From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 00:31:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10595; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:25:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:25:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RChiare954@aol.com Message-ID: <18.57412e7.27588fdc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:23:40 EST Subject: triton Drum Loops and cakewalk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I'm currently using an enhanced version of Cakewalk Pro Audio 8 and the Triton. I am recording some of the drum patterns from the Triton into my hard drive as wav files via Cakewalk. I'd like to sync my midi tempo clock on cakewalk with the drum patterns BPM. I know cakewalk does have a Time Extracting feature that finds the steady beat of a wav file, but how do I sync it with the midi tempo clock? please help!!! thanks! Ricky C! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 00:31:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10577; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> References: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:28:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: When?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) > amazing really... I found that I produce the best by using the same gear over a long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive and the sounds are very familiar so I can get used to really express through them... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 01:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11032; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:01:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:01:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c05b5c$9fdaa840$83936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:33:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try kthuga Gareth Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual = effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music = Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi = files, but I expect that is asking too much. Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in = hearing your experiences. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Try kthuga

Gareth

Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual = effects=20 from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music Match = Jukebox.=20 It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi files, but I = expect=20 that is asking too much.

Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested = in=20 hearing your experiences.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 03:32:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12377; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:30:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:30:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49FBF@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Synching Lexicon Vortex Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:28:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA12350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In relation to the thread of a week or so ago, I am trying to synch my Vortex to midi, on the recommendation of someone on the list I looked into the Kenton Pro Kadi midi trigger unit. The friendly chaps at Kenton advised me the yes, indeed the pro Kadi is the beast for me so I ordered one. Turned up yesterday and (after a couple of hours battling with it) I got it to work.... sort of! It sends a clock signal OK which does trigger the Vortex tap input, HOWEVER it only divides the midi clock down to a maximum of 1 clock pulse to every 24 midi pulses which means the longest delay/loop/whatever I can get with it synchronised to midi is quarter notes or maybe half notes (didnt check exactly) When the Vortex is capable of looping whole bars or two, this is a shame... SO... I need to divide this further, to maybe double the length, does anyone know how to do this (someone on the list had tried the Kadi method...what did you do please?) either by SIMPLE modification of the Kadi or my a VERY simple additional curcuit??? clock divider maybe??? It cost me a bit so if I cant get it to work exactly how I want I'll probably return it and wait to get an EDP (still waiting for mine from the group but thing if anyone is reading from there...BTW)and use Mattias's special cable method... Pleas help me guys!! MArk Red mogul.com° ................................................... Mark Francombe Red drammensveien 134 N-0277 oslo norway tel +47 24 11 43 00 dir + 47 24 11 4515 mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.mogul.com personal homepage http://www.8day.com/redweb/ http://www.cranes-fan.com/ ICQ: 4531031 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 03:46:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12539; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:45:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:45:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200012010844.AAA26241@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0700 Subject: Re: When?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. delay to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt keep breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > >amazing really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >gear over a long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >and the sounds are very familiar so I can get used to really express >through them... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 05:01:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13098; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2760F4.CB4F0471@qb3.so-net.ne.jp> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:27:46 +0900 From: Chris Case Reply-To: chriscase@bigfoot.com Organization: The Greenhouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VS880 References: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anybody here using a Roland VS880? I just purchased one, and have been searching the net for info. It seems there was a VS880 Mailing List, but it's apparently now defunct. Is this an appropriate place to ask questions about it? I've been lurking here for a few months, and I expect that with the recent purchase I'll start to understand what people are talking about a bit better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 11:26:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16697; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:23:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:23:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Looping Visualeffects In-Reply-To: <3A25D9A8.84FA2D3A@cruzio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best visualization software I've ever seen is the Bomb by scott draves (www.draves.org/bomb). It's unbelievable. It's also very temperamental and tough to get working correctly, but the reward is far worth the effort. I've used it live with a laptop and lcd projector to excellent effect. There's also a port to opcode Max, so if you Max hackers want to midify the thing and make it do incredible stuff, it's more than encouraged. On the topic of Fruityloops, I just got the Electribe ES-1. I was pretty turned off by its cheezy dj look and feel, and mere 95 seconds of sample time, but it's really, actually, honestly just like having FruityLoops in a box. I'm never gigging with a laptop again. -><- On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rick Walker wrote: > Its' extraordinarily cheesy, but Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, > simplest most intuitive virtual drum machine in the world and I have > programmed most of them over the past 20 years) has a color organ that > goes with it. If you figure out the BPM of your loop and put the loop > in with just one trigger per measure, the color organ will groove on > down with you. > Seriously, the drum machine rocks: it uses any .wav files you have and > has a ton of simple and quick processing options. I use it with my > looping material a lot. > yours, Rick Walker > PS If you discover anything else, will you please e-mail me back with > it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 11:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17157; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200012010844.AAA26241@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200012010844.AAA26241@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:53:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: When?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >amazing really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds are very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >-- >god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. delay >to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant it. I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 12:02:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17369; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:00:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2631@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: When?? Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:30:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <_ZvhrD.A.KPE.dj9J6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh go ahead and buy a new toy! nothing like it to open up the creative pours. eventually we all hopefully get to a point where our gear is realized and therefore maximized in it's performing / recording usage. even then i find it good for the soul to score an occasional new toy ... my three month rule is if i don't use an item with in three months then it is gone to make room. i'll never forget the day i replaced 100's of pounds of rack gear with a 72 pound johnson millennium 150 amp ... best wishes jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? > >amazing really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds are very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >-- >god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. delay >to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant it. I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 12:20:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17887; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:19:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:19:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A27CFDE.1132@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:20:50 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? References: <200012010844.AAA26241@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my trusty Korg A2 started having problems, a while back, it had been the core of my gtr efx system for a long time, I was very used to it and knew how to make it do what I wanted, we fit. this being an older product I figured it was time to change, so I bought a bunch of stuff and worked with it, bought more stuff worked with that, got frustrated and pulled the noisy/dead LCD A2 back in and there was my sound. I went out and bought another A2 immediately and am sending my old one in for repair, I don't think its just a matter of knowing how it works but alot of my playing developed while using it so what it does is part of what I do. I'm sure I could manage w/o out it but to me its like the pickups I use, right hand techniques or anything else that makes me the (hopefully) unique player I want to be. if I had found something that did the same thing no prob, I have nothing against change, I have augmented it w/ other gear in my gtr rig and use lexi and other units for other purposes but there is definately something to be said for sticking with gear unless there is a compelling reason to change. that said I do admit to frequent bouts of gear lust, anybody using technology has to feel that pull once in a while. I'm curerently drooling to pickup a couple new pieces of software after the holidays peace, steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 12:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18111; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:31:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.234] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EVENTIDE USERS MAILING LIST ON LINE! ! ! Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:29:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2000 17:29:08.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[35E9FC00:01C05BBC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow loopers and tweakers...thanx to Ray Peck, Eventide users have a cool mailing list at www.egroups.com/group/eventide-users ! ! ! Open to anybody, lots of LD people and other great contributors. Please...anybody is WELCOME!!!...ciao ItalOOOp _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 13:17:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18808; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:14:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:14:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B1566DC9@msgatl06.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #383 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am buying a used Akai E1 Headrush from someone, but it comes with no manual. I could not find one on the Akaipro website. Other than contacting Akai, or asking some music store sales guy to xerox me a one, does anyone know where I can get one on-line? Or maybe even a page with tutorials or something on the Headrush? Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 13:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19367; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:41:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:41:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQDbRxDGH39Mk0wqK1vE0HKq78SkQIUUtdlxHxVxpnRUBhMD4JkYPpG5G8= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:40:02 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-ID: <15439-3A27F082-4733@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 13:53:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19563; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c05bc7$9ffab0c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:50:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The .pdf manual combined with some interest and patience would have gotten you far- my bet is regret- ;) c -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Pease To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 13:53:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19530; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BB8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: southern california gig spam Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:48:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05BC7.582D09A0" Resent-Message-ID: <_xjkB.A.7wE.kM_J6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05BC7.582D09A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy . . . for those who want to go to ventura . . . Ventura New Music Concert Series Dr. Eugene Chadbourne Solo Guitar and Banjo Opening will be the Jeff Kaiser Quintet Jeff Kaiser, tpt and electronics, looping Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics, looping Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics, looping Brad Dutz, percussion Richie West, drums Saturday, December 2, 2000 Ventura City Hall, Ventura California 501 Poli Street 8 PM $10 Admission NO ADVANCE TICKET SALES. Tickets at the door only. http://www.newcreativemusic.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05BC7.582D09A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" southern california gig spam

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Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics, looping
Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics, looping
Brad Dutz, percussion
Richie West, drums

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501 Poli Street
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C05BC7.582D09A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 14:17:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20134; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:15:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:15:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c05bc9$f716baf0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <15439-3A27F082-4733@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:07:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to hear about your high level of frustration. I feel like you're selling the wrong pieces of equipment, but then I'm not in your situation. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Pease" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial > Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was > so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old > Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't > end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 14:26:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20389; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A27FAAF.2CD8AE67@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:23:28 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? (mac OS) References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> <000201c05b5c$9fdaa840$83936fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I just found this site: http://www.onadime.com Might be useful/fun. There's a free demo. Mark whiteoakstudios wrote: > Try kthuga > > Gareth > > Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me > visual effects from a sound source. Something like the > colour screens in Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice > if the files could be saved a avi files, but I expect that > is asking too much. > > Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be > interested in hearing your experiences. > > Cheers > > Martin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 14:59:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21312; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:57:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:57:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012011952.LAA05698@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:57:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jordanpease@webtv.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jordan, Can you post the ebay url for your EDP's? I see a lot of the old tape echoplexs and one EPD currently priced at $1,000 but I don't see your two. I am interested in getting at least one more but not at $1,000! Not when Alto sells them around $700 new. -Allan ---------- >From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >Date: Fri, Dec 1, 2000, 10:40 AM > > Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was > so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old > Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't > end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 15:19:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21907; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-ID: <0056910008978349000002L192*@MHS> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:18:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 12/01/00 14:10:23" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA21769 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my god, when did you discover this learning disability? jordanpease@webtv.net on 12/01/2000 10:46:43 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Classification: Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 15:33:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22540; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:31:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:31:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001201143005.0080a100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:30:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial In-Reply-To: <004301c05bc9$f716baf0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <15439-3A27F082-4733@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps someone here could have helped you. Well oh well. Michael At 02:07 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry to hear about your high level of frustration. I feel like you're >selling the wrong pieces of equipment, but then I'm not in your situation. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jordan Pease" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM >Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial > > >> Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was >> so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old >> Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't >> end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL >> WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 15:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22761; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:41:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017701c05bd7$03802580$d921893e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: CENTROZOON : Update 3 (Slightly Off-Topic) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:40:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This week sees the launch of a newly improved official CENTROZOON website, which resides at http://www.centrozoon.de. The public production continues to make waves as 'The Cult Of: Bibbiboo' edges ever closer to her final form. But there's still time to enter 'the cult' and bestow your whims upon producer Derek Difilippo... Here are some of the new interactive goodies on offer:- * Diary - attempt to make sense of Bibbiboo's daily musings, or touch her spirit by posting your unanswered questions to The Oracle... * Bibbiboo Photo Galleries - "Who the hell is bibbiboo?" Check-out the models and vote ;-) * The Shrine - enthusiasts and supporters can now purchase CENTROZOON merchandise (CD's, T-shirts, etc.) directly from the official shop. And don't forget the Naming Contest, which is now fully underway. Check out the latest (MP3 / RealAudio) mixes, and submit your entries... The winning authors will ultimately see their titles in print on the ensuing album, as well as receiving a T-shirt and 'Blast' CD. If you missed my original post and are consequently wondering "who? / what? / why?", then my advice to you, as always, is to point your browser towards http://www.centrozoon.de and sample the divine beast first hand :-) We hope to see you there. Regards, Lee Fletcher. (My apologies for any cross-posting.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 15:48:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22937; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001201204438.9300.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Roland VS880 To: chriscase@bigfoot.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3ICT4.A.klF.D3AK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, The vs880 list looks alive to me http://www.mooncafe.com/4artists/ I've used a vs800 for about 3 yrs. They are wonderful, but has a learning curve to understand what is beneath the surface (behind the tiny display). Let me know if you have a specific question, offline. I used to subscribe to the vs880 list, but as it grew to thousands of members, hundreds of emails a day, mostly offtopic, I dropped off the list. Just now I tried to find some documents on the roland us web site that I had before that were helpful to me, but my old urls don't work there anymore. They had a vs-880 supplemental guide that was easier to follow than the manual. You can search for roland documents at http://www.rolandus.com/home-fst.html and may find a vs-880 reference that is different and better than the user manual. have fun, bret --- Chris Case wrote: > > Is anybody here using a Roland VS880? I just purchased one, and have > been searching the net for info. It seems there was a VS880 Mailing > List, but it's apparently now defunct. Is this an appropriate place > to > ask questions about it? I've been lurking here for a few months, and > I > expect that with the recent purchase I'll start to understand what > people are talking about a bit better. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 15:49:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23159; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAm2kJQ6jKCSVyeMrrxu+aIEsaAzoCFBYIf8xcyszqLMDFi7rxo75tJQ55 From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:47:10 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: E-BAY EDP URL Message-ID: <13062-3A280E4E-1247@storefull-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex Digital Pro for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1200185428 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 16:12:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23809; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:10:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:10:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0056910008978349000002L192*@MHS> References: <0056910008978349000002L192*@MHS> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:35:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Oh my god, when did you discover this learning disability? learning disability? jeez...since when was the Echoplex Digital Pro considered an easy processor to learn? or to operate successfully on anything more than a rudimentary (read: jamman) level? we take our own looping skills/technophilia for granted sometimes, methinks. despite it's limitations, the jamman is relatively easy to use, rock solid, flexible (when operated via midi), and fun, IMHO. i've had opportunities to buy EDP's, and i passed too, since it was unwieldy in ways that would have prohibited my way of working, and i knew i was in for a steep learning curve in order to make the investment worthwile. sure, i could have learned it and found ways to exploit it, but chose other toys to do the job at hand. seems pretty harsh to label someone with a learning disablity for choosing their tools, and letting us have a go at the goodies, no less. i'm assuming that your being sarcastic, no? two pennies is all it's worth, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 16:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24235; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:29:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:29:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-ID: <0056910008980771000002L112*@MHS> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:29:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 12/01/00 15:22:48" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA24200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I was being sarcastic and I forgot the power of the written word. Nevertheless, I really don't think the EDP is that hard to learn. It is like a guitar, easy to make some pleasant sounds quickly, and fun to work on for years and years in order to perfect the craft. Well, maybe what I was saying is that I love the EDP, respect it's capabiltiy, and I really think that it is worth spending the time to learn. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 17:42:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25296; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:30:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001201222943.15712.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1TIThB.A.2KG.WZCK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jordan, I can't answer your question about whether you are a fool, but your ebay adds seems likely to increase the confusion and misinformation about the echoplex digital pro by oberheim vs. gibson. In your add you state: This unit is one of the new versions made by Gibson, not to be confused with the older Oberhiem ones that were plagued with software problems. We have three of the 'older Oberheim ones' and they have the exact same software that your 'Gibson' echoplex has. Even if someone did have the earliest software for there 'older Oberheim' echoplex, they could buy the eproms with the latest software from Gibson for $45. However, even the software in your Gibson echoplex will be upgraded in due time (are we there yet, Kim?) In one of the adds you also mention the 'extra ROM is at another $100 at least'. I think you mean to say RAM instead of ROM. In a way I hope people start believing that the oberheim echoplex are 'plagued with software problems' so I can buy more Oberheims, at a lower price than the super, duper Gibson echoplex. After all, they are the same machine. bret --- Jordan Pease wrote: > Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I > was > so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my > old > Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I > don't > end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO > TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 19:02:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26851; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001201190228.007c7bc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:02:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #383 In-Reply-To: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B1566DC9@msgatl06.iss.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alex, The Headrush doesn't actually have a manual, just an instruction sheet. Most of it is identical to what you'll find on the Akaipro site (the explanation of the controls and features, and a list of the technical specs). The actual instructions are short enough that I can give 'em to you right here: **************************************** TAPE ECHO Basic Settings: (Blue-lettered controls) Minimum delay time is 10ms, maximum delay time is 5.9 seconds (HEAD 1) using TAP TEMPO. 1. Set the Mode Switch to TAPE ECHO. 2. Set the FEEDBACK, RATIO and HEADGAP controls to minimum. 3. Set the delay time by tapping the right hand footswitch twice. The delay time is always set by the last two taps, so you can keep altering the tempo if you want. NORMAL DELAY Basic Settings: (Red-lettered controls) Maximum delay time is 23.8 seconds using TAP TEMPO. 1. Set the Mode Switch to NORMAL DELAY. 2. (same as step 3 above) (Black-lettered controls work in either mode) LOOP RECORDING Basic Settings: (only uses the LEVEL control) If you do not overdub, you can record and make a loop of up to 23.8 seconds. The recording time is 11.9 seconds when using overdubbing. 1. Set the Mode Switch to LOOPING REC. 2. Start playing. 3. Step on the right hand footswitch to start recording. 4. Step on the left hand footswitch to stop recording. The loop is immediately played back when you stop recording. 5. Step on the right hand footswitch again if you want to overdub without erasing the previous recording. 6. Step on the left hand footswitch to stop overdubbing. The loop will continue being played back. Repeat 5&6 as many times as you like to build up a multi-layered loop. * To delete _all_ of the overdubbed phrases, step on the right hand footswitch again while overdubbing. * To stop playback of the loop, step on the left hand footswitch again. If you want to play the loop again later, step on the left hand footswitch again (while playing, you can even overdub again if you want by repeating 5&6). Note: - If your first recording is longer than 11.9 seconds, you cannot overdub a second track (pressing the right hand footswitch will have no effect). - When you make your first recording, the right hand LED will start flashing at 8.9 seconds to warn you that the 11.9 second limit for overdubbing is almost reached. When your first recording goes over 11.9 seconds, the right hand LED will start flashing again at 20.8 seconds to warn you that the 23.8 second time limit is almost reached. *********************************** That's all there is to it. It's really a very simple interface, and it takes less time to figure out than it did to type. Good luck, Tim At 01:12 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >I am buying a used Akai E1 Headrush from someone, but it comes with no >manual. I could not find one on the Akaipro website. Other than contacting >Akai, or asking some music store sales guy to xerox me a one, does anyone >know where I can get one on-line? Or maybe even a page with tutorials or >something on the Headrush? > >Thanks, > >Alex F/Brain21 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 19:58:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27844; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:57:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c05c03$0562eb40$886202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? 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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C05C01.87C2FF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 22:45:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30372; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:41:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:41:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c05c0f$23b4f320$0100a8c0@none> From: "phalen orion" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Fostex 2050 Line Mixer Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:22:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm considering a Fostex 2050 line mixer as part of my live loop/feedback/processor setup... can anyone clarify to me how well it works as a feedback mixer and give me some clear specs on the ins/outs? This will be used with 2 Korg Kaoss pads (feeding the input of one back into another should hopefully allow me to overdub loops and effected loops), an Akai Headrush and assorted other stuff like optical theremins, electribe es-1, etc. Right now I have a behringer eurorack 2004 (16/20 channel) mixer that only has 2 effects sends so basically i want to use this line mixer to augment that and give me more power to route effects and have more channels (I'm already getting low on channels ;D ). Thanks! Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 1 23:14:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30682; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A28667A.E9D328E7@qb3.so-net.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:04:15 +0900 From: Chris Case Reply-To: chriscase@bigfoot.com Organization: The Greenhouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VS880 References: <20001201204438.9300.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6mzgvC.A.LfH.AUHK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret wrote: > Chris, > The vs880 list looks alive to me > > http://www.mooncafe.com/4artists/ There's a link there for joining, but I tried it and got a message back saying "no such list exists here" > They had a vs-880 supplemental guide that was easier to follow than the > manual. You can search for roland documents at > http://www.rolandus.com/home-fst.html > and may find a vs-880 reference that is different and better than the > user manual. 'Thanks for the tip. I've downloaded a few documents... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 04:40:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01314; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001201143005.0080a100@mail.airmail.net> References: <004301c05bc9$f716baf0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <15439-3A27F082-4733@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:37:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We offered to help Jordan many times. You have here in this forum the actual designers of the echoplex, where we have been answering user's questions for years. The list archives and the web site are full of such explanations. Apparently that was not enough, and instead Jordan complained a lot that he needed a video to teach him. We would love to make a video, but unfortunately we are just a couple of people working hard developing the next versions, and do not have time or resources now to make videos. Instead, we begged Jordan to simply ask us directly for any help he needed. But he never asked! kim At 12:30 PM -0800 12/1/00, Michael Clark wrote: >Perhaps someone here could have helped you. Well oh well. > >Michael > > >At 02:07 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Sorry to hear about your high level of frustration. I feel like you're >>selling the wrong pieces of equipment, but then I'm not in your situation. >> >>Dennis Leas >>------------------- >>dennis@mdbs.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jordan Pease" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM >>Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >> >> >>> Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was >>> so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my old >>> Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't >>> end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL >>> WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 05:03:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01589; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:02:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:02:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001201222943.15712.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:01:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0800 12/1/00, Bret wrote: >Jordan, >I can't answer your question about whether you are a fool, but your >ebay adds seems likely to increase the confusion and misinformation >about the echoplex digital pro by oberheim vs. gibson. > >In your add you state: >This unit is one of the new versions made by Gibson, not to be confused >with the older Oberhiem ones that were plagued with software problems. yes, that is complete nonsense. The more recent versions labeled "Gibson" are identical to the the previous "oberheim" ones, except for the logo. The LoopIIIv5.0 software in the gibson ones is the same software that has been shipping in the echoplex for years. It's all in the echoplex FAQ on the LD site. The upcoming Gibson Echoplexes that should be coming out in a few weeks actually do have some very minor hardware changes. We added a limiter to the input so people can't overdrive it and clip the digital path to the loop, and fixed up some old hardware bugs. (the pin5 thing, and "andre's noise") >We have three of the 'older Oberheim ones' and they have the exact same >software that your 'Gibson' echoplex has. Even if someone did have the >earliest software for there 'older Oberheim' echoplex, they could buy >the eproms with the latest software from Gibson for $45. However, even >the software in your Gibson echoplex will be upgraded in due time (are >we there yet, Kim?) almost. You need to harass Matthias about that. :-) >In one of the adds you also mention the 'extra ROM is at another $100 >at least'. I think you mean to say RAM instead of ROM. neither one costs anywhere close to $100. 4MB simms cost about $5 each. We sell the 5.0 update for $45, but I think everybody must have it by now because we never get orders anymore. >In a way I hope people start believing that the oberheim echoplex are >'plagued with software problems' so I can buy more Oberheims, at a >lower price than the super, duper Gibson echoplex. After all, they are >the same machine. yep. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 05:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01905; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A28D5C2.E1E@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:58:11 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DJ/Homestudio Loopers, DJRND3 is now available at http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille SCSI-HD extension coming soon Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 12:05:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04597; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:03:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.57128e0.275a8528@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:02:32 EST Subject: AKAI Headrush To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Am I hallucinating? I though someone posted a message re: Akai Headrush's at a price of $139. I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone remember this post from a couple of weeks ago? Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 12:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04750; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:09:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: AKAI Headrush In-Reply-To: <6e.57128e0.275a8528@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-qB6_B.A.pJB.eySK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > Am I hallucinating? > > I though someone posted a message re: Akai Headrush's at a price of $139. I > can't find it anywhere. Does anyone remember this post from a couple of weeks > ago? Yes, there were two used ones on zzounds. The normal price for a hradrush from zzounds is still $169. The former existence of the two used ones can be seen on > A public service announcement - zZounds has used > Headrush units for $139. > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.AKAE1&z=918717784424 best, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 12:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04855; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A29203F.63D5@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:16:01 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AKAI Headrush References: <6e.57128e0.275a8528@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paul, they where available at zzounds, they sold the used ones already, they have a blowout on new ones at 169 and may have one left, move fast if its what you want steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 14:20:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06697; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A292EC1.F78970EF@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:17:54 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AKAI Headrush References: <6e.57128e0.275a8528@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Get a Line 6 instead. PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > Am I hallucinating? > > I though someone posted a message re: Akai Headrush's at a price of $139. I > can't find it anywhere. Does anyone remember this post from a couple of weeks > ago? > > Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 2 17:27:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09619; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:25:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:25:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001202171531.00be4670@192.168.3.5> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 17:20:23 -0500 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rob Switzer Subject: Ebay auctions of interest to looping guitarists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0ZNZs.A.0VC.0aXK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I'm offering a Roland GP-100, as well a Ground Control Foot Controller, GCX Switcher, and System Mix Plus audio mixer for sale on ebay. All are in excellent condition, having only seen home studio use, and come with original manuals. The reason I'm selling is that I also play reeds and am badly in need of a soprano saxophone. In the unlikely event someone wants to work a trade, email me privately. Check it out ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=516642490 best, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 00:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15541; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001203001811.00b20180@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 00:18:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Frisell...VS 880 In-Reply-To: <200012012043.PAA22814@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw Bill Frisell.... what a show..Village Vanguard, NYC, 12-2-00 part acoustic, bluegrass-y breakdown... part trio madness wide-prairie jazz.... part crazy looping textures - gear included a line 6 DL4, digitehc 8 sec PDS, boss delay, ibanez Tube screamer.... into 2 little fender amps... wow!! -- this guy just makes it always seem sooo easy... and musical......swweeeeet. With Kenyy Wolleson-drums and Tony Scheer - bass and slide guitar.. ALSO - i have a VS 880 - and wil gladly answer some ez questions via private email andre' PROJECT OBJECT Zappa Tribute New Years Eve 2001 w/ IKE WILLIS !!!! feat. "JOE'S GARAGE" in entirety! Secure, Credit card Ordering via http://www.projectobject.com NEW CD - "absolutely LIve" -- available http://www.phoenix-media.com Live at Wetlands Aug 200 with.... IKE WILLIS (Zappa Guitarist/Vocalist)..... GARY LUCAS (Captain Beefheart Guitarist)..... JOE DENINZON (NYC Violinist) over an hour of Live Zappa music!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 00:24:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15496; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:21:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:21:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001203051352.00a89e10@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 05:13:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #384 In-Reply-To: <200012012043.PAA22814@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA15476 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 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>effects? >(mac >OS) > >[ >Mark >Sottilaro > >] > > >Re: >Echoplex >on >e-bay/Tutorial > > > > > > > >[ >kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com >] > > >Re: >Echoplex >on >e-bay/Tutorial > > > >[ >Michael >Clark > >] > >Administrivia: >Looper's >Delight >**************** > >Please >send >posts >to: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Don't >send >them >to the >digest! > >To >subscribe/unsubscribe to >the >Loopers-Delight >digest >version, >send >email >with "subscribe" >(or >"unsubscribe") in both >the >subject and >the >body, >with >no >signature >files, >to: > >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > >To >subscribe/unsubscribe >to the real Loopers-Delight list, >send >email >with >"subscribe" (or >"unsubscribe") in both the subject and >the >body, >with no >signature files, >to: > >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Check >the web >page >for >archives and lots of other >goodies! > >http://www.loopers-delight.com > Your >humble list maintainer, > Kim >Flint >kflint@loopers-delight.com >Date: Thu, >30 Nov 2000 21:23:29 >-0600 >From: >konarsteenberg >To: >loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: >help with >sick >Digitech >pds2700 Message-ID: > >Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset=us-ascii; >x-mac-type="54455854"; >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Hello looping >friends. I have a tale of >woe that I hope the more >technologically >sophisticated among you might be >able to help me cope >with. I have a PDS >2700 which I adore and which is >now (temporarily I >hope) silenced by an >unknown malady. It started with >loud hum that would >suddenly kick in in >the middle of my playing for no >apparent reason. It >was loud enough to >overpower the guitar signal. To >get rid of it, I would >unplug and replug >the adapter (9 volt, not the >recommended 10 volt). >Sometimes it took two >or three such hard resets to >get rid of the noise. >Then one day Mr. >Green just stopped putting out any >signal at all. The >LEDs still light >up as if everything is fine, but no >signal goes through >to the amp, not >even the accursed hum. I opened it up >and don't see any >loose >connections, just a lot of intimidating integrated >circuitry. >One >curious item -- the stereo output appears to have only one >lead. In >any >event, I am hoping against hope that someone may have >suggestions >for >repair/troubleshooting. Could the 9v adapter have caused >the >problem? >The unit currently doesn't work with batteries any better >than >with an >adapter. Thanks in advance for your looper compassion. >Date: >Wed, 29 Nov >2000 20:38:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker To: Loopers >Delight >Subject: Re: >Looping Visualeffects Message-ID: >Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Its' >extraordinarily >cheesy, but Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, >simplest most >intuitive virtual >drum machine in the world and I have >programmed most of >them over the past >20 years) has a color organ that >goes with it. If you >figure out the BPM >of your loop and put the loop >in with just one trigger >per measure, the >color organ will groove on down >with you. Seriously, the >drum machine >rocks: it uses any .wav files you >have and has a ton of >simple and quick >processing options. I use it with >my looping material a >lot. yours, Rick >Walker PS If you discover >anything else, will you >please e-mail me back >with it? Date: Fri, 1 Dec >2000 00:23:40 EST From: >RChiare954@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: triton >Drum Loops and >cakewalk >Message-ID: Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, >I'm >currently using an enhanced >version of Cakewalk Pro Audio 8 and >the >Triton. I am recording some of >the drum patterns from the Triton >into my >hard drive as wav files via >Cakewalk. I'd like to sync my midi >tempo >clock on cakewalk with the drum >patterns BPM. I know cakewalk >does have a > Time Extracting feature that >finds the steady beat of a wav >file, but how >do I sync it with the midi >tempo clock? please help!!! >thanks! Ricky C! >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 >03:28:39 -0300 From: Matthias Grob > To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: > >Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > >> >Why is the solution to all >my problems "more gear?" ;-) > >amazing >really... I found that I produce >the best by using the same gear >over a >long time, so that all the >operation becomes intuitive and the >sounds are >very familiar so I can get >used to really express through >them... -- > ---> >http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov >2000 21:33:57 >-0000 From: >"whiteoakstudios" To: Subject: Re: Looping >Visual effects? >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: >multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000" Try kthuga > Gareth Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual >effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music >Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi >files, but I expect that is asking too much. Has anyone else attempted >anything like this? I would be interested in hearing your experiences. >Cheers Martin > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:28:57 +0100 From: Mark Francombe To: >"'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Synching Lexicon Vortex >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In relation to the thread of a week or so >ago, I am trying to synch my Vortex to midi, on the recommendation of >someone on the list I looked into the Kenton Pro Kadi midi trigger unit. >The friendly chaps at Kenton advised me the yes, indeed the pro Kadi is the >beast for me so I ordered one. Turned up yesterday and (after a couple of >hours battling with it) I got it to work.... sort of! It sends a clock >signal OK which does trigger the Vortex tap input, HOWEVER it only divides >the midi clock down to a maximum of 1 clock pulse to every 24 midi pulses >which means the longest delay/loop/whatever I can get with it synchronised >to midi is quarter notes or maybe half notes (didnt check exactly) When the >Vortex is capable of looping whole bars or two, this is a shame... SO... I >need to divide this further, to maybe double the length, does anyone know >how to do this (someone on the list had tried the Kadi method...what did >you do please?) either by SIMPLE modification of the Kadi or my a VERY >simple additional curcuit??? clock divider maybe??? It cost me a bit so if >I cant get it to work exactly how I want I'll probably return it and wait >to get an EDP (still waiting for mine from the group but thing if anyone is >reading from there...BTW)and use Mattias's special cable method... Pleas >help me guys!! MArk Red mogul.com° >................................................... Mark Francombe Red >drammensveien 134 N-0277 oslo norway tel +47 24 11 43 00 dir + 47 24 11 >4515 mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.mogul.com personal homepage >http://www.8day.com/redweb/ http://www.cranes-fan.com/ ICQ: 4531031 Date: >Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0700 From: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: >Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: >7bit god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff >that i currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. >delay to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > >amazing really... I found that I >produce the best by using the same >gear over a long time, so that all the >operation becomes intuitive >and the sounds are very familiar so I can get >used to really express >through them... >-- > > > ---> >http://Matthias.Grob.org > > Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:27:46 +0900 From: >Chris Case To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VS880 >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; >x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Is anybody here using a Roland VS880? I just purchased one, and have >been searching the net for info. It seems there was a VS880 Mailing List, >but it's apparently now defunct. Is this an appropriate place to ask >questions about it? I've been lurking here for a few months, and I expect >that with the recent purchase I'll start to understand what people are >talking about a bit better. Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:51:45 -0500 (EST) >From: noah To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Looping Visualeffects >Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The best >visualization software I've ever seen is the Bomb by scott draves >(www.draves.org/bomb). It's unbelievable. It's also very temperamental and >tough to get working correctly, but the reward is far worth the effort. >I've used it live with a laptop and lcd projector to excellent effect. >There's also a port to opcode Max, so if you Max hackers want to midify the >thing and make it do incredible stuff, it's more than encouraged. On the >topic of Fruityloops, I just got the Electribe ES-1. I was pretty turned >off by its cheezy dj look and feel, and mere 95 seconds of sample time, but >it's really, actually, honestly just like having FruityLoops in a box. I'm >never gigging with a laptop again. -> Its' extraordinarily cheesy, but >Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, > simplest most intuitive virtual drum >machine in the world and I have > programmed most of them over the past 20 >years) has a color organ that > goes with it. If you figure out the BPM >of your loop and put the loop > in with just one trigger per measure, the >color organ will groove on > down with you. > Seriously, the drum machine >rocks: it uses any .wav files you have and > has a ton of simple and quick >processing options. I use it with my > looping material a lot. > yours, >Rick Walker > PS If you discover anything else, will you please e-mail me >back with > it? > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:53:57 -0300rom: Matthias ob > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >amazing >really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a >long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds are >very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >-- >>god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >>currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. delay >>to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >>expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt >keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant it. >I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But >a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 >years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx >box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the >guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Fri, 1 >Dec 2000 10:30:15 -0600 From: Jimmy George To: >"'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: When?? Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" oh go ahead and buy a >new toy! nothing like it to open up the creative pours. eventually we all >hopefully get to a point where our gear is realized and therefore maximized >in it's performing / recording usage. even then i find it good for the soul >to score an occasional new toy ... my three month rule is if i don't use an >item with in three months then it is gone to make room. i'll never forget >the day i replaced 100's of pounds of rack gear with a 72 pound johnson >millennium 150 amp ... best wishes jimmy george >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias >Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:54 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? > >amazing >really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a >long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds are >very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >-- >>god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >>currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. delay >>to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >>expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt >keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant it. >I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But >a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 >years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx >box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the >guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Fri, >01 Dec 2000 12:20:50 -0400 From: T To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: When?? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding_01C05BC7.582D09A0" . . for those who want to go to ventura . . . > Ventura New Music Concert Series Dr. Eugene Chadbourne >Solo Guitar and Banjo Opening will be the Jeff Kaiser Quintet >Jeff Kaiser, tpt and electronics, looping >Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics, looping >Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics, looping >Brad Dutz, percussion >Richie West, drums Saturday, December 2, 2000 >Ventura City Hall, Ventura California >501 Poli Street >8 PM >$10 Admission NO ADVANCE TICKET SALES. Tickets at the door only. >http://www.newcreativemusic.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:07:34 -0500 >From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear about your high level of >frustration. I feel like you're selling the wrong pieces of equipment, but >then I'm not in your situation. Dennis Leas ------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Pease" To: >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial > > Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I >was > so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my >old > Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I >don't > end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO >TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! > Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:23:28 >-0800 From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? (mac OS) Message-ID: Content-Type: >text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey I just found >this site: http://www.onadime.com Might be useful/fun. There's a free >demo. Mark whiteoakstudios wrote: > Try kthuga > > Gareth > > > Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me > visual >effects from a sound source. Something like the > colour screens in >Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice > if the files could be >saved a avi files, but I expect that > is asking too much. > > >Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be > interested >in hearing your experiences. > > Cheers > > Martin > Date: Fri, >01 Dec 2000 11:57:49 -0800 From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jordanpease@webtv.net Subject: Re: >Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; >charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jordan, Can you post >the ebay url for your EDP's? I see a lot of the old tape echoplexs and one >EPD currently priced at $1,000 but I don't see your two. I am interested >in getting at least one more but not at $1,000! Not when Alto sells them >around $700 new. -Allan ---------- >From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan >Pease) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Echoplex on >e-bay/Tutorial >Date: Fri, Dec 1, 2000, 10:40 AM > > Well, It feels weird, >but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was > so excited When I got >them back in May, but I find myself using my old > Jammans more. Never got >the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't > end-up regretting this >later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME >!!!!! > > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:18:48 -0600 From: >kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO >12/01/00 14:10:23" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: >8bit Oh my god, when did you discover this learning disability? >jordanpease@webtv.net on 12/01/2000 10:46:43 AM Please respond to >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Echoplex on >e-bay/Tutorial Classification: Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my >two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was so excited When I got them back in May, but I >find myself using my old Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, >I guess. Hope I don't end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? >MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 >14:30:05 -0600 From: Michael Clark To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-Id: Content-Type: >text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Perhaps someone here could have helped you. > Well oh well. Michael At 02:07 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry to >hear about your high level of frustration. I feel like you're >selling the >wrong pieces of equipment, but then I'm not in your situation. > >Dennis >Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jordan Pease" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM >>Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial > > >> Well, It feels weird, but I >just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was >> so excited When I got them >back in May, but I find myself using my old >> Jammans more. Never got the >hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't >> end-up regretting this >later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL >> WOULD HAVE SAVED ME >!!!!! >> > > PROJECT OBJECT Zappa Tribute New Years Eve 2001 w/ IKE WILLIS !!!! feat. "JOE'S GARAGE" in entirety! Secure, Credit card Ordering via http://www.projectobject.com NEW CD - "absolutely LIve" -- available http://www.phoenix-media.com Live at Wetlands Aug 200 with.... IKE WILLIS (Zappa Guitarist/Vocalist)..... GARY LUCAS (Captain Beefheart Guitarist)..... JOE DENINZON (NYC Violinist) over an hour of Live Zappa music!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 03:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17945; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:14:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:14:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A27FAAF.2CD8AE67@zerocrossing.net> References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> <000201c05b5c$9fdaa840$83936fd4@y5w2s5> <3A27FAAF.2CD8AE67@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:19:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Try kthuga have version 1.0 and found it fun - for some time. Its at ftp://ftp.afn.org//cthugha/ It could grow much further... Did they abandon it? Any newer version? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 03:20:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18088; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0056910008978349000002L192*@MHS> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:24:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Oh my god, when did you discover this learning disability? > >learning disability? jeez...since when was the Echoplex Digital Pro >considered an easy processor to learn? Since the beginning :-). I sold the LOOP delay with only a footswitch for Record and Overdub and with those two its as easier as any other loop device. Then you can start introducing other switches and by trying, you find out what they do, no? And then yes, the cross functions may do unexpected things... Shure, it gets complicated when you start changing parameters, using sync, brothering... but thats because the other units dont offer those options. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 09:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22041; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:23:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:23:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2AD3E3.1D46159@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:14:43 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #384 [RANT] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andre wrote: > > At 03:43 PM 12/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 384 Today's Topics: help > >w 28 K of quotes snipped (the whole digest) end of snip we get an add: > > PROJECT OBJECT Zappa Tribute New Years Eve 2001 w/ IKE WILLIS !!!! blabla bla in this message we get 28k of useless quoted text we all already have gotten earlier and all that for a gig announcement that concerns perhaps 3 people hey you, all digest users please please please :edit your replies please 1- edit the header because "Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #384" is not really interesting and useful for the reader 2-do not quote the whole digest: the vast majority of the planet still pays the internet conection and finnally nobody care of your response if we have to find in the middle of the digest the line your responding to 3- if all this is too much work join the regular mailling list so it it easyer to reply to our posts 4- whats great also is that you are going to get your own 28k again because everything goes to the digest end of rant thank you Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 15:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26834; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:58:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:56:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 repair issues Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 207.69.31.170 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com recently my line 6 dl4 stopped working in 14 second mode which sucks sine i mainly use it for just that purpose! i have been having a hell of a time getting my RA number so i can send it off to be repaired under warranty. anyone else have this much trouble dealing with them? thanks c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 15:05:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26948; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2AA7D9.F035DB01@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 12:06:49 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 repair issues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually just the opposite. I sent an email from their automated FAQ/repair on line and had a response within a day. After I sent the serial number and all of that back to them I received a phone call from them with my RA# and the location to send it to. No problems at all. Try going through the On-line support section at www.line6.com. This seems to be how they're handling things these days. Kevin magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > recently my line 6 dl4 stopped working in 14 second mode which sucks sine i mainly use it for just that purpose! i have been having a hell of a time getting my RA number so i can send it off to be repaired under warranty. anyone else have this much trouble dealing with them? > thanks > c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 15:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27740; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:51:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:51:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRWOcCOneeDQmHiOsvQzDB70pPOIQIUfce76zLFzRGbxHzYbBxz1WjvjBA= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:50:51 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Debrief Message-ID: <4996-3A2AB22B-8915@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boy that was fast ! I sold both my EDPs on e-bay for $800 each in less than 48 hours, with minimal regrets. And I've still got my two Jammans to console me ! I am thankful that Kim has maintained this list and for the things I have learned here, but I must say I'm a bit offended by his harsh comments. Perhaps I am a little "learning disabled", but the reality is that the EDP is a difficult product to learn and the manual is of little help. Yes I could have stuck with it longer, but I'm doing this "just for fun" and my experiences with the EDP were more frustrating than fun most of the time. Contrary to his assertions, I did ask for and receive help from others on and off this list, but I never really felt as comfortable using the EDP as I was with the Jamman. Besides, the kind of help I was seeking could only really be had one-on-one, which is why I was so vocal about the idea of a tutorial video. BTW- if a good one was ever was produced, I might go get another EDP ! I really am crazy, see !! :) As I was telling someone else on this list (but outside the open forum), I would never have become a musician if I didn't like to connect wires and turn knobs so much ! Consequently, I love to be in love with my gear, and I've cycled through a lot. Perhaps I could have learned to love the EDP, as I had so hoped to. Now the Repeater is the new object of my affection ! Kim, "humble list maintainer", I respect you and what you do for the looping community, and I have stood-up for you a couple of times when you've offended others, but man you can be arrogant ! And as for confusing people on e-bay about older Oberhiem EDPs- I'm sorry, I guess I was confused myself. I had gathered from this discussion list that the older versions of EDPs were glitch-prone. My sincere thanks to Matthis, Gary, and the others on this list who've helped and encouraged me. Sorry if I've disappointed you. Looking forward to more "just for fun" experiences with the Repeater, Jordan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 16:33:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28337; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:31:29 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Debrief From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4996-3A2AB22B-8915@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_EhyDD.A.n6G.rurK6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let us know how the Repeater sits with you. I may have to get one of them there gadgets too! Ye ha! _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > Looking forward to more "just for fun" experiences with the Repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 17:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29201; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001203172341.00b2d550@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:23:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Oops!! sorry for 28K noise In-Reply-To: <200012032053.PAA27795@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Claude Voit > >28 K of quotes snipped (the whole digest) > >end of snip >we get an add: > >> > PROJECT OBJECT Zappa Tribute New Years Eve 2001 w/ IKE WILLIS !!!! >blabla bla > >in this message we get 28k of useless quoted text we all already have >gotten earlier >and all that for a gig announcement that concerns perhaps 3 people > >hey you, >all digest users please please please :edit your replies please > >1- edit the header because "Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #384" is >not really interesting and useful for the reader >2-do not quote the whole digest: the vast majority of the planet still > thanks!! i made a grave mistake , slipped and hit SEND before changing the heading, editing etc completely. I'm sure somewhere you'v e done the same - sorry tho' as for my sig file-- i think it's pretty common for musicians to plugtheir work. i'll turn it off now tho, thanks andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 18:41:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30529; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:38:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:37:40 EST Subject: Re: Oops!! sorry for 28K noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i for one am interested in the zappa/zappa related material - you can advertise to me anytime - Harry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 3 19:37:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31340; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:33:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:33:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2AE6A3.14D0A499@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:34:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: 49/32 Radio updates 8/2000 to 12/3/2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, Happy Holidays and all that stuff. I've updated the part of the 49/32 Radio archives from August 2000 to December 3, 2000 (this weekend). Mid-March to August 2000 will get done in the near future. 49/32 Radio is the very first all microtonal streaming audio program on the net. Microtonal is a term that loosely covers any music outside of the 12 tone equal temperament commonly accepted in the Western world - the notes in between the frets of a guitar or the pitches between the keys of a piano. Microtonality isn't a style of music, rather an approach to pitch. Recent programs featured Vishwa Mohan Bhatt, Mohamed Abdel Wahab, Chas Smith, Anaympatti S. Dhandapani, Talip Ozkan, Musicans from the Deserts of Rajasthan, Hariprasad Chaurasia, the Master Musicans of Jajouka, Anthology of World Music: The Music of Tibetan Buddhism, Carter Scholtz, The Monks of the Drepung-Loseling Monastery, David Maranha, Jah Wobble & the Invaders of the Heart, Jon Catler and the Evolution Ensemble, Neil Haverstick, Pauline Oliveros, John Cale, Tony Conrad, Angus Maclise, La Monte Young, Marian Zazeela and Arnold Dreyblatt and the Orchestra of Excited Strings http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 02:30:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04336; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4996-3A2AB22B-8915@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <4996-3A2AB22B-8915@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:32:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Debrief Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6LQ6ID.A.eDB.4c0K6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >My sincere thanks to Matthis, Gary, and the others on this list who've >helped and encouraged me. Sorry if I've disappointed you. You didnt, just follow your trail, thats ok! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 16:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14585; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:13:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001204211053.24622.qmail@web4206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:10:53 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: trigger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Waldorf 4-pole and I'm using it as a pedal effect for my guitar. It has a audio input and a trigger input. Does anyone knows what can I use as a trigger input? No sequencers, just a simple foot switch that I could control the start of the envelopes. Thanks Henrique ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 19:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17967; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:08:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:08:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003e01c05cda$cfbbef40$095ad2d1@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: improv + looping in Jungian reflection Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:40:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <8fIHNB.A.QYE.NGDL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am working on the project of utilizing improvisation and looping in Active Imagination and other forms of analytical reflection on shadow, archetypes, etc., based on CG Jung and others. Another part of the project is a art-expressive workshops for small groups. Is there anyone with similar interests? (Not necessarily new age stuff, including dealing with brain waves, etc. -- I don't need that.) petr dolak petr@tryi.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C05E1D.E9A45F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 19:41:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18770; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:38:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:38:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Sam Cranley To: "'Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Please remove my address Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 04:34:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0vk8k.A.7kE.OjDL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is cranley@thinkcity.com Would you please remove me from your email broadcast list? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Sam Cranley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 4 21:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21377; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:44:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:44:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:44:24 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even though Jordan's post would lead one to believe that he has a Repeater in hand, I've yet to hear of any of them hitting the streets. I'm wondering what the progress/prognosis is on the Repeater. We haven't heard from Damon in a while, and I noticed that a request a while back for a status report went unanswered. I've been mostly lurking on looper's delight for a couple of months, with my yen for a "looper of my own" has been getting stronger all the time. The Repeater really looks like a good start for me (nice price/feature point from what I can tell), but on the other hand, I hear from a Gibson rep that EDP's will be available very shortly, but only for a brief time (shipping in mid-Dec, and then not available again until at least Feb). If the Repeater looks like a pretty sure bet in the next month or two, I'll hold off. But I'd really like to know whether to wait, or to grab a "bird in the hand" =) Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 00:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23936; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:41:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:41:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c05e7d$f36b6ac0$8d9ed8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> Subject: Repeater Most Desireable Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:41:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- Aren't the Repeaters all gonna be accounted for when they actually ship? That being said, it's also much cheaper than the EDP, isn't it? Does the unit ship with the card? An aside to those who own the PMC and EDP--what do you use the control pedals for? I'm using one on the PMC for various things, but haven't started using a second pedal . What does anyone use the pedal for besides volume and feedback? Cheers, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 03:23:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25510; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c05e94$95adcce0$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: Repeater update Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:23:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've written to the Electrix Customer Support. They told me that the "repeater has been delayed until early January and should hit the stores by the 3rd week of january". Let's hope so... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 03:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25997; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:56:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:56:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:55:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:44 PM -0800 12/4/00, Mountain Man wrote: >Even though Jordan's post would lead one to believe that he has a >Repeater in hand, I've yet to hear of any of them hitting the streets. >I'm wondering what the progress/prognosis is on the Repeater. We >haven't heard from Damon in a while, and I noticed that a request a >while back for a status report went unanswered. > >I've been mostly lurking on looper's delight for a couple of months, >with my yen for a "looper of my own" has been getting stronger all the >time. The Repeater really looks like a good start for me (nice >price/feature point from what I can tell), but on the other hand, I hear >from a Gibson rep that EDP's will be available very shortly, but only >for a brief time (shipping in mid-Dec, and then not available again >until at least Feb). If the Repeater looks like a pretty sure bet in >the next month or two, I'll hold off. But I'd really like to know >whether to wait, or to grab a "bird in the hand" =) aside from the most rudimentary loop functions, the feature sets of the two are very different. One clearly does not replace the other. Perhaps you should decide what it is that you want to do, and choose the one that does those things? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 04:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26339; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 04:06:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 04:06:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c05e9a$a68ce540$a80978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> <000b01c05e7d$f36b6ac0$8d9ed8cc@gary> Subject: A Most Bitchin' Application of the PMC-10 Foot Controller Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:06:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all you happy loopers-- I found another great looping application of the PMC-10 by Digitech! With the Echoplex Digital Pro (nearly available in stores!) and a MIDI controllable effects device (or MIDI mixer--MOTU etc) (I am using the GT-3, with volume controlled by CC 7), here's how to create a balance pedal. Set Expression pedal 1 to volume of guitar, with minimum at 40 or so on controller 1, and volume of the EDP on controller 2, with polarity reversed. All the way forward is just direct, all the way back is full volume loop, with just a little live ax. I am curious as to what other great MIDI strings all y'all have come up with. The PMC is the foot controller everybody on this list could use! Even so, I'm afraid to sell my Mitigator, although I'm not sure if it's good to go--I'm tempted to buy a second PMC to have as a backup. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 06:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27707; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:38:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:38:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c05eaf$c62b7b40$ddc7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> <000b01c05e7d$f36b6ac0$8d9ed8cc@gary> <000901c05e9a$a68ce540$a80978d8@gary> Subject: EDP Multiply without recording revisited Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:37:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey-- You can record using multiply and not add new material if you are in delay mode and have the volume pedal backed down. Gary ----- Original Message ----- > At 12:44 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: > >Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so > >but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what > >I play while multiplying.- Thanks- > > Then Floyd Miller wrote: > You could turn down the input control all the way. > But why? all multiply without recording would do is > make copies of the original loop which would be the > same as just letting the original loop play, except > the multiple loops would use up more memory. And then Gozanabit explains: Here's why-- Sometimes I have a phrase which works as the first part of a phrase, but needs to be a multiple, i. e., it does not repeat enough times--you know, like the first 4 bars of the blues, say. Then I want to insert the next part, but in order to fool the audience into thinking that it's live (!), I need to keep playing thru the doubling of the first part while I multiply to get to the proper place in the progression. See, I'm not using any more than one loop yet. I haven't needed or wanted to switch between loops since the Echoplex has such an abundance of power. Much better to compose the tune and arrange the parts as I go along--then it will play correctly ''til Kingdom come (or the audience gets ugly). Unfortunately there is this limitation. Good to know what the boundaries are . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 12:13:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04363; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:10:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:10:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater update Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, I'd be interested in hearing your observations about the feature differences you see between the two products - EDP and Repeater. What will be the performance impact of the different feature sets in your view? Thanks, Kevin "Gettin' ready to buy one of these things..." > aside from the most rudimentary loop functions, the feature sets > of the two > are very different. One clearly does not replace the other. Perhaps you > should decide what it is that you want to do, and choose the one that does > those things? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 12:55:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05166; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:53:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: abduction scene Subject: semi-OT: cheap weighted keys to loop To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all- Can anyone suggest an inexpensive keyboard with weighted keys? Doesn't have to be anything amazing. Weighted keys and price are the first criteria, since this will be used mostly to write/ tinker/loop with. I want to see if I'd get into it before dropping a bundle on a keyboard. Thanks, -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 13:15:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05506; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c05ee6$ce7a8980$6cc7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> <000b01c05e7d$f36b6ac0$8d9ed8cc@gary> <000901c05e9a$a68ce540$a80978d8@gary> <001301c05eaf$c62b7b40$ddc7d8cc@gary> Subject: EDP Delay mode Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:11:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow-- In delay mode with the foot pedal backed off, threshold will not trigger! Not until you "open" the loop. This can be very cool--play for a while until you begin the loop, with a volume swell . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 14:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06324; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:02:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:02:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2D3BC9.FFD@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:02:33 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re DJRND3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4lQP2C.A.UiB.wtTL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks Perille! Looks good... DJRND3 is the DJRND2 Big Mac (TM) Happy meal More loops, more memory, more fun ! "Bon appetit mes amis !" (Uncle Bens) DJRND3, a french looping recipe Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 15:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07459; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:04:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:04:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c05ef6$4399e9e0$b29cd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3A2C5688.409DB3CE@cloud9.net> <000b01c05e7d$f36b6ac0$8d9ed8cc@gary> <000901c05e9a$a68ce540$a80978d8@gary> <001301c05eaf$c62b7b40$ddc7d8cc@gary> <000d01c05ee6$ce7a8980$6cc7d8cc@gary> Subject: Re: EDP Delay mode Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:02:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK folks-- This only works in "retrigger" threshold; i. e., there is material in the EDP and then you "arm" for recording (quantize on) by pressing record, but until the delay mode volume pedal is activated, no retrigger! Also the volume by MIDI and volume pedal in loop mode seem to be redundant--that is, each affects the EDP independently. Gary > Wow-- > In delay mode with the foot pedal backed off, threshold will not trigger! > Not until you "open" the loop. This can be very cool--play for a while > until you begin the loop, with a volume swell . . . > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 16:00:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08757; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:54:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:54:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: semi-OT: cheap weighted keys to loop Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:48:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can anyone suggest an inexpensive keyboard with > weighted keys? This may be more than you planned on, but I've been reading reviews about the FATAR StudioLogic stuff. Guitar Center is pushing the SL990 for $500 (searching the internet might get it for <$400 new I see). For a few hundred bucks more you can get one with 'zones' and some controllers. I was gonna buy an SL-880 one but on impulse decided to jump on Jordan's recent EDP garage sale! (Thanks!!!) Best price I saw on the SL-880 was $569.00 ( http://marketplace.harmonycentral.com/Scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=27986469 &SiteCatNo=52612 ) that's an auction, but it looks like an endless supply and you might actually get it for the $569 price. I'd be interested in anything that is worth mentioning in the even-lower prices ranges, but the FATAR sounds like its hard to beat. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 16:22:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09191; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:19:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:15:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: This Friday in Chicago--Four Theremins and One Guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA09132 Resent-Message-ID: <1t3M_D.A.3OC.btVL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'll be performing solo, on Springboard and Echoplex, opening for... The Lothars (from Boston): Four Theremins....... One Guitar...... All Heart 9:30 p.m. Friday, December 8 at the Nervous Center "...The Lothars conspire to create a monstrous edifice of noise. Ramona Herboldsheimer's purposeful electric strumming just about manages to hold together the joyfully bizarre arrangements of audio squiggles and deep space scrawls which Kris Thompson, Jon Bernhardt and Brendan Quinn produce on their theremins." — Ken Hollings, The WIRE. The Nervous Center is at 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. next door to the Davis Theater. Telephone: (773) 728-5010. The Lothars home page: http://www.wobblymusic.com/lothars After their set I'll join The Lothars for some improvisations to conclude the evening. Best regards, Eric sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon upcoming performances: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 16:23:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09197; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:20:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:20:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001205151810.007cf100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:18:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian reflection In-Reply-To: <003e01c05cda$cfbbef40$095ad2d1@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Explain more fully what you are doing. Thanks, M. At 09:40 PM 12/2/00 -0600, you wrote: >I am working on the project of utilizing improvisation and looping in >Active Imagination and other forms of analytical reflection on shadow, >archetypes, etc., based on CG Jung and others. Another part of the >project is a art-expressive workshops for small groups. Is there >anyone with similar interests? (Not necessarily new age stuff, >including dealing with brain waves, etc. -- I don't need that.) > >petr dolak >petr@tryi.com > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 16:34:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09491; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001205212930.53702.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 13:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: abduction scene Subject: RE: This Friday in Chicago--Four Theremins and One Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris Thompson is quite good. He has performed with Lauri des Marais a number of times. He sometimes can sound like the more experimental Michael Brook. Definitely worth checking out...wish I was near Chicago. Good luck, Eric! -abduction- > Ramona Herboldsheimer's purposeful electric strumming just about > manages to hold > together the joyfully bizarre arrangements of audio squiggles and > deep space scrawls which Kris Thompson, Jon Bernhardt and Brendan > Quinn produce on their theremins." — Ken Hollings, The WIRE. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 18:04:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12008; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:02:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2747@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Hello Fellow Loopers ... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:29:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If any of you are in Austin Texas over this next weekend I will be performing my Looping Extravaganza show opening up for Tim Reynolds (Dave Mathew's super groovy guitarist) Friday December the 8th. I loop my vocals and guitar through my Boomerang with much lush layering of sounds / effects galore! Ala Bobby McFerrin meets King Crimson ... The show is at Lucy's Retired Surfers Bar located downtown on 6th Street. I go on at 8:30 and Tim goes on at 11:00pm. Tickets are 13.00 at the door. This show will sell out early. If you email me directly I will get you in the show for free. Just a FYI heads up. Peace and health to you all, Jimmy George http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 19:47:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14446; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:45:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:45:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:44:23 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7rekkD.A.dhD.9vYL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey. I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. I ordered a GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the 27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a customer service manager at Musician's Friend. I was totally lied to. Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was missing all of the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the double sided tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. I was totally lied to. Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx rep today, I find that still no trace has been put on this order. Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 and I should receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my synth will be useless. So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:03:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14822; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:02:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:02:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BD1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT - - NAMM Reverb Goodies? Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05F1F.B3583060" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F1F.B3583060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could be on topic if you consider that i would use the 'verb before one of my loopers . . . Anyone hear any skuttlebutt about reverb pedals coming out for this January's NAMM show?? jes' wondering . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F1F.B3583060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" OT - - NAMM Reverb Goodies?

Could be on topic if you consider that i would use the 'verb before one of my loopers . . .

Anyone hear any skuttlebutt about reverb pedals coming out for this January's NAMM show??

jes' wondering . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F1F.B3583060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:30:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15317; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c05f23$5d54b360$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:25:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5WqMgC.A.FvD.4WZL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, This is OT, but since we tend to buy a lot of stuff, it might be useful information. Did you pay with a credit card? If Musician's Friend won't cancel your order, you can have your credit card company refuse payment to them. Just call the number on your card, explain the situation, and they can probably help you in disputing the claim (unless your credit card company is run by a bunch of jerks too). Look on the back of your statement and you should see a section called "Statement of Disputed Items," with a list of legitimate reasons. You might even try calling Musician's Friend first, and telling them that you will dispute the charge unless they refund your money. That's worked before too. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! > Hey. > > I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. I ordered a > GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) > I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the > 27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not > received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking > number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. > Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out > yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a > customer service manager at Musician's Friend. > > I was totally lied to. > > Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, > Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the > salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He > claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman > launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if > it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same > package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was missing all of > the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the double sided > tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. > > I was totally lied to. > > Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by > yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. > Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might > take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse > to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx rep today, I > find that still no trace has been put on this order. > > Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 and I should > receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? > Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my > synth will be useless. > > So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to > either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. > > Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15288; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:26:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012060124.RAA21226@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:28:17 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, I fear that your experience perfectly describes the new world order. There are so many people employed these days in service jobs and then many more that do nothing but cover for the poor service. It seems that I spend at least 10% of my time at work dealing with nameless people on the phone (if I am lucky to find a phone number to call) just to clear up stupid stuff like incorrect phone bill, water bill, mysterious charges on my credit card, parking tickets issued in my name for places I've never been, you name it. Today it was resolving a totally screwed up situation with PayPal - two weeks it has taken then to send my money to a guy for a G-Force I bought on eBay. There is only one thing you can do: Loop away your stress. Anything else will just make your blood boil. Now I am fearing that UPS will loose my new G-Force, -Allan ---------- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! >Date: Tue, Dec 5, 2000, 4:44 PM > > Hey. > > I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. > I ordered... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:33:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15930; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:32:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:32:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <009601c05da1$b9343c60$375ad2d1@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:24:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am working on the project of utilizing improvisation and looping in Active Imagination and other forms of analytical reflection on the shadow, archetypes, etc., based on CG Jung and others. Another part of the project is a art-expressive workshops for small groups. Is there anyone with similar interests? (I don't need new age stuff, including dealing with brain waves, etc.) petr dolak petr@tryi.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:40:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16089; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:38:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:38:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:30:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to hear about your troubles, Mark. Tough one to beat, though...Musician's Friend and Guitar Center get so many incentives and great buys from the manufacturers because they buy so damn much, that they can drive the smaller stores (with possibly better service) out of business. Very few of the mom/pop stores carry a selection that those stores/catalogs do, though. They just can't carry that much inventory. Which leaves people with taste for gear that's a bit left of center no choice sometimes. Also, often the small shops can't even get premium brands because they don't sell enough units! the best bet i have had is finding someone at the store, or on the phone that seems like they have more than just a couple of hampsters between their ears, and STICK TO THEM. make them aware that you will only buy from them because they are the ONLY one in the store that gives you the service you want. that usually means you will be buying from a manager. nice side effect, though, is that if you're dealing with a manager at a high enough level, they can discount beyond what the little chumps can. If you forge a relationship with someone, they are more likely to help you out, too. best of luck, rich ps. being lied to by a GC salesman? ...like getting yelled at by someone with Tourette's syndrome. >Hey. > >I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. >I ordered a >GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) >I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the >27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not >received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking >number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. >Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out >yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a >customer service manager at Musician's Friend. > >I was totally lied to. > >Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, >Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the >salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He >claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman >launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if >it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same >package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was >missing all of >the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the >double sided >tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. > >I was totally lied to. > >Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by >yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. >Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might >take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse >to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx >rep today, I >find that still no trace has been put on this order. > >Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 >and I should >receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? >Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my >synth will be useless. > >So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to >either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 20:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16404; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:56:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:56:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:54:25 EST Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 00-12-05 20:31:29 EST, petr write: << I am working on the project of utilizing improvisation and looping in Active Imagination and other forms of analytical reflection on the shadow, archetypes, etc., based on CG Jung and others. >> petr.......you already said this and were asked what you mean by it?.......could you explain what you are up to?........thanks...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 21:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16507; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:59:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:59:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2D9D4D.650E4E02@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:58:32 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes this is so right. My problem is that I'm new to the bay area and I don't know any other places. Frankly, I'm a little amazed at the lack of good music shops. I'm going to try Banana's at Large in San Rafael tomorrow. It's a hike for me, but it may be worth while and the guy on the phone seemed very helpful and honest. Mark rich wrote: > Sorry to hear about your troubles, Mark. Tough one to beat, > though...Musician's Friend and Guitar Center get so many incentives > and great buys from the manufacturers because they buy so damn much, > that they can drive the smaller stores (with possibly better service) > out of business. > > Very few of the mom/pop stores carry a selection that those > stores/catalogs do, though. They just can't carry that much > inventory. Which leaves people with taste for gear that's a bit left > of center no choice sometimes. Also, often the small shops can't > even get premium brands because they don't sell enough units! > > the best bet i have had is finding someone at the store, or on the > phone that seems like they have more than just a couple of hampsters > between their ears, and STICK TO THEM. make them aware that you will > only buy from them because they are the ONLY one in the store that > gives you the service you want. that usually means you will be > buying from a manager. nice side effect, though, is that if you're > dealing with a manager at a high enough level, they can discount > beyond what the little chumps can. If you forge a relationship with > someone, they are more likely to help you out, too. > > best of luck, > > rich > > ps. being lied to by a GC salesman? ...like getting yelled at by > someone with Tourette's syndrome. > > >Hey. > > > >I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. > >I ordered a > >GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) > >I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the > >27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not > >received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking > >number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. > >Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out > >yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a > >customer service manager at Musician's Friend. > > > >I was totally lied to. > > > >Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, > >Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the > >salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He > >claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman > >launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if > >it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same > >package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was > >missing all of > >the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the > >double sided > >tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. > > > >I was totally lied to. > > > >Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by > >yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. > >Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might > >take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse > >to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx > >rep today, I > >find that still no trace has been put on this order. > > > >Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 > >and I should > >receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? > >Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my > >synth will be useless. > > > >So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to > >either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. > > > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 21:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17643; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:51:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:51:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.237.76] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: To kim flint RE:Repeater update Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:50:07 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2000 02:50:07.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E1E2B00:01C05F2F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Could Someone explain what the repater dos enot do that the echoplex dose do? From the alpha manual the repeater seems to be able to do loop copy and multiply plus longer loop time, better loop storage, stereo looping and pitch shifing(probably better customer support and reliability if electrix treats it like its other products). I have two edp's(one if you dont count the one that shane radke has had for 6 months with out calling me back once!but that is another story) I and I loved them but I feel that a repeater is a way more versatile music machine. Please correct me if I have interpreted some thing wrong oor or have missed something. Thanks, Jeremiah _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 22:05:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17927; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:59:13 EST Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: <5pqoYC.A.4XE.xvaL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry-I had to interrupt-How about Alto Music?I can personally guarantee you a better price and better service.I'm sure plenty on this list can vouch for us.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com.The next time you need gear try us.....BTW-Repeaters and echoplexes are not on the too distant horizon-Soon! I promise!-Jon from Alto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 22:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18060; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c05f31$1de420e0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:03:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > .......you already said this ah, I get it... he's looping! This is great!!! I see that an earlier post of Petr's had a URL: www.geocities.com/pepetr ...but inquiring minds still want more, petr! please indulge us you will. We all need a kick in the artistic pants to stop reading catalogs and make some sonic art! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 22:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18840; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:33:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001205213218.007fe7d0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 21:32:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! In-Reply-To: <3A2D9D4D.650E4E02@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, Sorry you have had this experience. Very common. But, it's not happend to me. Here's why - I think. Here's the deal: ONLY buy from the manager of the department (at least) if not the store manager. Develop a rapport with the store manager - especially if you buy a lot of gizmos or expensive gizmos. I have found that once the person on the phone actually activates enough brain cells to understand that you want to speak with the manager, and then actually remembers who the manager is and how to actually connect you, and then does actually connect you, and you are then actually speaking with the manager - you will be listened to and the service will be good. That has been my experience with GC. Don't deal with chumps who tomorrow will be asking someone if they want fries and a large Coke. Stairway To Heaven destroys brain cells. A rule of business #1: Always deal with the real decision maker. Anything else is wasting your time (not always true, but mostly). A rule of business #2: Go with the person who has the most to lose. My 2 cents. M. At 05:58 PM 12/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >Yes this is so right. My problem is that I'm new to the bay area and I don't know >any other places. Frankly, I'm a little amazed at the lack of good music shops. >I'm going to try Banana's at Large in San Rafael tomorrow. It's a hike for me, >but it may be worth while and the guy on the phone seemed very helpful and honest. > >Mark > > > >rich wrote: > >> Sorry to hear about your troubles, Mark. Tough one to beat, >> though...Musician's Friend and Guitar Center get so many incentives >> and great buys from the manufacturers because they buy so damn much, >> that they can drive the smaller stores (with possibly better service) >> out of business. >> >> Very few of the mom/pop stores carry a selection that those >> stores/catalogs do, though. They just can't carry that much >> inventory. Which leaves people with taste for gear that's a bit left >> of center no choice sometimes. Also, often the small shops can't >> even get premium brands because they don't sell enough units! >> >> the best bet i have had is finding someone at the store, or on the >> phone that seems like they have more than just a couple of hampsters >> between their ears, and STICK TO THEM. make them aware that you will >> only buy from them because they are the ONLY one in the store that >> gives you the service you want. that usually means you will be >> buying from a manager. nice side effect, though, is that if you're >> dealing with a manager at a high enough level, they can discount >> beyond what the little chumps can. If you forge a relationship with >> someone, they are more likely to help you out, too. >> >> best of luck, >> >> rich >> >> ps. being lied to by a GC salesman? ...like getting yelled at by >> someone with Tourette's syndrome. >> >> >Hey. >> > >> >I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. >> >I ordered a >> >GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) >> >I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the >> >27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not >> >received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking >> >number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. >> >Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out >> >yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a >> >customer service manager at Musician's Friend. >> > >> >I was totally lied to. >> > >> >Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, >> >Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the >> >salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He >> >claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman >> >launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if >> >it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same >> >package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was >> >missing all of >> >the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the >> >double sided >> >tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. >> > >> >I was totally lied to. >> > >> >Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by >> >yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. >> >Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might >> >take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse >> >to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx >> >rep today, I >> >find that still no trace has been put on this order. >> > >> >Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 >> >and I should >> >receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? >> >Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my >> >synth will be useless. >> > >> >So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to >> >either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. >> > >> >Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 23:10:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19470; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:09:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:09:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:07:51 -0800 Subject: Looping Gig (Seattle, WA, USA): Electrochakra 12/6/00 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra, a loop-heavy instrumental band will be playing this Wednesday, December 6, between 6 and 11PM, at the Hurricane Cafe (7th and Bell). This will be our second gig with our new drummer, Sean Sippel, so anyone curious as to how integrating loops with a drummer can be approached is welcome to drop by. Admission is free, our new CD will be for sale, and free nachos are available upon request. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 5 23:56:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20211; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:55:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C05EFE.52EF6A20.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:59:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Too bad to hear your pain Mark. Especially when it comes at a part of life so close to my heart - You can take my girfriends away, burn down my house, let loose wolves to chase me naked into the long cold night; as long as a shiny new toy is in the mail, that I got a real deal on and is guaranteed to make me a rock star, everything will be ok. > Sorry-I had to interrupt-How about Alto Music?I can personally guarantee you > a better price and better service.I'm sure plenty on this list can vouch for > us.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com.The next time you need gear try > us.....BTW-Repeaters and echoplexes are not on the too distant horizon-Soon! > I promise!-Jon from Alto Yup, I'll vouch for them. They know what they are doing, and are always looking to get you what they need, not make a sale. Anything new, I've bought from them, since the echoplex group buy. As far as good bay area shops, 'Computers and Music' in San Francisco doesn't get good marks. They don't know their equipment and they won't bother themselves to set equipment up for you to demo. They also tried to sell me gear by quoting a whole load of rather imaginary features that they misread off the back of the product pamphlet; I don't want to pay extra to a local shop just for the privelege of educating their staff. Starving musician in Sunnyvale isn't bad, but they trade mostly in used gear; of which there is a better choice on the internet. They will rent a lot of stuff (I'm not sure if they will rent all of their used inventory) - pretty good if you suddenly need to record vocals or something and don't have the rig for it. The staff seem to know what their doing, as far as my interactions with them. There's a store in Redwood city, on El Camino, whose name is on the tip of my tongue (Gerbers? something with a G :>). They have a good selection of gear, and usually mark stuff down at the register. The staff aren't that knowledgeable, at least in the keyboard department. However, they are not working on commision, which makes their life, and ours, easier. There's a store called Draper's in Palo Alto, just down the street from me. Not as wide a selection as the place in Redwood city. I haven't bought anything them; they are more one the 'musical toy store' category - lots of beginners guitar sets on sale and the like. They have some nice custom guitars and basses in the corner too. I tried out the Hand-sonic there, which we discussed a while ago, and I decided wasn't for me. >Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by >yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. >Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might >take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse >to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx rep today, I >find that still no trace has been put on this order. > I would do a chargeback under these circumstances on principle. That, or small claims court. >Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 and I should >receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? >Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my >synth will be useless. Ouch. Insult added to injury. Still, a gk-2a pickup should not be hard to find Good luck Mark, maybe I'll see you next Sunday? bIz On Tuesday, December 05, 2000 6:59 PM, JHKNICKS@aol.com [SMTP:JHKNICKS@aol.com] wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 00:46:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21020; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:45:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001205215836.0134d450@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 21:58:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! In-Reply-To: <01C05EFE.52EF6A20.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gelb Music - 722 El Camino Real There's also Guitar Showcase in San Jose on Bascom. At 08:59 PM 12/5/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >There's a store in Redwood city, on El Camino, whose name is on the tip of >my tongue (Gerbers? something with a G :>). They have a good selection of >gear, and usually mark stuff down at the register. The staff aren't that >knowledgeable, at least in the keyboard department. However, they are not >working on commision, which makes their life, and ours, easier. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 02:37:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12471; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:36:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:36:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:34:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: To kim flint RE:Repeater update Resent-Message-ID: <4c0iGD.A.vCD.cweL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:50 PM -0800 12/5/00, George Washington wrote: >Hello, >Could Someone explain what the repater dos enot do that the echoplex dose >do? From the alpha manual the repeater seems to be able to do loop copy and >multiply plus longer loop time, better loop storage, stereo looping and >pitch shifing(probably better customer support and reliability if electrix >treats it like its other products). I have two edp's(one if you dont count >the one that shane radke has had for 6 months with out calling me back >once!but that is another story) I and I loved them but I feel that a >repeater is a way more versatile music machine. Please correct me if I have >interpreted some thing wrong oor or have missed something. You've missed a lot. Go look at it again: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/tips/Plhints.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/repeater.pdf The two are oriented at completely different audiences and emphasize different things. Each has far more depth than the other in the areas where they are strong. Even the things that are similar work in completely different ways. I'd be happy to write it all out for you, but it is a lot and I don't have time right now. It is not even really possible yet, since the repeater is not even available and the manual for it is not very specific in many areas. Some other day I will add repeater to the echoplex/jamman comparison page on the LD site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/Plex_Jamman.html I guess I should add other loopers to that as well and make a big comparison chart, with nice explanations of all the features and subtleties of their operation. For now though, you will have to do your own research. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 02:58:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12994; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:57:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:57:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c05f5a$231be560$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: Midi drum mapping in Cubase Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:57:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2PBOdC.A.2KD.YFfL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello- I wrote a drum track on a friend's Mac using his Roland Dr.770 as the sound source- I am now trying to use the midi file on my PC in Cubase and am wondering if anyone knows of a source for Drum machine maps, sounds, etc for Cubase as now all the midi notes do not correlate to my LM-4 plug or my DR-5. Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 04:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13966; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:19:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49FC8@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Midi drum mapping in Cubase Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:17:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was needing the same info actually... but I have the DR202 Dr Groove, on which i like the sounds fine but programming it???.... is arse (ass for you americans) So I want a drum map for cubase for it that can access all the sounds from one huge mother of a drum track... As a Cubase beginner dont think I could make one myself... anyone know of a drum-maps site??? M -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: 6. desember 2000 08:57 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@lsmls02.we.mediaone.net; Subject: OT: Midi drum mapping in Cubase Hello- I wrote a drum track on a friend's Mac using his Roland Dr.770 as the sound source- I am now trying to use the midi file on my PC in Cubase and am wondering if anyone knows of a source for Drum machine maps, sounds, etc for Cubase as now all the midi notes do not correlate to my LM-4 plug or my DR-5. Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 07:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15793; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:08:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c05f7b$a35bea60$6743e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: Subject: new sounds - Fripp soundscapes Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:56:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05F84.04EDF7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5jGa_D.A.i2D.ewiL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05F84.04EDF7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, here's a link to copy into you realplayer rtsp://bonobo.realimpact.net/realimpact/wnyc/rans/ns1856.ra It's a looper dedicated show, with at the end some 18 minutes of recent = Fripp soundscapes Jan ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05F84.04EDF7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
here's a link to copy into you=20 realplayer
rtsp://bonobo.realimpact.net/realimpact/wnyc/rans/ns1856.ra
It's a looper dedicated show, with at the end some = 18 minutes=20 of recent Fripp soundscapes
 
Jan
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C05F84.04EDF7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 10:29:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18777; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:27:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:22:27 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/06/2000 09:22:28 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, oh, man, do I have to weigh in on this issue. You see, I >worked< at Guitar Center for a few months after just moving back into town. Rich and Michael are absolutely right is their approach to Guitar Center: find the one competent employee in the department and patronize only them. It's not so important as it used to be for the salesperson--they are no longer on an individual commission basis, but rather some "team" commission that doesn't quite make sense to me. While working there, I cannot tell you the frustration the salesman feels confronted with the very same issues: looking up inventory in the computer, promising the customer something and then finding the product missing, incomplete or trashed. Special orders were a mess. And the check-out process is excruciatingly long. To be fair, there is a HUGE amount of fraud (by both employees and customers) and the slow downs are often caused in part by safeguards put into place to prevent theft. Now, saying that he sees the product "right in front of him," was probably a ruse--but it's one perpetrated by day after day (GC employees are required to work 6 days a week) of an unending grind, beaten down by missed shipments, lost power supplies and a million dollars of demo equipment that no one has set up correctly (and a management that does not encourage such diligence). Add to that the whirling procession of new and out-going managers from each store and there's no continuity, no quality control and no real emphasis on customer service, just the numbers. To combat this--and knowing that sometimes GC is the only alternative--, try the following: 1.) Find a decent employee, with some measure of knowledge. Ask around, "who knows the most about X?" I'll guarantee that there's at least one guy in there that has used and/or owned the same piece of equipment. You just have to find him. Also, to be fair, manufacturers spend a lot of money training the GC staff on their products--it's just that only one or two get to go to the seminars from each store. 2.) If you detect insincere recommendations for alternate products, (eg, "yeah, that's cool, but what you REALLY need is this over here"), stick with your guns, ask about pricing or availability and you'll soon find out why the salesperson is pushing the alternate item--that or he may get a SPIF for selling it. 3.) If you don't mind sticking it right back to them, say you used to work in the Guitar Center in [other city] for a while. Bluntly ask if you can get a hook-up. To show your authenticity, ask, "What's PAC (pronounced "pack") on that thing? Do you think I could get 10 over that?" Meaning: what's net cost on that thing, and can I get a price only ten percent above that? Big whigs, studio mavens and star performers gets this price all the time. It's the "professional" price, though more and more I've noticed that GC management has imposed minimums on many products (like the SM58, for instance), but you can often find an alternate product without a minimum for MUCH less (like the Audix OM2--I just bought six). To further compliment your ruse, ask how the salesperson is liking the new team commission--that'll get you buddy-buddy real quick ("oh, man, it sucks, dude. I was totally banking before...") Other than that, it's your regular caveat emptor stuff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 10:44:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19109; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2768@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: please send me a 'repeater' link for product information ... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:12:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <8iU9nB.A.OqE.H5lL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks! jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 11:32:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20254; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001206111514.00c92e80@mail.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:24:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rob Switzer Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! In-Reply-To: <3A2D8BEB.9C68ED0B@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001205170658.1006.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c05efc$bc3f2bc0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:44 PM 12/5/00 -0800, Mark Sottilaro wrote: I'll second this -- I had practically the same experience last year around the holidays with Musicians Friend. I ordered a mixer and two limiters to be delivered next day in order to meet a deadline. They never arrived. I got runaround after runaround, and MF missed not only the initial ship date, but the follow-up date they promised when I called up to complain. When everything finally arrived (days late), they double-shipped the limiters, and I had to deal with 2x the anticipated amount on my credit card until I was able to straighten the whole thing out and return the extra two limiters. Everything *was* finally resolved, and I *did* get free shipping on everything as well as an extra point or two discount. But the session I needed the items for was totally blown, and I wasted a lot of time and endured a lot of frustration and irritation in the process. Although I had previous satisfactory experience with MF, I haven't given them a bit of business since this incident. They're probably OK most of the time, but I'd steer clear around the holidays. rob switzer >I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. I >ordered a >GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) >I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the >27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not >received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking >number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. >Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out >yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a >customer service manager at Musician's Friend. > >I was totally lied to. > >Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, >Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the >salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He >claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman >launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if >it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same >package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was missing >all of >the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the double >sided >tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. > >I was totally lied to. > >Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by >yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. >Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might >take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse >to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx rep >today, I >find that still no trace has been put on this order. > >Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 and I >should >receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? >Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my >synth will be useless. > >So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to >either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 11:32:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20237; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:29:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: From: "skyeklad" Subject: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! Message-Id: <061200341.30468@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:27:58 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <7K53EC.A.P7E.NkmL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may also find it interesting that Musician's 'Friend' and GC are the same company. Both, it has been my experience, have no clue. Try SweetWater: http://www.sweetwater.com Excellent service and salesmen who really know their stuff. Another horror story: My roommate ordered a guitar and a case from MF. Same problem, they kept saying it would show up soon, ect. Then the case showed up with no guitar. He finds out that they are out of stock on the guitar. Nice of them to send an empty case! From: Mark Sottilaro Hey. I just had/am having a horrible experience with Musician's Friend. I ordered a GR-30 and a GK-2A, as they were blowing out the GR-30s at a great price ($399) I paid extra to have it shipped next day FedEx. The order was done on the 27th. For some reason they decided not to ship it until the 29th. I have not received anything from them at this point. They gave me a FedEx tracking number, but FedEx claims to have never entered that number into their system. Musician's Friend told me they had started a trace with FedEx, but I found out yesterday that they never had. This was confirmed by both FedEx, and a customer service manager at Musician's Friend. I was totally lied to. Fed up with waiting, I attempted to buy a GR-33 from The Guitar Center, Musician's Friend's brick and mortar sister. Via the phone, I made the salesman hunt down both the synth and the pick up and put my name on them. He claimed he could see both units in front of him. When I arrived, the salesman launched into an explanation about how the GK-2 blister pack only looked as if it were missing stuff, when in fact it was not. "Roland just uses the same package for a lot of it's products." Of course, the pick up was missing all of the mounting hardware and cables. You could see where some of the double sided tape still clung to the pickup. I just turned around and walked out. I was totally lied to. Last Friday I was told that if the "trace" didn't turn up something by yesterday, they would just send me another one, next day, at no extra charge. Yesterday I was told that the item was no longer in stock, and the trace might take weeks. They refuse to cancel the order and refund my money. They refuse to sell me a GR-33 at a discount. After speaking to another FedEx rep today, I find that still no trace has been put on this order. Finally I get an email telling me that they are sending me a GR-30 and I should receive it tomorrow. Were they out of stock? Are they really sending it? Good question. Oh, and get this: They are now out of the GK-2 pick up, so my synth will be useless. So this is my story. Use the knowledge wisely. I will never give a dime to either Musician's Friend, or The Guitar Center again. Mark Sottilaro ------ Geek.com WebBox - http://www.geek.com A free service provided by WebBox - http://webbox.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 11:57:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21169; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:55:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:55:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001206105211.02359ec0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:53:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: please send me a 'repeater' link for product information ... In-Reply-To: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2768@dhcp-250.adhesive.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jimmy George (09:12 AM 12.06.2000) wrote: >thanks! http://www.electrixpro.com/ Click "Products" in the top frame Click "Repeater" in the left frame Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 12:17:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22062; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:12:08 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: To kim flint RE:Repeater update... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA21953 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> jeremiah266@hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:50PM >>> Hello, Could Someone explain what the repater dos enot do that the echoplex dose do? Hi Jeremiah... just have time for a couple quick observations. I'm copying this to Damon AND Kim for feedback if they care to get caught up in this dialog. > From the alpha manual the repeater seems to be able to do loop copy and multiply Repeater: Loop Copy sounds like it doubles the loop... and they don't really make it completely clear if you can arm Overdub so it begins at the start of the Loop Copy and allows you to play while the loop copy is being done. So I'm believing that you may have to wait for one Loop Copy cycle to double a loop... what if you want 16 copies? Do you have to press Loop Copy 4 times (2 4 8 16?) It doesn't sound like you'll be able to create odd numbered or even 6, 10, 12 or 14 bar executions. Food for thought... EDP: Multiply begins at any point in a loop creating a new start point as well as beginning overdub if you've got the other parameters set correctly.. So you just hit the Multiply button and start playing your melody... freely stating any passage you please until you're happy... at which time you can tap Multiply to stop the process at the end of the phrase cycle ANY WHERE IN THE CYCLE. If you want to create one long cycle, you just press record to end the cycle exactly at the tap instead of the end of the next cycle... creating a single long loop with your melody overdub... which you can then multiply, divide etc. > plus longer loop time, better loop storage, stereo looping and pitch shifing. Well sure... storage, stereo looping and pitch shifting with time stretch will be great features and help make the Repeater unique in it's desirability. We'll see how well they work in actuality when it ships. One EDP feature which I really like that I don't believe the Repeater has is the Insert function. This can work by adding time (new material) to a loop wherever you tap in and tap out... It can also work as a Replace function where you can pop in tiny chunks of rythymic feedback, silence etc. allowing you to completely alter the loop rather than just add to it or overdub. I manage to migrate around to completely different musical content using this function. This is a MAJOR feature and I use it constantly... The Repeater and most other loopers out there don't really do Insert and Replace in this way. The EDP does this stuff quite simply in real time IN SPADES. Not to mention that the Insert parameter also has the Rehearse mode and Reverse mode allowing for still more weirdness... (I realize that the Repeater has Reverse). The EDP NextLoop function allows for groupings of dissimilar length loops which you can freely move between. You don't have to have a midi controller to initiate a pgm chg to jump to another dissimilar length loop. Damon has said that a pgm chg to another STORED loop will happen very fast so it should be functional still doesn't address the fact that you're not able to record dissimilar length loops in REAL TIME ON THE FLY and then migrate among them without intensive midi pgm chg tap dancing. NextLoop also allows for either Copying the previous loop using Multiply mode to create differing length loops IMMEDIATELY... OR playing real time NEW material to create a contrast to the previous loop. You can configure up to 9 of these loops, each having these capabilities, on the EDP. I usually have mine setup for 3 or 4 loops. When using my midi controller, I have a bank configured to freely call up any of these loops with a single button press... I also can tap a button and change the parameters so that the change occurs either at the end of the loop or immediately. This kind of capability and depth doesn't seem likely in the Repeater and literally ALL other loopers. This is what makes the EDP unique. I won't say better, because as we've heard before, It's important to critically assess your needs, THEN choose your product based on that. I want a Repeater because it appears to include some attractive SAMPLER type capabilities, as well as stereo. I will probably use the EDP more as a free form real-time looper... and the Repeater as a way to capture that stuff in stereo and further mutate it as well as store my best efforts. > (probably better customer support and reliability if electrix treats it like its other products). Wait and see... I have my own gripes with the handling of the EDP by Gibson, but I've already thoroughly exhausted them. I won't bother the group with them any more. That said... My EDP has been working great since it's first (quickly repaired under warranty) problem. I trust it at this point fairly well. I'll stop here for now... As Kim suggests... carefully assess your needs and select a looper based on your preferences. All I know is that I'm really hooked on the Insert and Multiply features the way the EDP has implemented them. I believe Pitch Transposing is coming in the next ROM upgrade as well as many other hinted at tricks and treats. So I'm actually very excited and really looking forward to EVEN MORE functionality for my EDP, with deep, multi-configurable parameters, which only the EDP s/w team has been able to provide in a product to this date. Happy Looping! -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 12:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23655; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001206172934.7248.qmail@web4302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Bryan Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used to work at Guitar Center also. The main thing to remember is to research what you are going to buy before you go to the store. The next thing is to always ask if they have a minimum price for a particular product, which is sometimes lower than their guaruanteed lowest price that they advertise. Also, inspect the product's you are buying, before you leave the store. ===== SCOTT'S WEBSITE IS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.geocities.com/auralart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 12:36:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23902; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:34:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:34:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021e01c05fa9$c16f6a30$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: To kim flint RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:27:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8xRbQC.A.4zF.jhnL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>> jeremiah266@hotmail.com 12/05/00 06:50PM >>> > Hello, Could Someone explain what the repater dos enot do that the echoplex dose do? > > Hi Jeremiah... just have time for a couple quick observations. I'm copying this to Damon AND Kim for feedback if they care to get caught up in this dialog. > . . . Good info, Miko. I'll just add that the EDP UNDO function with it's multiple levels is unique. I find it really handy. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 13:34:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25507; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:31:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:31:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: To kim flint RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:29:02 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2000 18:29:02.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[682A3D70:01C05FB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Repeater: Loop Copy sounds like it doubles the loop... and they don't >really make it completely clear if you can arm Overdub so it begins at the >start of the Loop Copy and allows you to play while the loop copy is being >done. So I'm believing that you may have to wait for one Loop Copy cycle to >double a loop... what if you want 16 copies? Do you have to press Loop Copy >4 times (2 4 8 16?) It doesn't sound like you'll be able to create odd >numbered or even 6, 10, 12 or 14 bar executions. Food for thought... > I asked Damon (on-list, I think) about this and he mentioned about the loop TRIM function. This function _should_ allow the repeater to multiply by any amount. I looks like you would loop copy to multiply by 2, then trim the result to get 1.5 or whatever. I have no way of knowing about whether you can overdub while the loop is being copied. bye- jon _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 13:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25967; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:40:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:40:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: Inter-Aural Phase Cancellation? To: LOOPERS-DELIGHT@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:35:57 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/06/2000 12:35:58 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently recorded six improvisational comedians in an audio-only setting, but stumbled into a strange phenomenon. Each performer had their own mic, running into their own channel on the board, mixed down to stereo two-track, through a limiter, then to a stand-alone CDR, then to a distribution amp, and then to six pair of headphones. What happened was this: each performer complained that there own voice was low in volume compared to the others in the mix. As everyone was listening to the same mix, I found that a bit odd, but indeed when I spoke into the mic whilst everyone else spoke too, my voice did seem decidedly lower in volume. I could watch meters all day, making sure the levels were even, but still it really did sound like your own voice was significantly lower in the mix. Now, I have a few theories about this, but I'd love to hear what you guys think. Is it possible that the signal coming from the headphones is out of phase with the sound of your own voice inside your head? Are they cancelling each other out? Or is this just a psycho-acoustic effect, whereby you are trained to ignore your own voice and thereby hear it differently when presented the sound in this context. As it was, everyone did fine--it did not affect the performance, but still, it was strange. Any thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 13:56:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26568; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:55:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:55:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:52:48 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , Subject: Re: To kim flint RE:Repeater update... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26412 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Repeater: Loop Copy sounds like it doubles the loop... and they don't really make it completely clear if you can arm Overdub so it begins at the start of the Loop Copy and allows you to play while the loop copy is being done. So I'm believing that you may have to wait for one Loop Copy cycle to double a loop... what if you want 16 copies? Do you have to press Loop Copy 4 times (2 4 8 16?) It doesn't sound like you'll be able to create odd numbered or even 6, 10, 12 or 14 bar executions. Food for thought... > I asked Damon (on-list, I think) about this and he mentioned about the loop TRIM function. This function _should_ allow the repeater to multiply by any amount. I looks like you would loop copy to multiply by 2, then trim the result to get 1.5 or whatever. I have no way of knowing about whether you can overdub while the loop is being copied.bye- jon So for the Repeater, I'll bet that to do Loop Copy you have to press a button with your hand (or via midi) the number of times you need to get the number of bars desired (possibly even having to wait for each doubling before the next button press). THEN press another button with your hand to arm the trim function... then press yet another button with your hand to actually trim. My point is that the EDP does this with either one foot press to initiate and one foot press to complete both processes in real time, NO HANDS... NO MIDI. I'm not arguing for or against either product... Just that they have unique user interfaces and that it would be a good idea to critically compare them base on your intended use. I view the Repeater's u/i to be more post-editing and re-mixing oriented... although it will certainly be a very cool way to grab simple STEREO loops and mangle them with the Pitch functions. The fx loop and pre-post insert functions are unique and will be ultra-cool as well. The Repeater will be awesome if it all plays like they say it will... The EDP is ALREADY awesome right now though. Different beasts. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 14:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26892; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:04:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012061900.LAA16398@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:06:12 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <92CWiC.A.jjG.z1oL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sometimes go to Guitar Center to browse but I go to Alto to buy. Alto simply amazes me. One time I called them to see if they had any Yamaha FS1R sound generators. Jon said they might get a few but wasn't sure when since Yamaha had discontinued the unit. A couple months later he called me and asked "how many do you want?" Alto is the place for great service and great prices. It is good to hear that they expect more EDPs soon! -Allan ---------- >From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! >Date: Tue, Dec 5, 2000, 6:59 PM > > Sorry-I had to interrupt-How about Alto Music?I can personally guarantee you > a better price and better service.I'm sure plenty on this list can vouch for > us.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com.The next time you need gear try > us.....BTW-Repeaters and echoplexes are not on the too distant horizon-Soon! > I promise!-Jon from Alto > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 14:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28418; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c05fbb$92c3c340$889ad8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200012061900.LAA16398@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: My Looper Can Beat Up Your Looper Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:34:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's me again-- I asked Kim what the EDP could do that the (vaporware) Repeater could not. He has not replied, but others have (Thanks Miko!), so here's something else-- I have prepared three sequences which can change the mode to loop, out, or delay. The volume pedal will act in three different ways--feedback, loop volume, and input volume, depending on which mode is selected. So in real time you can control your material in a number of ways with the same volume pedal (the one attached to the EDP). Of course I want the Repeater! But I guess the EDP is plenty of distraction for now . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 15:40:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30475; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:36:04 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Subject: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw Michael Monroe do a free performance in the skyway of City Center in Minneapolis around noon today when I was on my lunch hour. This guy is freaking amazing. Instruments: 1 Godin acoustic-electric classical guitar with synth pickup, Roland GR-1 synth, 1 Lexicon Jam Man, 1 dbx compressor, 1 alesis reverb effect, a mixer, a PA, and Michael on vocals, flute and ocarina. I've never seen looping done like this live: He'd play 8 bars of guitar with vocals, then add a harmony guitar AND vocal line, then add bass and organ (as triggered from the GR1), then add many layers of harmony vocals. It was all done totally cleanly, clearly and professionally. And then he could extend the arrangements - he'd play flute and it would get looped too. He'd use Ocarina to create a seagull cry effect. At one point, he had eight vocal harmonies in counterpoint, multiple guitar arrangements (not unlike King Crimson's "Discipline" era), with bass, drumming, organ/synth/strings/piano. Beautiful stuff. Eventually, he'd fade the looping out and end the tunes or he'd go back down to one instrument and gradually fade more and different things in. He did everything from reggae tunes, a Joni Mitchell piece, his own music, a few christmas tunes for good measure, and really had drawn quite a crowd. He basically had two Lexicon dual switch pedals to control the Jam Man, the footpedal of the GR1, his hands to play guitar, flute, control the audio mixer among other things. He even did a little demo on how looping works to the audience and did multiple levels of vocal harmony with himself. He also showed off the GR1 and how that worked. I've heard great musicians live in that space, Billy McLaughlin is a notable example, but I've never seen a musician actually get applause and he got it multiple times. He'll be back tomorrow I'm told so if you're in the downtown Minneapolis area definetely check this guy out. -Todd -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 15:43:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30822; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:42:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C27B4@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:11:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wish i was in the area! -----Original Message----- From: Todd Madson [mailto:crash@waste.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review I saw Michael Monroe do a free performance in the skyway of City Center in Minneapolis around noon today when I was on my lunch hour. This guy is freaking amazing. Instruments: 1 Godin acoustic-electric classical guitar with synth pickup, Roland GR-1 synth, 1 Lexicon Jam Man, 1 dbx compressor, 1 alesis reverb effect, a mixer, a PA, and Michael on vocals, flute and ocarina. I've never seen looping done like this live: He'd play 8 bars of guitar with vocals, then add a harmony guitar AND vocal line, then add bass and organ (as triggered from the GR1), then add many layers of harmony vocals. It was all done totally cleanly, clearly and professionally. And then he could extend the arrangements - he'd play flute and it would get looped too. He'd use Ocarina to create a seagull cry effect. At one point, he had eight vocal harmonies in counterpoint, multiple guitar arrangements (not unlike King Crimson's "Discipline" era), with bass, drumming, organ/synth/strings/piano. Beautiful stuff. Eventually, he'd fade the looping out and end the tunes or he'd go back down to one instrument and gradually fade more and different things in. He did everything from reggae tunes, a Joni Mitchell piece, his own music, a few christmas tunes for good measure, and really had drawn quite a crowd. He basically had two Lexicon dual switch pedals to control the Jam Man, the footpedal of the GR1, his hands to play guitar, flute, control the audio mixer among other things. He even did a little demo on how looping works to the audience and did multiple levels of vocal harmony with himself. He also showed off the GR1 and how that worked. I've heard great musicians live in that space, Billy McLaughlin is a notable example, but I've never seen a musician actually get applause and he got it multiple times. He'll be back tomorrow I'm told so if you're in the downtown Minneapolis area definetely check this guy out. -Todd -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 15:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31030; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:46:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:46:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c05fc5$76e52a60$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:45:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6MkDMC.A.fkH.vVqL6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you could find out if he has a web site I would appreciate it- I searched but there is a big hair rocker with same name that screams to the top of all searches- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review >I saw Michael Monroe do a free performance in the skyway of City >Center in Minneapolis around noon today when I was on my lunch hour. > >This guy is freaking amazing. Instruments: 1 Godin acoustic-electric >classical guitar with synth pickup, Roland GR-1 synth, 1 Lexicon Jam >Man, 1 dbx compressor, 1 alesis reverb effect, a mixer, a PA, and >Michael on vocals, flute and ocarina. > >I've never seen looping done like this live: >He'd play 8 bars of guitar with vocals, then add a harmony guitar >AND vocal line, then add bass and organ (as triggered from the GR1), >then add many layers of harmony vocals. It was all done totally >cleanly, clearly and professionally. And then he could extend >the arrangements - he'd play flute and it would get looped too. >He'd use Ocarina to create a seagull cry effect. > >At one point, he had eight vocal harmonies in counterpoint, multiple >guitar arrangements (not unlike King Crimson's "Discipline" era), >with bass, drumming, organ/synth/strings/piano. Beautiful stuff. > >Eventually, he'd fade the looping out and end the tunes or he'd >go back down to one instrument and gradually fade more and different >things in. He did everything from reggae tunes, a Joni Mitchell >piece, his own music, a few christmas tunes for good measure, >and really had drawn quite a crowd. > >He basically had two Lexicon dual switch pedals to control the Jam >Man, the footpedal of the GR1, his hands to play guitar, flute, >control the audio mixer among other things. > >He even did a little demo on how looping works to the audience and >did multiple levels of vocal harmony with himself. He also showed >off the GR1 and how that worked. > >I've heard great musicians live in that space, Billy McLaughlin is >a notable example, but I've never seen a musician actually get >applause and he got it multiple times. > >He'll be back tomorrow I'm told so if you're in the downtown Minneapolis >area definetely check this guy out. > >-Todd >-- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 15:54:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31392; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:52:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:52:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:50:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the sickness (flu). The update on Repeater would be as Leonardo said. We are aiming to Ship before winter NAMM. Our power supply passed CSA with a few minor mods so that is big news for us. The PSU is about 2" X 1.25" X 4.25", is light as a feather and has a locking connector. (one supply for all countries). We have done Alpha testing and are going into beta test soon so baring any "unknowns" we are still looking good for the NAMM show shipping target. Now, with sickness bearing down on me, I'll answer a few tidbits... >Repeater: Loop Copy sounds like it doubles the loop Nope. Loop copy lets you copy a loop from one location to another. For example: I make a loop at location 1 on the CFC card. I want to copy it to another card without booting my computer. I just copy the loop to location '1 in the internal memory, swap cards and then copy the loop from '1 to the new card. You could also use it to copy the loop to another location to build a variation. etc...It's like it sounds....copy. >... and they don't really make it completely clear if you can arm Overdub so it begins at the start of the Loop Copy and allows you to play while >the loop copy is being done. So I'm believing that you may have to wait for one Loop Copy cycle to double a loop... what if you want 16 copies? >Do you have to press Loop Copy 4 times (2 4 8 16?) It doesn't sound like you'll be able to create odd numbered or even 6, 10, 12 or 14 bar >executions. Food for thought... This is the function of loop multiply. The present implementation is that it doubles the loop every time you press the button. A press and hold of the button will let you dial in the exact number of times you want the loop replicated i.e.: 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc. We have had alpha feedback to allow this to divide a loop length as well. We have also had feedback to make this a live process where it is enabled and multiplies the loop as you overdub (similar to EDP). Odds are it will be implemented as stated first, however...the software will be easy to update. (Put software on CFC card -Insert CFC - New Repeater OS. No service people, no screw drivers, no chip pulling). So If you become a Repeater looper give us your feedback! >One EDP feature which I really like that I don't believe the Repeater has is the Insert function. Correct. At the present time we do not have an insert function. >The EDP NextLoop function allows for groupings of dissimilar length loops which you can freely move between. You don't have to have a midi >controller to initiate a pgm chg to jump to another dissimilar length loop. Damon has said that a pgm chg to another STORED loop will happen very >fast so it should be functional still doesn't address the fact that you're not able to record dissimilar length loops in REAL TIME ON THE FLY and >then migrate among them without intensive midi pgm chg tap dancing. This makes it sound harder than it actually is. There is a knob on the face plate to access loop locations as well as the MIDI access. Access to a new loop location is instant whether it is STORED or blank so you will be able to record a new loop at a different length in real time on the fly. >When using my midi controller, I have a bank configured to freely call up any of these loops with a single button press... I also can tap a >button and change the parameters so that the change occurs either at the end of the loop or immediately. Repeater kinda does this in a different way. You move to the new location and pressing play will engage the new loop. If you hit play close to the end of the loop Repeater will wait and engage the new loop at the end of the loop. A press outside of this window will engage the loop exactly when you press play. >This kind of capability and depth doesn't seem likely in the Repeater and literally ALL other loopers. This is what makes the EDP unique. I won't >say better, because as we've heard before, It's important to critically assess your needs, THEN choose your product based on that. I want a >Repeater because it appears to include some attractive SAMPLER type capabilities, as well as stereo. I will probably use the EDP more as a free >form real-time looper... and the Repeater as a way to capture that stuff in stereo and further mutate it as well as store my best efforts. Repeater is very much a real time loop based recorder. Even though it has production features like pitch and time stretching everything is accessible instantly. We are working to make Repeater a powerful looper both live and in the studio. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 16:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32463; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:17:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:17:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C27B5@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Michael Monroe gig in City Center, Mpls today review Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:45:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://hometown.aol.com/mmonroedmm is this it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 16:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00377; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:22:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001206212119.18247.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:21:19 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There's a store in Redwood city, on El Camino, whose > name is on the tip of > my tongue (Gerbers? something with a G :>). They > have a good selection of > gear, and usually mark stuff down at the register. > The staff aren't that > knowledgeable, at least in the keyboard department. > However, they are not > working on commision, which makes their life, and > ours, easier. Gelb music. This is usually one of my first choices. Trouble is that they frequently seem to have trouble coming close to matching others' prices. > There's a store called Draper's in Palo Alto, just > down the street from me. My experience has only been bad with Draper's. They once agreed to sell me a piece of gear on the phone for a certain price, said that I would get no return priviledges 'cuz they were selling it so low . I said ok, and went in an hour later to get it. They then said that they couldn't sell it to me because it was a demo model. But they could order one for me, but couldn't sell it at the price they had quoted me. The manager was no help at all, except to point out to the Ass. Mngr. that it was illegal to try to sell gear without a return priviledges. My second attempt to buy something from them was no better. I've had good luck also with Bananas at Large, 8thstreet.com, and Gitter Center in San Jose. Starving is always fun to polk around in. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 16:33:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00821; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:31:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026501c05fca$c6141010$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:23:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have the sickness (flu). > The update on Repeater would be as Leonardo said. We are aiming to Ship > before winter NAMM. Our power supply passed CSA with a few minor mods so > . . . Thanks for the update and info, Damon! And get well soon! ('Doc' Leas sez, "Drink plenty of fluids ( alcoholic-free :( ). Get plenty of rest. And avoid computers....What 'cha doin' emailing us!!!") Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:05:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02110; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:02:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2EB707.BE8A2B54@soundsliketree.com> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:00:39 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Fab New MIDI/Mac sequencer/looper! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm the guy who has been asking about the existance of any good MIDI software loopers for the Mac. My poking around finally yeilded a potential gem: http://www.mboom.com It allows you to create an environment where you can have a bunch of different MIDI loops represented as buttons, and when you press one it loops there indefinitely until you press another which then causes it to switch at a quantized point - all the while sending beat clocks. This is almost exactly what I was looking for. I will try the demo over the holidays and report back. Cheers, eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02456; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:04:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:04:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:03:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2000 22:03:24.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A7AFDE0:01C05FD0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ???????????? From: "Dennis Leas" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: RE:Repeater update... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:23:27 -0500 > I have the sickness (flu). > The update on Repeater would be as Leonardo said. We are aiming to Ship > before winter NAMM. Our power supply passed CSA with a few minor mods so > . . . Thanks for the update and info, Damon! And get well soon! ('Doc' Leas sez, "Drink plenty of fluids ( alcoholic-free :( ). Get plenty of rest. And avoid computers....What 'cha doin' emailing us!!!") Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03847; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:24:58 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE:Repeater update... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA03716 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have the sickness (flu). Feel better Damon... I think I'm at the beginning of some bug meself. > Nope. Loop copy lets you copy a loop from one location to another. For example: I make a loop at location 1 on the CFC card. I want to copy it to another card without booting my computer. I just copy the loop to location '1 in the internal memory, swap cards and then copy the loop from '1 to the new card. You could also use it to copy the loop to another location to build a variation. etc...It's like it sounds....copy. Ah... a more storage based function. >>... and they don't really make it completely clear if you can arm Overdub so it begins at the start of the Loop Copy and allows you to play while the loop copy is being done. So I'm believing that you may have to wait for one Loop Copy cycle to double a loop... what if you want 16 copies? Do you have to press Loop Copy 4 times (2 4 8 16?) It doesn't sound like you'll be able to create odd numbered or even 6, 10, 12 or 14 bar executions. Food for thought... > This is the function of loop multiply. The present implementation is that it doubles the loop every time you press the button. A press and hold of the button will let you dial in the exact number of times you want the loop replicated i.e.: 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc. That sounds good... what's the upper limit on this? > We have had alpha feedback to allow this to divide a loop length as well. We have also had feedback to make this a live process where it is enabled and multiplies the loop as you overdub (similar to EDP). Odds are it will be implemented as stated first, Cool... I'd be very interested in having Divide capable of quantized divide (halving or cutting down the number of cycles) as well as real-time.. where the first tap shows the start point and the next tap ends the divide. > however...the software will be easy to update. (Put software on CFC card -Insert CFC - New Repeater OS. No service people, no screw drivers, no chip pulling). So If you become a Repeater looper give us your feedback! Simply awesome... >>One EDP feature which I really like that I don't believe the Repeater has is the Insert function. > Correct. At the present time we do not have an insert function. Any alpha folks commenting on this? If not you have to get a few more people in on alpha testing! >>The EDP NextLoop function allows for groupings of dissimilar length loops which you can freely move between. You don't have to have a midi controller to initiate a pgm chg to jump to another dissimilar length loop. Damon has said that a pgm chg to another STORED loop will happen very fast so it should be functional still doesn't address the fact that you're not able to record dissimilar length loops in REAL TIME ON THE FLY and then migrate among them without intensive midi pgm chg tap dancing. > This makes it sound harder than it actually is. There is a knob on the face plate to access loop locations as well as the MIDI access. Access to a new loop location is instant whether it is STORED or blank so you will be able to record a new loop at a different length in real time on the fly. So do you just reach over and crank to a new location? Then hit record to start? >> When using my midi controller, I have a bank configured to freely call up any of these loops with a single button press... I also can tap a button and change the parameters so that the change occurs either at the end of the loop or immediately. > Repeater kinda does this in a different way. You move to the new location and pressing play will engage the new loop. If you hit play close to the end of the loop Repeater will wait and engage the new loop at the end of the loop. A press outside of this window will engage the loop exactly when you press play. Awesome... >> This kind of capability and depth doesn't seem likely in the Repeater... snip! > Repeater is very much a real time loop based recorder. Even though it has production features like pitch and time stretching everything is accessible instantly. We are working to make Repeater a powerful looper both live and in the studio. My above comment probably seems provocative... As an admirer of the completist approach of Kim and Matthias, I've probably made this seem too strong. I'm just saying that the Repeater has many VERY ATTRACTIVE features, but still doesn't have some of the (important to me) features I frequently use on the EDP. I'm still totally stoked that it's coming to market though and certainly will do my best to grab one. I'd say the stereo feature coupled with the moveable fx insert point will be a major joy for me. I'm so burdened by having to have dedicated boxes before and after my looper now... Thanks so much for your quick replies Damon... Get well soon. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 17:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04575; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012062238.OAA25168@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:39:27 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com nocal only-loopers-i've always loved 'haight' tho' i bought my edp @ bananas...stanner ---------- >From: Stephen >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! >Date: Wed, Dec 6, 2000, 2:21 PM > >> There's a store in Redwood city, on El Camino, whose >> name is on the tip of >> my tongue (Gerbers? something with a G :>). They >> have a good selection of >> gear, and usually mark stuff down at the register. >> The staff aren't that >> knowledgeable, at least in the keyboard department. >> However, they are not >> working on commision, which makes their life, and >> ours, easier. > >Gelb music. This is usually one of my first choices. >Trouble is that they frequently seem to have trouble >coming close to matching others' prices. > >> There's a store called Draper's in Palo Alto, just >> down the street from me. > >My experience has only been bad with Draper's. They >once agreed to sell me a piece of gear on the phone >for a certain price, said that I would get no return >priviledges 'cuz they were selling it so low well, ok>. I said ok, >and went in an hour later to get it. They then said >that they couldn't sell it to me because it was a demo >model. But they could order one for me, but couldn't >sell it at the price they had quoted me. The manager >was no help at all, except to point out to the Ass. >Mngr. that it was illegal to try to sell gear without >a return priviledges. My second attempt to buy >something from them was no better. > > >I've had good luck also with Bananas at Large, >8thstreet.com, and Gitter Center in San Jose. >Starving is always fun to polk around in. > >===== >Stephen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 20:26:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19336; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:24:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:24:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <20.ee7b52b.27604087@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:23:19 EST Subject: Re: Warning! Musician's Friend Warning! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/5/00 7:26:53 PM Central Standard Time, shindler@mediaone.net writes: << Did you pay with a credit card? If Musician's Friend won't cancel your order, you can have your credit card company refuse payment to them. Just call the number on your card, explain the situation, and they can probably help you in disputing the claim (unless your credit card company is run by a bunch of jerks too). >> For this type of thing, I highly recommend Citibank Visa, they have helped me out on charges like this quite a few times, and have always been friendly, courteous, and got the job done. my $.02 - Crossedout@aol.com *hoping now that the "Friend" doesn't fuck up my return of defective merchandise* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 21:56:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25942; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:55:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:55:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQT/PiPw4CK/nQAhpxM9QK0ZZTTkwIUWiD3NG/sjVScZf37tn2uctUE/X4= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:54:13 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <9823-3A2EFBD5-1446@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I want to get into tape sampling/sequencing, on account that it's cheaper, it sounds better (IMO), It looks cooler- using a razor to cut & splice, and I'm an "analog purist" ha ha ha! I can't find any info about how to do it anywhere! Can one of you mad scientists out there tell me the basics of it, just so I can get started, I'd GREATLY appreciate it! Thanks in advance!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26346; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:05:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:03:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am sorry. The repeating of my message was not an intentional loop but probably a looping mistake of my server. I am taking a class on C.G. Jung's active imagination. I found that, actually, I have been doing it for years with my music and poetry, although not as systematically as he suggests. Active imagination can be done in various ways and with various techniques, such as poetry, visual arts, sculpting, etc. The point is to do art in order to reflect and not for art's sake. A session should be followed by the reflection on the symbols and "messages" received during the creative event. Personally, I do it with musical improvisation and looping. I find looping VERY helpful in the process because, e.g. it lets me to stay with a topic for a while, play over, let it go, mix it with another one. Right now I am doing research on the relationship between musical improvisation (and looping) and the unconscious during the active imagination practice. I thought there might be someone on LD knowledgeble of the subject. I am writing a paper about the process. When I am done with it, I will put it on my web site and announce it here, in case some of you wants to look at the paper. SOURCES: I have not found anything written on looping and the unconscious yet (would you know?). But some good resources about active imagination and improvisation are these: Robert A. Johnson: Inner Work C.G. Jung: Jung on Active Imagination Collin Lee: Music at the Edge: The Music Therapy experiences of a musician with AIDS. (This is a great book showing the value of musical improvisation!) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26719; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c05ffb$bca2f4c0$0100a8c0@none> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:13:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looping and the unconscious mind are intimately linked in a lot of the Jung-related material that I have read. One of the most prominent symbols for an inner journey is the spiral... through which one travels from the light into the darkness (a point of singularity where all is one) and back out again to the point where one began. The process continues as one grows or continues seeking even deeper levels of meaning and self-knowledge, thus creating the loop. Also, rituals and any repetitive acts could be considered "looping" and broadens the scope of connection between looping and the unconscious mind. Life is the loop, Jonathan << I have not found anything written on looping and the unconscious yet (would you know?). >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:24:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27011; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:23:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:23:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:30:29 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: OT: considering kyma purchase To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for the off topic post, but i noticed several kyma believers posting here and i just couldn't help myself. temporary insanity.... i am considering getting a kyma system before the end of the year (so uncle sam can help me out). i plan to use it for effects, looping and general mangling using several instruments as input. (mostly real-time) does anyone want to talk me into/out of this? i have already read the orville vs. kyma debate in the archives, so let's not repeat that, ok? any info on picking one up used in the usa? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 6 22:28:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27305; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:27:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:27:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001206222924.007d5890@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:29:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <9823-3A2EFBD5-1446@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Live, real-time looping and slice&splice magnetic tape constructions aren't really the same thing at all, but if you aren't in the mood for LD's apples, try some of the cool-looking cheap oranges at or Tim At 06:54 PM 12/6/00 -0800, you wrote: > I want to get into tape sampling/sequencing, on account that it's >cheaper, it sounds better (IMO), It looks cooler- using a razor to cut & >splice, and I'm an "analog purist" ha ha ha! I can't find any info about >how to do it anywhere! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 02:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01819; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:13:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:13:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> References: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:17:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am sorry. The repeating of my message was not an intentional loop >but probably a looping mistake of my server. > >I am taking a class on C.G. Jung's active imagination. I found that, >actually, I have been doing it for years with my music and poetry, >although not as systematically as he suggests. Active imagination can >be done in various ways and with various techniques, such as poetry, >visual arts, sculpting, etc. The point is to do art in order to >reflect and not for art's sake. I started in that corner too, I suspect. I used to say that my loops were not art, not music, just sound that helped for some brain process... >A session should be followed by the >reflection on the symbols and "messages" received during the creative >event. I used to play for an hour every day and then listen to it while doing some relaxation exercises. A lot changed in live, I went to Rio... >Personally, I do it with musical improvisation and looping. I find >looping VERY helpful in the process because, e.g. it lets me to stay >with a topic for a while, play over, let it go, mix it with another >one. Right now I am doing research on the relationship between >musical improvisation (and looping) and the unconscious during the >active imagination practice. I thought there might be someone on LD >knowledgeble of the subject. > >I am writing a paper about the process. When I am done with it, I >will put it on my web site and announce it here, in case some of you >wants to look at the paper. Very insteresting. I had the intention to relate looping to other sciences in the beginning and then more and more abandoned the idea to make music and create loop equipment... ambition... I had imagined that psychiatrists and brain research would join our group (which turned to be this list). On the LOOP delay prospect it said: LOOP GROOP - Forum for Loopology and repetitive happenings. > >SOURCES: >I have not found anything written on looping and the unconscious yet >(would you know?). But some good resources about active imagination >and improvisation are these: >Robert A. Johnson: Inner Work >C.G. Jung: Jung on Active Imagination >Collin Lee: Music at the Edge: The Music Therapy experiences of a >musician with AIDS. (This is a great book showing the value of musical >improvisation!) I hope I find time to read next year! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 02:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03108; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c05ffb$bca2f4c0$0100a8c0@none> References: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> <003901c05ffb$bca2f4c0$0100a8c0@none> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:35:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Looping and the unconscious mind are intimately linked in a lot of the >Jung-related material that I have read. > >One of the most prominent symbols for an inner journey is the spiral... great! of course we related looping to the spiral form immediately... Later I joined a tradition where the spiral is the symbol for force, more or less. >through which one travels from the light into the darkness (a point of >singularity where all is one) and back out again to the point where one >began. sounds like TAO. >The process continues as one grows or continues seeking even deeper levels >of meaning and self-knowledge, thus creating the loop. > >Also, rituals and any repetitive acts could be considered "looping" and >broadens the scope of connection between looping and the unconscious mind. > >Life is the loop, hm, to be more precise, I think evolution has a spiral form and might sound like a growing loop, with a slightly reduced FeedBack :-) The only lyrics I ever wrote is about this: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/lyrics.htm The song, recorded one t.c.2290 in 1988 is also there: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Rhythm.ram (I should put it up as mp3, maybe) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 02:59:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08697; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:58:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:58:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018a01c06023$7f8c5900$0100a8c0@none> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer><003901c05ffb$bca2f4c0$0100a8c0@none> Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:58:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: << great! of course we related looping to the spiral form immediately... Later I joined a tradition where the spiral is the symbol for force, more or less. >> Well when thinking of spirals in terms of force, I tend to think about two interacting linear forces which form the spiral... I actually have some ideas for an art/sculpture project about this which I'll probably never get to *sigh*. << >through which one travels from the light into the darkness (a point of >singularity where all is one) and back out again to the point where one >began. sounds like TAO. >> Yep, it's a common theme and TAO is a very good symbolization of it. << >The process continues as one grows or continues seeking even deeper levels >of meaning and self-knowledge, thus creating the loop. > >Also, rituals and any repetitive acts could be considered "looping" and >broadens the scope of connection between looping and the unconscious mind. > >Life is the loop, hm, to be more precise, I think evolution has a spiral form and might sound like a growing loop, with a slightly reduced FeedBack :-) >> I always think that the universe is just one complex waveform with multi-dimensional axes... I wonder what feedback does to it? Hey speaking of which isn't sound-art one of the only four-dimensional art forms since the waveforms can be three-dimensional and change through time... Anyway this is really off-topic isn't it? I don't even have my hardware looper yet!!! Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 04:35:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11030; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:33:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:33:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c06030$b32643e0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:32:58 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember my first time under Sodium Pentathol, the occasion being the removal of some otherwise lovely K9 bicuspids in preparation for (ugh) braces. It was 1971, and I'd never heard anything really that used looping technology, more or less just emerging musically from using Beethoven to help my parents escape Montovani, Percy Faith and Perry Como. [shudder] The thing I remember sonically during the blackout after attempting to count backwards past 99 was a non-lingual jibberish combined with what I believe were four tones, repeated over and over again, until I came to. At first of course there was the fear element, but my curiosity and analysis of the looped sounds helped me to stabilize the fear, and enjoy the experience somehow. I couldn't ever repeat the sounds of course, but I never forgot the edge of the sound loop itself. And it WAS a loop, I'm convinced. Does this have anything to do with my enthusiasm for looping today? Could be, could be! I try not to analyse THAT too much, preferring to just DO instead. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! "Petr Dolak" Looped: > I am taking a class on C.G. Jung's active imagination. I found that, > actually, I have been doing it for years with my music and poetry, > although not as systematically as he suggests. Active imagination can > be done in various ways and with various techniques, such as poetry, > visual arts, sculpting, etc. The point is to do art in order to > reflect and not for art's sake. A session should be followed by the > reflection on the symbols and "messages" received during the creative > event. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 07:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16793; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <77.d1deefc.2760dc99@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:29:13 EST Subject: Phila Gig Fri.15th. To: Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA16765 Resent-Message-ID: <38X7E.A.OGE.JM4L6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri. Dec. 15th. "Invasion of Time" - (Paul Mimlitsch -Stick®/ Loops & Jim Speer-Stick/Loops) - "Gate to Moon Base Alpha" Concert Series, @ "The Rotunda", University of Penn., 4012 Walnut St., Philadelphia. Additional performances by Quentin Davis, Meisha, Seaweed Soup, David Tolento. Time: 8:00pm-11:30pm. info: (215)349-7725 <> <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 08:40:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18008; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:38:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:38:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:37:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 168.28.48.116 Resent-Message-ID: <4YIGBD.A.vYE.kK5L6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i once slipped on a broken egg next to still waters c. Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Matthias Grob wrote: > Well when thinking of spirals in terms of force, I tend to think about two interacting linear forces which form the spiral... I actually have some ideas for an art/sculpture project about this which I'll probably never get to *sigh*. through which one travels from the light into the darkness (a point of >singularity where all is one) and back out again to the point where one >began. sounds like TAO. >> Yep, it's a common theme and TAO is a very good symbolization of it. The process continues as one grows or continues seeking even deeper levels >of meaning and self-knowledge, thus creating the loop. > >Also, rituals and any repetitive acts could be considered "looping" and >broadens the scope of connection between looping and the unconscious mind. > >Life is the loop, hm, to be more precise, I think evolution has a spiral form and might sound like a growing loop, with a slightly reduced FeedBack :-) >> I always think that the universe is just one complex waveform with multi-dimensional axes... I wonder what feedback does to it? Hey speaking of which isn't sound-art one of the only four-dimensional art forms since the waveforms can be three-dimensional and change through time... Anyway this is really off-topic isn't it? I don't even have my hardware looper yet!!! Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 08:40:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18016; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:39:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:39:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:44:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: Inter-Aural Phase Cancellation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Is it possible that the signal coming from the headphones is out of >phase with the sound of your own voice inside your head? Are they >cancelling each other out? no, its too complex for such acuracy. >Or is this just a psycho-acoustic effect, >whereby you are trained to ignore your own voice and thereby hear it >differently when presented the sound in this context. good idea I think we are simply used to hear ourselves better. If you do the same with a band mix, the guitarist also will complain. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 09:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18897; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:06:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:06:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031701c06055$e9f52e20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <9823-3A2EFBD5-1446@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:59:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3bqTEB.A.BnE.sk5L6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: > I want to get into tape sampling/sequencing, on account that it's > . . . >Can one of you mad scientists out there tell me > the basics of it, just so I can get started, I'd GREATLY appreciate it! I'm not the best qualified to comment on this. It's been a long time since I cut tape... What kind of things do you want to do? Splice segments together? Form tape loops? What kind of tape recorder do you have? Awhile back, somebody mentioned a "classic" book on tape splicing, etc. I can't recall the name of it right now and I think it's out of print. But maybe you could still find a copy. Check the LD archives. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 10:43:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20399; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:41:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan: >Anyway this is really off-topic isn't it? I don't even have my hardware >looper yet!!! Not at all, this list was never meant as a gear list! Discussion of functions and necessary equipment is a result of a desire and fascination we have for the non material side of repetition, no? As you just proved, the hardware is not necessary to get involved. aka phalen180: >i once slipped on a broken egg next to still waters sorry? you drowned? Jonathan: >Well when thinking of spirals in terms of force, I tend to think about two >interacting linear forces which form the spiral... I actually have some >ideas for an art/sculpture project about this which I'll probably never get >to *sigh*. its amazingly dificult to care for the things we consider fundamental... >m>Life is the loop, > >hm, to be more precise, I think evolution has a spiral form and might >sound like a growing loop, with a slightly reduced FeedBack :-) >> > >I always think that the universe is just one complex waveform with >multi-dimensional axes... Fine, the spiral then represents this waveform in a way we can look at it. The further dimensions may be the ones we really are fascinated by. >I wonder what feedback does to it? As EE and looper I tend to believe that there is no oszilation without feedback. I dont know how the tiny parts guys think about it. What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) >Hey speaking >of which isn't sound-art one of the only four-dimensional art forms since >the waveforms can be three-dimensional and change through time... Well, in the usual graphic, the axis of the spiral would be time, and we assume that the oscilation of the other two axis moves "upwards" or foreward in evolution. This is just a model or symbol. If you animate the graphic, you win a dimension, but it changes its look, since you watch time as time and the third dimension is a further oscilation. Can you creat this illusion on a 2d screen? It might turn into a growing ball. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 10:49:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20782; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:44:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <031701c06055$e9f52e20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com there was a pretty good overview of razor editing in an issue of tape op a while back, maybe it was early this year or late 99... that'd be as good a place to start as any. but fasten yr seatbelt when you go shopping for a block, my 1/2 inch editall ran me about $90. and it might not be too easy to get yr hands on splicing tape & leader either, depending on where you live... if you don't already have a full compass catalog, that's a good source for analog accessories that might or might not be hard to find nearer by where you are. also - bear in mind that if you're getting into looping tape it's not necessarily what the manufacturer of your tape deck planned on in its design stage, and running long loops (like out to a mic stand or some other "external hub") can be somewhat detrimental to motors, capstan, etc. if you have but one open-reel machine that you rely on for everything it might be a good thing to check the flea markets, yard sales, pawn shops, etc for a secondary looping deck in order to spare yr primary the wear n tear. getting off the soapbox now, a:c On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Dennis Leas wrote: > From: > > I want to get into tape sampling/sequencing, on account that it's > > . . . > >Can one of you mad scientists out there tell me > > the basics of it, just so I can get started, I'd GREATLY appreciate it! > > I'm not the best qualified to comment on this. It's been a long time since > I cut tape... > > What kind of things do you want to do? Splice segments together? Form tape > loops? What kind of tape recorder do you have? > > Awhile back, somebody mentioned a "classic" book on tape splicing, etc. I > can't recall the name of it right now and I think it's out of print. But > maybe you could still find a copy. Check the LD archives. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 11:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21778; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:19:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:19:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001207161627.67274.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: abduction scene Subject: RE: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I *love* having Matthias G. on this list... > Discussion of functions and necessary equipment is a result of a > desire and fascination we have for the non material side of > repetition, no? > As you just proved, the hardware is not necessary to get involved. AND: > > aka phalen180: > >i once slipped on a broken egg next to still waters > > sorry? you drowned? AND: > its amazingly dificult to care for the things we consider > fundamental... AND: > What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) AND so much more... -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 11:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22548; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <034d01c0606b$efaccba0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20001207161627.67274.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:37:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I *love* having Matthias G. on this list... Yes! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 11:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22739; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:47:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:47:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C27D7@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:17:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NOT ME FOR GODSAKES! just kidding. he's a pal indeed! Jimmy George > I *love* having Matthias G. on this list... Yes! Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 13:06:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24932; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:00:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:33:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm using Kyma and these are a few of my, (subjective) observations. Kyma is not just a looper it's a general sound creating/processing tool that you can configure to be a looper. It could just as easily be a sampler, synthesizer etc. It has a lot of ram for storing loops ands if you want to store complete performances it'll do that to your computer's hard drive too. It's sonic quality is impeccable, 24 bit at up to 100khz sampling rate. This is important for me since the regeneration of sound involves degeneration of signals and I don't like my loops mushy. It's interface is rather clunky as far as programming is concerned. Having said that if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all your musical output for the next 3 years. You also HAVE to use it with a computer. This obviously gives you good visual feedback but is one more thing to cart around for live gigs. Kyma to me is like an utterly beautiful sophisticated woman who's also a bit crazy - she can be exasperating but she's worth it ! Mine sings to me too : ) Gareth L's Kyma OK > > i am considering getting a kyma system before > the end of the year (so uncle sam can help me out). > i plan to use it for effects, looping and general > mangling using several instruments as input. > (mostly real-time) > > does anyone want to talk me into/out of this? > i have already read the orville vs. kyma debate in > the archives, so let's not repeat that, ok? > > any info on picking one up used in the usa? > > thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 13:06:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24728; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:58:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:58:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001207115708.007f0e90@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:57:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis In-Reply-To: <007901c05edd$87129820$0b5ad2d1@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, There is actually a lot written on the subject: looping/unconscious/symbols/meaning. Shamanic literature Ecstatic dancing Voodoo Drumming Native American Etc. Read some of Charles Tart's stuff. Stanley Krippner. People have been fooling around in this area for a long time. Michael At 11:03 AM 12/5/00 -0600, you wrote: >I am sorry. The repeating of my message was not an intentional loop >but probably a looping mistake of my server. > >I am taking a class on C.G. Jung's active imagination. I found that, >actually, I have been doing it for years with my music and poetry, >although not as systematically as he suggests. Active imagination can >be done in various ways and with various techniques, such as poetry, >visual arts, sculpting, etc. The point is to do art in order to >reflect and not for art's sake. A session should be followed by the >reflection on the symbols and "messages" received during the creative >event. > >Personally, I do it with musical improvisation and looping. I find >looping VERY helpful in the process because, e.g. it lets me to stay >with a topic for a while, play over, let it go, mix it with another >one. Right now I am doing research on the relationship between >musical improvisation (and looping) and the unconscious during the >active imagination practice. I thought there might be someone on LD >knowledgeble of the subject. > >I am writing a paper about the process. When I am done with it, I >will put it on my web site and announce it here, in case some of you >wants to look at the paper. > >SOURCES: >I have not found anything written on looping and the unconscious yet >(would you know?). But some good resources about active imagination >and improvisation are these: >Robert A. Johnson: Inner Work >C.G. Jung: Jung on Active Imagination >Collin Lee: Music at the Edge: The Music Therapy experiences of a >musician with AIDS. (This is a great book showing the value of musical >improvisation!) > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 13:18:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25411; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:11:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C27E9@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Friday's Looping Show in Austin Texas ... Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:40:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all. Will the folks from Houston contact me if you are coming to the show tomorrow the 8th for Jimmy George and Tim Reynolds. I need your names for the list at the door. Please send your replies to jimmy@loadhandler.com and also jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com . Thanks! Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 13:22:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25648; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:17:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:17:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:08:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kyma to me is like an utterly beautiful sophisticated woman who's also a bit >crazy - she can be exasperating but she's worth it ! hahaha...i liked this one. what does that make the other looper hardware though? are they women, too? "Jamman is like a trustworthy and dedicated plain jane who only does the missionary position"??? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 13:50:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26543; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:48:20 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <025701c0607e$4527b5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2Dr9q.A.zdG.Ap9L6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As EE and looper I tend to believe that there is no oszilation > without feedback. > I dont know how the tiny parts guys think about it. > What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) prime mover? big bang? quantum mechanics says: heat and chance. i am only vaguely familiar with string theory, but these guys think all matter is energy oscilating in tiny loops. i agree that fundamentally there must be a feedback occurring down there. > >Hey speaking > >of which isn't sound-art one of the only four-dimensional art forms since > >the waveforms can be three-dimensional and change through time... > > Well, in the usual graphic, the axis of the spiral would be time, and > we assume that the oscilation of the other two axis moves "upwards" > or foreward in evolution. This is just a model or symbol. > If you animate the graphic, you win a dimension, but it changes its > look, since you watch time as time and the third dimension is a > further oscilation. Can you creat this illusion on a 2d screen? It > might turn into a growing ball. wouldn't this just look like a waveform display? if the object were a regular spiral it would be a sin wave... > Not at all, this list was never meant as a gear list! > Discussion of functions and necessary equipment is a result of a > desire and fascination we have for the non material side of > repetition, no? > As you just proved, the hardware is not necessary to get involved. are you guys SURE you don't want to talk about gear? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 14:39:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27301; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:13:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:06:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >there was a pretty good overview of razor editing in an issue of tape op a >while back, maybe it was early this year or late 99... that'd be as good a >place to start as any. but fasten yr seatbelt when you go shopping for a >block, my 1/2 inch editall ran me about $90. and it might not be too easy >to get yr hands on splicing tape & leader either, depending on where you >live... > Speaking of tape op and splicing tape, there's a great anecdote in the new issue from Phill Brown. He was doing a splice on the 2" master of Marley and the Wailers "I Shot the Sheriff", one of the band member handed him an enormous spliff, and while he was smoking, a seed popped and sent some hot ashes onto the tape, which melted several inches of the master, and it was part that they intended to use. In this day and age of digital editing, it's good to be reminded of the old days, when you had one chance to get it right... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 14:42:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28043; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010301c06084$5fd63fc0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:32:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not as bad as you might think considering the tape was probably running at least 15 ips- 2 inches would be a fraction of a second- and there is no chance the tape will "crash". I am digital myself but still love the whole analog system- I am often driven to madness by software problems- a fresh all-audio box will be in the works for me... ..the moral is- clean your herb RIGHT the first time! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dave Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing >>there was a pretty good overview of razor editing in an issue of tape op a >>while back, maybe it was early this year or late 99... that'd be as good a >>place to start as any. but fasten yr seatbelt when you go shopping for a >>block, my 1/2 inch editall ran me about $90. and it might not be too easy >>to get yr hands on splicing tape & leader either, depending on where you >>live... >> >Speaking of tape op and splicing tape, there's a great anecdote in the new >issue from Phill Brown. He was doing a splice on the 2" master of Marley >and the Wailers "I Shot the Sheriff", one of the band member handed him an >enormous spliff, and while he was smoking, a seed popped and sent some hot >ashes onto the tape, which melted several inches of the master, and it was >part that they intended to use. In this day and age of digital editing, >it's good to be reminded of the old days, when you had one chance to get it >right... > >____________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org >Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic >Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- >____________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 15:28:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29412; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B1566DE9@msgatl06.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'Rob Switzer'" , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ebay auctions of interest to looping guitarists Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the whole Ground Control system does not sell, would you be interested in selling JUST the GCX? I have the Ground Control, and right now don't need the System Mix. If so, how much? Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Switzer [mailto:rswitzer@721.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:20 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Ebay auctions of interest to looping guitarists > > > Hi everyone, > > I'm offering a Roland GP-100, as well a Ground Control Foot > Controller, GCX > Switcher, and System Mix Plus audio mixer for sale on ebay. > > All are in excellent condition, having only seen home studio > use, and come > with original manuals. > > The reason I'm selling is that I also play reeds and am badly > in need of a > soprano saxophone. In the unlikely event someone wants to > work a trade, > email me privately. > > Check it out ... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=516642490 > > best, > rob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 15:47:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29998; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:41:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:41:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lemmee guess.... that would have been on the _burnin_ sessions, right? nyuck, nyuck... a:c On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Dave Trenkel wrote: > >there was a pretty good overview of razor editing in an issue of tape op a > >while back, maybe it was early this year or late 99... that'd be as good a > >place to start as any. but fasten yr seatbelt when you go shopping for a > >block, my 1/2 inch editall ran me about $90. and it might not be too easy > >to get yr hands on splicing tape & leader either, depending on where you > >live... > > > Speaking of tape op and splicing tape, there's a great anecdote in the new > issue from Phill Brown. He was doing a splice on the 2" master of Marley > and the Wailers "I Shot the Sheriff", one of the band member handed him an > enormous spliff, and while he was smoking, a seed popped and sent some hot > ashes onto the tape, which melted several inches of the master, and it was > part that they intended to use. In this day and age of digital editing, > it's good to be reminded of the old days, when you had one chance to get it > right... > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic > Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- > ____________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 15:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30178; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:44:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2809@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , "'Rob Switzer'" Subject: RE: Ebay auctions of interest to looping guitarists Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:13:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <8GDULC.A.MXH.aZ_L6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am interested in the Ground Control. How much? jimmy george jimmy@loadhandler.com If the whole Ground Control system does not sell, would you be interested in selling JUST the GCX? I have the Ground Control, and right now don't need the System Mix. If so, how much? Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 15:56:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30562; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:51:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:51:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:52:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Not as bad as you might think considering the tape was probably running at >least 15 ips- 2 inches would be a fraction of a second- and there is no >chance the tape will "crash". I am digital myself but still love the whole >analog system- I am often driven to madness by software problems- a fresh >all-audio box will be in the works for me... Evidently it was enough that he had to find the same bar in a 3rd take and replace it. The band and producer never noticed, anyway (probably too stoned!). ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 16:38:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31666; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkJCEBMejPlnjnXahl9leVAVhVRUCFDW3EFiybBJIHkWPY3zcs18Z9bdY Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:34:06 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <2321-3A30024E-1796@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dennis Leas" 's message of Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:59:27 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested in constructing closed tape loops, ol'-skool sequencing/editing/sampling. I'm not really interested in real-time looping. Right now I have an Akai 1700. I bought it a few months back, not knowing how downright impossible it would be to get any information whatsoever on the basic techniques of tape editing.... what basic materials do I need?, -what type of adhesive do I use to splice? What's an "editing block"? Please excuse the dumb questions- I really am this clueless about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 16:40:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31948; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:39:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:39:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT-Theremins in Chicago Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:37:19 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 21:37:20.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[E090E640:01C06095] Resent-Message-ID: <4XLgCB.A.mxH.sMAM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some group with 2 Theremin players was at the Adler Planetarium in Chicago at a Calendar Trade show. I didn't make it but my co-worker was saying I should have-it was very exotic sounding she says. I don't know if they were looping or not. Does this group ring a bell with anyone? They had 2 additional players of unknown instruments. Do the Lothars (which are playing at the Nervous Center in Chicago on Friday Night) have any thing to do with Lothar and the Hand People? Sounds like they were at least inspired by the name if nothing else... Nick Wilson _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 16:51:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32375; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:49:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:49:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PERCUSSION LOOPER Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:48:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 21:48:21.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[6ACCF8C0:01C06097] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi My name is Alyosha, I am a percussion player and I was wondering if some one has heard about some cheep (400USD) machine to loop. I was interested in the Jamman but it's really hard to get. If there are some cool advices I would appreciate it. Thank you. Alyosha _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 16:55:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32659; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:54:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:54:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010301c06084$5fd63fc0$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <010301c06084$5fd63fc0$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:45:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, just out of curiosity... why do you folks want to do tape loops? i think i would get it if you already had experience with tape loops and splicing and such, and had access to the equipment. but if you're a total beginner to it, and don't have any equipment and such...what is the attraction to it from a creative point of view? i would be interested...especially since we make alot of noise on this list about User Interfaces and 'instant gratification' sort of subjects...like "why won't this machine think like i do, so i don't have to change the way i like to work". as a newbie to tape splicing and looping, it would seem that the learning curve would be pretty steep to 'get it right' and the potential to get bogged down in the 'process' of making tape loops could outweigh the creative output. i'm just imagining how long it would take me to create a tape loop that would yield the same results that my DL4 would give me in a matter of seconds. also, the methodology of tape looping isn't really 'original' at this point. people have struggled for years with the limitations of the technology. what drives you to do it yourself? i'm not slagging on your interest....far from it. i would just be interested in why you're attracted to it. the 'sound' of tape? the unexpected results based on the margin of error? the mechanics of building the loop? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 17:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00536; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:03:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Alyosha Barreiro wrote: > Hi > My name is Alyosha, I am a percussion player and I was wondering if some one > has heard about some cheep (400USD) machine to loop. > I was interested in the Jamman but it's really hard to get. > If there are some cool advices I would appreciate it. I'd recommend you check out the Tools of the Trade section of the Loopers website. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html At your price point, maybe a little more and look at the Boomerang? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/boomerang.html Maybe the Line 6 DL4 for well under $400? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/line6/Line6-DL4.html regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 17:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01095; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015d01c0609a$be86a8a0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <010301c06084$5fd63fc0$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:12:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could just be a desire to experience the process in a more tactile way. Literally touching the recording has a kind of appeal, though I confess I haven't done tape loops myself I can remember the old "record pause rewind repeat" style loops before I had anything else to work with. Something was satisfying about it, even though today it would seem really inferior to sampling something destroying it and cropping it in soundforge and being done with it. I don't think either way is right or wrong, I can see the appeal of each, maybe people are just interested in the contrast. Plus, when I listen to old stuff like Reich's "come out" it does intrigue me, maybe the limitations are a way to force creativity. okay done rambling cheers! Jon > why do you folks want to do tape loops? i think i would get it if > you already had experience with tape loops and splicing and such, and > had access to the equipment. but if you're a total beginner to it, > and don't have any equipment and such...what is the attraction to it > from a creative point of view? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 18:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02335; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:10:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:10:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:08:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2000 23:08:16.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[94C2B290:01C060A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Alyosha From: Steve Burnett Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:02:48 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Alyosha Barreiro wrote: > Hi > My name is Alyosha, I am a percussion player and I was wondering if some one > has heard about some cheep (400USD) machine to loop. > I was interested in the Jamman but it's really hard to get. > If there are some cool advices I would appreciate it. I'd recommend you check out the Tools of the Trade section of the Loopers website. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/tools.html At your price point, maybe a little more and look at the Boomerang? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/boomerang.html Maybe the Line 6 DL4 for well under $400? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/line6/Line6-DL4.html regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 18:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02614; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:14:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:14:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <2321-3A30024E-1796@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whhuuffff.... ok, here goes. you need an edit block, splicing tape, a wax marker (sometimes referred to as a "china marker", preferably white,) and a shitload of razorblades. some empty reels will also come in handy in certain situations. the edit block is a heavy rectangular piece of steel that's grooved in the EXACT width of the tape you're using. so if you're on a 1/2 inch machine (like me), your block has a channel running along it 1/2" wide. a 4 or 5 inch segment of your tape sits in there so it won't wiggle while you slice. cut into the block perpendicular to the guide channel are 2 slits, one at 90 degrees and one on an angular bias. those are the guides you run the razor blade thru so IT won't wiggle when you cut. the block will also help you line up your segments-to-be-joined. now, dunno my akais, i'm assuming that's an open-reel deck... but it needs to be able to allow you to cue, that is to scrub the reels by hand over the heads. some decks, when in "pause" keep the tape off the heads and won't let it down. some decks won't allow you to move the reels in pause. you need to be able to do both. so here's how it goes - stop the tape right near the place you want to edit. in cue, (tape on heads, reels not turning) scrub the tape to locate the exact moment you need. it's a lot like cueing up a record, if you've ever done any dj'ing. when you locate your spot, make a china marker mark on the BACK of the tape (the side of the tape not in contact with the heads) on the part of the tape that's right on the playback head (if you're in "play") or the sync head (if you're in "sync") but not over the rec head. and of course, don't get any marker grease on the head, or anywhere but the backcoat of the tape. then roll the tape back and play it a couple of times watching carefully for that marker mark to make sure that you put it in the right spot. the marker mark might zip by kinda quick, so you gotta keep an eye right on it. stop the deck. if it's in the place you want fine,. if not, re-cue and re-mark. pull the pertinant section of tape away from the machine, slide it into the guide on the block with the back sdie of the tape up (or you won't see the mark, natch) line the marker mark up with one of the razor guides. run the razor thru the slot and you'll get a neatly cut piece of tape. then you'll need to repeat the operation with the tape you're linking up to, whether that's tape from another reel, leader, or the ass end of the segment you've got (in the case of a loop). once that's done, put both trimmed ends in the block butting up against one another. the block really helps you line the 2 ends of tape up precisely. cut a piece of splicing tape an inch or 2 long, lay it carefully over the backs of both segments with the middle of the splice tape over the place where your 2 tape ends meet. lay the splicing tape down very, very carefully so that it is straight and even over both segments. burnish it down (as in, "rub") and i now pronouce you man and splice. if you're doing lots of these, change blades frequently. and you should do lots of these to really get the hang of it. now, to address the question of "why would you"... well, it's like wanting to work with wood, or old carburators, or molten gold leaf.... yeah, there's lots more modern ways to do it, that are (arguably) vastly more modern, efficient, and precise! you just gotta..... sorta... like it, like working with tape and blades and china markers. hey, i'm already pushing a mouse around all day at work... it's nice to get home to a completely unrelated technology now and then! also - if you (like me) like the way analog sounds, then you're either spending a bit over a hundred on all the tools to cut tape or a LOT more on a computer system to dump yr analog sounds into so you can then manipulate them. using a computer is definately a lot more efficient than open reel tape, no doubt about it, and the availble utilities are mind boggling. it just so happens that i don't own any of that stuff... so deal! i don't have time to proof this very well, so sorry if i've omitted or mistyped anything. all right! a:c On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 Bowerbird@webtv.net wrote: > I'm interested in constructing closed tape loops, ol'-skool > sequencing/editing/sampling. I'm not really interested in real-time > looping. Right now I have an Akai 1700. I bought it a few months back, > not knowing how downright impossible it would be to get any information > whatsoever on the basic techniques of tape editing.... what basic > materials do I need?, -what type of adhesive do I use to splice? What's > an "editing block"? Please excuse the dumb questions- I really am this > clueless about it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 18:52:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03182; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:33:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004e01c06041$4f616ea0$295ad2d1@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:30:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, Could you please be more specific? The subjects you mentioned contain hundereds of volumes. Any specific titles? >There is actually a lot written on the subject: looping/unconscious/symbols/meaning. Shamanic literature Ecstatic dancing Voodoo Drumming Native American Etc. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 18:57:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03868; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:53:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:54:19 +0000 Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah but over and over an over : P Martin Shellard > From: rich > > hahaha...i liked this one. > > what does that make the other looper hardware though? are they women, too? > > "Jamman is like a trustworthy and dedicated plain jane who only does > the missionary position"??? > > best, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 19:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04763; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:31:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:31:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis Message-ID: <0056890016532023000002L932*@MHS> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 12/07/00 20:29:58" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA04653 Resent-Message-ID: <-Yvi2C.A.5IB.luCM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The basic quantum mechanics wave equation and Maxwell's Equations both have different derivatives of the wave on each side of the equation, so this is the "source" of feedback and oscillation. Quantum electrodynamics, the combination of the two, does the same. I don't know string theory either but I would venture to guess that this concept is so fundamental that it is hard to avoid in descriptions of the Universe. It has been many years of EE'ing since my Bachelors in Physics! > As EE and looper I tend to believe that there is no oszilation > without feedback. > I dont know how the tiny parts guys think about it. > What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) prime mover? big bang? quantum mechanics says: heat and chance. i am only vaguely familiar with string theory, but these guys think all matter is energy oscilating in tiny loops. i agree that fundamentally there must be a feedback occurring down there. > >Hey speaking > >of which isn't sound-art one of the only four-dimensional art forms since > >the waveforms can be three-dimensional and change through time... > > Well, in the usual graphic, the axis of the spiral would be time, and > we assume that the oscilation of the other two axis moves "upwards" > or foreward in evolution. This is just a model or symbol. > If you animate the graphic, you win a dimension, but it changes its > look, since you watch time as time and the third dimension is a > further oscilation. Can you creat this illusion on a 2d screen? It > might turn into a growing ball. wouldn't this just look like a waveform display? if the object were a regular spiral it would be a sin wave... > Not at all, this list was never meant as a gear list! > Discussion of functions and necessary equipment is a result of a > desire and fascination we have for the non material side of > repetition, no? > As you just proved, the hardware is not necessary to get involved. are you guys SURE you don't want to talk about gear? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 19:58:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06110; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:51:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:51:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:49:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had fun making some tape loops on an old Teac 4-track, 1/4" machine. I just cut loops of blank tape and threaded them into the machine, and then recorded onto the four tracks. You can do some cool stuff that way. The Teac records at 7.5 or 15 inches per second, so you can record some of the tacks at each speed, which makes them play at half or double speed, depending upon which is engaged. You can also flip the tape around and record some of the tracks in reverse. You can also use the sync head to change the timing between tracks. It would be fun to play around on a machine with 24 tracks, and with vari-pitch, and with a high-end console with lots of aux sends, and with racks and racks of outboard gear, and with an intern bringing me coffee, and with some guy that I could call who would come in and re-patch everything the way I wanted it, and with another guy who would come in and figure out why it wasn't working correctly and fix it, but I digress.... As far as splicing goes, what I was doing only required a single splice. I just overlapped the two ends of the loop and made a 45 degree cut through both ends at once with a razor blade. Then I used one of the little pieces of silver tape that comes with the reel to join the ends after I butted them together. I used scotch tape after I ran out of the silver stuff, and it worked great. You need to line up the ends of the tape really well so that you won't hear a transition. Have fun! -Hans -----Original Message----- From: Bowerbird@webtv.net [mailto:Bowerbird@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing I'm interested in constructing closed tape loops, ol'-skool sequencing/editing/sampling. I'm not really interested in real-time looping. Right now I have an Akai 1700. I bought it a few months back, not knowing how downright impossible it would be to get any information whatsoever on the basic techniques of tape editing.... what basic materials do I need?, -what type of adhesive do I use to splice? What's an "editing block"? Please excuse the dumb questions- I really am this clueless about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 20:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06923; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:23:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:23:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001208012238.2890.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:22:38 -0800 (PST) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Need a synth fixed? To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, sh-101@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goto www.synthrepairshop.com he is in Gainesville, FL but accepts ship-ins from all over. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 20:51:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07708; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:48:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:48:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001207205024.007d0970@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 20:50:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:49 PM 12/7/00 -0800, Hans wrote: >...Then I used one of the little pieces >of silver tape that comes with the reel to join the ends after I butted them >together. I used scotch tape after I ran out of the silver stuff, and it >worked great. You can get *real* audio splicing tape at Radio Shack, 1/2" x 100" for $1.99 (pn 44-1127)... (Scotch tape tends to ooze sticky gummy gooey stuff sometimes, and your heads won't like that even a little bit. And that silver stuff is used to trigger the auto-reverse sensor on some 1/4 track open reels.) They also have a simple editing block for $3.99 (pn 44-224); nothing fancy or precise, but it works. It has tracks for both 1/4" and 1/8" tape. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 22:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09888; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:30:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:30:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009e01c060c7$1b8da540$6019500c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: <3A2EB707.BE8A2B54@soundsliketree.com> Subject: Re: Fab New MIDI/Mac sequencer/looper! Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:29:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <66nd6C.A.-ZC.3WFM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Eric: I've been using MBoom for creating ambient soundscapes for about 10 months now. It's a great program for looping. Some examples of what I've done with it ( and another pc program "Sounder" ) can be found at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/160/will_green.html You might also want to look into MOTU's Freestyle. Another great midi looping tool. Will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 7 22:54:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10442; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:52:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:52:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A305BB6.39D10794@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:55:34 -0800 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need a synth fixed? References: <20001208012238.2890.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, what looper does this repair shop prefer? Does it have anything to contribute to looping ideas? I didn't think so. This is just plain old, mindless, grade B spam. Please don't spam the list. Pratt Winkle wrote: > > goto www.synthrepairshop.com > he is in Gainesville, FL but accepts ship-ins > from all over. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 02:39:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14645; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 02:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 02:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRinGcj/lOeO11YdhIloHQ50nvXwwIUAME1qRco+cnTsFkLhsHjkQ/VHZ8= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:35:50 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: rich 's message of Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:45:49 -0800 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <5OeWDB.A.okD.Y9IM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich- I can totally understand where you're coming from- why spend so long making a tape loop when you can easily do it in one second with a sampler? I like the imperfections of analog equipment versus the perfection of digital equipment. This goes for synths, analog delays, and also sampling/sequncing. I'm basing this on my personal experiences using digital and analog equipment and especially listening to records that use analog versus digital equipment. To me, a simple tape loop is much more stimulating to listen to than a computer-sequence. I'm not knocking anyone who uses computers or hardware sequncers, this is just my personal taste. Besides the aesthetic part, it's more economical for me to do it with tape, it's hundreds of dollars cheaper than a computer or hardware sequencer, and like I said- I prefer the (imperfect) sound of analog versus digital. One more thing- in a live setting you don't have to wait for a tape sequence to load up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 04:45:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16266; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:42:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 04:42:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2F5976.5DAF0A5@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 01:33:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPER References: <200012072155.QAA00308@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Alyosha, My name is Rick Walker and I am a professional percussionist/trapset drummer who has been looping live for about 7 years. I have used three jammans (or jampersons as we call them in politically correct Santa Cruz) and have recently purchased two of the LINE 6 DM4 Modeller footpedals. I can't rave about them enough!!! If they had any midi syncing capabilities (which they don't, unfortunately) I would sell my jampersons in an instant. A friend of mine (a very creative Looping Acoustic/Electric Bassist by the name of Max Valentino) just bought one for the best price I've heard yet ($239.00) from Mars Music. >From my experience it would be good to put a mic preamp before the pedal and you can get a really cheap, physically small one from Behringer for under $100. I have mics into channels one and two and panned hard left and right, then the left channel goes to one DM4 and the right channel goes to a Digitech Whammy Pedal (simple octave up/down harmonization) and then into the DM4. It's all on a pedal board: very convenient. Good luck in the looping world. If you end up having any problems don't hesitate to e-mail me for help. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 08:27:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20014; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:22:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:22:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A30E047.741FA453@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:21:11 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT-Theremins in Chicago References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com space module wrote: > Do the Lothars (which are playing at the Nervous Center in Chicago on Friday > Night) have any thing to do with Lothar and the Hand People? Sounds like > they were at least inspired by the name if nothing else... Inspiration and acknowledgement of one's ancestors is the connection. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 08:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19953; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:20:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A30DFC9.21321192@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:19:05 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing References: <2321-3A30024E-1796@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bowerbird@webtv.net wrote: > I'm interested in constructing closed tape loops, ol'-skool > sequencing/editing/sampling. I'm not really interested in real-time > looping. Right now I have an Akai 1700. I bought it a few months back, > not knowing how downright impossible it would be to get any information > whatsoever on the basic techniques of tape editing.... what basic > materials do I need?, -what type of adhesive do I use to splice? What's > an "editing block"? Please excuse the dumb questions- I really am this > clueless about it. An editing block holds the tape so you can get precise repeatable cutting angles. There is special splicing tape to put the pieces together. Add a single edge razor blade, and you have the basics. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 10:50:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23897; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:48:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:43:44 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/08/2000 09:43:47 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I can't rave about them enough!!! If they had any midi syncing capabilities (which they don't, unfortunately) I would sell my jampersons in an instant.< Rick, I agree that the DL4 is a potent low-cost looper, but, like you, I am disappointed by the lack of midi synch. I thought perhaps I could use the DL4's max delay and sample times as hard bpm determinants, for instance, always setting the delay or loop time to the max and--knowing the max delay time--work out the bpm from there. This is what I discovered: Delay models (2.5 seconds delay time): at 4 beats per sample, bpm = 96, at 8 beats per sample, bpm = 192. Looper (11 seconds sample time): at 16 beats per sample (four 4/4 measures), bpm = 87.27 at 24 beats per sample (six 4/4 measures), bpm = 130.91 at 32 beats per sample (eight 4/4 measures), bpm = 174.55 As you can see, none of those bpm are really "standard" tempos, either a shade too fast or too slow. Even switching to 3/4 doesn't help much, the tempos remain the same, unless you can work in phrases or statements of odd-numbered measures. Anyone up for a ten-bar blues? So, I was wondering--especially in working with other hard-bpm sources like a drum machine or sampler--how does one combat the inevitable drift? I wonder if it would at all be possible to retrofit the DL4's delay time knob with a detented or quantized pot, one that allows accurate, reproducible delay times of say, 0.5, 1, 1.5 and 2 seconds? The tap tempo function would still be available to get delay settings in between the discrete values. The bpm generated by these values are much more friendly. Oh, wait, then I'd lose all the super-cool delay-time knob twiddling psycho monumental sound storms available by a non-discrete pot. Damn. What if we just capped the delay time at 2 seconds? The loop time to 8 or 10? Any ideas? Should I just shut up and buy a EDP or Repeater? L Rick Walker cc: Subject: RE: PERCUSSION LOOPER 12/07/00 03:33 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Hey Alyosha, My name is Rick Walker and I am a professional percussionist/trapset drummer who has been looping live for about 7 years. I have used three jammans (or jampersons as we call them in politically correct Santa Cruz) and have recently purchased two of the LINE 6 DM4 Modeller footpedals. I can't rave about them enough!!! If they had any midi syncing capabilities (which they don't, unfortunately) I would sell my jampersons in an instant. A friend of mine (a very creative Looping Acoustic/Electric Bassist by the name of Max Valentino) just bought one for the best price I've heard yet ($239.00) from Mars Music. >From my experience it would be good to put a mic preamp before the pedal and you can get a really cheap, physically small one from Behringer for under $100. I have mics into channels one and two and panned hard left and right, then the left channel goes to one DM4 and the right channel goes to a Digitech Whammy Pedal (simple octave up/down harmonization) and then into the DM4. It's all on a pedal board: very convenient. Good luck in the looping world. If you end up having any problems don't hesitate to e-mail me for help. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 13:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26767; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:11:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:11:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A312404.4BF806B4@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:10:11 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Should I just shut up and buy a EDP or Repeater? > Yes. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 13:23:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26853; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:15:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:15:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:11:27 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/08/2000 12:11:27 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <62piaB.A.KjG.8TSM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I knew there would be at least one super-funny-guy to respond like this. L Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER 12/08/00 12:10 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht > Should I just shut up and buy a EDP or Repeater? > Yes. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 14:17:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27850; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:54:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:52:35 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing (Negitiveland) References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Digital is great, but there are still things that do not work as well in the digital domain. Mainly this is due to processor speed and resolution. When you get right down to it, tape "is" a digital domain in the fact that you're changing the magnetic properties of an atom of some metal. It's just REALLY HIGH resolution. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. I'd love to get into DJ'ing for the "scratching" element of it, but I don't have the room for the turntables or the vinyl I'd need. My Korg KAOSS pad kind of let's you "scratch/shuttle" through a sample, but IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME. I played with a yamaha DJXIIB the other day and it seemed to do a decent job at faking a record scratch effect, but it was hard to tell through it's cheezy speakers, and my fiancee was very embarrassed by my playing with it and dragged me away. She dragged me to the Roland guitar synths, so it wasn't that bad. Anyone have one of these? I should probably just buy a turntable. A few months ago I saw Negitiveland play in San Francisco and it was one of the best performances I've ever seen. TONS of looping, most of in analog. Negitiveland is mostly about the content, and I don't think it would have mattered if they were using slick digital samplers and digital video setups, except for the SHOW. It was amazing to watch them flail around with tons of tape loops and 16mm film loops. Watching people push buttons on black plastic just don't cut it. When I perform, I use MIDI to control video clips via a Macintosh. I started doing this because people always commented about my horrible stage presence! I'm looping guitar, vocals and bass! I don't have time for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance! The video is my dancer. I've actually taken video tape of my audience with and without the video show, and I've proven that people stay longer with the video. Mark Sottilaro Bowerbird@webtv.net wrote: > Rich- > I can totally understand where you're coming from- why spend so long > making a tape loop when you can easily do it in one second with a > sampler? I like the imperfections of analog equipment versus the > perfection of digital equipment. This goes for synths, analog delays, > and also sampling/sequncing. I'm basing this on my personal experiences > using digital and analog equipment and especially listening to records > that use analog versus digital equipment. To me, a simple tape loop is > much more stimulating to listen to than a computer-sequence. I'm not > knocking anyone who uses computers or hardware sequncers, this is just > my personal taste. Besides the aesthetic part, it's more economical for > me to do it with tape, it's hundreds of dollars cheaper than a computer > or hardware sequencer, and like I said- I prefer the (imperfect) sound > of analog versus digital. One more thing- in a live setting you don't > have to wait for a tape sequence to load up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 14:21:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28041; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:58:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:56:44 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: PERCUSSION LOOPER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA27985 Resent-Message-ID: <1WCfZ.A.d1G.W8SM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That WAS succinct Mark! Lindsay... I'd say the DL4 is a great sounding, affordable, fun delay and looping box... but there's no substitute for sync capabilities if you want that. It sounds like with drumboxes and sequencers, you're definitely in that world... so YES... get something with sync capabilities. Keep the DL4 and any other hardware delays you have though. You'll want more delays later... trust me. 8-) Best, -Miko >>> lindsay@pavestone.com 12/08/00 10:14AM >>> > Thanks. I knew there would be at least one super-funny-guy to respond like this. >>> Should I just shut up and buy a EDP or Repeater? >> Yes. >> Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 14:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28916; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:18:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3133BE.3F31A0BC@soundsliketree.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:17:18 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fab New MIDI/Mac sequencer/looper! References: <3A2EB707.BE8A2B54@soundsliketree.com> <009e01c060c7$1b8da540$6019500c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's good to find someone in a similar boat. Have you had any problems with MBoom in a live looping setting? Anything about it leave you wanting? eo William Green wrote: > Eric: > > I've been using MBoom for creating ambient soundscapes for about 10 months > now. It's a great program for looping. > Some examples of what I've done with it ( and another pc program "Sounder" ) > can be found at: > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/160/will_green.html > > You might also want to look into MOTU's Freestyle. Another great midi > looping tool. > > Will -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 14:22:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28426; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:15:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:15:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A31330C.721BFA80@soundsliketree.com> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:14:20 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing (Negitiveland) References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: >When I perform, I use MIDI to > control video clips via a Macintosh. what software do you use if you don't mind me asking? eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 14:44:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29647; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c0614f$03e31be0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> Subject: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:42:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Watching people push buttons on black plastic just don't cut it. When I perform, I use MIDI to control video clips via a Macintosh. I started doing this because people always commented about my horrible stage presence! I'm looping guitar, vocals and bass! I don't have time for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance! The video is my dancer. I've actually taken video tape of my audience with and without the video show, and I've proven that people stay longer with the video. Mark Sottilaro >> My story goes like this: About a year ago I started making music using my computer and loop-based software (ACID, etc) and really got into it. I'd wanted to be a musician for a long time but really hadn't "believed" that I could do it all by myself. Anyway, to make a long story short, I decided recently that I wanted to be able to play live shows without doing some sort of glorified CD player bit with DAT/MD/CD/Laptop/etc, which led to several weeks of frustration as I attempted to envision a process/method/setup wherein I could put on an interesting performance and be able to create a complex and interesting sound live with a minimum of backing tracks. I've gotten a bunch of gear now and I'm well on my way to having a (to my mind) satisfactory live sound, but I've also found that as Mark states here "I don't have time for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance!" or to even look away from what my hands are doing. Besides the fact that after practicing a lot more (years...) I may be able to work all this stuff without looking, and the mentioned use of video.... does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a necessarily knob-twiddling performance? Thanks, Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 15:19:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30265; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:03:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:03:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A313E6D.7DD48ECA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:02:52 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing (Negitiveland) References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> <3A31330C.721BFA80@soundsliketree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com vidvox http://vidvox.net/ eric oberthaler wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > >When I perform, I use MIDI to > > > control video clips via a Macintosh. > > what software do you use if you don't mind me asking? > eo > > -- > eric oberthaler > http://www.soundsliketree.com > (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 15:25:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30420; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:09:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:09:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A313FC6.5BC6D581@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:08:38 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c0614f$03e31be0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://vidvox.net/ phalen orion wrote: > << Watching people push buttons on black plastic just don't cut it. When I > perform, I use MIDI to > control video clips via a Macintosh. I started doing this because people > always commented about my horrible stage presence! I'm looping guitar, > vocals and bass! I don't have time for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance! > The video is my dancer. I've actually taken video tape of my audience > with and without the video show, and I've proven that people stay longer > with the video. > > Mark Sottilaro >> > > My story goes like this: > > About a year ago I started making music using my computer and loop-based > software (ACID, etc) and really got into it. I'd wanted to be a musician > for a long time but really hadn't "believed" that I could do it all by > myself. > > Anyway, to make a long story short, I decided recently that I wanted to be > able to play live shows without doing some sort of glorified CD player bit > with DAT/MD/CD/Laptop/etc, which led to several weeks of frustration as I > attempted to envision a process/method/setup wherein I could put on an > interesting performance and be able to create a complex and interesting > sound live with a minimum of backing tracks. > > I've gotten a bunch of gear now and I'm well on my way to having a (to my > mind) satisfactory live sound, but I've also found that as Mark states here > "I don't have time for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance!" or to even look > away from what my hands are doing. > > Besides the fact that after practicing a lot more (years...) I may be able > to work all this stuff without looking, and the mentioned use of video.... > does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? > > Thanks, > Jonathan > aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 15:27:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30393; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:08:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:08:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRQgNDS4nXiH9lykuS8ygauJHhv6gIUf+7ZVufVCpzg0OzaCiBFlbwpQRU= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:08:01 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <20479-3A313FA1-319@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "r. dennis" 's message of Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:12:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thankyou for the in-depth advice! What reel-to-reel models would you recommend? The reason I'm asking is that my Akai doesn't work properly, and I'll probably be buying a r-to-r through the recycler, so I'll have to know if it's an acceptable model before I drive out to who-knows-where to buy it. I've heard Revox is my best bet. About that "china marker", is there a place to buy those, or is it just any old peice of wax? Just one more thing.... since different loops are different lengths, is there some kind of device for keeping the tape tight aroud the reels? Is this what's refered to as a "loop arm"? Thanks so much! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 15:30:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30439; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:09:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:09:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c06152$ba488020$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c0614f$03e31be0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:09:06 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Finally! Someone else who recognized that Axel Rose ("Drunks and Posers") stole his dance from Davy Jones of the Monkees. Thank you! Thank you! Now back to twiddling the knobs on my DigiTech 7.6... :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! "phalen orion" intoned: > I'm looping guitar, vocals and bass! I don't have time > for that Davey Jones/Axel Rose dance! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 17:18:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01351; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:12:38 -0600 To: "space module" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: OT-Theremins in Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA01276 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nick, The Lothars are 4 theremin players and a guitarist/violinist. There name is in fact inspired by Lothar and the Hand People. I'll be performing with The Lothars tonight, 9:30 Friday at the Nervous Center, 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. (tel: 773-728-5010), right next door to the Davis theater. We use looping among other effects, and you can find out about their name (guess what Lothar is) on their website. It's linked on my "what's new" page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Best regards, Eric At 3:37 PM -0600 12/7/00, space module wrote: >Some group with 2 Theremin players was at the Adler Planetarium in >Chicago at a Calendar Trade show. I didn't make it but my co-worker >was saying I should have-it was very exotic sounding she says. I >don't know if they were looping or not. Does this group ring a bell >with anyone? They had 2 additional players of unknown instruments. > >Do the Lothars (which are playing at the Nervous Center in Chicago >on Friday Night) have any thing to do with Lothar and the Hand >People? Sounds like they were at least inspired by the name if >nothing else... > > >Nick Wilson > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >________________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon upcoming performances: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 17:31:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01727; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3144C9.9884AEE@sigecom.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:30:02 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater function question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will the repeater undo midi controller function allow you to do as follows: Record loop A Stack B on top of Loop A (then press undo) Back to just Loop A (then undo again) Loop A with stack B? (or will it take away the loop A leaving you nothing?) Will it do this back and forth thing indefinetly? Can I also record loops while I am MIDI to a Alesis effect processor and trigger different effects via Midi with different loops? I hope this is clear. I'm so new to this thing as a solo acoustic guitar player. Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 18:04:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02254; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:01:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:01:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:00:04 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA02202 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What reel-to-reel models would you recommend? Revox is king but had a Tandberg ½ track, never did any tape looping with one but they do master pretty well. Another brand is Scully. ---Still love Analog man! Anyone agree with me and still prefer a good analog hifi VCR decks warmth over 16-20 bit @ 44.1k digital recordings? -TS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 18:36:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02855; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:33:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:33:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:31:44 EST Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........i have this weird need to go out and play and i was thinking i need some "schtick" (sp?) to make it work.........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset anyone?......... funny hats work sometimes........i got to come up with something soon, i may have a gig in mid jan...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 19:14:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03656; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:13:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:13:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:12:12 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA03619 Resent-Message-ID: <5qDJrB.A.v4.njXM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice mood... Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with hi-tech gear, but hey... it'll blend with the homey atmosphere plus you'll have some nice tea to sooth your jangled nerves.) A little pounding on the gear, like it's not working properly, adds a certain element of intrigue and tension as well... Just like dad with the old tv set. Do NOT preen or affect any other obvious superior airs... Become one with your audience... enough... -Miko >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 12/08/00 03:32PM >>> In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........i have this weird need to go out and play and i was thinking i need some "schtick" (sp?) to make it work.........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset anyone?......... funny hats work sometimes........i got to come up with something soon, i may have a gig in mid jan...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 19:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04544; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:48:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:48:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A318105.50E5176F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:47:00 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, U2 used the guys from EBN to do video for their Zoo TV tour, and Madonna seems to think that being naked with lot's of dancers works well. No one from EBN has returned my calls, I got thrown in jail once for acting like Madonna, and I don't know any men or women that will be my solid gold dancers. Try making weird faces. In his first Guitar Player article, Steve Vai wrote all about the importance of good guitar faces. Remember, tomato is really hard to get off of gear. Mark Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: > > << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> > > jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........i have this weird > need to go out and play and i was thinking i need some "schtick" (sp?) to > make it work.........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being > projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset > anyone?......... funny hats work sometimes........i got to come up with > something soon, i may have a gig in mid jan...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 20:03:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05050; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater function question Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:01:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Record loop A >Stack B on top of Loop A >(then press undo) >Back to just Loop A >(then undo again) >Loop A with stack B >Will it do this back and forth thing indefinetly? You got it! It's an undo redo kinda thing. (cough, cough) Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 20:22:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05554; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:20:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:20:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <037101c0617b$f9250b00$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3A312DF4.B13C2678@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c0614f$03e31be0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:04:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_BA5k.A.iWB.yiYM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "phalen orion" To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling > Besides the fact that after practicing a lot more (years...) I may be able > to work all this stuff without looking, and the mentioned use of video.... > does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? > > Thanks, > Jonathan > aka phalen180 Dress like a blue-collar slob, drink a beer onstage while you're between songs, and scratch your ass a lot. Deflate any artistic pretensions yourself before the audience can do it. And dont forget to smile! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 20:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05842; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:35:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:35:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.217] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:34:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2000 01:34:16.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[2461EF00:01C06180] Resent-Message-ID: <258dWC.A.JbB.0wYM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Getting some talented live dancers who know your music is a real eye catcher. Start building a light show. Build it with MIDI control and sync it to video. The Tent could be an elaborate cloth backdrop. You could run 8 or 16 mm film loops on it or a slides. Just some brainstorms... I think you could easily do better than Aphex Twin who just sits on a couch with his lap top and brings on a bunch of lame dancing Bears (he obviously never watched the real "Dancing Bear" on Captain Kangaroo), Yawn. As for offending anyone, I guess that depends on how you present yourself and who you are playing to. People are bored, be exciting. Nick Wilson ----Original Message Follows---- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:31:44 EST In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........i have this weird need to go out and play and i was thinking i need some "schtick" (sp?) to make it work.........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset anyone?......... funny hats work sometimes........i got to come up with something soon, i may have a gig in mid jan...........michael _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 20:45:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06041; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:44:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001209014325.4146.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What are the knobs doing, and can you accomplish these things through midi? If so, you could get some interesting midi controllers, such as a buchla lightening, ztar, kurz. expression mate, I-cube sensors, etc. that can provide more 'splash'. Just a thought. stephen --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: > > << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about > what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 20:59:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06338; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:58:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:58:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A313D68.C79EB8C5@texas.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:58:36 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> > > jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset > anyone?........ hints from pseudo buddha: fire works nicely. have crazy people do things while you loop have a nice looking woman accompany you while you loop. oil & water light show or intellibeams. fine-looking hippy chicks undulating to the drone (makes guys pay to get in) plants & faux-oriental rugs will impress the granola babes (keep the fire away from the plants, though) > Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with hi-tech gear, but hey... it'll blend with the homey atmosphere plus you'll have some nice tea to sooth your jangled nerves.) that's how my living room really is; no couch, just gear, some pillows. i don't socialize much. > > Become one with your audience... aum. ohm. ooogolly. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 21:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06568; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:11:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:11:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:03:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice mood... >Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in >your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with >hi-tech gear, but hey... read an article recently that this reminded me of. it was an interview/article on The Thievery Corporation...one of the remix/dub/dj duo's currently garnering alot of press and praise (and i totally dig their new record 'the mirror conspiracy'...highly recommended!). anyways, on their recent tour, they set up the equipment, get the sound going, and then come out in front of the setup where there are a couple of chairs, some martini's, and some cigarettes. they just sit down and let the music go... i guess this could be seen as snobbish, but i liked their explanation. they said that the 'art' of remixing is not a performance. it's a lot of time and work done in the studio twiddling knobs, cutting, pasting, restructuring, etc. so why should they fake it onstage and act like they're bouncing around doing alot of work that's actually done in the studio? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 21:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06659; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:14:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:14:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <200012090213.CAA14507@mail.telalink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:15:43 -0600 Subject: Percussion looping:JamDude for sale From: "Tom Roady" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thought I'ld stop lurking and let everyone know of a used JamMan for sale for $350.00 at Broadway Music in Nashville Tn. Phone number 615-329-3577. Alyosho ..this could be for you. Zendrummer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 8 23:35:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09351; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <4d.4823444.27630fb9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:31:53 EST Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Resent-Message-ID: <2CJOSB.A.oRC.gXbM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Used a Tandberg half track and an Otari 50-50 to loop back in late 70's and I still find some of those loops(guitar,electric piano,ARP 2600) sonicly amazing to this day. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 00:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09752; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:56:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:56:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:55:26 EST Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/8/00 7:11:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: << anyways, on their recent tour, they set up the equipment, get the sound going, and then come out in front of the setup where there are a couple of chairs, some martini's, and some cigarettes. they just sit down and let the music go... >> This reminds me of a story that I heard Robert Fripp relate about a gig that he and Brian Eno played in a bullring in Spain in the early 70's (Basque separatists with automatic weapons greeted them at the airport upon deplaning).They had finished actively inputing anything into the tape loop and left the stage for a press box overlooking the arena whilst the tape loop played on. Peering out between the slats of the blinds they were noticed and a figure approached the box and inquired through the window in an American accent "Hey guys is the show over?" to which Eno replied "Well it is for us, but not for you". As to what to do to look interesting on stage while knob twiddling...... I've heard Fripp's soundscape gigs likened to watching an air traffic controller at work.......minus the life and death element of chance as it were. Live performance like print media will be seldom seen by the end of this century. Enjoy it while you can, as performer or audient or both. my 2 cents b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 00:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10300; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:33:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001209003604.007d39f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:36:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:03 PM 12/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >>I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice mood... >>Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in >>your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with >>hi-tech gear, but hey... Martin Mull used to do that with a couple of guys who were later in The Cars. "Fabulous Furniture" he called it. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 02:54:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12613; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:42:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was talking to a friend of mine about this silly little conversion I made to make my Lexicon Jammans say 'Jamperson', because it bugged me the inate sexism in the name, when it suddenly occurred to me: I don't know of a single woman looping artist, nor have I noticed any postings on this chain. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject. Will everybody who knows a woman looper be into posting info about them or convincing them to post to the group, assuming that there are any. I've noticed that the electronica world is more of a boys club than even the sexist pop musical world. It would be very cool if this could change. I'm going to be producing some live solo looping shows next spring and summer in Northern and Central California and I would love to include some women in the shows. I would also be interested in knowing of any one out there who is doing unusual and unconventional things in their looping shows (as opposed to the typical guitar oriented performance that seems to be most prevalent----don't get me wrong, I know and love several guitarist loopers in my area, including my incredible brother, Bill Walker, Gary Hull and the incomparable Miko B). If you are doing some cool unconventional and creative things in your solo looping shows and you live either in Southern California, Central California, Northern California or Nevada and are interested in being involved in a series of Looping Festivals next year would you please contact me? These festivals will most definitely be 'seat of your pants' (although well publicized) and will probably preclude people being able to take off a week with little or no pay without it crippling them financially..........but then again, if you can afford an EDP or a REPEATER in the first place this will probably not be to painful ;-)~ please write me at GLOBAL@cruzio.com and mail me some kind of documentation of your work (I can play CDs, cassettes, vinyl and minidiscs...........i can accomodate DATS put I don't own one so would prefer it not to be in this format. My snail mail is: | | | __ __ __ __ __ __ | |___ (__) (__) (__) * (__) (__) (__) |___ | | | | c/o RICK WALKER 412 DARWIN STREET SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA 95062-2629 tele: 831-425-8659 e-mail: GLOBAL@cruzio.com Thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18746; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:08:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:08:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:08:14 EST Subject: Re:Tape Loops Editing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > tape editing.... what basic > materials do I need?, -what type of adhesive do I use to splice? What's > an "editing block"? You need 1) "Splicing Tape" of the correct width to match your tape (1/4 in), you need the stuff which is specially designed for the purpose. 3) A razor blade. Preferably a pack of the one edged ones. 2) An editing block is a metal block with a groove that holds your tape while you cut & splice. it also has guides so that you can cut at a fixed angle.(45,60,90 deg) 2b) Some people can get away with using scissors and no block. 3) A demagnetiser to use on your razor blade (or scissors)every few edits. Also, you'll probably want another tape deck. Have you checked out the technique usually refered to as Frippertronics? Passing a tape from one machine to another. This lets you build up overdubbed loops without having to edit. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18914; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:13:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:13:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Keefopoetry@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.e1d53d3.276397de@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:12:46 EST Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, I am quite an unconventional looper. My name is Keith M. Kelley. I'm a poet from Chicago. I've pasted my short bio below. I would love to do some shows out your way. I will be snail mailing you a CD on Monday. Peace. Artist's Bio: Keith M. Kelley is a poet, musician and audio artist. He has added the rhyme, reason and raw edge of the spoken word to the programming needs of: coffee houses, nightclubs, theaters, festivals, schools and national television and radio commercials. Keith is an exciting, engaging and natural performer with the ability to inspire audience members with a written line or an adlibbed phrase. Kelley's work as the founder and Artistic Director of his spoken word band, The Funky Wordsmyths, has earned much critical acclaim including: "Critic's Choice" in the Chicago Reader, "Best Poetry\Music Performer" in New City, a Chicago Music Award nomination and a "thank-you" in the credits of the feature film "love jones". His poetic sense of humor has earned him the reputation of being one "funny man" who tells great stories and always seems to find the metaphor in the current issues, trends and attitudes of the day. Keith M. Kelley has proven for almost a decade from New York City to San Francisco that he is not only "another" performer of the spoken word or music; he is truly an innovator of both! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:49:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19786; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3243C8.F4C49971@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:38:00 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows References: <5a.e1d53d3.276397de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keefopoetry@aol.com wrote: > > Rick, > > I am quite an unconventional looper. My name is Keith M. Kelley. I'm a poet > from Chicago. And you're a woman too??? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:53:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20217; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:50:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:50:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A32460B.BF20108F@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:47:39 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows References: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker wrote: > > I was talking to a friend of mine about this silly little > conversion I made to make my Lexicon Jammans say 'Jamperson', because > it bugged me the inate sexism in the name, when it suddenly occurred to > me: I don't know of a single woman looping artist, nor have I noticed > any postings on this chain. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject. Harpist Victoria Jordanova: http://www.hooked.net/~compress/ violist Martha Mook: http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/mooke.htm -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 09:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20363; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:56:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussion looping:JamDude for sale Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 08:55:18 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2000 14:55:18.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BBE9AA0:01C061F0] Resent-Message-ID: <2JSk-C.A._9E.0fkM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for answering, Do you recomend the JAMMAN, Does it have midi functions? In a future I whant to use it whith a computer, what is your eperience? Thank you for the tip, Monday morning I will call. Alyosha Thought I'ld stop lurking and let everyone know of a used JamMan for sale for $350.00 at Broadway Music in Nashville Tn. Phone number 615-329-3577. Alyosho ..this could be for you. Zendrummer _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 10:06:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20507; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:03:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: For all Percussionist Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:02:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2000 15:02:22.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[08D4F2C0:01C061F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking for a device that I can play real-time, also I want to be able to process real-time the sound (eq, plugins) which I would like to do from a computer. Would a Jamman be a good selection. What would you recommend, and what is your experience. Also I want pedals (as all of you am sure) Thank's for all your help, I rally appreciate it. Alyosha _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 10:44:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21097; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:40:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:40:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001209104247.007d1630@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 10:42:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows In-Reply-To: <3A32460B.BF20108F@virtulink.com> References: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:47 AM 12/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >Rick Walker wrote: >I don't know of a single woman looping artist, nor have I noticed >> any postings on this chain. Try a search of the archive for "Pauline Oliveros" (or "Deep Listening"). She's been immediately mentioned the last several times this thread has come up, along with several other less well known loopstresses. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 11:19:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21998; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A325DAE.A0EBA43B@mayannetworks.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:28:30 -0700 From: Bill Davies Organization: Mayan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ibanez DM1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, This is my first post to this list. I have been lurking for quite a while, studying the archive, learning, and slowly building up my looping rig. I recently purchased an Ibanez DM1100 3.6 second rack mounted delay and am pleased with it except that it begins to randomly modulate the delayed sound after operating for about 15 to 20 minutes. Obvious Guy says it probably has something to do with heat dissipation and older (circa 1985) components. There are several trim pots in the delay (one controls the max delay time so I an squeeze out more than 3.6 seconds .. woo hoo ..!) but I can't tell what the other trim pots are for. Does anyone have a schematic or a service manual for this delay ? Does it have a trim to control modulation sensitivity ? Can I just disable the modulation somehow ? P.S. I could just weave the random modulation into the soundscape and call it 'art' but I would prefer to have a bit more control than that. :-) Thanks, Bill Davies From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 13:14:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23409; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:09:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <025701c0607e$4527b5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <025701c0607e$4527b5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:14:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: feedback and loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com from the "improv + looping in Jungian analysis" posts: > > As EE and looper I tend to believe that there is no oszilation >> without feedback. >> I dont know how the tiny parts guys think about it. >> What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) > >prime mover? >big bang? hmm, the prime mover attacked a string a very long while ago and its still sounding? :-) >quantum mechanics says: heat and chance. yes, but its no answer, since heat we can only define through the movement and chance? >i am only vaguely familiar with string theory, >but these guys think all matter is energy oscilating in >tiny loops. i agree that fundamentally there must >be a feedback occurring down there. yes, the most simple model for a string vibration is an energy loop between movement and tension. If you see the attack (additional) tension as input, that energy then turns into movement (sound output) and then on the other extreme, when the string stops again to change direction, the movement is transformed into tension again, so it may be seen as feeding back the energy... The historic loops of peace/war or splitting/unifying could be explained through feedback: The result of an action feeds a change of behavior which then changes the situation so that behavior changes again... Maybe the problem with the word "feedback" is that in many loops its not quite clear what is "back". If we look at the time scale in our music loops, it might be more correct to speak of "feedforward" (expression is used in engineering, too), since we bring the sound of a few seconds ago forward to now when its "fed back" into memory from where it will be read in a few seconds... How about feedarround? :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 14:22:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24346; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:20:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:16:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001209104247.007d1630@pop.ici.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I saw Pauline Oliveros last Sunday at a concert here in Berkeley to benefit the Pauline Oliveros Foundation, something all of us loopers should know about. She presented all the artists, including Terry Riley, his son and his friend the sax player, and they played three tunes, one by each. Pauline herself presented two of her former students with whom apparently she has maintained a creative relationship, and they performed an amazing piece, no doubt mostly improvisational, and although no looping hardware was involved, there was some recurring themes. The three of them played in different tunings, Pauline herself playing an accordion, tuned different from the piano, played by Dana Reason, which was tuned different from the obscure flutes Philip Gelb was playing. Dana Reason, by the way, a very attractive blonde, was stunning on the keys. We must keep an eye out for her. She's nearly finished with her Ph.D., and hopefully she will be putting out some new music. I am getting in touch with the Pauline Oliveros Foundation, as they are actively engaged in promoting new music and new artists. I have their brochure here. The Web site is http://www.deeplistening.org. And Pauline rocks... | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Saturday 09 December 2000 7:43 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows | | | At 09:47 AM 12/9/00 -0500, you wrote: | >Rick Walker wrote: | >I don't know of a single woman looping artist, nor have I noticed | >> any postings on this chain. | | Try a search of the archive for "Pauline Oliveros" (or "Deep | Listening"). | She's been immediately mentioned the last several times this thread has | come up, along with several other less well known loopstresses. | | -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 14:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24577; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Women who loop Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:29:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2000 19:29:45.0819 (UTC) FILETIME=[631F92B0:01C06216] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pauline Oliveros has been around musically since the 60's. She teaches at Mills College, and a lot of people credit her with being the inventor of looped music. There's also Cosey Fanni Tutti, the former guitarist of the band Throbbing Gristle. Margaret Feidler is in the electronic group Laika. I'm pretty sure that she does a large part of the instrumentation in addition to the vocals. The first 2 albums by this group are really nice. They create really nice multilayered rhythms. And there's Alejandra Salinas from the married experimental duo Alejandra & Underwood. Usually her role is of coming up with cd ideas and gathering source material for Aeron Bergman (Underwood) to loop and alter sonically, but I think she takes part in the sound processing in their live shows. There's also Jane Dowe, who's a sampling musician. I only know her from the "Deconstructing Beck" CD, but I think she has solo releases out too. I'm sure there are more. There are lots in the techno and rap worlds. I don't know of any female dj's who actually create music, but I'm sure they're out there. As for rap, I know that Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliott takes pride in doing her own production. Lots of others too, but I don't know the names. The last time I heard an Ani Difranco album, she created her own loops in 2 of the songs. I think that album was "Dilate". I know not many of these women loop solo live (well, Pauline does occasionally, I think), but there are women who loop. It's pretty amazing how few though. >From: Rick Walker >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:42:17 -0800 > > > Will everybody who knows a woman looper be into posting info about >them or convincing them to post to the group, assuming that there are >any. I've noticed that the electronica world is more of a boys club >than even the sexist pop musical world. >It would be very cool if this could change. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 15:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25189; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:01:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:01:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0621b$7eea57a0$3cb06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:18:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't forget your slippers and a nice tabby cat - but don't fall asleep! Invite your audience in for crumpets that'd help to cosy up the atmosphere. Gareth > I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice mood... Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with hi-tech gear, but hey... it'll blend with the homey atmosphere plus you'll have some nice tea to sooth your jangled nerves.) > > A little pounding on the gear, like it's not working properly, adds a certain element of intrigue and tension as well... Just like dad with the old tv set. > > Do NOT preen or affect any other obvious superior airs... > > Become one with your audience... > > enough... > -Miko > > >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 12/08/00 03:32PM >>> > In a message dated 00-12-08 14:38:49 EST, you write: > > << does anyone have any suggestions/comments about what to do to "jazz" up a > necessarily knob-twiddling performance? >> > > jonathan.........ive been thinking about this also..........i have this weird > need to go out and play and i was thinking i need some "schtick" (sp?) to > make it work.........im thinking of playing in a small tent with images being > projected thru the walls.........do you think this would upset > anyone?......... funny hats work sometimes........i got to come up with > something soon, i may have a gig in mid jan...........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 15:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25316; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:03:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:10:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: OT: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ee01c0621c$226c40a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was talking to a friend of mine about this silly little > conversion I made to make my Lexicon Jammans say 'Jamperson', because > it bugged me the inate sexism in the name, when it suddenly occurred to > me: I don't know of a single woman do you mean woperson? >...performance... perforpersonce? >...documentation... docupeopletation? allright, i am just being goofy, but i think it would be better if we all could get past this focus on words. it is very superificial and only serves as a distraction from any real injustices that might actually exist. also: i think the idea of a pc world is offensive to our mac-user members... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 15:23:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25846; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001209152326.007d07a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:23:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Women who loop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:29 AM 12/9/00 -0800, you wrote: >I know not many of these women loop solo live (well, Pauline does >occasionally, I think) >From what I've heard about her innovation with what Ms. Oliveros calls "extended accordian", it's more than "occasional" and more like "integral". Her own definition of her instrument (which was actually featured on Peter Schickele's show on National Public Radio a few months ago) includes several delay lines for live sampling and layering. Sounds loopish to me! :-) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:07:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27916; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c0622b$6eb2c7e0$5202343f@mindspring.com> From: "alex mcmanus" To: Subject: dokorder Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06201.850BB440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06201.850BB440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi ...does anyone out there have a copy of the manual for a dokorder 4 = track with sound on sound? thanks, alex ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06201.850BB440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi ...does anyone out there have a copy = of the=20 manual for a dokorder 4 track with sound on sound? thanks,=20 alex
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06201.850BB440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28614; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <96.d24eabd.27640bfc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:28:12 EST Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 00-12-09 09:13:36 EST, keith wrote: << I will be snail mailing you a CD on Monday. Peace. >> keith........how could i get one of them puppies?........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:44:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28995; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:42:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:42:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Cracks in EDP Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My EDP seems to be pretty sensitive to heat. I just finished a looping show outside in the Florida sun (it was 80 out today) and after about an hour of my EDP baking in a 6-space rack, it started to add crackles and pops into the loops. They got pretty bad, eventually I had to switch in my DL4 instead, and shut the EDP down for the rest of the set. Now I know it was the EDP causing the pops, because I recorded some silence with no input into the EDP and sure enough, the pops and crackles came back. This has happened maybe half-a-dozen times when playing while it was hot outside in the sun. I would like to know if anyone else has had this problem, and if it can be solved, Is it just a matter of ventilation? A fan, perhaps? Is it just the memory that is sensitive? BTW, Misha, the other half of my duo Future Perfect, uses a DL4 to loop her vocals. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:50:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29316; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:45:47 -0800 Subject: RE: Women in live looping From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jehn Cerron did a bunch of vocal live looping under her name and the "Eyelight" moniker. Really beautiful stuff. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29535; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:53:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:53:23 -0800 Subject: Female live loopers From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lesli Dalaba loops trumpet in various projects. The most public example is probably the Seattle band "Land". Jessica Lurie (I have no idea if she's related to John Lurie) plays sax with Living Daylights. I know their bassist loops extensively, and I believe Lurie also uses a JamMan. http://www.livingdaylights.com/start.html TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 17:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29476; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:52:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:52:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:59:59 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: feedback and loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023101c06233$c1fc1070$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <025701c0607e$4527b5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: feedback and loops > from the "improv + looping in Jungian analysis" posts: > > > > As EE and looper I tend to believe that there is no oszilation > >> without feedback. > >> I dont know how the tiny parts guys think about it. > >> What is it really that keeps everithing vibrating? :-) > > > >prime mover? > >big bang? > > hmm, the prime mover attacked a string a very long while ago and its > still sounding? :-) boooooooo|:ooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggg:| in the beginning was the word... what was the word? maybe just a big string called "word"? ohm? the hebrew name for god translates as "i am." i interpret this to mean consciousness (or self awareness) i think that consciousness itself arises from a feedback loop. both from an awareness of sense itself and from the sensing of oneself through the senses. whoo boy, does that make any sense? "sense and sensamillia" i think this kind of thing is what attracted me to musical looping in the first place. > >quantum mechanics says: heat and chance. > > yes, but its no answer, since heat we can only define through the > movement and chance? interesting point of view. what came first the chicken or the egg? they define movement in terms of "probability waves" so what is oscillating to cause these? > > >i am only vaguely familiar with string theory, > >but these guys think all matter is energy oscilating in > >tiny loops. i agree that fundamentally there must > >be a feedback occurring down there. > > yes, the most simple model for a string vibration is an energy loop > between movement and tension. > If you see the attack (additional) tension as input, that energy then > turns into movement (sound output) and then on the other extreme, > when the string stops again to change direction, the movement is > transformed into tension again, so it may be seen as feeding back the > energy... > > The historic loops of peace/war or splitting/unifying could be > explained through feedback: The result of an action feeds a change of > behavior which then changes the situation so that behavior changes > again... have you read "zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance"? persiig calls these two poles "classical" and "romantic" after the two previous periods in western culture and talks about the oscillation through history between them. > Maybe the problem with the word "feedback" is that in many loops its > not quite clear what is "back". > If we look at the time scale in our music loops, it might be more > correct to speak of "feedforward" (expression is used in engineering, > too), since we bring the sound of a few seconds ago forward to now > when its "fed back" into memory from where it will be read in a few > seconds... feedforward an interesting notion back is from output to input. in a delay this equates to forward in time. how is the term used in engineering? i recently had the brilliant idea of plugging my guitar into one input on a ring modulator the output of which i plugged into a delay, the output of which i plugged into the other input of the ring modulator. "i will play with the ring modulation of my former self and thus rule the universe!" the problem was, with no signal in the second input of the rm, there was no signal to the delay and thus no signal to the second input of the rm.... > How about feedarround? :-) yes! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 18:00:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29674; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:58:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <1541-3A308F56-31@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >One more thing- in a live setting you don't >have to wait for a tape sequence to load up. ? who loads it then, how do you do that? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 18:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29714; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:59:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Observations that may be specific for my work: I usually look down, either on the pedals, on the rack (which is upright on the ground, or at the neck). People dont like that, and its not so necessary. Since looping always lets you some moments to look up and do nothing, we just need to remember that, and it feels better! Projectors and whatnot dont resolve the problem, the public wants to see the facial expression of the artist and feel that he cares for them. Remember how good you feel if you are in the middle of the public and the "star" looks straight at you? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 18:03:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29622; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:57:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:57:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <36.f0a6730.276412a2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:56:34 EST Subject: Re: Cracks in EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <-ATcTB.A.fOH.AjrM6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Time for a brief de-lurk. In a message dated 12/9/00 2:42:01 PM, artists@hazardfactor.com writes: << I would like to know if anyone else has had this problem, and if it can be solved, Is it just a matter of ventilation? A fan, perhaps? Is it just the memory that is sensitive? >> Yes. Well, I don't actually get pops and clicks, my EDPs simply stop responding to most footpedal commands when they get hot. Heat is about the only problem I have experienced (knock on wood) with my EDPs in the 4 or 5 years I've had them. Now I have an extra reason to turn down outdoor gigs (small price to pay, I hate 'em anyway). Other than that if it gets warm indoors I pop the back off my SKB rack and that seems to be ventilation enough most of the time. Back to lurking mode T.Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 18:47:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30721; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:45:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:45:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012092340.HAA25438@mailx.info.com.ph> From: "deusirae" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: PC equivalent to vidvox? (MIDI-triggrered video) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:36:58 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I read with much interest the news that there is a way to trigger video with MIDI! Is there a program like it on/for the PC? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 20:51:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00708; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:49:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:49:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012100148.UAA12409@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Women who loop Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cheryl Wanner, my lovely wife and partner in Dreamchild does vocal looping. She incorporates a lot of that into our live show, and into the recorded materials as well, using a different approach/philosophy for each environment. In the shameless plug department, we have a new CD out, released a month ago, called La Fee Verte. See our site for further info on that. Cheryl uses a JamMan with 32 seconds of memory. She has no problem with the name and thinks that PC sort of thing is absurd . Then there are the days when I thibk I only have 32 seconds of memory. Frank Gerace Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com www.cdbaby.com/dreamchild2 At 11:29 AM 12/9/00 -0800, you wrote: >Pauline Oliveros has been around musically since the 60's. She teaches at >Mills College, and a lot of people credit her with being the inventor of >looped music. > >There's also Cosey Fanni Tutti, the former guitarist of the band Throbbing >Gristle. > >Margaret Feidler is in the electronic group Laika. I'm pretty sure that she >does a large part of the instrumentation in addition to the vocals. The >first 2 albums by this group are really nice. They create really nice >multilayered rhythms. > >And there's Alejandra Salinas from the married experimental duo Alejandra & >Underwood. Usually her role is of coming up with cd ideas and gathering >source material for Aeron Bergman (Underwood) to loop and alter sonically, >but I think she takes part in the sound processing in their live shows. > >There's also Jane Dowe, who's a sampling musician. I only know her from the >"Deconstructing Beck" CD, but I think she has solo releases out too. > >I'm sure there are more. There are lots in the techno and rap worlds. I >don't know of any female dj's who actually create music, but I'm sure >they're out there. As for rap, I know that Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliott takes >pride in doing her own production. Lots of others too, but I don't know the >names. The last time I heard an Ani Difranco album, she created her own >loops in 2 of the songs. I think that album was "Dilate". > > >I know not many of these women loop solo live (well, Pauline does >occasionally, I think), but there are women who loop. It's pretty amazing >how few though. > >>From: Rick Walker >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers Delight >>Subject: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows >>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:42:17 -0800 >> > >> >> Will everybody who knows a woman looper be into posting info about >>them or convincing them to post to the group, assuming that there are >>any. I've noticed that the electronica world is more of a boys club >>than even the sexist pop musical world. >>It would be very cool if this could change. > >___________________________________________________________________________ __________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 9 21:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01027; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A32E7A0.48DAE6AB@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:21:44 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Women who loop References: <200012100148.UAA12409@user1.channel1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frank Gerace wrote: > Cheryl Wanner, my lovely wife and partner in Dreamchild does vocal > looping. She incorporates a lot of that into our live show, and into the > recorded materials as well, using a different approach/philosophy for each > environment. In the shameless plug department, we have a new CD out, > released a month ago, called La Fee Verte. See our site for further info on > that. Cheryl uses a JamMan with 32 seconds of memory. She has no problem > with the name and thinks that PC sort of thing is absurd . > Then there are the days when I thibk I only have 32 seconds of memory. > > ... from one mdm (memory-deficient male) to another: i wonder on those days if she would rather be with the jamman? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 05:04:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08942; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:02:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:02:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c06290$f11260a0$b5936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <025701c0607e$4527b5b0$080210ac@jpalmer> <023101c06233$c1fc1070$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: feedback and loops Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:33:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Use an oscillator on one side, (A) of the ring modulator and your instrument on the other, (B) . Direct the output of your delay line into B and you get an interesting, evolving timbre - anything from tinkling bells to gong- like tones. As an added effect you could get someone to 'play' the oscillator or control it from a foot switch. If you get to rule the universe just remember who suggested this : ) Gareth > > i recently had the brilliant idea of plugging my guitar into one input > on a ring modulator the output of which i plugged into a delay, the output of which > i plugged into the other input of the ring modulator. "i will play with > the ring modulation of my former self and thus rule the universe!" > the problem was, with no signal in the second input of the rm, there was no > signal to the delay and thus no signal to the second input of the rm.... > > > > How about feedarround? :-) > > yes! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 10:43:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12829; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:41:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A33A3D3.6624C4A2@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:40:03 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Inter-Aural Phase Cancellation? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > >Or is this just a psycho-acoustic effect, > >whereby you are trained to ignore your own voice and thereby hear it > >differently when presented the sound in this context. > > good idea > > I think we are simply used to hear ourselves better. Not only, I think. Our a cappella group has been dealing with the same phenomenon since we started using in ear monitoring with one monitor mix for all of uns. Figure you´re one in a group of singers and you are _not_ using microphones. I say you´re used to hearing yourself quite in front of the "mix" that reaches your ears through the air. Just by distance. Ever tried in ear microphones and recorded yourself speaking? You are surprised of just how loud you were if you listen to your recording afterwards. So yes, I´d confirm there is some mechanism weigthing your own voice down while you produce it. Be it psycho-acoustic or physiologic. And it is a constant rather than a factor: we found that the effect is worst at a certain point of balance between the headphone volume and what you hear of your voice "acoustically". So it normally helps just to vary the headphone volume. That is, if you´re not too much limited by a noiseful environment in one direction and pain in the other. -- Manfred Bohnhoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 11:41:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13652; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001210163947.1458.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Becker Subject: Please remove To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please remove beckermusic@yahoo.com from the emailing list. I need to get a seperate email address for myself to accomodate all the looper email I get! I'll be back when I set up a new address. Best, Chris Becker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 12:02:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13918; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:00:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:00:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JrsPLCE@aol.com Message-ID: <85.409b1fa.2765105b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:59:07 EST Subject: please remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.409b1fa.2765105b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 148 Resent-Message-ID: <3JAbyC.A.PZD.Ea7M6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.409b1fa.2765105b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me from mailings...i'm all set and thanks for the help! --part1_85.409b1fa.2765105b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me from mailings...i'm all set and thanks for the help! --part1_85.409b1fa.2765105b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 13:06:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14907; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:04:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:04:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:12:01 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Women who loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02cc01c062d4$b1735b90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200012100148.UAA12409@user1.channel1.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Then there are the days when I thibk I only have 32 seconds of memory. > > Frank Gerace > Dreamchild if you were an edp you could upgrade... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 13:14:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15155; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: maresple@uswest.net Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:11:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3A33D564.ECA38C6A@pop.dnvr.uswest.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: maresple@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: need advice from you experts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi friends- I just discovered this list, and I need to ask some advice! I am a full time record producer from Denver, and I also write songs and perform solo. I play a variety of instruments, and need a good LIVE LOOPING DEVICE to layer multiple instruments. I don't need anything frilly in terms of backwards, tempo variations, etc. Just a good basic unit that will allow reliable and relatively "glitch-free" live use for adding one part at a time. I have read all the reviews on the loopers-delight site, and I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the feature comparisons. Knowing the application I seek to use the device for- WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? Line6? Akai? Jam Man? Boomerang? YIKES! I just need good sound quality and ease of use. Please reply directly to me at: Taylor Mesplé maresple@uswest.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 13:22:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15333; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: maresple@uswest.net Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:17:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3A33D6CB.F291DD13@pop.dnvr.uswest.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: maresple@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: I need expert advice from you folks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3P5CQ.A.VvD.-j8M6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi friends- I'm brand new to this list- and I need advice ASAP! I'm a full-time record producer from Denver, CO- and I'm also a songwriter that performs solo. I play multiple instruments, and I need a good LIVE LOOPING DEVICE that I can use to stack more than one instrument together in a loop, in real-time. I don't need features like backwards, tempo variation, etc.- Just a good sound quality, reliable, relatively "glitch-free" looping device that won't frustrate the heck out of me. I've read all the reviews and such on the delight site, but I'm a bit overwhelmed with the feature-based comparisons. What would you experts recommend to someone like me? The Jam Man? The 'Rang? The Akai? The Line6? HELP!!!!! :) Thanks in advance, loopers. Taylor Mesplé www.taylormesple.com maresple@uswest.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 15:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17411; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:10:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:10:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stevek@msidata.com Reply-To: Sender: "Steve Kraninger" To: Subject: Cracks in EDP Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:11:43 -0600 Message-ID: <000601c062e4$b6021830$29c7be0a@spk600> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... My EDP seems to be pretty sensitive to heat. ... I have a similar problem, but my EDP makes LOUD and UGLY noises when it over heats. I have been checking for what seem to be the hot components on the circuit board and have isolated "excess heat" to the voltage converter (power supply) IC's. I have not tried to replace them yet but may attempt it soon. I had this problem some time ago and send the unit in for service. They replaced the memory chips and the EDP worked better for a while but the problem has returned. Any other ideas as to how to solve the problem would be appreciated. Thanks Steve Kraninger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 15:49:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18146; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:46:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:46:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001210144516.007f1370@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:45:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: improv + looping in Jungian analysis In-Reply-To: <004e01c06041$4f616ea0$295ad2d1@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I wish I could be more specific. Not possible w/o Me doing a bit of research. I'd rather compose. You're the academian. Here's a tip. Contact the Foundation For Shamanic Studies (something like that). Do a web search. Michael Harner runs it. What you find are references to what you are looking for. In harner's book, Way Of The Shaman, he writes about a shamanic initiation someplace in Mexico, I think. An over the top psychedelic experience. during the experience, he confronts a very threatening dragon. He later relates this meeting to the shaman who laughs. The shaman describes the dragon and it's meaning - reference Hopi mythology. Same meaning, essentially. Later, Harner runs into some missionaries working the area for Jesus. They tell him of the biblical reference to the exact experience he had. Very interesting stuff. Looping? Drums. Perhaps the experience, itself - "looping" through cultures. Mythology - parallel symbols. Then, the vehicle employed to reach the state required to "meet" the symbol. Drums, chants, dancing, powerful drugs, repetitive movements and sounds, focused attention (hypnosis), etc. Good luck. Michael At 05:30 AM 12/7/00 -0600, you wrote: >Michael, > >Could you please be more specific? The subjects you mentioned contain >hundereds of volumes. Any specific titles? > >>There is actually a lot written on the subject: >looping/unconscious/symbols/meaning. > >Shamanic literature >Ecstatic dancing >Voodoo >Drumming >Native American >Etc. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 16:40:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19021; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:38:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:38:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000601c062e4$b6021830$29c7be0a@spk600> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, my noises range from little crackles and pops to loud, ugly digital glitches, which gets recorded onto the loop and repeats. This is only when I perform in a hot room, or outside in the sun. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I have a similar problem, but my EDP makes LOUD and UGLY noises > when it over > heats. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 17:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19671; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:38:40 +0200 From: David Subject: Fw: please remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000301c062f7$0b622740$49c807c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C062E0.CC0BDDE0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C062E0.CC0BDDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JrsPLCE@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: please remove please remove me from mailings...i'm all set and thanks for the help!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C062E0.CC0BDDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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please remove = me from=20 mailings...i'm all set and thanks for the help! = ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C062E0.CC0BDDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 17:11:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19672; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:38:04 +0200 From: David Subject: Fw: OT: Inter-Aural Phase Cancellation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000101c062f7$08b38200$49c807c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manfred Bohnhoff" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: OT: Inter-Aural Phase Cancellation? > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >Or is this just a psycho-acoustic effect, > > >whereby you are trained to ignore your own voice and thereby hear it > > >differently when presented the sound in this context. > > > > good idea > > > > I think we are simply used to hear ourselves better. > > Not only, I think. > Our a cappella group has been dealing with the same phenomenon since we > started using in ear monitoring with one monitor mix for all of uns. > > Figure you´re one in a group of singers and you are _not_ using > microphones. > I say you´re used to hearing yourself quite in front of the "mix" that > reaches your ears through the air. Just by distance. > Ever tried in ear microphones and recorded yourself speaking? > You are surprised of just how loud you were if you listen to your > recording afterwards. > > So yes, I´d confirm there is some mechanism weigthing your own voice > down while you produce it. Be it psycho-acoustic or physiologic. > And it is a constant rather than a factor: > we found that the effect is worst at a certain point of balance between > the headphone volume and what you hear of your voice "acoustically". > So it normally helps just to vary the headphone volume. > > That is, if you´re not too much limited by a noiseful environment in one > direction and pain in the other. > > -- > Manfred Bohnhoff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 17:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19670; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:10:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:38:25 +0200 From: David Subject: Fw: Please remove To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000201c062f7$0a01ace0$49c807c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Becker" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: Please remove > Please remove beckermusic@yahoo.com from the emailing > list. I need to get a seperate email address for > myself to accomodate all the looper email I get! I'll > be back when I set up a new address. > > Best, > > Chris Becker > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 18:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20801; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:12:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:12:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c06300$56578520$e15dfea9@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: Subject: PROMO: Looping show in Seattle on Friday Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:23:26 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Intonarumori performs at Consolidated Works (410 N Terry Ave, Seattle WA) on Friday, December 15th. The performance is part of the Tactical Navigation / Imagined Landscapes series hosted by the gallery. This will be the last Intonarumori performance for quite a while, so come check it out. Intonarumori loops Cello, Bass and synths using all manner of looping devices. For Intonarumori info: www.intonarumori.com Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 19:47:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22088; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:46:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:51:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1wR8oB.A.-YF.yOCN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth said: >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all your >musical output for the next 3 years. Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper dugs himself through the programming of such a patch... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 20:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23110; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:52:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c06314$eb848440$0316500c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: <3A2EB707.BE8A2B54@soundsliketree.com> <009e01c060c7$1b8da540$6019500c@default> <3A3133BE.3F31A0BC@soundsliketree.com> Subject: Re: Fab New MIDI/Mac sequencer/looper! Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:51:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's good to find someone in a similar boat. > Have you had any problems with MBoom in a live looping setting? > Anything about it leave you wanting? > eo > I haven't used it live, just in the studio. No problems to speak of though, it has been very stable. I do wish that it didn't take over the computer, though. Right now I feed the audio output from another sequencer ( Sounder, Cakewalk...) back into the computer and record it to harddrive using Total Recorder. Mboom won't allow that. ( Thou shall run no other application but me :-) ). I'm thinking of getting a standalone harddrive recorder to work around that problem. Small price to pay considering MBoom allows you to run different lengthed loops against each other. I haven't found any other sequencer yet that does that. Will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 21:06:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23371; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c062e4$b6021830$29c7be0a@spk600> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:04:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Cracks in EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:11 PM -0800 12/10/00, stevek@msidata.com wrote: >... My EDP seems to be pretty sensitive to heat. ... > >I have a similar problem, but my EDP makes LOUD and UGLY noises when it over >heats. I have been checking for what seem to be the hot components on the >circuit board and have isolated "excess heat" to the voltage converter >(power supply) IC's. I have not tried to replace them yet but may attempt >it soon. I had this problem some time ago and send the unit in for service. >They replaced the memory chips and the EDP worked better for a while but the >problem has returned. Any other ideas as to how to solve the problem would >be appreciated. > >Thanks >Steve Kraninger All recently built Echoplexes (the past two years or so) use a different type of voltage regulator that generates practically no heat. In older units, the linear regulators used to supply +5V to the digital section got quite hot. That sounds like what you are experiencing. If you want to update your Echoplex with the newer regulator and you've got some soldering skils, it is pretty easy. (if you don't have such skills, find a decent electronics tech to do it for you or have gibson do it. I'm pretty sure Shane Radtke at Gibson's service dept knows about this one.) You need to change the two +5V linear regulators at the back of the unit to a switching regulator. These are 5 volt regulators U40, and U28. When you take the top off the echoplex, they will be the two in the back attached to the heatsink. These power two 5 volt digital sections. The part used in current Echoplex production to replace these is the Power Trends (http://www.powertrends.com/) PT5101N 5V switching regulator. You should be able to get this part from Digikey (www.digikey.com). This part is a drop-in replacement for the standard 3-pin linear regulators, and they work great. You can actually use one of these to replace both of the linear regulators, and it works just fine. This is what they do in production now. You need to take the PCB out of the chassis to do it. To do that, unscrew the front panel, unscrew the pcb, unscrew the heat sink from the back, and remove the nuts from the jacks on the back. It should pop right out. What you want to do is unscrew the regulators from the heatsink. Desolder and remove both U28 and U40, the linear regs. Take the heat sink out altogether since it will be in the way, and you won't need it anymore. Solder the PT5101 into one of the regulator spots (the left one is a good choice). The PT5101 is pin compatible with the linear regs, so there should be no trouble with that. Now solder a wire from it's output pin (pin 3, on the right when looking at the front of the part) to the output hole (pin 3 again) for the other regulator location. Use reasonably thick wire, probably 18 gauge is ok. This way the PT5101 will be supplying power for both the +5V rails the old regulators powered. Put the PCB back in the chassis and screw it back together. Now power it up and make sure it works! You should see the Echoplex runs practically at room temperature now, and hopefully that cures the trouble. Let me know if you have questions. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 21:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23376; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:05:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:05:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000601c062e4$b6021830$29c7be0a@spk600> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:04:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dave- The Echoplex has to get very hot to start behaving that way. If it was 80 degrees out and sunny, the temperature inside a rack of black metal electronics boxes, all generating their own heat with little air-flow and the sun beating on them is going to be far hotter! You should be careful about that. Even though the Echoplex was the first to act up, other items are likely to have been close to the edge as well. Digital electronics frequently don't work well at extreme temperatures. All sorts of data errors can start occuring (which is probably what was happening to you.) Even if they don't obviously show problems during use, you are defintely reducing the life-span of your gear. A rule of thumb for electronics reliability in manufacturing is for every 10 degrees of operating temperature, you reduce the life of the product by half! If you are going to be playing outside in the sunlight on hot days, I would highly suggest keeping your gear under some sort of shade and have a fan blow air through your rack. That will bring the temperature down considerably inside those metal boxes! Your gear will be more reliable and last a lot longer. kim At 1:37 PM -0800 12/10/00, future perfect wrote: > Yeah, my noises range from little crackles and pops to loud, ugly digital >glitches, which gets recorded onto the loop and repeats. This is only when I >perform in a hot room, or outside in the sun. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> >> I have a similar problem, but my EDP makes LOUD and UGLY noises >> when it over >> heats. >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 21:15:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23738; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:13:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim- my 'plex is about 4 years old. Along with your other suggestions, do you recommend I do this mod to my Plex as well? thanks for your help! Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > All recently built Echoplexes (the past two years or so) use a different > type of voltage regulator that generates practically no heat. In older > units, the linear regulators used to supply +5V to the digital section got > quite hot. That sounds like what you are experiencing. If you want to > update your Echoplex with the newer regulator and you've got some > soldering > skils, it is pretty easy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 21:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24001; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:31:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:31:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:30:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, definitely! it is much better running cool. kim At 6:13 PM -0800 12/10/00, future perfect wrote: >Kim- my 'plex is about 4 years old. Along with your other suggestions, do >you recommend I do this mod to my Plex as well? >thanks for your help! > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > >> >> All recently built Echoplexes (the past two years or so) use a different >> type of voltage regulator that generates practically no heat. In older >> units, the linear regulators used to supply +5V to the digital section got >> quite hot. That sounds like what you are experiencing. If you want to >> update your Echoplex with the newer regulator and you've got some >> soldering >> skils, it is pretty easy. >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 22:20:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24816; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:19:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:25:22 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cracks in EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <034901c06321$ff059380$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whooaahhh $15.00 for a regulator chip? is it that good? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP > yes, definitely! it is much better running cool. > kim > > At 6:13 PM -0800 12/10/00, future perfect wrote: > >Kim- my 'plex is about 4 years old. Along with your other suggestions, do > >you recommend I do this mod to my Plex as well? > >thanks for your help! > > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > >> > >> All recently built Echoplexes (the past two years or so) use a different > >> type of voltage regulator that generates practically no heat. In older > >> units, the linear regulators used to supply +5V to the digital section got > >> quite hot. That sounds like what you are experiencing. If you want to > >> update your Echoplex with the newer regulator and you've got some > >> soldering > >> skils, it is pretty easy. > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 10 22:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25226; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:40:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:42:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <4-sLy.A.BKG.QyEN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Explain 'dugs' Gareth > Gareth said: > >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable > >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all your > >musical output for the next 3 years. > > Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper dugs > himself through the programming of such a patch... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 00:38:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26578; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:36:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:36:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001211053522.15493.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Cracks in EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9gSgF.A.KfG.deGN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, They're worth it. You won't believe how cool this chip runs. One of the new regulators replaces the 2 older ones. The new regulator does not have to be attached to a heatsink at all. I had a couple of early edps then bought one edp with the new regulator. I replaced the old regulators, and what was very hot, now does not even feel warm to the touch. The replacement regulator must be much more efficient than the old style. Thermal cycles (heating/cooling) lead to death in solid state electronics. It's good to stay cool. bret --- jim palmer wrote: > whooaahhh > $15.00 for a regulator chip? > is it that good? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:30 PM > Subject: RE: Cracks in EDP > > > > yes, definitely! it is much better running cool. > > kim > > > > At 6:13 PM -0800 12/10/00, future perfect wrote: > > >Kim- my 'plex is about 4 years old. Along with your other > suggestions, do > > >you recommend I do this mod to my Plex as well? > > >thanks for your help! > > > > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> All recently built Echoplexes (the past two years or so) use a > different > > >> type of voltage regulator that generates practically no heat. In > older > > >> units, the linear regulators used to supply +5V to the digital > section got > > >> quite hot. That sounds like what you are experiencing. If you > want to > > >> update your Echoplex with the newer regulator and you've got > some > > >> soldering > > >> skils, it is pretty easy. > > >> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 00:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26992; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:58:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:57:59 +1100 Subject: unsubscribe me From: Jonathan To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the great info, please unsubscribe me from this list thanks jwl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 01:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28105; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:57:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:57:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A347C54.2CD6@hevanet.com.> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:03:48 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VS880 Scrubbing question! References: <20001201204438.9300.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Bret! Y'know I mentioned a 4-track recorder a while back...well now I have a VS-840! I picked it up used for $525 (I haven't really checked, but it seemed a pretty good deal...). I'm really enjoying it. I know you said: > I've used a vs800 for about 3 yrs. and they are different animals, but they should have similarities? I am getting the hang of it pretty well, but "SCRUBBING" confuses me, and I think it's going to be very essential! Can you give me kind of a basic idea of how to do it? (I've got the manual, and will read, read, read it more, but scrubbing doesn't just jump out at me for clarity). In appreciation, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 01:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28249; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> References: <3A3090D9.82EE3B91@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:56:34 -0600 To: Rick Walker , Loopers Delight From: Eric Leonardson Subject: Re: Women in live looping and Producing Live Solo Looping Shows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_vngLD.A.J5G.FsHN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 PM -0800 12/7/00, Rick Walker wrote: [...] > Will everybody who knows a woman looper be into posting info about >them or convincing them to post to the group, assuming that there are >any. I've noticed that the electronica world is more of a boys club >than even the sexist pop musical world. >It would be very cool if this could change. A number of us here in Chicago are very conscious of the "boys club" phenomenon. In 1998 and '99 I helped and performed with several women sound artists and composers in a festival called "Mixing." Unfortunately the web site is no longer accessible. A lot artists performed in it; Pauline Oliveros among them. Of those who were using real-time sampling and looping effects, there was Sarah Peebles from Toronto, Yuko Nexus6 from Japan, Christine Baczewska from New York, Danielle Malkoff from Chicago, and Andrea Polli (co-organizer of the festival). Sarah, Andrea and Yuko all use MAX on Macintoshs, Christine used a couple JamMans, and I'm not sure what devices Danielle uses (she's a member of the wonderful group Ribbon Effect). Sarah Peebles: http://www.interlog.com/~speeb/ Andrea Polli: http://homepage.interaccess.com/~apolli/ Yuko Nexus6: http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~nexus6/index.html Ribbon Effect has a new CD out on Roomtone Records, available on-line at http://www.insound.com or http://www.othermusic.com. Let me know if you'd like Christine Baczewska's contact info. Kaffe Matthews has also made a name for herself in the field of electronic music performance, using violin and real-time sampling on a system called Lisa, which was invented at STEIM in Amsterdam. Her record label is called Annette Works: http://www.stalk.net/annetteworks/ Best regards, Eric sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon upcoming performances: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 03:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29518; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5 w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:30:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Gareth said: >> >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable >> >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all >your >> >musical output for the next 3 years. >> >> Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper dugs >> himself through the programming of such a patch... > > -- > > >Explain 'dugs' > >Gareth oh sorry, I thought it was past for "to dig" and was a picture for learning effort to make patches. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 08:12:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32383; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:09:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:09:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Cc: Subject: RE: I need expert advice from you folks! Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:03:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-To: <3A33D6CB.F291DD13@pop.dnvr.uswest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Taylor, Hey man, that's nearly a tall order, however, I do have one suggestion, try out a Boomerang. The user interface is really simple and intuitive. I've had a few different loopers, and this one is probably the best bang for the buck, especially with the new BIOS. When you're wanting to get something a bit more complex, and I do mean QUITE A BIT, check out the Echoplex, once things settle down some more as far as their production goes. The only reason I sold mine was that I don't like the user interface and that there was much more practice involved in getting the unit to act the way I was wanting it to, needs to have hotkeys, or an equivalent so that more oft used functions are not buried within menus, using a pot (or a pair of buttons for up and down, so that you can scroll through functions rather than having to deal with long/short press) and a second LCD would help out with this. Now then, for dealing with multiple instruments, let's take a slight page from my book or that of Gary Lucas, use either a switch box, or a mixing board in order to bring multiple signals into the Boomerang, it does have two inputs, one is a 1/4" mono, and the other is an RCA (has the same for outputs, too). Then should you be using multiple instruments either at one time, or be switching back and forth it'd be a matter of either giving the switch box a good kick, or moving a (fader) pot in order to get to the new instrument. Another thing is to use multiple loopers, as each of the boxes you've mentioned have some other fun features to them. The Green Line 6 box (sorry, the designation escapes me) was lots of fun, easy to use, but only does 14 seconds. Really like the volume swell portion of this beastie, but again this might not be what you're needing. I've only played a little with a Jam Man, and have to say that it was a great unit, albeit, since it is discontinued, they can be more difficult to get support. Hope this helps out. Tap on, gliss extended, loop out, LeeohkinoWired. -----Original Message----- From: maresple@uswest.net [mailto:maresple@uswest.net] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 2:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I need expert advice from you folks! Hi friends- I'm brand new to this list- and I need advice ASAP! I'm a full-time record producer from Denver, CO- and I'm also a songwriter that performs solo. I play multiple instruments, and I need a good LIVE LOOPING DEVICE that I can use to stack more than one instrument together in a loop, in real-time. I don't need features like backwards, tempo variation, etc.- Just a good sound quality, reliable, relatively "glitch-free" looping device that won't frustrate the heck out of me. I've read all the reviews and such on the delight site, but I'm a bit overwhelmed with the feature-based comparisons. What would you experts recommend to someone like me? The Jam Man? The 'Rang? The Akai? The Line6? HELP!!!!! :) Thanks in advance, loopers. Taylor Mesplé www.taylormesple.com maresple@uswest.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 08:26:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00370; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:25:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:25:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c06374$fdd191a0$7c0d343f@mindspring.com> From: "alex mcmanus" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:18:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0634A.F122E6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0634A.F122E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please unsubscribe me...thanks,alex ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0634A.F122E6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0634A.F122E6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 08:51:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00818; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:50:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:50:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:49:37 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #397 References: <200012111326.IAA00449@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------60DFAA70690BD2011330CC42" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------60DFAA70690BD2011330CC42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag" Elby > > Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:30:33 -0300 > From: Matthias Grob > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Gareth said: > >> >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable > >> >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis > of all > >your > >> >musical output for the next 3 years. > >> > >> Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper > dugs > >> himself through the programming of such a patch... > > > -- > > > > > >Explain 'dugs' > > > >Gareth > > oh sorry, I thought it was past for "to dig" and was a picture for > learning effort to make patches. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------60DFAA70690BD2011330CC42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag"  <g>

Elby
 

 
Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:30:33 -0300
From: Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
>  > Gareth said:
>>  >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable
>>  >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all
>your
>>  >musical output for the next 3 years.
>>
>>  Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper dugs
>>  himself through the programming of such a patch...
>  > --
>  >

>Explain 'dugs'
>
>Gareth

oh sorry, I thought it was past for "to dig" and was a picture for 
learning effort to make patches.
-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
 
--------------60DFAA70690BD2011330CC42-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 10:00:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02054; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:58:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:58:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: feedback and loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:54:29 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/11/2000 08:54:30 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i recently had the brilliant idea of plugging my guitar into one input > on a ring modulator the output of which i plugged into a delay, the output of which > i plugged into the other input of the ring modulator. "i will play with > the ring modulation of my former self and thus rule the universe!" > the problem was, with no signal in the second input of the rm, there was no > signal to the delay and thus no signal to the second input of the rm.... Why not reverse your patching? Let the original signal be the carrier and the delay signal be the one modulated. Add some dry direct signal to the output. I wish I had a RM to try this with... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 10:01:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02084; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:58:38 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Subject: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like this concept, the prime mover who struck a string a long time ago that is still vibrating, in that our own small loops are just harmonics and other by-products of a long sustaining loop. Maybe the activities of prominent individuals are enough to sufficiently change the character of the ongoing loop. I also have a particular guitar that, owing to its neck thru body construction seems to want to sustain forever. So when I tried it through a looper it was like having two guitars as the loop would make itself apparent when the guitar was still sustaining the same note. Maybe that's why people believe there are two earths, or two superuniverses. It's still there, but just an afterecho of what came before. Like the guitar still sustaining, there's a loop of sustained guitar that is just the echo of the real thing but no less real. And what if we, in this life are the after echo and the real earth is doing the before sustain? I've got to wake up and stop this! Caffeine please. -t -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 10:06:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02489; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:05:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:05:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I like this concept, the prime mover who struck a string a long > time ago that is still vibrating, in that our own small loops are > just harmonics and other by-products of a long sustaining loop. Hey! It was a DRUM the Prime Mover struck, not a STRING! That's why it's called "the Big Bang"! :) Dennis Leas, percussionist ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 10:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03491; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:57:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:57:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #397 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:54:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it was "dug." -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Monday 11 December 2000 5:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #397 I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag" Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03616; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:00:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #397 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0YZpa.A.E4.JnPN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it was "dug." -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Monday 11 December 2000 5:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #397 I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag" Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04191; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:16:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> References: <200012111326.IAA00449@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:19:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: brain and language limits Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag" > >Elby The problem is that some people dont realize that there are people growing up speaking differently from the americans and then have a hard time to memorize each of those irregular forms. Learn a foreign language, it will enrich you!! Learn to read a text with a wrong letter in it!! And change the subject when you reply from digest!! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04181; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:15:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:15:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:19:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Women who loop Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <33TYpD.A.wAB.G1PN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Women who loop
In Sao Paulo, there is Magda Puggi, singer and leader of the World-Vocal group MAVACA. She got hold of a EDP and ended up a including a looped piece in their latest CD. http://www.mawaca.com.br

In Switzerland, accoustic bass player Mich Gerber uses 4 Loop Delays / EDP on stage, one for the singer Imogen Heap. When I saw the show, she could not come and another lady took over the vocal part including looping operation in 3 days, and it was perfect. Then she asked me where to buy such equipment, so there are two of them now :-)
There is a great drummer, too...
Check out the CD: Amor Fati  http://www.michgerber.ch
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:38:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04787; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:36:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:38:44 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <6Kgg4B.A.VKB.yIQN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? maybe we should call it the big twang? or maybe it was a gong no, wait; a wuhan china cymbal... kkhhaaaaaaaahhhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain > > I like this concept, the prime mover who struck a string a long > > time ago that is still vibrating, in that our own small loops are > > just harmonics and other by-products of a long sustaining loop. > > Hey! It was a DRUM the Prime Mover struck, not a STRING! That's why it's > called "the Big Bang"! :) > > Dennis Leas, percussionist > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05232; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c06392$54e8eca0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:49:27 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps it's actually The Big Bhang, and the Univeral OOP. [snicker] Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: 11 December 2000 16:38 PM Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain > is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? > > maybe we should call it the big twang? > > or maybe it was a gong > no, wait; a wuhan china cymbal... > > kkhhaaaaaaaahhhhhh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Leas" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain > > > > > I like this concept, the prime mover who struck a string a long > > > time ago that is still vibrating, in that our own small loops are > > > just harmonics and other by-products of a long sustaining loop. > > > > Hey! It was a DRUM the Prime Mover struck, not a STRING! That's why it's > > called "the Big Bang"! :) > > > > Dennis Leas, percussionist > > ------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:57:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05362; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:55:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:55:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:46:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Live performance like print media will be seldom seen by the end of this >century. >Enjoy it while you can, as performer or audient or both. > >my 2 cents > b.helm i would have to disagree with you here. i work in the advertising industry and we are seeing only an expansion of print media. yes, the other media portals are expanding at a rapid pace, but paper production, print sales and other indicators have only gone up in the last couple of years, despite the expansion of the web, multimedia, cable, etc, etc. and i think we might see a backlash against studio produced music. if 'anybody' can have a studio for under $4000, and 'anybody' can cut and paste until the finished product has a perfect sheen, how will you know if the performer is actually any good unless you've seen them live? if we get too jaded of this technology, the pendulum might swing and we will place more value on the intimacy of the live performance. my 2 cents, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 11:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05587; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:57:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:57:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06dd01c06392$77cfb550$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:50:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? Humm, this confirms that the universe isn't level. Just as I thought! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:05:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05837; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: maresple@uswest.net Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:59:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3A35161F.F75CE858@pop.dnvr.uswest.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: maresple@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: digest mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you (list moderator) switch me to digest mode please? Taylor :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06250; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:08:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:08:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:08:30 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: brain and language limits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04e301c06394$fc4d7c20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200012111326.IAA00449@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <7OE66.A.0gB._mQN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com coldcabinetkeyowner! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: brain and language limits > >I thought that everyone knew that the past-tense of "dig" is "dag" > > > >Elby > > The problem is that some people dont realize that there are people > growing up speaking differently from the americans and then have a > hard time to memorize each of those irregular forms. > > Learn a foreign language, it will enrich you!! > > Learn to read a text with a wrong letter in it!! > > And change the subject when you reply from digest!! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06253; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c06395$adaac220$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:13:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We share patches through the Kyma support page. I agree there's no point in re-inventing the wheel. I would rather spend time playing into Kyma than programming it though it's nice to imagine confugurations and be able to implement them. Which reminds me Dennis - any sign of your looping patches? Gareth > > > Gareth said: > >> >... if you've programmed 8 independent stereo loops with variable > >> >pitch shifting and filtering once, this patch may form the basis of all > >your > >> >musical output for the next 3 years. > >> > >> Did you do that? I mean it does not make sense that each looper dugs > >> himself through the programming of such a patch... > > > -- > > > > > >Explain 'dugs' > > > >Gareth > > oh sorry, I thought it was past for "to dig" and was a picture for > learning effort to make patches. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:14:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06436; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:12:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:12:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:18:18 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04eb01c06396$5ad0c710$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> <06dd01c06392$77cfb550$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com of course. it's leaning out, just like me... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain > > is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? > > Humm, this confirms that the universe isn't level. Just as I thought! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:15:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06442; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:13:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:13:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:18:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I like this concept, the prime mover who struck a string a long >> time ago that is still vibrating, in that our own small loops are >> just harmonics and other by-products of a long sustaining loop. > >Hey! It was a DRUM the Prime Mover struck, not a STRING! That's why it's >called "the Big Bang"! :) I thought it was due to some extra-cosmic fast food company called Bang. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:27:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07172; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:25:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:25:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c06397$eaa70600$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200012111326.IAA00449@hemlock.violacea.com><3A34DB71.60579A74@cloud9.net> Subject: Re: brain and language limits Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:27:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_OmCsD.A.avB.92QN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not American. I speak some Italian Even when changing the one letter it didn't make much sense, (but let's not fall out over it). I freely admit that your English is MUCH better than my Italian : ) Hwyl, Gareth, (The Welshman) > The problem is that some people dont realize that there are people > growing up speaking differently from the americans and then have a > hard time to memorize each of those irregular forms. > > Learn a foreign language, it will enrich you!! > > Learn to read a text with a wrong letter in it!! > > And change the subject when you reply from digest!! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 12:27:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07170; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:25:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c06397$eb7811a0$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:28:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <6sHFzD.A.tvB.-2QN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Drum Theory ?! > > Hey! It was a DRUM the Prime Mover struck, not a STRING! That's why it's > called "the Big Bang"! :) > > Dennis Leas, percussionist > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 13:10:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08392; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06f901c0639c$70e15f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> <000701c06395$adaac220$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:01:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Which reminds me Dennis - any sign of your looping patches? Yes! I'm getting much closer to a beta! I have one more microSound to write (hopefully this next week, but it might take two) and update my documentation. Then I need a way to distribute without sending the source code; SymbSound is working on this issue. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 13:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08403; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:08:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:08:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:03:15 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Women in Looping... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA08323 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well... speaking of women and music. Pauline posted THIS to the BA-NEWMUS mailing list just this weekend... Synchronicity... WOW! Best, -Miko *------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mammaroma@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:36:28 EST Subject: [BA-NEWMUS:2310] BA-NEWMUS-from Pauline Oliveras To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since 1996 when I began teaching in the graduate composition program at Mills College I have been alarmed at the ratio of male to female candidates in composition and technology. My seminars typically have eleven men and two women. The majority of graduates in Music at Mills are men and this is a women's college. It is difficult for me to understand why women are not applying in greater numbers to this program. I would appreciate feedback and suggestions on this situation and I would love to see more women in composition and technology here at Mills. Please pass this announcement along to those that might be interested. Thank you, Pauline Oliveros Darius Milhaud Professor **************************************************************************** ** We're looking for adventurous women . . . Whether you're classically trained, improvisor, DJ, or experimentalist whether you're interested in acoustic or electronic music whether you have a strong vision or are unsure of which road to take the world-renowned Music Department at Mills could be the place for you! *small classes *a supportive and friendly atmosphere *space to imagine and create *the skills you need to realize your ideas *your questions about music technology treated with respect - and answered *a wide range of interdisciplinary activities (dance, art, digital arts, theater, video) Mills College is situated in one of the most vibrant and creative areas in the United States, within easy reach of Oakland, Berkeley, and San Francisco. Mills Music Faculty includes composer/audio engineer Maggi Payne, and pioneering composer and visionary Pauline Oliveros, as well as distinguished composer/improvisers Chris Brown, Alvin Curran, and Fred Frith, and noted scholars Michelle Fillion and David Bernstein. The instrumental teaching faculty includes some of the finest musicians in the Bay Area (such as the Abel-Steinberg-Winant Trio), and our concert series presents cutting-edge performers from all over the world (recent visitors include AMM, Anne Bourne, Abbie Conant, Lesli Dalaba, Douglas Ewart, Amy Denio, Jos@ Maceda, Ikue Mori, Ursula Oppens, Jim OÆRourke, Zeena Parkins, Aki Takahashi, & Richard Teitelbaum) Some of the great composers and performers whose work was presented at Mills: Maryanne Amacher, Beth Anderson, Laurie Anderson, Blectum from Blechdom, Krys Bobrowski, Barbara Golden, Janice Giteck, Susie Ibarra, Jin Hi Kim, Jill Kroesen, Annea Lockwood, Frankie Mann, Miya Masaoka, Amy X Neuburg, Jeanne Parson, Eliane Radigue, Wendy Reid, Peggy Seeger, Laetitia Sonami, and Hildegard Westerkamp. WE SAY YES - the freedom to explore and experiment, the freedom to find your own voice,the freedom to be yourself............... Financial assistance is available. For further information, please call the Office of Graduate Studies, the 510-430-3309, fax 510-430-2159 or e-mail grad-studies@mills.edu or check out the Mills College website: www.mills.edu David Bernstein Associate Professor of Music and Head of the Music Department Mills College, Oakland CA 94613 510-430-2025 (phone) 510-430-3228 (fax) For further information, please call................fax.............or e-mail...................... Pauline Oliveros (510)636-7815 156 Hunter St. Kingston NY 12401 (845)331-6624FAX http://www.deeplistening.org/pauline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 13:59:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10454; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c063a4$8ff5a240$7ab06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> <000701c06395$adaac220$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> <06f901c0639c$70e15f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:59:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <7I8c1B.A.JiC.5LSN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice! Gareth > > Which reminds me Dennis - any sign of your looping patches? > > Yes! I'm getting much closer to a beta! I have one more microSound to > write (hopefully this next week, but it might take two) and update my > documentation. Then I need a way to distribute without sending the source > code; SymbSound is working on this issue. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 14:08:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11001; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:06:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:06:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001211190500.13903.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Becker Subject: Please take me off the list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And if this isn't the way to be removed from the loopers list, would someone please tell me how to get my name removed? Thanks, Chris Becker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:12:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15043; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:09:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:09:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A347C54.2CD6@hevanet.com.> References: <20001201204438.9300.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> <3A347C54.2CD6@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:59:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Roland VS880 Scrubbing question! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Y'know I mentioned a 4-track recorder a while back...well now I have a >VS-840! I picked it up used for $525 (I haven't really checked, but it >seemed a pretty good deal...). I'm really enjoying it. > > >I am getting the hang of it pretty well, but "SCRUBBING" confuses me, >and I think it's going to be very essential! Can you give me kind of a >basic idea of how to do it? (I've got the manual, and will read, read, >read it more, but scrubbing doesn't just jump out at me for clarity). I would be curious to know if the VS840 even 'scrubs' at all. Does anybody know if the 840, 880, 1680 or 1880 have scrubbing as a feature? I was under the assumption that they did not. That you had to locate points (on the 880/1680 at least) by looking at the waveform on the display. If anybody knows (for sure), please post or email me privately. This feature is one of the important ones for me and will guide my decision to purchase either the Roland, or the Akai 16 track, or the Yamaha 4416 sometime next year. or, god knows what they'll release within 9-12 months. A 48 track? that makes cappucino? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:22:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15372; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:21:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c063ae$e2edf9c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20479-3A313FA1-319@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thankyou for the in-depth advice! What reel-to-reel models would you > recommend? The reason I'm asking is that my Akai doesn't work properly, >. . . I used to use a 4-track machine. I think it was either a Teac 2340 or Teac 3340. I see one of each on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201286271 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=520944035 I had a lot of fun with this machine. Real tape is cool! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:26:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15536; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:23:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:23:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:27:05 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <062001c063b0$ba42d570$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> <000701c06395$adaac220$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> <06f901c0639c$70e15f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <000801c063a4$8ff5a240$7ab06fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <8LQba.A.VxD.QeTN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for all the replies, everyone. i have decided to make the plunge. should have a basic system in my grubby, little hands next week. ok, their really pretty big hands. and not so grubby, really... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:32:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15956; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:28:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:28:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c063af$de30f170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20001211190500.13903.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Please take me off the list Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:20:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris, you are so polite! Read the following from the LD website: ================================================= I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. ================================================= Now, I see from your message that you have a sig file, or maybe it's added automatically by Yahoo. So you'll have to fix that, or bribe Kim. Good luck and thanks for visiting with us! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Becker" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:05 PM Subject: Please take me off the list > And if this isn't the way to be removed from the > loopers list, would someone please tell me how to get > my name removed? > > Thanks, > > Chris Becker > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 15:45:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16831; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:35:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? haha! like this one. i have a spoken word tape of WS Burroughs where he says "this universe is a ball of grease being flicked off the giant's finger, and it's on its way to the floor"... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 16:06:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17525; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:03:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001211210207.6015.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT:Re: Roland VS880 Scrubbing question! To: davauk@hevanet.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, rich@nuvisionsca.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich, Dave, all, Yes the VS880 scrubs. I'm sure the vs1680, and 1880 will scrub. I don't know about the 840, but my guess is that it does, too. First, let's be sure we are talking about the same feature. The vs880 has a button called scrub. When this feature is on, you can hear a small segment (a few ms.) of a single track played repeatedly (hence the name scrub). The shuttle wheel allows you to move through time, down to a frame at a time, to select where on that track you hear the scrub. This allows you to visually and audibly find an exact point on that track, like when a note begins or ends, that can be used as a precise edit point. There is a system parameter that allows you to choose how many milliseconds long is the scrub (how much of the track is playback looped during scrub). As you hear the scrub, you will see an amplitude over time graph of the track's signal displayed on the screen. A vertical line on the screen indicates the point in time where you begin the scrub. You must have a track recorded first before you can scrub it (duh). To invoke scrub, the machine must be stopped (no playback), and you should position the track near the area to scrub. Press the scrub button (scrub light comes on), and choose the channel to scrub by pressing the 'channel edit' button for that prerecorded track. You can now move through time on that track by turning the shuttle wheel. In Scrub, you will only hear one track at a time, and you will hear that track panned just like it is panned in your normal playback mix. The track fader, and master fader will affect the scrub volume. The track to be scrubbed must be in the 'play' mode (green light) in order to hear the scrub. While in scrub (the scrub light is on) you can select to scrub any of the the tracks (with the 'channel edit' button) that are in 'play mode' (green) and that have material recorded already. Scrub is musch easier to use than to describe. It is very easy to get precise edits using scrub. Let me know if you need further help, offline. All of the music on our mp3 pages were recorded on the VS-880, and scrub was essential to creating tight edits. http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/BrotherSync/ http://www.mp3.com/brothersync bret --- rich wrote: > >Y'know I mentioned a 4-track recorder a while back...well now I have > a > >VS-840! I picked it up used for $525 (I haven't really checked, but > it > >seemed a pretty good deal...). I'm really enjoying it. > > > > > >I am getting the hang of it pretty well, but "SCRUBBING" confuses > me, > >and I think it's going to be very essential! Can you give me kind > of a > >basic idea of how to do it? (I've got the manual, and will read, > read, > >read it more, but scrubbing doesn't just jump out at me for > clarity). > > > I would be curious to know if the VS840 even 'scrubs' at all. Does > anybody know if the 840, 880, 1680 or 1880 have scrubbing as a > feature? I was under the assumption that they did not. That you had > > to locate points (on the 880/1680 at least) by looking at the > waveform on the display. > > If anybody knows (for sure), please post or email me privately. This > > feature is one of the important ones for me and will guide my > decision to purchase either the Roland, or the Akai 16 track, or the > Yamaha 4416 sometime next year. > > or, god knows what they'll release within 9-12 months. A 48 track? > that makes cappucino? > > best, > > rich > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 16:16:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17796; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:13:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:17:43 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <065301c063b7$cd2e4320$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ooohhhh... i hope you have sampled that... uncle willy has such a cool voice. i think i'll go listen to spare ass annie what happens when it hits the floor? maybe the floor is a big drum... > >is THAT why the universe is drooling out of one side of it's mouth? > > > haha! like this one. i have a spoken word tape of WS Burroughs > where he says "this universe is a ball of grease being flicked off > the giant's finger, and it's on its way to the floor"... > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19671; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:38:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:38:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A355752.6D55DB0@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:38:11 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "digitalhell@resrocket.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: More and MORE list member's music reviewed! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING Cross posted. Reply directly to Legion@voicenet.com This month my Left of the Dials column on www.creativesynth.com features some great music by our very own Skoop as well as some WRONG modular madness by atlatl, the first Outer Space alliance CD, and a review of the latest CT collective CD, Bluezette, chock full of looping goodness. http://creativesynth.com/Columns/007_LeftDial/LeftDial_current.html I try and review all styles on underground/electronic based music so if you've got a CD, tape, streaming radio program, etc and want some press send me an email or pop off a CD, etc plus short bio with ordering info. Unfortunately my online connection is Sloooow so if you have MP3s I can only listen to them if you burn 'em to a Cd or make a tape and send it in. Mail yr stuff to: Help Wanted Productions PO BOX 2205 Phila, Pa. 19103 I can't promise I'll review everything sent but I listen to it all and try and put together the best mix of styles each month. I never do one thing (ie: it's not all techno or noise or industrial or whatever) so the column reflects a number of genres every issue. Comments, etc. more than welcome and enjoy the stuff up there now and check the archives (link at the bottom of each month's column) for some great stuff by other list members and international musicians you haven't heard of but probably want to know about. __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 17:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19905; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:49:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001211175136.007ce680@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:51:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain In-Reply-To: <065301c063b7$cd2e4320$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:17 PM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote: >what happens when it hits the floor? According to Burroughs (who attributes the quote to an "all-purpose bedtime story" told by Brion Gyson) when the grease hits the floor, it goes SPLAT! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:01:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20364; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:59:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:59:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A355DC6.33E@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:05:42 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Re: Roland VS880 Scrubbing question! References: <20001211210207.6015.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret wrote: > Rich, Dave, all, > Yes the VS880 scrubs. I'm sure the vs1680, and 1880 will scrub. I > don't know about the 840, but my guess is that it does, too. > VS-840's a scrubber. I'll use what's in the manual AND your notes! Thanks, Bret! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20609; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:06:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001211180821.007e8af0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:08:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: More and MORE list member's music reviewed! In-Reply-To: <3A355752.6D55DB0@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4YSvB.A.tBF.x2VN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL! In the review, he calls my track "polished"... That's funny! (It's all first-take bass overdubs with no clean-up, but I liked the vibe...) :-) Thanks for the review! It's actually not the LATEST CT-Project release, though; we've been busy! If anyone's interested, you can check out the other stuff we've been up to at , and there's more on the way soon! Tim At 05:38 PM 12/11/00 -0500, Legion wrote: >This month my Left of the Dials column on www.creativesynth.com features >...a review of the latest CT collective CD, Bluezette, chock full of looping >goodness. >http://creativesynth.com/Columns/007_LeftDial/LeftDial_current.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:27:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21212; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:25:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:25:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001207205024.007d0970@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7uyZZB.A.JLF.TIWN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mmmmmmm, splicing 1/8" tape. after that you can try your hand at violin repair! rgrds a:c On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Tim Nelson wrote: > At 04:49 PM 12/7/00 -0800, Hans wrote: > >...Then I used one of the little pieces > >of silver tape that comes with the reel to join the ends after I butted them > >together. I used scotch tape after I ran out of the silver stuff, and it > >worked great. > > You can get *real* audio splicing tape at Radio Shack, 1/2" x 100" for > $1.99 (pn 44-1127)... > > (Scotch tape tends to ooze sticky gummy gooey stuff sometimes, and your > heads won't like that even a little bit. And that silver stuff is used to > trigger the auto-reverse sensor on some 1/4 track open reels.) > > They also have a simple editing block for $3.99 (pn 44-224); nothing fancy > or precise, but it works. It has tracks for both 1/4" and 1/8" tape. > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 18:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21774; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:45:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <20479-3A313FA1-319@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think a lot of you have already weiged in on this one, but... On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 Bowerbird@webtv.net wrote: > Thankyou for the in-depth advice! What reel-to-reel models would you > recommend? The reason I'm asking is that my Akai doesn't work properly, > and I'll probably be buying a r-to-r through the recycler, so I'll have > to know if it's an acceptable model before I drive out to > who-knows-where to buy it. I've heard Revox is my best bet. ReVox good. studer VERY good teac/tascam fine ampex, nice as well otari also nice dokoder ok, but parts sort of hard to find like i said before, any machine's fine as long as you can move the tape over the heads manually with the machine stopped - not every deck'll do that. > About that "china marker", is there a place to buy those, or is it just any old > peice of wax? a good art supply store will have em, check pearl paint or someplace like that. it is not just a piece of wax, it's a like a grease pencil thing. Just one more thing.... since different loops are > different lengths, is there some kind of device for keeping the tape > tight aroud the reels? Is this what's refered to as a "loop arm"? well - the tape isn't really going to be around the reels, only ONE reel. i guess if you're running a very _short_ loop it could be a reel's-width span, but anything longer than that is going to require something "out there" to run the tape around. that's basically yours to experiment with. it's not uncommon to see a mic stand pressed into service as a remote-hub sort of thing. because it is difficult to keep tension even across the unit your deck will experience the additional stresses i mentioned in my earlier rant. me, i'd use actual, real splicing tape, as opposed to gaffers tape, velcro, masking tape, what have you. rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 19:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22300; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:01:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:01:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:10:51 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06c301c063c7$9cfa8780$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> <3.0.5.32.20001211175136.007ce680@pop.ici.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <0R6gO.A.MbF.8oWN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow... dt, is this the true source of SPLaTTeRCeLL? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain > At 03:17 PM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote: > >what happens when it hits the floor? > > According to Burroughs (who attributes the quote to an "all-purpose bedtime > story" told by Brion Gyson) when the grease hits the floor, it goes SPLAT! > > -t > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 21:36:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24916; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:32:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:32:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32.dbceba9.2766e7c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:30:25 EST Subject: magnavox vs. mackie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well i made the BIG plunge and i must tell you that the mackie powered monitors with the 1202-VLZ pro mixer sounds a whole bunch better than my 20 year old stereo with mis-matched speakers..........what a delight.........i might also mention that i got them through sweetwater music with absolutly no problems (nice professional people).........now i have no excuse not to play out, all i must fear is fear itself......so if anyone wants to move to pittsburgh and join my big band (me) please do...........:).............oh happy day!...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 23:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26753; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:44:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c063f6$1737a040$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <32.dbceba9.2766e7c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: magnavox vs. mackie Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:43:33 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny what a Mackie 1202VLZ will do for that. Now the only excuse I've got is, HEY, no excuse besides not having a car here in London! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 12 December 2000 02:30 AM Subject: magnavox vs. mackie > well i made the BIG plunge and i must tell you that the mackie powered > monitors with the 1202-VLZ pro mixer sounds a whole bunch better than my 20 > year old stereo with mis-matched speakers..........what a delight.........i > might also mention that i got them through sweetwater music with absolutly no > problems (nice professional people).........now i have no excuse not to play > out, all i must fear is fear itself......so if anyone wants to move to > pittsburgh and join my big band (me) please do...........:).............oh > happy day!...........michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 11 23:51:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26867; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:50:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:50:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQEUSjxKvhHv3P8Azcvw2hNuVzkDQIVAMbwzBmI/wFguvalYTvzqyUBaCMW Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:48:54 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <26464-3A35AE36-2284@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dennis Leas" 's message of Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:13:53 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, This is a pretty obscure question ...... Anyone know if the Teac 2340 allows you to "cue'/move the reels by hand while in pause mode? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 01:20:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28697; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A356E95.D5C52E72@gis.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:18:02 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: boomerang power supply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Boomerang power supply quit on me recently, and since I've received no reply from Mike Nelson, I'm wondering if anyone here knows of a source for an AC adapter that puts out 9 volts AC (not DC), 300-500 ma (power supply says 500 ma, unit says 300 ma). Ideally with the same size barrel as the rang, and hopefully reasonably priced. Any help much appreciated. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 09:42:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02501; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:39:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c06448$44ce0830$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <26464-3A35AE36-2284@storefull-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:31:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <677EGC.A.sm.VhjN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone know if the Teac 2340 allows you to "cue'/move the reels by hand > while in pause mode? DISCLAIMER: My memory is somewhat vague but I'll try to recall. I'm not sure if I used a 2340 or a 3340, but I think the transport was identical (the 3340 accepted larger reels). And I'm not sure of the details though I remember the PAUSE button quite well. Given that, "Yes". I used to cue the beastie all the time. I recall the cue worked in both PLAYBACK and SIMUL-SYNC modes. The SIMUL-SYNC mode used the record heads as playback heads so you could record in sync with the playback sound. It had a cue lever that (among other functions) disabled the tape lifters so the tape was always in contact with the heads. Thus you could hear the tape even in FF or REWIND. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 10:40:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03505; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing In-Reply-To: <006501c06448$44ce0830$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, the cue lever is the magic item. plus, the unbridled joy of looping in FOUR tracks should keep anyone happy for a long time. On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dennis Leas wrote: > > Anyone know if the Teac 2340 allows you to "cue'/move the reels by hand > > while in pause mode? > > DISCLAIMER: My memory is somewhat vague but I'll try to recall. I'm not > sure if I used a 2340 or a 3340, but I think the transport was identical > (the 3340 accepted larger reels). And I'm not sure of the details though I > remember the PAUSE button quite well. > > Given that, "Yes". I used to cue the beastie all the time. I recall the > cue worked in both PLAYBACK and SIMUL-SYNC modes. The SIMUL-SYNC mode used > the record heads as playback heads so you could record in sync with the > playback sound. It had a cue lever that (among other functions) disabled > the tape lifters so the tape was always in contact with the heads. Thus you > could hear the tape even in FF or REWIND. > > Hope this helps. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 11:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04437; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:09:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:09:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <94.d638188.2767a6e7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:05:59 EST Subject: Re: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >wow... >dt, is this the true source of SPLaTTeRCeLL? inna word: hmmmmm. best, dt >> >what happens when it hits the floor? >> According to Burroughs (who attributes the quote to an "all-purpose bedtime >> story" told by Brion Gyson) when the grease hits the floor, it goes SPLAT! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 12:55:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06465; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:45 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: magnavox vs. mackie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA06409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, I hope Sweatwater gave you a good price, I noticed they run much higher then say.... 8th street. >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 12/11 6:31 PM >>> well i made the BIG plunge and i must tell you that the mackie powered monitors with the 1202-VLZ pro mixer sounds a whole bunch better than my 20 year old stereo with mis-matched speakers..........what a delight.........i might also mention that i got them through sweetwater music with absolutly no problems (nice professional people).........now i have no excuse not to play out, all i must fear is fear itself......so if anyone wants to move to pittsburgh and join my big band (me) please do...........:).............oh happy day!...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 13:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07232; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:02:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:02:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.e64c731.2767c1c9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:00:41 EST Subject: Re: Loops & Feedback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <70ZdcC.A.iwB.2fmN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why not reverse your patching? Let the original signal be the carrier and > the delay signal be the one modulated. Add some dry direct signal to the > output. I wish I had a RM to try this with... This wouldn't work either though ............Think about it. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 13:27:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07658; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Loops & Feedback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:21:30 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/12/2000 12:21:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suppose I wasn't clear. In reversing the patching, reverse all of it, putting the RM behind the delay. Dry signal as carrier, delay as modulated. I guess that really only gets you a modulated delay signal, but it is modulated by its former self, hence helping to rule the universe, which was the stated objective. SoundFNR@aol. com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 12/12/00 Subject: Re: Loops & Feedback 12:00 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht > Why not reverse your patching? Let the original signal be the carrier and > the delay signal be the one modulated. Add some dry direct signal to the > output. I wish I had a RM to try this with... This wouldn't work either though ............Think about it. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 13:36:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07909; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:35:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:35:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001212183416.2308.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: boomerang power supply To: paulsull@gis.net, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not sure where in the world you live, but Radio Shack sells a 9v ac adapter, I believe. You may need to replace the barrel plug, but they stock most sizes. bret --- Paul Sullivan wrote: > My Boomerang power supply quit on me recently, and since I've > received > no reply from Mike Nelson, I'm wondering if anyone here knows of a > source for an AC adapter that puts out 9 volts AC (not DC), 300-500 > ma > (power supply says 500 ma, unit says 300 ma). Ideally with the same > size > barrel as the rang, and hopefully reasonably priced. Any help much > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Paul > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 14:49:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10342; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:20:13 +0200 From: David Subject: Re: Women who loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c06473$c3b96e20$c4c907c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200012100148.UAA12409@user1.channel1.com> <02cc01c062d4$b1735b90$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, now i see what the deal is . Sorry, too much mail. Unscribe me now please. thank you meneer dawie ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Women who loop > > Then there are the days when I thibk I only have 32 seconds of memory. > > > > Frank Gerace > > Dreamchild > > if you were an edp you could upgrade... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 16:24:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13806; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:23:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:23:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C28DD@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: passport review Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:51:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does any of you have testing experience with the fender passport 250 pa? i'm wondering how durable it is and also any comments you might have on this system. thanks! jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 17:50:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16065; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:48:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: paulsull@gis.net, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: boomerang power supply In-Reply-To: <20001212183416.2308.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Bret wrote: > Not sure where in the world you live, but Radio Shack sells a 9v ac > adapter, I believe. You may need to replace the barrel plug, but they > stock most sizes. > bret but look again CAREFULLY!!!! the boomerang power supply does NOT convert AC -> DC... it's ac in/ ac out!! you won't be finding that puppy at radio shack any time soon! and fried boomerang just doesn't taste very good... rbrt > --- Paul Sullivan wrote: > > My Boomerang power supply quit on me recently, and since I've > > received > > no reply from Mike Nelson, I'm wondering if anyone here knows of a > > source for an AC adapter that puts out 9 volts AC (not DC), 300-500 > > ma > > (power supply says 500 ma, unit says 300 ma). Ideally with the same > > size > > barrel as the rang, and hopefully reasonably priced. Any help much > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 18:19:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17050; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:18:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:10:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: boomerang power supply Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forgive my ignorance on the electricity specifications. What happens if you use a power supply that lists MORE than your unit needs? Does that mean that your unit might fry, or does it just use what it needs? The reason i ask is that the Line 6 power supplies, that power the POD's, and the DL4 and their other stomp boxes, is an 9v AC supply, if i'm not mistaken. However, if i remember correctly...it's 1200ma. I'll double check tonight. The L6 power supply goes for about 20 bucks, i think, and they are available at most Guitar Centers. rich >On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Bret wrote: > >> Not sure where in the world you live, but Radio Shack sells a 9v ac >> adapter, I believe. You may need to replace the barrel plug, but they >> stock most sizes. >> bret > > >but look again CAREFULLY!!!! the boomerang power supply does >NOT convert AC -> DC... it's ac in/ ac out!! you won't be finding >that puppy at radio shack any time soon! > > >and fried boomerang just doesn't taste very good... > > >rbrt > >> --- Paul Sullivan wrote: >> > My Boomerang power supply quit on me recently, and since I've >> > received >> > no reply from Mike Nelson, I'm wondering if anyone here knows of a >> > source for an AC adapter that puts out 9 volts AC (not DC), 300-500 >> > ma >> > (power supply says 500 ma, unit says 300 ma). Ideally with the same >> > size >> > barrel as the rang, and hopefully reasonably priced. Any help much >> > appreciated. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Paul >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >> http://shopping.yahoo.com/ >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 18:33:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17345; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:32:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E7B@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:18:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:12 PM > > I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice > mood... Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act > like you're in your living room. (Of course your living room > may be bristling with hi-tech gear, but hey... it'll blend > with the homey atmosphere plus you'll have some nice tea to > sooth your jangled nerves.) I've actually done something along these lines. Earlier this year I did a solo performance as part of a now deceased improviser's series. The furniture was more vintage than antique, both dating from about the thirties or forties, and included a small armchair (that, nonetheless, weighed a ton!), a large-ish table lamp, and an old console radio/phono (78 r.p.m.!) that I used as an amplifier - the turntable connected to the amp with a phono plug, so I just ran everything through a mixer and into that. Naturally it was all in mono. Not really any looping, unless you include an analogue delay in that category, but I was hoping that the cracked copy of Elvis' "Love Me Tender" would skip, providing a sort of loop (but of course it didn't). It wasn't a totally original idea, though. I was inspired by the photo inside Henry Cow's "Concerts" LP. I really enjoyed the experience, and would recommend trying it if you want something different. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 18:51:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17771; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c06496$3fa4a280$6882353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Cc: "loopers delight" Subject: Re: boomerang power supply Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:49:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All Electronics 1800-826-5432 ask for model # actx-945 9 VAC rated at 450 mA price is a measly $2.50 US plus UPS gas money All of you listers hould call this # and ask for a catalog- tons of parts and cool stuff to take apart and use in your looping, I especially like the digital chip toys that can be circuit-bent to produce some cool noise. busyditch-back to the shadows..... -----Original Message----- From: Paul Sullivan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:20 AM Subject: boomerang power supply >My Boomerang power supply quit on me recently, and since I've received >no reply from Mike Nelson, I'm wondering if anyone here knows of a >source for an AC adapter that puts out 9 volts AC (not DC), 300-500 ma >(power supply says 500 ma, unit says 300 ma). Ideally with the same size >barrel as the rang, and hopefully reasonably priced. Any help much >appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 18:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17776; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:48:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA17741 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] >> I think antique furniture and tea cosies set a very nice mood... Just come out, sit down in an easy chair, and act like you're in your living room. (Of course your living room may be bristling with hi-tech gear, but hey... it'll blend with the homey atmosphere plus you'll have some nice tea to sooth your jangled nerves.) > I've actually done something along these lines. Earlier this year I did a solo performance as part of a now deceased improviser's series. The furniture was more vintage than antique, both dating from about the thirties or forties, and included a small armchair (that, nonetheless, weighed a ton!), a large-ish table lamp, and an old console radio/phono (78 r.p.m.!) that I used as an amplifier - the turntable connected to the amp with a phono plug, so I just ran everything through a mixer and into that. Naturally it was all in mono. Not really any looping, unless you include an analogue delay in that category, but I was hoping that the cracked copy of Elvis' "Love Me Tender" would skip, providing a sort of loop (but of course it didn't). Actually playing through antique/vintage stuff may be taking it a bit too far! 8-) I've often thought that motorcycle helmets... the completely enclosed kind... combined with a pair of in-ear-monitors and a mic built into the mouth area might provide a nicely anonymous persona as well as lend itself to the metaphor of modern disenfranchisement... a distopian sort of thing. > It wasn't a totally original idea, though. I was inspired by the photo inside Henry Cow's "Concerts" LP. I really enjoyed the experience, and would recommend trying it if you want something different. Jim Bailey Well... there ya go! My referential port of entry as well... The Cow has left many indelible marks on my person. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 18:52:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17770; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:50:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001212185217.007dc660@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:52:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: boomerang power supply In-Reply-To: References: <20001212183416.2308.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:45 PM 12/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >> Not sure where in the world you live, but Radio Shack sells a 9v ac >> adapter, I believe. You may need to replace the barrel plug, but they >> stock most sizes. >but look again CAREFULLY!!!! the boomerang power supply does >NOT convert AC -> DC... it's ac in/ ac out!! you won't be finding >that puppy at radio shack any time soon! Yeah, they have a couple of 'em. The more powerful one is Cat.# RSU 11918059... I'm not sure the plug tip is compatible, but it's a 9 VAC output, 3400 mA with an 'M' plug tip (O.D. 5.5mm, I.D. 2.1 mm) for $27.99. You'd probably have to order it, though; I don't believe it's a regularly-stocked item. There's also an 800 mA one with 4 selectable AC outs (9, 10.2, 12 and/or 13 VAC) for $12.99, Cat# 273-1631, same size tip. I'm not sure what the 'Rang's current demand is; 800 mA might not be enough. You still may want to check first with Mikel Nelson to see if either of these would fry anything, though. Tim (no relation to Mikel, nor to Radio Shack, although I still had their catalog on my desk from the splicing tape thread!) ps: If Angus Young plugged his SG into a 'Rang, would they have to re-name the band AC/AC? Boooooo.... Sorry..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 19:14:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18878; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:12:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:12:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A356E07.F58BDF3A@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:15:03 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To the extended community at LoopersDelight: I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city that he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him in reply (which also generously shared contact and club information in his city): He wrote: "........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's about fifty musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations and attend each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no audience beyond that........ .I'm not really interested in setting up a mini-festival. I dealt with that .....where I used to live and it was a massive pain in the ass for very little return. The public doesn't really care how you make interesting sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable such as the Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......." I've heard this sentiment echoed frequently in the larger looping community and this is what I wrote in reply: I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is virtually the same here. We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. To be frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about the quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that undervalues their unique contributions (a nurturance that I wasn't lucky enough to have growing up.....although my parents are pretty hip and supportive now). Because of the festivals that I put on (and had considerable help with, I must say), 35 artists performed and 28 of them had never performed in public or never even considered that anyone would want to hear what they were doing in a live context. I am proud to say, a year and a half later, that there are now 8-10 really serious electronica/looping musicians in this area who are putting out sophisticated recordings/interacting with each other and doing live gigs and dozens more who are trying to get started. There was NO scene two years ago. Hell, I only started these modest little shows because I was lonely and a totally turned on/newbie/fanatic for electronic/looping music and wanted a little community of people to talk to and gig with. Consequently, as well, the local music stores are starting to carry a lot hipper gear than they used to and young musicians are starting to get into this field much at a much younger age than their older counterparts. Electronic influences are noticeably seeping into traditional Celtic shows/Local cable access television/local commercials/folk recordings, etc. Now, granted, a lot of this just reflects what has been happening in the maintstream culture as well, but believe me, not much of it had reached sleepy Santa Cruz two years ago (with the exception of DJ/Rave culture and even that was fairly tame). My point is that community and energy are more powerful, culturally speaking than pure monetarily driven commercialism. I've been involved, since it's inception 22 years ago, with the so called 'world beat' movement. No band has EVER been commercially successful in the genre (or at least not mega successful). It doesn't matter. We changed the face of music in this country with our efforts. You cannot see a movie without hearing an ethnic fusionist aesthetic at work; almost every current pop record has influences of world music in them. I've been fortunate enough to tour the world, make records with incredible musicians and make my living because of that 'non-commercial' movement. At the heighth of the San Francisco sound in the late sixties when the Jefferson Airplane were on the cover of LIFE magazine (signalling, at that time, the 'arrival' of a new culture) there were only about 15 bands in San Francisco that were playing the Fillmore Auditorium and the Avalon Ballroom on a rotating nightly basis......all communally oriented; all sharing and rotating their billing status from night to night. The average attendance at those venues was only somewhere between 125-250 people a night. My point? Energy, Community and Creativity is what changes our culture for the better. Somebody once said that artists are the antennae of a culture, picking up and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep over the culture. I agree. This is why I am interested in promoting Looping Culture as such: not for the money (I made none doing these shows) but because now we have a more creative/fired up community in Santa Cruz. Interestingly enough, several of us have been getting local paying gigs and lucrative corporate gigs (because the entertainment companies that book the lavish corporate parties as tax writeoffs are sick to death of 70's cover bands and are looking for something new and refreshing: that's us!). What I have found, in my admittedly limited 'newbie' concious, is that creating a 'festival' kicks up interest in the community, excites the press and radio people who are bored with 'music as usual', and creates a specifically community oriented atmosphere which is nurturing to future musical developements. By having three (or more) artist on a bill you will insure that you will not make money but you will be able to 'sell' the idea of the event to the community at large. With such a concept you can sometimes talk a local church or community center into hosting the event for free or for a much lower rental fee. You can pool your respective P.A. equipment to save costs. You can approach local music stores/radio stations and even corporations for sponsorship to allay costs. In general, you can create a scene, cause a commotion, make a 'mess' of 'life as usual'. It's hard work and there are very few economic rewards but you would be suprised at the ripple effect it can have. I say: 'Go for it!' Thanks for hearing my 'rant'. yours, in creativity and looping, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 19:34:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19421; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:33:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:33:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001212193512.007df510@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:35:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: The Curse of Knob-Twiddling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4Uy07D.A.CvE.OOsN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:48 PM 12/12/00 -0800, Miko Biffle wrote: >I've often thought that motorcycle helmets... the completely enclosed kind... >combined with a pair of in-ear-monitors and a mic built into the mouth area >might provide a nicely anonymous persona as well as lend itself to the metaphor >of modern disenfranchisement... a distopian sort of thing. The drummer in one of my old bands had a hot-pink motorcycle helmet... the NON-completely enclosed kind... that had a red revolving safety light (like the kind on a fire truck) bolted to the top. The light looked great shining through the fog machine we used our closing number called "World War Four", however the whole thing was so heavy he could only wear it for one tune! (It also had an extension cord trailing behind it...) Oh, those early 90's... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 19:41:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19584; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:39:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:35:52 -0600 Subject: Re: passport review From: keith rowley-yugen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C28DD@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9qU1AC.A.VxE.BTsN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got the 250 for my coffee shop. It's pretty cool. I've got the system EQ cranked a bit toward the mid-high end-- flat EQ'ed sounds a little boxy. As far as durability, not sure. It's a house PA & doesn't get moved much. But i _did_ drop one of the speakers accidentally once and it didn't seem to hurt it any... Keith > From: Jimmy George > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:51:21 -0600 > To: > "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > Subject: passport review > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:24:29 -0500 > > does any of you have testing experience with the fender passport 250 pa? i'm > wondering how durable it is and also any comments you might have on this > system. > > thanks! > jimmy george > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 19:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19650; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:41:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:41:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:38:42 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA19590 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker wrote... > I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city that he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him in reply (which also generously shared contact and club information in his city): >> He wrote: >> "........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's about fifty musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations and attend each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no audience beyond that......... I'm not really interested in setting up a mini-festival. I dealt with that ..... where I used to live and it was a massive pain in the ass for very little return. The public doesn't really care how you make interesting sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable such as the Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......." To which Rick replied... > I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is virtually the same here. We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. To be frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about the quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that undervalues their unique contributions... snip... > My point is that community and energy are more powerful, culturally speaking than pure monetarily driven commercialism... snip... > My point? Energy, Community and Creativity is what changes our culture for the better. I've gotta jump in here as well... Regardless of audience demographics, I've found that meeting other musicians and creating community is really what drives MY playing and motivates me. Dialog with your peers really brings a sense of shared effort and minimizes the feeling of lonliness pervasive in "unpop" culture. Many of us are lucky enough to be playing semi-normal sounding music which somehow fits into an existing scene. What about those really wanting to experiment? Push limits? Our audience is first and foremost our peers... other players out there trying to have dialog with each other and learn from each other. This same problem exists in radical free-improv music... the so called "creative" music scene really has an intense, thriving worldwide community.. certainly with a small devout audience... but more certainly fueled by a commitment among the players to follow the creative impulse honestly **where ever** it arises regardless of current trends and audience demographics... It's been discussed to death recently over at the BA-NEWMUS list, and it's apparent that REALLY going for it and doing whatever you really feel like, is never going to appeal to large masses... It's too damned unpredictable... but it sure is HONEST and because of that it gains a fanatically loyal commitment by a core group of artists, and an ever growing group of listeners. What's so awful about that? I'm proud to be "unpop"! Rick... > Somebody once said that artists are the antennae of a culture, picking up and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep over the culture. I agree. I've heard this said too... Thanks for reminding me of this Rick... I completely agree also. Working together NOW... talking... playing... experimenting... learning... All of this will inform our collective growth and make for a meaningful dialog which will MAKE SENSE, in some way to listeners. We'll ultimately be connected and not lonely anymore... or maybe we'll all be lonley together? I can live with that! 8-) Anyway... I'm off MY soap box now as well... Best, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 12 19:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20184; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:53:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001213005159.25365.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: boomerang power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I wrote 9v ac, I meant 9v ac. That is 9v ac output. I have bought them from radio shack in the past with no problem. The fact that the boomerang uses ac input means that the boomerang rectifies and filters the ac to dc inside of the boomerang. Plugging 9v dc into a device that has rectifiers and filters on the power input will not do any harm. It may not work, but it will do no harm. bret --- "r. dennis" wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Bret wrote: > > > Not sure where in the world you live, but Radio Shack sells a 9v ac > > adapter, I believe. You may need to replace the barrel plug, but > they > > stock most sizes. > > bret > > > but look again CAREFULLY!!!! the boomerang power supply does > NOT convert AC -> DC... it's ac in/ ac out!! you won't be finding > that puppy at radio shack any time soon! > > > and fried boomerang just doesn't taste very good... > > > rbrt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 02:03:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28728; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:00:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:00:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyuJ2gWRhTxKppeAl7CmH0HsagTICFGSITLI/v7wzfivzvZv4mhaMOkx9 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:59:12 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape looping/sequencing Message-ID: <20467-3A371E40-7198@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "r. dennis" 's message of Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:34:34 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd just like to say thankyou to all the people who answered my tape questions, the number of responses and the quality of the advice was much more than I expected! Thanks everyone! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 02:45:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29194; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:43:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:43:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: CT Ambitative III: Six Spots Left Open Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1C5yK.A.zHH.khyN6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Looper Delighters: This is Javier from Berkeley. You must have already heard about the CT Collective, a group of Looper Delighters that started sharing original music with each other via CD compilations at the invitation of Michael Klobuchar back in early 1999, and that now have some MP3s at loopxchange.com. This is to invite six people who have never participated in a CT Collective project to be a part of a new one— the second on ambient music—that we are calling "CT Ambitative III." The previous collection, "CT Ambitative 1 and 2" has been recently finished and is now being distributed. Look soon for a notice about its availability. We have at present six slots remaining open to complete a roster of 20 musicians. These 20 people will contribute music to be spread out over a two-CD edition of this collection. The object of the project is for people who want to contribute and share some of their original ambient music for the others' enjoyment, to send one or several pieces that add up to the number of minutes allotted to each contributor. At this point, I would say the average time for 20 people over two CDs is around 7 minutes, give or take a few seconds for track pauses, folks who went over the limit, folks who didn't make the maximum, etc. As the instigator of this second ambient-music project, I have volunteered to collect and compile everybody's pieces, to create one master CD from which copies will be made for everyone involved, and to print the artwork that Lance Glover has volunteered to create for the CD package. It is strictly a not-for-profit endeavor between people who, like you, have an affinity and an inclination for creating ambient music; it's a way to become aware of others who might be in a place similar to us, and to establish a relationship with them that might be beneficial to our work. Also, as you might know, there is one CT Collectiver in San Francisco (Matt Davignon) who has volunteered to make extra copies of all the CT projects available for sale for the rest of the members of the CT Collective, and for those who in some way or another become interested and want to purchase a copy. The actual price is rather modest, and only reflects the cost of the materials used, as far as I know. If you would be interested in participating, please refer to the general guidelines below. If you join, you will become a member of one eGroup mailing list in which you participate in the conversation leading up to the production of your piece(s) and the final assembling of the collection. At this point, we are only filling six spots. When the sixth person has applied for that spot, all subsequent applications will be denied. By contributing your music to this project you are not giving up any of the copyright that belongs to you on your music. You are free to use your piece in whichever way you want. Following are the details on how to participate and what to expect. If you are unclear about any of these issues, and become a member of the CT Ambitative III, please ask your questions once you are a member of the eGroup. 1. This is the only notice of this project on Looper’s Delight that you will see. An additional notice will only notify you that the project is closed to new applicants. 2. Please subscribe to the "CT-Ambitative3" eGroup by sending an e-mail to this address: CT-Ambitative3-subscribe@egroups.com. There are only six slots open, and they will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. After these slots are filled, the project will be closed to new participants. I’ll let you know when this is. If you do not make it to "CT Ambitative III," be on the lookout for more CT Collective projects. 3. Your musical contribution must be original, especially made for this project between now and the date of the deadline, and must conform to the general notions of what ambient music is. Your musical contribution must also use some form of loop. This should go without saying, but let us be clear, eh? This is not OT. You will remain the owner of the copyright on your performance and on the sound recording. You will remain free to do whatever you like with your composition from then on. However, for the purposes of this CT Collective Project, there will be no basis to claim royalties or carry forth a copyright claim that is counter to the stated objectives of the project, namely, a low-cost way for members of a cybercommunity to hear each other's work in the manner that has been stated. 4. I, Javier Miranda, will do the music collecting, mastering, duping, assembling and mailing. I live in Berkeley, California. Contributors will send their musical piece to me. I will produce one master CD from which I will make one copy for each contributor. I will also print the artwork for this initial run of production. A dollar amount will be agreed upon based on the materials used in order to produce all these CDs. You will send this dollar amount to me prior to my shipping a copy of the work to you. 5. As with all CT Collective CDs, Matt Davignon of "Ribosome Music," in San Francisco, California, will distribute the CD to everybody else. 6. Most likely, MP3 files of this project will be available on none other than Mr. Morgan Hamilton Lang’s "LoopXchange" Web site, http://www.loopxchange.com. But this is not a promise. 7. I have good processing software, and I’ll be able to normalize your track so its amplitude will be in the same level as all other tracks for the CD. If it needs some noise reduction, I’ll work on that, but I’ll have you listen to it somehow before burning the final master. Last thing we need is some of your music missing because of noise reduction. If you don’t want any noise reduction, please say so. 8. You may send your tune to me via USPS on a CD in WAV format preferably, but I will be able to handle other computer sound formats, a regular audio CD, an audio cassette, etc. I can’t listen to MD discs or digital tape at this time. Please try not to send me an MP3 or a Real Audio file, as this is very low quality when compared to the WAV format. I will try my best to make this CD sound the best it can. I will return all materials you provide. I'll tell you later of my address where to send your contribution. 9. In two 70-minute CDs, 20 contributors each get roughly 7 minutes to allow for track pause and other inconveniences— and can use this time for one or several pieces of ambient music. But 7 minutes will be the limit for everybody. Tracks longer than 7 minutes I will edit at my discretion. Cram as many different sounds and textures as you can in there while at the same time making it sound bare and beautiful. 10. The deadline for submission will be Wednesday 15 March 2001. Any submission not in my hands by Wednesday afternoon when the Post Office closes (Pacific time), will not make the CD. Barring horrible delays in the delivery systems, medical emergencies, and other substantial reasons which will be considered with great kindness, no exceptions will be made. 11. Have fun! Thanks! Javier Miranda V. Berkeley, Calif. U.S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 09:40:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05054; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:32:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001213143038.20727.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Re: passport review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2AcIXB.A.jMB.Pg4N6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have Passport 150, a smaller version of 250. I haul it around quite a bit and it seems pretty durable. Its durability plus weight was the most important reason why I got it. petr@tryi.com ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 14:28:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14391; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:20:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:20:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B1566E67@msgatl06.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #400 - Headrush question Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:17:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got an Akai headrush, and I noticed something. I wonder if my unit is faulty or if they are all like this (I have no manual for it, BTW). I create a loop. WHen I play over it, the loop is at teh same volume so the two drown each other out to a certain extent. If I turn the level knob down, NOTHING happens until I get it to about 9 o'clock. Then I notice that the green looping LED blinks once, and the volume cuts down. Unfortuantely at this volume level (only slightly below the volume if I had the Level turned all the way up), when I solo over the rhythm, while I am hitting notes the lopp volum drops severely, and then cuts back in when I stop, just like a dynamic delay does. Can I cut the volume down w/o having it start acting like a dynamic delay? I tried starting the loop recording at different settings on the "Level" knob, but it makes no difference. Can I possibly replace that pot or what? Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 15:31:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15975; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.68.141.1] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:25:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 20:25:02.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[C59531F0:01C06542] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hi Rick,   I am definately interested in helping and performing in a looping event when ever I am needed.  I have been refining my act and getting it polished up.  

      I am doing a  few sets with the Mystic Family Circus in Feb. in San Diego.  There will be fire jugglers and dancers, ariel acrobats, you name it...Burning Man energy ....

                                                               Love to You,  Narendra AKA Papa Dave

good talking with you at the coffee shop.                  

 

 

 

>I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking

>him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city
>that he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him
>in reply (which also generously shared contact and club information in
>his city):
>
>He wrote:
>
>"........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's
>about fifty
>musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations and
>attend
>each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no
>audience
>beyond that........
> .I'm not really interested in setting up a mini-festival. I
>dealt with that
>.....where I used to live and it was a massive pain in the ass for
>very little return. The public doesn't really care how you make
>interesting
>sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable such as the
>
>Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......."
>
>I've heard this sentiment echoed frequently in the larger looping
>community and
>this is what I wrote in reply:
>
> I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is
>virtually the same here.
>We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. To be
>frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about the
>quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that
>undervalues their unique contributions (a nurturance that I wasn't lucky
>enough to have growing up.....although my parents are pretty
>hip and supportive now).
>
> Because of the festivals that I put on (and had considerable help
>with, I must say), 35 artists performed and 28 of them had never
>performed in public or never even considered that anyone would want to
>hear what they were doing in a live context. I am proud to say, a year
>and a half later, that there are now 8-10 really serious
>electronica/looping musicians in this area who are putting out
>sophisticated recordings/interacting with each other and doing live gigs
>and dozens more who are trying to get started. There was NO scene two
>years ago. Hell, I only started these modest little shows because I was
>lonely and a totally turned on/newbie/fanatic for electronic/looping
>music and wanted a little community of people to talk to and gig with.
>
> Consequently, as well, the local music stores are starting to carry
>a lot hipper gear than they used to and young musicians are starting to
>get into this field much at a much younger age than their older
>counterparts. Electronic influences are noticeably seeping into
>traditional Celtic shows/Local cable access television/local
>commercials/folk recordings, etc. Now, granted, a lot of this just
>reflects what has been happening in the maintstream culture as well, but
>believe me, not much of it had reached sleepy Santa Cruz two years ago
>(with the exception of DJ/Rave culture and even that was fairly tame).
>
> My point is that community and energy are more powerful, culturally
>speaking than pure monetarily driven commercialism. I've been involved,
>since it's inception 22 years ago, with the so called 'world beat'
>movement. No band has EVER been commercially successful
>in the genre (or at least not mega successful). It doesn't matter. We
>changed the face of music in this country with our efforts. You cannot
>see a movie without hearing an ethnic
>fusionist aesthetic at work; almost every current pop record has
>influences of world music
>in them. I've been fortunate enough to tour the world, make records
>with incredible musicians and make my living because of that
>'non-commercial' movement.
>
> At the heighth of the San Francisco sound in the late sixties when
>the Jefferson Airplane
>were on the cover of LIFE magazine (signalling, at that time, the
>'arrival' of a new culture)
>there were only about 15 bands in San Francisco that were playing the
>Fillmore Auditorium
>and the Avalon Ballroom on a rotating nightly basis......all communally
>oriented; all sharing and rotating their billing status from night to
>night. The average attendance at those venues was only somewhere
>between 125-250 people a night.
> My point? Energy, Community and Creativity is what changes
>our culture for the better. Somebody once said that artists are the
>antennae of a
>culture, picking up and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep
>
>over the culture. I agree.
>
> This is why I am interested in promoting Looping Culture as such:
>not for the money
>(I made none doing these shows) but because now we have a more
>creative/fired up community in Santa Cruz. Interestingly enough,
>several of us have been getting local paying gigs and lucrative
>corporate gigs (because the entertainment companies that book the lavish
>corporate parties as tax writeoffs are sick to death of 70's cover
>bands and are looking for something new and refreshing: that's us!).
>
> What I have found, in my admittedly limited 'newbie' concious, is
>that creating a
>'festival' kicks up interest in the community, excites the press and
>radio people who are
>bored with 'music as usual', and creates a specifically community
>oriented atmosphere which is nurturing to future musical developements.
>By having three (or more) artist on a bill you will insure that you will
>not make money but you will be able to 'sell' the idea of the event to
>the community at large. With such a concept you can sometimes talk a
>local church or community center into hosting the event for free or for
>a much lower rental fee. You can pool your respective P.A. equipment
>to save costs. You can approach local music stores/radio stations and
>even corporations for sponsorship to allay costs. In general, you can
>create a scene, cause a commotion, make a 'mess' of 'life as usual'.
>It's hard work and there are very few economic rewards but you would be
>suprised at the ripple effect it can have.
>
>I say: 'Go for it!'
>
>Thanks for hearing my 'rant'. yours, in creativity and looping,
>Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 15:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16275; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c06544$25f3f3a0$ecadfc3f@default> Reply-To: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" From: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" To: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #400 - Headrush question Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:34:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just got an Akai headrush, and I noticed something. I wonder if my unit >is faulty or if they are all like this (I have no manual for it, BTW). > i have a headrush and it doesn't do that at all...sounds like the unit is faulty. the first unit i got was faulty and it got replaced with no hassel...the new unit works great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 15:57:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16341; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:46:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:46:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: so cal gig spam Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C06545.9743DDD0" Resent-Message-ID: <_Eoo6D.A.3-D.-_9N6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06545.9743DDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, stinkbug: scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06545.9743DDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: drumset
 
nels cline: guitars, loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses, loopage
 
ge stinson: guitars, loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify)
 
8 smackers.
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C06545.9743DDD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17172; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:53:40 +0200 From: David Subject: Re: unsubscribe me To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c06549$6e296b00$7fc807c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <4F7H2D.A.qLE.VR-N6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please unsubscribe me right now thank you From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17436; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011901c0654b$90893e80$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF4@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:26:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06519.1B0BA670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06519.1B0BA670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some = growling vocals? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, =20 stinkbug:=20 =20 scott amendola: drumset =20 nels cline: guitars, loopage =20 steuart liebig: basses, loopage =20 ge stinson: guitars, loopage =20 =20 =20 knitting factory hollywood =20 sunday, 17 december 2000 =20 alterknit lounge =20 two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) =20 8 smackers. =20 http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06519.1B0BA670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding = thrash=20 Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals?
 
Joshua
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse = 8 Music=20 Project
http://www.egroups= .com/community/loopoftheday=20 - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egrou= ps.com/community/sampleoftheday=20 - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey<= /A> -=20 Personal Home Page
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A.
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000 2:45=20 PM
Subject: so cal gig spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: drumset
 
nels=20 cline: guitars, loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses, = loopage
 
ge=20 stinson: guitars, loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory = hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december = 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two=20 sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to=20 verify)
 
8=20 smackers.
 
http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/
------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06519.1B0BA670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:29:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17622; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:25:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:25:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: so cal gig spam Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:24:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0654B.04AB1F50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0654B.04AB1F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" no. free improv.no vocs. different band, same name? s -----Original Message----- From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, stinkbug: scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0654B.04AB1F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
no. free improv.no vocs. different band, same name?
 
s
-----Original Message-----
From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: so cal gig spam

Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals?
 
Joshua
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project
http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM
Subject: so cal gig spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: drumset
 
nels cline: guitars, loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses, loopage
 
ge stinson: guitars, loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify)
 
8 smackers.
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0654B.04AB1F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18067; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:36:44 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The fact that the boomerang uses ac input means that the boomerang > rectifies and filters the ac to dc inside of the boomerang. Plugging > 9v dc into a device that has rectifiers and filters on the power input > will not do any harm. It may not work, but it will do no harm. > bret Caution, all the current will be flowing through half of the rectification circuit all of the time (instead of the normal half & half share). If the power capacity of your rectification circuit isn't over specified by a factor of 2 then things might get a little hot. So every chance you could blow up your gear. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:41:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18084; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:39:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <21.4e4d932.276945eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:36:43 EST Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi everyone, > This is a pretty obscure question ...... > Anyone know if the Teac 2340 allows you to "cue'/move the reels by hand > while in pause mode? I have the 3340 model, which as Dennis says is the same apart from the real size. However it lacks the lever which he describes, the only way to scrub is to pull the tape out from between the pinch roller and capstan ( while NOT running) and then making it run over the top of the capstan. You can then press play and manouver the tape manually, although you have to watch that the reels will both be pulling the tape towards them, so if one happens to pull more than the other the tape will want to go that way. This isn't a very 'tidy' technique, and if you take too long the capstan will rub a smooth patch on the back of the tape. It does work however, I have the edits to prove it. Presumably there's other non-editing type decks out there which you could use like this. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:45:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18248; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:42:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:42:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:17:03 +0200 From: David Subject: remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a801c0654e$9642f980$7fc807c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0655A.CDB929A0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF4@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0655A.CDB929A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own = eimails so unsubscribe me please. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, stinkbug:=20 scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0655A.CDB929A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this system from loopers delight is = getting topo=20 much, i even get my own eimails so unsubscribe me please.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000 10:45=20 PM
Subject: so cal gig spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: drumset
 
nels=20 cline: guitars, loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses, = loopage
 
ge=20 stinson: guitars, loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory = hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december = 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two=20 sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to=20 verify)
 
8=20 smackers.
 
http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0655A.CDB929A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18303; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:44:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c0654f$3774d800$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:53:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01C0651C.DDD5A630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C0651C.DDD5A630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable apparently...that's cool...theirs is different, it's got a ! or = something in it, i think it's "STINKBUG!"... i think they were local to = dallas and i haven't heard anything from'm in awhile..i picked up a free = promo CD, and they didn't sound looped..that's why i was going to be = surprised :) Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: RE: so cal gig spam no. free improv.no vocs. different band, same name? =20 s -----Original Message----- From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some = growling vocals? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The = Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, =20 stinkbug:=20 =20 scott amendola: drumset =20 nels cline: guitars, loopage =20 steuart liebig: basses, loopage =20 ge stinson: guitars, loopage =20 =20 =20 knitting factory hollywood =20 sunday, 17 december 2000 =20 alterknit lounge =20 two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) =20 8 smackers. =20 http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C0651C.DDD5A630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
apparently...that's cool...theirs is = different,=20 it's got a ! or something in it, i think it's "STINKBUG!"... i think = they were=20 local to dallas and i haven't heard anything from'm in awhile..i picked = up a=20 free promo CD, and they didn't sound looped..that's why i was going to = be=20 surprised :)
 
Joshua
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse = 8 Music=20 Project
http://www.egroups= .com/community/loopoftheday=20 - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egrou= ps.com/community/sampleoftheday=20 - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey<= /A> -=20 Personal Home Page
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A.
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000 3:24=20 PM
Subject: RE: so cal gig = spam

no.=20 free improv.no vocs. different band, same name?
 
s
-----Original Message-----
From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com]
Sent:= =20 Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: so cal gig spam

Is this the same kind of = heavy-sounding thrash=20 Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals?
 
Joshua
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - = Pulse 8=20 Music Project
http://www.egroups= .com/community/loopoftheday=20 - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egrou= ps.com/community/sampleoftheday=20 - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey<= /A> -=20 Personal Home Page
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A.
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 13, 2000=20 2:45 PM
Subject: so cal gig = spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: = drumset
 
nels cline: guitars, = loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses,=20 loopage
 
ge stinson: guitars, = loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory = hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december = 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two sets: first at = 8:00 p.m. (i'd=20 call club to verify)
 
8 smackers.
 
http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C0651C.DDD5A630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:47:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18074; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:38:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: so cal gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/13/2000 03:32:56 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The drummer, Scott Amendola, is the same from the Charlie Hunter Trio ("Ready, Set... Shango!" and "Natty Dread"), with Charlie Hunter again on the "Return of the Candyman" album and the two TJ Kirk albums, as well as appearing or recording with Pat Martino, Joe Gore, Bill Frisell, John Zorn and Primus. So, I dig him, is what I'm saying. Too bad I've 1600 miles away. "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" aritz.com> cc: Subject: RE: so cal gig spam 12/13/00 03:24 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight no. free improv.no vocs. different band, same name? s -----Original Message----- From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, stinkbug: scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 16:57:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18504; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:44:46 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: so cal gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01b501c0654d$e993ab30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B2_01C0651B.9E86CA50" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01C0651B.9E86CA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there's a stinkbug in dallas that is kinda like that... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: RE: so cal gig spam no. free improv.no vocs. different band, same name? s -----Original Message----- From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Is this the same kind of heavy-sounding thrash Stinkbug?! with some = growling vocals? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The = Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, stinkbug:=20 scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01C0651B.9E86CA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there's a stinkbug in dallas that is kinda like=20 that...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000 3:24=20 PM
Subject: RE: so cal gig = spam

no.=20 free improv.no vocs. different band, same name?
 
s
-----Original Message-----
From: Pulse 8=20 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000 1:27=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: so cal gig spam

Is this the same kind of = heavy-sounding thrash=20 Stinkbug?! with some growling vocals?
 
Joshua
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - = Pulse 8=20 Music Project
http://www.egroups= .com/community/loopoftheday=20 - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egrou= ps.com/community/sampleoftheday=20 - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey<= /A> -=20 Personal Home Page
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 13, 2000=20 2:45 PM
Subject: so cal gig = spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: = drumset
 
nels cline: guitars, = loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses,=20 loopage
 
ge stinson: guitars, = loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory = hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december = 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two sets: first = at 8:00 p.m.=20 (i'd call club to verify)
 
8 smackers.
 
http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01C0651B.9E86CA50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 17:00:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18614; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:50:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:50:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f501c0654e$95f21a60$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: remove Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:49:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C0650B.865D9720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C0650B.865D9720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you subscribed yourself- list = members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU. -----Original Message----- From: David To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: remove this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my = own eimails so unsubscribe me please. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, =20 stinkbug:=20 =20 scott amendola: drumset =20 nels cline: guitars, loopage =20 steuart liebig: basses, loopage =20 ge stinson: guitars, loopage =20 =20 =20 knitting factory hollywood =20 sunday, 17 december 2000 =20 alterknit lounge =20 two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) =20 8 smackers. =20 http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C0650B.865D9720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you = subscribed=20 yourself- list members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU.
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 David <reel.d@iafrica.com>
To: = Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Date:=20 Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM
Subject:=20 remove

this system from loopers delight is = getting topo=20 much, i even get my own eimails so unsubscribe me please.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A.
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, = 2000=20 10:45 PM
Subject: so cal gig = spam

howdy,
 
stinkbug:
 
scott amendola: = drumset
 
nels cline: guitars, = loopage
 
steuart liebig: basses, = loopage
 
ge=20 stinson: guitars, loopage
 
 
 
knitting factory = hollywood
 
sunday, 17 december = 2000
 
alterknit lounge
 
two sets: first at = 8:00 p.m. (i'd=20 call club to verify)
 
8=20 smackers.
 
http://www.knittingfactory.= com/kfla/
= ------=_NextPart_000_01F1_01C0650B.865D9720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 17:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19384; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:02:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:02:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:58:42 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/13/2000 03:58:44 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I emailed him instructions for unsubscribing privately. Let's not all get huffy. L "Clifford@BienA ppraisers" To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: remove this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own eimails so unsubscribe me please. ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: so cal gig spam howdy, stinkbug: scott amendola: drumset nels cline: guitars, loopage steuart liebig: basses, loopage ge stinson: guitars, loopage knitting factory hollywood sunday, 17 december 2000 alterknit lounge two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) 8 smackers. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 17:34:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19877; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:28:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:28:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023e01c06553$e4a54060$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: remove Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:27:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6pvQe.A.Q2E.Yf_N6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I informed him once off list before this- thanks- -----Original Message----- From: lindsay@pavestone.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:05 PM Subject: Re: remove > >I emailed him instructions for unsubscribing privately. Let's not all get >huffy. > >L > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > ppraisers" To: > Subject: Re: remove > 12/13/00 03:49 > PM > Please respond > to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > >No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you subscribed yourself- list >members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM > Subject: remove > > this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own > eimails so unsubscribe me please. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM > Subject: so cal gig spam > > howdy, > > stinkbug: > > scott amendola: drumset > > nels cline: guitars, loopage > > steuart liebig: basses, loopage > > ge stinson: guitars, loopage > > > > knitting factory hollywood > > sunday, 17 december 2000 > > alterknit lounge > > two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) > > 8 smackers. > > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 17:48:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20071; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:38:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:38:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: remove To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:35:00 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/13/2000 04:35:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, that's two sets of instructions he's received. More than enough justification to huff. (I did not mean to sound snippy--damn this email and it's lack of inflection) L "Clifford@BienA ppraisers" To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:05 PM Subject: Re: remove > >I emailed him instructions for unsubscribing privately. Let's not all get >huffy. > >L > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > ppraisers" To: > Subject: Re: remove > 12/13/00 03:49 > PM > Please respond > to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > >No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you subscribed yourself- list >members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM > Subject: remove > > this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own > eimails so unsubscribe me please. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM > Subject: so cal gig spam > > howdy, > > stinkbug: > > scott amendola: drumset > > nels cline: guitars, loopage > > steuart liebig: basses, loopage > > ge stinson: guitars, loopage > > > > knitting factory hollywood > > sunday, 17 december 2000 > > alterknit lounge > > two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) > > 8 smackers. > > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:11:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20894; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:01:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:01:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ac01c06559$fd5450f0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: remove Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:09:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps it'd help if "to unsubscribe" line included or a link for subscription information... Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: remove > > Well, that's two sets of instructions he's received. More than enough > justification to huff. > (I did not mean to sound snippy--damn this email and it's lack of > inflection) > > L > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > ppraisers" To: > Subject: Re: remove > 12/13/00 04:27 > PM > Please respond > to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > I informed him once off list before this- thanks- > > -----Original Message----- > From: lindsay@pavestone.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: remove > > > > > >I emailed him instructions for unsubscribing privately. Let's not all get > >huffy. > > > >L > > > > > > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > > ppraisers" To: > > > > Subject: Re: remove > > 12/13/00 03:49 > > PM > > Please respond > > to > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > >No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you subscribed yourself- list > >members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM > > Subject: remove > > > > this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own > > eimails so unsubscribe me please. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM > > Subject: so cal gig spam > > > > howdy, > > > > stinkbug: > > > > scott amendola: drumset > > > > nels cline: guitars, loopage > > > > steuart liebig: basses, loopage > > > > ge stinson: guitars, loopage > > > > > > > > knitting factory hollywood > > > > sunday, 17 december 2000 > > > > alterknit lounge > > > > two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) > > > > 8 smackers. > > > > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21026; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A380091.BCC6DB76@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:04:49 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod References: <3A356E07.F58BDF3A@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. Any opinions welcome. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:23:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21413; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:18:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:18:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:14:50 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/13/2000 05:14:51 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You know what? I think the Yamaha DG Stomp may be the way to go. I own a POD and loved it--until my friend and jam-mate got a DG Stomp. First off, the effects are measurably better. Second, there's what seems to me a deeper level of control over all the parameters. Third, there's footswitches! It's built like a stomp-box, which the POD a J-Station are not, making them near useless live without additional hardware (footswitch or MIDI gear). I have also been impressed by the tone, though I haven't had too much opportunity to tinker with it. I do know Guitar Player (Joe Gore, I think) reviewed it and it won an Editors' Choice award with some superlative commentary. My 2.23 Yen. Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod 12/13/00 05:04 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Hey I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. Any opinions welcome. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21412; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:18:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:18:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:17:00 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA21380 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How bout the new Yamaha DG stomp. -T >>> sine@zerocrossing.net 12/13 3:04 PM >>> Hey I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. Any opinions welcome. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:29:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21608; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:24:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b801c0655d$3efd85a0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <01ac01c06559$fd5450f0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> Subject: Re: remove Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:34:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise....i speak english, i promise.... (that's about as far as it goes towards this message being loop related) Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pulse 8" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: remove > Perhaps it'd help if "to unsubscribe" line included or a link for > subscription information... > > Joshua > > Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso > http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project > http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day > http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day > http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: remove > > > > > > Well, that's two sets of instructions he's received. More than enough > > justification to huff. > > (I did not mean to sound snippy--damn this email and it's lack of > > inflection) > > > > L > > > > > > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > > ppraisers" To: > > > > Subject: Re: remove > > 12/13/00 04:27 > > PM > > Please respond > > to > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > > I informed him once off list before this- thanks- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lindsay@pavestone.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: remove > > > > > > > > > >I emailed him instructions for unsubscribing privately. Let's not all > get > > >huffy. > > > > > >L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Clifford@BienA > > > ppraisers" To: > > > > > > > Subject: Re: remove > > > 12/13/00 03:49 > > > PM > > > Please respond > > > to > > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No sir- you unsubscribe yourself just like you subscribed yourself- list > > >members CAN NOT UNSUBSCRIBE YOU. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < > > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:46 PM > > > Subject: remove > > > > > > this system from loopers delight is getting topo much, i even get my own > > > eimails so unsubscribe me please. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:45 PM > > > Subject: so cal gig spam > > > > > > howdy, > > > > > > stinkbug: > > > > > > scott amendola: drumset > > > > > > nels cline: guitars, loopage > > > > > > steuart liebig: basses, loopage > > > > > > ge stinson: guitars, loopage > > > > > > > > > > > > knitting factory hollywood > > > > > > sunday, 17 december 2000 > > > > > > alterknit lounge > > > > > > two sets: first at 8:00 p.m. (i'd call club to verify) > > > > > > 8 smackers. > > > > > > http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:33:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21578; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:23:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:55:23 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance Sat. 12.16.00 with Immersion Music Salon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1JaiZC.A.yPF.VTAO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'm performing video improvisations with Immersion Music Salon at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge MA, on Saturday Dec 16 at 8PM. Marc Bisson - prepared guitar Teresa Marrin Nakra - violin Dr T - video mix Curtis Bahn Extended Bass Marilda Castro - movement with special guests: dj flack - turntables sabrina - film loops The Zeitgeist Gallery is located at 312 Broadway in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Please call 617-623-1065 for directions and more information. Hope you can make it. Previous shows with this group have been very special. -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" -- Arthur C. Clarke I like to think that is true for art and music as well. Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 18:37:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21706; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A380091.BCC6DB76@zerocrossing.net> References: <3A356E07.F58BDF3A@cruzio.com> <3A380091.BCC6DB76@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:19:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those two modeling preamps and the opinions on each are as varied and vehement as the 'fender vs. marshall' or 'paul vs. strat' or 'big mac vs. whopper' arguments... I use the POD regularly and think it's the best thing since sliced bread as far as direct recording (if you happen to have limited access to high quality mics, excellent sounding rooms, and good micing engineering skills...like me!) I used to play bass for a rock band where the guitarist was using a Johnson Millenium with a Parker guitar. In my opinion? Crap plugged into crap. No soul, no tone, just jangly overchorused junk. Now he wasn't a wiz with programming either, so that may account for his tone...but god knows he futzed around with the stupid thing often enough. Check out http://www.dthraco.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2786/pod.html These two dudes are the biggest POD evangalists, so expect a biased opinion. However, dtraco has audio samples of the POD vs. J-Station at his site. Malhavok (the second address) has literally hundreds of patches you can download into your POD via your computer and Soundiver software. General concensus: POD - much better and more accurate amp models J-Station - better effects good luck, rich >Hey > >I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think >that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 >Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I >know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian >Belew swears by Johnson amps. > >Any opinions welcome. > >Thanks. > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 19:04:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22097; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:40:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:40:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:39:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My brother Anton got one of the DG Stomps and they sound quite good -- good clean and gain sounds, and a nice reverb -- (much better than the POD, IMO). Also, it has the digital output (SPDIF) , which is nice for digital audio recording, although, strangely, we could not get it to work with Cubase (although other digital sources seem to work fine...). I've never the J-station, though, so i can;t compare it to that. - Chris >You know what? I think the Yamaha DG Stomp may be the way to go. I own a >POD and loved it--until my friend and jam-mate got a DG Stomp. First off, >the effects are measurably better. Second, there's what seems to me a >deeper level of control over all the parameters. Third, there's >footswitches! It's built like a stomp-box, which the POD a J-Station are >not, making them near useless live without additional hardware (footswitch >or MIDI gear). I have also been impressed by the tone, though I haven't >had too much opportunity to tinker with it. I do know Guitar Player (Joe >Gore, I think) reviewed it and it won an Editors' Choice award with some >superlative commentary. > >My 2.23 Yen. > > > > > > Mark > > Sottilaro To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > ssing.net> Subject: OT: Johnson JStation >VS. Line6 Pod > > > 12/13/00 > > 05:04 PM > > Please > > respond to > > Loopers-Delig > > ht > > > > > > > > >Hey > >I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think >that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 >Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I >know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian >Belew swears by Johnson amps. > >Any opinions welcome. > >Thanks. > >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 19:12:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22293; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:50:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001213185254.007dd970@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:52:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod In-Reply-To: <3A380091.BCC6DB76@zerocrossing.net> References: <3A356E07.F58BDF3A@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_zd1VB.A.6bF.hsAO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:04 PM 12/13/00 -0800, Mark wrote: >I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. I thought so too, and there even a thread a while back about how Belew was even using the Millennium's onboard circuitry for looping, but a friend of mine caught a Crimson show a couple of weeks ago (Berklee Performance Ctr, Boston) and swears Belew was using the old JC-120s again. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 19:44:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23708; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:34:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:34:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.221.88] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:32:57 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 00:32:58.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[684C7F80:01C06565] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim & all, I'm not questioning what your friend saw, but I saw KC in Chicago at the Park West on Halloween and he did indeed have 2 Johnson amps. KC also had a ton of looping gear, but except perhaps for Fripp's soundscapes I didn't hear any loops. When I saw KC back in (I think) 96' the string players were all using Bag End Monitors except for Tony Levin. Best Regards, Nick At 03:04 PM 12/13/00 -0800, Mark wrote: >I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. I thought so too, and there even a thread a while back about how Belew was even using the Millennium's onboard circuitry for looping, but a friend of mine caught a Crimson show a couple of weeks ago (Berklee Performance Ctr, Boston) and swears Belew was using the old JC-120s again. Tim _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 20:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24952; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:19:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:19:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A38218A.20EB8B08@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:31:45 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com space module wrote: > Hi Tim & all, > > I'm not questioning what your friend saw, but I saw KC in Chicago at the > Park West on Halloween and he did indeed have 2 Johnson amps. KC also had a > ton of looping gear, but except perhaps for Fripp's soundscapes I didn't > hear any loops. When I saw KC back in (I think) 96' the string players were > all using Bag End Monitors except for Tony Levin. > > Best Regards, > > Nick > > At 03:04 PM 12/13/00 -0800, Mark wrote: > >I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. > > I thought so too, and there even a thread a while back about how Belew was > even using the Millennium's onboard circuitry for looping, but a friend of > mine caught a Crimson show a couple of weeks ago (Berklee Performance Ctr, > Boston) and swears Belew was using the old JC-120s again. > > Tim maybe the millenium's were in the shop :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 20:44:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25381; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:42:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:42:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001214014140.17659.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: re: Boomerang Power Supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, I disagree with your conclusion that using a dc source to an ac (rectified) input of a device like the boomerang can possibly damage the rectifier's diodes or that 'things will get a little hot'. As far as I know rectifier circuits and diodes are rated by max current and max voltage, not power. Diodes will fail if you exceed their current rating, or if you exceed their breakdown voltage rating. Your 'half and half share' statement assumes a full wave rectifier, but whether damage is done does not matter if we are talking about a full wave or a half wave rectifier. As you note, in the case of the full wave circuit presented with an ac input, the current is not split across 2 paths at the same time. It is not analogous to 2 paths that carry the same current at the same time (like 2 wires in parallel). At a given moment, half of the full wave rectifier's diodes carry ALL of the current. When the phase of the ac input changes, the other half of the full wave rectifier circuit carries ALL of the current. So, each of the diodes in the bridge must be rated to carry ALL of the current (plus margin). The half wave rectifier is simpler. In this circuit the current flows through the diode half the time when an ac voltage is applied. When the same rms dc voltage is applied to the diode, the diode conducts 100% of the time (if forward biased) or None of the time (if reverse biased). The diode is fine with the dc input because the current through the forward biased diode is the same as with an ac input, and the dc voltage presented to the diode will not exceed the peak ac voltage. When a 9v dc source is applied to the device's 9v ac (rectified) input, the current through the rectifier is not increased (the device still draws the same current), nor is the peak voltage increased from the same device having ac input to the rectifier (the peak may even be less for the dc case). The difference the diodes will experience is the duty cycle of the voltage and current. Going to a 100% duty cycle will not damage the diode or diodes because the current and voltage ratings of the diode junctions are not exceeded. On an anecdotal note, the Roland GR-09 guitar synth expects an AC input, but I have used a DC input (inside a car) and not seen any problems. bret --- SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: > > The fact that the boomerang uses ac input means that the boomerang > > rectifies and filters the ac to dc inside of the boomerang. > Plugging > > 9v dc into a device that has rectifiers and filters on the power > input > > will not do any harm. It may not work, but it will do no harm. > > bret > Caution, all the current will be flowing through half of the > rectification > circuit > all of the time (instead of the normal half & half share). > If the power capacity of your rectification circuit isn't over > specified > by a factor of 2 then things might get a little hot. > So every chance you could blow up your gear. > Andy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 21:23:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26594; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:22:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001214022131.7490.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:21:31 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: OT help with Logic Audio please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_mB92C.A.-eG.p6CO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow Loopers, If there is anyone who can help me set up my Logic system by answering a few questions, I would be most appreciative. Does anyone know where I can order the boomerang update? Thanks, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 13 21:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26951; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:35 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: OT help with Logic Audio please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20001214022131.7490.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <20001213183136-r01010600-2de7fd13@192.168.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 13/12/00 at 18:21, dan sumner wrote: > Dear fellow Loopers, > > If there is anyone who can help me set up my Logic > system by answering a few questions, I would be most > appreciative. Does anyone know where I can order the > boomerang update? The Logic list is logic-users@egroups.com If you go to egroups you can get right on it. HTH Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 00:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30640; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:19:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:19:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001214002134.007dee30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:21:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By a strange coincidence, just as your message came across my screen, that same friend arrived at my house. I showed him your post and asked "Are you SURE they were the 120's?" He said "Well, they MIGHT not have been, but they looked like it. They're the two twelve combos, right?" Hmmmmmmmm..... I'll bet they WERE the Millenniums! :-) -t At 06:32 PM 12/13/00 -0600, Nick wrote: >I'm not questioning what your friend saw, but I saw KC in Chicago at the >Park West on Halloween and he did indeed have 2 Johnson amps. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 01:48:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32296; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT help with Logic Audio please Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:45:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 06:45:39.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[78B6EE30:01C06599] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi my name is Alyosha I use Logic very often, so if I can help you let me know. It is a greate program, greate that you got it. Alyosha _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 03:03:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01483; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:02:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:02:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3A387C19.EF051038@jguru.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:51:53 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-5.0.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Johnson amp's Belew has been seen using are basically Digitech 2120's (internal tube and solid-state preamp) built into a solid-state amp. The JStation is all digitally modelled - a completely different animal. There are interesting reviews of both the Pod and JStation at Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk). I suspect Belew will sound like himself no matter what he plugs into. My personal choice is a Pod + external FX -- let each box do what it does best. I had a Digitech 2101 for quite a while, and though it has some great tones, I think the Pod has the edge in that match-up. Jim space module wrote: > Hi Tim & all, > > I'm not questioning what your friend saw, but I saw KC in Chicago at the > Park West on Halloween and he did indeed have 2 Johnson amps. KC also had a > ton of looping gear, but except perhaps for Fripp's soundscapes I didn't > hear any loops. When I saw KC back in (I think) 96' the string players were > all using Bag End Monitors except for Tony Levin. > > Best Regards, > > Nick > > At 03:04 PM 12/13/00 -0800, Mark wrote: > >I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. > > I thought so too, and there even a thread a while back about how Belew was > even using the Millennium's onboard circuitry for looping, but a friend of > mine caught a Crimson show a couple of weeks ago (Berklee Performance Ctr, > Boston) and swears Belew was using the old JC-120s again. > > Tim > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 03:07:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01683; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3A387D15.4950D121@jguru.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:56:05 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-5.0.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: considering kyma purchase References: <01ee01c05ffe$0cac1530$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c06078$15629c60$1bb06fd4@y5w2s5> <005401c06324$c7b6eac0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> <000701c06395$adaac220$20b06fd4@y5w2s5> <06f901c0639c$70e15f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ackkk! 56K programming on the Capybara! What is it with that unit???? ;) Happy looping :) Dennis Leas wrote: > > Which reminds me Dennis - any sign of your looping patches? > > Yes! I'm getting much closer to a beta! I have one more microSound to > write (hopefully this next week, but it might take two) and update my > documentation. Then I need a way to distribute without sending the source > code; SymbSound is working on this issue. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 04:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03373; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Per Wallqvist To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Looking for loopsampler for a Sax Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:38:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi, > > I am looking for a simple to use stage loop sample device that i can use > with my saxophone. > > I will use a normal dynamic mic and I will be connected to a PA. > The looper could be connected to an effect return on then PA. > > Any suggestions? > > Best regards > > /Per > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------- > Per Wallqvist ---- per@tankebolaget.se ---- ICQ: 807488 > Tankebolaget AB -------------------- www.tankebolaget.se > Kungstensgatan 21B 2tr----------- mob:+46-708-77 81 41 > S-113 57 STHLM, Sweden ------------ ph: +46-8-4429617 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 04:56:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03627; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:55:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A37486C.C5F12C@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:59:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Loop.pooL at the BLUEBIRD GALLERY, FELTON, CALIFORNIA Sunday, Dec 17th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3kfoS.A.h4.YjJO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I am proud to announce a free presentation of the live version of | | | __ __ __ __ __ __ | |___ (__) (__) (__) * (__) (__) (__) |___ | | | | with my partner in Abstract Downtempo Electronica, George DeMarest at the BLUEBIRD GALLERY (6396 hwy 9 Felton 95018) this Sunday, December 17th from 3 p.m. until 7 p.m. I will also be performing a set of my solo looping show: Loop.1.pooL which will be my first performance in this county since the excellent WOODSTOCKHAUSEN 2000 Experimental Music Festival this summer. There will be a lot of audience participation in this one, so come prepared to help me loop! George DeMarest is an excellent classically trained trumpeter/flugelhornist with a beautiful voice who also plays keyboards, percussion, electronics and is even currently working on his shofar and conch shell chops ;-)~ He will also be performing his solo looping set as well. Loop.pooL's perfromance will be our warm up gig for a featured presentation at Monterey's First Night in a specially constructed geodesic dome. The live performance will include Ambient/Trip Hop/Abstract/ and World music elements. The BLUEBIRD GALLERY is a very creative new art enterprise run by Willia and Javier, two talented visual artists. They are very supportive of artists and musicians and we are lucky to have them in our community. Please support them. I hope you can make it. Yours, in creativity and expression, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 05:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04589; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:39:27 EST Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <-zFO0C.A.WHB.EOKO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 12/14/00 3:03:14 AM, jimc@jguru.com writes: << My personal choice is a Pod + external FX -- let each box do what it does best. I had a Digitech 2101 for quite a while, and though it has some great tones, I think the Pod has the edge in that match-up. >> Jim; How do you run you're effects? Before/ after the Pod - which ones? While I agree the Pod is great I also had a 2101 (sold when I got the Pod) that I now kind of miss - those thick 8 voice chorus modules are something! I think Digitech screwed up when they "upgraded" the 2101 with the 2112 - something was lost IMHO. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 05:50:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04858; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:49:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:49:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c065b9$e55ff480$1743e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <3A387C19.EF051038@jguru.com> Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:37:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With KC2000 you can hear the Roland V-modelling (Fripp), POD's (Gunn) and Johnson (Belew). It seems they need a guy who's going to play Yamaha:) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Coker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod-what Belew uses > > The Johnson amp's Belew has been seen using are basically > Digitech 2120's (internal tube and solid-state preamp) built > into a solid-state amp. The JStation is all digitally modelled - > a completely different animal. There are interesting reviews > of both the Pod and JStation at Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk). > I suspect Belew will sound like himself no matter what he plugs > into. > > My personal choice is a Pod + external FX -- let each > box do what it does best. I had a Digitech 2101 for quite > a while, and though it has some great tones, I think the > Pod has the edge in that match-up. > > Jim > > space module wrote: > > > Hi Tim & all, > > > > I'm not questioning what your friend saw, but I saw KC in Chicago at the > > Park West on Halloween and he did indeed have 2 Johnson amps. KC also had a > > ton of looping gear, but except perhaps for Fripp's soundscapes I didn't > > hear any loops. When I saw KC back in (I think) 96' the string players were > > all using Bag End Monitors except for Tony Levin. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Nick > > > > At 03:04 PM 12/13/00 -0800, Mark wrote: > > >I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. > > > > I thought so too, and there even a thread a while back about how Belew was > > even using the Millennium's onboard circuitry for looping, but a friend of > > mine caught a Crimson show a couple of weeks ago (Berklee Performance Ctr, > > Boston) and swears Belew was using the old JC-120s again. > > > > Tim > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 08:55:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08696; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022301c065d4$1b34c850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: remove Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:45:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, that's two sets of instructions he's received. More than enough > justification to huff. Actually three sets. I sent him instructions from the LD website as well... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12056; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:32:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:32:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A38DA0F.2860683C@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:32:47 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater hype evaporates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use to see so much stuff regarding the new Repeater and lately nothing. How can something be so exciting then so extinct? Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 12:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12909; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:01:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:01:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C28E3@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:29:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i also swear by johnson amps. i've been playing the stereo 150 for a smudge over 2 years now. it has replaced 200 plus pounds of rack gear. so far so good very solid amp. i've done over a few hundred shows with this amp with no errors for johnson. (knock on wood ...)i have no j-station experience myself but my friends swear by it. use your ears and pick your winner. best wishes, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Johnson JStation VS. Line6 Pod Hey I've been doing more recording than playing lately, and it's made me think that a good tube modeling preamp may be the way to go. I bought a Line 6 Spyder, and I like it, but I've been seeing the Johnson JStation around. I know the Line 6 is held in pretty high regard. I also know that Adrian Belew swears by Johnson amps. Any opinions welcome. Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 13:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14570; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001214182137.21562.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: OT help with Logic Audio please To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alyosha, Thanks for your ear. I'm trying to sync an adat xt to my logic ISIS program. I use the Guillemont card and am hooking up the adat with the alesis adat PCR card. LAW will controll the adat transport just fine, but will not move it's own transport when synced!!!! I hope this makes sense to you. Does anyone have a solution for me? Also, I did get it to sync a couple of times and when I tried to record an audio signal comming through the guillemont card, LAW recorded it for a few seconds and then dropped out of recording for no aparant reason. I checked the audio window and I had the recording time set for 5 min. Thanks for your thoughts, Dan Sumner New Orleans --- Alyosha Barreiro wrote: > Hi my name is Alyosha > I use Logic very often, so if I can help you let me > know. > It is a greate program, greate that you got it. > Alyosha > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 13:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14798; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:28:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:28:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214121353.01fad9b0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:17:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater hype evaporates In-Reply-To: <3A38DA0F.2860683C@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (08:32 AM 12/14/00) wrote: >I use to see so much stuff regarding the new Repeater and lately >nothing. > >How can something be so exciting then so extinct? I think that it's been talked out pretty well. I started hyping it in July, then I think Damon decloaked around September to start answering questions. They had to push pushed back the release date, so at this point I think folks are simply waiting for users to get their hands on it. Damon is still here on the list, though he got nailed by a nasty flu bug... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 13:34:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15020; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:32:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3911DC.F867775A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:30:52 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater hype evaporates References: <3A38DA0F.2860683C@sigecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because we realized that it doesn't really exist. Scott Winzinger wrote: > I use to see so much stuff regarding the new Repeater and lately > nothing. > > How can something be so exciting then so extinct? > > Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 13:46:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15362; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:44:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:44:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C28FD@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , GLOBAL@cruzio.com, "'Mbiffle@svg.com'" Subject: RE: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:10:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <_OLrLB.A.RvD.ERRO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am also very interested in being part of any type of looping movement. a looping festival is a great idea! we could host this in austin texas at a number of venues. please feel free to email me directly both at jimmy@loadhandler.com and jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com to discuss further. i think that having an annual looping festival is a great idea. i would happily drive else where if need be to join such a cause. peace jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:39 PM To: GLOBAL@cruzio.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Rick Walker wrote... > I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city that he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him in reply (which also generously shared contact and club information in his city): >> He wrote: >> "........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's about fifty musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations and attend each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no audience beyond that......... I'm not really interested in setting up a mini-festival. I dealt with that ..... where I used to live and it was a massive pain in the ass for very little return. The public doesn't really care how you make interesting sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable such as the Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......." To which Rick replied... > I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is virtually the same here. We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. To be frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about the quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that undervalues their unique contributions... snip... > My point is that community and energy are more powerful, culturally speaking than pure monetarily driven commercialism... snip... > My point? Energy, Community and Creativity is what changes our culture for the better. I've gotta jump in here as well... Regardless of audience demographics, I've found that meeting other musicians and creating community is really what drives MY playing and motivates me. Dialog with your peers really brings a sense of shared effort and minimizes the feeling of lonliness pervasive in "unpop" culture. Many of us are lucky enough to be playing semi-normal sounding music which somehow fits into an existing scene. What about those really wanting to experiment? Push limits? Our audience is first and foremost our peers... other players out there trying to have dialog with each other and learn from each other. This same problem exists in radical free-improv music... the so called "creative" music scene really has an intense, thriving worldwide community.. certainly with a small devout audience... but more certainly fueled by a commitment among the players to follow the creative impulse honestly **where ever** it arises regardless of current trends and audience demographics... It's been discussed to death recently over at the BA-NEWMUS list, and it's apparent that REALLY going for it and doing whatever you really feel like, is never going to appeal to large masses... It's too damned unpredictable... but it sure is HONEST and because of that it gains a fanatically loyal commitment by a core group of artists, and an ever growing group of listeners. What's so awful about that? I'm proud to be "unpop"! Rick... > Somebody once said that artists are the antennae of a culture, picking up and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep over the culture. I agree. I've heard this said too... Thanks for reminding me of this Rick... I completely agree also. Working together NOW... talking... playing... experimenting... learning... All of this will inform our collective growth and make for a meaningful dialog which will MAKE SENSE, in some way to listeners. We'll ultimately be connected and not lonely anymore... or maybe we'll all be lonley together? I can live with that! 8-) Anyway... I'm off MY soap box now as well... Best, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 14:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16147; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001214185725.26006.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: OT mistake To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Sorry. I did not mean to send this to the whole group. \Dan > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 14:25:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16710; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001214140913.009e9ca0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert:tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:22:24 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: ground control to Major Hum (OT, sorta...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_YQd0C.A.wEE.N3RO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
gentleLoopers, your advise please (and god help me, i'm in for it now)

i am using a performance rig chock-a-block with typical performace rig componants and connections. scads o stomp boxes, and all typical tip/ring connectors.

except for one componant, the last thing in the chain - a dbx 160A compresser that wants (ideally)  balanced input/output (i'm using the 1/4 inch jacks). now, sometimes i get hum from this unit and have to lift the ground on the overall ac, which i sorta hate doing, but, hell, when ya gotta go...

in anyone's estimatiion, should i be using TRS connectors even tho i have no balanced lines anywhere else in the rig? somehow that just doesn't seem right to me, but....

i think there's a chance that polarity flakiness in the building i'm located in may have something to do with this - but you can usually file that with "grasping at straws" and "the dog ate my homework".

more information on a setup that would make rube goldberg proud can be fingered at:

http://www.tensionheadache.org/ac/gear.htm


thanking you for your expertise & indulgence, and you can reply off-list if it seems too non-loop.

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 - just what the world needs... another frikkin url -
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 15:04:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17693; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:57:12 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , Subject: RE: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA17256 Resent-Message-ID: <4lbwZC.A.0NE.dZSO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jimmy... If the timing was right I'd love to schedule a vacation down in Austin if we build some momentum on this. I've never been there and often wanted to visit. I know Rick Walker has been very active in the Santa Cruz area and enjoyed playing at one of his shindigs. I'm also planning my own sporadic future gigs there as well. We'll certainly be able to host something in Santa Cruz... Rick? Any specific plans in place? I'd love to begin planning something for spring/summer. Broadway Playhouse or Loudon Nelson Theater would both be cool places to host an event. It might be nice to have it before UCSC spring session is over to attract the college types. Best, -Miko >>> Jimmy George 12/14/00 10:10AM >>> > i am also very interested in being part of any type of looping movement. a looping festival is a great idea! we could host this in austin texas at a number of venues. please feel free to email me directly both at jimmy@loadhandler.com and jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com to discuss further. i think that having an annual looping festival is a great idea. i would happily drive else where if need be to join such a cause. > peace jimmy george From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:39 PM To: GLOBAL@cruzio.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Lot's snipped for brevity... > Working together NOW... talking... playing... experimenting... learning... All of this will inform our collective growth and make for a meaningful dialog which will MAKE SENSE, in some way to listeners. We'll ultimately be connected and not lonely anymore... or maybe we'll all be lonley together? I can live with that! 8-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 15:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18485; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A392D70.BA4DCB02@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:28:32 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , DH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Concert this Friday night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Friday night, Dec 15th, my band Overdrive Date Master will perform our annual holiday show in Phila PA . Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/odm.html ODM (as we're know to our fan) play one show a year that is part carnival sideshow, part thrift store extravaganza, and all heart. We show up in jumpsuits (swiss lettered with the band name of course) mix various strange records together at the wrong speeds and tie it all together with Binky our windup monkey as a drummer. There will be candy, dancing, and all sorts of other nonsense in a performance art sort of way. Christmas lights, candle, a live mandolin player and more await you on this magical evening. Hell, we may even play a song. Maybe. Fresh (?) off the heels of my Sept. shows at the Fringe Festival I have evidently gained some undeserved credibility and this show will take place at the monthly concert series promoted and paid for by the University of Pennsylvania. It's free and open to the public and there will be all sorts of other nonsense including performance artist/dancer the great Quentini (a 6 1/2 foot, 140 pound man in a giant bird costume) and other bands with names like Seaweed soup and the like. There will also be a DJ. Come out and celebrate the holidays with a windup monkey, robots, and music that sounds like Burl Ives getting a handjob from a fire hydrant. Plus candy! If you're in Phila. there is write-up in the Citypaper (P 34) this week. 'da facts: When: This Friday night, Dec 15th. 8-11 PM (we go on around 9 PM) Where: The Rotunda, a beautiful church at the corner of 40th and Walnut St. There is plenty of safe parking on the street (I know, I've been to many of these shows). Who: Overdrive Date Master (My "band"). Seaweed Soup, Meisha, and the great Quentini. When (again); Show starts at 8PM and is over at 11:00. I believe we're going on around 9 PM and will probably make a racket for about 45 minutes. Don't worry, it'll seem like a lot longer. Cost: FREE!!! (Cider and Snacks will also be free.) ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 15:59:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18797; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:57:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:57:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:02:42 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00dc01c06611$33965020$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C28FD@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com austin would be a great place for this stuff. there is a good audience there for such things. i would definitely come down from dallas for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy George" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: RE: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS > i am also very interested in being part of any type of looping movement. a > looping festival is a great idea! we could host this in austin texas at a > number of venues. please feel free to email me directly both at > jimmy@loadhandler.com and jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com to discuss further. i > think that having an annual looping festival is a great idea. i would > happily drive else where if need be to join such a cause. > > peace > jimmy george > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:39 PM > To: GLOBAL@cruzio.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS > > > Rick Walker wrote... > > I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking > him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city that > he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him in reply > (which also generously shared contact and club information in his city): > > >> He wrote: > >> "........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's > about fifty musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations > and attend each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no > audience beyond that......... I'm not really interested in setting up a > mini-festival. I dealt with that ..... where I used to live and it was a > massive pain in the ass for very little return. The public doesn't really > care how you make > interesting sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable > such as the Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......." > > To which Rick replied... > > I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is virtually > the same here. We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. > To be frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about > the quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that > undervalues their unique contributions... snip... > My point is that > community and energy are more powerful, culturally speaking than pure > monetarily driven commercialism... snip... > My point? Energy, Community > and Creativity is what changes our culture for the better. > > I've gotta jump in here as well... Regardless of audience demographics, I've > found that meeting other musicians and creating community is really what > drives MY playing and motivates me. Dialog with your peers really brings a > sense of shared effort and minimizes the feeling of lonliness pervasive in > "unpop" culture. > > Many of us are lucky enough to be playing semi-normal sounding music which > somehow fits into an existing scene. What about those really wanting to > experiment? Push limits? Our audience is first and foremost our peers... > other players out there trying to have dialog with each other and learn from > each other. > > This same problem exists in radical free-improv music... the so called > "creative" music scene really has an intense, thriving worldwide community.. > certainly with a small devout audience... but more certainly fueled by a > commitment among the players to follow the creative impulse honestly **where > ever** it arises regardless of current trends and audience demographics... > It's been discussed to death recently over at the BA-NEWMUS list, and it's > apparent that REALLY going for it and doing whatever you really feel like, > is never going to appeal to large masses... It's too damned unpredictable... > but it sure is HONEST and because of that it gains a fanatically loyal > commitment by a core group of artists, and an ever growing group of > listeners. What's so awful about that? I'm proud to be "unpop"! > > Rick... > > Somebody once said that artists are the antennae of a culture, picking up > and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep over the culture. I > agree. > > I've heard this said too... Thanks for reminding me of this Rick... I > completely agree also. > > Working together NOW... talking... playing... experimenting... learning... > All of this will inform our collective growth and make for a meaningful > dialog which will MAKE SENSE, in some way to listeners. We'll ultimately be > connected and not lonely anymore... or maybe we'll all be lonley together? I > can live with that! 8-) > > Anyway... I'm off MY soap box now as well... > > Best, > -Miko Biffle > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 16:09:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19478; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:06:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C291E@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:33:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aye! how should we organize the acts to play? -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS austin would be a great place for this stuff. there is a good audience there for such things. i would definitely come down from dallas for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy George" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: RE: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS > i am also very interested in being part of any type of looping movement. a > looping festival is a great idea! we could host this in austin texas at a > number of venues. please feel free to email me directly both at > jimmy@loadhandler.com and jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com to discuss further. i > think that having an annual looping festival is a great idea. i would > happily drive else where if need be to join such a cause. > > peace > jimmy george > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:39 PM > To: GLOBAL@cruzio.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: A CALL TO CREATE LIVE GRASSROOTS LOOPING FESTIVALS > > > Rick Walker wrote... > > I recently wrote a letter to a fellow respected looping musician asking > him if there was a chance of setting up a looping festival in the city that > he lives in. This is part of the letter I recieved back from him in reply > (which also generously shared contact and club information in his city): > > >> He wrote: > >> "........Well, as far as 'my city' being "happening"...I'd say there's > about fifty musicians who work together in various loose-knit configurations > and attend each other's shows (in groups of a half-dozen or so). There's no > audience beyond that......... I'm not really interested in setting up a > mini-festival. I dealt with that ..... where I used to live and it was a > massive pain in the ass for very little return. The public doesn't really > care how you make > interesting sounds, unless perhaps it's something exotic and fashionable > such as the Theremin--they just want to hear something interesting......." > > To which Rick replied... > > I hear what you say about looping and looping festivals. It is virtually > the same here. We've only had 50-100 people per show for 4 looping shows. > To be frank, though, I couldn't care less about popularity. I care about > the quality of the work and the nurturing of young artists in a culture that > undervalues their unique contributions... snip... > My point is that > community and energy are more powerful, culturally speaking than pure > monetarily driven commercialism... snip... > My point? Energy, Community > and Creativity is what changes our culture for the better. > > I've gotta jump in here as well... Regardless of audience demographics, I've > found that meeting other musicians and creating community is really what > drives MY playing and motivates me. Dialog with your peers really brings a > sense of shared effort and minimizes the feeling of lonliness pervasive in > "unpop" culture. > > Many of us are lucky enough to be playing semi-normal sounding music which > somehow fits into an existing scene. What about those really wanting to > experiment? Push limits? Our audience is first and foremost our peers... > other players out there trying to have dialog with each other and learn from > each other. > > This same problem exists in radical free-improv music... the so called > "creative" music scene really has an intense, thriving worldwide community.. > certainly with a small devout audience... but more certainly fueled by a > commitment among the players to follow the creative impulse honestly **where > ever** it arises regardless of current trends and audience demographics... > It's been discussed to death recently over at the BA-NEWMUS list, and it's > apparent that REALLY going for it and doing whatever you really feel like, > is never going to appeal to large masses... It's too damned unpredictable... > but it sure is HONEST and because of that it gains a fanatically loyal > commitment by a core group of artists, and an ever growing group of > listeners. What's so awful about that? I'm proud to be "unpop"! > > Rick... > > Somebody once said that artists are the antennae of a culture, picking up > and/or creating the emerging trends before the sweep over the culture. I > agree. > > I've heard this said too... Thanks for reminding me of this Rick... I > completely agree also. > > Working together NOW... talking... playing... experimenting... learning... > All of this will inform our collective growth and make for a meaningful > dialog which will MAKE SENSE, in some way to listeners. We'll ultimately be > connected and not lonely anymore... or maybe we'll all be lonley together? I > can live with that! 8-) > > Anyway... I'm off MY soap box now as well... > > Best, > -Miko Biffle > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 16:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20128; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:35:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater hype evaporates Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:34:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Because we realized that it doesn't really exist. Yet..... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com Scott Winzinger wrote: > I use to see so much stuff regarding the new Repeater and lately > nothing. > > How can something be so exciting then so extinct? > > Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:02:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21209; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:59:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:59:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:05:06 +0200 From: David Subject: Re: so cal gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009801c06619$ec2d9640$301a07c4@david> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C0662A.AE884680" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com> <01b501c0654d$e993ab30$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C0662A.AE884680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so many = people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered kind = advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service like = this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i don't = remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a fuckload = of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit mon, you = know what i'm saying.=20 peace and out ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C0662A.AE884680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aha , this loopers delight thing is = getting better,=20 didn't know so many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those = who=20 offered kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription = service=20 like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i = don't=20 remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a = fuckload of=20 mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit mon, you know = what i'm=20 saying.
 
peace and = out
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C0662A.AE884680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:11:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21638; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQROg/lyAEYol9FmRIsCmdbpWDmEwIUKVKWH3c6eUNAbQtmoN9mPebtU2M= Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:07:32 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 Message-ID: <29325-3A3944A4-1006@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: SoundFNR@aol.com's message of Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:36:43 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy- So basically it would be easier, and less riskier to cue with a Teac 3340 than with a 2340? I would have to re-arrange the path of the tape every time I switched between play and cue? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:11:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21636; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:08:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <038801c0661b$b2aebc80$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com><01b501c0654d$e993ab30$080210ac@jpalmer> <009801c06619$ec2d9640$301a07c4@david> Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:17:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0381_01C065E9.5AD5A4B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C065E9.5AD5A4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, there's a lot of mail, but there's supposed to be a digest version = if you're that concerned about the amount of mail, i'm not much of a = looper myself (other than some software) I don't have the info for the = digest version, and i tried swapping to it, unsuccessfully, but i said = "the list is good enough, i'll just filter it".. Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so = many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered = kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service = like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i = don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a = fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit = mon, you know what i'm saying.=20 =20 peace and out ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C065E9.5AD5A4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah, there's a lot of mail, but = there's supposed=20 to be a digest version if you're that concerned about the amount of = mail, i'm=20 not much of a looper myself (other than some software) I don't have the = info for=20 the digest version, and i tried swapping to it, unsuccessfully, but i = said "the=20 list is good enough, i'll just filter it"..
 
Joshua
 
 
Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso
http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse = 8 Music=20 Project
http://www.egroups= .com/community/loopoftheday=20 - Free Loop Of The Day
http://www.egrou= ps.com/community/sampleoftheday=20 - Free Sample Of The Day
http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey<= /A> -=20 Personal Home Page
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 14, = 2000 4:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: so cal gig = spam

Aha , this loopers delight thing is = getting=20 better, didn't know so many people would reply the way they did, thanx = to=20 those who offered kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a = subscription=20 service like this and even if it was on the website telling me = about it ,=20 i don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i = get a=20 fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit = mon, you=20 know what i'm saying.
 
peace and=20 out
------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C065E9.5AD5A4B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22180; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: Welcome back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:09 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/14/2000 04:12:09 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow. A conversion. Next we just need a baptism of some sort. I don't know what sort of email client you're using (or if it's web-based or whatever), but I've got mine here at work and a home to automatically divert any mail with the text "looper" in the address, subject heading or body of the message to a separate folder "LoopMail." From there I can ignore it until I really feel like reading and it doesn't distract me from work, etc. Works pretty well, except when the reply address is not "Loopers-Delight@loppers-delight.com," as occasionally happens. I'd investigate your client and see if there's not an "agent" or "rules" function that can help you sort the deluge out. L Oh, and I'll see you guys in Austin if it ever materializes. You wanna ride together, Jim? David cc: Subject: Re: so cal gig spam 12/14/00 04:05 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit mon, you know what i'm saying. peace and out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22437; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:21:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:21:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2928@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:49:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aye! ah i live in austin but we can take a scenic stroll if need be. i'll be looping at the hideout theatre, downtown congress ave. on sunday dec the 17th from 7 to 9 for looping madness fyi. peace jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Welcome back Wow. A conversion. Next we just need a baptism of some sort. I don't know what sort of email client you're using (or if it's web-based or whatever), but I've got mine here at work and a home to automatically divert any mail with the text "looper" in the address, subject heading or body of the message to a separate folder "LoopMail." From there I can ignore it until I really feel like reading and it doesn't distract me from work, etc. Works pretty well, except when the reply address is not "Loopers-Delight@loppers-delight.com," as occasionally happens. I'd investigate your client and see if there's not an "agent" or "rules" function that can help you sort the deluge out. L Oh, and I'll see you guys in Austin if it ever materializes. You wanna ride together, Jim? David cc: Subject: Re: so cal gig spam 12/14/00 04:05 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit mon, you know what i'm saying. peace and out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:41:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23075; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:39:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:39:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:35:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/14/2000 04:35:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I kind-of directed the drive-with thing to Jim Palmer, who mentioned driving from Dallas. Unfortunately, I will not be in Austin this Sunday, but good luck with the gig and many happy returns to you (ha! a little looper-pun. "returns"? get it? hello...is this thing on?). L Jimmy George cc: 12/14/00 Subject: RE: Welcome back - Looping in austin 03:49 PM this sunday ... Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht aye! ah i live in austin but we can take a scenic stroll if need be. i'll be looping at the hideout theatre, downtown congress ave. on sunday dec the 17th from 7 to 9 for looping madness fyi. peace jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Welcome back Wow. A conversion. Next we just need a baptism of some sort. I don't know what sort of email client you're using (or if it's web-based or whatever), but I've got mine here at work and a home to automatically divert any mail with the text "looper" in the address, subject heading or body of the message to a separate folder "LoopMail." From there I can ignore it until I really feel like reading and it doesn't distract me from work, etc. Works pretty well, except when the reply address is not "Loopers-Delight@loppers-delight.com," as occasionally happens. I'd investigate your client and see if there's not an "agent" or "rules" function that can help you sort the deluge out. L Oh, and I'll see you guys in Austin if it ever materializes. You wanna ride together, Jim? David cc: Subject: Re: so cal gig spam 12/14/00 04:05 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da benefit mon, you know what i'm saying. peace and out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23090; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:40:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:40:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:36:31 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Tape Looping/Revox for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA22902 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com by coincidence...found this on the H.C., now you just need to find a second one. cheers, Tim Revox ½ track Recorder Asking Price: US$200 Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: Revox 1/2 Track recorder It is an A77...Works good buyer pays shipping and handeling from Cleveland. I send through Mailboxes etc. so there is no grief, I dont have means to package equipment...Serial# G 105169 Seller: Joe Cenzori, E-mail: ampy2000@earthlink.net (Profile) Location: CLEVELAND, OH Post Date: 12/9/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 17:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23353; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C292B@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: <5O0vyC.A.6rF.wzUO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com indeed!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 18:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24828; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:34:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:34:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:37:07 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016a01c06626$c5d3b3f0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i take it you are also from dallas? are you gigging here? > > I kind-of directed the drive-with thing to Jim Palmer, who mentioned > driving from Dallas. Unfortunately, I will not be in Austin this Sunday, > but good luck with the gig and many happy returns to you (ha! a little > looper-pun. "returns"? get it? hello...is this thing on?). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 14 23:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30441; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:33:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:33:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c06650$1d28bdc0$9d4e4018@cgws1.ab.wave.home.com> From: "Keith A.H. Smith" To: Subject: New Guy Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C06615.7075F960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C06615.7075F960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I can't remember how I found you folks. It might have been a link off = n-tracks site. I'm no looper, but I've been playing jazz guitar in = Canada for about 30 odd years (sic.) - mostly standards and the dreaded = bread and butter gigs. I recently heard Michael Ochipinti, a Toronto guitarist with his = quartet. Both he and his bassist Andrew Downing were creating loops on = the fly and over dubbing on them. It was all done with great sensitivity = -especially Downing who played probably the best bowed bass I've ever = heard in a jazz club-- and it really captured my imagination --(though I = could have done without the wangy arm distortion feedback thing between = the looped bits). So now I guess I'm hooked but I'm not to sure where to start. I didn't = get a chance to see what Michael's mess of pedals really consisted of. I was talking to the local music store about the Line 6 Delay Modeller. = Is that a sensible starting point for a guy on a budget? =20 I've already got a Teac A-3440, DBX 1066 Compressor, an old Yamaha SPX90 = (noisy!), a small Mackie board, and n-tracks, but for now I'm thinking = of something small and cheap that I can use on regular gigs while I = experiment. Also can somebody define the term looping for me - as you use it. I'm = just wondering where looping ends and something else begins. Does that = make sense? Thanks. PS. What a ton of mail! But it's fun, and I thank you for that too. ks Keith Smith ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C06615.7075F960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
I can't remember how I found you = folks.  It=20 might have been a link off n-tracks site.  I'm no looper, but I've = been=20 playing jazz guitar in Canada for about 30 odd years (sic.) - mostly = standards=20 and the dreaded bread and butter gigs.
I recently heard Michael Ochipinti, a = Toronto=20 guitarist with his quartet.  Both he and his bassist Andrew Downing = were=20 creating loops on the fly and over dubbing on them. It was all done with = great=20 sensitivity -especially Downing who played probably the best bowed = bass=20 I've ever heard in a jazz club-- and it really captured my imagination = --(though=20 I could have done without the wangy arm distortion feedback thing = between the=20 looped bits).
So now I guess I'm hooked but I'm not = to sure where=20 to start.  I didn't get a chance to see what Michael's mess of = pedals=20 really consisted of.
I was talking to the local music store = about the=20 Line 6 Delay Modeller.  Is that a sensible starting point for a guy = on a=20 budget? 
I've already got a Teac A-3440, DBX = 1066=20 Compressor, an old Yamaha SPX90 (noisy!), a small Mackie board, and = n-tracks,=20 but for now I'm thinking of something small and cheap that I can use on = regular=20 gigs while I experiment.
Also can somebody define the term = looping for me -=20 as you use it.  I'm just wondering where looping ends and something = else=20 begins. Does that make sense?
 
Thanks.
 
PS.  What a ton of mail!  But = it's fun,=20 and I thank you for that too.
ks
Keith = Smith
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C06615.7075F960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 01:24:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32529; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c0665e$8afbf160$67bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <009201c06650$1d28bdc0$9d4e4018@cgws1.ab.wave.home.com> Subject: Reply to New Guy--Where Looping Begins Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:16:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0661B.7BDCEC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0661B.7BDCEC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Line 6 Delay Modeller is a great choice for affordable looping, but = your Yamaha SPX90 (if it's the Mark II) has 2 seconds of delay, long = enough to build a phrase (albeit a short one). In my opinion, 2 seconds = is just about where looping begins. Where does it end? And something else begin? When your significant = other gets tired of it. Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0661B.7BDCEC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Line 6 Delay Modeller is = a  great=20 choice for affordable looping, but your Yamaha = SPX90 (if=20 it's the Mark II) has 2 seconds of delay, long enough to build a phrase = (albeit=20 a short one).  In my opinion, 2 seconds = is just=20 about where looping begins.
Where does it = end?  And=20 something else begin?  When your significant other gets tired of=20 it.
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0661B.7BDCEC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 01:27:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00328; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:26:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c06660$4ef75720$8028059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <009201c06650$1d28bdc0$9d4e4018@cgws1.ab.wave.home.com> Subject: Re: New Guy Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:28:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06636.65258A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-7ffU.A.f-H.7kbO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06636.65258A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Keith, The Line 6 is maybe the better choice for you, you can take a look at = the Akai Headrush (but most of us here don't put it on the same level). = What is great about the DL4 is that it can sounds like a couple of old = analog units and it does it pretty well for a "cheap" digital unit. If I = remember correctly, Bill Frisell (a jazz guitarist you might know if = you're in Jazz) actually uses 2 DL4s... But you can also loop with it, = which is great.=20 Personnally, I prefer older units, but it can be difficult to find an = old loop delay. Even after some good tries with the Headrush and the = DL-4, I'm not able to quit my good, old Deltalab's Echotron. I am maybe = only nostalgic, but if you find one of these, give it a try... They are = pretty cheap on the market today (around 100-150$). They do not have the = DL4's flexibility, but about sound,I find them 200% better. But it is = only my opinion. About mails, I was also a little "stunned" with it the first days, but = it is great... I love Looper's delight and my fellow loopers... pretty = nice people here! Look at the web site for more informations about the = different units on the market!!!=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keith A.H. Smith=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:33 PM Subject: New Guy Hello All, I can't remember how I found you folks. It might have been a link off = n-tracks site. I'm no looper, but I've been playing jazz guitar in = Canada for about 30 odd years (sic.) - mostly standards and the dreaded = bread and butter gigs. I recently heard Michael Ochipinti, a Toronto guitarist with his = quartet. Both he and his bassist Andrew Downing were creating loops on = the fly and over dubbing on them. It was all done with great sensitivity = -especially Downing who played probably the best bowed bass I've ever = heard in a jazz club-- and it really captured my imagination --(though I = could have done without the wangy arm distortion feedback thing between = the looped bits). So now I guess I'm hooked but I'm not to sure where to start. I = didn't get a chance to see what Michael's mess of pedals really = consisted of. I was talking to the local music store about the Line 6 Delay = Modeller. Is that a sensible starting point for a guy on a budget? =20 I've already got a Teac A-3440, DBX 1066 Compressor, an old Yamaha = SPX90 (noisy!), a small Mackie board, and n-tracks, but for now I'm = thinking of something small and cheap that I can use on regular gigs = while I experiment. Also can somebody define the term looping for me - as you use it. I'm = just wondering where looping ends and something else begins. Does that = make sense? Thanks. PS. What a ton of mail! But it's fun, and I thank you for that too. ks Keith Smith ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06636.65258A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Keith,
 
The Line 6 is maybe the better choice = for you, you=20 can take a look at the Akai Headrush (but most of us here don't put it = on the=20 same level). What is great about the DL4 is that it can sounds like a = couple of=20 old analog units and it does it pretty well for a "cheap" digital unit. = If I=20 remember correctly, Bill Frisell (a jazz guitarist you might know if = you're in=20 Jazz) actually uses 2 DL4s... But you can also loop with it, which is = great.=20
 
Personnally, I prefer older units, but = it can be=20 difficult to find an old loop delay. Even after some good = tries=20 with the Headrush and the DL-4, I'm not able to quit my good, old = Deltalab's=20 Echotron. I am maybe only nostalgic, but if you find one of these, = give it=20 a try... They are pretty cheap on the market today (around=20 100-150$). They do not have the DL4's flexibility, but about = sound,I find=20 them 200% better. But it is only my opinion.
 
About mails, I was also a little = "stunned" with it=20 the first days, but it is great... I love Looper's delight and my fellow = loopers... pretty nice people here! Look at the web site for more = informations=20 about the different units on the market!!! 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Keith = A.H.=20 Smith
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December 14, = 2000 11:33=20 PM
Subject: New Guy

Hello All,
I can't remember how I found you = folks.  It=20 might have been a link off n-tracks site.  I'm no looper, but = I've been=20 playing jazz guitar in Canada for about 30 odd years (sic.) - mostly = standards=20 and the dreaded bread and butter gigs.
I recently heard Michael Ochipinti, a = Toronto=20 guitarist with his quartet.  Both he and his bassist Andrew = Downing were=20 creating loops on the fly and over dubbing on them. It was all done = with great=20 sensitivity -especially Downing who played probably the = best bowed bass=20 I've ever heard in a jazz club-- and it really captured my imagination = --(though I could have done without the wangy arm distortion feedback = thing=20 between the looped bits).
So now I guess I'm hooked but I'm not = to sure=20 where to start.  I didn't get a chance to see what Michael's mess = of=20 pedals really consisted of.
I was talking to the local music = store about the=20 Line 6 Delay Modeller.  Is that a sensible starting point for a = guy on a=20 budget? 
I've already got a Teac A-3440, DBX = 1066=20 Compressor, an old Yamaha SPX90 (noisy!), a small Mackie board, and = n-tracks,=20 but for now I'm thinking of something small and cheap that I can use = on=20 regular gigs while I experiment.
Also can somebody define the term = looping for me=20 - as you use it.  I'm just wondering where looping ends and = something=20 else begins. Does that make sense?
 
Thanks.
 
PS.  What a ton of mail!  = But it's fun,=20 and I thank you for that too.
ks
Keith=20 Smith
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C06636.65258A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 05:45:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04185; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:42:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:42:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:40:55 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang Power Supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bret, hey, someone actually reads my posts. > Andy, > I disagree with your conclusion that using a dc source to an ac > (rectified) input of a device like the boomerang can possibly damage > the rectifier's diodes or that 'things will get a little hot'. > > As far as I know rectifier circuits and diodes are rated by max current > and max voltage, not power. Diodes will fail if you exceed their > current rating, or if you exceed their breakdown voltage rating. > I just checked, its average current and RMS voltage, for a rectifier. I think current is specified rather than the power in order to make design easier. (so we don't have to use P=IV) > At a given moment, half of the full wave > rectifier's diodes carry ALL of the current. When the phase of the ac > input changes, the other half of the full wave rectifier circuit > carries ALL of the current. So, each of the diodes in the bridge must > be rated to carry ALL of the current (plus margin). So each side of the bridge carries full current for half of the time, which means that the average current is half the full current. > The half wave rectifier is simpler. In this circuit the current flows > through the diode half the time when an ac voltage is applied. Actually current only flows for a small portion of the cycle, depending on the size of the reservoir capacitor. > When a 9v dc source is applied to the device's 9v ac (rectified) input, > the current through the rectifier is not increased (the device still > draws the same current), Thats right tho' , if there's a single bridge rectifier component it would have the same amount of power/heat to disipate,so should be OK. If there's discrete components for each half of the cycle, then with DC I/P one side has to take twice the expected current, so twice the power, so twice the heat. > On an anecdotal note, the Roland GR-09 guitar synth expects an AC > input, but I have used a DC input (inside a car) and not seen any > problems. Yes, and we've yet to hear any anecdotes along the lines of "I used a DC supply and fried my JamMan" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 05:48:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04250; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.d7ce002.276b4f38@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:40:56 EST Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Andy- > So basically it would be easier, and less riskier to cue with a Teac > 3340 than with a 2340? I would have to re-arrange the path of the tape > every time I switched between play and cue? Huh, did I say that? I have a 3340, its difficult to cue (as described). the 2240 is the same machine with smaller reals. Dennis Leas said his 3340 had a dedicated cueing function, which is what you want. Maybe they brought out two different models. Maybe Dennis had the 3440 (Dennis?). If you can, go for a Revox. Some of them have a built in edit block ..............and varispeed . andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 09:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07918; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d201c066a2$56d727d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <9e.d7ce002.276b4f38@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Maybe Dennis had the 3440 (Dennis?). I've been meaning to check. I think I still have the beastie over in a corner somewheres...I'll write a note to myself and check tonight (Friday). More news on Monday. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 10:14:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09021; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:11:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:07:19 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 12/15/2000 09:07:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i take it you are also from dallas? >are you gigging here? Yes, I'm from Dallas, but no, I've got no current gig. To tell the truth, I don't know that I'm ready to gig: I've just got into the wonderful world of looping and I find my rhythm sucks. Metronomic accuracy is suddenly much more important when you're faced with hearing your out-of-timedness over and over and over... What about you? Currently gigging? L jim palmer cc: Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin 12/14/00 this sunday ... 05:37 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht i take it you are also from dallas? are you gigging here? > > I kind-of directed the drive-with thing to Jim Palmer, who mentioned > driving from Dallas. Unfortunately, I will not be in Austin this Sunday, > but good luck with the gig and many happy returns to you (ha! a little > looper-pun. "returns"? get it? hello...is this thing on?). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 10:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09172; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005301c0665e$8afbf160$67bcd8cc@gary> References: <009201c06650$1d28bdc0$9d4e4018@cgws1.ab.wave.home.com> <005301c0665e$8afbf160$67bcd8cc@gary> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:09:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Reply to New Guy--Where Looping Begins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1235229511==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1235229511==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >The Line 6 Delay Modeller is a great choice for affordable looping, >but your Yamaha SPX90 (if it's the Mark II) has 2 seconds of delay, >long enough to build a phrase (albeit a short one). In my opinion, >2 seconds is just about where looping begins. >Where does it end? And something else begin? When your significant >other gets tired of it. >Gary Yes! And if you can pick up any used Digitech PDS/RDS series on the cheap, they make great learning tools. you'll probably want to move on to a bigger beast if ya like it, but a groovy learning curve and a helpful addition to any pedalbox. welcome...to gearhead country...feel the flavor... rich --============_-1235229511==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Reply to New Guy--Where Looping Begins
The Line 6 Delay Modeller is a  great choice for affordable looping, but your Yamaha SPX90 (if it's the Mark II) has 2 seconds of delay, long enough to build a phrase (albeit a short one).  In my opinion, 2 seconds is just about where looping begins.
Where does it end?  And something else begin?  When your significant other gets tired of it.
Gary

Yes!  And if you can pick up any used Digitech PDS/RDS series on the cheap, they make great learning tools.  you'll probably want to move on to a bigger beast if ya like it, but a groovy learning curve and a helpful addition to any pedalbox.

welcome...to gearhead country...feel the flavor...

rich
--============_-1235229511==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 10:24:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09294; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c066ac$300843f0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:31:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not gigging either, but if anyone's interested in gigging, you should check out DAM, Dallas Area Musicians. We're putting a CD together and stuff. We've had two showcases, and we have parties and stuff. It's a lot of fun. We swap gigs and etc. You can join the e/mail list @ http://www.egroups.com/community/MusiciansDFW and check out our website @ http://www.dallasareamusic.com Unfortunately, the mailing list is a little more active than the web page. Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin this sunday ... > > >i take it you are also from dallas? > >are you gigging here? > > Yes, I'm from Dallas, but no, I've got no current gig. To tell the truth, > I don't know that I'm ready to gig: I've just got into the wonderful world > of looping and I find my rhythm sucks. Metronomic accuracy is suddenly > much more important when you're faced with hearing your out-of-timedness > over and over and over... > > What about you? Currently gigging? > > L > > > > > jim palmer > om> cc: > Subject: Re: Welcome back - Looping in austin > 12/14/00 this sunday ... > 05:37 PM > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > i take it you are also from dallas? > are you gigging here? > > > > > > > I kind-of directed the drive-with thing to Jim Palmer, who mentioned > > driving from Dallas. Unfortunately, I will not be in Austin this Sunday, > > but good luck with the gig and many happy returns to you (ha! a little > > looper-pun. "returns"? get it? hello...is this thing on?). > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 11:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10938; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:42:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:42:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <384967533.976898452647.JavaMail.root@web569-mc> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Grasso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.19.163.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello All. I'm looking for something a little extra to color my guitar sound before it gets to my delay system and was wondering what all of you thought of these two units. I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit old and scratchy). Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range (US$150-200) Rich ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 12:15:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11735; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:11:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:11:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:08:05 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA11683 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich, Had a bud that used the Morley Pro Treadle Flanger into a DMM Together they were great! I have a Pro Treadle Flanger still I bought in the 70's and I'm not using it anymore if ya want to get it. Let me know, we could go off the L/D list with descriptions. I'll let it go cheep. Cheers, Tim >>> planet_three@inorbit.com 12/15 8:40 AM >>> Hello All. I'm looking for something a little extra to color my guitar sound before it gets to my delay system and was wondering what all of you thought of these two units. I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit old and scratchy). Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range (US$150-200) Rich ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 12:17:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11795; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:15:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:15:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:15:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Personnally, I prefer older units, but it can be difficult to find an old loop delay. I'll say. Here's a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo SRE-755. It's a tape delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be able to get tapes for it??? Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 12:29:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12248; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3A52CE.F3BC778B@magi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:20:14 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland was making graphite coated tape loops up until a couple of years ago. You can still find some shops that have them in stock, but they are few and far between. Another option is 8-track tapes, thats the only other tape I know of that is graphite coated.. Once and a while you can find an old abba 8-track that has bareley been used. You can get a couple of years out of one eight track. If you use regular 1/4 inch tape, it always gets stuck after a while. The graphite works best. cheers dave Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > >> Personnally, I prefer older units, but it can be difficult to find an old > loop delay. > > I'll say. Here's a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo SRE-755. > It's a tape delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be able to > get tapes for it??? > > Thanks, > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 13:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13430; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A397247.50C8@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:22:30 +0000 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@nh.ultranet.com Organization: curse of the chia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: free samples @ www.thejethros.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been lurking here for a while... there's some free samples here if anyone is interested (+ info on a cool pickup i found) http://www.thejethros.com/Pickups.html -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs... There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 13:34:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13664; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3A631A.8FD6B794@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:29:47 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For a little more than the Spacestation, you can get the Korg AX1000, which is also a very cool box. I've got the Korg AX30 and I love it. It's not as weird as the Spacestation, but it's a lot more programmable. Spacestation only has uneditable presets, but they are cool. Get both! All! Stuff! Mark Tim Sanz wrote: > Hi Rich, > Had a bud that used the Morley Pro Treadle Flanger into a DMM > Together they were great! > I have a Pro Treadle Flanger still I bought in the 70's and I'm not using it anymore if ya want to get it. > Let me know, we could go off the L/D list with descriptions. I'll let it go cheep. > > Cheers, Tim > > >>> planet_three@inorbit.com 12/15 8:40 AM >>> > Hello All. > > I'm looking for something a little extra to color my guitar sound before it > gets to my delay system and was wondering what all of you thought of these > two units. > > I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but > the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) > use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit > old and scratchy). > > Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range > (US$150-200) > > Rich > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 13:37:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13812; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2953@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man ... 2101! Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:04:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you like those space station sounds find a 2101 by digitech. it has ALL the cool digitech stuff AND is FULLY programmable! BOING!!! check ebay ... jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man For a little more than the Spacestation, you can get the Korg AX1000, which is also a very cool box. I've got the Korg AX30 and I love it. It's not as weird as the Spacestation, but it's a lot more programmable. Spacestation only has uneditable presets, but they are cool. Get both! All! Stuff! Mark Tim Sanz wrote: > Hi Rich, > Had a bud that used the Morley Pro Treadle Flanger into a DMM > Together they were great! > I have a Pro Treadle Flanger still I bought in the 70's and I'm not using it anymore if ya want to get it. > Let me know, we could go off the L/D list with descriptions. I'll let it go cheep. > > Cheers, Tim > > >>> planet_three@inorbit.com 12/15 8:40 AM >>> > Hello All. > > I'm looking for something a little extra to color my guitar sound before it > gets to my delay system and was wondering what all of you thought of these > two units. > > I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but > the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) > use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit > old and scratchy). > > Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range > (US$150-200) > > Rich > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 13:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13903; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:36:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <6iZEDD.A.tXD.cSmO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'll say. Here's a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo SRE-755. >It's a tape delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be able to >get tapes for it??? Try our old friend ebay. I just got some RT-1L tape for my space echo. (I don't think the RT-1L tape will work for any space echo over 555). Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 14:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14742; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001215190147.79305.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Alternate tuning chords list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There was a long discussion of alternate tuning at LD some time ago. But in the archive I cannot find anything about some kind of publicaton which would give a list of chords or so. Does anyone know if something like that was ever published? I am looking specifically for New Standard Tuning. I am trying to do one for myself (for 8 string guitar, with F bass string) and it would be helpful to have some sources. petr@tryi.com ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 14:35:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15236; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:33:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:33:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200012151931.LAA17079@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:32:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Au2JB.A.0tD.CHnO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i luv my space station if only for simplicitys sake-however, its in the shop for the second time since i got it :-( and as far as 'coloring my guitar sound', drenches is more like it!! ...stanner ---------- >From: Rich Grasso >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man >Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000, 9:40 AM > >Hello All. > >I'm looking for something a little extra to color my guitar sound before it >gets to my delay system and was wondering what all of you thought of these >two units. > >I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but >the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) >use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit >old and scratchy). > >Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range >(US$150-200) > >Rich > > >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 14:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15381; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:39:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:39:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001215193740.7944.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9vSE3D.A.rvD.DMnO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really dig my Space Station. I mostly use it for the volume pedal in solo looping, but I've started jamming with a bassist and drummer, and I'm finding cool uses for some of the other settings as well, especially the synth swells and the "Time Machine" forward/reverse rocker. I do wish some of the effects weren't so extreme - particularly the resonator/filters, and the sample/hold, which tends to drown out my original guitar signal (it won't replace a wah or autowah for functionality). Then again, I don't have the bills to pick up a 2120 to get at the programmability issue. You can find the Digitech stuff at decent prices on eBay and elsewhere, but I really recommend that you try a unit out before you buy - particularly this one, since the sounds are so extreme and idiosyncratic. -Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 15:06:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16177; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:04:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:04:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Alternate tuning chords list Message-ID: <0056910009283589000002L192*@MHS> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:05:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 12/15/00 13:57:43" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA16139 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com petr writes : >There was a long discussion of alternate tuning at LD some time ago. But in the archive I cannot find anything about some kind of publicaton which would give a list of chords or so. Does anyone know if something like that was ever published? I am looking specifically for New Standard Tuning. I am trying to do one for myself (for 8 string guitar, with F bass string) and it would be helpful to have some sources. petr@tryi.com ===== Try this link for New Standard Tuning : http://www.seattlecircle.com/gcwnews/gcwnews.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 17:15:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19991; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:13:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:13:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C066A1.7CB9E7E0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Space Station vs. Deluxe Memory Man Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:15:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I used to work with someone who had a DMM and I loved the sound of it, but > the Space Station also seems cool and a big plus is that I can (possibly?) > use it as a volume pedal as well ( my existing volume pedal is getting a bit > old and scratchy). > > Any thoughts? I'd also take other suggestions in this price range > (US$150-200) > If you can go the extra hundred dollars or so for a used Digitech 2120 and pedal, you'll have an absolutely sick amount of processing power; more than twice the power of a Space Station, and fully programable. There's enough power for 2 10 second loops, and functions for sampler, 'slo-gear' style reverse guitar, and much more. For any of you how already have one, or one of the other Digitech programmable units or pedals, (RP21, Valve-fx, JM-150) you owe it to yourself to get ahold of the RPEdit patch programmer. It's freeware, and very useful indeed. There was a new beta released last week (don't let the beta fool you - I haven't found any bugs yet). http://www.voyager.co.nz/~bjames/RPEdit.html bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 17:21:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20173; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:19:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:19:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009801c06619$ec2d9640$301a07c4@david> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130BF7@migarexch01.maritz.com> <01b501c0654d$e993ab30$080210ac@jpalmer> <009801c06619$ec2d9640$301a07c4@david> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:25:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: so cal gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Aha , this loopers delight thing is getting better, didn't know so >many people would reply the way they did, thanx to those who offered >kind advice. Much appreciated.Wasn't aware of a subscription service >like this and even if it was on the website telling me about it , i >don't remember . i'm going to not unsubscribe as even though i get a >fuckload of mail, which was my original concern, i can see da >benefit mon, you know what i'm saying. > >peace and out are you saying that this is really a friendly place? :-) Yes so, welcome to stay some more! what do you mean by: "i can see da benefit mon" please remember that there are non american speaking people on the list. Thank you. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 17:48:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20557; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:46:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:46:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:51:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's Jamaican, not American. pretend Bob Marley is saying it. kim -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] what do you mean by: "i can see da benefit mon" please remember that there are non american speaking people on the list. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 18:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21234; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.234] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: so cal gig spam Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:57:51 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2000 22:57:51.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[7393CB60:01C066EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com e questo è italiano..."posso vedere i benefici, mamma" ciao Italoop >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: so cal gig spam >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:51:49 -0800 > > >That's Jamaican, not American. pretend Bob Marley is saying it. >kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > >what do you mean by: "i can see da benefit mon" > >please remember that there are non american speaking people on the >list. Thank you. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 19:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22500; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:53:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200012152353.RAA02063@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA22065 Resent-Message-ID: <_aFnjB.A.AZF.yArO6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy a standard 1/4 inch tape and make a loop, there used to be new old stock replacement tape from roland but is getting really difficult to get them, it´s the same tape, and maybe a better quality as well. At 09:15 a.m. 15/12/00 -0800, you wrote: >>> Personnally, I prefer older units, but it can be difficult to find an old >loop delay. > >I'll say. Here's a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo SRE-755. >It's a tape delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be able to >get tapes for it??? > >Thanks, >Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:06:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25093; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:04:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:04:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: SoCal Steinberger repair Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:03:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 02:03:28.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[618B40A0:01C06704] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few months ago I purchased a used Steinberger GK4T (the Klein shaped Steiny)and it could definitely stand to use a nice set-up. However I am primarily a bass player and I don't know of any places to take so specialized a guitar and I don't want to take it to some chop-shop. Do any of you SoCal guitar loopers out there know of a good repair place to take a Steinberger? Preferably someplace with experience setting up a Trans-Trem and the zero fret has seen some better days so if they can do fret work on a pheno fingerboard that would be groovy too. Please help a brother out. Muchas Gracias -Skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 15 21:39:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25681; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:36:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:36:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:28:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: SoCal Steinberger repair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no idea of his Steiny experience, but Doc Pitillo in Fountain Valley has a great reputation for guitar repair. He's a custom builder as well, and his Gypsy and Recording King guitars are so beautiful you have to be careful not to drool on them. I've had all my guitars and bass worked on and set up at Doc's shop in the last 5 years. He's a purist at heart, preferring to do work on classic instruments and not too keen on mods, and he will bend your ear off with mind numbing details if you let him. Futhermore, you will need to hound him to get your axe back in a reasonable time...Want it in two weeks?...Tell Doc you have a gig the coming weekend and you must have your guitar. The work is all top-notch though, and Doc will be honest with you about working on the Trans-trem, whether he can do it or not. call information for Fountain Valley and ask for "The Guitar Doctor" He's on Euclid Avenue. rich side note to the above mention of 'mods'. Doc does do an extremely nice wiring mod for Les Pauls, making it have a single volume control, master tone, and two individual pickup volume controls. Nice way to get that pickup blend you like, then just have ONE control for the volume. ever try to do a smooth volume swell into your loop (on topic, yeah!!) with those two fricking volume pots on a Paul? argghhhh...where's my volume pedal, dammit? >A few months ago I purchased a used Steinberger GK4T (the Klein >shaped Steiny)and it could definitely stand to use a nice set-up. >However I am primarily a bass player and I don't know of any places >to take so specialized a guitar and I don't want to take it to some >chop-shop. Do any of you SoCal guitar loopers out there know of a >good repair place to take a Steinberger? Preferably someplace with >experience setting up a Trans-Trem and the zero fret has seen some >better days so if they can do fret work on a pheno fingerboard that >would be groovy too. Please help a brother out. > >Muchas Gracias > >-Skully >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 05:27:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02099; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001216102414.49714.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:24:14 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: I just scarfed up a used Oberheim Drummer for $63..... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com over at Zzounds! Are those looks of envy or mocking sympathy? I can never tell. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 08:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04677; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:59:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:59:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.e7fd678.276cc0d3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:57:55 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #408 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Maybe Dennis had the 3440 (Dennis?). > > I've been meaning to check. I think I still have the beastie over in a > corner somewheres...I'll write a note to myself and check tonight (Friday). > More news on Monday. Well I visited a friend last night, and saw (by chance) some old Teac Leaflets. The 3340S has the editing lever, which the 3340 does not. The two look very similar apart from the transport controls, which are all simple push buttons in the 'S' model, which has 'logic controlled' transport (=eats less tapes). Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 11:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08014; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:31:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:31:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c0677e$33ad27a0$502fd9c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <3A3A52CE.F3BC778B@magi.com> Subject: Re: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:19:21 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C0675A.6B4B7A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C0675A.6B4B7A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi list ! somebody can tell me the delay times of the old echoplex tape delay = units ??? thanks in advance ! julio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Where to Get Tapes for Old Tape Delays? Roland was making graphite coated tape loops up until a couple of = years ago. You can still find some shops that have them in stock, but they are = few and far between. Another option is 8-track tapes, thats the only other tape I = know of that is graphite coated.. Once and a while you can find an old abba = 8-track that has bareley been used. You can get a couple of years out of one = eight track. If you use regular 1/4 inch tape, it always gets stuck after a while. = The graphite works best. cheers dave Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > >> Personnally, I prefer older units, but it can be difficult to = find an old > loop delay. > > I'll say. Here's a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo = SRE-755. > It's a tape delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be = able to > get tapes for it??? > > Thanks, > Kevin ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C0675A.6B4B7A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi list !
somebody can tell me the delay times of = the old=20 echoplex tape delay units ???
thanks in advance !
julio
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From:=20 Dave =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 = 3:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: Where to Get Tapes = for Old=20 Tape Delays?


Roland was making graphite coated tape loops up = until a=20 couple of years ago.
You can still find some shops that have them = in stock,=20 but they are few and far
between.  Another option is 8-track = tapes,=20 thats the only other tape I know of
that is graphite coated..  = Once=20 and a while you can find an old abba 8-track
that has bareley been=20 used.  You can get a couple of years out of one = eight
track.

If=20 you use regular 1/4 inch tape, it always gets stuck after a = while. =20 The
graphite works best.

cheers

dave

Kevin = Mulvihill=20 wrote:

> >> Personnally, I prefer older units, but it = can be=20 difficult to find an old
> loop delay.
>
> I'll say. = Here's=20 a question: I have a very old Roland Space Echo SRE-755.
> It's = a tape=20 delay unit. Does anyone have ANY idea where I might be able to
> = get=20 tapes for it???
>
> Thanks,
>=20 Kevin
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C0675A.6B4B7A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 12:23:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09156; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:25:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: so cal gig spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That's Jamaican, not American. pretend Bob Marley is saying it. >kim :-) that does not make it easier to understand, but the italian translation did. ok, I may be a bit oversensitive with that language question... sorry. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > >what do you mean by: "i can see da benefit mon" > >please remember that there are non american speaking people on the >list. Thank you. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 12:40:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09442; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:38:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:38:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3B9AFE.35E8@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:40:30 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so cal gig spam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com its a phonetc of the rasta style of speaking i can see da benefit mon = I can see the benefit, man pretty common in the states From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 14:32:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12324; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:30:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:30:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3B51AF.D33870EA@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:27:43 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: SoCal Steinberger repair References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6IAbyC.A.OAD.RK8O6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not give Lorenzo at Klein a ring? Don't have the number off hand but should not be to hard to locate. Peter Underwood wrote: > A few months ago I purchased a used Steinberger GK4T (the Klein shaped > Steiny)and it could definitely stand to use a nice set-up. However I am > primarily a bass player and I don't know of any places to take so > specialized a guitar and I don't want to take it to some chop-shop. Do any > of you SoCal guitar loopers out there know of a good repair place to take a > Steinberger? Preferably someplace with experience setting up a Trans-Trem > and the zero fret has seen some better days so if they can do fret work on a > pheno fingerboard that would be groovy too. Please help a brother out. > > Muchas Gracias > > -Skully From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 16 15:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13993; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQwvPwc6tyG/K/dUm18LOsBu7qLdAIVALqa4t8X8s2ZJGibP4xe5EsMc1c7 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 Message-ID: <11137-3A3BCDEA-3881@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: SoundFNR@aol.com's message of Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:40:56 EST Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <3jNseB.A.aaD.p38O6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know which model has the built-in edit block and varispeed. Are all the Revox r-to-r's made for editing? I always see the A77 and B77 models on sale on ebay, are these made for editing? Thanks alot! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 08:56:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01902; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:54:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c0682f$e98da660$6eaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #194 (a week late!) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:47:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #194 December 7, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on Sequences Magazine compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was from issue number 21. Sequences Magazine http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#dec ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Free System Projekt & A Night at the Museum Okefenokee Dreams (Groove) Dave Brewer OZMA Beta Hydri A Hughe and Silent Place (Atomic City) Ashera Lullaby for Mother Earth Ambient Selections (none) 12:00 am VA [Bios] The Dark Journey Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Cosmic Hoffman] The Gate to Lahore Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Howard Armitage] Earthrise Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Howard Armitage] Peace Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Brian Hirsch] Black Spiral Vortex Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Jon Palmer] Between the Sun and Moon Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [A.D.S.R.] Analogue Sequence 1-2 Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Marcel Peelan] In Sync 3 Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Invisible Universe] Liberation Sequences No. 21 (none) VA [Robert Wittek] House of Spirits Sequences No. 21 (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on compilation CDs that come with each issue of Sequences magazine. This publication from the UK covers cosmic, experimental, synth rock, space rock, and ambient electronic music. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be from issue number 22. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 09:33:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02716; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:31:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c06835$3da73ea0$6eaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #195 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:25:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #195 December 14, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was from issue number 22. Sequences Magazine http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#dec ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Keller & Schonwalder Firewalker The Reason Why (Manikin) Klaus Schulze The Wings of Strings Contemporary Works (Rainhorse/ Manikin) Don Slepian Glimmerings Electronic Music from the Rainbow Isle (none) Fanger & Kersten Planet Intro Splashdown (Manikin) Fanger & Kersten Alien Vocabulary Splashdown (Manikin) Ashera In Fifth Densities Cobalt 144 (none) 12:00 am VA [Dogmatic] Dogmatic Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Kelvin Smith] The Last Sun Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Boddy & Reuter] Red Giant Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Nautilus] Deep Earth Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Glen Deardorff] Solo Ascent Part 2 Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Mooch] Blade Runner Extension Sequences No. 22 (none) VA [Char-el] Aurora Sequences No. 22 (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on compilation CDs that come with each issue of Sequences magazine. This publication from the UK covers cosmic, experimental, synth rock, space rock, and ambient electronic music. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be from issue number 23. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 11:42:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04967; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:41:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:39:59 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live gig info (OSAKA & KOBE,Japan) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Our next live gig info: 21 Thu Dec '00 TIMECONTROL vs THE PORT Live at OSAKA FANDANGO Performance: TIMECONTROL / THE PORT 1500/1800yen 7:00PM more info: FANDANGO http://www.fandango-go.com/ Tel: 06-6308-1621 TIMECONTROL is improvised electronic progressive band. http://cavestudio.xmit.org/TC/TC_about_E.html 29 Fri Dec '00 digital OBRATE Live at KOBE troop cafe Performance: Sunao Inami,Masato Kawatani & Masahiro Mizutani congerateuru and more.. 1800/2200yen 22:00 - more info: congerateuru http://www.zephyr.dti.ne.jp/~congera/doframe.html Sunao : Electronics, Masato : Guitar, Masahiro : Tabla. Rehearsal pictures and sounds available: http://low.cavestudio.org/ZEN/rehearsal20001213/ and, Our last gig pictures and sound is here: dalma.net 15 Dec. at Sonic Hall,Kobe,Japan http://low.cavestudio.org/dalma.net/official/ p.s. I joined "PPG UK Reunion" at Abergavenny,South Wales ,UK Pictures available: http://www.cavestudio.com/PPG/reunion/ Regards $B!!(BSunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 12:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06364; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:44:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:44:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11137-3A3BCDEA-3881@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <11137-3A3BCDEA-3881@storefull-247.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:50:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Do you know which model has the built-in edit block and varispeed. Are >all the Revox r-to-r's made for editing? I always see the A77 and B77 >models on sale on ebay, are these made for editing? >Thanks alot! I dont know about the A77, but the B77 has an input. You can either buy the remote control to it or just connect a potentiometer your own way. I did it once... A brilliant piece of swiss technology! :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 16:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11496; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:59:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Longhurst4@aol.com Message-ID: <76.6050bd8.276e82eb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:58:19 EST Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <6uRZeD.A.PtC.KkSP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 16:17:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12000; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Longhurst4@aol.com Message-ID: <99.e26cb59.276e86c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:14:41 EST Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 16:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12122; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:20:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:20:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c0686f$01dea180$0100a8c0@none> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <99.e26cb59.276e86c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:19:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please send your unsubscribe to loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 17:48:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14236; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:46:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007601c0687a$f72e9d60$8983abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: Paul Celan Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:44:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C06883.579A2C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C06883.579A2C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am sorry to disturb you with this, but I think I have seen somebody = saying something about german poet Paul Celan. if it was not on LD, please accept my excuses ... 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.f0d5511.276ec021_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 148 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_57.f0d5511.276ec021_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove me from your listings. Thank You....Joel --part1_57.f0d5511.276ec021_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove me from your listings.  Thank You....Joel --part1_57.f0d5511.276ec021_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 21:28:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19349; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:24:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:24:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: mastiff2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-From: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:23:34 -0800 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.47 Halloween Edition) Personal Reply-To: Jason Organization: 12 String Guitar INC. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <917896359.20001217212334@yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What is a "Tube Pre amp"? In-reply-To: <57.f0d5511.276ec021@aol.com> References: <57.f0d5511.276ec021@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Ok, I just signed up for the list. >From what I can tell this is about Effects and rack mount effects? If not, please let me know. My problem is that when I plug my acoustic guitar in to my computer soundcard, I cant get any real level with out real bad distortion and hiss. Would a Tube pre-amp give me gain? Right now I have the level going in my tape deck and then i use the gain knob and resend it to my computer. At the time, I chose not to buy a cheep mixer and rather get a tube pre amp. Below is the one I may get tomorrow or the next. http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/GFX_1_TwinTube-01.html Again, forgive me if I have the wrong mail list. -- Best regards, mastiff2001 mailto:mastiff2001@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 17 22:26:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20753; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:25:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:25:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c068a2$8d91b0e0$5628059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: "Jason" , References: <57.f0d5511.276ec021@aol.com> <917896359.20001217212334@yahoo.com> Subject: OT: Re: What is a "Tube Pre amp"? Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:28:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jason, the mailing list is about looping, not really about effects... so, you're a little OT (off topic) but I can answer you. The main problem must be the impedance, so you must put something that will change the impedance between your guitar and the computer. A tube preamp can be good but tubes add colors to your sound and if it is an accoustic guitar, it may be inappropriate... You can buy a good DI.. I can be wrong but I'm almost sure that it is an impedance problem.. > Hello > > Ok, I just signed up for the list. > From what I can tell this is about Effects and rack mount effects? > > If not, please let me know. > > My problem is that when I plug my acoustic guitar in to my computer > soundcard, I cant get any real level with out real bad distortion and > hiss. Would a Tube pre-amp give me gain? Right now I have the level > going in my tape deck and then i use the gain knob and resend it to my > computer. At the time, I chose not to buy a cheep mixer and rather > get a tube pre amp. > > Below is the one I may get tomorrow or the next. > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/DigiTech/GFX_1_TwinTube-01.html > > Again, forgive me if I have the wrong mail list. > -- > Best regards, > mastiff2001 mailto:mastiff2001@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 00:58:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24112; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:54:48 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Paul Celan Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200012180055_MC2-BF05-C49C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA24080 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Black milk of dawn ... Schwarze Milch der Frühe --- that´s how his most famous poem begins. It´s beautiful. Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26457; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:38:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012180729.FAA09525@todorov.uol.com.br> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:52:45 -0300 Subject: PJ from Brazil From: "Paulo Roberto Diniz Junior" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5pKmfD.A.LdG.s6bP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have some questions about my Cyberbass, could you answer me ? If yes I'll mail you with all my questions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 02:40:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26491; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:39:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:39:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012180731.FAA09839@todorov.uol.com.br> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:54:19 -0300 Subject: PJ from Brazil From: "Paulo Roberto Diniz Junior" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3059960059_724381_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3059960059_724381_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have some questions about my Cyberbass, could you answer me ? If yes I'll mail you with all my questions. --MS_Mac_OE_3059960059_724381_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable PJ from Brazil I have some questions about my Cyberbass, could you answer me ?

If yes I'll mail you with all my questions. --MS_Mac_OE_3059960059_724381_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 03:03:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27323; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:02:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c068af$2b7dbcc0$61d8b518@sxflls1.sd.home.com> From: "Malphaedrius" To: References: <57.f0d5511.276ec021@aol.com> <917896359.20001217212334@yahoo.com> <000d01c068a2$8d91b0e0$5628059a@hal> Subject: Re: Re: What is a "Tube Pre amp"? Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:58:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING this post is OT You never know recording your own samples may not actually be of topic. I'm just starting to play around with looping and what I can create with it (which usually just turn into 3-17 minutes of monotony) Right now I'm working with sequencing and looping before hand and just tweaking the various loops. I don't have the skill or equipment yet to do any interactive looping as of yet. But one thing that I have been doing is trying to record my own riffs and the riffs of my friends. fairly unsuccessfully I might add. can't seem to get any quality out of the process but I was wondering what kind of hardware I would need to sample my own instrument loops. Both instruments with output jacks and instruments needing a mic. I have all the instruments I need, all I need is a way to record them properly. Malthius Malphaedrius From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 04:35:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28670; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:34:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:34:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <11.d489404.276f33be@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:32:46 EST Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do you know which model has the built-in edit block and varispeed. Thats the PR99 mkIII, maybe other models as well > all the Revox r-to-r's made for editing? I always see the A77 and B77 > models on sale on ebay, are these made for editing? A77 .old model, most don't have 15ips, won't have varispeed unless it's been modified (quite common). B77 ...often used as an editing machine. I looked up Revox in the 1975 Hifi YearBook they were selling the "77 Series" then which doesn't look from the picture to be 'edit friendly'. I actually had an A77 for a brief time but can't remember whether it was OK for edits. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 06:10:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30093; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001218110741.1338.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:07:41 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: reason To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone already tested the software Reason? What do you think? Henrique ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 06:41:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30261; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001218112936.13451.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:29:36 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: Re: PJ from Brazil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PJ, Vi vc na lista Estou em BH e trabalho com música eletrônica. Sobre o Cyberbass nao tenho conhecimento, mas se vc quiser trocar informações sobre softwares e tecnologia aplicada na musica, me mande um e-mail. Um abraço Henrique Roscoe --- Paulo Roberto Diniz Junior escreveu: > I have some questions about my Cyberbass, could you > answer me ? > > If yes I'll mail you with all my questions. ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 10:09:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01394; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:07:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:07:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <065901c06903$fb5d7bc0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <94.d638188.2767a6e7@aol.com> Subject: The Prime Mover, the UniverseLoop, and Sustain (continued) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:05:36 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2NdFwB.A.QV.KfiP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found the most interesting bit/editorial here: http://wwwiz.com/editorial.html Go ahead, give it a read. Keep vibrating, everyone. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 11:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02378; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001218110741.1338.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001218110741.1338.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:57:08 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: reason Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, >Has anyone already tested the software Reason? >What do you think? > I used Reason our last live gig,15th Dec. RealAudio available,please visit to: http://low.cavestudio.org/dalma.net/official/ Reason is just new, I am not understand cooltips yet.. I will use Reason at 29th Dec in Kobe,Japan. http://www.zephyr.dti.ne.jp/%7Econgera/doframe.html Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 12:38:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04659; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:35:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:35:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E0250B6EA@ksopsitexng.intertec.com> From: "Zola, Joanne" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:33:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: phalen orion [mailto:phalen180@infin8ty.com] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe please send your unsubscribe to loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 12:39:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04737; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:37:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:36:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <3L2H8D.A.qJB.qskP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please send your unsubscribe to loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Zola, Joanne [mailto:Joanne_Zola@Intertec.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 9:34 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: unsubscribe unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: phalen orion [mailto:phalen180@infin8ty.com] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe please send your unsubscribe to loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 13:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06460; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:38:50 -0800 Subject: OT - Recording Software for Mac From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers Delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor is asking me because I am a "Mac person." -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07729; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:21:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:21:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:18:19 -0600 Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac From: keith rowley-yugen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goto VersionTracker.com (http://www.versiontracker.com/) and do a search for "audio recording". -- Keith Rowley-Yugen > From: "Allan Hoeltje" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:38:50 -0800 > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: OT - Recording Software for Mac > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:40:07 -0500 > > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." > > -Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:29:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07960; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:27:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3E64B0.55A19492@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:25:36 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac References: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're looking for multitrack recording and midi sequencing, check out Metro 5, by Cakewalk. It's a really great program, and uses the VST plugin standard. If you don't need audio recording, it will run in an SE-30! Much cheaper than a laptop. Mark Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:34:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08213; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:33:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:33:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:31:38 -0500 Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go here: http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Fi lter=MacOS&search=sound+edit On the high end is: http://www.motu.com/ _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:43:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08525; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:41:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:38:46 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200012181938.OAA23969@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." > > -Allan > If you are looking for a program to just record, edit and process sound files, the bexst I have used is SoundMaker. Look for it at http://www.micromat.com/soundMaker/index_soundMaker.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 14:56:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08891; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:53:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:53:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:52:54 -0500 Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200012181938.OAA23969@portal.studiodust.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another vote here for Soundmaker--great, and cheap too! David Lee Myers >> >> Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio >> to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time >> ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor >> is asking me because I am a "Mac person." >> >> -Allan >> > > If you are looking for a program to just record, edit and process sound files, > the bexst I have used is SoundMaker. Look for it at > > http://www.micromat.com/soundMaker/index_soundMaker.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09542; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:08:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3E6E1B.C6FA5DE6@cabq.gov> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:05:47 -0700 From: "Jason E. Fink" Organization: City of Albuquerque X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 33B Pitch Shifter Vs. SDE-1000 Delay References: <200012181938.OAA23969@portal.studiodust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greeting Loopers, So I finally decide that my Roland SDE-1000 Delay has been sitting around unused for far too many years and I haul the thing to the music store and see what I could get for it... "80 Bucks in trade," sez Mr Storeperson, "have a look around". Not much of interest until I spy a Digitech 33B. "Hmmm", thinks I, "I saw that beast on the David Torn video". So I walk out of the store with the 33B in tow, and my wallet only a tiny increment thinner. Unfortunately, it did not come with a manual, and I am pretty much confounded by the thing. It does seem pretty damn fun, but so far I have only figured how to negotiate the presets... that's about it. Can anyone help? I could use a xerox of the manual, or a PDF/Jpg/gif, or advice, or suggestions, or just about anything! Thanks! -jas Albuquerque http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09651; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:12:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3E6F4B.B3E4BEA6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:10:51 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I so like soundmaker for sample editing too. keith rowley-yugen wrote: > goto VersionTracker.com (http://www.versiontracker.com/) and do a search for > "audio recording". > -- > Keith Rowley-Yugen > > > From: "Allan Hoeltje" > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:38:50 -0800 > > To: Loopers Delight > > Subject: OT - Recording Software for Mac > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:40:07 -0500 > > > > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." > > > > -Allan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:20:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09779; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac In-Reply-To: <3A3E6F4B.B3E4BEA6@zerocrossing.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ANy one know where I can download a demo for sound maker ? I have sound effects, and that works great... seAN *-*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 220-4628 *-*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* For me, love must be ugly, looks must be devine and death must be beautiful. - Dali On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > I so like soundmaker for sample editing too. > > keith rowley-yugen wrote: > > > goto VersionTracker.com (http://www.versiontracker.com/) and do a search for > > "audio recording". > > -- > > Keith Rowley-Yugen > > > > > From: "Allan Hoeltje" > > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:38:50 -0800 > > > To: Loopers Delight > > > Subject: OT - Recording Software for Mac > > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:40:07 -0500 > > > > > > Can anyone here recommend software for the Macintosh that can record audio > > > to the Mac's hard disk? I seem to recall a discussion about this some time > > > ago but I did not pay attention since I was not interested. Now my neighbor > > > is asking me because I am a "Mac person." > > > > > > -Allan > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 15:37:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10146; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A3E6761.7E2E@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:37:06 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac References: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7n4ajB.A.CeC.0SnP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com almost all of the major sequencing/recording platforms have a mac version; emagic logic audio(many levels at dif prices) MOTU performer steinberg Cubase Opcode vision macromedia Deck contact me off list itf your friend is interested in a purchase From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14653; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:19:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: 33B Pitch Shifter Vs. SDE-1000 Delay Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:15:58 -0600 Message-ID: <01c06950$dcd1a1c0$f60d4f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason, I recently scored one of those sweet little 33B's for $80 some odd myself! Check out the Digitech website at http://www.digitech.com You can order manuals from them. Or just send me your address off-list and i'll send you a copy when they send me mine. -----Original Message----- From: Jason E. Fink > Can anyone help? I could use a xerox of the manual, or > a PDF/Jpg/gif, or advice, or suggestions, or just > about anything! > >Thanks! >-jas >Albuquerque >http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 18:25:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14722; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:23:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:23:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c06949$4f970400$8c83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <200012180055_MC2-BF05-C49C@compuserve.com> Subject: R: Paul Celan Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:15:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Black milk of dawn ... > Schwarze Milch der Frühe > --- that´s how his most famous poem begins. It´s beautiful. > Alessandro At least I've found someone else who loves his poems, but I also hope to find out a trace of what I have received,that I have surely erased from my pc (ouch !). The thought someone is doing something with (or through) his poetry, fascinates and interests me so much. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16221; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:10:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:10:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A3E6761.7E2E@bellsouth.net> References: <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:53:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >almost all of the major sequencing/recording platforms have a mac >version; > >emagic logic audio(many levels at dif prices) >MOTU performer >steinberg Cubase >Opcode vision >macromedia Deck Digidesign has a cutdown/free version of Protools 5 that is for the Mac. It has 8 audio tracks and 24 MIDI tracks, uses the inbuilt Mac sound hardware, and maybe other sound hardware as well. You may need a recent PowerMac/G3/G4 though, I'm not sure. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:25:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16639; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c06951$b1b3ec40$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <20001218110741.1338.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: reason Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:21:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's well done. It sounds EXCELLENT.. and it has a good 'real' feeling about it, working the mixer and plugging stuff in the back. The problem I have with it is that it's not really anything new, simply a lateral movement from studio gear to computer simulation. The synth is nord-y, the sampler is, well, a sampler, and so on. My favorite computer Apps are the ones that have no hardware counterpart. The ones that really inspire you to use a computer, rather than make it more convienient and/or cheaper. Just my opinion, hehe. > Has anyone already tested the software Reason? > What do you think? > > > Henrique > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! > http://mail.yahoo.com.br > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:36:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16843; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:35:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:35:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c06952$f36b3ca0$656ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <200012180055_MC2-BF05-C49C@compuserve.com> <007e01c06949$4f970400$8c83abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: Paul Celan Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:30:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <23Lku.A.3GE.N0qP6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tooting my own horn... The latest Intonarumori CD has the Paul Celan Suite that I wrote for two voices and small chamber ensemble in 1998 (much looping was involved). More info on http://www.intonarumori.com When I first read Celan I was struck by how haunting and penetrating his words were. Michael Nyman did an amazing job of setting Paul Celan to music on the CD he did with Ute Lemper. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Luca To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: R: Paul Celan > > > > Black milk of dawn ... > > Schwarze Milch der Frühe > > --- that´s how his most famous poem begins. It´s beautiful. > > Alessandro > > At least I've found someone else who loves his poems, but I also hope to > find out a trace of what I have received,that I have surely erased from my > pc (ouch !). > The thought someone is doing something with (or through) his poetry, > fascinates and interests me so much. > Luca > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 18 19:50:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17171; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:48:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:48:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001218194955.007b83a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:49:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <3A3E6761.7E2E@bellsouth.net> <200012181833.KAA22315@proxy2.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:53 AM 12/19/00 +0100, Simon wrote: >Digidesign has a cutdown/free version of Protools 5 that is for the Mac... >You may need a recent PowerMac/G3/G4 though, I'm not sure. And if ProTools Free is like ProTools LE (the next version up), you'll also need to make sure you've upgraded to OS 9. A friend of mine just switched from Cakewalk Metro to ProTools LE (as part of the digidesign Digi-001 package) and he's absolutely loving it. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 01:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24311; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:05:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:05:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <385004247.977205854055.JavaMail.root@web184-mc> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 66.20.68.188 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Isn't Deck a Bias product now? Like as in Bias Peak and Bias Deck. And is Opcode still around? I'm still trying to figure out what happened to them. Can you still get Opcode software? You might want to check out Steinberg products. They just released Cubase VST 5.0 which can record at 32-bits floating point and 96kHz. Also, they will be releasing Nuendo for the Mac soon, which has up to 200 channels and 8 speaker surround sound. But, Steinberg stuff tends to be more expensive than most of the others. Ben Porter. ------Original Message------ From: T To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: December 18, 2000 7:37:06 PM GMT Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac almost all of the major sequencing/recording platforms have a mac version; emagic logic audio(many levels at dif prices) MOTU performer steinberg Cubase Opcode vision macromedia Deck contact me off list itf your friend is interested in a purchase ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 06:19:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28768; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001219111635.4569.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:16:35 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: download reason To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FmJ1B.A.KBH.TO0P6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you know somewhere that I can download the full version of reason? ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 08:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30428; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11.d489404.276f33be@aol.com> References: <11.d489404.276f33be@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:09:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Tape Looping/Teac2340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Do you know which model has the built-in edit block and varispeed. > >Thats the PR99 mkIII, maybe other models as well > >> all the Revox r-to-r's made for editing? I always see the A77 and B77 >> models on sale on ebay, are these made for editing? > >A77 .old model, most don't have 15ips, won't have varispeed unless > it's been modified (quite common). >B77 ...often used as an editing machine. >I looked up Revox in the 1975 Hifi YearBook they were selling the >"77 Series" then which doesn't look from the picture to be 'edit friendly'. >I actually had an A77 for a brief time but can't remember whether >it was OK for edits. B77 is much better to access. And it sounds better and looks better and probably is cheap by now anyway... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 08:49:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31033; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:46:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:46:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:45:26 +0000 Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <385004247.977205854055.JavaMail.root@web184-mc> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Opcode are history and so is Studio Vision. I'd avoid Cubase if I were you, I had a lot of problems with it (as did a lot of people) it's best feature (vst plugins) are now available for any Mac DAW. I recommend MOTU Digital Performer, I find it to be the most user friendly and well thought out of the bunch, to run vst plugs you need to get Pluggo or Audio Ease's VST shell, also the Logic range is very good but a little more work to learn. Martin Shellard > > Isn't Deck a Bias product now? Like as in Bias Peak and Bias Deck. And is > Opcode still around? I'm still trying to figure out what happened to them. > Can you still get Opcode software? > > You might want to check out Steinberg products. They just released Cubase > VST 5.0 which can record at 32-bits floating point and 96kHz. Also, they > will be releasing Nuendo for the Mac soon, which has up to 200 channels and > 8 speaker surround sound. But, Steinberg stuff tends to be more expensive > than most of the others. > > Ben Porter. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 09:26:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31886; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c069c8$179fd3e0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <20001219111635.4569.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: download reason Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:26:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ftp.cubase.net Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrique Roscoe" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:16 AM Subject: download reason > Do you know somewhere that I can download the full > version of reason? > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! > http://mail.yahoo.com.br > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 09:46:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32258; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:44:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:44:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b201c069c9$334a3c60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <8e.e7fd678.276cc0d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #408 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_zwVKC.A.q3H.gQ3P6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Just got back to email today...I've been away for a few days... Yes! I dug out my old machine and it is indeed a TEAC A-3340S. That explains the extra lever! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #408 > > > Maybe Dennis had the 3440 (Dennis?). > > > > I've been meaning to check. I think I still have the beastie over in a > > corner somewheres...I'll write a note to myself and check tonight (Friday). > > More news on Monday. > Well I visited a friend last night, and saw (by chance) some old Teac > Leaflets. > The 3340S has the editing lever, which the 3340 does not. > The two look very similar apart from the transport controls, which > are all simple push buttons in the 'S' model, which has 'logic controlled' > transport (=eats less tapes). > > Andy Butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 19 17:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09537; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c06a09$e4f9cd00$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: Subject: [show spam] Hilflos Kind in Anaheim, CA - 12/23/2000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:20:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_5ZPdB.A.wUC.U39P6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My apologies for cross-posting, off-topic posting, etc. Please delete if you aren't interested and forward to event-friendly lists where welcome. I'm hoping that some people will be interested in coming out to hear me. I'm performing my first show as Hilflos Kind this Saturday, December 23, 2000 at the AAA Electra 99 Art Gallery in Anaheim, CA. DJ group Epselon 5 will also be performing following my set. My show will include use of live looping, some circuit bent toys, as well as processing of radio static and my optical theremin, Talking Tina. I will also be playing native american flute. The entire set will probably be about 30-50 minutes including improvisational as well as rehearsed pieces. AMBIENT STATIC ELECTRONIC RITUAL MUSIC hilflos kind with Epselon 5 "static noise layered with gutteral growls. the gentle meandering of flute that seems to call to indigenous souls of cultures past." -- last sigh magazine (http://www.lastsigh.com/ ) Audience participation welcome: bring a drum, kitchen appliance, kazoo, recorder, toy, etc. SAT 12.23.2000, 9 PM, $5 AAA Electra 99 Art Gallery Anaheim, CA http://www.hilfloskind.com/ for info/directions/sounds AAA Electra 99: 714.666.1805 Best, phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 00:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18071; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <385004247.977205854055.JavaMail.root@web184-mc> References: <385004247.977205854055.JavaMail.root@web184-mc> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:38:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0faHtD.A.IaE.OREQ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Isn't Deck a Bias product now? yes, but they dont develop it further, it seems. Exelent for editing. >Like as in Bias Peak and Bias Deck. I like Bias PEAK for mastering http://www.bias-inc.com/ -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 08:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25430; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:13:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:13:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:11:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: lexicon mpx-1 for sale or trade Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 168.28.48.116 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To All Who Care, I have an Mpx-1 Lexicon Processor for sale or trade fully programmable and midi capable-in mint shape- would love to trade for an sp808 sampler (i will chip in some cash as well) o.b.o love c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 20 11:13:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28803; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.27.144.160] From: "Alyosha Barreiro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Recording Software for Mac Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:08:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2000 16:08:52.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[2593C740:01C06A9F] Resent-Message-ID: <40_Ca.A.mBH.-mNQ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



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------=_NextPart_000_038D_01C06C1B.5DF18500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 12:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18466; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:45:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A440F32.20720AC4@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:34:26 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: {OT} peavey pc1600x sounddiver adaptation for you Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get it there http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html preset/scenes/globals Librarian scenes/globals Editor Happy Hollidays Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 17:13:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23684; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:04:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:04:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001222220337.28974.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Synth repair shop (link) To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, sh-101@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com goto: www.synthrepairshop.com for repair of anything analog. 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Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 17:51:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24591; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:40:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:40:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01af01c06c67$f8857120$0df0883e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: CENTROZOON : Xmas Update (Slightly Off-Topic) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a brief rundown of the most recent additions to CENTROZOON's new-look site @ http://www.centrozoon.de. (My apologies for any inadvertent cross-posting.) The (public) production of 'The Cult Of Bibbiboo' is further augmented by the addition of 14 new MP3's showcasing the latest mixes from producer Derek DiFilippo. Web visitors are still encouraged to voice their sentiments, and help in piloting Bibbiboo's unchartered course... Check out this 'secret' page:- http://www.centrozoon.de/bibbiriboo.html to discover how you can build your own Bibbiriboo, and enter the 'Covers' contest! (Visitors should be warned that the consumption of 'Sour Cream & Onion' Pringles is required, unless you own / or have access to a dog!?) * The Voice Of Bibbiboo - Just what does she sound like? Visitors need wonder no more following the inclusion of an intriguing new link, located on the 'Voice' page... * The Galleries - Register your preferred physiognomy for the 'divine beast' by choosing one of the six models on display. The people's choice will eventually grace the cover of this CD. (Voting will close on the 15th January 2001.) * Naming Contest - Check out the latest (MP3 / RealAudio) mixes, and submit your original titles... Winners will see their titles in print, as well as receiving a T-Shirt and 'Blast' CD. Entries have been somewhat scant to date, so you could be in with a fighting chance! (Please note that the closing date for this contest is 31st January 2001.) Sincere Christmas greetings are extended to all friends, and supporters of CENTROZOON, from Markus, Bernhard, and not least Bibbiboo herself. We wish you all a peaceful New Year... Regards, Lee Fletcher, (on behalf of CENTROZOON) http://www.centrozoon.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 22 23:08:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30539; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:57:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001219111635.4569.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001219111635.4569.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:56:41 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: live picts uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6WOOoB.A.ucH.BKCR6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, TIMECONTROL did live gig in Osaka 21th Dec, and I uploaded pictures. Please visit to: http://www.cavestudio.com/TC/ Merry Christmas!! Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 23 00:18:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32088; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:14:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4435F0.D6A351C1@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:27:35 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live picts uploaded References: <20001219111635.4569.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > TIMECONTROL did live gig in Osaka 21th Dec, and I uploaded pictures. > Please visit to: > http://www.cavestudio.com/TC/ > > Merry Christmas!! > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com thanks for the pics, sunao. merry christmas! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 24 12:22:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32049; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:16:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c06dcd$5796d580$c2cd0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:10:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C06DD4.C74A3F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C06DD4.C74A3F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas from Italy to all loopers worldwide. 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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C06DD4.C74A3F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 12:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12594; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 12:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 12:28:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:24:56 +0100 Subject: Meery Xmas From: Marco To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Merry Xmas & happy LOOP year! marco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 14:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14534; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A479CC0.78F3@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:15:13 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Meery Xmas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At my place: Tune "Little Drummer Boy" is shimmering from my EDP, giving a nice atmosphere as I dress for a Christmas Day ride on my bicycle. I've done the fifths drone with voice and synthy string, a bit o' bell, a hint of melody with mic'd flute, and a tiny touch of drums via DR-660. I'm not way up the evolutionary ladder on electronic know-how, but mmmm, this is nice! Thanks Kim, Matthias, et al! Whatever your nomination, have an adequate dose of music today! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 17:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17672; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:27:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Funkyboost@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:25:49 EST Subject: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play live i performed during one year with a 1040 ste on stage but i won't do this anymore... i bought the shaltwerk wich exceted me very much at the begining but that i can't take on stage because of its problems of sync .... don't tell me to buy a MPC 3000 i'm not rich enough of coourse i'm looking for the most interesting sequencer for live music i mean i want to play sequences live and have tha possibility of muting unmuting changing parameters loading sequences while playing i heard about different stuffs : ALESIS MMT 8 ,KAWAI X80 ,ENSONIQ ASRX ASRX pro,other new yamaha stuffs just let me know your oppinion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 21:08:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27133; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:04:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c06ee0$18317d00$dcaf1618@C961485B> From: "maugli" To: Subject: argh... my head hurts... Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:03:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "maugli" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy Italo and all, yeah, I've read all the posts at loopers-delight.com, and then some... Pitch shifting is VERY important to me, but for voice pitch shifting I'm thinking of using Digitech's Vocalist Workstation EX, for two simple reasons: 1. It can do a crowd of colored girls' background with this thingie (I've tried) and 2. I already have it. BUT, I also want screaming, crying, hysterically bitching and emotionally out of control guitar sound, and I was hoping to dig it out from two Pulsar I cards in a PC box. After some fooling around with the dedicated Pulsar (2x & linked) box, I'm beginning to have some serious doubts about achieving that with the Creamware stuff. It's unreal (great) for synths, though... Right now I am killing myself over two alternatives for the guitar sound I hear CLEARLY in my head, but cannot deliver it into a real world. Should I try Capybara 320/Kyma, with it's (possibly) 8 ins/outs (which is a BIG +), or should I shoot for DSP7000...? Orville, as much as I love what I hear about it, is out of my reach within a reasonable amount of time, so it really is C230K vs. DSP7k struggle. I'm not asking you to make decision for me, I would probably hafta kill you later if *WE* was wrong... hehehe Just in your opinion: which would be better to achieve this ordinary-woman-behavior-guitar-sound, C230K or DSP7k ? Quite recently I was bidding on DSP4000 at E-bay, but due to a continuous self-education, I was really happy to be outbid by some other guy and (with the newly acquired knowledge about DSP7k - RTFM) didn't event think about challenging him. And on top of it, after that auction I found about C230k... God, I hate them at symbolicsound.com, life used to be so simple... Anyway, things went rather well at E-bay, I didn't get the DSP4k (hehe) and I got the additional time to realize, that anything below C230K or DSP7k is.. well... unacceptable. I'm a house rat, meaning I will never do live gigs, thus being tied up to a PC box is not a bother to me. That would count toward C230K. However, that screaming, crying, hysterically bitching and emotionally out of control guitar sound is something I MUST have, and I'm not sure if C230K can deliver. What do you think? thx Jara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 22:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30492; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001226033407.26277.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like my Roland MC-80 - 16 tracks with mute and solo for each. i haven't used it for live work, but others at the egroups discussion group have. It supports creation of live loops to some extent. Check out the discussion group archives at http://www.egroups.com/group/MC-80 stephen -- Funkyboost@aol.com wrote: > i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play > live > of coourse i'm looking for the most interesting > sequencer for live music > i mean i want to play sequences live and have tha > possibility of muting > unmuting > changing parameters loading sequences while playing ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 25 23:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00335; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:30:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001226033407.26277.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001226033407.26277.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:30:34 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Akai MPC2000XL would be my choice, 64 MIDI/sampler tracks, muting of sixteen on one screen at a time with the drum pads, naming of tracks, built in sampler, etc. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >I like my Roland MC-80 - 16 tracks with mute and solo >for each. i haven't used it for live work, but others >at the egroups discussion group have. It supports >creation of live loops to some extent. Check out the >discussion group archives at > >http://www.egroups.com/group/MC-80 > >stephen > > >-- Funkyboost@aol.com wrote: >> i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play >> live >> of coourse i'm looking for the most interesting >> sequencer for live music >> i mean i want to play sequences live and have tha >> possibility of muting >> unmuting > > changing parameters loading sequences while playing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 05:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07043; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.180.113] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: argh... my head hurts... Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:49:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2000 10:49:35.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[8930E880:01C06F29] Resent-Message-ID: <-2y8r.A.stB.cfHS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello JARA no doubt about the choice, Eventide or(and) Kyma!!! I would consider Orville for its double dsp power, 8ins/8outs and quad audio modules, like mixers, etc. PITCH SHIFTING: NO WAY!!! Eventide has the best! Don't even consider Digitech toys:once you'll hear it everything will sound different for your ears. New software V2.705 allows Orville to have 24 voices of chromatic, diatonic or reverse shifting, with 2 seconds delay each!!! Building a patch matrix with delays users can add even more delay to them!!! Sound quality is PRISTINE CLEAR ! ! ! No HopE elsewhere. Kyma is a monster workstation!!! Great at any kind of Synthesis and sampling...love its granular synthesis!!! If you need hi quality verbs it could be a long thing to do though and I'm not sure if you can get the same Orville's quality. But still we're talking GREAT systems! If you work at home Kyma can be a pleasure...I wouldn't dare to go LIVE with it! Orville gives you more REAL TIME approach to everything. With Kyma it seems you have to plan things more ahead of time. Still Kyma can do things that Orville DOESN'T KNOW at all! Choice depends on your working way and feeling for the 2 different systems. I wish I had both! If I had them, still I would go live ONLY with Orville. You can do extensive vocals and gtr processing at the same time with it, no problem! You can even superimpose aspects of one audio source on the other, interactive processing...Kyma does that too and much more. I don't know about preamps! I love what you can do with Orville and I'd like to know more about it from Kyma users! Lucky you didn't get a DSP4000! It's a great unit! I worked with it for 5 years but today it just won't fit more extended and experimental uses & abuses. The gtr sound you heard in my mp3 is a crunchy preamp into a pitch shifter with an lfo controlling pitch vibrato, switched by a footcontroller...gtr is played wit E-bow. All in 1 dsp Orville, working at about 35% of its total power!!! Huge room for more activity. ciao Italo >From: "maugli" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: argh... my head hurts... >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:03:51 -0700 > >Howdy Italo and all, > >yeah, I've read all the posts at loopers-delight.com, and then some... >Pitch >shifting is VERY important to me, but for voice pitch shifting I'm >thinking >of using Digitech's Vocalist Workstation EX, for two simple reasons: 1. It >can do a crowd of colored girls' background with this thingie (I've tried) >and 2. I already have it. BUT, I also want screaming, crying, hysterically >bitching and emotionally out of control guitar sound, and I was hoping to >dig it out from two Pulsar I cards in a PC box. After some fooling around >with the dedicated Pulsar (2x & linked) box, I'm beginning to have some >serious doubts about achieving that with the Creamware stuff. It's unreal >(great) for synths, though... >Right now I am killing myself over two alternatives for the guitar sound I >hear CLEARLY in my head, but cannot deliver it into a real world. Should I >try Capybara 320/Kyma, with it's (possibly) 8 ins/outs (which is a BIG +), >or should I shoot for DSP7000...? Orville, as much as I love what I hear >about it, is out of my reach within a reasonable amount of time, so it >really is C230K vs. DSP7k struggle. I'm not asking you to make decision for >me, I would probably hafta kill you later if *WE* was wrong... hehehe Just >in your opinion: which would be better to achieve this >ordinary-woman-behavior-guitar-sound, C230K or DSP7k ? >Quite recently I was bidding on DSP4000 at E-bay, but due to a continuous >self-education, I was really happy to be outbid by some other guy and (with >the newly acquired knowledge about DSP7k - RTFM) didn't event think about >challenging him. And on top of it, after that auction I found about >C230k... >God, I hate them at symbolicsound.com, life used to be so simple... Anyway, >things went rather well at E-bay, I didn't get the DSP4k (hehe) and I got >the additional time to realize, that anything below C230K or DSP7k is.. >well... unacceptable. >I'm a house rat, meaning I will never do live gigs, thus being tied up to a >PC box is not a bother to me. That would count toward C230K. However, that >screaming, crying, hysterically bitching and emotionally out of control >guitar sound is something I MUST have, and I'm not sure if C230K can >deliver. What do you think? > >thx > >Jara > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 13:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14827; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:00:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:58:27 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-XaM3-API-Version: 1.1.9.1.31 X-SenderIP: 151.21.175.168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA14372 Resent-Message-ID: <-Q9DIC.A.vgD.7wNS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been using an mc303 as a sequencer, but i found it a bit a shame. Great percussive sounds, but an horrible programming section. Now I've got a Miditemp Mp88, which is a midi sequencer, plus a midi matrix patch bay with 8 midi I/O, you can do almost with it, plus in one of its newest incarnations, the MP88W you have the possibility of an internal wavetable, with stereo in and outs.It has a floppy and internal/external SCSI for Hard Disks, plus miditemp has created a program for Win95, 98 etc. to program it via computer. It is fully compatible with midi files, and the 8 ins and the 8 outs are totally independent one from the other. Plus you get a remote controller, with which you can open or close every iin or out in real time, just pressing a pair of buttons. The routing can be independent from the files you send, and it can store in memory up to 128 matrix configurations. Resolution is higher than some software sequencers. If you can, give it a try. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? > i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play live > i performed during one year with a 1040 ste on stage but i won't do this > anymore... > i bought the shaltwerk wich exceted me very much at the begining but that i > can't > take on stage because of its problems of sync .... > don't tell me to buy a MPC 3000 i'm not rich enough > of coourse i'm looking for the most interesting sequencer for live music > i mean i want to play sequences live and have tha possibility of muting > unmuting > changing parameters loading sequences while playing > i heard about different stuffs : > ALESIS MMT 8 ,KAWAI X80 ,ENSONIQ ASRX ASRX pro,other new yamaha stuffs > just let me know your oppinion > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 14:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16197; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A48EA00.573BC4D5@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:57:04 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play live > > i bought the shaltwerk wich exceted me very much at the begining but > that I can't take on stage because of its problems > of sync .... I'm very curious to know what sync problems you are having with the Doepfer Shaltwerk. That machine is a top of the line integrated live sequencer and quite frankly I don't know of any other midi or CV sequencer that has that much live tweakable control in it. In the US they are not cheap and I've never heard from any user about any sync problems. Given what you must have paid for it I'd seriously look into why you are experiencing problems with it before I went out and bought another machine. It could be malfunctioning or you could have it set up wrong but either way you owe it to yourself to look into using that fabulous machine before dumping it. I know many serious synth musicians who swear that is one of the best live sequencers around and then do all sorts of syncing via midi, CV/gate triggering, etc as well as slaving other machines to the Shaltwerk. In other sequencers on the low end I've used an Alessis MMT8 and Kawaii Q80 extensively. I wrote a comparison between the two here: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/mmt8.htm which should give you some ideas on the features and live use. These days I mostly use machines with integrated sequencers or arpeggiators in them. The Korg ER1 drum machine has the classic roland X0X style 16 step programming systems as well as some amazing internal sounds. The MAM SQ16 also has this and is a stand alone midi sequencer which might be worth a look. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 14:49:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17180; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:41:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:41:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A48F3CD.FC30E8CC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:38:53 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? References: <3A48EA00.573BC4D5@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's an alternative solution: The Macintosh SE-30. With some inexpensive shareware midi sequencing software and a serial to midi converter, you can do a lot with one of these. The great thing is that they're practically free. (Some one gave me mine, but I've seen them go for $5-10 dollars) For MIDI apps, you really don't need anymore, and they look great on stage. Very Kraftwerk. Mark Legion wrote: > > > i'm planning to buy a hardware sequencer to play live > > > > i bought the shaltwerk wich exceted me very much at the begining but > > that I can't take on stage because of its problems > of sync .... > > I'm very curious to know what sync problems you are having with the Doepfer > Shaltwerk. That machine is a top of the line integrated live sequencer and > quite frankly I don't know of any other midi or CV sequencer that has that > much live tweakable control in it. In the US they are not cheap and I've > never heard from any user about any sync problems. Given what you must have > paid for it I'd seriously look into why you are experiencing problems with > it before I went out and bought another machine. It could be malfunctioning > or you could have it set up wrong but either way you owe it to yourself to > look into using that fabulous machine before dumping it. I know many serious > synth musicians who swear that is one of the best live sequencers around and > then do all sorts of syncing via midi, CV/gate triggering, etc as well as > slaving other machines to the Shaltwerk. > > In other sequencers on the low end I've used an Alessis MMT8 and Kawaii Q80 > extensively. I wrote a comparison between the two here: > http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/mmt8.htm which should give you some ideas on > the features and live use. > > These days I mostly use machines with integrated sequencers or arpeggiators > in them. The Korg ER1 drum machine has the classic roland X0X style 16 step > programming systems as well as some amazing internal sounds. The MAM SQ16 > also has this and is a stand alone midi sequencer which might be worth a > look. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 15:19:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18348; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:16:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:16:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:13:05 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance (Cambridge, MA) Thursday 12.28.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. I'll be doing video improvisations with the band Urban Ambience at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge on Thursday evening. This concludes a series of performances that have been artistically rewarding for myself and the band. I hope some of you can make it. From the Urban's announcement Urban Ambience will conclude their 1/2 year monthly residency at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge (Last Thursday of every month) on Dec. 28th. Joining Urban Ambience (Chuck U., Michael Bloom and Bob McCloskey) will be Mr. Curt on guitar and e-bow.. Also live video art by Dr. T (Emile Tobenfeld) and photo-slides by Chuck & Di. Urban Ambience will begin their extended set at 9:15pm Prior to their performance will be a screening of short films by underground Cezch film maker and performance artist, Milan Kohout. Zeitgeist Gallery is located 312 Broadway at the corner of Norfolk St. in Cambridge, near Central and Inman Sqs. Please call 617-623-1065 for directions and more information. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 19:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24513; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:51:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:51:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.234.189] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping IN europe Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:49:01 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2000 23:49:01.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C1818F0:01C06F96] Resent-Message-ID: <0upDLB.A.C-F.I6SS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Looptatsic Sages, I am 18 and I have decided to sell abunch of stuuf and go to europe for as long as I can afford and kick it loopin improv style when ever and wherever I can. I would like some input on taking gear on the road, european loop/music experiences, places to play/pan handel, free street coner shows borrowed cafe extension cord style, power supplies for euro, or any other tools, tips, or ideas you could give me. One of the major themes of this trip is to make it a complete exercise in improvisation. I only speak english and spanish so that will make being in countries that dont speak those languages intersting. I think I want to fly into paris unless there is a reason not to. About all travel preparation that I will have is 500$ and a lets go book. Here is the gear I am takin\ (18) space shock mounted rack (2) edps (prolly in stereo or with onefoot foot controller connnected to both with an a/b switch? Also may add ev-5's) (1) electrix filter factory with to cv pedals (1) lexicon vortex with foot switches and expession pedal (1) fostex 2016 line mixer( with 4 aux sends) (1) Dl4 (mabey with expression pedal mabey not) (1) Wh-1 whammy pedal Original(perhaps) (1) Eh Micro synth (1) Modded wha (1) Boss dist feedbacker I feel like I will want all the pedals mounted on a board that will fit in and out of a rack drawer, or mabey have all the fx pedals attached to a rack drawer that they live in and have the expression pedals on a borad that cam be removed a nd plced on the ground in a nother rack drawer? For guitar I have an early g&l pawn shop geetar that I would not be too heart broken if she dont survive the trip. ANy way She's got an A bass geetar a string on top, and will be protected only buy my wits and a $19.95 gig bag I was thinking about having a totally stereo path after all my mono fx and star at the stereo out of the dl4. Somthing like Dl4----->Mixer (mabey get 2 2016's so I can have but all my stereo fx in the aux sends and do feedback as well as being able to put my stereo fx in any order) Edp s in one aux,vortex in one aux , and filter fact in one aux, and then send the whole she-bang out to 2 gibson Skylarks( they live in the unused space at the bottom of my rack) I know this rig seems a little complicated but the reduced rig was microsynht--->whmmy---> dl4 1 skylark but then I have to carry them all individually instead on one big shock mounted box on casters. I feel like the best plan is to put my bbb(big bad box) in an airport locker and scope the scene out then comeback and get it? no? Beside the BBB I am just going to have a book bag type back-pack with 2-3 changes of clothes and 2 econo chef boyardee ravioli cans in case the goin gets tuff(they might also be in rack) A NOTe TO KIM OR MAttiIAS G: Are x-rays bad for edps? Thanks in advance for your help, Jeremiah _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 26 19:13:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25909; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:10:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:10:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c06f99$8843d480$358e353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Cc: "loopers delight" Subject: Re: Looping IN europe Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:11:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just out of curiosity, where do you live now? Are you aware of the voltage difference between europe and the rest of the world? (220v) -----Original Message----- From: George Washington To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: Looping IN europe > >Hello Looptatsic Sages, >I am 18 and I have decided to sell abunch of stuuf and go to europe for as >long as I can afford and kick it loopin improv style when ever and wherever >I can. I would like some input on taking gear on the road, european >loop/music experiences, places to play/pan handel, free street coner shows >borrowed cafe extension cord style, power supplies for euro, or any other >tools, tips, or ideas you could give me. >One of the major themes of this trip is to make it a complete exercise in >improvisation. I only speak english and spanish so that will make being in >countries that dont speak those languages intersting. I think I want to fly >into paris unless there is a reason not to. About all travel preparation >that I will have is 500$ and a lets go book. >Here is the gear I am takin\ >(18) space shock mounted rack >(2) edps (prolly in stereo or with onefoot foot controller connnected to >both with an a/b switch? Also may add ev-5's) >(1) electrix filter factory with to cv pedals > (1) lexicon vortex with foot switches and expession pedal > (1) fostex 2016 line mixer( with 4 aux sends) >(1) Dl4 (mabey with expression pedal mabey not) >(1) Wh-1 whammy pedal Original(perhaps) >(1) Eh Micro synth > (1) Modded wha >(1) Boss dist feedbacker > I feel like I will want all the pedals mounted on a board that will fit >in and out of a rack drawer, or mabey have all the fx pedals attached to a >rack drawer that they live in and have the expression pedals on a borad >that cam be removed a nd plced on the ground in a nother rack drawer? > For guitar I have an early g&l pawn shop geetar that I would not be too >heart broken if she dont survive the trip. ANy way She's got an A bass >geetar a string on top, and will be protected only buy my wits and a $19.95 >gig bag > I was thinking about having a totally stereo path after all my mono fx >and star at the stereo out of the dl4. Somthing like Dl4----->Mixer (mabey >get 2 2016's so I can have but all my stereo fx in the aux sends and do >feedback as well as being able to put my stereo fx in any order) Edp s in >one aux,vortex in one aux , and filter fact in one aux, and then send the >whole she-bang out to 2 gibson Skylarks( they live in the unused space at >the bottom of my rack) > I know this rig seems a little complicated but the reduced rig was >microsynht--->whmmy---> dl4 1 skylark but then I have to carry them all >individually instead on one big shock mounted box on casters. >I feel like the best plan is to put my bbb(big bad box) in an airport locker > and scope the scene out then comeback and get it? no? >Beside the BBB I am just going to have a book bag type back-pack with 2-3 >changes of clothes and 2 econo chef boyardee ravioli cans in case the goin >gets tuff(they might also be in rack) >A NOTe TO KIM OR MAttiIAS G: >Are x-rays bad for edps? >Thanks in advance for your help, >Jeremiah > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 02:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05628; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:06:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:04:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping IN europe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:49 PM -0800 12/26/00, George Washington wrote: >Are x-rays bad for edps? no. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 10:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13575; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:30:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:30:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c07019$f024a2c0$0200a8c0@pandora.be> From: "Thys NV" To: Subject: oberheim echoplex Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:30:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C07022.51A5E740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9sJUVC.A.kTD.tqgS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C07022.51A5E740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo, I'm now searching for a year to get a new oberheim echoplex digital pro = III . 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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C07022.51A5E740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 10:41:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13863; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:36:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Funkyboost@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:35:41 EST Subject: Re: what is your favorite hardaware sequencer????????? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're right it seems to be a hardware problem with the shaltwerk i'm gonna send it back to doepfer... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 14:23:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19059; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:18:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0703a$37196880$d4926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping IN europe Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:54:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, 18u of rack is not going to be very portable - can't you just take an edp and a portable combo ? What happens for instance if you get moved on by less than friendly police ? Nice idea though - good luck. Gareth > Here is the gear I am takin\ > (18) space shock mounted rack > (2) edps (prolly in stereo or with onefoot foot controller connnected to > both with an a/b switch? Also may add ev-5's) > (1) electrix filter factory with to cv pedals > (1) lexicon vortex with foot switches and expession pedal > (1) fostex 2016 line mixer( with 4 aux sends) > (1) Dl4 (mabey with expression pedal mabey not) > (1) Wh-1 whammy pedal Original(perhaps) > (1) Eh Micro synth > (1) Modded wha > (1) Boss dist feedbacker > I feel like I will want all the pedals mounted on a board that will fit > in and out of a rack drawer, or mabey have all the fx pedals attached to a > rack drawer that they live in and have the expression pedals on a borad > that cam be removed a nd plced on the ground in a nother rack drawer? > For guitar I have an early g&l pawn shop geetar that I would not be too > heart broken if she dont survive the trip. ANy way She's got an A bass > geetar a string on top, and will be protected only buy my wits and a $19.95 > gig bag > I was thinking about having a totally stereo path after all my mono fx > and star at the stereo out of the dl4. Somthing like Dl4----->Mixer (mabey > get 2 2016's so I can have but all my stereo fx in the aux sends and do > feedback as well as being able to put my stereo fx in any order) Edp s in > one aux,vortex in one aux , and filter fact in one aux, and then send the > whole she-bang out to 2 gibson Skylarks( they live in the unused space at > the bottom of my rack) > I know this rig seems a little complicated but the reduced rig was > microsynht--->whmmy---> dl4 1 skylark but then I have to carry them all > individually instead on one big shock mounted box on casters. > I feel like the best plan is to put my bbb(big bad box) in an airport locker > and scope the scene out then comeback and get it? no? > Beside the BBB I am just going to have a book bag type back-pack with 2-3 > changes of clothes and 2 econo chef boyardee ravioli cans in case the goin > gets tuff(they might also be in rack) > A NOTe TO KIM OR MAttiIAS G: > Are x-rays bad for edps? > Thanks in advance for your help, > Jeremiah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 14:29:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19276; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:25:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:25:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001227142257.009ec530@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert:tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:25:53 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: headrush juice query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9TQG1C.A.CtE.EIkS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

hello you headrushists:

can any of yall please confirm for me the power specs for the headrush? i want to get a backup power supply and don't have mine to hand. i need to know voltage, milliamperage, center pos/neg & that in fact it is doing an ac -> dc conversion.

thanks cats, and have a very meowy xmas

a:c

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 19:03:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26994; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:02:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:02:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.230.252] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping IN europe internation power supplies Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:00:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2000 00:00:41.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[37DB9550:01C07061] Resent-Message-ID: <0kXb-C.A.0kG.GLoS6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Right now I am in Houston tx. I speak spanish cause I lived in central america for 3 years when I was younger. I was thinkin the 18space rack would be more portable because I could but everthing in it , it has pretty awsome casters, everthing is already set up just hit the on switches. The edp combo Idea seems less practical because a combo less flight case will get damaged and usually isnt stereo and because I am taking a edp I would need a small rack to. Now I am deal ing with multiple pieces and such. Also I am used to having multiple loops and it dosent fell like I can adjust to single loop stuff in time to still go to paris with chops. About voltage: is there something I can get, like a extesiomn cord, that changes Us to euro? aslo dose any one know of good power conditioners to use(Us)? Is there any reason I should not have everything in my rack on us power and then use a transfor or adaptor to go to Euro. >From: "Busyditch" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >CC: "loopers delight" >Subject: Re: Looping IN europe >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:11:14 -0500 > >Just out of curiosity, where do you live now? Are you aware of the voltage >difference between europe and the rest of the world? (220v) >-----Original Message----- >From: George Washington >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Date: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 7:02 PM >Subject: Looping IN europe > > > > > >Hello Looptatsic Sages, > >I am 18 and I have decided to sell abunch of stuuf and go to europe for >as > >long as I can afford and kick it loopin improv style when ever and >wherever > >I can. I would like some input on taking gear on the road, european > >loop/music experiences, places to play/pan handel, free street coner >shows > >borrowed cafe extension cord style, power supplies for euro, or any other > >tools, tips, or ideas you could give me. > >One of the major themes of this trip is to make it a complete exercise >in > >improvisation. I only speak english and spanish so that will make being >in > >countries that dont speak those languages intersting. I think I want to >fly > >into paris unless there is a reason not to. About all travel preparation > >that I will have is 500$ and a lets go book. > >Here is the gear I am takin\ > >(18) space shock mounted rack > >(2) edps (prolly in stereo or with onefoot foot controller connnected to > >both with an a/b switch? Also may add ev-5's) > >(1) electrix filter factory with to cv pedals > > (1) lexicon vortex with foot switches and expession pedal > > (1) fostex 2016 line mixer( with 4 aux sends) > >(1) Dl4 (mabey with expression pedal mabey not) > >(1) Wh-1 whammy pedal Original(perhaps) > >(1) Eh Micro synth > > (1) Modded wha > >(1) Boss dist feedbacker > > I feel like I will want all the pedals mounted on a board that will >fit > >in and out of a rack drawer, or mabey have all the fx pedals attached to >a > >rack drawer that they live in and have the expression pedals on a borad > >that cam be removed a nd plced on the ground in a nother rack drawer? > > For guitar I have an early g&l pawn shop geetar that I would not be >too > >heart broken if she dont survive the trip. ANy way She's got an A bass > >geetar a string on top, and will be protected only buy my wits and a >$19.95 > >gig bag > > I was thinking about having a totally stereo path after all my mono >fx > >and star at the stereo out of the dl4. Somthing like Dl4----->Mixer >(mabey > >get 2 2016's so I can have but all my stereo fx in the aux sends and do > >feedback as well as being able to put my stereo fx in any order) Edp s in > >one aux,vortex in one aux , and filter fact in one aux, and then send the > >whole she-bang out to 2 gibson Skylarks( they live in the unused space >at > >the bottom of my rack) > > I know this rig seems a little complicated but the reduced rig was > >microsynht--->whmmy---> dl4 1 skylark but then I have to carry them all > >individually instead on one big shock mounted box on casters. > >I feel like the best plan is to put my bbb(big bad box) in an airport >locker > > and scope the scene out then comeback and get it? no? > >Beside the BBB I am just going to have a book bag type back-pack with >2-3 > >changes of clothes and 2 econo chef boyardee ravioli cans in case the >goin > >gets tuff(they might also be in rack) > >A NOTe TO KIM OR MAttiIAS G: > >Are x-rays bad for edps? > >Thanks in advance for your help, > >Jeremiah > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 21:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31466; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:39:35 -0500 Subject: CD manufacture (OT) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the OT, but I'm looking for a reliable CD manufacturer. Can anyone give a recommendation? Raintree looks good to me from their website and pricing. Anyone had experience with them? Thanks. David Lee Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 27 23:34:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01658; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4AC352.29868F8B@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:36:34 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com Subject: Jimmy George Looping Extravagnza * Saturday December 30th @ Ruta Maya - Austin Texas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2F424050312F5D5A8039730F" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------2F424050312F5D5A8039730F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * Come join us... December the 30th on the Eve of The Eve... This Saturday Night in Austin Texas at Ruta Maya, 4th & Lavaca, ... The... * Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza * With special guest Wayne Reynolds on Fretless Bass * And featuring John McJunkin on Sound * Show time is 10 to 1am Ruta is one of my favorite venues in Austin. Come help us bring in the New Year this night before New Years Eve. * Have a very safe and happy New Years and God bless to all! * Peace, Jimmy George * * * --------------2F424050312F5D5A8039730F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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--------------2F424050312F5D5A8039730F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 04:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11021; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:03:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:00:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping IN europe internation power supplies Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:00 PM -0800 12/27/00, George Washington wrote: >About voltage: is there something I can get, like a extesiomn cord, that >changes Us to euro? aslo dose any one know of good power conditioners to >use(Us)? >Is there any reason I should not have everything in my rack on us power and >then use a transfor or adaptor to go to Euro. for the echoplexes anyway, they have a switch on the back that converts the internal supply between 110V or 220V. So you should have no problem there. Check the rest of your gear. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 04:25:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11404; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:24:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:24:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4B0664.6102EEAF@home.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:22:58 -0800 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping IN europe References: <200012271534.KAA13742@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello Looptatsic Sages, >I am 18 and I have decided to sell abunch of stuuf and go to europe for as >long as I can afford and kick it loopin improv style when ever and wherever >I can.......... WOW! If that isn't inspiring I don't know what is....Go for it "George" ! Stop in at the cyber cafes and keep us updated. Remember to switch the fuse drawer on the back of the FilterFactory to 220 when you get to europe. Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 05:12:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14567; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:11:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:11:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Per Wallqvist To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Looping machines for woodwind Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:09:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am looking for some looping device that i can use on stage and that is suiteabl for voice and woodwind looping. I play the saxophone and will connect the mic to the PA-system and then put the looping machine to the effect return. Is that the right way or shall I connect it in another way? Best regards /Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 07:13:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16213; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:08:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:08:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c070c6$c227d600$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:07:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hah, this is hardly OT for all of us! I've had a lot of folks send me stuff over the past 6 months for some reason - and I think the DiscMakers folks still have the best deal per 1000 disks, though I've not seen Raintree yet. The DiscMakers stuff includes STORE PLACEMENT, though. Big Plus in my book. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! From: "David Myers" > Sorry for the OT, but I'm looking for a reliable CD manufacturer. Can > anyone give a recommendation? Raintree looks good to me from their website > and pricing. Anyone had experience with them? Thanks. > > David Lee Myers > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 07:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16613; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:47:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:47:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4AC906.2D14@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:00:53 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) References: <002b01c070c6$c227d600$0601a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > The DiscMakers stuff includes > STORE PLACEMENT, though. Big Plus in my book. Allow me to chime in with a few comments on this... I just skimmed through the Discmakers site and the only sort of store placement offer I saw mentioned was a free signup with amazon.com's Amazon Advantage, which ANYONE can sign up for, so long as they have a bar code (though it's true that Discmakers does offer this service for free. I don't know how much Amazon Advantage costs for non-Discmakers people). In the past, I believe Diskmakers may have done a tie-in deal with a company called The Orchard, which had a big slant towards getting indie CDs into retail stores and web sites. The problem is that the Orchard is about a year behind in paying their artists (I personally am owed over $70.00 for several months' worth of sales). There's been a lot of talk on the Music Throughts mailing list about difficulties with The Orchard. At the moment, I don't believe that the Orchard services to brick and mortar anymore. If Discmakers has stopped dealing with them, it's probably just as well. Just to generally gloss over the whole issue of store placement and distribution, there are two main things you should keep in mind: 1) It's VERY hard to get a CD into stores these days, EVEN IF you have an established or reputable distributor (a distributor is the service that gets CDs from a label to a store, or vica versa in the case of CDs that a store returns). You should be EXTREMELY skeptical about anyone who claims to GUARANTEE store placement for you. 2) Even if you DID have "store placement," a person needs to seriously ask themselves how that would change their situation. In other words, are you REALLY going to be selling any CDs in stores just because there happens to be one copy of the "Joe Schmoe, Internet Looper At Large" solo album sitting in every Sam Goody or Wal-Mart across the nation? Unless people across the nation actually know who you are, and what you do, and (in many cases) have been told these things several times in a row, it's probably not going to help you out. For all intents and purposes, no one is going to buy a CD just because they're aimlessly rummaging through the bins in a store and stumble across an album they know nothing about. With all due respect to the musicians on this list who are putting out their own material, practically no one here would stand to benefit from having store placement at "brick-and-mortar" record stores, because practcally no one here has a high enough profile to foster those sorts of sales. What's more, record stores will very frequently return product if it doesn't sell within a certain time frame (usually three months or less). I go into this very subject in considerable detail in the FAQ on my site, for those so interested: http://www.altruistmusic.com/altruist/index.html Finally, on the subject of CD manufacturing, I did my album with Rainbo out of Santa Monica, CA, and was very happy with their service. They don't offer nearly as many extra bells and whistles as Discmakers, but their prices are very good (if you strip away the various extras that Discmakers offers, I believe they're pretty much the same), and they have several established indie labels as customers. (It was a kick going to their warehouse to pick up my batch, and walking past the stacks of CDs for Priority and Moonshine records). I have also heard many good things about Discmakers, however, though I haven't dealt with them myself. Anyway... Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Andre LaFosse is an astonishing guitarist of a very different ilk. Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO magazine, May 2000) "Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose' Magazine, October 2000) "For electric guitar enthusiasts everywhere, this one's essential." (Alternative Press magazine, September 2000) "Disruption Theory is one of the best guitar albums I've ever heard." (Outburn magazine #12) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 10:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20053; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:39:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4B5F5E.107B6B29@amazon.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:42:22 -0800 From: schlipp Organization: ham & treachery X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ive got a friend that used cdman (just cdman.com) and had great success with them (and they do odd shapes and 3" cds!) -m David Myers wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but I'm looking for a reliable CD manufacturer. Can > anyone give a recommendation? Raintree looks good to me from their website > and pricing. Anyone had experience with them? Thanks. > > David Lee Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 11:04:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20697; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:02:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4B64A4.9EAFF37D@amazon.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:04:52 -0800 From: schlipp Organization: ham & treachery X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) References: <3A4B5F5E.107B6B29@amazon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in the same vien, erika records seems to be a good place to get vinyl pressed -m schlipp wrote: > ive got a friend that used cdman (just cdman.com) and had great success with > them (and they do odd shapes and 3" cds!) > -m > > David Myers wrote: > > > Sorry for the OT, but I'm looking for a reliable CD manufacturer. Can > > anyone give a recommendation? Raintree looks good to me from their website > > and pricing. Anyone had experience with them? Thanks. > > > > David Lee Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 11:16:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20888; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: CD manufacture (OT) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A4B5F5E.107B6B29@amazon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree- cdman.com was awesome to work with, and a lot cheaper than discmakers, who must make the consumers pay for those nice catalogs. Another tip to save a lot of money is to do the layout yourself- I think cdman has templates on their site. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > ive got a friend that used cdman (just cdman.com) and had great > success with > them (and they do odd shapes and 3" cds!) > -m > > David Myers wrote: > > > Sorry for the OT, but I'm looking for a reliable CD manufacturer. Can > > anyone give a recommendation? Raintree looks good to me from > their website > > and pricing. Anyone had experience with them? Thanks. > > > > David Lee Myers > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 12:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22535; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:31:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:31:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130C32@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Looping machines for woodwind Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:29:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C070F3.B3F781C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C070F3.B3F781C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i play with a trumpet player who also does vocals into a small pa that he uses for gigs. he uses the line6 dl4 for his looping. i also play with a vocalist who uses a jamman . . . i think that most of the loopers out there will accomodate your needs. stig -----Original Message----- From: Per Wallqvist [mailto:per.wallqvist@tankebolaget.se] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:10 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: Looping machines for woodwind Hi, I am looking for some looping device that i can use on stage and that is suiteabl for voice and woodwind looping. I play the saxophone and will connect the mic to the PA-system and then put the looping machine to the effect return. Is that the right way or shall I connect it in another way? Best regards /Per ------_=_NextPart_001_01C070F3.B3F781C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Looping machines for woodwind

i play with a trumpet player who also does vocals = into a small pa that he uses for gigs. he uses the line6 dl4 for his = looping. i also play with a vocalist who uses a jamman . . . i think = that most of the loopers out there will accomodate your = needs.


stig

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From: Per Wallqvist [mailto:per.wallqvist@tanke= bolaget.se]
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Hi,

I am looking for some looping device that i can use = on stage and that is
suiteabl for voice and woodwind looping. I play the = saxophone and will
connect the mic to the PA-system and then put the = looping machine to the
effect return. Is that the right way or shall I = connect it in another way?

Best regards

/Per

------_=_NextPart_001_01C070F3.B3F781C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 16:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27718; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:09:16 +0000 Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I agree- cdman.com was awesome to work with, and a lot cheaper than > discmakers, who must make the consumers pay for those nice catalogs. Another > tip to save a lot of money is to do the layout yourself- I think cdman has > templates on their site. If you're in the UK, it's well worth calling ICC duplication in eastbourne - I had my album duplicated with them, and they did a great job. They use Sony repro, and have loads of interesting packaging options available if you want something other than hideous plastic boxes (Mine's done in digifile and looks amazing, though I say so myself... :o) I think the web-site is http://www.iccduplication.co.uk - if not, do a search, they are based in Eastbourne... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 16:54:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28568; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:52:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c07118$9247b2a0$0200a8c0@pandora.be> From: "Thys NV" To: Subject: Oberheim echoplex Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:53:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C07120.F01D0620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C07120.F01D0620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello J. I'm the guy who want to buy an echoplex (Oberheim) My price would be between 1000 and 1200 dollars. Hope you can help me find ( buy ) one. thysproducts@pandora.be Pieter ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C07120.F01D0620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello J.
 
I'm the guy who want to buy an echoplex = (Oberheim)
My price would be between 1000 and 1200 = dollars.
 
Hope you can help me find ( buy ) = one.
thysproducts@pandora.be
 
 
Pieter
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C07120.F01D0620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 17:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29954; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:24:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2AB0@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" , jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com Subject: RE: Jimmy George Looping Extravagnza * Saturday December 30th @ R uta Maya - Austin Texas Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:22:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and to you too my fellow loopers! thanks miko! peace jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [mailto:Mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:16 PM To: jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimmy George Looping Extravagnza * Saturday December 30th @ Ruta Maya - Austin Texas Break a leg Jimmy! Happy New Year to all... -Miko >>> jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com 12/27/00 08:32PM >>> * Come join us... December the 30th on the Eve of The Eve... This Saturday Night in Austin Texas at Ruta Maya, 4th & Lavaca, ... The... * Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza * With special guest Wayne Reynolds on Fretless Bass * And featuring John McJunkin on Sound * Show time is 10 to 1am Ruta is one of my favorite venues in Austin. Come help us bring in the New Year this night before New Years Eve. * Have a very safe and happy New Years and God bless to all! * Peace, Jimmy George * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 17:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29775; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:18:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:16:27 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Jimmy George Looping Extravagnza * Saturday December 30th @ Ruta Maya - Austin Texas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA29754 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Break a leg Jimmy! Happy New Year to all... -Miko >>> jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com 12/27/00 08:32PM >>> * Come join us... December the 30th on the Eve of The Eve... This Saturday Night in Austin Texas at Ruta Maya, 4th & Lavaca, ... The... * Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza * With special guest Wayne Reynolds on Fretless Bass * And featuring John McJunkin on Sound * Show time is 10 to 1am Ruta is one of my favorite venues in Austin. Come help us bring in the New Year this night before New Years Eve. * Have a very safe and happy New Years and God bless to all! * Peace, Jimmy George * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 17:59:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31616; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:57:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ca01c07121$b18de5e0$0200a8c0@pandora.be> From: "Thys NV" To: Subject: Oberheim echoplex Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:58:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C0712A.12ED98A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C0712A.12ED98A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Are there people who are willing to sell their Oberheim echoplex digital pro? Important: I'm located in Europe (Belgium) Please let me know thysproducts@pandora.be Pieter ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C0712A.12ED98A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Are there people who are willing to = sell=20 their
Oberheim echoplex digital = pro?
Important:  I'm located in Europe=20 (Belgium)
 
Please let me know
thysproducts@pandora.be
 
 
Pieter
------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C0712A.12ED98A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 18:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32101; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:01:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:01:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Oberheim echoplex Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:00:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C07122.055CE250" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07122.055CE250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe after Repeater comes out. =A0 Damon- Will it be ready in time for NAMM?=A0 I want to try one out. =A0 Hans Lindauer=20 Engineer, Music Man R&D=20 Ernie Ball, Inc.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Thys NV [mailto:info@thysproducts.be] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oberheim echoplex Hello, =A0 Are there people who are willing to sell their Oberheim echoplex digital pro? Important:=A0 I'm located in Europe (Belgium) =A0 Please let me know thysproducts@pandora.be =A0 =A0 Pieter ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07122.055CE250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Maybe after Repeater comes out.
 
Damon- Will it be ready in time for NAMM?  I want to try one out.
 

Hans Lindauer
Engineer, Music Man R&D
Ernie Ball, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thys NV [mailto:info@thysproducts.be]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Oberheim echoplex

Hello,
 
Are there people who are willing to sell their
Oberheim echoplex digital pro?
Important:  I'm located in Europe (Belgium)
 
Please let me know
 
 
Pieter
------_=_NextPart_001_01C07122.055CE250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 18:23:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00307; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:19:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:19:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c07124$68c0c8c0$2a2c97d4@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: Subject: Roland FC-200 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:17:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA32754 Resent-Message-ID: <4FNj7.A.9_H.8o8S6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy New Year to you all! I have a roland FC-200 footcontroler. whatever I do I can't get "gas" peadal to work. midi canal seems to in order it does send massages. all other pedals work as they should. any ideas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 19:30:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02118; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:22:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.229.71] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oberheim echoplex Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:21:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2000 00:21:26.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[4801FA10:01C0712D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Well here is the deal. I am coming from the US to try to do some loopin in europe and I have been using two echplexi in stereo so I will sell ya one them in the box with footswitch for 1300 Us or 1200 if ya let me stay with ya a couple of days and we do some loopin? How do you feel about that? Thanks, J >From: "Thys NV" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Oberheim echoplex >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:53:04 +0100 > >Hello J. > >I'm the guy who want to buy an echoplex (Oberheim) >My price would be between 1000 and 1200 dollars. > >Hope you can help me find ( buy ) one. >thysproducts@pandora.be > > >Pieter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 28 20:02:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02789; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:53:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:53:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4BE072.9641DAE5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:53:07 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, remember that Repeater thingamagig? It would seem to me that we're right around the 45th day of our 30 to 45 day delay in shipping. Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? I was part of the group buy from Alto music. Is that still on? Should I call them back and confirm? God damn it, I've got some looping to do! What? Did we loose a war? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 09:36:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18887; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:33:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c071a3$3a83d4a0$83ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #196 - A Week Late Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:25:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ This is a week late due to the holiday rush. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #196 December 21, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was from issue number 23. Sequences http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#dec ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Broekhuis, Keller, & Come and Taste the Band Drei (Manikin) Schonwalder Part Two Don Slepian Sonic Perfume Sea of Bliss (none) Saul Stokes * A Collection of Live Recordings (none) 12:00 am VA [Rudy Adrian] Kinetic Flow Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Sante] Awakening Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Roach & Unis] Transfusion Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Titania Moon] Prelude to a Storm Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Mark Ashby] Circumnavigating the Universe Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Patrick Kosmos] Modification Sequences No. 23 (none) VA [Spaceman C] It's About Time Sequences No. 23 (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on compilation CDs that come with each issue of Sequences magazine. This publication from the UK covers cosmic, experimental, synth rock, space rock, and ambient electronic music. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be from issue number 24. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 10:19:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20043; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:17:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c071a9$98168bc0$83ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #197 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:10:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #197 December 28, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Sequences Magazine compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was from issue number 24. Sequences http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#dec ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Braun, Broekhuis, Not From This World Project inter.com (Manikin) Keller, & Schonwalder Remy Image Four The Art of Imagination (Groove) The Nightcrawlers Tanzut Traveling Backwards (Manikin) The Tunnel Singer Corona Borealis Night Skies (Tunnel Singer Records) Sean Washburn Welcome Wave Mantra (none) 12:00 am VA [Craig Padilla] One '96 Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [Syndromeda in Chaos] Huizen Express Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [Foreign Spaces] Phaeton IV Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [T-Bass UK] 6EQUJS Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [Ashok] Again to Rocochet Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [Steve Frost] Downward Spiral Sequences No. 24 (none) VA [Tranquillity] State of Hysteria Sequences No. 24 (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Fanger and Kersten a.k.a. Mind~Flux. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Splashdown" on the Manikin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 11:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21212; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:06:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c071b0$58fe0880$83ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for December 2000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for December, 2000. Shows #192 to #196; 23-November-2000 to 21-December-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Ashera - Cobalt 144 - none Braun, Broekhuis, Keller, & Schonwalder - Project inter.com - Manikin Broekhuis, Keller, & Schonwalder - Drei - Manikin Don Slepian - Sea of Bliss - none Fanger & Kersten - Splashdown - Manikin Free System Projekt & Dave Brewer - Okefenokee Dreams - Groove Keller & Schonwalder - The Reason Why - Manikin Klaus Schulze - Contemporary Works - Rainhorse/ Manikin Larry Gaabe - History All At Once - Morphosis Music M. Griffin & D. Fulton - The Most Distant Point Known - Hypnos Max Corbacho - Far Beyond the Immobile Point - none OZMA - A Hughe and Silent Place - Atomic City Paul Ellis - Appears to Vanish - Neu Harmony Remy - The Art of Imagination - Groove Steve Roach & Byron Metcalf - The Serpent's Lair - Projekt Various Artists - Four the Truth - Groove Various Artists - Sequences No. 21 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 22 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 23 - none Various Artists - Sequences No. 24 - none Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 11:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21424; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c071b3$69b92580$0200a8c0@pandora.be> From: "Thys NV" To: Subject: Europe Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:21:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C071BB.CB113720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C071BB.CB113720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, J I think you hit on the right spot. Please be welcome in Belgium. Of course you can stay at my place. It's a jazz-club in neighborhood of Brusels and Antwerp. I think the price is ok. Pieter What's your E-mail? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C071BB.CB113720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, J
 
I think you hit on the right = spot.
Please be welcome in Belgium. Of course = you=20 can
stay at my place. It's a jazz-club in = neighborhood=20 of
Brusels and Antwerp.
I think the price is ok.
 
Pieter
 
What's your E-mail?
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C071BB.CB113720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 11:37:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21692; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.f69a9de.277e16f6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:33:58 EST Subject: Re: Looping IN europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was thinkin the 18space rack would > be more portable because I could but everthing in it , it has pretty awsome > casters, everthing is already set up just hit the on switches. I was thinkin that bout my 12space(+mixer on top), 'till I got it home Had to take the front+back off to get it up the stairs, and that was before the gear was in it. definately a 2 person job moving on anything but flat ground. (those casters are indeed awesome tho' ) Hope your experience is better than mine. Welcome to Europe though Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 19:18:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02321; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:15:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001229160817.00dfe400@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:08:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: New product spam... rechargeable battery packs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! We've built a new rechargeable battery pack/power supply that uses Makita 9V cordless drill batteries. I'm thinking of making it a product if anyone is interested. We use it for a phantom supply for a MIDI controller but it could be used for any 9V equipment.. thanks and HH, harveyS http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 20:03:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03492; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:00:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4D3559.862EED22@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:07:39 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New product spam... rechargeable battery packs References: <3.0.6.32.20001229160817.00dfe400@crash.cts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4zh4O.A.V2.fOTT6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Harvey Starr wrote: > Hi! > > We've built a new rechargeable battery pack/power supply that uses Makita > 9V cordless drill batteries. I'm thinking of making it a product if anyone > is interested. We use it for a phantom supply for a MIDI controller but it > could be used for any 9V equipment.. > thanks and HH, > harveyS > http://www.starrlabs.com this sounds interesting. tell us more... best, lance g. anf hh to you too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 29 20:27:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03933; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:25:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <95.4e1c3cb.277e9339@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:24:09 EST Subject: Echoplex for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone, I am unfortunately in a position where I need to raise some funds, so I am putting my Oberheim EDP and Footcontroller on auction at eBay. You can find it at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1401550508 Thanks- -Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 03:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13103; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 03:32:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 03:32:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A4D9E7E.1A5F0A44@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 02:36:14 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com Subject: *Tonight* @ Ruta Maya with Jimmy George & Friends - Austin, Texas ... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1AA31FAB1949E7741EC3244A" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------1AA31FAB1949E7741EC3244A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight Saturday December the 30th O n t h e E v e o f N e w Y e a r s E v e Come celebrate the Holidays *With* The Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza Featuring *Wayne Reynolds* on Frettless Bass And *John McJunkin* on Sound At Ruta Maya - 4th & Lavaca - Austin, Texas Show time is 10:00 to 1am NOCOVER!!NOCOVER LOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOP --------------1AA31FAB1949E7741EC3244A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Tonight Saturday December the 30th
O n  t h e  E v e  o f  N e w  Y e a r s  E v e
Come celebrate the Holidays

*With*

The Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza

Featuring *Wayne Reynolds* on Frettless Bass

And *John McJunkin* on Sound

At Ruta Maya - 4th & Lavaca - Austin, Texas

Show time is 10:00 to 1am

NOCOVER!!NOCOVER

LOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOP

--------------1AA31FAB1949E7741EC3244A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 06:19:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16039; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:17:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 06:17:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c07251$ece4a9e0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3A4D9E7E.1A5F0A44@jimmygeorgearts.com> Subject: Re: *Tonight* @ Ruta Maya with Jimmy George & Friends - Austin, Texas ... Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:16:10 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07251.E9EB4000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07251.E9EB4000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Luck JG! I'm in London and can't make it, but have a great show! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! http://StephenGoodman.iuma.com * Even more MP3s! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jimmy george=20 To: jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com=20 Sent: 30 December 2000 08:36 AM Subject: *Tonight* @ Ruta Maya with Jimmy George & Friends - Austin, = Texas ... =20 Tonight Saturday December the 30th=20 O n t h e E v e o f N e w Y e a r s E v e=20 Come celebrate the Holidays=20 *With*=20 The Jimmy George Looping Extravaganza=20 Featuring *Wayne Reynolds* on Frettless Bass=20 And *John McJunkin* on Sound=20 At Ruta Maya - 4th & Lavaca - Austin, Texas=20 Show time is 10:00 to 1am=20 NOCOVER!!NOCOVER=20 LOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOPOOLOOPOOLPOOLOOP ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07251.E9EB4000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good Luck JG!  I'm in London and can't make it, but have a = great=20 show!
Stephen Goodman
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http://www.mp3.com/StephenGood= man *=20 New MP3 Releases!
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Subject: *Tonight* @ Ruta Maya = with Jimmy=20 George & Friends - Austin, Texas ...

 =20

Tonight Saturday December the 30th
O=20 n  t h e  E v e  o f  N e w  Y e a r s  = E v=20 e
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*With*=20

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Featuring *Wayne Reynolds* on Frettless Bass =

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At Ruta Maya - 4th & Lavaca - Austin, = Texas=20

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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07251.E9EB4000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 09:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19106; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A4B5F5E.107B6B29@amazon.com> References: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:12:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >ive got a friend that used cdman (just cdman.com) and had great success with >them (and they do odd shapes and 3" cds!) >-m We also used cdman for our first FingerPaint release " Primary Colors: BLUE." The price was the best we could find at the time ( 2 years ago), service was friendly, but there were isues with the color of the artwork. However this could have been miscommunication on our end. Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 12:30:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22711; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:26:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:26:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C0728E.B40F06A0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: OT: harmonizer control Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:30:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1AoBQ.A.KiF.aqhT6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just listened to a live recording of Nils Petter Molvaer who plays the trumpet in combination with a harmonizer, just as Jon Hassell does, and produces harmonies that often change while he sustains one single trumpet note. Even though I saw him live last year, I can't quite figure out how he does that - how he controls his harmonizer while he plays trumpet. With some kind of footpedal I guess, but how exactly? I could either imagine a midi pedal that sets various fixed harmonic presets, or for flexibility, maybe some kind of footpedal-keyboard like an organ player ... who does something similar and knows more about this specific technique? = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 13:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24456; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:37:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:34:49 EST Subject: Updates to my MP3.com page To: timothy@emma1.com, bobnme@cdsnet.net, Brian@connectedsystems.com, KMichaelis@aol.com, MikeBrown@danabgoods.com, Fmplautus@aol.com, SeymourwD@aol.com, jtg@ashlandhome.net, HooverA@tce.com, TimHoward@aol.com, jhuggard@iastate.edu, Wescarolh@aol.com, jason@emma1.com, jewfamily@hotmail.com, jeff@pfmentum.com, cnelson@executiveliaisons.com, altruist@earthlink.net, GaryL53655@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, MMansur7@aol.com, mmyers@jeffnet.org, Dannagin@aol.com, Ohhpeachy@aol.com, PEYTOND@psu4.pdx.edu, peyton@me.pdx.edu, Seaverwave@aol.com, rasp@mnic.net, 100422.2610@compuserve.com, postmaster@seymourduncan.com, waveski@pacbell.net, suzukisax@email.msn.com, thomasz@jeffnet.org, danateague@danabgoods.com, danateague@csi.com, pamnken@wizard.com, improv@peak.org, TomH2O@aol.com, Joeinfo@aol.com, DaBluzman1@aol.com, twatters@line6.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <-vDNyB.A.39F.osiT6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there folks, The last time I wrote and mentioned this topic to any of you I was just testing to see if the one MP3 I had up on MP3.com really worked or not. A buddy of mine put it up for me (and I was thrilled, thank you Jeff Kaiser). But I didn't know for myself how well it worked (or not) because my own home computer was so slow I couldn't stream or download any of it myself. I could log on and see my silly picture (oh boy) but I couldn't actually hear a thing. However, it did seem to work pretty well for a good many of you and I thank you for your kind replies in letting me know even if you thought the music rather strange. Now armed with a faster computer and relatively high-speed access to the net I have assumed control of my MP3.com page myself and have put up even more sonic nonsense to embarrass my friends and family with. There are now a total of 11 tracks (nearly an hou's worht of music) up there at: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html Most of this stuff will still be unlistenable to some of you for technical reasons (some pieces are kinda longish and would take a long time to download). But online "streaming" is available if you have RealPlayer at high- and low-res levels. Others of you will still find this stuff unlistenable for other reasons... aesthetic ones no doubt. Sorry, I can't help that. But you might give it a try anyway and let me know what you think. I'm not terribly thin skinned and would appreciate the constructive feedback. As a sort of "listening guide" I thought some of you might appreciate having me categorize these pieces into levels of listening difficulty (to borrow a term from Laurie Anderson) to aid in choosing what to bother listening to. Easy listening: none available at this time (but you never know) Mildly strange: Hubble*; Laugh Cry; Nocturne; Prayer; Reverse Logic Pretty Strange: Relentless; Flux Eterna; God's Sock Puppet; Still Waiting Very Strange Indeed: Bird Headed Dwarf; Float * This was the "untitled" track that Jeff originally put up for me. Well, have fun folks. Again, let me know if these work and what you think of them (even a good "rant" could contain useful feedback). It may be nearly 2001 and I may not be showing any signs of "growing up" any time soon but... Have a happy new year anyway! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 13:46:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24633; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:44:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:44:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.181.221] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: harmonizer control Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:43:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2000 18:43:35.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AB2E560:01C07290] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, what Nils does live with his TC G-Force (believe it or not) is just patching 2 different values or more for the 2 voices of the pitch shifters...so when he moves his pedal he changes chords. That processor allows him only a few preset changes...while an Eventide would allow an user to preset a control table of up to 11 shifting voices with 50 steps each, think 50 chords with a max. of 11+1 dry voices...well, this is power!!! I recently saw him here in Italy and did an interview with his gtr player, Eivind Aarset...cool band...absolutely brilliant...top 5 in the world!!! Happy new Year...Italo >From: Michael Peters >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers Delight'" >Subject: OT: harmonizer control >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:30:53 +0100 > >just listened to a live recording of Nils Petter Molvaer who plays the >trumpet in combination with a harmonizer, just as Jon Hassell does, and >produces harmonies that often change while he sustains one single trumpet >note. Even though I saw him live last year, I can't quite figure out how he >does that - how he controls his harmonizer while he plays trumpet. With >some kind of footpedal I guess, but how exactly? I could either imagine a >midi pedal that sets various fixed harmonic presets, or for flexibility, >maybe some kind of footpedal-keyboard like an organ player ... who does >something similar and knows more about this specific technique? > >= michael peters >= electronic music & strange attractors >= http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 13:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24824; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:55:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:55:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.181.221] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: harmonizer control Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:54:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2000 18:54:47.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAFC3170:01C07291] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, I forgot to suggest you the listening of the Nils Petter Molvaer Band 2 cds, "KHMER" and "SOLID ETHER" both on ECM records (www.ecmrecords.com).......magic music from Norway!!! best Italoop _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 14:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25321; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:00:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:59:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2000 18:59:18.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CDD89D0:01C07292] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, this just sets itself up for a lame joke on my part: What part of BLUE could they not understand? >From: Patrick Smith > We also used cdman for our first FingerPaint release " Primary Colors: >BLUE." (......) there were isues with the color of the artwork. >However this could have been miscommunication on our end. > >Patrick > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 15:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27210; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c0729e$e444b080$dcaf1618@C961485B> From: "maugli" To: References: Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:27:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "maugli" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; <100422.2610@compuserve.com>; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Updates to my MP3.com page > Hi there folks, > > The last time I wrote and mentioned this topic to any of you I was just > testing to see if the one MP3 I had up on MP3.com really worked or not. A > buddy of mine put it up for me (and I was thrilled, thank you Jeff Kaiser). > But I didn't know for myself how well it worked (or not) because my own home > computer was so slow I couldn't stream or download any of it myself. I could > log on and see my silly picture (oh boy) but I couldn't actually hear a > thing. However, it did seem to work pretty well for a good many of you and I > thank you for your kind replies in letting me know even if you thought the > music rather strange. > ...snip Hi there, Killian! By some strange turn of fate, I received your e-mail even without being included in your list of "To:" recipients. Nevertheless, I would like to ask you a question: does your sound-generation arsenal include an Eventide device of any kind? Are you willing to share with me any info on your gear used in your music? I am in the process of building my bedroom studio and I would welcome any advice/opinion on any piece of sound gear.Of course, I wouldn't mind to tell you about what I've got so far... :-) Regards, Jara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 17:01:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30024; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c072ab$87afe6c0$3f82e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Loop.pooL Live at Monterey, California's First Night Celebration, New Years Eve Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:57:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3t43MC.A.zUH.BplT6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On New Year's Eve (tomorrow night), George DeMarest and I, as the realtime version of Loop.pooL will be performing realtime, loopbased Abstract Electronica with an emphasis on Ambient,Abstract and Trip Hop styles in a specially constructed 45 foot geodesic dome. We'll will be performing for Monterey, California's First Night Celebration, a family oriented, non-alchoholic carnival to bring in the year 2001. If you are in the area come join us. You will need to buy a first night badge ($10 or $12) that let's you into dozens of local art and music events and allows you to see the big fireworks display over the Monterey Bay. Happy New 2001 Loopers of the World!!! Thanks to Kim Flint for hosting this awesome site. Yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 19:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01608; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:45:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:45:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-246.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.246] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001230014408.016f32c0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:44:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "R.MUTT" Subject: FS: GP-100 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi friends i still having my Roland GP-100, that has 5 sec. for loop / delay pourposes, amongst other capabilities ! i'd like to get 400$ for it. if somebody is interested, e-mail me privately. cheers, R.MUTT /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 20:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02549; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:27:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-mWGFD.A.in.DnoT6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ted: Don't even consider growing up! The MP3s you've posted for the group are absolutely wonderful. I was transfixed by hubble, laughcry, reverse logic and nocturne. It seems to me a small miracle of the age that you can communicate your wonderful music this way. On the technical side...I did notice some digital "crackles" on some of the cuts. I'm using streaming Real Player 8 and a cable modem to download your music...a good pair of Sennheiser headphones as well. Please post more "tunes." Best, Kevin Cooney > Hi there folks, > > The last time I wrote and mentioned this topic to any of you I was just > testing to see if the one MP3 I had up on MP3.com really worked or not. A > buddy of mine put it up for me (and I was thrilled, thank you Jeff Kaiser). > But I didn't know for myself how well it worked (or not) because my own home > computer was so slow I couldn't stream or download any of it myself. I could > log on and see my silly picture (oh boy) but I couldn't actually hear a > thing. However, it did seem to work pretty well for a good many of you and I > thank you for your kind replies in letting me know even if you thought the > music rather strange. > > Now armed with a faster computer and relatively high-speed access to the net > I have assumed control of my MP3.com page myself and have put up even more > sonic nonsense to embarrass my friends and family with. There are now a total > of 11 tracks (nearly an hou's worht of music) up there at: > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/138/ted_killian.html > > Most of this stuff will still be unlistenable to some of you for technical > reasons (some pieces are kinda longish and would take a long time to > download). But online "streaming" is available if you have RealPlayer at > high- and low-res levels. Others of you will still find this stuff > unlistenable for other reasons... aesthetic ones no doubt. Sorry, I can't > help that. But you might give it a try anyway and let me know what you think. > I'm not terribly thin skinned and would appreciate the constructive feedback. > > As a sort of "listening guide" I thought some of you might appreciate having > me categorize these pieces into levels of listening difficulty (to borrow a > term from Laurie Anderson) to aid in choosing what to bother listening to. > > Easy listening: none available at this time (but you never know) > > Mildly strange: Hubble*; Laugh Cry; Nocturne; Prayer; Reverse Logic > > Pretty Strange: Relentless; Flux Eterna; God's Sock Puppet; Still Waiting > > Very Strange Indeed: Bird Headed Dwarf; Float > > * This was the "untitled" track that Jeff originally put up for me. > > Well, have fun folks. Again, let me know if these work and what you think of > them (even a good "rant" could contain useful feedback). It may be nearly > 2001 and I may not be showing any signs of "growing up" any time soon but... > > Have a happy new year anyway! > > Ted Killian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 21:25:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03746; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:23:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:23:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <36.100c631d.277ff24e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:22:06 EST Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there! In a message dated 12/30/00 5:20:52 PM, hideaway53@opendoor.com writes: << On the technical side...I did notice some digital "crackles" on some of the cuts. I'm using streaming Real Player 8 and a cable modem to download your music...a good pair of Sennheiser headphones as well. >> Thanks for the feedback. This confirms what I suspected. For those who have the patience (and the disc space) to download 'em the full size MP3s sound pretty okay. But the streaming stuff (which MP3.com creates for you from the uploaded MP3 files and provides free for you page sound pretty glitchy at best. Your comments were helpful your praise very kind. Thanks! Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 21:32:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03946; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e701c072d2$09a23d60$e15dfea9@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <002b01c070c6$c227d600$0601a8c0@stephen> <3A4AC906.2D14@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: CD manufacture (OT) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:12:07 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- > I just skimmed through the Discmakers site and the only sort of store > placement offer I saw mentioned was a free signup with amazon.com's > Amazon Advantage, which ANYONE can sign up for, so long as they have a > bar code (though it's true that Discmakers does offer this service for > free. I don't know how much Amazon Advantage costs for non-Discmakers > people). > Amazon Advantage is free to sign up and is worthwhile for anyone without Distribution. They take a much bigger cut from advantage participants than they do with albums they get from distributors. Discmakers makes their money off volume business. This might be a good thing if you're buying toilet paper, but it's not such a good thing when you're producing an album. Discmakers has good prices, but you can probably come close to that with a local pressing agent who can help gaurentee a higher quality release and will spend more time educating you to the process. Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 30 22:00:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04817; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.f28a82e.277ffa9c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:57:32 EST Subject: Re: Updates to my MP3.com page To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA04401 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jara, In a message dated 12/30/00 12:26:55 PM, maugli@intermess.com writes: << Nevertheless, I would like to ask you a question: does your sound-generation arsenal include an Eventide device of any kind? Are you willing to share with me any info on your gear used in your music? I am in the process of building my bedroom studio and I would welcome any advice/opinion on any piece of sound gear. Of course, I wouldn't mind to tell you about what I've got so far... :-) >> Nope. I'd love an Eventide device but they are much beyond my budget. I've got quite a lot of stuff but it's been aquired over a long period of time (not all at once). Buying even a low-end Eventide would problay be a quick way of winding up in divorce court. My signal chain starts with a Duncan equipped Gibson RD Artist guitar with a Roland GK-2A hex-pickup connecting me to my trusty old Roland GR-1 guitar synth. From there it goes to an ART SGE-2000 Express, Big Briar Moogerfooger, a pair of Boss RPS-10 pitch shifter delays, 2 Lexicon Vortexes, an Alesis Microverb III, Emu Proteus III, Rocktron 12-channel mixer and 2 Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pros. I also use a little Akai S-20 phrase sampler to play various stored ambient or rhythmic samples*. Along with a Marshall 8008 power amp this more or less fills my 12-space rack. I play in stereo through 2 pairs of Seymour Duncan 1x12 cabs. I play fingerstyle with Ernie Ball metal finger picks and sometimes with as many as 2 ebows. *I create these samples with a combination of other tools/instruments including a Lakewood acoustic guitar, a Yamaha DJX keyboard, a Casio MIDI Horn, an electrified kalimba (or m'bira) and a Turkish instrument called a cünbüs (kind of a mandolin/banjo hybrid that never plays in tune) and various computer programs on my Mac including Hyperprism, Groovemaker and Rebirth. Boy that looks like a boatload when you list it all out like that. Anywho, I hope that was helpful. Now it's your turn... Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 01:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09064; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:30:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:30:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:28:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Tape looping insanity c. 1970 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This fellow sent this nice story to be forwarded to the list. Hope you enjoy it: >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:37:11 -0500 >From: ChasWiller@aol.com >Subject: Tape looping insanity c. 1970 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >I'm not joining the tape loopers group, just submitting this story for your >amusement. > >In high school, I managed to get assigned to help in the language lab. >There were about a half-dozen of us and we had ideas that just wouldn't stop >when it came to utilizing the 38 reel-to-reel decks in the student booths and >equipment rack. Oh yes, there was a teachers' console with a switching matrix >that would not stop. > >Our first experiment was to run tape from deck-to-deck-to-deck on the tall >vertical equipment rack. Since the machines ran at slightly different speeds >and all we had was Ampex acetate-based tape, we snapped >a lot of it. Then an idea hit us. > >We used an empty reel as an idler, spinning vertically along the front of the >rack with the tape doing a quarter-twist going in and out of the reel. >When the reel climbed too high, we would stop the takeup deck and >let the reel descend again. > >This gave us many seconds of delay for 3 decks. We made a feedback loop from >deck 3 to deck 1 and set the levels so there was slightly less than unity >gain in the chain. > >When we plugged in a mic, it interrupted the loop audio, so we could start >adding and replacing audio ad-lib. > >It was pretty inane at first. "Hi, how ya doin'?" "Feelin' pretty good." "Hey >this is fun!" "Hee hee hee!", etc." > >The cacaphony of repeating dialogue built up until it was a giant mish-mosh >of comments, almost like a giant party scene. > >Then we got another idea. Why not use the 35 decks in the student booths? > >Of course, 34 empty reels were required to allow the tape to make it safely >around the metal booth dividers in the 5 rows of 7 booths each. > >It was a monster of a setup, requiring most of a single class period to >prepare. > >Then our lookout saw the Head of the Foreign Language Department coming down >the hallway. > >The crew scrambled down the rows, taking the decks out of "PLAY" mode and >then someone put deck #1 in "REWIND". > >You ever watch those giant domino setups falling down? Imagine that sort of >"clickety-clickety" sound with the amplitude of thirty-four 7" plastic reels >falling 36 inches to the concrete floor! > >We managed to clean up enough to seem normal when Mr. L walked in. >But that narrow escape did not cure us. We wanted more. > >The loop had to be longer, but how? > >Lightbulbs went on over our heads one day. The window next to the equipment >rack was opened and an empty reel was sent downward from the 3rd-floor >language lab, rotating on a long-long loop of tape. > >It was very amusing to the Home Economics students on the first floor. >Not so amused was Mr. L, who banned us from the language lab for >quite a while. > >What happened to those language lab tape loopers? > >One is an on-staff inventor at a high-tech electronics company. >One is a commercial audio producer. >One is a deejay and producer at a radio station group. >Two are college professors. >One is a cell phone network hardware and software engineer. > >North Side High School has never been the same! > >Charlie Willer >1655 N Wells St >Fort Wayne IN 46808-3281 > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 04:17:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12643; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:15:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:15:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001230014408.016f32c0@mail.dragonet.es> References: <3.0.1.32.20001230014408.016f32c0@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:14:21 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: new our live gig report page Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We did live gig in Kobe,Japan at 29th Dec,I made a web site. RealAudio available: http://low.cavestudio.org/ZEN/20001229/ We used Jamman,Time machine,DL4 loopy delays, and Reason,absynth softwares and Roland System700 modular,Analog Solutions Concussor modular,Sherman Filterbank etc.. happy new century! Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 31 14:05:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28565; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20001230014408.016f32c0@mail.dragonet.es> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 04:01:59 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: new our live gig report page 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I uploaded Japanese traditional New Years Day pictures in my local town. If you have interest.. http://www.cavestudio.org/NYD2001/ Sunao >Hi, > >We did live gig in Kobe,Japan at 29th Dec,I made a web site. >RealAudio available: >http://low.cavestudio.org/ZEN/20001229/ > >We used Jamman,Time machine,DL4 loopy delays, >and Reason,absynth softwares and Roland System700 modular,Analog Solutions >Concussor modular,Sherman Filterbank etc.. > >happy new century! > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com