list, and are planning to buy a Jamman (32 seconds version). Does anyone out there has one for sale? At what price they normally go? Does anyone has just the footswitch for sale or are there alternative footswitches that work? Thanks for your advice! Greetings from Holland, Frank Bilsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 08:34:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02357; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:31:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:31:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c07d65$1c64a260$7287abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Amy Denio Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep me informed about her Italian gigs. Thanx Luca. >----- Original Message ----- >From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO > I know they will be doing some gigs > together in Italia soon... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 08:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02457; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:36:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101131336.IAA02431@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:30:55 +0100 Subject: Echoplex or Jamman From: "Frank Bilsen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tell me... Echoplex or Jamman? Or is this an old topic? Any for sale? Frank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 09:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03045; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c07d68$e735afe0$c235e4d5@henle> Reply-To: "Nodapoc" From: "Nodapoc" To: References: <200101131336.IAA02431@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Yamaha DJX ? Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:58:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi ! Does anybody use the Yamaha DJX keyboard ? I'd like to know what users think about it, and especially details about how the sample function can be used.... Thanks for any comments. Nodapoc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 09:28:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03341; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:24:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:24:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c07d6c$eaccbc80$158d353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Cc: "loopers delight" Subject: Re: Amy Denio Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:27:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9jbLpD.A.D0.IUGY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out this site for some interesting work by Amy. This is a label in Ohio that put out some compilations on CD. http://www.purpleman.com/withoutfear/ -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Amy Denio >I just saw Amy Denio put on a solo concert, accompanying her own vocals with >accordion and guitar. For her guitar set, she employed a DL4 in a simple, >yet effective manner. > >I was going to say look out for her tour, but apparently she just flew here >to the Tampa Bay, FL area - all the way from her home in Seattle - just for >two shows (tonight and Saturday). After catching her act, I'm motivated to >seek out her CDs - she is an impressive songwriter and vocalist (her >instrumental musicianship is also very good) whose work reflects her stature >as a true international musician - she sang one song in Czech and another in >Italian. > >Paolo >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 12:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06614; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:20:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c07d85$82cd7840$e15dfea9@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <3A601187.764E3AE2@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Amy Denio Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:23:12 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can't go wrong with her Greatest Hits album, Amoeba should have it, or could get it. It's also on Amazon, CDNow, etc... Or you can always order from the label (me) http://www.unitcircle.com/catalog/ Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Poppen" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Amy Denio > Funny (to me) you mention Amy Denio. I was looking for some of her stuff > here at San Francisco's Amoeba Music yesterday and didn't know where to > start. The only CD I have with Amy on it is the EC nudes' "Vanishing > Point" (where she plays bass, alto sax, accordion, and sings). I'll skip > the part about how mind blowing that CD is and ask: recommendations? > > Thanks! > > Jim Poppen > > Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > > > I just saw Amy Denio put on a solo concert, accompanying her own vocals with > > accordion and guitar. For her guitar set, she employed a DL4 in a simple, > > yet effective manner. > > > > I was going to say look out for her tour, but apparently she just flew here > > to the Tampa Bay, FL area - all the way from her home in Seattle - just for > > two shows (tonight and Saturday). After catching her act, I'm motivated to > > seek out her CDs - she is an impressive songwriter and vocalist (her > > instrumental musicianship is also very good) whose work reflects her stature > > as a true international musician - she sang one song in Czech and another in > > Italian. > > > > Paolo > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 12:32:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06828; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c07d86$238b5f40$feaf1597@invisibleloop> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: EDP 4mb 30pin simms Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:27:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C07D8E.705328A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C07D8E.705328A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all ya loopers. I've got some problems to find 4Mb simms to expand my Oberheim EDP up to = full throttle. I have it expanded up to 50.3 secs, right now (I found = some 1Mb simms in an old broken 386 pc), but (apart from Gibson which in = Italy doesn't even seem to have the echoplex in their catalogue) I can't = find 4Mbs nowhere. If anyone there can help me, please let me know. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C07D8E.705328A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all ya loopers.
I've got some problems to find 4Mb = simms to expand=20 my Oberheim EDP up to full throttle. I have it expanded up to 50.3 secs, = right=20 now (I found some 1Mb simms in an old broken 386 pc), but (apart from = Gibson=20 which in Italy doesn't even seem to have the echoplex in their = catalogue) I=20 can't find 4Mbs nowhere. If anyone there can help me, please let me = know.
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C07D8E.705328A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 13:45:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08769; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Alexander Ryan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <61c34d7a.4d7a61c3@rsad.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:42:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Akai S-20 X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_WaS-D.A.vIC.AGKY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > uhh. the only way to seq. on the s20 is REALTIME. there is no > quantize or > step, or loop based recording... sorry, it is a pretty lame seq. > but for > your money the sample sounds great and is inexpensive to expand! > > tony Hrmmm... Do you know of any shareware sequencer for the PC? or, what is a feasable option for a sequencer on a $100 or less budget? Anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 13:49:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08879; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:46:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:46:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [200.52.17.12] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sing me out Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:44:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2001 18:44:57.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED00F740:01C07D90] Resent-Message-ID: <2NACT.A.PKC.GJKY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 13:51:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08998; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:49:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:49:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:48:54 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200101131848.NAA09334@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP 4mb 30pin simms Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try http:/www.crucial.com Click on "search by memory type", Select 30-pin simm They have Fast Page Mode, Unbuffered Non-Parity 4MB Simms. I think those will work in the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 14:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09640; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c07d92$b85be020$e9b71597@invisibleloop> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <61c34d7a.4d7a61c3@rsad.edu> Subject: Re: Akai S-20 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:57:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try on Digidesign.com - there's a free downloadable version of Protools 5.01, for Windows and Mac. It's freeware and works with almost every computer sound card. For Notation you can get from Coda Software their Finale Notepad - another freeware. If you want some more, just try the Tuareg , great for sequencing Drum parts. An all-in-one solution can be the Orion Pro 2. It is a great software. It contains drum modules, virtual synths, a virtual sampler, effects, and it is compatible with Dx and Vst effects and Vst2.0 virtual analog modules. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Ryan" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Akai S-20 > > > > > > uhh. the only way to seq. on the s20 is REALTIME. there is no > > quantize or > > step, or loop based recording... sorry, it is a pretty lame seq. > > but for > > your money the sample sounds great and is inexpensive to expand! > > > > tony > > > Hrmmm... > Do you know of any shareware sequencer for the PC? > or, what is a feasable option for a sequencer on a $100 or less budget? > Anyone? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 14:14:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09874; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:12:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:12:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: EDP 4mb 30pin simms Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200101131848.NAA09334@portal.studiodust.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another place to check out, albeit all of the sites are typically within the USA is that of http://www.pricewatch.com . At last go, it was a matter of finding SIMMs that were faster than either 90ms or 80ms(this is the easy part) and then making sure that you're 4MB'ers are all of the same type. While I still had mine I tried mixing and matching for both parity and non-parity on one of the Trace Elliot EDP's and found that parity tended to work a little more stably. Lee -----Original Message----- From: Floyd Miller [mailto:floyd@studiodust.com] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP 4mb 30pin simms Try http:/www.crucial.com Click on "search by memory type", Select 30-pin simm They have Fast Page Mode, Unbuffered Non-Parity 4MB Simms. I think those will work in the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 16:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12479; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:19:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:19:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:36:28 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Syncing with the EDP... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <077101c07da0$81facab0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_076E_01C07D6E.36A19E90" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3A5FE7C9.F64621E1@fuse.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_076E_01C07D6E.36A19E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm new to the echoplex, but i think if you use loopcopy with audio off, it copies only the time of the loop... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryn and Mike=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Syncing with the EDP... Hey Folks,=20 I'm looking for a little collective wisdom here. I've got my EDP = synced to a Roland GrooveBox 505 and it generally works pretty well. The = problem is that whenever I use more than one loop, the EDP doesn't stay = synced. I've got it set on "Quantize" and this works just fine when I = lay down my "A" loop. However, the EDP stops listening to the GrooveBox = as soon as I go to the "Nextloop". The problem is that as soon as I'm = done recording my "B" loop, the EDP doesn't wait to hear another MIDI = beat before it stops recording. The end result is that I may record a = great "A" loop that's in time but if I don't end my "B" loop at = precisely the right time, my loops will be out of sync with the = GrooveBox. Any ideas?=20 Thanks,=20 Mike Georgin=20 p.s. I have some examples of when the 'Plex did actually work at: = mp3.com/mikegeorgin=20 ------=_NextPart_000_076E_01C07D6E.36A19E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i'm new to the echoplex, but i think if you use = loopcopy with=20 audio off,
it copies only the time of the loop...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryn = and Mike=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 = 11:29=20 PM
Subject: Syncing with the = EDP...

Hey Folks,
I'm looking for a little collective = wisdom here.=20 I've got my EDP synced to a Roland GrooveBox 505 and it generally = works pretty=20 well. The problem is that whenever I use more than one loop, the EDP = doesn't=20 stay synced. I've got it set on "Quantize" and this works just fine = when I lay=20 down my "A" loop. However, the EDP stops listening to the = GrooveBox  as=20 soon as I go to the "Nextloop". The problem is that as soon as I'm = done=20 recording my "B" loop, the EDP doesn't wait to hear another MIDI beat = before=20 it stops recording. The end result is that I may  record a great = "A" loop=20 that's in time but if I don't end my "B" loop at  precisely the = right=20 time, my loops will be out of sync with the GrooveBox. Any ideas? =
Thanks,=20
Mike Georgin
p.s. I  have some examples of when the 'Plex = did=20 actually work at: mp3.com/mikegeorgin=20 ------=_NextPart_000_076E_01C07D6E.36A19E90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 16:37:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12965; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:31:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101132131.f0DLV7p03510@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Echoplex or Jamman Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA12938 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Old topic, get both, as well as the ´rang and the dl4,this are like Pokemon, you gotta have them all... Andy At 02:30 p.m. 13/01/01 +0100, you wrote: >Tell me... Echoplex or Jamman? Or is this an old topic? Any for sale? >Frank > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 17:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14180; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:11:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:11:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.145] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amy Denio Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:10:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2001 22:10:42.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB7F1320:01C07DAD] Resent-Message-ID: <5D-UsB.A.adD.FKNY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To be honest I don't know much about her, but I did learn about this website: http://www.amydenio.com She mentioned that one of her upcoming projects is playing with the band Kulture Shock which reportedly plays "Balkan music meets Metallica". This is on the website, as well as mention of a European tour and lotsa other stuff. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 18:47:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16432; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:44:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:44:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c07dba$ee8422c0$365d1440@being> From: "Philip Rampi-Green" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010109224708.00b1e7c0@mail.well.com> <3.0.5.32.20010112085251.00a70100@mail.well.com> Subject: Re: SsTtEeRrEeOo EDP SsYyNnCc issues...... Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:38:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did not intend to infer that Kim is - the devil - ! I was quoting Dr. Evil in a attempt to appropriately acknowledge - the devil - spoken of in the box.... Thank you all that are responding. It sounds like there is hope for dependable stereo loopage from my EDP's..... Kim, Please throw the bone(s) soon...... Philoop prgconsulting@prodigy.net > At 01:24 AM 1/12/01 -0600, Philip wrote: > >Thanks for the response Dan, > > > >Kim, are you out there....? Please throw me/us a frickin bone here ..... > >(not quit the devil, but I think Dr. Evil will do...). > > > whoah! the devil i was speaking of was the problem itself. Kim seems more > like Dr. Frankenstein to... > > :-) > > dan "throw me a bone" mcmullen > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 13 18:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16546; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:49:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:49:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:49:12 -0700 Subject: Amy Denio Info From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes yes! Amy Denio is a real favorite of mine. not only is she an AMAZING singer, but she writes some of the most beautiful melodies, plays accordion, guitar, bass, saxophone and in generally a wonderful person..... Check out her work with the Tone Dogs (CZ records out of Portland, OR)(This is my favorite of her work though the albums dont really reflect what the band sounded like live), she has some releases of solo work and her band "The Billy Tipton Memorial Sax Quartet" on Knitting Factory, there is also at least one release by the band Curlew that has Amy singing, the album "Wise to the heat" by the Pale Nudes (also known as the EC Nudes) features her singing and songwriting and accordion, and is a great starting place for those not familiar with her work, Unit Circle Media has put out an Amy Denio "greatest hits" CD which I know is available, there is also a new CD by the European group Die Knodel that features Amy on vocals and various instruments. There are many many more... and my very favorite of her releases are cassettes released on her own Spoot Music back in the late 80s which are absolutely amazing work with a simple 4 track cassette deck and amy on all voice and instruments (relatively experimental compared to some of the others mentioned). Again, there are many more. I know you can find some of this stuff even at Amazon.com. Also check the Unit Circle website and Knitting Factory website. If anyone were to want to respond to me about this posting, please do it directly to my email as I do not get a chance every day to read this list. Vance ================================== ================================== Vance Galloway adVanced Media Systems Immersive New Media Services/Development/Consulting/Integration vanceg@earthlink.net 206 650-5876 (mobile) ================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 00:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25251; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c07ded$71dffe00$2189e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: "Loopers Delight" , "CT-COLLECTIVE" References: <001101c07dec$6dad4640$2189e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:47:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I'm proud to announce: rick walker and the rio theater presents the world's first SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL tuesday, january 23rd RIO THEATER SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA a free concert to the public featuring: from England, bassist extraordinaire STEVE LAWSON "Steve's music is filled with grace and passion. Although he is certainly a virtuoso, that's beside the point.This is simply beautiful moving music." - Michael Manring (solo bass artist) from Oakland, California SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN from Tehachipi, Ca. MAX VALENTINO from Santa Cruz, Ca. (on chapman stick) TREY DONOVAN from Santa Cruz, Ca. (on prepared bass) Loop.pooL concert starts at 8:00 p.m. and is located at the traffic light at Seabright Avenue and Soquel Avenue in Santa Cruz, California Please check out the SOLO BASS NETWORK www.solobassnetwork.org.uk later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 07:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32456; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:03:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:03:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010801c07e21$e041c0c0$1481e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101120740.CAA28423@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Busking and Physical Acoustic Looping Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:02:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Travis wrote: I don't know how cognizant the typical listener was that I was looping, unless they were watching really closely, but the performances went okay. One thing I've tried to do. Rick Walker replied: For what it is worth, rather than trying to hide my looping process, I have started, in recent concerts, to actually take a second out and call attention to the technology that I am using and give a quick demonstration of it. I have found that audiences are really interested in the process. I had always been afraid that they might think it was 'cheating' and was suprised the first time I got a favorable reaction. I now try never to take for granted what the audience knows about what I am doing. Another thing that I have incorporated into my performances is carrying along a large bag of blue bottles and a bag of those fisher price toy apples that have chimes in them (I've been collecting them for several years at the flea market: top price $2/apiece);handing them out and then getting an audience member to come up and 'conduct' the audience. By waving there hands up and down (volume) and side to side (creating a wave like at football games) I enjoin the audience to help me create acoustic loops or ambiances that I record with two condenser mics (without monitoring) and incorporate into the piece. I've also sampled the crowds making 'sssssssssss' sounds and 'shhhhhhhhhhh' sounds which I loop (with the volume off) and later bring into a rhythmic industrial spring piece that I do. I can then bring up the volume, mute it suddenly or mute on and off or radical change the e.q. of the noise source with e.q. kill (performed manually on my bass, mid and treble buttons on my mackie mixer). I've also taught my audiences how to create simple overtone singing by going very slowly from the 'ER' sound to the 'EEE' sound at one pitch (about five harmonics in between those two sounds) and, again, gotten an audience member to conduct them while I do a looping piece based on overtone singing. When a whole crowd does this (the far left is 'ERRR', the far right is 'EEEE') you can really distinctly hear the overtones created even though each individual person is not yet able to make the sounds real distinctly. It creates a beautiful and eery effect. I've found that audiences love to participate and that they can frequently do many more sophisticated things if you challenge them than one would ever think possible. Ever since I saw Peter Gabriel ask an audience to put there hands in the air during his song "Lay your Hands On Me" and then proceed to walk out over the audience (ON TOP OF THEIR OUTSTRETCHED HANDS) while he continued singing, I have vowed to ask things of my audience. It really pays off in the intimacy that is created between audience and performer. And I perform really abstact shows at times, music that would normally be considered to 'challenging' for a normal audience. I've even done this at First Night performances where there is a range from little kids to grandparents. I had this one woman come up to me and say, "I am 80 years old and I thought you were crazy when you first started your show. Now, I think it's the most beautiful thing I've heard in many years". I nearly started crying when she told me that. later, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 10:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02411; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:59:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c07e39$8ae0d540$b2ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #199 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #199 January 11, 2001. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mind~Flux, a.k.a. Thomas Fanger and Michael Kersten. The feature CD at Midnight was their CD "Script" on the Manikin label. The first track of tonight's program was one of Tina Peschke's favorite em tracks. Mind~Flux http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus01.html#jan ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm wEirD Manuel Gearchange A Different Kind of Normal (Neu Harmony) Lambert Pearls Pearls (Spheric Music) VA [EDP] Under the Red Line ambient01@hyperreal (none) Palantir The Empire of Illusions The Empire of Illusions (Spheric Music) Braun,Broekuis,Keller Final Beats project inter.com (Manikin) Robert Rich Oak Spirits * Sunyata (Hypnos) 12:00 am Fanger & Kersten Blue Crossroad Script (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Alone in Central Park Script (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Between Blue and Green Script (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Divers Paradise Script (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Five Seasons Script (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Deja Vu * Script (Manikin) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Fanger and Kersten a.k.a. Mind~Flux. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Konception of Space" on the IC/Digit label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 12:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05495; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:35:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:35:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200101131304.IAA01890@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200101131304.IAA01890@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:27:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jamman + Footswitch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frank, Keep your eyes open...The Jamman's appear on ebay occassionally, and you might try some older mom and pop music stores/pawn shops...Some of them still have units that are collecting dust and no one figured out what they were. The going price for an upgraded unit (32 sec) seems to float between $300 and $700 US here in the States. Roland makes some footswitches (FSU switches, i think?) that will work in conjunction with some splitter cables. For example, you would use two FSU switches with a trs Y splitter cable into the Jammie. Then you would use two more with the same setup for the 'function' jack. I haven't tried this for several years, so i'm a little fuzzy on the specifics...A Midi foot controller is definitely the way to go if you want to take advantage of the Jammie's more advanced functions. The unit seems to be more intuitive and flexible with such a setup. I would sell you mine, but i'm hanging on to it for sentimental reasons (and the fact that it just plain works well), and until i can see the Electrix Repeater and get my greasy little fingers on the buttons and try it out. If it does half of what it says it will do, my other Jammie may end up on ebay again. I sold my last one for $710 on ebay. Ouch. Someone has more expendable income than i do, for sure... welcome to the list! rich >Hi Folks! > >I'm new to the list, and are planning to buy a Jamman (32 seconds version). >Does anyone out there has one for sale? >At what price they normally go? >Does anyone has just the footswitch for sale or are there alternative >footswitches that work? >Thanks for your advice! Greetings from Holland, > >Frank Bilsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 13:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06207; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c07e54$87f97880$27b86fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <001101c07dec$6dad4640$2189e3a5@poo> <002501c07ded$71dffe00$2189e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: Odd time signatures. Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:04:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (In dick van Dyke cocknet accent) Cor lummy I didn't half get myself in a twist the other day. I started recording me drums into an 8 second loop, like you do. And missitimed the friggin thing. I made the best of a bad job and struggled through, like you do. Anyway I happened to be recording this and while when I was playing I could't make head nor tail of the bleedin thing - when I played the recording back it was in 17/16 ! Lummy you could have knocked me down with a feather........ Gareth, (feeling a bit funny after all that) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 13:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06770; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:16:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:16:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101141815.NAA06738@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:18:10 +0100 Subject: fun list From: "The Music Lab" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich, K and all ya loopers! Just a short word to thank you for your advice on my newbie questions about Jammen, footswitches, Oberheim etc. This really seems to be a fun list. Glad I've found it. Greetings from Amsterdam, Frank From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 13:56:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07419; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:53:19 -0800 Subject: Gig spam (Seattle, WA): Electrochakra at the Lava Lounge, Sunday 1/17/01 8PM From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA07381 Resent-Message-ID: <6LoKSB.A.uzB.kWfY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are some of you who missed last night's show at the Seattle Glassblowing Studio. You'll be kicking yourself for years at that colossal blunder, but partial redemption is available tonight, Sunday, January 14th, at the Lava Lounge (2226 2nd Avenue), between 8 and 11PM, where Electrochakra will once again present the people's music to the people in yet another bar with a tropical theme. However, unlike the famed Hurricane, this place isn¹t a noisy smoke-filled bar full of junkies on the make. Our brand new CD will also be available for purchase. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 15:50:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09792; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c07e6b$24ca1dc0$6587abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: EDP and unwanted noises Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:40:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, since a few days my edp is knowing new noises (some I didn't ask for). I tried to make some proofs: input completely closed>record>stop>overdub here it comes the noise: it is a low bump that comes at the pushing of the overdub and stays in the loop. If I undo the noise goes away. This is what happens after having swithced off and on again; before doing this the same "bump" was also when record>stop. Sorry to bore you, if there is a specific argument on LD's archive, please tell me the path. Thanx Luca. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 17:19:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11981; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:17:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c07e6b$24ca1dc0$6587abd4@a6d4z2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:16:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP and unwanted noises Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi, >since a few days my edp is knowing new noises (some I didn't ask for). >I tried to make some proofs: >input completely closed>record>stop>overdub here it comes the noise: it is a >low bump that comes at the pushing of the overdub and stays in the loop. >If I undo the noise goes away. >This is what happens after having swithced off and on again; before doing >this the same "bump" was also when record>stop. >Sorry to bore you, if there is a specific argument on LD's archive, please >tell me the path. > >Thanx >Luca. you need to readjust the dc offset, which is easy to do and has been explained before: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199911/msg00486.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 19:03:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14614; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:58:28 -0600 Subject: Where to buy EDP? From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know this has probably been posted a lot of times and I have checked the archives, but I am new to this list and was wondering where I might find a new EDP these days and what the going prices are. I would probably consider a used one, but I don't want to get caught up in the excessive ebay prices. Thanks, Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 20:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16510; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A5FE7C9.F64621E1@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:54:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Syncing with the EDP... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:29 PM -0800 1/12/01, Bryn and Mike wrote: > Hey Folks, >I'm looking for a little collective wisdom here. I've got my EDP synced to >a Roland GrooveBox 505 and it generally works pretty well. The problem is >that whenever I use more than one loop, the EDP doesn't stay synced. I've >got it set on "Quantize" and this works just fine when I lay down my "A" >loop. However, the EDP stops listening to the GrooveBox as soon as I go >to the "Nextloop". The problem is that as soon as I'm done recording my >"B" loop, the EDP doesn't wait to hear another MIDI beat before it stops >recording. The end result is that I may record a great "A" loop that's in >time but if I don't end my "B" loop at precisely the right time, my loops >will be out of sync with the GrooveBox. Any ideas? >Thanks, >Mike Georgin What you are trying to do should work just fine. It's hard for me to guess what you are doing wrong, since you didn't say enough about how you have things configured and the exact actions you are doing. I even tried a whole bunch of odd ways to switch loops and record, with various parameter settings, and it always did the right thing. I couldn't replicate your problem. Do you have the LoopIIIv5.0 software? (the latest version...I know that does the right thing.) You say you have Quantize on, but what you really want is SwitchQuantize on. Is it? That quantizes loop switching and you probably want it on for this sort of application. Do you have AutoRecord or LoopCopy on? How are you starting and stopping the record going to the second loop? There are ways to force recording to start and stop out of sync by pressing it again during the time it waits for the sync pulse, could you be doing that? Do you have the echoplex and groovebox set to different midi channels? They should be different, as the groovebox could be sending out midi that is inadvertantly controlling the echoplex. Keeping them on different channels would prevent that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 21:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17007; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:59:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:59:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:58:31 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: taking a loop apart Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200101142058_MC2-C1C4-71B3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA16979 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which machine lets me take my loops apart? In other words: when I play something, and then play over it, and then add yet another part, I want to be able to deconstruct the loop again, have each of these loops as separate tracks ... I know my Line 6 doesn´t do that, does the Jamman? Or the Repeater, or the EDP? Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 21:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17364; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A5BEB33.36EE@hevanet.com.> References: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> <3A5A15E6.1DFF@hevanet.com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:20:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop termination question! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:55 PM -0800 1/9/01, david auker wrote: >"A re-submission - attention EDP experts!" > >On page 4-52 of the EDP User's Guide: > >"If you're recording, NextLoop will terminate recording but will not >advance you to the next loop." > >It's not working that way for me. > >AutoRecord is on. NextLoop gets me there, I dub, and then, instead of >NextLoop simply terminating recording, I'm sent on to the NEXT loop to >start recording THERE. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, >but its 'second function' of termination isn't happening. > >Thanks for any sound advice, like maybe a parameter I need to adjust to >achieve termination w/NextLoop? > >David Hi David- I'm not sure from what you've said how exactly it is that you are getting it to do that. What you say it is doing is actually one of the more requested changes we've received! In any case, you can always end the record in the new loop in the usual way, by pressing Record. Then it will immediately loop that sample. (and when the next software version comes out, you will be used to it working that way....) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 21:36:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17825; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:34:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:34:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1010108150147.5544d31.d105b304.ASIP6.3.1.54440@shop.westworld.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:33:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: next loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:50 PM -0800 1/8/01, Tom De Vries wrote: >Hi, I am pretty new to this whole process, I just got an EDP and I am not >really a pro. I play the guitar and hope to use it as a "second" guitar so >I can play some solos, etc. over what I have already laid down. > >This post was just sent to the list... > >On page 4-52 of the EDP User's Guide: > >"If you're recording, NextLoop will terminate recording but will not >advance you to the next loop." > >It's not working that way for me. > >AutoRecord is on. NextLoop gets me there, I dub, and then, instead of >NextLoop simply terminating recording, I'm sent on to the NEXT loop to >start recording THERE. Like, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing, >but its 'second function' of termination isn't happening. > >Thanks for any sound advice, > >David > > >My question is......the way the manual states it, IS working for me. When I >start recording in a loop, and hit NextLoop, it terminates the recording. I >would like to have happen what David is describing above. I.E. I would >like to terminate recording one loop by starting another. Is this possible? > >The reason for this would be to create a couple loops, say a verse and a >chorus, the first time through a song, and then be able to play over top of >them the second time through the song, and be able to repeat a chorus more >than once, etc. > >David, I am not sure what to say, I just got my EDP and it does seem to be >terminating as described in the manual.... > Hi Tom- We are planning to do that change for the next software version. There is a way to do what you want using midi for loop triggering. When you are recording in a loop and trigger another loop with the appropriate midi note, it will end the record and immediately jump to the one you want. This will do what you are looking for, and is actually a much more flexible way to do it than just using the NextLoop button. This is in the echoplex FAQ, in the section on multiple loops: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 21:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18719; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:51:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A626761.1CEC@hevanet.com.> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:58:41 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP NextLoop termination question! References: <20010108050316.81814.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> <3A5A15E6.1DFF@hevanet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, You said: > In any case, you can always end the record in the new loop in the usual > way, by pressing Record. Then it will immediately loop that sample. (and > when the next software version comes out, you will be used to it working > that way....) Yeah, that seems to work just fine. I'm using the EDP footpedal, and RECORD is just as easy to tap as NEXT LOOP, both being on the edges. Thanks for tending the flock! Dav From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 23:42:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21267; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:39:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:39:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6281BD.B29C71D5@puma.att.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:51:09 -0500 From: mhunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alto music in Middletown, NY has them. I just got mine. They shipped it to me after I paid via credit card. Nice people there too! Go to ALTO music on the web at www.atomusic.com or call them at (845) 692-6922. They told me that they ordered a bunch... Check it out... MH Steve Ginn wrote: > I know this has probably been posted a lot of times and I have checked the > archives, but I am new to this list and was wondering where I might find a > new EDP these days and what the going prices are. I would probably consider > a used one, but I don't want to get caught up in the excessive ebay prices. > > Thanks, > > Steve Ginn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 14 23:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21386; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:42:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A62828F.333CC635@puma.att.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:54:39 -0500 From: mhunter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loop Subject: EDP I just purchased... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It seems that my EDP came with the full complement of memory already it it... Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? MH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 00:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22415; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:10:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:10:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <56.5e1d585.2793e01b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:09:47 EST Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 01-01-14 23:42:16 EST, you write: << Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? >> it was an awful mistake.........you will have to ship it to me so i can remove some of the memory.........thank you very much.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 00:49:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23020; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:46:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:46:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:46:17 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loop Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... In-Reply-To: <3A62828F.333CC635@puma.att.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, mhunter wrote: > It seems that my EDP came with the full complement of memory already it > it... > > Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? > > MH > > Gibson's site says it's supposed to come with with only 50 seconds. Consider yourself lucky, my Oberheim only came with 12 seconds. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 01:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23242; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:56:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:56:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:55:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <16Iy2B.A.yqF.AEpY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so cal gig spamHello-- It's me again. Well, I said I'd go see the people who were playing in the area, so I went to see Steuart at the Knitting Factory. I expected music. I heard nothing but self indulgent noise. Self congratulatory posturing. I spent good money to be entertained, and check out a fellow looper. Now, I believe Steuart can play. I just didn't get a chance to hear any music. The bad part was, we went to the Getty Museum earlier in the day, and saw art. Real art. The art we experienced at the Knitting Factory was basically crap. I noodle. Hey loopers--we all noodle. This was crap. I stayed until near what I certainly hope was the end. No time, no melody (although there was some singing--gotta give credit where credit is due--both female vocalists were capable of singing--but except for Ann's song about her cat and Anna's glossolalia--no melody) and, hey Steuart, virtually no looping. Very much the Emperor's new art. Gary Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, mo' gig spam . . . Sunday, Jan. 14th 7:30 p.m. (doors open 7) Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory 7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00 in order of appearance: Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?). Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy) Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied tools/technology/loopage) [We go on at around 9] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 01:47:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24309; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:46:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:46:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c07ebe$c25dff40$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <56.5e1d585.2793e01b@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:45:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The required memory is dirt cheap- no need to go without- c ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:09 PM Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... > In a message dated 01-01-14 23:42:16 EST, you write: > > << Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? >> > > it was an awful mistake.........you will have to ship it to me so i can > remove some of the memory.........thank you very much.........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 02:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25499; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 02:42:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A62828F.333CC635@puma.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:40:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:54 PM -0800 1/14/01, mhunter wrote: >It seems that my EDP came with the full complement of memory already it >it... > >Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? > >MH That's the way they ship the echoplex now. The full 16MB/198seconds is installed at the factory, so there is no need for people to bother doing their own memory upgrades anymore. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 04:34:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27921; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:29:25 +0000 Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, I can see that you obviously didn't enjoy watching Stuart's band. the problem as I see it with a review like this is that it's without context - I've not seen any posts from you that spell out what you do like, which would help us to evaluate what you don't, if you see what I mean. For those of us reading this, we could interpret your review as 1) the informed opinion of a critic well versed in the musical currency of Stuart's band, 2) the rather common experience of many people when encountering aggressive free improv not based on melody or conventional harmony, 3)somewhere between the two... This is not intended to invalidate your opinions, just to suggest that we are all careful that there is context in our critique, and I would usually recommend as a course of action giving the artist the benefit of the doubt - I tend to be reticent to write off a particular performance or artist unless there appears to be a wealth of information in favour of my opinion from other people who are knowledgeable about what the artist is 'trying' to do and are able to critique their ability to reach those goals. Of course, this is art not science so even then there are things that I like that get villified everywhere and vice versa things I hate that lots of people I respect love. I've not heard Stuart's music, so I'm certainly not trying to suggest that your opinion is ill-informed, but I very much doubt that a bunch of bluffers with no idea would get regular repeat booking at the Knitting Factory, so they must be doing something right. I went to see Derek Bailey play recently (very free noise guitarist) - I hated it, I've heard other things he's done and liked them, but this was as far as I could tell, shite. I had a couple of friends there who really enjoyed it, so I'm more than happy to concede that it's just that I didn't get it on that night... harsh critique of independant musicians should be handled with care - you can drastically affect their career without even knowing it, if you're not careful. I would tend to reserve such moments for people who are actually doing something that was anti-art rather than those who's music was inaccessable to me. To write off their performance as 'the emperors new art' could be incredibly hurtful if they are drastically trying to chase their muse and not bow to commercial pressure, so such critique is quite vitriolic and powerful prosaic ammunition... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk > From: "Gary Lehmann" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:55:31 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:56:16 -0500 > > so cal gig spamHello-- > It's me again. Well, I said I'd go see the people who were playing in the > area, so I went to see Steuart at the Knitting Factory. > I expected music. I heard nothing but self indulgent noise. Self > congratulatory posturing. I spent good money to be entertained, and check > out a fellow looper. Now, I believe Steuart can play. I just didn't get a > chance to hear any music. > The bad part was, we went to the Getty Museum earlier in the day, and saw > art. Real art. The art we experienced at the Knitting Factory was > basically crap. > I noodle. Hey loopers--we all noodle. This was crap. > I stayed until near what I certainly hope was the end. No time, no melody > (although there was some singing--gotta give credit where credit is > due--both female vocalists were capable of singing--but except for Ann's > song about her cat and Anna's glossolalia--no melody) and, hey Steuart, > virtually no looping. > Very much the Emperor's new art. > Gary > Original Message ----- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:03 AM > Subject: so cal gig spam > howdy, mo' gig spam . . . > Sunday, Jan. 14th 7:30 p.m. (doors open 7) > Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory > 7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00 > in order of appearance: > Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?). > Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy) > Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied > tools/technology/loopage) > [We go on at around 9] > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 05:40:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29117; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:36:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:36:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-id: <1010115034715.122b7b2.d105b304.ASIP6.3.1.74355@shop.westworld.ca> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:36:18 -0700 Subject: Re: next loop From: "Tom De Vries" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Kim (and others on the list) Thanks so much for the response, I appreciate your feedback. I've only had the EDP for about a week now and already I am finding MOST of what I would like to do is really easy and a lot of fun. I'm trying to keep things simple so I will probably stick with the EDP foot switch and wait for the software revision. So the idea for the revision would be to have the NextLoop button always go the the NextLoop? I'm totally new at this but this would work well for what I was hoping to do... For now, it's an awesome machine, and it's been amazingly fun to work with it and I'm really looking forward to using it more. Thanks again for your response, Tom ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: next loop >Date: Sun, Jan 14, 2001, 7:33 PM > >>My question is......the way the manual states it, IS working for me. When I >>start recording in a loop, and hit NextLoop, it terminates the recording. I would >>like to terminate recording one loop by starting another. Is this possible? >> >>The reason for this would be to create a couple loops, say a verse and a >>chorus, the first time through a song, and then be able to play over top of >>them the second time through the song, and be able to repeat a chorus more >>than once, etc. >> > >Hi Tom- > >We are planning to do that change for the next software version. There is a >way to do what you want using midi for loop triggering. When you are >recording in a loop and trigger another loop with the appropriate midi >note, it will end the record and immediately jump to the one you want. This >will do what you are looking for, and is actually a much more flexible way >to do it than just using the NextLoop button. > >This is in the echoplex FAQ, in the section on multiple loops: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html > >kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 05:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29365; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.42.94.154] From: "Saybolt" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:52:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 10:48:32.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3DBBB70:01C07EE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So it appears that Steuart Lied big, Stephen was the Good man in being supportive, and Gary thought the show to be Lehm, man. Fascinating. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Lehmann To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > so cal gig spamHello-- > It's me again. Well, I said I'd go see the people who were playing in the > area, so I went to see Steuart at the Knitting Factory. > I expected music. I heard nothing but self indulgent noise. Self > congratulatory posturing. I spent good money to be entertained, and check > out a fellow looper. Now, I believe Steuart can play. I just didn't get a > chance to hear any music. > The bad part was, we went to the Getty Museum earlier in the day, and saw > art. Real art. The art we experienced at the Knitting Factory was > basically crap. > I noodle. Hey loopers--we all noodle. This was crap. > I stayed until near what I certainly hope was the end. No time, no melody > (although there was some singing--gotta give credit where credit is > due--both female vocalists were capable of singing--but except for Ann's > song about her cat and Anna's glossolalia--no melody) and, hey Steuart, > virtually no looping. > Very much the Emperor's new art. > Gary Original Message ----- >>From: Goodman, Stephen >>To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >>Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:13 PM >>Subject: Re: so cal gig spam >>Go for it Stu! Sorry I'm not there to go. >>Stephen Goodman >>http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! >>http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! >>http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! >>> Original Message ----- >>> From: Liebig, Steuart A. >>> To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 10:03 AM >>>Subject: so cal gig spam >>> howdy, mo' gig spam . . . >>> Sunday, Jan. 14th 7:30 p.m. (doors open 7) >>> Alterknit Lounge at the Knitting Factory >>> 7021 Hollywood Blvd., $10.00 >>> in order of appearance: >>>Joseph Hammer (of Solid Eye) solo electronics/synth (?). >>> Ann Perich (performance artist who plays in Guitar Boy) >>> Anna Homler (voice, toys, loopage)/Steuart Liebig (basses, applied >>> tools/technology/loopage) >>> [We go on at around 9] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 06:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30451; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:36:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A627372.E55@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:50:10 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saybolt wrote: > > So it appears that Steuart Lied big, Stephen was the Good man in being > supportive, and Gary thought the show to be Lehm, man. Fascinating. This is the greatest sentence (well, two sentences) I've seen on this list in ages. Good grief, Charlie Brown. Just to add in my quick comments regarding Gary's review of Steuart's gig: I wasn't there, but I have heard Steuart play in the past, in both "free" mode and more conventional situations (if you can call backing up David Fiuczykski's fretless guitar "conventional") and I was very impressed on each occasion. I'm not a huge disciple of the free-jazz/avante-garde/noise/whatever movement. But I'm definitely no stranger to it either, and Steuart and his local colleagues have always struck me as eminently musical and listenable in their approach. I certainly won't say that Gary's wrong for not having personally enjoyed the gig, but I am curious as to the extent that he tends towards that side of the musical spectrum. What do you say, Gary? Finally (and I mention this merely as an afterthought), I have to wonder how much of the art Gary saw at the Getty that afternoon went unappreciated or misunderstood in the era in which it was made... Anyway. Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Andre LaFosse is an astonishing guitarist of a very different ilk. Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO magazine, May 2000) "For electric guitar enthusiasts everywhere, this one's essential." (Alternative Press magazine, September 2000) "Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose' Magazine, October 2000) "Disruption Theory is one of the best guitar albums I've ever heard." (Outburn magazine #12) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 07:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31118; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:00:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:00:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I appreciated the honesty that Gary showed- I wish more reviews were that honest. I don't think it is necessary to have a background on the artist to critique them, the critic (or looping fan, in this case) knows what he/she likes based on their own musical experience. I know I (and most other people) can listen to a CD/live music by an unfamiliar group and give an opinion. He just happened to type his out. Personally, I am not a fan of the 'I am so avant and out there' music, so it was interesting to see someone type out something which resembles the conversation I may have while watching a concert of this kind.. Remember, Stu did post his show to the list (so perhaps someone would go and talk about it later?). Bad reviews come with the territory- I have gotten a few. The will of any type of artist will win over the feelings generated by a bad review. Lets at least be thankful the avant/noise fans out there haven't yet screamed 'you just don't get it, man!' Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Gary, > > I can see that you obviously didn't enjoy watching Stuart's band. the > problem as I see it with a review like this is that it's without context - > I've not seen any posts from you that spell out what you do like, which > would help us to evaluate what you don't, if you see what I mean. > For those > of us reading this, we could interpret your review as 1) the informed > opinion of a critic well versed in the musical currency of > Stuart's band, 2) > the rather common experience of many people when encountering aggressive > free improv not based on melody or conventional harmony, > 3)somewhere between > the two... > > This is not intended to invalidate your opinions, just to suggest that we > are all careful that there is context in our critique, and I would usually > recommend as a course of action giving the artist the benefit of > the doubt - > I tend to be reticent to write off a particular performance or > artist unless > there appears to be a wealth of information in favour of my opinion from > other people who are knowledgeable about what the artist is 'trying' to do > and are able to critique their ability to reach those goals. Of > course, this > is art not science so even then there are things that I like that get > villified everywhere and vice versa things I hate that lots of people I > respect love. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 08:35:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32427; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A628ED4.5B77@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:46:59 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <54IlzC.A.h6H.ovvY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, an actual philosophical thread on LD. This is like the old days! future perfect wrote: > > I appreciated the honesty that Gary showed- I wish more reviews were that > honest. I don't think it is necessary to have a background on the artist to > critique them, the critic (or looping fan, in this case) knows what he/she > likes based on their own musical experience. I know I (and most other > people) can listen to a CD/live music by an unfamiliar group and give an > opinion. He just happened to type his out. Dave (and Gary... and others), I don't have any problem with people expressing their opinions, favorable or otherwise. I do have a couple of comments to add, however: 1) It's one thing to say, "I didn't like that." It's another thing to say, "That was fundamentally bad music." It's yet another thing to say (or imply), "I didn't like that, therefore it was fundamentally bad music." I don't know if this last statement was what Gary intended, but his review did carry with it that implication (to my mind, anyway). 2) A lot of the most accomplished and respected musicians in the "new music" realm, whether Ornette Colemean, Cecil Taylor, Derek Bailey, Glen Branca, Nels Cline, or whoever, tend to get written off as unmusical noisemongers by people who aren't into that realm. Gary doesn't have to like this sort of music in order to voice his opinion, of course. But an uninformed opinion, in ANY type of music, doesn't offer much of a dialogue to latch onto. As you say, it may not be necessary to know an artist or their context in order to critique them. But what's the purpose of the critique if it exists without any sort of context? What does it accomplish? OK, so we know one guy didn't dig a show. I'd be more interested in knowing what Gary's background in that music is, and how his reaction to Steuart's gig figures into that, BECAUSE it will lend some context to what he's saying. And again, Gary's post wasn't just, "I didn't like this." It was, "I didn't like this, these people were charlatans, the music was fundamentally bad, they ripped me off with self-congratulatory posturing." If someone's going to make judgement calls like that, then I want to know where they're coming from. > Personally, I am not a fan of > the 'I am so avant and out there' music, This comment reminds me of something Charlie Haden said with regards to his time with Ornette Coleman. Charlie's comment was (this is a paraphrase): "We weren't trying to play stuff that was deliberately of calculatedly out there. We were just playing what we heard, what we wanted to play." And finally: I noticed in Gary's review that he bemoaned the absence of time and melody. Seems to me that this is the sort of thing a lot of people would say about a performance of looping music... Anyway. Respect to all, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com P.S. -- You just don't get it, man! ;-} From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 09:37:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01146; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:35:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8304B3F17@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:33:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <1KfZLD.A.jR._pwY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow! wish i could be there! best wishes jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:47 PM To: Loopers Delight; CT-COLLECTIVE Subject: Re: SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL Hi everybody, I'm proud to announce: rick walker and the rio theater presents the world's first SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL tuesday, january 23rd RIO THEATER SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA a free concert to the public featuring: from England, bassist extraordinaire STEVE LAWSON "Steve's music is filled with grace and passion. Although he is certainly a virtuoso, that's beside the point.This is simply beautiful moving music." - Michael Manring (solo bass artist) from Oakland, California SCOTT KUNGHA DRENGSEN from Tehachipi, Ca. MAX VALENTINO from Santa Cruz, Ca. (on chapman stick) TREY DONOVAN from Santa Cruz, Ca. (on prepared bass) Loop.pooL concert starts at 8:00 p.m. and is located at the traffic light at Seabright Avenue and Soquel Avenue in Santa Cruz, California Please check out the SOLO BASS NETWORK www.solobassnetwork.org.uk later, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 10:54:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03092; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:50:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:50:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A631AF2.12EA01E9@magi.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:44:51 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP I just purchased... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4qWKSC.A.rv.zvxY6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just received my edp a couple of weeks ago, It was fully loaded as well. Dave spaceloop wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, mhunter wrote: > > > It seems that my EDP came with the full complement of memory already it > > it... > > > > Did I get lucky or is this the way they are shipped? > > > > MH > > > > > > Gibson's site says it's supposed to come with with only 50 seconds. > Consider yourself lucky, my Oberheim only came with 12 seconds. > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 11:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03908; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:11:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c07f0d$8500d2e0$ea0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> Subject: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance) Longer than I would like Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:09:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your replies. I appreciate these sorts of responses; they are certainly as thoughtful as my pained initial posting. Sorry if I did not make my position clear. I will try to be brief and still give more information. I have not specialized in avant-garde "music". It's swell--I understand about modern music having run out of innovations due to all the "good" stuff having already been used. I am positive, however, that I can recognize art which transcends. Like many have said, there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. The first act was a fellow hunkered over what appeared to be an old style answering machine which used cassette tapes. And he was playing back multiple loops of various prepared sounds, and he was slowing it down, and he was speeding it up, and he was hunkering down, and it was simultaneously boring and disconcerting. It could hardly be considered music and it was not what I would consider performance. Next up was a woman with dreadlocks in a wedding dress, and she entered while pretending to play guitar along to a prerecorded performance. I play guitar and so does she--she mimed real good--but it wasn't live. She then played a few songs on various instruments, including a Casiotone (I'm guessing) and a distortion-laden dulcimer (an instrumental which invoked the Close Encounters theme) and sang. Closer to my liking, but still sort of amateur night quality. Guess this was an informal avante-garde evening. Still no looping, although she did use echo on her voice. At this point I will point out that I was there to see people using the technology I have come to take for granted, to investigate what my place in the scene can be. I can play a lot of different "styles", and if someone needed me to avoid the obvious, I can do that. But my tastes run toward the more consonant, and so unbeknownst to me, I had just viewed the closest performance to my liking without knowing it. So then on comes the headliner. The woman who sang with Steuart is the orga nizer of the three Sunday night performances, so he was accompanying her. I have been in the role of accompanist a few times, so I can appreciate his situation. He supported her with what she desired, while she sang in a foreign language thru various toys and/or rattled toys; generated noise, in general (I think this is an accurate description--I'm certain it was her intent), so his role was that of companion noisemaker. She made me think of Yoko Ono. I would have killed for Cecil Taylor or Ornette Coleman at this point. Eric Dolphy would have been a joy. Just somebody playing SOMETHING that resembled a passionate performance to stir emotions other than dismay at being swindled out of time and money that is at a premium as I am trying to relocate after 20 years of playing music for a living in San Diego. Now, check it out, people. The fact that I have been a "commercial" musician, that is, one who plays recognizable music for the enjoyment of the barely listening, means that I have a certain sensibility. Perhaps something of a caveat was in order in Steuart's posting, something like, "This is an evening of cutting edge, avante-garde performance art." That was the description on the flyers on the table. I am sure that many who hear my attempts to use the music tools/toys I have accumulated could have a similar reaction to my performance. That's why I am judicious in their incorporation. My work is probably way too mundane for the people in that room. I just try to do what I think is appropriate. I am truly sorry if I went where I should not have, i.e. Hollywood Knitting Factory. But I want this technology, and let me be specific--I want the use of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better understood and more accepted. It is important to me. I went looking for that. What I found made me upset to have been misled, if not defrauded. This did not seem to be a looping performance. If I posted gig spam and someone came to see me, I would feel obligated to feature looping. Thanks again for your time. I am grateful that there is some discussion of this and not just a reaction to my rudeness. You guys are a bunch of swell fellows. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saybolt" To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:52 AM Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > So it appears that Steuart Lied big, Stephen was the Good man in being > supportive, and Gary thought the show to be Lehm, man. Fascinating. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Lehmann > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > > bla bla bla I hated it etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 11:19:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03996; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Pe rformance) Longer than I would like Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:16:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. There's only two kinds of music; the kind you like and the kind you don't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 11:27:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04237; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:25:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c07f0f$9448a640$ea0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance) Longer than I would like Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance) Longer than I would like > >there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. > > There's only two kinds of music; the kind you like and the kind you don't. > There's only three kinds of people in this world, those who can count and those who can't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:03:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04839; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:55:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C07ED1.88DCA4C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Pe rformance) Longer than I would like Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:46:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I disagree. There's a lot of music I don't like, that I still respect. bIz On Monday, January 15, 2001 8:16 AM, Hans Lindauer [SMTP:hans@ernieball.com] wrote: > >there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. > > There's only two kinds of music; the kind you like and the kind you don't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:15:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05942; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:NAMM Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:12:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm off to NAMM. I'll see Todd and Mark there plus a few other loopers I hope! Whish us luck! If no one caught this last time I posted the artist appearance listing at the following link. (it's a bunch of scans in jpg format). http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMartists Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05955; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:14:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:14:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010115171314.44841.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Reply-To: petr@tryi.com Subject: EDP, footswitch problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am trying to use a separate footswitch to control Record and Overdub functions on my EDP. I am using Yamaha sustain footswitch, but it does not work. When I press it, it acts as a long press on EDP's record switch, that is it records 4 seconds and nothing more. When I do long press, it records the 4 seconds after I release it. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to use some specific kind of footswitch? I am using this Yamaha one for other purposes and it works just fine. petr@tryi.com ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06446; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:26:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 17:26:46.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[5634AFD0:01C07F18] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have some friends on this list who post their gigs. No, Stu Leibig is not one of them but that is because I never met him personally. I have a friendly suggestion to any would-be critics. If you feel compelled to respond with a non-constructive critique of the gig, I suggest you send it in private email rather than to the list. I don't see anything good coming out of sending inflammatory comments to the list where everyone can see them and thus publicly humiliate someone without just cause - it's destructive and divisive and makes you new enemies you didn't need to make. I feel compelled to post because of those friends of mine who play gigs and post announcements for their gigs here. I'd hate to see a negative atmosphere develop here where people feel too intimidated to post such things. Thank you, Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06822; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:36:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:36:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A628ED4.5B77@altruistmusic.com> References: <3A628ED4.5B77@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:27:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm coming into this thread a little late, and i didn't see the performance, so i'll try to keep this short... I think there are problems on both sides of the fence. Those who think the avant/jazz/noise thing is just plain old noise, and write it off quickly. There are also those folks who are into that scence who disregard music that ISN'T avante garde. I have a friend who is like this. He's a great guy, but his headspace is SO buried into freeform/experimental/noise that he gets a little pissy and arrogant if you try to introduce him to more traditional forms, no matter how beautiful and intriguing they might be to others. ...cliff...who am i thinking of?...our favorite eccentric? :) It all depends on your perspective, i guess. Just saw something last week on the Ken Burns' JAZZ program, now airing on PBS. They are showing an interview with Louis Armstrong, and he boldly says..."There are ONLY two kinds of music...GOOD music and BAD music...If it's something you can tap your feet to...that's GOOD music". Interesting narrow mindedness from one of the great icons of jazz, without whom we wouldn't even be having this friendly little discussion of avante-whatever... 2 cents... rich >1) It's one thing to say, "I didn't like that." It's another thing to >say, "That was fundamentally bad music." It's yet another thing to say >(or imply), "I didn't like that, therefore it was fundamentally bad >music." I don't know if this last statement was what Gary intended, but >his review did carry with it that implication (to my mind, anyway). > >2) A lot of the most accomplished and respected musicians in the "new >music" realm, whether Ornette Colemean, Cecil Taylor, Derek Bailey, Glen >Branca, Nels Cline, or whoever, tend to get written off as unmusical >noisemongers by people who aren't into that realm. Gary doesn't have to >like this sort of music in order to voice his opinion, of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 12:42:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07019; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:27:24 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Busking and Physical Acoustic Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003b01c07f18$6cc079f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200101120740.CAA28423@hemlock.violacea.com> <010801c07e21$e041c0c0$1481e3a5@poo> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the story, man. i'm glad someone is using interactive technology... next stop: internet performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08329; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:11:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:11:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010115131340.007bb100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:13:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance) Longer than I would like In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the line from the cowboy bar in 'The Blues Brothers'. "We've got BOTH kinds of music; country AND western." Tim At 08:16 AM 1/15/01 -0800, you wrote: >>there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:22:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08750; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:20:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:20:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their feelings? Hurt their career? Or should we be blatantly honest, since they did advertise here, and encouraged to come to the show and give our opinions? IMHO...Don't expect to be treated with kid gloves if you're doing something "out there". If you're doing noisy stuff, then the majority of people are going to hear just plain noise. I don't think we should protect these people's feelings. The avante folks here would see my music as alt/pop/garbage, i'll bet. But respect is different to enjoyment. I respect Sonic Youth, but don't prefer to listen to them. I've seen Nels Cline play a few times, and while i enjoyed myself at the experience of going to a show and seeing talented people play, i don't particularly like the style of music he plays. I'd rather listen to Kind of Blue than Bitches Brew. And that's just a tiny, tiny slice of the musical pie according to my personal tastes... kudos all around, to the advertisement, the performance and the critiques! rich >I have some friends on this list who post their gigs. No, Stu >Leibig is not one of them but that is because I never met him >personally. > >I have a friendly suggestion to any would-be critics. If you feel >compelled to respond with a non-constructive critique of the gig, I >suggest you send it in private email rather than to the list. I >don't see anything good coming out of sending inflammatory comments >to the list where everyone can see them and thus publicly humiliate >someone without just cause - it's destructive and divisive and makes >you new enemies you didn't need to make. > >I feel compelled to post because of those friends of mine who play >gigs and post announcements for their gigs here. I'd hate to see a >negative atmosphere develop here where people feel too intimidated >to post such things. > >Thank you, >Paolo >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:38:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09439; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:36:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c07f21$98c26960$1bc41618@lusvil1.ky.home.com> From: "Ted J. Cabal" To: Subject: DL4 before or after POD? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to the list, and I've tried to find the answer here and cannot. I'm interested in buying a DL4 if I can play run my stereo guitar (Parker Fly) through my POD *before* the DL4 (then both outputs to two PA channels). That way, I can keep the summed mono output when looping going straight to the PA rather than through the POD. Can I do this, or will I lose features of the DL4 or POD by utilizing this order? Thanks for any help! Ted Cabal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:42:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09583; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C7C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:36:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F22.25546F40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F22.25546F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it certainly is interesting to read all of this . . . log-winded ramble here, please delete if this whole thing bores you . . . no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not trying to be "outer than you." (some of my favorite reviews have been the "negative" ones, often they describe not only the music [if you're lucky] but the reviewer - - they set up a context for understanding.) gary, sorry you didn't like the gig. even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't actually ever use the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be too self-congratulatory. let someone who's not in the band make that call. factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not all that i do; i feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about the machine than about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers there: 2 akai headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll have three loops going at once. i didn't last night because the music didn't take me there. at one point i had two loops going, but my eh 16 was giving me problems (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading the independent loops. i also didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - the music didn't take me there either. anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was feeling overwhlemed by the logistics of the evening and didn't bring it. re the rest of the night, here are my impressions. joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at first and quickly became tiring for me. it made me want to hear something else with what he was doing. (he normally is part of a trio [solid eye] and i don't know how that works, maybe it works better in that situation.) i was intrigued by how one could use or interact with what he did. how i would play with him or structure music so what he did would "work" for me. in that sense i liked it - - even though it didn't work for me at that moment. it made me think. annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really care for her thing at all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her opening bit, but after that i found what she did hard for me to take. not my cup o' tea. by the way, she did "play" the guitar - - in other words it was her hitting the strings. i enjoyed meeting her . . . anna homler and me: one bass player i know liked the fact that i wove some groove playing in there (time); albeit it was short-lived. with anna, i think that playing a *lot* of groove stuff could be a problem. we have done some of that stuff in rehearsal, but last night didn't feel like the time. melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess you didn't hear that we actually improvised a song structure for the second or third piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form (A-B-A-B-C [?]-A - - or something like that), words (anna sings in her own made-up language) and what i considered a melody. i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in that context, i would be totally missing the point of what anna is about - - and then it becomes more about that than it does a real collaboration. i think that anna's strength is in creating little atmospheres of nuance, color, texture and feeling. little worlds that live on their own. whether that appeals to you is a whole other story. the fun thing about playing with anna is the challenge of trying to go there and create that with her - - but i think that's the fun thing about most improv, trying to create with other people and having a mutual striving for a new created space. sort of like a relationship, i suppose. on the other hand, one does have to want to be there to hear it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool too. (if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane thing, i'd suggest the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, either the first cd or the next cd which even has some *minimal* loopage on it; if you wanna structured composition/improvisation i'd suggest my quartetto cds or my cd coming out in 2001, with mark dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom varner and a 7-piece backing band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in influenced tunes with solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds like a combination of ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this little thing is to say that what anna and are trying to create is only part of what i do. since you went to the getty, perhaps this analogy might do: it's like the difference between water color, oil painting, lithography, collage and drawing with charcoal - - or impressionism, expressionism, pre-raphaelites, pop art, chairusco, cubism etc.; they all have very different moods and INTENTS. and you either like 'em or you don't.) the funny thing about this gig was that there were other people who seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. amazing really. i guess that it shows everyone has their own taste. for what it's worth i've done my share of more commercial music (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to lots of pop music and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a stranger to those sorts of things. this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots of gigs of people where i had friends who hated what the performer was doing - - it didn't fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, not what the person was offering. i have a slightly different take on this: sometimes the gigs that i hated the most were the most beneficial to me as a played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own aesthetic, taught me what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what was useful to me and what wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph hammer's performance and what i didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a succesful gig for you! ;-) lastly, here is where the problem may be. your "agenda" was not fulfilled. you said: "But I want this technology, and let me be specific--I want the use of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better understood and more accepted. It is important to me." now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done the accumulated "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've been using delays to loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is now. ya know? to each his own, i suppose. gary, thanks for coming. to others, thanks for words of support. steuart ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F22.25546F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i = suppose

it certainly is interesting to read all of this . . . =

log-winded ramble here, please delete if this whole = thing bores you .  .  .

no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not trying = to be "outer than you." (some of my favorite reviews have = been the "negative" ones, often they describe not only the = music [if you're lucky] but the reviewer   - - they set up a = context for understanding.)



gary, sorry you didn't like the gig.

even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't = actually ever use the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be = too self-congratulatory. let someone who's not in the band make that = call.



factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not = all that i do; i feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about = the machine than about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers = there: 2 akai headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll = have three loops going at once. i didn't last night because the music = didn't take me there. at one point i had  two loops going, but my = eh 16 was giving me problems (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading = the independent loops. i also didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - = the music didn't take me there either.

anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was = feeling overwhlemed by the logistics of the evening and didn't bring = it.



re the rest of the night, here are my impressions. =

joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an = analog tape loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some = other stuff) and fed 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated = manually. interesting at first and quickly became tiring for me. it = made me want to hear something else with what he was doing. (he = normally is part of a trio [solid eye] and i don't know how that works, = maybe it works better in that situation.) i was intrigued by how one = could use or interact with what he did. how i would play with him or = structure music so what he did would "work" for me. in that = sense i liked it  - - even though it didn't work for me at that = moment. it made me think.


annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really care = for her thing at all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her = opening bit, but after that i found what she did hard for me to take. = not my cup o' tea. by the way, she did "play" the guitar - - = in other words it was her hitting the strings.  i enjoyed meeting = her . . .


anna homler and me:
one bass player i know liked the fact that i wove = some groove playing in there (time); albeit it was short-lived. with = anna, i think that playing a *lot* of groove stuff could be a problem. = we have done some of that stuff in rehearsal, but last night didn't = feel like the time.

melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess = you didn't hear that we actually improvised a song structure for the = second or third piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form = (A-B-A-B-C [?]-A - - or something like that), words (anna sings in her = own made-up language) and what i considered a melody.

i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in = that context, i would be totally missing the point of what anna is = about - - and then it becomes more about that than it does a real = collaboration. i think that anna's strength is in creating little = atmospheres of nuance, color, texture and feeling. little worlds that = live on their own. whether that appeals to you is a whole other story. = the fun thing about playing with anna is the challenge of  trying = to go there and create that with her - - but i think that's the fun = thing about most improv, trying to create with other people and having = a mutual striving for a new created space. sort of like a relationship, = i suppose. on the other hand, one does have to want to be there to hear = it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool too.

(if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane = thing, i'd suggest the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, = either the first cd or the next cd which even has some *minimal* = loopage on it; if you wanna structured composition/improvisation i'd = suggest my quartetto cds or my cd coming out in 2001, with mark = dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom varner and a 7-piece backing = band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in influenced tunes with = solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds like a combination of = ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this little thing is to say = that what anna and are trying to create is only part of what i do. = since you went to the getty, perhaps this analogy might do: it's like = the difference between water color, oil painting, lithography, collage = and drawing with charcoal - - or impressionism, expressionism, = pre-raphaelites, pop art, chairusco, cubism etc.; they all have very = different moods and INTENTS. and you either like 'em or you = don't.)

the funny thing about this gig was that there were = other people who seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. = amazing really. i guess that it shows everyone has their own taste. =

for what it's worth i've done my share of more = commercial music (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to = lots of pop music and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a = stranger to those sorts of things.

this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots of = gigs of people where i had friends who hated what the performer was = doing - - it didn't fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, = not what the person was offering. i have a slightly different take on = this: sometimes the gigs that i hated the most were the most beneficial = to me as a played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own = aesthetic, taught me what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what = was useful to me and what wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph = hammer's performance and what i didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a = succesful gig for you! ;-)


lastly, here is where the problem may be. your = "agenda" was not fulfilled. you said:
"But I want this technology, and let me be = specific--I want the use
of delays creating accumulated sound = "painting"--to be better understood and
more accepted.  It is important to = me."

now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done the = accumulated "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've = been using delays to loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is = now. ya know? to each his own, i suppose.



gary, thanks for coming.

to others, thanks for words of support.

steuart

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F22.25546F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09746; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:43:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: DL4 before or after POD? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:37:48 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/15/2001 12:37:47 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, go ahead and put it after the POD. I do all the time, and prefer the flexability it gives me (in changing tones, FX, etc. and "printing" them to the loop). I've also placed it in a chanel insert, effects send, aux out... anywhere I can think of stuffing it. Be careful with your levels, however: the DL4 will clip (or at least mine does), and it doesn't sound great. L "Ted J. Cabal" To: Subject: DL4 before or after POD? 01/15/01 12:33 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht I'm new to the list, and I've tried to find the answer here and cannot. I'm interested in buying a DL4 if I can play run my stereo guitar (Parker Fly) through my POD *before* the DL4 (then both outputs to two PA channels). That way, I can keep the summed mono output when looping going straight to the PA rather than through the POD. Can I do this, or will I lose features of the DL4 or POD by utilizing this order? Thanks for any help! Ted Cabal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:50:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09916; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A634559.E3CED261@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:45:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson wrote: I very much doubt that a bunch of bluffers > with no idea would get regular repeat booking at the Knitting Factory, so > they must be doing something right. Wrong. It's more important that an artist pulls in an audience than they actually make good music. Sad, but true. Particularly the Knit in NYC, but the Knit LA is run by the same folks. db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 13:50:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09908; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:47:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:44:56 EST Subject: Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.e7c1e5b.27949f28_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c4.e7c1e5b.27949f28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am rather new to looping - The echoplex seems to be the most popular means of accomplishing the task and (besides ebay and such) i'm wondering how to acquire one of these - There are no dealers listed at Gibson's website so I'm assuming it can only be had by mail order directly from Gibson - Is this correct? Thanks - Harry --part1_c4.e7c1e5b.27949f28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am rather new to looping - The echoplex seems to be the most popular means
of accomplishing the task and (besides ebay and such) i'm wondering how to
acquire one of these - There are no dealers listed at Gibson's website so I'm
assuming it can only be had by mail order directly from Gibson - Is this
correct?  Thanks - Harry --part1_c4.e7c1e5b.27949f28_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:10:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11217; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:08:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:08:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:06:16 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, rich wrote: > This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively > defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a > fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their > feelings? Hurt their career? > > Or should we be blatantly honest, since they did advertise here, and > encouraged to come to the show and give our opinions? But why make derogatory and negative opinions public? It serves no useful purpose and it is divisive. You might not enjoy a particular gig or album but don't rant about how it "sucks" or is "worthless"..I can't see any good out of language like that. Just say you didn't enjoy it and move forward. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:11:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11332; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:10:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:10:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A634A43.3447FD1E@puma.att.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:06:43 -0500 From: Mike Hunter Reply-To: mhunter@puma.mt.att.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: [Fwd: EDP, footswitch problem] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DB752101626E0D33D9CCD00D" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB752101626E0D33D9CCD00D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------DB752101626E0D33D9CCD00D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A634A01.C10BCABF@puma.att.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:05:37 -0500 From: Mike Hunter Reply-To: mhunter@puma.att.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: petr@tryi.com Subject: Re: EDP, footswitch problem References: <20010115171314.44841.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7826555C8466EEE70DC98A44" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7826555C8466EEE70DC98A44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the same problem....and I had to modify the Yamaha pedals. The pedals a "double throw- single pole" and are in the ON position when the pedal is not pressed and the OFF position when released. If you open the pedal, you will see three terminals on the back of the switch itself. The denter wire needs to stay where it is but the other (red I think...) needs to be moved to the other empty terminal instead of the terminal is is soldered to from the factory. If youy don't solder...maybe someone you know does and can help you. The Yamaha pedal works great for me now that I modified it....it has a very short throw. -- Mike Hunter Data Analyst/System Engineer I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv IBM Global Services/AT&T SDI Project AT&T R&D South Middletown, NJ petr dolak wrote: > I am trying to use a separate footswitch to control Record and > Overdub functions on my EDP. I am using Yamaha sustain footswitch, > but it does not work. When I press it, it acts as a long press on > EDP's record switch, that is it records 4 seconds and nothing more. > When I do long press, it records the 4 seconds after I release it. > What am I doing wrong? Do I need to use some specific kind of > footswitch? I am using this Yamaha one for other purposes and it > works just fine. > > petr@tryi.com > > ===== > > Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------7826555C8466EEE70DC98A44 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mhunter.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Hunter Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mhunter.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hunter;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://puma.att.com/~mhunter org:IBM Global Services: AT&T SDI Project;Data Quality Lead-Systems Engineer version:2.1 email;internet:mihunter@us.ibm.com title:I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv note:(732)-420-1096 adr;quoted-printable:;;B5-2A06=0D=0AAT&T R&D South=0D=0A200 Laurel Ave.=0D=0A;Middletown;NJ;07742;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Mike Hunter end:vcard --------------7826555C8466EEE70DC98A44-- --------------DB752101626E0D33D9CCD00D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mhunter.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Hunter Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mhunter.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hunter;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://puma.att.com/~mhunter org:IBM Global Services: AT&T SDI Project;Data Quality Lead-Systems Engineer version:2.1 email;internet:mihunter@us.ibm.com title:I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv note:(732)-420-1096 adr;quoted-printable:;;B5-2A06=0D=0AAT&T R&D South=0D=0A200 Laurel Ave.=0D=0A;Middletown;NJ;07742;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Mike Hunter end:vcard --------------DB752101626E0D33D9CCD00D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:27:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12101; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:25:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: repeater... Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI: I have had a few very detailed talks with Elextrix about the Repeater. In short, think of it as Acid meets Echoplex. It remains to be seen, but every function that we specifically checked for in detailed questioning was answered "YES - it's in there". From next loop to insert, etc. It all appears to be there. Plus, you can build a loop and then RECORD your improv over the loop and bring it like a snap into any WAV file based edting program at 16 bit 44.1. Add some reverb and eq if necessary and you are set to rip your CD of live performances! Doug Bon Communications, Inc. Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia www.boncommunications.com email: info@boncommunications.com ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12310; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:30:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c07f29$76a845e0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> <002601c07eb7$c5e97420$a50c78d8@com> <009101c07f0d$8500d2e0$ea0c78d8@com> Subject: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (was: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance) Longer than I would like Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:29:18 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm reminded of the scene from "True Stories" where David Byrne is driving along the Texas prairie in a convertible, looks at the camera and says, "Do you like music? Oh, most people SAY they do..." Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:43:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12761; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:41:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:41:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C07EE8.BB6D7880.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:45:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But why make derogatory and negative opinions public? It serves no useful > purpose and it is divisive. You might not enjoy a particular gig or album > but don't rant about how it "sucks" or is "worthless"..I can't see any > good out of language like that. Just say you didn't enjoy it and move > forward. > We might want to shelve Derogatory comments, but negative ones? Absolutely not!! I don't think we can move forward without being critical. If a company started putting out shoddy products, and someone asked you what you thought, would you just say, 'I didn't like it' and move on? What difference is there if the product is music, not washing powder, or chairs, or software? Especially if the art is not being performed for free. Sure, the desire to create a livelihood built on music performance is admirable, and a negative reveiw is detrimental to a particular artist's attempt to reach that goal, but there is more at stake than one person's career. There are the careers of the people who won't get the opportunities that the particular artist will receive. There is also the investment of the people who are on the listening end of the equation. If anything, in this time of explosive musical growth, where the tools and opportunities to develop music become easier and easier to aquire, and the audience for the same music is shrinking dramatically (for the same reasons), we need >more< critical, even negative perspectives, not less. If the crap isn't filtered out, it will drown anything of value. Without criticism, there can be no growth, and without growth, no art. Especially in the genres that attract people to this group; experimental and improvisational music. That doesn't mean that one has right to be rude about it; as with any other social interaction. (Besides, one can hardly be objective without taking into account the perspective of the creator of the artwork, especially in this genre) Still, I'd rather hear more people calling music and performances as they are, instead of sugar coating them. >From Felix Saltzer's "Structural Hearing, Tonal Coherence in Music": "It seems as though some musicians are so deadly afraid of "missing" a talent that they think it is safer to praise most new compositions, thus demonstrating an appaling lack of judgement and discrimination' This curios attitude has indeed become a veritable obsession with all to many musicians, critics and teachers. ...[If we go to the] extreme and lose our sense of judgement merely because the work is new and we are afraid to be blamed for not having recognized a talent ... will delay more than promote the process of finding a definite language of musical expresssion." (Of course, the purpose of finding such a definite language is to pull it down and start over again, but that's the point :>) as always YMMV, bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13039; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:51:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:51:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c07f2c$2857b8a0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:48:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a few points I'd make... - good design requires critique Anyone who wants to do public art ought to care a bit about whether it works or not. Hard thing to measure, since individual responses vary so much, but if you have a listener who at least represents the demographic of folks who 'might conceivably relate', then feedback from them is certainly a good thing. Its just one data point, but 1st draft's are rarely the best ones, and an iterative design process that takes into account 'usability' reports stands a good chance of producing something better than a purely iconclastic effort. - the observer is part of the system Welcome to the fun house. Anything I say about you is really talking more about me. This should be reflected in the language we use. You can talk authoritatively about your feelings and your reactions, and you can help us to understand the basis for your reactions with a bit of introspective disclosure. But you ought to be real careful in your language when you describe something in 'objective' terms. thin ice, there! Korzybki's 'General Semantics' was all about this. - this is a family show the very name of this forum suggests that we loopers are talking among ourselves, this isn't a public WWF smackdown show, this is a family gathering, and certain kindnesses are in order. 'Delight' suggests that we are here for enjoyment, to celebrate our enthusiasm for an art form that gives us pleasure. That fact should inform any critique offered in this forum. Spankings should be given with a smile! In any case, I think we all enjoyed the realization that a blistering review turned into a thoughtful discussion and that there's a lotta cool vibes here. (unlike _some_ internet lists, haha) Thanks all! Bob Campbell near Seattle http://www.mp3.com/AstroBlue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 14:59:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13192; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:57:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD40@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:55:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2D.1626EEC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2D.1626EEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We might want to shelve Derogatory comments, but negative ones? Absolutely not!! ** while agree with most of what you said . . . . Still, I'd rather hear more people calling music and performances as they are, instead of sugar coating them. ** i would think that "as they are" could be better expressed as "how you see them." after all, i have a pretty different view of my own performance than gary did - - and so did others there (most i have never met before). stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2D.1626EEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Responding to "gig spam"

We might want to shelve Derogatory comments, but = negative ones? Absolutely
not!!

** while agree with most of what you said . . . . =

 Still, I'd rather hear more people calling = music and
performances as they are, instead of sugar coating = them.

** i would think that "as they are" could = be better expressed as "how you see them."

after all, i have a pretty different view of my own = performance than gary did - - and so did others there (most i have = never met before).

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2D.1626EEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:09:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14196; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:07:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:07:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:07:00 -0600 Subject: Re: repeater... From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds absolutely fantastic. I really hope that it lives up to everything that they say it will do. I also hope that it is upgradeable so that new features, etc. can be added in the future. BTW, is the group purchase option still a possibility? I just recently joined this list and would like to participate. Thanks, Steve Ginn P.S. One thing would be nice is to have some type of computer based interface for it for the times when my rack is in the studio rather than on stage. Using SoundDiver for my synths is much nicer than using the front panels to tweak my sounds and the same might be true of the Repeater as well. on 1/15/01 1:24 PM, Douglas Bonneville at doug@boncommunications.com wrote: > FYI: I have had a few very detailed talks with Elextrix about the Repeater. > In short, think of it as Acid meets Echoplex. It remains to be seen, but > every function that we specifically checked for in detailed questioning was > answered "YES - it's in there". From next loop to insert, etc. It all > appears to be there. Plus, you can build a loop and then RECORD your improv > over the loop and bring it like a snap into any WAV file based edting > program at 16 bit 44.1. Add some reverb and eq if necessary and you are set > to rip your CD of live performances! > > Doug > > Bon Communications, Inc. > Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia > www.boncommunications.com > email: info@boncommunications.com > ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:14:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14413; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:12:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:12:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD41@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: ad dendum Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:10:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2F.408321A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2F.408321A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" an addendum: so . . . some further thoughts about this: 1. how much looping has to be in a performance before it can qualify as being advertised on this list? for about a 30-minute performance, i had loops going for maybe 7-8 minutes - - very approximate time here. the tape guy was 30+ minutes of all looping, yet was deemed boring . . . is MUSIC the goal or LOOPING? how about one in service of the other? is there some delineated way in which one needs to use the tools before it is deemed looping? 2. if i pay to see you play, do i need to agree with what you're doing before i feel that you haved deserved to get my "hard-earned" money? perhaps if one is so cash-strapped, one shouldn't go out. do you feel ripped off if you go to see a movie (now about $8-10) and don't like it? how about renting a video? how about any performance or documentation of one (cd, etc.)? are you applying the same criteria? just because you didn't like it doesn't necessarily mean that you are ripped off. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2F.408321A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose
an addendum:
 
so . . . some further thoughts about this:
 
1. how much looping has to be in a performance before it can qualify as being advertised on this list? for about a 30-minute performance, i had loops going for maybe 7-8 minutes - - very approximate time here. the tape guy was 30+ minutes of all looping, yet was deemed boring . . . is MUSIC the goal or LOOPING? how about one in service of the other? is there some delineated way in which one needs to use the tools before it is deemed looping?
 
2. if i pay to see you play, do i need to agree with what you're doing before i feel that you haved deserved to get my "hard-earned" money? perhaps if one is so cash-strapped, one shouldn't go out. do you feel ripped off if you go to see a movie (now about $8-10) and don't like it? how about renting a video? how about any performance or documentation of one (cd, etc.)? are you applying the same criteria? just because you didn't like it doesn't necessarily mean that you are ripped off.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F2F.408321A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14417; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:13:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:13:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c07f2f$65885d80$1bc41618@lusvil1.ky.home.com> From: "Ted J. Cabal" To: References: Subject: Re: DL4 before or after POD? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:11:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4HwuIB.A.EhD.xm1Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks much for your help! Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:20:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14797; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:18:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 20:18:23.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F6068D0:01C07F30] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree with spaceloop's response, but will add some further thoughts of my own. I see the Loopers Delight community as something analagous to my personal circles of friends (yes, I have several :)). One of those circles include two very talented visual artists, each of which is good enough to draw professionally for Marvel or DC comics if only given the opportunity. Now, I haven't seen a single drawings by either artist that I would call "bad", but if I did, would I say "it sucks" to his face? In private is one thing, but would I proclaim "Jim's drawing sucks" in a publication for all to see? I mean, would I ever feel so strongly that I would not mind publicly humiliating my friend just to drive home to him the intensity of said "suckage"? This is what I'm driving at. Thanks, Paolo From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:11:22 -0800 This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their feelings? Hurt their career? Or should we be blatantly honest, since they did advertise here, and encouraged to come to the show and give our opinions? IMHO...Don't expect to be treated with kid gloves if you're doing something "out there". If you're doing noisy stuff, then the majority of people are going to hear just plain noise. I don't think we should protect these people's feelings. The avante folks here would see my music as alt/pop/garbage, i'll bet. But respect is different to enjoyment. I respect Sonic Youth, but don't prefer to listen to them. I've seen Nels Cline play a few times, and while i enjoyed myself at the experience of going to a show and seeing talented people play, i don't particularly like the style of music he plays. I'd rather listen to Kind of Blue than Bitches Brew. And that's just a tiny, tiny slice of the musical pie according to my personal tastes... kudos all around, to the advertisement, the performance and the critiques! rich _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:24:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14941; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: group purchase plan? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c07f30$af7b1210$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone have any info on this? Doug Bonneville > BTW, is the group purchase option still a possibility? I just recently > joined this list and would like to participate. > > Thanks, > > Steve Ginn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15126; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:25:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:24:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 20:24:42.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[31408190:01C07F31] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I forgot to add another point: Depending on the harshness of your public comments towards a fellow lister's work, the career being hurt could be your own. Paolo From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:11:22 -0800 This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their feelings? Hurt their career? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15108; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:34:25 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ae01c07f2a$2b792ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what a great thread. >I have to wonder >how much of the art Gary saw at the Getty that afternoon went >unappreciated or misunderstood in the era in which it was made... (a great point) and this: >harsh critique of independant musicians should be handled with care >I would usually recommend as a course of action giving the artist the >benefit of the doubt on the other hand: >Bad reviews come with the territory- I have gotten a few. and: >...I have a friend who is >like this. He's a great guy, but his headspace is SO buried into >freeform/experimental/noise that he gets a little pissy and arrogant >if you try to introduce him to more traditional forms i generally don't like self indulgent art made for the sake of nonconformity. i haven't heard steuart before and i can't say that is what he does. i distinctly remember a point in college when i realized that george crumb was the source of the word "crummy" and that schoenberg's "sprechstimme" was the goofiest sounding thing i had ever heard. and what about the nasty music contret stuff i had to listen to for music history? i don't really feel so strongly about those guys anymore, and lots of very fine musicians have disagreed with me about them. in fact i have totally changed my mind about some of these things. this is the nature of music discourse. finally >I don't see anything good >coming out of sending inflammatory comments to the list and: >But why make derogatory and negative opinions public? >It serves no useful purpose and it is divisive. this discussion is a good thing. if the original post had not seemed inflammatory, it might have died a lonely death... i appreciate when someone really speaks their mind. it is an opportunity (rarely granted) to know each other and to grow and learn... are you guys sure you don't want to talk about gear? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:29:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15291; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c07f31$2b169840$31a91597@invisibleloop> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C7C@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:24:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C07F39.8BB60840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C07F39.8BB60840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i supposeHi Steuart. = I'm a fellow musician and looper, and I play guitar, synths, whatever = creating loops. I have played almost every kind of music, apart from = country, which I'm studying a bit and some jazz, which I'm practicing = now. I've done many loop /noise/ ambient performances, both live and in = studio. That just to make a little clear my background. I couldn't = follow the performance, living in Italy, but what you (and I mean YOU) = tell us is that it wasn't that much of a performance. When I have to = play a live session, however I'm feeling at the moment, I try to get to = my audience (expecially when I get paid from the audience) the best I = can at the moment. And usually, I try to check my instruments before I = get to play. Talking about the first show you tell: 'joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop = (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed = 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at = first and quickly became tiring for me. ' Well, is that a loop performance? That is nothing more than every DJ one = time or another does in is lifetime (and I play with a DJ), and I think = from your comment that it was (at least) a bit self indulgent. I have = done that kind of things myself sometimes, but while I was in my studio, = working on some background for my musical works, and I tried always to = develop that things. For the second performance, I can't think that someone who plays guitar = for a living cannot understand if someone is really playing or not. And = you too told that the performance was of no relevance for you, think = about someone who paid to hear some music and get that... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose it certainly is interesting to read all of this . . .=20 log-winded ramble here, please delete if this whole thing bores you . = . .=20 no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not trying to be "outer than = you." (some of my favorite reviews have been the "negative" ones, often = they describe not only the music [if you're lucky] but the reviewer - = - they set up a context for understanding.) gary, sorry you didn't like the gig.=20 even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't actually ever use = the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be too self-congratulatory. let = someone who's not in the band make that call. factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not all that i do; i = feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about the machine than = about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers there: 2 akai = headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll have three = loops going at once. i didn't last night because the music didn't take = me there. at one point i had two loops going, but my eh 16 was giving = me problems (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading the independent = loops. i also didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - the music didn't = take me there either. anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was feeling overwhlemed by = the logistics of the evening and didn't bring it.=20 re the rest of the night, here are my impressions.=20 joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop = (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed = 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at = first and quickly became tiring for me. it made me want to hear = something else with what he was doing. (he normally is part of a trio = [solid eye] and i don't know how that works, maybe it works better in = that situation.) i was intrigued by how one could use or interact with = what he did. how i would play with him or structure music so what he did = would "work" for me. in that sense i liked it - - even though it didn't = work for me at that moment. it made me think.=20 annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really care for her thing at = all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her opening bit, but after = that i found what she did hard for me to take. not my cup o' tea. by the = way, she did "play" the guitar - - in other words it was her hitting the = strings. i enjoyed meeting her . . .=20 anna homler and me:=20 one bass player i know liked the fact that i wove some groove playing = in there (time); albeit it was short-lived. with anna, i think that = playing a *lot* of groove stuff could be a problem. we have done some of = that stuff in rehearsal, but last night didn't feel like the time. melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess you didn't hear = that we actually improvised a song structure for the second or third = piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form (A-B-A-B-C [?]-A = - - or something like that), words (anna sings in her own made-up = language) and what i considered a melody.=20 i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in that context, i = would be totally missing the point of what anna is about - - and then it = becomes more about that than it does a real collaboration. i think that = anna's strength is in creating little atmospheres of nuance, color, = texture and feeling. little worlds that live on their own. whether that = appeals to you is a whole other story. the fun thing about playing with = anna is the challenge of trying to go there and create that with her - = - but i think that's the fun thing about most improv, trying to create = with other people and having a mutual striving for a new created space. = sort of like a relationship, i suppose. on the other hand, one does have = to want to be there to hear it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool = too.=20 (if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane thing, i'd suggest = the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, either the first cd or = the next cd which even has some *minimal* loopage on it; if you wanna = structured composition/improvisation i'd suggest my quartetto cds or my = cd coming out in 2001, with mark dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom = varner and a 7-piece backing band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in = influenced tunes with solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds = like a combination of ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this = little thing is to say that what anna and are trying to create is only = part of what i do. since you went to the getty, perhaps this analogy = might do: it's like the difference between water color, oil painting, = lithography, collage and drawing with charcoal - - or impressionism, = expressionism, pre-raphaelites, pop art, chairusco, cubism etc.; they = all have very different moods and INTENTS. and you either like 'em or = you don't.) the funny thing about this gig was that there were other people who = seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. amazing really. i = guess that it shows everyone has their own taste.=20 for what it's worth i've done my share of more commercial music = (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to lots of pop music = and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a stranger to those sorts of = things. this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots of gigs of people = where i had friends who hated what the performer was doing - - it didn't = fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, not what the person = was offering. i have a slightly different take on this: sometimes the = gigs that i hated the most were the most beneficial to me as a = played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own aesthetic, = taught me what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what was useful to = me and what wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph hammer's performance = and what i didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a succesful gig for you! = ;-) lastly, here is where the problem may be. your "agenda" was not = fulfilled. you said:=20 "But I want this technology, and let me be specific--I want the use=20 of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better = understood and=20 more accepted. It is important to me."=20 now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done the accumulated = "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've been using delays to = loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is now. ya know? to each = his own, i suppose. gary, thanks for coming.=20 to others, thanks for words of support.=20 steuart=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C07F39.8BB60840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i = suppose
Hi Steuart. I'm a fellow musician and = looper, and I=20 play guitar, synths, whatever creating loops. I have played almost every = kind of=20 music, apart from country, which I'm studying a bit and some jazz, which = I'm=20 practicing now. I've done many loop /noise/ ambient performances, both = live and=20 in studio. That just to make a little clear my background. I couldn't = follow the=20 performance, living in Italy, but what you (and I mean YOU) tell us is = that it=20 wasn't that much of a performance. When I have to play a live session, = however=20 I'm feeling at the moment, I try to get to my audience (expecially when = I get=20 paid from the audience) the best I can at the moment. And usually, I try = to=20 check my instruments before I get to play.
 
Talking about the first show you = tell:
 
'joseph = hammer: he was=20 ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop (surprised me actually). = used cds=20 (and maybe some other stuff) and fed 'em into a analog tape loop and = manipulated=20 manually. interesting at first and quickly became tiring for me.=20 '
 
Well, is that a loop performance? That = is nothing=20 more than every DJ one time or another does in is lifetime (and I play = with a=20 DJ), and I think from your comment that it was (at least) a bit self = indulgent.=20 I have done that kind of things myself sometimes, but while I was in my = studio,=20 working on some background for my musical works, and I tried always to = develop=20 that things.
 
For the second performance, I can't = think that=20 someone who plays guitar for a living cannot understand if someone is = really=20 playing or not. And you too told that the performance was of no = relevance for=20 you, think about someone who paid to hear some music and get=20 that...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 = 7:36=20 PM
Subject: RE: Disappointed in = Hollywood -=20 - to each his own, i suppose

it certainly is interesting to read all of this . . = .=20

log-winded ramble here, please delete if this whole = thing=20 bores you .  .  .

no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not trying = to be=20 "outer than you." (some of my favorite reviews have been the = "negative" ones,=20 often they describe not only the music [if you're lucky] but the=20 reviewer   - - they set up a context for=20 understanding.)



gary, sorry you didn't like the gig.

even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't = actually=20 ever use the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be too = self-congratulatory.=20 let someone who's not in the band make that call.



factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not = all that i=20 do; i feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about the machine = than=20 about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers there: 2 akai=20 headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll have three = loops=20 going at once. i didn't last night because the music didn't take me = there. at=20 one point i had  two loops going, but my eh 16 was giving me = problems=20 (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading the independent loops. i = also=20 didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - the music didn't take me = there=20 either.

anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was = feeling=20 overwhlemed by the logistics of the evening and didn't bring it.=20



re the rest of the night, here are my impressions. =

joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an = analog tape=20 loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) = and fed=20 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at = first and=20 quickly became tiring for me. it made me want to hear something else = with what=20 he was doing. (he normally is part of a trio [solid eye] and i don't = know how=20 that works, maybe it works better in that situation.) i was intrigued = by how=20 one could use or interact with what he did. how i would play with him = or=20 structure music so what he did would "work" for me. in that sense i = liked=20 it  - - even though it didn't work for me at that moment. it made = me=20 think.


annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really care = for her=20 thing at all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her opening bit, = but=20 after that i found what she did hard for me to take. not my cup o' = tea. by the=20 way, she did "play" the guitar - - in other words it was her hitting = the=20 strings.  i enjoyed meeting her . . .


anna homler and me:
one = bass player i=20 know liked the fact that i wove some groove playing in there (time); = albeit it=20 was short-lived. with anna, i think that playing a *lot* of groove = stuff could=20 be a problem. we have done some of that stuff in rehearsal, but last = night=20 didn't feel like the time.

melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess = you didn't=20 hear that we actually improvised a song structure for the second or = third=20 piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form (A-B-A-B-C = [?]-A - -=20 or something like that), words (anna sings in her own made-up = language) and=20 what i considered a melody.

i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in = that=20 context, i would be totally missing the point of what anna is about - = - and=20 then it becomes more about that than it does a real collaboration. i = think=20 that anna's strength is in creating little atmospheres of nuance, = color,=20 texture and feeling. little worlds that live on their own. whether = that=20 appeals to you is a whole other story. the fun thing about playing = with anna=20 is the challenge of  trying to go there and create that with her = - - but=20 i think that's the fun thing about most improv, trying to create with = other=20 people and having a mutual striving for a new created space. sort of = like a=20 relationship, i suppose. on the other hand, one does have to want to = be there=20 to hear it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool too.

(if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane = thing, i'd=20 suggest the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, either the = first cd or=20 the next cd which even has some *minimal* loopage on it; if you wanna=20 structured composition/improvisation i'd suggest my quartetto cds or = my cd=20 coming out in 2001, with mark dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom = varner and=20 a 7-piece backing band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in = influenced tunes=20 with solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds like a = combination of=20 ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this little thing is to say = that=20 what anna and are trying to create is only part of what i do. since = you went=20 to the getty, perhaps this analogy might do: it's like the difference = between=20 water color, oil painting, lithography, collage and drawing with = charcoal - -=20 or impressionism, expressionism, pre-raphaelites, pop art, chairusco, = cubism=20 etc.; they all have very different moods and INTENTS. and you either = like 'em=20 or you don't.)

the funny thing about this gig was that there were = other=20 people who seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. = amazing=20 really. i guess that it shows everyone has their own taste. =

for what it's worth i've done my share of more = commercial=20 music (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to lots of pop = music=20 and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a stranger to those sorts = of=20 things.

this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots = of gigs of=20 people where i had friends who hated what the performer was doing - - = it=20 didn't fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, not what the = person=20 was offering. i have a slightly different take on this: sometimes the = gigs=20 that i hated the most were the most beneficial to me as a=20 played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own aesthetic, = taught me=20 what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what was useful to me and = what=20 wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph hammer's performance and what = i=20 didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a succesful gig for you!=20 ;-)


lastly, here is where the problem may be. your = "agenda" was=20 not fulfilled. you said:
"But I want this = technology,=20 and let me be specific--I want the use
of = delays=20 creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better understood = and=20
more accepted.  It is important to me." =

now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done the = accumulated "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've been = using delays=20 to loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is now. ya know? to = each his=20 own, i suppose.



gary, thanks for coming.

to others, thanks for words of support.

steuart

------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C07F39.8BB60840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:45:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16023; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:43:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:43:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C07EF1.58D5D240.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: ad dendum Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:47:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > so . . . some further thoughts about this: > > 1. how much looping has to be in a performance before it can qualify as > being advertised on this list? for about a 30-minute performance, i had > loops going for maybe 7-8 minutes - - very approximate time here. the tape > guy was 30+ minutes of all looping, yet was deemed boring . . . is MUSIC the > goal or LOOPING? how about one in service of the other? is there some > delineated way in which one needs to use the tools before it is deemed > looping? I don't think any, if it's specified up front. > > 2. if i pay to see you play, do i need to agree with what you're doing > before i feel that you haved deserved to get my "hard-earned" money? perhaps > if one is so cash-strapped, one shouldn't go out. do you feel ripped off if > you go to see a movie (now about $8-10) and don't like it? how about renting > a video? how about any performance or documentation of one (cd, etc.)? are > you applying the same criteria? just because you didn't like it doesn't > necessarily mean that you are ripped off. > (I don't go to the movies any more, and rarely rent - there's an awful lot of Stuff Catering To Tastes And Sensibilities Other Than Mine out there, what with eminem winning the grammies and all, but I know what you mean; it's like if crap comes in a shiny packaged box, then we just take it like the good little consumers we are, but put a face to it, and we start to howl. :> ) You have a very good point, and it's fortunate that you (just as someone else at the performance) are here to say that you had a different experience. There's absolutely a certain level of 'take it or leave it' in any art; you're paying to see someone else's interpretation of art, not specifically to be entertained. I don't think this discussion was about 'I went to the gig, paid my lousy $2 to get in, and all I got was this nasty ringing in my ears" though that will always be someone's point of view, at any gig. >this discussion is a good thing. >if the original post had not seemed inflammatory, >it might have died a lonely death... Very much so. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:49:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16010; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:41:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 20:41:26.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[87AF5BD0:01C07F33] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lots of good, thought-provoking responses. I like Bob Campbell's the best so far, especially the "criticize with a smile" part. Thanks, Paolo P.S. Hollywood has been a disappointment to me for a long time, but that's another topic. :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 15:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16248; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:47:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7d8Ot.A.t8D.yH2Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo, what if they posted their art show in front of a bunch of other artists? Could they be upset if another artist calls what they do 'crap'? This is what happens when you say 'hey, look at me'. You secretly hope they like you, but may get upset when they don't. I am all for being supportive in a community, and I am the first one to encourage people to get out there and do their thing. No matter how wonderful you are, there will always be people who publicly hate what you do. Every performer learns this at some point, just like we are seeing here. If an artist isn't on this list, is it ok to say that you saw a show that sucked? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > I mean, would I ever feel so strongly that I would not mind publicly > humiliating my friend just to drive home to him the intensity of said > "suckage"? > > This is what I'm driving at. > > Thanks, > Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17688; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:12:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:12:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD42@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F37.A2C12670" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F37.A2C12670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi luigi, Hi Steuart. I'm a fellow musician and looper, and I play guitar, synths, whatever creating loops. I have played almost every kind of music, apart from country, which I'm studying a bit and some jazz, which I'm practicing now. I've done many loop /noise/ ambient performances, both live and in studio. That just to make a little clear my background. I couldn't follow the performance, living in Italy, but what you (and I mean YOU) tell us is that it wasn't that much of a performance. When I have to play a live session, however I'm feeling at the moment, I try to get to my audience (expecially when I get paid from the audience) the best I can at the moment. ** actually, i'd like to clarify a little here: i didn't say too much about my/our own performance in terms of an artistic judgement. i didn't feel that it was appropriate. what i tried to do was give a critique of the rest of the show and then a somewhat factual description of the set that anna and i played - - including where i thought some rhythm and melody and form happened. if you'd like, i can give my viewpoints on what was and wasn't successful about our set; though i'm not sure how much that would help. but no, i didn't think that our set wasn't MUCH. i actually quite liked most of it. again, there were some who were quite complimentary. And usually, I try to check my instruments before I get to play. ** my eh 16 had problems after the sound check. why do i need to hear this from you? i tend to pretty professional and i think that you are taking an approach that assumes that i am not. why is that? i resent it if you are. Talking about the first show you tell: 'joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at first and quickly became tiring for me. ' Well, is that a loop performance? That is nothing more than every DJ one time or another does in is lifetime (and I play with a DJ), and I think from your comment that it was (at least) a bit self indulgent. I have done that kind of things myself sometimes, but while I was in my studio, working on some background for my musical works, and I tried always to develop that things. ** that was sort of my point. the person who critiqued the evening was upset about there being no looping. what i saw and heard was a guy putting performance media into a looping device and manipulating it. i didn't say whether or not it was "good" - - only that it had the hallmarks of a looping performance (also it was of interest due to recent commentary on using a tape recorder as a looping device). it was not like many djs i've heard, it was more like musique concrete. as to whether or not it was self-indulgent, i wouldn't even care to characterize it that way. how can i tell if something is self-indulgent. i think that there is a certain component of self-indulgence in almost all music that is being made as "art" rather than as functional music (dance music, ritual music, funeral music, etc.). my idea of self-indulgence is probably quite different than yours (i find a lot of fusion or prog stuff very self-indulgent, but others think that it's the best stuff). if it means something to the performer and to some of the audience is it only self-indulgent? For the second performance, I can't think that someone who plays guitar for a living cannot understand if someone is really playing or not. ** here's gary's quote: "I play guitar and so does she--she mimed real good--but it wasn't live. the operative word here is mime - - as in lip-syncing. what i was trying to say was that he was wrong. she didn't mime it, she did "play live" - - i wouldn't say that she played "well" or that i liked it. if you look at my post i merely said that her fingers were hitting the strings (and that sounds was coming out). And you too told that the performance was of no relevance for you, think about someone who paid to hear some music and get that ** well relevance and not liking are two different things - - at least in my book. again, there are films that i've seen that i didn't particularly enjoy and cds that didn't do much for. heck there are friends i've had that are no longer friends. nothing is for sure, you know? i don't quibble with gary's right to be disappointed by the gig. that doesn't bother me; neither does his "bad review" of the proceedings. i only wish to have a little different viewpoint about it. i suppose that i should reserve the same right to go see him play and be disappointed - - or maybe not. maybe i'd like it. if i expect something that i don't get, is that my fault or his? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F37.A2C12670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose
hi luigi,


Hi Steuart. I'm a fellow musician and looper, and I play guitar, synths, whatever creating loops. I have played almost every kind of music, apart from country, which I'm studying a bit and some jazz, which I'm practicing now. I've done many loop /noise/ ambient performances, both live and in studio. That just to make a little clear my background. I couldn't follow the performance, living in Italy, but what you (and I mean YOU) tell us is that it wasn't that much of a performance. When I have to play a live session, however I'm feeling at the moment, I try to get to my audience (expecially when I get paid from the audience) the best I can at the moment.  
 
** actually, i'd like to clarify a little here: i didn't say too much about my/our own performance in terms of an artistic judgement. i didn't feel that it was appropriate. what i tried to do was give a critique of the rest of the show and then a somewhat factual description of the set that anna and i played - - including where i thought some rhythm and melody and form happened. if you'd like, i can give my viewpoints on what was and wasn't successful about our set; though i'm not sure how much that would help. but no, i didn't think that our set wasn't MUCH. i actually quite liked most of it. again, there were some who were quite complimentary.
 
And usually, I try to check my instruments before I get to play.
 
 ** my eh 16  had problems after the sound check. why do i need to hear this from you? i tend to pretty professional and i think that you are taking an approach that assumes that i am not. why is that? i resent it if you are.
 
Talking about the first show you tell:
 
'joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at first and quickly became tiring for me. '
 
Well, is that a loop performance? That is nothing more than every DJ one time or another does in is lifetime (and I play with a DJ), and I think from your comment that it was (at least) a bit self indulgent. I have done that kind of things myself sometimes, but while I was in my studio, working on some background for my musical works, and I tried always to develop that things.
 
** that was sort of my point. the person who critiqued the evening was upset about there being no looping. what i saw and heard was a guy putting performance media into a looping device and manipulating it.  i didn't say whether or not it was "good" - - only that it had the hallmarks of a looping performance (also it was of interest due to recent commentary on using a tape recorder as a looping device). it was not like many djs i've heard, it was more like musique concrete. as to whether or not it was self-indulgent, i wouldn't even care to characterize it that way. how can i tell if something is self-indulgent. i think that there is a certain component of self-indulgence in almost all music that  is being made as "art" rather than as functional music (dance music, ritual music, funeral music, etc.). my idea of self-indulgence is probably quite different than yours (i find a lot of fusion or prog stuff very self-indulgent, but others think that it's the best stuff). if it means something to the performer and to some of the audience is it only self-indulgent?
 
 
 For the second performance, I can't think that someone who plays guitar for a living cannot understand if someone is really playing or not.  
 
** here's gary's quote:

"I play guitar and so does she--she mimed real good--but it wasn't live.

the operative word here is mime - - as in lip-syncing. what i was trying to say was that he was wrong. she didn't mime it, she did "play live" - - i wouldn't say that she played "well" or that i liked it. if you look at my post i merely said that her fingers were hitting the strings (and that sounds was coming out).

 And you too told that the performance was of no relevance for you, think about someone who paid to hear some music and get that 
 
 ** well relevance and not liking are two different things - - at least in my book. again, there are films that i've seen that i didn't particularly enjoy and cds that didn't do much for. heck there are friends i've had that are no longer friends. nothing is for sure, you know? i don't quibble with gary's right to be disappointed by the gig. that doesn't bother me; neither does his "bad review" of the proceedings. i only wish to  have a little different viewpoint about it. i suppose that i should reserve the same right to go see him play and be disappointed - - or maybe not.  maybe i'd like it. if i expect something that i don't get, is that my fault or his? 
 
stig
------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F37.A2C12670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18207; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:18:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008e01c07f38$9eb60900$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Beat Programming Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:17:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C07EF5.8F10BCE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C07EF5.8F10BCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all-=20 I am interested in making complex jazzy/tecno beats of varying tempo to = use in Cubase- I am interested in how this might get done- I have a = multitude of tools- some of which have been reccomended such as reCycle = - I am on PC-=20 Some examples of what I am looking to are Chem Bros, Talvin Singh, etc- = but more bebop jazz than electronic techno-=20 Any tips/ suggestions appreciated-=20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C07EF5.8F10BCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all-
 
I am interested in making complex jazzy/tecno beats = of varying=20 tempo to use in Cubase- I am interested in how this might get done- I = have a=20 multitude of tools- some of which have been reccomended such as reCycle = - I am=20 on PC-
 
Some examples of what I am looking to are Chem Bros, = Talvin=20 Singh, etc- but more bebop jazz than electronic techno-
 
Any tips/ suggestions appreciated-
 
Cliff
 
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C07EF5.8F10BCE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18243; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:18:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.42.94.154] From: "Saybolt" To: References: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> Subject: Re: repeater... Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:21:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 21:17:36.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[955C8AA0:01C07F38] Resent-Message-ID: <5JL92D.A.wcE.Ok2Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You all shine- While reading-in over the past few days, I thought I heard mention of organizing for a group purchase of the Electrix - Repeater. If anyone may know anything of this idea, or for that matter want to make anything of this idea; well, let's. May our collective strength of exposure, talent and great taste perhaps facilitate an Electrix' well-impressioned introductory discount or early release to a potentially new customer base? Libra ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Bonneville To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: repeater... > FYI: I have had a few very detailed talks with Elextrix about the Repeater. > In short, think of it as Acid meets Echoplex. It remains to be seen, but > every function that we specifically checked for in detailed questioning was > answered "YES - it's in there". From next loop to insert, etc. It all > appears to be there. Plus, you can build a loop and then RECORD your improv > over the loop and bring it like a snap into any WAV file based edting > program at 16 bit 44.1. Add some reverb and eq if necessary and you are set > to rip your CD of live performances! > > Doug > > Bon Communications, Inc. > Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia > www.boncommunications.com > email: info@boncommunications.com > ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:22:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18274; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:19:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:19:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD43@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: ad dendum Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F38.908C8C00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F38.908C8C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > so . . . some further thoughts about this: > > 1. how much looping has to be in a performance before it can qualify as > being advertised on this list? for about a 30-minute performance, i had > loops going for maybe 7-8 minutes - - very approximate time here. the tape > guy was 30+ minutes of all looping, yet was deemed boring . . . is MUSIC the > goal or LOOPING? how about one in service of the other? is there some > delineated way in which one needs to use the tools before it is deemed > looping? I don't think any, if it's specified up front. ** explain please. There's absolutely a certain level of 'take it or leave it' in any art; you're paying to see someone else's interpretation of art, not specifically to be entertained. ** yeah. I don't think this discussion was about 'I went to the gig, paid my lousy $2 to get in, and all I got was this nasty ringing in my ears" though that will always be someone's point of view, at any gig. ** there was a component of that here, but that's cool too. ** this reminds me that i saw the clash two times. the first was one of the best concerts i ever saw (right up there with old and new dreams, jack dejhonette with abercrombie and lester bowie, and some early mahavishnu stuff); second time i saw them i thought it was absolute crap. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F38.908C8C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: = ad dendum

> so . . . some further thoughts about = this:
>
> 1. how much looping has to be in a performance = before it can qualify as
> being advertised on this list? for about a = 30-minute performance, i had
> loops going for maybe 7-8 minutes - - very = approximate time here. the
tape
> guy was 30+ minutes of all looping, yet was = deemed boring . . . is MUSIC
the
> goal or LOOPING? how about one in service of = the other? is there some
> delineated way in which one needs to use the = tools before it is deemed
> looping?

I don't think any, if it's specified up front.

** explain please.

There's absolutely a certain level of 'take it or = leave it' in
any art; you're paying to see someone else's = interpretation of art, not
specifically to be entertained.

** yeah.

I don't think this discussion was about 'I
went to the gig, paid my lousy $2 to get in, and all = I got was this nasty
ringing in my ears" though that will always be = someone's point of view, at
any gig.

** there was a component of that here, but that's = cool too.

** this reminds me that i saw the clash two times. = the first was one of the best concerts i ever saw (right up there with = old and new dreams, jack dejhonette with abercrombie and lester = bowie,  and some early mahavishnu stuff); second time i saw them i = thought it was absolute crap.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F38.908C8C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18769; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115132400.01d88c50@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:25:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: repeater... In-Reply-To: References: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saybolt (01:21 PM 01/15/01) wrote: > You all shine- > > While reading-in over the past few days, I thought I heard mention of >organizing for a group purchase of the Electrix - Repeater. If anyone may >know anything of this idea, or for that matter want to make anything of this >idea; well, let's. It's already in the works. Contact Jon at Alto Music. JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845.692.6922. Tell him that you want in on the Repeater group purchase from the Looper's Delight mailing list. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:32:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18882; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:31:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:31:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010115153019.006aec4c@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:30:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, MHO - Just be honest. If you hate it, fine. Love it, fine. It's all an opinion ... just an opinion. Remember, Capitol Records didn't want to release The Beatles in the US because they thought their music wouldn't sell to Americans. Elvis had a Very hard time getting played on "white" stations - sounded too "black." Hendrix? I heard bands covering Purple Haze long before Hendrix was being played on "underground radio." It's just an opinion. Deal with it. Michael At 01:06 PM 1/15/01 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, rich wrote: > >> This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively >> defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a >> fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their >> feelings? Hurt their career? >> >> Or should we be blatantly honest, since they did advertise here, and >> encouraged to come to the show and give our opinions? > >But why make derogatory and negative opinions public? It serves no useful >purpose and it is divisive. You might not enjoy a particular gig or album >but don't rant about how it "sucks" or is "worthless"..I can't see any >good out of language like that. Just say you didn't enjoy it and move >forward. > > > > >-- >travis salisbury >http://www.illuminetdesign.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19356; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c07f3b$9f6ea340$31a91597@invisibleloop> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C7C@migarexch01.maritz.com> <008b01c07f31$2b169840$31a91597@invisibleloop> Subject: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:39:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07F43.F6C1B440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2rmU3.A.JtE.952Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07F43.F6C1B440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose** my eh 16 = had problems after the sound check. why do i need to hear this from you? = i tend to pretty professional and i think that you are taking an = approach that assumes that i am not. why is that? i resent it if you = are. Excuse me if I gave the impression of thinking that you were or had been = not professional, far from my intentions. But for the rest, your reply = to Gary seemed to me to be the kind of criticism of someone who would = have been at least a bit upset if he had paid to get to see the show.=20 You told that the first performance was boring, that it tired you...and = that you didn't like the second part of the show... And yes, if I go to see a show which is told me (at least in the = brochure, gig spam or whatever else) to be done with the use of loops, I = want to see a show which is done using loops!!! It is not to question = about the quantity or the quality of the loops... I too find some fusion or modern jazz to be very self indulgent. Just to = say, I went last summer to see a show of John Scofield, who is an artist = which I admired, but I went away during the first half of the show, as = almost the 80% of the audience did, because I was really tired of = someone who was playing for himself just showing out how great he was at = playing dissonant guitar chords without a sense of continuity and = without any respect for the audience.And I had paid almost 20$ to hear = him play, just like all the others... As for Gary, I think that if someone thinks that something is shit he = must be free to tell it, but he has to use the right words, just not to = offend the sensibility of anyone reading his statements. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i = suppose it certainly is interesting to read all of this . . .=20 log-winded ramble here, please delete if this whole thing bores you = . . .=20 no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not trying to be "outer = than you." (some of my favorite reviews have been the "negative" ones, = often they describe not only the music [if you're lucky] but the = reviewer - - they set up a context for understanding.) gary, sorry you didn't like the gig.=20 even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't actually ever use = the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be too self-congratulatory. let = someone who's not in the band make that call. factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not all that i do; i = feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about the machine than = about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers there: 2 akai = headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll have three = loops going at once. i didn't last night because the music didn't take = me there. at one point i had two loops going, but my eh 16 was giving = me problems (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading the independent = loops. i also didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - the music didn't = take me there either. anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was feeling overwhlemed = by the logistics of the evening and didn't bring it.=20 re the rest of the night, here are my impressions.=20 joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an analog tape loop = (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other stuff) and fed = 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. interesting at = first and quickly became tiring for me. it made me want to hear = something else with what he was doing. (he normally is part of a trio = [solid eye] and i don't know how that works, maybe it works better in = that situation.) i was intrigued by how one could use or interact with = what he did. how i would play with him or structure music so what he did = would "work" for me. in that sense i liked it - - even though it didn't = work for me at that moment. it made me think.=20 annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really care for her thing at = all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her opening bit, but after = that i found what she did hard for me to take. not my cup o' tea. by the = way, she did "play" the guitar - - in other words it was her hitting the = strings. i enjoyed meeting her . . .=20 anna homler and me:=20 one bass player i know liked the fact that i wove some groove = playing in there (time); albeit it was short-lived. with anna, i think = that playing a *lot* of groove stuff could be a problem. we have done = some of that stuff in rehearsal, but last night didn't feel like the = time. melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess you didn't hear = that we actually improvised a song structure for the second or third = piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form (A-B-A-B-C [?]-A = - - or something like that), words (anna sings in her own made-up = language) and what i considered a melody.=20 i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in that context, i = would be totally missing the point of what anna is about - - and then it = becomes more about that than it does a real collaboration. i think that = anna's strength is in creating little atmospheres of nuance, color, = texture and feeling. little worlds that live on their own. whether that = appeals to you is a whole other story. the fun thing about playing with = anna is the challenge of trying to go there and create that with her - = - but i think that's the fun thing about most improv, trying to create = with other people and having a mutual striving for a new created space. = sort of like a relationship, i suppose. on the other hand, one does have = to want to be there to hear it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool = too.=20 (if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane thing, i'd suggest = the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, either the first cd or = the next cd which even has some *minimal* loopage on it; if you wanna = structured composition/improvisation i'd suggest my quartetto cds or my = cd coming out in 2001, with mark dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom = varner and a 7-piece backing band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in = influenced tunes with solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds = like a combination of ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this = little thing is to say that what anna and are trying to create is only = part of what i do. since you went to the getty, perhaps this analogy = might do: it's like the difference between water color, oil painting, = lithography, collage and drawing with charcoal - - or impressionism, = expressionism, pre-raphaelites, pop art, chairusco, cubism etc.; they = all have very different moods and INTENTS. and you either like 'em or = you don't.) the funny thing about this gig was that there were other people who = seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. amazing really. i = guess that it shows everyone has their own taste.=20 for what it's worth i've done my share of more commercial music = (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to lots of pop music = and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a stranger to those sorts of = things. this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots of gigs of people = where i had friends who hated what the performer was doing - - it didn't = fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, not what the person = was offering. i have a slightly different take on this: sometimes the = gigs that i hated the most were the most beneficial to me as a = played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own aesthetic, = taught me what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what was useful to = me and what wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph hammer's performance = and what i didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a succesful gig for you! = ;-) lastly, here is where the problem may be. your "agenda" was not = fulfilled. you said:=20 "But I want this technology, and let me be specific--I want the use=20 of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better = understood and=20 more accepted. It is important to me."=20 now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done the accumulated = "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've been using delays to = loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is now. ya know? to each = his own, i suppose. gary, thanks for coming.=20 to others, thanks for words of support.=20 steuart=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07F43.F6C1B440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i = suppose
** my = eh 16  had problems after = the sound check. why do i need to = hear this=20 from you? i tend to pretty professional and i think that you are taking = an=20 approach that assumes that i am not. why is=20 that? i resent it if you are.
 
Excuse me if I gave the impression of = thinking=20 that you were or had been not professional, far from my intentions. But = for the=20 rest, your reply to Gary seemed to me to be the kind of criticism of = someone who=20 would have been at least a bit upset if he had paid to get to = see the=20 show.
 
You told = that the first=20 performance was boring, that it tired you...and that you didn't like the = second=20 part of the show...
 
And yes, if = I go to see a=20 show which is told me (at least in the brochure, gig spam or whatever=20 else) to be done with the use of loops, I want to see a show = which is=20 done using loops!!! It is not to question about the quantity or the = quality of=20 the loops...
 
I too find = some fusion or=20 modern jazz to be very self indulgent. Just to say, I went last = summer to=20 see a show of John Scofield, who is an artist which I admired, but I = went away=20 during the first half of the show, as almost the 80% of the audience = did,=20 because I was really tired of someone who was playing for himself just = showing=20 out how great he was at playing dissonant guitar chords without a sense = of=20 continuity and without any respect for the audience.And I had paid = almost 20$ to=20 hear him play, just like all the others...
As for Gary, = I think that if = someone thinks that=20 something is shit he must be free to tell it, but he has to = use the=20 right words, just not to offend the sensibility of anyone reading his=20 statements.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Monday, January 15, = 2001 7:36=20 PM
Subject: RE: Disappointed in = Hollywood=20 - - to each his own, i suppose

it certainly is interesting to read all of this . = . .=20

log-winded ramble here, please delete if this = whole thing=20 bores you .  .  .

no, i don't mind the criticism. no we're not = trying to be=20 "outer than you." (some of my favorite reviews have been the = "negative"=20 ones, often they describe not only the music [if you're lucky] but = the=20 reviewer   - - they set up a context for=20 understanding.)



gary, sorry you didn't like the gig.

even though it might've helped you out, i wouldn't = actually=20 ever use the term "cutting-edge" as it seems to be too = self-congratulatory.=20 let someone who's not in the band make that call.



factoids: yes i did some looping - - it's just not = all that=20 i do; i feel that if i do it too much it becomes more about the = machine than=20 about me. it's an artistic choice. i had three loopers there: 2 akai = headrushs, 1 electroharmonix 16-second delay. often i'll have three = loops=20 going at once. i didn't last night because the music didn't take me = there.=20 at one point i had  two loops going, but my eh 16 was giving me = problems (s***), so i had some trouble cross-fading the independent = loops. i=20 also didn't use my flanger, which i set up - - the music didn't take = me=20 there either.

anna was supposed to bring her looper, but was = feeling=20 overwhlemed by the logistics of the evening and didn't bring it.=20



re the rest of the night, here are my impressions. =

joseph hammer: he was ALL looping, it was only an = analog=20 tape loop (surprised me actually). used cds (and maybe some other = stuff) and=20 fed 'em into a analog tape loop and manipulated manually. = interesting at=20 first and quickly became tiring for me. it made me want to hear = something=20 else with what he was doing. (he normally is part of a trio [solid = eye] and=20 i don't know how that works, maybe it works better in that = situation.) i was=20 intrigued by how one could use or interact with what he did. how i = would=20 play with him or structure music so what he did would "work" for me. = in that=20 sense i liked it  - - even though it didn't work for me at that = moment.=20 it made me think.


annie perish (?): to be honest i didn't really = care for her=20 thing at all - - well that's not quite true, i liked her opening = bit, but=20 after that i found what she did hard for me to take. not my cup o' = tea. by=20 the way, she did "play" the guitar - - in other words it was her = hitting the=20 strings.  i enjoyed meeting her . . .


anna homler and me:
one = bass player=20 i know liked the fact that i wove some groove playing in there = (time);=20 albeit it was short-lived. with anna, i think that playing a *lot* = of groove=20 stuff could be a problem. we have done some of that stuff in = rehearsal, but=20 last night didn't feel like the time.

melody - - perhaps *even* more subjective, i guess = you=20 didn't hear that we actually improvised a song structure for the = second or=20 third piece. at least i thought it was a song - - it had form = (A-B-A-B-C=20 [?]-A - - or something like that), words (anna sings in her own = made-up=20 language) and what i considered a melody.

i'd say that if i played like ornette or cecil in = that=20 context, i would be totally missing the point of what anna is about = - - and=20 then it becomes more about that than it does a real collaboration. i = think=20 that anna's strength is in creating little atmospheres of nuance, = color,=20 texture and feeling. little worlds that live on their own. whether = that=20 appeals to you is a whole other story. the fun thing about playing = with anna=20 is the challenge of  trying to go there and create that with = her - -=20 but i think that's the fun thing about most improv, trying to create = with=20 other people and having a mutual striving for a new created space. = sort of=20 like a relationship, i suppose. on the other hand, one does have to = want to=20 be there to hear it, and if you don't . . . well that's cool too.=20

(if you wanna hear the closer to ornette/coltrane = thing, i'd=20 suggest the trio i do with vinny golia and billy mintz, either the = first cd=20 or the next cd which even has some *minimal* loopage on it; if you = wanna=20 structured composition/improvisation i'd suggest my quartetto cds or = my cd=20 coming out in 2001, with mark dresser, nels cline, vinny golia, tom = varner=20 and a 7-piece backing band; or if you wanna hear rootsy, blues-in = influenced=20 tunes with solos, the hoped-for cd with my band that sounds like a=20 combination of ornette and little walter ;-) the point of this = little thing=20 is to say that what anna and are trying to create is only part of = what i do.=20 since you went to the getty, perhaps this analogy might do: it's = like the=20 difference between water color, oil painting, lithography, collage = and=20 drawing with charcoal - - or impressionism, expressionism, = pre-raphaelites,=20 pop art, chairusco, cubism etc.; they all have very different moods = and=20 INTENTS. and you either like 'em or you don't.)

the funny thing about this gig was that there were = other=20 people who seemed to really like it - - i mean REALLY LIKED IT. = amazing=20 really. i guess that it shows everyone has their own taste. =

for what it's worth i've done my share of more = commercial=20 music (playing with the coasters next weekend), listen to lots of = pop music=20 and late romantic symphonic music . . . not a stranger to those = sorts of=20 things.

this whole thing reminds me that i've gone to lots = of gigs=20 of people where i had friends who hated what the performer was doing = - - it=20 didn't fit THIER idea of music, what they WANTED to hear, not what = the=20 person was offering. i have a slightly different take on this: = sometimes the=20 gigs that i hated the most were the most beneficial to me as a=20 played/composer/musician - - they made me confront my own aesthetic, = taught=20 me what i would and wouldn't do, and taught me what was useful to me = and=20 what wasn't (i.e., what i liked about joseph hammer's performance = and what i=20 didn't). in this light maybe it WAS a succesful gig for you!=20 ;-)


lastly, here is where the problem may be. your = "agenda" was=20 not fulfilled. you said:
"But I want this=20 technology, and let me be specific--I want the use
of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be = better=20 understood and
more accepted.  It is = important=20 to me."

now, that's cool, and i may or may not have done = the=20 accumulated "sound-painting" in the 16 or so years that i've been = using=20 delays to loop, but it ain't exactly where my aesthetic is now. ya = know? to=20 each his own, i suppose.



gary, thanks for coming.

to others, thanks for words of support. =

steuart =

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07F43.F6C1B440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:45:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19345; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.235] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:40:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 21:40:41.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEC07010:01C07F3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If they put out a comic book (which is the type of art they do) and it was panned, I guess it would depend on the manner of the "panning". If it was a bad review in a print publication or other non-interactive medium such as a review website, I'm pretty sure they would deal with that. Bad criticism, in and of itself, is not really the issue that concerns me here. The issue is the manner in which it is delivered. One thing that has been touched on is the fact that criticizing another artist is a double-edged sword - it could damage you as much as it damages your "target". If the best you can come up with is "it sucks/you suck" without some explanation, what does that say about you? If you go overboard in your choice of vocabulary, what does that say about you? I really don't know what I would do, Dave, if your music actually sucked. Would I tell it to your face? Would I broadcast it here on Loopers Delight for all to see? I'm inclined to think I'd rather say it in person, in private, rather than on the list because I have too much respect for you. Perhaps you'd want me to deal with it in a different way, but then that wouldn't be my style. Damn, Dave, how about put out some crap for a change, so we can test this theory? :) Paolo From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:47:48 -0500 Paolo, what if they posted their art show in front of a bunch of other artists? Could they be upset if another artist calls what they do 'crap'? This is what happens when you say 'hey, look at me'. You secretly hope they like you, but may get upset when they don't. I am all for being supportive in a community, and I am the first one to encourage people to get out there and do their thing. No matter how wonderful you are, there will always be people who publicly hate what you do. Every performer learns this at some point, just like we are seeing here. If an artist isn't on this list, is it ok to say that you saw a show that sucked? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com >I mean, would I ever feel so strongly that I would not mind publicly >humiliating my friend just to drive home to him the intensity of said >"suckage"? > >This is what I'm driving at. > >Thanks, >Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:46:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19470; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:35:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: repeater... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Using SoundDiver for my synths is much nicer than using the front >panels to tweak my sounds and the same might be true of the Repeater as >well. Can anyone tell me if Soundiver is the answer to my synth woes? I recently purchased an Alesis QS6.1, and added a Qcard with the vintage synths (It was the most viable replacement when my buddy asked to have his '67 Vox Jaguar back...damn...after i fixed it, too...) The problem i'm having is understanding the effects architecture, and most specifically how the controller bars interact with the effects. I'm struggling to get some sort of real-time control over the voicings and/or the effects. Anybody have any suggestions? I wrote to Alesis tech support, but no reply. Is there an Alesis synth users group someone could point me to? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:48:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19982; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:46:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:46:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD41@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD41@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:37:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: ad dendum Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1232527828==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1232527828==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >just because you didn't like it doesn't necessarily mean that you >are ripped off. > >stig > sorry, i had to return this because i liked it even better out of context...can we apply this in an abstract, "here's your life" sort of way? :) rich --============_-1232527828==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i
just because you didn't like it doesn't necessarily mean that you are ripped off.
 
stig
 

sorry, i had to return this because i liked it even better out of context...can we apply this in an abstract, "here's your life" sort of way?  :)

rich
--============_-1232527828==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 16:52:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20151; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:50:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b601c07f3c$13e5b380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:42:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two comments: 1) > Or should we be blatantly honest, since they did advertise here, and > encouraged to come to the show and give our opinions? But what is "blatantly honest"? Somebody can say, "I thought the show was crap." and that is an honest statement. But saying, "The show was crap." is not. That statement purports to speak for everybody. And the critic can't honestly do that. Now I don't think Gary was trying to speak for anybody but himself but we need to communicate more clearly. 2) Good God, Steuart! I wish I could get as much "press coverage" out of my gigs! Hey, Gary, can you review my next gig? :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:02:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21195; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:52:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I forgot to add another point: > >Depending on the harshness of your public comments towards a fellow >lister's work, the career being hurt could be your own. > >Paolo Jeepers, i do have to get some actual work done today...but i'm not sure if i understand the above statement. How would nasty comments by Gary hurt Gary's career? BTW, i wasn't advocating being nasty or derogative to anyone on the list. I think what i was trying to say was if you are willing to don the label of being 'experimental' and 'avante garde', i feel that you really can't be too sensitive to the reaction. If you've got the balls to advertise yourself as something outside the circle (however tame and milquetoast the circle may be), you really can't complain if those folks in the circle either throw a few stones at you, or close the door behind ya. Yes, the original post was nasty, and Gary could have been more constructive, even if he didn't like it. I don't condone his method...I'm just not going to say "oh, poor Stuart". Stuart seemed to indicate the same attitude in his responses. He was confident enough in what he did that Gary's interpretations were his own. gots to go ta work, seeya! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22017; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:14:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:14:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101152213.OAA12602@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:14:56 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP, footswitch problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey why not just get a coupla 'boss' FS-5U on/off pedals-one for record and one for overdub.they work great...stanner ---------- >From: petr dolak >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: EDP, footswitch problem >Date: Mon, Jan 15, 2001, 10:13 AM > >I am trying to use a separate footswitch to control Record and >Overdub functions on my EDP. I am using Yamaha sustain footswitch, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:19:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22224; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:17:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:17:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD44@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.A0F26AD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.A0F26AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excuse me if I gave the impression of thinking that you were or had been not professional, far from my intentions. But for the rest, your reply to Gary seemed to me to be the kind of criticism of someone who would have been at least a bit upset if he had paid to get to see the show. ** okay. i really believe that gary has every right to say what he wants to say. i was merely pointing out that sometimes the gigs that i don't like are gigs that i learn from the most. it was pretty much my take on the evening that we both witnessed (at least the first two parts). i think the term ripped-off would be the one that got me as it connotates some sort of stealing or dishonsety. we kind of agreed on the first two sets with some quibbles and then disagreed on my brilliant set ;-) You told that the first performance was boring, that it tired you...and that you didn't like the second part of the show... ** yeah. but in the first set there were things that i got out of it (and i said so); and i liked the opening of annie's set (and i said so). so all was not lost. And yes, if I go to see a show which is told me (at least in the brochure, gig spam or whatever else) to be done with the use of loops, I want to see a show which is done using loops!!! It is not to question about the quantity or the quality of the loops... ** well . . . there were loops! by my reckoning i did loops through about one third to one quarter of the set. maybe you wouldn't like 'em, but they were there. i did 'em, i heard 'em, i did stuff with 'em. As for Gary, I think that if someone thinks that something is shit he must be free to tell it, but he has to use the right words, just not to offend the sensibility of anyone reading his statements ** right. though i really didn't feel so offended . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.A0F26AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose
 
Excuse me if I gave the impression of thinking that you were or had been not professional, far from my intentions. But for the rest, your reply to Gary seemed to me to be the kind of criticism of someone who would have been at least a bit upset if he had paid to get to see the show.  
 
** okay. i really believe that gary has every right to say what he wants to say. i was merely pointing out that sometimes the gigs that i don't like are gigs that i learn from the most. it was pretty much my take on the evening that we both witnessed (at least the first two parts). i think the term ripped-off would be the one that got me as it connotates some sort of stealing or dishonsety. we kind of agreed on the first two sets with some quibbles and then disagreed on my brilliant set ;-)
 
You told that the first performance was boring, that it tired you...and that you didn't like the second part of the show... 
 
** yeah. but in the first set there were things that i got out of it (and i said so); and i liked the opening of annie's set (and i said so). so all was not lost. 
 
And yes, if I go to see a show which is told me (at least in the brochure, gig spam or whatever else) to be done with the use of loops, I want to see a show which is done using loops!!! It is not to question about the quantity or the quality of the loops... 
 
** well . . . there were loops! by my reckoning i did loops through about one third to one quarter of the set. maybe you wouldn't like 'em, but they were there. i did 'em, i heard 'em, i did stuff with 'em.
 
 
 As for Gary, I think that if someone thinks that something is shit he must be free to tell it, but he has to use the right words, just not to offend the sensibility of anyone reading his statements 
 
** right. though i really didn't feel so offended . . .
 
stig
------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.A0F26AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:20:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22312; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:18:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:18:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD45@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.D43743C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.D43743C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 2) Good God, Steuart! I wish I could get as much "press coverage" out of my gigs! Hey, Gary, can you review my next gig? :) ** yeah i was thinking the same thing. gary your $15% ($3.00) is in the mail!!! :-) s ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.D43743C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Responding to "gig spam"

2)
Good God, Steuart!  I wish I could get as much "press coverage" out of my
gigs!  Hey, Gary, can you review my next gig?  :)


** yeah i was thinking the same thing. gary your $15% ($3.00) is in the mail!!! :-)

s

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F40.D43743C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23158; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:33:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:33:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A637AC7.16A3D4E5@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:33:43 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SoundDiver References: <200101152216.RAA22168@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ppg1D.A.epF.Zq3Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One man's opinion - it's the buggiest piece of software I own. I know that other people have had more success with it; and to give them credit, eMagic's user support is quite good - I just got to the point where I threw in the towel. If you decide that this is "the answer" for you, I have a copy that I can give you a good price on :) Elby > > > Subject: Re: repeater... > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:35:07 -0800 > From: rich > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Using SoundDiver for my synths is much nicer than using the front > >panels to tweak my sounds and the same might be true of the Repeater > as > >well. > > Can anyone tell me if Soundiver is the answer to my synth woes? I > recently purchased an Alesis QS6.1, and added a Qcard with the > vintage synths (It was the most viable replacement when my buddy > asked to have his '67 Vox Jaguar back...damn...after i fixed it, > too...) > > The problem i'm having is understanding the effects architecture, and > most specifically how the controller bars interact with the effects. > I'm struggling to get some sort of real-time control over the > voicings and/or the effects. > > Anybody have any suggestions? I wrote to Alesis tech support, but no > reply. Is there an Alesis synth users group someone could point me > to? > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23539; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:42:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A630F59.7D8C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:55:20 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" References: <04b601c07f3c$13e5b380$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0uwbt.A.SvF.Ly3Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few more thoughts y'all. 1) People who are publicly performing or releasing work should certainly be prepared to face negative criticism. Whether or not it's informed or reasonable criticism is another matter entirely, of course, but that's the way it goes. You can't go through life worrying about whether or not a bad comment is going to adversely affect someone's career. All of the important and enduring musicians I can think of shouldered plenty of criticism and opposition in their time. As an old school teacher of mine used to say, "If you go through life without offending anyone, you probably aren't a very dynamic or interesting person." In Steuart's case, the guy is basically an institution in the LA new music scene, and it's going to take a lot more than one irate post on an email list for him to start worrying about his professional future. 2) I once had an exchange with a critic who gave a bad review of my album. I had a very civil exchange with the reviewer, and we both handled it well. But he did say one thing which I found extremely odd, when he was explaining his approach and his position, which was: "In other words, the artist's musical objectives don't enter into my opinion as to whether or not the CD is a good listen." I personally think this is a truly bizarre thing to hear coming from a critic, and it sort of sums up my reaction to the whole "responses" thread. If you're not going to judge something on the basis of the intentions behind its having been made, and the context in which it was done, then what on earth are you going to contribute by making a criticism in the first place? That for me is the crux of the whole issue here. Sure, voice your opinion if you want, and if you need to vent then go ahead and do so. But it's a lot more useful to EVERYONE if you can actually give some meaning and context to your comments. Finally, it sure is refreshing to see how civil people are treating the whole thing. Anyway. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 17:51:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23752; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C07F03.078A2FA0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SoundDiver Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:54:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which version of Sound diver are you refering to? 2.0 was shaky, especially with particular synths. 3.0 rocks though. Alesis midi is a PIA to work with, is what I can gather from band members trying to set up a DAW station. bIz On Monday, January 15, 2001 2:34 PM, Mountain Man [SMTP:mtman@cloud9.net] wrote: > One man's opinion - it's the buggiest piece of software I own. I know > that other people have had more success with it; and to give them > credit, eMagic's user support is quite good - I just got to the point > where I threw in the towel. If you decide that this is "the answer" for > you, I have a copy that I can give you a good price on :) > > Elby > > > > > > > Subject: Re: repeater... > > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:35:07 -0800 > > From: rich > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > >Using SoundDiver for my synths is much nicer than using the front > > >panels to tweak my sounds and the same might be true of the Repeater > > as > > >well. > > > > Can anyone tell me if Soundiver is the answer to my synth woes? I > > recently purchased an Alesis QS6.1, and added a Qcard with the > > vintage synths (It was the most viable replacement when my buddy > > asked to have his '67 Vox Jaguar back...damn...after i fixed it, > > too...) > > > > The problem i'm having is understanding the effects architecture, and > > most specifically how the controller bars interact with the effects. > > I'm struggling to get some sort of real-time control over the > > voicings and/or the effects. > > > > Anybody have any suggestions? I wrote to Alesis tech support, but no > > reply. Is there an Alesis synth users group someone could point me > > to? > > > > best, > > > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24456; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:02:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:02:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD46@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:01:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F47.1087E180" Resent-Message-ID: <1LdKqB.A.t9F.CG4Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F47.1087E180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BTW, i wasn't advocating being nasty or derogative to anyone on the list. I think what i was trying to say was if you are willing to don the label of being 'experimental' and 'avante garde', i feel that you really can't be too sensitive to the reaction. If you've got the balls to advertise yourself as something outside the circle (however tame and milquetoast the circle may be), you really can't complain if those folks in the circle either throw a few stones at you, or close the door behind ya. ** besides which, most people just don't care. think of how many billions of people there are in the world, now think of how many listen to western music, then think about how many listen to non-pop music . . . if you keep going down, i think that you'll get to a point where MAYBE one tenth of one percent of the world's population could concievably, at any given point in time, care about what anyone on this list is doing. and the rest will either be indifferent or hate it - - or not. i do what i do because i believe in it; it sure ain't to prove to humanity how clever i am or to make the big bucks, it IS nice to have some people who seem to care and support it, though. (this could speak to the rip-off/dishonesty/stealing/self-indulgence sub-threads). it would be a lot easier to NOT do it, dig? Yes, the original post was nasty, and Gary could have been more constructive, even if he didn't like it. I don't condone his method...I'm just not going to say "oh, poor Stuart". ** woe, oh woe is me . . . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F47.1087E180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Responding to "gig spam"

BTW, i wasn't advocating being nasty or derogative to = anyone on the
list.  I think what i was trying to say was if = you are willing to don
the label of being 'experimental' and 'avante = garde', i feel that you
really can't be too sensitive to the reaction.  = If you've got the
balls to advertise yourself as something outside the = circle (however
tame and milquetoast the circle may be), you really = can't complain if
those folks in the circle either throw a few stones = at you, or close
the door behind ya.

** besides which, most people just don't care. think = of how many billions of people there are in the world, now think of how = many listen to western music, then think about how many listen to = non-pop music . . . if you keep going down, i think that you'll get to = a point where MAYBE one tenth of one percent of the world's population = could concievably, at any given point in time, care about what anyone = on this list is doing. and the rest will either be indifferent or hate = it - - or not. i do what i do because i believe in it; it sure ain't to = prove to humanity how clever i am or to make the big bucks, it IS nice = to have some people who seem to care and support it, though. (this = could speak to the rip-off/dishonesty/stealing/self-indulgence = sub-threads). it would be a lot easier to NOT do it, dig?

Yes, the original post was nasty, and Gary could have = been more
constructive, even if he didn't like it.  I = don't condone his
method...I'm just not going to say "oh, poor = Stuart".

** woe, oh woe is me . . .

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F47.1087E180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:11:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24675; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:08:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.235] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:07:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 23:07:33.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[F18366A0:01C07F47] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was referring to your musical career, if building such a thing matters to you. Assuming that it does, and that you want to play in public, you need to places to play. You may even need people to play with you, help with production/recording/etc, help you promote your music, etc. Right now, right this second, you don't know who might be "listening in" on this list that you might alienate with certain types of behavior. Maybe that awesome percussionist who might have played with you. Maybe that lady who owns an art gallery/performance space. Etc. etc. That's all I'm saying. If you are strictly at "play at home only" musician or not a musician at all, then I guess none of what I just said really matters and you can flame away without fear of consequences. :) Paolo From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:52:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: I forgot to add another point: Depending on the harshness of your public comments towards a fellow lister's work, the career being hurt could be your own. Paolo Jeepers, i do have to get some actual work done today...but i'm not sure if i understand the above statement. How would nasty comments by Gary hurt Gary's career? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:13:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24797; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:11:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.235] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:10:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 23:10:24.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[571C01C0:01C07F48] Resent-Message-ID: <8nGzjD.A.WCG.9N4Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW, I've tried to avoid singling out Gary in particular. I have to acknowledge and respect that he did offer an apology. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25386; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:32:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD47@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i suppose: ad dendum Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:30:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F4B.1E979820" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F4B.1E979820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" sorry, i had to return this because i liked it even better out of context...can we apply this in an abstract, "here's your life" sort of way? :) yes ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F4B.1E979820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood - - to each his own, i
 

sorry, i had to return this because i liked it even better out of context...can we apply this in an abstract, "here's your life" sort of way?  :) 
 
yes 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F4B.1E979820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:34:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25439; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3A630F59.7D8C@altruistmusic.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > "In other words, the artist's musical objectives don't enter into my > opinion as to whether or not the CD is a good listen." wow, thats a great quote, and i certainly agree. i don't need to know the history or intentions of an artist to know if i like what i hear. musical intentions are clearly displayed in a magical CD/performance. on the other hand, if the intentions don't come through in the music alone, people can sense that too. i don't think music can only be good in a certain context- to me, it is good or it isn't, no matter what context it is in. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25839; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:36:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:36:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:35:17 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: So Cal gig spam - Disappointment in Hollyweird... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA25780 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BTW: Stig... Can I have Gary's refund? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:39:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25818; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:33:58 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA25514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 01/15/01 03:02PM >>> ** besides which, most people just don't care. think of how many billions of people there are in the world, now think of how many listen to western music, then think about how many listen to non-pop music . . . if you keep going down, i think that you'll get to a point where MAYBE one tenth of one percent of the world's population could concievably, at any given point in time, care about what anyone on this list is doing. and the rest will either be indifferent or hate it - - or not. i do what i do because i believe in it; it sure ain't to prove to humanity how clever i am or to make the big bucks, it IS nice to have some people who seem to care and support it, though. (this could speak to the rip-off/dishonesty/stealing/self-indulgence sub-threads). it would be a lot easier to NOT do it, dig? Or as the late Sonny Sharrock related to his upset and crying wife (who had performed with him) after a gig involving serious audience retreat. "Now do you want to see me clear out the ushers?" Steuart... ** woe, oh woe is me . . . I'll bet your kids beat up on you too! 8-) Is there anything we can all do to ease the misery? (A probe has been dispatched to Gary's exact locus this very moment! The GPS tracking system is functioning perfectly!) Sometimes a bad review helps me remember just how diverse and factionalized the world is. Strange times indeed... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:48:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26414; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:42:42 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA26348 Resent-Message-ID: <4PCmeD.A._bG.3s4Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre LaFosse wrote... > Finally, it sure is refreshing to see how civil people are treating the whole thing. Yep... we done took a bad thing and looped it until it sounded GOOD! Anything new ready for release Andre? What are YOU up to lately? Best -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 18:55:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26750; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:53:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:53:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:49:06 EST Subject: gig shmig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.107ba3c.2794e672_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 149 Resent-Message-ID: <4VffKC.A.dhG.Fz4Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_cd.107ba3c.2794e672_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/15/2001 5:33:37 PM Central Standard Time, artists@hazardfactor.com writes: > i don't think music can only be good in a certain context- > to me, it is good or it isn't, no matter what context it is in. > > If it SOUNDS good, it IS good. -- Louis Armstrong Some of you guys should mebbe watch the Ken Burns JAZZ film on PBS, so you can see that ANYTHING musical risks audience loathing. Wait until we get to Ornette and his plastic saxophone. Otherwise, we have DELETE keys, and when a movie sucks, we can always walk out, or stop the tape, or whatever. (You want your money back? I don't charge for playing. I charge to haul my equipment.) Empower yourself, and don't be a victim. Then acquire grace enough to be kind, even when you don't like something. The function of criticism is not to slash tires, it's to illuminate things with a different light. Kevin (who, at his last gig, played for two hours for four people)* *loop content galore --part1_cd.107ba3c.2794e672_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/15/2001 5:33:37 PM Central Standard Time,
artists@hazardfactor.com writes:


i don't think music can only be good in a certain context-
to me, it is good or it isn't, no matter what context it is in.



If it SOUNDS good, it IS good.

-- Louis Armstrong

Some of you guys should mebbe watch the Ken Burns JAZZ film on PBS, so you
can see that ANYTHING musical risks audience loathing.  Wait until we get to
Ornette and his plastic saxophone.

Otherwise, we have DELETE keys, and when a movie sucks, we can always walk
out, or stop the tape, or whatever.  (You want your money back?  I don't
charge for playing.  I charge to haul my equipment.)  Empower yourself, and
don't be a victim.  Then acquire grace enough to be kind, even when you don't
like something.  The function of criticism is not to slash tires, it's to
illuminate things with a different light.

Kevin

(who, at his last gig, played for two hours for four people)*
*loop content galore --part1_cd.107ba3c.2794e672_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 19:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28408; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD4A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Responding to "gig spam" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07F52.1D30B0F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F52.1D30B0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" andre was saying: 1) People who are publicly performing or releasing work should certainly be prepared to face negative criticism. Whether or not it's informed or reasonable criticism is another matter entirely, of course, but that's the way it goes. ** which brings up the interesting thing about being supportive just because people are getting up there - - like or dislike! if they ask what i thought i try to give specifics about what worked for me, or what didn't . . . You can't go through life worrying about whether or not a bad comment is going to adversely affect someone's career. All of the important and enduring musicians I can think of shouldered plenty of criticism and opposition in their time. As an old school teacher of mine used to say, "If you go through life without offending anyone, you probably aren't a very dynamic or interesting person." ** yep! In Steuart's case, the guy is basically an institution in the LA new music scene, and it's going to take a lot more than one irate post on an email list for him to start worrying about his professional future. ** don't you mean "basically institutionalized"? (thanks) "In other words, the artist's musical objectives don't enter into my opinion as to whether or not the CD is a good listen." ** so it was all about HIM? that is damn bizarre. but i suppose that when it comes down to it, that could said for many of us at one time or another. this is one thing that drives me crazy about crits in major papers, they send someone who hates heavy metal to do a review of a hm show!!! why? the guy doesn't even undersatnd the context. send someone who likes the style and understands what works and doesn't. i saw the dave e. thought that this was a fair statement: i have to say that critics tend to go in with their own objectives/biases, they're not clean slates. they have their own agendas and often they have NOTHING to do with the music (film, etc.) at hand. here's one, leonard feather writing about a gig i did with les mccann back in the '70s (late teens/early 20s), all by way of an intended put-down: "guitarists miroslaw kudikowski and and steuart liebig, both closer to clapton than kessel . . . " of course, he thought that was a put down - - it's not jazz (woe!). a friend said to me, "i'd much rather sound like clapton instead of kessel any day of the week"! to each his own. if i go expecting something and get disappointed by getting another, is that the artist's problem or mine? would i have a different experience if i went without expectations or agendas? If you're not going to judge something on the basis of the intentions behind its having been made, and the context in which it was done, then what on earth are you going to contribute by making a criticism in the first place? ** yep! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F52.1D30B0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Responding to "gig spam"

andre was saying:

1) People who are publicly performing or releasing = work should certainly
be prepared to face negative criticism.  = Whether or not it's informed or
reasonable criticism is another matter entirely, of = course, but that's
the way it goes.

** which brings up the interesting thing about being = supportive just because people are getting up there - - like or = dislike! if they ask what i thought i try to give specifics about what = worked for me, or what didn't . . .

You can't go through life worrying about whether or = not a bad comment is
going to adversely affect someone's career.  = All of the important and
enduring musicians I can think of shouldered plenty = of criticism and
opposition in their time.  As an old school = teacher of mine used to say,
"If you go through life without offending = anyone, you probably aren't a
very dynamic or interesting person."


** yep!

In Steuart's case, the guy is basically an = institution in the LA new
music scene, and it's going to take a lot more than = one irate post on an
email list for him to start worrying about his = professional future.

** don't you mean "basically = institutionalized"? (thanks)


"In other words, the artist's musical objectives = don't enter into my
opinion as to whether or not the CD is a good = listen."

** so it was all about HIM? that is damn bizarre. but = i suppose that when it comes down to it, that could said for many of us = at one time or another. this is one thing that drives me crazy about = crits in major papers, they send someone who hates heavy metal to do a = review of a hm show!!! why? the guy doesn't even undersatnd the = context. send someone who likes the style and understands what works = and doesn't.  i saw the dave e. thought that this was a fair = statement: i have to say that critics tend to go in with their own = objectives/biases, they're not clean slates. they have their own = agendas and often they have NOTHING to do with the music (film, etc.) = at hand. here's one, leonard feather writing about a gig i did with les = mccann back in the '70s (late teens/early 20s), all by way of an = intended put-down: "guitarists miroslaw kudikowski and and steuart = liebig, both closer to clapton than kessel . . . " of course, he = thought that was a put down - - it's not jazz (woe!). a friend said to = me, "i'd much rather sound like clapton instead of kessel any day = of the week"! to each his own. if i go expecting something and get = disappointed by getting another, is that the artist's problem or mine? = would i have a different experience if i went without expectations or = agendas?


If you're not going to judge something on the basis = of the intentions
behind its having been made, and the context in = which it was done, then
what on earth are you going to contribute by making = a criticism in the
first place? 


** yep!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C07F52.1D30B0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 20:29:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30347; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:27:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:27:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6335D8.224F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:39:36 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Critiquing the critics (was: Re: Responding to "gig spam") References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A critic o mine say: > > "In other words, the artist's musical objectives don't enter into my > > opinion as to whether or not the CD is a good listen." To which Dave E say: > wow, thats a great quote, and i certainly agree. i don't need to know > the > history or intentions of an artist to know if i like what i hear. and Steuart "Man of the hour" say: > so it was all about HIM? that is damn bizarre. Here's the thing: I agree that music ideally shouldn't need an instruction manual to validate its existence. It should hold up on its own merits, and a listener is free to like it or not, regardless of any extra-musical baggage. But there are a couple of things to consider. First of all, not all music is meant to be listened to in the same sort of way. Different styles and approaches have their own different internal logic, and if someone isn't well versed in a certain approach, then they might not be hearing everything there is to hear. When a listener is exploring a new style of music, there's usually an initial "breaking in" period, during which time they get used to the way that particular style tends to operate. To listeners who aren't familiar with a genre, it does often "all sound the same" on first glance. So, for instance, if someone doesn't understand North Indian Classical music, they might think that the sitar player is running up and down a bunch of scales while the tabla player does some random patterns. They can certainly express these opinions if they like. But someone who knows what ragas and teehai's (sp?) are will have a different take on it. Or, someone who's new to jazz might hear the drummer placing hits is wierd places and solo sections beginning and ending seemingly at random, whereas a more seasoned ear can detect the form of the head being carried through the solos. And so forth. The second point is that this is the sort of thing that critics, ideally, are good for. If they understand a certain realm of music, and have some sense of the basis behind it, then they can offer an informed and authoritative opinion. If they don't understand it so well, then they're just saying if they like it or not. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But everybody and their dog has an opinion, and plenty of them are all too happy to share them. Ideally, a critic has more than just a "liked it/didn't like it" opinion: they have a background in the realm they're addressing, and a knowledge that gives their opinions some authority. Ideally, that is. Anyway. Enough from me for one day. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 20:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30780; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:37:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:37:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: paulreisler@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:37:48 -0500 To: "Douglas Bonneville" , "Loopers-Delight" From: Paul Reisler Subject: Re: repeater... Resent-Message-ID: <5MELgB.A.kfH._V6Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doug-- so where would one find some info on this repeater. sounds interesting. also is the group purchase thing mentioned about the repeater or something else. i'm new to the list this week. thanks paul reisler trapezoid At 2:24 PM -0500 1/15/01, Douglas Bonneville wrote: >FYI: I have had a few very detailed talks with Elextrix about the Repeater. >In short, think of it as Acid meets Echoplex. It remains to be seen, but >every function that we specifically checked for in detailed questioning was >answered "YES - it's in there". From next loop to insert, etc. It all >appears to be there. Plus, you can build a loop and then RECORD your improv >over the loop and bring it like a snap into any WAV file based edting >program at 16 bit 44.1. Add some reverb and eq if necessary and you are set >to rip your CD of live performances! > >Doug > >Bon Communications, Inc. >Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia >www.boncommunications.com >email: info@boncommunications.com >ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki Theatre PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com www.kitheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 20:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31064; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115173944.01d74860@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:42:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: repeater... In-Reply-To: References: <009801c07f28$c5bf4580$6601a8c0@wesley> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul Reisler (05:37 PM 01/15/01) wrote: >doug-- >so where would one find some info on this repeater. sounds interesting. http://www.electrixpro.com/ Click on "Products" Click on "Repeater" >also is the group purchase thing mentioned about the repeater or something >else. i'm new to the list this week. It's on the repeater. The music store supporting it is Alto Music. Contact Jon, JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845.692.6922. Tell him that you want in on the Repeater group purchase from the Looper's Delight mailing list. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 20:50:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31540; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: kcoyle@mail.black-hole.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:48:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Resent-Message-ID: <1txvqD.A.5nH.Wf6Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I agree that music ideally shouldn't need an instruction manual to >validate its existence. It should hold up on its own merits, and a >listener is free to like it or not, regardless of any extra-musical >baggage. On the other hand, there might be music that _requires_ some sort of education to understand -- isn't the world big enough for that? K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 21:25:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00653; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:22:19 EST Subject: Re: Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call Alto Music-845 692 6922-They ARE IN STOCK! --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call Alto Music-845 692 6922-They ARE IN STOCK! --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 21:30:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00961; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:28:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <009101c07f0d$8500d2e0$ea0c78d8@com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings all, My, my, the list is lively today. Interesting discussion... and I was there at the Knitting Factory last night too. Right in the front row. So, let me share with you my take on the evening. I understand where Gary is coming from in his comments... While I would have used different words to describe the experience, the substance of what he wrote in both the 'original' post and the follow-up detailed description is very accurate. Having been there at the performance, I would say that his comments cogently summed up the evening, once you properly interpret the emotionally-charged language. (And for the most part, even Steuart's own comments are consistent with Gary's on the first two acts). Given Gary's expectations, I don't think he was overly harsh. There has been some discussion today about what is musical. The issue of Gary's use of language aside, this is the crux of the matter, isn't it? A person's reaction to "music" depends on what they think music is, fundamentally... on how they DEFINE it. And, there are certainly many different definitions of what constitutes music, aren't there? And therein lies the rub... So, in trying to understand Gary's comments, we should note that his (and in fact, my own) expectations were that "music" would be heard last night... and that the evening was primarily intended to be a "musical" evening. Dictionary.com defines music as "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." Well, folks, I think Gary, and I, both expected a performance that would adhere to this definition, and with some looping thrown in to boot. For the most part, the performance last night felt merely continuous. In all honesty, the headlining act primarily consisted of Steuart using various objects and effects to make sound effect-type sounds on his bass, while occasionally fingering a few notes here and there. For her part, Anna made her own sound effects using a variety of common objects and toys, and occasionally sang words in tongues. I am not overstating this! Really, folks, in all honesty and trying to give Steuart every break I possibly can, you'd have to be using an extremely loose definition of the term "music" for that performance to qualify! I know that today Steuart has said that he did feel some structure there. And there was that one rhythmic thing on G and C (or A and D I forget which), where actual notes were played (and that was the best part of the set for me too). But a great deal of time was spent, for lack of a better descriptive phrase, merely making noises. And Anna, bless her heart, I think she really needed something else from you last night, Steuart, because all she could do was make goofy sound effects herself. You were the only one who had their hands on a true musical instrument. She was the icing on the cake - if you weren't making music, then music would not be had. >From the audience, the performance felt quite shy of being a musical event. If I may offer constructive comments, I think that what was needed was more rhythmic feel, a greater sense of structure, and much more looping. I know that Steuart said there was looping, but it was not the kind of looping that builds up a structure, that embellishes and enhances the notes and rhythms that went before it. The fact is, there were few occasions when the music felt like more than one person was playing it. The AABA structure Steuart mentioned earlier was not discernable in the audience because there was so LITTLE structure to the overall performance. There were awkward pauses after each "song" and before people began to clap. Why? Because people weren't sure the "song" was over. No one wanted to be the first to clap if there was still more "song" to come. People did clap though. Even I did. There's a courtesy factor involved in that though, and I also think most of the folks there (perhaps everyone except for Gary and I) were there to see performance art, not music. I got something out of last night. However, I could see early on that this performance, indeed the whole evening, was not about music. It was about "performance art" as the flyers laid on each of the tables said. As a result, I managed my expectations... changed them in fact. Looking at the evening as an experience in performance art, rather than music or looping, allowed me to get something from the experience. It was acceptable to me because I was no longer kidding myself that it was, in fact, music (using the definition given above). That is not to say that I was not disappointed. I was. Ordinarily, I would have gone up to a fellow looper like Steuart and introduced myself. Last night, I just didn't feel like doing that. I honestly felt that I had been misled about what was going to happen there, and I felt ripped off that the headline act only played for 30 minutes... and this even included an onstage discussion about whether or not to do one more "song" (which they did). Steuart, I wish you had respected us as an audience a little more to be a little better prepared than you two were, and to figure out how to make such unusual instrumentation work together more effectively. The potential seemed great, but the implementation fell flat, in my eyes. Perhaps you and Anna just don't play together that well - I think we've probably all experienced that phenomenon some time or other. I can tell from watching your hands that you can play - I just wish that you had! And I grant that it is not easy to MAKE music under all the conditions of last night. But still, even as performance art, the evening fell a little bit short, I think... heck, even Anna felt compelled at one point to tell the audience, in an arguably apologetic way, that it was the first gig that she and Steuart had done together. Had I been riding herd on your rig last night, Steuart, I would have been using loops to create rhythmic feels to give a tangible, solid foundation to the "music" that Anna was creating. In between her "musical phrases," I would have been adding things on top as well, to enhance feeling and provide a counterpoint. It would have been great if you two could have "talked together" during the performance, using your "instruments"! I liked some of those sound effects you did a lot, but my own opinion is that such effects are a means to an end, not an end in itself. I would have wanted to create enough of a solid sound canvas that both you and Anna could have painted on it at the same time... and in a complementary, musically pleasing way. I would have seen that as my responsibility, since I was the only one actually using a traditional musical instrument. Of course, these are my opinions, how I might have approached such an opportunity. Anyone else's mileage may (and likely will) vary. Beyond that, I think it would be useful if anyone posting gig ads to the list made an extra effort to manage our respective expectations. If you lead us to believe that a night of looping music is planned, then you should expect that we'll be disappointed if we don't get that. And if we don't get that, you shouldn't then be surprised if we use the same vehicle you used to promote the event, to give back to the community our impressions of the event, perhaps even using rather pointed language. In this case, the most honest thing about Steuart's gig spam to this list was that he did, in fact, correctly label it as "spam" when he sent it to the list. In fairness, I know your intentions were good, Steuart, and I am not seeking a refund. It's not that the evening didn't hold something of value for everyone who attended, it's just that it was not the musical/looping event some of us expected it would be. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 22:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02505; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:01:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: RE: repeater... Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:59:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c07f68$64fde0e0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.electrixpro.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Reisler [mailto:zoid@pobox.com] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:38 PM > To: Douglas Bonneville; Loopers-Delight > Subject: Re: repeater... > > > doug-- > so where would one find some info on this repeater. sounds interesting. > also is the group purchase thing mentioned about the repeater or something > else. i'm new to the list this week. > thanks > paul reisler > trapezoid > > At 2:24 PM -0500 1/15/01, Douglas Bonneville wrote: > >FYI: I have had a few very detailed talks with Elextrix about > the Repeater. > >In short, think of it as Acid meets Echoplex. It remains to be seen, but > >every function that we specifically checked for in detailed > questioning was > >answered "YES - it's in there". From next loop to insert, etc. It all > >appears to be there. Plus, you can build a loop and then RECORD > your improv > >over the loop and bring it like a snap into any WAV file based edting > >program at 16 bit 44.1. Add some reverb and eq if necessary and > you are set > >to rip your CD of live performances! > > > >Doug > > > >Bon Communications, Inc. > >Design for Web, Print, and Multimedia > >www.boncommunications.com > >email: info@boncommunications.com > >ph: 614.850.9492 fax: 216.274.9091 > > > Paul Reisler > Trapezoid/Ki Theatre > PO Box 38 > Washington, VA 22747 > 540.987.3164 > 540.987.3166 fax > zoid@pobox.com > www.kitheatre.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 22:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02758; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:04:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:02:22 EST Subject: Re: OT: Beat Programming To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com c, you could always resort to sampling from vinyl into ACiD-PRO, ifya ain't got a willing drummer friend..... best, dt / S-C >I am interested in making complex jazzy/tecno beats of varying tempo to >use in Cubase- I am interested in how this might get done- I have a multitude >of tools- some of which have been reccomended such as reCycle - I am on >PC- > > > >Some examples of what I am looking to are Chem Bros, Talvin Singh, etc- >but more bebop jazz than electronic techno- > > > >Any tips/ suggestions appreciated- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 22:53:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03959; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:51:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: William Lindsay Message-Id: <200101160349.UAA25178@cepheus.azstarnet.com> X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Reply-To: Cc: Subject: RE: DL4 before or after POD? To: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA03890 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, If no-one warned you yet, The DL-4 DOES NOT loop in stereo. many of the delay effects will maintain your stereo signal, but the 14 second loop sampler squashes everything to one channel and then duplicates it into two outputs. Your stereo signal will not be preserved. Though, as a stereo effect modeler, the other effects on the DL-4 work great. -William (Tucson, AZ) ----Original Message----- : :I'm new to the list, and I've tried to find the answer here and cannot. I'm :interested in buying a DL4 if I can play run my stereo guitar (Parker Fly) :through my POD *before* the DL4 (then both outputs to two PA channels). :That way, I can keep the summed mono output when looping going straight to :the PA rather than through the POD. Can I do this, or will I lose features :of the DL4 or POD by utilizing this order? Thanks for any help! :Ted Cabal : : From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 22:55:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04071; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.1026e085.27951f56@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:51:50 EST Subject: ART X-11 MIDI Pedal and LINE6 Pro Pod For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just about to place several items on eBay but thought I'd mention them here first. I used the X-11 with my Jamman. It worked out real well. I hate to sell the Pro Pod but I just bought a Roland VGA-7 modeling amp and can't justify keeping both. They're both in mint condition. The Pod is only a few months old, BTW. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 23:46:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05769; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Alexander Ryan To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:42:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: changing to digest? X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0MQTFD.A.rZB.LF9Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com so....how do I change from the Normal loopers delight.....to the loopers delight digest? too many emails to wade through....... anybody out there got the know how? peace Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 15 23:55:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06297; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.191.73.197] From: "Tim DeHuff" To: Subject: Re: changing to digest? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:52:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.00.0010.0901 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C07F4E.4A082BC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2001 04:50:51.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69A1FB0:01C07F77] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C07F4E.4A082BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please let me know too!I'm tempted to unsubscibe but I enjoy some of the = info Tim DeHuff ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Ryan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:48 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: changing to digest? so....how do I change from the Normal loopers delight.....to the loopers delight digest? too many emails to wade through....... anybody out there got the know how? peace Alex
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To:&= nbsp;loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: changing to digest?

so...= .how do I change from the Normal loopers delight.....to the loopers
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an= ybody out there got the know how?


peace

Alex



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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C07F4F.6A64AAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 00:19:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07681; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:15:45 EST Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.102e021.27953301_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Resent-Message-ID: <60dVGD.A.t3B.ek9Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fe.102e021.27953301_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/01 11:47:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > 7bit > > Greetings all, > > My, my, the list is lively today. Interesting discussion... and I was there > at the Knitting Factory last night too. Right in the front row. So, let me > share with you my take on the evening. > > I understand where Gary is coming from in his comments... I do too....I just don't agree with him...or you . > the substance of what he > wrote in both the 'original' post and the follow-up detailed description is > very accurate. although very SUBJECTIVE....but we'll get to more of that in a bit... after you try to define music by looking it up in a dictionary ......... Having been there at the performance, I would say that his > comments cogently summed up the evening, once you properly interpret the > emotionally-charged language. (And for the most part, even Steuart's own > comments are consistent with Gary's on the first two acts). > > Given Gary's expectations, I don't think he was overly harsh. > > There has been some discussion today about what is musical. The issue of > Gary's use of language aside, this is the crux of the matter, isn't it? A > person's reaction to "music" depends on what they think music is, > fundamentally... on how they DEFINE it. And, there are certainly many > different definitions of what constitutes music, aren't there? And therein > lies the rub... > > So, in trying to understand Gary's comments, we should note that his (and in > fact, my own) expectations were that "music" would be heard last night... > and that the evening was primarily intended to be a "musical" evening. > Dictionary.com defines music as "The art of arranging sounds in time so as > to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through > melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." I don't agree with this definition.....It implies limits to what i believe is a limitless form of expressi0on...only limited by one's imagination and openess.......... Well, folks, I think Gary, and I, both > expected a performance that would adhere to this definition, and with some > looping thrown in to boot. Ahh...that's where the problem is...you went in with an absolutely closed mind...expecting...assuming one thing...and recieving another......and now you must declare it not music, because it doesn't fit your....excuse me webster's....the "popular" definition of music..... For the most part, the performance last night > felt merely continuous. what? what else would it be discrete...? I don't think Webster's mentioned anything about music being non-continuous.... In all honesty, the headlining act primarily > consisted of Steuart using various objects and effects to make sound > effect-type sounds on his bass, while occasionally fingering a few notes > here and there. For her part, Anna made her own sound effects using a > variety of common objects and toys, and occasionally sang words in tongues. > I am not overstating this! Really, folks, in all honesty and trying to give > Steuart every break I possibly can, you'd have to be using an extremely > loose definition of the term "music" for that performance to qualify! I don't think "loose" is the word for it........perhaps 'open-minded'.......excuse me....I just happened to watch a John Cage film today..and this ties in with that, completely.....it's called "I have nothing to say and I am saying it" and I highly recommend it to anyone with an open-mind...... I ask, how can music advance if it is constrained to a definition in a popular dictionary.....? > > I know that today Steuart has said that he did feel some structure there. > And there was that one rhythmic thing on G and C (or A and D I forget > which), where actual notes were played (and that was the best part of the > set for me too). But a great deal of time was spent, for lack of a better > descriptive phrase, merely making noises. And Anna, bless her heart, I think > she really needed something else from you last night, Steuart, because all > she could do was make goofy sound effects herself. You were the only one who > had their hands on a true musical instrument. She was the icing on the > cake - if you weren't making music, then music would not be had. > > From the audience, the performance felt quite shy of being a musical event. > If I may offer constructive comments, I think that what was needed was more > rhythmic feel, a greater sense of structure, and much more looping. I know > that Steuart said there was looping, but it was not the kind of looping that > builds up a structure, that embellishes and enhances the notes and rhythms > that went before it. The fact is, there were few occasions when the music > felt like more than one person was playing it. > > The AABA structure Steuart mentioned earlier was not discernable in the > audience because there was so LITTLE structure to the overall performance. > There were awkward pauses after each "song" and before people began to clap. > Why? Because people weren't sure the "song" was over. No one wanted to be > the first to clap if there was still more "song" to come. People did clap > though. Even I did. There's a courtesy factor involved in that though, and I > also think most of the folks there (perhaps everyone except for Gary and I) > were there to see performance art, not music. > > I got something out of last night. However, I could see early on that this > performance, indeed the whole evening, was not about music. It was about > "performance art" as the flyers laid on each of the tables said. As a > result, I managed my expectations... changed them in fact. Looking at the > evening as an experience in performance art, rather than music or looping, > allowed me to get something from the experience. It was acceptable to me > because I was no longer kidding myself that it was, in fact, music (using > the definition given above). > Well it's good to hear that you did open up to the idea and got something out of the night.....I just don't understand why you are clinging to a dictionary definition of music.....that's weird to me.... > That is not to say that I was not disappointed. I was. Ordinarily, I would > have gone up to a fellow looper like Steuart and introduced myself. Last > night, I just didn't feel like doing that. I honestly felt that I had been > misled about what was going to happen there, huh..you said it was all over the flyers......It seems more llike you set yourself up to be mislead....to me.....it's the KNitting Factory for Christ sake..! and I felt ripped off that the > headline act only played for 30 minutes... and this even included an onstage > discussion about whether or not to do one more "song" (which they did). > Steuart, I wish you had respected us as an audience a little more to be a > little better prepared than you two were, and to figure out how to make such > unusual instrumentation work together more effectively. The potential seemed > great, but the implementation fell flat, in my eyes. Perhaps you and Anna > just don't play together that well - I think we've probably all experienced > that phenomenon some time or other. I can tell from watching your hands that > you can play - I just wish that you had! And I grant that it is not easy to > MAKE music under all the conditions of last night. But still, even as > performance art, the evening fell a little bit short, I think... heck, even > Anna felt compelled at one point to tell the audience, in an arguably > apologetic way, that it was the first gig that she and Steuart had done > together. > > Had I been riding herd on your rig last night, Steuart, I would have been > using loops to create rhythmic feels to give a tangible, solid foundation to > In between her "musical phrases," I > would have been adding things on top as well, to enhance feeling and provide > a counterpoint. I think you neeed to look up counterpoint in the dictionary as well....LOL....it's not just adding things on top as well..... It would have been great if you two could have "talked > together" during the performance, using your "instruments"! I liked some of > those sound effects you did a lot, but my own opinion is that such effects > are a means to an end, not an end in itself. I would have wanted to create > enough of a solid sound canvas that both you and Anna could have painted on > it at the same time... and in a complementary, musically pleasing way. I > would have seen that as my responsibility, since I was the only one actually > using a traditional musical instrument. Of course, these are my opinions, > how I might have approached such an opportunity. Anyone else's mileage may > (and likely will) vary. > > Beyond that, I think it would be useful if anyone posting gig ads to the > list made an extra effort to manage our respective expectations. Self-righteous..... If you lead > us to believe that a night of looping music is planned, then you should > expect that we'll be disappointed if we don't get that. And if we don't get > that, you shouldn't then be surprised if we use the same vehicle you used to > promote the event, to give back to the community our impressions of the > event, perhaps even using rather pointed language. and we, that think your crazy thoughts are unneccesary will gladly respond to you thus.......LOL! In this case, the most > honest thing about Steuart's gig spam to this list was that he did, in fact, > correctly label it as "spam" when he sent it to the list. In fairness, I > know your intentions were good, Steuart, and I am not seeking a refund. It's > not that the evening didn't hold something of value for everyone who > attended, it's just that it was not the musical/looping event some of us > expected it would be. > > Kevin > God, I wish this thread would just die........ Jamie Mash ;) --part1_fe.102e021.27953301_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/01 11:47:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes:


7bit

Greetings all,

My, my, the list is lively today. Interesting discussion... and I was there
at the Knitting Factory last night too. Right in the front row. So, let me
share with you my take on the evening.

I understand where Gary is coming from in his comments...


   I do too....I just don't agree with him...or you <period>.




the substance of what he
wrote in both the 'original' post and the follow-up detailed description is
very accurate.


 although very SUBJECTIVE....but we'll get to more of that in a bit... after
you try to define music by looking it up in a dictionary .....<chuckle,chuckle
>....


Having been there at the performance, I would say that his

comments cogently summed up the evening, once you properly interpret the
emotionally-charged language. (And for the most part, even Steuart's own
comments are consistent with Gary's on the first two acts).

Given Gary's expectations, I don't think he was overly harsh.

There has been some discussion today about what is musical. The issue of
Gary's use of language aside, this is the crux of the matter, isn't it? A
person's reaction to "music" depends on what they think music is,
fundamentally... on how they DEFINE it. And, there are certainly many
different definitions of what constitutes music, aren't there? And therein
lies the rub...

So, in trying to understand Gary's comments, we should note that his (and in
fact, my own) expectations were that "music" would be heard last night...
and that the evening was primarily intended to be a "musical" evening.
Dictionary.com defines music as "The art of arranging sounds in time so as
to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through
melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre."


I don't agree with this definition.....It implies limits to what i believe is
a limitless form of expressi0on...only limited by one's imagination  and
openess..........


Well, folks, I think Gary, and I, both

expected a performance that would adhere to this definition, and with some
looping thrown in to boot.


Ahh...that's where the problem is...you went in with an absolutely closed
mind...expecting...assuming one thing...and recieving another......and now
you must declare it not music, because it doesn't fit your....excuse me
webster's....the "popular" definition of music.....

For the most part, the performance last night

felt merely continuous.


what?  what else would it be discrete...? I don't think Webster's mentioned
anything about music being non-continuous....


In all honesty, the headlining act primarily

consisted of Steuart using various objects and effects to make sound
effect-type sounds on his bass, while occasionally fingering a few notes
here and there. For her part, Anna made her own sound effects using a
variety of common objects and toys, and occasionally sang words in tongues.
I am not overstating this! Really, folks, in all honesty and trying to give
Steuart every break I possibly can, you'd have to be using an extremely
loose definition of the term "music" for that performance to qualify!


I don't think "loose" is the word for it........perhaps
'open-minded'.......excuse me....I just happened to watch a John Cage film
today..and this ties in with that, completely.....it's called "I have nothing
to say and I am saying it" and I highly recommend it to anyone with an
open-mind...... I ask, how can music advance if it is constrained to a
definition in a popular dictionary.....?




I know that today Steuart has said that he did feel some structure there.
And there was that one rhythmic thing on G and C (or A and D I forget
which), where actual notes were played (and that was the best part of the
set for me too). But a great deal of time was spent, for lack of a better
descriptive phrase, merely making noises. And Anna, bless her heart, I think
she really needed something else from you last night, Steuart, because all
she could do was make goofy sound effects herself. You were the only one who
had their hands on a true musical instrument. She was the icing on the
cake - if you weren't making music, then music would not be had.

From the audience, the performance felt quite shy of being a musical event.
If I may offer constructive comments, I think that what was needed was more
rhythmic feel, a greater sense of structure, and much more looping. I know
that Steuart said there was looping, but it was not the kind of looping that
builds up a structure, that embellishes and enhances the notes and rhythms
that went before it. The fact is, there were few occasions when the music
felt like more than one person was playing it.

The AABA structure Steuart mentioned earlier was not discernable in the
audience because there was so LITTLE structure to the overall performance.
There were awkward pauses after each "song" and before people began to clap.
Why? Because people weren't sure the "song" was over. No one wanted to be
the first to clap if there was still more "song" to come. People did clap
though. Even I did. There's a courtesy factor involved in that though, and I
also think most of the folks there (perhaps everyone except for Gary and I)
were there to see performance art, not music.

I got something out of last night. However, I could see early on that this
performance, indeed the whole evening, was not about music. It was about
"performance art" as the flyers laid on each of the tables said. As a
result, I managed my expectations... changed them in fact. Looking at the
evening as an experience in performance art, rather than music or looping,
allowed me to get something from the experience. It was acceptable to me
because I was no longer kidding myself that it was, in fact, music (using
the definition given above).

Well it's good to hear that you did open up to the idea and got something out
of the night.....I just don't understand why you are clinging to  a
dictionary definition of music.....that's weird to me....




That is not to say that I was not disappointed. I was. Ordinarily, I would
have gone up to a fellow looper like Steuart and introduced myself. Last
night, I just didn't feel like doing that. I honestly felt that I had been
misled about what was going to happen there,


huh..you said it was all over the flyers......It seems more llike you set
yourself up to be mislead....to me.....it's the KNitting Factory for Christ
sake..!


and I felt ripped off that the

headline act only played for 30 minutes... and this even included an onstage
discussion about whether or not to do one more "song" (which they did).
Steuart, I wish you had respected us as an audience a little more to be a
little better prepared than you two were, and to figure out how to make such
unusual instrumentation work together more effectively. The potential seemed
great, but the implementation fell flat, in my eyes. Perhaps you and Anna
just don't play together that well - I think we've probably all experienced
that phenomenon some time or other. I can tell from watching your hands that
you can play - I just wish that you had! And I grant that it is not easy to
MAKE music under all the conditions of last night. But still, even as
performance art, the evening fell a little bit short, I think... heck, even
Anna felt compelled at one point to tell the audience, in an arguably
apologetic way, that it was the first gig that she and Steuart had done
together.

Had I been riding herd on your rig last night, Steuart, I would have been
using loops to create rhythmic feels to give a tangible, solid foundation to
the "music" that Anna was creating


In between her "musical phrases," I

would have been adding things on top as well, to enhance feeling and provide
a counterpoint.


I think you neeed to look up counterpoint in the dictionary as
well....LOL....it's not just adding things on top as well.....

It would have been great if you two could have "talked

together" during the performance, using your "instruments"! I liked some of
those sound effects you did a lot, but my own opinion is that such effects
are a means to an end, not an end in itself. I would have wanted to create
enough of a solid sound canvas that both you and Anna could have painted on
it at the same time... and in a complementary, musically pleasing way. I
would have seen that as my responsibility, since I was the only one actually
using a traditional musical instrument. Of course, these are my opinions,
how I might have approached such an opportunity. Anyone else's mileage may
(and likely will) vary.

Beyond that, I think it would be useful if anyone posting gig ads to the
list made an extra effort to manage our respective expectations.


Self-righteous.....

If you lead

us to believe that a night of looping music is planned, then you should
expect that we'll be disappointed if we don't get that. And if we don't get
that, you shouldn't then be surprised if we use the same vehicle you used to
promote the event, to give back to the community our impressions of the
event, perhaps even using rather pointed language.


and we, that think your crazy thoughts are unneccesary will gladly respond to
you thus.......LOL!

In this case, the most

honest thing about Steuart's gig spam to this list was that he did, in fact,
correctly label it as "spam" when he sent it to the list. In fairness, I
know your intentions were good, Steuart, and I am not seeking a refund. It's
not that the evening didn't hold something of value for everyone who
attended, it's just that it was not the musical/looping event some of us
expected it would be.

Kevin


God, I wish this thread would just die........

Jamie Mash   ;) --part1_fe.102e021.27953301_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 00:44:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08612; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:42:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c07f7e$ee23bbe0$d70c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Still Moving From San Diego (was:Disappointed in Hollywood) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:40:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9V4pEB.A.ZGC.p89Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks again for the opportunity to share and I leave you with this: I am going to move some more stuff tomorrow from SD so will be unavailable to post diatribe but when I get back I will make a point of securing a venue where I can loop guitar and etc. so anyone who wants to can come and make fun of me. After all, fair is fair. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 00:55:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09303; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:53:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:53:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <16.7785ae4.27953b93@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:52:19 EST Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.7785ae4.27953b93_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_16.7785ae4.27953b93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/15/2001 7:46:54 PM Central Standard Time, kcoyle@black-hole.com writes: > On the other hand, there might be music that _requires_ some sort of > Every musical thing has (at least) two components: What the musician brings to the table -- all their training, their culture, their sensibilities, their chops, their intent, and what the listener brings -- their taste, their experience, their wants, their receptiveness. (Thanks to Dr. Martin Mailman, wherever his soul now resides, for teaching me that music doesn't sound good, or even exist, when you write it down and stick it in a drawer.) All of those things, while not easily measured or quantifiable, are nevertheless relative. We all know that it aint just chops that make good music. Nor is it taste, or any of the other things I listed. And those things all change when you freeze time via a recording (versus a live performance, where energies can be mobile, performers can interact with the audience, etc.). There is music right now that requires education to understand. There is music that can be appreciated without understanding it. There is music that can be understood and despised. And not understood and despised. Understanding and appreciating and liking are all different things, and not necessarily related. Is the world big enough for that? Yes, but most of us only get a small piece of it anyway -- our own town, or whatever it is we call our audience. I play (partially free-)jazz in Iowa, which is like fishing in Manhattan. (I'm looking at my life a lot these days, and thinking about moving!) As a buyer for a large distributor, I used to freak some of the other buyers out with 'Trane's Live In Japan CDs. And they would freak me (and some others) out with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. And we were all people that knew and heard a lot of music. Blah blah woof woof, k --part1_16.7785ae4.27953b93_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/15/2001 7:46:54 PM Central Standard Time,
kcoyle@black-hole.com writes:


On the other hand, there might be music that _requires_ some sort of
education to understand -- isn't the world big enough for that?


Every musical thing has (at least) two components:
What the musician brings to the table -- all their training, their culture,
their sensibilities, their chops, their intent,
and what the listener brings -- their taste, their experience, their wants,
their receptiveness.

(Thanks to Dr. Martin Mailman, wherever his soul now resides, for teaching me
that music doesn't sound good, or even exist, when you write it down and
stick it in a drawer.)

All of those things, while not easily measured or quantifiable, are
nevertheless relative.  We all know that it aint just chops that make good
music.  Nor is it taste, or any of the other things I listed.  

And those things all change when you freeze time via a recording (versus a
live performance, where energies can be mobile, performers can interact with
the audience, etc.).  

There is music right now that requires education to understand.  
There is music that can be appreciated without understanding it.
There is music that can be understood and despised.  And not understood and
despised.
Understanding and appreciating and liking are all different things, and not
necessarily related.
Is the world big enough for that?  Yes, but most of us only get a small piece
of it anyway -- our own town, or whatever it is we call our audience.  I play
(partially free-)jazz in Iowa, which is like fishing in Manhattan.  (I'm
looking at my life a lot these days, and thinking about moving!)

As a buyer for a large distributor, I used to freak some of the other buyers
out with 'Trane's Live In Japan CDs.  And they would freak me (and some
others) out with the Red Hot Chili Peppers.  And we were all people that knew
and heard a lot of music.  

Blah blah woof woof,

k



--part1_16.7785ae4.27953b93_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 01:43:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10950; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A63EDB8.26C57EC2@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:44:09 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: Need DL4 Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8yUDBC.A.5qC.E0-Y6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any DL4 owners had a problem with the bypass feature of the unit? The trick where you can put it into bypass so the delay decays naturally when you switch the effect off sounds great when it works but I've had some problems when I put the pedal in this mode. The problem is basically that after I'm done playing, the next time I plug in, none of the delays work at all. I have to reboot the unit twice to get the bypass (and delays back). I had thought that this was the result of the initial firmware of the pedal and that the problem would be fixed with the upgrade, but after having just sent my pedal in for repairs (including an update), I still have the same problem. Anyone else notice this problem and was I wrong in believing the firmware had ANYTHING to do with the problem? Its not life threatening or anything, but it is an annoyance and one I'd like fixed if there is an easy fix. If any of you DL4 users know anything about this problem. please drop me a line (before I contact Line 6). Thanks Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 02:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12265; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:44:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Headrush vs. DL4 From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011101c07ca1$03f8a6a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am actually beginning to miss my Headrush. I pretty much only use the DL4 for loops; what I want is an old-style tapeloop and I would like to determine the feedback level with a knob, which the DL4 totally ignores in loop mode. The Headrush is better for this, though halfspeed and reverse on the DL4 give it the edge for me (woops, did I say "old-style tapeloop"?). As far as sound quality, my Headrush was easily as good as the DL4 (no hiss that others have complained of), and I had hoped that the promise of "true stereo" would hold for the DL4 loops as well as the modelled "oldies", but was disappointed there also. So put me down as a sorry ex-Headrusher. If Akai (inevitably) drops the unit, I'll be very happy to pick up a new one for $89. Somebody let me know when it happens, please! David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com > Does ANYBODY prefer the Headrush over the DL4? The verdict seems pretty > loopsided so far... > > Just curious. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 03:55:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13656; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:52:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: changing to digest? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:42 PM -0800 1/15/01, Alexander Ryan wrote: >so....how do I change from the Normal loopers delight.....to the loopers >delight digest? > >too many emails to wade through....... > > >anybody out there got the know how? > all such instructions were sent to you when you subscribed, and they are also located on the website: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 05:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15946; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:07:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c07fa3$f609ad40$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:06:10 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a lengthy one, because of lyric content. Okay, I thought I'd respond a final time before people just start deleting this thread as it appears. Good Lord, whatta volume of messages! This hasn't happened in what, two years? Here goes.. I went to a benefit for The Kitchen (in NYC) waaay back in '81-82, a two-night event at a former Bond's store-turned-club. Billed as being there were David Byrne, Brian Eno, and a long list of avant-garde (do they still use this term?) luminaries and anti-luminaries. Well, Byrne wasn't there the night we went - they after all didn't say WHO was going to play on WHAT NIGHT - but Eno had a six-screen "vertical format" installation done after "On Land" which I thought was brilliant, and there were a ton of music people there. Hell, even Mick Jagger was able to cruise through the crowd unmolested. Well, about 12.30 a band came on that was sort of an anti-band if you will. It was DNA. I recall that I thought it was just f%%king awful, no, BEYOND that. I was appalled at the abuse that the 'guitarist' (quotes in context) hailed upon his guitar, just BANGING on it frankly. A wall of noise. Kind of like anti-music. It went on for oh, seemed like hours, but must've been just 30 minutes. I was so relieved and irritated when they were finished. I thought of it as a typical example of pretentious New York City pseudo-art. I wished I wrote a column so I could crap all over these guys. But you know what? Most of all, I wanted to go home and PLAY MUSIC. While I immediately succumbed to the common urge to just focus on the stuff I DIDN'T like, I DID get something out of it, whether I wanted to or not. When I got home, much to my parents' dismay, I plugged in and composed several pieces, now lost to the whims of tape degradation. But I never forgot that evening. Oh, and this bit from Ray Davies' "Look A Little On The Sunny Side": Look a little on the sunny side Even when they say you're on the slide, And for a while they'll say your records never make it, But in a while they're gonna be showering you with praises. They'll give you mediocre reviews And put you in the underground for a while, But look a little on the funny, sunny side of life, Look a little on the sunny side. You sing 'em the blues And then they ask for a happy tune, And when you start to smile they'll say gimme dat rhythm and blues, And when you give 'em dat rhythm and blues they'll simply smile and say We didn't want to hear you play, We didn't like you any way. It's very hard to please the people every single time, But look a little on the sunny side. Look a little on the sunny side Even when you feel you want to hide, You gotta laugh, don't let your critics ever upset you, 'Cos for a while the cynics will all be out to get you. You gotta be shrewd, you gotta be strong You've gotta convince yourself that you are not wrong, Whistle a tune and think of a catchy, happy, little song And look a little on the sunny side. It's very hard to please the people every single time, But look a little on the sunny side. They're gonna put you down for a while You've got to learn to grit your teeth and smile And look a little on the funny, sunny side of life, Look a little on the sunny side. ****************** Peace folks. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 10:11:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22573; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:09:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <059801c07fcc$d20c95f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <003601c07f7e$ee23bbe0$d70c78d8@com> Subject: MIDI footpedal Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just saw the webinfo for the Proel MS32 Programmable MIDI Sender. It says "You can program every single MIDI command..." so presumably it can send NoteOn/NoteOff. Sounds like it might play well with the EDP. Anybody familiar with this puppy? http://www.proelgroup.com/Catalogue/Master_Catalogue/master_catalogue.jhtml? action=product&prodid=MS32 (Doesn't it feel GREAT to talk about gear again???? :) ) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 10:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22924; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:19:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:19:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:02:01 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance with Immersion Music Salon, Cambridge MA, 1.20.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be performing on Saturday with my favorite mixed-media improv band. IMMERSION MUSIC SALON Curtis Bahn, sensor bass Marc Bisson, prepared guitar Emile Tobenfeld (drT), video mix Walter Wright, video shredder with special guests: Neil Leonard, sax & maybe computer Eric Zinman, piano Saturday, January 20th, 8pm, $5 @ Zeitgeist Gallery, corner of Broadway and Norfolk in Central Square, Cambridge, 617-876-2182 -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 10:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23450; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:34:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:34:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MIDI footpedal Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:29:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Build your own? http://www.geocities.com/tbrandl.rm/e.htm This message is for the use of the named person only. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 11:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24814; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:06:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:06:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:55:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1232461967==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1232461967==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >God, I wish this thread would just die........ > >Jamie Mash ;) Nice thoughts, Jamie. However, fires don't neccessarily die when ya throw more fuel on 'em! :) best, rich --============_-1232461967==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Disappointed in Hollywood
God, I wish this thread would just die........
Jamie Mash   ;)

Nice thoughts, Jamie.  However, fires don't neccessarily die when ya throw more fuel on 'em!  :)

best,

rich
--============_-1232461967==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 11:09:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24796; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6470BD.A4BF0DE5@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:03:09 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: microtonal mp3.com spam #2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks, I have some new pieces up at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley An excerpt of Sonic Bloom from a live recording made at the Knitting Factory, NYC and Yellow Star, a piece created special for MP3.com. Stop by, give it a listen. There's some older stuff at http://mp3.com/xouoxno you can check out too. db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 11:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25514; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:13:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: Subject: Echoplex vs. Electrix Repeater Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:55:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C07F9A.0F62D3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2001 16:10:50.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[E49B0F30:01C07FD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C07F9A.0F62D3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First, I apologize if this will start a repetitive thread, but I am new = to the digest and could really use some help. =20 I am a closet guitarist in the hunt for a looping device. My roommate = has a jamman, and the rat has decided to move, leaving me with an = unquenchable thirst for the Lexicon treasure. After repeated attempts = to score the prize on I-bay, I have thrown up my arms in disgust. I = passed on several offers months ago as I thought the prices were = outrageous. Boy, did I miss the boat again! The prices are out of = control. =20 This has forced me to really look at the market in search of a product = with the simplicity and ease of the Jamman. I am vaguely familiar with = the Echoplex, as I have been on the Loopers Delight site a lot in the = past few years. I have heard that it has incredible options, but can be = difficult to navigate around its features. Can it be stripped down and = used as simply as the Jamman? I would love to have the Jamman with the = undo and multiply feature. Can you set the preferences to operate with = just these functions? I read the FAQ list and it looks amazing, but I = am a little intimidated. =20 Has anyone sneaked a peak at the Electrix Repeater? It looks like it = has some incredible features. But again, will it operate in "simpleton = mode." =20 Unfortunately, I live in the boonies at 9,000 ft, and the nearest shop = is a great place to buy sheet music and lease a french horn, but will = never put either device on the sales floor. I appreciate your efforts = to make this info readily available and would love your insight. Thanks = everyone! =20 Gregg ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C07F9A.0F62D3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First, I apologize if this will start a = repetitive=20 thread, but I am new to the digest and could really use some help.  =
 
I am a closet guitarist in the hunt for = a looping=20 device.  My roommate has a jamman, and the rat has decided to move, = leaving=20 me with an unquenchable thirst for the Lexicon treasure.  After = repeated=20 attempts to score the prize on I-bay, I have thrown up my arms in = disgust. =20 I passed on several offers months ago as I thought the prices were=20 outrageous.  Boy, did I miss the boat again!  The prices are = out of=20 control. 
 
This has forced me to really look at = the market in=20 search of a product with the simplicity and ease of the Jamman.  I = am=20 vaguely familiar with the Echoplex, as I have been on the Loopers = Delight site a=20 lot in the past few years.  I have heard that it has incredible = options,=20 but can be difficult to navigate around its features.  Can it be = stripped=20 down and used as simply as the Jamman?  I would love to have the = Jamman=20 with the undo and multiply feature.  Can you set the preferences to = operate=20 with just these functions?  I read the FAQ list and it looks = amazing, but I=20 am a little intimidated. 
 
Has anyone sneaked a peak at the = Electrix=20 Repeater?  It looks like it has some incredible features.  But = again,=20 will it operate in "simpleton mode." 
 
Unfortunately, I live in the boonies at = 9,000 ft,=20 and the nearest shop is a great place to buy sheet music and lease a = french=20 horn, but will never put either device on the sales floor.  I = appreciate=20 your efforts to make this info readily available and would love your=20 insight.  Thanks everyone! 
 
Gregg
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C07F9A.0F62D3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 12:09:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27320; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:02:29 +0000 Subject: Muslimgauze From: "Martin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all being new to this list, could anyone tell me if the late artist Muslimgauze has been discussed, as he was a significant old-style loop artist... Apollon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 12:24:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27963; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:19:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: Muslimgauze Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello all > >being new to this list, could anyone tell me if the late artist Muslimgauze >has been discussed, as he was a significant old-style loop artist... > >Apollon no he has not been discussed but "THE UNITED STATES OF ISLAM "may be a good place to start. Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 16:48:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02913; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:45:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:45:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <009f01c07fa3$f609ad40$0601a8c0@stephen> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen... enjoyed your comments, especially Ray Davies' "Look A Little On The Sunny Side". Those are good words for all of us to live by. Thanks for sharing, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 16:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03290; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:52:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:52:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A64C25B.F2F18005@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:51:24 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex sighting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5OIQrB.A.Fz.zJMZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I saw a Gibson Echoplex with foot controller at the Haight St. Music Center in SF, CA. I think they wanted $1199 for it, plus the cost for the foot controller. I'm waiting for the Repeater, myself, but I thought I'd pass the info on to the list. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 17:01:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04098; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: microtonal mp3.com spam #2 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:02:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A6470BD.A4BF0DE5@virtulink.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6Q3_SD.A.m_.tQMZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very nice, david. enjoyed much. can you point me to any online resources for microtonal music? not sure how to configure it or implement it myself... thanks, kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: David Beardsley [mailto:xouoxno@virtulink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:03 AM > To: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8... > Subject: microtonal mp3.com spam #2 > > > Hey folks, > > I have some new pieces up at http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > An excerpt of Sonic Bloom from a live recording made at the > Knitting Factory, NYC and Yellow Star, a piece created > special for MP3.com. Stop by, give it a listen. > > There's some older stuff at http://mp3.com/xouoxno you can check out > too. > > db > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 17:41:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05268; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:40:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:40:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A64CBA4.C1DB9B1B@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:31:01 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , DH Subject: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a line on a used Roland VG8 guitar system (Floor unit, GK2a pick, cable, etc). I'm only passingly familiar with this unit so I'd like to get actual users feelings on how well it tracks, how flexible the sounds are, how it compares to the other GR1/9/30 series, etc. Basically any info from someone who has used one for a while. Does it have built in effects? To be on topic, can it Loop? :) Finally what's a fair price for such a unit these days? I know they were pretty darn expensive new if I recall correctly. Email privately if you feel it's more appropriate. Thanks for any/all help From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 17:52:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05818; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:50:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: RE: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:49:57 -0500 Message-ID: <008501c0800e$a610a4e0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3A64CBA4.C1DB9B1B@voicenet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I owned the vg-8 ex and am getting a vg-88 ex before too long (the baby brother). It doesn't loop, but there is no other more power system around. It doesn't track - it's realtime processing. Effects galore. Sounds galore. Crazy sounds galore. Amps and guitars and pickups. Basically, this is everything you can think about in one box. Go to vg-8.com and read more (old site) or get on vg-8 users group at egroups.com Al Dimeola uses one all over the place on infinite desire. All the guitars, just about, are vg-8 guitars. You name, it does it, pretty much. Very very powerful. As far as looping, you can lay down a bass, jump over to slide guitar for a lick, grab a nice crunchy lead, then grab a freeaky string orchestra and play the jaws theme with more bass in it than Stanely Jordan through a wall of Marshall 4x12s. The clean and acoustic sounds are great - mind you electro acoustic. Doug Bonneville > -----Original Message----- > From: Legion [mailto:Legion@voicenet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; DH > Subject: Roland VG8 Guitar system? > > > I've got a line on a used Roland VG8 guitar system (Floor unit, GK2a > pick, cable, etc). I'm only passingly familiar with this unit so I'd > like to get actual users feelings on how well it tracks, how flexible > the sounds are, how it compares to the other GR1/9/30 series, etc. > Basically any info from someone who has used one for a while. > > Does it have built in effects? To be on topic, can it Loop? :) > > Finally what's a fair price for such a unit these days? I know they were > pretty darn expensive new if I recall correctly. > > Email privately if you feel it's more appropriate. > > Thanks for any/all help > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 17:52:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05866; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:51:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:51:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:50:47 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: analog delays Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3FfCFC.A.LbB.HBNZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog delay, none of which I am familiar with in a good way. The models are as follows: Yamaha e1010 Yamaha e1005 Ibanez AD202 Ibanez UE405 Any quick opinions? As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07102; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:02:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:02:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c08010$47cb1ee0$9883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <3A64CBA4.C1DB9B1B@voicenet.com> Subject: R: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:01:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2BMdiC.A.EuB.kLNZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try on www.vg-8.com there is also a user group. Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Legion To: ; DH Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Roland VG8 Guitar system? > I've got a line on a used Roland VG8 guitar system (Floor unit, GK2a > pick, cable, etc). I'm only passingly familiar with this unit so I'd > like to get actual users feelings on how well it tracks, how flexible > the sounds are, how it compares to the other GR1/9/30 series, etc. > Basically any info from someone who has used one for a while. > > Does it have built in effects? To be on topic, can it Loop? :) > > Finally what's a fair price for such a unit these days? I know they were > pretty darn expensive new if I recall correctly. > > Email privately if you feel it's more appropriate. > > Thanks for any/all help > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:12:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07520; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:09:31 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: battery powered p.a.review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA07456 Resent-Message-ID: <4xSb9.A.v0B.YTNZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi gang, here is another battery powered idea that be might be kinda cool for buskin out a loop... never used it but... here is a review on it http://www.carvin.com/reviews/S400D.html published specifications state frequency response, microphone or line inputs of 20Hz - 20kHz ±2 dB. Total Harmonic Distortion is less than 1%; output power is 60 W rms into 8 ohms; 100 W rms into 4 ohms. Channel 1: three-band active EQ; low: 80Hz ±15 dB; mid: 750 Hz ±15 dB; high: 10 kHz ± 15 dB. Channels 2 through 4: At a Glance Applications: Light public address duty Key Features: 4-channel mixer; built-in signal processor (D model); AC, battery or 12 V operation Price: S4000; $399.95; S40OD; $489.90 Contact: Carvin at 800-854-2235; www.carvin.com; or circle Reader Service 129. two-band active EQ; low: 80Hz :1: 15 dB; high: lOkHz ±l5dB. Cabinet frequency response is stated as 85Hz to 16.5kHz. -cheers, t.s. Ps- Stig rips! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:22:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08050; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A64D77F.A44E00D7@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:21:35 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI footpedal References: <200101162252.RAA05997@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about the pedals (the teaser *does* sound intriguing), but do you want to trust folks who can't even spell "catalog" ? Elby > > Subject: MIDI footpedal > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:58:42 -0500 > From: "Dennis Leas" > To: > > I just saw the webinfo for the Proel MS32 Programmable MIDI Sender. > It says > "You can program every single MIDI command..." so presumably it can > send > NoteOn/NoteOff. Sounds like it might play well with the EDP. Anybody > familiar with this puppy? > > http://www.proelgroup.com/Catalogue/Master_Catalogue/master_catalogue.jhtml > ? > action=product&prodid=MS32 > > (Doesn't it feel GREAT to talk about gear again???? :) ) > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08183; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:24:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:24:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Conley" Subject: Re: analog delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Scholz Rockman Stereo Echo - All analog. Stereo and sounds great. Very tape echoplexy. I highly recommend it, they tend to get expensive on ebay. They are about $250 used. Sometimes you can pick em up for a steal at $100 from someone who does not know their value. It is a half rack. It is also not to be confused with the stereo chorus/delay. It is the Stereo Echo up to 500ms of analog delay. It is also very quiet. > Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog > delay, none of which I > am familiar with in a good way. The models are as > follows: > > Yamaha e1010 > Yamaha e1005 > Ibanez AD202 > Ibanez UE405 > > Any quick opinions? > > > As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) > grandfather always > says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which > translates loosely > into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." > Chris Conley conleycd@mcmaster.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:32:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08761; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:30:41 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: analog delays In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Chris Conley wrote: > > Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog > > delay, none of which Iam familiar with in a good way. I wa a little vauge here, but what I am referring to by familiarity is the actual sound of the units. And yes, "tapey" soudn is good sound! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:42:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09291; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A64DC21.6A335EF7@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:41:22 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI footpedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-cQnRD.A.aQC.hvNZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The manual is online: http://www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/manuals.html A *very* quick scan (no guarantee my summary is correct ) - 10 banks, 10 patches per bank, several patch changes/control changes per patch, 2 CV pedals, no sysex. Don't think I'll leap. Elby I just saw the webinfo for the Proel MS32 Programmable MIDI Sender. It says "You can program every single MIDI command..." so presumably it can send NoteOn/NoteOff. Sounds like it might play well with the EDP. Anybody familiar with this puppy? http://www.proelgroup.com/Catalogue/Master_Catalogue/master_catalogue.jhtml? action=product&prodid=MS32 (Doesn't it feel GREAT to talk about gear again???? :) ) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 18:43:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09331; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:42:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:33:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: analog delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not exactly cheap, and i know they were a limited edition, but the Moog Big Briar delay is very sweet... rich >On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Chris Conley wrote: > >> > Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog >> > delay, none of which Iam familiar with in a good way. >I wa a little vauge here, but what I am referring to by familiarity is the >actual sound of the units. And yes, "tapey" soudn is good sound! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 19:01:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10518; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116155642.01f64930@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:58:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: analog delays In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (03:33 PM 01/16/01) wrote: >>On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Chris Conley wrote: >> >>> > Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog >>> > delay, none of which Iam familiar with in a good way. >>I wa a little vauge here, but what I am referring to by familiarity is the >>actual sound of the units. And yes, "tapey" soudn is good sound! > >Not exactly cheap, and i know they were a limited edition, but the Moog >Big Briar delay is very sweet... I second that... It's a gorgeous delay line. I have some overview babble and an extended MP3 here: http://www.midiwall.com/synths/mf-104.html Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 19:25:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11277; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:23:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:23:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c0801b$733e29e0$1f0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: battery powered p.a.review Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:21:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7u8laC.A.AwC.EXOZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is what I'm using. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sanz" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: battery powered p.a.review > hi gang, > here is another battery powered idea that be might be kinda cool for buskin out a loop... > never used it but... here is a review on it > > http://www.carvin.com/reviews/S400D.html > > published specifications state frequency response, microphone or line inputs of 20Hz - 20kHz ±2 dB. Total Harmonic Distortion is less than 1%; output power is 60 W rms into 8 ohms; 100 W rms into 4 ohms. Channel 1: three-band active EQ; low: 80Hz ±15 dB; mid: 750 Hz ±15 dB; high: 10 kHz ± 15 dB. Channels 2 through 4: At a Glance Applications: Light public address duty Key Features: 4-channel mixer; built-in signal processor (D model); AC, battery or 12 V operation Price: S4000; $399.95; S40OD; $489.90 Contact: Carvin at 800-854-2235; www.carvin.com; or circle Reader Service 129. two-band active EQ; low: 80Hz :1: 15 dB; high: lOkHz ±l5dB. Cabinet frequency response is stated as 85Hz to 16.5kHz. > > -cheers, > t.s. > > Ps- Stig rips! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 19:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11712; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:28:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:27:42 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: analog delays Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7KkdIB.A.f2C.9bOZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So is Mark Pulver on every mailing list known to man and electronic musician alike? lol - anyhow - So what I am hearing then is that the Moog is THE analog delay to get. How about a close second that is to be had under $400? As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 19:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12103; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:34:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:34:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116162835.01c840c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:32:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: analog delays In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heyoka_face_eater (04:27 PM 01/16/01) wrote: >So is Mark Pulver on every mailing list known to man and electronic >musician alike? Yes. :) >lol - anyhow - So what I am hearing then is that the Moog >is THE analog delay to get. How about a close second that is to be had >under $400? The Blacet Time Machine: http://www.blacet.com/ $309 assembled, $229 kit, but you need to add a case and power supply. The price of a good analog delay is high 'cause of the price of the BBD's (bucket brigade delay) these days. I helped find the chip stash that Bob bought to use in the MF-104, so I know what he paid for them. They're pricey. :) John (Blacet) is using a similar part, but it offers less delay time. Also, most (quality) analog delays will have a compressor of some sort in them, that helps get the characteristic sound. But it also adds to the cost. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 20:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13341; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:00:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A64EF5B.AC823985@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:03:23 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microtonal mp3.com spam #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > very nice, david. enjoyed much. Thanks! > can you point me to any online resources for > microtonal music? not sure how to configure it or implement it myself... There's a tuning list at tuning@egroups.com Some links: http://www-math.cudenver.edu:80/~jstarret/microtone.html http://www.dnai.com/~jinetwk/ http://corporeal.com/ http://microtones.com http://lamonteyoung.com My on-line streaming audio program, 49/32 Radio "All Microtonal. All The Time." http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 20:03:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13337; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:00:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:00:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c08022$ca616dc0$db9c4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Critiquing the critics (was: Re: Responding to "gig spam") Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:14:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre wrote: >So, for instance, if someone doesn't understand North Indian Classical >music, they might think that the sitar player is running up and down a >bunch of scales while the tabla player does some random patterns. They >can certainly express these opinions if they like. But someone who >knows what ragas and teehai's (sp?) are will have a different take on >it. I'll accept that spelling, Andre :-) Another would be "tihai." For those unfamiliar with the term, it's Hindi for "thrice" and refers to a rhythmic cadential device in Indian music. A phrase and a small 'gap' of silence is repeated three times so that the final beat of the phrase coincides with the first beat (the "one") of the rhythmic cycle (or sometimes at other important points in the cycle). Tihais can become very mathematically complex, often starting a cycle or so ahead of their final endpoint. Tihais are sometimes precomposed, but should ideally be improvised. It takes quite a bit of concentration to execute them correctly. I just returned from a couple months of musical study with my teacher in North India. Unfortunately my "teehais" evoked more "tee-hees" than they did nods of deep appreciation ;-) On-topic content: I played some recordings for my teacher and his son and nephews (all musicians) of loops I'd done using traditional raga motives played on Indian instruments in conjunction with the EDP, e-bow, etc. My teacher found them a bit too repetitive, though he did like the "reverse" function. His son and nephews were more excited by the possibilities of looping, as well as the ability to overdub several instruments at once. But I don't think any of them are convinced enough to try to snare an EDP or Repeater. :-) My 2 paisa, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 20:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13910; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:06:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:06:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:05:21 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: FW: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA13854 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** miko thought that i was being generous yesterday, i guess i'm gonna feel a little surly (and long-winded) today . . . Yeah... I'm a bit more discouraged and embarrased by the fundamentalist vibe I've been hearing since then. Be careful how you experiment folks... YOU COULD BE NEXT! > So, in trying to understand Gary's comments, we should note that his (and in fact, my own) expectations were that "music" would be heard last night... and that the evening was primarily intended to be a "musical" evening. Hi Kevin... Go buy a record you've already owned if you want something predictable. Adventure starts when your tent is ripped up by a bear and it's raining and birds are shitting head, and you just have to laugh... I wish you (Gary, Kevin) would provide some contrast to measure your comments against. Like maybe comparing Stig and Anna's seeming lack of musicality to another more-successful-in-your-opinion concert and artist. Then we might see the perspective with which you view an event or piece of music. Kevin wrote... >> And Anna, bless her heart, I think she really needed something else from you last night, Steuart, because all she could do was make goofy sound effects herself. ** ya know, anna has played with some master musicians in america and europe: peter kowald, david moss, etc. at this point, i may difer to their opinions of her instrument and artistic sesibility/value over yours. I'm sorry... I'm pretty sure Kevin and Gary would probably find Peter Kowald, Sonny Sharrock, Derek Bailey and dozens other musical adventurers unlistenable. But that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Kevin... >> You were the only one who had their hands on a true musical instrument. She was the icing on the cake - if you weren't making music, then music would not be had. ** careful, your condescion is showing. plus, anna likes what i do with her. This is priceless... Yeah, poor Anna. The thought that her voice IS an instrument? What a stretch! *-) She's all helpless and you didn't PROTECT her Stig! Where the hell is chivalry when we need it most?! Kevin... >> However, I could see early on that this performance, indeed the whole evening, was not about music. ** for you. Well... for many it's about checking out babes and umm... killing an evening... sort of a facsimile for a tv set. But you can't change the f***ing channel. I rarely see non-musicians running around with bitchin' bass guitars though... If you had only used your flanger from hell Stig... then they would have been impressed! 8-) Kevin... >> Steuart, I wish you had respected us as an audience a little more to be a little better prepared than you two were, and to figure out how to make such unusual instrumentation work together more effectively. It's improv Kevin! I'd respect an improv artist LESS if I knew they had canned their ideas so they could repeat them. Adventure starts when you leave the trail. Many very high-level players make it a point to NOT plan anything and walk out to perform "instant" compositions cold. It's IMPROV with capital letters... not canning a chord progression and then soloing over it (like I sometimes do). You're out there with no net. Try it a few times with an audience... and be sure to do it SOLO so you only have yourself to blame, and see if you don't learn a little humility and empathy for others skills at this type of commitment. ** anna was feeling the burn of being the "entrepaneur" for the evening. if you've ever put on your own gigs, you know what this is like; if you haven't well, you'll just have to wait for that wonderful feeling of anxiety. i feel like you're looking for ammo here . . . Yep... It's exteremly hard to be a patron / booker / stage manager and still have anything left for creative performance. Like I said... commitment to the community of improv is hard work. Kevin... >> Had I been riding herd on your rig last night, Steuart, I would have been using loops to create rhythmic feels to give a tangible, solid foundation to the "music" that Anna was creating. In between her "musical phrases," I would have been adding things on top as well, to enhance feeling and provide a counterpoint. It would have been great if you two could have "talked together" during the performance, using your "instruments"! I liked some of those sound effects you did a lot, but my own opinion is that such effects are a means to an end, not an end in itself. I would have wanted to create enough of a solid sound canvas that both you and Anna could have painted on it at the same time... and in a complementary, musically pleasing way. I would have seen that as my responsibility, since I was the only one actually using a traditional musical instrument. This is pure condescension... ** i'll mention this to her, maybe she'll be interested. She's gonna leave and join an Abba reunion band in her misery after THAT gig! No more Knitting Factory for you Anna! (Soup Nazi mode ON). Oh JOY to be on the Holiday Inn circuit! Kevin! I can't wait to hear you play!... I'm sure I'll be lifted to a higher plane and be grateful to you for the inspiration you provide not only me... but every other adoring person in the room. I've been humbled many times in my life onstage and off... by many masterful players... and have yet to hear any of them espouse such close-minded dogma. Kevin... you're playing the uber-sensitive here and it stinks... In person, you're probably polite to a fault, so as to not EVER offend anyone. But on the internet?! Why NOT?! Have at 'em! The audacity to play so-called music without NOTES?! MELODY?! NO WORDS?! HERESY!!!!! Texture? DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT! Kevin.. >> And if we don't get that, you shouldn't then be surprised if we use the same vehicle you used to promote the event, to give back to the community our impressions of the event, perhaps even using rather pointed language. Well as long as it's in the dictionary Kev... Oh yeah... we're going to ram right through the damn wall with that vehicle until we all understand what REAL music is. ** i don't have a problem with that. i don't think that all of you reasoning has been valid, but it' an interesting dialog. hope you don't mind the pointed rebutal. You're far too kind Steuart... >> In this case, the most honest thing about Steuart's gig spam to this list was that he did, in fact, correctly label it as "spam" when he sent it to the list. Bile, gagging... (Please be sure to let us know where and when you're gigging Kev!) ** i'm truly sorry that you didn't like the performance; unfortunatly for you, you and gary both decided to come to [probably] the most "out" gig that i've done in the last three months. but . . . . excuse me. how many times do you do anything that "holds value for everyone who attended"? this is just ridiculous to assume that it would. If you feel that you deserve to like everything that you hear or see, go back to what you know. I can accept comments like... "I didn't like it." or... "I hated it." "It's not my style." "I like more definition." "It's difficult listening." "Do you have problems with threats?" "Do dogs howl?" "I'm gonna tell my mom!" "You suck!" Whatever... But when someone presumes to objectively KNOW for all of us what the TRUE definition of (anything) is, I become distrustful and downright wary. History has shown that when a major, powerful, influential, charismatic figure appears and makes these kind of claims, many horrible events and injustices follow. Not to grant that you're major, powerful, influential, or charismatic. May the muse be with you... -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 21:17:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15858; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:14:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:14:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:15:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A64CBA4.C1DB9B1B@voicenet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say I am a devoted VG-8 user and own both the VG-8 and VG-88 (not at all a little brother, more a fitter but less well-educated cousin : ) The VG-8 doesn't "track" like a guitar synth, it isn't a synth like the GR series, it performs real time DSP (actually FFT-Fast Fourier Transform) and responds to any incoming audio even on a synth type sound. Since there is no pitch to midi conversion, It responds just like a regular guitar to harmonics, pick scrapes, shouting into the pickup etc... The sounds are very flexible, it models a range of pickups and amp types and does a passable piezo acoustic too. It is a hex processor so you can have open tunings and hex fuzz, plugging an EV-5 into it will give you foot controlled over some parameters. It has built in Reverb, chorus/flanger and delay, eq plus a six way pitch shifter (with each string under pedal control moving to different pitches!) etc. It absolutely does loop! The fx are my favourite part, the flanger and chorus have huge range in the controls so you can set them up as resonators, the delay has infinite feedback and does about 1 sec. I have got some beautiful ambient textures from this unit that sound nothing like guitar. Price wise I can't really comment on US prices (I'm in the UK) but the VG-88 is selling for c.$900-1000 so the VG-8 should be a good deal less, just before the VG-88 came out some stores were selling the VG-8 for $500. As a looping tool the VG-8 is a monster, combined with a longer outboard delay you have a massive palette of sounds to play with and some pretty good vintage style sounds too. Martin Shellard > From: Legion > > I've got a line on a used Roland VG8 guitar system (Floor unit, GK2a > pick, cable, etc). I'm only passingly familiar with this unit so I'd > like to get actual users feelings on how well it tracks, how flexible > the sounds are, how it compares to the other GR1/9/30 series, etc. > Basically any info from someone who has used one for a while. > > Does it have built in effects? To be on topic, can it Loop? :) > > Finally what's a fair price for such a unit these days? I know they were > pretty darn expensive new if I recall correctly. > > Email privately if you feel it's more appropriate. > > Thanks for any/all help > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 22:37:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17950; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c08036$4c17ee80$fd18500c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: Subject: New loop-based cd Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:33:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Guys.... I've put together a collection of ambient loop-based soundscapes on a cd at MP3.com. The cd, "BlueSmokeDrift", was created using Sounder, a midi-looper and is starting to get airplay. Also on my page are a bunch of other sparce, calm soundscapes created with various midi/audio loopers ( Mboom, Sounder, Freestyle and Acid. Freestyle is like a midi-EDP ). Stop over for a listen.... Will http://www.mp3.com/willgreen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 22:55:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18492; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c08038$78717800$1029059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116162835.01c840c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Subject: Re: analog delays Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:49:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7V-IBB.A.igE.JcRZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know how many delays that Mark have?!?!? :) Big Briar's Delay, TC D-2, Blacet time machine, I think he had also a Deltalab's Echotron or Effectron.. so many of them!!! :) About the Yamaha stuff, I tried one of them (I don't remember exactly the one.. It was one of the two you mentioned).. Instead, I bought an old Ibanez HD-1000 because it has a Pitch Shifter and Chorus ability (I sold my old multi-effect processor).. I regret that move... The Yamaha was great, very tap"ish" in sound... and the HD-1000 is giving me trouble when I go in the high pitched notes on the guitar.. I know that it isn't the first time that I say that, but the Echotron of Deltalab will always be one of my choice of predilection... It sounds quite a lot like a pure analog device if you use the soft feedback option (with a lowpass filter)... And it is quite cheap now on the market... And it gives you looping ability... But it's only a thought... :) It was just one of those rare moments when Digital sounds as good as analog... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pulver" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: analog delays > > Heyoka_face_eater (04:27 PM 01/16/01) wrote: > > >So is Mark Pulver on every mailing list known to man and electronic > >musician alike? > > Yes. > > :) > > > >lol - anyhow - So what I am hearing then is that the Moog > >is THE analog delay to get. How about a close second that is to be had > >under $400? > > The Blacet Time Machine: > > http://www.blacet.com/ > > $309 assembled, $229 kit, but you need to add a case and power > supply. > > > The price of a good analog delay is high 'cause of the price of the BBD's > (bucket brigade delay) these days. > > I helped find the chip stash that Bob bought to use in the MF-104, so I > know what he paid for them. They're pricey. :) > > John (Blacet) is using a similar part, but it offers less delay time. > > > Also, most (quality) analog delays will have a compressor of some sort in > them, that helps get the characteristic sound. But it also adds to the cost. > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 23:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19766; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:09:27 -0800 Subject: Gig spam: Seattle-->Electrochakra @ Hurricane Cafe, Wed. 1/17/01 7PM From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6swchC.A.J0E.WsRZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rare opportunity to see Electrochakra as a power trio, this Wednesday at the Hurricane Cafe ("...a noisy smoke-filled bar full of junkies on the make..."). Loops aplenty. Plus, free nachos. The new CD will be available. It's not free. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 23:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20492; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:41:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116202852.01e9f538@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:39:55 -0800 To: From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: analog delays In-Reply-To: <005a01c08038$78717800$1029059a@hal> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116162835.01c840c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Christian Leduc (07:49 PM 01.16.2001) wrote: >I don't know how many delays that Mark have?!?!? :) >Big Briar's Delay, TC D-2, Blacet time machine, I think he had also a >Deltalab's Echotron or Effectron.. so many of them!!! :) I love delay lines! At last count I have 7 _dedicated_ delay boxes, and then a number of multi-effects that also have delay capabilities. >Instead, I bought an old Ibanez >HD-1000 because it has a Pitch Shifter and Chorus ability (I sold my old >multi-effect processor).. I regret that move... The Yamaha was great, very >tap"ish" in sound... and the HD-1000 is giving me trouble when I go in the >high pitched notes on the guitar.. Yeup.. (got one too!) The HD-1000 is best used as a mono delay line. The pitch shifter is good to set up a chorus, but that's about it. I've run mine -12 semitones, but NOTHING above +3 is worth anything. The on-board regeneration is also VERY weak. There's no way to get it to run-away short of running the delay back through a channel on a mixer and controlling regen from there. Now, the _cool_ thing about the HD-1000 is that you can run an external CV into it which will control the delay time (I'm pretty sure it has an external CV_IN - mine's packed right now and I can't check). Try running an LFO from a synth into here and clock it up into the audible range. If you don't have a stand-alone LFO around :) then try a synth's audio OUT. If it's not hot enough to push the delay hard, then run the synth through a mixer channel first, crank the gain and send it through an AUX bus and out to the CV_IN on the delay line. >I know that it isn't the first time that I say that, but the Echotron of >Deltalab will always be one of my choice of predilection... It sounds quite >a lot like a pure analog device if you use the soft feedback option (with a >lowpass filter)... And it is quite cheap now on the market... And it gives >you looping ability... But it's only a thought... :) > >It was just one of those rare moments when Digital sounds as good as >analog... :) This will depend on _which_ of the Effectron's you have. The original is VERY analog sounding, but the Effectron II (which I have) is a bit brighter. But, if you run either one through a LPF, then you're happenin'. And of course, I would recommend that LPF to be the MoogerFooger MF-101! :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 23:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20512; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:41:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:41:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015401c0803f$11680aa0$ceaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: RE:NAMM Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:36:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say, "Hello," to my friend Mike Metlay of Recording magazine. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: RE:NAMM >Hey everyone, I'm off to NAMM. I'll see Todd and Mark there plus a few other >loopers I hope! Whish us luck! > >If no one caught this last time I posted the artist appearance listing at >the following link. (it's a bunch of scans in jpg format). > >http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMartists > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 16 23:55:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21075; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:53:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:53:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024501c08040$cbdb8f00$ceaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: repeater... Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:48:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0242_01C08016.E280C6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0242_01C08016.E280C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More gear to buy! P.S. On our track from 1999 (the one that used Thonk as a basis), can you determine where that distortion originates at almost exactly half way through the piece? Was is on a source track or did it happen during mixdown? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pulver To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: repeater... >Saybolt (01:21 PM 01/15/01) wrote: > > > You all shine- > > > > While reading-in over the past few days, I thought I heard mention of > >organizing for a group purchase of the Electrix - Repeater. If anyone may > >know anything of this idea, or for that matter want to make anything of this > >idea; well, let's. > >It's already in the works. > >Contact Jon at Alto Music. JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845.692.6922. > >Tell him that you want in on the Repeater group purchase from the Looper's >Delight mailing list. > > >Mark > ------=_NextPart_000_0242_01C08016.E280C6A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re Echoplex.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re Echoplex.eml" Return-Path: Received: from imr1.fast.net (imr1.fast.net [198.69.204.70]) by post7.fast.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AAK71240; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx1.fast.net (mx1.fast.net [198.69.204.98]) by imr1.fast.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABP28257; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by mx1.fast.net (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f0G2QIT05079 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00683; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:24:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:22:19 EST Subject: Re: Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call Alto Music-845 692 6922-They ARE IN STOCK! --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call Alto Music-845 692 6922-They ARE IN STOCK! --part1_c1.abb9f4a.27950a5b_boundary-- ------=_NextPart_000_0242_01C08016.E280C6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 00:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22223; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: William Lindsay Message-Id: <200101170535.WAA12222@cepheus.azstarnet.com> X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Reply-To: Cc: Subject: RE: Need DL4 Help To: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA22198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been using this feature all of the time and never had this problem. I leave my input line plugged in and power down the DL-4 externally via a power-strip. I can only guess from previous experience with other micro units but... 1. Are you using a 9V. power supply? It may run off of a different supply, but not without troubles. I wouldn't trust the accessory walwart for too long. 2. What other repairs did you have done? Could this be related to a loose wire/bent contact in the input jack? The jiggling of multiple reboots could jiggle things enough to make contact. 3. Has this problem always been this way? I plan on tearing into this unit in the near future to see if it can be modified. I'd be pretty happy to switch in some sram (save loops? ) or expand the ram (longer loops? ). I've had some luck with ram switching on other micro projects. I'll post it up to the list if I come accross anything good. (Warranty-wha?) Please keep us posted with your troubleshooting, or hit me off list. Goodluck, William (Tucson, Az) ----Original Message----- : :Any DL4 owners had a problem with the bypass feature of the unit? The :trick where you can put it into bypass so the delay decays naturally :when you switch the effect off sounds great when it works but I've had :some problems when I put the pedal in this mode. The problem is :basically that after I'm done playing, the next time I plug in, none of :the delays work at all. I have to reboot the unit twice to get the :bypass (and delays back). I had thought that this was the result of the :initial firmware of the pedal and that the problem would be fixed with :the upgrade, but after having just sent my pedal in for repairs :(including an update), I still have the same problem. : :Anyone else notice this problem and was I wrong in believing the :firmware had ANYTHING to do with the problem? Its not life threatening :or anything, but it is an annoyance and one I'd like fixed if there is :an easy fix. : :If any of you DL4 users know anything about this problem. please drop me :a line (before I contact Line 6). : :Thanks : :Kevin : : From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 01:16:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23450; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:15:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:15:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:11:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101170611.f0H6BJp26944@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: FW: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will just say that Stravinski got the same kind of feedback when he released The Rite of Spring. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 02:28:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24894; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010117072602.10515.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: d mendenhall Subject: Re: Muslimgauze To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ahhh, muslimgauze.... i am a huge fan, lets discuss then!! fave release: observe w/ sadiq bey. this man could do no wrong. i swear. dMae __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 03:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26117; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:52:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A655D53.9FE438D0@ripco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:52:45 -0600 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #22 References: <200101151932.OAA12385@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Responding to "gig spam" > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:11:22 -0800 > From: rich > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > This is an interesting thread, i think, in that we are collectively > defining some boundaries. How harsh should one be in critiquing a > fellow Looper? Should we be soft, because we might hurt their > feelings? Hurt their career? > Rich, You're raising a philosophical question. Maybe this thread is a gauge of where the collective mind of the list's subscribers is. In general, it seems to me that the notion of "common courtesy" should be followed, but I'm beginning to understand that a collective or a community formed electronically, forgoes the social norms that are assumed and expected in face-to-face physical and aural contact. That's why an electronic forum is so exciting and liberating, and also very tedious at the same time. I've learned that thoughtfulness and grace are not always what e-mail lends us to in the trade-off for immediate and free-form communication. Being free, it's also considered disposable just like a radio broadcast. Yet we expect a response in return for our time taken to read and reply, even if they responses are inflammatory. How do you define the difference between an announcement and an advertisement? I don't know the answer. The difference seems to be a baffling matter of discerning the difference between innocence and manipulation. Some people are really clever at the art of manipulation, an art that the advertising copy writer, or any good writer has to perfect. Also, some people are not as adept as others in verbalizing feelings and impressions, like Greg Lehrman, in order to offer a somewhat intelligent critique via email. It's interesting to see how so many list members have formed a long discussion thread in response to his remarks, which defined "good music" and "real art" on the traditional terms aesthetic terms that he used. Even though this list is usually always too long to read, what I would really hate to see happen is to have this list dominated by one or two aggressive participants who fill the space up with self-serving arcana that discourages, and eventually forces the whole range of participants who want to get something done, no matter how profound or trifling, from the professional to the hobbyist, to unsubscribe from this forum. That doesn't seem to be a possibility here on Loopers-Delight because this list is primarily focused on a particular set of electronic devices for making sound and music. The ideas and opinions about the sound and music that's made with these devices is only of secondary importance. Best regards, Eric -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ upcoming dates: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 08:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31442; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:14:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:14:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:07:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Muslimgauze From: "Martin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes indeed... my own faves are actually from 96 onwards when he started to push the boat out further and revert back to lo-fi...he never used a computer or sampler on his recordings either...I had the pleasure of recording Dark Thoughts and just before he died, Year Zero with him...sadly missed.... Apollon > ahhh, muslimgauze.... > > i am a huge fan, lets discuss then!! fave release: > observe w/ sadiq bey. > > this man could do no wrong. i swear. > > dMae > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 09:13:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00882; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:11:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:11:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:10:37 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Eric Leonardson cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #22 In-Reply-To: <3A655D53.9FE438D0@ripco.com> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Eric Leonardson wrote: > You're raising a philosophical question. Maybe this thread is a gauge of > where the collective mind of the list's subscribers is. Hmm... the hive mind is commanded me to purchase... analog. INteresting indeed! > ...his remarks, which defined "good music" and "real art" on the > traditional terms aesthetic terms that he used. I believe the OJays said it best " I like music, any kind of music." Fretting about what makes music and art good is kind of silly. If it calls to your soul, it calls - and that's really all that matters. As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 09:21:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01309; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:19:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:45 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: belated intro for myself Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2wgWcC.A.5T.GnaZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all - Pardon the stuff, but I feel displaced speaking in a group without a proper introduction. My name is Niisaachiiwan (nee-sah-chee-won) and I am Loon Clan OJibwe from Minneapolis, MN, U.S.A. Most of family are Canadians and I will be 27 the beginning of February. I am in college at th University of Minnesota and majoring in sociaology and in the past have majored in visual arts (fraudulent hacks), computer engineering (too much homeowrk) and music production (completed the degree!) I have a small studio in my house with it's very on room. A list of my gear is available at http://www.dogma.oag/kombinaut/hardware Once upon a time there was link to it from Mark Pulver's MIDIDWall for my pulse + review, but I alas, it seems to be gone. This is the first list I have subscribed to in a LONG time. I've been on at least 2 lists with Mr. Pulver (tip of the hat to ya Mr. P) and am looking forward to a good time on theis list. That's it folks, thanks for the time! As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 09:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02255; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <068801c08093$166e2940$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3A64DC21.6A335EF7@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: MIDI footpedal Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:37:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The manual is online: > > http://www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/manuals.html > > A *very* quick scan (no guarantee my summary is correct ) - 10 > banks, 10 patches per bank, several patch changes/control changes per > patch, 2 CV pedals, no sysex. Don't think I'll leap. Humm....reading the manual, it seems it DOESN'T deal with NoteOn/NoteOff messages. And it sends messages only upon button press, not button release. Too bad.... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:14:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03603; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:12:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:12:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: analog delays Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:06:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have both of the Ibanez units you mentioned, and I like them both. The AD202 is pretty full-featured, with delay, flange, stereo chorus, and doubling modes. The modulation section is what I like about it. It's also very quiet. A local music store has another one of these for about $150, if I remember correctly. It works well either in-line or on a send, and it has two inputs: mic and instrument (both 1/4"), which are selectable. The UE405 is more of a multi-effects unit, which is also cool, but the delay section only has controls for delay time, regen, and blend. The regen control on mine goes way past unity. This one isn't so quiet, and it requires the footswitch to operate. I tried using this one on an effect send, which works for delay, but the rest of the effects aren't very wet, so they work best in-line. I'm not sure how to access the stereo chorus on these units. I'd have to do some investigation, but the outputs may be TRS. (Anyone with info on this?) -Hans Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Heyoka_face_eater [mailto:wils0450@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:51 PM To: Loopers list Subject: analog delays Hi - I'm looking at few different models of analog delay, none of which I am familiar with in a good way. The models are as follows: Yamaha e1010 Yamaha e1005 Ibanez AD202 Ibanez UE405 Any quick opinions? As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03930; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.1060b78b.279710be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:14:06 EST Subject: Re: analog delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: ibanez harmonisers mark@redmoon-music.com writes: >The HD-1000 is best used as a mono delay line. The pitch shifter is good >to set up a chorus, but that's about it. I've run mine -12 semitones, but >NOTHING above +3 is worth anything. well, uhh, hmmm: maybe by *today*'s 'standards', but: i believe that those boxes are still eminently-usable as harmonisers by a freak-on-a-budget, no? i used that thang (and/or a 1500) on *loadsa* recordings & films as my primary 'harmoniser', for a good long while: twas great @ +7/+12/-5, etc..... so long as its output was eq'ed & further processed, a bit..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's: (@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:42:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04885; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:40:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:38:51 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: our monthly workshop info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I started the workshop "Continuous Skin Break" at CAP HOUSE,Kobe Japan. http://www.cap-kobe.com/ The 1st workshop pics and sounds uploaded. http://www.cavestudio.org/~kawasaki_kun/2001/csb1/ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:42:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04892; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c080ac$52429780$61d8b518@sxflls1.sd.home.com> From: "Eric Jackman" To: References: Subject: would like assistance Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:38:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the E-mail address that i send my unsubscribe msg to ----- Original Message ----- From: Tiktok To: Looper's Delight Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Gig spam: Seattle-->Electrochakra @ Hurricane Cafe, Wed. 1/17/017PM > Rare opportunity to see Electrochakra as a power trio, this Wednesday at the > Hurricane Cafe ("...a noisy smoke-filled bar full of junkies on the > make..."). Loops aplenty. > Plus, free nachos. > The new CD will be available. It's not free. > > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > Electrochakra > > > -- > MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: > > www.mp3.com/electrochakra > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:50:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05386; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:48:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:48:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A663A81.E967D0A@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:36:17 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: would like assistance References: <000c01c080ac$52429780$61d8b518@sxflls1.sd.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric Jackman wrote: > > What is the E-mail address that i send my unsubscribe msg to every impossible question about the loopy Unsubscribe mantra is here http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html enjoy and be back soon ;=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:55:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05612; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010117104512.00a2b030@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:54:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #31 In-Reply-To: <200101162252.RAA05994@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this group was made up of arto lindsey (the guy "banging on the guitar"), ikue mori and either robin crutchfield (if you saw keys) or one of the members of pere ubu (if you saw a bass). you might not believe it, but you are very lucky to have seen this. whether or not it was appriciatable isn't even worth bickering over as the subsequent contributions to the artform made by each member of dna are very well documented. perhaps you'd be a bit surprised by the much-more-predicitable "ambitious lovers" records made by a.l. in the late-ies. [snip] >I went to a benefit for The Kitchen (in NYC) waaay back in '81-82, [snip] >Well, about 12.30 a band came on that was sort of an anti-band if you will. >It was DNA. I recall that I thought it was just f%%king awful, no, BEYOND >that. I was appalled at the abuse that the 'guitarist' (quotes in context) >hailed upon his guitar, just BANGING on it frankly. A wall of noise. Kind >of like anti-music. It went on for oh, seemed like hours, but must've been >just 30 minutes. I was so relieved and irritated when they were finished. >I thought of it as a typical example of pretentious New York City >pseudo-art. I wished I wrote a column so I could crap all over these guys. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 10:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05624; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <50.10233d75.27971995@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:51:49 EST Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >To be on topic, can it Loop? :) Contrary to an earlier response, YES, the VG-8 can loop on its own quite interestingly: While the delay times are short (well under 2 sec.), when set to 100% feedback, all delays will repeat without decaying (NOT true of the 88, btw). Also, there is a parameter for send level to delay, so you can play over the repeats (but only within the same patch---best looping is still done with outboard gear). Most interesting to me is the fact that there's a genuine cross-feed delay mode in there which allows you to create rhythmic delay patterns not available on most built-in or even outboard delays. Not even the tc D-2 has this feature (altho it can be tricked into doing it). definitely check this mode out...and before making any decisions about what the VG-8 can do for you, download some of the countless and often very extraordinary patches available from vg-8.com. Roland sems to have not an inkling of what this baby can sound like, judging from the factory presets. There are also s everal patches in text format available there, and even if you don't have a MIDI connection for using the sysex patches, I suggest reading the text comments. My set called LOOPCLAS (as I recall) includes text on setting up the crossfeed delay to loop rhythmically. David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 11:31:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07129; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:29:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:29:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c080a2$8ecf9540$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010117104512.00a2b030@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #31 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:28:31 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_W0rgB.A.6uB.8gcZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, like I was attempting to illustrate without being obvious, Perspective is Everything more often than not. At the time I was still sliding into the Ambient Music area, and was at the Kitchen event more to hear Byrne, Eno, etc., and not an over-amplified musical statement about music, or so it seemed at the time. Many years after DNA's presentation, I met the Oil Junkys (see http://www.echograph.com/) and besides jamming with their brand of "rich sound montage of musical and audio events that range from the visceral to the sublime", found the freedom of working using just the guitar and loops/effects, instead of the entire rig of equipment I dragged all over to perform Stone Soup Project (an ongoing performance-art-music process) previous to this. So like I said, Perspective is often Everything. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! "anti:clockwise" put forth: > this group was made up of arto lindsey (the guy "banging on the guitar"), > ikue mori and either robin crutchfield (if you saw keys) or one of the > members of pere ubu (if you saw a bass). > > you might not believe it, but you are very lucky to have seen this. whether > or not it was appriciatable isn't even worth bickering over as the > subsequent contributions to the artform made by each member of dna are very > well documented. > > perhaps you'd be a bit surprised by the much-more-predicitable "ambitious > lovers" records made by a.l. in the late-ies. > > [snip] > > > >I went to a benefit for The Kitchen (in NYC) waaay back in '81-82, > > [snip] > > > >Well, about 12.30 a band came on that was sort of an anti-band if you will. > >It was DNA. I recall that I thought it was just f%%king awful, no, BEYOND > >that. I was appalled at the abuse that the 'guitarist' (quotes in context) > >hailed upon his guitar, just BANGING on it frankly. A wall of noise. Kind > >of like anti-music. It went on for oh, seemed like hours, but must've been > >just 30 minutes. I was so relieved and irritated when they were finished. > >I thought of it as a typical example of pretentious New York City > >pseudo-art. I wished I wrote a column so I could crap all over these guys. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 12:23:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08557; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:21:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:21:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A65CFF0.E6CBE0D0@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:01:36 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? References: <50.10233d75.27971995@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to everyone for all the great information and links on the VG8. It has all been very helpful. I have one outstanding question that is confusing me though. People are describing this as a Modeling system and not a guitar synth. Does the VG8 "overwrite" the sound of your existing guitar or does is sort of process it? In other words I understand you can make it have alternate tunings but are these tunings of your actual guitar or of what the VG8 is modeling? I honestly don't have much need for more "guitar" sounds but the idea of making my guitar play "weird" sounds and "track" properly is very intriguing. Can you program the VG8 to play strange sounds that are unguitarlike? I listened to some of the WAV files on vg8.com and it certainly seems like it but I'm not sure what's the VG and what's the effects and or original guitar sound. Thanks again for all the great help! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 12:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08871; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:31:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:31:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:20:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping machines for woodwind From: mamaSutra To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a GT-5 for sax, flute and vocal looping. You can hear it on some of my band's recordings at www.mamasutra.com. I really like the gt-5. If you set it up properly you can get some crazy effects going... I have mine set up so the control pedal engages or disengages the delay, and the expression pedal sets the length of feedback. I can set the feedback to infinity, then just punch in with the control pedal when I want to add a sound to the loop. I also have another pedal set for tap tempo. You can't do a long loop, but you can do things a boomerang won't do (I use a boomerang for guitar). As I said, check out the audio section on www.mamasutra.com to hear examples. In particular, check out the blue jams. Russell >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for some looping device that i can use on stage and that is >> suiteabl for voice and woodwind looping. I play the saxophone and will >> connect the mic to the PA-system and then put the looping machine to the >> effect return. Is that the right way or shall I connect it in another way? >> >> Best regards >> >> /Per >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 12:39:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09110; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: RE: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c080ab$da9896d0$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3A65CFF0.E6CBE0D0@voicenet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can make sounds on the v you can't imagine. It process the sound vibrations from the string and models them into new creations, unlike playing a synth which is simply triggered. The sounds you make for instance with a muted palm are different from open finger picking or strumming, with the same patch. You can create all kinds of strange cutoff filters on some of the "instruments" as they are called. Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Legion [mailto:Legion@voicenet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? > > > Thanks to everyone for all the great information and links on the > VG8. It has all > been very helpful. > > I have one outstanding question that is confusing me though. People are > describing this as a Modeling system and not a guitar synth. Does the VG8 > "overwrite" the sound of your existing guitar or does is sort of > process it? In > other words I understand you can make it have alternate tunings > but are these > tunings of your actual guitar or of what the VG8 is modeling? > > I honestly don't have much need for more "guitar" sounds but the > idea of making > my guitar play "weird" sounds and "track" properly is very > intriguing. Can you > program the VG8 to play strange sounds that are unguitarlike? I > listened to some > of the WAV files on vg8.com and it certainly seems like it but > I'm not sure > what's the VG and what's the effects and or original guitar sound. > > Thanks again for all the great help! > > ____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info 50 hube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 12:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09466; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:42:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010117093844.01a512c0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:38:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? In-Reply-To: <3A65CFF0.E6CBE0D0@voicenet.com> References: <50.10233d75.27971995@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3YSy2B.A.ITC.mkdZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:01 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Legion wrote: >I honestly don't have much need for more "guitar" sounds but the idea of making >my guitar play "weird" sounds and "track" properly is very intriguing. Can you >program the VG8 to play strange sounds that are unguitarlike? I listened to some >of the WAV files on vg8.com and it certainly seems like it but I'm not sure >what's the VG and what's the effects and or original guitar sound. i tried a vg-8 for a week, with pretty much this same agenda. the non-guitarlike stuff is less well developed on that box than the guitar emulations are: only a handful of different categories of sound, and those not as configurable as i would have liked. still lots of fun though, and the synthetic models did respond pretty well to guitar specific techniques like pick noise, etc. i would have kept it except for one thing: when trying to play long, sustained notes in isolation using the synthetic models, i got quiet but noticable "glitches" in the sustained sound: little bursts of odd noise. this was confirmed by the very knowledgable sales guy, so i don't think it was operator error. since i wanted to do soundscape stuff as part of the repetoire, this was enough for me to return it. for more dense material, i don't think it would have been noticable, but you might want to check this out. anyone else experienced this? haven't tried the vg-88 yet to see if this has been fixed in it. are there more synthetic models in the 88 than the 8? ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 13:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10203; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:00:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Douglas Bonneville" To: Subject: RE: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c080af$169c2d60$6601a8c0@wesley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010117093844.01a512c0@mail.well.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I never had that problem. Many problems have been attributed to the guitar and GK-2A combination and setup. The only anomolies I ever heard was on really clean patches where I did an alternate tuning, you could hear slight warble in some cases where the v was deciding what pitch to play your note... > like pick noise, etc. i would have kept it except for one thing: when > trying to play long, sustained notes in isolation using the synthetic > models, i got quiet but noticable "glitches" in the sustained > sound: little > bursts of odd noise. this was confirmed by the very knowledgable sales > guy, so i don't think it was operator error. since i wanted to do From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 13:24:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10691; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:23:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:23:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: kcoyle@mail.black-hole.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:24:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Now that I have my EDP... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...not that I've even begun to learn to use it, I'd like to sell my Boomerang. It's a few years old, 2/4 minutes, I think I have the manual, and am pretty sure I have the box. It does not have the new software, and I don't know how one gets an upgrade or what it costs. I'd like to realize $275 for it, you pay shipping. It is in absolutely new condition. K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 13:53:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11285; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c080b5$f72c85e0$0528059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <7c.1060b78b.279710be@aol.com> Subject: Re: analog delays Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, do you call me a FREAK-ON-A-BUDGET?!?! :) But... you're right!!! :) I didn't know you used these kind of things (HD-1000 or 1500).. Well, I'm not a big harmonizer man but I think I've seen worst than the HD-1000 in those kind of effects.. But it is not a Eventide unit neither.. :) And since I'm a Freak-on-a-budget, I can't afford the Eventide right now.. But about the delay, well, Mark is right, the thing is not very good... The Echotron (ADM 4096, Mark) is better suited for these operations in a Freak-on-a-budget point of view!! :) Best.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: analog delays > re: ibanez harmonisers > > mark@redmoon-music.com writes: > >The HD-1000 is best used as a mono delay line. The pitch shifter is good > >to set up a chorus, but that's about it. I've run mine -12 semitones, but > >NOTHING above +3 is worth anything. > well, uhh, hmmm: > maybe by *today*'s 'standards', but: > i believe that those boxes are still eminently-usable as harmonisers by a > freak-on-a-budget, no? > i used that thang (and/or a 1500) on *loadsa* recordings & films as my > primary 'harmoniser', for a good long while: > twas great @ +7/+12/-5, etc..... > so long as its output was eq'ed & further processed, a bit..... > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > > 2 new CD's: (@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) > 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH > (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser > (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim > Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth > Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > > On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com > > "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for > electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." > BillBoard Magazine (usa) > > "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." > Keyboard Magazine (usa) > > "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy > shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional > transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute > cosmic package". > Alternative Press (usa) > > "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" > Splendid > > > SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah > Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf > List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > > > [Unable to display image] > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 14:40:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12833; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:39:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:39:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010117113521.00979e80@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:35:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: RE: Roland VG8 Guitar system? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 PM 1/17/01 -0500, "Douglas Bonneville" wrote: >I never had that problem. Many problems have been attributed to the guitar >and GK-2A combination and setup. good point: it is very important to try the vg-8(8) with the guitar & hex pickup you intend to use with it. i did hear the sustain glitches w/ 2 different guitar/pickup combos though, & only on the synthetic models. ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 15:10:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14347; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:06:14 EST Subject: Roland VGA-7 Modelling Amp To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <96.ecdb3d4.27975536@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since folks are discussing the VG-8, how about the VGA-7 modelling amp? It's sort of like a VG-88 in an amplifier. I just bought one and, so far, I REALLY like it. I haven't scratched the surface yet of its capabilities but even the presets are pretty good. A few I've gone nuts over. The speaker configuration is interesting (2 12" speakers and complementary horns). I'm running the outs into my mixer then, ultimately, into my Echoplex. This is one amazing tool, folks. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 15:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14577; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:15:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c080c2$2fa18860$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <96.ecdb3d4.27975536@aol.com> Subject: Re: Roland VGA-7 Modelling Amp Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:15:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that part of the DG series? I hear great things abouth those and the new DG Stomp- cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: Roland VGA-7 Modelling Amp > Since folks are discussing the VG-8, how about the VGA-7 modelling amp? It's sort of like a VG-88 in an amplifier. > > I just bought one and, so far, I REALLY like it. I haven't scratched the surface yet of its capabilities but even the presets are pretty good. A few I've gone nuts over. The speaker configuration is interesting (2 12" speakers and complementary horns). I'm running the outs into my mixer then, ultimately, into my Echoplex. > > This is one amazing tool, folks. > > Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 15:20:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14739; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Roland VGA-7 Modelling Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:14:11 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/17/2001 02:14:20 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Is that part of the DG series? I hear great things abouth those and the new >>DG Stomp- Nope. DG = Yamaha. VG = Roland. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 15:27:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14972; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101172024.MAA07233@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:26:14 -0700 Subject: Re: analog delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damn-guess i'd better pull out my 1500 again-there *was* something ornately beautiful about that thangee. here's for not throwin anything away...stanner ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: analog delays >Date: Wed, Jan 17, 2001, 8:14 AM > >re: ibanez harmonisers > >mark@redmoon-music.com writes: >>The HD-1000 is best used as a mono delay line. The pitch shifter is good >>to set up a chorus, but that's about it. I've run mine -12 semitones, but >>NOTHING above +3 is worth anything. >well, uhh, hmmm: >maybe by *today*'s 'standards', but: >i believe that those boxes are still eminently-usable as harmonisers by a >freak-on-a-budget, no? >i used that thang (and/or a 1500) on *loadsa* recordings & films as my >primary 'harmoniser', for a good long while: >twas great @ +7/+12/-5, etc..... >so long as its output was eq'ed & further processed, a bit..... >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15951; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:58:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:58:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO)) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:57:06 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 20:57:07.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D61ED70:01C080C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Stephen, It just goes to show that everything is relative. I loved the evil noise that was DNA! I have their 1st ep "A Taste of DNA" and I really think that at least 2 of the members went on to do more substantial music: Arto Lindsay (guitars/voice) and Ikue Mori (then drums later drum machines now samplers/laptop) are both very experimental and talented musicians and it seems only fitting that they would start off in one of the worlds most horrible sounding bands. I don't think that either of them do much looping, but we all have to start somewhere and why not a horrible anti-band? Sometimes music can be so bad that it is endearing (the Shaggs also come to mind- but they never improved). Now I want to get the "No New York" compilation that was re-released in Japan, so I can relive this period in time more fully. I only mention "No New York" because Eno produced the album and was part of the whole "No Wave" scene in New York back in the early 80's. Speaking of noisy loops of this era (80's) anyone have the Thurston Moore (or was it Lee Renaldo) record with lock grooves? I have to dig my copy up and start playing with it. Maybe I'll steal something from it and loop it on my Jamman or SP-808... then twist it some more... Sometimes I find beauty in horror. Nick Wilson Stephen P. Goodman said: I went to a benefit for The Kitchen (in NYC) waaay back in '81-82, a two-night event at a former Bond's store-turned-club.  Billed as being there were David Byrne, Brian Eno, and a long list of avant-garde (do they still use this term?) luminaries and anti-luminaries.... Well, about 12.30 a band came on that was sort of an anti-band if you will. It was DNA.  I recall that I thought it was just f%%king awful, no, BEYOND that.  I was appalled at the abuse that the 'guitarist' (quotes in context) hailed upon his guitar, just BANGING on it frankly.  A wall of noise.  Kind of like anti-music.  It went on for oh, seemed like hours, but must've been just 30 minutes.  I was so relieved and irritated when they were finished. I thought of it as a typical example of pretentious New York City pseudo-art.  I wished I wrote a column so I could crap all over these guys. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16589; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:08:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:08:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD64@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WA S THERE TOO)) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:06:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C080C9.6038F060" Resent-Message-ID: <6lmRED.A.sCE.pmgZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080C9.6038F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Stephen, It just goes to show that everything is relative. ** ya know, my take on this was that stephen's taste actually changed and that he ended up kind of digging the dna thang. if nothing else, it inspired him to go home and create something of his own. but maybe i'm wrong. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080C9.6038F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I = WAS THERE TOO))


Hey Stephen,

It just goes to show that everything is = relative.

** ya know, my take on this was that stephen's taste = actually changed and that he ended up kind of digging the dna thang. if = nothing else, it inspired him to go home and create something of his = own.

but maybe i'm wrong.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C080C9.6038F060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:13:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16646; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:10:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c080ca$e9490600$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: Cc: Subject: Ensoniq ASR-X Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:17:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the guys who's contributed to my artist collective website is trying to get rid of some gear to finance some sort of apprenticeship. He's got an Ensoniq ASR-X keyboard sampler for sale, and he lives in New Orleans (in case any of you all are nearby and want pickup instead of delivery). I was looking around and it looks like street for this box (hardly used) is about $750-800. He says he CAN take credit cards or a money order... If you are interested, please email ne0n@infin8ty.com Thanks, phalen "I am just the messenger" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:16:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17097; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:14:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:14:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:05:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4FKex.A.1KE.1rgZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Speaking of noisy loops of this era (80's) anyone have the Thurston >Moore (or was it Lee Renaldo) record with lock grooves? Pretty sure it was Renaldo...sounds like fun...while your at it on a NY theme, be sure to sample Lou Reed's metal machine music! mangle away... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17476; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:31:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:31:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.42.94.154] From: "Saybolt" To: "J. W. Saybolt" Subject: If you are so inclined- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:22:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C080FD.E8282480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 21:29:18.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CAAA050:01C080CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C080FD.E8282480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies if you've already seen this... 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  960) Ron Giles

  961. = Betty=20 Gabriel, Rutherfordton, NC 28139

  962. Patty Neal Dorian, = Durham,=20 27701

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  965. Dearsley Vernon,=20 Charlotte, NC 28211

  966. Judy Lane, Charlotte, NC=20 28211

  967. Josephine Morgan, Bellingham, WA =20 98225

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  970. = Charlotte M.=20 Carlson, Albuquerque, NM 87114

  971. Leslie Colley, = Columbia, TN=20 38401

  972. Mary Walker, Tucson, AZ 85737

  = 973. Jan=20 Zwartendyk, Tucson, AZ 85737

  974. Anne Bowden,  = Tucson, AZ=20 85737

  975. Yvonne Mandorf, Tucson, AZ 85737

  = 976.=20 Donna Gerstenberger, Tucson, AZ 85737

  977. Margaret = Scarborough,=20 Ashland, OR 97520

  978. Deborah Green, Seattle, WA=20 98112

  979. Margaret Scarborough, = mscarbor@home.com

 =20 980. Janet Winans, Parker AZ 85344

  981. Hester and Paull = Giddings,=20 Paramus, NJ

  982. Sara Gage, New York, NY = 10023

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  985. Shari = Isacowitz,=20 Great Neck, NY

  986. Barbara Fultz, New York, NY=20 10013

  987. Becky Burcham, New York, NY  = 10013

 =20 988. Don Dixon, Canton, OH 44709

 =20 989.  Chris Frank, Chapel Hill, NC 27516

  990.   Elizabeth Valsing, Chapel Hill, = NC =20 27516
 
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993.  = Patty Pieper,=20 Dalton, WI  53926

994.    Justine Germaine, = Madison,=20 WI

995.    A.J. Kuisis, Boulder, CO = 80302
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C080FD.E8282480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:34:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17508; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:31:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:30:02 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA17443 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang... here's what I was replying to... a response for Steuart Liebig regarding Kevin's post. My post was a FOLLOW UP to that. -Miko >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 01/17/01 01:19PM >>> hey miko, can you please forward to the list? my corporate server seems to be munching. this post didn't go through yesterday (corporate server?). so i've had to prune a little in hopes of it getting through whatever it need to get through. so i figured that i'd try to give you all what miko excerpted . . . ¯---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** miko thought that i was being generous yesterday, i guess i'm gonna feel a little surly (and long-winded) today . . . (And for the most part, even Steuart's own comments are consistent with Gary's on the first two acts). ** i guess that the deal is this: yeah i didn't love the first two acts, gimme a break. when was the last you time you played a rock club or went to one and liked any of the (other) bands? i remember sitting in many a rock club and just cringing through the latest guns and roses or what-have-you wannabe. i think that this whole thing is so overblown. if you want immediate and maximum happiness, stay home and listen to your favorite cds; if you wanna hear something that might be different - - that you could either love or hate - - go out and hear something, or buy a cd by someone you've never heard. i sure have bought a lot of cds by people that i only know of and have loved, hated or been bored. i find this carping tiresome. A person's reaction to "music" depends on what they think music is, fundamentally... on how they DEFINE it. And, there are certainly many different definitions of what constitutes music, aren't there? ** right . . . In all honesty, the headlining act primarily consisted of Steuart using various objects and effects to make sound effect-type sounds on his bass, while occasionally fingering a few notes here and there. ** that's YOUR perception. if you want to talk about my compostional aims during that gig, we can. the first sound i played was a chord of c-g#-b, with trem and phase-shifter (sounds like harmony to me), i repeated this chord numerous times in the first tune. Dictionary.com defines music as "The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre." Well, folks, I think Gary, and I, both expected a performance that would adhere to this definition, and with some looping thrown in to boot. ** look: if you have to pull mister webster into this, you are really barking up the wrong tree. i suggest that you learn a little more about 20th-century music. i know this sounds harsh, but give me a break. you ever listen to steve reich? there are many pieces where i'm not really sure that i hear "melody" as mister webster would define it. is that music? how about webern, sometimes no "discernable" melody or rhythm, and many hate his harmony and think that it's crap - - but it IS all about timbre. the list could go on and on. say you don't like it or that it doesn't fit your aesthetic, but if you're gonna try to get into the dictionary (which is written for laymen, not musicians) with me/it . . . For her part, Anna made her own sound effects using a variety of common objects and toys, and occasionally sang words in tongues. I am not overstating this! Really, folks, in all honesty and trying to give Steuart every break I possibly can, you'd have to be using an extremely loose definition of the term "music" for that performance to qualify! ** for what it's worth my shorter oxford english dictionary has this: "the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds with a view to beauty or coherence of form and expression of emotion." that's what we did or were trying to do, WHETHER or not YOU liked it. And Anna, bless her heart, I think she really needed something else from you last night, Steuart, because all she could do was make goofy sound effects herself. ** ya know, anna has played with some master musicians in america and europe: peter kowald, david moss, etc. at this point, i may defer to their opinions of her instrument and artistic sesibility/value over yours. You were the only one who had their hands on a true musical instrument. She was the icing on the cake - if you weren't making music, then music would not be had. ** careful, your condescension is showing. plus, anna likes what i do with her and i like what she does. >From the audience, the performance felt quite shy of being a musical event. If I may offer constructive comments, I think that what was needed was more rhythmic feel, a greater sense of structure, and much more looping. I know that Steuart said there was looping, but it was not the kind of looping that builds up a structure, that embellishes and enhances the notes and rhythms that went before it. The fact is, there were few occasions when the music felt like more than one person was playing it. ** so it wasn't looping that YOU LIKE or the way you want to hear it. The AABA structure Steuart mentioned earlier was not discernable in the audience because there was so LITTLE structure to the overall performance. ** sorry you didn't hear it. There were awkward pauses after each "song" and before people began to clap. Why? Because people weren't sure the "song" was over. No one wanted to be the first to clap if there was still more "song" to come. ** how many improv concerts do you go to? i go to a fair amount. the waiting for the right moment to clap is not that unusual. I also think most of the folks there (perhaps everyone except for Gary and I) were there to see performance art, not music. It was about "performance art" as the flyers laid on each of the tables said. ** i gotta tell you this: i don't consider what joseph hammer did to be performance art, not in the very least. i don't think that he would either. i don't consider myself to be a performance artist, all i do is get up and play music (whether or not you like it or care to give it that appellation) - - if i could perform better, i probably would've been a lot more successful in the rock vein, but i find it hard to prance, all i do is stand up and play. the flyer actually said performance art and MUSIC. i think that you should just deal with the fact that there was music there that you didn't like. why bother avoiding that? I got something out of last night. ** that's comforting . . . this performance, indeed the whole evening, was not about music. ** for you. Looking at the evening as an experience in performance art, rather than music or looping, allowed me to get something from the experience. It was acceptable to me because I was no longer kidding myself that it was, in fact, music (using the definition given above). ** did you have the dictionary with you? ;-) I honestly felt that I had been misled about what was going to happen there, and I felt ripped off that the headline act only played for 30 minutes... and this even included an onstage discussion about whether or not to do one more "song" (which they did). ** my original post said something like "bass, tools and loopage" - - not "looping, bass and tools"; i guess that most of the people on this list use looping a LOT more in their performances/music than i do. maybe i'll bail on the gig ads then. as far as time - - I wanted it to be longer too, there was a band coming in at 10:00, we had to stop at 9:30, simple logistics. i share your disappointment. Steuart, I wish you had respected us as an audience a little more to be a little better prepared than you two were, ** it was anna's gig, i felt pretty relaxed about the whole thing, i don't know what i should've done to make you feel better. we don't do tunes, what exactly do you want us to do? and to figure out how to make such unusual instrumentation work together more effectively. ** your opinion The potential seemed great, but the implementation fell flat, in my eyes. Perhaps you and Anna just don't play together that well - I think we've probably all experienced that phenomenon some time or other. I can tell from watching your hands that you can play - I just wish that you had! And I grant that it is not easy to MAKE music under all the conditions of last night. ** well this is incredibly funny and leads to the whole thing of to each his own. people came up to me after the gig and said that the gig was "amazing" the EXACT same gig that you saw; people i didn't know. they wanted recordings of anna and me, they wanted to know if any of the cds i was selling had examples of how i was playing bass that night (i told 'em no, that they were more note-oriented - - and they didn't buy 'em!). i had people who were blown away by the fact that i was playing the "whole bass" (like percussion, etc.) and not just notes. this is the same gig that you saw. i'm sorry that you didn't like it, but really . . . these other people did. (balanced with you and gary, i figure that i'm batting at least .500, if not higher.) MOST importantly i liked the gig. yeah, i liked what we did. we fell down a few times, but that's the nature of playing free improv. Anna felt compelled at one point to tell the audience, in an arguably apologetic way, that it was the first gig that she and Steuart had done together. ** anna was feeling the burn of being the "entrepaneur" for the evening. if you've ever put on your own gigs, you know what this is like; if you haven't well, you'll just have to wait for that wonderful feeling of anxiety. i feel like you're looking for ammo here . . . Had I been riding herd on your rig last night, Steuart, I would have been using loops to create rhythmic feels to give a tangible, solid foundation to the "music" that Anna was creating. In between her "musical phrases," I would have been adding things on top as well, to enhance feeling and provide a counterpoint. It would have been great if you two could have "talked together" during the performance, using your "instruments"! I liked some of those sound effects you did a lot, but my own opinion is that such effects are a means to an end, not an end in itself. I would have wanted to create enough of a solid sound canvas that both you and Anna could have painted on it at the same time... and in a complementary, musically pleasing way. I would have seen that as my responsibility, since I was the only one actually using a traditional musical instrument. ** i'll mention this to her, maybe she'll be interested. *** truthfully, we enjoy playing together. she seems to feel that i fit in well with what she does. i really don't have a clue if she would like your suggestions. for what it's worth, i guess this is where you got something out of the gig; you came up with a way to do something in the context that would've fit your aesthetic personality. all to the good, i suppose - - no matter how irksome it is for me to hear it. **** have you considered that your solution may not fit anna's aesthetic? are you ready for that? she LOVES the way i play with her. feature that. maybe you should find a vocalist to do some free improv with. we can have a battle of the bands and you can show us how it's done. If you lead us to believe that a night of looping music is planned, then you should expect that we'll be disappointed if we don't get that. ** i don't believe that the post said ANYTHING about an "evening of looping music." to be honest, what with joseph hammer's set, i believe that there was more looping going on than i advertised! my post said that i would be playing bass, tools and loopage (or something to that affect). you shouldn't then be surprised if we use the same vehicle you used to promote the event, to give back to the community our impressions of the event, perhaps even using rather pointed language. ** i don't have a problem with that. i don't think that all of you reasoning has been valid, but it' an interesting dialog. hope you don't mind the pointed rebuttal. In this case, the most honest thing about Steuart's gig spam to this list was that he did, in fact, correctly label it as "spam" when he sent it to the list. ** ya know, i made so much money off that gig that i'll now be able to stop all the spam i've been sending from argentina for viagra and all my other commercial enterprises. can you tell that your silly comment has peeved me a little? It's not that the evening didn't hold something of value for everyone who attended, it's just that it was not the musical/looping event some of us expected it would be. ** i'm truly sorry that you didn't like the performance; unfortunatly for you, you and gary both decided to come to [probably] the most "out" gig that i've done in the last three months. but . . . . excuse me. how times do you do anything that "holds value for everyone who attended"? this is just ridiculous to assume that it could. if you feel that you deserve to like everything that you hear or see, go back to what you know. Stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:34:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17545; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO)) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:31:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 21:31:24.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7916E50:01C080CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: rich >>Speaking of noisy loops of this era (80's) anyone have the Thurston >>Moore (or was it Lee Renaldo) record with lock grooves? > > >Pretty sure it was Renaldo...sounds like fun...while your at it on a >NY theme, be sure to sample Lou Reed's metal machine music! mangle >away... > >rich Lee Renaldo, huh? I'm a big fan of his work with The Loaf! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 16:56:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19389; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:54:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:54:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: NPR, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:49:10 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/17/2001 03:49:10 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this is a hoax. check the following page for details: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/petition/nea.htm L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20263; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.64] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:03:20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 22:03:20.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DCCEE10:01C080D1] Resent-Message-ID: <_omwsB.A.W8E.GbhZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? I'm much more interested in art made by people who have a need to make art. And why is it inherently good to have a lot of cash flowing from government agencies to the budlicks that are good at getting grants? Has anyone else sat and thought this through? I'd love to see NPR go under and I'm sick of having it held over our heads like someone is doing us a favor. The journalism there is about as objective as voodoo frenzy... This whole reverent NPR [public money] mentality seems very unanarchistic to me... Very unlooplike. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20443; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:11:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:11:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47BB@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:10:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com man that boys got balls of steel~~he done got a point to~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Robert Eberwein [mailto:robert_eberwein@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NPR Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? I'm much more interested in art made by people who have a need to make art. And why is it inherently good to have a lot of cash flowing from government agencies to the budlicks that are good at getting grants? Has anyone else sat and thought this through? I'd love to see NPR go under and I'm sick of having it held over our heads like someone is doing us a favor. The journalism there is about as objective as voodoo frenzy... This whole reverent NPR [public money] mentality seems very unanarchistic to me... Very unlooplike. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:20:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20763; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:18:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:18:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c080d3$4225c440$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD64@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO)) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:17:04 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C080D3.389F6980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C080D3.389F6980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in Hollywood (I WAS THERE = TOO))Thank you! Someone got it! :) It just goes to show that everything is relative.=20 ** ya know, my take on this was that stephen's taste actually changed = and that he ended up kind of digging the dna thang. if nothing else, it = inspired him to go home and create something of his own. but maybe i'm wrong.=20 stig=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C080D3.389F6980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Disappointed in DNA (was: Re: Disappointed in = Hollywood (I WAS THERE TOO))
Thank you!  Someone got it! = :)

It just goes to show that everything is = relative.

** ya know, my take on this was that stephen's taste = actually=20 changed and that he ended up kind of digging the dna thang. if nothing = else,=20 it inspired him to go home and create something of his own.

but maybe i'm wrong.

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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C080D3.389F6980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21014; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:26:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c080d4$72f736c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:25:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I strongly disagree- look over what the NEA funds- and listen to NPR and compare for yourself- it is relative but these organizations provide vital alternatives to main stream garbage- far more interesting and open overall- Bob Moog, Robert Fripp, etc havem all been on NPR along with many unlnowns whom I discovered through the broadcast- when was the last time you saw any of these guys on Nightline with Tom Brokaw- seriously- my 2 centavos- And personally, if I was doing large art, had the means to get a government grant to do it- who the hell cares? More power to me, the artist riding on gov't funds! Fueling my "need to make art" with govt money is as valid an endeavor as any IMO - I'd rather see the money go there than a thousand other awful government related alternatives- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: NPR > Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? I'm much more interested in > art made by people who have a need to make art. And why is it inherently > good to have a lot of cash flowing from government agencies to the budlicks > that are good at getting grants? Has anyone else sat and thought this > through? I'd love to see NPR go under and I'm sick of having it held over > our heads like someone is doing us a favor. The journalism there is about as > objective as voodoo frenzy... > > This whole reverent NPR [public money] mentality seems very unanarchistic to > me... Very unlooplike. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21151; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:29:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:29:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A65AF86.486F@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:43:17 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NPR References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? When I was at music school (CalArts), it was largely NEA money which was responsible for bringing in visiting artists to do talks and lectures. Just between '94 and '96 there were significant NEA cutbacks, which resulted in fewer visiting artists coming in as guests. > I'm much more interested in > art made by people who have a need to make art. Unfortunately, even people who have a need to make art need more to live on than just air and praise alone. Do you think it's a coincidence that the US does so little to support arts funding, and simultaneously happens to be a notoriously hostile environment for creative music in comparison to other countries? > I'd love to see NPR go under and I'm sick of having it held over > our heads like someone is doing us a favor. The journalism there is about as > objective as voodoo frenzy. Public radio isn't just journalism. It also involves a lot of music programming which relies on either government money or listener donations to be able to stay afloat. > This whole reverent NPR [public money] mentality seems very unanarchistic to > me... You'd be amazed at how many government-related mentalities are devoid of anarchist thought. > Very unlooplike. Is there a more loop-approved method of financing the arts that you'd suggest as a viable alternative? And when did anarchism become the loopist's philosophy du jour? --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21436; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47BD@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:35:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I mean look at what that 'incredible artist' maplethorpe achieved!!! Just think if we could come even clsoe with our creations~~~~~~~~~~not,dt well npr is actually open to all kinds of musicians on the radio program, but come on, a maplethorpe meets looping exibition would really shake things up?>! no? -----Original Message----- From: MediaOne [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NPR I strongly disagree- look over what the NEA funds- and listen to NPR and compare for yourself- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:40:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21450; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A661177.1AB8@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:41:13 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NPR References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47BB@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com extreme statements rarely have a well thought out opinion behind them, I could critisize NPR/PBS quite a bit as well, I frequently do, but "voodoo frenzy", c'mon. my wife listens to NPR alot, she's an intelligent person, my young child loves PBS as do many children, I'm not so sure replacing those shows w/ more repeats of the cocoa krispy hour would be such a great idea. I've personally known many artists who've used grants well and I aggree a few people who just seem good at getting them, but assign blame where its due and not to all. as to goverment money in art, its always been a mixed bag but its always been done, this is nothing new, art has been intertwined w/ governments throughout human history, perhaps whats needed is a better approach, next time your car gets a flat are you gonna junk it? yes I aggree feeling compelled to make art, that drive, is a step along the way to true artistry but surely you don't suggest that all artists be part-time, that they should just let thier lives go to hell or work at the local quicky mart to support YOUR version of whats right looping = anarchy I don't get that one at all you'll find there's room for us all From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:40:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21449; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:37:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47BE@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'altruist@altruistmusic.com'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:36:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NPR Robert Eberwein wrote: > Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? I could use a couple of dollars for some cables and a diet coke......`.`.`.`.`.`.`.`..``..`. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 17:59:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22161; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:57:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:57:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A661632.66C3@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:01:25 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NPR References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47BD@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com actually maplethorpes technique was great, the homoerotic themes are a bit much in some of his work and for some of us not too much fun, but then again put in the context of time I think most folks understand its about a culture looking to emerge from a closet. did you ever see anything other than the extreme stuff that got passed around because it was so incendiary, or are you trashing someone w/o giving them a fair look? so then because we don't care for one artist(or one aspect of thier work) supported by the NEA we throw it out? there seems to be so many people in the US right now putting on reationary blinders, damn scary it is From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 18:15:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23108; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:13:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:13:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801c080da$ecac13e0$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007601c080d4$72f736c0$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:12:06 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry but they don't get my thumbs up. The vast minority of material on NPR is Moog, Fripp, etc. Whenever I do hear NPR it's a bunch of carping politicos with nothing better to do than pontificate if not just vomit all over me as a citizen. Phooey. The more cash USGovCo gives money to art, the less private citizens both value and fund it themselves. Despite a multitude of attempts on my own part, I've NEVER gotten them to play my stuff, much less let me donate my time as a computing person - they just want the cash because of course THEY KNOW BETTER THAN US. Bullocks. In any event, this NEA/NPR "petition" crap has been the substance of pure unadulterated chain mail spam since the early 90s before the graphic Web existed. As such the link originally given up here has been rescinded by the host-in-question. Frankly I'd rather have the money NPR wastes vomiting their political monologue in my frigging pocket. And let those who really believe in it support it. That's a democracy, and not Art The State Supports. I say screw USGovCo's idea of Art! And now back to looping, eh? :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From: "MediaOne" put forth: > I strongly disagree- look over what the NEA funds- and listen to NPR and > compare for yourself- it is relative but these organizations provide vital > alternatives to main stream garbage- far more interesting and open overall- > Bob Moog, Robert Fripp, etc havem all been on NPR along with many unlnowns > whom I discovered through the broadcast- when was the last time you saw any > of these guys on Nightline with Tom Brokaw- seriously- my 2 centavos- And > personally, if I was doing large art, had the means to get a government > grant to do it- who the hell cares? More power to me, the artist riding on > gov't funds! Fueling my "need to make art" with govt money is as valid an > endeavor as any IMO - I'd rather see the money go there than a thousand > other awful government related alternatives- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Eberwein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:03 PM > Subject: NPR > > > > Who the *F* wants government money, to make art? I'm much more interested > in > > art made by people who have a need to make art. And why is it inherently > > good to have a lot of cash flowing from government agencies to the > budlicks > > that are good at getting grants? Has anyone else sat and thought this > > through? I'd love to see NPR go under and I'm sick of having it held over > > our heads like someone is doing us a favor. The journalism there is about > as > > objective as voodoo frenzy... > > > > This whole reverent NPR [public money] mentality seems very unanarchistic > to > > me... Very unlooplike. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 18:35:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23636; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.154] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:31:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 23:31:48.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[A99FBE00:01C080DD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reading these recent threads on avant-garde vs. accessible, gig critiquing, etc. made me wonder if Amy Denio would have been able to draw a bigger audience to her gigs in the Tampa Bay area if she was marketed as an "alternative singer-songwriter" instead of as a "new/experimental musician". I know several people who would have liked her music but are scared away by the words "avant-garde", "experimental", etc. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 18:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23637; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c080dd$46d89260$5aad1597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Cc: Subject: new-email address check in Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:29:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C080E5.A7B1FE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C080E5.A7B1FE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry, just checking in new e-mail address...thanx Italoop ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C080E5.A7B1FE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry, just checking in new e-mail = address...thanx=20 Italoop
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C080E5.A7B1FE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 18:59:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24228; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:53:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C080E0.C0934340" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E0.C0934340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ** good point. ya know, bill frisell used ot be considered an "experimental" downtown nyc musician. course, he's changed a little bit too. stig Reading these recent threads on avant-garde vs. accessible, gig critiquing, etc. made me wonder if Amy Denio would have been able to draw a bigger audience to her gigs in the Tampa Bay area if she was marketed as an "alternative singer-songwriter" instead of as a "new/experimental musician". I know several people who would have liked her music but are scared away by the words "avant-garde", "experimental", etc. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E0.C0934340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything"

** good point.

ya know, bill frisell used ot be considered an = "experimental" downtown nyc musician. course, he's changed a = little bit too.

stig



Reading these recent threads on avant-garde vs. = accessible, gig critiquing,
etc. made me wonder if Amy Denio would have been = able to draw a bigger
audience to her gigs in the Tampa Bay area if she = was marketed as an
"alternative singer-songwriter" instead of = as a "new/experimental musician".
  I know several people who would have liked = her music but are scared away
by the words "avant-garde", = "experimental", etc.

Paolo
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E0.C0934340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24760; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:00:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0809F.46210B60.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:05:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The more cash USGovCo gives money to art, the less private citizens both >value and fund it themselves. ROFL. What are you smoking? Please pass it around :> Do you really think that the majority of the public will >ever< have discriminating tastes in entertainment? (I suppose that that's the same as saying "Will we ever all be above average drivers?" but you know what I mean) > Sorry but they don't get my thumbs up. The vast minority of material on NPR > is Moog, Fripp, etc. Whenever I do hear NPR it's a bunch of carping > politicos with nothing better to do than pontificate if not just vomit all > over me as a citizen. Phooey. Oh yeah? Well check out: http://www.npr.org/programs/lnfsound/ Lost and found sounds. Really cool stuff. http://www.scern.org/pj/ Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz - she has a different legendary guest in every week. http://www.thisamericanlife.com The antique road show of people. There's a >loads< more, too. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24899; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:03:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoing your comments on that! Remember where Brian Eno's stuff was in the "conventional" music stores until he helped U2 become somewhat listenable? :) It was a range of "Experimental", "Electronic", the cursed "New Age", and sometimes, believe it or not, "Soundtracks", but never with the Roxy Music material, nor in "Rock". Then when the work for U2 came along, he got put in the "Rock" section. I think it illuminates one of the reasons why the Established Music Industry still can't identify the smell of the tires that ran over them two years ago. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From: "Paolo Valladolid" > Reading these recent threads on avant-garde vs. accessible, gig critiquing, > etc. made me wonder if Amy Denio would have been able to draw a bigger > audience to her gigs in the Tampa Bay area if she was marketed as an > "alternative singer-songwriter" instead of as a "new/experimental musician". > I know several people who would have liked her music but are scared away > by the words "avant-garde", "experimental", etc. > > Paolo > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25503; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:32:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C080E5.CD5CC8D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E5.CD5CC8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" okay . . . so i guess it's times for politics now? i think that this brings up a good point about mapplethorpe; he sorta became the whipping boy of the nea for jesses helms, etc. the funny thing is how much money does the nea really give out? how does it compare to things like tobacco susbidies that people like jesse helms promoted? which actually hurt more people? which actually costs the taxpayers (you and me) more money on the back end (health costs going through the roof, etc.)? i'd say that gov't money for the arts is the least of our worries, a mere drop in the bucket. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E5.CD5CC8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NPR

okay  . . . so i guess it's times for politics = now?

i think that this brings up a good point about = mapplethorpe; he sorta became the whipping boy of the nea for jesses = helms, etc. the funny thing is how much money does the nea really give = out? how does it compare to things like tobacco susbidies that people = like jesse helms promoted? which actually hurt more people? which = actually costs the taxpayers (you and me) more money on the back end = (health costs going through the roof, etc.)? i'd say that gov't money = for the arts is the least of our worries, a mere drop in the bucket. =

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E5.CD5CC8D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25518; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> References: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:24:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Echoing your comments on that! Remember where Brian Eno's stuff was in the >"conventional" music stores until he helped U2 become somewhat listenable? >:) It was a range of "Experimental", "Electronic", the cursed "New Age", >and sometimes, believe it or not, "Soundtracks", but never with the Roxy >Music material, nor in "Rock". Then when the work for U2 came along, he got >put in the "Rock" section. I think it illuminates one of the reasons why >the Established Music Industry still can't identify the smell of the tires >that ran over them two years ago. Not sure if i agree. Yes, the Music Industry is reeling, but we all are. How would you 'classify' certain music now, in this age of genre-splitting? Go into a commercial record store now (ie: Best Buy, Virgin), and look in the Rock section and EVERYTHING is there, from Current 93 to Sabbath to the Beach Boys, or even Splattercell, i bet. It's all put under Rock because the classifications are blurring so fast. You can't really hire a bunch of minimum wagers and expect them to have that kind of informed knowledge base. Where would you put Michael Brook with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? What about Bally Sagoo with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? Ambient? World? Dance? uh....Rock? :) Also, Eno's pre-U2 work was more experimental and soundtrackish (at least from '77-'83ish IMO). Perhaps he slowed down a bit in his innovations musically (and spent more time producing and writing and speaking and such). ya seem pretty bitter about this whole NPR thang...perhaps i can send back some advice that you sent me last time i had a good bitch going on... >>> Do you have a belief process of some kind? Move out of your house, take an acoustic guitar, and hit the road for a while. >>> best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26081; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:39:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:39:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6E@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6E@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:30:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: NPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i'd say that gov't money for the arts is the least of our worries, a >mere drop in the bucket. > >stig steuart shoots and scores! i agree wholeheartedly...which is more than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there but i heard it was just... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 19:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26513; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:54:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:54:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:52:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C080E8.E44EA060" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E8.E44EA060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" steuart shoots and scores! i agree wholeheartedly...which is more than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there but i heard it was just... ** CRAP. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E8.E44EA060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: NPR

steuart shoots and scores!  i agree wholeheartedly...which is more
than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there
but i heard it was just...

** CRAP.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C080E8.E44EA060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 20:10:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27316; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:07:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200101180107.UAA08294@www.editeverything.com> X-Authentication-Warning: www.editeverything.com: swirly set sender to swirly@www.editeverything.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NPR Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gah, this is a silly non-loop related thread, but the NEA spends nearly all its money on things like marching bands and similar local stuff... nearly all of the money goes to "local arts organizations" which really is what it sounds like... a lot of community centers all over the country. Just $97 million a year, down from $160 million a few years ago. The Pentagon's black budget (the money they can spend without having to reveal what they are doing with it to Congress) is over 300 times as much... (and that's for 1995! they spend a lot more now...) ENOUGH! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 22:01:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30022; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:59:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010117211350.00cdad70@192.168.3.5> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:52:54 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rob Switzer Subject: Art and Government money. Was NPR. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the great hopes I had for emerging technology has largely been realized. Artists of all kinds have options now to create and show work that were available only under the auspices of large institutions only a short time ago. Even in traditionally expensive forms like dance and theater, innovators are finding ways to bring their work to life without the support of traditional institutions and other sources of 'funding'. When the only alternative to creating art in the marketplace of mass popular entertainment was government financing of art, then the case for this financing was much stronger. When the only alternative to mass commercial radio was NPR, the case for NPR was much stronger. Musicians and now film-makers have the option of creating work and distributing it directly using the internet and digital technology, as well as a growing network of interest communities and small, sympathetic venues world-wide. It's hard to speak critically of government involvement in the arts, because what you say is taken as being anti-art, rather than anti-government. Earlier in this thread, someone pointed out that mass taste will always suck. This is probably true. But sadly, in many cases, I think same could be said of government taste. At best, I think that government arts funding supports an entrenched status-quo. At worst, I think that the patron ( person/institution paying the tab) often sets the ideological and cultural agenda, either overtly or implicitly. This is probably not a good thing. Communities of artists/audience who alternately fill both roles and work on a scale that allows them to contribute to and support each other is a much better thing than either marketplace driven or state-supported art. Just my opinion. rob switzer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 22:25:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30497; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:23:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:23:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:21:54 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Art and Government money. Was NPR. In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010117211350.00cdad70@192.168.3.5> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ramble on a bit, but there's a point at the end bit. Spot my personal agenda and win a prize! On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Rob Switzer wrote: > At best, I think that government arts funding supports an entrenched > status-quo. At worst, I think that the patron ( person/institution paying > the tab) often sets the ideological and cultural agenda, either overtly or > implicitly. This is probably not a good thing. I remember back in the early 90s when NAFTA went through and the US government wanted a nice piece of art commerating the "never before achieved and landmark agreement" (never mind that the indigenous people had coast to coast trade routes). They got an Indian (feathers, not dots) who had done comissioned works for the white house many times before to make it. The format was decided to be a billboard. The thing was beautiful man, They had a preview showing and it had all sorts of neat US type stuff on one side of the border and all sorts of Aztec type motifs on the other side. THe government loved it and the coverings were resecured. At the unveiling the next day, everything went exactly as planned. I t was beautiful ceremony with many diplomats and hig-proifle officials delivering keynote speeches. Then the lifted the tarps again. This time there was a a large rift of barbed wire between the two halves of the symbolized billboard. Nice touch that. My point: Even government sponsored art can have a dramatic impact. (World War II anyone?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 22:57:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31084; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.221.56] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NPR, Government Grants, etc... Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:53:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 03:53:52.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[45E1FD90:01C08102] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy all, I think that NPR has become more watered down over the past 10 years, kind of pandering to the "Family Values" crowd. Maybe it has to do with all of the same people reporting/commenting becoming older and more family oriented. They haven't seemed to pick up much new blood over the years. I think that Odyssey just went into it's 25th year. But what else is there to listen to on the radio? Dr. Laura or Rush Limbaugh? Madonna or Britney? More oldies or classic rock? What other stations have featured Robert Fripp, Bob Moog, Charlie Haden or Bill Frissel? Not to mention local talent (if you live somewhere with a local NPR station). NPR is the only major thing happening outside of commercial radio. Sure there is community and college radio, but these are few and far between. I think that American Radio is in the saddest shape in it's history. I used to have a community radio show with my wife which was 2 hours every Sunday night. We specialized in 'Out' music whether it was Jazz (Sun Ra, Ayler, Coltrane, Cecil Taylor, etc), Electronic (Subotnick, Eno, Arcane Device, Teitelbaum, etc...), Improvisation (Zorn, Borbetomagus, AACM, etc...), Experimental Rock (Fred Frith, Fripp, ReR label, etc...) or Modern Composors (Cage, Xenakis, Berio, etc..). Our audience was small but dedicated. Without the generosity of the community our show wouldn't have existed. There is no way this kind of show could exist on commercial american radio. Yet I understand this kind of program isn't too uncommon in Europe... If there were more government support for cultural development like quality radio for instance, I think we as musicians would have more options in the variety of music that we choose to play and a more appreciative and learned audience. We would also stand a better chance at getting payed for being original. U.S. Radio today = Garbage in, Garbage out. This all kind of leads into Grants: The city of Berlin spends approximately 20 times the amount of money on the arts than the entire United States. Given that the various orchestras, opera companies and museums receive the lion's share of the funding they still have managed to pay a generous living to american artists as varied as jazz violinist Billy Bang and Avant/goth Diva Diamanda Galas (D.G. uses loops on her vocals). Try to make a living that way here. Fat chance. People who love creative music in the u.s. often bemoan the lack of new talent in more adventurous music here and end up listening to a lot of artists from England and Europe and elsewhere. I think that because our Government, which is culturally shackled by right-wing reactionaries, refuses to support the arts in more than a meansprited/stingy way and because of this has managed to stymie the intellectual and spiritual growth of our American culture. Whatever happened to the idea of Art for Arts sake! Maybe government patronage means a paternalistic attitude regarding training people to learn about the arts, but what happens if there is no guidance? The level of quality degenerates to the lowest common denominator (i.e. dumb kids). Most sales of music today are to easily impressionable youth for pap that has no artistic merit and is only created for purely commercial reasons. Music and Art in the USA has become a disposable consumer good with the longevity of used toilet paper. To make it as a musician here usually means that you must present yourself like a whore. Do what the customer/record company/producer/marketing department wants or be forever obscure and marginalized. Since popular music is totally driven by marketing, talent and skill have been replaced by attitude and hype. Anyway my point seems to echo an earlier post from someone else that was saying that the support of the arts has historically been from Governments. And I agree that it has had it's ups and downs, but at least there was something to show for it in the end whether you like it or not. No Art funding means less or no lasting tradition of Art. I also don't think that corporations have been or will be able to replace a free societies art support. Corporate Art is neutered by requirements of conforming to corporate cultures non-threating don't rock the boat mentality. If Disney and AOL/Time-Warner are your staples for culture then you will probably disagree. One last example of why Art Funding is needed: Does anyone remember EAR Magazine? This used to be my road map to new creative music of many different styles. They covered all of the artists I mentioned above plus many, many others. I found out about more music from one magazine than all of my music lessons and college education combined. This all died when they lost half of their grant money when New York killed it's arts funding. I'm sure that EAR was only a small part of all the arts that dried up when this happened. A lot of shows didn't happen. I see Art funding as the cost of educating a society in aesthetics, diversity and the pricelessness of free expression. Without the arts we are just mindless drones-slaves to endless corporate consumption. I step off the soapbox, Nick Wilson Why does our society value money over all other things or ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 23:07:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31662; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:05:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:05:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c08103$94a37840$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: NPR, Government Grants, etc... Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:03:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "space module" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: NPR, Government Grants, etc... > Why does our society value money over all other things or ideas? > We don't value money... we value the things we can do with it, like buying Fred Frith, John Cage and Sun Ra albums, old Theremins, and Oberheim Echoplexes. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 23:11:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31772; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:10:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c08104$1f05cce0$e70c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD6F@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: NPR Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:07:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C080C1.10118140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9x7EkD.A.PwH.twmZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C080C1.10118140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NPR ----- Original Message -----=20 >steuart shoots and scores! i agree wholeheartedly...which is more=20 >than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there=20 >but i heard it was just...=20 >** CRAP.=20 Oh come on you guys-- I went to see Steuart--I didn't feel he was featured--it's not that he = can't play--it's that I didn't think I got my money's worth. We have established that I'm not entitled to my money's worth. I almost certainly would have enjoyed something closer to jazz and less = . . . experimental. If it was inferred, let me swallow whatever ego I have left and say . . = . Steuart played up to his capabilities on Saturday. The incredibly generous art patron, Gary ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C080C1.10118140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NPR
 
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I went to see Steuart--I = didn't feel he was=20 featured--it's not that he can't play--it's that I didn't think I got my = money's=20 worth.
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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C080C1.10118140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 17 23:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00396; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c08105$cb83b580$8a936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200101162252.RAA05997@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A64D77F.A44E00D7@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: MIDI footpedal Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:34:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That, my dear chap, is called the Queen's English : ) > I don't know about the pedals (the teaser *does* sound intriguing), but > do you want to trust folks who can't even spell "catalog" ? > > Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 01:03:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02067; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:54:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.1311182.2797de0d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:50:05 EST Subject: Re: NPR, Government Grants, etc... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and guitar picks! James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 01:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02935; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:21:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:21:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:21:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A65CFF0.E6CBE0D0@voicenet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The VG-8 is a processor but in a very extreme way. It reshapes the sound of your actual guitar that is picked up by the GK pickup. Certain elements of the original sound (sustain, dynamics etc.) are retained but a new harmonic structure is imposed on it. You can use this to create a '58 Strat or new and unheard of sounds too. Since the GK pickup is actually 6 small pickups (one for each string) you can use the onboard pitch shift to adjust each string's tuning regardless of what the guitar is tuned to. This is after the modelling stage so it is tuning the processed sound not the guitar signal. The VG-8 is great at creating weird sounds from a banjo to a massive underwater cavern (kind of...) it has a huge sound palette if you explore it and can do things a regular guitar processor could never get close to, it's a real instrument, not just another box. afaik the sounds on vg8.com are just the VG-8 with no outboard processing. btw David Coffin is something of a VG guru, held in great esteem in VG-land and his patches are stellar, a great starting point for weird/loopy sounds. Martin Shellard > From: Legion > > I have one outstanding question that is confusing me though. People are > describing this as a Modeling system and not a guitar synth. Does the VG8 > "overwrite" the sound of your existing guitar or does is sort of process it? > In > other words I understand you can make it have alternate tunings but are these > tunings of your actual guitar or of what the VG8 is modeling? > > I honestly don't have much need for more "guitar" sounds but the idea of > making > my guitar play "weird" sounds and "track" properly is very intriguing. Can you > program the VG8 to play strange sounds that are unguitarlike? I listened to > some > of the WAV files on vg8.com and it certainly seems like it but I'm not sure > what's the VG and what's the effects and or original guitar sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 01:30:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02937; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:21:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Guitar system? From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010117093844.01a512c0@mail.well.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The synthetic sounds in the VG-8 can be sensitive to string noise which does make the kind of sound you mention, this is still apparent on my '88 but I rarely use these types of sounds. I think there are a couple more synth types in the '88 but it's still very basic compared with a synth, possibly deliberately to separate the two products. I certainly wouldn't buy one for the synth sounds alone, I think of these sounds as added bonuses. Martin Shellard > From: dan mcmullen > i would have kept it except for one thing: when > trying to play long, sustained notes in isolation using the synthetic > models, i got quiet but noticable "glitches" in the sustained sound: little > bursts of odd noise. this was confirmed by the very knowledgable sales > guy, so i don't think it was operator error. > anyone else experienced this? > haven't tried the vg-88 yet to see if this has been fixed in it. are there > more synthetic models in the 88 than the 8? > ___ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 03:50:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06297; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c0812b$4a992060$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:47:24 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6W8CqD.A.GiB.f2qZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "rich" > Not sure if i agree. Yes, the Music Industry is reeling, but we all > are. How would you 'classify' certain music now, in this age of > genre-splitting? Go into a commercial record store now (ie: Best > Buy, Virgin), and look in the Rock section and EVERYTHING is there, > from Current 93 to Sabbath to the Beach Boys, or even Splattercell, i > bet. It's all put under Rock because the classifications are > blurring so fast. You can't really hire a bunch of minimum wagers > and expect them to have that kind of informed knowledge base. Where > would you put Michael Brook with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? What about > Bally Sagoo with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? Ambient? World? Dance? > uh....Rock? :) What's happened is that the established music biz still doesn't fathom the importance of what happened when we all got online and published our own work. If they had - if they were SMART - it'd be a situation where they'd be leveraging their abilities to distribute and promote in an attempt to get us to crawl across the carpet to some cigar-chomper like in the old days. Well, we don't have to do any of that stuff anymore, kids. And while we're out HERE doing our own things and promoting ourselves -albeit with much labor - and having creative control over our own work, the cigar-chompers' most advanced stance is to bitch and moan about Napster. If they even know WHAT Napster IS. Thus they haven't even identified the smell of the tires that ran them over years ago. > ya seem pretty bitter about this whole NPR thang...perhaps i can send > back some advice that you sent me last time i had a good bitch going > on... > > Do you have a belief process of some kind? Move out of your house, take an > acoustic guitar, and hit the road for a while. > >>> Still haven't left that one behind, eh? Well, I've left the USA, and I already have an acoustic guitar. Want a different dynamic? Try living in the UK and competing with the droves - I mean masses - of folks who want to be musicians. Thankfully a lot of them are bogged down in Music School learning what a chord is or something - [snicker] Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 04:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07610; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:56:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.72] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:54:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 09:54:24.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[A377E500:01C08134] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got it! We make the tobacco industry fund the arts! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 07:46:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10635; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <14.e82f689.27983ef9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:43:37 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com robert_eberwein@hotmail.com writes: >We make the tobacco industry fund the arts! but, uhhh..... the arts *already* funds the tobacco industry, no? *-) dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 12:00:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15893; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:57:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:57:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A66B2BC.36B4@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:09:16 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" References: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> <005901c0812b$4a992060$0301a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > What's happened is that the established music biz still doesn't fathom the > importance of what happened when we all got online and published our own > work. If they had - if they were SMART - it'd be a situation where they'd > be leveraging their abilities to distribute and promote in an attempt to get > us to crawl across the carpet to some cigar-chomper like in the old days. All five majors have sued and successfully settled with mp3.com for huge sums of money in the my.mp3.com streaming issue. So, a site based on the foundation of unsigned, independent music distribution was financially reamed by all five big guys. Sounds rather like leveraging the abilities of promotion and distribution, in fact. Not bad for a bunch of out of touch, mega-conglomerate roadkill. > And while we're > out HERE doing our own things and promoting ourselves -albeit with much > labor - and having creative control over our own work, the cigar-chompers' > most advanced stance is to bitch and moan about Napster. If they even know > WHAT Napster IS. I think they at least know that Napster is a company which is merging with, and accepting capital from, one of the five major labels. Not unlike the manner in which AOL recently merged with Time/Warner. > Want a different dynamic? Try living in > the UK and competing with the droves - I mean masses - of folks who want to > be musicians. Sounds rather like your prior abode of Los Angeles, no? > Thankfully a lot of them are bogged down in Music School > learning what a chord is or something - [snicker] Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits their own personal beliefs and goals. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 12:21:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16718; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:19:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:19:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.ee62603.27987ee4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:16:20 EST Subject: OT: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA16673 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com between spgoodman, andrélafosse et moi: >> And while we're >> out HERE doing our own things and promoting ourselves -albeit with much >> labor - and having creative control over our own work, the cigar-chompers' >> most advanced stance is to bitch and moan about Napster. If they even >know >> WHAT Napster IS. see a.l.f.'s statement, below. also, re: stereotyping: me, i *like* to chomp a good cigar once-in-a-great-while, myself..... >I think they at least know that Napster is a company which is merging >with, and accepting capital from, one of the five major labels. Not >unlike the manner in which AOL recently merged with Time/Warner. >> Thankfully a lot of them are bogged down in Music School >> learning what a chord is or something - [snicker] >Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or >offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other >people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits >their own personal beliefs and goals. very well said, mssr. best, dt / S-C 2 nearly new CD's: (@ artist-shop,amazon,tower,cdnow,bn,virgin,tower,etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:06:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17722; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:54:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD73@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: NPR Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08177.514E6F40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08177.514E6F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" gary . . . it was a joke. in my mind, you weren't the butt of it . . . . it was about the whole tempest in a teapot. i think we were trying to have a little bit of a sense of humor about the whole thing - - a valuable commodity for such instances i would say. stig >steuart shoots and scores! i agree wholeheartedly...which is more >than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there >but i heard it was just... >** CRAP. Oh come on you guys-- I went to see Steuart--I didn't feel he was featured--it's not that he can't play--it's that I didn't think I got my money's worth. We have established that I'm not entitled to my money's worth. I almost certainly would have enjoyed something closer to jazz and less . . . experimental. If it was inferred, let me swallow whatever ego I have left and say . . . Steuart played up to his capabilities on Saturday. The incredibly generous art patron, Gary ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08177.514E6F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: NPR
gary . . . it was a joke. in my mind, you weren't the butt of it . . . . it was about the whole tempest in a teapot. i think we were trying to have a little bit of a sense of humor about the whole thing - - a valuable commodity for such instances i would say.
 
stig
 
>steuart shoots and scores!  i agree wholeheartedly...which is more
>than i can say for that last performance of yours...i wasn't there
>but i heard it was just...
 
>** CRAP.
 
Oh come on you guys--
 
I went to see Steuart--I didn't feel he was featured--it's not that he can't play--it's that I didn't think I got my money's worth.
We have established that I'm not entitled to my money's worth.
I almost certainly would have enjoyed something closer to jazz and less . . . experimental.
If it was inferred, let me swallow whatever ego I have left and say . . .
Steuart played up to his capabilities on Saturday.
The incredibly generous art patron, Gary
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C08177.514E6F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:06:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18522; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c08179$01575360$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Cc: References: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> <005901c0812b$4a992060$0301a8c0@stephen> <3A66B2BC.36B4@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:03:42 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to have offended, but for the past 4 years I was doing support/etc. for the last remains of Motown/MCA/Jobete. They were aware enough to be worried, and understanding Internet concepts sufficiently to use buzzwords in meetings, and that's about it. Otherwise they kept on doing their jobs as A&R, Studio managers, VPs, CFO etc. Pretty much a bunch of dinosaurs with the exception of distribution and mass production, which are the main things still keeping them going. > All five majors have sued and successfully settled with mp3.com for huge > sums of money in the my.mp3.com streaming issue. So, a site based on > the foundation of unsigned, independent music distribution was > financially reamed by all five big guys. And then MCA/Universal was sued for the same thing once the dust had appeared to settle. It ain't over yet. > Sounds rather like leveraging the abilities of promotion and > distribution, in fact. Not bad for a bunch of out of touch, > mega-conglomerate roadkill. No, more like lawyerism at work, finding new niches for litigation and fee-taking. > I think they at least know that Napster is a company which is merging > with, and accepting capital from, one of the five major labels. Not > unlike the manner in which AOL recently merged with Time/Warner. Like Napster didn't know what was going to happen. They flaunted the aspect of copyright infringement and called it "sharing" enough that they invited litigation against them - if publicly - and then made a huge frigging deal with the people they were pretending to rip off. Kind of like Apple with their pretense of the Mac being a counter-culture machine, which some folks are still succumbing to. > > Want a different dynamic? Try living in > > the UK and competing with the droves - I mean masses - of folks who want to > > be musicians. > > Sounds rather like your prior abode of Los Angeles, no? It's very different here. In the UK the music biz is just as much of an escape from poverty and redundancy (being laid off) as it is a road to fame and fortune. In the US it's not the same at all. > > Thankfully a lot of them are bogged down in Music School > > learning what a chord is or something - [snicker] > > Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or > offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other > people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits > their own personal beliefs and goals. My intended meaning was that at least I have the advantage of having a lot of my musical education (not of course horizon-broadening though) behind me. This is as opposed to the aspect of having a formal education in front of me, to say nothing of no other alternative for work. I don't find formal musical education absurd nor offensive, and have never said so. I was just saying that in the UK there's a pre-defined path that more dictates that one learn from a perochial process than just "pick up the guitar and play," as evidenced by the overwhelming numbers of British musicians who met at Art or Music School. Again, sorry to offend, but it's not at all what was meant OR said. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:10:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18715; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:09:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:09:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:07:10 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Andre LaFosse cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" In-Reply-To: <3A66B2BC.36B4@altruistmusic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or > offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other > people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits > their own personal beliefs and goals. But is it? Ask yourself if learning how to create from a textbook and "professionals" is really all that creative? Just a thought. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18937; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c0817a$237f1c60$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD73@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: NPR/etc. and a Call for Relief Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:11:51 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0817A.21AAAA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0817A.21AAAA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NPRI suspect we're all having a case nerves here, as evidenced by = the >100 items having shot into my Looper's Delight folder over the past = 2.5 days or so. How's this then? Given the perspective (that word again) that some of = us have via age, consider that over the past 25-30 years we've seen an = increasing amount of use of looping as structure for popular music. = Back in the late 60s for instance it wasn't uncommon for the Big Band = agers to be on a talk show commenting negatively about the supposed = "lack of substance in popular music today". I particularly remember = George Burns on a Merv Griffin show once stabbing with a "Most songs = today, they end with repeats, like 'Baby I love ya 'Baby I love ya 'Baby = I love ya 'Baby I love ya ...' - What kind of song is THAT?" Nowadays it's mostly uncommon for any song NOT to have looping of some = kind in it as a major substrate. Obviously this didn't start with = Fripp/Eno, nor for that matter John Cage - but I'm sure this topic would = provide a lot less sniping in discussion. Anyone? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0817A.21AAAA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: NPR
I suspect we're all having a case nerves = here, as=20 evidenced by the >100 items having shot into my Looper's Delight = folder over=20 the past 2.5 days or so.
 
How's this then?  Given the perspective = (that word=20 again) that some of us have via age, consider that over the past 25-30 = years=20 we've seen an increasing amount of use of looping as structure for = popular=20 music.  Back in the late 60s for instance it wasn't uncommon for = the Big=20 Band agers to be on a talk show commenting negatively about the supposed = "lack=20 of substance in popular music today".  I particularly remember = George Burns=20 on a Merv Griffin show once stabbing with a "Most songs today, they end = with=20 repeats, like 'Baby I love ya 'Baby I love ya 'Baby I love ya 'Baby I = love ya=20 ...' - What kind of song is THAT?"
 
Nowadays it's mostly uncommon for any song = NOT to have=20 looping of some kind in it as a major substrate.  Obviously this = didn't=20 start with Fripp/Eno, nor for that matter John Cage - but I'm sure this = topic=20 would provide a lot less sniping in discussion.  = Anyone?
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even=20 more MP3s!
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0817A.21AAAA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19005; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:17:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:15:38 +0000 Subject: EDP's and Jamman for Sale! From: Graham Pattison To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Atd5D.A.YoE.bKzZ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any UK based Loopers require these highly sought after units? Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop 3 v5.0 and full memory complement, manuals and original Oberheim footswitch. Lexicon Jamman has 32 Secs of Memory, manual and two Lexicon footswitches. I'm not being elitist just want to move the units quickly and ideally London based sales would be preferred. Open to sensible offers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 13:43:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19522; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:42:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c0817e$15919a20$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:40:07 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or > > offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other > > people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits > > their own personal beliefs and goals. > > But is it? Ask yourself if learning how to create from a textbook and > "professionals" is really all that creative? > > Just a thought. > -- > travis salisbury Note my response elsewhere to that reaction on the LD list. Never said it was offensive or absurd. I didn't learn from a textbook nor have a big perochial training - at times to my regret, as I think I'd have had quite a career as a conductor. Despite being assessed as having a natural ability with music and being able to play by ear, the most I ever got in terms of training was a sporadic series of home piano lessons, probably more for the purposes of an attempt to teach discipline and obedience than anything else. Personally I'd have preferred to be able to communicate to other musicians exactly what I want, by speaking the Standard Language; but because it wasn't a respectable profession, and typically up-to-the-brim with tales of poverty - enough to scare the hell out of most 50s parents - I repeatedly found functional discouragement at home regarding a pursuit of art. For these reasons I found myself going back to all of that, and finally taking after the muse, albeit in my late 30s. Having been subjected to the jibes and criticisms of people who've learned guitar from a book, I tended to have trouble at first when I decided to get on with this past the level of "playing at home and with friends". I still can't get people to play with me who have to know which key something's in before starting, or have trouble deciphering my guitar fingering, but I have no difficulty playing with people who can do it by ear. Similarly if someone said "play it in D" (I use A or E as a base) I'd have some trouble - at the moment. But to each his or her own. I have to continue onward, no matter what anyone thinks... but I NEVER said I didn't have respect for perochially-trained musicians. I'm sorry if anyone thought I said so, but I didn't. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 14:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20679; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:10:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:10:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD74@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08181.87043CA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08181.87043CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Otherwise they kept on doing their jobs as A&R, Studio managers, VPs, CFO etc. Pretty much a bunch of dinosaurs with the exception of distribution and mass production, which are the main things still keeping them going. No, more like lawyerism at work, finding new niches for litigation and fee-taking. Like Napster didn't know what was going to happen. They flaunted the aspect of copyright infringement and called it "sharing" enough that they invited litigation against them - if publicly - and then made a huge frigging deal with the people they were pretending to rip off. ** in my opinion, the whole thing that this points to is that these guys will almost always be at the top of that dung hill as they have the money, resources and commitment to take control. that's all they've really done. if you've ever been involved with trying to get a "major label" record deal, you may have some experience with these people. (the bands come and go, but the record co. people and "music" lawyers seem to survive - - and flourish.) it would not surprise me to have these people basically calling the shots in whatever comes along - - well at least when there's REAL money to be made. to me, artists are about producing what they do, a very solitary or small-group activity and one that is not (only) done for the dough. most musicians do not take responsibility for the economic, manufacturing or distribution aspects of their art as that is not their inclination oe within their skill set. because of this they are most often beholden to the people who are so inclined or skilled in that way. i think that this perfectly elides with the government patronage issue. if you look at the history of music, musicians have always been at the whim of patrons, whether the patron is the church, the "nobility," a mercantile class, press, government, "well-heeled true believers in art" or the "marketplace." each has had its advantages and its pitfalls. it all comes down to the "golden rule" - - you take their gold, you gotta play by their rules. by this i mean: if you're been paid to be a dance band, they damn well better be dancing; if you write a mass, the church better dig it; if you write some orchestral suites for a duke, he better like 'em; if you write a symphony for the london music society, they better like it; if you're trying to be the next brittany spears, the kids better like it (or at least a majority of your intended "audience" in any of these cases) . . . there are some who can subvert the rules to their advantage, but i feel that they are few and far between. furthering this thought, i suppose you could say that some of my "patrons" from the other night had their rules followed, whereas some did not. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08181.87043CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything"

 Otherwise they kept on doing their jobs
as A&R, Studio managers, VPs, CFO etc.  = Pretty much a bunch of dinosaurs
with the exception of distribution and mass = production, which are the main
things still keeping them going.


No, more like lawyerism at work, finding new niches = for litigation and
fee-taking.

Like Napster didn't know what was going to = happen.  They flaunted the aspect
of copyright infringement and called it = "sharing" enough that they invited
litigation against them - if publicly - and then = made a huge frigging deal
with the people they were pretending to rip = off. 


** in my opinion,  the whole thing that this = points to is that these guys will almost always be at the top of that = dung hill as they have the money, resources and commitment to take = control. that's all they've really done. if you've ever been involved = with trying to get a "major label" record deal, you may have = some experience with these people. (the bands come and go, but the = record co. people and "music" lawyers seem to survive - - and = flourish.) it would not surprise me to have these people basically = calling the shots in whatever comes along - - well at least when = there's REAL money to be made.

to me, artists are about producing what they do, a = very solitary or small-group activity and one that is not (only) done = for the dough. most musicians do not take responsibility for the = economic, manufacturing or distribution aspects of their art as that is = not their inclination oe within their skill set. because of this they = are most often beholden to the people who are so inclined or skilled in = that way.

i think that this perfectly elides with the = government patronage issue. if you look at the history of music, = musicians have always been at the whim of patrons, whether the patron = is the church, the "nobility," a mercantile class, press, = government, "well-heeled true believers in art" or the = "marketplace." each has had its advantages and its pitfalls. = it all comes down to the "golden rule" - - you take their = gold, you gotta play by their rules. by this i mean: if you're been = paid to be a dance band, they damn well better be dancing; if you write = a mass,  the church better dig it; if you write some orchestral = suites for a duke, he better like 'em; if you write a symphony for the = london music society, they better like it;  if you're trying to be = the next brittany spears, the kids better like it (or at least a = majority of your intended "audience" in any of these = cases)  . . . there are some who can subvert the rules to their = advantage, but i feel that they are few and far between.

furthering this thought, i suppose you could say that = some of my "patrons" from the other night had their rules = followed, whereas some did not.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08181.87043CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 14:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20855; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:13:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:13:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater... In-Reply-To: <024501c08040$cbdb8f00$ceaa5cd1@-> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Bill Fox wrote: > >Tell him that you want in on the Repeater group purchase from the Looper's > >Delight mailing list. What is Alto's price for the group buy? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 14:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21157; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:22:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: repeater... Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com call and ask... pricing isn't discussed on the list because it's a special order... thanks, kevin > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Bill Fox wrote: > > > >Tell him that you want in on the Repeater group purchase from > the Looper's > > >Delight mailing list. > > What is Alto's price for the group buy? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 14:28:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21342; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:27:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:27:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:26:04 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" In-Reply-To: <005501c0817e$15919a20$0301a8c0@stephen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2OxudC.A.vMF.IN0Z6@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Note my response elsewhere to that reaction on the LD list. Never said it > was offensive or absurd. I didn't learn from a textbook nor have a big > perochial training - at times to my regret, as I think I'd have had quite a > trouble deciphering my guitar fingering, but I have no difficulty playing > with people who can do it by ear. Similarly if someone said "play it in D" > (I use A or E as a base) I'd have some trouble - at the moment. But to each > his or her own. I have to continue onward, no matter what anyone thinks... > but I NEVER said I didn't have respect for perochially-trained musicians. > I'm sorry if anyone thought I said so, but I didn't. I didn't say I didn't have respect for it either, my point being that musical training or artistic training isn't as creative as say somebody who creates completely from what they hear instead of the logical "trained" process. It's just something I've been contemplating lately, like Yoda said "You must unlearn what you have learned"...I do want to make it clear that any form of music is great, trained or untrained, but on a personal level, I want to appoach the musical creation process in a fresh and almost naive way. just some thoughts. ;-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 14:52:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21815; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:50:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:50:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:49:07 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Cc: Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA21747 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I didn't say I didn't have respect for it either, my point being that musical training or artistic training isn't as creative as say somebody who creates completely from what they hear instead of the logical "trained" process. It's just something I've been contemplating lately, like Yoda said "You must unlearn what you have learned"...I do want to make it clear that any form of music is great, trained or untrained, but on a personal level, I want to appoach the musical creation process in a fresh and almost naive way. travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com Hi Travis... I find I'm probably pretty much like you in many respects regarding wanting to have a naive and fresh approach. What I've found interesting though is that a school environment would have provided at least facilities and equipment with which to pursure some of my musings. Add TIME to that as well and you've got a MAJOR opportunity. Networking with others motivated enough to dedicate themselves to focusing on music is an incredible springboard for ongoing relationships in the music community at large. I believe my sensibilities wouldn't have become too prejudiced in that environment. Knowing that people like William Winant, Fred Frith, and Leo Wadada Smith are all professors in major schools; you've got mentors available who are at the cutting edge of creativity AND invite fresh, new thoughts. Now that I'm an engineer / father / husband / home owner in my late 40's I find it nearly impossible finding the time and energy to build a creative endeavor at the level it needs to find it's way into the world (although I'm confident that I'll slowly continue to build my body of work and document it as well as perform). Ah to be young again! Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 15:31:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23594; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:29:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c0818d$300241c0$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:28:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hoi! > I find I'm probably pretty much like you in many respects regarding wanting to have a naive and fresh approach. > > What I've found interesting though is that a school environment would have provided at least facilities and equipment with which to pursure some of my musings. Add TIME to that as well and you've got a MAJOR opportunity. Networking with others motivated enough to dedicate themselves to focusing on music is an incredible springboard for ongoing relationships in the music community at large. > > I believe my sensibilities wouldn't have become too prejudiced in that environment. Knowing that people like William Winant, Fred Frith, and Leo Wadada Smith are all professors in major schools; you've got mentors available who are at the cutting edge of creativity AND invite fresh, new thoughts. > > Now that I'm an engineer / father / husband / home owner in my late 40's I find it nearly impossible finding the time and energy to build a creative endeavor at the level it needs to find it's way into the world (although I'm confident that I'll slowly continue to build my body of work and document it as well as perform). Ah to be young again! Thanks for your support! As someone who married a girl who's 47 now, well, we're not going to have children. My projects are my children, and I'm an uncle to 5 already. Uncle Steve [rolling eyes] I'm not even sure sometimes that I'm supposed to be married, but then I'm not 6 months into THIS. Actually, I find strengths often in NOT knowing what I "CAN'T" do. I too would have benefitted greatly from someone to take me aside and give me a path this way. However I find that my lot has always been to have to figure it out for myself. For instance, my music teachers are chequered and far between: Age 6: Judged to have an 'ear', took piano along with 1st grade class. Two months later, family moves to NJ. Age 8: Miss Fyma, age 70, teaches me and my brother for 3 months then runs off with travel agent. Age 11: Another old one, passes away 2 months into the teaching. Age 14: Still another elderly teacher, disappears after only a month, never to return. Age 16: I stopped this one. The guy had those big, bulging eyes, quite uh, well, he LIKED me... Get it? That lasted only 3 weeks. His shades were always drawn, and I couldn't stand the way he looked at me. Age 21: This guy was an arranger for Barry Manilow, and brought music that was created by Mozart for teaching children how to play. Three months into it, he and his companion get invited to go on tour with Barry Manilow. End of that. Similarly, noone has ever been able to complete even a remote tarot reading for me. It would seem that some things are supposed to be a certain way sometimes...! Well, tomorrow I take the train up north to a firm that consults out graphics/illustration people (see http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html) - wish me luck, as nothing else has happened despite 20 years in the PC biz... Perhaps this is the final jump into the Creative Life, eh? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 16:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25271; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:19:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:19:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:54:17 +0530 Subject: a boss looper! From: Joel Rodrigues To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh mi gosh ! The Boss RC-20 Loop Station. http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm Cheers, Joel ps. Yeah, I know you think I've never stuck my nose in here before, but I 'ave... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 16:24:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25447; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:23:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:23:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08152.5D592AC0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:27:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5-zz6C.A.3MG.b51Z6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:40 AM, Stephen P. Goodman [SMTP:spgoodman@earthlight.net] wrote: > > > Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd or > > > offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other > > > people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits > > > their own personal beliefs and goals. > > > > But is it? Ask yourself if learning how to create from a textbook and > > "professionals" is really all that creative? > > How you learn doesn't matter; you're doing it right now, on this list. If someone was to go through all the Looper's archives, edit the best posts and publish it in textbook from, with annotations, insightful comment, and excercises for the reader, would you use it? I think so. However, most formal education comes in a form, from a source and at a time that are highly inappropriate for learning and development. The books are, for the most part, depressingly dry, my experience of school teachers has lead me to believe they are on the whole, rather dull, disfunctional and/or outright malicous, and adolescence and ones early twenties are a time of life much more apropriate for sex than studying. In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice. Having teachers, and books on the subject, if either are any good, will make this easier, not harder. You just haven't found the right books, or teachers. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 16:47:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26074; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A67648C.9D7052C4@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:48:17 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" References: <01C08152.5D592AC0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Jonathan@full-moon.com" wrote: > On Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:40 AM, Stephen P. Goodman > [SMTP:spgoodman@earthlight.net] wrote: > > > > Well, I'm sorry you find the idea of formal musical education absurd > or > > > > offensive. I hope you can someday find it in yourself to grant other > > > > people the indulgence of pursuing the creative path that most suits > > > > their own personal beliefs and goals. > > > > > > But is it? Ask yourself if learning how to create from a textbook and > > > "professionals" is really all that creative? > > > > > How you learn doesn't matter; you're doing it right now, on this list. > > If someone was to go through all the Looper's archives, edit the best posts > and publish it in textbook from, with annotations, insightful comment, and > excercises for the reader, would you use it? I think so. > > However, most formal education comes in a form, from a source and at a time > that are highly inappropriate for learning and development. The books are, > for the most part, depressingly dry, my experience of school teachers has > lead me to believe they are on the whole, rather dull, disfunctional and/or > outright malicous, and adolescence and ones early twenties are a time of > life much more apropriate for sex than studying. > > In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice. Having teachers, > and books on the subject, if either are any good, will make this easier, > not harder. You just haven't found the right books, or teachers. > > bIz i agrre with that last bit. good teachers are very few and far between, but they do exist, not especially where you think you'll find them (or where they're supposed to be). i remember one of the shakti albums (i think) is dedicated by john m. to "my teachers". this always reminded me of the handful of people in my life who have seen something worthwhile in me and inspired me to push myself toward something i could not imagine. every time i sit down to create something, i try (but often fail) to keep these bright lights in the forefront of my mind. not for "what would they think?" or "how would they do it?", but more for their unequivocal support... as time goes on these characters become more and more the internal manifestations of the muse, and with the appropirate attitude i believe can become a great well of creative energy... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 17:20:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27322; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:18:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:18:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jmash789@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:15:32 EST Subject: ignore Radiowaves To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c7.5ea0526.2798c504_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c7.5ea0526.2798c504_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well who needs NPR anyway...in the age on information that is the internet and such.....I mean with the government/corporate crackdown on Low Power Stations and everything, radio might as well just become outdated as a mode of communication....it's about time.....I mean all that's on the airwaves is corporate filler anyway....who needs NPR as a last salvation when one can listen to whatever informative station or news source you want over the internet....who needs radio at all? cars....no. Soon you'll all have internet connections in your cars...downloading mp3's from napster while cruising down the highway..... The only valid forms of musical expression i've experienced through radiowaves are the occasional diverse college stations sprayed across the land....and even these are nearly all accessible via the internet.....This coming from someone who listens to WREK in Atlanta everyday (and I actually hear something new everyday)..... former college dj, Jamie --part1_c7.5ea0526.2798c504_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well who needs NPR anyway...in the age on information that is the internet
and such.....I mean with the government/corporate crackdown on Low Power
Stations and everything, radio might as well just become outdated as a mode
of communication....it's about time.....I mean all that's on the airwaves is
corporate filler anyway....who needs NPR as a last salvation when one can
listen to whatever informative station or news source you want over the
internet....who needs radio at all? cars....no. Soon you'll all have internet
connections in your cars...downloading mp3's from napster while cruising down
the highway.....

The only valid forms of musical expression i've experienced through
radiowaves are the occasional diverse college stations sprayed across the
land....and even these are nearly all accessible via the internet.....This
coming from someone who listens to WREK in Atlanta everyday (and I actually
hear something new everyday).....

former college dj,
Jamie --part1_c7.5ea0526.2798c504_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 17:31:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27681; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A676FFA.ACFF0522@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:37:12 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ignore Radiowaves References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com  

Jmash789@cs.com wrote:

....who needs NPR as a last salvation when one can
listen to whatever informative station or news source you want over the
internet....who needs radio at all? cars....no. Soon you'll all have internet
connections in your cars...downloading mp3's from napster while cruising down
the highway.....
 
and i thought cell phones were dangerous.

:-)

lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 18:59:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29675; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:47:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:47:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" In-Reply-To: <01C08152.5D592AC0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Jonathan@full-moon.com wrote: > > In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice. > Having teachers, > and books on the subject, if either are any good, will make this easier, > not harder. You just haven't found the right books, or teachers. Creativity can never be taught or learned, it's a gift, it's natural....you can learn and be taught techniques and institutions but never on "how" to be creative. But I was refering to the way you approach your instrument and creative process.....I use a guitar as my main instrument, but I stopped playing guitar a long time ago, get what I'm talking about? I regret ever learning what a power chord is, that has cursed me because it's so easy to fall into the trap of traditional instrumentation and technique. Nobody is "wrong" on this, we all have our own ways of playing music. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 19:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29733; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:49:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:49:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:48:53 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a boss looper! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Oh mi gosh ! > > The Boss RC-20 Loop Station. > > http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > > Cheers, > Joel I'll take two! I hope they price it to compete with the DL-4 -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 19:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30921; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c081ae$98d71920$9dad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: , "J. W. Saybolt" Subject: Re: If you are so inclined- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:27:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, I see the message you forwarded about 24 times per year. I'm sorry to say that you have fallen prey to a very old internet hoax. Hoax Busters is a good site to search if you get a suspicious message that has a ring of truth to it. http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ I did a search there and found an early version of the hoax that caught you: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/HBUrbanMyths.shtml#pbsnpr Hoax Busters may be a good site to bookmark on your web browser. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Saybolt To: J. W. Saybolt Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: If you are so inclined- Apologies if you've already seen this... On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of the National Public Radio (NPR), NEA & the Public Broadcasting System(PBS). PBS, NPR and the arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President of the United States.This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 19:59:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31570; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:57:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:57:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08170.5804BE40.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:01:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:46 PM, spaceloop [SMTP:tao@ns.ahoc.net] wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Jonathan@full-moon.com wrote: > > > > > In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice. > > Having teachers, > > and books on the subject, if either are any good, will make this easier, > > not harder. You just haven't found the right books, or teachers. > > Creativity can never be taught or learned, it's a gift, it's > natural....you can learn and be taught techniques and institutions but > never on "how" to be creative. I disagree. It can certainly be untaught. However, it is taught rarely, and rarely well. Creativity is a lot of things, never the same from one project to another, and never the same from one moment to the next of a project. But that's beside the point. You don't necessarily go to teachers to learn how to be 'creative' - you go to them to learn how to use the tools of your creativity; music involves as much engineering as pretty much any human endeavour; the adherence to self-imposed structures and limits, project and resource managment (in musical form). You could be making these decisions on the fly or sequencing it; it makes no difference. Since you are generally recombining objects and concept that you have already explored, you must be doing some things you have done before, and, almost all the time, things someone else has done before. Why not get them to show you, and save time and bother for other things? Are you saying that a couple of hours hanging out with Robert Rich/David Torn/Stravinski/insert-your-favourite-musician-here wouldn't at least make you a better a better musician? I wager if you asked them for their tricks, they could probably give you some tricks they use to be more 'creative'. Whatever that is to you. > But I was refering to the way you approach your instrument and creative > process.....I use a guitar as my main instrument, but I stopped playing > guitar a long time ago, get what I'm talking about? I regret ever learning > what a power chord is, that has cursed me because it's so easy to fall > into the trap of traditional instrumentation and technique. You are making excuses for bad habits. Rather, habits that you feel aren't conducive to what you are trying to accomplish. If you've tried to get round this on your own, and haven't then perhaps you should talk to someone else, who has. Hell, even if they haven't actually dealt with the specific issues that you are experiencing, they might still be able to suggest things which help you overcome it; it's called teaching. > > Nobody is "wrong" on this, we all have our own ways of playing music. I heartily disagree; opinions are what one forms when you don't have sufficient information to answer a question. The only real questions that don't have a right or wrong answer are illogical either by intent, such as Zen Koans, or because the question doesn't take into account the complete nature of the fact in question I'm not pro-school; the sad matter of the fact is that schools are routed in reality, and liable to the same problems that any human institution has. I haven't had many good experiences with the classes I have taken or with private teachers I have had. Common sense dictates that anyone who was any good at what they do would be out, doing it, and not teaching me. Furthermore, the few teachers that I have learnt from who >were< accomplished musicians weren't necessarily good teachers, and rarely have the time to devote to their students that I have needed (Besides, accomplished at what? How many people are doing exactly what I want to do? Only one :> ) Add to this my own lack of patience/insight and stupidity/laziness, the gaps in my knowledge, the problems innate in discussing a non-verbal, non-linguistic commication medium, and the limited time I have to devote to my evolving my skills as an artist, and you have minimal results. You might want to check out 'Free Play, the power of improvisation in Life and the Arts' by Stephen Nachmanovitch. It deals with 'creativity' and doesn't do too bad a job. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 20:24:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00420; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c0824c$b46ad700$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: Subject: Re: a boss looper! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:19:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know the release date of the RC-20, PLEASE! > Oh mi gosh ! > > The Boss RC-20 Loop Station. > > http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > > Cheers, > Joel > > ps. Yeah, I know you think I've never stuck my nose in here before, but I > 'ave... > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 21:07:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01685; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:04:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:04:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:03:39 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) In-Reply-To: <01C08170.5804BE40.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Jonathan@full-moon.com wrote: > > Creativity can never be taught or learned, it's a gift, it's > > natural....you can learn and be taught techniques and institutions but > > never on "how" to be creative. > > I disagree. It can certainly be untaught. However, it is taught rarely, and > rarely well. Creativity is a lot of things, never the same from one project > to another, and never the same from one moment to the next of a project. Creativity is the ability to create, nothing more nothing less. This ability can not be taught. It can be refined and focused but never taught. > But that's beside the point. You don't necessarily go to teachers to learn > how to be 'creative' Then what are you arguing?? > Since you are generally recombining objects and concept that you have > already explored, you must be doing some things you have done before, and, > almost all the time, things someone else has done before. This isn't creativity, this is retention. > You are making excuses for bad habits. What bad habits? I was making a simple point that I want to approach music with fresh eyes, not tainted by fundamental musical ideas and approaches. > Rather, habits that you feel aren't conducive to what you are trying to > accomplish. If you've tried to get round this on your own, and haven't then > perhaps you should talk to someone else, who has. Hell, even if they > haven't actually dealt with the specific issues that you are experiencing, > they might still be able to suggest things which help you overcome it; it's > called teaching. People I know who have music degrees or are going to music school aren't all that creative, they can play their respective instruments with much skill and mastery but they ultimately rely on fundamental approaches and sort of "mimic" their teachers. I want to escape that kind of approach to music, I want to approach it as a spiritual tool and completely rely on the tone that is coming out of the speakers instead of the rules of music. > I heartily disagree; opinions are what one forms when you don't have > sufficient information to answer a question. So there is a "right" way to play music? I don't really think it's anybodys place to tell me how I should approach the expression of myself. > The only real questions that > don't have a right or wrong answer are illogical either by intent, such as > Zen Koans, or because the question doesn't take into account the complete > nature of the fact in question If it is fact then it can't be in question, can it? -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 21:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02006; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:15:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:15:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD78@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0818D.AD1CC6D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0818D.AD1CC6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What I've found interesting though is that a school environment would have provided at least facilities and equipment with which to pursure some of my musings. Add TIME to that as well and you've got a MAJOR opportunity. Networking with others motivated enough to dedicate themselves to focusing on music is an incredible springboard for ongoing relationships in the music community at large. ** i believe there to be a knowledge base at many (not all) schools. it all depends how you use and what you choose to take from that base. while i had a little bit of an interest and had heard 20th-century classical music in my home and earlier school environment, the univeristy environment was extremely helpful and important in getting more knowledge and exposure to it. after that, it was up to me to decide what i liked or didn't like. many people didn't care to pursue that avenue, i did. further, the knowledge base there was a good introduction to understanding compositional technique and analysis of pieces - - from plain chant on up. for me, this was very valuable as it helped me deal with formal issues in composition and improvisation. in terms of jazz or improvisaion, forget about it, very little was helpful in my situation. i'm not really sure that a teacher can really teach you that in any event, they can probably only guide (which is probably the case with composition too i'd say), but that's teaching may really be about anyway (?). i do think that many people go to school because their parents have them go - - whether they want to our not. i was lucky in that i had been on the road for more than two years and chose to go back to school - - i had had some "real-world" experience (as real as living in hotel rooms and playing in jazz clubs can be) and was motivated and hungry for the knowledge that was at the university. many of my classmates did not have that advantage. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0818D.AD1CC6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything"

What I've found interesting though is that a school = environment would have provided at least facilities and equipment with = which to pursure some of my musings. Add TIME to that as well and = you've got a MAJOR opportunity. Networking with others motivated enough = to dedicate themselves to focusing on music is an incredible = springboard for ongoing relationships in the music community at large. =


** i believe there to be a knowledge base at many = (not all) schools. it all depends how you use and what you choose to = take from that base. while i had a little bit of an interest and had = heard 20th-century classical music in my home and earlier school = environment, the univeristy environment was extremely helpful and = important in getting more knowledge and exposure to it. after that, it = was up to me to decide what i liked or didn't like. many people didn't = care to pursue that avenue, i did. further, the knowledge base there = was a good introduction to understanding compositional technique and = analysis of pieces - - from plain chant on up. for me, this was very = valuable as it helped me deal with formal issues in composition and = improvisation. in terms of jazz or improvisaion, forget about it, very = little was helpful in my situation. i'm not really sure that a teacher = can really teach you that in any event, they can probably only guide = (which is probably the case with composition too i'd say), but that's = teaching may really be about anyway (?).

i do think that many people go to school because = their parents have them go - - whether they want to our not. i was = lucky in that i had been on the road for more than two years and chose = to go back to school - - i had had some "real-world" = experience (as real as living in hotel rooms and playing in jazz clubs = can be) and was motivated and hungry for the knowledge that was at the = university. many of my classmates did not have that = advantage.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0818D.AD1CC6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 23:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04890; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:03:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:03:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c081cc$437f46a0$e428059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: a boss looper! Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:59:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks great... But even the boss thing doesn't seem to have any feedback control... ----- Original Message ----- From: "spaceloop" To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: a boss looper! > > > Oh mi gosh ! > > > > The Boss RC-20 Loop Station. > > > > http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > > > > Cheers, > > Joel > > > I'll take two! > > I hope they price it to compete with the DL-4 > > -- > travis salisbury > http://www.illuminetdesign.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 23:25:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05207; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:24:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:24:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c081cf$97162c40$aa89e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101190216.VAA02061@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Does the new Boss Looper have MIDI sync capabilities? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:23:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own three Jammans and two DL-4s. If the DL-4 had midi sync capabilities I would unload my Lexicons in a heartbeat. Does anyone know if the Boss Looper will have MIDI sync capabilities? yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 23:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05415; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:33:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:33:10 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Does the new Boss Looper have MIDI sync capabilities? In-Reply-To: <001c01c081cf$97162c40$aa89e3a5@poo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: > I own three Jammans and two DL-4s. If the DL-4 had midi sync capabilities > I would unload my Lexicons in a heartbeat. > Does anyone know if the Boss Looper will have MIDI sync capabilities? > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > Doesn't even look like it has MIDI. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 18 23:56:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05861; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:55:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c081d3$ef5ce8e0$aa89e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101190216.VAA02061@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: a call to Live Looping Artists everywhere Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:54:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Delightful Loopers (thanks Kim!), I am happy to announce that Laurence Bedford (owner of the beautiful, huge old movie theater, the RIO THEATRE in Santa Cruz) and I have struck a deal to produce an ongoing LOOPING FESTIVAL (probably once a month) in this next year. The festivals will be free to the public and the performers will donate their time and performances as well (just like the SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL which commences this coming Tuesday, January 23rd with Steve Lawson from the United Kingdom headlining. I am very excited about this!!! Our small community (50,000 people or so) actually has 8 solo looping artists (including long time Loopers Delight contributor, Miko B!) that I am aware of and there are a handful of artists from the Bay Area as well (Scott Kungha Drengsen will be playing our bass fest and the inimitable Matt Davignon of CT-Collective fame) that I'd love to showcase. I would also like to throw it out there to solo loopers (or groups that are primarily based around looping as opposed to a group that has one person who loops occasionally) outside of the greater Bay Areas (Monterey and San Francisco) who know that they will be traveling through the area to please contact me ahead of time and see if we can put together a showcase for you. The whole Solo Bass Looping Festival arose because Steve Lawson contacted me, letting me know that he would be in the area and wanting to know if I wanted to do a show with him (who wouldn't :-). The response form people, the press and radio has been really envigorating. What started out as a gig has now mushroomed into a larger event (and, depending on continued interest, possibly a yearly occurence) I've thought long and hard about the vicissitudes of promoting this emerging art form: hearing back from people that only 15-50 people were coming to there respective local looping shows. As with most emerging art forms and underground musical and artistic movements there really is no money to be made so bars, nightclubs and promoters tend to steer cleer of us. This can be pretty discouraging and it can all seem so futile after a while. What comes to mind is an interview I read with one of the early rockabilly musicians from Texas a few years ago (I wish I could remember his name but I cannot). He said, and I paraphrase wildly, "These young musicians, nowadays, don't seem to be very committed to their music. If they don't make a certain amount of money, then they don't want to get their guitars out of their cases. When we were first starting, we felt that we were on a mission to take this music (rockabilly) to the people. We would pile into our station wagon and set out across Texas looking for places to play. We would go up to a local Piggly Wiggly Market and ask the manager if we could play up on their roof for free. We would play anywhere and as often as possible for anyone." This small interview was so inspiring to me and I realize that I got into music because it was so exciting. Unlike some people, I never did it to meet girls or be famous or make money. The music was the most important thing and I wanted to play anywhere and as often as possible. I actually was lucky (and really naive) because I learned my instrument in the public eye-even if it was a crappy drunken frat kegger at San Jose State ;-) Anyway, I just wanted to exhort people to get out there and start doing it for free.......... ANYWHERE. You'd be suprised how many little coffee shops and bars are struggling and would love it if you brought 10-20 people to their establishment as long as it doesn't cost them. You'd be suprised how ready most people are for something new and audacious and unconventional here at the start of the Naughties. People forget that during the heighth of the Psychedelic era, the average attendance at the Fillmore Auditorium was only between 150-250 people a night. It was always the same 10 bands that rotated on the bill with occasional outside acts. The energy and creativity of a movement always proceeded the social acceptance and monetary viability of that movement. Let's be obnoxious and put live looping out there as a community. I've done it a lot. Please contact me if you want any input on how to do it in your own community. Thanks for tolerating my little soap box rant, fellow loopers, yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 00:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06598; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:15:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:15:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008801c080da$ecac13e0$0301a8c0@stephen> References: <008801c080da$ecac13e0$0301a8c0@stephen> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:19:48 -0600 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: NPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:12 PM +0000 1/17/01, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >The more cash USGovCo gives money to art, the less private citizens both >value and fund it themselves. I was wondering if this was your opinion, or is there published data to support this, like a study that found this to be true? Best regards, Eric sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon upcoming performances: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 00:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06939; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 00:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:34:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200101190534.f0J5YXp24424@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: a boss looper! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Release dates!! please??? price???? how many loopers a guy can have??? :-) At 02:54 a.m. 19/01/01 +0530, you wrote: >Oh mi gosh ! > >The Boss RC-20 Loop Station. > >http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > >Cheers, >Joel > >ps. Yeah, I know you think I've never stuck my nose in here before, but I >'ave... > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07783; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005901c0812b$4a992060$0301a8c0@stephen> References: <016201c080e2$28368600$0301a8c0@stephen> <005901c0812b$4a992060$0301a8c0@stephen> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:44:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am back... > > Where > > would you put Michael Brook with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? What about > > Bally Sagoo with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? Ambient? World? Dance? >> uh....Rock? :) a serious problem, with most music I like, including my own... Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan with Pavarotti did not come out yet? :-) The newer music here in Brasil (Zeca Baleiro, Tom Ze, Carlinhos Brown, Lenine...) is too heavy to be Folk, not heavy enough to be Rock, not electronic enough to be Tecno... >... bitch and moan about Napster. If they even know >WHAT Napster IS. a record company told me here that they are going to sign a contract with Napster about selling MP3. Heard about such thing? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:20:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07987; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c081df$8b7eb180$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Repeater spotted! Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:17:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man what a great box- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:30:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08176; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:29:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:29:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47C7@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:28:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9CnqtB.A.h_B.a69Z6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I like that idea, big tobbaco, a couple bucks form the oil and gas businesses,Microsoft will surely want to get their greedy palms on that as well, should fund the arts for years to come!!!ok, I'm in Denis -----Original Message----- From: Robert Eberwein [mailto:robert_eberwein@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #36 I got it! We make the tobacco industry fund the arts! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:43:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08486; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <83.5bae0b0.27993aae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:37:34 EST Subject: That music/awareness thread, part XXXVII To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_83.5bae0b0.27993aae_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 149 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_83.5bae0b0.27993aae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/18/2001 6:57:38 PM Central Standard Time, Jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice. > I disagree. We are born creative. (Ever notice that art made by children is so without guile or pretense?) It's a basic function of our humanity. It's a gift, and I believe everyone has it. Maybe not in ways that we all can see. My father was born with one external ear (a birth defect), and doesn't hear music the same way others do. So music is not on his palette. But he holds several patents for industrial things he's invented. Is he creative? Yes. Learning and practicing simply expand the choices we have when we want to 'express' something in whatever language we choose to be creative in. But learning and practicing themselves are not necessarily creative acts. On the other hand, practicing can be like writing to the writer: keep after it, and one can build the mental and spiritual capability of visiting with the Muse often and easily. I'm one of those guys who has been to music school and can spell a Db13b5 chord, and know which mode to play over it. I know a rebbe up the street that can read and write in Hebrew, and that's no more or less of a feat. I remember composition lessons in music school: One professor differed from others in that he did not try to steer my pieces a certain way, and didn't over-analyze what I was doing. He believed that we could work intuitively. Intuition is something everyone has, and among musicians, I find that it is sharpened through... experience. When I have my guitar in my hands, I'm adding little bits of experience. Same as when I'm playing a gig, or drawing notes on a piece of paper, or listening to Bitches Brew, which I was a few minutes ago. It is possible to make beautiful music without knowing much about it. I can think of lots of people who have, and do. (Don Van Vliet leaps immediately to mind.) As musicians, we often look for benchmarks, things to emulate, things to copy and steal. Sometimes we gather up all these things, and synthesize something new out of them. I truly believe that everything I listen to and love sooner or later shows up in my playing. The synthesis for me is about how to reconcile things that I love, even if they are widely scattered. I love be-bop, Eno, and Elvis Costello, just to name a few of the easy ones. (During last night's gig, we managed to cover all of those bases in some way. I consdier that an honest performance.) Sometimes we run out of things to look at as examples. Sometimes we get tired of them, and want something we haven't heard yet in any way shape or form. But we don't know that unless we're listening in the first place. The creative impulse, as I see it today, is this: I make music outside of my body to match the music I hear inside my body. If it already exists, I don't need to write it. We create things because we believe, or hallucinate, or imagine them, and wish to see/hear them, make them, share them, offer them to our deities, whatever. We say: look what I made. It's a basic human function: the need to be seen. The need to affirm the 'I am'. Not to go too far in this direction, but there is an old word that means 'I am'. It's pronounced 'Jehovah'. The whole idea is pretty old. What happens after the original idea... is up to us, every day. We can have the desire to create stifled by lack of reception. But not necessarily killed. Some people put away their horns and have children instead. That is no less of a feat either, and in some quarters, is regarded as more. We don't see the world as it is, but as we are. - Anais Nin k --part1_83.5bae0b0.27993aae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/18/2001 6:57:38 PM Central Standard Time,
Jonathan@full-moon.com writes:


In order to be creative, one needs to learn and practice.


I disagree.  
We are born creative.
(Ever notice that art made by children is so without guile or pretense?)
It's a basic function of our humanity.
It's a gift, and I believe everyone has it.  Maybe not in ways that we all
can see.
My father was born with one external ear (a birth defect), and doesn't hear
music the same way others do.  So music is not on his palette.  But he holds
several patents for industrial things he's invented.  Is he creative?  Yes.
Learning and practicing simply expand the choices we have when we want to
'express' something in whatever language we choose to be creative in.  But
learning and practicing themselves are not necessarily creative acts.
On the other hand, practicing can be like writing to the writer: keep after
it, and one can build the mental and spiritual capability of visiting with
the Muse often and easily.
I'm one of those guys who has been to music school and can spell a Db13b5
chord, and know which mode to play over it.  I know a rebbe up the street
that can read and write in Hebrew, and that's no more or less of a feat.
I remember composition lessons in music school: One professor differed from
others in that he did not try to steer my pieces a certain way, and didn't
over-analyze what I was doing.  He believed that we could work intuitively.  
Intuition is something everyone has, and among musicians, I find that it is
sharpened through... experience.  When I have my guitar in my hands, I'm
adding little bits of experience.  Same as when I'm playing a gig, or drawing
notes on a piece of paper, or listening to Bitches Brew, which I was a few
minutes ago.  
It is possible to make beautiful music without knowing much about it.  I can
think of lots of people who have, and do.  (Don Van Vliet leaps immediately
to mind.)
As musicians, we often look for benchmarks, things to emulate, things to copy
and steal.  Sometimes we gather up all these things, and synthesize something
new out of them.  I truly believe that everything I listen to and love sooner
or later shows up in my playing.  The synthesis for me is about how to
reconcile things that I love, even if they are widely scattered.  I love
be-bop, Eno, and Elvis Costello, just to name a few of the easy ones.  
(During last night's gig, we managed to cover all of those bases in some way.
 I consdier that an honest performance.)
Sometimes we run out of things to look at as examples.  Sometimes we get
tired of them, and want something we haven't heard yet in any way shape or
form.  But we don't know that unless we're listening in the first place.
The creative impulse, as I see it today, is this: I make music outside of my
body to match the music I hear inside my body.  If it already exists, I don't
need to write it.  We create things because we believe, or hallucinate, or
imagine them, and wish to see/hear them, make them, share them, offer them to
our deities, whatever.  We say: look what I made.
It's a basic human function: the need to be seen.  The need to affirm the 'I
am'.  
Not to go too far in this direction, but there is an old word that means 'I
am'.  It's pronounced 'Jehovah'.  The whole idea is pretty old.  What happens
after the original idea... is up to us, every day.  

We can have the desire to create stifled by lack of reception.  But not
necessarily killed.  Some people put away their horns and have children
instead.  That is no less of a feat either, and in some quarters, is regarded
as more.

We don't see the world as it is, but as we are.  - Anais Nin

k

--part1_83.5bae0b0.27993aae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:47:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08675; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.100ddf13.27993c80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:45:20 EST Subject: Re: EDP's and Jamman for Sale! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <86e7q.A.GHC.fK-Z6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm in the market for an EDP with pedal. Only snag is, I'm in LA(laland). Where are you? Roger B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 01:57:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08883; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:56:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:54:17 EST Subject: REPEATER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm new to Looper's Delight and happy to be here. Is it possible to get a repeater through the group? Thanks, Roger B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 02:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09468; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a call to Live Looping Artists everywhere Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:59:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2001 06:59:43.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[66E12960:01C081E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Rick deserves a lot of credit for putting this together. He's been working for months on getting some sort of live looping community down in Santa Cruz. (Come to think of it, Miko Biffle's been working at it too, especially with his Cobra performance a few months ago.) Are there more people in different areas of the country (or world) who are into arranging such things? Matt >From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: a call to Live Looping Artists everywhere >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:54:41 -0800 > >Dear Delightful Loopers (thanks Kim!), > > I am happy to announce that Laurence Bedford (owner of the beautiful, >huge >old movie theater, the RIO THEATRE in Santa Cruz) and I have struck a deal >to produce an ongoing LOOPING FESTIVAL (probably once a month) in this next >year. The festivals will be free to the public and the performers will >donate their time and performances as well (just like the SOLO BASS LOOPING >FESTIVAL which commences this coming Tuesday, January 23rd with Steve >Lawson >from the United Kingdom headlining. > > I am very excited about this!!! Our small community (50,000 people >or so) actually has >8 solo looping artists (including long time Loopers Delight contributor, >Miko B!) that I am aware of and there are a handful of artists from the Bay >Area as well (Scott Kungha Drengsen will be playing our bass fest and the >inimitable Matt Davignon of CT-Collective fame) that I'd love to showcase. > > I would also like to throw it out there to solo loopers (or groups >that >are primarily based around looping as opposed to a group that has one >person >who loops occasionally) outside of the >greater Bay Areas (Monterey and San Francisco) who know that they will be >traveling through the >area to please contact me ahead of time and see if we can put together a >showcase for you. > > The whole Solo Bass Looping Festival arose because Steve Lawson >contacted me, letting me know that he would be in the area and wanting to >know if I wanted to do a show with him (who wouldn't :-). The response >form people, the press and radio has been really envigorating. >What started out as a gig has now mushroomed into a larger event (and, >depending on continued interest, possibly a yearly occurence) > > I've thought long and hard about the vicissitudes of promoting this >emerging art form: hearing back from people that only 15-50 people were >coming to there respective local looping shows. >As with most emerging art forms and underground musical and artistic >movements there really is no money to be made so bars, nightclubs and >promoters tend to steer cleer of us. This can be pretty discouraging and >it >can all seem so futile after a while. > > What comes to mind is an interview I read with one of the early >rockabilly musicians from Texas a few years ago (I wish I could remember >his >name but I cannot). He said, and I paraphrase wildly, > > "These young musicians, nowadays, don't seem to be very committed to >their music. If they don't make a certain amount of money, then they don't >want to get their guitars out of their cases. When we were first >starting, >we felt that we were on a mission to take this music (rockabilly) to the >people. We would pile into our station wagon and set out across Texas >looking for places to play. We would go up to a local Piggly Wiggly Market >and ask the manager if we could play up on their roof for free. We would >play anywhere and as often as possible for anyone." > > This small interview was so inspiring to me and I realize that I got >into music because >it was so exciting. Unlike some people, I never did it to meet girls or >be famous or make money. The music was the most important thing and I >wanted to play anywhere and as often as possible. I actually was lucky >(and really naive) because I learned my instrument in the public eye-even >if >it was a crappy drunken frat kegger at San Jose State ;-) > > Anyway, I just wanted to exhort people to get out there and start >doing >it for free.......... >ANYWHERE. You'd be suprised how many little coffee shops and bars are >struggling and would love it if you brought 10-20 people to their >establishment as long as it doesn't cost them. >You'd be suprised how ready most people are for something new and audacious >and unconventional here at the start of the Naughties. > > People forget that during the heighth of the Psychedelic era, the >average attendance at the >Fillmore Auditorium was only between 150-250 people a night. It was always >the same 10 bands that rotated on the bill with occasional outside acts. >The energy and creativity of a movement >always proceeded the social acceptance and monetary viability of that >movement. > > Let's be obnoxious and put live looping out there as a community. >I've >done it a lot. Please contact me if you want any input on how to do it in >your own community. > > Thanks for tolerating my little soap box rant, fellow loopers, >yours, >Rick Walker (loop.pool) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 02:03:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09500; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:01:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:01:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:00:02 EST Subject: Loopers with Midi clock capabilities To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me which looping units are out there that have MIDI clock capabilities? I am aware of the EDP and the upcoming Repeater. Are there any others that are for live use? Thanks, Roger B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 02:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09681; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A67E6F6.36322A09@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:04:24 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a boss looper! References: <000c01c0824c$b46ad700$02000003@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If only it let you synch the loop time via a midi clock! Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 05:18:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13347; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c08200$7a386120$26b61597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: Italo's homepage Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:06:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody on the list !!! Just two good news: - a new (cheaper) Eventide processor at Namm : ECLIPSE - my newborn homepage with info, downloadable audio, Eventide presets area & more at www.geocities.com/italoop welcome!!! cheers.....L@@@pingital@@@p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 05:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13451; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:19:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:19:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Perception is---anything Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:18:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2001 10:18:23.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[27493060:01C08201] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lemme just throw this out there-- if only in the spirit of: have you thought this through, for yourself. Is it not possible that *Perception is NOT everything*. --That there are NOT an infinite way to see anything- but, rather, one way that allows the greatest appreciation of the thing. Maybe not everything is relative, but absolute. *Heresy! Run him off the list! Blasphemer of the sacred lessons of the Enlightenment!* I notice this in putting a song together. Most of the time I settle with one of the infinite possibilities. But SOMETIMES I find that absolutely perfect thing [chord/word/sound/change] that had been there all along. What if everything is like that? That means that there would be MOST RIGHT thing to say to your girlfriend at a certain moment- as opposed to an infinite range of possible things. There would be the MOST RIGHT time to get pregnant, the right person to accompany you on your trip to Maui, the right song to play at the wedding gig, the RIGHT way to raise your kids...The RIGHT delay unit to buy... The RIGHT way to handle the rude clerk at the computer store... Maybe it's not all cool/good. Maybe we need to search out the sublime. Maybe there are folks out there who've subconsciously joined in an effort to make us all think that there should be no standards-for anything. And maybe they are motivated by not wanting their limitations to be highlighted, next to excellence [excellence is the first thing to go when one believe that perception is everything]... >From The Rosy Croutons, with love, Robb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 06:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14634; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:31:31 -0500 Subject: group buy of EDP? From: Tommy Kochel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will there be a group buy in the near future for the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro? Please let me in on it if possible. Tommy Kochel Apparently, our mission, as a nation, is "to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place." - George W. Bush "I find it hard to take offense at, or be insulted by, a commentary which demonstrates that life without sentience is not only possible but ongoing." - Robert Fripp, 1997, King Crimson's "Epitaph" boxed set booklet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 09:44:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18076; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:41:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:41:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <9.fdadd70.2799ab5f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:38:23 EST Subject: Re: a call to Live Looping Artists everywhere To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.fdadd70.2799ab5f_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.fdadd70.2799ab5f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am in western long island, ny and am a relative beginner in the looping department - however i've been playing since i was a kid - i play winds (tenor, alto, soprano and clarinet, wind midi controller), mandolin and keyboards and recently bought a DL4 and Lexicon MPX 500 - i also use SF Acid and have a pretty good recording setup - i would love to meet some other like minded people in this area - anyone out there? quite alot of you seem to live out west and southwest - not that i wouldn't mind coming out to visit - harry --part1_9.fdadd70.2799ab5f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i am in western long island, ny and am a relative beginner in the looping
department - however i've been playing since i was a kid - i play winds
(tenor, alto, soprano and clarinet, wind midi controller), mandolin and
keyboards and recently bought a DL4 and Lexicon MPX 500 - i also use SF Acid
and have a pretty good recording setup - i would love to meet some other like
minded people in this area - anyone out there?  quite alot of you seem to
live out west and southwest - not that i wouldn't mind coming out to visit -
harry --part1_9.fdadd70.2799ab5f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 09:47:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18127; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c08226$01edbe60$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Perception is---anything Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:42:08 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Robert Eberwein" put forth: > Is it not possible that *Perception is NOT everything*. --That there are NOT > an infinite way to see anything- but, rather, one way that allows the > greatest appreciation of the thing. Maybe not everything is relative, but > absolute. Well, if everything WAS relative my Christmas card list would be a lot longer than it is. Sorry, couldn't resist. :) > I notice this in putting a song together. Most of the time I settle with one > of the infinite possibilities. But SOMETIMES I find that absolutely perfect > thing [chord/word/sound/change] that had been there all along. What if > everything is like that? That means that there would be MOST RIGHT thing to > say to your girlfriend at a certain moment- as opposed to an infinite range > of possible things. There would be the MOST RIGHT time to get pregnant, the > right person to accompany you on your trip to Maui, the right song to play > at the wedding gig, the RIGHT way to raise your kids...The RIGHT delay unit > to buy... The RIGHT way to handle the rude clerk at the computer store... I tend to think that this would be provable and true only if we had all the answers. At times it seems that, when I'm working on a song, it's similar to what Michaelangelo said about finding the sculpture/shape inside the stone, and bringing it out. As far as girlfriends go though there is usually a better time than we guys choose for most things. :) > Maybe it's not all cool/good. Maybe we need to search out the sublime. Maybe > there are folks out there who've subconsciously joined in an effort to make > us all think that there should be no standards-for anything. And maybe they > are motivated by not wanting their limitations to be highlighted, next to > excellence [excellence is the first thing to go when one believe that > perception is everything]... When someone tries to convince me of a void of standards, what is normally buried underneath all that is a shadow set of standards that is the real agenda content, that cannot be exerted until I think there are none. This is also common to a number of cult strategies that I won't go into. You know, this is actually becoming a fruitful discussion! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 10:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18960; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:05:07 EST Subject: Heads-up re: Echoplex for Sale To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, all: If anyone's looking for an Echoplex, I placed an Oberheim flavor of the box on eBay (auction #1404989648). Regards, Pablo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:03:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20339; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:56 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! In-Reply-To: <005401c081df$8b7eb180$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pre-beta?? The last word from Damon was a problem with the power supply suppliers the box was supposed to be out at least a month ago. What's the hold-up, electrix? we're jonesin for our gear fixes... nothing worse than a looper with the dt's... -><- On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Om_Audio wrote: > Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on > to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man > what a great box- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20829; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:34:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:34:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:24:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8QXjM.A.7EF.OwGa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yoda said "You must unlearn what you have learned"...I do want to >make it clear that any form of music is great, trained or untrained, but >on a personal level, I want to appoach the musical creation process in a >fresh and almost naive way. > >just some thoughts. ;-) And then there are folks like me, who started playing in a fresh and (very) naive way. and i've been doing it for over 12 years now. i'm proud of alot of the work i've done, but some walls are starting to appear. how do i get over this wall without knowing where the steps are? i think there are advantages/disadvantages to both sides. makes me think of a section of the Miles Davis autobio, where Miles is talking about jamming with Hendrix. Miles would say, ok, lets start with this diminished whatever...and Jimi would have this blank look on his face, not understanding...and Miles would have to back up and describe it in a different way so the guy who didn't understand 'formal' music would get it. Wow. would have loved to been a fly on the wall there! best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:55:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21247; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:52:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:50:15 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: Yamaha analog delays In-Reply-To: <16.787b5ce.27971190@aol.com> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Morning all! I have a question - after researching analog delays and my bank balance, I have decided on going for one of the few delays on e-bay right now. Now there are two Yammaha models are the E1010 (which have read about a bit) and the E1005. Could anyone compare the two for me? I knwo the E1010 is known for it's sonic clarity, which makes it especially attractive. Does the E1005 share this characteristic? SHould I pay $100 + s&h or can it be had for cheaper? THanks for the newbie tolerance - I'm a synthesist, not an FX man! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21419; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:53:16 EST Subject: AKASH GETS PRESS IN PHILLY FOR LOOPING To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <16.7a951a8.2799cafc@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9GyGfB.A.uMF.lEHa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH YEAHhhhh! we got a nice lil' ole paragraph in this weeks Phila City Paper. They called what we do a "layered" sound but at least they noticed us while we were looping for the "record". ck it out here: http://www.citypaper.net/articles/011801/mus.hear.shtml Also, we would like to formally announce the addition of Cory Neale on upright and electric basses to AKASH. Cory's Bio is as follows: Cory Neale claims to have learned music through osmosis via a Sony Walkman. He has played double bass and bass guitar for more than 14 years and has recorded and toured extensively in the regional Northeast US Currently he is 1/3 of the trio in Justice on a Budget, a free-jazz group playing regularly in the Philadelphia area. Cory has also played in local Philadelphia groups the Barnabys (spinArt/Polygram), Camp Audrey, Zoom (the original girl group)and "cory". He appreciates such Walkman Mentors as Eberhard Weber and Eddie Gomez and listens and learns from a variety of jazz, classical, dance, and adventurous music. Other related AKASH info: TEMPLE OF BON MATIN'S NEW ALBUM "CABIN IN THE SKY" IS DUE OUT ANYDAY NOW ON BULB RECORDS ... "Cabin" features Ed Wilcox on drums, percussion, vocals and various devices alongwith John Price from AKASH on elect guitar, Loops, acoustic 12 string, upright bass and The Roland - GR-30; "Cabin" is a mix of original and reworked field songs from the 19th century but "Cabin" is done in ways that only the loud & forever legendary, TEMPLE OF BON MATIN can deliver the goods! ( MOBY eat yer heart out! ) Also look for "TORA-TORA-LIVE"! By San Francisco's most adventurous - Noise - Trancey - Swoooshy - Improvising Masters, "LIQUORBALL" featuring none other than Mister Ed Wilcox on drums..."TORA-TORA-LIVE" is sold at only the finest indie record shops in a metropolitan town near you! Also thanks to everyone who has supported AKASH from our earliest beginnings as AKASH turns a "naughty" and very "tasty" 3 years old on Valentine's Day, 2001. STAY TUNED FOR SHOWS-PROMOS & CD GIVEAWAYS AS AKASH PREPARES TO ASSAULT YOUR "MORALS" WITH SOUND N' FLESH ! Also look for LORALAI from AKASH with the "Dancing Mermaids": Friday, February 2nd, @ the "First Friday Virgin Bride Cabaret" at The Painted Bride Arts Center located in The Old City section of Center City, Philadelphia accompanied by special musical guests, members of the "world-music" group, Animus. *THE AKASH DEBUT "BODY WORSHIP" IS ON SALE @ FETISHES BOUTIQUE: **orders are NOT being taken online just yet, but for directions to Fetishes Boutique, load this url & click: www.fetishesboutique.com *JUST ASK FOR AKASH & GET INTO "BODY WORSHIP" NOW ! Also, AKASH MP3's are linked to our website from the Philadelphia Ambient Consortium - Music and Noise (PACMAN) which features many talented and heavilly Loop-Based-Philadelphia-Performers...& dont just check AKASH out but ck out all the loopy stuff Philly has to offer u! Warm Regards, AKASH "Remember to always kill your expectations" www.akashmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:58:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21469; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:47:00 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026801c08237$71cd3560$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... nothing worse > than a looper with the dt's... unless you are dt... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21470; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:50:51 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <027201c08237$fb869fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <01C08170.5804BE40.Jonathan@full-moon.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <57JpBD.A.iNF.YFHa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Common sense dictates that anyone who was any >good at what they do would be out, doing it, and not teaching me. what if what they are good at is teaching? this is what you should look for in a teacher in the first place. most great players are lousy teachers. what if sports teams had this attitude about coaches? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 11:58:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21477; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c08239$637606c0$a0926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200101190216.VAA02061@hemlock.violacea.com> <001e01c081d3$ef5ce8e0$aa89e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: a call to Live Looping Artists everywhere Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:42:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All power to your arm Rick - and good luck on the up and coming loopfest. This could be the start of something !!! Gareth > I am happy to announce that Laurence Bedford (owner of the beautiful, huge > old movie theater, the RIO THEATRE in Santa Cruz) and I have struck a deal > to produce an ongoing LOOPING FESTIVAL (probably once a month) in this next > year. The festivals will be free to the public and the performers will > donate their time and performances as well (just like the SOLO BASS LOOPING > FESTIVAL which commences this coming Tuesday, January 23rd with Steve Lawson > from the United Kingdom headlining. snip > What comes to mind is an interview I read with one of the early > rockabilly musicians from Texas a few years ago (I wish I could remember his > name but I cannot). He said, and I paraphrase wildly, > > "These young musicians, nowadays, don't seem to be very committed to > their music. If they don't make a certain amount of money, then they don't > want to get their guitars out of their cases. When we were first starting, > we felt that we were on a mission to take this music (rockabilly) to the > people. We would pile into our station wagon and set out across Texas > looking for places to play. We would go up to a local Piggly Wiggly Market > and ask the manager if we could play up on their roof for free. We would > play anywhere and as often as possible for anyone." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:07:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22289; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:05:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:05:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:05:06 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Group buy of Electrix Reapeater? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: <_v_AHC.A.5bF.VOHa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just joined the list. I heard from Chris Muir that a group buy had been organized for the Electrix Repeater. I'd like to participate. According to one of the designers I spoke to a NAMM yesterday the Repeater is now scheduled for release in March. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:13:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22477; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:11:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:11:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Group buy of Electrix Reapeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:06:53 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/19/2001 11:06:57 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MARCH?!?! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22698; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:13:40 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) In-Reply-To: <027201c08237$fb869fd0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_k1cg.A.QgF.HXHa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Common sense dictates that anyone who was any > >good at what they do would be out, doing it, and not teaching me. Pardon me for asking, but I don't understand how this works. Common sense certainly doesn't tell me this. Im my culture the highest and most honorable profession on can attain is that of teacher. In fact, teaching could almost be considered the national past time. In fact, I'm a music teacher. In fact, I play gigs. In fact, I don't suck Music itself is created primarily in the middle brain due to the fact that music is a synthesis of mathmatics and creation, which occur in the two seperate hemispheres. I can realy on intuition, or rely on the techincal side of composition - either way is only going to take me so far, which is to say not as far as if I synthesized (took the best of both and combines them into a new better thing) the two. I wouldn't have learned this wihtout someone else's guidance, and what is a teacher other than a guide? So explain to me how the qouted statement is true? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22701; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater in March??? (was Group buy of Electrix Reapeater?) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:16:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8tOnx.A.ogF.QXHa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com March??? We were told late January. Can someone from Electrix (Damon) clarify??? Thanks, Kevin > According to one of the designers I spoke to a NAMM yesterday the > Repeater is now scheduled for release in March. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22713; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47CD@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater spotted! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but wait I am DT: Denis Taaffe unless you mean the imposter DT:David torn heheheheh, kidding, I assume that is what you mean. I just saw a photo of him in a guitar mag about a quote he made 5 years earlier iun that same mag...Tell us more DT #2.... Denis Taaffe -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! >... nothing worse > than a looper with the dt's... unless you are dt... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:21:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23007; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:19:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:16:52 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Group buy of Electrix Reapeater? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > > MARCH?!?! Ok I'll bite, where is the info on this thing? As my favorite OJibwe (a.k.a. Indian, American Red) grandfather always says, "Ba chomp bachomp, ba-chewy chewy chomp." Which translates loosely into "may you always spit mad game at the honeys." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:25:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23201; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47CF@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:22:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Common sense dictates that anyone who was any > >good at what they do would be out, doing it not emailing lists like this one ?! hehehehehehehehehhahahahaha DT#1 -----Original Message----- From: Heyoka_face_eater [mailto:wils0450@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Nothing" (long) > >Common sense dictates that anyone who was any > >good at what they do would be out, doing it, and not teaching me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 12:46:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23850; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: group buy of EDP? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:47:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, what about a group buy of the edp? at least this product is shipping. i'd be interested... kevin > Will there be a group buy in the near future for the Gibson/Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro? Please let me in on it if possible. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 13:35:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25183; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:32:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:21:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy folks, Cliff and I went to the Namm show together, and headed for the Electrix booth first thing. I just had to see if they had a functioning unit there to get my hands on. here's the lowdown from our short excursion into Repeaterland: Yes, it is pre-beta software. By self admission, they are not releasing until March. The demo guy was pretty up front about this, and obviously a little upset that he had to demo a machine that was still buggy, and not fully functional. I was a little upset that Damon was not very forthcoming about this info on the list, especially since there is a group buy formed. Power supply? bullshit...The demo guy said "We totally underestimated the complexity of this machine". On the positive side, All of the boxes are sitting in their warehouses, fully built and ready to go, they just need to finalize the software, load it in via the CFC cards and off they go. so...march then...maybe. other than that, the state the box was in was: Only one loop was active, and only two tracks of that one loop were available. BUT...even with that and bugs...this unit is FUN!!!!!!! They had a demo setup with a guitar into POD into the Repeater. I layed a volume swelled pad/drone on track 1, then switched to track 2 to lay in a more percussive riff. Now, these are seperate! Yay! two loops going simultaneously. hit the pitch button, engage track one and alter the pitch of track one up an octave. Pitch is shown on the front panel in semitones. This was a new one for me...I thought that you could change the pitch or time on a loop, but that all four tracks would be affected. Not so, to my delight. Wow. four independent tracks! On just one loop! well, not quite...there's only two active tracks on the pre-beta software at this point. Now i hit the pan button, engaged track 1 and shifted track 1 to hard left. engage track 2 and panned it hard right. Zowee! Then i engaged track 1 and track 2 and then started twisting the pan around. Wow. the two loops started fluctuating around in the stereo field. Did this mangling for about 20 seconds before i freaked out the software and it got stuck. oops. reboot. The time stretching is quite dramatic. I originally recorded at 120 bpm, and you can go down to like, 4 bpm, which introduced possibly interesting artifacts, especially if post-processed. think fat boy slim, here... One of the more interesting things i saw in the demo they did was that the pitch shifting can be preprogrammed, so when you lay that guitar riff in, what comes out on the first playback of the loop IS PITCHSHIFTED. cool. you don't have to wait for playback and then adjust pitch. there is more to the box, even in it's current state. i am going back on saturday and maybe sunday, so if anyone has very specific questions of something i can try out for ya, let me know. i will not ask them anything about ship dates and such, since i don't really feel like grilling Damon and the rest on behalf of LD. i'm sure he will hear enough of it from the list. seeya! rich >Pre-beta?? The last word from Damon was a problem with the power supply >suppliers the box was supposed to be out at least a month ago. What's >the hold-up, electrix? we're jonesin for our gear fixes... nothing worse >than a looper with the dt's... > >-><- > >On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Om_Audio wrote: > >> Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on >> to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man >> what a great box- >> >> Cliff >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 13:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25635; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:45:43 -0500 Subject: CD manufacture From: David Myers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to note that I received my shipment of new CDs today from CDman. They were thoroughly professional and helpful, did everything just right at a terrific price, and even delivered earlier than expected! Bravo! My wholehearted recommendation for CDman. Thanks to listmembers for suggesting them. So now my first release on my own Pulsewidth label is available (well, next Tuesday when the insert card is ready). "Ourobouros" was offered as a CDR for a while but now is a "real" CD. Anyone who is in need of some new Feedback Music (the first in seven years), do me a favor and step up to the counter! Got 1000 of these puppies to unload.... David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 13:49:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25624; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:44:54 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Re: "Perspective/Perception Is Everything" From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9e.ee62603.27987ee4@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > also, re: stereotyping: > me, i *like* to chomp a good cigar once-in-a-great-while, myself..... I must join mr. dt in protesting this unabashed stereotyping. We cigar lovers take enough heat from this shameless society. Hmph! Pass the Primo del Reys.... David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 14:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26515; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Future Repeater Users Manifesto (was Re: Repeater spotted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3pTBHD.A.scG.66Ia6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This all sounds great, and jives with what we've been hearing so far... it's heartening at least that the product exists in some physical manifestiation of metal and plastic and blinky leds. I'm kind of disappointed in Damon, as he seemed like a truly non 'marketing guy' marketing guy, but whatever, he was probably feeding us the same line he was fed by someone else. Damon, Electrix, please do not give us a product with buggy software upon release. I've seen this happen with too many great products/software packages. It's an age-old story... the engineers set deadlines for themselves under pressure from management, marketing goes into overdrive for the product launch, and it keeps getting pushed back until finally marketing and/or management can't take it anymore and push the half-baked product out the door, much to the dismay of the users. The engineers keep working to support the thing with endless patches, but the damage has been done, and the product's reputation is shot. If there's a remote chance it's not going to be ready by March, say so now and take the pressure off yourselves so that we the users can have a product we can trust. I can't speak for the rest of the group, but I'll wait. I would rather hear "It'll be done when it's done" than "It'll be ready by january! I mean march! I mean june! umm... 2003?" -><- On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, rich wrote: > Howdy folks, > > Cliff and I went to the Namm show together, and headed for the > Electrix booth first thing. I just had to see if they had a > functioning unit there to get my hands on. here's the lowdown from > our short excursion into Repeaterland: > > Yes, it is pre-beta software. By self admission, they are not > releasing until March. The demo guy was pretty up front about this, > and obviously a little upset that he had to demo a machine that was > still buggy, and not fully functional. I was a little upset that > Damon was not very forthcoming about this info on the list, > especially since there is a group buy formed. Power supply? > bullshit...The demo guy said "We totally underestimated the > complexity of this machine". On the positive side, All of the boxes > are sitting in their warehouses, fully built and ready to go, they > just need to finalize the software, load it in via the CFC cards and > off they go. > > so...march then...maybe. > > other than that, the state the box was in was: > > Only one loop was active, and only two tracks of that one loop were > available. BUT...even with that and bugs...this unit is FUN!!!!!!! > > They had a demo setup with a guitar into POD into the Repeater. I > layed a volume swelled pad/drone on track 1, then switched to track 2 > to lay in a more percussive riff. Now, these are seperate! Yay! > two loops going simultaneously. hit the pitch button, engage track > one and alter the pitch of track one up an octave. Pitch is shown on > the front panel in semitones. > > This was a new one for me...I thought that you could change the pitch > or time on a loop, but that all four tracks would be affected. Not > so, to my delight. Wow. four independent tracks! On just one loop! > well, not quite...there's only two active tracks on the pre-beta > software at this point. > > Now i hit the pan button, engaged track 1 and shifted track 1 to hard > left. engage track 2 and panned it hard right. Zowee! Then i > engaged track 1 and track 2 and then started twisting the pan around. > Wow. the two loops started fluctuating around in the stereo field. > Did this mangling for about 20 seconds before i freaked out the > software and it got stuck. oops. reboot. > > The time stretching is quite dramatic. I originally recorded at 120 > bpm, and you can go down to like, 4 bpm, which introduced possibly > interesting artifacts, especially if post-processed. think fat boy > slim, here... > > One of the more interesting things i saw in the demo they did was > that the pitch shifting can be preprogrammed, so when you lay that > guitar riff in, what comes out on the first playback of the loop IS > PITCHSHIFTED. cool. you don't have to wait for playback and then > adjust pitch. > > there is more to the box, even in it's current state. i am going > back on saturday and maybe sunday, so if anyone has very specific > questions of something i can try out for ya, let me know. i will not > ask them anything about ship dates and such, since i don't really > feel like grilling Damon and the rest on behalf of LD. i'm sure he > will hear enough of it from the list. > > seeya! > > rich > > > > >Pre-beta?? The last word from Damon was a problem with the power supply > >suppliers the box was supposed to be out at least a month ago. What's > >the hold-up, electrix? we're jonesin for our gear fixes... nothing worse > >than a looper with the dt's... > > > >-><- > > > >On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Om_Audio wrote: > > > >> Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on > >> to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man > >> what a great box- > >> > >> Cliff > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 14:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26730; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A682346.4775@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:21:41 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I was at NAMM yesterday as well, and spent quite a bit of time at the Electrix booth, talking to both Damon and another fellow there (whose name escapes me). Both were very helpful and informative. I think Rich pretty much summed it up with his last post, in terms of functionality, software issues, etc. It seemed clear that the Electrix team were very anxious to get the product out there, but at the same time the unofficial theme seemed to be, "We will serve no looper before its time." In other words, they want to iron out all of the bugs in the software before shipping. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the lingering myths about the Echoplex being buggy are a factor here. Speaking of the EDP, I'm sure one of the big questions here is, "How does Repeater compare to the Echoplex." I can't pretend to offer a conclusive answer to that, since I spent about a half hour watching and/or playing with the Repeater, as opposed to five years using an EDP. My gut reaction is that these units share a lot of common ground, but that there are areas with each one that the other doesn't touch. I also found a distinctly different psychological "feel" to each unit (again, bearing my obvious predispositions in mind). I can't possibly make any further meaningful commentary until I actually know my way around a Repeater, so I'll stop there. I had a very good time talking with the Electrix staff, and I wish them all the best of luck in getting the unit out to the world ASAP. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com PS -- So tell me, Damon, what does a person have to do to be a Beta tester?! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 14:25:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27117; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:22:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A687872.EE8519B9@sigecom.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:25:07 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Future Repeater Users Manifesto (was Re: Repeater spotted! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AMEN! noah wrote: > This all sounds great, and jives with what we've been hearing so far... > it's heartening at least that the product exists in some physical > manifestiation of metal and plastic and blinky leds. I'm kind of > disappointed in Damon, as he seemed like a truly non 'marketing guy' > marketing guy, but whatever, he was probably feeding us the same line he > was fed by someone else. > > Damon, Electrix, please do not give us a product with buggy software upon > release. I've seen this happen with too many great products/software > packages. > > It's an age-old story... the engineers set deadlines for > themselves under pressure from management, marketing goes into overdrive > for the product launch, and it keeps getting pushed back until finally > marketing and/or management can't take it anymore and push the half-baked > product out the door, much to the dismay of the users. The engineers keep > working to support the thing with endless patches, but the damage has been > done, and the product's reputation is shot. > > If there's a remote chance it's not going to be ready by March, say so now > and take the pressure off yourselves so that we the users can have a > product we can trust. I can't speak for the rest of the group, but I'll > wait. I would rather hear "It'll be done when it's done" than "It'll be > ready by january! I mean march! I mean june! umm... 2003?" > > -><- > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, rich wrote: > > > Howdy folks, > > > > Cliff and I went to the Namm show together, and headed for the > > Electrix booth first thing. I just had to see if they had a > > functioning unit there to get my hands on. here's the lowdown from > > our short excursion into Repeaterland: > > > > Yes, it is pre-beta software. By self admission, they are not > > releasing until March. The demo guy was pretty up front about this, > > and obviously a little upset that he had to demo a machine that was > > still buggy, and not fully functional. I was a little upset that > > Damon was not very forthcoming about this info on the list, > > especially since there is a group buy formed. Power supply? > > bullshit...The demo guy said "We totally underestimated the > > complexity of this machine". On the positive side, All of the boxes > > are sitting in their warehouses, fully built and ready to go, they > > just need to finalize the software, load it in via the CFC cards and > > off they go. > > > > so...march then...maybe. > > > > other than that, the state the box was in was: > > > > Only one loop was active, and only two tracks of that one loop were > > available. BUT...even with that and bugs...this unit is FUN!!!!!!! > > > > They had a demo setup with a guitar into POD into the Repeater. I > > layed a volume swelled pad/drone on track 1, then switched to track 2 > > to lay in a more percussive riff. Now, these are seperate! Yay! > > two loops going simultaneously. hit the pitch button, engage track > > one and alter the pitch of track one up an octave. Pitch is shown on > > the front panel in semitones. > > > > This was a new one for me...I thought that you could change the pitch > > or time on a loop, but that all four tracks would be affected. Not > > so, to my delight. Wow. four independent tracks! On just one loop! > > well, not quite...there's only two active tracks on the pre-beta > > software at this point. > > > > Now i hit the pan button, engaged track 1 and shifted track 1 to hard > > left. engage track 2 and panned it hard right. Zowee! Then i > > engaged track 1 and track 2 and then started twisting the pan around. > > Wow. the two loops started fluctuating around in the stereo field. > > Did this mangling for about 20 seconds before i freaked out the > > software and it got stuck. oops. reboot. > > > > The time stretching is quite dramatic. I originally recorded at 120 > > bpm, and you can go down to like, 4 bpm, which introduced possibly > > interesting artifacts, especially if post-processed. think fat boy > > slim, here... > > > > One of the more interesting things i saw in the demo they did was > > that the pitch shifting can be preprogrammed, so when you lay that > > guitar riff in, what comes out on the first playback of the loop IS > > PITCHSHIFTED. cool. you don't have to wait for playback and then > > adjust pitch. > > > > there is more to the box, even in it's current state. i am going > > back on saturday and maybe sunday, so if anyone has very specific > > questions of something i can try out for ya, let me know. i will not > > ask them anything about ship dates and such, since i don't really > > feel like grilling Damon and the rest on behalf of LD. i'm sure he > > will hear enough of it from the list. > > > > seeya! > > > > rich > > > > > > > > >Pre-beta?? The last word from Damon was a problem with the power supply > > >suppliers the box was supposed to be out at least a month ago. What's > > >the hold-up, electrix? we're jonesin for our gear fixes... nothing worse > > >than a looper with the dt's... > > > > > >-><- > > > > > >On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Om_Audio wrote: > > > > > >> Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on > > >> to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man > > >> what a great box- > > >> > > >> Cliff > > >> > > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 14:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27605; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:45:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, anyone familiar w/ software development can tell you that a product as complex as an EDP/Boomerang/Repeater which is only now in alpha/beta could easily take... well, i won't even hazard a time frame. i bet Kim, Matthias, Mike & the other folks who have already gone through this got a chuckle at the reported remark of the rep at NAMM that it was more complex than they'd ever imagined: duh! if the report that only 2 tracks & one loop were just barely functioning at NAMM is acurate, then it could be a long time before the firmware is solid. usually there is a good chunck of time *after* software is feature complete before you get all the bugs worked out. bottom line for me is that *no one knows* yet how long it will take before Repeater will be solid enough to ship. in any case, it is kind of absurd to expect Damon, or any product rep, to divulge the internal guestimates of when a product will ship. just look what's happened to Damon (& Kim & co in the past) already because he volunteered the Jan/Feb timeline: now he's getting crap because that wasn't realistic. bet he won't do that again. Repeater will ship when (& if) it ships, period. i've got an album project scheduled for march. Repeater's reported feature set would be way cool for that, but if march gets here and Repeater doesn't i'll use what i've got (& maybe try to get a 2nd EDP if my stereo jones is strong enough). that's just the way it is, imnsho. hey, if you want to get really upset, just imagine what Gibson's response will be when Repeater is finally out: remember Kim's slip way back that Gibson would be selling EDPs quite a bit cheaper than Oberheim. never happened, but my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what Repeater will cost. think of the firestorm this will generate from folks who have recently bought Gibson EDPs at the what the current market lets them charge for it. dan "doesn't know when to stop" mcmullen :-) ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 14:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27932; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:55:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:46:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >in any case, it is kind of absurd to expect Damon, or any product rep, to >divulge the internal guestimates of when a product will ship. true enough...but Kim has also called Damon and other company reps out on the carpet in the past, since they are sortof 'using' the list to advertise their product, and get some scoop on desired features and such. if that's the case, i just think we deserved a better answer than, "hey guys, we're just waiting on a swanky new power supply". if it was going to be delayed by whatever amount of time...Damon would have garnered a bit more respect by just saying so. he could have even used the over-realistic formula (ya know that one? take your original estimate and double it?) and we would still be going "right on! make a bitchen machine!" and hell, i'm not even on the group buy and not planning on buying one well into next year probably... so, rich, then shut up....:) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28505; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A682FD3.7795@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:15:14 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: > This was a new one for me...I thought that you could change the pitch > or time on a loop, but that all four tracks would be affected. Not > so, to my delight. Wow. four independent tracks! On just one loop! Actually, I asked Damon specifically about time stretching in this manner, and he said that any time compression/expansion affected the entire loop, i.e. all four tracks at once. So, you CAN change the pitch on one discreet track within a loop without altering the pitch of other tracks, but when you timestretch, all four tracks are affected. You can't speed up or slow down one track while the other three stay at their original speed. Speed affects the entire loop, not individual tracks within it. God, can you imagine the software hassles is they DID try to implement independent timestrech for each individual track within a given loop?! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:21:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28906; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:18:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:18:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! From: Tommy Kochel To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005401c081df$8b7eb180$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 1/19/01 1:17 AM, Cliff wrote: > Saw and played with the infamous Repeater at NAMM- all I can say is hold on > to your hats and get ready for the ride! Software was pre beta but man o man > what a great box- > > Cliff > Cliff, Did you get a list price? Tommy Kochel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29163; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:21:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:21:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c08254$f932e5a0$5ab41597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: FORGET REPEATER!!! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:18:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:23:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29165; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68A350.174448AF@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:28:11 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Perception is---anything References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > Lemme just throw this out there-- if only in the spirit of: have you thought > this through, for yourself. i don't mean to begrudge your point, but thinking it through implies there's an endpoint to the process. with this kind of topic i'm not sure one can ever fully "think" it through... > > Is it not possible that *Perception is NOT everything*. perception may not be everything, but it IS the quality by which we mediate the world "out there". funny thing is, so far, by western science (or any other historical method), humans have been unable to show how it comes to be that there is a subject and an object. i mean, where do you draw the line? physically? well, do you then disregard the interpenetration of subtle matter, i.e. air molecules in your lungs? what lies behind your eyes, but more (and different forms) of what is out there in front of them? (loop content noted :-) > --That there are NOT > an infinite way to see anything- but, rather, one way that allows the > greatest appreciation of the thing. Maybe not everything is relative, but > absolute. > well, if we all shared the same set of eyes, optic nerves, brain, etc. but i think perhaps a deeper reality lies buried somewhere in these opposites. to rephrase your statement, "maybe everything is relative, but absolute." > > *Heresy! Run him off the list! Blasphemer of the sacred lessons of the > Enlightenment!* > > I notice this in putting a song together. Most of the time I settle with one > of the infinite possibilities. But SOMETIMES I find that absolutely perfect > thing [chord/word/sound/change] that had been there all along. how do you define "absolutely perfect"? is this not relative to your impression at that time? does everyone that hears it think so too? can your impression ever change? > What if > everything is like that? That means that there would be MOST RIGHT thing to > say to your girlfriend at a certain moment- as opposed to an infinite range > of possible things. There would be the MOST RIGHT time to get pregnant, the > right person to accompany you on your trip to Maui, the right song to play > at the wedding gig, the RIGHT way to raise your kids...The RIGHT delay unit > to buy... The RIGHT way to handle the rude clerk at the computer store... > > Maybe it's not all cool/good. just because things are relative does not make them "cool/good". > Maybe we need to search out the sublime. absolutely :-). i don't rule out the possibility that there is some greater self, reality, etc. that we might witness fleetingly from time to time which somehow communicates to us what is *sublime*, i.e. what accords with the established order (tao), etc. it may not be one thing to all, however...there is the great sufi parable about the elephant in the village of the blind. this is where the relative and the absolute somehow come together...we all perceive the world (the elephant) through our own particular means. there is no way to grasp its entirety, since this would imply an enlightenment beyond our current state (blindness)...yet we sometimes have the sense that the elephant does indeed exist, if only as a fleeting memory... > Maybe > there are folks out there who've subconsciously joined in an effort to make > us all think that there should be no standards-for anything. aha! a conspiracy! > And maybe they > are motivated by not wanting their limitations to be highlighted, next to > excellence perhaps it is more the desire not to be judged by foreign standards. > [excellence is the first thing to go when one believe that > perception is everything]... explain how a notion of excellence is necessarily at odds with a view of relativity? just because there may not be any absolute judge or standard, this does not mean that things can't be judged on their relative merits within a given context. it's just not so cut and dry, i think... thanks for your post. it made me think (and that doesn't happen that much around here on fridays!) best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30226; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:44:50 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Tommy Kochel wrote: > Did you get a list price? Musician's Friend has it listed on their web site with a list price of $749.99 and their price as $599.99 claiming that they are due in stock tomorrow (apply grain of salt with much vigor). -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:53:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30256; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! In-Reply-To: <004501c08254$f932e5a0$5ab41597@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Italo De Angelis wrote: > Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the > crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we > trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo Methinks someone needs to switch to decaf. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 15:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30501; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:55:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:55:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:51:50 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! In-Reply-To: <004501c08254$f932e5a0$5ab41597@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sheesh... way to hit the subject in the face with a shovel. Not all of us share this viewpoint. I'm still interested in getting one. It seems to be exactly what I need at the price point I can deal with. I need stereo, I need independent loop tracks, I need sick amounts of loop time, and compactflash is a bonus. Nothing else can do that in one box, except perhaps the orville, but I don't have hours to program another device, and I don't have a house to take out a second mortgage on. Unfortunately, I've lost some respect and trust in Electrix, as I'm sure we all have, but the fact remains that the repeater is the answer to a lot of my 'why can't they just implement so-and-so in hardware?' laments. Damon, if you're still on the list, I'm sure you're carefully wording a response to all this. I would suggest from a marketing standpoint reducing the fanfare for this product on your website until a realistic release date materializes. It just fuels disappointment when the inevitable delays happen. (what pun!) -><- On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Italo De Angelis wrote: > Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the > crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we > trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 16:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31425; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:15:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:15:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c0825c$6eb79120$5ab41597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: Subject: R: FORGET REPEATER!!! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:11:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I need exactly the same things you need Noah....but it seems they will take way more time. Just considering how many words (=ads) Damon spent on the list....Electrix is advertising Repeater on most magazines since many (6)months...they keep saying "Look for it in the shops this Fall" Come on...stop bullshitting the planet...do the right thing the right way : make a box, test it, start ads, sell it, make people happy and make your money. Love my Orville & Jamman. Let's see..................best regards Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: noah To: loopers-delight Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! > > Sheesh... way to hit the subject in the face with a shovel. > > Not all of us share this viewpoint. I'm still interested in getting one. > It seems to be exactly what I need at the price point I can deal with. I > need stereo, I need independent loop tracks, I need sick amounts of loop > time, and compactflash is a bonus. Nothing else can do that in one box, > except perhaps the orville, but I don't have hours to program another > device, and I don't have a house to take out a second mortgage on. > > Unfortunately, I've lost some respect and trust in Electrix, as I'm sure > we all have, but the fact remains that the repeater is the answer to a lot > of my 'why can't they just implement so-and-so in hardware?' laments. > > Damon, if you're still on the list, I'm sure you're carefully wording a > response to all this. I would suggest from a marketing standpoint reducing > the fanfare for this product on your website until a realistic release > date materializes. It just fuels disappointment when the inevitable delays > happen. (what pun!) > > -><- > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Italo De Angelis wrote: > > > Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the > > crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we > > trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 16:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31484; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c0825c$9bd4f1c0$5ab41597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: Subject: R: Repeater spotted! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:12:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adam...a price for what?....come on let's get serious! Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Levin To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Tommy Kochel wrote: > > > Did you get a list price? > > Musician's Friend has it listed on their web site with a list price of > $749.99 and their price as $599.99 claiming that they are due in stock > tomorrow (apply grain of salt with much vigor). > > -Adam > > --- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 16:40:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32070; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:38:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:38:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68A69A.1A3@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:42:03 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com honesty is always best, a concept salesmen and politicians seem to have a problem with its kind of insulting in that the liar seems to assume the listener can't cope with the truth in some way or the listener is being devalued as not deserving an upfront communication I've been looping for years in my studio and have been considering a live looper recently, the repeater has been looking good to me as a unit that could easily work in both environments and at the right price point I don't think damon needs to be demonized but it will make me question the unit a little more, maybe wait till some 3rd party reviews appear after release, make sure nothing other than the release date is exagerated. the current reviews seem to be positive but also that the unit is not currently doing what they say it will in previous adverts maybe if bill clinton had said "hey, I like nasty sex w/ women half my age, too damn bad" we all would have questioned his taste in women in stead of his character perhaps if some of these retailers would work to develop a more open communication w/ thier users(electrix is not alone in this) WE would be thier best salemen! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 16:42:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32129; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:40:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:40:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101192139.NAA09493@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:45:00 -0800 Subject: Echoplex Positively Spotted From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: altomusic@altomusic.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeesh, Reapeter this, Repeater that, whine, whine, whine. Can we please give poor Damon & Co. a break? He is one guy in the spot light for a whole company with a new product and is most likely doing his best to make it a huge success. On the other hand, my new EDP from Alto just arrived. Boy these guys have a sense of humor! This is my second Gibson EDP from Alto this year. Both were sent in a Fender box! :-) Thanks again to Jon at Alto! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 16:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32492; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:47:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:47:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <034601c08260$46b34940$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200101192139.NAA09493@proxy2.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Positively Spotted Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On the other hand, my new EDP from Alto just arrived. Boy these guys have a > sense of humor! This is my second Gibson EDP from Alto this year. Both > were sent in a Fender box! :-) Wait! Is that a TWEED EDP???? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:01:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00761; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:49:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Damon, if you're still on the list, I'm sure you're carefully wording a >response to all this. I would suggest from a marketing standpoint reducing >the fanfare for this product on your website until a realistic release >date materializes. It just fuels disappointment when the inevitable delays >happen. (what pun!) and i'm just thinking maybe Damon isn't able to check his mail while he's away at the Namm show, only to come back to work and see all of this... what fun next week will be... should i say hello and give him a heads up tomorrow??? kindof like getting word of tensions second hand..."hey, dude, there are some pretty pissed off people at you back at the fort...better watch your step..." :) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00760; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:59:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08220.BA5E9920.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: FORGET REPEATER!!! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:04:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think we know exaclty what is going on in the Electrix workshop. Perhaps the transformer had to be changed as well as the software, and Damon wasn't aware that the software was not going to be ready in time? bIz On Friday, January 19, 2001 12:42 PM, T [SMTP:iyam@bellsouth.net] wrote: > honesty is always best, a concept salesmen and politicians seem to have > a problem with > > its kind of insulting in that the liar seems to assume the listener > can't cope with the truth in some way or the listener is being devalued > as not deserving an upfront communication > > I've been looping for years in my studio and have been considering a > live looper recently, the repeater has been looking good to me as a unit > that could easily work in both environments and at the right price point > > I don't think damon needs to be demonized but it will make me question > the unit a little more, maybe wait till some 3rd party reviews appear > after release, make sure nothing other than the release date is > exagerated. the current reviews seem to be positive but also that the > unit is not currently doing what they say it will in previous adverts > > maybe if bill clinton had said "hey, I like nasty sex w/ women half my > age, too damn bad" we all would have questioned his taste in women in > stead of his character > > perhaps if some of these retailers would work to develop a more open > communication w/ thier users(electrix is not alone in this) WE would be > thier best salemen! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01575; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:25:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:25:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:23:38 -0600 Subject: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 From: keith rowley-yugen To: Loopers-Delight List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA01530 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool new looping software from Cycling '74 to be coming soon. Looks very powerful: http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html -- *-=========================================-* Keith Rowley Network Manager II - Mac OS Texas A&M University-- Corpus Christi (361) 825-6038 email: krowley@falcon.tamucc.edu website: http://www2.tamucc.edu/~yugen/ *-=========================================-* -ergatés From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:35:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01741; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68BF99.5746079E@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:28:41 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: crystal balls and looper fixes References: <200101192023.PAA29369@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_uygXB.A.9a.a9La6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sigh. Now what's a poor looper wanna-be like me gonna do ? :( I've got the "gotta haves" for a looper pretty badly right now. After all the helpful advice about the Lexicon Vortex (a belated *thank you* to everyone who helped in that decision), I bought one back in Dec. After just a day or two of playing with the 2 sec looper, I ran out and bought a DL4 (with the help of the LD archive of course!). I was meant to loop!!! I've been just loving this little beast, but the 28 sec limit, lack of undo and feedback control, and absence of midi have me really chomping at the bit for the "next level". And the Repeater was going to be it. In Nov, I mean in Jan, I mean in ... I agree with Noah about them taking their time. They should, and when the Repeater does come out, whenever that is, I'm sure that I'll grab one. The lack of forthrightness on Damon's part is unfortunate. Perhaps he'll realize out of this this it's best to be straight with bad news, and to temper optimism (now if only I could learn that one about optimism! lol). Be that as it may, I need to figure out what's next. I think that Dan's right about the EDP taking a price nosedive once Repeater hits the streets. So, do I continue on, patiently, waiting, biding my time, being a good boy? Or do I just "go for" the EDP, realizing that I'll probably spend several hundred dollars more to get it now than I would if I bought the same unit 6 months from now? Yes, probably so. I just can't wait any longer. I can't wait. I can't ... I can't .... arrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh ! Well, I imagine I'll be toodling over to Alto Music sometime this weekend :) When I come up for air, I'll let y'all know how it's going. BTW, thanks again for all the virtual and vicarious encouragement; you guys are great! Elby > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:45:32 -0800 > From: dan mcmullen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > folks, > > anyone familiar w/ software development can tell you that a product as > complex as an EDP/Boomerang/Repeater which is only now in alpha/beta could > easily take... well, i won't even hazard a time frame. i bet Kim, > Matthias, Mike & the other folks who have already gone through this got a > chuckle at the reported remark of the rep at NAMM that it was more complex > than they'd ever imagined: duh! if the report that only 2 tracks & one > loop were just barely functioning at NAMM is acurate, then it could be a > long time before the firmware is solid. usually there is a good chunck of > time *after* software is feature complete before you get all the bugs > worked out. bottom line for me is that *no one knows* yet how long it will > take before Repeater will be solid enough to ship. > > in any case, it is kind of absurd to expect Damon, or any product rep, to > divulge the internal guestimates of when a product will ship. just look > what's happened to Damon (& Kim & co in the past) already because he > volunteered the Jan/Feb timeline: now he's getting crap because that wasn't > realistic. bet he won't do that again. Repeater will ship when (& if) it > ships, period. i've got an album project scheduled for march. Repeater's > reported feature set would be way cool for that, but if march gets here and > Repeater doesn't i'll use what i've got (& maybe try to get a 2nd EDP if my > stereo jones is strong enough). that's just the way it is, imnsho. > > hey, if you want to get really upset, just imagine what Gibson's response > will be when Repeater is finally out: remember Kim's slip way back that > Gibson would be selling EDPs quite a bit cheaper than Oberheim. never > happened, but my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace > Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way > for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what > Repeater will cost. think of the firestorm this will generate from folks > who have recently bought Gibson EDPs at the what the current market lets > them charge for it. > > dan "doesn't know when to stop" mcmullen :-) > ___ > dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention > mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 > pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:38:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01941; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:36:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:36:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:35:24 EST Subject: Re: Gig spam: Seattle-->Electrochakra @ Hurricane Cafe, Wed. 1/17/01 7PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a8.ffa5cd8.279a1b2c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a8.ffa5cd8.279a1b2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/01 11:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > The new CD will be available. It's not free. > travis.......how do i get one of these?.......michael --part1_a8.ffa5cd8.279a1b2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/01 11:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:


The new CD will be available.  It's not free.


travis.......how do i get one of these?.......michael --part1_a8.ffa5cd8.279a1b2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:40:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02003; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6854BB.7F50@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:43 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: > should i say hello and give him a heads up tomorrow??? kindof like > getting word of tensions second hand..."hey, dude, there are some > pretty pissed off people at you back at the fort...better watch your > step..." :) Better yet, you can tell him that there's a shitstorm brewing because of info that was relayed to the list by... um, yourself! I think Repeater has it over the EDP in one way for sure: Damon has now inherited from Kim the loopist throne of Resident Convenient Target for Dubiously Justified Derision. Jeez, I wasn't planning on going back to NAMM, but now I'm tempted to go to the list meeting on Saturday afternoon just to watch Kim give Damon a crash course in managing list member abuse... --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 17:42:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02204; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:40:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:40:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68C28C.E583FE61@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:41:16 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: analog delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the Big Briar site: "with delay times as short as 40 milliseconds to as long as 0.8 seconds" >From the Blacet site: "Delays From 10 mS to 2 Seconds" John may be using a part with a short delay, but if so, he's using more of them. At half the price, and twice the delay time, the Blacet module sounds like a great deal. Is there a difference in the audio quality of these two units? Now if only the Time Machine came in one of those cute little floor pedals! Elby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: analog delays From: Mark Pulver Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:32:47 -0800 In-Reply-To: Old-Return-Path: >lol - anyhow - So what I am hearing then is that the Moog >is THE analog delay to get. How about a close second that is to be had >under $400? The Blacet Time Machine: http://www.blacet.com/ $309 assembled, $229 kit, but you need to add a case and power supply. The price of a good analog delay is high 'cause of the price of the BBD's (bucket brigade delay) these days. I helped find the chip stash that Bob bought to use in the MF-104, so I know what he paid for them. They're pricey. :) John (Blacet) is using a similar part, but it offers less delay time. Also, most (quality) analog delays will have a compressor of some sort in them, that helps get the characteristic sound. But it also adds to the cost. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 18:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02965; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68C692.22EB9073@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:58:26 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: analog delays References: <3A68C28C.E583FE61@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >From the Big Briar site: "with delay times as short as 40 milliseconds > to as long as 0.8 seconds" > > >From the Blacet site: "Delays From 10 mS to 2 Seconds" > > John may be using a part with a short delay, but if so, he's using more of > them. At half the price, and twice the delay time, the Blacet module > sounds like a great deal. Is there a difference in the audio quality of > these two units? I've got the Time machine and have heard something things from the Big Briar. I don't think it's really accurate to compare times and prices since IMO they are very different sounding machines as well as having very different construction. The Big Briar unit is a standalone wooden cased monster with 1/4" jacks, the Time Machine is a great solid 1/8" modular synth module. Both offer various CV ins and such but I think they do slightly different things. at the longer delay times the TM has a *very* low resolution. Cool effect but don't expect this to be usable in ever application. You are not getting a Digital 2 sec delay here, at times you might not even be able to hear it depending on the other settings and your source. That said I decided to buy the Time Machine not only because of cost but because I wanted a 1/8" module to use with my other modular synth stuff. I like what it does (hell I like all of John's designs!) I put up a 4 minute rough demo fo the Time Machine here for anyone interested in what it can do: http://legion.retrosynth.com/timem.mp3 This is simply a loop taken from a Doepfer A112 lofi sampler module run into the time machine with real time tweaking. The hiss/hum is NOT from the Time Machine. It is consistently in there and was a buzz added by my mixer and/or sound card. My bad but at least you can hear the wackiness of the TM and see what it can do. The TM itself is rather quiet IMO. > Now if only the Time Machine came in one of those cute little floor > pedals! Well it does have five CV in's. Buy any CV floor pedal you wish and go nuts controlling the Blacet with your feet. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 19:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04915; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:14:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:14:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A68D8B8.7761E0A0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:15:53 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: FORGET REPEATER!!! References: <008001c0825c$6eb79120$5ab41597@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate to say it, but when Electrix said that they were delaying shipment due to a power supply redesign problem, I know they were totally bullshitting. At the time of this announcement, the units should have been sitting in distribution centers ready to ship. Something else is wrong, and Electrix is embarrassed to admit it. What is it? Probably software issues, but who knows? All I know is that it doesn't exist. Why did they lie about the ship date? Probably to see how many advance orders they'd get so that they could better estimate manufacture costs. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 19:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05485; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:35:44 -0800 Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the >crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we >trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo Oh, calm down. I'm sure Damon told us as much as he could given what he knew and/or what he could publicly comment on. Maybe (probably) Electrix knew the release date was going to slip again--this happens. Why didn't they immediately tell us and all their competitors? Because that's the reality of business. It's almost always better to put off releasing bad news until absolutely necessary. Maybe other manufacturers put off or cancelled their plans for a looper because they thought Electrix was going to fill the available market space along with the EDP. That would be good for Electrix (and for the EDP). The MI business is a tough one. In the meantime, if you have to have a full-featured hardware looping solution, buy an EDP, if you can find one. It's that simple. The world of the looping musician is an expensive one. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06490; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:04:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:04:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD7F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: FORGET REPEATER Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:02:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0827C.B0CAA500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0827C.B0CAA500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" when it causes your car to flip over and kill you - - that would be time to get so upset. stig -----Original Message----- From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:36 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER >Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the >crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we >trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo Oh, calm down. I'm sure Damon told us as much as he could given what he knew and/or what he could publicly comment on. Maybe (probably) Electrix knew the release date was going to slip again--this happens. Why didn't they immediately tell us and all their competitors? Because that's the reality of business. It's almost always better to put off releasing bad news until absolutely necessary. Maybe other manufacturers put off or cancelled their plans for a looper because they thought Electrix was going to fill the available market space along with the EDP. That would be good for Electrix (and for the EDP). The MI business is a tough one. In the meantime, if you have to have a full-featured hardware looping solution, buy an EDP, if you can find one. It's that simple. The world of the looping musician is an expensive one. TravisH ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0827C.B0CAA500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: FORGET REPEATER

when it causes your car to flip over and kill you - - that would be time to get so upset.

stig

-----Original Message-----
From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 4:36 PM
To: Looper's Delight
Subject: Re: FORGET REPEATER


>Maybe...maybe ....next Winter NAMM we might check if Damon & co. have the
>crappy thing up and running! In the meantime, Damon, tell us how can we
>trust your words anymore!?!?............Italo

Oh, calm down. 
I'm sure Damon told us as much as he could given what he knew and/or what he
could publicly comment on.  Maybe (probably) Electrix knew the release date
was going to slip again--this happens.  Why didn't they immediately tell us
and all their competitors?  Because that's the reality of business.  It's
almost always better to put off releasing bad news until absolutely
necessary.  Maybe other manufacturers put off or cancelled their plans for a
looper because they thought Electrix was going to fill the available market
space along with the EDP.  That would be good for Electrix (and for the
EDP).  The MI business is a tough one.

In the meantime, if you have to have a full-featured hardware looping
solution, buy an EDP, if you can find one.  It's that simple.  The world of
the looping musician is an expensive one.

TravisH

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0827C.B0CAA500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:25:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06879; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:23:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:23:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010119172608.00a1db10@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:26:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: mistakes, lies and Repeater In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, though it is barely possible lies were told, it seem much more plausible to me that "mistakes were made". how many of you have made overly optimistic estimates of how little time a major, new project would take? but really, *we don't know*. in that case, wouldn't it make more sense to *ask* Damon what's up before calling him a liar? for the present, & if the reports are true, Electrix has a warehouse full of paid for boxes they *can't ship*. don't you think they are making every effort to remedy this situation? i propose we ask Damon (after giving him a bit of a rest from NAMM) how we can make donations to a Repeater Developers Late Night Jolt and Pizza Fund. they can probably use all the support they can get right now. (i'll send some Peet's coffee!) dan "we're all doing the best we can" mcmullen ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:35:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07223; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:34:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:34:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: jahunt@jahunt.inbox.email.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:31:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jennifer Anne Hunt Subject: Fwd: Dr. Sbaitso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <200101192033312.SM00190@peoriagirl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:25:09 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Jennifer Anne Hunt >Subject: Dr. Sbaitso > >I was reading the page and noticed that someone had the install to Dr. Sbaitso! Is there anyway that I can have it sent to me? My best friend from 2nd grade and I used to play that on her old computer constantly; we'd always type "crazy" and Sbaitso would go nuts. > >thanks, Jennifer A. Hunt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07385; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:38:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:38:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:45:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Future Repeater Users Manifesto (was Re: Repeater spotted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >It's an age-old story... the engineers set deadlines for >themselves under pressure from management, marketing goes into overdrive >for the product launch, and it keeps getting pushed back until finally >marketing and/or management can't take it anymore and push the half-baked >product out the door, much to the dismay of the users. The engineers keep >working to support the thing with endless patches, but the damage has been >done, and the product's reputation is shot. This is exactly what happened to the first soft release of the Echoplex (there was no beta test for version 3.5!), with the difference that Gibson did not even care about the bugs nor pay me, so I did not upgrade... but thats long over... Kim fixed that situation and insisted until 5.0 was really bug free. >If there's a remote chance it's not going to be ready by March, say so now >and take the pressure off yourselves so that we the users can have a >product we can trust. I can't speak for the rest of the group, but I'll >wait. I would rather hear "It'll be done when it's done" than "It'll be >ready by january! I mean march! I mean june! umm... 2003?" right! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:45:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07605; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:44:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:50:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4LpxfD.A.E2B.D1Oa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Power supply? bullshit...The demo guy said "We totally >underestimated the complexity of this machine". hmm... we did not really beleave the supply story, did we? >Only one loop was active, and only two tracks of that one loop were available. uau! So please dont make another war if the soft is not ready in march! I had a loop going in the loop delay after a month, and after a year it was as bug free as you heard about :-) ... well, I had no experience either... >Yay! two loops going simultaneously. hit the pitch button, engage >track one and alter the pitch of track one up an octave. Pitch is >shown on the front panel in semitones. awsome... I wait for one of those... >The time stretching is quite dramatic. I originally recorded at 120 >bpm, and you can go down to like, 4 bpm, which introduced possibly >interesting artifacts, especially if post-processed. think fat boy >slim, here... I especially wonder whether a slight stretching introduces no artefacts? ;-) >One of the more interesting things i saw in the demo they did was >that the pitch shifting can be preprogrammed, so when you lay that >guitar riff in, what comes out on the first playback of the loop IS >PITCHSHIFTED. cool. you don't have to wait for playback and then >adjust pitch. AMS did that in the early eighties, but it costed twenty times more! >so if anyone has very specific questions of something i can try out >for ya, let me know. yes, please, connect to a clock source and change the speed a bit to see whether the loop realy follows exactly without artefacts, that would be my favourite feature! I am somewhat tired of the constant speed loops, the "beat prison". -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 20:45:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07609; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01C08220.BA5E9920.Jonathan@full-moon.com> References: <01C08220.BA5E9920.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:50:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: FORGET REPEAT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't think we know exaclty what is going on in the Electrix workshop. >Perhaps the transformer had to be changed as well as the software, and >Damon wasn't aware that the software was not going to be ready in time? Software can easily take ten times more time to develop than planned. And you guys added delay by asking more features, (the last EDP features they had not taken over yet :-) and they may be not as easy as it seems... I am amazed about all that footstomping by adult people. What did you contribute that gives you the right to receive anything? Ok, Damon may have applied some sales speach, but noone lost anything yet, did you? Ever heard of the power of positive thinking? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 21:04:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08675; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:02:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:02:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:09:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace >Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way >for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what >Repeater will cost. Impossible. I hope the price drops a bit once production is established and the find cheaper parts, but to reduce it more than 10-20%, we would have to redesign it, which we did not start yet... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 21:14:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09028; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08244.3ADE2D40.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: mistakes, lies and Repeater Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:18:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9VksX.A.uMC.mQPa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > for the present, & if the reports are true, Electrix has a warehouse full > of paid for boxes they *can't ship*. don't you think they are making every > effort to remedy this situation? > They've also been advertising in the electronic music magazines quite aggressively - a rather wasteful expense if you are just 'gauging demand' or 'vapour-wareing the market' or 'evily-being-mean-to-innocent-loopers'. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 21:19:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09179; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:17:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:17:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010119182046.00a52dc0@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:20:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: Re: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2KF8kD.A.HPC.zUPa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:09 AM 1/20/01 -0300, Matthias wrote: >>...my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace >>Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way >>for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what >>Repeater will cost. > >Impossible. I hope the price drops a bit once production is >established and the find cheaper parts, but to reduce it more than >10-20%, we would have to redesign it, which we did not start yet... Matthias, thanks for this feedback. can you tell us a bit more? haven't the parts gotten quite a bit cheaper over the years since the original design? if this is the case, & with no criticism intended, i expect that the plex will become a 2nd, "gourmet" looper for the hardcore folks when (& if) repeater ships in quantity. i wonder if sales will be sufficient for Gibson to keep it alive? ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 21:21:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09294; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater Delay Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:18:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2001 02:18:58.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[587CE5B0:01C08287] Resent-Message-ID: <7Jn7SC.A.CRC.xWPa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I work in the computer gaming industry, and I am extremely used to the sound of 16-year-old gaming fans screaming that the latest game they were "promised" is being delayed for "another" six months. However I must admit that I am very taken aback by the response certain otherwise very intelligent members of this list have had to the Repeater's delay. It comes down to this: "Do you want it now, or do you want it right?" Any fly-by-night company can promise the Godhead 950xl with an alpha and omega list of features, and then deliver a device on time that sucks the cream out of an ass pastry. Buggy, crappy, does nothing that they promised, but hey, it was on time. As a manufacturer/developer you live and die by the final product not by arbitrary deadlines that you set two years previously. Because when it is all said and done, and you finally deliver something that is everything that people wanted and everyone is happy, no one will remember that it was late (until your next product is late) but everyone will remember the crappy thing that you released "on time." And so you feel betrayed and justified because Damon "lied to us." Do me a favor and name one company in the world that doesn't try to put a spin on something they know their target audience is going to be unhappy with. You sure were happy enough to take it for granted when he was taking the time to share ideas and concepts with us and offering us glimpses that the rest of the public didn't get access to. Sure he was building up hype and more than a little self-marketing at the same time but you and I were lapping it up at the time and I for one appreciate the time and info. So calm down, and realize that you aren't really mad at Electrix for "not having it when they promised," you are really just mad in general that you "didn't get to have it when you wanted it." Please stop the overly emotional tirade against Electrix. They don't suck, they are a great company (the FilterFactory rocks) and if they deliver everything they promise in March (or August, or next year) the truth is all the complaining and whining you are making now is gonna sound like just so much complaining and whining. Because you know what? You are still going to buy it. Sorry, rant over. -Skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 22:27:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10845; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:26:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:26:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0824E.560063E0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Composition and music list? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:30:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I was browsing the Namm sites last night, I came to an epiphany. I'm rarely making music these days, and rarely discussing it in real terms with my peers and putting myself in places that motivate me to create. I want to start a new mailing list dedicated to the discussion of contemporary techniques of music composition and expression - minimal gear discussion, minimal computer talk, nothing that wasn't focused on the techniques of actually >making< of music, and of achieving those techniques - melody writing, drum programming, playing over chord changes, structuring songs, looping and effects techniques, and whatever it is that you do to >make< your music. I want this to be a place where people - can post unfinished/half finished musical ideas and receive feedback. - discuss the actual creation of melodies/harmonies and sounds; the noise you make and the techniques that make it. - ask questions like: I want to be able to do XXX. Can you? How? I don't know what I want to do with all this cool gear. How should I start to find out what I really want to do? What are >you< doing? How do you write your songs? What comes first for you? Got any ideas on how to finish this one? I'd also like to know if anyone would be interested in a small, somewhat structured group of people, dedicated to improving their craft; a sort of online musical support group :>. I think that it would be best to keep such a group smaller, perhaps four or five people at the most, all dedicated to improving a particular aspect of their musical abilities. It wouldn't matter completely if the goals of the members weren't related - it's foremost a support/motivation group. Ideally the group would be of people at similar stages of experience in music making, and it would be an added bonus if the members were involved in similar types of music, but neither would be really necessary if the commitment from the members was there. The group would be more structured than just a mailing list, with everyone committing to an specific individual short-term goal. The goals committed to would be results oriented (not just 'I want to be a better musician'), be feasibly achieved in a 3(?) month period and worked on throughout the period. Each member would be required to keep the rest of the group updated weekly on their progress, perhaps via audio clips and provide feedback on audio and music that the others in the group for the others in the group. Every three months, the group would disband, and reform, maybe with a new set of members, and everyone could work on something else. Perhaps a moderator could update a web page of the groups member's weekly progress. (more to strengthen the feeling of commitment and progress than for anyone else's use). Since the people involved would be sharing works in progress and/or parts of the musicality that they aren't comfortable with, they would need to be non-threatening, results oriented with a 'we're all in this together, and you don't need to hide the crappy stuff from us' focus. The bluntness that has been surfacing on the Looper's Delight mailing list lately would need... rephrasing... Members would have to be able to commit to keeping the group updated on their progress each week, commit to provide feedback to the others: on the other groups weekly progress, and to other questions they posed to the group in their pursuit of excellence. While what you would receive from such group would probably correlate to what you were able to put in, flakiness would create a detrimental environment for others so it's really important that if you decide to join, you know you have the time and motivation to see it through to the end. I have worked in online collaborative groups before (I've even produced a retail market video game this way), so I'm aware how flakiness can reduce the usefulness of such an exercise, but I've also seen it blossom, and be very profitable (in all senses of the word). I think that a support group like this would work pretty well, if committed members could be found. Besides, I know I need one, to combat my inherent flakiness :> If you could use either of these mailing lists like this, and (for the second one) can really, really commit to being involved for 3 months, let me know privately : jonathan@full-moon.com If there's enough interest, I'll set them up, and announce it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 23:34:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12287; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6914B8.9308736B@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:31:53 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feeling better References: <200101192303.SAA03032@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm feeling much better now :) I'm back from 3 hours on the road to Alto music with rain and snow coming down (sometimes ya just *gotta* have a fix!), and now that I'm home, I've spent a bit of time playing with my new EDP. Cool !!!! This baby is going to keep me busy for a *long* time. And I'm sure I'll join the "how do you ..." crowd just as soon as I've finished working through the manual At some point, perhaps I'll even have some ideas to contribute :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 19 23:49:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12664; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47D2@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Dr. Sbaitso Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah dr.sbaitso that proram was a blast, in fact, one of my cats is named sbaitso because of that program cool!!!! Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - > >I was reading the page and noticed that someone had the install to Dr. Sbaitso! Is there anyway that I can have it sent to me? My best friend from 2nd grade and I used to play that on her old computer constantly; we'd always type "crazy" and Sbaitso would go nuts. > >thanks, Jennifer A. Hunt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 00:08:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13413; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:07:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:07:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015f01c0829e$9392f7e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <008001c0825c$6eb79120$5ab41597@default> <3A68D8B8.7761E0A0@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: R: FORGET REPEATER!!! Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys, it's a box that plays back notes. We're not waiting for a new kidney here. Relax. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: Re: R: FORGET REPEATER!!! > I hate to say it, but when Electrix said that they were delaying > shipment due to a power supply redesign problem, I know they were > totally bullshitting. At the time of this announcement, the units > should have been sitting in distribution centers ready to ship. > Something else is wrong, and Electrix is embarrassed to admit it. What > is it? Probably software issues, but who knows? All I know is that it > doesn't exist. Why did they lie about the ship date? Probably to see > how many advance orders they'd get so that they could better estimate > manufacture costs. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 00:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13580; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:10:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:10:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <24.1003ecb6.279a776c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:09:00 EST Subject: bet you didnt even know i was gone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.1003ecb6.279a776c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.1003ecb6.279a776c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got my computer back today after being without it since monday.....i had to get a new hard drive, lost everything on the machine (all addresses, everything, todo el mundo) what a bust.....217 e-mails, was there a big sale on coffee?.....yikes!....guitar player mag has an intervirw and a picture of dt (i hope that wasnt one of those "illegal" milkcrates dt!).....very interesting not having a computer for several days, you do a whole lot more playing.....anyway, im back and im watchin ya all very closely....:).....michael p.s. a very neat picture from nasa.......< http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg --part1_24.1003ecb6.279a776c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just got my computer back today after being without it since monday.....i had
to get a new hard drive, lost everything on the machine (all addresses,
everything, todo el mundo) what a bust.....217 e-mails, was there a big sale
on coffee?.....yikes!....guitar player mag has an intervirw and a picture of
dt (i hope that wasnt one of those "illegal" milkcrates dt!).....very
interesting not having a computer for several days, you do a whole lot more
playing.....anyway, im back and im watchin ya all very
closely....:).....michael
p.s. a very neat picture from nasa.......<
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg --part1_24.1003ecb6.279a776c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 00:31:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14176; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:30:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:30:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:29:36 EST Subject: Re: Composition and music list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.f00f237.279a7c40_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a2.f00f237.279a7c40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/01 10:26:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > I want to start a new mailing list dedicated to the discussion of > contemporary techniques of music composition and expression - minimal gear > discussion, minimal computer talk, nothing that wasn't focused on the > techniques of actually >making< of music, and of achieving those techniques > - melody writing, drum programming, playing over chord changes, structuring > songs, looping and effects techniques, and whatever it is that you do to > >make< your music. > > jonathan.....we do something like this over at CT-COLLECTIVE.....if you havent already, please checked out .....michael --part1_a2.f00f237.279a7c40_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/01 10:26:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Jonathan@full-moon.com writes:


I want to start a new mailing list dedicated to the discussion of
contemporary techniques of music composition and expression - minimal gear
discussion, minimal computer talk, nothing that wasn't focused on the
techniques of actually >making< of music, and of achieving those techniques
- melody writing, drum programming, playing over chord changes, structuring
songs, looping and effects techniques, and whatever it is that you do to
>make< your music.



jonathan.....we do something like this over at CT-COLLECTIVE.....if you
havent already, please checked out <www.loopxchange.com>.....michael --part1_a2.f00f237.279a7c40_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 00:53:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14625; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:52:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:52:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:51:25 EST Subject: experience loop & Macintosh? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for 29.00 on ebay ). Anyone know about Mixman for Mac?? Many Thanks Paul Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 00:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14922; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c082a5$bf441a20$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:56:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Look at Bithead's "Phrazer" that is brand new- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: experience loop & Macintosh? > Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? > Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for > 29.00 on ebay ). > > Anyone know about Mixman for Mac?? > > Many Thanks Paul > Paul Adams Lakefront > Records > > MP3.com/PaulAdams > > > MP3.com/DavidHoffman > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15659; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:19:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Feeling better Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3A6914B8.9308736B@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4G_wzD.A.c0D.-2Sa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I long to feel as you do... to gaze upon the refined lines of an industry leader, to feel in my very own hands a product created with the most exquisite craftsmanship and uncompromising attention to detail, to cradle next to my own heart this looper that spawned so much musicality simply because it was so charmingly designed with sweet and tender love... and then to wax eloquently through naive discombobulations as any new looper would! ... as I reach out - reach out mightily! - for inspiration and hope and meaning and love... and indeed... the very essence of life itself. It is these things that are worth having. This offers me the kind of inner peace and contentment that I have not felt in a most long while. I can see that now. So, yes, I long to feel as you do, Elby... you, who are now the proud owner of a looping product that is actually shipping. I salute you. And I shall call Alto tomorrow. Kevin > I'm feeling much better now :) I'm back from 3 hours on the road to > Alto music with rain and snow coming down (sometimes ya just *gotta* > have a fix!), and now that I'm home, I've spent a bit of time playing > with my new EDP. Cool !!!! This baby is going to keep me busy for a > *long* time. And I'm sure I'll join the "how do you ..." crowd just as > soon as I've finished working through the manual At some point, > perhaps I'll even have some ideas to contribute :) > > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15773; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:22:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:22:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120062139.61030.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Need more aux sends? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pull out your wallet! http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Shure/PR/AuxPander.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:32:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16057; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120063024.77341.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: KAoss Mixer. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5N0rn.A.d6D.ECTa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm...What happens it you hook the AUX SEND EXPANDER to the KAoss MIXER? http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Korg/PR/KM2.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:33:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16120; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.241.99] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Are there creative elephants? Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:31:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2001 06:31:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[959C6600:01C082AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another followup to the creativity thread. Check out this website: http://www.mulatta.org/Thaielephantorch.html Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:34:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16151; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:32:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:32:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:32:20 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: more NAMM gear: new Korg Kaoss Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes will use my Korg Kaoss Pad, not just for the effects, but for the short (5-6 second sampling) loop. It's clumsy, it's about as granular as a rock (not sand) garden, but it works. Now I see this as part of the NAMM coverage: http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Korg/PR/KM2.html "Sampling on the KM-2 has been enhanced [from the original Kaoss], with an expanded 23 seconds of sampling time at a 44.1 kHz/16-bit sampling rate. Samples can be taken from the mic/phono or line inputs and the user can even sample through the KAOSS Pad's effects, including any realtime movements. There are four dedicated sampling buttons so samples can be triggered independently from the pad's effects. When the samples are assigned to the pad the user has control over scratching, re-looping, pitch-changing and a host of radical performance possibilities." Cool. Sampling length of the Akai Headrush with a ton of effects. Obviously more of a performance-oriented sampler than a true looper. -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:41:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16409; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:40:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:40:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120063943.3831.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Of course, you've got to hook something to those aux sends! To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4ZDwQD.A.MAE.sKTa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Eventide/PR/Eclipse.html http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/TC_Electronic/PR/G-Major.html http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Alesis/PR/Ineko.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:45:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16539; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:44:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120064430.19758.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Does this mean I can play a synth with my feet? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And, could anyone tell the difference? http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Alesis/PR/airSynth.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 01:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16653; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:48:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120064759.81946.qmail@web10012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: F**k it!!! Just buy a Mac instead! To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/BIAS/PR/Vbox.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 02:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17327; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:03:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:03:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010120070311.27710.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: crystal balls and looper fixes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it makes you feel any better, I paid a premium price for my EDP 3 or 4 years ago & have never felt ripped off. I also have the Vortex & DL-4 as well as a Digitech RDS 7.6. I'll have a Repeater also if they ever come to market. Look at it this way. It's cheaper than collecting classic cars! John --- Mountain Man wrote: > Sigh. Now what's a poor looper wanna-be like me > gonna do ? :( I've got the "gotta > haves" for a looper pretty badly right now. After > all the helpful advice about the > Lexicon Vortex (a belated *thank you* to everyone > who helped in that decision), I bought > one back in Dec. After just a day or two of playing > with the 2 sec looper, I ran out > and bought a DL4 (with the help of the LD archive of > course!). I was meant to loop!!! > I've been just loving this little beast, but the 28 > sec limit, lack of undo and feedback > control, and absence of midi have me really chomping > at the bit for the "next level". > And the Repeater was going to be it. In Nov, I mean > in Jan, I mean in ... > > I agree with Noah about them taking their time. > They should, and when the Repeater does > come out, whenever that is, I'm sure that I'll grab > one. The lack of forthrightness on > Damon's part is unfortunate. Perhaps he'll realize > out of this this it's best to be > straight with bad news, and to temper optimism (now > if only I could learn that one about > optimism! lol). > > Be that as it may, I need to figure out what's next. > I think that Dan's right about the > EDP taking a price nosedive once Repeater hits the > streets. So, do I continue on, > patiently, waiting, biding my time, being a good > boy? Or do I just "go for" the > EDP, realizing that I'll probably spend several > hundred dollars more to get it now than > I would if I bought the same unit 6 months from now? > Yes, probably so. I just can't > wait any longer. I can't wait. I can't ... I can't > .... arrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh ! ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 02:17:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17497; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:15:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:15:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c082b1$2bd55f40$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <20010120063024.77341.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: all this new NAMM stuff Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haha great now I'm going to have musical blueballs and a bad case of the shouldawaiteds. still, it's nice to see that the new stuff is more intelligently designed. thanks for showing us the highlights guys From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 02:44:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17801; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:42:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:42:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composition and music list? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:41:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2001 07:41:12.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C469E70:01C082B4] Resent-Message-ID: <4SVUT.A.8VE.zEUa6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd hate to call you on this Michael, especially when you just got back, but there really isn't a lot of discussion of 'contemporary techniques' at the CT-Collective. We do talk about the techniques we're going to use for specific projects, but a lot of that is in the seperate project lists. Most of what the CT Collective discusses is the actual compilations that we do. Matt >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >In a message dated 1/19/01 10:26:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Jonathan@full-moon.com writes: > > > > I want to start a new mailing list dedicated to the discussion of > > contemporary techniques of music composition and expression - minimal >gear > > discussion, minimal computer talk, nothing that wasn't focused on the > > techniques of actually >making< of music, and of achieving those >techniques > > - melody writing, drum programming, playing over chord changes, >structuring > > songs, looping and effects techniques, and whatever it is that you do to > > >make< your music. > > > > > >jonathan.....we do something like this over at CT-COLLECTIVE.....if you >havent already, please checked out .....michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 04:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19591; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:48:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:48:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c082c5$f14d0a20$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010120062139.61030.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Need more aux sends? Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:46:22 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hm, looks similar to a Paia project Craig Anderton could do. But, being realistic, O Electronic Engineers here, is the cost of this unit that justified by more than the absence of same? Or could one put together such a device for less than $100? By the way, are the lights still on out there, folks? Loved the Earthlights photo (for more than the obvious reasons) but check THIS out: http://www.latimes.com/business/reports/power/lat_power010118.htm Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From: "John Tidwell" > Pull out your wallet! > > http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Shure/PR/AuxPander.html > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 10:19:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24276; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:17:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010119182046.00a52dc0@mail.well.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> <3.0.5.32.20010119114532.00aede10@mail.well.com> <3.0.5.32.20010119182046.00a52dc0@mail.well.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:23:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: crystal balls, software development, product reps & repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 12:09 AM 1/20/01 -0300, Matthias wrote: >>>...my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace >>>Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way >>>for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what >>>Repeater will cost. >> >>Impossible. I hope the price drops a bit once production is >>established and the find cheaper parts, but to reduce it more than >>10-20%, we would have to redesign it, which we did not start yet... > >Matthias, > >thanks for this feedback. can you tell us a bit more? haven't the parts >gotten quite a bit cheaper over the years since the original design? The memory did, thats why they put a lot into it now. But the other parts are rather getting rare than cheaper. And GB is one of the most expensive places! To be honest I have no idea how they manage to make all the Repeaters functions for that price. SMD technology probably helps, external supply... I hope they dont run into problem with that. It happend once to us at PARADIS: Our then representative got so enthusiastic at the fair that he negociated a low price for a big quantity of AVALON guitars, saying that we would find ways to make it cheaper but we did not. So for over a year we had to produce without earning, that was HORRIBLE, expecially because all the friends thought: "wow, they made it!" Well, I guess Electrix is too experienced to fall into such a trap. >if this is the case, & with no criticism intended, i expect that the plex >will become a 2nd, "gourmet" looper for the hardcore folks when (& if) >repeater ships in quantity. i wonder if sales will be sufficient for >Gibson to keep it alive? No idea. So far I did not recognize the logic of their actions. :-( -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 11:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25386; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A69B5E7.5E69FB6D@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:59:35 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My first EDP question !!! References: <200101192303.SAA03032@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I *am* having fun with the new Echoplex. And so far (operating at "beginners level" ) the interface seems intuitive :) There is one thing that has me stumped, however. The "undo" button is not doing what I expect, based on my interpretation of the manual, when overdubbing. My experiments have been on single-cycle overdubs (with great care not to run into a 2nd cycle) on short loops (10 secs or so). I have the impression that hitting undo should erase the current overdub and turn off overdub mode. What I'm finding is that the first time I hit undo (short press), it erases everything recorded up to that point in the current overdub, but I'm still in overdub mode. Anything played after pressing "undo" is added to the current recording. If I hit "overdub" (after hitting undo and then playing a bit more) before the cycle ends, I'll hear just the material played after the undo. A long press of undo will remove the overdub. Once I've done that (removed an overdub), if I execute the same sequence of events (overdub, playing, undo, playing, overdub again, all within a single cycle) I get the complete overdub, with no erasure at all. This doesn't seem to jibe with the manual; can someone explain this to me? Thanks much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 12:46:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26987; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:44:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:42:09 EST Subject: Re: Composition and music list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb.afa616f.279b27f1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bb.afa616f.279b27f1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/01 2:42:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > I'd hate to call you on this Michael, especially when you just got back, but > there really isn't a lot of discussion of 'contemporary techniques' at the > CT-Collective. > > matt.....i would think that the cds that we have put out are a good example of "contemporary techniques".....but then again, i hear voices.....:).....michael --part1_bb.afa616f.279b27f1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/01 2:42:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


I'd hate to call you on this Michael, especially when you just got back, but
there really isn't a lot of discussion of 'contemporary techniques' at the
CT-Collective.



matt.....i would think that the cds that we have put out are a good example
of "contemporary techniques".....but then again, i hear
voices.....:).....michael --part1_bb.afa616f.279b27f1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 17:06:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00645; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:04:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:07:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Need DL4 Help Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any DL4 owners had a problem with the bypass feature of the unit? The >trick where you can put it into bypass so the delay decays naturally >when you switch the effect off sounds great when it works but I've had >some problems when I put the pedal in this mode. The problem is >basically that after I'm done playing, the next time I plug in, none of >the delays work at all. I have to reboot the unit twice to get the >bypass (and delays back). I had thought that this was the result of the >initial firmware of the pedal and that the problem would be fixed with >the upgrade, but after having just sent my pedal in for repairs >(including an update), I still have the same problem. > >Anyone else notice this problem and was I wrong in believing the >firmware had ANYTHING to do with the problem? Its not life threatening >or anything, but it is an annoyance and one I'd like fixed if there is >an easy fix. > >If any of you DL4 users know anything about this problem. please drop me >a line (before I contact Line 6). > >Thanks > >Kevin Sorry to take so long to reply to this, I'm wayyy behind on reading LD at the moment. My DL-4 has done this since the day I got it. I contacted Line-6 and they assured me that the firmware upgrade would fix this, but it sounds like you did this and it didn't. I haven't done the upgrade just because I can't stand to send the DL-4 away for that long. Since it sounds like it won't solve it anyway, I may just live with it, like I have thus far. Anyway, this probably doesn't help much, but there is at least one other DL-4 with that behavior. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 19:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03524; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:05:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.131] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Perception/excellence Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:04:13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2001 00:04:14.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[B054B900:01C0833D] Resent-Message-ID: <3rzIoD.A.x2.beia6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay Lance. It’s a pleasure to deal with a disagreement so civilly framed. I’ll try to respond in kind. I'll assume we've both read Plato, and you know I'm not suggesting that *what one perceives* is what is there- - - From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #43 >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:03:31 -0500 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message20.txt >> ><< message22.txt >> ><< message24.txt >> ><< message26.txt >> ><< message28.txt >> ><< message30.txt >> ><< message35.txt >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 19:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04552; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6A3572.ABF7064B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:07:05 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bet you didnt even know i was gone References: <24.1003ecb6.279a776c@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------43D5D2A25756990663A0E707" Resent-Message-ID: <0nCyCD.A.7GB.BOja6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------43D5D2A25756990663A0E707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > just got my computer back today after being without it since > monday.....i had > to get a new hard drive, lost everything on the machine (all > addresses, > everything, todo el mundo) what a bust.....217 e-mails, was there a > big sale > on coffee?.....yikes!....guitar player mag has an intervirw and a > picture of > dt (i hope that wasnt one of those "illegal" milkcrates dt!).....very > interesting not having a computer for several days, you do a whole lot > more > playing.....anyway, im back and im watchin ya all very > closely....:).....michael > p.s. a very neat picture from nasa.......< > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg yeah, jeez looks like we left the lights on again. :-) (welcome back mr. nemo...) lance g. --------------43D5D2A25756990663A0E707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

just got my computer back today after being without it since monday.....i had
to get a new hard drive, lost everything on the machine (all addresses,
everything, todo el mundo) what a bust.....217 e-mails, was there a big sale
on coffee?.....yikes!....guitar player mag has an intervirw and a picture of
dt (i hope that wasnt one of those "illegal" milkcrates dt!).....very
interesting not having a computer for several days, you do a whole lot more
playing.....anyway, im back and im watchin ya all very
closely....:).....michael
p.s. a very neat picture from nasa.......<
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
yeah, jeez

looks like we left the lights on again. :-)

(welcome back mr. nemo...)

lance g. --------------43D5D2A25756990663A0E707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 20:25:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05336; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6A3A57.84BE1F0@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:24:39 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dr. Sbaitso References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47D2@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0jK9sB.A.KTB.Mnja6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found a link that has the program. I haven't tested it though: http://sbaitso.homestead.com/files/sbaitso.zip Hope this helps. Jim "Taaffe, Denis G" wrote: > > yeah dr.sbaitso that proram was a blast, in fact, one of my cats is named > sbaitso because of that program cool!!!! > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > - > > > >I was reading the page and noticed that someone had the install to Dr. > Sbaitso! Is there anyway that I can have it sent to me? My best friend > from 2nd grade and I used to play that on her old computer constantly; we'd > always type "crazy" and Sbaitso would go nuts. > > > >thanks, > > Jennifer A. Hunt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 20:26:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05375; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:25:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:25:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6A3A98.B752E408@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:25:44 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: playing footsie References: <200101210007.TAA03598@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) These "foot controllers" look cool, but I wish Alesis would produce one that puts out MIDI !!!! Elby > > Subject: Does this mean I can play a synth with my feet? > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers Delight > And, could anyone tell the difference? > > http://namm.harmony-centra > .com/WNAMM01/Content/Alesis/PR/airSynth.html > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 21:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06831; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c0834d$ebe44520$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: Subject: mac looping software Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C08324.01B6EA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9F8AoC.A.cqB.dOka6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C08324.01B6EA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Cycling_74/PR/radiaL.html= ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C08324.01B6EA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C08324.01B6EA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 21:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07110; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:22:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:22:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6A49AA.FFCFF13C@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:33:32 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way OT Perception/excellence References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > Okay Lance. It’s a pleasure to deal with a disagreement so civilly framed. > I’ll try to respond in kind. I'll assume we've both read Plato, and you know > I'm not suggesting that *what one perceives* is what is there- - - > > > But that’s full circle. by this you mean tautology? if so i agree. > I AM suggesting there is an endpoint. i think it is the case that, at the end of the day, one has to turn out the lights and go to sleep. this implies an endpoint, but *perfection* is not the same thing to me. > > Is it really logical to say that EVERY *take* on a thing is as valid as > every other? maybe, but of course, if we operated this way we'd never get anything done. we have to assume a system of values, based on our personal or group judgement, but i'm less arguing anything on so pragmatic a level; i'm merely pointing out (my personal observation) that a single most excellent solution does not exist outside of a context driven by personal and/or group idiosyncracies. what we judge to be excellent is what we have learned (and agree) is excellent within the framework of our cultural conditioning. it does not exist in nature apart from our minds. > I’ll spare you examples [Vision is a good one]- - they could > all be countered- —I just think not. I think, usually, statistically, the > majority of perceptions are distorted and downright false- and a minority > are closer to an accurate representation. "...william james' philosophy of pragmatism states that it is not possible for the mind to relate to anything other than ideas. all that the mind can ponder is ideas about reality (whether or not that is the way reality actually is, is a metaphysical issue)...therefore, whether or not something is true is not a matter of how closely it corresponds to some absolute truth, but of how consistent it is with our experience..." -paraphrasing gary zukav, *the dancing wu li masters: an overview of the new physics* > your impression ever change? > > Haven’t you experienced that? I sense you have. We all have. It doesn’t mean > anyone has to agree, but it’s not a cryptic/intellectual point. In music it > is very often so; like I said: many chords/words could work- - - but one > fits like hand-in-glove. You know it mathematically, emotionally, > physically- - - absolutely. Why should I deny my every > reason/instinct/feeling, and say, *Well, it’s good, but so would a lot of > other chords/words be good*? i'm not suggesting we deny reason, or instinct, or feeling. john cage said, "nothing was lost when everything was given away." i know what i have felt to be something akin to "rightness". but i think it's a matter of degree, relative to a particular time/place/state of being. it's being in the groove, etc. but to put too sharp a point on it by saying it is the *perfect* or absolute thing is giving ourselves (and maybe our egos) too much credit. perhaps this is better left to god :-) > > relativity? > > I think the answer is in your sentence already. They’re mutually exclusive. > Otherwise my *excellent* is your *mediocre* [or *shitty*]. probably not mine, but could be to an inuit walrus hunter... > . and the words > must be, in time, abandoned because they will lose their meaning. meaning evolves; words work to keep up, some grow old and die, new words are born to take their place... > Words > matter. words matter, but there are very likely life forms in this universe that *speak* quite differently than we, and whose values might turn ours upside down. which absolutes will govern then? > But I don’t dispute that my position is even more difficult to defend than > yours. There is logic in believing that excellence only exists in relation > to something else. > > But one of us is closer to the [dreaded] Truth- - - i'm not afraid of truth, but will we know it when we see it? best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 20 21:49:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07611; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:47:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:47:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6A4DDF.C3553C5D@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:47:59 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP sample dump References: <200101190216.VAA02062@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The manual seems to imply that there's a sysex string for requesting sample dumps from the EDP. Can someone tell me what that string is? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 01:05:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12330; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:03:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:03:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:01:04 -0800 Subject: Splitter Mixer With True Independent Channels From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone recommend a splitter mixer where the sends and returns are 100% independent? I've used several Rane SM26's in the past, but my Time Machines always load down the dry signal, even when I'm running them 100% wet back into their own channel. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 05:01:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17439; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:59:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:59:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c08390$c3f02b40$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Percussion Program for MIDI? Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:58:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5UGeY.A.NKE.XLra6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, While I'm waiting to make enough money to get my SR16 drum machine fixed, is there a program along the lines of Band-in-a-Box/etc that just does percussion using the MIDI output on my card? Thanks. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 05:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17858; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 05:46:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 05:46:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c08784$8f5c5640$178ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101210007.TAA03597@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: FIRMWARE UPGRADE for Line 6 DL-4? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:41:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do I find out about the firmware upgrade for the Line 6 modeller. What exactly have they improved on and what it the down time for sending it back in. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 12:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24968; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:05:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:05:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c083cd$15a8eb20$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: radiaL Modular Loop Sequencer Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:10:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0838A.07070540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0838A.07070540 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C0838A.07070540" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C0838A.07070540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be of interest to some: = http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Cycling_74/PR/radiaL.html= ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C0838A.07070540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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You just draw a curve for what you want across the frequncy bands. You can then slide this around or change it in real time, apply LFO's, etc. Very interesting sounds came out of this and it looked quite easy to use. It's not an idea I had seen before, and one of the only really new ideas I saw at the show. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 13:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26768; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:15:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:15:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:14:51 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way OT Perception/excellence In-Reply-To: <3A6A49AA.FFCFF13C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26732 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, lance glover wrote: > > But I don’t dispute that my position is even more difficult to defend than > > yours. There is logic in believing that excellence only exists in relation > > to something else. > > > > But one of us is closer to the [dreaded] Truth- - - > > i'm not afraid of truth, but will we know it when we see it? > Right. There might be an absolute truth but how are we going to know it or understand exactly what it is? We still have our filter of perception and everybody elses filter of perception. Maybe Truth or perfect knowledge is simply the knowledge of the infinite universe or the break through of our perception.?? This thread has got me thinkin' ;-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 13:40:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27243; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A69B5E7.5E69FB6D@cloud9.net> References: <200101192303.SAA03032@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A69B5E7.5E69FB6D@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:37:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: That pesky repeater! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To put things into perspective... I'm working on a software project that's 6 months overdue (I've only been at the company for three months!) These things happen. Programmers overcommit. Inadequate advance design is performed. Unforeseen eventualities come up... I have to say that I was pretty sure that they were going to have troubles when Damon asked us for input on the software two or three months before it was out. If the feature set wasn't set in stone by then, I didn't see how it was going to come out... /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 13:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27238; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> References: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:34:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? >Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for >29.00 on ebay ). The worst is that I have Groovemaker, I purchased it totally legally and have the original disks, but I no longer have the password so it's useless to me. (Why I can't install from the original CD without a password, and why the password isn't on the CD case... gah... ) /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... 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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C083BD.025A3DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 15:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30365; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6B47E6.CBC470DA@cloud9.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:34:46 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Need a hand with EDP sample dump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm trying to get the EDP to dump sysex data to cakewalk, and also trying to understand the dump process. I could use a helping hand :) I have a very cakewalk-specific "how to" question, and then a couple of more general EDP questions. I'm getting the sysex data on my PC, in fact I can monitor it using Midi-OX. It's coming in 127 byte "chunks" . I have sysex turned on in Cakewalk, with them max number of buffers set (128). Also have midi echo turned off (stumbled over that one for a while! lol) Cakewalk is definitely seeing the EDP, I can record continuous controller messages 45 and 46 (some sort of loop timing info?). When I try to record sysex, (either by using from the sysex view, or simply by hitting "record" in the track view), however, I don't see any data arriving. I have no trouble recording sysex from other devices using the same procedure. Is there something different about the EDP messages or communication that might be causing me a problem? I've been finding the display on the EDP when dumping data confusing. the manual says that the numbers will show the percentage of dump completed. What I'm seeing is a rapid cycling of numbers from 0 to 127, with a "d" in two different positions toggling back and forth (but not syncronized with the numbers). I have no idea what this is telling me. Also, the manual says to expect that transmission time will be 10 to 15 times the length of the current loop. This makes sense to me. I recorded a 2 second loop and timed the dump. It took 3 minutes. That's 90 times the length. At this speed, a 20 second loop will take half-an-hour to transfer. Is my EDP working properly? Thanks for your help, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 15:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30433; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:36:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:36:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4b.66813c5.279ca1f1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:34:57 EST Subject: trouble afoot To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.66813c5.279ca1f1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: <8aB5bB.A.waH.Wg0a6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_4b.66813c5.279ca1f1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my number one son, ian, brought his turntables and mixer up to my studio.....oh my, oh my.....i could get lost in this for a long time, im looking at my record collection in a whole new light, such fun!.....michael --part1_4b.66813c5.279ca1f1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my number one son, ian, brought his turntables and mixer up to my
studio.....oh my, oh my.....i could get lost in this for a long time, im
looking at my record collection in a whole new light, such fun!.....michael --part1_4b.66813c5.279ca1f1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 15:46:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30726; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:44:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:44:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Perception/excellence Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:42:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to step in here. Everybody is trying to find some religiously absolute concept regarding the nature of music, or of a piece of music. I would like to remind eveybody about that famous question, "If a tree falls in the forest, and there's nobody around to hear it, does it make any sound?" My point is that our perception of sound is hopelessly coloured by the cultural notions and beliefs common in whatever culture in which you happen to grow up. Music itself is just vibrations of the atoms in the air. Take away the air, there's nothing to vibrate. Take away the atom vibration, there's no sound. Our concepts of music being what it is has nothing to do with the ultimate reality of music— the atom vibration— it's just something we all agree to accept being that we don't even know we are accepting it by growing up in whatever country with whatever aesthetic values happen to be the rage. What music kids nowadays find "mathematically, emotionally, physically— absolutely" to be cool is very different from I find it to be. I grew up in the Sixties, and the Seventies. Clapton's solos, well-done pop songs, and even long ambitious musical works do it for me. This is partly the source of all this "generation gap" talk that goes on since the Sixties. This thread has been very enlightening at times, and what I have learned from it, or being reminded of, really, is the great necessity for us to be more analytical and aware of the great many factors that influence what we think to be good, to be true, to be any certain way. This is at the crux of the concept of awareness. We can only make a better judgement of goodness and truth only if we strive to know all the thoughts and reasons that make up that judgement. Most of the times we don't. We just go by what is "out there." We act most of the time like sponges, just taking in, taking in. One of the fields of investigation that analyses this is art history. All they do is look at the values and judgements that were made regarding the creation of those works, put a name on it, and teach the children about them. These names and what they describe are no more arbitratry than what the artist him/herself chose to do and why. But we do need them to make sense of our past, of what they left behind for us to enjoy. I'm for that. The beginning of the "questioning of oneself" is the beginning of making sure we have it together. I'm sure everybody is for that. Javier | -----Original Message----- | From: Robert Eberwein [mailto:robert_eberwein@hotmail.com] | Sent: Sunday 21 January 2001 12:04 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Perception/excellence | | | Haven’t you experienced that? I sense you have. We all have. It | doesn’t mean | anyone has to agree, but it’s not a cryptic/intellectual point. | In music it | is very often so; like I said: many chords/words could work- - | - but one | fits like hand-in-glove. You know it mathematically, emotionally, | physically- - - absolutely. Why should I deny my every | reason/instinct/feeling, and say, *Well, it’s good, but so | would a lot of | other chords/words be good*? | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 15:49:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30894; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:47:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6B4B7F.4F092F68@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:50:07 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FIRMWARE UPGRADE for Line 6 DL-4? References: <200101210007.TAA03597@hemlock.violacea.com> <008c01c08784$8f5c5640$178ae3a5@poo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure that a firmware update will make any noticeable difference if you're not having the delay trails (bypass) issue. I don't think that anything that you actually hear was changed in the upgrade (or so I was told by Line6 many months ago). As for the repair, I sent my pedal off in december and it was over a month in returning to me (seemingly in the same state it was when I sent it). This was to a repair shop that does work for Line 6, not Line6 itself. Also, the shop I sent it to said it had the newest firmware but I'm still having the bypass issue. On the positive side, I wrote Line6 to tell them about the problem and they got back to me the next day with a new RA for the Line6 shop and a FedEx waybill to cover shipping. I was also told they would get it fixed up and off within a couple of days. Bottom line seems to be, if you're not having a problem, don't worry about the firmware. Kevin "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" wrote: > How do I find out about the firmware upgrade for the Line 6 modeller. > What exactly have they improved on and what it the down time for sending it > back in. > Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 16:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31849; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:02:39 -0600 Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? From: keith rowley-yugen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA31822 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bitheadz Phrazer: http://www.bitheadz.com/cgi-bin/frames.pl?+/Products/Phrazer/main.html -- Keith Rowley-Yugen *-===============================-* Work like you don't need the money Love like you've never been hurt Dance like nobody's watching *-===============================-* ** * ** ** ** * * * * ** * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * ** * * * * ** ** ** * ** "By the virtue of eyes are the stars themselves light." --Alan Watts **-----------------------------** -ergatés > From: Tom Ritchford > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:34:18 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:40:37 -0500 > >> Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? >> Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for >> 29.00 on ebay ). > > The worst is that I have Groovemaker, I purchased it totally legally and have > the original disks, but I no longer have the password so it's useless to me. > > (Why I can't install from the original CD without a password, and why the > password isn't on the CD case... gah... ) > > /t > > > ...electronic a cappella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 17:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01451; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Funkyboost@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1497fe2.279cbe64@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:20 EST Subject: unsuscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: <34IGND.A.HW.VS2a6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please put me out of this list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 19:33:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04223; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c08409$41377720$e6aa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #200 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:20:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #200 January 18, 2001. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mind~Flux, a.k.a. Thomas Fanger and Michael Kersten. The feature CD at Midnight was "Konception of Space" on the IC/Digit label. Tonight's program celebrated 200 shows and four years on the air. Mind~Flux http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jan ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Pyramid Peak Gruga Park Random Events (Invisible Shadows) Dave Fulton Random Images Hard Particles (Eurock) Surface 10 Farewell Microscapes In Vitro Tide (DiN) Broekhuis, Keller & Fallen Angel The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schonwalder Broekhuis, Keller & Speed The Annazaal Tapes (Manikin) Schonwalder Vidna Obmana The Path Downwards The Contemporary Nocturne (Hypnos) 12:00 am Mind~Flux Destination Unknown Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Mr. Johnson's Trip Konception of Space (IC/Digit) to the Moon Mind~Flux Meditation 0.1 Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Cars on Mars Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Transition Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Sound Barrier Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Space Blues Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux A Moody Night on Cyrus 7 Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Mind~Flux Ms. Johnson's Trip to Konception of Space (IC/Digit) Venus * 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Fanger and Kersten a.k.a. Mind~Flux. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Collector's Edition #1" on the Starflux/Manikin labels. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 21:12:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06784; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:07:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:07:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6B963E.B20B7266@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:08:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop Hardware/Software explosion References: <000901c083cd$15a8eb20$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Is it me, or is there currently an explosion in hardware and software that is dedicated to making music using audio and midi loops? We sure do live in swell times. I can't wait to tell my grandkids (although I don't even have my own kids yet) "I was one of the first people on Looper's Delight back before the turn of the century." "Yeah right grampy" For me it all started with an analog Ibanez delay pedal duct taped to a Rickenbacher 320. Ah those were hard times. Grandpa Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 21:28:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07132; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:25:33 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: Re: Loop Hardware/Software explosion In-Reply-To: <3A6B963E.B20B7266@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > Is it me, or is there currently an explosion in hardware and software > that is dedicated to making music using audio and midi loops? Speaking of which, a nifty little sequencer for those of you into MIDI or CV control (does 'em both) http://www.warmcola.com/cgi-bin/wc_shop/cimpublic/ retrieve.cgi?catalog_id=1.5&dbname=frostwave I dig it :) -Nii From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 22:41:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08844; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6A3A98.B752E408@cloud9.net> References: <200101210007.TAA03598@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A6A3A98.B752E408@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:46:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: playing footsie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head... > >These "foot controllers" look cool, but I wish Alesis would produce one >that puts out MIDI !!!! > >Elby > > > Subject: Does this mean I can play a synth with my feet? >> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) >> From: John Tidwell >> To: Loopers Delight >> And, could anyone tell the difference? >> >> http://namm.harmony-centra > > .com/WNAMM01/Content/Alesis/PR/airSynth.html >> > > John Tidwell >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 22:50:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09100; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:49:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:49:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <84.105bac10.279d0764@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:47:48 EST Subject: Re: playing footsie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_84.105bac10.279d0764_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_84.105bac10.279d0764_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) > > Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to > use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head... > speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with the sox that looked like shoes?.....michael --part1_84.105bac10.279d0764_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
matthias@grob.org writes:


>Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet?  :)

Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to
use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head...


speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with the sox
that looked like shoes?.....michael --part1_84.105bac10.279d0764_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 23:27:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10342; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:26:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:26:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6B47E6.CBC470DA@cloud9.net> References: <3A6B47E6.CBC470DA@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:33:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elby in trouble: >I'm trying to get the EDP to dump sysex data to cakewalk, and also >trying to understand the dump process. I could use a helping hand :) >I have a very cakewalk-specific "how to" question, and then a couple of >more general EDP questions. > >I'm getting the sysex data on my PC, in fact I can monitor it using >Midi-OX. It's coming in 127 byte "chunks" . I have sysex turned on in >Cakewalk, with them max number of buffers set (128). Also have midi >echo turned off (stumbled over that one for a while! lol) Cakewalk is >definitely seeing the EDP, I can record continuous controller messages >45 and 46 (some sort of loop timing info?). When I try to record sysex, >(either by using from the sysex view, or >simply by hitting "record" in the track view), however, I don't see any >data arriving. I have no trouble recording sysex from other devices >using the same procedure. Is there something different about the EDP >messages or communication that might be causing me a problem? > >I've been finding the display on the EDP when dumping data confusing. >the manual says that the numbers will show the percentage of dump >completed. What I'm seeing is a rapid cycling of numbers from 0 to 127, block counting, seems normal >with a "d" in two different positions toggling back and forth (but not >syncronized with the numbers). I have no idea what this is telling me. d for download is also correct >Also, the manual says to expect that transmission time will be 10 to 15 >times the length of the current loop. This makes sense to me. I >recorded a 2 second loop and timed the dump. It took 3 minutes. That's >90 times the length. At this speed, a 20 second loop will take >half-an-hour to transfer. Is my EDP working properly? > Since MIDI works in general its certainly not a problem of just your unit, but either your setup or an incompability between the EDP and Calkewalk... I use neither MIDIdump nor Cakewalk so I hope that someone else has some experience. Otherwhise I will have to take some time to work into this. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 23:45:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10731; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c0842d$b063d020$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <84.105bac10.279d0764@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing footsie Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 04:42:11 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0842D.AF47FFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0842D.AF47FFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why just use the foot? http://www.synthzone.com/bsynth.html profiles = the Body Synth, which, amongst other things, might also be able to help = disabled folks in the event someone writes some firmware to use MIDI to = control artificial limbs and such. It's been used in performance = apparently by a number of artists, mostly in the SF area. But theoretically who needs a footswitch when you've got this? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: 22 January 2001 03:47 AM Subject: Re: playing footsie In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 matthias@grob.org writes:=20 >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :)=20 Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to = use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head...=20 speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with = the sox=20 that looked like shoes?.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0842D.AF47FFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why just use the foot?  http://www.synthzone.com/bs= ynth.html profiles=20 the Body Synth, which, amongst other things, might also be able to help = disabled=20 folks in the event someone writes some firmware to use MIDI to control=20 artificial limbs and such.  It's been used in performance = apparently by a=20 number of artists, mostly in the SF area.
 
But theoretically who needs a footswitch when = you've=20 got this?
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even=20 more MP3s!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: 22 January 2001 03:47 = AM
Subject: Re: playing = footsie

In a = message dated=20 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
matthias@grob.org writes:=20


>Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? =  :)=20

Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may = consider to=20
use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head...=20


speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that = knows the=20 web site with the sox
that looked like shoes?.....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0842D.AF47FFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 23:50:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10907; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:48:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:47:50 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200101220447.XAA32085@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My midi dumps used to take a very very long time. I would start a dump, go out for a pack of cigarettes, have some coffee, take a nap, and hopefully the stream of data did not cause a log jam in my midi interface before the dump completed. I recall something about midi handshaking that was causing things to take so long. I also recall that some option had been added in Loop V5 to disable the hand shaking but it still may be required depending on your midi setup, the midi software and such things. - floyd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 21 23:58:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11101; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:55:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:55:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Poppy1781@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:53:40 EST Subject: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST ! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3.f736f54.279d16d4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d3.f736f54.279d16d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT IS TAKING UP SO MUCH ROOM IN MY MAIL BOX. O IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN JUST RECIEVE MAIL THAT ONLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ZOOM SAMPLETRACK? CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SAMPLER I HAVE AND I CAN USE SOME TIPS ON USING IT. PLEASE HELP ME OUT! PEACE.. --part1_d3.f736f54.279d16d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT IS TAKING UP SO MUCH ROOM IN MY MAIL
BOX. O IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN JUST RECIEVE MAIL THAT ONLY HAS SOMETHING TO
DO WITH THE ZOOM SAMPLETRACK? CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SAMPLER I HAVE AND I CAN
USE SOME TIPS ON USING IT. PLEASE HELP ME OUT! PEACE.. --part1_d3.f736f54.279d16d4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 00:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11751; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:03:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:03:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <84.105bac10.279d0764@aol.com> References: <84.105bac10.279d0764@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:02:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: playing footsie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1231982739==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1231982739==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, >matthias@grob.org writes: > > >> >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) >> >>Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to >>use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head... >> > > >speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with the sox >that looked like shoes?.....michael oh these? http://www.flaxart.com/f/shopping/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=1EFF0545-EF E9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&MainCatID=481&catID=31&sl=0&productID=1013&S tyle=1 -Alex S. --============_-1231982739==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ArialIn a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider to use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head... speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with the sox that looked like shoes?.....michael Arial oh these? http://www.flaxart.com/f/shopping/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=1EFF0545-EFE9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&MainCatID=481&catID=31&sl=0&productID=1013&Style=1 -Alex S. --============_-1231982739==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 00:30:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12208; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c08433$e7d0e740$630c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Body Synth Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:26:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C083F0.D8E43CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C083F0.D8E43CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK fellow babies, it's cybersuit time! Has anybody actually used this = to control a delay for looping? Gary ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C083F0.D8E43CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK fellow babies, it's cybersuit = time!  Has=20 anybody actually used this to control a delay for looping?
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C083F0.D8E43CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 00:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12330; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010122003433.007b2ea0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:34:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST ! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_I6K5D.A.aAD.MX8a6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just go to the same place where you signed up and read the directions for unsubscribing. (It's not the same address as the list.) Then if you only want to know about the Zoom Sampletrack, visit the Loopers Delight mailing list archives from time to time and just do a search. You don't have to be subscribed to read the archives, but you do have to be subscribed to post to the list. At 11:53 PM 1/21/01 EST, you wrote: >PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT IS TAKING UP SO MUCH ROOM IN MY MAIL >BOX. O IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN JUST RECIEVE MAIL THAT ONLY HAS SOMETHING TO >DO WITH THE ZOOM SAMPLETRACK? CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SAMPLER I HAVE AND I CAN >USE SOME TIPS ON USING IT. PLEASE HELP ME OUT! PEACE.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 02:00:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14110; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:55:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:55:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:53:00 EST Subject: Re: playing footsie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be.ef8b523.279d32cc_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_be.ef8b523.279d32cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/01 12:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, alex@pixar.com writes: > oh these? > > http://www.flaxart.com/f/shopping/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=1EFF0545-EF > E9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&MainCatID=481&catID=31&sl=0&productID=1013&S > tyle=1 > thanks alex!.....michael --part1_be.ef8b523.279d32cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/01 12:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, alex@pixar.com
writes:


oh these?

http://www.flaxart.com/f/shopping/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=1EFF0545-EF
E9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&MainCatID=481&catID=31&sl=0&productID=1013&S
tyle=1


thanks alex!.....michael --part1_be.ef8b523.279d32cc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 02:06:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14908; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:05:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c08441$6e153c40$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <84.105bac10.279d0764@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing footsie Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:03:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C08441.6CF04440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C08441.6CF04440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alex Stahl=20 In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: >Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet? :) Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may consider = to use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders, head... speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that knows the web site with = the sox that looked like shoes?.....michael oh these? = http://www.flaxart.com/f/shopping/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=3D1EFF0545-EFE= 9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&MainCatID=3D481&catID=3D31&sl=3D0&productID=3D10= 13&Style=3D1 Actually I'm more curious about the sock-shoes that don't look that way = at all, more like the ones with toes - which would help immensely with = the Zoom 2100 units I use at least! I recall Buckaroo Banzai wore a = pair. Anyone? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C08441.6CF04440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/21/01 10:40:00 PM Eastern Standard=20 Time,
matthias@grob.org=20 writes:

>Don't loopers play *everything* with their feet?=20 :)
Since there are no spider gens on the market yet, we may = consider=20 to
use such machines with elbows, knees, shoulders,=20 head...
speaking of footsie.....was it you miko that = knows the=20 web site with the sox
that looked like = shoes?.....michael
oh these?

http://www.flaxart.com/f/shoppi= ng/prod_detail/main.asp?uid=3D1EFF0545-EFE9-11D4-81F8-00B0D0498030&Ma= inCatID=3D481&catID=3D31&sl=3D0&productID=3D1013&Style=3D= 1
Actually I'm more curious about the = sock-shoes that=20 don't look that way at all, more like the ones with toes - which would = help=20 immensely with the Zoom 2100 units I use at least!  I recall = Buckaroo=20 Banzai wore a pair.  Anyone?
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios *=20 The free Loop of the Week!
http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even=20 more MP3s!
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C08441.6CF04440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 04:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17423; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:59:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:59:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c08451$85591880$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: NAMM Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:58:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must agree with Kim- the NI Spektral Delay is wayyyy cool- saw it today- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 06:24:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19612; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:23:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:23:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: James McMorrough To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #47 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:16:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7twbhC.A.LyE.ueBb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like to hear some of your better stuff guys, where can I lay my hands on some demos?....then I'll know what you're all going on about!!! I've got my Kaoss pad on AUX2 of my desk, but I send the return to the input of a new channel, mainly so I can EQ the stuff that gets sent back....but It has an added bonus; that I can pipe some of that signal to AUX2......which of course sends it to the Kaoss pad......if I have the Kaoss pad on a delay program I get some very weird 'swooshing through space' type sounds whenever I touch the pad....awesome in fact.....does that qualify as 'looping'? Makattak This message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. Unless you are the addressee, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. This message does not constitute (i) an advice from EASDAQ S.A./N.V. or any of its affiliates (together "EASDAQ") and / or (ii) an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase any financial instrument. This message does not contain information which can be relied upon by any party unless expressly specified by an authorised officer of EASDAQ. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 07:15:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20552; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:14:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:14:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [134.155.18.75] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some of It's Parts Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:13:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2001 12:13:36.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF12D230:01C0846C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<-Music itself is just vibrations of the atoms in the air... No. There are lots of vibrations- not all are music. <<-our perception of sound is hopelessly coloured Hopelessly? Interesting choice of words... <<-The beginning of the "questioning of oneself" is the beginning of making sure we have it < Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20745; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c08488$66991120$aeb4da18@ne.mediaone.net> From: "medicrob" To: References: Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:31:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here's one...might work GrooveMaker v1.0 - Serial - 11111-26P77201-56967 found it @ crackazoid.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith rowley-yugen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? Bitheadz Phrazer: http://www.bitheadz.com/cgi-bin/frames.pl?+/Products/Phrazer/main.html -- Keith Rowley-Yugen *-===============================-* Work like you don't need the money Love like you've never been hurt Dance like nobody's watching *-===============================-* ** * ** ** ** * * * * ** * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * ** * * * * ** ** ** * ** "By the virtue of eyes are the stars themselves light." --Alan Watts **-----------------------------** -ergatés > From: Tom Ritchford > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:34:18 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:40:37 -0500 > >> Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? >> Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for >> 29.00 on ebay ). > > The worst is that I have Groovemaker, I purchased it totally legally and have > the original disks, but I no longer have the password so it's useless to me. > > (Why I can't install from the original CD without a password, and why the > password isn't on the CD case... gah... ) > > /t > > > ...electronic a cappella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 07:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20897; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c0846f$e1c9a9e0$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Parts Ain't Just Parts... Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:36:01 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Robert Eberwein" opined: > In our quest to appear that we *have it together* it can seem tempting to > abandon both logic and our instincts. We’ve been hearing this kind of stuff > for so long: Enlightentment/Existential patter that wants us to believe that > we are even LESS than the sum of our parts. In the absence of 100% of the data one can only understand what one DOESN'T know. Those seeking the entire sausage will probably be disappointed whilst in the bodies we're presently using, and anyone professing to actually have all the answers, well... > ...Folks > are much less likely to attend art openings where there is only red dripped > on Plexiglas. People almost definitely won’t pay 40 bucks to watch some > fool sit silently at a piano. Well, people HAVE spent such money to "hear silence". But in the interest of uh, "art openings," I invite you to my OWN at http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - and, should anyone be interested in my executing some artwork for their covers, I invite those inquiries as well! But no matter how much we're part of the same circuit, no matter how much some mistake this for being One People (a sadly popular phrase that gets dug up whenever there's some conflict at hand), we're all still individual elements of that Great Circuit. Therefore we all not only possess different viewpoints etc.; I believe that this variation has ensured the survival of the human race for eons. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 09:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23225; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:10:56 EST Subject: Mac N Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <7DOaU.A.WqF.T-Db6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is strange about loosing password for Groovemaker. Call Cakewalk or Steinberg and see if they can help you. There is something called MbooM that is supposed to work. Phrazer looks good so far but I've heard bad things about it not being ready?? Then there is something called MIXMAN.... paul adams Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 10:04:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24712; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <048e01c08483$0cbeffc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:53:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been studying the Headrush and I'm unclearly on some details. I don't have one to try, I'm just reading about it And I'm interested only in the looping mode of operation. I've looked at the archives and at the meager information at the Akai site (What? No manual?). Any Headrush heads what to help me? 1) From Alan Imberg's description: "If you want to overdub a loop, click the LEFT switch to activate the looping function and start playing." What does "active the looping function" mean? Isn't there a little three position slide switch that selects "Looping Rec" mode? Why do you have to press the LEFT button to activate the looping function? What happens if you don't and you go ahead and try to loop? 2) After "activating the looping function" by pressing the LEFT button, I understand that to make the first loop, you press the RIGHT button, play, then press the LEFT button to close the loop and initiate continously looping playback. There seems some confusion or misinformation regarding closing the loop with the LEFT or RIGHT button but Chris Chovit's message on Nov 6, 1999 states that it's the LEFT button that does the magic. Does anything happen if you press the RIGHT button to close the loop? Like does this close the loop and put you into overdub mode? 3) Ok, say that you close the loop by pressing the LEFT button and you made a loop less than 11.9 seconds in length. Now you're going to make an overdub. You press the RIGHT button, play some stuff, and press the LEFT button to end the overdub, correct? And you can repeat the process to overdub some more, correct again? 4) Say that you've made several overdubs and ended each by pressing the LEFT button. Now to erase all the overdubs, you press the RIGHT button (as if you were starting a new overdub), and then press the RIGHT button again. Correct? 5) Do the LEDs indicate "overdubable" status in any way (i.e., that your loop is less than 11.9 seconds)? Or whether you're in overdub mode or not? Does any LED wink at you at the loop end (or beginning)? 6) How do you erase the "base" loop (the first one you made)? Can you erase it without starting a new loop? Can you tell the Headrush to stop at the loop end instead of immediately? 7) There no "loop once" or "stutter restart" function? 8) Any Hearush owners websites? Lot's o' questions!!!! Any help is much appreciated! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 11:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26292; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:11:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:11:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: c7fabf50-5a2e-11d2-968c-00805fc1f894 Message-ID: <959A58EACA1CD211A72400805FA7A04C06A83DF3@us4n53.glaxo.com> From: "Moe, Jeff" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Boomerang Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:07:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) X-WSS-ID: 1672855E140129-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to purchase a used Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Email to jlm20605@glaxowellcome.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 11:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27040; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:42:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:32:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater spotted! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >yes, please, connect to a clock source and change the speed a bit to >see whether the loop realy follows exactly without artefacts, that >would be my favourite feature! >I am somewhat tired of the constant speed loops, the "beat prison". Matthias, Sorry, didn't get a chance to read my emails before attending the show on Saturday. I did spend a good amount of time chatting with Damon and playing with the Repeater. It was very cool...Damon asked if i wanted a demo of the Repeater and i said "sure!". He started to set it up with the cd player as the source and i said "can I use the guitar as the source?" and we went from there...talking implementation, ideas, and such...as the demo went on, there were lots of interruptions from me going "ALRIGHT!!!!" We didn't do the example you spoke of. What we did do was have two other electrix units slaved to the midi clock of the repeater...the Filter Factory and the MoFx. I captured a loop on track one, did an overdub on track two, and played a bit with the pan, pitch, and volume. Then while i was playing along, Damon started adding in effects. Being able to patch in effects before the loop, OR after the loop is terrific! What i found especially nice what that the effects after the loop are effecting only the loop, not your incoming signal passing through the looper. Very nice that you could be playing a clean sound, yet when it gets captured, you could have all kinds of wild effects on it! The next WOW was when we changed the tempo on the loops. Damon said there was some question of how the tempo change was still to be implemented. When you adjust tempo, does it automatically change to the new tempo, or does it drift to the new tempo over a period of time? As far as i could tell, the drift effect is what is in the software at the moment. I would like to have it available as a choice. Maybe some sort of button combination during powerup... Anyway, we altered the tempo of the loop pretty radically. And as the loop was 'drifting' to it's new tempo, ALL of the effects on the slaved machines were 'drifting' along too, following the Repeater. We had an LFO going on the Filter Factory and a Delay on the MoFx, and they all slowly came down in tempo in perfect synch with each other...yummy. we're all going to have to wait a bit, but this machine promises a lot of sonic possibilities. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 11:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27240; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:51:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c08493$25ae1b00$6401a8c0@mindspring.com> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <048e01c08483$0cbeffc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:48:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << I've been studying the Headrush and I'm unclearly on some details. I don't have one to try, I'm just reading about it And I'm interested only in the looping mode of operation. I've looked at the archives and at the meager information at the Akai site (What? No manual?). Any Headrush heads what to help me? 1) From Alan Imberg's description: "If you want to overdub a loop, click the LEFT switch to activate the looping function and start playing." What does "active the looping function" mean? Isn't there a little three position slide switch that selects "Looping Rec" mode? Why do you have to press the LEFT button to activate the looping function? What happens if you don't and you go ahead and try to loop? >> I believe it's more like "turn the beast on". It's hibernating until you hit the left switch, the first time. << 2) After "activating the looping function" by pressing the LEFT button, I understand that to make the first loop, you press the RIGHT button, play, then press the LEFT button to close the loop and initiate continously looping playback. There seems some confusion or misinformation regarding closing the loop with the LEFT or RIGHT button but Chris Chovit's message on Nov 6, 1999 states that it's the LEFT button that does the magic. Does anything happen if you press the RIGHT button to close the loop? Like does this close the loop and put you into overdub mode? >> That is EXACTLY what happens when you click LEFT-RIGHTRIGHT << 3) Ok, say that you close the loop by pressing the LEFT button and you made a loop less than 11.9 seconds in length. Now you're going to make an overdub. You press the RIGHT button, play some stuff, and press the LEFT button to end the overdub, correct? And you can repeat the process to overdub some more, correct again? >> Yes and Yes. << 4) Say that you've made several overdubs and ended each by pressing the LEFT button. Now to erase all the overdubs, you press the RIGHT button (as if you were starting a new overdub), and then press the RIGHT button again. Correct? >> Yep. << 5) Do the LEDs indicate "overdubable" status in any way (i.e., that your loop is less than 11.9 seconds)? Or whether you're in overdub mode or not? Does any LED wink at you at the loop end (or beginning)? >> To be honest, I haven't noticed... << 6) How do you erase the "base" loop (the first one you made)? Can you erase it without starting a new loop? Can you tell the Headrush to stop at the loop end instead of immediately? >> I don't know the answers to any of these, but I wish I did (I don't have my manual either) << 7) There no "loop once" or "stutter restart" function? >> I don't think there are. << 8) Any Hearush owners websites? >> I didn't find any when I searched. << Lot's o' questions!!!! Any help is much appreciated! Dennis Leas >> HTH, phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 12:29:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28477; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:27:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6C6963.6BA0E762@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:09:55 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang References: <959A58EACA1CD211A72400805FA7A04C06A83DF3@us4n53.glaxo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We have new ones in stock for $489 plus shipping Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com "Moe, Jeff" wrote: > I want to purchase a used Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Email to > jlm20605@glaxowellcome.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 12:29:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28479; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:28:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:24:43 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: Splitter Mixer With True Independent Channels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA28416 Resent-Message-ID: <3bq1E.A.P8G.l0Gb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spirit soundcraft folio fx8 is a three aux send two pre/post one dedicated to built in lexi chip and dual sub groups. one happinig little board and you could do 100% wet several ways. cheers- ts >>> tiktok@sprintmail.com 01/20 10:02 PM >>> Can anyone recommend a splitter mixer where the sends and returns are 100% independent? I've used several Rane SM26's in the past, but my Time Machines always load down the dry signal, even when I'm running them 100% wet back into their own channel. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 13:12:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29823; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD81@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Some of It's Parts Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0849E.46984F60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849E.46984F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" <<-Music itself is just vibrations of the atoms in the air... No. There are lots of vibrations- not all are music. ** i think that he was defining music, not vibrations. Folks are much less likely to attend art openings where there is only red dripped on Plexiglas. People almost definitely won't pay 40 bucks to watch some fool sit silently at a piano. ** while i may personally agree with your points here, others may not. in fact, i've gone to a lot of art openings where what *i* saw was "crap" - - and others saw "art." that is their right. ya know, i told my wife about the whole brouhaha about my knit fact performance. she said that it reminded her of the people who were so pissed-off about the fauves when they first showed in paris: people said they painted like "wild beasts" (fauves), it wasn't "real" art, etc. (of course much the same had been said about van gogh and monet, too) . . . now people line up and pay big bucks for tickets to see huge retrospectives of the people who were in that scene. i don't expect anything like that to happen for me, but i do think that she has an interesting perspective on this general issue. Whether you gather roots for breakfast, or live on the 14th floor; we're one people, in the same gravity. ** while this sounds good in theory, i'm not sure how much water it really holds. i know people who don't think that indigenous musics from africa can't be music because they don't follow some dictionary definition of music that is based on western european aesthetics. i've met people that feel that western classical music ended with mozart's death. Those speakers will also tell you why music no longer needs harmony, rules of composition or rhythm. In fact, they'll try to make you feel small if you don't agree. ** or maybe those speakers castigate you and try to make you feel small if they don't agree with what you say about other possibilities. that happens too ya know. it seems to come down to people of all persuasions wanting to make the "other" insignificant by virtue of its "faults" - - rather than validate it for its virtues. That's why I like looping: You can't fool people who have had a hand in creation. They know the difference between noise and - - - uh, Something Musical. ** okay you lost me here . . . looping gives you more consciousness and some sort of omniscient perspective? how does that work? i loop (after my own fashion), some hear "noise"; others will loop and an audience member may hear "new-agey noodling" - - but it's all looping. They know that banging someone with a pipe doesn't become music until you add good intention. ** huh? please explain what you mean by this. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849E.46984F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Some of It's Parts

<<-Music itself is just vibrations of the atoms = in the air...

No. There are lots of vibrations- not all are = music.

** i think that he was defining music, not = vibrations.


 Folks are much less likely to attend art = openings where there is only red dripped
on Plexiglas. People  almost definitely won't = pay 40 bucks to watch some
fool sit silently at a piano.

** while i may personally agree with your points = here, others may not. in fact, i've gone to a lot of art openings where = what *i* saw was "crap" - - and others saw "art." = that is their right.

ya know, i told my wife about the whole brouhaha = about my knit fact performance. she said that it reminded her of the = people who were so pissed-off about the fauves when they first showed = in paris: people said they painted like "wild beasts" = (fauves), it wasn't "real" art, etc. (of course much the same = had been said about van gogh and monet, too) . . . now people line up = and pay big bucks for tickets to see huge retrospectives of the people = who were in that scene. i don't expect anything like that to happen for = me, but i do think that she has an interesting perspective on this = general issue.


Whether you gather roots for breakfast, or live on = the 14th floor; we're one
people, in the same gravity.

** while this sounds good in theory, i'm not sure how = much water it really holds. i know people who don't think that = indigenous musics from africa can't be music because they don't follow = some dictionary definition of music that is based on western european = aesthetics. i've met people that feel that western classical music = ended with mozart's death.

Those speakers will also tell you why music no longer = needs
harmony, rules of composition or rhythm. In fact, = they'll try to make you
feel small if you don't agree.

** or maybe those speakers castigate you and try to = make you feel small if they don't agree with what you say about other = possibilities. that happens too ya know. it seems to come down to = people of all persuasions wanting to make the "other" = insignificant by virtue of its "faults" - - rather than = validate it for its virtues.


That's why I like looping: You can't fool
people who have had a hand in creation. They know = the difference between
noise and - - - uh, Something Musical.

** okay you lost me here . . . looping gives you more = consciousness and some sort of omniscient perspective? how does that = work? i loop (after my own fashion), some hear "noise"; = others will loop and an audience member may hear "new-agey = noodling" - - but it's all looping.

They know that banging someone with a
pipe doesn't become music until you add good = intention.

** huh? please explain what you mean by this.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0849E.46984F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 13:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30481; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:22:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:19:54 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010122101956-r01010600-77b6dbbd@192.168.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > cool new looping software from Cycling '74 to be coming soon. Looks very > powerful: > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html > -- > *-=========================================-* > Keith Rowley I spent a bit of time down there in "Mac alley" in Anaheim over the weekend too. Mostly to check out Max 4 and MSP 2, the long awaited sequels from the cycling74 mob. Tres cool. The new scripting addition to Max 4 means that a program written in Max can know write onto itself and other programs, i.e. configure itself for different setups, morph into something completely different etc. etc. Radial has been written so far in Max 4. I think they are attempting to create a product that will work right out of the box a bit more than Max does. A lot of people it seems are put off by having to spent long dark months inside a programmers manual before they get something going (believe it or not), and radiaL is a step in that direction.I was talking with the programmers down there about what constituted the "ultimate looping app" and the idea for them is that there isn't one. The ultimate looping app doesn't exist because the specifics of the music are the things which ultimately determine the configuration of the app, and these are changing all the time as the music evolves. So their idea is that the ultimate looping app (ULA) is one which is "customizable" to a large degree without giving away too much of the "still works while groping around for it in the dark on the bandstand" factor. I'll buy that. But its big flaw as far as I'm concerned has to be that no matter what sort of groovy interface it has, if the ULA only exists on a powerbook it's not really going to hack it on the bandstand at all. At least not until they invent a powerbook that is beer proof and can sustain being jumped on repeatedly (and has large twiddly glow in the dark knobs and costs about 200 bucks). Anyway, we'll all get to see it some time. Also down in Mac alley were two other quite interesting looking new apps. Live http://www.ableton.com is a kind of radiaL sort of deal that will work on a PC as well. Melodyne http://www.celemony.com caught my eye in a big way. This thing looks really cool. And it works on OSX already. L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 13:47:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30980; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:21:33 -0800 From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: experience loop & Macintosh? In-reply-to: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <72.7172114.279a815d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3sIEh.A.njH.t8Hb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:51 AM -0500 1/20/01, Ppaulpadam@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone out there have any info on ACID type programs available for Mac?? >Groovemaker is no longer made ( although pc versions of it are going for >29.00 on ebay ). It's still being made, the company just has a different US distributor. Their website, while unfortunately done in Flash, has info about this: Also see or >Anyone know about Mixman for Mac?? It's shipping. It's pretty much the same as Mixman on the PC. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 13:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31297; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:56:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:56:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Click Track from EDP Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:53:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2001 18:53:50.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[A875CF90:01C084A4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got my EDP on friday and have already made some really exciting music over the weekend. Here's what I noticed that I would really like to be able to do: I would like some small module which connects to the sync output (or midi output) of the EDP and produces an audible click track which would go into my headphones. I'm sure one exists, I just don't know how to look for it! Can anyone help? I found that when I used NEXTLOOP into an empty loop with the same timing as the old loop, I had much dificulty matching my playing to the old tempo exactly! I was trying to watch the multiply # change on the beginning of each cycle. Fine for short cycles, but rediculous for multiple measure long cycles. Bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 14:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31954; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:56:23 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/22/2001 12:56:24 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a question. With the dawn of >1Ghz processors and very small to zero latency audio cards, would it not be possible to produce a Repeater/EDP like emulation in software? The problem is obviously the latency, but if the software is clever, it can adjust looping tracks' position to compensate for the delay so that only the first pass through (the "live" material) is subject to latency. After the first pass, the program bumps the track up 5 to 15ms so that it is in synch again. Thinking about ACID, which runs on some pretty low-end systems, you can get multiple tracks (24+) of stereo loops, all pitch or time shifted, each a measure or two long. Some quick calculations, and an ACID song at 120bpm with 24 stereo tracks equates to about the same sample power as a two-minute mono loop. And this is all loaded in RAM. Streaming from disk would really improve loop-time performance. Think GigaSampler. To break it down further: multi-track recording and playback exists through software, real-time pitch and time stretching exists through software, MIDI synch and control exists through software, Why does real-time audio looping not exist through software? I am not a programmer. Don't want to be. So, if I've missed some glaring point, please feel free to elucidate it. I would guess that most of us do the majority of our looping at home, where a computer is relatively safe from beer attack. If we did gig, mount the thing in a rack and get a long MIDI cable to your foot controller. Is this a function of market demand, that a product like this has not been made available? L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 14:14:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32232; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:13:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:13:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08464.E4D479E0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:17:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I have a question. > > With the dawn of >1Ghz processors and very small to zero latency audio > cards, would it not be possible to produce a Repeater/EDP like emulation in > software? The problem is obviously the latency, but if the software is > clever, it can adjust looping tracks' position to compensate for the delay > so that only the first pass through (the "live" material) is subject to > latency. After the first pass, the program bumps the track up 5 to 15ms so > that it is in synch again. A 'wet only' looper is perfectly plausible. In fact, there was never any reason for it not to be - delays are affected by latency, because they >are< latency. You just have to compensate for it. However, you >would< hit latency issues when changing something, such as ending a loop recording, switching loops, or erasing a loop. I believe there is already an echoplex emulations programmed in Reaktor. I have yet to try it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 14:16:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32252; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:14:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:14:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Non-Loop [last time-honest] Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:12:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2001 19:12:31.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[44ECAC20:01C084A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve says, whilst in the bodies we're presently using, and anyone professing to >actually have all the answers, well... Trichinosis!? Dang. Well, can I get an order of fries then? Robb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 14:23:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32543; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:21:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c084a8$37a05340$0301a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Non-Loop [last time-honest] Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:19:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brer "Robert Eberwein" say: > >whilst in the bodies we're presently using, and anyone professing to > >actually have all the answers, well... > > Trichinosis!? Dang. Well, can I get an order of fries then? Only if they're CURLY LOOPED fries...! :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 14:25:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32708; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:24:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:24:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010122192227.59509.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any updated regarding the windoze port of MAX? stephen --- Andrew Pask wrote: > I spent a bit of time down there in "Mac alley" in > Anaheim over the weekend > too. Mostly to check out Max 4 and MSP 2, the long > awaited sequels from the > cycling74 mob. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 16:32:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05747; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6CA599.62DAA453@puma.att.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:26:50 -0500 From: Mike Hunter Reply-To: mihunter@us.ibm.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST ! References: <3.0.5.32.20010122003433.007b2ea0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------04F5E7ABCD63A9196988F299" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------04F5E7ABCD63A9196988F299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could also set up a mail filter and direct the Loopers-Delight mail into a different folder, like I do. This is easy to do with most e-mail software... MH Tim Nelson wrote: > Just go to the same place where you signed up and read the directions for > unsubscribing. (It's not the same address as the list.) > > Then if you only want to know about the Zoom Sampletrack, visit the Loopers > Delight mailing list archives from time to time and just do a search. You > don't have to be subscribed to read the archives, but you do have to be > subscribed to post to the list. > > At 11:53 PM 1/21/01 EST, you wrote: > >PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT IS TAKING UP SO MUCH ROOM IN MY MAIL > >BOX. O IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN JUST RECIEVE MAIL THAT ONLY HAS SOMETHING > TO > >DO WITH THE ZOOM SAMPLETRACK? CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SAMPLER I HAVE AND I > CAN > >USE SOME TIPS ON USING IT. PLEASE HELP ME OUT! PEACE.. -- Mike Hunter Data Analyst/System Engineer I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv IBM Global Services/AT&T SDI Project AT&T R&D South Middletown, NJ (732)-420-1096 --------------04F5E7ABCD63A9196988F299 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mhunter.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Hunter Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mhunter.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hunter;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://puma.att.com/~mhunter org:IBM Global Services: AT&T SDI Project;Data Quality Lead-Systems Engineer version:2.1 email;internet:mihunter@us.ibm.com title:I/T Specialist-AD/M Bus Ana Adv note:(732)-420-1096 adr;quoted-printable:;;B5-2A06=0D=0AAT&T R&D South=0D=0A200 Laurel Ave.=0D=0A;Middletown;NJ;07742;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;-29904 fn:Mike Hunter end:vcard --------------04F5E7ABCD63A9196988F299-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 18:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09569; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:31:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010122183201.007bfa10@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:32:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush In-Reply-To: <048e01c08483$0cbeffc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:53 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Dennis Leas wrote: >(What? No manual?) The "manual" is only one sheet of paper, it's that simple. Most of it is on the site. >What does "active the looping function" mean? It just means "open the loop" or "begin recording"... >Isn't there a little three position slide switch that selects "Looping >Rec" mode? Yes. That's the switch that distinguishes it from regular delay mode and tape-echo simulation mode. "Looping Rec" (far right) is the one you want. :-) >Why do you have to press the LEFT button to activate the looping >function? You don't; it's the RIGHT button that starts the recording. You may be confusing 'mode' with 'function'; if you tried a Headrush out firsthand, you'd have it figured out within five minutes, believe me. Especially if you stay in Looping Mode; most of the knobs (all of them but 'Level', actually) are for the other modes and have no function while looping. >What happens if you don't and you go ahead and try to loop? You will have no input to the loop, only straight-through dry signal. Stepping on the RIGHT button starts the recording. Stepping on the LEFT button stops the recording and begins loop playback. Stepping on the RIGHT button again (provided your loop hasn't exceeded 11.9 seconds) opens the loop for overdubbing. (If your initial loop exceeds 11.9 seconds, you will not be able to overdub. This single-layer loop can be up to 23.8 seconds long.) When you want the loop to stop playing, step on the LEFT button again. Your loop will be stored until you step on the RIGHT button again or unplug the unit. > >Does anything happen if you press the RIGHT button to close the loop? Yes, you lose your first layer and start recording all over again. > Like does this close the loop and put you into overdub mode? Nope, that takes a quick LEFT button - RIGHT button two-step. >3) Ok, say that you close the loop by pressing the LEFT button and you >made a loop less than 11.9 seconds in length. Now you're going to make >an overdub. You press the RIGHT button, play some stuff, and press the >LEFT button to end the overdub, correct? And you can repeat the >process to overdub some more, correct again? Exactly. >4) Say that you've made several overdubs and ended each by pressing the >LEFT button. Now to erase all the overdubs, you press the RIGHT button >(as if you were starting a new overdub), and then press the RIGHT >button again. Correct? No, you press the LEFT button to stop the playback, then stomp the RIGHT button to begin the fresh recording. Actually, two quick presses on the RIGHT button WILL do what you've described, but it's harder to do it in time without confusing what your fingers are doing. But then again, you're a percussionist, Dennis, and are probably more coordinated than I am. >5) Do the LEDs indicate "overdubable" status in any way (i.e., that >your loop is less than 11.9 seconds)? No. If you've exceeded 11.9, the little red light won't come on when you try to overdub. >Or whether you're in overdub mode or not? Yes, the RED light is on whenever you are recording. The GREEN light is on whenever the loop is playing back. >Does any LED wink at you at the loop end (or beginning)? It begins to flash a couple of seconds before you reach 11.9 seconds. >6) How do you erase the "base" loop (the first one you made)? By first stopping the loop then recording again. See above; it's the LEFT-RIGHT two-step... (or the quick RIGHT-RIGHT for the rhythmically confident.) >Can you erase it without starting a new loop? No, but since the LEFT button stops playback, it's pretty much the same thing. You don't need to step on the RIGHT button again until you're good and ready to start a new loop. >Can you tell the Headrush to stop at the loop end instead of >immediately? You can, but it won't listen to you. Try to stomp the LEFT button on the beat; it cuts off pretty abruptly... > >7) There no "loop once" or "stutter restart" function? Nope. > >8) Any Hearush owners websites? Just Loopers Delight as far as I'm aware... Hope this helps... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 19:23:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11232; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:22:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:22:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:21:26 EST Subject: Older EDP Prices Dropping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy, it looks like the new batch of Gibson EDP units from Alto Music has affected the going rate for Oberheim EDP's on eBay. I paid a grand for my Oberheim a few months ago. Now, I'm seeing them for base auction prices of $650. I have one out there for $750 with no takers. I just received my Gibson EDP from Alto Music last week and thought I'd sell off my older Oberheim unit for some quick cash. Oh well, brother-sync, here we come.... Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 20:06:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12478; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:04:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:03:06 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison" Message-Id: <980211786.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Body Synth Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any more info on this body suit? Web address please... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 20:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12499; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:05:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:02:42 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison" Message-Id: <980211762.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Body Synth Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any more info on this body suit? Web address please... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 20:20:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12878; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:18:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:18:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:17:24 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 22/1/01 at 12:56, lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > > I have a question. > > With the dawn of >1Ghz processors and very small to zero latency audio > cards, would it not be possible to produce a Repeater/EDP like emulation in > software? I think that's pretty much the idea with a lot of these new apps. BTW, I've couple more MAX/MSP looping/DJ type thingies for anybody out there who might own a Macintosh. http://www.yowstar.com/index.html and http://www.audibleoddities.com/max_msp/drool_string_ukelele_v1.0.sit Both will need OMS. >The problem is obviously the latency, but if the software is > clever, it can adjust looping tracks' position to compensate for the delay > so that only the first pass through (the "live" material) is subject to > latency. After the first pass, the program bumps the track up 5 to 15ms so > that it is in synch again. Sort of. But then how will it adjust for the latency it introduces while looking around trying to figure out the latency... (da de da de da) > Is this a function of market demand, > that a product like this has not been made available? > Not according to all the people who are trying to sell products like this. I think it's pretty much two things. 1. Nobody really wants to watch some clown twiddling away on a laptop all night. I think when it comes down to a trade off between interface functionality and air guitar factor most musicians will go for the latter. (ever see anyone set fire to their mouse ?) 2. It's harder to write realtime DSP apps for windoze L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 20:29:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13092; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:27:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:27:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101230127.RAA04484@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:28:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2r4q7C.A.ZMD.x3Nb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am also a huge user of a click track(pcm42) so all my loops are sycned to the click. i would love to find somethin to get a click out of the EDP. someone knows somethin, i'm hopin...stanner ---------- >From: "Jon Wagner" >To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Click Track from EDP >Date: Mon, Jan 22, 2001, 11:53 AM > >I got my EDP on friday and have already made some really exciting music over >the weekend. Here's what I noticed that I would really like to be able to >do: > >I would like some small module which connects to the sync output (or midi >output) of the EDP and produces an audible click track which would go into >my headphones. I'm sure one exists, I just don't know how to look for it! >Can anyone help? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 21:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14945; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6CF0D7.5D40FB8B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:49:09 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew Pask wrote: > ...(ever see anyone set > fire to their mouse ?) > > no, but i'll admit i've been tempted at times... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 23:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17749; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:29:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47E4@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, I tried an AKAI head rush. that unit just doesn't do it for me at all. I was really disappointed. Even the salesman at the store was embarrassed. Maybe it was a defective unit? Denis Taaffe aliengtr@hotmail.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush At 09:53 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Dennis Leas wrote: >(What? No manual?) The "manual" is only one sheet of paper, it's that simple. Most of it is on the site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 22 23:48:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18374; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:47:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:47:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [170.76.75.70] From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My EDP for sale-- still available Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:45:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2001 04:45:47.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AA9A630:01C084F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, The person who was going to purchase my EDP ran into financial difficulty and had to back out. So it's available again. Let me know to my email if you are interested. $650 footswitch included. Maxed out ram, manual. Original version of software(I think ver3.0- the one before ver5) Excellent condition, been in my rack the whole time. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 00:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18980; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:05:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: New CD, New Web Site Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Self-promotional spam: (a dangerous activity on this list lately :-) I have a new CD out. Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub: Themes to Imaginary Mini-Series 1992-2000 It's not the new Minus disc. it's a dub/jazz/electronic project that's (obviously) been in the works for a while. For more info and mp3's: http://www.newandimprov.com/ATD.html CD's are $10, including US postage, and I'm also open to trades (CD's, whatever, make me an offer). There's also an mp3.com page on the way: http://www.mp3.com/admiraltwinkledev Also, I finally got a new web site up: www.newandimprov.com ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 00:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19809; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:45:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Older EDP Prices Dropping? From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101230432.XAA17844@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Boy, it looks like the new batch of Gibson EDP units from Alto Music has >affected the going rate for Oberheim EDP's on eBay. I paid a grand for my >Oberheim a few months ago. Now, I'm seeing them for base auction prices of >$650. I have one out there for $750 with no takers. I think it's a case of "used examples sell for less than new examples" and "things in ready supply sell for less than rare things (or things believed to be discontinued)". A used EDP should go for about $500 given a ready supply of new models for around $650. In six months there will be used Gibson EDP's hitting the market and the inevitable question will arise: why do the Oberheim EDP's sound better than the Gibson ones?* (Gearhead kneejerk answer: because they're older!) My advice is wait to sell your Oberheim box until then, and make sure to mention something in the eBay description about um, "even harmonic emphasis in the input stage op-amp", "tube-like warmth" and "pre-Gibson US model". You'll get your money. TravisH *Note: There is no evidence that this is true. Regardless, this theory will arise and be fiercely advocated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 06:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25549; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:10:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:10:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c0852d$583a1d40$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010122183201.007bfa10@pop.ici.net> Subject: transporting effects safely Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:12:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7KGVdC.A.7OG.jZWb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a novice about rackmount stuff, but I've acquired a few pieces of equipment lately that I will eventually need to put in a rack, and when repeater shows up of course I'll want it to be placed in a stable case as well. I figure the best way to do all of this is to buy a case that is suitable for transport (flight case perhaps?) and just use that for studio as well as live use. I don't really know where to start though, and my pockets aren't too deep so I don't want to be hasty. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 09:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28557; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:03:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:03:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <064201c08544$10889230$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47E4@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:54:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thanks to John McCullagh, Tim Nelson, and Phalen Orion for details on the Headrush. I think I understand it enough, now. Thanks, guys! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 09:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28825; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:18:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:18:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <064901c08546$0092cec0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: looper interfaces (was: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:08:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0646_01C0851C.1791E630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0646_01C0851C.1791E630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Andrew Pask" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 > I was talking with the programmers down there > about what constituted the "ultimate looping app" and the idea for = them is that > there isn't one. The ultimate looping app doesn't exist because the = specifics > of the music are the things which ultimately determine the = configuration of the > app, and these are changing all the time as the music evolves. So = their idea is > that the ultimate looping app (ULA) is one which is "customizable" to = a large > degree without giving away too much of the "still works while groping = around for > it in the dark on the bandstand" factor. Precisely. I have a set of tools for constructing loopers for the Kyma. = They're not complete but pretty close. As a test, I'm trying to = replicate the behavior of hardware loopers. The replicated loopers = aren't intended to replace the original boxes (it would be pretty stupid = to replace a $200 box with a Kyma system!) but to enable the study of = different user interfaces for loopers. I believe the interface as = important as the functionality. After all, at some level the difference = between a guitar and a violin is the user interface! 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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Pask" <andrew@kaleidacousticon.com>
Sent:=20 Monday, January 22, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from = Cycling=20 '74
> I was talking with the programmers down there
> about = what=20 constituted the "ultimate looping app" and the idea for them is = that
>=20 there isn't one. The ultimate looping app doesn't exist because  = the=20 specifics
> of the music are the things which ultimately determine = the=20 configuration of the
> app, and these are changing all the time as = the=20 music evolves. So their idea is
> that the ultimate looping app = (ULA) is=20 one which is "customizable" to a large
> degree without giving = away too=20 much of the "still works while groping around for
> it in the dark = on the=20 bandstand" factor.
 
Precisely.  I have a set of tools for constructing loopers for = the=20 Kyma.  They're not complete but pretty close.  As a test, I'm = trying=20 to replicate the behavior of hardware loopers.  The replicated = loopers=20 aren't intended to replace the original boxes (it would be pretty stupid = to=20 replace a $200 box with a Kyma system!) but to enable the study of = different=20 user interfaces for loopers.  I believe the interface as important = as the=20 functionality.  After all, at some level the difference between a = guitar=20 and a violin is the user interface!
 
Dennis = Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
------=_NextPart_000_0646_01C0851C.1791E630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 10:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30297; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:10:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:10:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <066d01c0854d$4f211cc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200101230127.RAA04484@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:01:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .... i would love to find somethin to get a click out of the EDP. > someone knows somethin, i'm hopin...stanner I did a brief web search on MIDI metronome and found this DIY project. Sounds like it might work for you. I think you should be able to find a software version of a MIDI metronome somewheres, too. http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ Hope this helps! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 10:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30868; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:30:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6E1EE4.5F33B97A@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:16:36 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP References: <200101230127.RAA04484@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <066d01c0854d$4f211cc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its not really what he wants as this doityourself only gives visual metronome (leds) something you may perhaps find in a future EDP upgrade.... why dont you find an very inexpensive drum machine for that that would read the clock from midi out Claude Dennis Leas wrote: > > > .... i would love to find somethin to get a click out of the EDP. > > someone knows somethin, i'm hopin...stanner > > I did a brief web search on MIDI metronome and found this DIY project. > Sounds like it might work for you. I think you should be able to find a > software version of a MIDI metronome somewheres, too. > > http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > > Hope this helps! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 10:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31247; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:38:01 EST Subject: RE: Click Track from EDP To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey: I use a drum machine connected to the MIDI out of the EDP to generate 'click tracks' that I also record on a separate track on my VS840ex (for ultimate replacement with more dynamic drum accompaniement). However, when I set the EDP to loopcopy only timing, the drum machine cuts out and I'm faced with the same situation as the originator of this message. The only solution I've been able to come up with is to record only a simple bass or other pattern on the original and subsequent loops (and have loopcopy set to copy SND)then add what I really want to have on the orininal and subsequent tracks since the drum machine will then play on and keep the drum tracks playing for the timing aspect. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 11:17:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32339; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:05:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >(ever see anyone set >fire to their mouse ?) now that's a cool idea! speaking of taking traditional 'air guitar' techniques... during our conversation at the namm show, Damon spoke of a chemical brothers show where one of the guys came out and did a 'guitar' solo with (what he thought was) a Sherman Filterbank! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 15:18:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06010; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:14:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> Subject: OT: Fender at NAMM? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wondering if any of you Nammsters saw/heard the new Fender modelling amp, and could offer a quick take. I'm much in need of an amp, as running through a pod and monitors is wearing a little thin, in every sense....was all set to get a Jake, but now I'm thinking of waiting for the Cyber-Twin to arrive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 15:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06018; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:15:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:15:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c08577$d8aea320$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> Subject: For Sale: Boomerang and Korg D8 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:05:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm about to put these up on ebay, and thought I'd post them here first. Both are in like new condition. Reasonable offers. Contact me directly if you're interested: become_1@email.msn.com Bruce Comens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 15:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06967; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0857c$5b535240$9683abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Splitter Mixer With True Independent Channels Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:37:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allen & Heath mixwizard. I own a old GL2 model that has been the father of the new models, it is great. I really suggest it for looping, looping the loop, processing the processed. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 15:51:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07355; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:49:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:49:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6DEF98.ED44E930@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:58:28 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Fender at NAMM? References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com become_1 wrote: > ....was all set to get a Jake, but now I'm thinking of waiting for the > Cyber-Twin to > arrive. what's a jake? quizically, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 16:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09028; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:34:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Fender at NAMM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com curious to why your POD and monitor situation is not working for you? i follow the line6 message board occasionally, and lots of folks are having really good luck with a POD/poweramp/monitor setup, or running into just the poweramp section of their amps via the fx return. what's your setup like? rich ps. if a jake is a Johnson, then that decision is up to you. The current POD vs. Johnson argument is as bad than the EDP vs. Repeater. Me, i'll take the line6 sound anyday. >Wondering if any of you Nammsters saw/heard the new Fender modelling amp, >and could offer a quick take. I'm much in need of an amp, as running >through a pod and monitors is wearing a little thin, in every sense....was >all set to get a Jake, but now I'm thinking of waiting for the Cyber-Twin to >arrive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:05:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09997; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200101232201.OAA02158@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:02:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanx that is cool, but it is a *visual* display and unfortunately i'm lookin for something that puts out a voltage. like the clock out of the pcm 42 is a TTL-level(0 to +5 volt) square wave which i then amplify! i know, old technology but i'm hoping there's something out there that will hook up to the EDP...thanx,stanner ---------- >From: "Dennis Leas" >To: >Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP >Date: Tue, Jan 23, 2001, 8:01 AM > >> .... i would love to find somethin to get a click out of the EDP. >> someone knows somethin, i'm hopin...stanner > >I did a brief web search on MIDI metronome and found this DIY project. >Sounds like it might work for you. I think you should be able to find a >software version of a MIDI metronome somewheres, too. > >http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > > >Hope this helps! > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10399; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:12:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:12:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:10:36 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Fender at NAMM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA10345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> rich@nuvisionsca.com 01/23/01 01:42PM >>> > curious to why your POD and monitor situation is not working for you? i follow the line6 message board occasionally, and lots of folks are having really good luck with a POD / poweramp / monitor setup, or running into just the poweramp section of their amps via the fx return. what's your setup like? rich I use a Boss GT-5 with a power amp and 3-way speaker setup, and find that it doesn't have the projection that you get using guitar speakers. If your monitors are GREAT, then yes, the sound is very good... but in a dense mix, I find that guitar speakers really get through better. I'm currently now in the quandry of getting better guitar sound vs. full-range sound for my drum machine, vocals and keys. It's definitely more damn gear to carry... > ps. if a jake is a Johnson, then that decision is up to you. The current POD vs. Johnson argument is as bad than the EDP vs. Repeater. Me, i'll take the line6 sound anyday. I'm guessing, but there is a "Jake" amp made by Rivera. >> Wondering if any of you Nammsters saw/heard the new Fender modelling amp, and could offer a quick take. I'm much in need of an amp, as running through a pod and monitors is wearing a little thin, in every sense....was all set to get a Jake, but now I'm thinking of waiting for the Cyber-Twin to arrive. I wonder if they've "nailed" that Fender sound? Will it have emulations of other amps as well? -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:20:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10777; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6E0287.6A777240@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:15:35 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP References: <200101232201.OAA02158@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6EiL-D.A.unC.SLgb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use an old Roland 626 drum machine that will accept a midi clock and then put out midi and a +5 volt pulse signal. I use the cv to sync my old Digitech Time Machines with my midi looper (a Jamman). Plus you can put an audible click wherever you want, or any drum voice. lol, Jeff stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > thanx that is cool, but it is a *visual* display and unfortunately i'm > lookin for something that puts out a voltage. like the clock out of the pcm > 42 is a TTL-level(0 to +5 volt) square wave which i then amplify! i know, > old technology but i'm hoping there's something out there that will hook up > to the EDP...thanx,stanner > > >http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > > > > > >Hope this helps! > > > >Dennis Leas > >------------------- > >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11055; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:22:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:22:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010123172053.009eb420@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:23:29 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: NYC GIG SNAFU, urgent memo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
my apologies to anyone for whom this message spells S.P.A.M.

NYC GIG GOES SOUTH AT THE LAST MOMENT...

the _rewatching_ release celebration, originally scheduled for tomorrow night - 1/24 at the parkside lounge is NOT HAPPENING there.

the owners of that establishment have pre-empted my show (which was booked 3 weeks ago) in favor of a last minute request by a neighboring club to use the room for a party. i will name the usurper-club in question to anyone who's either curious or buying, which ever comes thirst.

there's an effort being made to move my show to the pink pony for tomorrow night (the same 1/24), but since it's getting kind of late in the day i figured i'd better let you all know... something.

if you were hoping to see the performance, you can e- me and i'll let you know the latest as soon as i know it.

i guess it's going to go without saying that the next months' anti:clockwise weds. night series at the parkside is also getting cancelled (but this time by me. once bitten, and all that...)


sorry for the inconvenience and to you bother with this. in addition to my personal disappointment, i really hate having to boycott forever any place that has a 5 for .50 pinball machine; but sometimes life forces these situatuations upon us.

robert

or as grace slick was reported to have remarked upon getting her car back from the shop, broken:
"if i'm gonna get screwed, i at least wanna cum."





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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:31:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11744; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:29:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:29:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6E0578.C08C65BD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:28:07 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, GR-30@egroups.com Subject: Pod VS Johnson References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A while ago I wrote to the list and asked about the Pod and the Johnson. I decided that I'd go for a total amp upgrade, and get a Line6 Flextone II XL. After a week of tweeking, I was unhappy. While I got some good , though very bassy, guitar sound, I use a Roland GR-30 Guitar Synth and I need something that can produce a full range. I ended up totally ditching the guitar amp, and running the guitar/synth into a Digitech 2112 tube preamp and effects (much of what's probably inside the Johnson Millinium amps, I would suspect.) and directly through my JamMan and into a pair of Peavey KB60 keyboard amps. It was like turning on a light in a dim room! The guitar alone sounded much better, and the synth sounds, well it was no contest. I returned the amp to Haight St Music (who were VERY nice about it, although I had it for almost a month and had missplaced my receipt and was beyond the 7 day exchange policy) and exchanged it for a Roland MC-307 Groovebox. Very nice little drum&bass machine, pretty much a full function sequencer with on board sounds. Lot's of them. My two cents. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 17:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12053; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c0858b$177a1900$070c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Fender at NAMM? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:22:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3sn2KD.A.r4C.9Ygb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Didn't mean to be vague, it's the Jake by Rivera that i was thinking of--tubes all the way. Actually I was wondering if I could switch the Pod in and out of the Rivera somehow, so I could get the Rivera sounds, then run the pod sounds through it as well. At present I'm running the pod into a mixer into Alesis monitors, with loops drum machine etc added in. I guess it sounds like a guitar amp being played back through monitors, i.e., it's ok but doesn't have the juice i'd like. The Fender seems interesting because it includes tubes in the preamp, and they claim that it is a radical step forward from current modelers--actually they claim it isn't a modeler, which seems a semantic/marketing quibble---reconfiguring the components of the amp (tone stacks, preamps, power amp) according to your selection. It "does" over 30 amps (most of which are Fenders, which seems like overkill), and has many user presets. You can also reconfigure it any way you want, inventing new hybrids etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 18:01:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13456; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:59:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:59:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6E0578.C08C65BD@zerocrossing.net> References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> <3A6E0578.C08C65BD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:49:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Pod VS Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Digitech 2112 tube preamp and effects (much of >what's probably inside the Johnson Millinium amps, I would suspect.) well, i must confess, most of my hands on experience with johnson is from the crappy rawk band i found myself playing bass for last year...the one i got kicked out of for not 'wanting it bad enough'...the guitarist played a parker fly through a millenium and came up with some very anemic guitar sounds...so chalk some of it up to biased opinions, i guess...and the fact that i've had great fun and good luck with my POD for the last year and a half... not doing much too live work at the moment, but had great sound running the POD into the poweramp input of my Fender hot rod deluxe 2/12, bypassing the preamp. Just recently sold the Fender to a friend, and have been running the POD into a Carvin AG-100 (or AB-100, forget which) and although i'm not a total 'tone freak', i've been very happy with the results (and i haven't even got down into lots of tweaking). If you are running a POD into an amp, just try the models without the cabinet simulations first. The cab sims running through actual speakers can make things very dark and bassy. The Carvin is cool...100 watts (i think) solid state, 3 channels each with their own fx send and eq, with some voicing options for each channel. Nice sound and SUPER LIGHT. If i end up playing out again soon, i might get another to go stereo and beef up the sound. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 18:56:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15197; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c0862d$60504ee0$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47E4@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:44:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hopefully it is defective, cause it really comes down to the player. And usually smucks in store's know shit. out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: RE: Akai E1 Headrush > Man, I tried an AKAI head rush. that unit just doesn't do it for me at all. > I was really disappointed. Even the salesman at the store was embarrassed. > Maybe it was a defective unit? > Denis Taaffe > aliengtr@hotmail.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush > > > At 09:53 AM 1/22/01 -0500, Dennis Leas wrote: > >(What? No manual?) > > The "manual" is only one sheet of paper, it's that simple. Most of it is on > the site. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 21:33:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19516; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:30:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:30:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <83.5ed4d77.279f95a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:19:15 EST Subject: Re: NYC GIG SNAFU, urgent memo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_83.5ed4d77.279f95a3_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_83.5ed4d77.279f95a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/01 5:24:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org writes: > - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - > robert.....a wonderful site!.....the cover art was excellent.....keep us posted on the mp3s.....thanks.....michael --part1_83.5ed4d77.279f95a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/01 5:24:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org writes:


- just what the world needs... another frikkin url -


robert.....a wonderful site!.....the cover art was excellent.....keep us
posted on the mp3s.....thanks.....michael --part1_83.5ed4d77.279f95a3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 21:51:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20302; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:48:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:48:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <88.170f54d.279f9a78@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:39:52 EST Subject: woefully wondering.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.170f54d.279f9a78_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_88.170f54d.279f9a78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/01 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, c_jas@optusnet.com.au writes: > was this from a CSN song?......:).....michael --part1_88.170f54d.279f9a78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/01 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
c_jas@optusnet.com.au writes:


usually smucks in store's know shit
was this from a CSN song?......:).....michael --part1_88.170f54d.279f9a78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 21:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20528; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:55:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101240233.VAA19575@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8DUmdB.A.FAF.TQkb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Man, I tried an AKAI head rush. that unit just doesn't do it for me at all. >I was really disappointed. Even the salesman at the store was embarrassed. >Maybe it was a defective unit? If you didn't like the actual sonic quality, I'd suspect something was amiss. If you found the interface and feature set a bit puzzling, that was business as usual for the Headrush. Like all loopers, it has at least one feature that only it does, and at least one thing that you can't understand why it won't. The totally unique aspect of the Headrush is the four-head tape echo simulator, with four separate outs. How really usable this is for you is something only you can decide. Everyone jizzes at the idea of running it into four separate channels on their mixer and applying a different effect to each channel and then panning all the channels to...you get the picture. It's neat, but probably not something that you're going to do at every gig (or even two...). BTW, you can use the four-head simulator with fewer than four outs, and it's still quite neat sounding. The almost-unique feature of the Headrush is the ability to define a "foundation" loop, overdub ad infinitum and then erase all the overdubs, leaving only the foundation loop. You can do this with an EDP, to an extent, depending on how much memory you've got loaded, but at some point you'll always exceed that, and then you lose the last layer of undo. The use the Headrush for two main purposes: 1) Working out harmony parts using the "undo" feature. I can quickly throw the HR into the signal path of anything I'm using with much more ease than patching in one of the EDPs. This is what I originally bought it for. 2) Using it to split my signal to up to four separate looping devices without having to carry a separate mixer. Everything gets recombined at my Roland KC-300, which has a bunch of inputs. This is what gets the most miles on the HR. My advice, as always: neglect your other responsibilities in life and buy all the toys. You always find a use for them. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 22:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21639; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:18:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:18:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:17:11 -0800 Subject: Re: transporting effects safely From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8jS2qB.A.mRF.Dlkb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am a novice about rackmount stuff, but I've acquired a few pieces of >equipment lately that I will eventually need to put in a rack, and when >repeater shows up of course I'll want it to be placed in a stable case as >well. I figure the best way to do all of this is to buy a case that is >suitable for transport (flight case perhaps?) and just use that for studio >as well as live use. I don't really know where to start though, and my >pockets aren't too deep so I don't want to be hasty. Can someone point me in >the right direction? Thanks. You've got three basic options: the plastic SKB type, the classic Anvil type, and the ATA-approved flight case (shockmounted), in increasing order of price, protection offered, and weight. My experience with the SKB's is that over time they bend and warp, from weather and the weight of the gear within. After a while the covers don't fit so tight and in several examples, the rack warps enough to bend the front plates of the gear within. And while I've never had anything break as a result of this, it worries me. These were also full, or nearly full cases being loaded in and out on the average of three times a week, although we noticed warpage in the first few months. If you're moving them only occasionally, do it all yourself (no helpful friends or club doofs), and don't have much heavy stuff inside, you'll probably be fine. Personally I don't like the regular wooden Anvil cases much either. They don't seem that much more rigid than the SKBs, but they're much heavier. ATA-approved cases (the foam-lined wooden box-in-a-box with recessed hinges, or Mesa-style suspended cage) offer maximum protection, but cost two or three times as much as the cheap option and weigh a punishing amount. Fully-loaded they can destroy car interiors, door jambs, car side panels, your knees, your hands, etc. Even with all those problems, when I add up the value of everything I want to put in a rack, they still seem the best solution to me. TravisH P.S. The SKB effect-cases? Not if you're ever going to take them outside the house. Just look at that wimpy back panel. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 23 22:21:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21621; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:18:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0864a$9f6e9420$02000003@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: References: <88.170f54d.279f9a78@aol.com> Subject: Re: woefully wondering.... Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:14:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08607.90B44440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <71kzuD.A.tQF.ekkb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08607.90B44440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I looped that 1 up. we better end this here before we get in trouble 4 non loop talk. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: woefully wondering.... In a message dated 1/23/01 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 c_jas@optusnet.com.au writes:=20 usually smucks in store's know shit was this from a CSN song?......:).....michael=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08607.90B44440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    No, I looped that 1 = up.
    we better end this = here
    before we get in trouble 4 non = loop=20 talk.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 = 6:39=20 PM
Subject: woefully = wondering....

In a = message dated=20 1/23/01 6:53:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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usually smucks in store's know = shit

was this from a=20 CSN song?......:).....michael = ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08607.90B44440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 00:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25755; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:55:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:53:27 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I would like some small module which connects to the sync output (or >midi output) of the EDP and produces an audible click track which >would go into my headphones. I'm sure one exists, I just don't know >how to look for it! Can anyone help? I agree that the nicest way is a simple MIDI drum machine. The simplest way is with the BeatSync output that was intended for this. Param Sync (Timing-Insert) needs to be OUT. It creates a click (really just a click, no beautifull sound) at every cycle. As you mention, you need to start with a rather short cycle and then multiply over it. There are other advantages to this kind of "slicing" anyway. >I found that when I used NEXTLOOP into an empty loop with the same >timing as the old loop, I had much dificulty matching my playing to >the old tempo exactly! I was trying to watch the multiply # change >on the beginning of each cycle. Fine for short cycles, but >rediculous for multiple measure long cycles. I dont trust the visual control, somehow, but nevertheless, Eberhard Weber convinced me to include flashing LEDs in the upgrade, controlled by 8th/Beat factor. For your situation I personaly would prefer to use LoopCopy or NextMultiply with FB zero, so you listen to the previous loop as a guide while you record the next one. No click nessesary and a musical conection is given. Depending on the music, of course, the previous and next loop may not sound nice together, but I experience that even if you change the harmonies drastically, it does not hurt so much, because we automatically listen more to the new loop and perceive the previous as a comforting obsolete base... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 01:15:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26460; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP (question for Kim) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:04:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <75n74B.A.MdG.qAnb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I ordered the voltage regulator from DigiKey, and put it in, but I am getting some weird results. Either the display flickers a few times and turns off completely, or a few LEDs just stay on. This is on a short power-up after I put in the part- methinks I screwed up somewhere. I took #'s u40 & u28, as well as the heatsink out The new voltage regulator will only fit in one way, with the 'blank PC board' side facing the front of the unit. I am guessing "pin 3, on the right when looking at the front of the part" is pin3 on the right with the blank side facing me. Let me know if it makes sense what I did, and please tell me where things went horribly wrong. thanks! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > You need to change the two +5V linear regulators at the back of > the unit to > a switching regulator. These are 5 volt regulators U40, and U28. When you > take the top off the echoplex, they will be the two in the back > attached to > the heatsink. These power two 5 volt digital sections. > > The part used in current Echoplex production to replace these is the Power > Trends (http://www.powertrends.com/) PT5101N 5V switching regulator. You > should be able to get this part from Digikey (www.digikey.com). This part > is a drop-in replacement for the standard 3-pin linear > regulators, and they > work great. You can actually use one of these to replace both of > the linear > regulators, and it works just fine. This is what they do in > production now. > > You need to take the PCB out of the chassis to do it. To do that, unscrew > the front panel, unscrew the pcb, unscrew the heat sink from the back, and > remove the nuts from the jacks on the back. It should pop right out. What > you want to do is unscrew the regulators from the heatsink. Desolder and > remove both U28 and U40, the linear regs. Take the heat sink out > altogether > since it will be in the way, and you won't need it anymore. > > Solder the PT5101 into one of the regulator spots (the left one is a good > choice). The PT5101 is pin compatible with the linear regs, so > there should > be no trouble with that. Now solder a wire from it's output pin (pin 3, on > the right when looking at the front of the part) to the output hole (pin 3 > again) for the other regulator location. Use reasonably thick wire, > probably 18 gauge is ok. This way the PT5101 will be supplying power for > both the +5V rails the old regulators powered. Put the PCB back in the > chassis and screw it back together. Now power it up and make sure > it works! > You should see the Echoplex runs practically at room temperature now, and > hopefully that cures the trouble. > > Let me know if you have questions. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 01:30:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27150; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:33:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Click Track from EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey: > >I use a drum machine connected to the MIDI out of the EDP to >generate 'click tracks' that I also record on a separate track on >my VS840ex (for ultimate replacement with more dynamic drum >accompaniement). However, when I set the EDP to loopcopy only >timing, the drum machine cuts out and I'm faced with the same >situation as the originator of this message. wow, looks like you found a bug! (the second in V3.5 :-) Or can anyone think of a situation where such behaviour would make sense? Ok, the upgrade... >The only solution I've been able to come up with is to record only a >simple bass or other pattern on the original and subsequent loops >(and have loopcopy set to copy SND)then add what I really want to >have on the orininal and subsequent tracks since the drum machine >will then play on and keep the drum tracks playing for the timing >aspect. > >Regards, Paul smart solution... Sorry Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 03:43:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29939; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:38:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:38:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:35:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP (question for Kim) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave- you definitely put it in backwards. the blank side should be facing the back of the unit. I noticed that those parts have changed a bit over the years so they don't fit in as neatly as they used to in that spot. You have to bend the leads so it leans back a little bit. kim At 10:04 PM -0800 1/23/01, future perfect wrote: >I ordered the voltage regulator from DigiKey, and put it in, but I am >getting some weird results. Either the display flickers a few times and >turns off completely, or a few LEDs just stay on. This is on a short >power-up after I put in the part- methinks I screwed up somewhere. > >I took #'s u40 & u28, as well as the heatsink out >The new voltage regulator will only fit in one way, with the 'blank PC >board' side facing the front of the unit. >I am guessing "pin 3, on the right when looking at the front of the part" is >pin3 on the right with the blank side facing me. Let me know if it makes >sense what I did, and please tell me where things went horribly wrong. > >thanks! >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > >> >> You need to change the two +5V linear regulators at the back of >> the unit to >> a switching regulator. These are 5 volt regulators U40, and U28. When you >> take the top off the echoplex, they will be the two in the back >> attached to >> the heatsink. These power two 5 volt digital sections. >> >> The part used in current Echoplex production to replace these is the Power >> Trends (http://www.powertrends.com/) PT5101N 5V switching regulator. You >> should be able to get this part from Digikey (www.digikey.com). This part >> is a drop-in replacement for the standard 3-pin linear >> regulators, and they >> work great. You can actually use one of these to replace both of >> the linear >> regulators, and it works just fine. This is what they do in >> production now. >> >> You need to take the PCB out of the chassis to do it. To do that, unscrew >> the front panel, unscrew the pcb, unscrew the heat sink from the back, and >> remove the nuts from the jacks on the back. It should pop right out. What >> you want to do is unscrew the regulators from the heatsink. Desolder and >> remove both U28 and U40, the linear regs. Take the heat sink out >> altogether >> since it will be in the way, and you won't need it anymore. >> >> Solder the PT5101 into one of the regulator spots (the left one is a good >> choice). The PT5101 is pin compatible with the linear regs, so >> there should >> be no trouble with that. Now solder a wire from it's output pin (pin 3, on >> the right when looking at the front of the part) to the output hole (pin 3 >> again) for the other regulator location. Use reasonably thick wire, >> probably 18 gauge is ok. This way the PT5101 will be supplying power for >> both the +5V rails the old regulators powered. Put the PCB back in the >> chassis and screw it back together. Now power it up and make sure >> it works! >> You should see the Echoplex runs practically at room temperature now, and >> hopefully that cures the trouble. >> >> Let me know if you have questions. >> >> kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 04:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31564; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP (question for Kim) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_0yAQC.A.1sH.V-pb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, the humanity! I was hoping that was the case- because taking the old regulators out, one of the pins snapped off. So, pin 3, with the blank side to the back of the unit and facing the front of the unit, is on the right...just connect that to pin 3 of the right side set of pins, right? Yeah, I think I got it...hehe Yeah- it didn't look at all like it will fit in the other way- the pins will definately have to be bent. thanks! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Dave- > > you definitely put it in backwards. the blank side should be facing the > back of the unit. I noticed that those parts have changed a bit over the > years so they don't fit in as neatly as they used to in that > spot. You have > to bend the leads so it leans back a little bit. > > kim > > > At 10:04 PM -0800 1/23/01, future perfect wrote: > >I ordered the voltage regulator from DigiKey, and put it in, but I am > >getting some weird results. Either the display flickers a few times and > >turns off completely, or a few LEDs just stay on. This is on a short > >power-up after I put in the part- methinks I screwed up somewhere. > > > >I took #'s u40 & u28, as well as the heatsink out > >The new voltage regulator will only fit in one way, with the 'blank PC > >board' side facing the front of the unit. > >I am guessing "pin 3, on the right when looking at the front of > the part" is > >pin3 on the right with the blank side facing me. Let me know if it makes > >sense what I did, and please tell me where things went horribly wrong. > > > >thanks! > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > >> > >> You need to change the two +5V linear regulators at the back of > >> the unit to > >> a switching regulator. These are 5 volt regulators U40, and > U28. When you > >> take the top off the echoplex, they will be the two in the back > >> attached to > >> the heatsink. These power two 5 volt digital sections. > >> > >> The part used in current Echoplex production to replace these > is the Power > >> Trends (http://www.powertrends.com/) PT5101N 5V switching > regulator. You > >> should be able to get this part from Digikey (www.digikey.com). This part >> is a drop-in replacement for the standard 3-pin linear >> regulators, and they >> work great. You can actually use one of these to replace both of >> the linear >> regulators, and it works just fine. This is what they do in >> production now. >> >> You need to take the PCB out of the chassis to do it. To do that, unscrew >> the front panel, unscrew the pcb, unscrew the heat sink from the back, and >> remove the nuts from the jacks on the back. It should pop right out. What >> you want to do is unscrew the regulators from the heatsink. Desolder and >> remove both U28 and U40, the linear regs. Take the heat sink out >> altogether >> since it will be in the way, and you won't need it anymore. >> >> Solder the PT5101 into one of the regulator spots (the left one is a good >> choice). The PT5101 is pin compatible with the linear regs, so >> there should >> be no trouble with that. Now solder a wire from it's output pin (pin 3, on >> the right when looking at the front of the part) to the output hole (pin 3 >> again) for the other regulator location. Use reasonably thick wire, >> probably 18 gauge is ok. This way the PT5101 will be supplying power for >> both the +5V rails the old regulators powered. Put the PCB back in the >> chassis and screw it back together. Now power it up and make sure >> it works! >> You should see the Echoplex runs practically at room temperature now, and >> hopefully that cures the trouble. >> >> Let me know if you have questions. >> >> kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 05:59:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00727; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:54:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:54:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ideastudio1@mail.galactica.it Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:00:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bruno kleinefeld Subject: repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <90fd4C.A.FL.BRrb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found out your wonderful site: a paradise for the lonely looper! I'll start witha question: does anybody already bought one of the new Elecrtix Repeater? I'm very anxious to know something about that tool... and here in Italy seems that we have to wait a few months to see it.. thanks Bruno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 06:33:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01833; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c085f7$1d17f6e0$4ec0e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <20010122171731-r01010600-90373de9@192.168.1.1> <004301c08577$ad9995a0$250d1a3f@oemcomputer> <3A6E0578.C08C65BD@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Pod VS Johnson Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:16:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <73nVX.A.Xc.yxrb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These days, I use a GT 3 for my guitar sounds and fx, and I'm very happy with it. It goes straight into my mixer, along with my synths, and I can send everything to my DL4, and then back again thru some fx to phatten up the loops. All this goes to my ten year old cheap European's amp and Ross speakers with 15". Everything sounds very good, but I'm planning to buy a new amp, and smaller speakers. Mainly for transportation reasons. I do still use my Rivera amp too: no digital moddeling (I've tried POD and Johnson too) can match that. But for looping, the GT3 is an excellent source. You can see my gear at http://www.geocities.com/forimul/index.html Click on the Forimul logo, and from there you can go to my "Erogenous Zone", that's the spot between my synths and my amps:), and to my sounds page, with one loop featured piece. live long and prosper Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 08:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04177; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:45:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:45:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <079601c0860a$9f26d0d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Like all loopers, it has at least one feature that only it does, and at > least one thing that you can't understand why it won't. This is my new quote of the month! Nice one, Travis! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 09:36:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05301; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:33:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:33:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07b001c08611$55cba7b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Boomerang Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:24:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a few details on the Boomerang's behavior that I'm not clear on. Can any Boomerang users help? 1) Say that you've recorded a loop (as in tap on RECORD, play, tap on RECORD). And you stop the loop by tapping on PLAY. Now when you restart the loop by tapping on PLAY, does the RECORD LED blink immediately? Or does it blink at the beginning of the first repeat? 2) Say that you do the same operations but you restart the loop by tapping on ONCE. Does the RECORD LED blink immediately? 3) Finally, say that you've been merrily looping (with the RECORD LED blinking at the beginning of each loop) and you press ONCE. The ONCE LED lights up. If you press ONCE again (before the loop ends) does a new playback immediately start? Or do you get the "stuttering" effect only when you start a stopped loop via the ONCE button? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 10:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06417; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: studio_fx@egroups.com, SP-808USERS@egroups.com, digitalhell@resrocket.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: gglb1788@hotmail.comtboyd@phoenix-pop.comtboyd@inetnebr.commieke@sherman.bedonato@iit.edumodzelewski@iit.educhaco@pobox.comabigailfretz@hotmail.comdatapocalypse@earthlink.netit_monkey@hotmail.comrumbae@idt, johnp@wwa.com, jpmccarthy@bell-labs.com, maf@mcs.net, The_Analog_Cottage@compuserve.com, grichter@execpc.com, jpmccarthy@lucent.com, ddg@execpc.com Subject: Upcoming MEME Gig in Chicago Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:00:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2001 15:00:50.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[70C22CB0:01C08616] Resent-Message-ID: <4FPfTC.A.BkB.O5ub6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MEME Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble Presents: Original Classic Electronic Music Saturday January 27th, 9:00pm Followed by performances by: Furrowed + Stacklo Nervous Center 4612 N. Lincoln Avenue Chicago, IL 773-728-5010 The gig will feature live performances on various Synths (analog and v/a), Samplers, Electric Violin, and Looping as well as Visuals. MEME's performance begins at 9pm, so don't be late! This will be one of the final shows at Chicago's foremost Experimental/Electronic Music Venue - they are shutting down at the end of this month. :-( Don't Miss It! FYI - MEME rhymes with Theme. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 12:40:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10651; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:35:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:35:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.10602677.27a06b9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:32:10 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e.10602677.27a06b9a_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e.10602677.27a06b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey denis........=A0 " Now when you restart the loop by tapping on PLAY, does the RECORD LED blink immediately?=A0 Or do= es it blink at the beginning of the first repeat?" the lite only comes on to alert you of the first repete......it doesnt come=20 on when you hit play " Say that you do the same operations but you restart the loop by tapping on ONCE.=A0 Does the RECORD LED blink immediately?" no, it only comes on to alert you of the first and subsequent repetes "If you press ONCE again (before the loop ends) does a new playback immediately start?=A0 Or do you get the "stuttering" effect only wh= en you start a stopped loop via the ONCE button?" yes the new playback starts and you can get the "stuttering" at any time and= =20 with the update you can go directly to play with out stopping the loop (as i= n=20 the older version).....hope this answers you questions.....michael --part1_1e.10602677.27a06b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey denis........=A0
" Now when you restart
the loop by tapping on PLAY, does the RECORD LED blink immediately?=A0 O= r does
it blink at the beginning of the first repeat?"

the lite only comes on to alert you of the first repete......it doesnt c= ome=20
on when you hit play

" Say that you do the same operations but you restart the loop by tappin= g
on ONCE.=A0 Does the RECORD LED blink immediately?"

no, it only comes on to alert you of the first and subsequent repetes

"If you press ONCE again (before the loop ends) does a new
playback immediately start?=A0 Or do you get the "stuttering" effect onl= y when
you start a stopped loop via the ONCE button?"

yes the new playback starts and you can get the "stuttering" at any time= and=20
with the update you can go directly to play with out stopping the loop (= as in=20
the older version).....hope this answers you questions.....michael

--part1_1e.10602677.27a06b9a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 13:34:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12239; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:31:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:31:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:34:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Resent-Message-ID: <9UGCGB.A.c-C.U8xb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Like all loopers, it has at least one feature that only it does, and at >> least one thing that you can't understand why it won't. > >This is my new quote of the month! Nice one, Travis! Actually, I preffered this one: >My advice, as always: neglect your other responsibilities in life and buy >all the toys. You always find a use for them. Ahh, the truth and nothing but... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13996; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <064901c08546$0092cec0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <064901c08546$0092cec0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: looper interfaces (was: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74) Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: looper interfaces (was: new "radiaL" from Cycling
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Pask" <andrew@kaleidacousticon.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74
> I was talking with the programmers down there
> about what constituted the "ultimate looping app" and the idea for them is that
> there isn't one. The ultimate looping app doesn't exist because  the specifics
> of the music are the things which ultimately determine the configuration of the
> app, and these are changing all the time as the music evolves. So their idea is
> that the ultimate looping app (ULA) is one which is "customizable" to a large
> degree without giving away too much of the "still works while groping around for
> it in the dark on the bandstand" factor.
 


David:
Precisely.  I have a set of tools for constructing loopers for the Kyma.  They're not complete but pretty close.  As a test, I'm trying to replicate the behavior of hardware loopers.  The replicated loopers aren't intended to replace the original boxes (it would be pretty stupid to replace a $200 box with a Kyma system!) but to enable the study of different user interfaces for loopers.  I believe the interface as important as the functionality.  After all, at some level the difference between a guitar and a violin is the user interface!
 

right. And you can tune those intruments just as you like, so they are customizable. Its just that not very many use such freedom...

But to study user interfaces with Kyma (or MAX?) is a dream... keep us informed!

--


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13978; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200101220447.XAA32085@portal.studiodust.com> References: <200101220447.XAA32085@portal.studiodust.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump (Cakewalk users, please!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My midi dumps used to take a very very long time. >I would start a dump, go out for a pack of cigarettes, >have some coffee, take a nap, and hopefully the stream >of data did not cause a log jam in my midi interface >before the dump completed. :-( >I recall something about midi handshaking that was causing >things to take so long. I also recall that some option >had been added in Loop V5 to disable the hand shaking >but it still may be required depending on your midi setup, >the midi software and such things. Yes: the EDP sends a package of sound data and then waits for a confirmation or error message of the receiver and if it does not get any, after a while it goes on anyway, but ends up becoming much slower. So the return MIDI cable should speed up the process (or stop it, if there is some transmission error). If not, the sequencer does not send the confirmation for some reason.... In your case, Elby, its seems it does not send the confirmation because it does not receive anything at all. Did you try by pressing Dump at the EDP? Can you watch the data being transfered (MIDI monitor appl) ? Eric tested the soft with various Mac applications and stand allone samplers but there was no PC (was not quite so common for sound then...). Could it be that you are the first one to try that? Could anyone out there that uses Cakewalk please confirm that problem? Is there any material about the Cakewalk dump protocol, so we can compare it with the others? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13980; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Akai E1 Headrush Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The almost-unique feature of the Headrush is the ability to define a >"foundation" loop, overdub ad infinitum and then erase all the overdubs, >leaving only the foundation loop. You can do this with an EDP, to an >extent, depending on how much memory you've got loaded, but at some point >you'll always exceed that, and then you lose the last layer of undo. Set up for two loops, record the foundation loop and then SoundCopy or NextMultiply and build. Instead of total Undo, you just switch back to loop one where you still have the foundation loop. This is superior to the Headrush Undo because the foundation loop can have overdubs or whatever... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:27:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13994; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Totally computerized real time equipment? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there are more and more applications available and the discussion is up here, I would like to ask people that work real time on computer: How far are we from implementing the whole equipment in a PowerBook? (I dont think I would have a big problem to use it on stage since I neither play in beer ambiences nor at Carnegie Hall ;-). I imagine use the guitar, some personal analog effects and a MIDI pedal board like pc1600 to feed the PowerBook where the digital effects (pitch shift, modulations...), looping, and final reverb would happen so I could connect the power amp directly to the PowerBook output. Hopefully the computer could also record the result and maybe add some drums... So to keep the delay low, it takes an audio card which then does not fit into the PowerBook? Can we connect a sequence of effects internally internally in real time, even if they have different formats like: plug in effects ->MAX looper -> HD recorder? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:31:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14864; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c0863b$bc2f9000$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <200101220447.XAA32085@portal.studiodust.com> Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump (Cakewalk users, please!) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:27:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a good midi monitoring program called MidiOx- it may help you- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump (Cakewalk users, please!) > >My midi dumps used to take a very very long time. > >I would start a dump, go out for a pack of cigarettes, > >have some coffee, take a nap, and hopefully the stream > >of data did not cause a log jam in my midi interface > >before the dump completed. > > :-( > > >I recall something about midi handshaking that was causing > >things to take so long. I also recall that some option > >had been added in Loop V5 to disable the hand shaking > >but it still may be required depending on your midi setup, > >the midi software and such things. > > Yes: the EDP sends a package of sound data and then waits for a > confirmation or error message of the receiver and if it does not get > any, after a while it goes on anyway, but ends up becoming much > slower. > So the return MIDI cable should speed up the process (or stop it, if > there is some transmission error). If not, the sequencer does not > send the confirmation for some reason.... > > In your case, Elby, its seems it does not send the confirmation > because it does not receive anything at all. > Did you try by pressing Dump at the EDP? > Can you watch the data being transfered (MIDI monitor appl) ? > Eric tested the soft with various Mac applications and stand allone > samplers but there was no PC (was not quite so common for sound > then...). > Could it be that you are the first one to try that? > Could anyone out there that uses Cakewalk please confirm that problem? > Is there any material about the Cakewalk dump protocol, so we can > compare it with the others? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:32:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14867; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010124142722.00a3b020@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:29:21 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: NYC- a:c show has been moved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <94Z0k.A.ilD.Pyyb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i there everybody


tonight's anit:clockwise show HAS BEEN MOVED to the PINK PONY which is
on ludlow street, south of houston.

IMPORTANT CHANGE! earlier start time.
the show begins at 10.

thanks to everyone who assisted in the last minute finagling, and to the rest of you for bearing w/ this.

looplist-ees take note, those who make it to the show & can execute the "looper's delight secret  handshake" get a bite of my cupcake.

rgrds

robert

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 14:50:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15698; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:48:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3183C237E5DCD211903900A0C9EA317AE48740@dasmtrhsz001.amedd.army.mil> From: "Mazzotti, Jack E SPC USARIEM" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Warr guitar fs Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:43:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <82ddtB.A.G0D.HDzb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I need to sell my 10 str Warr guitar. It's a mono instrument made out of maple, wenge, and swamp ash. It is in mint condition with a reunion blues gig bag. I play too many instruments as it is and I need cash to start my own daw studio. I want 2000.00. My name is Jack this is my # and address 617-413-6350 jack.mazzotti@na.amedd.army.mil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 15:10:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16672; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:02:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2001 20:02:09.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[88E06490:01C08640] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping Pedal?

 Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.?

I saw a few posts about the specs(which look very nice!), but nothing else?

Looks like a very cool pedal, and I've never been disappointed with a BOSS pedal.

Thanks for any info ya'll may have.

Pete.


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 15:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17071; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:20:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:20:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD97@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:14:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08642.3047A8A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08642.3047A8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i went by the roland "booth" (mini city . . .) and they didn't seem to have any available for use. they had a bunch of the pedals on the wall, but i'm not sure if there were any guts in 'em. one thing i did find out was that the reverse was available via an external footswitch - - dunno if it's latch or not. stig So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping Pedal? Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.? I saw a few posts about the specs(which look very nice!), but nothing else? Looks like a very cool pedal, and I've never been disappointed with a BOSS pedal. Thanks for any info ya'll may have. Pete. _____ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08642.3047A8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
i went by the roland "booth" (mini city . . .) and they didn't seem to have any available for use. they had a bunch of the pedals on the wall, but i'm not sure if there were any guts in 'em.
 
one thing i did find out was that the reverse was available via an external footswitch - - dunno if it's latch or not.
 
stig

So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping Pedal?

 Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.?

I saw a few posts about the specs(which look very nice!), but nothing else?

Looks like a very cool pedal, and I've never been disappointed with a BOSS pedal.

Thanks for any info ya'll may have.

Pete.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C08642.3047A8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 15:33:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17445; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:31:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:31:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9.1014545e.27a094b3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:27:31 EST Subject: Boss RC-20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.1014545e.27a094b3_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: <6S7OP.A._NE.przb6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9.1014545e.27a094b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en this was from harmony-central: snip-snip-snip "Finally, the RC-20 Loop Station is the answer to many live performers=E2= =80=99=20 dreams=E2=80=94a compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that=E2=80=99s=20= actually easy to=20 use. A long sampling time of up to 5 min. 30 seconds makes it possible to=20 record an entire song, while an Overdub function allows for the creation of=20 "sound-on-sound" loops in real time. Thanks to helpful Guide Click and Loop=20 Quantize functions, its easier than ever to create perfect loops. And once a= =20 loop has been created, either by stepping on the pedal or using Auto Start,=20= a=20 Realtime Tempo Change feature permits changing its tempo without changing it= s=20 pitch=E2=80=94simply by tapping the pedal in time with the music.=20 In all, the RC-20 can store up to 10 looped phrases and one "one-shot"=20 phrase, even after power-off. Hands-free control and Mic and Auxiliary input= s=20 make the RC-20 an essential effect pedal for guitarists, bassists and other=20 musicians looking to create and play back loops "on the fly."=20 For more information, visit their web site at www.rolandus.com. =20 =20 looks interesting.....michael =20 --part1_9.1014545e.27a094b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en this was from harmony-cen= tral:

snip-snip-snip
"Finally, the RC-20 Loop Station is the answer to many live performers= =E2=80=99=20
dreams=E2=80=94a compact phrase recording and sampling pedal that=E2=80= =99s actually easy to=20
use. A long sampling time of up to 5 min. 30 seconds makes it possible t= o=20
record an entire song, while an Overdub function allows for the creation= of=20
"sound-on-sound" loops in real time. Thanks to helpful Guide Click and L= oop=20
Quantize functions, its easier than ever to create perfect loops. And on= ce a=20
loop has been created, either by stepping on the pedal or using Auto Sta= rt, a=20
Realtime Tempo Change feature permits changing its tempo without changin= g its=20
pitch=E2=80=94simply by tapping the pedal in time with the music.=20
In all, the RC-20 can store up to 10 looped phrases and one "one-shot"=20
phrase, even after power-off. Hands-free control and Mic and Auxiliary i= nputs=20
make the RC-20 an essential effect pedal for guitarists, bassists and ot= her=20
musicians looking to create and play back loops "on the fly."=20
For more information, visit their web site at www.rolandus.com.
=20
=20
looks interesting.....michael =20
--part1_9.1014545e.27a094b3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 15:53:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18092; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:51:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:51:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:49:02 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Pete Mundt wrote: > > So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping Pedal? > > Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.? April, I'm told, and list expected around $399. regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 15:55:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18021; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:48:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:48:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Repeater Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:44:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm back from NAMM and catching up the mail. whew....that was intense. Any date or information that I have given to the group was our best guess given the situation at the time. These estimates were optimistic and turned out to be wrong but that's the nature of an estimate. One of the reasons for our optimism is that Repeaters software is loaded from the front panel through the CFC allowing us to have completed the physical units before the completed software. Normally production would have to wait until the software was finished and then the product could be fully manufactured. In Repeater's case the units can be fully built before completing software saving us months in getting the product out the door. We sat down with the development team before the NAMM show to get a better handle on the state of Repeater and at that point we realized we would miss the projected ship date again. Unfortunately there is a "bad news" delay with the group because we want to inform our reps and distributors first so they don't get this kind of information second hand. Unfortunately in this case that caused you to get second hand bad news. So you ask...where is Repeater? Well, we see the light at the end of the tunnel and it is just around the corner. The balance of our first production run will be completed in a few more weeks and short of any certification issues with our power supply (no it wasn't b*llS**t) the hardware is complete. Our software is cooking with the core functionality complete and most of the work in refining. Most of the reports on the list were accurate in describing the state of the software we were using at the show. This was an earlier version so it is more advanced than described but essentially it's a good representation of where we are. The bottom line is I am reluctant to estimate a date again until we are MUCH more sure of ourselves (probable the day the first unit leaves our shipping bay). Until then it is going to ship when it is ready and it will be ready soon. On a lighter note I enjoyed meeting some of the guys on the list. Kim (our gracious host), Mark & Amanda (congrats on the marriage), Andre, Rich, Robert and there were a few other loopers whom I didn't talk to. It was a good feeling to put a smile on your face when demoing Repeater...Anyway, it's time for my feet to heal.... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 18:26:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22603; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <20.111eff86.27a0bb0e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:11:10 EST Subject: Re: Some of It's Parts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA22455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/22/01 6:14:54 AM Central Standard Time, robert_eberwein@hotmail.com writes: << That's why I like looping: You can't fool people who have had a hand in creation. They know the difference between noise and - - - uh, Something Musical. They know that banging someone with a pipe doesn’t become music until you add good intention. >> What constitutes "good" intention? - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 18:33:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23079; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:28:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:28:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010124233335.1725.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:33:35 -0800 (PST) From: robert deveaux Subject: Help! EDP 5.0 copy goes into multiply mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got the 5.0 software for my Echoplex Digital Pro. I really got it for the Copy feature & to get rid of "pops & clicks". Otherwise my version 3.1 worked great. My question: I record a rhythm type loop in #1 loop & then when I press "NEXT LOOP" on the footpedal...it goes to the next loop & copies, but it also goes into the MULTIPLY MODE. I can press the multiply button to stop the multiply feature. Can somebody please help? Thanks, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 20:40:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26660; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:37:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:37:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:43:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: looper interfaces (was: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, I sent this styled, so here its plain again: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Pask" ><andrew@kaleidacousticon.com> >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:19 PM >Subject: Re: new "radiaL" from Cycling '74 > > I was talking with the programmers down there >> about what constituted the "ultimate looping app" and the idea for >>them is that >> there isn't one. The ultimate looping app doesn't exist because >>the specifics >> of the music are the things which ultimately determine the >>configuration of the >> app, and these are changing all the time as the music evolves. So >>their idea is >> that the ultimate looping app (ULA) is one which is "customizable" >>to a large >> degree without giving away too much of the "still works while >>groping around for >> it in the dark on the bandstand" factor. > David: >Precisely. I have a set of tools for constructing loopers for the >Kyma. They're not complete but pretty close. As a test, I'm trying >to replicate the behavior of hardware loopers. The replicated >loopers aren't intended to replace the original boxes (it would be >pretty stupid to replace a $200 box with a Kyma system!) but to >enable the study of different user interfaces for loopers. I >believe the interface as important as the functionality. After all, >at some level the difference between a guitar and a violin is the >user interface! > right. And you can tune those intruments just as you like, so they are customizable. Its just that not very many use such freedom... But to study user interfaces with Kyma (or MAX?) is a dream... keep us informed! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 22:01:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29497; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:59:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:59:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A6F967A.49893F2D@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:59:07 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #52 References: <200101250140.UAA26750@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, I've tried two things. The first is to monitor the dump from Midi-OX (with midi cables connected both ways). I can see the sysex packets coming in. I don't believe there's any return messages from Midi-OX. This was the setup that took 3 mins for a 2 sec loop to dump. The other thing I've tried is from Cakewalk. Cakewalk has an "initiate dump on device" mode. This is for when you don't know the request string. Cakewalk waits until the device starts sending and grabs the sysex packets as they come in. I suspect there's nothing sent back to the sender, but I'm not really sure. Cakewalk shows a running byte count. The count was zero even with the dump running on the EDP. This works fine with an AN1X. There's one other thing I'd like to try. Cakewalk will send a request string. This requires adding the device-specific request string to a special file. If you can let me know the sysex string to request a dump from the EDP I'll give that a try. Thanks, Elby > Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump (Cakewalk users, please!) > > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:24:46 -0300 > From: Matthias Grob > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >My midi dumps used to take a very very long time. > >I would start a dump, go out for a pack of cigarettes, > >have some coffee, take a nap, and hopefully the stream > >of data did not cause a log jam in my midi interface > >before the dump completed. > > :-( > > >I recall something about midi handshaking that was causing > >things to take so long. I also recall that some option > >had been added in Loop V5 to disable the hand shaking > >but it still may be required depending on your midi setup, > >the midi software and such things. > > Yes: the EDP sends a package of sound data and then waits for a > confirmation or error message of the receiver and if it does not get > any, after a while it goes on anyway, but ends up becoming much > slower. > So the return MIDI cable should speed up the process (or stop it, if > there is some transmission error). If not, the sequencer does not > send the confirmation for some reason.... > > In your case, Elby, its seems it does not send the confirmation > because it does not receive anything at all. > Did you try by pressing Dump at the EDP? > Can you watch the data being transfered (MIDI monitor appl) ? > Eric tested the soft with various Mac applications and stand allone > samplers but there was no PC (was not quite so common for sound > then...). > Could it be that you are the first one to try that? > Could anyone out there that uses Cakewalk please confirm that problem? > Is there any material about the Cakewalk dump protocol, so we can > compare it with the others? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ----------------------------------------------------- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 22:47:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30525; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:44:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <66.b844864.27a0fa96@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:42:14 EST Subject: Re: NYC- a:c show has been moved To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have a good show!! James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 24 23:29:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32044; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F47FB@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Denis Taaffe loop import CD released Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey just wanted to let you know That my CD "modern rock guitar.volII 'alien guitar'" has just been released. It's all live, one takes, 13 tracks of regular guitar and guitar loops done on the fly. These are the short run version of the CD from a distributor in canada so there's only a few copies of this one that are going to be released because these are the one's under my own label, but an american distributor picked it up and will rerelease it with 2o less minutes, different mastering and are redoing the insert. Anyway these short runs are 72 minutes or so. Right now, the only place that has them is : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000059GEB/o/qid=980395859/sr=8-2/ref =aps_sr_pm_1_2/102-6884459-5200902 at amazon.com $12.00 I believe or do a search at amazon.com for the name Denis Taaffe samples at http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe or at my website at http://www.dtguitar.com thanks denis Taaffe aliengtr@hotmail.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 05:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07103; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c086b8$905a10e0$1642e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:21:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C086C0.F1FCE720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C086C0.F1FCE720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it seems it's going to be just a little more expensive than the = DL4, with a lot more possibilities (which doesn't mean I'm giving up on = my DL4, which I love). =20 I'm only curious where this 5 min memory is going to come from : is it = internal, or will it be thru expensive memory cards, like the SP 202? I contacted Roland yesterday, but there was noone there who could tell = me more, I'll try again tomorrow. Jan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pete Mundt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping Pedal? Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.? I saw a few posts about the specs(which look very nice!), but nothing = else? Looks like a very cool pedal, and I've never been disappointed with a = BOSS pedal. Thanks for any info ya'll may have. Pete. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C086C0.F1FCE720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, it seems it's going to be just a = little more=20 expensive than the DL4, with a lot more possibilities (which doesn't = mean I'm=20 giving up on my DL4, which I love). 
I'm only curious where this 5 min = memory is going=20 to come from : is it internal, or will it be thru expensive memory = cards, like=20 the SP 202?
I contacted Roland yesterday, but there = was noone=20 there who could tell me more, I'll try again tomorrow.
 
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Pete Mundt=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, = 2001 9:02=20 PM
Subject: Any More Info on New = BOSS=20 Looping pedal

So, does anyone have any more info on that new BOSS Looping = Pedal?

 Price? When its gonna be available? Etc.?

I saw a few posts about the specs(which look very nice!), but = nothing=20 else?

Looks like a very cool pedal, and I've never been disappointed with = a BOSS=20 pedal.

Thanks for any info ya'll may have.

Pete.


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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C086C0.F1FCE720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 12:11:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15167; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c086ef$489c9160$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <002701c086b8$905a10e0$1642e0d5@pandora.be> Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:53:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C086F7.AA0D0D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C086F7.AA0D0D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got an email from Roland, and they tell me that the memory is = intern, so no additional costs for memory cards....I got the price in = belgian francs, in $ I guess it would be a little 400*$. They will be available in May. I'm getting one for sure. OK , I'd like a Repeater too, but it costs = three times at much. =20 I love Boss, first the GT3, now this,... =20 Jan ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C086F7.AA0D0D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got an email from Roland, and = they tell me=20 that the memory is intern, so no additional costs for memory cards....I = got the=20 price in belgian francs, in $ I guess it would be a little = 400*$.
They will be available in = May.
I'm getting one for sure.  OK , = I'd like a=20 Repeater too, but it costs three times at much. 
I love Boss, first the GT3, now = this,... =20
 
Jan
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C086F7.AA0D0D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 12:22:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15756; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:15:18 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/25/2001 11:15:18 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If they would only include MIDI synch. Sheesh, is it that hard? Expensive? On a related note--other than buying an EDP--are there performing loopers who have mastered some trick of synching a non-MIDI looper to other time-specific gear? Other than printing the drum loop to the looper, which I hate to do, are there other creative options? And now, would any programming professional care to tackle Matthias' post, "Totally computerized real time equipment?" L Also, I need a band name. Quickly. If you've had one stashed away and wouldn't mind sharing, I'd appreciate it. We're stumped. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 12:33:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16045; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:27:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:27:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:27:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <__Ru4C.A.a6D.lGGc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Also, I need a band name. Quickly. If you've had one stashed away and > wouldn't mind sharing, I'd appreciate it. We're stumped. http://www.tonylevin.com/bandname.htm -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 12:44:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16893; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:42:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:42:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the specs I've read, it seems pretty easy to sync to other equipment or even real people:) The tap for instance seems usefull.. I've only had experience with the DL4, so I might be a bit naive here. If I am, please enlighten me. Jan http://www.geocities.com/forimul/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal > > If they would only include MIDI synch. Sheesh, is it that hard? > Expensive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:00:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17548; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:58:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:58:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD9E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: forwarded review of bass loop fest in santa cruz Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:55:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C086F8.0B511B10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C086F8.0B511B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" howdy y'all. found this review of the santa cruz bass loop fest on a bass list i'm on. Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0800 Subject: Santa Cruz Bass looping show review Greetings all, I had the great pleasure of getting to hear TBL's own Steve Lawson headline an all bass live looping show in Santa Cruz Tues night. Four bassists and percussionist extraordinaire Rick Walker on "prepared" bass put on a rather unusual musical evening showing some of the potential of live looping on our favorite instrument. Trey Donovan opened up with some interesting combinations of bass and stick followed by a very creative fellow from Tahacipi (sp?), CA whom I didn't capture his name (Rex * ? my apologies!) who came out with a very musical and spirited spontaneous piece followed by several equally musical tunes on different basses. Scott Kungha Drengsen from Oakland came out next and was having problems with his rack plus an excessively high noise floor so limited himself to singular use of 2 different basses and played a piece dedicated to Jaco followed by some extensive sci-fi tonal compositions containing verbal poems. Considering his technical difficulties Scott managed to deliver a very moving performance. Scott's ending loop segued into Steve's opening notes moving into some pieces from his CD and some spontaneous compositions. Steve's showmanship, playing and technical abilities shined and he brought an element to the looping that was unique to the evening in that he would manipulate or replace some of his loops during a piece which allowed him to play longer and more interesting compositions. Rick Walker interjected the prepared bass at different parts of the evening and co-looped on Steve's bass as part of the later segment and added some well placed rhythmic and tonal elements. I picked up Steve's CD after the show and found it very enjoyable and well worth a listen. My only critiques of the evening would be that most (not all) of the tunes focused on the more somber side of our instrument making for an evening that could have used a few more "up" moments. Also, many of the compositions were short and ended rather abruptly due to, I believe, the technical challenges most of the performers had controlling the loops and their racks. Overall, creativity and expression won out for the evening and I'd go to such a show again. It was obvious from Steve's performance that he has spent a good bit of effort into musically exploring and expanding this art form. Check it out with open minds if you can. Cheers, Toby Gray www.DavidLaFlamme.com www.TheRoadBand.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C086F8.0B511B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" forwarded review of bass loop fest in santa cruz

howdy y'all.

found this review of the santa cruz bass loop fest on a bass list i'm on.


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0800
Subject: Santa Cruz Bass looping show review

Greetings all,

I had the great pleasure of getting to hear TBL's own Steve Lawson headline
an all bass live looping show in Santa Cruz Tues night.  Four bassists and
percussionist extraordinaire Rick Walker on "prepared" bass put on a rather
unusual musical evening showing some of the potential of live looping on our
favorite instrument.
Trey Donovan opened up with some interesting combinations of bass and stick
followed by a very creative fellow from Tahacipi (sp?), CA whom  I didn't
capture his name (Rex * ? my apologies!) who came out with a very musical
and spirited spontaneous piece followed by several equally musical tunes on
different basses.  Scott Kungha Drengsen from Oakland came out next and was
having problems with his rack plus an excessively high noise floor so
limited himself to singular use of 2 different basses and played a piece
dedicated to Jaco followed by some extensive sci-fi tonal compositions
containing verbal poems. Considering his technical difficulties Scott
managed to deliver a very moving performance. Scott's ending loop segued
into Steve's opening notes moving into some pieces from his CD and some
spontaneous compositions.  Steve's showmanship, playing and technical
abilities shined and he brought an element to the looping that was unique to
the evening in that he would manipulate or replace some of his loops during
a piece which allowed him to play longer and more interesting compositions.
Rick Walker interjected the prepared bass at different parts of the evening
and co-looped on Steve's bass as part of the later segment and added some
well placed rhythmic and tonal elements.  I picked up Steve's CD after the
show and found it very enjoyable and well worth a listen.
My only critiques of the evening would be that most (not all) of the tunes
focused on the more somber side of our instrument making for an evening that
could have used a few more "up" moments. Also, many of the compositions were
short and ended rather abruptly due to, I believe, the technical challenges
most of the performers had controlling the loops and their racks.
Overall, creativity and expression won out for the evening and I'd go to
such a show again. It was obvious from Steve's performance that he has spent
a good bit of effort into musically exploring and expanding this art form.
Check it out with open minds if you can.

Cheers,
Toby Gray
www.DavidLaFlamme.com
www.TheRoadBand.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C086F8.0B511B10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18099; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:01:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:01:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:57:03 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/25/2001 11:57:03 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Real people? No problem. They can adjust. Sequenced rhythm tracks? Uh, maybe I'm an invalid, but my tap-tempo skills will produce a noticeable flam eight bars down the line. In instances when you're not doing the de rigueur ambient texture stuff, timing presents a problem. L "Sound Mind" ndora.be> cc: Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping 01/25/01 pedal 11:27 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht >From the specs I've read, it seems pretty easy to sync to other equipment or even real people:) The tap for instance seems usefull.. I've only had experience with the DL4, so I might be a bit naive here. If I am, please enlighten me. Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18228; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002701c086b8$905a10e0$1642e0d5@pandora.be> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:00:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:21 AM -0800 1/25/01, Sound Mind wrote: > Well, it seems it's going to be just a little more expensive than the >DL4, with a lot more possibilities (which doesn't mean I'm giving up on >my DL4, which I love). I'm only curious where this 5 min memory is going >to come from : is it internal, or will it be thru expensive memory cards, >like the SP 202? I contacted Roland yesterday, but there was noone there >who could tell me more, I'll try again tomorrow. Jan in what way did you think it had more possibilities than the dl4? To me the boss unit seemed to have much less loop capability than the line6. From the demo I saw, the user interface seemed kind of clunky and hard to use, and the functions are pretty limited. $400 seems very high. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:26:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19615; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A706CB1.6E98EB84@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:13:06 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal References: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Synch is very important when you're playing with an electronic device (drum machine, sequencer) that can't automatically modulate tempo. Tap tempo just doesn't cut it. It may seem to work at first, but the smallest difference will compound over time in a looping situation and become very noticeable. DJ's can deal with this drift by speeding up or slowing down the record or cd. Live musician's can do this by adjusting their own tempo. There is a computer/hardware device (Help? I can't remember the name...Conductor maybe?) that can adjust sequenced backing tracks by listing to a soloist and making tempo changes. I played with it a few times when I worked in a music store, and it seemed to work pretty well. Until technology gets to a point where computers can make changes to tempo based on a live performance, we're still stuck with using a midi clock to get loopers to synch with other electronic music devices. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20123; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125101605.022a4510@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:21:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal In-Reply-To: <000d01c086ef$489c9160$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> References: <002701c086b8$905a10e0$1642e0d5@pandora.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sound Mind (08:53 AM 01/25/01) wrote: >I just got an email from Roland, and they tell me that the memory is >intern, so no additional costs for memory cards....I got the price in >belgian francs, in $ I guess it would be a little 400*$. >They will be available in May. >I'm getting one for sure. OK , I'd like a Repeater too, but it costs >three times at much. >I love Boss, first the GT3, now this,... See if you can get your hands (feet) on one first... During the demo at NAMM, people were noting that the guitar player could *not* do the demo standing up. There are quite a few functions that you can't do from the pedals. Reverse is one, selecting a loop/phrase is another... This is a link to the Roland product page: http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20290; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010124233335.1725.qmail@web3505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:27:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Help! EDP 5.0 copy goes into multiply mode Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:33 PM -0800 1/24/01, robert deveaux wrote: >I just got the 5.0 software for my Echoplex Digital >Pro. I really got it for the Copy feature & to get >rid of "pops & clicks". Otherwise my version 3.1 >worked great. > >My question: I record a rhythm type loop in #1 loop & >then when I press "NEXT LOOP" on the footpedal...it >goes to the next loop & copies, but it also goes into >the MULTIPLY MODE. I can press the multiply button to >stop the multiply feature. Can somebody please help? >Thanks, Robert- this is exactly how loop copy works. It effectively multiplies your loop into the new loop where you are copying it. This is really useful and efficient to use, because in real time you can add new material onto the loop and let it multiply out to longer lengths while it is copying. You don't have to wait for the loop copy to finish and then do these things. To end loop copy you press Multiply, which should hopefully confirm in your mind that what you are really doing is just the multiply function. When you realize this it should be very intuitive to use, because loop copy builds upon multiply which you probably already know how to use. (time copy is similar, except it is based on Insert.) this is actually explained in the manual, as well as on the web site. I think it is in the info about the LoopIIIv5.0 software as well. Even in your old software you had this function, but it was then only possible when using the quantized loop switching. If you look under the "SwitchQuant" section of the manual, you will see the explanation for how to do loop copies in that mode. It is the same as using the loopcopy parameter with the newer software. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:50:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21345; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:41:54 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA21243 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I put my EDP in sampler mode (Mute then hit insert for a one-shot trigger) on long loops, then tap on the downbeat. It's amazing how well you can make things sync up. Then you can do things like re-trigger only the beginning of the loop for awhile, then let the entire loop play to add variation. It's SO simple, yet really makes things sound dynamic. The fact that it automatically stops allows you to improvise yet other events in any gaps you leave open. It's really easy and fun... I believe you can do this sort of thing on the Boomerang and well as the DL4... The Boss looks like it does that as well as allows you to RE-TAP to CHANGE the loop time... so I'd say you should be able to recover from poorly tapped tempo problems as well as be creative about how you overlay your loops. Can't wait to see this puppy as well as the AMP STATION. I've gotta say... Boss DOES seem to have some very FRIENDLY gear. I LOVE my GT-5. -Miko >>> soundmind@pandora.be 01/25/01 09:40AM >>> >From the specs I've read, it seems pretty easy to sync to other equipment or even real people:) The tap for instance seems usefull.. I've only had experience with the DL4, so I might be a bit naive here. If I am, please enlighten me. Jan http://www.geocities.com/forimul/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal > > If they would only include MIDI synch. Sheesh, is it that hard? > Expensive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 13:52:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21373; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010125184522.69186.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1IPVdB.A.PNF.BRHc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Pulver wrote: > > During the demo at NAMM, people were noting that the guitar player > could > *not* do the demo standing up. There are quite a few functions that > you > can't do from the pedals. Reverse is one, selecting a loop/phrase is > another... > > This is a link to the Roland product page: > > http://209.144.99.11/PRODUCTS/MI/mi_namm_w01/rc20_b.htm > > > Mark Looking at the picture of the Roland looper I suspected that hands were required for many functions. This serverly limits it's usefulness to those of us who play the music with our hands, and manipulate loops with our feet. bret www.mp3.com/brothersync __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 14:36:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22992; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:32:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:20:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6lAcYB.A.9lF.W5Hc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In instances when you're not doing the de rigueur ambient texture stuff, timing presents a problem. hey!! I resemble that remark!! actually, i'm excited about finishing my cd and getting some remarks from you guys...there are loops all over the damn place, but i feel like i cheated a bit. I just hacked into the audio tracks and started cutting an pasting on my Fostex hard drive recorder. Not a terrible amount of real-time loopage...some...just not alot. acid without a CRT, i guess, but i'm enjoying the results of my labor. the timing on my machine consists mostly of midi clock going to the drum machine and striping a drum pattern onto one track, so i have an audible pattern to scrub over and find locater points while assembling the song. I use these locater points to cut up the other loops and assemble them on other tracks. I then assemble the actual drum track on the sequencer and it will drive the drum machine at mixdown, (sequencer slaved to recorder) and the original audio drum/timing track is then either deleted or effected and used in various parts of the composition. If i want to do real time looping added onto another track, the drum machine can be slaved to the recorder, and then the drum machine midi out can go to the jamman for timing info. kindof a low brow technique, i guess, but it seems to work pretty good and i've had few timing issues come up. i just noticed that if i am assebling loops to the original drum/timing track, often i will copy a loop, and then set new end locater points so that that two-loop section is now 'one' loop and then i'll duplicate that, then do the same exercise to make that four-loop section 'one' loop. basically slowly building up the chunks so any minor timing discrepancies were minimized as i keep expanding the track. does that make sense? does adding midi sych add a whole new layer of complexity/price to a looper (engineering wise)? We are getting a load of cool new toys on the market right now, but few of them synch to midi....whassup with that? best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 15:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24054; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:56:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A70837D.3AC3D650@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:50:22 -0500 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loop sync issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used the Redsound Microsync to relate MIDI clock sync'd devices to live sound with some success. http://www.redsound.com/products/msync/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 15:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25184; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c0870c$4362f550$7944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 - triggered gates Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <4AUJ3B.A.DIG.DtIc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been around for a while, but haven't seen a discussion on triggered gating applications in this context. Either something you can do to loops, or interesting source material for further looping. Good for bringing in a rhythmic element to dense textured loops, as well as de-densifying them somewhat. Basic permutation: Use a triggered gate and feed the wet output of one delay line (or loop, or drum machine, etc) into the trigger input, and the output of your looper to the gated input. The triggering input signal ought to have distinct peaks (no dense drones), or it won't be a good trigger. I've found that damped strings and pick noise work well enough (and is MUCHO fun), as well as the obivous drum machines/loops, rope-on-a-stick (with piezo pickups), etc. Wackier permutations: Use TWO triggered gates and trigger sources as above. Variation One: use the same trigger signal to alternately open and close two separate gates with different source signals. Variation Two: Polyrhythms, use two entirely different triggers/gated signals. It gets out of hand from there .... My first experiment with this was when I was working in a small project recording studio. We close-miked a trap set and then used aux sends to feed the different drums to delay units that fed triggered gates operating on a variety of other signals, guitars, keyboards, etc. Really messy, not very musical at times, but loads of laughs, I gotta tell ya. Best, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 15:59:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26057; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Upcoming MEME Gig in Chicago Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:55:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2001 20:55:09.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A86A780:01C08711] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MEME Midwest Electronic Music Ensemble Presents: Original Classic Electronic Music Saturday January 27th, 9:00pm Followed by performances by: Furrowed + Stacklo Nervous Center 4612 N. Lincoln Avenue Chicago, IL 773-728-5010 The gig will feature live performances on various Synths (analog and v/a), Samplers, Electric Violin, and Looping as well as Visuals. MEME's performance begins at 9pm, so don't be late! This will be one of the final shows at Chicago's foremost Experimental/Electronic Music Venue - they are shutting down at the end of this month.  :-( Don't Miss It! FYI - MEME rhymes with Theme. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 16:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26904; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:08:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:08:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:05:10 EST Subject: Re: forwarded review of bass loop fest in santa cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d3.f9ed7b3.27a1ef06_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: <5KiprB.A.SjG.9UJc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d3.f9ed7b3.27a1ef06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/01 1:00:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > found this review of the santa cruz bass loop fest on a bass list i'm on. > > hey rick and co.....this was a great review.....congrats!.....michael --part1_d3.f9ed7b3.27a1ef06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/01 1:00:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


found this review of the santa cruz bass loop fest on a bass list i'm on.



hey rick and co.....this was a great review.....congrats!.....michael --part1_d3.f9ed7b3.27a1ef06_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 16:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28268; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c08b06$65ca5f40$4c89e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101251835.NAA20686@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: syncing non-midi devices to midi gear Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:48:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing that I've been able to do with the Line 6 Modeler is record a one to four bar stretch of a song and then use the function that lets you trigger the sample only once (2nd button from the right of the pedal) and then manually trigger the 'loop'. You can even keep the loop in looping mode and occasionally retrigger with that button if the loop starts to drift. This however, necessitates that you hit the loop button (2nd from left) on the downbeat of the next measure because the retrigger button will only fire the sample once. Alternately, I send my 2 line 6 pedals into one of my 3 jammans and merely rerecord the loop. The fidelity of the Line 6 pedal is so vastly superior to the jamman (and discernably superior to the echoplex) that you will experience a degradation of the loop. Since I'm seriously into degradation this is an uplifting experience. No, seriously, in a recording studio this will not cut it , but I'm amazed at how it passes muster in a live situation. Also, my good friend Max Valentino (who just did a beautiful set at our world's first Solo Bass Looping Festival (more on the later when I have recovered from that wonderful experience) hipped me to the fact that Radio Shack carries certified (I think that's the word he used) power supplies that are noticeably quieter than the ones' the Lexicon supplies for the Jamman. He also says that by using only monster cable (or the equivalent) that he has noticed a significant reduction in noise from these beloved but antiquated beasts. I'm going to do it. The absolutely pristine sound coming out of both his and Steve Lawson's rig (who, by the way, is the most flawless live looper I have ever seen!!!!!! He has mastered the art of playing his first loop and IMMEDIATELY playing his second part as he hit the loop completion button-----I have my work cut out for me ;-) His sound was brilliant and he really had a command of preset verbs and effects that would kick into each loop that he added, causing a beautiful 3 dimensional quality to his playing) Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 17:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29757; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:30:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Santa Cruz SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA29677 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd just like to congratulate Rick for putting on these shows! I regret that I couldn't make it due to illness, but sincerely want to express my thanks that we have a venue and impressario in Rick Walker willing to deal with rain, NO-$$$, the technical demands of looping in general, and educating our local audiences about our musical art. Great review on The Bottom Line as well! Apologies to all for missing your show and the chance to meet you! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 18:05:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31117; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:03:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A706CB1.6E98EB84@zerocrossing.net> References: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:43:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pet Peeve: Devices with MIDI inputs and tap tempo that can't sync to MIDI clock. All the pieces are there. Well, almost since you may need a way to specify how many clock ticks per tap but that could be handled in a variety of ways. I've got too many devices that are subject to this limitation for it to be at all amusing. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 18:16:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31702; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:14:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:14:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A70AE1B.C8F26D98@jps.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:52:12 -0800 From: mike barlow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 'Plex for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9subN.A.nuH.0LLc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Due to some wild and wooly circumstances, I find myself with an extra OB Plex. Latest version, 198. With controller, in original boxes. $750+shipping. Please contact privately! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 18:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00387; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A70BA39.9886FB11@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:43:52 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some of It's Parts References: <20.111eff86.27a0bb0e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it would have to have a good beat, of course. Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/01 6:14:54 AM Central Standard Time, > robert_eberwein@hotmail.com writes: > > << That's why I like looping: You can't fool > people who have had a hand in creation. They know the difference between > noise and - - - uh, Something Musical. They know that banging someone with a > pipe doesn’t become music until you add good intention. >> > > What constitutes "good" intention? > > - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 19:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02067; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:44:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:44:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: OT: Help with Solid Body Construction! Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C08706.244DB5C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <83.5ed4d77.279f95a3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C08706.244DB5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I'm in the process of building a tapping instrument ( http://www.bme.com.au/bmeproducts.html ) in 34" scale on the SR headless model, set up akin to a Chapmen Stick or Warr Guitar (with the bass strings being in the centre of the instrument). As far as the woods go, I've been looking at a neck through construction of a laminate of Mahogany and Rosewood (Rosewood being on the odd stripe) with Korina body wings, with a fingerboard of Ebony. The main thing I'm looking for is in this is going to be a warm, full tone, along the lines of a Les Paul, with the bass side being a little more punchy (this is the part that is currently confusing me). I'm also hoping to keep the sustain of said Les Paul for those instances when it is strummed, vs. tapped. What I'm hoping is that the Korina body wings would even the mellowness of the neck and give more presence behind the low-end. Thanks again for any help or advice! Lee ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C08706.244DB5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

     I'm in the = process of=20 building a tapping instrument (  http://www.bme.com.au/bme= products.html )=20 in 34" scale on the SR headless model, set up akin to a Chapmen Stick or = Warr=20 Guitar (with the bass strings being in the centre of the instrument).=20

     As far as = the woods=20 go, I've been looking at a neck through construction of a laminate of = Mahogany=20 and Rosewood (Rosewood being on the odd stripe) with Korina body wings, = with a=20 fingerboard of Ebony. The main thing I'm looking for is in this is going = to be a=20 warm, full tone, along the lines of a Les Paul, with the bass side being = a=20 little more punchy (this is the part that is currently confusing me). = I'm also=20 hoping to keep the sustain of said Les Paul for those instances when it = is=20 strummed, vs. tapped.

     What I'm = hoping is=20 that the Korina body wings would even the mellowness of the neck and = give more=20 presence behind the low-end.

     Thanks again = for any=20 help or advice!

 

Lee

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C08706.244DB5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 19:55:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02447; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:52:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:52:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.f3884ff.27a22410@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:51:28 EST Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Loopin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 Resent-Message-ID: <-Z-EbD.A.tl.0oMc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, I sat in for the demo of the new Boss pedal twice and also talked with a few reps at Roland. I think the price will actually be closer to $350 list. This may be wrong... I was largely disappointed with the pedal as a serious looping device for the following reasons 1. Once the initial loop is laid, it locked in. This unit DOES NOT OPERATE LIKE A DELAY. You can overdub to your hearts content, but the old layers will never fade away or decay. 2. There is an annoying click track which sets up a tempo. It is defeatable, but it still annoyed me. (just a personal dislike) 3. It was nowhere as cool as a Jamman and not even close to a DL4 in terms of flexibility or practical use. Now on the plus side. 5 min. is an awsome time length for loop capacity. This unit would be perfect if only you could have old layers decay as you added new loops. This is only my opinion, but I find the DL4 the better buy for the price as it also has really killer delays which you can play with. I also agree that the interface was very clunky and very vanilla. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 20:23:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03853; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lee Barnes" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: OT: Sorry had to organize a little on the email... Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, Sorry about the clutter, was wanting to set this up under the new account for sometime... Ugh. Anywho, wanted to let you know that I'm still the same person, but under a different email address. All replies and information concerning my prior question about, "OT: Help with Solid Body Construction" are very welcome. We now take you back to your reguliarly schedualed programme... Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 20:24:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03842; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:16:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS Pedal Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:15:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 01:15:18.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[72204DB0:01C08735] Resent-Message-ID: <_DAHwB.A.y7.C_Mc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>1. Once the initial loop is laid, it locked in. This unit DOES NOT >>OPERATE >LIKE A DELAY. You can overdub to your hearts content, but the old layers >will never fade away or decay. I would think that a lot of loopers would find the fact that old layers do not decay would be a plus! I know there has been many a time I get somewhat irritated that you lose some clarity in the origonal layers. But alas, we all have different preferences and I thank God that we are getting more alternatives in gear to suit each of our individual needs! I'm waiting to hit the lotto so I can own a different looper for each and every occasion! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 20:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04722; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:27:57 EST Subject: while we're talkin equipment To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.6d671c4.27a22c9d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f4.6d671c4.27a22c9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has anyone had experiance with the ALESIS' airFX or the airSYNTH ($295.00), im curious, both look like neat boxes.....michael --part1_f4.6d671c4.27a22c9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has anyone had experiance with the ALESIS' airFX or the airSYNTH ($295.00),
im curious, both look like neat boxes.....michael --part1_f4.6d671c4.27a22c9d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 21:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06209; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: while we're talkin equipment Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:57:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 01:57:48.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[62503DE0:01C0873B] Resent-Message-ID: <5JUW8C.A.eaB.4mNc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A buddy of mine who works for Aardvark saw them at NAMM and said the synth is very, very cool. I guess the fact that you can move your hands through the air and effect sound soooo much really bends your head! Sounds to me more like a performance art type of thing, also the FX is pretty limited as to the parameters that can be effected by moving your hands around etc. Still though a very interesting direction for gear to be going, wouldnt you say? I could only find this link on alesis site. http://www.alesis.com/products/airfx/index.html Pete. >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: while we're talkin equipment >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:27:57 EST > >has anyone had experiance with the ALESIS' airFX or the airSYNTH ($295.00), >im curious, both look like neat boxes.....michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 21:24:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06923; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:22:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:22:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:21:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 02:21:17.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA1997E0:01C0873E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I dont trust the visual control, somehow, but nevertheless, Eberhard >Weber convinced me to include flashing LEDs in the upgrade, >controlled by 8th/Beat factor. > Is this the current upgrade (loop3.5) or some new update some day down the line? bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 21:29:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07259; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Chris Conley" Subject: EDP Loop upgrades? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, I'm just wondering if I have the most recent loop upgrade for my EDP. When I boot up it says ...."Loop 3" and then says, "5.0". Is there an upgrade from this available either hardware or software wise? Chris Conley conleycd@mcmaster.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 21:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07283; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:32:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>In instances when you're not doing the de >rigueur ambient texture stuff, timing presents a problem. > >hey!! I resemble that remark!! > >actually, i'm excited about finishing my cd and getting some remarks >from you guys...there are loops all over the damn place, but i feel >like i cheated a bit. I just hacked into the audio tracks and >started cutting an pasting on my Fostex hard drive recorder. Not a >terrible amount of real-time loopage...some...just not alot. acid >without a CRT, i guess, but i'm enjoying the results of my labor. > I'm sorry, Rich, you're not making REAL looping music. The loop-police will be by to revoke your looping license ASAP. Just joking, actually, I'd love to hear your CD, wanna trade? Your process sounds like it was a lot of fun, and it'd be interesting to hear the results now that I know the process! I kind of hesitate to call my new CD looping music as well, though it's the loopiest thing I've ever done. There's some real-time looping, a bit of "accidental" looping, one honest-to-god analog tape loop, analog sequencer loops, digital sequencer loops, drum loops, feedback loops galore and a whole lotta computer-based looping, but I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of "looping music" as a genre. I'm not all that comfortable with the idea of genres in general. Nor am I that fond of Generals, in general.... Looping is a technique, and there's a million different ways to do it. If, as you say, you're enjoying the results, and the music is saying what you wanted to say, who cares how you did it. Anyway, e-mail me your address, and I'll send you a copy of my disc. Same goes for anybody else who wants to trade tunes. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 22:36:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09614; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c08b35$d6e47d80$2981e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101260230.VAA07405@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: THOUGHTS on the new BOSS pedal VS. the Line 6 and the SOLO BASS LOOPING FESTIVAL Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:28:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say, that there are times that I find it irritating that the loops fade with each successive loop layer in the Line 6 which, otherwise is a perfect and fantastic pedal. Ironically, if the Boss let there be fading layers (with it's really long looping time) and the Line 6 had non-fading layers, it would be the best of all possible worlds for me and I'd probably save up and buy two of each. I've always been a short looper (because I play so many acoustic/electric melodic and rhythmic instruments----none of them well with the exception of the percussion side of things) until I saw Steve Lawson play the other night...............WOW!!!!!!!! I loved what he did with very long loops that he then memorized and played over. At the after show party, I was gratified to hear him say that he was into the same conception of looping rhythm that I have been getting in to. He said (I probably paraphrase badly) that he thinks of a long loop (or a short one for that matter) as a terrain, that has peaks and valleys and different distances between those sonic and rhythmic events. He then 'learns' the terrain, sometimes listening to a loop over and over in the background until he can accurately predict when an even in the loop is going to occur. There is nothing wrong with metromic phrasing but many of the world's master musicians know time so well that they can stretch it (even playing over a quantized sequence) to include great expression in their playing. Most of the world's ethnic traditions have 'moles' (moe- lay) or templates where the three or four metric units are not exactly even (like a perfectly quantized 16th note or triplet 8th note). Learning how to play over these feels and comform to them without trying to be metronomic has really helped me when I have backed master musicians from other cultures (primarily in the studio and at the Festival D'Ete in Quebec City every summer). It would be cool to start a little thread on how we concieve of time in our looping efforts. I tell all of my students that a digital looper is the best thing you could ever do for your mastery of timing in rhythmic playing. Who can stand a lumpy or glitchy loop unless it is intentional? Steve Lawson has GREAT mastery of this concept. I highly recommend that you all go to his web site www.Steve-Lawson.co.uk to check out his new CD. later, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 23:37:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11526; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:35:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:41:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Loop upgrades? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey guys, I'm just wondering if I have the most recent loop >upgrade for my EDP. > >When I boot up it says ...."Loop 3" and then says, "5.0". >Is there an upgrade from this available either hardware or >software wise? > no, you are up to date. But there will be a upgrade... soon :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 23:42:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11625; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:35:07 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Loop upgrades? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Conley wrote: > Hey guys, I'm just wondering if I have the most recent loop > upgrade for my EDP. > > When I boot up it says ...."Loop 3" and then says, "5.0". > Is there an upgrade from this available either hardware or > software wise? yes, that's the latest software version. There was never any big hardware upgrades, that I know of. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 23:44:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12144; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:42:10 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: conceptions of time In-Reply-To: <00a701c08b35$d6e47d80$2981e3a5@poo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: > It would be cool to start a little thread on how we concieve of time in our > looping efforts. I tell all of my students that a digital looper is the > best thing you could ever do for your mastery of timing in rhythmic playing. I usually play with delay before the loop and I usually time myself with that. Or when I'm doing very washy seamless beds of sound, I time myself with the texture of the sound, I've never heard Mr. Lawson play but I can totally understand how he approaches looping and I approach it similiarly, but with less success. ;-) I do agree that a real-time looping device is an *excellent* way to develop your timing skills, especially if you are working on polyrhythms. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 25 23:52:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12830; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:51:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:51:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010126045025.49113.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:50:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: New BOSS pedal prices at Musicians Friend... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop Station $299.99 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/home/010125202318209214073073311340?pid=151329 Amp Factory $219.99 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/home/010125202318209214073073311340?pid=151326 Advanced EQ $219.99 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/home/010125202318209214073073311340?pid=151325 I think the EQ pedal is the most interestng one. I don't recall ever seeing an EQ pedal with preset storage capability. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 01:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15990; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:39:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 04:45:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Click Track from EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I dont trust the visual control, somehow, but nevertheless, Eberhard >>Weber convinced me to include flashing LEDs in the upgrade, >>controlled by 8th/Beat factor. >> >Is this the current upgrade (loop3.5) or some new update some day >down the line? soon... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 02:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17348; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125223445.020353f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:41:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: while we're talkin equipment In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com (05:27 PM 01.25.2001) wrote: >has anyone had experiance with the ALESIS' airFX or the airSYNTH >($295.00), im curious, both look like neat boxes.....michael I haven't played with the AirSynth, but I imagine that it's much the same as the AirFX in concept which I have some exposure to. The AirFX is a totally preset box. There is no memory, no MIDI, and the inputs are RCA jacks. You drive the box via the "Axyz" controller which is an infrared device that can detect movement on 3 axis. This is different than the Roland D-Beam technology which can only detect movement on 1 axis. The ability to free-form things like phaser swirls, filter sweeps, scratch effects, vocoder effects is pretty cool. For example, call up a phaser and you have simultaneous control over effect depth, phase position, and phaser speed (I think those are the three params). If you find a certain spot that you like, hit the button and the box will hold that spot for you. The effects are good quality. All processing is done at 24bit and is spec'd at a bandwidth of 20hz-20khz. List price is $249.99, and I think the street is well under $200. Well worth the cash. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 02:07:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17674; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:06:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:13:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Use BeatSync! (with HW tricks...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4QFwZ.A.9TE._GSc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In "Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal" mails you mention things that can be solved by the EDP BeatSync. I join them here: > ... some trick of synching a non-MIDI looper to other > time-specific gear? Other than printing the drum loop to the looper, > which I hate to do, are there other creative options? If there is a LED that blinks in the rithm of the loop, you can feed that pulse from its driver to the outer world and convert to MIDI somehow or feed the BeatSync of an Echoplex. Miko: >I put my EDP in sampler mode (Mute then hit insert for a one-shot >trigger) on long loops, then tap on the downbeat. It's amazing how >well you can make things sync up. Thats a good method. Even better is to get a flat, handy foot switch and connect it to BeatSync. Set Sync - IN. Then you can tap during most functions to get the same correction effect without needing to tap every time, the loop goes on when you dont tap and get alined when you tap. >Then you can do things like re-trigger only the beginning of the >loop for awhile, then let the entire loop play to add variation. Ah, thats different, but BeatSync also does that if you set to Mute-Multiply (I hope it does it in that version, sorry, we keep changing our minds what this function should do exactly ;-). >It's SO simple, yet really makes things sound dynamic. The fact that >it automatically stops allows you to improvise yet other events in >any gaps you leave open. It's really easy and fun... nice you like it! >I believe you can do this sort of thing on the Boomerang and well as >the DL4... The Boss looks like it does that as well as allows you to >RE-TAP to CHANGE the loop time... hmm, so we could connect the BeatSync with Sync = OUT or any other pulse from any other machine to this tap switch, right? >so I'd say you should be able to recover from poorly tapped tempo >problems as well as be creative about how you overlay your loops. Yes. Mich Gerber simply puts the melodies in his second EDP to Mute and then starts them again next time round, with Mute (MuteMode = Sta) or with Undo (MuteMode = Cnt) Mark Sottilaro: > >There is a computer/hardware device (Help? I can't remember the >name...Conductor maybe?) that can adjust sequenced backing tracks by >listing to a soloist and making tempo changes. I played with it a few >times when I worked in a music store, and it seemed to work pretty >well. thats interesting! There must be computer soft doing that too!? >Until technology gets to a point where computers can make changes >to tempo based on a live performance, we're still stuck with using a >midi clock to get loopers to synch with other electronic music devices. > As long as there is a outstanding peak in the signal (as the bass drum often provides), you can adjust the level and feed BeatSync with it. Contol with the Sync dot blinking. But the level as low as possible so that its still flashing. Even if there is a second such peak in the sound, it may not harm, because the syncing only considers impulses close to the beginning of the loop. I discribed that differently earlyer... sorry if I repeat myself... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 02:10:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17903; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:09:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD9E@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAD9E@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:16:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: forwarded review of bass loop fest in santa cruz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >found this review of the santa cruz bass loop fest on a bass list i'm on. Rick is so modest... congratulations! >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0800 >Subject: Santa Cruz Bass looping show review > >... >Rick Walker interjected the prepared bass at different parts of the evening >and co-looped on Steve's bass as part of the later segment and added some >well placed rhythmic and tonal elements. Did you build bridges between the artists, Rick? Or is that usual now on loop festivals that one soloist takes over directly from the other, not leaving any sound gaps the whole night? >My only critiques of the evening would be that most (not all) of the tunes >focused on the more somber side of our instrument making for an evening that >could have used a few more "up" moments. I find it rather strange to do a festival with only one instrument, but great that it happened anyway. >Also, many of the compositions were >short and ended rather abruptly due to, I believe, the technical challenges >most of the performers had controlling the loops and their racks. oh, go back to study and use FeedBack on a pedal. While the "big" loop fades, you can play the basic loop again or some other finalizing and the cut the rest of the loop at some softer moment. Or, if you want a heavy end, cut a short intense moment out of the loop and overdub some more heavy notes while it repeats a few times. To complete the Beethoven effect, add long reverb to the last repetition :-) But since I have no idea what the music was like, I better shut up and come arround to see. I REALLY wonder.... Do you think there could be a festival that buys a plain ticket from Brasil for me and my guitar? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 02:56:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18656; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c0876c$d9bc7c00$4a0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Review of Steve Lawson in LA Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:51:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just back from the clinic at the LA Bass Exchange, and Steve put on an intimate presentation of his solo bass work. He gets a great tone from his Modulus and the amp he was demonstrating (Ashdown) was also quite impressive. Free admission, free latte, and I got a t-shirt. What's not to like? He is appearing tomorrow night as well at The Roadhouse Coffee Stop in Temple City. Steve's approach to looping uses three loopers--the DL-4, a Jamman and his GPX-G2--which are not synched up at all! He made great use of the volume pedal on the DL-4 to bring the loop in and out. Signal chain seemed to be bass into the G2 into the DL-4 into the Jamman. More than anything, tho, he has a great tone and his use of vibrato on his fretless bass guitar was very lyrical. All original music (although he quoted some standards) and mostly inside (except for his distortion freakout on the last tune!) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 03:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19615; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6B47E6.CBC470DA@cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:22:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:34 PM -0800 1/21/01, Mountain Man wrote: >I'm trying to get the EDP to dump sysex data to cakewalk, and also >trying to understand the dump process. I could use a helping hand :) >I have a very cakewalk-specific "how to" question, and then a couple of >more general EDP questions. > >I'm getting the sysex data on my PC, in fact I can monitor it using >Midi-OX. It's coming in 127 byte "chunks" . I have sysex turned on in >Cakewalk, with them max number of buffers set (128). Also have midi >echo turned off (stumbled over that one for a while! lol) Cakewalk is >definitely seeing the EDP, I can record continuous controller messages >45 and 46 (some sort of loop timing info?). When I try to record sysex, >(either by using from the sysex view, or >simply by hitting "record" in the track view), however, I don't see any >data arriving. I have no trouble recording sysex from other devices >using the same procedure. Is there something different about the EDP >messages or communication that might be causing me a problem? Hard to say what is wrong. We just implemented the midi sample dump spec. The problem is that most manufacturers implemented it slightly differently, or have bugs. So it is not much of a standard. Since nobody seriously ever uses midi sample dump, nobody puts much effort into fixing these things. (including us, to be honest.) We got it to work with a variety of devices and programs that we had available at the time, by doing necessay changes and workarounds in the software for their implementations. We apparently didn't have a copy of cakewalk then..... > >I've been finding the display on the EDP when dumping data confusing. >the manual says that the numbers will show the percentage of dump >completed. What I'm seeing is a rapid cycling of numbers from 0 to 127, >with a "d" in two different positions toggling back and forth (but not >syncronized with the numbers). I have no idea what this is telling me. > >Also, the manual says to expect that transmission time will be 10 to 15 >times the length of the current loop. This makes sense to me. I >recorded a 2 second loop and timed the dump. It took 3 minutes. That's >90 times the length. At this speed, a 20 second loop will take >half-an-hour to transfer. Is my EDP working properly? the slow transfer rate you are seeing is actually normal for midi sample dump. this has nothing to do with the echoplex, sample dump is very very slow. I've generally seen it to be around 85-90 times longer without any handshaking (open loop), maybe 60-70 times with it (closed loop). I've explained all of this before: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199702/msg00128.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199702/msg00129.html or here, search for it all: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=echoplex%3B dump&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.c gifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles Frankly, you a better off not bothering with sample dump, because it is a piece of junk. Record the audio directly to your pc. Then use a sequencer to load it back into the echoplex by having the sequencer tap record, play the audio, and end record. The audio fidelity won't be perfect, but the transfer rate will be 1x the sample length. And the first time it is played from the sequencer you could be listening to it, so you could say it is even faster! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 03:54:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20177; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:53:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:53:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <18.7f626e3.27a294a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:51:47 EST Subject: Re:transporting effects safely To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I figure the best way to do all of this is to buy a case that is > suitable for transport (flight case perhaps?) and just use that for studio > as well as live use. I suggest Studio Spares,Mail Order, although they are a UK company, just to see the sort of thing thats available for studio type setups(& live stuff). The studio stuff isn't designed for roadies, but could well be tough enough for what you want, and somewhat cheaper. Semi-flight style is probabaly tough enough for most live use (full flight cases are very expensive) Remember a flight case type solution will be far less portable than you expect. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 05:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22459; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:34:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.81] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good intentions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:32:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 10:32:43.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[5114FF50:01C08783] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>They know that banging someone with a >> pipe doesn't become music until you add good intention. > Crossover [among others] asks, >What constitutes "good" intention? Okay. The thread began with the assertion that all is perception [what they meant-btw- was *all is perspective*- which is *true*]. It was hinted that there is no *good* nor *bad*, but thinking makes it so. I wanted to play on how *perception* actually works. We *hear* what we *attend* to--- well, actually, we hear all kinds of things, but that which we *intentionally* hear is different [we all have opinions and ideas about this, whether biological, philosophical or spiritual]. Someone had said that music was *just vibrations of atoms*. I wanted to suggest that that is about as close as saying, *an airplane crash is just material, reshaping*. Not if your wife was on there. And from who's perspective is it *just* re-shaping material??? So... My point [ahem. need coffee]: If, while beating someone with a pipe, there happen to be noises [vibrations]- - - that doesn't make it music. If you [or a bystander] notice that the thuds and pops have a rhythmic quality- - - that still isn't music. But if you begin to modify your approach, in order to enhance the musical qualities: then, it's music. Your *intention* had to change [your perception and perspective can stay the same]. Further, you had to have a *constructive* [a wish to build, etc] intention. [I regret the metaphor. It's one of those, best not elaborated on] One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. You can program a computer [intention]. You can throw bricks at pianos. But no one ever made music by accident. Not once. At some point the intention was there. Not only must you have the *intention* to make music, but it must be constructive/benevolent[with the aim to communicate with as little static as possible]/harmonic [by any definition]/cooperative [of the elements/creator/listener]: in other words: *Good* *Intended*...[as opposed to chaos/noise/pain/damage/rendering auseinander]. Of course this brings into question what makes apperception different from perception--- what makes attention different from intention, etc. Even I am [almost] smart enough to know that this isn't the place to speculate further... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 07:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24212; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:07:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c0878e$ac49d700$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <9e.f3884ff.27a22410@aol.com> Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Loopin Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:54:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx for the many views on the possible negative aspects of the unit : I do think it will be a great addition to my DL4, and it's about the same price. It's mainly the memory that appeals to me, I now work with a SP202 as to record my DL4 samples, I think maybe the RC could replace that function, so I can use the SP more for drumloops and vocal hits 'n' stuff. But, I'll surely try the RC first before buying. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Loopin > Hello all, > > I sat in for the demo of the new Boss pedal twice and also talked with a few > reps at Roland. I think the price will actually be closer to $350 list. This > may be wrong... > > I was largely disappointed with the pedal as a serious looping device for the > following reasons > > 1. Once the initial loop is laid, it locked in. This unit DOES NOT OPERATE > LIKE A DELAY. You can overdub to your hearts content, but the old layers > will never fade away or decay. > > 2. There is an annoying click track which sets up a tempo. It is > defeatable, but it still annoyed me. (just a personal dislike) > > 3. It was nowhere as cool as a Jamman and not even close to a DL4 in terms > of flexibility or practical use. > > Now on the plus side. 5 min. is an awsome time length for loop capacity. > This unit would be perfect if only you could have old layers decay as you > added new loops. > > This is only my opinion, but I find the DL4 the better buy for the price as > it also has really killer delays which you can play with. > > I also agree that the interface was very clunky and very vanilla. > > - Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 10:40:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28512; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:38:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:38:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <09d501c087ac$c0ec4c10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: good intentions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:29:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3iMAtC.A.F9G.NmZc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very good reasoning, Robert, and very well stated. However...[ahem, perhaps I need more coffee, too!]... I think your reasoning is presented somewhat in reverse. I believe "One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. " is the premise and not the conclusion. All the other statements follow from this one. The premise places much weight upon willful intent and expression of the *creator* of the music. The *listener* of the music is not in this equation. Say that we reversed the situation. For example, I am sitting in my backyard listening to my wind chimes (and perhaps other background "noises"). I hear the sounds as music. That is, the sounds have the same effect on me as when I hear traditional musicians doing what they call playing music. I hear the wind chimes sounds as music because I *intend* to. Thus, the statement becomes, "One can not listen to music by *accident* [unintentionally]." But is not that new statement the same (functionally) as "I *intend* to interpret most sounds as not-music."? So if I change my intention (maybe *expectation* is a better word), I can hear all sounds as if they are music. Information theory states that the meaning of a message is in the receiver of the message. In accordance with this idea, music is defined (categorized as music) by the listener and not the creator. Of course, when we're being musicians, we're BOTH listener and creator (at least most of the time). I find a curious alternation of consciousness happens when I play, especially when improvising. As a creator, I must narrow what I do. Say that I'm adding to a loop. Of all the possible sounds, I can only chose one (this time). As a listener, I'm expanding my interpretation. When playing, my consciousness alternately narrows and expands. Perhaps that pleasant buzz when we play is partly due to this constant shifting. It certainly make us feel alive! [Now where is my coffee...] Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com P.S. To my fellow listers, I apologize for including Robert's original message in nearly its entirety. But the discussion is hard to follow without it. > > Okay. > > The thread began with the assertion that all is perception [what they > meant-btw- was *all is perspective*- which is *true*]. It was hinted that > there is no *good* nor *bad*, but thinking makes it so. > > I wanted to play on how *perception* actually works. We *hear* what we > *attend* to--- well, actually, we hear all kinds of things, but that which > we *intentionally* hear is different [we all have opinions and ideas about > this, whether biological, philosophical or spiritual]. Someone had said that > music was *just vibrations of atoms*. I wanted to suggest that that is about > as close as saying, *an airplane crash is just material, reshaping*. Not if > your wife was on there. And from who's perspective is it *just* re-shaping > material??? > > So... My point [ahem. need coffee]: If, while beating someone with a pipe, > there happen to be noises [vibrations]- - - that doesn't make it music. If > you [or a bystander] notice that the thuds and pops have a rhythmic quality- > - - that still isn't music. But if you begin to modify your approach, in > order to enhance the musical qualities: then, it's music. Your *intention* > had to change [your perception and perspective can stay the same]. Further, > you had to have a *constructive* [a wish to build, etc] intention. > > [I regret the metaphor. It's one of those, best not elaborated on] > > One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. You can program a > computer [intention]. You can throw bricks at pianos. But no one ever made > music by accident. Not once. At some point the intention was there. Not only > must you have the *intention* to make music, but it must be > constructive/benevolent[with the aim to communicate with as little static as > possible]/harmonic [by any definition]/cooperative [of the > elements/creator/listener]: in other words: *Good* *Intended*...[as opposed > to chaos/noise/pain/damage/rendering auseinander]. > > Of course this brings into question what makes apperception different from > perception--- what makes attention different from intention, etc. > > Even I am [almost] smart enough to know that this isn't the place to > speculate further... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 11:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30004; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE30325890E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lazy CD Spam Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:11:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <45wSkB.A.KUH.JHac6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings! I've put my latest CD-full of sonic experiments up on mp3.com for your listening perusal. These pieces were mostly built with my EDP and/or Acid, including 3 loop/improvs performed on my new 14-string touch-guitar. Investigate at your own risk... - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 11:27:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30565; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:25:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:25:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010126112629.007c1100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:26:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Lazy CD Spam In-Reply-To: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE30325890E@hqmsgsrf07.autode sk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com URL? At 08:11 AM 1/26/01 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings! > >I've put my latest CD-full of sonic experiments up on mp3.com for your listening perusal. >These pieces were mostly built with my EDP and/or Acid, including 3 loop/improvs performed >on my new 14-string touch-guitar. > >Investigate at your own risk... > > >- Larry > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 11:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31430; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lazy CD Spam Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:46:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 16:46:40.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E4E8790:01C087B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Url? Also-is this 14 string touch-guitar the "Stick"? >URL? > > >These pieces were mostly built with my EDP and/or Acid, including 3 >loop/improvs performed > >on my new 14-string touch-guitar. > > > >Investigate at your own risk... > > > > > >- Larry > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 12:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32270; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:01:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: Subject: music dowloads... Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:18:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C08781.472C7240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 16:59:48.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[6461E290:01C087B9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C08781.472C7240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone voluntarily put any of their looped creations on Napster. I = do not want to start a lengthy thread about the sight or the ethics = behind free music/shared art, etc., but I would love to see what others = have created. Thanks and have a great weekend, Gregg Side note Jamman question: I am getting tired of the cheaper, plastic = Lexicon pedals, and they have been shrooming out lately. Can anyone = suggest an alternative. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C08781.472C7240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone voluntarily put any of their = looped=20 creations on Napster.  I do not want to start a lengthy thread = about the=20 sight or the ethics behind free music/shared art, etc., but I would love = to see=20 what others have created.
 
Thanks and have a great = weekend,
 Gregg
 
Side note Jamman question:  I am = getting tired=20 of the cheaper, plastic Lexicon pedals, and they have been shrooming out = lately.  Can anyone suggest an alternative.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C08781.472C7240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 14:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03469; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A71CDDD.14AA1D02@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:19:24 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) References: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree. I almost can't believe that a company like Roland would forget a very important feature like this one. Also, NO FADE? What the hell are they thinking? If anyone from Roland is on this list: Do what ever it takes to add midi synch and a fade to your unit, and you'll open it up to many more customers. (like me!) Mark (a different one) Mark Hamburg wrote: > Pet Peeve: Devices with MIDI inputs and tap tempo that can't sync to MIDI > clock. > > All the pieces are there. Well, almost since you may need a way to specify > how many clock ticks per tap but that could be handled in a variety of ways. > > I've got too many devices that are subject to this limitation for it to be > at all amusing. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 14:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04021; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.148] From: "Max Valentino" To: Subject: Solo Bass Looping Festival Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:27:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0878B.06829940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 19:33:56.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC618280:01C087CE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0878B.06829940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello; My name is Max Valentino and I had the privilage of performing at = the 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival held in Santa Cruz CA on Jan. 23. I would like to thank all of those who made it to this historical and = important show, and all of those who posted their support here at = Looper's Delight. Also much thanks to the reviewer who said such nice things about my set = (even if you didn't catch the name). Most of all thanks to Trey Donovan, = Scott Kungha Drengsen, Steve Lawson and, of course, Rick Walker for = making this all possible. It was a wonderful and magical evening.....I = can only hope more such events take place (and, by the way, if you are = thinking of such an event, please contact me...I will be there in a = heartbeat!) Tho I had checked out LD several times, only recently have I joined the = "ring" so to speak. I would love to communicate with other looping = artists from around the globe. I may be reached at ekstasis1@hotmail.com Thanks again and LoopOn! Max Valentino ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0878B.06829940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello; My name is Max Valentino and I = had the=20 privilage of performing at the 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival held in = Santa Cruz=20 CA on Jan. 23.
I would like to thank all of those who = made it to=20 this historical and important show, and all of those who posted their = support=20 here at Looper's Delight.
Also much thanks to the reviewer who = said such nice=20 things about my set (even if you didn't catch the name). Most of all = thanks to=20 Trey Donovan, Scott Kungha Drengsen, Steve Lawson and, of course, Rick = Walker=20 for making this all possible.  It was a wonderful and magical = evening.....I=20 can only hope more such events take place (and, by the way, if you are = thinking=20 of such an event, please contact me...I will be there in a=20 heartbeat!)
Tho I had checked out LD several times, = only=20 recently have I joined the "ring" so to speak.  I would love to = communicate=20 with other looping artists from around the globe.
I may be reached at ekstasis1@hotmail.com
Thanks again and LoopOn!
Max = Valentino
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0878B.06829940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 15:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05501; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:27:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:27:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A71CDDD.14AA1D02@zerocrossing.net> References: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:24:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The BOSS pedal probably gets a pass from me on this one (as does the DL-4) since it doesn't have MIDI input. On the other hand, the GP-100 does raise my ire in this regard. Mark At 11:19 AM -0800 1/26/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I totally agree. I almost can't believe that a company like Roland would >forget a very important feature like this one. Also, NO FADE? What the hell >are they thinking? If anyone from Roland is on this list: Do what ever it >takes to add midi synch and a fade to your unit, and you'll open it up to many >more customers. (like me!) > >Mark (a different one) > >Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> Pet Peeve: Devices with MIDI inputs and tap tempo that can't sync to MIDI >> clock. >> >> All the pieces are there. Well, almost since you may need a way to specify >> how many clock ticks per tap but that could be handled in a variety of ways. >> >> I've got too many devices that are subject to this limitation for it to be >> at all amusing. >> >> Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 16:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06795; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:07:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:07:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #55 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:04:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 21:04:23.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F329BA0:01C087DB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unless one is playing a circuit-bent instrument (see oddmusic list at oddmusic@egroups.com). :) :) :) Paolo From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good intentions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:32:43 [snip] Crossover [among others] asks, What constitutes "good" intention? [snip] One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 16:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06877; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011f01c08bc9$3bf6eee0$5a81e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101261540.KAA28744@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi, California Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:03:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias!, you asked: "Did you build bridges between the artists, Rick? Or is that usual now on loop festivals that one soloist takes over directly from the other, not leaving any sound gaps the whole night? This is a new thing, so there is no usual. It was cool that it worked out that way from Scott's set into Steve's set (with me eventually fading Scott's last loop so that Steve could seque into his first piece). You also said "I find it rather strange to do a festival with only one instrument, but great that it happened anyway." I agree that it was a tightly defined genre, but if you could have felt the beautiful sense of solidarity at the show (and I quote a letter form Max Valentino at the end of this missive) you would have seen (and heard) that it made perfect sense to define it so tightyly. I asked many audience members whether it worked as an evening of music and got very, very enthusiastic replies. Also, you said: "But since I have no idea what the music was like, I better shut up and come arround to see. I REALLY wonder.... Do you think there could be a festival that buys a plain ticket from Brasil for me and my guitar?" Even with the theater, sound system, and artists being free, I still lost about $30 out of my own pocket for the posters (but I sold 2 $10/CDs and one person 'donated' $5 so I ended up pretty close to even). What I've realized about this 'artform' and I'm going to unabashedly refer to it as an artform because "what is, IS" (if you catch my drift) is that we need to promote the hell out of it because it is artistic life blood to do so. In the U.S. (and I really don't want to appear to be culturally miopic, but here is where I live) there is so little support for the 'new' and creative. Consequently, I've decided to dedicate the rest of my life to both my art and to being a 'cheerleader' for other peoples' art, merely because not many people seem to be doing it. My other little incentive is that I haven't wanted to be artistically 'lonely'. I crave a community and anyone who was at this festival could feel the palpable sense of an emerging community. It was such a privilige to be in the company of these four very creative pioneering artists. I love the bass guitar (even thought I am not very accomplished at playing it, yet) and love the possibilities that it presents as an instrument specific to looping. Also, bassists are in an incredible minority in the guitar dominated looping world (don't worry, some of my best friends are guitar based loopists) so it was kind of cool to promote and produce this show. Long story, short: we can't bring you up here (except to play your CD in between acts which I would be more than happy to do) but I would encourage you to seek out fellow loopers in Brazil (there must be some others) and throw the first Brazilian Looping Festival. Yours, in the loop, Rick Walker below, an excerpt of Max Valentino's letter to me about the Bass Festival: "Seriously, it was my extreme honor to be asked to attend that event. And, in some way, it was a turning point in my own solo-bass career. The event itself, and the calibre of musicianship present, offered an unique validation to my approach to bass playing and looping, and I left the festival with deeper musical insights, higher musical inspirations, and a true sense of belonging to a community of artists with a shared, common vision. Thank you for that! I am excited about many possible techniques which I was exposed to there....by you, Steve, Trey and Scott, and now am going to do many sonic experiments (of which I will certainly keep you informed about)." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 16:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07031; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:10:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:11:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) Message-ID: <20010126.131149.74.4.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-50 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com little non-synch loopers like the dl4, headrush, this new boss thingy, etc work great before a synched looper (jamman, edp) for pre-synch looping and like eric p says, 'making little floating loops'. never met a looper yet i didn't like :-) tony 6 loopers and counting... On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:24:59 -0800 "Mark Hamburg" writes: > The BOSS pedal probably gets a pass from me on this one (as does the > DL-4) > since it doesn't have MIDI input. On the other hand, the GP-100 does > raise > my ire in this regard. > > Mark > > At 11:19 AM -0800 1/26/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >I totally agree. I almost can't believe that a company like Roland > would > >forget a very important feature like this one. Also, NO FADE? > What the hell > >are they thinking? If anyone from Roland is on this list: Do what > ever it > >takes to add midi synch and a fade to your unit, and you'll open it > up to many > >more customers. (like me!) > > > >Mark (a different one) > > > >Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> Pet Peeve: Devices with MIDI inputs and tap tempo that can't sync > to MIDI > >> clock. > >> > >> All the pieces are there. Well, almost since you may need a way > to specify > >> how many clock ticks per tap but that could be handled in a > variety of ways. > >> > >> I've got too many devices that are subject to this limitation for > it to be > >> at all amusing. > >> > >> Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 16:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07480; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Larry's web address and guitar Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:11:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2001 21:11:25.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AB5A990:01C087DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The web address for Larry's mp3 page is www.mp3.com/larrypeterson I think the touch guitar's called a Warr guitar, isn't it Larry? It isn't a stick, but it seems to work on the same principles. It's more guitar-shaped, but with a wider neck to accomodate for all the strings. >From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Lazy CD Spam >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:11:23 -0800 > >Greetings! > >I've put my latest CD-full of sonic experiments up on mp3.com for your >listening perusal. >These pieces were mostly built with my EDP and/or Acid, including 3 >loop/improvs performed >on my new 14-string touch-guitar. > >Investigate at your own risk... > > >- Larry > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 16:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08950; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:50:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:50:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:48:11 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi, California Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA08862 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In the U.S. (and I really don't want to appear to be culturally myopic, but here is where I live) there is so little support for the 'new' and creative. Consequently, I've decided to dedicate the rest of my life to both my art and to being a 'cheerleader' for other peoples' art, merely because not many people seem to be doing it. Yep... No support from all the common conduits. But witness the large amount of looped music coming out of the film industry. The soundtrack for "Traffic" is predominately loop and electronic oriented with David Torn playing a large role in that score. Dunno if he's the main composer, but he's EVERYWHERE. There are credits for Eno, Michael Brook and many others... Now to get some work in THAT field?.. Hmmm. > My other little incentive is that I don't want to be artistically 'lonely'. I crave a community and anyone who was at this festival could feel the palpable sense of an emerging community. It was such a privilige to be in the company of these four very creative pioneering artists. I'm in that camp also, as selfish as it may sound... I want to build a community of peers who know the language we're speaking here. It's pretty lonely when people go into drool 'n daydream mode when presented with dialog about our art. I want COMMUNITY... There's been a HUGE thread about promotion, professionalism, gender representation and growth of a "scene" on the ba-newmuse mailing list which has been amazing (as well as contentious). And it's great to see Santa Cruz and surrounding areas coming together to support and raise the level of our little experimental scene. (I use this term inclusively to describe all aspects of creative / avant / electronic etc.) It's reassuring to know that there is a large body of musicians out there who are dedicated to continuing making music despite the economic adversity. If there's a way for us to play publicly and hear each other as well as grow (AND break even hopefully) I'm sure we'll continue to grow and inspire each other. That's what it really all about isn't it? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 17:18:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10077; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3762FE9C13F2D3119321000629EE46DE0AF8CA@HCI> From: Rod Morgan To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:15:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's anyone kmow about the Electrix Repeater? -----Original Message----- From: Tony Moore [mailto:tony-moore@juno.com] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) little non-synch loopers like the dl4, headrush, this new boss thingy, etc work great before a synched looper (jamman, edp) for pre-synch looping and like eric p says, 'making little floating loops'. never met a looper yet i didn't like :-) tony 6 loopers and counting... On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:24:59 -0800 "Mark Hamburg" writes: > The BOSS pedal probably gets a pass from me on this one (as does the > DL-4) > since it doesn't have MIDI input. On the other hand, the GP-100 does > raise > my ire in this regard. > > Mark > > At 11:19 AM -0800 1/26/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >I totally agree. I almost can't believe that a company like Roland > would > >forget a very important feature like this one. Also, NO FADE? > What the hell > >are they thinking? If anyone from Roland is on this list: Do what > ever it > >takes to add midi synch and a fade to your unit, and you'll open it > up to many > >more customers. (like me!) > > > >Mark (a different one) > > > >Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > >> Pet Peeve: Devices with MIDI inputs and tap tempo that can't sync > to MIDI > >> clock. > >> > >> All the pieces are there. Well, almost since you may need a way > to specify > >> how many clock ticks per tap but that could be handled in a > variety of ways. > >> > >> I've got too many devices that are subject to this limitation for > it to be > >> at all amusing. > >> > >> Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 17:32:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10556; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:31:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:29:39 EST Subject: double neck guitar and bass To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <_uieu.A.mkC.5pfc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loop-Addicts! I just ordered my very first Doubleneck Guitar and bass!! It's an SG style 1976 Starfield with the Bass at the top. I started out playing bass, then moved to guitar later, so this reflects my preferences as well as how high I generally hang each instrument . . . I can't wait, because instrument switching has been my one hang up with looping . . . It's cool to jump to keys after laying a guitar line (just letting the guitar hang there Springsteen style), but taking off a guitar and strapping on a bass has always been a distracting time waster . . . I had an upright bass set upright to jump onto, but those don't sound so good when going into a digital loop praser (they need a preamp of some kind before going in) and it's huge and impractical . . . Now, I can lay a bass line, then guitar, then keys, then lead, then scratch, when the bass starts to fade, do a funkier bass, then solo, then bang stuff, squeeze rubber duckies, or make armpit farts into the mike (try it!) . . . ! I am so totally psyched this is gonna be VERY cool . . . I've been fantasizing about having one for quite some time, but they're rare or custom made, so usually expensive (mine was just $445 on Ebay, thought :-)) . . . I do have one concern, however . . . with my shaved head, people might confuse me for Elliot Sharp (or, worse, an Elliot Sharp WANNABE)!!!! No offense, Mr. "Downtown is more than just a zipcode" . . . Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else had a Guit-bass or something similar, what they prefer to have on top or bottom, what kinds they have, and the like! Also, I thought you all should check this out: http://www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=189 I personally can't stand Steinbergers, but it's a pretty cheap (although sold out at the moment) Guit/Bass Doubleneck and the white one with the black trim doesn't look THAT bad (read: not quite so 80's dinner theatre metal) Lastly, everyone interested in the possibilities inherent in random instrumentation should check out the Beck-flavored tour de force known as Self's new album "Gizmodgery" http://www.spongebathrec.com/ - The album is done entirely using Toy Instruments (Muppet Show Drums, Pianosaurus, Plastic Guitars, Sears Student Bass, Doll Voice Boxes, Speak and Spells, Micro Jammer Drum Machines, and so on)!! You'd think it would sound lo fi, but with the aid of samplers, studio tricks, and a lot of love, the instrumentation is only Overtly noticeable when it is meant to be . . . If you didn't tell someone what it took to make it, most people wouldn't know, with the occasional Cindy Speaks samples and cheasy "drum fill" button solos aside. Kind of makes you wish you hadn't speant $3600 on your custom made Koa guitar with active electronics and midi pickups, doesn't it? . . . . Love, Aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 17:45:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11123; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE303258911@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lazy CD Spam - Take 2 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:41:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com URL? www.mp3.com/larrypeterson Oops! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 17:57:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11522; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:53:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE303258912@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Larry's web address and guitar Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:53:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The web address for Larry's mp3 page is > www.mp3.com/larrypeterson Thanks! I forgot to put that in... > I think the touch guitar's called a Warr guitar, isn't it Larry? It isn't a > stick, but it seems to work on the same principles. It's more guitar-shaped, > but with a wider neck to accomodate for all the strings. No, it's not a Warr Guitar, because someone else built it. It is much closer to the Warr Guitar than to the Stick I used to own. It's like a Stick with a major attitude! You can got to www.stick.com or www.warrguitars.com to check out the two instruments in question. I was hoping that the luthier who built it had pictures up on his web page, but I just checked and he doesn't (his address is www.rarebirdguitars.com if anyone's interested). I can send pictures if anyone wants to see this beast. - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 18:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12896; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:17:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7204BF.558FD1F8@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:14:07 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: double neck guitar and bass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA12849 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of plug in is that Aaroneous? I,m game but would like to know what Dr Net is first. fellow loop addict, jeff AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > Hey Loop-Addicts! > > I just ordered my very first Doubleneck Guitar and bass!! It's an SG style 1976 Starfield with the Bass at the top. I started out playing bass, then moved to guitar later, so this reflects my preferences as well as how high I generally hang each instrument . . . I can't wait, because instrument switching has been my one hang up with looping . . . It's cool to jump to keys after laying a guitar line (just letting the guitar hang there Springsteen style), but taking off a guitar and strapping on a bass has always been a distracting time waster . . . I had an upright bass set upright to jump onto, but those don't sound so good when going into a digital loop praser (they need a preamp of some kind before going in) and it's huge and impractical . . . Now, I can lay a bass line, then guitar, then keys, then lead, then scratch, when the bass starts to fade, do a funkier bass, then solo, then bang stuff, squeeze rubber duckies, or make armpit farts into the mike (try it!) . . . ! > ! > I am so totally psyched this is > > gonna be VERY cool . . . I've been fantasizing about having one for quite some time, but they're rare or custom made, so usually expensive (mine was just $445 on Ebay, thought :-)) . . . I do have one concern, however . . . with my shaved head, people might confuse me for Elliot Sharp (or, worse, an Elliot Sharp WANNABE)!!!! No offense, Mr. "Downtown is more than just a zipcode" . . . > > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else had a Guit-bass or something similar, what they prefer to have on top or bottom, what kinds they have, and the like! Also, I thought you all should check this out: > > http://www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=189 > > I personally can't stand Steinbergers, but it's a pretty cheap (although sold out at the moment) Guit/Bass Doubleneck and the white one with the black trim doesn't look THAT bad (read: not quite so 80's dinner theatre metal) > > Lastly, everyone interested in the possibilities inherent in random instrumentation should check out the Beck-flavored tour de force known as Self's new album > "Gizmodgery" > > http://www.spongebathrec.com/ > > - The album is done entirely using Toy Instruments (Muppet Show Drums, Pianosaurus, Plastic Guitars, Sears Student Bass, Doll Voice Boxes, Speak and Spells, Micro Jammer Drum Machines, and so on)!! You'd think it would sound lo fi, but with the aid of samplers, studio tricks, and a lot of love, the instrumentation is only Overtly noticeable when it is meant to be . . . If you didn't tell someone what it took to make it, most people wouldn't know, with the occasional Cindy Speaks samples and cheasy "drum fill" button solos aside. Kind of makes you wish you hadn't speant $3600 on your custom made Koa guitar with active electronics and midi pickups, doesn't it? . . . . > > Love, > > Aaroneous > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 18:21:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13017; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A720562.5A3E1371@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:16:50 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Larry's web address and guitar References: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE303258912@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey man, I really dig Thors Revenge. About tore my puny little pc speakers up, good tune, jd larry.peterson@autodesk.com wrote: > > The web address for Larry's mp3 page is > > > www.mp3.com/larrypeterson > > Thanks! I forgot to put that in... > > > I think the touch guitar's called a Warr guitar, isn't it Larry? It isn't a > > stick, but it seems to work on the same principles. It's more guitar-shaped, > > but with a wider neck to accomodate for all the strings. > > No, it's not a Warr Guitar, because someone else built it. It is much closer to > the Warr Guitar than to the Stick I used to own. It's like a Stick with a major > attitude! You can got to www.stick.com or www.warrguitars.com to check out the > two instruments in question. > > I was hoping that the luthier who built it had pictures up on his web page, but > I just checked and he doesn't (his address is www.rarebirdguitars.com if anyone's > interested). I can send pictures if anyone wants to see this beast. > > - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 18:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13911; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c087f0$d30b2e40$8883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: Behringer monitors Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:36:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com has anyone tried the Behringer bi-powered studio monitors ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 19:16:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15412; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A721267.34FFD999@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:11:51 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: double neck guitar and bass References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA15358 Resent-Message-ID: <1jhN8D.A.NwD.mJhc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an original Steinberger. Same body style, but with a real transtrem and Active EMGs. Bass too, but with a slightly different body style and a drop D tuner. Anyway, I love them both DEARLY. I think STEINBERGERS LOOK COOL! Even those bodiless ones. Sure, Dreamtheater may have ruined it for all of us, as Hitler ruined the little mustache deal, but so what? They're great guitars. Well made and NOTHING I've played does what a transtrem does. So, has anyone on the list played one of these Spirits? I am also sick of doing the bass/guitar switch live. Lately, I've just resorted to abandoning the bass and using a Roland GR-30 for bass parts. Actually, it works pretty well. The idea of a double neck is interesting, but I must admit, I bet it's damn heavy. Mark AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > Hey Loop-Addicts! > > I just ordered my very first Doubleneck Guitar and bass!! It's an SG style 1976 Starfield with the Bass at the top. I started out playing bass, then moved to guitar later, so this reflects my preferences as well as how high I generally hang each instrument . . . I can't wait, because instrument switching has been my one hang up with looping . . . It's cool to jump to keys after laying a guitar line (just letting the guitar hang there Springsteen style), but taking off a guitar and strapping on a bass has always been a distracting time waster . . . I had an upright bass set upright to jump onto, but those don't sound so good when going into a digital loop praser (they need a preamp of some kind before going in) and it's huge and impractical . . . Now, I can lay a bass line, then guitar, then keys, then lead, then scratch, when the bass starts to fade, do a funkier bass, then solo, then bang stuff, squeeze rubber duckies, or make armpit farts into the mike (try it!) . . . ! > ! > I am so totally psyched this is > > gonna be VERY cool . . . I've been fantasizing about having one for quite some time, but they're rare or custom made, so usually expensive (mine was just $445 on Ebay, thought :-)) . . . I do have one concern, however . . . with my shaved head, people might confuse me for Elliot Sharp (or, worse, an Elliot Sharp WANNABE)!!!! No offense, Mr. "Downtown is more than just a zipcode" . . . > > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else had a Guit-bass or something similar, what they prefer to have on top or bottom, what kinds they have, and the like! Also, I thought you all should check this out: > > http://www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=189 > > I personally can't stand Steinbergers, but it's a pretty cheap (although sold out at the moment) Guit/Bass Doubleneck and the white one with the black trim doesn't look THAT bad (read: not quite so 80's dinner theatre metal) > > Lastly, everyone interested in the possibilities inherent in random instrumentation should check out the Beck-flavored tour de force known as Self's new album > "Gizmodgery" > > http://www.spongebathrec.com/ > > - The album is done entirely using Toy Instruments (Muppet Show Drums, Pianosaurus, Plastic Guitars, Sears Student Bass, Doll Voice Boxes, Speak and Spells, Micro Jammer Drum Machines, and so on)!! You'd think it would sound lo fi, but with the aid of samplers, studio tricks, and a lot of love, the instrumentation is only Overtly noticeable when it is meant to be . . . If you didn't tell someone what it took to make it, most people wouldn't know, with the occasional Cindy Speaks samples and cheasy "drum fill" button solos aside. Kind of makes you wish you hadn't speant $3600 on your custom made Koa guitar with active electronics and midi pickups, doesn't it? . . . . > > Love, > > Aaroneous > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 19:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15834; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:18:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping logic Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:16:47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2001 00:16:47.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FE1D6B0:01C087F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis said, Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17384; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:59:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:59:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A721D39.3A2F6DD@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:58:33 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: double neck guitar and bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else had a Guit-bass or something similar, > what they prefer to have on top or bottom, what kinds they have, and the like! I have an original 1975 Ibanez 2404. It's an SG version with a bass (very similar to the Gibson short scale of that period) on top and 6 string with two humbuckers below. VERY playable and sounds great. I also play bass and guitar and have to admit I got this more for it's showmanship in my space rock band as well as the fact that I just plain wanted this exact guitar for years and years. practically bass/guitar doublenecks raise some problems such as: 1. You need to find the right amp. A bass amp is usually the default but this severely limits the guitar tone. if you use a small guitar amp or the wrong speaker, the bass will blow the speaker and you have to start over again. I'm still looking for the right one but currently go through a Roland Bolt 60. I'll probably have to change the speaker sometime. 2. VAST difference in volume levels on the necks and pickups. I had mine professionally set-up right after buying it and noticed that no matter what we did the bass solo was one level, the guitar solo was another, and if I flipped them both on the same time on the tri-position everything went level haywire and some pickup combinations (on both necks) were softer while others were louder. You don't just flip a switch and jam with this thing so a good compressor is an absolute must. I've experimented a bit and ended up getting (and loving) the Tech21 Bass Compactor. It's the PERFECT stompbox solution for the varying levels and combinations this thing puts out. Loopingwise I haven't done anything with this yet. The levels on my EDP are so damn finicky as it is it's hard to get it to cooperate. I do enjoy playing rhythm guitar and then doing the solo on the bass neck though :) > Also, I thought you all should check this out: http://www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=189 I've been looking for the 2404 for about 3-4 years and would have gladly bought anything else that came my way but I simply could not find a bass/guitar doubleneck anywhere and when they would show up they were third generation knockoffs and poorly made and VINTAGE!!! prices. If I didn't come accross the one I have I would consider buying the above Spirit/Steinberegr in a flash. $500 is extremely reasonable for such a creature. I've noticed in the past few months a few have showed up on ebay both well known and copy company instruments. The copies are selling dirt cheap IMO for some reason. I guess now it's just out of fashion to like 70's style prog rock instruments. So much the better for those that like them. Any day of the week some of these $5-700 guitars would easily sell for $800-1000 from NYC dealers if they had a chance. The Ibanez I own is a very collectable piece but for some reason it's slipping through the cracks on ebay. that said I've seen people ask $700+ for poor condition Aria Bass/guitar doublenecks and get it. As with everything i guess it's a matter of luck and timing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 26 20:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18220; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7223B2.B71029C2@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:26:10 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping logic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahh, the crux of the bisquet. I am not so eloquent, however this moved me to say *yes*. A tree falling still vibrates the air, rain still would make the same vibrations which we declare as *sounds*, it is up to us as to how we perceive them. Looping and music in general say so much about the human spirit and our perception of reality. I recently downloaded mp3s of elephants that were given instruments and some direction, amazing, imo. They were improvising! If anyone has that link, please send it as if I seem to have lost it. I am searching my history. peace, jd Robert Eberwein wrote: > Dennis said, > > It sounds like a minor point, but it isn't. In removing the notion of > original *will* you leave only yourself to replace it. You ain't the unmoved > mover. You make music when you make music. You don't make music when you > decide to perceive something pre-existing as music. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 01:24:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27138; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:20:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:20:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010127012105.007b7290@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:21:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: double neck guitar and bass In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:29 PM 1/26/01 EST, Aaroneous wrote: >Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else had a Guit-bass or something similar, what they prefer to have on top or bottom, what kinds they have, and the like! I use a Carvin doubleneck on which the bottom (6 string guitar) half has been left stock while the top half has been converted into an extra-short-scale fretless bass. It's really a strange animal; the scale length (only about 26 1/2") makes intonation very different from my "regular" fretless Jazz Bass, and since I left the humbuckers in, it distorts a lot like Jack Bruce. On the other hand, the short scale length makes certain voicings that would be difficult or impossible on a long-scale bass quite easy, and it sounds great pitchshifted/harmonized. It has stereo outs, although I use it mono so both halves can go through my pedalboard and switch between amps (a 1960 Gibson Ranger and either a 1969 Sunn 200S or a '71 Marshall [which isn't feeling too well right now] through a 4x12") after the effects. I really wish the body was chambered, though, because it's solid maple and weighs a ton. The obvious advantage for looping with such an instrument is that you can lay down a part on one neck and immediately play over the loop on the other one. The disadvantage is that it's a bit unwieldy and is very heavy. I still end up switching between "regular" guitars and basses due to the sheer weight of the Carvin, and usually end up listing to port by the end of the session anyway. At least it's not as neck-heavy as it was with the 12 string neck... I made the conversion fully reversable since this was really a prototype for something I'd like to do involving my Steinberger Spirit and a Kramer Duke. I put a Fender bass bridge on using the same screw holes that the Carvin 12's tailpiece mounted on, so any time I want to put the 12 string neck, bridge and tailpiece back on, it'll be pretty simple. Oh, and as for the way the Steiny looks; yeah, it's dorky alright, but there's a decided advantage for loopers who also play keyboards or spend any time with both hands tweaking knobs; a small, compact, headless guitar is much less likely to wipe out your mic stand or smash into the keyboard when your hands are off it. :-) Tim ps: Danelectro makes a 6 string/baritone doubleneck that's pretty affordable; have any of you tried it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 03:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00343; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011f01c08bc9$3bf6eee0$5a81e3a5@poo> References: <200101261540.KAA28744@hemlock.violacea.com> <011f01c08bc9$3bf6eee0$5a81e3a5@poo> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:05:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi, California Cc: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Also, you said: >"But since I have no idea what the music was like, I better shut up >and come arround to see. >I REALLY wonder.... >Do you think there could be a festival that buys a plain ticket from >Brasil for me and my guitar?" > >Even with the theater, sound system, and artists being free, I still lost >about $30 out of my own pocket for the posters (but I sold 2 $10/CDs and one >person 'donated' $5 so I ended up pretty close to even). brilliant! >Long story, short: we can't bring you up here (except to play your CD in >between acts which I would be more than happy to do) oh, thats nice... or we just wait until the visit becomes possible! >but I would encourage >you to seek out fellow loopers in Brazil (there must be some others) >and throw the first Brazilian Looping Festival. Right. Problem is that no loopers have been distributed here and I did not get any from Gibson to sell and its pretty expensive for people here. So, no, there are not many... yet. I also hope it will become possible. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 03:00:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32432; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A71CDDD.14AA1D02@zerocrossing.net> References: <001b01c086f4$27c46b20$66a5e0d5@pandora.be> <3A71CDDD.14AA1D02@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:05:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I totally agree. I almost can't believe that a company like Roland would >forget a very important feature like this one. Also, NO FADE? What the hell >are they thinking? Digital fade is not that simple. Thats why the older digital delays have analog feedback which is not ideal for looping. >If anyone from Roland is on this list: Do what ever it >takes to add midi synch and a fade to your unit, and you'll open it up to many >more customers. (like me!) I doubt they would come down to us :-) The problem about MIDI is not so much the connector but that it calls a measure parameter and IN and OUT and a parameter to switch Slave-Master... If you could have just one MIDI connector with clock: Would you want IN or OUT? What measure? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 03:05:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00340; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:05:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: good intentions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like these philosophical threads. Its not off topic because looping is based on the cosmic rules we are trying to understand here. It may be overthetopic maybe... Music is intentional noise, is that what you are saying, Robert? I like that. Its somehow obvious but still new to me. How would we differenciate speach from this? Do animals have intentions? I think so. But I would not consider their noises music, would you? Or is it that just some species have the ability? Is that where the *good* intention comes in? Is barking a bad intention and calling a partner a good one? Still, *good* is difficult... So there are no bad intended musicians, they would be noise makers. Could you name examples? Any music is constructive/benevolent/harmonic/cooperative? I also like Dennis reasoning that the intention of the listener is important. But I cannot agree that music only exists if there is a listener... Maybe we could agree that any intention (of the player or listener) is enough to turn noise into music? >>>They know that banging someone with a >>> pipe doesn't become music until you add good intention. >> >Crossover [among others] asks, >>What constitutes "good" intention? > >Okay. > >The thread began with the assertion that all is perception [what >they meant-btw- was *all is perspective*- which is *true*]. It was >hinted that there is no *good* nor *bad*, but thinking makes it so. > >I wanted to play on how *perception* actually works. We *hear* what >we *attend* to--- well, actually, we hear all kinds of things, but >that which we *intentionally* hear is different [we all have >opinions and ideas about this, whether biological, philosophical or >spiritual]. Someone had said that music was *just vibrations of >atoms*. I wanted to suggest that that is about as close as saying, >*an airplane crash is just material, reshaping*. Not if your wife >was on there. And from who's perspective is it *just* re-shaping >material??? > >So... My point [ahem. need coffee]: If, while beating someone with a >pipe, there happen to be noises [vibrations]- - - that doesn't make >it music. If you [or a bystander] notice that the thuds and pops >have a rhythmic quality- - - that still isn't music. But if you >begin to modify your approach, in order to enhance the musical >qualities: then, it's music. Your *intention* had to change [your >perception and perspective can stay the same]. Further, you had to >have a *constructive* [a wish to build, etc] intention. > >[I regret the metaphor. It's one of those, best not elaborated on] > >One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. You can >program a computer [intention]. You can throw bricks at pianos. But >no one ever made music by accident. Not once. At some point the >intention was there. Not only must you have the *intention* to make >music, but it must be constructive/benevolent[with the aim to >communicate with as little static as possible]/harmonic [by any >definition]/cooperative [of the elements/creator/listener]: in other >words: *Good* *Intended*...[as opposed to >chaos/noise/pain/damage/rendering auseinander]. > >Of course this brings into question what makes apperception >different from perception--- what makes attention different from >intention, etc. > >Even I am [almost] smart enough to know that this isn't the place to >speculate further... > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 04:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04198; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:13:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010127091205.14565.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:12:05 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Subject: EDP sync and Z. Vex´s Seek Wah... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have a Seek Wah and I´m planning to buy an EDP, Z. Vex has some info on his site about a Seek Wah modification that allows clock control via clock pulses like the clock pulse output on the 303 drum machine, Does the EDP´s "beat sync" outputs a clock pulse like the one on the 303?, Has anybody tried to sync those 2 units?. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 04:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04543; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:21:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010127092036.15036.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Subject: EDP availability... To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is Alto Music the only place who sells the EDP?, does someone has a better price than Alto?: 700 + 110 of the footswitch. Is there a EDP group buy for Alto so I can have a better offer?. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 05:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07757; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:35:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:35:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Message-ID: <59.617862c.27a3fe29@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:34:17 EST Subject: double neck plug in To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of plug in is that Aaroneous? I,m game but would like to know what Dr Net is first. fellow loop addict, jeff *** Huh??????? **** AaroneousAG@aol.com wrote: > Hey Loop-Addicts! > > I just ordered my very first Doubleneck Guitar and bass!! It's an SG style 1976 Starfield with the Bass at the top. I started out playing bass, then moved to guitar later, so this reflects my preferences as well as how high I generally hang each instrument . . . I can't wait, because instrument switching has been my one hang up with looping . . . It's cool to jump to keys after laying a guitar line (just letting the guitar hang there Springsteen style), but taking off a guitar and strapping on a bass has always been a distracting time waster . . . I had an upright bass set upright to jump onto, but those don't sound so good when going into a digital loop praser (they need a preamp of some kind before going in) and it's huge and impractical . . . Now, I can lay a bass line, then guitar, then keys, then lead, then scratch, when the bass starts to fade, do a funkier bass, then solo, then bang stuff, squeeze rubber duckies, or make armpit farts into the mike (try it!) . . ! . ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 06:33:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10749; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:32:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:32:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c08855$6f565360$f4936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3A721267.34FFD999@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: double neck guitar and bass Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:02:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have an original Steinberger. Same body style, but with a real transtrem and Active EMGs. Bass too, but with a slightly different body style and a drop D tuner. > What's a drop D tuner ? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 09:27:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17916; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:24:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A72DA29.933D828B@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:24:41 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP sample dump References: <200101261540.KAA28745@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. Based on your advice, I'm throwing in the towel on this feature. You're right, a transfer time of between 60 and 90 times real-time is useless. Given that you feel this feature is a "throwaway", why don't you simply remove it from the feature set and reassign the code memory and front-panel buttons to some new, more useful feature :) Elby > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Need a hand with EDP sample dump > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:22:28 -0800 > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > At 12:34 PM -0800 1/21/01, Mountain Man wrote: > >I'm trying to get the EDP to dump sysex data to cakewalk, and also > >trying to understand the dump process. I could use a helping hand :) > >I have a very cakewalk-specific "how to" question, and then a couple of > >more general EDP questions. > > > >I'm getting the sysex data on my PC, in fact I can monitor it using > >Midi-OX. It's coming in 127 byte "chunks" . I have sysex turned on in > >Cakewalk, with them max number of buffers set (128). Also have midi > >echo turned off (stumbled over that one for a while! lol) Cakewalk is > >definitely seeing the EDP, I can record continuous controller messages > >45 and 46 (some sort of loop timing info?). When I try to record sysex, > >(either by using from the sysex view, or > >simply by hitting "record" in the track view), however, I don't see any > >data arriving. I have no trouble recording sysex from other devices > >using the same procedure. Is there something different about the EDP > >messages or communication that might be causing me a problem? > > Hard to say what is wrong. We just implemented the midi sample dump spec. > The problem is that most manufacturers implemented it slightly differently, > or have bugs. So it is not much of a standard. Since nobody seriously ever > uses midi sample dump, nobody puts much effort into fixing these things. > (including us, to be honest.) We got it to work with a variety of devices > and programs that we had available at the time, by doing necessay changes > and workarounds in the software for their implementations. We apparently > didn't have a copy of cakewalk then..... > > > > >I've been finding the display on the EDP when dumping data confusing. > >the manual says that the numbers will show the percentage of dump > >completed. What I'm seeing is a rapid cycling of numbers from 0 to 127, > >with a "d" in two different positions toggling back and forth (but not > >syncronized with the numbers). I have no idea what this is telling me. > > > >Also, the manual says to expect that transmission time will be 10 to 15 > >times the length of the current loop. This makes sense to me. I > >recorded a 2 second loop and timed the dump. It took 3 minutes. That's > >90 times the length. At this speed, a 20 second loop will take > >half-an-hour to transfer. Is my EDP working properly? > > the slow transfer rate you are seeing is actually normal for midi sample > dump. this has nothing to do with the echoplex, sample dump is very very > slow. I've generally seen it to be around 85-90 times longer without any > handshaking (open loop), maybe 60-70 times with it (closed loop). I've > explained all of this before: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199702/msg00128.html > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199702/msg00129.html > > or here, search for it all: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=echoplex%3B > dump&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.c > gifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles > > Frankly, you a better off not bothering with sample dump, because it is a > piece of junk. Record the audio directly to your pc. Then use a sequencer > to load it back into the echoplex by having the sequencer tap record, play > the audio, and end record. The audio fidelity won't be perfect, but the > transfer rate will be 1x the sample length. And the first time it is played > from the sequencer you could be listening to it, so you could say it is > even faster! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 09:32:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18317; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:31:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:31:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A72DBD5.3F3683F3@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:31:49 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: conceptions of time References: <200101261540.KAA28745@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7fAs_B.A.sdE.Nutc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: conceptions of time > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:42:10 -0600 (CST) > From: spaceloop > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: > > > It would be cool to start a little thread on how we concieve of time in our > > looping efforts. As someone brand new to looping, I find it fascinating what's happening to my timing without the presence of the metronome that I use when I'm doing midi recording. My playing seems to getting much more freeform. Twice within the last week I recorded loops that after-the-fact I discovered were in 7/4 time. I'm usually a very 3/4, 4/4 type (once in a great while, 5/4 or even 11/8 ). It's very cool to find that looping hardware is leading me down new musical paths :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 10:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19638; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:06:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:06:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.142.200.249] From: "Ritchie" To: Subject: OT: Digitech 2120 and quick introduction. Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:05:55 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2001 15:05:05.0845 (UTC) FILETIME=[88299650:01C08872] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there all, I'm relatively new to the list but have always been a visitor to Loopers Delight over the years as I love the art of sound creation, processing and programming. As my main instrument being guitar and bass, I've accumulated lots of goodies over the years including the Lexicon Vortex, Digitech 2101 and the 2120 plus lots of other synths, stomp boxes and midi toys. I've played in a fair few bands, two of which might interest some members. One being Chimera #9 which was a trio with myself on guitar/midi guitar (no sounds on site yet) and the other being my solo act called r.domain where I play electronic based music with bass being the main instrument. For those interested, have a listen at www.mp3.com/rdomain but............. enough crap about me. :) Quick question for those on the list who own the Digitech 2120 (and esp the ones who have owned or still own both). How is it possible to get 10 banks of 10 on the 2120 (the same as the 2101) instead of having 20 banks of 5 which I think is pretty lame and has stopped me from getting furthur into my 2120. If anyone could answer this, It'd be much appreceiated. Thanks, Ritchie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 16:21:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32321; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:18:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.81] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good intentions [LAST time- unless provoked] Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:16:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2001 21:16:11.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F7BC730:01C088A6] Resent-Message-ID: <94OxTB.A.M4H.4qzc6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias said, Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03736; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c088b5$dabdbde0$858ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101270914.EAA04293@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:06:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2TpczB.A.A6.XW1c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: Do animals have intentions? I think so. But I would not consider their noises music, would you? Or is it that just some species have the ability? Rick Walker replies: Interestingly enough, I have just read an article in the science section of the San Jose Mercury (which is actually a pretty informative lay science resource) where some modern biologists and zooologists (jeez: are there three 'o's in zoologist?) are beginning to think that there are actually several species of animals who they think are actually making 'music' as opposed to direct communication. I threw the article out but they mentioned whales and dolphins and some species of birds. and to bring back to topic (looping that is), Several years ago during the summer cricket season I was on my porch late at night, just thinking, and listening to the 'song' of the crickets. I love when random events sometimes sound like funky syncopated patterns (like listening to a sample and hold function on an analogue synthesizer, something I used to do to get inspiration for funk patterns). Anyway, the crickets were really going at it and in a seemingly random way. All of a sudden they coalesced into this really funky sequence which then fell apart after about five seconds or so. It caught my attention because I had not really been listening to it. Anyway, I went back to musing again and a couple of minutes later I heard the same damn syncopate sequence, 'note' for 'note'. At this point I started listening intently and sure enough, the same sequence occurred a couple of minutes later. At this point I started listening for other rhythmic sequences and began to notice them. Sure enough I started hearing an emerging pattern that was repeating perfectly every 2 minutes or so. At this point using the random '16th notes' of the first pattern I tried to see if I could figure out the periodicity of the pattern. It took me about half an hour but I finally figured out that the crickets were in a perfectly predictable and very, very slow 19/4 time signature. I was so blown away by this randomness that I sat out there for two more hours until I had completely memorized the sequence of perfectly repeating multiple cricket clicks. I was astonished and I have never incountered anything similar in the ensuing years. The only other experience that I have had is that (and this repeats every summer at about the same time) there is a large and long shrub tree in the front of my brothers' home. Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the shrub (which is about 15 feet long) Each group chirps in unison but the speed of the chirp is just slightly off. What happens is that when you stand in the very middle of the shrub, you hear the two repeating chirp patterns cycle away from each other and cycle back (as in two loops with slightly random speeds) the amazing thing is that when the two patterns overlap, psycho acoustically it sounds like the crickets are right in front of your face in dry 'mono'. As they start to go out of phase, it suddenly sounds like a beautiful ambient reverb has been applied to the chirping until finally you start to hear the two sides as separate chirps. Then you can hear then pass the equidistant point (perfect 8ths notes for 5 or 6 repitions and then move to the percieved 'shuffled' beat at 67%, then the last 16th note at 75% and finally into flamming and then tight flamming before they sync up again. It is a beautiful and peaceful phenomenon that I look forward to every year. Loops out of sync. I dont' have an ounce of anthropomorphism in me (it having been beaten out of me by my skeptical, cartesian logic medical doctor father) so i don't think any of these things were intentional. They weren't making music but they sure as hell were looping. I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly different speeds and let them interact. A fun trick is to set the Windows Media Player (or Mac equivalent) on repeat mode and open up several different drum or transient sounds at once and let them cycle in and out with each other. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 18:38:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04609; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:36:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:36:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <43.fe0b26f.27a4b51b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:34:51 EST Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_43.fe0b26f.27a4b51b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_43.fe0b26f.27a4b51b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/01 6:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the > shrub.....ETC. > rick....all of the talk earlier about sense of community, where other than LD could you post your last delightful missive and be asured that it was being enjoyed and understood.....what fun!.....michael --part1_43.fe0b26f.27a4b51b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/01 6:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the
shrub.....ETC.


rick....all of the talk earlier about sense of community, where other than LD
could you post your last delightful missive and be asured that it was being
enjoyed and understood.....what fun!.....michael --part1_43.fe0b26f.27a4b51b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 19:13:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06084; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010128001042.23725.qmail@web5102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Subject: Re: OT: Digitech 2120 and quick introduction. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the easiest way to do what you want is to simply in play mode select with the data wheel the patch you want to assign to a footpedal and simply hit the "assign" button on the front panel and then tap the footswitch in which you want that patch to be, do that until you complete the bank with 10 patches assigned to it, I used to own a 2101 and I don´t know if in the 2120 (a friend owns one) you can assign all the patches to banks from the utility menu like on the 2101 but I think it´s easier in the way I explained before. --- Ritchie wrote: > Hi there all, > > I'm relatively new to the list but have always been > a visitor to Loopers > Delight over the years as I love the art of sound > creation, processing and > programming. As my main instrument being guitar > and bass, I've accumulated > lots of goodies over the years including the Lexicon > Vortex, Digitech 2101 > and the 2120 plus lots of other synths, stomp boxes > and midi toys. I've > played in a fair few bands, two of which might > interest some members. One > being Chimera #9 which was a trio with myself on > guitar/midi guitar (no > sounds on site yet) and the other being my solo act > called r.domain where I > play electronic based music with bass being the main > instrument. For those > interested, have a listen at www.mp3.com/rdomain > but............. > enough crap about me. :) > > Quick question for those on the list who own the > Digitech 2120 (and esp the > ones who have owned or still own both). How is it > possible to get 10 banks > of 10 on the 2120 (the same as the 2101) instead of > having 20 banks of 5 > which I think is pretty lame and has stopped me from > getting furthur into my > 2120. If anyone could answer this, It'd be much > appreceiated. > > Thanks, > Ritchie. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 19:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06150; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:13:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:13:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010128001214.5867.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:12:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Subject: Re: OT: Digitech 2120 and quick introduction. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5s4gQ.A.0fB.cP2c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the easiest way to do what you want is to simply in play mode select with the data wheel the patch you want to assign to a footpedal and simply hit the "assign" button on the front panel and then tap the footswitch in which you want that patch to be, do that until you complete the bank with 10 patches assigned to it, I used to own a 2101 and I don´t know if in the 2120 (a friend owns one) you can assign all the patches to banks from the utility menu like on the 2101 but I think it´s easier in the way I explained it before. --- Ritchie wrote: > Hi there all, > > I'm relatively new to the list but have always been > a visitor to Loopers > Delight over the years as I love the art of sound > creation, processing and > programming. As my main instrument being guitar > and bass, I've accumulated > lots of goodies over the years including the Lexicon > Vortex, Digitech 2101 > and the 2120 plus lots of other synths, stomp boxes > and midi toys. I've > played in a fair few bands, two of which might > interest some members. One > being Chimera #9 which was a trio with myself on > guitar/midi guitar (no > sounds on site yet) and the other being my solo act > called r.domain where I > play electronic based music with bass being the main > instrument. For those > interested, have a listen at www.mp3.com/rdomain > but............. > enough crap about me. :) > > Quick question for those on the list who own the > Digitech 2120 (and esp the > ones who have owned or still own both). How is it > possible to get 10 banks > of 10 on the 2120 (the same as the 2101) instead of > having 20 banks of 5 > which I think is pretty lame and has stopped me from > getting furthur into my > 2120. If anyone could answer this, It'd be much > appreceiated. > > Thanks, > Ritchie. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 19:31:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06712; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7369CF.64B22E4F@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:37:51 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions [LAST time- unless provoked] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > ...Like I said, I can beat a log with my ax handle to secure the head on it. > That’s an intention. But when I notice the different tones [pitch > variations] in the soft and hard pulp, the hollow and solid parts, and I > begin to bang in a certain way to hear those variations, then I called that > a *good* intention. But really, I only meant *good* as a catch-all word to > catch all the possible *constructive* qualifiers of *intention*. And my > desire [ahem: intention/wish/aim/purpose/will] was to suggest that it is > silly to pretend that *good* and *bad* are only relative constructs. maybe silly to insist, but pretend? i don't know... > We all > know better, you give us too much credit :-) > but we’ve broken it all down too far. Simply to use the word > *good* is to get 10 responses informing me that *good* doesn’t exist. calling *good* a relative term does not imply that *good* doesn't exist. yet shades of grey exist, are not imaginary...one can still have black and white (or many blacks and whites) with grey. eventually a black or white (or good or bad) becomes a grey (or indifferent), but perhaps at a different point for you than for me. we don't need to have an absolute "black" for us to agree something is black (very likely it is not, has some contamination of its opposite within...). this does not seem silly. it seems like a pretty good description of the world. > Okay. Good. > > <*What would bad intentions sound like*? uh, barry manilow? (sorry!). > > By my [last post’s] definition, that would just mean that someone had *no > good intentions*. One couldn’t *plan* to have bad intentions, by that > definition—because the planning is what shifts it to a good intention; or: > one can’t *plan* not to use his plan. > The word, *desire* could have easily replaced *good intention*- because it’s > an intention with an positive aim [*positive*, as in, *acquiring or creating > something that was not yet acquired/created]. i think one way to define *intention* that gets rid of the *good/bad* dichotomy is to differentiate if something has a *musical* intent. this gets rid of a value aside from that which is most germane. > > Obviously I’m in danger of again reducing it too far. One would never talk > about making music with *bad intentions*. But it’s fun. What is intentional > chaos??? [It’s not chaos anymore, right?]. > > [NWA, Atonal, Serial, Industrial Musik. There. I mentioned them first] > > > > I wouldn’t say that Dennis’s wind-chimes aren’t music to him. My children’s > laughter is music to me. But I do not forget that those are metaphors. It's > poetic comparison. It's NOT composing music with our ears and brain. robert, i think i agree with what you seem to be saying, that music exists only if there is musical intent (and perhaps if only on the part of the creator), but it would then seem to follow that wind chimes and children's laughter are separate issues. children (usually) laugh because they react to something funny, not so much because they wish to bring "music to our ears". but if we agree the idea of intention is central to making music, why wouldn't wind chimes be considered music? one could set up a device which has certain sonic characteristics, activated by a natural force, and possibly randomized by the same force. the intention (of the person who makes the device) is to create a sonic event. the creators' *ears and brain* were more than likely involved; there is clearly intent. i have a rather beautiful album from the early seventies called _the wind harp_. it consists of various recordings of a rather large sound sculpture built on a windy hill (somewhere in scandinavia, i think...). i think many among us would consider it music. lance g. ps sorry for the provocation :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 19:55:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07504; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:53:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08891.B7EEF460.Rynolee@mindspring.com> From: Ryan Reply-To: "Rynolee@mindspring.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:48:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About other animals making music... Pink Floyd made this song on their Double Album entitled Ummagumma (check the spelling on that) and Roger Waters put this song together called Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict give it a listen and that will answer any question ryan -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) [SMTP:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 5:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Matthias wrote: Do animals have intentions? I think so. But I would not consider their noises music, would you? Or is it that just some species have the ability? Rick Walker replies: Interestingly enough, I have just read an article in the science section of the San Jose Mercury (which is actually a pretty informative lay science resource) where some modern biologists and zooologists (jeez: are there three 'o's in zoologist?) are beginning to think that there are actually several species of animals who they think are actually making 'music' as opposed to direct communication. I threw the article out but they mentioned whales and dolphins and some species of birds. and to bring back to topic (looping that is), Several years ago during the summer cricket season I was on my porch late at night, just thinking, and listening to the 'song' of the crickets. I love when random events sometimes sound like funky syncopated patterns (like listening to a sample and hold function on an analogue synthesizer, something I used to do to get inspiration for funk patterns). Anyway, the crickets were really going at it and in a seemingly random way. All of a sudden they coalesced into this really funky sequence which then fell apart after about five seconds or so. It caught my attention because I had not really been listening to it. Anyway, I went back to musing again and a couple of minutes later I heard the same damn syncopate sequence, 'note' for 'note'. At this point I started listening intently and sure enough, the same sequence occurred a couple of minutes later. At this point I started listening for other rhythmic sequences and began to notice them. Sure enough I started hearing an emerging pattern that was repeating perfectly every 2 minutes or so. At this point using the random '16th notes' of the first pattern I tried to see if I could figure out the periodicity of the pattern. It took me about half an hour but I finally figured out that the crickets were in a perfectly predictable and very, very slow 19/4 time signature. I was so blown away by this randomness that I sat out there for two more hours until I had completely memorized the sequence of perfectly repeating multiple cricket clicks. I was astonished and I have never incountered anything similar in the ensuing years. The only other experience that I have had is that (and this repeats every summer at about the same time) there is a large and long shrub tree in the front of my brothers' home. Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the shrub (which is about 15 feet long) Each group chirps in unison but the speed of the chirp is just slightly off. What happens is that when you stand in the very middle of the shrub, you hear the two repeating chirp patterns cycle away from each other and cycle back (as in two loops with slightly random speeds) the amazing thing is that when the two patterns overlap, psycho acoustically it sounds like the crickets are right in front of your face in dry 'mono'. As they start to go out of phase, it suddenly sounds like a beautiful ambient reverb has been applied to the chirping until finally you start to hear the two sides as separate chirps. Then you can hear then pass the equidistant point (perfect 8ths notes for 5 or 6 repitions and then move to the percieved 'shuffled' beat at 67%, then the last 16th note at 75% and finally into flamming and then tight flamming before they sync up again. It is a beautiful and peaceful phenomenon that I look forward to every year. Loops out of sync. I dont' have an ounce of anthropomorphism in me (it having been beaten out of me by my skeptical, cartesian logic medical doctor father) so i don't think any of these things were intentional. They weren't making music but they sure as hell were looping. I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly different speeds and let them interact. A fun trick is to set the Windows Media Player (or Mac equivalent) on repeat mode and open up several different drum or transient sounds at once and let them cycle in and out with each other. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 20:43:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09089; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:41:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A74CB87.7C27BFD0@mind.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:46:46 -0800 From: shara X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bring me up to speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_2ryB.A.jNC.bi3c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I am new to the looping concept. I heard a great vocal performance using the JamMan on stage -- the building of an improv accompaniment and then his vocal over that. It got me thinking about my own vocal style and how much fun it would be to sound-style this way. two questions now, more later: 1. Where can I get a used JamMan or something comparable in length of loop and number of tracks? Is there a post for used equip? 2. What peripheral equipment do I need with it? I have a Fender 4-channel PA and mic. What else do I need? I lied, there are 4 questions there.....Have patience with me.........I am a neophyte. Shara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 21:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10350; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:05:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bring me up to speed Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:04:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2001 02:04:14.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CEA86B0:01C088CE] Resent-Message-ID: <9dEbUD.A.OhC.643c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would suggest that you take a look at the Loopers Delight web sight and check out "Tools of the Trade" The Jamman is not the only thing out there, although it is one of my pesonal favorites. On that part of the sight you'll find specs to all the machines as well as some very good reviews by members of this list. As for shopping for these things, you can check out most of the online auction sites, and occasionally there are posts on this list! As for what else you need, that all depends on just how crazy you wanna get. But it seems to me you already have enough to get started. Good Luck, Pete. > >1. Where can I get a used JamMan or something comparable in length >of loop and number of tracks? Is there a post for used equip? > >2. What peripheral equipment do I need with it? I have a Fender >4-channel PA and mic. What else do I need? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 21:26:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10782; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:25:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:25:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <39.fe0a489.27a4dcc7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:24:07 EST Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 1/27/01 4:12:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: << cartesian logic medical doctor father >> Ah my favorite late 50's TV show...... b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 22:03:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11937; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <388847926.980650863822.JavaMail.root@web193-wra> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:01:03 -0500 (EST) From: Denis Aldrich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: double neck bass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 209.163.54.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is my first post on this list as a poster from the harp-l. I just got the Danelectro baritone / 6 double neck. I am having the nut replaced with one from the 6 string bass model. So I can place a string set on from their 6 string bass. I imagine I'll have some level problems that I will solve by rewiring the volume controls. I look forward to the 6 string bass with 6 string guitar. With the same tunings, but an octave apart I hope to have a lot of sonic range. Reed My Lips (Save The Wail) Denis Aldrich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 23:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15387; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:41:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:41:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.142.200.246] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <01C08891.B7EEF460.Rynolee@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:28:23 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2001 04:39:43.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[55B2DC00:01C088E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, that has been a favourite of mine for many years. There is also a track by a lesser known band called Stump. Theres a track on their 1988 album 'A fierce Pancake' called Charlton Heston where they use all these frog sounds to generate the bed rhythm and it sounds great! Ritchie http://www.mp3.com/rdomain ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: RE: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature > About other animals making music... > > Pink Floyd made this song on their Double Album entitled Ummagumma > (check the spelling on that) and Roger Waters put this song together > called Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave > And Grooving With A Pict > > give it a listen and that will answer any question > > ryan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) [SMTP:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 5:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature > > Matthias wrote: > Do animals have intentions? I think so. But I would not consider > their noises music, would you? Or is it that just some species have > the ability? > > Rick Walker replies: > Interestingly enough, I have just read an article in the science > section > of the San Jose Mercury (which is actually a pretty informative lay science > resource) where some modern biologists and zooologists (jeez: are there > three 'o's in zoologist?) are beginning to think that there are actually > several species of animals who they think are actually making 'music' as > opposed to direct communication. I threw the article out but they > mentioned whales and dolphins and some species of birds. > > and to bring back to topic (looping that is), > Several years ago during the summer cricket season I was on my porch > late at night, just thinking, and listening to the 'song' of the crickets. > I love when random events sometimes sound like funky syncopated patterns > (like listening to a sample and hold function on an analogue synthesizer, > something I used to do to get inspiration for funk patterns). Anyway, > the crickets were really going at it and in a seemingly random way. All > of a sudden they coalesced into this really funky sequence which then fell > apart after about five seconds or so. It caught my attention because I > had > not really been listening to it. Anyway, I went back to musing again and > a > couple of minutes later I heard the same damn syncopate sequence, 'note' > for > 'note'. At this point I started listening intently and sure enough, the > same sequence occurred a couple of minutes later. At this point I started > listening for other rhythmic sequences and began to notice them. Sure > enough I started hearing an emerging pattern that was repeating perfectly > every 2 minutes or so. At this point using the random '16th notes' of the > first pattern I tried to see if I could figure out the periodicity of the > pattern. It took me about half an hour but I finally figured out that the > crickets were in a perfectly predictable and very, very slow 19/4 time > signature. I was so blown away by this randomness that I sat out there > for > two more hours until I had completely memorized the sequence of perfectly > repeating multiple cricket clicks. I was astonished and I have never > incountered anything similar in the ensuing years. > > The only other experience that I have had is that (and this repeats > every summer at about the same time) there is a large and long shrub tree > in > the front of my brothers' home. > Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the shrub > (which is about 15 feet long) Each group > chirps in unison but the speed of the chirp is just slightly off. What > happens is that when you stand in the > very middle of the shrub, you hear the two repeating chirp patterns cycle > away from each other and cycle back > (as in two loops with slightly random speeds) the amazing thing is that > when > the two patterns overlap, psycho acoustically it sounds like the crickets > are right in front of your face in dry 'mono'. As they start to go out of > phase, it suddenly sounds like a beautiful ambient reverb has been applied > to the chirping until finally you start to hear the two sides as separate > chirps. Then you can hear then pass the equidistant point (perfect 8ths > notes for 5 or 6 repitions and then move to the percieved 'shuffled' beat > at > 67%, then the last 16th note at 75% and finally into flamming and then > tight > flamming before they sync up again. It is a beautiful and peaceful > phenomenon that I look forward to every year. Loops out of sync. > > I dont' have an ounce of anthropomorphism in me (it having been beaten > out of me by my skeptical, cartesian logic medical doctor father) so i > don't > think any of these things were intentional. They weren't making music but > they sure as hell were looping. > > I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our > perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly > different speeds and let them interact. A fun trick is to set the Windows > Media Player (or Mac equivalent) on repeat mode and open up several > different drum or transient sounds at once and let them cycle in and out > with each other. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 23:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15391; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.142.200.246] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <20010128001214.5867.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Digitech 2120 and quick introduction. Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:30:28 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2001 04:40:49.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CE3D180:01C088E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks a heap for the reply. I'll give that a shot and let you know how I go. Cheers, Ritchie ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: OT: Digitech 2120 and quick introduction. Hi, the easiest way to do what you want is to simply in play mode select with the data wheel the patch you want to assign to a footpedal and simply hit the "assign" button on the front panel and then tap the footswitch in which you want that patch to be, do that until you complete the bank with 10 patches assigned to it, I used to own a 2101 and I don´t know if in the 2120 (a friend owns one) you can assign all the patches to banks from the utility menu like on the 2101 but I think it´s easier in the way I explained it before. --- Ritchie wrote: > Hi there all, > > I'm relatively new to the list but have always been > a visitor to Loopers > Delight over the years as I love the art of sound > creation, processing and > programming. As my main instrument being guitar > and bass, I've accumulated > lots of goodies over the years including the Lexicon > Vortex, Digitech 2101 > and the 2120 plus lots of other synths, stomp boxes > and midi toys. I've > played in a fair few bands, two of which might > interest some members. One > being Chimera #9 which was a trio with myself on > guitar/midi guitar (no > sounds on site yet) and the other being my solo act > called r.domain where I > play electronic based music with bass being the main > instrument. For those > interested, have a listen at www.mp3.com/rdomain > but............. > enough crap about me. :) > > Quick question for those on the list who own the > Digitech 2120 (and esp the > ones who have owned or still own both). How is it > possible to get 10 banks > of 10 on the 2120 (the same as the 2101) instead of > having 20 banks of 5 > which I think is pretty lame and has stopped me from > getting furthur into my > 2120. If anyone could answer this, It'd be much > appreceiated. > > Thanks, > Ritchie. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 23:55:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15950; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:54:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:54:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:57:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Resent-Message-ID: <-WAlK.A.T4D.5W6c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our >perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly >different speeds and let them interact. A fun trick is to set the Windows >Media Player (or Mac equivalent) on repeat mode and open up several >different drum or transient sounds at once and let them cycle in and out >with each other. One technique I like is to MIDI sync the JamMan to a sequencer, record the audio of the sequence into the JamMan, then unplug the MIDI cable while both the original sequence and the loop are still playing. They very gradually go out of sync, gets very interesting after a few hours or so... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 23:56:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15953; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:57:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yes, that has been a favourite of mine for many years. There is also a >track by a lesser known band called Stump. Theres a track on their 1988 >album 'A fierce Pancake' called Charlton Heston where they use all these >frog sounds to generate the bed rhythm and it sounds great! >Ritchie >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain I love that record! "Charleton Heston puts his vest on." Killer bass playing. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 27 23:56:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16113; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:55:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A73A85B.962B1325@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:04:27 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bring me up to speed References: <3A74CB87.7C27BFD0@mind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello shara. i have used the boomerang for looping vocals for 6 years now. with the new v2 upgrade it is extra sweet! ( way to go mike!) i have a rig (the magic box) that allows the signal of both my voice and johnson m 150 amp to be looped and layered into the boomerang. an easy way to get this is to bring it through the aux on your pa head. this way any thing you bring in for the boomerang as an fx gets effected. the jamman, edp and now with higher sampling rate, boomerang and even dl4 all will do fine for vocal applications. i'm very partial to the rang myself. check ebay for a used jamman an aux send/return, fx loop in your pa's head peace jimmy george shara wrote: > Hey, > I am new to the looping concept. I heard a great vocal performance > using the JamMan on stage -- the building of an improv > accompaniment and then his vocal over that. It got me thinking about > my own vocal style and how much fun it would be to sound-style this > way. > > two questions now, more later: > > 1. Where can I get a used JamMan or something comparable in length > of loop and number of tracks? Is there a post for used equip? > > 2. What peripheral equipment do I need with it? I have a Fender > 4-channel PA and mic. What else do I need? > > I lied, there are 4 questions there.....Have patience with > me.........I am a neophyte. > > Shara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 00:07:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16815; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:06:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:06:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.142.200.248] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:52:44 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2001 05:04:17.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3D912A0:01C088E7] Resent-Message-ID: <1oik4C.A.aGE.sh6c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thats the one!!! Some great bass playing for sure. All the players are great really. Some excellent use of cross rhythms also amongst the band also. Ritchie ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Trenkel To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature > >Yes, that has been a favourite of mine for many years. There is also a > >track by a lesser known band called Stump. Theres a track on their 1988 > >album 'A fierce Pancake' called Charlton Heston where they use all these > >frog sounds to generate the bed rhythm and it sounds great! > >Ritchie > >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > > I love that record! "Charleton Heston puts his vest on." Killer bass playing. > > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub > ____________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 00:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17055; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:14:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:14:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c088e8$10c04480$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <200101270914.EAA04293@hemlock.violacea.com> <004901c088b5$dabdbde0$858ae3a5@poo> Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:06:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are species of frogs in marshes that adapt the rhythm of their calls to be "off-beat" from those of other frogs, sometimes even of the same species, so that they will stand out and hence, be more conspicuous to potential mates. Maybe they're not composing phase pieces exactly (I wonder how Steve Reich would feel), but certainly that's a kind of performance, right? It's great to read about others who take time out to listen to the rhythms of nature and draw inspiration from them . This is where most of my ideas come from, just things like this I notice in daily life. Hats off to all the other "deep listeners" out there: cheers Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 00:47:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17715; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:45:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:45:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c088ec$b3719a40$6550ced1@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: Subject: echoplex and jamman Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:39:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C088C2.BBB66660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3Y2tnD.A.SUE.QH7c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C088C2.BBB66660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am considering "switching" from my Jam man to an EDP. But I have a = couple of questions first, and was wondering if anyone could help with = answering these. Here they are: 1. Do EDP users find that the machine is reliable? Does the footpedal = give people any problems? How about the unit itself? 2. Does it make a difference in terms of reliability whether I purchase = an older model (pre Loop III v5.0 upgrade) or a newer model with the = upgrade pre-installed? 3. If I purchase an older one, how easy and problem-free is it to = install the upgrade? And how do I install it, or do I have to have it = done by Oberheim? Is the upgrade worth it? 4. In terms of comparing reliability of the unit (i.e. breakage / = malfunction issues) does anyone have a basis for comparing the Jamman = with the EDP? 5. I am aware that performance-wise, the EDP appears to have more = options than the Jam man. If that's the case then why do "tried and = true" Jam man users stick with the Jam man? Is it because of = reliability / bug-free issues or are there hidden performance advantages = to the Jam man that don't appear readily on the surface? =20 OK, there are the few starting questions I have at this point...... Oh yeah, one more.......if faced with the choice of a brand new EDP with = basic memory and Loop III installed, or an older one in mint condition = with full memory and no Loop III, for a difference of 200-300 dollars, = is the extra money for the new one and then the additional cost of = memory "worth it" in terms of what you get with the new unit (i.e. = technology / development-wise)? =20 Thanks a lot Stephen B. chambrad@valinet.com ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C088C2.BBB66660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am considering "switching" from my = Jam man to an=20 EDP.  But I have a couple of questions first, and was wondering if = anyone=20 could help with answering these.  Here they are:
 
1.  Do EDP users find that the = machine is=20 reliable?  Does the footpedal give people any problems?  How = about the=20 unit itself?
 
2.  Does it make a difference in = terms of=20 reliability whether I purchase an older model (pre Loop III v5.0 = upgrade) or a=20 newer model with the upgrade pre-installed?
 
3.  If I purchase an older one, = how easy and=20 problem-free is it to install the upgrade?  And how do I install = it, or do=20 I have to have it done by Oberheim?  Is the upgrade worth = it?
 
4.  In terms of comparing = reliability of the=20 unit (i.e. breakage / malfunction issues) does anyone have a basis for = comparing=20 the Jamman with the EDP?
 
5.  I am aware that = performance-wise, the EDP=20 appears to have more options than the Jam man.  If that's the case = then why=20 do "tried and true" Jam man users stick with the Jam man?  Is it = because of=20 reliability / bug-free issues or are there hidden performance advantages = to the=20 Jam man that don't appear readily on the surface? 
 
OK, there are the few starting = questions I have at=20 this point......
 
Oh yeah, one more.......if faced with = the choice of=20 a brand new EDP with basic memory and Loop III installed, or an older = one in=20 mint condition with full memory and no Loop III, for a difference of = 200-300=20 dollars, is the extra money for the new one and then the additional cost = of=20 memory "worth it" in terms of what you get with the new unit (i.e. = technology /=20 development-wise)? 
 
Thanks a lot
 
Stephen B.
chambrad@valinet.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C088C2.BBB66660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 00:58:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18124; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c088ee$ec2dea80$0401a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200101270914.EAA04293@hemlock.violacea.com> <004901c088b5$dabdbde0$858ae3a5@poo> <003101c088e8$10c04480$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Subject: Better-than-animal intentions... Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:55:27 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...a call to all here, to check out http://www.futureofmusic.com/ - not a tunes site at least! But actually an effort on all our behalfs we should I think align with, if we believe our music is important enough to keep as our own. There is a manifesto I strictly suggest reading, before deciding for oneself... these are people interested in our rights as creative artists. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 01:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19134; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:31:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:31:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:30:18 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature In-Reply-To: <004901c088b5$dabdbde0$858ae3a5@poo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7AQ0ED.A.cqE.yx7c6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: > > I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our > perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly > different speeds and let them interact. If we can pick patterns out of what *seems* random than maybe it isn't random., maybe there are patterns to everything in nature but it is at a macro level and it takes close and attentive examination to pick these patterns out...?? perception is a fascinating subject. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 01:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19296; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:34:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:34:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:33:29 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: insect politics cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature In-Reply-To: <003101c088e8$10c04480$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, insect politics wrote: > It's great to read about others who take time out to listen to the rhythms > of nature and draw inspiration from them . This is where most of my ideas > come from, just things like this I notice in daily life. Hats off to all the > other "deep listeners" out there: Or the rhythms that come out of the motor noise from the guy next door that *has* to mow is lawn at 7:00AM on a saturday morning ;-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 02:01:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20203; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:59:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:59:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <102465.41@compuserve.com> Sender: 102465.41@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3A73C326.B420E323@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:58:46 -0500 From: tapehiss <102465.41@compuserve.com> Organization: tapehiss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend made me a mix tape with "Charleston Heston Put his Vest On" on it years ago - love that tune - I had almost forgotten about it. Is there a Stump website? over & out scott Dave Trenkel wrote: > > > >Yes, that has been a favourite of mine for many years. There is also a > >track by a lesser known band called Stump. Theres a track on their 1988 > >album 'A fierce Pancake' called Charlton Heston where they use all these > >frog sounds to generate the bed rhythm and it sounds great! > >Ritchie > >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain > > I love that record! "Charleton Heston puts his vest on." Killer bass playing. > -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tape_hiss and our sites on the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://www.mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://www.mp3.com/hebephrenica ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 02:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20289; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:00:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c088f7$f2f02d20$0401a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 06:59:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "spaceloop" put forth: > > It's great to read about others who take time out to listen to the rhythms > > of nature and draw inspiration from them . This is where most of my ideas > > come from, just things like this I notice in daily life. Hats off to all the > > other "deep listeners" out there: > > Or the rhythms that come out of the motor noise from the guy next door > that *has* to mow is lawn at 7:00AM on a saturday morning ;-) Yeah, there are rules of coexistence most folks tend to ignore if we let them, eh? The flats we live in here (London) have a rule that hammering and other loud construction can't be done except between 9am-1pm. We had to remind our nextdoor neighbors of this yesterday, as they had workmen banging away still at 4. On the other hand, the building next to ours has had heavy reconstruction going on for over a month, 8am sharp, bang! bang! bang!, yelling, occasional operatic outbursts by some worker, loud power tools, sledgehammering, drilling... It really gets to one after a while - especially my wife, you know? Thankfully she knows that it'd be useless to send me over to contend with it. Also thankfully the most I've ever gotten to a complaint since 1984, when I moved out to LA, was "What the hell IS that playing?" :) I look back on my days in the East Coast, when my family had a LAWN, you know? 1-1/2 acres of lawn with enough nooks and crannies to negate the use of a rider mower, and, so, every week for oh, 3 hours or so, my life was filled with the ongoing drone of the mower. I came to think of it as a meditative process, this sculpting of the grass (you should mow it differently each time, you know?) combined with that single-tone drone. I kind of miss it in retrospect, and wonder sometimes that it might have been an introduction, with a set of parents who loved Montovani (sp), Ray Conniff, and hated the Beatles with a passion, to ambient drone music, even at age 11. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 04:59:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24116; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010128095708.15435.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Bring me up to speed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > two questions now, more later: > > 1. Where can I get a used JamMan or something > comparable in length > of loop and number of tracks? Is there a post for > used equip? You can search for a Jam Man on Ebay but they´re expensive there, if you don´t need midi sync you should get a Line6 DM4, or a Boomerang, but I think the best option right now is an Echoplex DP if you don´t mind to spend $700, anyways that´s almost the price of an expanded Jam Man on Ebay, or wait to see if the Repeater does what it promises... > 2. What peripheral equipment do I need with it? I > have a Fender > 4-channel PA and mic. What else do I need? If your Fender mixer has aux sends you already have the tools, if you´re buying the jam man or the Echoplex DP you´ll need a footswitch if you want to do the looping all by yourself, also get a small FX processor for adding flangers, chorus, etc. Good luck Alx. --- shara wrote: > Hey, > I am new to the looping concept. I heard a great > vocal performance > using the JamMan on stage -- the building of an > improv > accompaniment and then his vocal over that. It got > me thinking about > my own vocal style and how much fun it would be to > sound-style this > way. > > two questions now, more later: > > 1. Where can I get a used JamMan or something > comparable in length > of loop and number of tracks? Is there a post for > used equip? > > 2. What peripheral equipment do I need with it? I > have a Fender > 4-channel PA and mic. What else do I need? > > I lied, there are 4 questions there.....Have > patience with > me.........I am a neophyte. > > Shara > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 07:14:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27464; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c08922$df95be40$5782e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101280031.TAA06815@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #58 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:07:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick....all of the talk earlier about sense of community, where other than LD could you post your last delightful missive and be asured that it was being enjoyed and understood.....what fun!.....michael No Kidding, Michael. I love this site!!! It is so creative!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 07:19:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27290; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 07:11:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c08922$a570cb60$5782e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101280547.AAA17898@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Abstract Acapella Looping/Electronic Festival in the planning stages for early spring Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:05:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-16ekD.A.KqG.TwAd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jimmy George wrote: hello shara. i have used the boomerang for looping vocals for 6 years now. Very interesting the synchronicity of this thread. Just yesterday, I put into motion the first actions to try and create and Abstract Acapella Looping/Electronic Processing (no 'song's or typical pop forms of music, i.e., jazz, rock, r&B, soul, hip hop, rap, country or Scottish Hagis songs---the festival will follow some time in the distant future)show as a follow up to our successful Solo Bass Looping Festival. I'd love to hear yours and anyone else's work for potential inclusion in this show. As always, the monetary disclaimer has to proceed first: All artists donate their performances, I get rich off of the soundtrack recording (absolutely just kidding!!!), the Rio Theatre is donated, the Sound and Lights are donated and the show is free to the public. I recieved a $5 donation from one person and sold two CDs at $20 and still lost $10 or so on the postering ;-) and put about twenty hours worth of unpaid work into the Bass Solo show just to rest everybody's minds about those kinds of considerations. If, however it is not feasible to come to Santa Cruz, I would love to play an individual Acapella cut of yours during the setup transitions and introduce you, formally to the audience. Send me a short bio and photo if you have them. If you want to send me a couple of CDs, I'd be happy to sell them for $5, $10,$15 or $20 dollar increments. Go higher in price if you are sending in from out of the United States so that we can cover our mailing costs. I always seem to talk the local D.J.s into interviewing me for these shows so I would love to play the best cuts on air. Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 08:23:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29012; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.89] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:20:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2001 13:20:38.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AF52160:01C0892D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance says, Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29137; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:27:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:27:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c0892e$3543a360$8e097a3e@pirassic> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: Subject: OT: TC electronic D Two MIDI program change Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:28:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08936.967A2340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08936.967A2340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there. I've just bought a wonderful TC D-Two delay. I'm using it in my guitar rack besides a rocktron intellifex, and i'm = used to change every sounds by my MIDI foot controller. With the = intellifex it is possible to assign a certain patch number with a = different MIDI call from the foot controller. For example i press patch number "1" on my foot controller and i call patch number = 111 on the intellifex and the distorted chan of my amp (via MIDI thru). Is it possible to do the same with the D Two, indipendently from the = other gear? Thanks in advance ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08936.967A2340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello there. I've just bought a wonderful TC D-Two=20 delay.
I'm using it in my guitar rack besides a rocktron = intellifex,=20 and i'm used to change every sounds by my MIDI foot controller. With the = intellifex it is possible to assign a certain patch number with a = different MIDI=20 call from the foot controller.
 
For example
i press patch number "1" on my foot controller and i = call=20 patch number 111 on the intellifex and the distorted chan of my amp (via = MIDI=20 thru).
Is it possible to do the same with the D Two, = indipendently=20 from the other gear?
 
Thanks in advance
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C08936.967A2340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 09:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30309; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:01:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:01:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c08931$964549e0$7e3c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #201 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:52:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #201 January 25, 2001. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Mind~Flux, a.k.a. Thomas Fanger and Michael Kersten. The feature CD at Midnight was "Collector's Edition #1" on the Starflux and Manikin labels. Mind~Flux http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#jan ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm RMI Wrecks Frozen North (Centaur) Herr Veffen The Cloudsailor The Cloudsailor (Visiosonic) VA [Keller & Teutonisches Wuten Infinite Horizons (Horizon Music) Schonwalder] Patrick O'Hearn Along the Waterfront So Flows the Current (patrickohearn.com music) Arcane Dystopian Fictions Gather Darkness (Neu Harmony) 12:00 am Mind~Flux Une Petite Surprise Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) numerique Mind~Flux Plasma Make-up Suite Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Analogue Fields Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Electric Valley Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Trancefloor 5 Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Return to Reality Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Lunar Sunrise Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Space Phase Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Mind~Flux Kontinuum * Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a pan- European band of people from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "The Case" on the Neu Harmony label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 13:04:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03668; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:03:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: zardoz@globalserve.net User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:01:32 -0800 Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought some might find this of interest: Musical crazes occasionally sweep through the deep blue sea, as surely as they sweep through the world of teenagers. Male humpback whales readily learn and "sing" radically new songs from other whales, according to research published in today's issue of Nature. The phenomenon was likened by one expert to the "Beatles invasion" of U.S. musical tastes in the mid-1960s. The discovery strengthens growing suspicions that at least some higher animals' behavior isn't totally guided by genetically encoded rules. Rather, they possess a form of culture" that can be passed on nongenetically. In this case, the whales learned a new musical repertoire from other whales, instead of being restricted to tunes programmed into their DNA. Scientists have long known that humpbacks slowly change their songs over time. But this is the first known instance in which the creatures rapidly switched to a significantly different tune introduced by a foreign population of whales, according to the research team led by Michael J. Noad of the University of Sydney in Australia. Analyzing tape-recorded sounds from more than 100 male humpbacks, Noad discovered that over several months, a radically new tune sung by two humpbacks from the west coast of Australia was picked up by numerous other whales on the east coast. The shift in whale songs is "like going from rock to Sid Vicious," Noad observed during a phone interview. Among the Australian humpback whales, "the new song has become the 'flavor of the month.' "..... Why would humpback males switch tunes so fast and radically, as if switching platters from Bing Crosby to David Bowie? For now, experts can only speculate. One possibility is that by singing a different tune, a male humpback is likelier to stand out from the crowd. Hence, Noad speculates, it's likelier to attract the attention of a female humpback..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 14:07:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05381; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:04:27 +0100 From: Mark Kunzmann Subject: EDP finally arrived (in Switzerland) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c0895d$230d1e40$0200a8c0@unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C08965.849603E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C08965.849603E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, about 9 months ago I promised to notify you on arrival of the Echoplex = in Switzerland (I suppose the same goes for Central Europe). It seems = they're finally here!! Getting mine tomorrow -- totally psyched :-) Would any of you be willing to share some of your PMC10 patches for = controlling the unit as I'm not getting the footpedal? thanks for your help, Mark ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C08965.849603E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
 
about 9 months ago I promised to notify = you on=20 arrival of the Echoplex in Switzerland (I suppose the same goes for = Central=20 Europe). It seems they're finally here!! Getting mine tomorrow -- = totally=20 psyched :-)
 
Would any of you be willing to = share some of=20 your PMC10 patches for controlling the unit as I'm not getting the=20 footpedal?
 
thanks for your help,
Mark
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C08965.849603E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 18:04:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17718; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:02:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:02:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <51.6b65c9c.27a5fe68@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:59:52 EST Subject: Re: looping tips and tricks 2001 - triggered gates To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <8e0nq.A.yTE.RSKd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mlm, you said: >Been around for a while, but haven't seen a discussion on >triggered gating applications in this context. Either something >you can do to loops, or interesting source material for further >looping. Good for bringing in a rhythmic element to dense >textured loops, as well as de-densifying them somewhat. i use a very simple variation on this technique, currently using a korg es1. pcm42 loops -usually 'non-rhythmic' in nature- are fed to the es1's audio input. when the es1's sequencer is running, the audio input can then be gated via the 64 sequencer-steps/fx/motion controls, etc. the es1 can be either master or slave in a midi-clock setup, w/the edp, computer, etc..... 'tis good fun, w/some interesting results, esp. as the original loop-length on the pcm42 has no direct relation to the es1's 'loop' length/timing. best, dt / S-C 2 CD's now: (@ amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, artist-shop, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 21:59:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23534; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:57:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:57:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:56:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amazing how the researcher, writer, or both, have given us an interpretation of the Whale's "song" through the filter of pop culture. The British Invasion? Sid Vicious? Please. Oh, and when you have absolutely no clue, nor creativity, blame it on some DNA laden sex drive. They are just whales ....... aren't they? Sorry for the rant. Nothing against the person who posted this. Back to music. Michael At 10:01 AM 1/28/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Thought some might find this of interest: > >Musical crazes occasionally sweep through the deep blue sea, as surely as >they sweep through the world of teenagers. Male humpback whales readily >learn and "sing" radically new songs from other whales, according to >research published in today's issue of Nature. The phenomenon was likened by >one expert to the "Beatles invasion" of U.S. musical tastes in the >mid-1960s. The discovery strengthens growing suspicions that at least some >higher animals' behavior isn't totally guided by genetically encoded rules. >Rather, they possess a form of culture" that can be passed on >nongenetically. In this case, the whales learned a new musical repertoire >from other whales, instead of being restricted to tunes programmed into >their DNA. Scientists have long known that humpbacks slowly change their >songs over time. But this is the first known instance in which the creatures >rapidly switched to a significantly different tune introduced by a foreign >population of whales, according to the research team led by Michael J. Noad >of the University of Sydney in Australia. Analyzing tape-recorded sounds >from more than 100 male humpbacks, Noad discovered that over several months, >a radically new tune sung by two humpbacks from the west coast of Australia >was picked up by numerous other whales on the east coast. >The shift in whale songs is "like going from rock to Sid Vicious," Noad >observed during a phone interview. Among the Australian humpback whales, >"the new song has become the 'flavor of the month.' "..... >Why would humpback males switch tunes so fast and radically, as if switching >platters from Bing Crosby to David Bowie? For now, experts can only >speculate. One possibility is that by singing a different tune, a male >humpback is likelier to stand out from the crowd. Hence, Noad speculates, >it's likelier to attract the attention of a female humpback..... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 22:50:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24904; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: kcoyle@mail.black-hole.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> References: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:51:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know. You could probably explain all of pop culture through display competetion for the attention of mating partners. Sid Vicious found a way to attract Nancy by being "different," so Kurt Cobain has to be different from him to get Courtney, and Kid Rock to get his supermodel... If you aren't willing to give the whales the benefit of creative doubt, why extend the privilege to us? Just because we "think" we're expressing ourselves doesn't mean that that's the reason our DNA allows us to think that. After all, I started playing guitar because I couldn't get a date. And, dadgumit, it worked, too. They are just hairless apes, aren't they? K >Amazing how the researcher, writer, or both, have given us an >interpretation of the Whale's "song" through the filter of pop culture. >The British Invasion? Sid Vicious? Please. Oh, and when you have >absolutely no clue, nor creativity, blame it on some DNA laden sex drive. >They are just whales ....... aren't they? > >Sorry for the rant. > >Nothing against the person who posted this. > >Back to music. > >Michael > >At 10:01 AM 1/28/01 -0800, you wrote: >> >>Thought some might find this of interest: >> >>Musical crazes occasionally sweep through the deep blue sea, as surely as >>they sweep through the world of teenagers. Male humpback whales readily >>learn and "sing" radically new songs from other whales, according to >>research published in today's issue of Nature. The phenomenon was likened by >>one expert to the "Beatles invasion" of U.S. musical tastes in the >>mid-1960s. The discovery strengthens growing suspicions that at least some >>higher animals' behavior isn't totally guided by genetically encoded rules. >>Rather, they possess a form of culture" that can be passed on >>nongenetically. In this case, the whales learned a new musical repertoire >>from other whales, instead of being restricted to tunes programmed into >>their DNA. Scientists have long known that humpbacks slowly change their >>songs over time. But this is the first known instance in which the creatures >>rapidly switched to a significantly different tune introduced by a foreign >>population of whales, according to the research team led by Michael J. Noad >>of the University of Sydney in Australia. Analyzing tape-recorded sounds >>from more than 100 male humpbacks, Noad discovered that over several months, >>a radically new tune sung by two humpbacks from the west coast of Australia >>was picked up by numerous other whales on the east coast. >>The shift in whale songs is "like going from rock to Sid Vicious," Noad >>observed during a phone interview. Among the Australian humpback whales, >>"the new song has become the 'flavor of the month.' "..... >>Why would humpback males switch tunes so fast and radically, as if switching >>platters from Bing Crosby to David Bowie? For now, experts can only >>speculate. One possibility is that by singing a different tune, a male >>humpback is likelier to stand out from the crowd. Hence, Noad speculates, >>it's likelier to attract the attention of a female humpback..... >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 28 23:04:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25782; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:03:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:03:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A74DE91.42F2@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:08:06 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature References: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com narrow minded arrogance but afterall, they're just human....aren't they? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 01:52:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29419; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:50:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:50:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011f01c08bc9$3bf6eee0$5a81e3a5@poo> References: <200101261540.KAA28744@hemlock.violacea.com> <011f01c08bc9$3bf6eee0$5a81e3a5@poo> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:48:48 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LD2 CD realaudio site update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Our server machine has changed in last week, also streaming method has changed pnm to http. Now, streaming is fine. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/LD2_RA.html Keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 03:30:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31828; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A75278D.F33D3E93@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:19:25 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP finally arrived (in Switzerland) References: <003201c0895d$230d1e40$0200a8c0@unibas.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, > Mark Kunzmann wrote: > about 9 months ago I promised to notify you on arrival of the > Echoplex in Switzerland (I suppose the same goes for Central Europe). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It depends. If what you say means the EDP finally received that "CE"-certification which is obligatory within the "European Community", then yes. Anyway, I´d be curious to hear at what price they sell the EDP in Switzerland because it might be an option for us to buy them there. (I self-imported mine to Germany but at that time they were a little cheaper plus the exchange rate was friendlier.) -- Manfred Bohnhoff m@bonov.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 05:03:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02005; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:00:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:00:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002201c088ec$b3719a40$6550ced1@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:58:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex and jamman Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:39 PM -0800 1/27/01, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: > I am considering "switching" from my Jam man to an EDP. But I have a >couple of questions first, and was wondering if anyone could help with >answering these. Here they are: 1. Do EDP users find that the machine >is reliable? Does the footpedal give people any problems? How about the >unit itself? The units currently being built by Gibson at their trace elliot facility in the UK are quite well made. The spend a lot of effort to test them thoroughly and use the best components. There have also been design updates to improve reliability over older units. >2. Does it make a difference in terms of reliability >whether I purchase an older model (pre Loop III v5.0 upgrade) or a newer >model with the upgrade pre-installed? The LoopIIIv5.0 software fixed a lot of bugs from the old 3.2 software. So it is definitely more reliable in that way. (info about it is on the looper's delight site.) It is easy to upgrade if you need to. The LoopIIIv5.0 software costs $45 to buy if you are upgrading. (doesn't cost you anything if you are buying a new echoplex.....) The hardware units from the days when the old 3.2 software shipped were generally pretty well made, but they ran very hot. That would tend to be a reliability issue. The new units have a different power supply that runs cool, which is much better in my opinion. It is possible to modify an old one with the new supply if you want to go to the trouble. I would just buy a new one though, since the price of a new one doesn't seem to be much different from what people want to sell used ones for. >3. If I purchase an older one, >how easy and problem-free is it to install the upgrade? And how do I >install it, or do I have to have it done by Oberheim? Is the upgrade >worth it? you buy the upgrade from Aurisis Research (upgrade@aurisis.com) for $45. It comes as two chips which you have to install yourself in the unit. You just open the unit, pull out the two existing eprom chips from their sockets, and replace them with the new ones. It is pretty easy and should only take a few minutes and a screwdriver to do. >4. In terms of comparing reliability of the unit (i.e. >breakage / malfunction issues) does anyone have a basis for comparing the >Jamman with the EDP? I don't. >5. I am aware that performance-wise, the EDP >appears to have more options than the Jam man. If that's the case then >why do "tried and true" Jam man users stick with the Jam man? I'm not aware that they do, since I know a lot of people who have switched from Jammans to Echoplex. But certainly many people have something that works for them and they are comfortable with it, so they stick with it. > Oh >yeah, one more.......if faced with the choice of a brand new EDP with >basic memory and Loop III installed, or an older one in mint condition >with full memory and no Loop III, for a difference of 200-300 dollars, is >the extra money for the new one and then the additional cost of memory >"worth it" in terms of what you get with the new unit (i.e. technology / >development-wise)? Thanks a lot Stephen B. chambrad@valinet.com New units come with the full memory installed now, so you do not need to do any memory upgrades if you buy it new. I would be very surprised if the difference in used and new units is really that much right now. Either used prices have dropped way down or the quotes you have gotten for new units are very high. Check with Alto Music, they usually have a good price. My guess is you will find that a new unit is a better deal right now. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 06:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02723; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:53:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:53:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c089e1$a5d328e0$f711e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Dirk" To: Subject: Can the new BOSS SP303 be used as a looper? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:53:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C089EA.076E5E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C089EA.076E5E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable alle info appreciated ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C089EA.076E5E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C089EA.076E5E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 07:21:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04451; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Can the new BOSS SP303 be used as a looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:17:45 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 29/01/2001 12:17:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just checked out the Roland page (http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_4_2_12) .. looks like it's a refined version of the SP-202, which is a good affordable sampler, but not really a looper. With the 202, you can't record a loop while another is playing, and all functions have to be activated via the keypad (there is no MIDI in for connecting a foot controler). The latter can be okay if you play keyboards, but not guitar/bass. It was designed for use by DJs instead of one turntable in a standard two turntable setup. Good for taking a sample off the turntable, and then you can loop that while you change the vinyl. Yet to see detailed specs for the SP-303, but it's likely to be aimed at this market, rather than loopers. J/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 08:50:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06159; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:48:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:48:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> <3A74DE91.42F2@bellsouth.net> Subject: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good Morning, Campers! Today, I'm reading about the Line 6 DL4 Modeling Delay. The details on how it works are a little sketchy. I don't have one so I can't try it out to see how it really works. 1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP mode. 2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? 3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? 4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then press RECORD. Is this correct? Any help is appreciated. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 10:30:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08760; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Sync (was Re: Any More Info on New BOSS Looping pedal) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:23:31 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/29/2001 09:23:31 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you could have just one MIDI connector with clock: >Would you want IN or OUT? >What measure? I won't speak for others, but MIDI in is the only one I'd really pay attention to. Provided MIDI clock is on the beat only--and if I were designing a hardware looper (or software! I haven't given up on that topic...)--I would have the looper quantize the loop length (first pass only) to the nearest beat. You can therefore play in any meter you'd like, provided your MIDI clock in is at the correct tempo and you're not playing four over two or something. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 10:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09083; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:39:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Congratulations, us... To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:33:43 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/29/2001 09:33:44 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...for making it into the most recent issue of Electronic Musician (or was it Guitar Player, or Recording? dagnabbit--I read all three in the same sitting...), in the review of the Boomerang. We were listed as the definitave source for info on looping and looping technology. Makes you kinda feel proud. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:07:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10104; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010129160406.94395.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: abduction scene Subject: OT: distortion/OD pedals To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9As9jD.A.HdC.2RZd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the OT... Looking for recommendations for a overdrive/ distortion pedal that i could use for both bass and guitar. The less expensive the better, of course. And i don't mind quirky. Thanks! -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10102; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:03:43 +0100 From: Mark Kunzmann Subject: Re: EDP finally arrived (in Switzerland) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c08a0d$0de82720$0200a8c0@unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003201c0895d$230d1e40$0200a8c0@unibas.ch> <3A75278D.F33D3E93@t-online.de> Resent-Message-ID: <6_aMhC.A.tcC.gRZd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Manfred, > It depends. > If what you say means the EDP finally received that "CE"-certification > which is obligatory within the "European Community", then yes. As you probably know, Echoplexi have generally been in very short supply for the last couple of years. What I meant by my comment was that I was assuming that Trace Elliott now have their production up to speed and can turn around orders as they come in (at least more-or-less). > Anyway, I´d be curious to hear at what price they sell the EDP in > Switzerland because it might be an option for us to buy them there. I'm not sure about the pricing yet -- I think it is somewhere around 2000 CHF. I would think they're slightly cheaper in Germany, but you may want to find out from your Gibson rep. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10472; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: distortion/OD pedals Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:16:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <_GJlh.A.2iC.keZd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I researched distortion pedals for a while, mostly looking for anything that would work for bass, and the Big Muff was the only thing I found that worked. It works very well. A few guitar player friends also use them with good results. -Hans -----Original Message----- From: abduction scene [mailto:abduction_scene@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:04 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: distortion/OD pedals Sorry for the OT... Looking for recommendations for a overdrive/ distortion pedal that i could use for both bass and guitar. The less expensive the better, of course. And i don't mind quirky. Thanks! -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:38:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10896; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Congratulations, us... Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:31:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was Recording magazine, and I think "loopers-delight" actually appeared twice. Once for an article pertaining to the Boomerang and once for an article on Looping as related to song writing. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:34 AM > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Congratulations, us... > > > ...for making it into the most recent issue of Electronic > Musician (or was > it Guitar Player, or Recording? dagnabbit--I read all three > in the same > sitting...), in the review of the Boomerang. We were listed as the > definitave source for info on looping and looping technology. > > Makes you kinda feel proud. > > L > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11571; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A72DA29.933D828B@cloud9.net> References: <200101261540.KAA28745@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A72DA29.933D828B@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP sample dump (anyone uses it?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2eDrlD.A.kzC.6Cad6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK. Based on your advice, I'm throwing in the towel on this >feature. You're right, a >transfer time of between 60 and 90 times real-time is useless. >Given that you feel this >feature is a "throwaway", why don't you simply remove it from the >feature set and reassign >the code memory and front-panel buttons to some new, more useful feature :) Thats an interesting point. We felt that it was a "must". We were in doubt from the start whether it would be of much use, but instead of discussing that with users, we wanted to offer it and let them decide. Eric spent a lot of time with it and improved it in '95. This version will only come out with the next upgrade. He tested it with the then available samplers: another Echoplex, Galaxy, Alchemy, SoundDesigner, K2000, EMU e64, Akai, MAX According to him, a one second loop takes 50 seconds to transmit, which looks like a usefull situation. Some people work with very short loops, so... Since Eric is involved with a totally different job now, it will not be easy for us to still improve and adapt to newer products, especially if PC based. If noone even tried the dump to Cakewalk before you, to fix it may be a effort out of proportion. There is still some hope that the coming upgrade will work with Cakewalk or that there is a problem with your setup we did not find... Sure there would be use of the parameter keys, but to remove MIDI dump completely would be radical, no? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11579; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01C08891.B7EEF460.Rynolee@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yes, that has been a favourite of mine for many years. There is also a >track by a lesser known band called Stump. Theres a track on their 1988 >album 'A fierce Pancake' called Charlton Heston where they use all these >frog sounds to generate the bed rhythm and it sounds great! >Ritchie >http://www.mp3.com/rdomain I recorded a CD with only bamboo instruments in '82 called "hear the grass" by David Hoppkins (WERGO). Apart from some percussion loops with PCM42 we looped frogs from the amazone, too. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:59:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11581; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:03:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: > >> >> I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our >> perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly >> different speeds and let them interact. > >If we can pick patterns out of what *seems* random than maybe it isn't >random., maybe there are patterns to everything in nature but it is at a >macro level and it takes close and attentive examination to pick these >patterns out...?? > >perception is a fascinating subject. definitally! I earlier discribed experiences with "random" instruments and with rain drop rhythms that made me believe that we interact in some way with material so either the material really adapts to our "musical intention" (without physically touching it) or perception really does not respect what happens in "physical" world. Thats why I liked Davids view that the listener is capable to turn a sonic event into music. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 11:59:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11566; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c08a12$9c9c3060$6944e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> <3A74DE91.42F2@bellsouth.net> <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:43:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Line 6 DL4 > Good Morning, Campers! > > Today, I'm reading about the Line 6 DL4 Modeling Delay. The details on how > it works are a little sketchy. I don't have one so I can't try it out to > see how it really works. > > 1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According > to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP mode. step on the first button and the loop will continue to play > 2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? again, step on the first button > 3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The > manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new > recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But > what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? if you press it, you start to record. > 4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then > press RECORD. Is this correct? Yep > Any help is appreciated. Yr welcome, Jan > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 12:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11982; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:59:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:58:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have my DL-4 in front of me but I'll try and remember the details. 1) PLAY/STOP is a separate control that only comtrols playback, the RECORD /OVERDUB will toggle, if you are in O/D and hit the record switch it drops out of O/D without affecting playback. 2) To re-enter O/D hit the record switch while the loop is running. 3) When in play, hitting record puts the unit into O/D mode. 4) You can start a new loop by hitting record when the loop is not playing or selecting another model and reselecting loop. Once you get your DL-4 I'm sure it will become clear, it is about as easy as a looper can get to use and very musical too. Don't forget you can set the unit to 1/2 speed before you record too and reverse for O/D's. It's a great box. Martin Shellard > > Good Morning, Campers! > > Today, I'm reading about the Line 6 DL4 Modeling Delay. > > 1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According > to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP mode. > > 2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? > > 3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The > manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new > recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But > what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? > > 4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then > press RECORD. Is this correct? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 12:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12948; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> <3A74DE91.42F2@bellsouth.net> <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:08:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, >1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According >to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP mode. Start the loop by pressing 'record', and start playing. If you press 'play' at the end of the loop, it goes into play mode. If you hit 'record' at the end of the loop, the loop begins playback but you're now in overdub mode. You can pretty much toggle back and forth in and out of record mode by just hitting 'record'. There's an LED light there telling you when you're overdubbing. > >2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? just by pushing 'record' > >3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The >manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new >recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But >what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? if nothing is playing, 'record' begins loop recording. if you're currently playing (in any of the mentioned modes), it acts as the overdub button. what would be wierd would be to do a fairly long loop, then set it to 'play once', then try to overdub something quickly before the end of the loop, which will be hidden in there until you trigger the loop again...oh, then turn the mix down (via xpression pedal) and repeat the process...'play once' then overdub quickly...hahahaha...but you wouldn't be hearing the underlying loop, just adding new artifacts (maybe while the band is jamming along), then maybe repeat again a few more times?...then slowly fade the mix back in with your new creation? or mess? ...never tried that...:) > >4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then >press RECORD. Is this correct? yes, unless somebody's got a trick up their sleeve. > >Any help is appreciated. > >Dennis Leas no problem! i've been enjoying the DL4 as a tabletop delay and looper for my recordings. Live, it was a bit frustrating at times, and the expression pedal only added to that. Hell, they are showing up on alot of people's pedalboards though...nice unit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 12:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13255; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:28:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:28:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010128205613.007ae220@mail.airmail.net> <3A74DE91.42F2@bellsouth.net> <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:17:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now i'm rethinking this...maybe it won't work. I'll have to try this tonight. Question is: Does overdub work in play once mode, or does it just start a new loop? hmmmm....fun idea i guess if it doesn't work. oops...almost forgot...will it do it on the EDP? or what about that *!@#!&! Repeater? :) rich >>3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The >>manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new >>recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But >>what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? > > >if nothing is playing, 'record' begins loop recording. if you're >currently playing (in any of the mentioned modes), it acts as the >overdub button. > >what would be wierd would be to do a fairly long loop, then set it >to 'play once', then try to overdub something quickly before the end >of the loop, which will be hidden in there until you trigger the >loop again...oh, then turn the mix down (via xpression pedal) and >repeat the process...'play once' then overdub >quickly...hahahaha...but you wouldn't be hearing the underlying >loop, just adding new artifacts (maybe while the band is jamming >along), then maybe repeat again a few more times?...then slowly fade >the mix back in with your new creation? or mess? ...never tried >that...:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 12:37:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13589; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:35:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:33:52 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: animal intentions and "Random" loops Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a bunch of people wrote: > a bunch of stuff on whales and creativity and music PLease bear with me a moment - In Ojibwe thought, art that follows a circular path (eg a loop) is the ultimate form of expression. It is thought that the thing has a beginning, a period of growth, a period of centemplation, and a "end". In the grand scehme of the Universe, it is thought that this end exists simply to make the next begining easier to comprehend (like the big bang expansion/contraction theory). Since all things come from the natural world (even if human beings mine it and refine it into something else), it is logical (in OJibwe thought) too state that the Whales are compsing. To qoute Mike Muir, "just 'cause you don't like don't mean that it ain't no good." That's just my $.02 PBS is running a way cool documetary on Jazz. The fourth and final instalment is on tonight. Check your local listings :) _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 12:48:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14099; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:46:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:46:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-To: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:49:26 -0600 Subject: Korg wavedrum w/roadcase for sale From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone. I thought I'ld offer my wavedrum to those interested on the list. It comes with the REI controller to edit sounds, the expression pedal, and a custom roadcase that holds everything. The unit listed for $2500.00 when it came out. These are pretty rare. I 'm using Zendrums and a Roland Handsonic currently along with my faithful EDP. Those interested can E-mail me off list at tomroady@telalink.net. I can send a photo if you like. It's a very kool unit to loop with. I'm considering reasonable offers and I'll be putting it on EBAY next week if I don't sell it by other means. Thanks TR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 14:02:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16472; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:58:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:58:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:06 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: 'Plex for sale Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200101291355_MC2-C373-FD2A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA16417 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, are you still selling? I just got a Jamman for 690 dollars (!) but I have until Saturday to give it back for a full refund, and I think that the ´Plex might be better for me. What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the `Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have a DL4) Best, Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 14:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17746; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c08a29$e9901500$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <0bb601c089f8$d8c57d90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:30:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Good Morning, Campers! > > Today, I'm reading about the Line 6 DL4 Modeling Delay. The details on how > it works are a little sketchy. I don't have one so I can't try it out to > see how it really works. Honestly, it takes about 5 minutes of playing with it to 'get it.' It's one of the more intuitive digital effects boxes I've used. > > 1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According > to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP mode. The buttons from left to right are Record.....Play/Stop.....Play Once....and Half/Reverse. To stop overdubbing but still play, you simply tap the record switch. > 2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? You simply press the Record switch again. > > 3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? The > manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new > recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. But > what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? The manual is right, but you have the option of simply looping and playing over (without it recording your new notes) or looping and having it record, overdubbing. I'm pretty sure you cannot record in play once mode, nor press that until you have a loop going. And if youre already overdubbing, pressing record switches you to Play mode, IIRC. > 4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then > press RECORD. Is this correct? That's Correct. Cheers! Brian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 15:22:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19272; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:20:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:20:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:18:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, I posted a video of one of our NAMM Repeater demos to our web site. It's rough and not really for public consumption so it's in our top secret area. Just follow the link: http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMWinter2001.mov Enjoy... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 15:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19364; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:22:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:22:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A764C47.DE930236@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:08:23 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cubase automation of the plex (was 'Plex for sale) References: <200101291355_MC2-C373-FD2A@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alessandro Ricciarelli wrote: > > Hi, > Snip > What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact > length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a > loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and > then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... > I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the > `Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should > keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have > a DL4) Easy use cubase to push record for you (all front pannel buttons are assigned to midi commands) so while in sync with plex or cubase as master your plex will be put in record endrecord multiply whatever with exactly (in the limits of the midiclock precision )the same lenght if you decide so once you like the loop push record on cubase and record the audio out of the plex etc .... if you use several loops with auto record on you can use nextloop to record to different loops in one go this is one of the most powerfull way to work with plex, I use it a lot in a lot of weird ways Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 15:44:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19883; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:42:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:42:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:40:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And while you're at it, check out... http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/remi.gif -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater NAMM Demo Hey loopers, I posted a video of one of our NAMM Repeater demos to our web site. It's rough and not really for public consumption so it's in our top secret area. Just follow the link: http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMWinter2001.mov Enjoy... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 15:52:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20354; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.71] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: distortion/OD pedals Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:49:26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2001 20:49:26.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7A9B280:01C08A34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try Fulltone BassDrive....two stage OD that is designed for bass (no low end loss) but works great on guitar too. The guitar version, FullDriveII, is also very good but you lose some low end on bass (which can be cool, if that's what u want). Both are a little pricey, but head and shoulders above all other OD pedals. Very tube like. For a more budget-minded pedal, try Real Tube Blue Tube. Has a 12ax7 in it and works good with both guitar and bass....but is AC operation only. Max Valentino >From: abduction scene >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: distortion/OD pedals >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) > > >Sorry for the OT... > >Looking for recommendations for a overdrive/ >distortion pedal that i could use for both >bass and guitar. The less expensive the better, >of course. And i don't mind quirky. > >Thanks! > >-abduction- > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 15:53:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20435; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129125004.021b7ba0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:50:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer (12:40 PM 01/29/01) wrote: >And while you're at it, check out... > >http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/remi.gif Yeah... That was a scratch concept drawing that Damon did a while back (September) to try to get people's ideas on developing a foot controller. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21212; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:00:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:00:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: echoplex and jamman Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:58:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >4. In terms of comparing reliability of the unit (i.e. >breakage / malfunction issues) does anyone have a basis for comparing the >Jamman with the EDP? Don't replace one for the other. Get and keep them both (all dl4, repeater, headrush, etc... They are simply different machines that perform similar functions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:03:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21283; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:01:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c08a36$721c53a0$0401a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Congratulations, us... Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:59:59 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This month in Recording? I can only hope it's available in the UK... :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: 29 January 2001 16:31 PM Subject: RE: Congratulations, us... > It was Recording magazine, and I think "loopers-delight" actually > appeared twice. Once for an article pertaining to the Boomerang and > once for an article on Looping as related to song writing. > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:34 AM > > To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Congratulations, us... > > > > > > ...for making it into the most recent issue of Electronic > > Musician (or was > > it Guitar Player, or Recording? dagnabbit--I read all three > > in the same > > sitting...), in the review of the Boomerang. We were listed as the > > definitave source for info on looping and looping technology. > > > > Makes you kinda feel proud. > > > > L > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21426; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:03:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c08a36$ae0c90a0$0401a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: animal intentions and "Random" loops Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:01:34 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of circles, remember how the artist Giotto got his commission to do work for the Vatican... by drawing, by hand, an allegedly perfect circle. This mnemonic is in more places than we're willing to admit I suspect. :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heyoka_face_eater" To: "Loopers list" Sent: 29 January 2001 17:33 PM Subject: animal intentions and "Random" loops > a bunch of people wrote: > > > a bunch of stuff on whales and creativity and music > > PLease bear with me a moment - In Ojibwe thought, art that follows > a circular path (eg a loop) is the ultimate form of expression. It is > thought that the thing has a beginning, a period of growth, a period of > centemplation, and a "end". In the grand scehme of the Universe, it is > thought that this end exists simply to make the next begining easier to > comprehend (like the big bang expansion/contraction theory). Since all > things come from the natural world (even if human beings mine it and > refine it into something else), it is logical (in OJibwe thought) too > state that the Whales are compsing. To qoute Mike Muir, "just 'cause you > don't like don't mean that it ain't no good." > > That's just my $.02 > > PBS is running a way cool documetary on Jazz. The fourth and final > instalment is on tonight. Check your local listings :) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:08:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21578; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:06:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [170.76.75.70] From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:04:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2001 21:04:36.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[16089730:01C08A37] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alessandro, At this time the EDP is still available. There is one person who responded to the ad before you so if he backs out then you're in. As soon as he replies I will let you know. As far as the Jamman is concerned, I say you should return the unit and hold out for an EDP. Just paying that much for the Jamman is not right. Besides that the EDP is a vastly superior beast. I think everybody on the list will tell you that. I'm not sure if the Jamman even has MIDI. The EDP has extensive MIDI capabilities and is perfectly suited for what you want to do. It has a MIDI sync function that will work with Cubase nicely. You will thank me for getting rid of the Jamman. Peace out, Hung >From: Alessandro Ricciarelli >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: 'Plex for sale >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:06 -0500 > >Hi, > >are you still selling? I just got a Jamman for 690 dollars (!) but I have >until Saturday to give it back for a full refund, and I think that the >´Plex might be better for me. >What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact >length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a >loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and >then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... >I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the >`Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should >keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have >a DL4) > >Best, Alessandro > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:09:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21596; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:07:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:05:46 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: distortion/OD pedals, thankyous and gig SPAM London From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In my UK rig, I use an SWR interstellar overdrive in the FX loop of my MPX-G2 - in the states I had no 'stellar, so had to make do with the G2, and to my ears, I missed the tubes... if you can go tube, do... :o) Thanks to everyone who came to my gigs in LA and Santa Cruz - every city on the planet needs a Rick Walker! The guy's great, makes some really cool music, and seems to be pretty much the hub of the local experimental music scene. It was a real treat to play on the same bill as Max, Trey and Scott - hopefully, there'll be some photos and a full report, maybe with gear lists and whatnot, at www.solobassnetwork.org.uk before long... 'til then, there's a review of my CD just been added to www.ambientvisions.com which is worth checking out. Also, see mini feature by me in current issue of Bass Player magazine about the future of solo bass - the solo bass looping festival was great, I hope i get to do one in London. Next solo bass looping event in London is me live with David Friesen in Holloway, North London - see www-solobassnetwork.org.uk for more details. cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk > try Fulltone BassDrive....two stage OD that is designed for bass (no low end > loss) but works great on guitar too. The guitar version, FullDriveII, is > also very good but you lose some low end on bass (which can be cool, if > that's what u want). Both are a little pricey, but head and shoulders above > all other OD pedals. Very tube like. > For a more budget-minded pedal, try Real Tube Blue Tube. Has a 12ax7 in it > and works good with both guitar and bass....but is AC operation only. > Max Valentino > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21808; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.71] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:10:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2001 21:10:06.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA969570:01C08A37] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the DL4 is really simple to use....and even with its limitations very flexible in a live looping situation (as evidenced by the numbers showing up in pedalboards). As everyone has pointed out, you can get out of loop mode w/o going to overdub by just pressing the PLAY button...simple. The one shot playback offers a lot of fun options too. as does the double time and reverse buttons (way fun!) Even tho there is no midi sync....it is very versatile, with sound quality far superior to JamMan. For complex looping phrases I often record a DL4 loop into my JamMan and then switch off The Dl4 and start over...then re-dump into JamBoy. If you are careful about timing and loop lengths, the errant sync problem does not rear its ugly head. The DL4 is very affordable, easy to use and sounds great. I highly recommend it to anyone into exploring looping possiblities. But I also recommend getting the optional expression pedal....try using it to control not only pre-delay in loops, but the loop volume for dynamic loop control! And the other classic delay models are great! Loop On....Max Valentino >From: "Dennis Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Line 6 DL4 >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:39:03 -0500 > >Good Morning, Campers! > >Today, I'm reading about the Line 6 DL4 Modeling Delay. The details on how >it works are a little sketchy. I don't have one so I can't try it out to >see how it really works. > >1) How do you exit OVERDUB mode and still have the loop playing? According >to the manual, if you press PLAY/STOP while in OVERDUB, you enter STOP >mode. > >2) Then how do you re-enter OVERDUB mode once you're out of it? > >3) If you're not recording, what happens when you press RECORD/OVERDUB? >The >manual says that if the DL4 is stopped, pressing RECORD starts a new >recording; and if you're recording, pressing RECORD starts overdubbing. >But >what happens if you're in PLAY, PLAYONCE, or OVERDUB mode? > >4) It seems that the only way to start a new loop is to STOP the DL4, then >press RECORD. Is this correct? > >Any help is appreciated. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21983; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:14:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:14:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c08a38$2c6397e0$7e87abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: 'Plex for sale Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:12:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, Oh, I think you have placed a bomb here, Hung. Saying these things about Jam Man is like to offend its lovers here on the list.... >"I'm not sure if the Jamman even has MIDI". expect flames !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Hung Nguyen To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale > Hi Alessandro, > At this time the EDP is still available. There is one person who responded > to the ad before you so if he backs out then you're in. As soon as he > replies I will let you know. As far as the Jamman is concerned, I say you > should return the unit and hold out for an EDP. Just paying that much for > the Jamman is not right. Besides that the EDP is a vastly superior beast. I > think everybody on the list will tell you that. I'm not sure if the Jamman > even has MIDI. The EDP has extensive MIDI capabilities and is perfectly > suited for what you want to do. It has a MIDI sync function that will work > with Cubase nicely. You will thank me for getting rid of the Jamman. > Peace out, > Hung > > > >From: Alessandro Ricciarelli > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > > >Subject: 'Plex for sale > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:06 -0500 > > > >Hi, > > > >are you still selling? I just got a Jamman for 690 dollars (!) but I have > >until Saturday to give it back for a full refund, and I think that the > >´Plex might be better for me. > >What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact > >length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a > >loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and > >then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... > >I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the > >`Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should > >keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have > >a DL4) > > > >Best, Alessandro > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:38:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22853; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:36:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:36:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: echoplex and jamman Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:34:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2001 21:34:51.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FFFED90:01C08A3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would keep all of them as well. Part of my setup includes 2 echoplexes, 2 jammen, and a vortex in one rack. The uses of these items chained together is just amazing. We utilize them for individual instruments, and on the entire stereo mix! Looping heaven I tell you! Keep em all, string em together, and find God! > >4. In terms of comparing reliability of the unit (i.e. > >breakage / malfunction issues) does anyone have a basis for >comparing the > >Jamman with the EDP? > > Don't replace one for the other. Get and keep them both (all dl4, >repeater, headrush, etc... They are simply different machines that perform >similar functions. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:41:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23100; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:37:09 EST Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plus the Jamman is a stereo device (albeit pseudo-stereo or whatever). I presently have two EDP's but used to use a Jamman. I still think the sound quality of the Jamman is a little better than on the EDP. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23488; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:50:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:50:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a801c08a3d$60581f80$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:48:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must disagree- I have both and use them both all the time- if the EDP is playing master looper the JamMan makes a nice tap tempo delay or additional looper/sampler- the Jam Man does have midi as well- I will agree however that the price you are paying is simply too high- at that price I would get an EDP instead and scour the auction sites and music stores for a more reasonably priced JamMan- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale > Hi Alessandro, > At this time the EDP is still available. There is one person who responded > to the ad before you so if he backs out then you're in. As soon as he > replies I will let you know. As far as the Jamman is concerned, I say you > should return the unit and hold out for an EDP. Just paying that much for > the Jamman is not right. Besides that the EDP is a vastly superior beast. I > think everybody on the list will tell you that. I'm not sure if the Jamman > even has MIDI. The EDP has extensive MIDI capabilities and is perfectly > suited for what you want to do. It has a MIDI sync function that will work > with Cubase nicely. You will thank me for getting rid of the Jamman. > Peace out, > Hung > > > >From: Alessandro Ricciarelli > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > > >Subject: 'Plex for sale > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:06 -0500 > > > >Hi, > > > >are you still selling? I just got a Jamman for 690 dollars (!) but I have > >until Saturday to give it back for a full refund, and I think that the > >´Plex might be better for me. > >What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact > >length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a > >loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and > >then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... > >I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the > >`Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should > >keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have > >a DL4) > > > >Best, Alessandro > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 16:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23487; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c08a3d$5dc98560$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Repeater/EDP Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:49:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow- glad to see a foot controller is in the works for the Repeater- looks great- can I get one by 2005? ;) OOps, just read it was only a concept drawing- bummer- Had a dj friend over the other night- spinning Zepplin/Black Eyed Peas/Miles... was great- i had 9 loops and would grab sections from the tables and spit them back out in time in reverse- also playing guitar etc.- after 15 or 20 min after all 9 loops were filled I had forgotten what was in them- making juicy bits when the Biz Marquis loop I had now fit over the Alice In Wonderland currently playing... loads of fun with turntables- Repeater will be good there too- and it has phono in if you are really bent on the idea- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo > And while you're at it, check out... > > http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/remi.gif > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater NAMM Demo > > > Hey loopers, > I posted a video of one of our NAMM Repeater demos to our web site. It's > rough and not really for public consumption so it's in our top secret area. > Just follow the link: > http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMWinter2001.mov > > Enjoy... > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 17:44:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25534; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:41:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:41:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A75D5CD.7F673476@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:42:55 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater Video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just watched the Repeater video............ This thing is so worth the wait! Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 17:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25694; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:44:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:34:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just paying that much for the Jamman is not right. agreed, but alot of gear has been deemed 'collectible' at one time or another and the price has gone up...but how does that impact the effectiveness of the unit? i'll guarantee you that jamman's would not be selling if they were crappy. my mind wanders to 808's, 909's and 303's sitting in a pawn shop for dirt cheap...before the hip hop guys got ahold of them...now they're 'hot'. > Besides that the EDP is a vastly superior beast. I think everybody >on the list will tell you that. yes, and others will tell you to stay with the straight ahead, dependable jamman vs. an unpredictable, buggy EDP. i'm not advocating this, but it has been brought up...many times. > I'm not sure if the Jamman even has MIDI. wrong. >You will thank me for getting rid of the Jamman. why exactly? it's still a damn good machine. hell, with that line of thinking why not wait for a Repeater? cuz we all know that it the BEST machine anyway, right? I think everybody on the list will tell you that. BULL...we've all got our tools, and i think we have to fall in love with 'em to put the time into them to make them do the dances we ask them to do. why put one down as somehow obviously inferior? if i'm reading Allessandro's post correctly, the jamman may do what he's looking for... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 17:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25967; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:46:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c08a44$d144f360$7c00a8c0@groovet> Reply-To: "Christoph Schwaiger" From: "Christoph Schwaiger" To: Subject: Do i need a Sampler? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:42:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08A4D.31EA08B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Return-Path: christoph.schwaiger@awd.at Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08A4D.31EA08B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello folks! First I have to say, that I am new and that I am a drummer, not a real = Audio-Looping-Session-Master! :o) I want to use drum-loops and audio-sequences (recorded or created on the = computer -> WAV-Files) in the live-situation with my band while playing = the drums. Is it possible, to trigger the certain loops or sequences by = hitting a drum-pad? What equipment would be best for me (Phrase = Sampler??, not too expensive). Thanx a lot, Christoph ;o) ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08A4D.31EA08B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello folks!
 
First I have to say, that I am new and = that I am a=20 drummer, not a real Audio-Looping-Session-Master! :o)
 
I want to use drum-loops and = audio-sequences=20 (recorded or created on the computer -> WAV-Files) in the = live-situation=20 with my band while playing the drums. Is it possible, to trigger the = certain=20 loops or sequences by hitting a drum-pad? What equipment would be best = for me=20 (Phrase Sampler??, not too expensive).
 
Thanx a lot, Christoph=20 ;o)
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C08A4D.31EA08B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 17:51:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26100; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:50:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:43:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, it really seems pretty awesome! I know you are trying to keep the crowd worked up here, but can you give us any more definitive information about what is left to trouble shoot and what a more accurate ETA is for a virtually bug free unit? Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater NAMM Demo > > > Hey loopers, > I posted a video of one of our NAMM Repeater demos to our web > site. It's > rough and not really for public consumption so it's in our > top secret area. > Just follow the link: > http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMWinter2001.mov > > Enjoy... > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 18:00:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26524; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:54:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <7fprpC.A.9cG.jTfd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since the software is easily upgradeable, I'd be happy with a functional two-track model now, and then we could upgrade once the rest of it was working. -Hans -----Original Message----- From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Damon, it really seems pretty awesome! I know you are trying to keep the crowd worked up here, but can you give us any more definitive information about what is left to trouble shoot and what a more accurate ETA is for a virtually bug free unit? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 18:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27050; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:59:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:59:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:49:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >but can you give us any more definitive information >about what is left to trouble shoot and what a more accurate ETA is for >a virtually bug free unit? i think this is what got Electrix in trouble the last time...I wouldn't expect a repeat (no pun intended) performance... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 18:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28195; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:30:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08A4B.7797EF00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08A4B.7797EF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The shade, *Gray* is not imaginary, but we should not forget that it is totally dependent on black and white for it's existence. Black and white do not need gray. Gray IS black and white. People take, almost religious, pleasure in pointing out that the three hues are on an equal standing. They aren't. This rallying cry, *Don't see things only in black and white* has been mouthed for so long- - people begin to believe that only gray exists. Gray- in itself- doesn't exist at all! Lance is making good arguments- I use him as an example. Re-read what he says above. It is clear that he has begun to see Gray/Black/White as three equal, and distinct entities. He looks, for instance, for the gray in black-the black in white. This is relativity in action. It might be true that black only exists in relation [absence of] to black. But gray does not exist on it's own. ** pretty digital view of the world. no analog mess. some random thoughts. there's hydrogen and there's oxygen, and in the right proportions, they "make" water . . . but water itself doesn't exist . . . so are you *right*, *wrong* or a combination of both? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08A4B.7797EF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

The shade, *Gray* is not imaginary, but we should not = forget that it is
totally dependent on black and white for it's = existence. Black and white do
not need gray. Gray IS black and white.

People take, almost religious, pleasure in pointing = out that the three hues
are on an equal standing. They aren't. This rallying = cry,  *Don't  see
things only in black and white* has been mouthed for = so long- - people begin
to believe that only gray exists. Gray- in itself- = doesn't exist at all!

Lance is making good arguments- I use him as an = example. Re-read what he
says above. It is clear that he has begun to see = Gray/Black/White as three
equal, and distinct entities. He looks, for = instance, for the gray in
black-the black in white. This is relativity in = action. It might be true
that black only exists in relation [absence of] to = black. But gray does not
exist on it's own.

** pretty digital view of the world. no analog = mess.

some random thoughts.

there's hydrogen and there's oxygen, and in the right = proportions,  they "make" water . . . but water itself = doesn't exist . . .

so are you *right*, *wrong* or a combination of = both?


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08A4B.7797EF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 18:47:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28169; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Best location in signal chain for Looping? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:25:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site trying to find out the following: For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a single small mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself and I send a mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon MPX1) on my aux 1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of delay that is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the looper could do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as possible so that the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and tricks page, is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with a looper in a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone after drone to underscore a lead sound? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 19:02:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29453; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:00:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:06:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: good intentions [LAST time- unless provoked] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0qHYvB.A.lFH.APgd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think we have to avoid the temptation to feel compelled to define >*Music*-- ... I’m always happy to define- but I don’t want to >deconstruct, and separate a thing into elements, just to say, *Aha, >there is nothing here!* >...One couldn’t *plan* to have bad intentions, by that >definition—because the planning is what shifts it to a good >intention; or: one can’t *plan* not to use his plan. very good. Thank you for this lesson! >I wouldn’t say that Dennis’s wind-chimes aren’t music to him. My >children’s laughter is music to me. But I do not forget that those >are metaphors. It's poetic comparison. It's NOT composing music with >our ears and brain. >=== the only point I dont quite agree, as pointed out in the other mail. Maybe selection can also cause music: someone that samples a certain noise and loops it for example puts an intention into the music that was not there when the sound happened. Pointing at the sound turns it to music. Maybe thats similar to becoming aware of the whind-chimes and "interact" as a listener. > >One really has to choose which he thinks came first; the song or the >creating of the song. Something must come first. It’s just like >consciousness and existence. brilliant! Thank you! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 19:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30361; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:28:22 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-Ed22C.A.tZH.gqgd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > there's hydrogen and there's oxygen, and in the right proportions, they > "make" water . . . but water itself doesn't exist . . . Water does exist. Ever hear of a covalent bond? Water is a molecule and not considered two seperate atoms until dissociation occurs. Not that it's important or anything. ;-) -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 19:52:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31007; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:51:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:51:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A768B6B.5FC8AD5B@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:37:47 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer wrote: > > Since the software is easily upgradeable, I'd be happy with a functional > two-track model now, and then we could upgrade once the rest of it was > working. Naaaaa let them finish it; dont they deserve the pride to make it right and complete ??!! you now, my tune is just a demo; I can do a lot more if I this or that.... says the musician to the AR guy already heading to the bar. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 21:24:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01259; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:23:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:08:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >but can you give us any more definitive information > >about what is left to trouble shoot and what a more accurate > ETA is for > >a virtually bug free unit? > > i think this is what got Electrix in trouble the last time...I > wouldn't expect a repeat (no pun intended) performance... > I can only imagine how difficult it must be to try and put a timeline on something, but I would rather have the worst possible info and be pleasantly surprised than to receive the most optimistic info and be sorely dissapointed. If Damon were to communicate the current punch-list that they (the engineers) are working on and some approximate timelines to go with the issues, then we would have a much better idea of what to expect and more apt to be patient. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 21:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01583; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:28:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:28:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129182516.01f11690@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:26:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9slYb.A.iW.Laid6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (03:08 PM 01/29/01) wrote: >> >but can you give us any more definitive information >> >about what is left to trouble shoot and what a more accurate >> ETA is for >> >a virtually bug free unit? >> >> i think this is what got Electrix in trouble the last time...I >> wouldn't expect a repeat (no pun intended) performance... >> > >I can only imagine how difficult it must be to try and put a timeline on >something, but I would rather have the worst possible info and be >pleasantly surprised than to receive the most optimistic info and be >sorely dissapointed. If Damon were to communicate the current >punch-list that they (the engineers) are working on and some approximate >timelines to go with the issues, then we would have a much better idea >of what to expect and more apt to be patient. I know some of the things that they are looking at, and I can tell you that there are potential trade secret and definite product edge issues involved. In *ANY* situation like this it is simply NOT a good idea for someone to reveal their bug list. I certainly wouldn't expose the bug list for what I'm working on right now. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 21:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02152; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:35:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f601c0899b$6cf36300$0389e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101292114.QAA21938@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:30:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1IQ9G.A.Ah.7gid6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: "Speaking of circles, remember how the artist Giotto got his commission to do work for the Vatican... by drawing, by hand, an allegedly perfect circle. This mnemonic is in more places than we're willing to admit I suspect. :)" As long as we've gone from Loops to Circles, I love this anecdote (and please forgive that this is a gross paraphrase). A journalist interviewing Pablo Picasso said, "You are the acknowledged greatest artist of the twentieth century. Whatever you paint or draw, people instantly know that it is a 'Picasso'. Consequently, how do you draw a 'Picasso' circle? To which Picasso replied "I sit down and try to draw a Perfect Circle. Since I am an imperfect human being, what comes out is a 'Picasso' circle" Along similar lines, Brian Eno was asked whether he worried about maintaining creativity constantly, to which he purportedly replied, If every human being on earth who could physically comply was given a piece of white paper and a red crayon and told to draw a picture of a house and a tree, every single drawing that was produced would be absolutely unique. There would be no two drawings that are alike. Yet, houses and trees are not made of white paper and red wax, so each drawing would be a creative interpretation of the what a house and a tree look like. Every human being is creative, whether they want to be or not. Consequently, he said he didn't worry about being creative. My point following these anecdotes is that the only thing we must do as artist is to 'put it out there'. We live in a very dysfunctional and perfectionistic culture that says you should only put energy into any endeavor if you have a chance to be the best (to win the olympics, to sell a million records, to be the fastest guitar player). There is very little support for people to just make music or write songs because it is good for the soul to do so. Consequently, the piano that used to be in many homes in America has virtually dissappeared, funding for musical and art education has been drastically cut back. We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in public. This is madness!!!! Consequently, I consider it a political and spiritual act of defiance to aggressively put our art 'out there' so that at least younger people in our culture have some kind of 'healthy artistic' template to work off of as they grow up. I just like to do it with looping (he says bringing it back to topic at the last possible moment ;-) Yours, in cultural fomentation, Rick Walker (loop.pool) PS I've told these anecdotes so many times to students and young artists that I know who were worried about people accepting their works that I have completely lost the source material that they came from. Consequently, I know that I have probably altered each anecdote unconciously. Does anybody know where these quotes reside in books? I'd love to reacquaint myself with the 'originals' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 29 23:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04819; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:01:00 EST Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b6.108ad485.27a7967c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <5WibUC.A.qKB.Zyjd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b6.108ad485.27a7967c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rick.....to go along with your missive is a wonderful quote from the article: Playing During Speeches, and a Great Movie by Matthias Grob "WE ARE USEFUL WHEREVER WE CAN PLAY SINCERELY!" --part1_b6.108ad485.27a7967c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rick.....to go along with your missive is a wonderful quote from the article:

Playing During Speeches, and a Great Movie

by Matthias Grob


"WE ARE USEFUL WHEREVER WE CAN PLAY SINCERELY!"




--part1_b6.108ad485.27a7967c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 00:48:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07882; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:45:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lee Barnes" To: "Midiguitar@Yahoogroups. Com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" , "Digital-Guitar@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Internal GK-2a's and where to find them... Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:39:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <93xdYC.A.66B.cSld6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, Please, pardon the huge cross-post on this one, it would seem that the elusive internal GK-2a's are available from Washington Music Center ("Chuck Levin's) http://www.wmcworld.com in Wheaton, MD. The price tag was $150.00 (USA) + shipping and handling, and it would seem that they have to order them from Roland directly, so there is about a week or so of delay time before they UPS it to you. Sorry, couldn't remember which list was the one that was asking about them. Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 01:26:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08932; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADB5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:28:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > . . . but water itself doesn't exist . . . > > >stig pretty abstract point of vew... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 03:00:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10743; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:57:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:47:20 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam: Seattle [Electrochakra @ Seattle Glassblowing Studio 2/1/01] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be performing at the Seattle Glassblowing Studio (2227 5th Avenue) this Thursday, February 1st, at 7PM. The glassblowing artisans will be demonstrating their considerable skills during the musical performance, which will occur in the spacious work area of the glass studio. We'll also have copies of our new CD available for purchase. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 03:14:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11391; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fe01c08a93$a6cdbaa0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <200101292114.QAA21938@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f601c0899b$6cf36300$0389e3a5@poo> Subject: attention tape loopers Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:07:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Radio shack has apparently cut the prices on the "endless loop" cassettes, designed for answering machines. I realize this isn't the same as a good old fashioned I just tried out one of the 15 second ones by taping part of a roadrunner cartoon. The playback is good quality and the gap is less than a full second. Pretty cool especially if one used reverb or delay to compensate. Too bad I got the last 15 second one here, I'm sure having like 8 of these going at once (provided you could get a bunch of cheap tape players) would be amazing. They have them as long as 3 and 5 minutes, I think. Good news for you one track improvisational live folks maybe. I'm going to give it a shot myself. Hey even if one breaks you can crack it open and maybe figure out how to wind up your own tapes this way? Just thought I'd share. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 06:10:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15149; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:08:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016f01c08aac$19955940$d2aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info box says: Sound Channels: no sound Is my PC bolloxed? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Repeater NAMM Demo >Hey loopers, >I posted a video of one of our NAMM Repeater demos to our web site. It's >rough and not really for public consumption so it's in our top secret area. >Just follow the link: >http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/NAMMWinter2001.mov From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 06:33:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15490; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:29:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:29:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.81] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:28:17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 11:28:17.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDC94CD0:01C08AAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rest assured fellow listers, I am trying to let this go before anyone feels irritated or patronized. Let me re-cap; In reaction to the suggestion that *the world is not Black & White; rather, it is Grays, Blacks and Whites*: I pointed out that the world IS made up of Black and white; and gray is one of the results. To illustrate this I said something to the effect of, Gray, in itself, doesn’t exist. Someone made the excellent [if slightly sarcastic] analogy- - - *Aha, so Water [hydrogen and oxygen] doesn’t exist? Only hydrogen and oxygen*. Water would not exist were it not for either hydrogen or oxygen. Oxygen is not dependent on either one for it’s existence. Nor is hydrogen. == Spin-off [intention]point: I have three old churches near me, and about once a month, they will ring their bells at the same time- quite by accident [a funeral, a wedding, an odd holiday]. When this cacophony goes off, it is unbelievably disturbing. All I heard, when I first moved here, was noise. But after a while, I began to hear the beginning of *Help Me Rhonda* [dead a la dent, da dent ta dent tah…]. At first it was faint. Now it is as if they are doing it on purpose. But, more important, I can’t imagine NOT hearing it now. I used to point it our to friends and family, and they would cock an eyebrow or smile. But after months of being patronized- and being somewhat haunted by it- I have now forced a couple people to really listen- - - and it’s always great fun to see them beam when they hear it [like those 3-D pictures of flower gardens- that turn into naked women]. They always compliment me on having heard it- and wonder how they could have missed it. Good for me. But did I compose this song? I think not. The notes were there, and you can hear *Help Me Rhonda* if you want- - - but *creation* would involve me choosing some of the timing or gongs. There would have had to have been SOME *intention*. This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- it’s a definition of what *creating music* is. Like the Gray/Black/White thing; it would be easy to think that I am saying that *Help Me Rhonda* doesn’t exist. No. But maybe it does mean *Funky Cold Medina* doesn’t exist. Also, all this says nothing about a humpbacks intentions. Their songs undoubtedly exist. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 08:04:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17748; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:00:31 EST Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA17711 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com someone ---referencing 'black', 'white' & 'gray'--- said: >People take, almost religious, pleasure in pointing out that the three >hues are on an equal standing. They aren't. This rallying cry, *Don't see >things only in black and white* has been mouthed for so long- - people >begin to believe that only gray exists. hmmm. why does this clever micro-truism does *not* ring true, to me? because that cliché- 'don't see things only in black & white'- in its implication of absolutism inherent within dualistic thinking, clearly means to bring up the subject of infinite *colors*, not infinite *grays* as you have spun, here. eh? best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 08:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18139; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:16:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA18074 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >someone ---referencing 'black', 'white' & 'gray'--- said: > >People take, almost religious, pleasure in pointing out that the three > >hues are on an equal standing. They aren't. This rallying cry, *Don't see > >things only in black and white* has been mouthed for so long- - people > >begin to believe that only gray exists. >hmmm. >why does this clever micro-truism does *not* ring true, to me? >because that cliché- >'don't see things only in black & white'- >in its implication of absolutism inherent within dualistic thinking, clearly >means to bring up the subject of infinite *colors*, not infinite *grays* as >you have spun, here. >eh? >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL >in fact, "black & white" (as a metaphor for absolutes) rarely >exist in this world - everything is , indeed, a shade of gray, >green, yellow, blue, red - i find it a bit disturbing that someone >is pounding his fist here saying that "black & white" IS the way of >reality. dt is correct here, "clearly means to bring up the subject of infinite *colors*, not infinite *grays* ..." to speak of things in only absolutes edges towards facism...... traig Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 10:24:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21282; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:22:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:16:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site trying to find out the following: For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a single small mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself and I send a mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon MPX1) on my aux 1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of delay that is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the looper could do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as possible so that the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and tricks page, is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with a looper in a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone after drone to underscore a lead sound? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 10:39:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21641; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:37:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:37:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: References: Subject: Re: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:55:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 15:35:39.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C7B05F0:01C08AD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com too late ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: good intentions Rest assured fellow listers, I am trying to let this go before anyone feels irritated or patronized. Let me re-cap; In reaction to the suggestion that *the world is not Black & White; rather, it is Grays, Blacks and Whites*: I pointed out that the world IS made up of Black and white; and gray is one of the results. To illustrate this I said something to the effect of, Gray, in itself, doesn't exist. Someone made the excellent [if slightly sarcastic] analogy- - - *Aha, so Water [hydrogen and oxygen] doesn't exist? Only hydrogen and oxygen*. Water would not exist were it not for either hydrogen or oxygen. Oxygen is not dependent on either one for it's existence. Nor is hydrogen. == Spin-off [intention]point: I have three old churches near me, and about once a month, they will ring their bells at the same time- quite by accident [a funeral, a wedding, an odd holiday]. When this cacophony goes off, it is unbelievably disturbing. All I heard, when I first moved here, was noise. But after a while, I began to hear the beginning of *Help Me Rhonda* [dead a la dent, da dent ta dent tah.]. At first it was faint. Now it is as if they are doing it on purpose. But, more important, I can't imagine NOT hearing it now. I used to point it our to friends and family, and they would cock an eyebrow or smile. But after months of being patronized- and being somewhat haunted by it- I have now forced a couple people to really listen- - - and it's always great fun to see them beam when they hear it [like those 3-D pictures of flower gardens- that turn into naked women]. They always compliment me on having heard it- and wonder how they could have missed it. Good for me. But did I compose this song? I think not. The notes were there, and you can hear *Help Me Rhonda* if you want- - - but *creation* would involve me choosing some of the timing or gongs. There would have had to have been SOME *intention*. This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- it's a definition of what *creating music* is. Like the Gray/Black/White thing; it would be easy to think that I am saying that *Help Me Rhonda* doesn't exist. No. But maybe it does mean *Funky Cold Medina* doesn't exist. Also, all this says nothing about a humpbacks intentions. Their songs undoubtedly exist. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 10:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21901; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:44:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:44:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:42:54 +0000 Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016f01c08aac$19955940$d2aa5cd1@-> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info box says: > Sound Channels: no sound > Is my PC bolloxed? Bolloxed???? you been hanging round with Brits again, Bill???? :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22827; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:04:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:04:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:03:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 16:03:03.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[201D4F00:01C08AD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have found experimentation is the best way. There is no right or wrong, only right for you and wrong for you. Each time I put my looper in a different spot, I learn something new about what differnt things I can create. Through this I find the means that best suits the situation. But to make it easier on myself, I put most of the gear I wanted to re-arrange into a patch bay for ease of change. This allowed me to change things on the fly. But as for new ways to use a looper in a live setup, your only limited by your imagination(and sometimes by your equipment:). Good Luck Pete. >From: "M. Steven Ginn" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: How to place Looper in audio path? >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:16:39 -0600 > >I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site >trying to find out the following: > >For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a >looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a single small >mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself and I send a >mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house >system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon MPX1) on my aux >1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a >looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal >going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole >layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of delay that >is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the looper could >do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as possible so that >the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. >Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and tricks page, >is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with a looper in >a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone after drone >to underscore a lead sound? > >Thanks, > >Steve > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22856; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:05:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:05:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:55:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8aAAfC.A.ZkF.yXud6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would it be too rude to ask what the Repeater is going to be used for by those upset by the delay in shipping? Is it being used in a professional environment, where the absence of such equipment would cause economic hardship (ie: time, labor, and money spent on doing it via another method)? Or is it a new looper, adding to/replacing/complimenting your existing rig/studio? Is it your first looper? rich >I can only imagine how difficult it must be to try and put a timeline on >something, but I would rather have the worst possible info and be >pleasantly surprised than to receive the most optimistic info and be >sorely dissapointed. If Damon were to communicate the current >punch-list that they (the engineers) are working on and some approximate >timelines to go with the issues, then we would have a much better idea >of what to expect and more apt to be patient. > >Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23543; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:28:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:28:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0d0901c08ad8$791237e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:19:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0DZVCB.A.jvF.ntud6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a wonderful discussion... > Rest assured fellow listers, I am trying to let this go before anyone feels > irritated or patronized. ... so long as we don't get irritated or feel patronized! > In reaction to the suggestion that *the world is not Black & White; rather, > it is Grays, Blacks and Whites*: I pointed out that the world IS made up of > Black and white; and gray is one of the results. To illustrate this I said > something to the effect of, Gray, in itself, doesn't exist. Someone made the > excellent [if slightly sarcastic] analogy- - - *Aha, so Water [hydrogen and > oxygen] doesn't exist? Only hydrogen and oxygen*. > > Water would not exist were it not for either hydrogen or oxygen. Oxygen is > not dependent on either one for it's existence. Nor is hydrogen. I think this analogy has out lived it's usefulness. I could point out that *white* doesn't exist. It's actually all colors and black is the absence of any colors. Then somebody might point out that that's true only for light and not pigments. And somebody else might say, "But we left out ultraviolet and infrared!" and did I hear somebody yell, "Quarks!" and before you know it, we're talking about modern physics (or chemistry) instead of music! (Does *deconstruction* always lead to science?? :) As a dangerous side-side-topic: Some languages have a small number of words for colors. I understand that the minimum number of color words is three. And they're not black/white/gray! Instead, they're black/white/red. The idea is that red represents blood, life, etc. Intriguing, eh? Besides, isn't all language a metaphor? And what does that make music? > I have three old churches near me, and about once a month, they will ring > their bells at the same time- quite by accident [a funeral, a wedding, an >. . . I really enjoyed this story! I'd have liked to see the "light go on" in the listener's eyes! > But did I compose this song? I think not. The notes were there, and you can > hear *Help Me Rhonda* if you want- - - but *creation* would involve me > choosing some of the timing or gongs. There would have had to have been SOME > *intention*. This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- it's a > definition of what *creating music* is. Like the Gray/Black/White thing; it > would be easy to think that I am saying that *Help Me Rhonda* doesn't exist. > . . . I see conventional composing as quite an intentional activity. I agree with you regarding, "But did I compose this song? I think not." I suppose that even Cageian (sp?) activities such as rolling dice to select parts for a performance is *intention*. After all, it IS a selection process. We might call the composer's judgement into question but not his/her intentional efforts. I like your distinction: "This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- it's a definition of what *creating music* is." But I'm not sure that all music is *created* in the sense of *composed*. In a nutshell, I'll say that I believe all *composed* music is intentional (or willful) but all music is not *composed* music. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:50:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24253; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.76] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:46:59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 16:46:59.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[43821290:01C08ADC] Resent-Message-ID: <_QjhjB.A.v5F.hAvd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi...just one litle thing to add to all of this "black&white&read all over" missive....I am extraordinarily color blind. There are many shades and colors which I do not, have not, and will not see. But there are thousands of shades and micro shades of gray that I do see. The thing is, y'see, color itself does not really exist. An object that to my perception is, let's say "grey #3" at 9:30 am in the morning sun will be perhaps grey#68 or even red or green by 10:30 that same morning. To me, black and white, red and green, blue and grey are perceptions of color and light which are dynamic and constantly changing. Color is a perception of the refraction of light as interpreted by the visual cortex of our brain (ah..those dastardly rods 'n cones!). To me this perception is constantly in flux...constantly changing. Much like improvised music it is never the same way once! Think about it.....and loop crazy! Max Valentino _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:50:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24259; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7AM0xB.A.p6F.8Avd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you use a patch bay for playing live? Isn't it a bit cumbersome to move patch cables around in the middle of or between songs? Steve > make it easier on myself, I put most of the gear I wanted to > re-arrange into > a patch bay for ease of change. This allowed me to change > things on the fly. > But as for new ways to use a looper in a live setup, your > only limited by > your imagination(and sometimes by your equipment:). > Good Luck > Pete. > > > >From: "M. Steven Ginn" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: How to place Looper in audio path? > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:16:39 -0600 > > > >I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site > >trying to find out the following: > > > >For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a > >looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a > single small > >mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself > and I send a > >mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house > >system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon > MPX1) on my aux > >1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a > >looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal > >going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole > >layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of > delay that > >is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the > looper could > >do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as > possible so that > >the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. > >Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and > tricks page, > >is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with > a looper in > >a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone > after drone > >to underscore a lead sound? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Steve > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 11:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24254; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130084537.01f27b20@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:46:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo In-Reply-To: <016f01c08aac$19955940$d2aa5cd1@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox (03:02 AM 01.30.2001) wrote: >Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info >box says: >Sound Channels: no sound >Is my PC bolloxed? Yeup, it's on your end Bill... There's sound all through the demo. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 12:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25116; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:00:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:00:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130084537.01f27b20@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its happening with me too- no sound... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > Bill Fox (03:02 AM 01.30.2001) wrote: > > >Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info > >box says: > >Sound Channels: no sound > >Is my PC bolloxed? > > Yeup, it's on your end Bill... There's sound all through the demo. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 12:45:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26309; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:41:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:41:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:36:13 -0800 Subject: Repeater Demo sound From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there, Make sure you're using Quicktime4 (free download from Apple) to play the Repeater demo video, or you might miss out on the audio track. Hope that helps, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Graphic Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 12:48:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26492; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:45:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:45:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [152.163.197.84] From: "Joe Osborne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:43:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 17:43:26.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[26466CA0:01C08AE4] Resent-Message-ID: <7ZfiQD.A.YcG.b1vd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At this point I can't help but to believe that this thread is looking more and more like a justification for random noise. To use a quote made in regards to another subject (in this case I'll apply it to music), "I don't know what it is. But I know it when I see (hear) it". Just because something may or may not be commercially successful does not validate it. As a guitarist I was mortified when Kurt Cobane (after killing himself) was compared to Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix was a genius. Kurt Cobane was anything but. As Wynton Marsallis once said, "Some of the music out there now is like The Emperor's New Clothes. Just because we see flashy images, or we need to be convinced its real music doesn't justify it. Sometimes bad music is just that. Bad music. And often very few people are willing to go against the popular media and say just that. This music is awful." If one feels the need to validate what they're doing it seems to me to be a level of insecurity. If one is comfortable with they're own talent, and effort, than they're is no one that needs convincing. Unless of course the very argument they make is being made just to convince themselves. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28168; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:31:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:29:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 18:29:56.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4FDCA10:01C08AEA] Resent-Message-ID: <4Za1sD.A.63G.Bhwd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The basis for our project is improvisation. There are no "songs" so to speak. So we all allow each other the freedom to do whatever it takes to make us happy;) So taking a minute and a half to switch a few 1 foot patch cords is no big deal compared to the 3 hour set we prefer to do. And the music never stops,so while I'm modifying my setup, the others are still jammin' on. Granted, this may work in my situation and not yours, but I would imagine that one could pull it off on stage if one knew the diagram for each individual song, and took 20-30 seconds to make the quick switch.The other option is to have several aux sends:) Pete. >From: "M. Steven Ginn" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:57 -0600 > >So you use a patch bay for playing live? Isn't it a bit cumbersome to >move patch cables around in the middle of or between songs? > >Steve > > > make it easier on myself, I put most of the gear I wanted to > > re-arrange into > > a patch bay for ease of change. This allowed me to change > > things on the fly. > > But as for new ways to use a looper in a live setup, your > > only limited by > > your imagination(and sometimes by your equipment:). > > Good Luck > > Pete. > > > > > > >From: "M. Steven Ginn" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: How to place Looper in audio path? > > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:16:39 -0600 > > > > > >I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site > > >trying to find out the following: > > > > > >For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a > > >looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a > > single small > > >mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself > > and I send a > > >mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house > > >system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon > > MPX1) on my aux > > >1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a > > >looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal > > >going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole > > >layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of > > delay that > > >is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the > > looper could > > >do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as > > possible so that > > >the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. > > >Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and > > tricks page, > > >is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with > > a looper in > > >a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone > > after drone > > >to underscore a lead sound? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Steve > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:42:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28421; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:39:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:39:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADBA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:36:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.926DF040" Resent-Message-ID: <5WwwGB.A.m7G.Kowd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.926DF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" ** thank you! this also reminds me that i wonder if any of us see the same "red" in any event (i don't mean in the case of "color blindness"). do i see the same "red" that picasso did? was his somehow richer? when we hear notes, many of us hear them differently: messian heard "colors" when he heard certain notes or chords; rimsky-korsakov associated certain colors with certain keys (d major was red-gold, i believe) - - as did some other composers of his day (scriabin?) - - whether or not it really meant that they heard that specific color when they heard a piece of music i don't know. however, if you liosten to some of rimsky's music, the way he treeated d major was definitly telling. jes' some thoughts. stig Hi...just one litle thing to add to all of this "black&white&read all over" missive....I am extraordinarily color blind. There are many shades and colors which I do not, have not, and will not see. But there are thousands of shades and micro shades of gray that I do see. The thing is, y'see, color itself does not really exist. An object that to my perception is, let's say "grey #3" at 9:30 am in the morning sun will be perhaps grey#68 or even red or green by 10:30 that same morning. To me, black and white, red and green, blue and grey are perceptions of color and light which are dynamic and constantly changing. Color is a perception of the refraction of light as interpreted by the visual cortex of our brain (ah..those dastardly rods 'n cones!). To me this perception is constantly in flux...constantly changing. Much like improvised music it is never the same way once! Think about it.....and loop crazy! Max Valentino _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.926DF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: good intentions

** thank you!

this also reminds me that i wonder if any of us see = the same "red" in any event (i don't mean in the case of = "color blindness"). do i see the same "red" that = picasso did? was his somehow richer? when we hear notes, many of us = hear them differently: messian heard "colors" when he heard = certain notes or chords; rimsky-korsakov associated certain colors with = certain keys (d major was red-gold, i believe) - - as did some other = composers of his day (scriabin?) - -  whether or not it really = meant that they heard that specific color when they heard a piece of = music i don't know. however, if you liosten to some of rimsky's music, = the way he treeated d major was definitly telling.

jes' some thoughts.

stig


Hi...just one litle thing to add to all of this = "black&white&read all over"
missive....I am extraordinarily color blind. There = are many shades and
colors which I do not, have not, and will not = see.  But there are thousands
of shades and micro shades of gray that I do = see.  The thing is, y'see,
color itself does not really exist.  An object = that to my perception is,
let's say "grey #3" at 9:30 am in the = morning sun will be perhaps grey#68 or
even red or green by 10:30 that same morning. To me, = black and white, red
and green, blue and grey are perceptions of color = and light which are
dynamic and constantly changing. Color is a = perception of the refraction of
light as interpreted by the visual cortex of our = brain (ah..those dastardly
rods 'n cones!). To me this perception is constantly = in flux...constantly
changing.  Much like improvised music it is = never the same way once!
Think about it.....and loop crazy!
Max Valentino


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.926DF040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:43:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28484; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:40:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:40:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADBB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.BE41E0F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.BE41E0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As Wynton Marsallis once said, "Some of the music out there now is like The Emperor's New Clothes. Just because we see flashy images, or we need to be convinced its real music doesn't justify it. Sometimes bad music is just that. Bad music. And often very few people are willing to go against the popular media and say just that. This music is awful." ** i'm not gonna get into the hendrix/cobain thing . . . . but, ya know, to a lot of people wynton is sort of an example of the emperor's new clothes. it's not that he can't play or isn't talented, it's just that he's revisionist. i don't know what he's really offering. If one feels the need to validate what they're doing it seems to me to be a level of insecurity. If one is comfortable with they're own talent, and effort, than they're is no one that needs convincing. Unless of course the very argument they make is being made just to convince themselves. ** if one gets "attacked," is one not able to make some sort of counterpoint to the original complaint? i believe that charlie parker was criticised for some of his playing and HE had to articulate what he was doing and why . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.BE41E0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: good intentions

As Wynton Marsallis once said, "Some of the = music out there now is like
The Emperor's New Clothes. Just because we see = flashy images, or we need to
be convinced its real music doesn't justify it. = Sometimes bad music is just
that. Bad music. And often very few people are = willing to go against the
popular media and say just that. This music is = awful."


** i'm not gonna get into the hendrix/cobain thing . = . . .

but, ya know, to a lot of people wynton is sort of an = example of the emperor's new clothes. it's not that he can't play or = isn't talented, it's just that he's revisionist. i don't know what he's = really offering.

 If one feels the need to validate what they're = doing it seems to me to be a level of insecurity.
If one is comfortable with they're own talent, = and
effort, than they're is no one that needs = convincing. Unless of course the
very argument they make is being made just to = convince themselves.

** if one gets "attacked," is one not able = to make some sort of counterpoint to the original complaint? i believe = that charlie parker was criticised for some of his playing and HE had = to articulate what he was doing and why . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AEB.BE41E0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:47:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28637; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7786EC.2FCDD0C1@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:30:52 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How to place Looper in audio path? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pete Mundt wrote: > > The basis for our project is improvisation. There are no "songs" so to > speak. So we all allow each other the freedom to do whatever it takes to > make us happy;) So taking a minute and a half to switch a few 1 foot patch > cords is no big deal compared to the 3 hour set we prefer to do. And the > music never stops,so while I'm modifying my setup, the others are still > jammin' on. Granted, this may work in my situation and not yours, but I > would imagine that one could pull it off on stage if one knew the diagram > for each individual song, and took 20-30 seconds to make the quick > switch.The other option is to have several aux sends:) > Pete. an expensive but versatile solution is a programable patchbay www.soundsculpture.com http://www.cmautomation.com/main.html Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:52:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28979; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:50:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:50:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c08aec$d662fba0$b00c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: What Is Music (was intentions--perception--disappointed--gig spam) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:45:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Music People-- It was Louis Armstrong who called what Charlie Parker was doing "Chinese music" and he wasn't trying to be complimentary. Taste is acquired and it's all about what you like. I think this thread is the grandchild of my reaction to a Knitting Factory gig. In the ensuing weeks I have come to accept what I was exposed to was their idea of art, even tho it wasn't mine. All God's chillun get to define what they think is art, and if other people think it's good, they get to appreciate it together. I gotta think that (like with the harmonic series or the periodic table of elements) it all starts with "one", and then it gets split into two, and variations result from the dichotomy--hey, like boys and girls and others! On a more loop oriented note, I had the pleasure of doing my first paying gig here in LA last night, and I incorporated loop music into my program. It was a retirement party for a guy who was moving to Hawaii to grow coffee after working at Lockheed Federal Credit Union, so I created 8 bars of "Aloha Oe" at one point--also just some noodle music--this was between sequences. Actually, I started the evening with a improvised loop, and I think it's a good way to go for a sequenced solo act. From what I can tell, there is a mistrust of the solo performer who augments his performance with technology, so my generating a cloud of "big music" to start, especially a piece which was unidentifiable (if fairly normal/consonant), created interest and ignorability (is this a word? How about ambience) simultaneously, and showed that the music was at least partly dependent on my live performance. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:53:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29126; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:51:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:51:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADBB@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADBB@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:41:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: good intentions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >but, ya know, to a lot of people wynton is sort of an example of the >emperor's new clothes. it's not that he can't play or isn't >talented, it's just that he's revisionist. i don't know what he's >really offering. My only two complaints about the Ken Burn's JAZZ movie ending this week on PBS. 1. Two hours straight of terribly interesting and entertaining information with no breaks doesn't allow for a trip to the toilet. Thus, i would recommend keeping the beer consumption to a minimum for such things... 2. Wynton is a blowhard. I'm a big fan of jazz, but geez, dude, what are you smoking? other than that, it's been the best thing on the tube in years... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 13:56:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29474; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:54:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:54:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130104047.01f233f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:51:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (07:55 AM 01/30/01) wrote: >Would it be too rude to ask what the Repeater is going to be used for >by those upset by the delay in shipping? I changed the subject because I'm not upset by the shipping delay, but I think that looking at how folks will use Repeater is worthwhile. Outside of the straight out looping functions, I'm looking at Repeater as a sound design tool. One of the things that Damon and I got REALLY sidetracked on was the nature of being able to change tempo without changing pitch. In the demo movie, there is a really quick look at what this can be like, but you really need to spend a few minutes listening to _drastically_ slowed down loops to get a handle on this. Take a 4 bar drum loop at 134bpm, then push it down to 1bpm. Listening to a kick drum build and evolve over a minute of wall clock time is _wild_. Add to that the ability for Repeater to work as master clock, and thus be able to clock an effect like a flange, and you're looking at a very cool effect. Remember also that Repeater and resample into itself... So, keep the loop running at 134bpm, hang a flanger on the effects loop, trigger the flange in sync, and resample the results. Now time shift that down to 1bpm, and you get a wonderful, blossoming, colorful sound that you simply have to hear. There's a lot in this box... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:04:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30362; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:02:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:02:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:00:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 19:00:37.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE872E20:01C08AEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Now time shift that down to 1bpm, and you get a wonderful, blossoming, >colorful sound that you simply have to hear. There's a lot in this box... > >Mark > Please post a link to an mp3 of this! I think alot of us would like to hear that! We must! :) Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:06:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30426; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:03:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:03:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4844@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: What Is Music (was intentions--perception--disappointed--gig spam) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:02:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey cool, I missed the ken bruns jazz specials (not really), so this is like the samwe thing , only email DT -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What Is Music (was intentions--perception--disappointed--gig spam) Hey there Music People-- It was Louis Armstrong who called what Charlie Parker was doing "Chinese music" and he wasn't trying to be complimentary. Taste is acquired and it's all about what you like. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:12:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31178; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:11:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: good intentions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >This is a wonderful discussion... Indeed! >I suppose that even Cageian (sp?) activities such as rolling dice to select >parts for a performance is *intention*. After all, it IS a selection >process. We might call the composer's judgement into question but not >his/her intentional efforts. > >I like your distinction: "This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- >it's a definition of what *creating music* is." But I'm not sure that all >music is *created* in the sense of *composed*. In a nutshell, I'll say that >I believe all *composed* music is intentional (or willful) but all music is >not *composed* music. What if we change the definition from intent on the composer side to intent on the listener side? i.e, "this is music because I hear it as such," as opposed to "This is music because i composed it as such." I always loved Cage's comment (and i am paraphrasing because my copy of Silence is loaned out at the moment), "Is a cement truck music? Is a cement truck music if it is driving past a music school?" ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31151; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:08:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:59:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, my wife's new g3 powerbook is arriving tomorrow. anybody have any good advice on getting at least a two-channel signal in and out? Is the powerbooks mic/line converters any better than my ol' PPC 7100/66? i thought i knew of a product that was just like a little dongle...a DATport? two channels into a usb cable? anybody know? maker? url? excited about using Imovie...images and sound....hmmmm. don't know where this thought came from, but: you're taking a trip, you have room for 9 cd's in your travel bag with your portable player. 3 groups of 3: the first 3 are 'desert island' discs...perfect favorites. the second group of 3 is current faves, stuff you've been listening to or stuck on. the last 3 are a gift for your host at your imaginary destination...you're going to give the discs to them, to turn them onto something cool you've found. here goes for me! desert island: miles-kind of blue eno and byrne-my life in the bush of ghosts charlie parker-with strings faves for the road trip: beck-mutations buena vista social club kruder and dorfmiester-the k and d sessions the gifts: flanger-midnight sound thievery corporation-the mirror conspiracy joey defrancesco-goodfellas anybody game for a round of favorites?...yes...sometimes i have too much time on my hands. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:14:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31502; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200101301908.LAA17754@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:15:08 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Rick "Loop.pooL" for such a great post. There are times I say to myself that I will never be as good as Fripp, Legg, (fill in your favorite musician) so why bother? Why not just sell all those expensive toys, move on and forget about it. Thank you for the reality check! > We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as > a culture in public. Yes, but this has been replaced with talking on a cell phone in public. Now, what does THAT mean? -Allan ---------- >From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" >To: >Subject: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING >Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001, 6:30 PM > ... > My point following these anecdotes is that the only thing we must do as > artist is to 'put it out there'. We live in a very dysfunctional and > perfectionistic culture that says you should only put energy into any > endeavor if you have a chance to be the best (to win the olympics, to > sell a million records, to be the fastest guitar player). There is > very little support for people to just make music or write songs > because it is good for the soul to do so. Consequently, the piano > that used to be in many homes in America has virtually dissappeared, > funding for musical and art education has been drastically cut back. > We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in > public. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:17:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32336; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:15:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:15:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: References: Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:33:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 19:13:46.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5158580:01C08AF0] Resent-Message-ID: <5T_QOC.A.D1H.IKxd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone repost this original review of the Repeater Demo...I must have missed it. I too would love a listen. Thanks, Gregg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Mundt" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) >Now time shift that down to 1bpm, and you get a wonderful, blossoming, >colorful sound that you simply have to hear. There's a lot in this box... > >Mark > Please post a link to an mp3 of this! I think alot of us would like to hear that! We must! :) Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:17:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32079; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:14:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:14:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A771429.E2A2A084@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:21:26 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > But did I compose this song? I think not. The notes were there, and you can > hear *Help Me Rhonda* if you want- - - but *creation* would involve me > choosing some of the timing or gongs. There would have had to have been SOME > *intention*. This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- it’s a > definition of what *creating music* is. Like the Gray/Black/White thing; it > would be easy to think that I am saying that *Help Me Rhonda* doesn’t exist. > No. > > But maybe it does mean *Funky Cold Medina* doesn’t exist. > > Also, all this says nothing about a humpbacks intentions. Their songs > undoubtedly exist. > one final thought from me on this stuff (for now :-) one thing i was pondering after robert's recent post "using lance (me) as an example" of someone who no longer sees black & white but only shades of grey (which i infer to be a statement that this is a development in human culture which has seen its time & we need to get to a place of seeing things in clearer, i.e. more dualistic terms- correct me if i'm inaccurate in that...); doesn't the history of western music show that human discovery & expression goes through cycles (looping content noted) of seeing things simply and clearly FOLLOWED by seeing the range of possibilities in, around and OUTSIDE of those canonical ideas? didn't the concept of western harmony evolve into something very definite, with clear rules and parameters, yet not last too awfully long in that pure state before composers began stretching the boundaries and breaking the rules of the game, because it had become more *interesting* that way? it seems, (forgive my generalization) that, at least for western (northern?) civilization, we've been in a period of intense rule-breaking for quite some time (place your historical markers where you may), and that some of us now believe that we need to get back to a clear system of values...i watched the PBS jazz thing last night and noted that there was a lot of disagreement about ornette coleman's free jazz ideas. i noticed they didn't even ASK the marsalis contingent to comment :-)...the pain of feeling like everything's going to shit because no one wants to "play by the rules" is very real, and i don't begrudge anyone their own true expression of that. i just know personally that i'm in a different place... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00638; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADBD@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:18:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08AF1.6A8B0120" Resent-Message-ID: <1KnBqB.A.dJ.XPxd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AF1.6A8B0120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in > public. ** this reminds me that i heard a piece on npr (shudder!) about tibet. the guy who was driving the reporter around apparently sang ALL THE TIME. he had a song for every occasion. pretty cool. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AF1.6A8B0120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING

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** this reminds me that i heard a piece on npr = (shudder!) about tibet. the guy who was driving the reporter around = apparently sang ALL THE TIME. he had a song for every occasion. pretty = cool.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C08AF1.6A8B0120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:23:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00621; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:23:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: How to place Looper in audio path? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a >looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a single small >mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself and I send a >mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house >system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon MPX1) on my aux >1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a >looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal >going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole >layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of delay that >is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the looper could >do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as possible so that >the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. >Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and tricks page, >is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with a looper in >a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone after drone >to underscore a lead sound? > I do live looping in 2 contexts, as a bassist in a trio, and doing electronics in various improv settings. Sometimes I do both at the same time. In my bass setup, the loopers (in this case a DL-4 and a bommerang) are the last items in my signal chain before my amp. Since there's just one sound source, the bass, there's no need for a mixer, and I mix loops in and out using the front panels of the loopers. In the electronics setup, which I'd guess is closer to your system, I have the loopers (JamMan, Vortex, and occaisionally DL-4) fed from Aux sends from my mixer, and returned into mixer channels instead of the Aux sends. The reason I do this is so that any input on the mixer can be looped, and the loops can be fed through other processors, even fed back into themselves, which can be interesting. The problem is that this requires a lot of Aux's and a lot of (preferably stereo) input channels. I still haven't found a portable mixer that really works in this context, I'm currently using either a Mackie 1202 (only 2 sends, so I end up using Y-cables to split the sends), or a Mackie 1604 (physically too big, no stereo input channels), depending on how big a setup I'm using. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:23:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00629; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130110752.01f40220@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:15:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pete Mundt (11:00 AM 01/30/01) wrote: >>Now time shift that down to 1bpm, and you get a wonderful, blossoming, >>colorful sound that you simply have to hear. >>There's a lot in this box... > >Please post a link to an mp3 of this! I think alot of us would like to >hear that! We must! :) Damon or Jamie will have to... I don't have a Repeater. :) One thing though, from my experience the MP3 encoding process (in this case) will do a good job at introducing artifacts which are NOT in the original sound. So, when/if someone posts this up, please keep that in mind. I say this because the resulting sound is full of harmonics that drive MP3 encoders NUTS. Just know that the result of doing this process on Repeater produces *NO* typical aliasing artifacts. I met and talked to one of their DSP geeks at NAMM... They have a solid handle on what they're doing. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:38:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02323; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6.11773796.27a870f8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:33:12 EST Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.11773796.27a870f8_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_6.11773796.27a870f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 2:12:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, ahoeltje@best.com writes that rick loop pool walker wrote: > We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in public. > > the last time i was whistling and i might add whistling quite well, thank you very much, i walked past my now ex-boss and he said "lose it", i turned to him in befuddelment and he said "the whistle!".....talk about casting pearls before swine.....rick, you have set me free, i am going to the mall tonite and walk around and whistle whats left of my brains out.....thanks.....:).....michael --part1_6.11773796.27a870f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 2:12:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ahoeltje@best.com writes that rick loop pool walker wrote:


We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in public.



the last time i was whistling and i might add whistling quite well, thank you
very much, i walked past my now ex-boss and he said "lose it", i turned to
him in befuddelment and he said "the whistle!".....talk about casting pearls
before swine.....rick, you have set me free, i am going to the mall tonite
and walk around and whistle whats left of my brains
out.....thanks.....:).....michael --part1_6.11773796.27a870f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 14:49:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02835; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:44:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:44:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:41:24 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA02788 Resent-Message-ID: <346VEB.A.1r.skxd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in public. > the last time i was whistling and i might add whistling quite well, thank you very much, i walked past my now ex-boss and he said "lose it", i turned to him in befuddelment and he said "the whistle!".....talk about casting pearls before swine.....rick, you have set me free, i am going to the mall tonite and walk around and whistle whats left of my brains out.....thanks.....:).....michael I'm a public whistler-hummer (as was my dad), and LOVE the happy abandon with which my son goes about his activities... there's always some form of sound coming from him. It's painful to believe (and I think this is true) that a certain large percent of our adult population are actually embarrassed FOR others they see engaging in this activity. Talk about not only missing the point and denying oneself something great... they're actually shouldering the weight of OTHER folks silly pleasures... I've seen this in action and it's SAD. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03713; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:56:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:56:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:59:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: good intentions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:43 AM 1/30/01, Joe Osborne wrote: >At this point I can't help but to believe that this thread is looking more >and more like a justification for random noise. To use a quote made in >regards to another subject (in this case I'll apply it to music), "I don't >know what it is. But I know it when I see (hear) it". Just because something >may or may not be commercially successful does not validate it. OK, here's a thought exercise. Why do we need a definition of music? I mean really, what purpose does it serve to say that something is or is not music? I have yet to find a definition stated that doesn't exclude something that I can think of as being possibly musical. And what's wrong with justifiying random noise? A lot of stuff that I listen to and enjoy gets written off as random noise. Any auditory experience can be musical, if you let it be so. If you enjoy listening to it, fine. If not, you can always leave the envirionment. I find an attitude among a lot of people, far too many of them musicians, that "what is music" and "what is not music" have to be strictly defined, and those of us making anything falling on the "not-music" side of their definition are somehow cheating the world by doing what we do. I really don't understand this, even after years of often heated debate with musicians and listeners. Musicians in the avant-garde are almost always making no money, and are definitely not taking gigs and recording contracts away from more conventional musicians. >As a >guitarist I was mortified when Kurt Cobane (after killing himself) was >compared to Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix was a genius. Kurt Cobane was anything >but. It's spelled "Cobain." And I think there are comparisons: both made music that, whether or not you personally liked it, spoke to a lot of people. Both had self destructive traits that tragically ended their lives far too early, leaving a lot of music unmade. Cabain didn't revolutionize the guitar, and probably didn't intend to. But he did write some terrific songs that expressed a hell of a lot of anger ond frustration, and spoke for a lot of people, myself included. >As Wynton Marsallis once said, "Some of the music out there now is like >The Emperor's New Clothes. Just because we see flashy images, or we need to >be convinced its real music doesn't justify it. Sometimes bad music is just >that. Bad music. And often very few people are willing to go against the >popular media and say just that. This music is awful." If one feels the need >to validate what they're doing it seems to me to be a level of insecurity. >If one is comfortable with they're own talent, and >effort, than they're is no one that needs convincing. Unless of course the >very argument they make is being made just to convince themselves. Quoting Wynton in an esthetic argument is a pretty dangerous thing, since he's generally shown himself to be one of the more close-minded thinkers in recent jazz. I can't fault him as a player in anyway, though I don't personally like much of what he's recorded. But I really wish he didn't appoint himself as a crusader to save Jazz from itself. For instance, Miles Davis' electric period is some of the music that has influenced me most profoundly. I still remember the first time I heard "Bitches Brew" and being totally engaged, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. I still get this kind of response to this music, and it's had an enormous impact on the music I make. Is my response to this somehow invalid because Marsalis doesn't like it? ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05198; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:20:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:20:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A771486.5D4E@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:22:49 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think its obvious the intention is on both sides of the equation, say you record a loop and then manipulate it, slow it down, reverse it, speed it up, run it thru various filters, are you composing this or responding to it? do you know exactly what it is going to sound like after the manipulation or is it a good part experimentation, sure you have educated reasoning(sometimes) but you are also responding, hey that sounds cool or ouch that didn't work. how often have you been practising, learning a new technique, doing finger exercises, learning new chords, whatever and it leads you into a compositional experience? what is and isn't music is semantics, what is and isn't good changes from person to person and is situational as well, I have a friend who plays speedmetal, I hate it, he finds it carthartic. I was riding in the car w/ my daughter the other day and she was playing a CD that was all beat and little else, started to drive me nuts after a while and I commented that I thought it was simplistic almost moronic, she responded yeah but its fun to dance to and I could see that(I still pulled the CD, sorry hon but we're not dancing right now!) if we had been in a dance club it would have worked and that was probably what she was mentally experiencing music is sound, perhaps arranged sound, I think there are very few things that all people would agree are good or bad, what resonates for me is prob somewhat similar to what resonates for most of you but I can't discount what resonates for others, I can lament the music in the popular culture but I lament alot of things in the popular culture. I think we respond to sound/music and I think that response is important, I think it differs from person to person for many reasons, its all music, granted some was created with much more effort/experience than others, as a musician I take joy in the creative experience but I think its just as much the response(mine or others) that makes it music, good or bad peace ya'll t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06164; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:37:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:37:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:39:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: good intentions (extremes and mixtures) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like this analogy with colors. Valentinos color blindness shows how perception fills the words with meanings. David says there are at least 3 colors (and the mixture of it). This is a biology. There are 4 kinds of nerves in the eye, receptive for three frequency ranges (=colors) and one for brightness (=gray). The brightness nerve is much more sensitive that the color ones, that's why in our perception all is gray in the dark. For the physics, there is an infinite number of colors plus all mixtures of them, so 2 single points of light (L,R) are as rich as the whole music world we work in. You don't not find anything in real world that is absolutely reflecting (white) or not reflecting at all (black), so I say only gray exists! (or color, with frequency sensitivity). Robert says there is only black and white really. I am amazed, since I just learned from him that we should maintain the meanings that words "naturally" have. Black and White are leading concepts, gray is real. The yin-yang symbol fits... MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME : - In DIGITAL domain, only the extremes exist. Zero/One, On/Off, equal/different... - In NATURE only the mixtures exist. Nothing is exactly equal, perfect, dead,,,, While in digital domain we fight to reconstruct "natural" mixtures by combining more and more Zero/One codes, but never escape from the finite resolution, we try to fit the infinitely rich mixtures of nature into countable units of our perception (by measuring, writing scores, controller values...), never accurate enough to capture the chaotic nature of nature. So the two worlds are approaching, but continue clearly separated. This is fundamental to me because it shows how far mankind managed to get away from nature and why the cyberworld is so different and important for evolution. It seems to be the culmination, if not the aim of all technical efforts and its not only the quickest growing part of evolution at the moment but may even end up destroying the rest! The old idea that this tech world will end up serving Nature (or mankind as part of it) is too limited. It may as well serve for some much bigger goal in the universe. I am far from defending our destructive live style, but somehow I trust that the System would not let us spend in vain during a few decades what nature accumulated during millions of years... Don't you agree there must be a plan behind this? Our common efforts to adapt the concept of spiral and loop to the digital world to study it under the circumstances of perfection (infinitely repeating...) hopefully make part of the Plan. As we are all kids in relation to the Plan, we can go on playing now :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:53:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06849; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:49:46 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just read about the EgoSys USB audio interface, looks to be good, got a good review when used with sound manager, ASIO playback was shaky but that seems to be common with usb (sound manager playback was fine) don't recall the model name but it is a 2x20 bit analog, coax and optical S/PDIF and rrp was around $250 The sound in is for the apple mic so is a weird impedance so may be noisy if you use line in. The outputs are fine if hooked up to full sized monitors. Martin Shellard > From: rich > hi all, > > my wife's new g3 powerbook is arriving tomorrow. anybody have any > good advice on getting at least a two-channel signal in and out? Is > the powerbooks mic/line converters any better than my ol' PPC 7100/66? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07056; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vacation tunes... Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com TQ's list desert island: Replacements - Let It Be Genesis - Lamb Lies Down... Chis Squire - Fish out of Water faves for the road trip: Little Feat - Waiting for Columbus Love Deluxe - Sade XTC - Oranges and Lemons the gifts: Annie Lennox - Medusa Jeff Buckley - My Girlfreind the Drunk Kiss Alive II anybody game for a round of favorites?...yes...sometimes i have too much time on my hands. best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 15:56:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07223; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:52:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:52:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:34:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130104047.01f233f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is _wild_. Add > to that the ability for Repeater to work as master clock, and > thus be able > to clock an effect like a flange, and you're looking at a > very cool effect. > How is the tempo for the Repeater set? Is it a tap tempo that could be manually input via a footswitch, like "Tap" that you get with some effects processors, or is it strictly a dialed in BPM setting that you have to adjust on the face of the unit? Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08342; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130125339.01dc88e0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:54:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130104047.01f233f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (12:34 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >> is _wild_. Add >> to that the ability for Repeater to work as master clock, and >> thus be able >> to clock an effect like a flange, and you're looking at a >> very cool effect. > >How is the tempo for the Repeater set? Is it a tap tempo that could be >manually input via a footswitch, like "Tap" that you get with some >effects processors, or is it strictly a dialed in BPM setting that you >have to adjust on the face of the unit? Via tap on a switch, tap on the front panel, MIDI clock or the front panel dial. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09240; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:03:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:03:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c08b00$0d2a22e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:02:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has tap and it has an auto beat detection which works really well from what I saw- it may have midi clock detection as well- I know it sends clock out and other Electrix boxes use this clock- not sure if it has a knob for this or not- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) > > > is _wild_. Add > > to that the ability for Repeater to work as master clock, and > > thus be able > > to clock an effect like a flange, and you're looking at a > > very cool effect. > > > > How is the tempo for the Repeater set? Is it a tap tempo that could be > manually input via a footswitch, like "Tap" that you get with some > effects processors, or is it strictly a dialed in BPM setting that you > have to adjust on the face of the unit? > > Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:07:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09246; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A772DE2.CBFFFDC9@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:11:28 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good intentions (extremes and mixtures) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > ... > The old idea that this tech world will end up serving Nature (or > mankind as part of it) is too limited. It may as well serve for some > much bigger goal in the universe. I am far from defending our > destructive live style, but somehow I trust that the System would not > let us spend in vain during a few decades what nature accumulated > during millions of years... > Don't you agree there must be a plan behind this? > it seems that the *system* is much bigger than our little planet, matthias. i wouldn't be surprised if *she* has larger issues to deal with than our survival. maybe we want to take a little responsibility for it just in case, no? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10758; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:13:10 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: aux send woes * signal chains Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get the digest, so forgive my spaciness. My rig goes through a Spirt rack mixer. 14 mono + 2 stereo and four aux-sends + 2 more on a flip switch for a total of six - but only four at a tiem (ya dig?). To tope it off, there are four stereo returns and two stereo FX returns. The FX returns are on frills volume only knobs, BUT the stero returns have balance, volume, and TWO aux sends each that are identical to aux sends 1 & 3 or 1&4, depending on which "pair" of stereo returns you are using. Saves channel strips for stuff and things. I believe it is the called the RacPac or some other such silly name. email me if you want the model name or more specifics - it is a very cool little desk! Regards - Nii _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11375; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:24:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:24:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:18:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130125339.01dc88e0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So I could midi map a Tap to a CC mapped floor switch to tap in the tempo with my foot? I wonder if it works similar to the tap button on a Lexicon MPX1, where the tempo is determined by the time difference between the two taps. On the Lexicon tap, it will also take an average of all the taps if you continue to press on the button. Steve > >How is the tempo for the Repeater set? Is it a tap tempo > that could be > >manually input via a footswitch, like "Tap" that you get with some > >effects processors, or is it strictly a dialed in BPM > setting that you > >have to adjust on the face of the unit? > > Via tap on a switch, tap on the front panel, MIDI clock or > the front panel > dial. > > :) > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:34:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11635; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:32:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: good intentions (extremes and mixtures) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > David says there are at least 3 colors (and the mixture of it). sorry, I meant: Dennis Leas -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:34:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11642; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:26:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:26:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:21:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130110752.01f40220@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So what is the status of the group purchase? I sent an email to the address I found in the list archives, but no one responded and I wasn't sure if the deal was still on and what it would be. Steve > I met and talked to one of their DSP geeks at NAMM... They > have a solid > handle on what they're doing. :) > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:38:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13096; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:34:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:34:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130132458.02297330@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:31:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130125339.01dc88e0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (01:18 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >So I could midi map a Tap to a CC mapped floor switch to tap in the >tempo with my foot? I wonder if it works similar to the tap button on a >Lexicon MPX1, where the tempo is determined by the time difference >between the two taps. On the Lexicon tap, it will also take an average >of all the taps if you continue to press on the button. If I remember right, Repeater can handle tempo changes through MIDI a couple of ways... - There's MIDI clock, which it will slave to. - There's a CC that will let you VARY the tempo in real time (like via a MIDI pedal-board). - There's a CC that it will listen for to get TAP intervals. - There's a CC where you can blindly _set_ the tempo. I THINK that this is different than the variable CC. It may be the same. And... Repeater can use TAP as a hint to the beat finder algorithm to help zero in on just what it should be focusing on. And... Repeater _will_ average out your taps. The longer you tap, the more information Repeater has to work with. Damon will need to clarify and correct. The bottom line is that you can set tempo a number of different ways. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:38:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13165; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:35:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:35:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0dee01c08b03$6b78b750$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: good intentions (extremes and mixtures) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:27:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't you agree there must be a plan behind this? Yes! It seems that way to me! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:40:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13555; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:36:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:36:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130133201.022c9110@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:33:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130110752.01f40220@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (01:21 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >So what is the status of the group purchase? I sent an email to the >address I found in the list archives, but no one responded and I wasn't >sure if the deal was still on and what it would be. The music store supporting the group buy is Alto Music. Contact Jon, JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845.692.6922. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13561; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:37:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:37:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:32:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, > In the electronics setup, which I'd guess is closer to your > system, I have > the loopers (JamMan, Vortex, and occaisionally DL-4) fed from > Aux sends > from my mixer, and returned into mixer channels instead of > the Aux sends. > The reason I do this is so that any input on the mixer can be > looped, and > the loops can be fed through other processors, even fed back into > themselves, which can be interesting. The problem is that > this requires a > lot of Aux's and a lot of (preferably stereo) input channels. I still > haven't found a portable mixer that really works in this context, I'm > currently using either a Mackie 1202 (only 2 sends, so I end up using > Y-cables to split the sends), or a Mackie 1604 (physically too big, no > stereo input channels), depending on how big a setup I'm using. > This is exactly the kind of information I was trying to find out. I currently have all five of my synths (all with stereo outputs) connecting to my Mackie 1202VLZ pro and then two mics connecting to a couple of preamps for my saxes. I have a Lexicon MPX1 hanging off the aux 1 & 2 outs (since it's stereo) returning back to the Aux 1 L&R bus. I guess the way you have it configured, by bringing the return from your looper back to another channel, you can then apply effects the looped sound separately which is then combined with the original dry sound (that has gone through effects as well). I too have a 1604, but prefer to leave it in my home studio since it weighs a ton, especially with the rest of my rack. I did purchase a EZ-BUS made by Event electronics, but with the delays probably won't be here until next month sometime. The nice thing about it is that it has 18 balanced connections (not including SPIDF or ADAT) and everything is mixed on a matrix bussing system which means you can route anything to anywhere. I will also be able to keep everything in the digital realm until the final mix goes out the main balance outs. Regards, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:46:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14630; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:41:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:41:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0df401c08b04$323aac90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130125339.01dc88e0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010130132458.02297330@mail.redmoon-music.com> Subject: Re: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:32:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If I remember right, Repeater can handle tempo changes through MIDI a > couple of ways... Reallly cooollll! I LIKE it! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:49:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15096; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:51:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: good intentions (extremes and mixtures) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> ... >> The old idea that this tech world will end up serving Nature (or >> mankind as part of it) is too limited. It may as well serve for some >> much bigger goal in the universe. I am far from defending our >> destructive live style, but somehow I trust that the System would not >> let us spend in vain during a few decades what nature accumulated >> during millions of years... >> Don't you agree there must be a plan behind this? >> Lance has got it: >it seems that the *system* is much bigger than our little planet, matthias. i >wouldn't be surprised if *she* has larger issues to deal with than >our survival. >maybe we want to take a little responsibility for it just in case, no? :-) > Oh, sure, may music take us to our consciousness to find new sources of survival and the currage to act independent of outdated rules. There must be a solution, because She needs us to survive a little more to serve the Plan :-) Sorry if I went over the top... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:49:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14790; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:38:50 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130133201.022c9110@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, thats who I sent am email to, but didn't receive a reply. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Pulver [mailto:mark@redmoon-music.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) > > > > M. Steven Ginn (01:21 PM 01/30/01) wrote: > > >So what is the status of the group purchase? I sent an email to the > >address I found in the list archives, but no one responded > and I wasn't > >sure if the deal was still on and what it would be. > > The music store supporting the group buy is Alto Music. Contact Jon, > JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845.692.6922. > > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 16:52:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15663; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:40:55 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130132458.02297330@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4EJouB.A.tuD.NYzd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I hope you are right, because this could be the easiest and best way for my me to set tempo for my entire rig (looping, delays, pad washes, arpeggios, etc.). It would be nice if I could just tap my toe and watch the tempo of an LED change to the correct beat! Steve > If I remember right, Repeater can handle tempo changes through MIDI a > couple of ways... > > - There's MIDI clock, which it will slave to. > > - There's a CC that will let you VARY the tempo in real time > (like via a > MIDI pedal-board). > > - There's a CC that it will listen for to get TAP intervals. > > - There's a CC where you can blindly _set_ the tempo. I THINK > that this is > different than the variable CC. It may be the same. > > > And... Repeater can use TAP as a hint to the beat finder > algorithm to help > zero in on just what it should be focusing on. > > And... Repeater _will_ average out your taps. The longer you > tap, the more > information Repeater has to work with. > > > Damon will need to clarify and correct. > > The bottom line is that you can set tempo a number of different ways. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:07:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17781; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:03:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:03:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:06:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? Cc: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:32 PM 1/30/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: >This is exactly the kind of information I was trying to find out. I >currently have all five of my synths (all with stereo outputs) >connecting to my Mackie 1202VLZ pro and then two mics connecting to a >couple of preamps for my saxes. I have a Lexicon MPX1 hanging off the >aux 1 & 2 outs (since it's stereo) returning back to the Aux 1 L&R bus. One thing that you might think about is running some stuff in mono. I never send stereo signals to any of my effects, that opens up one of your Aux sends. I often run the synths in mono, though I like having the efx returns in stereo. In my current setup, I have Y-cords on both Aux sends of the 1202, so AUX 1 feeds the vortex and an LXP-5, and Aux 2 feeds the JamMan and DL-4. All the efx are set to 100% wet signal, and I occaisionally have to turn down the input of one to keep from feeding back, for instance if I want to send a loop from the JamMan to the DL-4, but it works OK. > >I guess the way you have it configured, by bringing the return from your >looper back to another channel, you can then apply effects the looped >sound separately which is then combined with the original dry sound >(that has gone through effects as well). Exactly the point! > >I too have a 1604, but prefer to leave it in my home studio since it >weighs a ton, especially with the rest of my rack. Uh-huh, though if it had stereo channels I might be tempted. > >I did purchase a EZ-BUS made by Event electronics, but with the delays >probably won't be here until next month sometime. The nice thing about >it is that it has 18 balanced connections (not including SPIDF or ADAT) >and everything is mixed on a matrix bussing system which means you can >route anything to anywhere. I will also be able to keep everything in >the digital realm until the final mix goes out the main balance outs. > Interesting, I didn't know the EZ-Bus could be used as a stand-alone mixer. Keep us informed of how it works out, when you finally do get it. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:10:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18094; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:05:24 EST Subject: 9 disks To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <97.108fb3b1.27a894a5@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wankers, I think we all have a little too much time, what with talk about what is music? (anything a human being defines as music, unless that definition is a self serving attempt to prove one's self to be "deep") music as a pallette of colors (there's no dark side of the moon, really. It's all dark) and whether or not Winston Marsellis has anything useful to say about jazz (yes, but not hours worth, or even minutes (I liked his analogy of Jazz being like that special hat you get to set yourself apart, though)) So, in an effort to get to know where we're all coming from with this here music stuff, I'd like to encourage everyone to follow up the nine disks thread. I'll be sure to make fun of all of you mercilessly for your choices, and this will provide hours of wonderful time wasting. Here's mine: DESERT ISLAND Funkadelic - Amerika Eats its Young The Creatures - Boomerang The Verve - No Come Down ROAD TRIP Operation Ivy - Operation Ivy Monster Magnet - Tab . . . 25 Julian Cope - 20 Mothers GIFT TO FRIEND Von Lmo - Future Languages Iggy Pop - The Idiot Bongwater - Too Much Sleep I'd then smuggle in Ween - The Pod using a secret compartment in my left shoe, with The Legendary Pink Dots - The Maria Dimension in my right one. Hopefully, I wouldn't get arrested by airport security for this infraction. Go ahead, laugh. Aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:17:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18817; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:14:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c08b0a$085fbe00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: OT: 1604 VLZ Pro Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:14:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am interested in any opinions on the following 2 items I am considering for my studio- the 1604 VLZ Pro and the Mackie monitors- I forget the name- How good are the pre amps in the VLZ Pro? I hear they are nice- but quiet? Nice enough for recording? How quiet is this board? Any points of pleasing or irritating interest? Any OTHER boards come to mind? I know Behringer has decent boards as well as new pre amps- I want to stay in the $1000 range- As for the monitors- they are apparently some of the flattest in the biz- is their bass reponse weak? 8" cones I assume bass is ample- I like the Tannoy actives too- Cheers yall, Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? > At 3:32 PM 1/30/01, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > >This is exactly the kind of information I was trying to find out. I > >currently have all five of my synths (all with stereo outputs) > >connecting to my Mackie 1202VLZ pro and then two mics connecting to a > >couple of preamps for my saxes. I have a Lexicon MPX1 hanging off the > >aux 1 & 2 outs (since it's stereo) returning back to the Aux 1 L&R bus. > > One thing that you might think about is running some stuff in mono. I never > send stereo signals to any of my effects, that opens up one of your Aux > sends. I often run the synths in mono, though I like having the efx returns > in stereo. In my current setup, I have Y-cords on both Aux sends of the > 1202, so AUX 1 feeds the vortex and an LXP-5, and Aux 2 feeds the JamMan > and DL-4. All the efx are set to 100% wet signal, and I occaisionally have > to turn down the input of one to keep from feeding back, for instance if I > want to send a loop from the JamMan to the DL-4, but it works OK. > > > >I guess the way you have it configured, by bringing the return from your > >looper back to another channel, you can then apply effects the looped > >sound separately which is then combined with the original dry sound > >(that has gone through effects as well). > > Exactly the point! > > > >I too have a 1604, but prefer to leave it in my home studio since it > >weighs a ton, especially with the rest of my rack. > > Uh-huh, though if it had stereo channels I might be tempted. > > > >I did purchase a EZ-BUS made by Event electronics, but with the delays > >probably won't be here until next month sometime. The nice thing about > >it is that it has 18 balanced connections (not including SPIDF or ADAT) > >and everything is mixed on a matrix bussing system which means you can > >route anything to anywhere. I will also be able to keep everything in > >the digital realm until the final mix goes out the main balance outs. > > > Interesting, I didn't know the EZ-Bus could be used as a stand-alone mixer. > Keep us informed of how it works out, when you finally do get it. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub > ____________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:21:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18894; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A773D67.7D78E2EC@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:17:11 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: <200101301912.OAA31731@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Using Repeater (was RE: Repeater NAMM Demo) > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:51:34 -0800 > From: Mark Pulver > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Remember also that Repeater and resample into itself... So, keep the > loop > running at 134bpm, hang a flanger on the effects loop, trigger the > flange > in sync, and resample the results. Now time shift that down to 1bpm, > and > you get a wonderful, blossoming, colorful sound that you simply have > to hear. > > > There's a lot in this box... > > Mark Uh oh, I can see it coming now. Engineers who record Cher get their hands on a Repeater, and morph her voice on a recording of "Baby, baby, baby, baby" into something that "no one has ever heard before" using this timestretching technique. The song is distributed over the internet and within 15 minutes goes platinum. A leading recording magazine does an "insider" story on the track, revealing that the sound is actually produced by running her voice through a tin-can telephone into a one-of-a-kind vocoder built in 1950 by Bob Moog. Big Briar's website crashes due to influx of "I want one too" e-mails. Over a million "I know how it was *really* done" e-mail messages are posted to assorted newsgroups/lists. Electrix runs a triple-page pull-out ad in National Enquirer with an endorsement from Elvis, telling how it's really done. Back orders for Repeater are up to 5 years, although Electrix claims that new production techniques will allow them to fill all orders within two weeks. Used Repeaters begin to appear on ebay with the endorsement "unit actually used by Cher in recording BBB," and are selling for over $10K each. SIGH. See what you've gotten us into, Damon? :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19869; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:26:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: 9 disks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:21:55 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/30/2001 04:21:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_qzylB.A.T1E.l9zd6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DI: Good Dog, Happy Man - Bill Frisell Kind of Blue - Miles Davis One - Beatles (is that cheating? a compilation?) RT: OK Computer - Radiohead Earthling - David Bowie Regatta le Blanc - Police GTF: Heroes - David Bowie Shack-man - Medeski, Martin & Wood Getz/Gilberto - Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:32:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20190; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:29:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A774060.BBBFD4F2@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:29:52 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater feature set ... and EDP References: <200101292114.QAA21939@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The NAMM demo certainly is enticing :) I'm particularly intrigued by the time-stretching (as I'm sure most of us are). That and the on-the-fly pitch shifting I'm sure are going to open a lot of doors. I can't wait (but I will !!) The one thing that seems a bit weak in the Repeater feature set is the implementation of "Multiply." I'm loving the free-form multiply that the EDP supports (although I think that the interface for changing the number of cycles in a loop could be improved :) - allowing you to loop as many times as you want, locking in the number of repeats with a button press. I find this is a very natural way to build up a composition. I get the impression from the manual that Repeater is only going to support doubling, which I imagine I'll find rather restrictive. Well, it will give us something to push for in version 2.0 Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:38:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20936; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:34:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:34:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:33:21 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA20555 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I get the impression from the manual that Repeater is only going to support doubling, which I imagine I'll find rather restrictive. Well, it will give us something to push for in version 2.0 Elby I believe Damon said that when you hit the (copy?) you can then crank a knob to the number of measures you want. I'm wondering what the upper limit might be? ] -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:41:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21560; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:38:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:38:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A77428E.77362E2C@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:39:10 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Biffle Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, if so, that's better than just doubling, but I *really* like the "hit the button when you're done" approach of the EDP. I'm finding that not needing to plan out in advance is making a huge (positive) difference for me. If I have to think in advance "I want 3 repetitions", the looping processing is not going to be as free form. Elby Mike Biffle wrote: > >> I get the impression from the manual that Repeater is only going to support doubling, which I imagine I'll find rather restrictive. Well, it will give us something to push for in version 2.0 Elby > > I believe Damon said that when you hit the (copy?) you can then crank a knob to the number of measures you want. I'm wondering what the upper limit might be? ] > > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:48:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22410; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:44:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:44:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C08ACB.D74CC260.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT - Ken Burn's Jazz was RE: good intentions Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:49:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Plagiarized from Ray Ashley's post on the taptalk list: >"this just in (from an auknown, but very witty source): > >Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important documentary, "Jazz." > > >Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit, > >holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell. > > > >Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No > >one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who > >heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people > >who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded. > > > >Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like. > >He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, and > >he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing > >De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing > >Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his time. > > > >Announcer: LeFunke was a cornet player, gambler, card shark, pool > >hustler, pimp, male prostitute, Kelly Girl, computer programmer, brain > >surgeon and he invented the internet. > > > >Stanley Crouch: When people listened to Skunkbucket LeFunke, they heard > >Do-do-dee-bwap-da-dee-dee-de-da-da-doop-doop-dap. And they knew even > >then how deeply profound that was. > > > >Announcer: It didn't take LeFunke long to advance the art of jazz past > >its humble beginnings in New Orleans whoredom with the addition of a > >bold and sassy beat. > > > >Wynton: Let me tell you about the Big Four. Before the Big Four, jazz > >drumming sounded like BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick. But now they > >had the Big Four, which was so powerful some said it felt like a Six. A > >few visiting musicians even swore they were in an Eight. > > > >Stanley: It was smooth and responsive, and there was no knocking and > >pinging, even on 87 octane. > > > >Wynton: Even on gumbo. > > > >Announcer: When any musician in the world heard Louis Armstrong for the > >first time, they gnawed their arm off with envy, then said the angels > >probably wanted to sound like Louis. When you consider a bunch of > >angels talking in gruff voices and singing "Hello Dolly," you realize > >what a stupid aspiration that is. > > > >Gary Giddy: Louis changed jazz because he was the only cat going > >Do-da-dep-do-wah-be-be, while everyone else was doing > >Do-de-dap-dit-dit-dee. > > > >Stanley: And that was very profound. > > > >Marsalis: Like gumbo. > > > >Stanley: Uh-huh. > > > >Matt Glaser: I always have this fantasy that when Louis performed in > >Belgium, Heisenberg was in the audience and he was blown away and that's > >where he got the idea for his Uncertainty Principle. > > > >Marsalis: Because the Uncertainty Principle, applied to jazz, means you > >never know if a cat is going to go Dap-da-de-do-ba-ta-bah or > >Dap-da-de-do-bip-de-beep. > > > >Wynton: Louis was the first one to realize that. > > > >Stanley: And that can be very profound. > > > >Stanley: I thought it was a box of chocolates... > > > >Announcer: The Savoy Ballroom brought people of all races colors and > >political persuasions together to get sweaty as Europe moved closer and > >closer to the brink of World War II. > > > >Savoy Dancer: We didn't care what color you were at the Savoy. We only > >cared if you were wearing deodorant. > > > >Stanley: Wynton always wears deodorant. > > > >Glaser: I'll bet Arthur Murray was on the dance floor and he was > >thinking about Louis and that's where he got the idea to open a bunch of > >dance schools. > > > >Stanley: And that was very profound. > > > >Giddy: Let's talk about Louis some more. We've wasted three minutes of > >this 57-part documentary not talking about Louis. > > > >Wynton: He was an angel, a genius, much better than Cats. > > > >Stanley: He invented the word "Cats." > > > >Wynton: He invented swing, he invented jazz, he invented the telephone, > >the automobile and the polio vaccine. > > > >Stanley: And the internet. > > > >Wynton: Very profound. > > > >Announcer: Louis Armstrong turned commercial in the 1930s and didn't > >make any more breakthrough contributions to jazz. But it's not PC to > >point that out, so we'll be showing him in every segment of this series > >to come, even if he's just doing the same things as the last time you > >saw him. > > > >Glaser: I'll bet Chuck Yeager was in the audience when Louis was hitting > >those high Cs at the Earle Theater in Philadelphia, and that's what made > >him decide to break the sound barrier. > > > >Stanley: And from there go to Pluto. > > > >Wynton: I'm going to make some gumbo- > > > >Stanley: BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chicka?|a?| > > > >Giddy: Do-yap-do-wee-bah-scoot-scoot-dap-dap...That's what all the cats > >were saying back then. > > > >Announcer: In 1964, John Coltrane was at his peak, Eric Doolphy was in > >Europe, where he would eventually die, the Modern Jazz Quartet was > >making breakthrough recordings in the field of Third Stream Music, Miles > >Davis was breaking new barrier with his second great quintet, and > >Charlie Mingus was extending jazz composition to new levels of > >complexity. But we're going to talk about Louis singing "Hello Dolly" > >instead. > > > >Stanley: Louis went, > >Ba-ba-yaba-do-do-dee-da-bebin-doo-wap-deet-deet-do-da-da. > > > >Wynton: Sweets went, > >Scoop-doop-shalaba-yaba-mokey-hokey-bwap-bwap-tee-tee-dee. > > > >Giddy: I go, Da-da-shoobie-doobie-det-det-det-bap-bap-baaaaa... > > > >Announcer: The rest of the history of jazz will be shown in fast forward > >and will occupy exactly seven seconds. --There, that was it. Now here > >are some scenes from Ken Burns' next documentary, a 97-part epic about > >the Empire State Building, titled "The Empire State Building." > > > >"It is tall and majestic. It is America's building. It is the Empire > >State Building. Dozens of workers gave their lives in the construction > >of this building." > > > >Matt Glaser: I'll bet that they were thinking of Louis as they were > >falling to their deaths. I have this fantasy that his high notes > >inspired the immenseness of the Empire State Building. > > > >Wynton Marsalis: I'll bet most people who'd fall off the Empire State > >Building would go "Aaaaaahhhh!" But these cats went > >"Dee-dee-daba-da-da-bop-bop-de-dop-shewap-splat!" > > > >"That's next time on PBSa?|" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 17:50:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22543; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:47:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:47:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010130224619.8091.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: 9 disks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My 9 picks: Universal - Kosma Misteryous Barricades - Andy Summers Into the Labyrinth - Dead can Dance Outro lado - Zuco 103 Are you experienced? - Jimi Hendrix Ok Computer - Radiohed Brazilification (remixes) - Fila Brazillia Jazz from Hell - Frank Zappa Dummy - Portishead Alx. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23538; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:56:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:56:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c08b10$0013a940$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <97.108fb3b1.27a894a5@aol.com> Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:57:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DESERT ISLAND Daniel Lanois - For The Beauty Of Wynona Recoil - Unsound Methods The Afghan Whigs - Gentleman ROAD TRIP U2 - Achtung Baby Depeche Mode - Songs Of Faith And Devotion Faith No More - King For A Day GIFT TO FRIEND Folk Implosion - One Part Lullaby Dada - Puzzle Soul Coughing - El Oso _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:02:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23992; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:59:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:59:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:57:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA23564 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, if so, that's better than just doubling, but I *really* like the "hit the button when you're done" approach of the EDP. I'm finding that not needing to plan out in advance is making a huge (positive) difference for me. If I have to think in advance "I want 3 repetitions", the looping processing is not going to be as free form. Elby You're right Elby... Imaging having to remember when the end of 16 cycles is after making tons of bizarre space stuff. You're bound to miss... But still, I'd prefer *picking* the number of cycles rather than having to double... then double again, etc. We'll see how it really works. I get the feeling it would be stupid to dump the EDP for the Repeater... they'll both be extremelyl useful for a different but overlapping set of uses. Can't wait! -Biffoz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:12:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25087; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:08:28 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: 9 discs Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can they be records? How about CDs you burned youself? Compilations? Am I on the road trip with my giorlfriend? Deicisions, decisions.... Desert Island: Gridlock - Gridlock Johnny Cash - Murder (from the Love, God, Mudrer boxed set) Miles Davis - Bithces Brew Road Trip: Radiohead - the new one, I forget the title Various - LCO Honor the Earth Powwow Atmosphere - Atmosphere (local MSP hip-hop tight harmonies) Gift: Sunny Day Real Estate - (any title will do) Coltrane - (ditto) Misaabe - too flow from a certain place _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25497; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:13:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:13:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:11:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 23:11:27.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[F918C970:01C08B11] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Desert Island: Philip Glass - Powawwatsi Street Corner Seranade (It's a collection of doo-wop songs) Oval - Systemich Road Trip: Rube Waddell - Stink Bait Los Samplers - Los Samplers (electronically decimated salsa/rumba/mambo music) Renaldo & The Loaf - Struve & Sneff Gift to Friend: Tape Beatles - Music With Sound The Residents - The Commercial Album Genghis Blues - Motion Picture Soundtrack (it's a Tuvan throat singer paired with an American blues musician) >From: AaroneousAG@aol.com > >Wankers, > >I think we all have a little too much time, what with talk about what is >music? (anything a human being defines as music, unless that definition is >a self serving attempt to prove one's self to be "deep") music as a >pallette of colors (there's no dark side of the moon, really. It's all >dark) and whether or not Winston Marsellis has anything useful to say about >jazz (yes, but not hours worth, or even minutes (I liked his analogy of >Jazz being like that special hat you get to set yourself apart, though)) >So, in an effort to get to know where we're all coming from with this here >music stuff, I'd like to encourage everyone to follow up the nine disks >thread. I'll be sure to make fun of all of you mercilessly for your >choices, and this will provide hours of wonderful time wasting. Here's >mine: > >DESERT ISLAND >Funkadelic - Amerika Eats its Young >The Creatures - Boomerang >The Verve - No Come Down > >ROAD TRIP >Operation Ivy - Operation Ivy >Monster Magnet - Tab . . . 25 >Julian Cope - 20 Mothers > >GIFT TO FRIEND >Von Lmo - Future Languages >Iggy Pop - The Idiot >Bongwater - Too Much Sleep > >I'd then smuggle in Ween - The Pod using a secret compartment in my left >shoe, with The Legendary Pink Dots - The Maria Dimension in my right one. >Hopefully, I wouldn't get arrested by airport security for this infraction. > > Go ahead, laugh. > > Aaroneous > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25566; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:14:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:14:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130150926.022d3100@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike Biffle (02:57 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >> Well, if so, that's better than just doubling, but I *really* like the >"hit the button when you're done" approach of the EDP. I'm finding that not >needing to plan out in advance is making a huge (positive) difference for >me. If I have to think in advance "I want 3 repetitions", the looping >processing is not going to be as free form. Elby > >You're right Elby... Imaging having to remember when the end of 16 cycles is >after making tons of bizarre space stuff. You're bound to miss... There _is_ a display on Repeater which shows Measure, Beat and Clock. You can see when the loop is coming around. It's LED, so you don't have to fight an LCD panel to see it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26304; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:18:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.81] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Ugly Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:17:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 23:17:42.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8D19560:01C08B12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26549; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:19:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:17:49 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA26276 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike Biffle (02:57 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >>> Well, if so, that's better than just doubling, but I *really* like the "hit the button when you're done" approach of the EDP. I'm finding that not needing to plan out in advance is making a huge (positive) difference for me. If I have to think in advance "I want 3 repetitions", the looping processing is not going to be as free form. Elby >> You're right Elby... Imaging having to remember when the end of 16 cycles is after making tons of bizarre space stuff. You're bound to miss... > There _is_ a display on Repeater which shows Measure, Beat and Clock. You can see when the loop is coming around. It's LED, so you don't have to fight an LCD panel to see it. Mark That presumes that I'm actually looking for the light! 8-) I could be stomping on pedals or have my eyes closed, tripping out until I felt like ending the multiply! (I'm not negative about the way the Repeater works... I'm in ecstasy thinking about all the new choices available!). -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27314; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:23:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADC3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 9 discs Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08B13.6205CA40" Resent-Message-ID: <89rtBC.A.poG.Rz0d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B13.6205CA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" since i forgot the original categories: gustav mahler: das lied von der erde (karajan, kollo, ludwig) john coltrane: love supreme miles davis: miles smiles mahavishnu orchestra: inner mounting flame masscre: killing time beatles: revolver public enemy: fear of a black planet metallica: master of puppets anthony braxton: new york 1974 (?) (why won't arista release the rights for reissue of his '70s stuff?) smuggled: anton webern: complete music for string quartet john lee hooker: everyone's blues james brown: hank williams: luke the drifter stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B13.6205CA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 9 discs

since i forgot the original categories:

gustav mahler: das lied von der erde (karajan, kollo, ludwig)
john coltrane: love supreme
miles davis: miles smiles

mahavishnu orchestra: inner mounting flame
masscre: killing time
beatles: revolver

public enemy: fear of a black planet
metallica: master of puppets
anthony braxton: new york 1974 (?) (why won't arista release the rights for reissue of his '70s stuff?)



smuggled:

anton webern: complete music for string quartet
john lee hooker: everyone's blues
james brown:
hank williams: luke the drifter

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B13.6205CA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:27:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27743; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:24:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:24:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:28:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: 9 disks Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, I'll bite: Desert Island: (why do these lists always assume we're going to a desert island, and that once we get there, we'll have nothing better to do than listen to the same music over and over?) Miles Davis: Dark Magus Captain Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica Ornette Coleman: Beauty is a Rare Thing (OK, so it's a box set (complete early quartet, + Free Jazz, + more, but as I see it, I get a pass, I DIDN't choose the complete Bitches Brew box for Miles) Honorable mentions (stowaways?): Ali Akbar Khan plays Alap, Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury, The Complete Works of Conlon Nancarrow, Miles' On The Corner, John Coltrane: The Complete Village Vanguard Sessions, Apehx Twin: Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2, Sun Ra: the Soundtrack to Space is the Place, DJ Spooky: Songs of a Dead Dreamer. Road Trip: Tortoise: TNT Medeski Martin and Wood: The Dropper (These guys normally annoy the sh*t out of me, but I'm really digging this disc) Faust: The Wumme Years 1970-1973 (Assuming it's a long trip) Tape for a Friend Herbie Hancock: Sextant Terry Riley: Rainbow in Curved Air Meshuggah: Destroy, Erase, Improve ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27876; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151751.022d3ae0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:21:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4eD2LB.A.XxG.700d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike Biffle (03:17 PM 01/30/01) wrote: >> There _is_ a display on Repeater which shows Measure, Beat and Clock. You >can see when the loop is coming around. It's LED, so you don't have to fight >an LCD panel to see it. Mark > >That presumes that I'm actually looking for the light! 8-) I could be >stomping on pedals or have my eyes closed, tripping out until I felt like >ending the multiply! (I'm not negative about the way the Repeater works... >I'm in ecstasy thinking about all the new choices available!). heh. Good point! :) Okay... Down there in the "1000" both section at NAMM was a bass-thumper company. One of the things that they're doing now is not just making thumpers for drum thrones, but they're also making full range thumpers for dance floors. So... I see a box coming out which interfaces to Repeater and triggers off of MIDI notes which are synced to Loop/Measure/Beat. Then, you attach a full range thumper to a pedal board, and put your foot on it. You'd feel: TOCK tick tick tick TOCK tick tick tick KABONG{loop} :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:33:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28132; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:27:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:27:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:51:25 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich, > Would it be too rude to ask what the Repeater is going to be used for > by those upset by the delay in shipping? I don't think its too rude ... > Or is it a new looper, adding to/replacing/complimenting your > existing rig/studio? > > Is it your first looper? yes it is both a new looper and my first looper. It won't be replacing anything in my live rig but hopefully will enhance it. I play the sax and the EWI midi wind controller and have a rig of about 5 synths with mixing, monitoring, etc. I control all patch changes, etc. with my feet. I am hoping this will bring a new dimension to my playing. It doesn't bother me to wait, but I would rather have one sooner rather than later. However, if the Repeater has the potential to give me and my rig more capabilities than what I would get with another similar device such as the EDP, and for less money, then I will wait. It's just nice to know what is happening and what to expect. Steve > > rich > > >I can only imagine how difficult it must be to try and put a > timeline on > >something, but I would rather have the worst possible info and be > >pleasantly surprised than to receive the most optimistic info and be > >sorely dissapointed. If Damon were to communicate the current > >punch-list that they (the engineers) are working on and some > approximate > >timelines to go with the issues, then we would have a much > better idea > >of what to expect and more apt to be patient. > > > >Steve > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:40:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29830; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:37:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:37:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Digitech FS-300 footswitch for Repeater Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:33:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <77pQpD.A.7PH.p_0d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if anyone is interested, but the footswitch that is mentioned on page 8 of the Repeater manual (Digitech FS-300) is available in a new area called the Digitech Factory Outlet Store at the following link: http://outlet.digitech.com/scripts/wgate/ww20/!?~language=en&~Okcode=sta rtitem&ostore=DIG-FOS&selected_area=0000000001 I couldn't find the pedal in the regular areas so I assume that it has been discontinued (I think?). thought those of you who were thinking of getting a Repeater would like to know! Regards, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29192; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADC4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 9 disks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:30:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08B14.90711230" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B14.90711230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ornette Coleman: Beauty is a Rare Thing (OK, so it's a box set (complete early quartet, + Free Jazz, + more, but as I see it, I get a pass, I DIDN't choose the complete Bitches Brew box for Miles) ** oooh, we get to take box sets???? Tape for a Friend Herbie Hancock: Sextant ** YEAH! god i forgot this! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B14.90711230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 9 disks

Ornette Coleman: Beauty is a Rare Thing (OK, so it's a box set (complete
early quartet, + Free Jazz, + more, but as I see it, I get a pass, I DIDN't
choose the complete Bitches Brew box for Miles)

** oooh, we get to take box sets????


Tape for a Friend
Herbie Hancock: Sextant

** YEAH! god i forgot this!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B14.90711230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 18:54:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30990; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:50:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:50:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:52:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: 9 disks Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stig writes: >Ornette Coleman: Beauty is a Rare Thing (OK, so it's a box set (complete >early quartet, + Free Jazz, + more, but as I see it, I get a pass, I DIDN't >choose the complete Bitches Brew box for Miles) > >** oooh, we get to take box sets???? Well, it depends on how you define box sets. Or maybe how Wynton defines box sets.... > > >Tape for a Friend >Herbie Hancock: Sextant > >** YEAH! god i forgot this! Yeah, people who hear this for the first time today are amazed that it was recorded in 1973. Astounding stuff... Hey, stig, what's your address? I owe you a CD... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31598; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:57:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:57:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.30.236.72] From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:57:04 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 23:56:16.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BFBAF40:01C08B18] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Desert Island King Crimson - Three of a Perfect Pair Muslimgauze - Gun Aramatic Pt 2 Aphex Twin - Richard D James Album Road Trip Godflesh - Us and Them Squarepusher - Burning n Tree Meat Beat Manifesto - Subliminal Sanwich Gift Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan King Crimson - Thrak ps I'd also have to smuggle my Laswell collection in and an Autechre CD. Ritchie http://www.mp3.com/rdomain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:04:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32200; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:00:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:00:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.30.236.72] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <200101301912.OAA31731@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A773D67.7D78E2EC@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:00:02 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2001 23:59:03.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F708000:01C08B18] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have they released an actual price on the Repeater?? I'd hate to pine for it, only to realise it's too expensive and that I'd rather buy something else for that cash. Ritchie http://www.mp3.com/rdomain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01330; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c08b1a$fe50e9a0$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:16:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" > What if you were visiting Wynton Marsellis...I wonder would he think > of these gifts? :) > > > > >Gift > > > >Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy > >Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan > >King Crimson - Thrak If I were Wynton, I'd say thanks. All three are amazing albums. Simon _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00981; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:12:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:12:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <43djG.A.tO.Bh1d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What if you were visiting Wynton Marsellis...I wonder would he think of these gifts? :) > >Gift > >Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy >Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan >King Crimson - Thrak best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:28:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02103; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:25:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:24:49 EST Subject: Re: OT: 1604 VLZ Pro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b0.fb744d0.27a8b551_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <1EEsFD.A.ag.Xt1d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b0.fb744d0.27a8b551_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 5:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > i cant speak for the 1604, i just got the 1202 vlz pro and a set of the srm 450s.....im completly blown away.....the mixer is very clean and never having had a mixer before, these past few posts about aux sends etc have been eye-opening.....rainer offered me many ideas about the 1202, what a help.....so there are better folk to talk to about mixers, now the srm 450s.....i have listend to good and bad speakers for a long time and i find these to be very flat, when you mix something down on them and listen later through other speakers, the mix sounds great, just a little sweeter.....what im tryin to say is, its great to hear what your recording.....clean clean clean.....also loud loud loud.....if you want to turn your bedroom into a DISCO and feel yourself getting hit with air turn them up to 1.75 - 2.5, beyond that your on your own.....:).....i am more than pleased with this system, its overkill but ya need to go there every now and then.....michael --part1_b0.fb744d0.27a8b551_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 5:14:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
clifsound@mediaone.net writes:


the 1604 VLZ Pro and the Mackie monitors
i cant speak for the 1604, i just got the 1202 vlz pro and a set of the srm
450s.....im completly blown away.....the mixer is very clean and never having
had a mixer before, these past few posts about aux sends etc have been
eye-opening.....rainer offered me many ideas about the 1202, what a
help.....so there are better folk to talk to about mixers, now the srm
450s.....i have listend to good and bad speakers for a long time and i find
these to be very flat, when you mix something down on them and listen later
through other speakers, the mix sounds great, just a little sweeter.....what
im tryin to say is, its great to hear what your recording.....clean clean
clean.....also loud loud loud.....if you want to turn your bedroom into a
DISCO and feel yourself getting hit with air turn them up to 1.75 - 2.5,
beyond that your on your own.....:).....i am more than pleased with this
system, its overkill but ya need to go there every now and then.....michael --part1_b0.fb744d0.27a8b551_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:29:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02146; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:26:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010130192800.007c8210@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:28:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 9 discs In-Reply-To: <008c01c08b1a$fe50e9a0$1b86893e@music> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:16 AM 1/31/01 -0000, you wrote: >> >Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy >> >Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan >> >King Crimson - Thrak > >If I were Wynton, I'd say thanks. All three are amazing albums. I'd like to hear Wynton try to scat-sing Ms. Galas, though. Instead of "Za-be-do-ba-sha-wop-be-do", it'd be "Aaaaaaaaaaa! Yakakakakaka! Woooooooopp! Momito!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:34:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03102; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: How to place Looper in audio path? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:08:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7DTFhD.A._t.az1d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave, > Interesting, I didn't know the EZ-Bus could be used as a > stand-alone mixer. > Keep us informed of how it works out, when you finally do get it. > I think a lot of people have just not noticed. It is certainly not anything like the Tascam 488 that everyone is excited about. I think the Tascam is great, but I need to have a mixer that I can unplug from the rest of my studio and take to the stage to mix my live rig and that's exactly what the EZ-Bus can do. I have been talking with another friend of mine about finding a small digital mixer that can save scenes and has multiple methods of getting sound in and out and then the EZ-Bus came along. Its actually not much bigger than my 1202VLZ and as I mentioned before, it has 18 inputs (2 XLR w/ mic pre's, 14 TRS, & 2 unbalanced line) along with ADAT and S/PIDF. In fact my initial thought is that I can now connect my Lexicon MPX1 up via S/PIDF and keep my effects processing entirely digital which will in turn free up more inputs that I am currently using. Hopefully, Event told me they would be shipping within a couple of weeks and as soon as I try it out, I would be happy to report on its functionality and quality. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:40:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03527; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: chambrad@valinet.com Sender: chambrad@valinet.com Reply-to: chambrad@valinet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:37:44 GMT Subject: Repeater, EDP, Jamman X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3t, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3a775e58.4925.0@valinet.com> X-User-Info: 131.229.61.221 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2prHQC.A.t2.N51d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, to make things more complicated, I just tried to purchase a second hand EDP for 550.00, but "lost the bid" to someone who offered 650.00. I may end up going for a new one and am on the list for the next shipment through Alto Music. But, as a consolation prize, the seller recommended I look into the Repeater..... So a few new questions would be: 1. Given the choice between an EDP and a Repeater, for the purposes of using in a multi-instrumental (percussion and acoustic intstruments, both mic'd and synth inputs through a mixer) context geared toward live improvisational stuff, what would you recommend? 2. Anyone know of the limitations of the Repeater for live recording, and playback with foot control? Does it allow cueing of / jumping between loops in performance as with the EDP and Jamman? Does the overdup function allow infinite layers as with the Jamman? Can it "really" do up to 8 minutes of looping and be every bit as flexible and creative and cool as the Jamman and EDP? Is there any "fine print" with this machine that anyone knows about? Bugs? Glitches? Reliability issues? etc, etc. Does a footpedal controller cost an extra arm and a leg, and what type would you recommend with the Repeater? I have to say that a very trusted source (and incredible guitar player) first turned my thoughts toward the EDP, but now I'm..... Getting more confused by the minute, Stephen B. chambrad@valinet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03925; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:39:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:39:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:35:01 -0600 Message-ID: <01c08b26$07737880$f977580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Desert Island (must find peace with oneself): Tool - Aenima David Torn - Door X The Smiths - Hatful of Hollow Road Trip (gotta sing on the road): Diamanda Galas with John Paul Jones - The Sporting Life A Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms Pulp - Different Class Gift to Friend (i'd like for my friends to actually know who I am): John Coltrane - The Major Works of John Coltrane Allan Holdsworth - Secrets David Bowie - Low Extra tenth that could go in any category and still makes me smile like a kid with nothing but time on his hand: Annette Peacock - Abstract Contact PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:43:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04158; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:41:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:41:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Matt Jacques" To: Subject: RE: 9 discs Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:39:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <008c01c08b1a$fe50e9a0$1b86893e@music> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <16wag.A.0_.A81d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I couldn't resist the lure of this challenge, so I'm de-lurking to participate! Desert Island Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II Autechre - Incunabula Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream Road Trip Orbital - In Sides Massive Attack - Mezzanine U-Ziq - Lunatic Harness Gift to Friend Belle and Sebastian - The Boy With the Arab Strap Bjork - Homogenic Coil - Time Machines Ha! Nothing like a little diversity. That was tough work, and certainly not a definitive list, just what I'd pack in a suitcase, put in the CD-changer, or give to a friend at this moment in time... Honorary mentions to Laswell, Roach, and Namlook... just too much to choose from! Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 19:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04499; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: chambrad@valinet.com Sender: chambrad@valinet.com Reply-to: chambrad@valinet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:41:42 GMT Subject: re: Repeater X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3t, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3a775f46.4a8b.0@valinet.com> X-User-Info: 131.229.61.221 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw this for a price, but haven't checked for availability. -s http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/search/home/010130153830131229061221715814?q=t&csel=0&FIND=repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 20:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06604; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:06:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:04:55 EST Subject: Re: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >you're taking a trip, you have room for 9 cd's in your travel bag >with your portable player. 3 groups of 3: the first 3 are 'desert >island' discs...perfect favorites. the second group of 3 is current >faves, stuff you've been listening to or stuck on. the last 3 are a >gift for your host at your imaginary destination...you're going to >give the discs to them, to turn them onto something cool you've found. i replace the cd's w/books: i build my own instruments w/the island's indigenous materials..... *-) dt / SPLaTTeRNeRD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 20:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06855; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:09:01 EST Subject: Re: The Ugly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some people wrote: > >Ah! This is where I came in- - - >==== >[Of course White contains all colors. That's why it's the opposite of Black- > >which is the absence of all color. That's also why it's silly to think > >you've said something when you champion *Gray*...] > >PS: To the freedom fighter above: No. Labeling someone facist for >entertaining the philosophical notion of absolutes is facist. is a 'facist' (sic) a facial racist, ie one who discriminates against those *without* faces? bleep. dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 20:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08031; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: 9 disks Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:36:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08B26.37EC3560" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B26.37EC3560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CLK OUT: Jimi Hendrix, "Band of Gypsies" Beck, "Mutations" Weather Report, "Black Market" =A0 MIDI THRU: Beastie Boys, "Licensed to Ill" Rahzel, "MTM 2000" Macy Gray, "Life Is" =A0 TO HOST: Roots, "Do You Want More?" Funkadelic, "Funkadelic" Paul Pena, "New Train" =A0 -Hans ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B26.37EC3560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 9 disks
CLK OUT:
Jimi Hendrix, "Band of Gypsies"
Beck, "Mutations"
Weather Report, "Black Market"
 
MIDI THRU:
Beastie Boys, "Licensed to Ill"
Rahzel, "MTM 2000"
Macy Gray, "Life Is"
 
TO HOST:
Roots, "Do You Want More?"
Funkadelic, "Funkadelic"
Paul Pena, "New Train"
 
-Hans
------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B26.37EC3560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 20:51:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08605; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:48:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:48:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADC8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:45:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08B27.7FCED260" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B27.7FCED260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" i replace the cd's w/books: i build my own instruments w/the island's indigenous materials..... *-) ** this was such the great answer! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B27.7FCED260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes...

i replace the cd's w/books:
i build my own instruments w/the island's indigenous materials.....
*-)

** this was such the great answer!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08B27.7FCED260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 20:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08640; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A776EFF.42933D50@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:48:47 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now you're gonna have to tell us, which books? Texture444@aol.com wrote: > > rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > >you're taking a trip, you have room for 9 cd's in your travel bag > >with your portable player. 3 groups of 3: the first 3 are 'desert > >island' discs...perfect favorites. the second group of 3 is current > >faves, stuff you've been listening to or stuck on. the last 3 are a > >gift for your host at your imaginary destination...you're going to > >give the discs to them, to turn them onto something cool you've found. > i replace the cd's w/books: > i build my own instruments w/the island's indigenous materials..... > *-) > dt / SPLaTTeRNeRD From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 21:05:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10042; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.30.236.72] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010130192800.007c8210@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:01:09 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 02:00:16.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E4EC1E0:01C08B29] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those three were chosen to open minds (plus I love those albums also). Good to see some people here appreciate original and talented music of all realms. Ritchie ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: 9 discs > At 12:16 AM 1/31/01 -0000, you wrote: > >> >Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy > >> >Diamanda Galas - Litanies of Satan > >> >King Crimson - Thrak > > > >If I were Wynton, I'd say thanks. All three are amazing albums. > > I'd like to hear Wynton try to scat-sing Ms. Galas, though. > Instead of "Za-be-do-ba-sha-wop-be-do", it'd be "Aaaaaaaaaaa! Yakakakakaka! > Woooooooopp! Momito!" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 21:24:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11165; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:21:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:21:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:19:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 02:19:39.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[43AC4880:01C08B2C] Resent-Message-ID: <8tFGvD.A._tC.XZ3d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Medeski Martin and Wood: The Dropper (These guys normally annoy the sh*t >out of me, but I'm really digging this disc) Check out Farmer's Reserve (only availible online) - This one gets away from some of the "hook-based grooves" (which I happen to really dig by the way). bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 21:29:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11606; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:26:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 1604 VLZ Pro Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:25:04 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 02:25:04.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[05517EB0:01C08B2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >for my studio- the 1604 VLZ Pro The preamps are very quiet on the VLZ pro. The biggest drawback for me is the EQ section. From what I can tell, this is where they recouped the extra money spent on pre-amp componantry. In my opinion, I wouldn't really say that the 1604VLZ was designed as a studio mixer, but you definately can get a decent recording out of it. If you're only interested in this price range you might take a look at the Allen and Heath mix-wizard series. bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 21:43:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12543; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:39:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:39:04 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 disks In-Reply-To: <006101c08b10$0013a940$1b86893e@music> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't think it can get much harder than this ;-) DESERT ISLAND Slowdive - Pygmalion Labradford - Mi Media Naranja Lovesliescrushing - Xuvetyn ROAD TRIP His Name is Alive - Ft. Lake Slowdive - Souvlaki Swervedriver - Mezcal Head GIFT TO FRIEND Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthfull Days Third Eye Foundation - Semtex A Silver MT. Zion - He Has Left Us Alone But Shafts Of Light Sometimes Grace The Corners Of Our Rooms -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 22:16:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14086; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [203.30.236.72] From: "Ritchie" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010130192800.007c8210@pop.ici.net> Subject: Poetic review or r.domain Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:10:52 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 03:10:12.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[532C9EC0:01C08B33] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys and gals, if you want to read a very original review I just got of one of my tracks, check out http://www.godsofmusic.com/phase2/reviews.php3?action=detail&id=387 If you'd like to hear what this reviewer is talking about, check out http://www.mp3.com/rdomain and listen to Ebola Zaire. Maybe you can conjure up his thoughts when listening :) Man, that is one classic review. Ritchie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 22:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14761; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:17:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <68.b9bcd0a.27a8dd75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:16:05 EST Subject: Re: OT - Ken Burn's Jazz was RE: good intentions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Christ! This sounds like a class I just completed: "Understanding Jazz". Although it WAS an accelerated course (8 weeks), the instructor spend the first seven weeks on New Orleans jazz, a little Chicago jazz and some be-bop. The last class covered jazz from 1959 to the present. And even then, instead of Miles, the instructor spent most of the time on Fusion. We DID have some amusing conversations about Kenny G, however. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 22:35:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15441; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:32:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01af01c08b36$35eea120$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <97.108fb3b1.27a894a5@aol.com> <006101c08b10$0013a940$1b86893e@music> Subject: Re: 9 disques Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:30:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd spend most of my time on the island wondering why I can never resist the temptation to join in on these threads... and this is a particularly tough one! Desert Island: Projekct X - Heaven and Earth Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever Meredith Monk - Dolmen Music Road Trip: Tabla Beat Science - Tala Matrix Michael Penn - Resigned Pink Floyd - Meddle Gifts for Friends: Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love King Crimson - Discipline ... and I'd have to stuff copies of Bjork's "Post" and Orbital's "In Sides" in a condom and swallow it before going through customs. :) Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Kean" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: 9 disks > DESERT ISLAND > > Daniel Lanois - For The Beauty Of Wynona > Recoil - Unsound Methods > The Afghan Whigs - Gentleman > > ROAD TRIP > > U2 - Achtung Baby > Depeche Mode - Songs Of Faith And Devotion > Faith No More - King For A Day > > GIFT TO FRIEND > > Folk Implosion - One Part Lullaby > Dada - Puzzle > Soul Coughing - El Oso > _____________________________________ > Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project > http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio > http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc > _____________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 23:32:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17295; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:29:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c08b3d$9a08ae60$3aad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:23:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8SWEIB.A.zNE.-R5d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yupir! In addition to "English," I also speak Greek, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, German, Dutch, Hindi, Korean, Thai, French... well, usually limited to some short phrase or greeting. Vriendelijke groeten, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo >> Is my PC bolloxed? > >Bolloxed???? you been hanging round with Brits again, Bill???? :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 30 23:52:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18077; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:49:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cf01c08b40$5a3a1e60$3aad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:43:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pulver To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo >Bill Fox (03:02 AM 01.30.2001) wrote: > >Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info > >box says: > >Sound Channels: no sound > >Is my PC bolloxed? >Yeup, it's on your end Bill... There's sound all through the demo. Damn! The little speaker icon in Movie Player is grey and clicking on it does nothing. I have an SBLive! card which seems to work in all other applications. Wave/Direct Sound in Play Control is enabled and the fader is up. I'm stumped! Any suggestions where else I can look, anything else I can check? Thanks. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 00:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19174; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:00:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c08b42$cb6e9be0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <00cf01c08b40$5a3a1e60$3aad5cd1@-> Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, i have the same sound card and i was trying to open it in media player too. you just have to get quicktime ( i know, i know, i didn't want to get it either), it works great in quicktime. it's worth it, the music the guy's doing isn't amazing but given the source material the repeater does seem to be quite a powerhouse. Jon > > >Bill Fox (03:02 AM 01.30.2001) wrote: > > >Where's the audio? If I do Movie --> GetMovieInfo.. the Movie Info > > >box says: > > >Sound Channels: no sound > > >Is my PC bolloxed? > >Yeup, it's on your end Bill... There's sound all through the demo. > > Damn! The little speaker icon in Movie Player is grey and clicking on it does > nothing. I have an SBLive! card which seems to work in all other applications. > Wave/Direct Sound in Play Control is enabled and the fader is up. I'm stumped! > Any suggestions where else I can look, anything else I can check? > > Thanks. > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 00:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20911; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019b01c08b47$d012b640$3aad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:36:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8ch4NB.A.fGF.fW6d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Downloading and reinstalling quicktime fixed me right up! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: insect politics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo >hey, i have the same sound card and i was trying to open it in media player >too. you just have to get quicktime ( i know, i know, i didn't want to get >it either), it works great in quicktime. it's worth it, the music the guy's >doing isn't amazing but given the source material the repeater does seem to >be quite a powerhouse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 00:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20907; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:42:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A77A799.E2757B00@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:50:25 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ugly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <25Q2e.A.HGF.UW6d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > ... > > [Of course White contains all colors. That's why it's the opposite of Black- > which is the absence of all color. That's also why it's silly to think > you've said something when you champion *Gray*...] > sorry, i just had to poke my nose in again (please forgive me robert!)... white contains all the colors when described in the additive sense, i.e. visible light (your crt screen), but when described subtractively, i.e. as reflective material (ink, paint) it's the absence of color. opposite for black. oh, and all cats are grey. i think wynton marsalis said that. :-) lance g. ps i don't think fascism is what's goin' on here, just a philosophical discourse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 00:47:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20571; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:39:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:39:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A78F7A9.7EC4909B@mind.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:44:10 -0800 From: shara X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Abstract Acapella Looping/Electronic Festival in the planning stages for early spring References: <200101280547.AAA17898@hemlock.violacea.com> <00a501c08922$a570cb60$5782e3a5@poo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" wrote: > Jimmy George wrote: > hello shara. i have used the boomerang for looping vocals for 6 years > now. > > Very interesting the synchronicity of this thread. > Just yesterday, I put into motion the first actions to try and create and > Abstract Acapella Looping/Electronic Processing (no 'song's or typical pop > forms of music, i.e., jazz, rock, r&B, soul, hip hop, rap, country or > Scottish Hagis songs---the festival will follow some time in the distant > future)show as a follow up to our successful > Solo Bass Looping Festival. I'd love to hear yours and anyone else's work > for potential inclusion in this show. > > As always, the monetary disclaimer has to proceed first: All artists > donate their performances, > I get rich off of the soundtrack recording (absolutely just kidding!!!), the > Rio Theatre is donated, the Sound and Lights are donated and the show is > free to the public. I recieved a $5 donation from one person and sold two > CDs at $20 and still lost $10 or so on the postering ;-) and put about > twenty hours worth of unpaid work into the Bass Solo show just to rest > everybody's minds about those kinds of considerations. > > If, however it is not feasible to come to Santa Cruz, I would love to play > an individual Acapella cut of yours during the setup transitions and > introduce you, formally to the audience. Send me a short bio and photo if > you have them. If you want to send me a couple of CDs, I'd be happy to sell > them for $5, $10,$15 or $20 dollar increments. Go higher in price if you > are sending in from out of the United States so that we can cover our > mailing costs. I always seem to talk the local D.J.s into interviewing me > for these shows so I would love to > play the best cuts on air. > > Yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) Rick, I am jazzed about your festival. I grew up in Santa Cruz, and when you mentioned the Rio theatre in an early paragraph I could feel my pulse quicken. Of course I would travel there! I sing improvisational sounds that are way abstract and weave then into it my own form of "blues" Bhajans, devotional chant, or gospel R&B, jazz and celtic stuff. Mostly all is experimental and "out there", but it is perfect in Ashland, OR, the most "out there" community I know of, next to Santa Cruz. I will be glad to send the bio, photo, etc. I don't have any CDs -- just a newbie. I am real excited about looping because it completely allows all the layers I enjoy building into a piece. Keep me in mind for your show. I'll get something recorded and send it your way. Send me an address. Shara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 00:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22058; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:48:42 EST Subject: Re: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.1b766e5.27a9013a_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d6.1b766e5.27a9013a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/30/2001 7:06:56 PM Central Standard Time, torn writes: > i replace the cd's w/books: > so, sensei, which books? kevin --part1_d6.1b766e5.27a9013a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/30/2001 7:06:56 PM Central Standard Time, torn writes:

i replace the cd's w/books:

so, sensei, which books?

kevin --part1_d6.1b766e5.27a9013a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 01:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22509; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:58:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <95.63fbd71.27a90348@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:57:28 EST Subject: Re: OT - Ken Burn's Jazz was RE: good intentions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.63fbd71.27a90348_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.63fbd71.27a90348_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/30/2001 9:18:02 PM Central Standard Time, PaulPokr@aol.com writes: > The last class covered jazz from 1959 to the present. And even then, instead > of Miles, the instructor spent most of the time on Fusion. We DID have some > amusing conversations about Kenny G, however. > > That's 'cause the world of academics doesn't contain many that understand Miles, post-KindOfBlue. Fusion is easy to teach: arm some jazz guys with electric instruments and make them play R&B rhythms. Then: roll two dice and use the resulting number as the numerator of your time signature. (For the Mahavishnu Orchestra, use three dice.) It's the nature of the beast. As the boundary of jazz became scribbly and hard to read, and as many started their own interpretations, it became less easy to sort and classify. And besides, many professors couldn't play it, couldn't locate it in their own earholes, so how in the name of allah could they teach anyone else about it? (Only Ornette can explain harmolodics, so the story goes.) It's all about control. If you can control your instrument, you can decide to ignore the rules. oh god, another attack of Naw-Ledge coming on! Kevin --part1_95.63fbd71.27a90348_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/30/2001 9:18:02 PM Central Standard Time,
PaulPokr@aol.com writes:


The last class covered jazz from 1959 to the present. And even then, instead
of Miles, the instructor spent most of the time on Fusion. We DID have some
amusing conversations about Kenny G, however.



That's 'cause the world of academics doesn't contain many that understand
Miles,  post-KindOfBlue.  Fusion is easy to teach: arm some jazz guys with
electric instruments and make them play R&B rhythms.  Then: roll two dice and
use the resulting number as the numerator of your time signature.  (For the
Mahavishnu Orchestra, use three dice.)

It's the nature of the beast.  As the boundary of jazz became scribbly and
hard to read, and as many started their own interpretations, it became less
easy to sort and classify.  And besides, many professors couldn't play it,
couldn't locate it in their own earholes, so how in the name of allah could
they teach anyone else about it?  (Only Ornette can explain harmolodics, so
the story goes.)  

It's all about control.  If you can control your instrument, you can decide
to ignore the rules.

oh god, another attack of Naw-Ledge coming on!

Kevin --part1_95.63fbd71.27a90348_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 01:39:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24288; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A77B43A.5721A358@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:44:28 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 disks References: <97.108fb3b1.27a894a5@aol.com> <006101c08b10$0013a940$1b86893e@music> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7uUQCC.A.E7F.RJ7d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DI eno another green world miles in a silent way john cage music for keyboards 1935-1948 RT pell mell interstate stereolab refried ectoplasm jj cale the very best of GTF jeremy boyle songs from the guitar solos terry riley in c kinks the kinks kronikles lance g. ps i think dt wins the survivor grand prize From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 01:42:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24209; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:35:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:35:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130222945.01ea8008@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:30:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater NAMM Demo In-Reply-To: <019b01c08b47$d012b640$3aad5cd1@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox (09:36 PM 01.30.2001) wrote: >Downloading and reinstalling quicktime fixed me right up! btw... get quicktime. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 02:51:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27235; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c08b5a$06191b00$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <6.11773796.27a870f8@aol.com> Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:47:04 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ahoeltje@best.com writes that rick loop pool walker wrote: >We have, almost entirely stopped singing or whistling as a culture in public. What you mean "WE", Kemo Sabe? I question whether most of the folks tromping around with cel phones attached to their heads compose or perform music... but that's beside my point. Back when car #3 gave up the ghost in LA - and when #4 and 5 did also - I was forced to take the bus to jobs. I don't like the notion of wearing a set of earphones in the parts of LA that I had to go to get to work - not wise in my opinion - and as such I found that my brain filled in for the former car radio quite well. Perhaps better. In a sense I was "listening" to remixes of songs I knew and loved, and composing new material quite a bit as well. And I whistled and hummed when not around people that it'd annoy. Sometimes I sang softly when tromping the blocks upon blocks, working on vocal arrangements, figuring them out, how I wanted them. I'd keep this going when I found something good, so I could get home and still have it in my head. LA Radio as such isn't such a big loss anyway - it's more of a sales medium in any event. And, in the absence of it, I found untold freedom in the brain, to run, play, and compose on my own. And perhaps provide play space for others, with or without instruments. I suspect that such a generalized statement as the above comes from a big city in any event... Though you wouldn't know it to hear the construction workers on the refurbishment project of "12 special flats" next door to our building: at times one or several breaks out in what can only be interpreted as mufti opera, before someone - perhaps a foreman - yells something like "sharrup!" or less-intelligible things at them. It keeps coming back, despite the possible foreman's interdiction. Isn't human creativity like this though? It keeps coming back, despite ANY suppressive efforts. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 03:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28531; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:27:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3A77CF01.9AB38997@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:38:25 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater feature set ... and EDP References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151751.022d3ae0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <46t1EB.A.k9G.1w8d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: > TOCK tick tick tick TOCK tick tick tick KABONG{loop} This is poetry. ;) - Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 03:38:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29075; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:35:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:35:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A77D1F9.1960@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:51:07 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 discs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DI 1.Bill Evans,Sunday at the Village Vangard 2.Terje Rypdal,David Darling,Kjell B and Jon C.; The Sea 1 3.John Coltrane,A Love Supreme RT 1.Led Zepplin,remasters vol 1 2.Andy Reinhart,Jasons Chord 3.Jimi Hendrix,Electric Ladyland Gft. 1.Miles Davis,Kind of Blue 2.Kevin Keller,Pendulum 3.Jeff Pearce,Vestiges From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 04:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30772; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c08b67$9b505780$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3A77D1F9.1960@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:24:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <92LxHB.A.efH.In9d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is easy. I left my @#$ CD collection in the US when I moved here, as it totalled nearly 160 pounds, which in cargo terms costs about $160 to ship! I wouldn't give a frigging one of them to anybody, but I'd sure let them listen with me! What I'd like to have here is: Brian Eno, "Another Green World", "Apollo", "Before the Heat" Jimi Hendrix, "Bold as Love", "Live at Woodstock", "Electric Ladyland" Rolling Stones, "Exiles on Main Street", "Some Girls" I believe that's nine disk, since "Electric Ladyland" is a double set. If not, then I'd include Mahavishnu Orchestra's "The Inner Mounting Flame". Not bad for someone without his collection, eh? Well, it's been on my mind quite a bit, so thanks for the vent space. :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 06:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00636; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012301c08b78$1afb7f40$5fafd9c1@s500865> From: "mark francombe red" To: Subject: RE: 9 disks Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:22:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01C08B80.7C7CC3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C08B80.7C7CC3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Desert Island (essential or memories of home and childhood?) Can: Tago Mago (best record ever) Cranes: Forever (imodest inclusion of own band) Velvet Underground: The velvet Underground and Nico Road Trip (Singalong or gazing outa window or or top down rocking music) Beatles: White Album (best beatles) Stereolab: Aliminium Tunes SexPistols: Never mind the bollocks Gift (All about educating your square friends) Renaldo and the loaf: Songs for swinging larve (Reminded of my mates = from Portsmouth by other list member, listened again. Scorn: evanescense White Noise: An electric Storm in Hell and the cheating tenth album that others have sneaked in would be... Leftfield: leftism (for paaaaaaaaarty!) Mark Francombe Red mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.8day.com/redweb/ ICQ: 4531031 (Please dont send .exe files (zip them 1st) my mail server bites them = chews=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C08B80.7C7CC3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Desert = Island
(essential or memories of = home and=20 childhood?)
 
Can: Tago Mago (best record = ever)
Cranes: Forever (imodest inclusion of = own=20 band)
Velvet Underground: The velvet = Underground and=20 Nico
 
 
Road Trip
(Singalong or gazing outa=20 window or or top down rocking music)
 
Beatles: White Album (best = beatles)
Stereolab: Aliminium Tunes
SexPistols: Never mind the = bollocks
 
Gift
(All about educating your = square=20 friends)
 
Renaldo and the loaf: Songs for = swinging larve=20 (Reminded of my mates from Portsmouth by other list member, listened=20 again.
Scorn: evanescense
White Noise: An electric Storm in = Hell
 
and the cheating tenth album that = others have=20 sneaked in would be...
 
Leftfield: leftism (for=20 paaaaaaaaarty!)
 
 
Mark Francombe Red
mark.francombe@mogul.com
= http://www.8day.com/redweb/
I= CQ:=20 4531031
 
(Please dont send .exe files (zip them = 1st) my mail=20 server bites them chews
------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C08B80.7C7CC3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 07:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01124; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:53:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:53:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c08b7c$53b5e8d0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008c01c08b1a$fe50e9a0$1b86893e@music> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3-59VC.A.ER.xx_d6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there, this is interesting - not too many of you chose obvious "looping titles" for your DI/RT/GTF categories. Anyway, here comes my "pickset": DI - (I assume we get to take along a CD player/mobile nuclear power plant ?) Richard Wagner - Die Walküre (Solti/Hotter/Nilsson - Decca) John Zorn - Painkiller Box Steve Coleman - Live at the Hot Brass RT - (my pick for a car would be a 911 GT1 or for >2 persons a BMW M5) Yes - Yessongs Led Zeppelin - Remasters Redneck Rampage Arkansas - Soundtrack GTF - (again, this depends on the friend I guess...) King Crimson - Heavy ConstruKCtion Frank Zappa - Läther Henry Kaiser/Leo Smith - Yo Miles! Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 07:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01807; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:05:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:03:34 +0000 Subject: Re: 9 discs From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A77D1F9.1960@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DI Metheny - Bright Sized Life Frisell - Ghost Town (or just about anything else he's ever been on) Bruce Cockburn - The Charity Of Night RT Don Ross - (whatever his latest solo acoustic album is called...) DumDums - It Goes Without Saying Frou Frou - an as yet unreleased album by Imogen Heap... Gft ...this would depend on what the person was already into - which areas do they need educating in? :o) but a selection from B.L.U.E Michael Manring - Thonk Jonatha Brooke - Plumb Bruce Cockburn - Nothing But A Burning Light Frisell/Peacock - Just So Happens Peacock/Towner - A Closer View Iona - Beyond These Shores Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen Steve Lawson - And Nothing But The Bass Martyn Joseph - The Shirley Sessions Del Amitri - Twisted Frisell - Gone, Just Like A Train, Good Dog..., Songs We Know, the live bootleg from Radio 3 that i've got and victor wants... :o) cheers steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 07:13:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01979; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:10:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:10:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:09:43 +0000 Subject: Re: 9 disks From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012301c08b78$1afb7f40$5fafd9c1@s500865> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3063787784_184390_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3063787784_184390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>Gift (All about educating your square friends) Renaldo and the loaf: Songs for swinging larve (Reminded of my mates from Portsmouth by other list member, listened again. Scorn: evanescense White Noise: An electric Storm in Hell<<< You would give electric storm as a PRESENT???? I bought that years ago, and have never been as scared by a disc in my life!!! Please, if you're buying me gifts, leave that off the list. In 18 years of record and CD buying, I've taken about three albums back - this was the first! :o) Steve --MS_Mac_OE_3063787784_184390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 9 disks
>>>Gift
(All about educating your square friends)
Renaldo and the loaf: Songs for swinging larve (Reminded of my mates from P= ortsmouth by other list member, listened again.
Scorn: evanescense
White Noise: An electric Storm in Hell<<<


You would giv= e electric storm as a PRESENT???? I bought that years ago, and have never be= en as scared by a disc in my life!!! Please, if you're buying me gifts, leav= e that off the list. In 18 years of record and CD buying, I've taken about t= hree albums back - this was the first! :o)

Steve --MS_Mac_OE_3063787784_184390_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 08:55:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03989; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:51:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:51:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0ef901c08b8b$b2370880$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:42:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <15LuXD.A.i9.ZgBe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to Jan, Martin, Rich, Brian, and Max for answering my previous DL4 questions! I have a couple of more. :) 1) What is the maximum loop length? 2) What happens when you're recording and you exceed the maximum loop length? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 09:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05006; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:20:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:18:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: The Ugly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Ah! This is where I came in- - - >==== > >[Of course White contains all colors. That's why it's the opposite >of Black- which is the absence of all color. That's also why it's >silly to think you've said something when you champion *Gray*...] > >PS: To the freedom fighter above: No. Labeling someone facist for >entertaining the philosophical notion of absolutes is facist. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ this is a transmission from The Freedom Fighter. ok, so, i guess my labeling someone fascist (or was it "face-ist?") has more to do with the 4 cups of Kona coffee from Hilo, Hawaii that i consumed than someone actually being national socialist. but that coffee was strong enough to make ghandi shoot his mouth off. so, please except my decaffinated apologies but let it be noted that i still find it a bit strange when someone starts talking about things in absolute terms. hell, it's a free country - sort of - so say what you want. i was just spouting off.... now, pardon me as i have to join aquaman, amon tobin, primal scream and the rest of the mutants in order to save the world from the aliens that took over aerosmith in the mid-eighties. t Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 09:36:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05426; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:32:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:29:44 EST Subject: OT: 'desert isle' books To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jp, >Now you're gonna have to tell us, which books? i'm really *not* good at this: shifting opinions: shifting sense of 'self'. but, since so *few* of you posters seemed to reference 'loopy'-music in yer must-have-lists, i'll continue this lateral movement into OT: the magus, john fowles perfume, p. suskind riddley walker, russell hoban dzogchen: the self-perfected state, chogyal namkhai norbu rinpoche canopus in argos, doris lessing amnesia moon, jonathan lethem black snow, mikhail bulgakov the supreme source, adriano clemente & chogyal namkhai norbu rinpoche the golden letters, john myrdhin reynolds the crystal & the way of light, namkhai norbu rinpoche &, now that i'm into this, i'll jettison other 'survival gear' in favor of: walking on glass, iain banks feersum endjinn, iain m. banks the moment under the moment, russell hoban the journey of ibn fatouma, naguib mahfouz pilgermann, russell hoban the lion of boaz-jachin & jachin-boaz, russell hoban the union of mahamudra & dzogchen, chokyi nyima rinpoche the healing power of mind, tulku thondup rinpoche the jerusalem quintet, edward whittemore the real life of alejandro mayta, mario vargas llosa as it is, tulku urgyen rinpoche girl in landscape, jonathan lethem buddhism wothout beliefs, stephen batchelor (i would continue, but.....) *-( best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's: (@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 10:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06832; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:09:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:09:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.42] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:05:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 15:05:09.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[33C75D40:01C08B97] Resent-Message-ID: <9mZvDC.A.YoB.DnCe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: Max length is 14 sec. in full bandwidth or 28 sec in 1/2 bandwidth (yes, that does compromise audio quality...but live it is hardly noticeable...and still better than the Jam Mans' 31.5k) If you go longer, exceeding loop length? Hmmm..I haven't done that with DL4 (yet), but with the JamDude it just clicks off and begins loop playback...incomplete as it might be.(yea,I did once do a loop which ate every bit of JamBoy's 32 sec. memory!) Might I add: 14 sec. of sample time does not seem very long (esp. when you say it real fast), but in playing time it is plenty! For quick, easy and affordable loopage (esp. if you are using a guitar or bass as your sound source) the DL4 is hard to beat.... Max Valentino >From: "Dennis Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:42:45 -0500 > >Thanks to Jan, Martin, Rich, Brian, and Max for answering my previous DL4 >questions! I have a couple of more. :) > >1) What is the maximum loop length? > >2) What happens when you're recording and you exceed the maximum loop >length? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 10:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07402; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:41:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:41:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:35:17 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/31/2001 09:35:19 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, guys/gals, a dilemma: My collaborator and I have been recording together for a while now and have got some good material together, we think. We're proud of it. As we were recording, it was easy to include two guitars, bass, keyboards and rhythm despite the fact that it's just me and him. However, we've been given the opportunity to play live at a fairly cool gig (North by Northgate--for any of you Aggies) and are now faced with the grueling task of adapting our recorded material for live performance. Other than finding a drummer, bass player, keyboardist and DJ, how do we best approach this? There is a philosophical resistance to just playing to tape. My current solution is reducing each arrangement to its barest necessity, sequencing the whole thing and then choreographing the performance: "ok, for this song, I'll start out playing the guitar figure. Then, right before the chorus, I'll pick up the bass and play this line while the guitar is played by a sample triggered from the sequencer. After that, I'll switch back to guitar and play sustained chords, so that my right hand is free to play the counter melody on the keyboard. And then...." When someone asked why we were upset with the delay in the Repeater's release, this is my justification: a four-track loop sampler could do wonders for us. I see myself sweating. And falling over on stage on my way back to the bass. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 10:56:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07921; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:52:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:49:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 15:49:33.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[680E5530:01C08B9D] Resent-Message-ID: <5RzAJB.A.U7B.sQDe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I see myself sweating. > >And falling over on stage on my way back to the bass. > Now would that be considered performance art? Good Luck!:) Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 11:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09373; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:32:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227EA5@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: good intentions Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:29:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:12 PM > > >This is a wonderful discussion... > Indeed! I couldn't agree more. > What if we change the definition from intent on the composer > side to intent > on the listener side? i.e, "this is music because I hear it > as such," as > opposed to "This is music because i composed it as such." I > always loved > Cage's comment (and i am paraphrasing because my copy of > Silence is loaned > out at the moment), "Is a cement truck music? Is a cement > truck music if it > is driving past a music school?" This is exactly what I've been telling people for years, or trying to, anyway. It is based on the difference between hearing and listening. One *hears* sounds merely as part of the environment - whether it be a bird twittering, leaves rustling, or even a cement truck passing - and responds to them only if there is a need (e.g. if the cement truck is about to run you down). In *listening,* a certain sound or sounds is/are filtered out for appraisal. I can choose to listen to something in a "musical" sense. That is, I can listen to the sound of a bird as a "song" even though its intent is only as a territorial statement or mating call, and not entertainment. Likewise, I can listen to leaves rustling, or a cement truck passing, in a musical sense, even though it's just something moving. It's unlikely we'll ever know whether birds, cetaceans, or whatever, are actually "singing" for entertainment, but at least we have the ability to listen to it as such. I hope this has added something, even though the thread seems to have died a natural death. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 11:47:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09767; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:43:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:43:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c08ba4$72b473a0$290c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:39:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3OdB4B.A.WYC.9BEe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample > Ok, guys/gals, a dilemma: > My collaborator and I have been recording together for a while now > However, we've been given the opportunity to play live at a fairly cool gig > (North by Northgate--for any of you Aggies) and are now faced with the > grueling task of adapting our recorded material for live performance. > Other than finding a drummer, bass player, keyboardist and DJ, how do we > best approach this? Depending on your equipment and amount of time available, you could: 1. Just use a drum machine 2. Sequence MIDI 3. Record digital audio to augment the MIDI 4. Use all digital audio I want to share an anecdote from around 1991--I was entertaining in a lounge in Chula Vista (near the Mexican border) with option 3, and I had a complaints from customers. One was so bold as to say, "Turn all that s**t off! I can't tell if you're good or not!" When I spoke to the bartender about it, her words were that people were used to a "good old-fashioned drum machine". Folks like to see what they are listening to--even musicians look at the speakers when they are concentrating on music. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 11:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09945; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:45:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:44:06 EST Subject: Re: OT: 'desert isle' books To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5.d8b4ce4.27a99ad6_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c5.d8b4ce4.27a99ad6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 9:32:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: > perfume, p. suskind > how different from the other books.....one of my faves.....michael --part1_c5.d8b4ce4.27a99ad6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 9:32:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Texture444@aol.com writes:


perfume, p. suskind


how different from the other books.....one of my faves.....michael --part1_c5.d8b4ce4.27a99ad6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 12:04:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11007; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:00:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:00:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:55:04 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 01/31/2001 10:55:05 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>"Turn all that s**t off! I can't tell if you're good or not!" Exactly. There's where the "integrity of performance" part of my subject comes in. And yet, if you were to go to a, uh, say, Thievery Corporation show, you KNOW all of it is tape--maybe a bit of effecting, some turntableism. Still, this will be tough. I appreciate the anecdote. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 12:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11735; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:01:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 9 disks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1231162003==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <3cNZcC.A.k2C.jbEe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1231162003==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >You would give electric storm as a PRESENT???? I bought that years >ago, and have never been as scared by a disc in my life!!! Please, >if you're buying me gifts, leave that off the list. In 18 years of >record and CD buying, I've taken about three albums back - this was >the first! :o) > >Steve see? and Diamanda Galas on another post? you guys are wicked...gifts to friends...right... i'm imagining visiting my mom..."Hi mom! Oh, it's good to see you! Long time...well, i brought you some records...oh, here's the first one...it's called 'dog's blood rising'...some group called Current 93, thought you might enjoy it...and hmmm...oh here's a good one...'om' by that saxaphone player, john coltrane! you know how he "relaxes" you. and this last one i really thought you would like...some group called Carcass...i'm having trouble reading the title...what's up with these typefaces??? rich --============_-1231162003==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: 9 disks
You would give electric storm as a PRESENT???? I bought that years ago, and have never been as scared by a disc in my life!!! Please, if you're buying me gifts, leave that off the list. In 18 years of record and CD buying, I've taken about three albums back - this was the first! :o)

Steve


see?  and Diamanda Galas on another post?  you guys are wicked...gifts to friends...right...

i'm imagining visiting my mom..."Hi mom!  Oh, it's good to see you!  Long time...well, i brought you some records...oh, here's the first one...it's called 'dog's blood rising'...some group called Current 93, thought you might enjoy it...and hmmm...oh here's a good one...'om' by that saxaphone player, john coltrane!  you know how he "relaxes" you.  and this last one i really thought you would like...some group called Carcass...i'm having trouble reading the title...what's up with these typefaces???

rich


--============_-1231162003==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 12:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12869; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:52:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: 9 discs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm... Desert island: Trey Gunn - The Joy of Molybdenum Gaia Consort - Gaia Circles Living Colour - Pride Road trip: Sonny Sharrock - Seize the Rainbow Ronald Shannon Jackson - Red Warrior Praxis - Transmutation Gift: Ani DiFranco - Not A Pretty Girl David Torn - Tripping Over God Buckethead - Colma And 3 books (man does not live by music alone): Emma Bull - War For the Oaks Charles de Lint - Someplace to Be Flying Starhawk - The Twelve Wild Swans Tough choices to make, though. =) -Scott Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 12:57:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12785; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.196.60.38] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: White Noise: An Electric Storm in Hell Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:46:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 17:46:35.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[C10C5D70:01C08BAD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Giving the White Noise album to people is always a great experience. I still have never heard anything as simultaneously beautiful and horrifying as "The Visitation". I don't suppose it ever came out on CD. (I don't have time to compose my own list yet; this requires some thought) Roger Morrison PS: I don't actually loop myself, but I'm moving to San Diego next week and would love to jam (guitar primarily, keys, computer, and percussion when the mood strikes) with loopy types. Those in the SD area, please let me know what's up by private e-mail. (Of course, I'm scared that too much exposure to looping will create an uncontrollable urge for a real looping device (my ancient DSP128+ doesn't count!) _________________________ Desert Island (essential or memories of home and childhood?) Can: Tago Mago (best record ever) Cranes: Forever (imodest inclusion of own band) Velvet Underground: The velvet Underground and Nico Road Trip (Singalong or gazing outa window or or top down rocking music) Beatles: White Album (best beatles) Stereolab: Aliminium Tunes SexPistols: Never mind the bollocks Gift (All about educating your square friends) Renaldo and the loaf: Songs for swinging larve (Reminded of my mates = from Portsmouth by other list member, listened again. Scorn: evanescense White Noise: An electric Storm in Hell and the cheating tenth album that others have sneaked in would be... Leftfield: leftism (for paaaaaaaaarty!) Mark Francombe Red mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.8day.com/redweb/ ICQ: 4531031 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13968; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:02:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, who is Buckethead - I heard a rumour that it's the alter ego of another famous guitarist... Dave, you got a KFC deal going on? I guess we could compile 2 lists, one of people we've seen on stage with Buckethead, and another of vegetarian guitar heros, and that would narrow it down... :o) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Martin To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: 9 discs > Hmmm... > > Desert island: > Trey Gunn - The Joy of Molybdenum > Gaia Consort - Gaia Circles > Living Colour - Pride > > > Road trip: > Sonny Sharrock - Seize the Rainbow > Ronald Shannon Jackson - Red Warrior > Praxis - Transmutation > > > Gift: > Ani DiFranco - Not A Pretty Girl > David Torn - Tripping Over God > Buckethead - Colma > > > And 3 books (man does not live by music alone): > Emma Bull - War For the Oaks > Charles de Lint - Someplace to Be Flying > Starhawk - The Twelve Wild Swans > > > Tough choices to make, though. =) > > -Scott > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:08:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14175; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c08bb0$8f1e3380$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:05:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > see? and Diamanda Galas on another post? you guys are > wicked...gifts to friends...right... > > i'm imagining visiting my mom..."Hi mom! Oh, it's good to see you! > Long time...well, i brought you some records...oh, here's the first > one...it's called 'dog's blood rising'...some group called Current > 93, thought you might enjoy it...and hmmm...oh here's a good > one...'om' by that saxaphone player, john coltrane! you know how he > "relaxes" you. and this last one i really thought you would > like...some group called Carcass...i'm having trouble reading the > title...what's up with these typefaces??? Actually, this reminds me of the first time I ever heard Extreme Noise Terror - I went and woke my mum up as I couldn't believe what I was hearing - we sat up wetting ourselves laughing to hear the end of the Peel session in question.... and I ended up a big UKHC fan... :o) Don't think my mum ever did buy any Napalm Death, but she's pretty clued up on the bands around that time... :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:10:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13999; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c08bb0$3f333780$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:03:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, who is Buckethead - I heard a rumour that it's the alter ego of another famous guitarist... Dave, you got a KFC deal going on? I guess we could compile 2 lists, one of people we've seen on stage with Buckethead, and another of vegetarian guitar heros, and that would narrow it down... :o) Steve BTW, in my player at the moment is Rick Walker's Loop.pooL CD - some really really cool sounds and ideas. It's my first listen so I won't review it yet, but I'm digging it so far... ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Martin To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: 9 discs > Hmmm... > > Desert island: > Trey Gunn - The Joy of Molybdenum > Gaia Consort - Gaia Circles > Living Colour - Pride > > > Road trip: > Sonny Sharrock - Seize the Rainbow > Ronald Shannon Jackson - Red Warrior > Praxis - Transmutation > > > Gift: > Ani DiFranco - Not A Pretty Girl > David Torn - Tripping Over God > Buckethead - Colma > > > And 3 books (man does not live by music alone): > Emma Bull - War For the Oaks > Charles de Lint - Someplace to Be Flying > Starhawk - The Twelve Wild Swans > > > Tough choices to make, though. =) > > -Scott > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15052; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:12:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> <004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:11:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OK, who is Buckethead - I heard a rumour that it's the alter ego of >another famous guitarist... Dave, you got a KFC deal >going on? I guess we could compile 2 lists, one of people we've seen >on stage with Buckethead, and another of vegetarian >guitar heros, and that would narrow it down... :o) > >Steve > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15285; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:15:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:16:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. isn't that bizarre?? ...I think Fripp is lined up for the Faster Pussycat reunion, and Terje Rypdal is on for the Poison gig as soon as they call him... :o) ...and hey, if Tigertailz want a bassist, I'm there duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude......... :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16139; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:21:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c08bb2$9b61eea0$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:21:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. > > isn't that bizarre?? > > ...I think Fripp is lined up for the Faster Pussycat reunion, and Terje Rypdal is on for the Poison gig as soon as they call > him... :o) > > ...and hey, if Tigertailz want a bassist, I'm there duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude......... :o) > > Steve Spot the closet buttrocker! I remember someone on this list looped with a hot-pink electric ducilmer. I think we've found just the musician to do it justice :P Cheers, Simon P.S. Who is not a former member of Warrant. _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16389; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:24:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:24:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: adams.patriot.net: dusty owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) From: ";-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk" To: Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs In-Reply-To: <006101c08bb0$3f333780$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He is an alter-ego, but it's more like he has his PR person, and he has his guitarist persona, and the only reason he really does it is for a more zen-like approach to his guitar playing (no distractions). I forget his name, but it's Herbie something. Used to write a column for Guitar Player (as Buckethead, though). Ob: Dreamatorium (by Death Cube K) is kind of loopy, no? In a heavily processed reverbed kind of way? -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Steve Lawson wrote: > OK, who is Buckethead - I heard a rumour that it's the alter ego of > another famous guitarist... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:33:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17021; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:27:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$ b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:25:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. > >isn't that bizarre?? > >...I think Fripp is lined up for the Faster Pussycat reunion, and >Terje Rypdal is on for the Poison gig as soon as they call >him... :o) > >...and hey, if Tigertailz want a bassist, I'm there >duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude......... :o) > >Steve yes, it is bizarre but , hopefully, it will be a more ADVENTUROUS guns n' roses withbuckethead in the mix. from what i hear the show in rio was incredible both sonically and visually. Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17018; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c08bb3$afe37460$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <004201c08bb2$9b61eea0$1b86893e@music> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:28:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd like it to go on record that since about 1989, my head has been a mullet-free-zone... :o) Steve (who once owned albums by Cinderella, Vow Wow, Europe and Ratt, and feel much better for having confessed that...) > > > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. > > > > isn't that bizarre?? > > > > ...I think Fripp is lined up for the Faster Pussycat reunion, and Terje > Rypdal is on for the Poison gig as soon as they call > > him... :o) > > > > ...and hey, if Tigertailz want a bassist, I'm there > duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude......... :o) > > > > Steve > > Spot the closet buttrocker! > > I remember someone on this list looped with a hot-pink electric ducilmer. I > think we've found just the musician to do it justice :P > > Cheers, > > Simon > > P.S. Who is not a former member of Warrant. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:38:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17683; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: Subject: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:49:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C08B7B.E9C4C900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 18:30:48.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEA91880:01C08BB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C08B7B.E9C4C900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a naive newcomer to the group, here goes nothing! Desert: Talking Heads: Remain in Light Ween, Chocolate and Cheese Stevie Wonder, Innervisions Road Trip: Phish, the Siket Disc (flame me, but this is good jamming) Paul Oakenfold, Tranceport Johnny Cash, Live from Folsom Prison (for the sing-along) Friend/Gift: Marc Ribot, Y Los Cubanos Prostizos Jaco Pastorious, The Birthday Concert Tal Farlow, 1969 Return For inspiration, I would try and fit a bit of Django in my left shoe, = and some Bud Powell in my right. So there you go, Gregg ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C08B7B.E9C4C900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a naive newcomer to the group, here = goes=20 nothing!
 
Desert:
Talking Heads: Remain in = Light
Ween, Chocolate and Cheese
Stevie Wonder, = Innervisions
 
Road Trip:
Phish, the Siket Disc (flame me, but = this is good=20 jamming)
Paul Oakenfold, Tranceport
Johnny Cash, Live from Folsom Prison = (for the=20 sing-along)
 
Friend/Gift:
Marc Ribot, Y Los Cubanos = Prostizos
Jaco Pastorious, The Birthday = Concert
Tal Farlow, 1969 Return
 
For inspiration, I would try and fit a = bit of=20 Django in my left shoe, and some Bud Powell in my right.
 
So there you go,
 
Gregg
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C08B7B.E9C4C900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:39:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18512; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c08bb4$d0585d40$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <004201c08bb2$9b61eea0$1b86893e@music> <00d401c08bb3$afe37460$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:37:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > I'd like it to go on record that since about 1989, my head has been a mullet-free-zone... :o) > > Steve > (who once owned albums by Cinderella, Vow Wow, Europe and Ratt, and feel much better for having confessed that...) Did you used to loop with a BC Rich, yellow spandex and a hairdryer? Simon _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 13:48:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19354; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:45:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADCA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:43:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08BB5.A54A8640" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BB5.A54A8640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > I'd like it to go on record that since about 1989, my head has been a mullet-free-zone... :o) > > Steve > (who once owned albums by Cinderella, Vow Wow, Europe and Ratt, and feel much better for having confessed that...) Did you used to loop with a BC Rich, yellow spandex and a hairdryer? ** you must've been at namm the same day i was, because it's obvious that you know what steve does and that you just wanted to"out" him. funny how a guy who was doing a modulus demo at their booth was using the rich stuff at ashdown - - and the hair dryer seems to be a really integral part of what he does. ;-) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BB5.A54A8640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Buckethead, was 9 discs

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lawson" = <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk>


> I'd like it to go on record that since about = 1989, my head has been a
mullet-free-zone... :o)
>
> Steve
> (who once owned albums by Cinderella, Vow Wow, = Europe and Ratt, and feel
much better for having confessed that...)

Did you used to loop with a BC Rich, yellow spandex = and a hairdryer?

** you must've been at namm the same day i was, = because it's obvious that you know what steve does and that you just = wanted to"out" him. funny how a guy who was doing a modulus = demo at their booth was using the rich stuff at ashdown - - and the = hair dryer seems to be a really integral part of what he = does.

;-)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BB5.A54A8640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 14:09:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20868; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:06:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014101c08bb9$2676bba0$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Re: Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi, California Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:07:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZTVw.A.YFF.gIGe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Matthias!, > you asked: > "Did you build bridges between the artists, Rick? > Or is that usual now on loop festivals that one soloist takes over > directly from the other, not leaving any sound gaps the whole night? > > This is a new thing, so there is no usual. It was cool that it worked out > that way from Scott's set into Steve's set > (with me eventually fading Scott's last loop so that Steve could seque into > his first piece). Yeah, that just happened as I was listening to Scott's soundcheck, I thought it would be really nice to play over one of his soundscape pieces, but didn't want to hijack his set by asking to join him, so instead offered to give him some extra virtual stage time by leaving his last loop running. All it meant organisationally was that I got set up and ready before Scott finished his set and went straight on after an intro from Rick, who talked over the loop... I then did a loop of my own, Scott's was fade, and we sort of seamlessly blended from one to another. It was kind of fun to play over a loop of someone else's making (not something I do too often)... In the past I've put on gigs with no pre-recorded music all evening, bringing in a didj player to provide ambient noodles between acts and before the evening got going. It's a nice feeling to have every bit of music in a venue come from the artists involved... I quite often start a loop before anyone enters the venue and have that running at the beginning of the set, and then just get up out of the audience bit and join in, just to mess with people's heads a little, and break down ideas about artist/audience relationships... ...it can also help to have some other visual artist involvement, to further mess with the general preconceptions about convcert format. I did a gig recently solo and with my trio which involved a multi-media arts collective who installed scaffolding and projectors and TVs with video loops and all kinds of mad stuff into the venue, and set the chairs out so half of them weren't even facing the musicians... It seems to me that if you can create questions in the audience's mind before they start listening, they're going to be listening and observing on a higher level in order to try and get into whatever it is that you're doing... it seems to work for me... cheers Steve (BTW, next loop gig in London - March 2nd, with David Friesen - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 14:15:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20870; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:06:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227EA7@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: White Noise: An Electric Storm in Hell Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Morrison [mailto:ghiw@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:47 PM > > Giving the White Noise album to people is always a great > experience. I > still have never heard anything as simultaneously beautiful > and horrifying > as "The Visitation". I don't suppose it ever came out on CD. One of my all-time faves. In fact I copped the album title for one of the names for my radio show (for when it's all electronic - other times it's A Missing Sense). To be a bit pedantic, the album is actually just called "Electric Storm." The last track is "Black Mass: An Electric Storm in Hell." I believe it has been released on CD, but will have to check on that, so don't quote me. Jim Bailey p.s.: My radio programme is on CKLN-FM 88.1 in Toronto, and Real Audio at: ckln.sac.ryerson.ca It runs from 23:30 - 02:00 Eastern Time in North America, Sunday nights/Monday mornings. Yes, loop stuff does make frequent appearances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 14:31:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23012; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:26:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:26:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.70] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cats [Are they trustworthy?] Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:24:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 19:24:53.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CDC6E20:01C08BBB] Resent-Message-ID: <38_oK.A.ehF.jaGe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *All cats are gray*. I love it. During that whole thread I was waiting for someone to ask if Rhinoceroses exist or not. Not sure what I'd have said. Lance. You're okay [A bunch of you cats are okay]. Robb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 14:31:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21905; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:19:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:19:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c08bba$dc34ce40$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADCA@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:20:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I'd like it to go on record that since about 1989, my head has been a > mullet-free-zone... :o) > > > > Steve > > (who once owned albums by Cinderella, Vow Wow, Europe and Ratt, and feel > much better for having confessed that...) > > Did you used to loop with a BC Rich, yellow spandex and a hairdryer? > > ** you must've been at namm the same day i was, because it's obvious that > you know what steve does and that you just wanted to"out" him. funny how a > guy who was doing a modulus demo at their booth was using the rich stuff at > ashdown - - and the hair dryer seems to be a really integral part of what he > does. Hey, the BC Rich is signed by Elvira so watch what you're saying... The hairdryer, sadly, is no more - there I was, jamming with Ted Nugent at the Peavey stand (who BTW, make really great amps, no really...) and he had a flash-back, thought my rock 'n' mofo roll hairdryer was a stag, pulled out a 12 bore and blew it clean out of my hands... what can you do? Sadly, without the hairdryer, my glam career is nothing, so it's back to vaguely esoteric looping ambient, tuney bassy stuff for me, and having to setting for my sad and rubbish sounding Modulus 6 string fretless and Ashdown amp... :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 14:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23830; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:47:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADCD@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Buckethead, was 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:42:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08BBD.E99C2C60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BBD.E99C2C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > does. Hey, the BC Rich is signed by Elvira so watch what you're saying... The hairdryer, sadly, is no more - there I was, jamming with Ted Nugent at the Peavey stand (who BTW, make really great amps, no really...) and he had a flash-back, thought my rock 'n' mofo roll hairdryer was a stag, pulled out a 12 bore and blew it clean out of my hands... what can you do? Sadly, without the hairdryer, my glam career is nothing, so it's back to vaguely esoteric looping ambient, tuney bassy stuff for me, and having to setting for my sad and rubbish sounding Modulus 6 string fretless and Ashdown amp... ** i see a rehab program in the offing. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BBD.E99C2C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Buckethead, was 9 discs

> does.

Hey, the BC Rich is signed by Elvira so watch what = you're saying...

The hairdryer, sadly, is no more - there I was, = jamming with Ted Nugent at the Peavey stand (who BTW, make really great = amps,

no really...) and he had a flash-back, thought my = rock 'n' mofo roll hairdryer was a stag, pulled out a 12 bore and blew = it

clean out of my hands... what can you do? Sadly, = without the hairdryer, my glam career is nothing, so it's back to = vaguely

esoteric looping ambient, tuney bassy stuff for me, = and having to setting for my sad and rubbish sounding Modulus 6 = string

fretless and Ashdown amp...

** i see a rehab program in the offing.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08BBD.E99C2C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:05:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25235; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7870B9.AF656CD0@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:08:31 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cats [Are they trustworthy?] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > *All cats are gray*. > > I love it. During that whole thread I was waiting for someone to ask if > Rhinoceroses exist or not. Not sure what I'd have said. > > Lance. You're okay [A bunch of you cats are okay]. > Robb > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. have you read (or seen) ionesco's *rhinoceros*? one of my very favorites. it's funny, when i was four or five years old, back when santa claus was believable (at least to me) i wanted more than anything a stuffed toy rhinoceros (having just seen *daktari*, i think). when i came running out christmas morning, out of the pile of gifts under the tree, i zeroed in on one in particular, and said, without even knowing who it was for, "i know what's in that box! it's my rhino!" my mom still tells that story... lance g. ps: like gumbo?: a physicist who worked at los alamos after WWII, seeking help on a difficult problem, went to the great hungarian mathematician, john von neumann, who was at los alamos as a consultant. "simple," said von neumann. "this can be solved by using the method of characteristics." after the explanation the physicist said, "i'm afraid i don't understand the method of characteristics." "young man, said von neumann, "in mathematics you don't understand things, you just get used to them." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:10:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25888; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AaroneousAG@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:02:30 EST Subject: 9 disks To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Friends - Isn't this fun? Sure, it's KIND of off-topic, but it is interesting to see that, with some exceptions, I actually couldn't find anything to make fun of. (I'm not a big fan of prog rock, but some would say I'm just jealous of all those damn notes) I was definitely floored to learn that Roger from the Cranes is on the list - I saw you open for the Cure, and now that I know what delay box you use I'm gonna get busy cannabalizing your guitar sound - YUMMMM!! But, really, I think we're all pretty serious about music, and there doesn't seem to be any Winger fans amongst us, so that's good. As far as dt is concerned, about bringing books instead of music - I can only re-read just so much before I'm reciting along, but there's some music I can listen to over and over again, all day long, and still find something new. But those were some mighty weighty tomes, so perhaps the same would be true there. Anyway, I wanted to see if there are any other New York City based loopers up for getting together, and, possibly, putting on a festival like the Santa Cruz thingy. I have a big loft space in Long Island City Queens for jamming at all hours, and was wondering who'd be interested . . . let me know here or off list. Take Care All! 1-2-3 Repeater!! Aaroneous From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26759; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:16:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:16:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c08bc0$e0f35900$b0ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for Jnuary, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:02:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Top 20 as Reported to NAV and CD Revolutions WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for January, 2001. Shows #197 to #200; 28-December-2000 to 18-January-2001 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Braun, Broekhuis, Keller, & Schonwalder - Project inter.com - Manikin Braun,Broekuis,Keller - project inter.com - Manikin Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder - The Annazaal Tapes - Manikin Cassiel - Listen/Move - Atomic City Fanger & Kersten - Script - Manikin Fanger & Kersten - Splashdown - Manikin Klaus Schulze - Contemporary Works - Rainhorse/Manikin Kubusschnitt - The Cube - Neu Harmony Lambert - Pearls - Spheric Music Mind~Flux - Konception of Space - IC/Digit OZMA - A Huge And Silent Place - Atomic City Ozone Player - Insane Logic - Oy Visual Power Palantir - Empire of Illusions - Spheric Music Pyramid Peak - Random Events - Invisible Shadows Remy - The Art of Imagination - Groove Robert Rich - Sunyata - Hypnos Sean Washburn - Wave Mantra - none Surface 10 - In Vitro Tide - DiN Various Artists - ambient01@hyperreal - none Vidna Obmana - The Contemporary Nocturne - Hypnos Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26758; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c08bc2$a53c90a0$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:16:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9qJQoB.A.vhG.MJHe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > But, really, I think we're all pretty serious about music, and there doesn't seem to be any Winger fans amongst us, so that's good. I guess I'd be unsubcribe then. Remains from my teen years include a plethora or (for white lion fans) a "pride" of bad buttrock cd's - including not one, but two Winger cd's. While I can't stand this shite in my more mature mid-20's, I have a fondness for bad taste humour and therefore, can't part with such tragic possessions. The good thing about own these 2 cd's is that, when I'm feeling bad about my own music, I can pop on one of those babies, and release I haven't hit rock bottom yet. Cheers, Simon _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:21:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27324; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <36.11725b06.27a9cc9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:16:26 EST Subject: Re: Cats [Are they trustworthy?] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.11725b06.27a9cc9a_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_36.11725b06.27a9cc9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, robert_eberwein@hotmail.com writes: > Lance. You're okay [A bunch of you cats are okay]. > what about the rest of us?.....michael --part1_36.11725b06.27a9cc9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 2:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robert_eberwein@hotmail.com writes:


Lance. You're okay [A bunch of you cats are okay].
Robb
what about the rest of us?.....michael --part1_36.11725b06.27a9cc9a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28124; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:22:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 20:22:37.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DC40010:01C08BC3] Resent-Message-ID: <39mS8.A.M3G.wQHe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi....y'know I have had (recently) an very similar experience. I perform as a solo bassist with loops as my accompaniment. For a while I was using many pedal and rack effects to alter the sound of my basses (harmonizers, delays, 'verbs etc.) and using two different drum machines with very polyrhymical sequences loaded in. I found at a number of performances when I Just played solo bass (or solo bass with loops) the audience was enthralled and curious, but as soon as I hit the drum sequences 80% of them were lost....they couldn't care less about the technology or how clever and complex the rhythms were. To them, the performance became a type of lip-synch or even Kareoke! I was very bummed over this happening time after time. Then spoke with my good friend Rick Walker (Loop.pooL), who besides being a very knowledgeable and persistent looper, is also a percussionist extraordinaire. He offered me the advice of "playing" the drum machines...that is to tap in the pattern rather than just footswitching on a sequence. It seems audience really do like seeing a musician play, even if they are playing a machine (which all instruments are) or a mixing board...or turntables et al. But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing to alter the timbres. Certainly is not as drum-like as sequences or pre-recorded drum loops, but the audience response has been great! You could use a vocal mic and treatments to produce odd sounds and create your rhythmic loops ion real time, rather than deal with the publics' dislike and distrust for technology......I have found that sometimes they do not understand the looping techniques, but they certainly appreciate creativity in any form! Loop-a-licious....Max Valentino >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:39:56 -0800 > >----- Original Message ----- > >Subject: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample > > > > Ok, guys/gals, a dilemma: > > My collaborator and I have been recording together for a while now > > > However, we've been given the opportunity to play live at a fairly cool >gig > > (North by Northgate--for any of you Aggies) and are now faced with the > > grueling task of adapting our recorded material for live performance. > > Other than finding a drummer, bass player, keyboardist and DJ, how do we > > best approach this? > >Depending on your equipment and amount of time available, you could: > >1. Just use a drum machine >2. Sequence MIDI >3. Record digital audio to augment the MIDI >4. Use all digital audio > >I want to share an anecdote from around 1991--I was entertaining in a >lounge >in Chula Vista (near the Mexican border) with option 3, and I had a >complaints from customers. One was so bold as to say, "Turn all that s**t >off! I can't tell if you're good or not!" When I spoke to the bartender >about it, her words were that people were used to a "good old-fashioned >drum >machine". Folks like to see what they are listening to--even musicians >look >at the speakers when they are concentrating on music. >Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28991; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:31:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e201c08bc4$ff754420$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <002c01c08bc2$a53c90a0$1b86893e@music> Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:32:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > But, really, I think we're all pretty serious about music, and there > doesn't seem to be any Winger fans amongst us, so that's good. > > I guess I'd be unsubcribe then. > > Remains from my teen years include a plethora or (for white lion fans) a > "pride" of bad buttrock cd's - including not one, but two Winger cd's. While > I can't stand this shite in my more mature mid-20's, I have a fondness for > bad taste humour and therefore, can't part with such tragic possessions. > > The good thing about own these 2 cd's is that, when I'm feeling bad about my > own music, I can pop on one of those babies, and release I haven't hit rock > bottom yet. White Lion???? God, I'd forgotten about them... ...as soon as anyone mentions Skid Row I'm outta here... :o) Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 15:57:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30092; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c08bc7$0bae50e0$b0ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:47:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Linddsay, I recommend that you do what is easiest and the most satifying. Do it with just you and your partner. Rearrange each song for just two instruments and minimize how often you change instruments as that disrupts the flow of a live show. A good song will translate well into any orchestration - just don't get hung up with trying to play a song exactly like it is on your CD/tape/whatever. Carry the minimum amount of gear to save your back. Makes setup and tear down a snap and the gig will be much more pleasant for you. If you're having fun or sweating bullets, the audience will pick up on your condition and respond accordingly. And bring a looper just for fun! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: lindsay@pavestone.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample >Ok, guys/gals, a dilemma: > >My collaborator and I have been recording together for a while now and have >got some good material together, we think. We're proud of it. As we were >recording, it was easy to include two guitars, bass, keyboards and rhythm >despite the fact that it's just me and him. > >However, we've been given the opportunity to play live at a fairly cool gig >(North by Northgate--for any of you Aggies) and are now faced with the >grueling task of adapting our recorded material for live performance. >Other than finding a drummer, bass player, keyboardist and DJ, how do we >best approach this? There is a philosophical resistance to just playing to >tape. My current solution is reducing each arrangement to its barest >necessity, sequencing the whole thing and then choreographing the >performance: "ok, for this song, I'll start out playing the guitar figure. >Then, right before the chorus, I'll pick up the bass and play this line >while the guitar is played by a sample triggered from the sequencer. After >that, I'll switch back to guitar and play sustained chords, so that my >right hand is free to play the counter melody on the keyboard. And >then...." When someone asked why we were upset with the delay in the >Repeater's release, this is my justification: a four-track loop sampler >could do wonders for us. > >I see myself sweating. > >And falling over on stage on my way back to the bass. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 16:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31342; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:04:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:04:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c08bc8$db1ffa80$830c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <008c01c08bc7$0bae50e0$b0ae5cd1@-> Subject: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Upon further reflection the phrase was "good honest drum machine". I sort of agree with Bill Fox in principle, but I always wind up cluttering my performances with some sort of Sonic Helper--otherwise I'd be playing acoustic guitar and harmonica (not such a bad deal). "All we need is drummer, for people who only need a beat." Maybe sample the beat live, using Max/Rick's method of "playing" the drum machine? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 16:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31341; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:04:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:04:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f401c08bc8$01f92880$b0ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: CORRECTION to EMUSIC Top 20 Report for Jnuary, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:54:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for Jnuary, 2001 >Top 20 as Reported to NAV and CD Revolutions >WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to >New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for January, 2001. >Shows #197 to #200; 28-December-2000 to 18-January-2001 >Reported in non-ranked order. >ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL >============================ >Braun, Broekuis, Keller - project inter.com - Manikin The above should have been: Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder - Drei Manikin Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 16:31:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00874; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:23:57 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: inegrity of the loop Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Umm, dude, it's loops. MIDI loops, sampled audio loops, delay loops, loops loops loops ... just go rock man! Seriously, step back, accurately judge what you can and can't play and then just go for it. MY group has one guy on drum machines, one guy on synths, and another mixing and doing FX stuff. All we really do is a live mix-down and people dig it (mostly). $20.00 US says you'll do GREAT! :) SKID ROW FOREVER! LONGLIVE SEBASTIAN BACH! LONG LIVE RACHEL BOLAND! LONG LIVE SHANKE! LONG LIVE THAT GUY ON THE DRUMS! _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 16:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02069; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:40:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:40:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:38:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 21:38:37.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B7781B0:01C08BCE] Resent-Message-ID: <223a-.A.Hf.6XIe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At least some drum machines (maybe all?) let you program the phrases/loops in real time. You just set up a click track (you can turn the click level to 0 on mine), and build your rhythms from scratch. If you have to use a drum machine in a solo performance, that seems like it would be the way to make it the most interesting. Unless it's a rock song. I saw a musician named Quintron who had triggers for electric snare and bass drums under his feet while playing an organ. That worked really well, although it seemed to lend itself to simple rhythms. (Certainly not a complaint.) Personally, I learned to take out all elements of my live show that I can't make up on the spot. I've seen enough live shows with the musician(s) playing over a CD of pre-recorded music or a drum machine program that I made a personal vow never to put people through that myself. Most musicians who I've seen play pre-recorded music at their shows seem to think that if the pre-recorded music parts are really dynamic and interesting, it will take away the turn-off of having pre-recorded music on stage. It doesn't. In fact, it often makes it worse, since the musician winds up generating only a tiny fraction of the music live. I know I'm stepping on a lot of toes here. I'm not saying this to attack anybody, it's more in the direction of trying to be constructive discussion. A lot of audience members will be too polite to tell you this, so hear I am giving an audience member's perspective. Matt >From: "Gary Lehmann" > >Upon further reflection the phrase was "good honest drum machine". >I sort of agree with Bill Fox in principle, but I always wind up cluttering >my performances with some sort of Sonic Helper--otherwise I'd be playing >acoustic guitar and harmonica (not such a bad deal). >"All we need is drummer, for people who only need a beat." >Maybe sample the beat live, using Max/Rick's method of "playing" the drum >machine? >Gary > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 16:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03075; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:53:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 21:53:24.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C3441D0:01C08BD0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, so this is where this discussion started! Sometimes, you'll see a guitar stand on stage that holds the guitar at the level you'd be playing it. If you could find these for the guitars and basses, that could go pretty far for solving your problem, and would make for a great show if you could build something close to your album tracks doing only live looping from 2 people! If you can't do that, I'd suggest you ask yourself these questions: How much of your band's identity depends on the tracks being like the ones on the album? Were you invited to play album tracks? Or just to do a show? Would it work for you and your bandmate to bring all of your equipment, and play stripped down songs, or newly written songs, or just improvise to show what can be done by two people in a live setting? If you go this route, you don't have to switch instruments every 4 bars. I think if you manage to cover the ones you bring, people will be impressed. For example, you could do a song between keyboards and DJ booth, with one of them building a rhythm loop in the beginning, then another song on guitar and bass, then another on some other combination. Matt >From: lindsay@pavestone.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:35:17 -0600 > >Ok, guys/gals, a dilemma: > >My collaborator and I have been recording together for a while now and have >got some good material together, we think. We're proud of it. As we were >recording, it was easy to include two guitars, bass, keyboards and rhythm >despite the fact that it's just me and him. > >However, we've been given the opportunity to play live at a fairly cool gig >(North by Northgate--for any of you Aggies) and are now faced with the >grueling task of adapting our recorded material for live performance. >Other than finding a drummer, bass player, keyboardist and DJ, how do we >best approach this? There is a philosophical resistance to just playing to >tape. My current solution is reducing each arrangement to its barest >necessity, sequencing the whole thing and then choreographing the >performance: "ok, for this song, I'll start out playing the guitar figure. >Then, right before the chorus, I'll pick up the bass and play this line >while the guitar is played by a sample triggered from the sequencer. After >that, I'll switch back to guitar and play sustained chords, so that my >right hand is free to play the counter melody on the keyboard. And >then...." When someone asked why we were upset with the delay in the >Repeater's release, this is my justification: a four-track loop sampler >could do wonders for us. > >I see myself sweating. > >And falling over on stage on my way back to the bass. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03752; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.196.60.38] From: "Roger Morrison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:57:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 21:57:47.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[D90202E0:01C08BD0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At home (never on stage), I have played a drum pad controller (not a DrumKat, but something similar, I can't think of what it was right now) with my feet while playing guitar and singing. With some practice it might have worked, but as a one-off jam it was more amusing than listenable. As a looper one can switch back and forth between the instruments and not have to play them all at once, though (Rush, anyone?), and even switch between loops, so maybe the answer is more looping devices :) Roger Morrison >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:38:37 -0800 > >At least some drum machines (maybe all?) let you program the phrases/loops >in real time. You just set up a click track (you can turn the click level >to >0 on mine), and build your rhythms from scratch. If you have to use a drum >machine in a solo performance, that seems like it would be the way to make >it the most interesting. Unless it's a rock song. I saw a musician named >Quintron who had triggers for electric snare and bass drums under his feet >while playing an organ. That worked really well, although it seemed to lend >itself to simple rhythms. (Certainly not a complaint.) > >Personally, I learned to take out all elements of my live show that I can't >make up on the spot. I've seen enough live shows with the musician(s) >playing over a CD of pre-recorded music or a drum machine program that I >made a personal vow never to put people through that myself. Most musicians >who I've seen play pre-recorded music at their shows seem to think that if >the pre-recorded music parts are really dynamic and interesting, it will >take away the turn-off of having pre-recorded music on stage. It doesn't. >In >fact, it often makes it worse, since the musician winds up generating only >a >tiny fraction of the music live. > >I know I'm stepping on a lot of toes here. I'm not saying this to attack >anybody, it's more in the direction of trying to be constructive >discussion. >A lot of audience members will be too polite to tell you this, so hear I am >giving an audience member's perspective. > >Matt > >>From: "Gary Lehmann" > >> >>Upon further reflection the phrase was "good honest drum machine". >>I sort of agree with Bill Fox in principle, but I always wind up >>cluttering >>my performances with some sort of Sonic Helper--otherwise I'd be playing >>acoustic guitar and harmonica (not such a bad deal). >>"All we need is drummer, for people who only need a beat." >>Maybe sample the beat live, using Max/Rick's method of "playing" the drum >>machine? >>Gary >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:05:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04256; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:01:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:01:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:59:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 21:59:01.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[0523EC80:01C08BD1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Bill Fox" >Rearrange each song for just two instruments and minimize >how often you change instruments as that disrupts the flow of a live show. I saw Tortoise live 2 years ago, and they would switch instruments fairly often - sometimes twice or three times in a song. The guitarist and drummer would switch places, or 3 instrumentalists would start playing marimbas, or something like that. They had 5 or 6 musicians on stage though, and no more than 3 would switch at a time. Still - it was pretty awesome to see them do that in the middle of the song. I was really impressed. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:07:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04515; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:04:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:04:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:00:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- > Personally, I learned to take out all elements of my live show that I can't > make up on the spot. I've seen enough live shows with the musician(s) > playing over a CD of pre-recorded music or a drum machine program that I > made a personal vow never to put people through that myself. Most musicians > who I've seen play pre-recorded music at their shows seem to think that if > the pre-recorded music parts are really dynamic and interesting, it will > take away the turn-off of having pre-recorded music on stage. It doesn't. In > fact, it often makes it worse, since the musician winds up generating only a > tiny fraction of the music live. > > I know I'm stepping on a lot of toes here. I'm not saying this to attack > anybody, it's more in the direction of trying to be constructive discussion. > A lot of audience members will be too polite to tell you this, so hear I am > giving an audience member's perspective. > > Matt The very biggest reason I got into using electronics is that I can generate accompaniment without the inconvenience of rehearsing/paying other fellow musicians. I am in the business of providing music/entertainment for people, most of whom can't spell the circle of fifths or name a time signature. Most of the time they want the predictable, and they are content to hear me lean on electronics to play the song as they remember it. Guess it's the difference between art and commerce. So here is what I wonder-- When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use prepared audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? Is the thrill of seeing them dance/perform and hearing the song the way they are used to it enough to make it worth the tradeoff of not seeing musicians playing the parts? 'Cause I think Matt's right, and that most musicians would rather not play to tracks if they have the right musicians available. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06069; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:23:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 22:22:57.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D14B660:01C08BD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar >more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a >percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I >prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use >chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing >to alter the timbres. Max, others: I have found myself in exactly the oposite position! I am a drummer/percussionist trying to find ways to include melodies and harmonies in my performance. I am thouroughly opposed to using prerecorded samples/loops because I passionately believe that live performance is incredible powerful. So I find myself in the position of wishing for more melodic possibilities using percussion. I am in conflict between my minamalist nature and my wish for more molodic possibilities, which keeps me from going out and buying a marimba or similar. By minimalist, I mean I don't believe in thinking that I need to go buy something new so that I can make _good_ music. I believe that I can make music with whatever I have at the moment. So I have been working on techniques to get tones out of my drums. I have also been trying to (gasp!) sing, chant, and use body music (I never thought I had even a passable voice, but I'm finding ways to use it). I would love to hear ideas that other people have in this vein. Max: you might try some ideas that have worked for me in the past - actually use your body to make rhythms. Stomp your feet, clap your hands, slap your knees, whistle, hum, and make farting noises under your armpit.... Of course this requires a microphone, but think of the possibilities. I think this sort of thing could really endear you to the audience because these are things everyone can do. Plus you can practice these techniques anywhere! bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06733; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:35:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:35:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:34:25 EST Subject: ST.VALINTINES DAY MASSACRE.....gig spam.....pittsburgh pa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <5vO9rD.A.RoB.XMJe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....love all the talk about playing live.....how ap-pra-poe!.....on wed. feb 14, the M.KLOBUCHAR BAND or perhaps the RESSURECTION OF LONNY MUNN.....will preform SIMPLE MUSIC at DINGBATS CITY TAVERN in ONE OXFORD CENTER, downtown PITTSBURGH, 6:30 till they throw me out, which could be very quickly mind you!.....DON'T SHOW UP WITHOUT AN INSTRUMENT.....FREE LOOPS.....this will be my first "live/paying" performance since about 1975.....lets discuss "stage fright" and how do you all refocus that energy.....all pointers welcome..........michael --part1_2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....love all the talk about playing live.....how ap-pra-poe!.....on wed.
feb 14, the M.KLOBUCHAR BAND or perhaps the RESSURECTION OF LONNY
MUNN.....will preform SIMPLE MUSIC at DINGBATS CITY TAVERN in ONE OXFORD
CENTER, downtown PITTSBURGH, 6:30 till they throw me out, which could be very
quickly mind you!.....DON'T SHOW UP WITHOUT AN INSTRUMENT.....FREE
LOOPS.....this will be my first "live/paying" performance since about
1975.....lets discuss "stage fright" and how do you all refocus that
energy.....all pointers welcome..........michael --part1_2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:41:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06917; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:38:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c08bd5$ea9aead0$7944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:33:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <0Q2-WB.A.5pB.gOJe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's another suggestion that would probably mean taking a tonal tangent from your initial recording, but a fun exploration in any case for me, and more live oriented. Use some kind of input (drum pads, keyboard, blah, blah) to trigger electronic drum tones that are themselves a rhythmic phrase, either static or dynamic (the rhythym isn't exactly the same each time the tone is triggered for some reason). The biggest question for me would be what tones do I want to use. I don't necessarily want to trigger standard trapset grooves this way. More along the lines of the electronic equivalent of that nifty little percusion instrument (ok, I'm at work and in a hurry, neurons can't find the name yet) where you hit it and wooden flaps smack together for a few seconds - a physical delay! Or self perpetuating percussive events if you want, that's the idea that caught me. Why not have electronic self perpetuating percussive events that you play like that charming wooden clacker? (hey I think that's it, a clacker...stop laughing!). Prime suspects for me would be modulation, delay, pitch/time mangling. So I'd merrily mangle any old tone source I could work into a nice smacking sound that wooshed and faded away slowly into the woods like hoofbeats or something, but I digress. (Except one more thing, got some interesting things from the sound of the tape rewinding in my answering machine). It's interface-independent in my view, but I'd have more fun hitting pads than keys. (Hmmm, may consider building that paia trigger/midi converter...) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Personally, I learned to take out all elements of my live show that I > can't > > make up on the spot. I've seen enough live shows with the musician(s) > > playing over a CD of pre-recorded music or a drum machine program that I > > made a personal vow never to put people through that myself. Most > musicians > > who I've seen play pre-recorded music at their shows seem to think that if > > the pre-recorded music parts are really dynamic and interesting, it will > > take away the turn-off of having pre-recorded music on stage. It doesn't. > In > > fact, it often makes it worse, since the musician winds up generating only > a > > tiny fraction of the music live. > > > > I know I'm stepping on a lot of toes here. I'm not saying this to attack > > anybody, it's more in the direction of trying to be constructive > discussion. > > A lot of audience members will be too polite to tell you this, so hear I > am > > giving an audience member's perspective. > > > > Matt > > The very biggest reason I got into using electronics is that I can generate > accompaniment without the inconvenience of rehearsing/paying other fellow > musicians. I am in the business of providing music/entertainment for > people, most of whom can't spell the circle of fifths or name a time > signature. Most of the time they want the predictable, and they are content > to hear me lean on electronics to play the song as they remember it. Guess > it's the difference between art and commerce. So here is what I wonder-- > When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use prepared > audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? Is > the thrill of seeing them dance/perform and hearing the song the way they > are used to it enough to make it worth the tradeoff of not seeing musicians > playing the parts? > 'Cause I think Matt's right, and that most musicians would rather not play > to tracks if they have the right musicians available. > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 17:44:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07358; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:41:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.241.47.11] Reply-To: "Gregg Pavone" From: "Gregg Pavone" To: References: Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:00:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2001 22:40:38.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[D55FEE30:01C08BD6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ever hear/see Joe Craven from David Grisman Quintet? His percussion vocals are amazing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample >But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar >more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a >percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I >prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use >chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing >to alter the timbres. Max, others: I have found myself in exactly the oposite position! I am a drummer/percussionist trying to find ways to include melodies and harmonies in my performance. I am thouroughly opposed to using prerecorded samples/loops because I passionately believe that live performance is incredible powerful. So I find myself in the position of wishing for more melodic possibilities using percussion. I am in conflict between my minamalist nature and my wish for more molodic possibilities, which keeps me from going out and buying a marimba or similar. By minimalist, I mean I don't believe in thinking that I need to go buy something new so that I can make _good_ music. I believe that I can make music with whatever I have at the moment. So I have been working on techniques to get tones out of my drums. I have also been trying to (gasp!) sing, chant, and use body music (I never thought I had even a passable voice, but I'm finding ways to use it). I would love to hear ideas that other people have in this vein. Max: you might try some ideas that have worked for me in the past - actually use your body to make rhythms. Stomp your feet, clap your hands, slap your knees, whistle, hum, and make farting noises under your armpit.... Of course this requires a microphone, but think of the possibilities. I think this sort of thing could really endear you to the audience because these are things everyone can do. Plus you can practice these techniques anywhere! bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 18:10:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09455; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:07:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:07:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:05:54 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: 9 discs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA09423 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this took too long I know, but what the hell..... Stranded percy jones* cape catastrophy john scofield band* pick hits live in japan shakti* ??? Road Trip johansson, johansson, holdsworth * heavy machinery gongzilla* thrive "david, be kickin on this" john goodsall / brand x* the x files - a twenty year retrospective Gift wayne krantz * 2 drink minimum brand x* x comunication david sylvian* gone to earth cheers-Ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 18:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10734; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:48:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:48:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:47:31 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: 9 disques Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA10690 Resent-Message-ID: <5EU0EC.A.SnC.8QKe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh jeeze... here goes! I remember someone else mentioned the Afghan Whigs, "Gentlemen"... This is such an intense, personal album for me. Whew! Amen to that shit! Complete bullseye... -Miko Desert Island: Miles Davis - Big Fun Martin Carthy - Collection Terje Rypdal, David Darling - EOS Road Trip: Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen (soulful, intense and personal) The Beastie Boys - Check Your Head Nels Cline Trio - Ground Gifts for Friends: Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts David Torn - Tripping Over God Hildegard Von Bingen - Feather on the Breath of God From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 19:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10772; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:49:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:49:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, Mark's challenge was pretty hard to pass over so I slaved away last night on some drum related Repeater demo's. Jamie has posted them on our site for your eyes only! Just go to: http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/repeater_tests.htm Here is what you will hear..... drumswflange: 4 bar drum loop (captured in one shot with repeater) at 92.3 BPM slowed down to 1 BPM with a MIDI synced Flange. Electrix Mo-FX is on the FX insert receiving MIDI clock from Repeater. The clock is generated from the present loop tempo and keeps the flange in sync as I slow the loop down. I experiment a bit with the division control on Mo-FX which just changes the multiplier of the oscillator so the flange stays in sync while I change the groove. Some very cool tonal effects start to happen on the kick drum when slowed down to the extreme. reversedrums: The same 4 bar loop spun into reverse with MO-FX and FilterFactory on the FX insert. I have the Filter synced to Repeater and set on a 1:2 lfo division which I change around while sweeping the frequency control. The MO-FX is also synced with the delay band limiting set to just delay the lows and highs. I mess around with the delay divisions as well. There is also some auto panning and some flange at the end. drumswfilterndelay: The same 4 bar loop with MO-FX and FilterFactory on the FX insert at 92.3 BPM slowed down to 1 BPM. Again, through Repeater sending MIDI to the Mo and Filter they follow the drum loop as it slows down. Mo-FX is band limited with the tremolo set to auto pan in a sawtooth pattern following the same waveform as the filter. Again some wonderful tones and ambient noises occur when the drums are slowed down beyond recognition. drumslower: The same 4 bar loop at 92.3 BPM slowed down to 1 BPM with no FX. Suggestions for more demos are cool, just don't expect them to be turned around as fast as this one every time. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 19:12:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12443; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c08be3$3b92fe20$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 disques Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:09:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" > Oh jeeze... here goes! I remember someone else mentioned the Afghan Whigs, "Gentlemen"... This is such an intense, personal album for me. Whew! Amen to that shit! Complete bullseye... Gentleman made it to my list. It was one of those albums that I came across, that made me feel like I was deaf before hearing it. Subsequently have bought everything they've released. Greg Dulli is one of the few songwriters I am truly in awe of. Nobody can sing out of tune that well. 1965 almost made it to my list also. Simon _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 20:42:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15365; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c08bf1$dabef220$8b9a4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , Subject: Re: Cats [Are they trustworthy?] Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:54:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lance wrote: >have you read (or seen) ionesco's *rhinoceros*? one of my very favorites. Don't forget Ionesco's very first "anti-play" The Bald Soprano, perhaps the first known specimen of Theatrical Looping (the action builds to a maddening frenzy, the lights go out and the play begins all over again). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 22:16:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18249; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:12:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:12:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-To: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:15:53 -0600 Subject: Zendrums for melodic looping From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3063820553_2031708_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <6Vjr0D.A.-cE.gPNe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3063820553_2031708_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > From: "Jon Wagner" > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:57 -0000 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample > >> But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar >> more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a >> percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I >> prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use >> chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing >> to alter the timbres. > > Max, others: > I have found myself in exactly the oposite position! I am a > drummer/percussionist trying to find ways to include melodies and harmonies > in my performance. I am thouroughly opposed to using prerecorded > samples/loops because I passionately believe that live performance is > incredible powerful. So I find myself in the position of wishing for more > melodic possibilities using percussion. I am in conflict between my > minamalist nature and my wish for more molodic possibilities, which keeps me > from going out and buying a marimba or similar. By minimalist, I mean I > don't believe in thinking that I need to go buy something new so that I can > make _good_ music. I believe that I can make music with whatever I have at > the moment. So I have been working on techniques to get tones out of my > drums. I have also been trying to (gasp!) sing, chant, and use body music > (I never thought I had even a passable voice, but I'm finding ways to use > it). > I would love to hear ideas that other people have in this vein. Max: you > might try some ideas that have worked for me in the past - actually use your > body to make rhythms. Stomp your feet, clap your hands, slap your knees, > whistle, hum, and make farting noises under your armpit.... Of course this > requires a microphone, but think of the possibilities. I think this sort of > thing could really endear you to the audience because these are things > everyone can do. Plus you can practice these techniques anywhere! > bye- > jon Jon, I to am a percussionist and looper but I am fortunate to have Zendrums to get not only drum and percussion samples in the loop but also melodic elements from various sound sources. Currently I'm "downsizing "at the moment. Everything will be in a 6 space rack with a powermodule, old Korg 6 channel line mixer( soon to be replaced by a Mackie 1202) the new EMU Planet Earth, my EDP and a roland Handsonic. The Planet Earth slams. Arpegiators, loops, beats, 64 voice and effects...great world stuff as well as melodic pads lead sounds. I highly recommend getting into a Zendrum especially for melodic stuff. Tom Roady --MS_Mac_OE_3063820553_2031708_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Zendrums for melodic looping >
> From: "Jon Wagner" <= jondrums@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:57 -0000
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m
> Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample=
>
>> But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic= bass guitar
>> more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass a= s a
>> percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. &nb= sp;Now I
>> prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds,= use
>> chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound pro= cessing
>> to alter the timbres.
>
> Max, others:
> I have found myself in exactly the oposite position!  I am a
> drummer/percussionist trying to find ways to include melodies and harm= onies
> in my performance.  I am thouroughly opposed to using prerecorded=
> samples/loops because I passionately believe that live performance is =
> incredible powerful.  So I find myself in the position of wishing= for more
> melodic possibilities using percussion.  I am in conflict between= my
> minamalist nature and my wish for more molodic possibilities, which ke= eps me
> from going out and buying a marimba or similar.  By minimalist, I= mean I
> don't believe in thinking that I need to go buy something new so that = I can
> make _good_ music.  I believe that I can make music with whatever= I have at
> the moment.  So I have been working on techniques to get tones ou= t of my
> drums.  I have also been trying to (gasp!) sing, chant, and use b= ody music
> (I never thought I had even a passable voice, but I'm finding ways to = use
> it).
> I would love to hear ideas that other people have in this vein.  = Max: you
> might try some ideas that have worked for me in the past - actually us= e your
> body to make rhythms.  Stomp your feet, clap your hands, slap you= r knees,
> whistle, hum, and make farting noises under your armpit....  Of c= ourse this
> requires a microphone, but think of the possibilities.  I think t= his sort of
> thing could really endear you to the audience because these are things=
> everyone can do.  Plus you can practice these techniques anywhere= !
> bye-
> jon

Jon, I to am a percussionist and looper but I am fortunate to have Zendrums= to get not only drum and percussion samples in the loop but also melodic el= ements from various sound sources. Currently I'm  "downsizing &quo= t;at the moment. Everything will be in a 6 space rack with a powermodule, ol= d Korg 6 channel line mixer( soon to be replaced by a Mackie 1202) the new E= MU Planet Earth, my EDP and a roland Handsonic. The Planet Earth slams. Arpe= giators, loops, beats, 64 voice and effects...great world stuff as well as m= elodic pads lead sounds. I highly recommend getting into a Zendrum especiall= y for melodic stuff. Tom Roady --MS_Mac_OE_3063820553_2031708_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 22:34:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18756; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:31:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:31:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010131223305.007c0290@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:33:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 9 discs In-Reply-To: <69.10825f3e.27a97b58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd probably choose a different list on any given day, but right now it might be: Desert Isle: Gary Burton Quintet w/ Eberhard Weber: Ring Brian Eno: either The Shutov Assembly or Ambient 4/On Land Gyorgi Ligeti: Chamber Concerto - Ramifications - String Quartet #2 - Aventures - Lux Aeterna (Ensemble InterContemporain/LaSalle Quartet/Boulez) Road Trip: TransGlobal Underground: either Dream of 100 Nations or Psychic Karaoke Beatles: Anthology 2 (alternate takes, some with funny screw-ups, 1965-68) David Torn: What Means Solid, Traveller? Gift: Nels Cline/Gregg Bendian: Interstellar Space Revisited Loop Guru: Catalogue of Desires, Vol. 3 Edgard Varese: Complete Works From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 22:58:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19358; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010131215433.007f1b70@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:54:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: 9 discs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 9 disks: Desert Isle: Big Bad John - Jimmie Dean Davey Crocket James Bond Theme Songs Road Trip: Pink Floyd - Umagumma (sp) (too lazy to go get it) 13th Floor Elevators - Psych. Sounds Of Fever Tree - 1st LP Gift: Foghat - Box Set Miles Davis - Bitch's Brew KC - Fearless And Bible Black Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 23:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20418; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:10:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c08c04$2f7f3ec0$ad28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010131215433.007f1b70@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, those are my personnal choices: 9 disks: Desert Isle: -Steve Reich: Music for 18 musicians -John Coltrane: A love supreme -Pink Floyd: Dark side of the moon Road Trip: -The Velvet Underground/Nico's album -Alain Bashung: Chatterton -Leonard Cohen: Songs of love and hate Gift: -A disc of Erik Satie -Michael Brook: Cobalt Blue/Live at the aquarium -Lhasa De Sela: La Llorona (with Yves Desrosiers) Best, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 31 23:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20907; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <47.6daa5b9.27aa3d37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:16:55 EST Subject: Re: White Noise / Buckethead / Can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The White Noise's "Electric Storm" is out on cd by Island records, but only on Island Europe, not in the states. The guy that introduced me to the l.p. found it in Amsterdam. Buckethead's real name is Brian Schroeder, which, coincidentally enough, is also the artist Pushead's real name (Thrasher magazine, Septic Death, endless Metallica shirts, lots of punk album covers, etc). And Mark Francombe is correct, Can's "Tago Mago" IS the best album, ever. Discuss. - Bill Crossedout@aol.com