From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 04:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01323; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c02b81$6a135000$699ebcd4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: The Cult Of : Bibbiboo (Interactive CD Project) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:27:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, May I draw your attention to a new interactive project by German experimentalists Centrozoon. For those who may be unfamiliar, this duo consists of (fellow list member, and touchstyle / loop connoisseur) Markus Reuter who plays Warr guitar, and synthesist Bernhard Wostheinrich. 'The Cult Of : Bibbiboo' is currently at the mixing stage, and you are duly invited to check-out the latest samples of this work in progress at http://www.centrozoon.de/status.html and leave your comments. Those of you who own a copy of 'The European Loop Project' will already be familiar with the band's sonic pallet, but these guys don't hang around... Their debut album 'Blast' (released earlier this year on the DiN label) proffered a more expansive side to their sound, and 'Bibbibo' continues the forward thrust into a new space. In an unprecedented move, the production team are sending out an open invitation for listeners to join 'the cult' and help gear-up for the hatching of Bibbiboo!... Centrozoon goodies are on offer as prizes, but even if you'd rather not participate - all are welcome to watch and listen as the music grows :-) To sample the 'divine beast' go to http://www.centrozoon.de. Thanks. Regards, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 11:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12594; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm close but I want to be perfect. When I hit next loop, I'd like the next loop to come in with the precision of a sequencer. One thing I have tried is making sure the "1/4 note" is at the beginging of the loop. Or: How do you make a loop that has 8 cycles, change to the next loop, only after all 8 cycles have played? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 13:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15178; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:20:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:17:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007401c02bd3$e263a990$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <5LRol.A.AtD.CJ315@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm close but I want to be perfect. good luck... > How do you make a loop that has 8 cycles, change > to the next loop, only after all 8 cycles have played? what you want is switchquant. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 14:49:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16617; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02bd7$f2f55020$11bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> <000d01c02af0$922fd5e0$46bcd8cc@gary> Subject: Blues are Multiplyin' Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:46:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is two bars in length. I allow it to play one additional time (a vamp). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 3 or 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play a "IV" chord figure for two bars which is a bluesy IV figure vague enough to pass for either an IV or a I7#9 (trust me). Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", the original cycle. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it delivers THE SECOND CYCLE! and during bar 12 I hit multiply. Are you with me? At this point I start adding cycles every other time as before--insert, multiply--but when I press multiply, it delivers THE FIRST CYCLE! So now I know what to expect but I still don't know why. I am content to let this thread die, but if anyone else comes up with a clue as to the nature of this phenomenon, give a shout. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 15:07:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17132; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:05:02 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA17109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. -Miko >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the Boomerang)? >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of answers to your questions. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 15:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17663; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D78337.74A1B931@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:32:24 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where do I buy the upgrade chip. Are you sure your not talking about the upgrade for loop length? So it increases the sample rate? I wonder by how much. Boomerang corp does not returrn my calls so I can't seem to get an answer. Mike Biffle wrote: > Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. > > -Miko > > >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> > At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the > Boomerang)? > >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? > > It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools > of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective > sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in > terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet > is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is > even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush > has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in > loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound > quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want > to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. > They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the > competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; > reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, > but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so > you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or > hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, > and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub > capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, > rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et > cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for > your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search > around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of > answers to your questions. > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 16:40:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19077; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:38:01 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA19055 Resent-Message-ID: <61YRcD.A.6pE.lD615@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com email Mike Nelson @ Boomerang... he's a regular poster to LD and you'll be able to find his email address in the LD archives. Sorry, I don't have it on my system. -Miko >>> zing@sigecom.net 10/01/00 12:29PM >>> Where do I buy the upgrade chip. Are you sure your not talking about the upgrade for loop length? So it increases the sample rate? I wonder by how much. Boomerang corp does not returrn my calls so I can't seem to get an answer. Mike Biffle wrote: > Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. > > -Miko > > >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> > At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the > Boomerang)? > >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? > > It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools > of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective > sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in > terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet > is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is > even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush > has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in > loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound > quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want > to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. > They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the > competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; > reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, > but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so > you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or > hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, > and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub > capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, > rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et > cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for > your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search > around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of > answers to your questions. > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:31:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20052; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:45 EDT Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 bits........hope this helps......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:32:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20077; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:29:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: EDP Question - How Do I? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I have an Oberheim Echoplex (that has never given me a problem - TG). I want to record a loop and then loop over that loop, thus adding textures, etc. But, I only want the first loop to play. I don't want to record on top of it via Loop Copy, Multiply, Overdub or some other means. So, loop 1 is the foundational piece while other loops are created (elsewhere) as loop 1 plays by itself, unaffected by the other loops. Can I do this with one EDP? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:45:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20663; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:26:22 -0400 To: ambient@hyperreal.org, electronic_music@egroups.com, idm@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Oceanic' Music wanted for video projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm looking for music that might be described to use for some immersive video pieces that will involve VJ mixes of overlaid multiple images of natural scenes -- water, flowers, fire, etc. It is (as always-:) hard to describe ones musical desires in words, but here goes! I'm looking for richly textured, slowly evolving soundscapes (rhythmic or not -- I'm somewhat partial to echoy lines from ethnic percussion instruments such as tablas, but thats just a hint) that are more interesting musically and that's than the $%^& that usually passes for New Age, but that are sufficiently pleasant so as not to put off viewer/listeners who are not used to really challenging and grating sounds (e.g. people who actually like New Age music). OK, its a tall order, and since I've yet to figure out how to make any money from these tapes, I don't have much to offer but the glory, and, of course, a copy of the tapes. Please email me off-list if you are interested. Thanks. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 18:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21723; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c02c46$854e2dc0$4adee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: Subject: echoplex for sale Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:58:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i'd sell my Echoplex DP Pro with its pedalboard. this model is one year old (i know some may not believe it, but im not kidding, i can prove it), and i think the last unit ever made. so, this is in good condition. i think i'd like to get about 800 USD for the whole. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 19:39:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22641; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D7CC0F.5942DE02@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:46:39 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Clark wrote: > Hi! > > I have an Oberheim Echoplex (that has never given me a problem - TG). > > I want to record a loop and then loop over that loop, thus adding textures, > etc. But, I only want the first loop to play. I don't want to record on > top of it via Loop Copy, Multiply, Overdub or some other means. So, loop 1 > is the foundational piece while other loops are created (elsewhere) as loop > 1 plays by itself, unaffected by the other loops. > > Can I do this with one EDP? > > Thanks, > > Michael interesting. intuitively my guess is that you would need two 'plexi (or sum'other flavor of looper; your "elsewhere") to be able to maintain a loop that is unnaffected by new material that loops. you of course can just play over the existing loop w/out recording, but you want loops to happen, not just live events, correct? anyone able to do this w/ one machine? lance g. ps k.o.w. my edp is trouble-free as well (is that asking for it or what!) :-/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 19:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22946; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:55:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 >bits........hope this helps......michael actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the JamMan. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:30:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26013; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:31:43 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any idea how much $? I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. Scott Kim Flint wrote: > At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson > >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 > >bits........hope this helps......michael > > actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original > is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that > to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the > JamMan. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26190; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:32:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-Reply-To: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (09:31 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: >Any idea how much $? > >I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. Hey Scott; In your quest for a better looper, Electrix's Repeater will be shipping the middle of next month: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Follow the links for "Repeater" Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:37:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26297; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c02c21$800184e0$2aaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #184 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:32:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #184 September 28, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the E-Live 2000 festival. The feature CD at Midnight was "Vine, Bark & Spore" by Steve Roach and Jorge Reyes on the Timeroom Editions label. I also played the music of Dweller at the Threshold and Synthetic Block who will be performing at the next Gathering. E-Live 2000 http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#sep The Gatherings http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm The Tenth Planet A New Low The Tenth Planet (none) Tony Stoufer Artifacts One Swell Foop (Absolute Obscurity) Jonn Serrie & Mystery of Falcone Cove Hidden World (Narada) Gary Stroutsos ARC Relay Octane (Something Else) Van Zyl & Gulch Regeneration Mode Regeneration Mode (Synkronos) Markus Reuter Part Two * Digitalis (none) Roach & Reyes Clearing Place Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) 12:00 am Roach & Reyes Sorcerer's Temple Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes The Holy Dirt Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Night Journey Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Spore and Bark Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Healing Temple Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Gone from Here Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Phaedra" on the Virgin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26531; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:52:03 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-cd1lD.A.ZeG.kcA25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 PM -0700 10/1/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >Scott Winzinger (09:31 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: > > >Any idea how much $? > > > >I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. > >Hey Scott; > >In your quest for a better looper, Electrix's Repeater will be shipping the >middle of next month: > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > Follow the links for "Repeater" > hey Mark, how much do they pay you for this anyway? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 00:06:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26783; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001225653.00f3cbf0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:04:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint (10:52 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: >hey Mark, how much do they pay you for this anyway? :) I stayed quite this long in saying anything to Scott 'cause I figured that I was getting on someone's nerves. To answer you straight though, I have no business affiliation with Electrix. I don't get a check, nor product, nor discounts, nor T-Shirts, nor anything. I think that they have a very cool new product coming out, I've talked to the guys at length about what they're doing, and I have good reason to believe that they're going to make it happen. Scott's looking for something "better sounding than a Boomerang" and I think Repeater fills that role. And, fwiw, I paid for my Big Briar products as well even though I had a heavy hand in what some of them are. I don't believe in being a paid endorser. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 00:37:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27182; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:36:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:36:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001002043550.8886.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: North central Florida/new technician (tech) in town. To: analogue@hyperreal.org, jp6@synthcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4j1myD.A.loG.jCB25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually he is not new to the area but is returning back to the arena of vintage gear repair. He started in the early 70's repairing fender amps and things of that ilkage. He also grew as a tech during the synthesizer age and I have personally witnessed him bring many synths back to life. Arps, Rolands, Sequentials, Cats. He saved my Jupiter 6 and Sh-101 from silence. Vintage Amps, Synths, pedals. I have not told him I posted this yet so E-mail me and I'll put you in touch with him. Of course if you live out of the area, and wanted to pay shipping, he'll do that to. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 02:32:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28552; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 02:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 02:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:20:36 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BB interface In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:22 PM -0700 9/26/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! >>There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically >>updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, >>author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is >>practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. > >I started this for and find it great exept that I was not allowed to answer... >Could there be some kind of a "Archive Subscription" where you dont >get the mails but are allowed to post to the list? > In fact, yes, I can set something like this up. If anybody wants to use some address just for posting and not receive list mails there, let me know. I'll set the list server to accept posts from that address. I'm not going to make this a real widely available service, because I don't want to see it abused. You should somehow be on the list if you want me to do this for you. This will probably help the people who have multiple addresses and periodically forget which one they are supposed to post with. You know who you are. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 08:56:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01639; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D04656431@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: syncing 2 jambuddies Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:53:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody had any luck syncing two jamdudes together? i've tried several methods, but without much success - they either gradually creep apart, or the master unit loops first and triggers the slave into a loop (not much good for on-the-fly loopage!). i've tried using the midi clock from one unit into the other and also using an external midi clock generator into both units. anybody nailed this problem? cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 09:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02160; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02c75$1953ec20$a54c480c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: Subject: Re: "Oceanic' Music wanted for video projects Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:31:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dr..... I have a few Ambient pieces at MP3.com: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/160/will_green.html If you would, give them a listen. Also, on my links page are the links to three of my friends, James Johnson, Kelvin L Smith and Darshan Music, all makers of Fine Ambient Music, which might suit your needs. If you do contact them, please mention my name by way of an introduction. Till later... Will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:07:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02677; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06c901c02c79$20697120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm close but I want to be perfect... Pratt, with all due respect, you need to read the manual, man! You can even download a PDF version from the LD website. It reveals all the secret truths, magical techniques, and PARAMETER incantations which are hidden behind the meek looking EDP front panel. It even has graphic diagrams detailing the structure of the universe (as understood by the EDP). Suffer through the reading, and your effort will redeem you. Remember, the truth shall set you free! But it is not available as a "book on tape". ;) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03233; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D88DDF.81F8BA9C@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:30:08 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Musical Products. Mailbox is full Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do the guys at Boomerang ever empty their voice mailbox so others can leave messages. It's been full for 3 weeks! Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03496; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <072301c02c7d$8b7070f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael! I'll try to help, but I'm not sure I understand what you're try to do. I think of the EDP as "stacking" sound. You can start with a foundation in Loop 1. Loop 1: basic-riff Now you can stack more on top of that, either via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP, or overdubbing in some fashion. Say you do it via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP. Now you have - Loop 1: basic riff Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 and you can continue - Loop 1: basic riff Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 Loop 3: basic riff + overdub 1 + overdub 2 etc. How ever you choose to add sound, you can remove only the topmost overdub. So you can "remove" by switching back to a different loop memory or via UNDO. In all cases you can't remove sound underneath the topmost layer with out removing the top first. It's a stack and you have direct access only to the top. If you want to remove something in the middle or at the beginning of the stack, you need multiple EDPs. At least that's why I got a second one. Does this help? Kim has a great analogy with trains going 'round a track. So I suppose what I'm saying is that you can only take cars off the back of the train. But WAIT! This isn't strictly true. You can remove cycles in a loop. See "CHANGING THE NUMBER OF CYCLES IN AN EXISTING LOOP" on page 4-44 in the EDP manual. And there's the INSERT feature, of course which is like adding cars in the middle of the train. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 11:24:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04132; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks dad, I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if people had mastered it or had a tip on making it smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not attempt to help or rather nag me any further. Allen --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > I'm close but I want to be perfect... > > Pratt, with all due respect, you need to read the > manual, man! You can even > download a PDF version from the LD website. It > reveals all the secret truths, > magical techniques, and PARAMETER incantations which > are hidden behind the meek > looking EDP front panel. It even has graphic > diagrams detailing the structure > of the universe (as understood by the EDP). Suffer > through the reading, and > your effort will redeem you. Remember, the truth > shall set you free! > > But it is not available as a "book on tape". ;) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 11:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04517; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02c88$58e8cc80$31ddd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Real smooth EDP Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:49:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2F30vB.A.SGB.25K25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello time mongers, I find that having a drum machine send the EDP MIDI clock and syncing our loop monster (with quantize on) is an excellent way of knowing "where 1 is". Of course that takes some of the mystery out of it :=] but it makes everything "smooth" (a lot like smooth jazz, I think--less risk, less rewards). Turn Timing/sync to "In". BTW, this sure beats the Jamman setup, where the looper wouldn't start without a clock pulse if you were set to MIDI sync--the Jammer also divvied the loop up differently, such that you had to make the loop a certain length to match the length of the drum pattern. Of course, for your purposes, you can just have an eighth note pattern, like shaker or high hat, and have it turned down low, to take advantage of the precision of the syncing. It also helps to have a machine with a tempo tap footswitch so you can set tempos quickly--I'm using the SR-16. Now go play! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06766; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D9464E.A6897BE0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:37:02 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pratt Winkle wrote: > > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen explain it smoother Dad Dennis has a hearing aid gizmo and he gets feedback loops sometimes what do you mean by "it still is a bit rough" because with switch quantize:cycle its dead on Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 14:01:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07548; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07dc01c02c99$f903d410$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <39D9464E.A6897BE0@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dad Dennis has a hearing aid gizmo and he gets feedback loops sometimes ehhh?? ayyy?? What's that you said?? You'll have to speak up over this awful buzzing in my head. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 14:36:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08799; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001002133345.007e9bf0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:33:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? In-Reply-To: <072301c02c7d$8b7070f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, Thanks for the overview! Yes, I'm familiar with what you describe. Perhaps that is the direction I'll go. Create Loop One, then switch to Loop 2 and begin layering. Thanks, Michael At 09:32 AM 10/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Michael! > >I'll try to help, but I'm not sure I understand what you're try to do. > >I think of the EDP as "stacking" sound. You can start with a foundation in Loop >1. > > Loop 1: basic-riff > >Now you can stack more on top of that, either via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP, or >overdubbing in some fashion. Say you do it via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP. Now you >have - > > Loop 1: basic riff > Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 > >and you can continue - > > Loop 1: basic riff > Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 > Loop 3: basic riff + overdub 1 + overdub 2 > >etc. > >How ever you choose to add sound, you can remove only the topmost overdub. So >you can "remove" by switching back to a different loop memory or via UNDO. In >all cases you can't remove sound underneath the topmost layer with out removing >the top first. It's a stack and you have direct access only to the top. > >If you want to remove something in the middle or at the beginning of the stack, >you need multiple EDPs. At least that's why I got a second one. > >Does this help? Kim has a great analogy with trains going 'round a track. So I >suppose what I'm saying is that you can only take cars off the back of the >train. > >But WAIT! This isn't strictly true. You can remove cycles in a loop. See >"CHANGING THE NUMBER OF CYCLES IN AN EXISTING LOOP" on page 4-44 in the EDP >manual. And there's the INSERT feature, of course which is like adding cars in >the middle of the train. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:28:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12602; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:27:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: looking to buy used BEHRINGER ULTRAFEX PRO EX3200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have one of these laying around that they want to get rid of? in working condition, of course. thanx, traig.s.foltz.5@nd.edu Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 18:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15993; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Cc: Subject: EOT: English Spanish spam spam, spam Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <39D602A4.E67C2E80@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry guys, I wasn't thinking too hard when I sent that delightful message to you all last week. From the responses I got, I can conclude that: a) None of you were interested in buying Spanish motorcycles either and, b) My Spanish spam is not your Spanish Spam, and in fact seems to be coming from different part of Spain altogether. Not the same place as everyone else Spanish's spam at all. I'm getting about 5-10 pieces of Spanish Spam a day; along with the other crap, and my secret-personal-don't-post-anywhere-with-it inbox has started to look like a newsgroup, without the pirated software. It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to stop the flow. Oh well. I'd better go now; my 'inbox' bell just rang, which means that there's an urgent message just waiting for me to open it. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:14 AM To: Jonathan El-Bizri Subject: your spanish spam spam hey jonathan no offense, but please refrain from this kind of thing. it's aggaravating enough to get as much spam as we do in the first place, but to be subjected to this from a list member who should know better is over the top. i think a mea culpa to the list is in order. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27046; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p40-max11.syd.ihug.com.au [206.17.105.232] claimed to be alisonjo Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001003154210.007bfa50@pop.ihug.com.au> X-Sender: herbal@pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:42:10 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alison Subject: RE: Novation Bass Station In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000928102816.007b59d0@pop.ihug.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I downloaded a copy. At 14:41 28/09/00 -0500, you wrote: > >> I've been looking everywhere for a novation bass station >> manual, but can't >> find one. I really need it! Could someone help me? > >I have the bass station (keyboard...not rackmount) and have >the manual in some form around here somewhere. Is there something >particular you need? > >Ooops...nevermind. The http://www.novationusa.com/ web >site was unreachable this morning...but it looks like it >is reachable again. They have all of the manuals in pdf format >(look under 'downloads'). > > Mike McGary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27263; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003060417.23838.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: FS: SH-101 grey w/adapter To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SH-101 in very good shape with boss 9v adapter. $400 buyer pays shipping If you pay up-front I can get a better deal on shipping through my job. But I cannot do COD from there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:16:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27548; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003061513.29238.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: What is the going rate$ for ...(loop gear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech time machine 7.6.........? Digitech time machine 8000.........? Lexicon Jam man.............? Oberheim EDP vs. Gibson EDP.....? vs. ? Other gear? Are the units listed above the best, I'd like your opinions. How about the best loop bang for the buck. My vote goes to the time machines, assuming they are in the 150-200 dollar range. A friend has one and I am about to trade him for it. Of course, the EDP is the best but now we are talking some serious schazole. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28000; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003064517.573.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech timemachines) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_Mp3Y.A.E1G.6BY25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the difference? (to the gentleman in the back row,I know one is 7.6 sec. and one is 8 sec.)And they are different in color, but what do the different buttons on the 7.6 do that the knobs on the 8000 do not? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00353; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:13:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Multiply Function and Building an Elegant Blues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary asked a difficult question and insist on it ;-): >Now to the part I don't fully understand. Let's alter the chord >progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" >chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time >(now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the >second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and >when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two >bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am >treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar >6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During >bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" >chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What >gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? >BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil >That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( > I find it hard to imagine how that sounds or which part is multiplied when. I wanted to figure it out on paper or playing, but I still did not and you need some answer. I must say found it amazing to hear what you brought tomind, I never did that! Since nobody answers on the list, you may be the first one to go that far,,, you feel the lonelyness of the pioneer, the track where noone can tell you whether it makes sense to walk further on it and when you listen to your dimm inner voices there are several... well its probably not that dramatic :-) Maybe it helps if I give the simple rule: It allways starts multiplying from where you are. The stuff that it would have been playing without pressing multiply is what is going to be first in the multiplied (or inserted) part and if you increase the total lenght (more cycles after multiply than before, natural but not necessary), it simply comes back again to the spot where you started multiply (or the next cycle start, as you work with Quantize, right?) and repeats the same whole loop you had before starting Multiply. - I am not shure whether this is very clear... there are drawings in the manuals... So you would like to multiply only the "I" chord... how could the machine where that is... You could use NextMultiply for this and close FeedBack during the phase you play the new chord. Maybe pressing Insert during NextMultiply does a NextInsert and when pressing Multiply again it continues to copy sound from the previous loop? I never did that either, if it makes sense, I could care for it... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00922; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [130.227.205.238] From: "Jon Meinild" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Repeater-offer? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:33:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 13:33:13.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A839580:01C02D3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could anybody correct me if I'm wrong: Is there any type of repeater-special-we-all-go-together-and-save-some-money-offer, and does have anything to do with braincramp.org? jon_meinild@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:59:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01335; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003085122.01ad1e50@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:52:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: The Repeater-offer? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Meinild (08:33 AM 10.03.2000) wrote: >Could anybody correct me if I'm wrong: > >Is there any type of repeater-special-we-all-go-together-and-save-some- >money-offer, and does have anything to do with braincramp.org? Yeup. Drop a line to Noah through repeater@braincramp.org and tell him you want in. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 10:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02119; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <46.b5d4cd6.270b4c1c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:50:04 EDT Subject: t.c D-One To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is expandable?... interesting review of said box in the new guitar player magazine... comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two... cheers, RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 11:55:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03155; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:53:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003104746.02b9ce30@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:51:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: t.c D-One In-Reply-To: <46.b5d4cd6.270b4c1c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RA336@aol.com (09:50 AM 10.03.2000) wrote: >anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is >expandable?... interesting review of said box in the new guitar player >magazine... >comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two... Nope, it's not expandable by any normal means. i.e., if you're handy with hacking devices like this then you may be able to graft more memory into it. fwiw, T.C. Electronic has also told me that they aren't planning any further feature enhancements for it. But, the box is flash upgradable, so who knows. :) It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ (and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:40:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03998; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:28:14 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this group--one of the reasons I stay and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search engine on your excellent site . . . I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen AND >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04294; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003114618.00f8c760@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:48:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Lambrecht (01:28 PM 10.03.2000) wrote: >and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search >engine on your excellent site . . . yikes... Hi Tom! (thanks!) Actually, the one that Kim is running is pretty nice. I like the content display. I tend to prefer a more bare-bones approach personally, but I know that the folks that use the AH search might like it. I have a major re-write in the works as it is... Hmmmm.... Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04369; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:59:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say about...(and you're right, i never post on AH either) Most of the looping on here is hardware related while i do most of mine software-wise, and I was hoping more for sources of free soundloops...however this list has helped turn me on to phasing, which i think is some really cool stuff...however I haven't done any of it yet... Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on > Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this > group--one of the reasons I stay > > and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search > engine on your excellent site . . . > > I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over > and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > > > > > > Thanks dad, > > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > > Allen > > > AND > > > > >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have > >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > > > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ > > > > >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) > > >Mark > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:55:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04296; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:49:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HEY I HAVE BAGGY PANTS ON! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com /me cries c Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as onAnalogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this group--one of the reasons I stay and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search engine on your excellent site . . . I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen AND >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:16:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04744; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:11:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on >Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this >group--one of the reasons I stay > Hey, I resemble that remark! At least, my pants do. They're belligerent enough for both of us. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:26:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04965; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:22:17 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking for the best way to split one signal into many (at least four) and then recombine the many back into one without buying a big hunking mixer with umpteen send/returns. I came across the Rane web page and saw their SM 26B. It is a one-to-six splitter or a six-to-one mixer in a single rack space. It can also be configured as a one-to-three splitter _and_ three-to-one mixer or cascaded with other SM 26B's ad infinitum. I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? Is anyone here using this unit? Where did you get it? How much did you pay? -Allan |: i repeat myself to relieve my stress :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:28:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05098; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015201c02d60$542539d0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: WAY OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:35:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, thank god i'm not the only one Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: RE: good-natured knifetwisting > > > > >hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on > >Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this > >group--one of the reasons I stay > > > > Hey, I resemble that remark! > > At least, my pants do. They're belligerent enough for both of us. > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05208; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:31:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:31:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:26:44 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gap outlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check the archives was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their parents took away their violent video games anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs medium . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr WHOOSH ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > Joshua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:42:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05361; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:34:53 EDT Subject: an overdue apology To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <29.af03dc3.270b72bd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5tzUGC.A.eTB.hjh25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, i wrote a brief missive a couple of weeks ago about all the grief my edp has given me.. and what i considered a "lame" policy by gibson of not having multiple locations and technicians for service.. i'm afraid it was a bit of a rant. i had spent the day trying to convince the 'plex that all it needed was some new memory and a little vitamin "c" and it would be fine.. it of course wasn;t and i had a fairly large gig in a day or so, and no hope of help (despite the fact that i am/was an edorser..) from gibson.. anyway. i apologize. this is not the proper forum to air my grievances and i certainly failed to phrase my comments in a way that might bring positive change to the situation. in short, i didn't think before i spoke (..errr.. wrote..). kim sent me a very kind letter pointing these facts out to me and i thought that since i had let my thoughtless words fly here that i should post my apology here as well. peace monk ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05422; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:38:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah tom was kinda my point as well :) Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gapoutlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check the archives was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their parents took away their violent video games anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs medium . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr WHOOSH ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > Joshua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05644; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA9997.400EAA4E@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:44:39 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? References: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Hoeltje wrote: > > I've been looking for the best way to split one signal into many (at > least four) and then recombine the many back into one without buying a > big hunking mixer with umpteen send/returns. I came across the Rane web > page and saw their SM 26B. It is a one-to-six splitter or a six-to-one > mixer in a single rack space. It can also be configured as a > one-to-three splitter _and_ three-to-one mixer or cascaded with other SM > 26B's ad infinitum. > > I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other > signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed > when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? > > Is anyone here using this unit? Where did you get it? How much did you > pay? > > -Allan > |: i repeat myself to relieve my stress :| Rane is very cool and sturdy no problem (I have a AP13 acoustic guitar preamp) but getting two SM 26B for your signal routing brings you near the price of a switchblade 16 which gives you true matrix patching 16 in 16 out and a lot of goodies to add they even have a lower price unit the switchblade 8 have a look there download the software that is used to configure the blades to see what it can do for you http://www.soundsculpture.com I dont use a mixer and all my signals in and out are patched into the SB from there anything in any order paralell,serie etc etc 75 presets Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05643; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003174454.12917.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: What was Jaco Pastorius using..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On those live from New York CD's? Since it is from the 70's or early eighties I assume it was an echoplex tape machine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:52:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05803; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016401c02d63$a1a94090$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom..considering the title of the message, i think we knew you meant no offense and that's why our retorts were of the same good nature... Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gap > outlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time > > for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as > they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the > fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- > > most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check > the archives > > was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the > overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in > verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their > parents took away their violent video games > > anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs > medium . . . > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > > click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old > hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr > > WHOOSH > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pulse 8 > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > > > > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > > > Joshua > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:08:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06115; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:04:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >the archives damn...caught. ima cutting my hair as soon as i get home. after i stop by the hippest store in town and gettin me some of dem baggy pants. actually, i feel kinda caught in the middle. i got into music as a punk rocker (1980ish), and took shit from the 'old hippies'. Now as i'm the aging one, the belligerent youngsters are stealing the thunder, whatever 'scene' they're into. I guess it's cool that they can die their hair green, wear extravagent clothes and tongue piercings and not have to worry about getting the holy crap beat out of them by walking down a street minding their own business. Some of us old fogies actually went through that. What this has to do with looping, ya got me. Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. Seems like a nice side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book by it's cover anymore... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06412; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:12:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: an overdue apology In-reply-to: <29.af03dc3.270b72bd@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:34 AM -0700 10/3/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >hey all, > i wrote a brief missive a couple of weeks ago about all the grief my edp >has given me.. and what i considered a "lame" policy by gibson of not >having multiple locations and technicians for service.. such a lame policy that it has been incredibly better than the one you recommended! Everyone seems to be very happy with Shane's work. I still don't understand why you slag them for fixing a serious problem caused by outside repair services and making it better! multiple locations meant you had a lot of different repair guys who got maybe one echoplex in their shop a year, had no idea how to fix it, were lucky if they could even find their docs on it, and generally made things worse rather than fixing anything. And Gibson had no quality control over it. Now you have one location that is well trained, has all the info they need, and cares about doing the job well. trust me, it is a lot better. > i'm afraid it was a bit of a rant. i had spent the day trying to >convince the 'plex that all it needed was some new memory and a little >vitamin "c" and it would be fine.. it of course wasn;t and i had a fairly >large gig in a day or so, and no hope of help (despite the fact that i >am/was an edorser..) from gibson.. > anyway. i apologize. this is not the proper forum to air my grievances I guess that it is nice you apologize, although you are still spreading this misinformation that Gibson will not help people. Have you ever even talked to Shane? He's a great guy, he gets on problems right away and takes care of it. Call him. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:25:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06549; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001003132133.008163f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:21:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm an old hippie too, anyway. Make loops, not war. M. At 11:04 AM 10/3/00 -0700, you wrote: >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >>the archives > > >damn...caught. > >ima cutting my hair as soon as i get home. after i stop by the >hippest store in town and gettin me some of dem baggy pants. > >actually, i feel kinda caught in the middle. i got into music as a >punk rocker (1980ish), and took shit from the 'old hippies'. Now as >i'm the aging one, the belligerent youngsters are stealing the >thunder, whatever 'scene' they're into. I guess it's cool that they >can die their hair green, wear extravagent clothes and tongue >piercings and not have to worry about getting the holy crap beat out >of them by walking down a street minding their own business. Some of >us old fogies actually went through that. > >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. > >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. Seems like a nice >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book >by it's cover anymore... > >rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06763; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:33:38 EDT Subject: whoa... To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <94.a43e495.270b8082@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, i said "considered" past tense... whoa killer, i was trying to apologize. i'm not sure who i talked with the last two or three times i've called but i've only talked with one person who actually works on them. his atitude was completely disinterested. i asked some questions to see if i could perhaps troubleshoot it from this end. he was completely nonchalant. and basically said " yeah, yeah, yeah.. send it in and we'll send it back to you fixed in six to eight weeks.." i'll be glad to talk to shane. do you have a direct number for him? i have also tried to get thru to the echolplex service folks and been stymied at least twice... kim, i meant to say i'm sorry. not to reopen this whole can of worms. from my side, i have given gibson two or three chances to be civil and helpful and they have not been interested in either on several occasions. i agree that the policy may be better than the last one and for that, they should be commended. but is it really realistic to have a piece of pro gear that can only be fixed by a few people in a one place. i'll be touring in europe in a couple of weeks.. what if it crashes there? isn't it conceivable that they could communicate a shop manual (or make it availble on the web) so that the other qualified folks in the world could fix it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07556; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:56:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:04 AM -0700 10/3/00, rich wrote: >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >>the archives > There go the baby boomers again, trying to claim all sorts of glory for themselves.... :-) real musicians, sheesh... >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. I saw it this weekend too. I loved it that he caught them stealing Ryuichi Sakamoto albums..... >Seems like a nice >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book >by it's cover anymore... that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and the haircut style is definitly not a common one. Yet I work in a very conventional corporate office managing a team of hardware engineers. (if you don't know engineering culture, HW engineers are not ever freaks the way software engineers sometimes are...:-) Its quite a discontinuity, really, and I think it throws people off in both directions. (which is great fun.) But it amazes me how little my appearance seems to matter. I notice when I'm in meetings with other professional types, my hair might catch their attention for a moment, and then it's like they completely filter it out and don't notice anymore once the meeting is going. It certainly didn't affect my career in any way. In fact, some of my boring coworkers seem to live vicariously through me wishing they had the guts to dye their hair funny colors too. I haven't talked any of them into it yet though. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:30:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08019; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:28:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: speaking of Echoplexes... References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was a very good boy and did a few extra contract jobs. Now I've got a chunk of cash and it's got looper written all over it. (which is a Federal offense, but who cares?) So I guess my question is not if the Echoplex will be my tool of choice, but is it available? I put my name in at Alto music months ago when the first re-releases started shipping, but never heard back. The Electrix page says 11/15 is the release date of the Repeater. I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. I emailed the group buy Repeater guy but have not heard anything back. Anyone know any inside info? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08300; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion><20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net><001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let me guess, you're not in Texas... I used to get shit ALL THE DAMNED TIME as a manager of a technical support call center, and none of my piercings were visible, and I was the youngest with the next youngest being a good 7 years older than I. Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > At 11:04 AM -0700 10/3/00, rich wrote: > >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check > >>the archives > > > > There go the baby boomers again, trying to claim all sorts of glory for > themselves.... :-) real musicians, sheesh... > > > > >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. > > > >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids > >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on > >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. > > I saw it this weekend too. I loved it that he caught them stealing Ryuichi > Sakamoto albums..... That was sweet :) > > >Seems like a nice > >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion > >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book > >by it's cover anymore... > that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and > the haircut style is definitly not a common one. Yet I work in a very > conventional corporate office managing a team of hardware engineers. (if > you don't know engineering culture, HW engineers are not ever freaks the > way software engineers sometimes are...:-) Its quite a discontinuity, > really, and I think it throws people off in both directions. (which is > great fun.) But it amazes me how little my appearance seems to matter. I > notice when I'm in meetings with other professional types, my hair might > catch their attention for a moment, and then it's like they completely > filter it out and don't notice anymore once the meeting is going. It > certainly didn't affect my career in any way. In fact, some of my boring > coworkers seem to live vicariously through me wishing they had the guts to > dye their hair funny colors too. I haven't talked any of them into it yet > though. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09880; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:06:34 EDT Subject: Re: speaking waggishly of Echoplexes... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <1XCeUD.A.GaC.2xj25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated Tue, 3 Oct 2000 3:30:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Sottilaro writes: I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. > If you demo an EDP and a Repeater, wouldn't that create some sort of infinity? A swirling mass of nascent energies that regernates itself to the point of Zool? A noise that lasts until the AC is cut off? You could get them just out-of-sync the right amount so as to cause severe cognitive dissonance. You could also just get one slave (illegal in the US for some time now, except at certain computer manufacturers) to peel one shrimp, and loop the whole experience. I saw the Flaming Lips, and they looped video of Judy Garland as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz singing just the word 'why' from 'Over the Rainbow', and then did a straight reading of the song themselves over the loop.. it was somewhere in the realm of perverse and hilarious... the vague sexuality of young Dorothy mouthing 'why' over and over... made me wanna peel a shrimp kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:35:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11342; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion><20001002152133.8466.qmail@web630 2.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c 229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net><001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion > <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:33:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-5gUQD.A.9wC.qKk25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >let me guess, you're not in Texas... > >I used to get shit ALL THE DAMNED TIME as a manager of a technical support >call center, and none of my piercings were visible, and I was the youngest >with the next youngest being a good 7 years older than I. > >Joshua hahaha! you're right...definitely not from Texas. No, us California boys suffered a bit from the 'bashing', but Texas is a whole different story. I don't look nearly as 'out there' as i did in high school, and the last time i was in Texas (in liberal Austin, no less), i thought i was going to be tied to a pickup truck and dragged through town from some of the looks i got. now if they could have only seen me in drag in my stunning Princess Leia getup. (with that long hair, I can get them 'cinnamon buns' happening real good...) ok...i win the OT award today. nya nya... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11992; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:54:55 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: speaking waggishly of Echoplexes... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA11951 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK... I know it would be FUN to have both and EDP and a Repeater side by side to demo... beyond basic comparison of sound quality and loop splice point artifacts (clicks etc.) I'd say you're not going to really have the knowledge you need to actually get any deeper. (Unless you have the unlikely knowledgable sales person who can actually demo them for you... good luck with that! 80)) -Miko >>> KB305@aol.com 10/03/00 01:07PM >>> In a message dated Tue, 3 Oct 2000 3:30:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Sottilaro writes: I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. > If you demo an EDP and a Repeater, wouldn't that create some sort of infinity? A swirling mass of nascent energies that regernates itself to the point of Zool? A noise that lasts until the AC is cut off? You could get them just out-of-sync the right amount so as to cause severe cognitive dissonance. You could also just get one slave (illegal in the US for some time now, except at certain computer manufacturers) to peel one shrimp, and loop the whole experience. I saw the Flaming Lips, and they looped video of Judy Garland as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz singing just the word 'why' from 'Over the Rainbow', and then did a straight reading of the song themselves over the loop.. it was somewhere in the realm of perverse and hilarious... the vague sexuality of young Dorothy mouthing 'why' over and over... made me wanna peel a shrimp kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14328; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: pcamann@csc.com Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech timemachines) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VA-FCH32/SRV/CSC(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/03/2000 06:03:09 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>What is the difference? (to the gentleman in the back row,I know one is 7.6 sec. and one is 8 sec.)And they are different in color, but what do the different buttons on the 7.6 do that the knobs on the 8000 do not? << I own one of each, and the short answer to the second question is, well, nothing really. I don't have them in front of me, so I'm going on memory, but the 7.6 has a flashing LED which gives you a visual indication of the start/end of a loop. It may also have an extra control jack or two on the back for setting/synchronizing delay times to drum machines or footswitches. The rotary control on the 8000 (which is a detented pot like the DOD DFX94) does the same thing as the buttons on the 7.6 for range switching. The most important difference is internal -- the 8000 board is _much_ smaller than the 7.6, and has a big honkin' LSI chip for doing all of the delay functions. I believe (someone may want to correct me on this) it is also a 12-bit sampler/delay; the 7.6 is definitely 8-bit. I will now happily unsubscribe and re-enter the lurker's murk... Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 19:53:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16885; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:22:15 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c02da1$bbdbc260$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're absolutely right and I did ;) even if I didn't put any smilies after my post just couldn't resist the opportunity to call attention to this little escalation of hostilities whch 90% of the time stems from the temporal limitations of e-mail compared to conversational mode--I've been as guilty as anyone on this and other newsgoups--all that time I spent doing aikido and still responding to push with shove . . . when two people chat with each other tete a tete, they get real-time feedback that lets them know how the other is taking it and can clarify their ambiguous remarks before things turn ugly ample opportunities to turn down the gain before the rig spews cacaphony and blows . . . which is why it's always good to let at least one totally outrageous post go right by you before you knee-jerk an equally outrageous one out on the keyboard yeah, me and madeline albright %^+) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > Tom..considering the title of the message, i think we knew you meant no > offense and that's why our retorts were of the same good nature... > > Joshua > Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:10:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18414; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:07:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010031837.OAA06825@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? >I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other >signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed >when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? I've used two SM-26's, both of which I purchased used for under $150 each. The cheapest Switchblade lists for $750. You can take a stereo or mono signal, and then do a bunch of things--three mono send and returns, three stereo sends to another mixer, mono send and return with two stereo splits, etc, etc. The buffered signal helps keep your input level to the various devices (loopers, processors. whatever) constant regardless of what you do to the other channels, helps maintain your fidelity, etc. Their nickname for it is the "Swiss Army Mixer", and I've found it to be very useful. You can use it with balanced or unbalanced signals. I used one for years to take a mono signal, send it to three loopers and then bring it all back to a mono source. You won't be able to recombine four signals with just the SM-26, you'll need a second mixer for more than three mono signals. A simple patchbay won't do all that, but might let you split your signal from one source to several devices and then recombine the signal at the end. TravisH -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:57:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21106; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001003224933.007c7af0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:49:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM 10/3/00 -0700, some purple-haired guy wrote: >that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and >the haircut style is definitly not a common one. OK, Kim, now ya gotta post a picture somewhere so we can see what you're talking about... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:15:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21457; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:14:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, and . This is one of the best things I've heard in recent memory. Played it 3 times this afternoon while trying to work with a blown mind. Great, great stuff. I got the "Remikses" disc last week, and it's actually kind of interesting to get my ears accustomed to the remix before hearing the "aktuel" mix (but hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore anyway?). ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 01:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23822; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001004053628.1397.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5rKy7D.A.5zF.bHs25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ho Yeah! --- Tim Nelson wrote: > At 11:56 AM 10/3/00 -0700, some purple-haired guy wrote: > >that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this > week....), and > >the haircut style is definitly not a common one. > > OK, Kim, now ya gotta post a picture somewhere so we can see what > you're > talking about... > > -t > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:42:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24937; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:34:11 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: whoa... In-reply-to: <94.a43e495.270b8082@aol.com> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 AM -0700 10/3/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >i'm not sure who i talked with the last two or three times >i've called but i've only talked with one person who actually works on >them. his atitude was completely disinterested. i asked some questions to >see if i could perhaps troubleshoot it from this end. he was completely >nonchalant. and basically said " yeah, yeah, yeah.. send it in and we'll >send it back to you fixed in six to eight weeks.." sounds like the way things were a year ago, before they fixed the problem. >i'll be glad to talk to shane. do you have a direct number for him? i have >also tried to get thru to the echolplex service folks and been stymied at >least twice... I'm pretty sure I gave it to you last time, but here it is again: Shane is sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. These phone numbers are readily available on the Echoplex section of the Looper's Delight site. I keep such things up to date, so you should be able to check there any time to get info like this. > i agree that the policy may be better than the last one and for that, >they should be commended. but is it really realistic to have a piece of >pro gear that can only be fixed by a few people in a one place. of course it is! you can ship things anywhere in the country in a day, so there won't be any difference in repair time. (except that Shane gets stuff done much faster than any of the independent services used to.) What pro wouldn't want an expert to fix their gear? Instead you want some untrained guy who could only find a job in the electronics industry at the local music store? It's not like there are a lot of echoplexes needing repairs at any given time, you don't need more than one repair shop. I think this is how most industries work now. >i'll be >touring in europe in a couple of weeks.. what if it crashes there? They make it in Europe!! You can take it directly to Trace Elliot and get it fixed by the technicians there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 03:29:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:13:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 PM -0700 10/3/00, Dave Trenkel wrote: >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... > >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, and >. This is one of the best things I've heard in recent memory. Played >it 3 times this afternoon while trying to work with a blown mind. Great, >great stuff. I got it too, and second that! I've only got a couple listens on it so far, but it's deep, fabulous music. >I got the "Remikses" disc last week, and it's actually kind of interesting >to get my ears accustomed to the remix before hearing the "aktuel" mix (but >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore >anyway?). > I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The Automator. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 04:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25864; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:01:47 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson > >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 > >bits........hope this helps......michael > > actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original > is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that > to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the > JamMan. Wait, you're both right. Sort of... The original is 16KHz with 16 bit samples. The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 04:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26168; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DAE5DF.DF8E3121@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:10:08 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Musical Products. Mailbox is full References: <39D88DDF.81F8BA9C@sigecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do the guys at Boomerang ever empty their voice mailbox so others can > leave messages. It's been full for 3 weeks! Yeah, we do, but hey, we're just popular. ;) -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27697; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:37:19 EDT Subject: OT: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, >and . well no, sir, i ain't embarassed: (i just quoted ya, didn't i?) *-) thanks, though. >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore >anyway?). exactly..... a loop, kinda like: {>create>reconfigure> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28290; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:33:04 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 04/10/2000 12:33:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all .. for those of you who haven't heard these releases, there are sampels of both available on http://www.geocities.com/splattercell/ and another :::OAH sample on Solid States (may be a little slow if the traffic is high) http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn and just FYI, the official URLs (which I think are listed on the releases .. davidtorn.com / splattercell.com) should become active over the next few weeks. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 09:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29809; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> References: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:49:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2cPlnC.A.gRH.bSz25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. > >-- >Mike Nelson wow, Mike... how did you do that? Are you joking? What is the frequency response? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 09:48:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29803; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:48:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: speaking of Echoplexes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was a very good boy and did a few extra contract jobs. Now I've got a chunk >of cash and it's got looper written all over it. (which is a Federal offense, >but who cares?) > >So I guess my question is not if the Echoplex will be my tool of >choice, but is >it available? I put my name in at Alto music months ago when the first >re-releases started shipping, but never heard back. The Electrix page says >11/15 is the release date of the Repeater. As I observe the process at Trace, they will not quite make it for that date, but real soon afterwards... >I'd love to be able to demo the two >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves >pealing me >shrimp all day. someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 10:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30285; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB2B03.E58014FF@sigecom.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:05:08 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question for Boomerang upgraders/Mike Nelson. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Di you guys have to send in the whole pedal to have the guys at Boomerang install the upgrade or did you get the upgrade and do it yourself? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:01:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31228; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:58:21 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA31191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? Well... you can split or mult with a patch bay, but you won't get buffering which keeps signal levels at or near unity. You CAN actually boost your signal with the SM26 at the output allowing for better gain staging. The individual channels are unity gain I believe. You probably shouldn't recombine or mult outputs (mixing). > I've used two SM-26's, both of which I purchased used for under $150 each. The cheapest Switchblade lists for $750. Good prices! I sold mine (maybe on this list?) for more like $250... They're worth it... Still a LOT cheaper than the 8 channel Switchblade. (Although the blade does things NO other system will do, although you HAVE to have a midi controller and a computer to program and use it. > You can take a stereo or mono signal, and then do a bunch of things--three mono send and returns, three stereo sends to another mixer, mono send and return with two stereo splits, etc, etc. The buffered signal helps keep your input level to the various devices (loopers, processors. whatever) constant regardless of what you do to the other channels, helps maintain your fidelity, etc. Their nickname for it is the "Swiss Army Mixer", and I've found it to be very useful. You can use it with balanced or unbalanced signals. I used one for years to take a mono signal, send it to three loopers and then bring it all back to a mono source. You won't be able to recombine four signals with just the SM-26, you'll need a second mixer for more than three mono signals. All true... I mostly used my as 2 aux sends and returned 2 stereo pairs... The output volume knob served as a handy master volume knob on my rack. > A simple patchbay won't do all that, but might let you split your signal from one source to several devices and then recombine the signal at the end. TravisH Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical explanation of this?) Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32018; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB5F60.5F0A270A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:48:33 -0800 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: splattercell::OAH References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OT , But since it was posted to the list...... Dave, are your dates at the Knitting Factory (L.A.) still a go?? I've checked their sight but, but your gigs are not listed.. If they are I'll see ya there.. TIA joe Texture444@aol.com wrote: > >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... > >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, > >and . > > well no, sir, i ain't embarassed: > (i just quoted ya, didn't i?) > *-) > thanks, though. > > > >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore > >anyway?). > exactly..... a loop, kinda like: > {>create>reconfigure> maybe not so elegant nor refined, but..... > best, > dt / sc > > SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH > (CD & vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes of SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH > by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter > Burwell, SPLaTTeRCeLL feat. Tim Bowness (of NoMan), Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando > Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 extra SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > > All On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com > > SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah > Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf > List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 12:16:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32586; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:12:29 EDT Subject: Re: whoa... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <7d.b2a1e06.270cb144@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, thanks for the information. i will call shane and see what he says. i'm curious, though, if only a few need repairing, i wonder why the turnaround was so long (even with fed-x shipping..)? i will be mostly in holland and belgium in november and dec. is there a place there to have things looked at in short order? thanks monk ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 12:41:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00567; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:37:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:58 AM -0700 10/4/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with >a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical >explanation of this?) This is sort of a simple view of this issue: Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). Low impedance is used on outputs so that there is sufficient power to drive a run of cable. Low impedance outputs deliver enough current to cause them to fight to drive the line. You could build a simple passive mixer into a patch bay using resistors to raise the impedance to a point where the outputs are isolated from each other. An input loads an output, but modern high impedance inputs are hardly any load on a low impedance output. Several high impedance inputs can hang off of one low impedance output without undue loading. Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01160; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB63F2.7420C6E0@best.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:08:02 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Vy4KB.A.zR.HR225@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Tiktok, Claude, and Mike for providing such useful information on my split-mix, buffered, and balanced questions. Just try to get a straight answer at a music/gear store on stuff like this! It's what makes LD such a great place to hang out. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01398; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: Looping Gig: Electrochakra @ The Old Peculiar 10/7/00 (Seattle, WA) From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra, a loop-heavy trio, will be playing this Saturday night at The Old Peculiar (1722 NW. Market, Seattle, Washington, USA) between 10:30PM and 1AM. Admission is free, but the Bread Alone Project (http://members.tripod.com/breadaloneproject/index.html) will be accepting donations of canned food at the door and selling copies of the Bread Alone CD, a compilation of Seattle-area musicians with proceeds going to the Bread Alone Project. New mp3's of Electrochakra have just been posted to: www.mp3.com/electrochakra for your listening enjoyment. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02846; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:20:17 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA02803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical explanation of this?) > This is sort of a simple view of this issue: > Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). > Low impedance is used on outputs so that there is sufficient power to drive a run of cable. Low impedance outputs deliver enough current to cause them to fight to drive the line. You could build a simple passive mixer into a patch bay using resistors to raise the impedance to a point where the outputs are isolated from each other. Are they just tied to ground? What values might be a good starting point... I could see myself doing some mods to my bay to gain this ability! Get rid of my line mixer possibly. > An input loads an output, but modern high impedance inputs are hardly any load on a low impedance output. Several high impedance inputs can hang off of one low impedance output without undue loading. Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. Thanks for the insights Chris... Time to finally buy a multi-meter and start using it! > Thank you Tiktok, Claude, and Mike for providing such useful information on my split-mix, buffered, and balanced questions. Just try to get a straight answer at a music/gear store on stuff like this! It's what makes LD such a great place to hang out. My pleasure Alan... glad I can get backup from the real tech gods around here as well! You'll NEVER hear this stuff at a music store... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:44:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03209; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:43:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:42:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:13 AM 10/4/00, Kim Flint wrote: > >I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out >now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The >Automator. :-) > The Tornomator? (Wasn't that a Yes record?) But seriously, it feels to me like the the OAH CD is a set of cells arranged to form one organism, the remix disc is the same set re-rdered to create a different beast. The compositions (other than "is love", which appears on both discs) are very different, it's not like the tunes are being re-purposed for the dance floor, it's like the remixers were encouraged to create entirely new pieces. I particularly like the Carter Burwell remix, because he's one of my favorite film composers and it's interesting to hear what he does in this context. One interesting twist: the piece "Romance Refined" on the remix disc adds Tim Bowness' (very David Sylvain-esque) vocals to "Romance w/space also letted go", making the remix sound more like an original tune and the original sound more like a remix of the remix, if ya know what I mean... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 15:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04478; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001004144943.00828300@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:49:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. I have guitar signal question. The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as they can/should. I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). Here's the set-up in the order of connections: Guitar A/B Box (2 Outs) Digitech 2101 Digitech 2112 Stereo Volume Pedal Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) Berringer Mixer Oberheim Echoplex Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) Amp Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the Digitechs and out to an amp. (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I love the Echoplex). Thanks! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04929; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB906E.6044926B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:17:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT References: <3.0.3.32.20001004144943.00828300@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's just a matter of achieving something called "unity gain" which means keeping the level the same throughout the path. You don't need any boosting device. Get that mic pre out of there! All you need to do is make sure all your input and output levels are where they should be. It's just a matter of trial and error, checking one device at a time. Some experimentation and patience should do the trick. Mark Michael Clark wrote: > Hi, > > This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. > > I have guitar signal question. > > The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through > my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as > they can/should. > > I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal > from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've > placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds > muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). > > Here's the set-up in the order of connections: > Guitar > A/B Box (2 Outs) > Digitech 2101 > Digitech 2112 > Stereo Volume Pedal > Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) > Berringer Mixer > Oberheim Echoplex > Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) > Amp > > Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of > signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the > Digitechs and out to an amp. > > (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I > love the Echoplex). > > Thanks! > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05628; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: shameless self-promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9nDS7D.A.sXB.le525@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, finally got off my ass and got going on the whole mp3.com deal. i have uploaded a couple of tunes from my solo recording project, AsOpaque. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/167/asopaque.html would love to have some feedback from y'all if you get a chance to check it out! best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:55:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05774; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:52:47 EDT Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <42.b824171.270cf2a0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi: I just struggled with a similar problem. I'm running my guitar into a Line6 Pro Pod then into an Alesis Quadraverb then into my Mackie mixer (with interchangable guitar pedals prior to the Pro Pod on occasion). I'm now taking a direct out of the mixer into a Behringer patchbay that connects to a PreSonus Blue Max compressor. Then into the Echoplex. The compressor helped out immeasurably with guitar as well as with digital drums, Roland Handsonic, et al into the Echoplex. Prior to using the compressor to front-end the Echoplex, I was having weak signal problems or, if I boosted the Echoplex gain, horrible distortion problems. Now I can get a nice, hefty signal into Echoplex (and keep the led nice and green with an occasional orange) with no distortion. Regards, Paul "the Butch Band" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06038; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:03:58 EDT Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have >the strength of >signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into >one of the >Digitechs and out to an amp. michael, is your a/b box active? it sounds like you have a loading problem. try the morley active a/b/c box. it usees a battery but i have used them on the raod for years and they keep your pickups from loading (dull lifeless/weak signal.) monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 18:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08365; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010042240.PAA10638@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:40:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is my humble opinion after yrs of head scratchin and thoughts of suicide(!?) the *only* way to get a beefy guitar signal w/ effex is for the guitar amplifier (pre)amp to see a signal right off the guitar's pick-ups -after that anything you use(mostly, you know them impedances, etc) to influence or alter that signal will work w/ some tweekin.so hopefully you have an effects loop in your guitar amp because there is only one rule-anything that you put between your guitar and your pre-amp degrades that signal-the more the 'worser'.IMHO...stanner ---------- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:17 PM > >It's just a matter of achieving something called "unity gain" which means >keeping the level the same throughout the path. You don't need any boosting >device. Get that mic pre out of there! All you need to do is make sure all >your input and output levels are where they should be. It's just a matter of >trial and error, checking one device at a time. Some experimentation and >patience should do the trick. > >Mark > >Michael Clark wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. >> >> I have guitar signal question. >> >> The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through >> my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as >> they can/should. >> >> I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal >> from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've >> placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds >> muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). >> >> Here's the set-up in the order of connections: >> Guitar >> A/B Box (2 Outs) >> Digitech 2101 >> Digitech 2112 >> Stereo Volume Pedal >> Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) >> Berringer Mixer >> Oberheim Echoplex >> Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) >> Amp >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of >> signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the >> Digitechs and out to an amp. >> >> (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I >> love the Echoplex). >> >> Thanks! >> >> Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 18:58:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08618; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DBB492.9572C51@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:52:02 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot : fireworx References: <200010042240.PAA10638@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5qLTk.A.eGC.IS725@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (please pardon the off-topic post.) I am selling a TC Electronic FireworX multi-effects unit. It is in showroom condition with the original box, manual, warranty card, and power cord. (There are still 2 years, 2 months remaining on the warranty.) Interested parties, please e-mail me privately. thanks, ryan supak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 19:04:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09077; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:02:35 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA09054 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> stanitarium@earthlink.net 10/04/00 03:40PM >>> > ... the *only* way to get a beefy guitar signal w/ effex is for the guitar amplifier (pre)amp to see a signal right off the guitar's pick-ups-after that anything you use(mostly, you know them impedances, etc) to influence or alter that signal will work w/ some tweekin.so hopefully you have an effects loop in your guitar amp because there is only one rule-anything that you put between your guitar and your pre-amp degrades that signal-the more the worser'.IMHO...stanner I realize that there's a cult of "nothing but the cord" sort of thing going on here. I respect that for those of you who actually WANT pristine guitar-amp-like sound... yeah... maybe that IS a good rule of thumb. But I've gotta say that NO amp out there makes the requisite ugly sounds I need to realize my finest musical goals. *-) I absolutely have to have a Fuzz Factory / Experience Fuzz / Big Cheese somewhere in my signal chain. The rest can be placed somewhere after the preamp, but damn! I just can't get enough of dem f***boxes! I also achieve a pretty damn HOT input level coming out of these boxes. The Fuzz Factory and Experience are both capable of WAAAAYYYY hot levels, and the Big Cheese is at least slightly above unity. I'd say it's probably the a/b box where he splits to his two guitar preamp/effectors or the Digi boxes themselves... they may require serious tweaking to get levels in a new ballpark... especially if all your patches are based on your own tweaking which got you there in the first place. I do the opposite and get the signals too HOT in my Boss GT-5 and then have to go through them all trying to get them at a more useful volume. >> Here's the set-up in the order of connections: >> Guitar >> A/B Box (2 Outs) >> Digitech 2101 >> Digitech 2112 >> Stereo Volume Pedal >> Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) >> Berringer Mixer >> Oberheim Echoplex >> Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) >> Amp There's a product which may be out of production called a Flo-Ho... anyone remember these? They were a pretty recent item... They split your signal to multiple amps and present the proper impedance to the guitar pickups. (Maybe Chris Muir will speak up here for the truly tech description!) Anyway... I'm thinking that you may need to carefully look at each stage of your rig and look at the level there individually. Make sure your Digitech units are able to get a fairly hot level +3 - +5 to your mixer. You might have to tweak several of the various modules to get them all functioning at the proper levels. Good luck! Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 20:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11465; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:40:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Impedance matching Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9T50SC.A.5yC.E2825@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:58 AM -0700 10/4/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >>Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes >>with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical >>explanation of this?) > >This is sort of a simple view of this issue: Thank you! Just to complete: >Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Still a lot of effect units and built in guitar preamps have 10k ohm outputs, meant to connect to a line input. Many OpAmp outputs that can drive 600 ohm without loss of volume are not distortion free in this situation. >Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, >although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). Input impedance is not related to modernity. Tubes achieve high impedance easily. The advantage of a lower input impedance is less sensitivity to oscilation and less noise/hum, especially in case of being open (not used). Microphone inputs should be at 600 ohm to avoid reflections in case of long cables (transmission line). But a mic also works on a higher impedance input. "Line" inputs (also home RCA kind) have 10k...50k ohm. High impedance in the Megohm range are only needed for pickups, especially piezo and guitar magnetics. So only equipment for instruments have this high impedance, not mixing desks. Frequent impedance missmatches are: guitar - mixer guitar kind volume pedal (500kOhm) - mixer guitar - passive DI box line out - long cable to stage A too low input imedance cuts treble of a magnetic pickup but bass of a piezo pickup. > Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the >inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 21:39:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12923; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <32.af4a99b.270d353f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:37:03 EDT Subject: SplatterCell cd To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." 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Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 23:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15825; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001005032908.14850.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: FS:Echoplex EDP, LOOP III, 198 sec. on e-bay To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459027037 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 01:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18508; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: speaking of Echoplexes... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:06:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But they're damn delicious cockroaches-of-the-sea... | -----Original Message----- | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] | Sent: Wednesday 04 October 2000 6:48 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: speaking of Echoplexes... | | >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves | >pealing me | >shrimp all day. | | someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 03:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21350; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014801c02e9d$82943cb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <32.af4a99b.270d353f@aol.com> Subject: Re: SplatterCell cd Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:25:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8HLsSD.A.YNF.W0C35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web > site. > > Thanks, James > apparently it's on amazon.com os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 03:31:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21429; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c02e9d$e1207dc0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH / No-Man Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:28:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One interesting twist: the piece "Romance Refined" on the remix disc adds > Tim Bowness' (very David Sylvain-esque) vocals to "Romance w/space also > letted go", making the remix sound more like an original tune and the > original sound more like a remix of the remix, if ya know what I mean... Just in case anyone's interested, Tim Bowness has plenty of other projects on the go, including the highly loop-friendly "Darkroom" (of which I'm a member). Some links: http://www.collective.co.uk/noman/ http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 04:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22034; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:52:12 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 AM -0700 10/4/00, Dave Trenkel wrote: >At 12:13 AM 10/4/00, Kim Flint wrote: >> >>I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out >>now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The >>Automator. :-) >> >The Tornomator? (Wasn't that a Yes record?) > >But seriously, it feels to me like the the OAH CD is a set of cells >arranged to form one organism, the remix disc is the same set re-rdered to >create a different beast. hey, the cd says it comes with splattercell loops to use with Acid. I propose we have a Looper's Delight Torn remix-athon! Let's see what the nut cases on this list can do with it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27378; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <12.31f9dfc.270dc2e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:41:24 EDT Subject: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web >site. j, 75ark doesn't do direct-sales, anyway, as far as i know. however, the disc is pretty (shockingly) available. try these shops: virgin / tower or, these dotcoms: artist-shop / amazon / cdnow / bn / etc etc best, d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 13:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32689; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000930054259.27780.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000930054259.27780.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:12:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP serial numbers since last problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Has there ever been a "serial number since last >problems" research? I would like to know if I have a >potential lemon. (I got my GIBSON EDP in March-April >2000) as far as I know all GIBSON EDPs so far come out of the same batch. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 13:47:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00666; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:45:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey, the cd says it comes with splattercell loops to use with Acid. I >propose we have a Looper's Delight Torn remix-athon! Let's see what the >nut cases on this list can do with it. :-) > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 14:41:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01485; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05cb01c02efc$7cd14660$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:45:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5nWVAB.A.8W.trM35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! > > Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be > imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. Dave Saw an ad in Keyboard that Bitheadz has their new Phrazer program, which is the 'long awaited' Acid functionality for the Mac. One of the features is that it will import Acid loops. Are those .wav files on the Splat* CD? Yeah Logic will import those, if the Mac will read the format of the CD? Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 14:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01664; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:44:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Some looping features setup for MTV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! We put an interesting rig out on the road last week with a touring MTV show, "Campus Invasion", which is intended to promo the upcoming MTV television season. There were several interactive electronic music exhibits planned and we were called in at the last minute to supply some electronic guitars. Twelve days before the show was to ship out. Their initial request was for a MIDI guitar to input to some Hotz-style re-mapping software that removes all of the wrong notes from a controller when playing along with a pre-programmed song. An entertainment device for non-musicians. This worked ok but the note-choices in their re-mapping software were fairly random, and it was difficult to see the rhyme or reason as you played, even though the notes were within the proper key-center. They didn't know how to re-write the lookup table to fix this, so the idea was dumped in about a week into it, without telling me of course. Then the idea was to put out just an elecronic guitar forthousands of visitng MTV guests to jam on. Thinking that anyone who has access to a big metal guitar sound will be instantly shredding. So we put together a Kurzweil K200RVP with a disk drive and extra RAM and installed some 10Meg and 20Meg guitar samples that killed. Connect the Ztar, our new Z6-S After the first demo of the system it was clear after passing around the instrument that not everyone can do it. Funny thing. I thought Ed VanHalen was shipped inside these things. Also, the users for this were not to be allowed to touch any of the controls either on any of the equipment, including ProgramChange. The reason being that people would tend to disable or damage the setup through mindless button-pushing. We covered all the buttons with Lexan cover plates. So to bring back the instant gratification, and hide the controls, we installed a Kurzweil EventStation in the rack and set it up with four footswitches.. The footswitches were programmed in the EventStation to: #1- Step through varoius guitar samples #2- Step through a bank of sampled grooves. Every time you hit the pedal you get a new groove in the chain. #3- MuteAll in case it goes crazy. #4- Bank alternate swapped banks of sounds and samples. We kept this to a minimum because a) we didn't have much time to load and setup the samples and b) we could easily overkill the app with complexity that neither the users nor the road crew could understand. We also put in some chains of fixed CC settings to alter just one guitar sound which was cool. Another way to skin cats. We could've put in hundreds of samples and loops with CC settings continuous from a CC pedal rather than a footswitch, but no time. In all it was an entertaining rig and I was happy that it went together for the very first time without any hangups in just a couple of days. The toughest part was setting up the K2000 with samples and programs and keymaps assigned to the correct places. However, now that it's done, I can see that the setups in the K2000 and the EventStation were pretty generic and one could completely change the character of this new instrument combination just by changing the sample sets and the maybe the CC assignments. Interesting. We could also have setup the Ztar to fire loops, arpeggios and such directly from the Fingerboard or Triggers but there was no time to sort out a sensible arrangement for this application. Next time. There was no time to set up realtime sampling/playback from the Kurzweil so we never included that in the spec. Likewise, if we had KDFX installed in the Kurzweil we could've included even fatter, more expressive samples with realtime control over distortion, for instance. Maybe next time. There was also no time to set up MIDI-sequence recording/playback from the Ztar which has some interesting possibilities. Too omplex for this venue I suppose. There was one setup we tried and didn't keep that had SteveStevens guitar-hit samples assigned to the fingerboard... little licks and guitar noises, dive bombs and stuff. Not notes in the ordinary sense. People were astonished to play this! Not really music as it's just a big sound effects map but when they played a chord or a line, well... it's funny. cheers, harveyS http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:45:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02708; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010051943.MAA27817@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:43:46 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4cv-d.A.kp.JnN35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got it @ borders sf yesterday-stanner ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd >Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 4:41 AM > >>Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web >>site. >j, >75ark doesn't do direct-sales, anyway, as far as i know. >however, the disc is pretty (shockingly) available. >try these shops: >virgin / tower >or, these dotcoms: >artist-shop / amazon / cdnow / bn / etc etc >best, >d > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02887; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:54:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: speaking of Echoplexes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > | >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves > | >pealing me > | >shrimp all day. > | > | someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... >But they're damn delicious cockroaches-of-the-sea... did you try the shrimp-of-the-ground ones? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 22:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08983; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: splattercell::OAH Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <05cb01c02efc$7cd14660$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure that one of us PC boys can acidize them to the tempo you require and send them to you. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! > > Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be > imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. Dave Saw an ad in Keyboard that Bitheadz has their new Phrazer program, which is the 'long awaited' Acid functionality for the Mac. One of the features is that it will import Acid loops. Are those .wav files on the Splat* CD? Yeah Logic will import those, if the Mac will read the format of the CD? Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 01:59:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11315; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DD6A3C.BDFBF221@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:59:24 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. > > > >-- > >Mike Nelson > > wow, Mike... how did you do that? Are you joking? > What is the frequency response? I'm not joking; I'm bragging. :) Actually the Nyquist theorem rules all; I just think the Rang sounds great. But what else would I say. Nyquist says that the maximum frequency that can be captured (represented) is less than half the sampling rate. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 06:17:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13576; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> Reply-To: "Martin Shakeshaft" From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:54:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based in = the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha. For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man. For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, but = as you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued..So here is the = question, what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in = the UK that imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. = Should I wait or is there anything else I should look at? Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based = in the=20 UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering=20 these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha.

For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man.

For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, = but as you=20 will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued….So here is the = question, what=20 would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in the UK that = imports the=20 Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. Should I wait or is = there=20 anything else I should look at?

 

Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell?

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:19:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13969; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:18:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:18:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c02f86$feeafcb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> Subject: Re: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:17:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2_BKU.A.IaD.0Tb35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd recommend the Akai Headrush. os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martin Shakeshaft=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Hi - Jam Man substitute? First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based = in the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha. For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man. For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, but = as you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued..So here is the = question, what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in = the UK that imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. = Should I wait or is there anything else I should look at? Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd recommend the Akai = Headrush.
 
 
os.
 
 
os@scee.sony.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/<= BR>http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/
http://www.collective.co.uk/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Martin = Shakeshaft=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 = 10:54=20 AM
Subject: Hi - Jam Man = substitute?

First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, = based in=20 the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone=20 wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha.

For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man.

For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, = but as=20 you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued….So here is = the question,=20 what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in the UK = that=20 imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. Should I = wait or=20 is there anything else I should look at?

 

Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell?

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:22:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14084; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <86.1203a8d.270f0f71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:20:17 EDT Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <_EAlRD.A.3bD.TWb35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt sayed: >Can Acidulated .wav's be >imported into, say, Logic Audio? yes. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:06:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14468; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c02f8d$6f37dc80$9b9ed8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> <006401c02f86$feeafcb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:03:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-pVL6.A.6hD.E_b35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello-- I sold my Jamman to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro and have not regretted = it. Here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D459027037 but they are higher priced than say, the DL4 by Line 6. Are you adding = to or replacing your unit? Because if you are substituting, you will = find the EDP to be a very good replacement. Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello--
I sold my Jamman to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro and = have not=20 regretted it.  Here's one on eBay:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D45902= 7037
 
but they are higher priced than say, the DL4 by Line = 6. =20 Are you adding to or replacing your unit?  Because if you are = substituting,=20 you will find the EDP to be a very good replacement.
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 11:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16712; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:33:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help! I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller messages? Thanks - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17486; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017e01c02fb2$478b9cb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:27:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Larry! > I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. > ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the > 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. > Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper > that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller > messages? Last time I suggested some auxiliary reading, I got in trouble! :( But I don't know when to quit so here I go again! Check out http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/tutorial.html#intro for some good info on MTC and MIDI real-time data. I suggest this 'cause MIDI note on/off and controller messages serve a completely different purpose than the real-time MIDI messages. You can't go from one to the other. It's like apples and oranges. So I thought the Harmony Central info might help you sort it out. The 'plex does read MIDI clock (but not MTC). That's how it syncs with drum machines, etc. A MIDI clock acts like a metronome. It's basically a pulse generator making "blips" at a rate related to the song's tempo. You have to set the 'plex's SYNC to IN though. And you might need to futz with the 1/8's per beat, etc. MIDI time code (MTC) is another animal. It gives info like "we're at measure X." The 'plex doesn't do anything with MTC. What do you want to do? Are you sync'ing the 'plex to the laptop? Or controlling (as in start/stop/overdub/etc) the 'plex from your laptop? I hope this helps. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:37:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17713; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: <10r9JB.A.iSE.J8f35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine responds to midi clock. If you are trying to get it to start and stop recording at certain time however, you need to set up a sequencer, synched to acid, playing the midi notes when you want them sent. bIz -----Original Message----- From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com [mailto:larry.peterson@autodesk.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Mapper for PC? Help! I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller messages? Thanks - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:49:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18161; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:49:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new MIDI Looping Standard Cc: Damon Langlois , Bob Sellon , Alex Stahl , Eric Obermuehlner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Off topic, but I know this list has a number of FC-200 wizards on it.... your specific case may be OT but it makes me think of the burning actuality of a big important back ground problem: Standardizing is essencial. One of the biggest errors mankind made was to introduce 60Hz power in America and 50Hz power in Europe. I dont know how it came, but I suspect a business trick or political macho beaviour of people unaware of the later consequences for film, TV and so on, forced adopt these frequencies for their picture speed, leading a big hassle with intercontinental video exchange and conversions and what not - big work and cost without any improvement. Its just complicated. :-( Now with the Internet we have it in hands to standardize things when they come up and simplify the future for everyone - if its well done. I wanted to syncronize a standard for a hexaphonic guitar plug. But I was a nobody and it seems Roland made it with the delicate DIN13 :-( ). Now we have the problem that there are a growing number of MIDI commands necessary to control looping and other sequencer control. So it would be great to agree on some usefull schema, just like GeneralMIDI for example. With joined intelligence of the creators of the loop gear and the users that are interested in thinking on this side, we may find a clever agreement so that the user in the future can load the LOOP preset for his MIDI pedal and then control his computer programs and looping units and they would all do the same thing on the same button. I know this aim can hardly exactly reached, but we could make an effort to get as close as possible. And the right moment seems NOW, because we have to do it when the related products become fairly clear (list of the functions) and before the manuals are printed. The EDP slightly changed the organization for the next upgrade anyway and its now at last state to change it more The Repeater probably can still change its tables at this stage There is no realtime SW looper out with MIDI pedal operation, but people are working on it. I dont know about the JamMan and Bobs upgrade and Eventide... When we started with LOOP delay, we first discussed the command type: Program changes have no long presses and are taken for presets. So we made switchable between notes and controllers, thinking that some pedals may not create notes and keyboards not controllers. Default is notes. It may become more complicated since for example it would make sense for Pitch to be a controller if its continuous (a dial in the HW) and a note if its a "toggle octave" kind of key press or even about two octave of notes if it serves for harmonical keyboard operation/sampling. Then we need a consistent sequence of the functions, easy to remember and extend. The soft ware may let the user choose, but there is a default, so we talk about that one. The EDP only lets you select the cntl/note # of lowest command. The first commands are the repetition of the front pannel buttons. This we cannot change and I think this goes for any unit: Its where the "personality" section is: The most important functions have their keys and the user wants them repeated on the floor. So independant of what they are, if we put them into the same range, from left to right, we are compatible, somehow, right? Then comes the part where it gets complicated but rich: The more special functions should be accessible directly through MIDI, too. Each product has a list of different but similar functions that can have the same sequence. Its not much work effort to create this standard, but: Will we have the currage to exchange our secret function lists? :-) Once the relaese is close, it probably will not matter that much and we can all gain a lot. And the users made very clear what they expect from the manufacturers! :-) If we can line up the loop products coming to the market, we can create a bigger wave in the hole music/show business. We could maybe put an adress list of some gremium together and take this mostly technical discussion off the list. Does the MIDI Association support this kind of work, or just disturb it? :-) Hoping for a brotherly meeting Matthias Grob Aurisis ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18215; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:51:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Some looping features setup for MTV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly is a good start. But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: Why did you not use LOOPing ? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 15:59:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21740; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001006124250.00d26270@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:42:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Re: Some looping features setup for MTV In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:51 PM 10/6/00 -0300, you wrote: >hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far >we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly >is a good start. > >But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: > >Why did you not use LOOPing ? Time and budget contraints. We had 1 week to order all the hardware and just a couple of days to set up the Kurzweils. It was a budget stretch to get the K2000's. We also had to set this up for non-musicians in an arcade-style environment where people could accidentaly or deliberately mees up the rig. So we were asked to keep it simple. Other than that our only spec from MTV was "it has to rock and it can't suck." They were't sure what they wanted other than the big crunch guitar. Everything else we added was information overload even though the loop-playback was pretty intuitive. Re-sampling would've been over the top for this show. Anyway, if we get another shot at this I'd like to take the time set up looping. Our existing hardware setup is pretty good at playing and adjusting MIDI loops. An EDP added to the rig would be totally slick, and would help make the music-production for non-musicians an entertaining experience. Next time. -harvey > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 16:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22464; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: new release promo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my dear loopoids please excuse the flagrant self-aggrandizement... but if i don't do it who will? i would like to take a moment to flog my new record. it's so stuffed with loops and loops of loops that it's almost impossible to tell when the disc actually stops spinning. here goes: NEW RELEASE OF INTEREST TO THE LOOPING COMMUNITY anti:clockwise REWATCHING the first full-length anti:clockwise CD lays the groundwork for a whole new style - uglient. recorded straight to minidisc in one 74 minute tirade, REWATCHING offers 3 tracks ranging in length from long to wow, that's REALLY long! they are: the guitar mash-down masculinity at its finest "That's all we have time for today." the official organs of state at parallelism hype the release in this way: Solo recordings from Robert Dennis of New York City, a man whose performances as a member of Tono-Bungay, Eyeball 9000 and Fire In The Kitchen have caused much murmuring and analysis. Murmur no more, restless persons, Robert's one-man whirlwind of chaos, kaos and sound aka anti:clockwise, is now available on easily infringeable compact disc. 'rewatching' fornicates with genres we haven't even learned to spell yet. Puts the "ut" in "debut", though putting the "ut" in connecticut would probably help more people. REWATCHING (PAR 009) available from your preferred music vendor as of 10. 9.00 (UK) 10.10.00 (USA) parallelism po box 20132 london uk W10 6ZA more information about anti:clockwise can be unearthed at http://www.tensionheadache.org ....end of transmission..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 16:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22642; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DE3B84.2C307CBB@hoover-keith.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:52:20 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new release promo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr. dennis, do you have any demo mp3's available? (pardon me if this question is borne of ignorance or is Anathema to you) rs (np: Truby Trio - A Go Go) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 18:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23528; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: Re: new release promo In-Reply-To: <39DE3B84.2C307CBB@hoover-keith.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anathema? why, no! pass the anesthesia!!! there is an mp3 up at the parallelism website (the guitar mash-down was selected for this honor) http://www.parallelism.com but i have no mp's3 of my own to distribute. since i enjoy a waddling 56k connection, it is sadly not at this time possible for me to upload these honkers to my own website... at least, not without extreme pain. i hope to change all that in the next week or 2 (or so...) thanks for asking. i'll drop you a line when they're available. On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ryan D. Supak wrote: > mr. dennis, do you have any demo mp3's available? (pardon me if this > question is borne of ignorance or is Anathema to you) > > rs > (np: Truby Trio - A Go Go) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 01:38:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28297; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007053557.21171.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP: Can the EDP be controlled? (midi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have never used a midi foot controller, so this is a general midi question. Can you control the EDP with one of those midi controllers used by guitar players? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:34:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28764; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:29:05 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP: Can the EDP be controlled? (midi) In-reply-to: <20001007053557.21171.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:35 PM -0700 10/6/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: >I have never used a midi foot controller, so this is a >general midi question. Can you control the EDP with >one of those midi controllers used by guitar players? certainly, if you use one of the better pedals that can send a variety of messages. like Roland FC-200, rocktron allaccess, lake-butler midigator, digitech pmc-10, etc. The dumbed-down pedals that only send program change messages don't cut it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 04:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29924; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c0303b$487f9b60$a5c7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001006124250.00d26270@crash.cts.com> Subject: Bringing Harvey into the Loop Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:47:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the pleasure today of showing Harvey Starr, inventor of the Ztar and Kurzweil Event Station, over to the house to show him my progress in using the Ztar to control the Echoplex Digital Pro. He was properly impressed, even tho I am still just getting started. I'm using a doubleneck so I can play guitar as well as the synth controller to create pop song-like textures in real time. I like to think of it as real time digital audio sequencing. The Ztar serves as a reliable MIDI controller, generating the kind of accuracy you demand from a controller. Doing the drums seems to be a bit dicey, however--I am hoping to score an Event Station to try to take care of that end of things. I am using the SR-16 to drive the EDP sometimes, but for the best effect I should just drop the drums in when the bass enters. Like it say, it's really still in its infancy--I just got the Ztar a couple of weeks ago and it was used and has a few things that need attention before I put it in front of an audience (and don the silver lame cybersuit)--but it's nice not to have to look at my feet while I'm controlling the EDP! Gary BTW, here's the tour dates for the MTV thing http://mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/music/campusinvasion00/&sub=music ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ztars'R'Us" >We put an interesting rig out on the road last week with a touring MTV >show, "Campus Invasion", which is intended to promo the upcoming MTV >television season. There were several interactive electronic music exhibits >planned and we were called in at the last minute to supply some electronic >guitars. Twelve days before the show was to ship out. > At 01:51 PM 10/6/00, Matthias Grob replied: > >hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far > >we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly > >is a good start. > > > >But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: > > > >Why did you not use LOOPing ? and Harvey replied: > > Time and budget contraints. We had 1 week to order all the hardware and > just a couple of days to set up the Kurzweils. It was a budget stretch to > get the K2000's. We also had to set this up for non-musicians in an > arcade-style environment where people could accidentaly or deliberately > mees up the rig. So we were asked to keep it simple. Other than that our > only spec from MTV was "it has to rock and it can't suck." They were't sure > what they wanted other than the big crunch guitar. Everything else we added > was information overload even though the loop-playback was pretty > intuitive. Re-sampling would've been over the top for this show. Anyway, if > we get another shot at this I'd like to take the time set up looping. Our > existing hardware setup is pretty good at playing and adjusting MIDI loops. > An EDP added to the rig would be totally slick, and would help make the > music-production for non-musicians an entertaining experience. Next time. > -harvey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 08:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31011; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Storypod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:21:49 EDT Subject: echoplex offer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I've got an absolutely perfect Echoplex DP pro with the optional footpedal (and 50 sec sampling time) that I've just decided to sell, and wondered if you might be interested. I bought it new in '98, and it's been powered up no more than 2 hours, total, no kidding. I've been using my protools system for most of my looping chores, and just never got around to learning/using it. Anyway, I'd let it go for $675 if anyone is interested. Let me know... Best, Tim Tim Story P.O. Box 415 Maumee, OH 43537 (storypod@aol.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 11:48:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32631; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5bULbB.A.u9H.8V035@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for replying so fast. I just got the 7.6. So I to have them both in front of me. I have some more questions since the 7.6 I received is kind of beat up....They sound quite different! Almost to the point of being bad vs. good. 1. a. The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not through the amp but actually inside the unit) b. The 8000 is quiet. 2. a. The 7.6 sends a small but noticeable hiss to the amp. b. The 8000 is quiet. 3. a. Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small pop or thud to the amp. b. I don't think the 8000 does this. 4. a. Footswitches that work on the 8000 don't work the same on the 7.6; ie. One foot press on the 8000 will make it hold, while a foot press on the 7.6 only holds as long as you are pressing down. (I'm sure this probably just deals with the polarity of the trigger or something fancy that I don't understand, a difference none the less) 5. a.Then of course, the over all sound, but that would come from 12-bit vs. 8-bit, I guess I can accept that. Finally: Are your units this different? I was really hoping for the quality of the 8000. Do you think my 7.6 could be worn out yet still working, or did they just perfect the idea on the 8000? The guy sold it to me in "perfect working order" and right now I don't agree. Allen p.s. It doesn't help that I have been using the Echoplex EDP exclusively now for 3 months and dropping down to the 8000 or the 7.6 is quite a fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 14:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02069; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007182815.26942.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Bringing Harvey into the Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you bought the flashy double neck that harvey had for sale on his website for a while that I was lusting after? It looked *really* nice. I happen to be in Sandy Ego this weekend....too bad I couldn't have met up with you both. I'd love to steal your ztar EDP patch once it shapes up! Selfishly, Stephen --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I had the pleasure today of showing Harvey Starr, > inventor of the Ztar and > Kurzweil Event Station, over to the house to show > him my progress in using > the Ztar to control the Echoplex Digital Pro. He > was properly impressed, > even tho I am still just getting started. I'm using > a doubleneck  ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 15:12:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02623; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DF7620.10712809@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:14:40 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) References: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an RDS3.6 second delay (the little brother of the 7.6) and just got an RDS8000 8 second delay. Since there are so many models of the RDS line the 3.6 unit I have is the latter one with a blackface and blue and grey legending. It has four flat square buttons to select "Flange, Chorus,Double, and Delay settings and has a repeat hold button (with light and four stage LED for input. the 3.6 has an inverse feedback button on the front as well The RDS8000 is the silverface unit and is about 1/2 the depth of the other one. It has one "delay range" knob rather than the four buttons but these ranges appear to do the same things. Noticeably different are the fact that the RDS8000 I have has no on/off switch (VERY annoying!) and it also only has one LED green light for signal and one red which indicates a "clip" input. The 8000 is missing the inverse feedback button but it does have a triposition switch with Norm,Trig,sample settings and a manual trigger button on the front panel. The other feature noticeably missing from the RDS8000 is the VCO in. It simply doesn't have one. All the other ins and outs Mix,Phase out, etc are the same. My RDS3.6 was never that noisy and it seems on par with the RDS8000 I just got. It certainly does not have the hum some people have mentioned and I personally can't hear any difference in quality. I admit I'm pretty lofi anyway and I feed them both pretty horrid sources so i don't know if that affects the overall sound or not. Unfortunately my RDS3.6 has started to act up though. The Flange and Chorus buttons no longer seem to do anything which is a tremendous drag as it was very useful to have a flange CVable via the VCO in. the Double and delay still work fine. Sometimes after a few seconds the Flange will work but usually not. it doesn't' not appear to be a button or contact problem but I haven't taken it apart to look either. If anyone has experienced this problem or has any suggestions to fix it please let me know. Rather than pay to have it repaired I just went out and bought the RDS8000 when I saw one for cheap. That's the nice thing about 80s and 90s digital gear I guess, there's plenty of it and it's cheap :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 16:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03762; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20001007144558.01cc02f0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:48:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) In-Reply-To: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On or around 08:47 AM 10/7/00 -0700, Pratt Winkle said: > a. The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not >through the amp but actually inside the unit) > b. The 8000 is quiet. Some of the RDS units, regardless of nomenclature, do hum a bit in the rack. It's never been enough to make me sit up and take notice, particularly in a case. > a. The 7.6 sends a small but noticeable hiss to >the amp. > b. The 8000 is quiet. Probably an issue of input/output levels. > a. Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small >pop or thud to the amp. > b. I don't think the 8000 does this. No problems there on the 7.6s I've used. > a. Footswitches that work on the 8000 don't work >the same on the 7.6; ie. One foot press on the 8000 >will make it hold, while a foot press on the 7.6 only >holds as long as you are pressing down. (I'm sure this >probably just deals with the polarity of the trigger >or something fancy that I don't understand, a >difference none the less) It's probably a difference in switching type, rather than a difference. With the wrong tools, you'll get undesirable results. > Finally: Are your units this different? I was really >hoping for the quality of the 8000. Do you think my >7.6 could be worn out yet still working, or did they >just perfect the idea on the 8000? The guy sold it to >me in "perfect working order" and right now I don't >agree. I suspect part of it may be a ground issue, from what you're describing in the popping on buttons and the hum of the transformer. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 21:48:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07552; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DFD208.E3E102F6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:47:56 -0400 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex offer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you still have the Echoplex? Storypod@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I've got an absolutely perfect Echoplex DP pro with the optional > footpedal (and 50 sec sampling time) that I've just decided to sell, and > wondered if you might be interested. I bought it new in '98, and it's been > powered up no more than 2 hours, total, no kidding. I've been using my > protools system for most of my looping chores, and just never got around to > learning/using it. Anyway, I'd let it go for $675 if anyone is interested. > Let me know... Best, Tim > > Tim Story > P.O. Box 415 > Maumee, OH 43537 > > (storypod@aol.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 09:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12806; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a219.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.219] claimed to be bigboy Message-ID: <00a601c03129$2fe79460$db2cf7c2@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Loop gig in London Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:06:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-HQjXB.A.3HD.xHH45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopsters, I've got a loop heavy gig coming up in London, which may well also feature some video looping (I'm working with a multimedia arts collective on this one, and have given them free reign to do what they like - video loops is one form that their stuff sometimes takes!! :o) Anyway, here's the official blurb... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- GIG ANNOUNCEMENT Nov 17th - 8pm, St Luke's Church, Hilmarton Road, Holloway London N7 Pillow Mountain Records in association with www.britlinks.co.uk , Dubious Recordings (www.evinsol.co.uk) and The Solo Bass Network presents: Steve Lawson in concert featuring Steve (Bass, live loops), Harry Napier (Cello), Mark Lloyd (percussion), SPARKS (a multi media arts collective, who'll contribute visuals and installations.) The evening will include a solo set by Steve, who recently released his debut solo album 'And Nothing But The Bass'. He'll then be joined by Harry and Mark for a trio set, and will finish with a solo acoustic set by singer/songwriter ANDY THORNTON. SPARKS installations will be part of Steve's solo and trio sets. Doors open 7.30pm 8-9pm Steve solo 9-10pm Steve/Harry/Mark 10 - ? Andy Thornton St Luke's (AKA The Greenhouse) is an inspiring building, providing an expansive space for the art and music of the first half, and including a more intimate cafe/bar for Andy's late night acoustic show by candle-light. You be mad to miss it! Tickets £4 in advance and £5 on the door - tickets in advance available by sending cheques payable to 'Steve Lawson' to PO Box 13788, London N14 5WD (TIckets will be reserved on the door, not sent out, so include a contact name.) For More info, call 07966 235072 or visit http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk (sound samples, gig reviews, album ordering etc.) For more info on Andy Thornton, visit www.evinsol.co.uk please forward this to anyone who might be interested... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 15:25:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16770; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c0315d$421d2620$6187abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: nobels mf-2 foot controller Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 fc ? it seems to be an economical choice as a foot controller is it usable to control EDPs ? thanks, Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 = fc=20 ?
it seems to be an economical choice as a foot=20 controller
is it usable to control EDPs ?
 
thanks,
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:04:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19658; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:01:30 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <5vkk7C.A.4yE.uzP45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com infinite feedback with a latching stack button = much joy........gone is the anguish of coming in at the tap of the button.........the only thing so far that i am having trouble with is getting the tempo to change consistantly.........havent even thought about the possibilites with the a-b, a-b1 loop settings..........the whole concept of "latching/nonlatching" buttons is a nice step forward for the rang...........also, being able to go from "once" to play without having to stop is nice.........am i the only one who got this upgrade, outside of larry i havent heard any mention of it.........perhaps its those big "cowboy" hats full of money that mike nelson sends that keeps me writing about this darn rang.........:)...........stay tuned............back to playing.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:53:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21310; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <50.bda1495.2712708c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:51:24 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do I get it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 21:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22214; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001009014531.13753.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP controller? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music Corporation. Can it access the various control functions of the Echoplex? Thanks. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:14:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23240; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:08:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP controller? In-reply-to: <20001009014531.13753.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <17eoNB.A._qF.JeT45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:45 PM -0700 10/8/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: > I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music >Corporation. Can it access the various control >functions of the Echoplex? no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is really only designed to switch patches on rack multieffects, and is not enough to control the echoplex. Many other pedals have a much more complete midi implementation, like lake-butler midigator, rocktron allaccess, digitech pmc-10, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, Phil Rees MM5, etc. there is a whole footpedal tutorial on the echoplex section of looper's delight that explains all the details: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html also, check the echoplex FAQ, a huge number of questions are answered there: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23356; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E12B33.73BF8795@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:19:32 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade References: <50.bda1495.2712708c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Email mnelson@dmans.com and get a price form him. I mailed my check in two days ago. I CAN'T WAIT! Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:36:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23632; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:36:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:25:35 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: nobels mf-2 foot controller In-reply-to: <002f01c0315d$421d2620$6187abd4@a6d4z2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 fc ? it seems to be an >economical choice as a foot controller is it usable to control EDPs ? >thanks, Luca I just read the manual for it available on their site: http://www.nobels.com/pdf-oman/mf-2_ownersmanual.pdf it appears to be one of the simplistic program-change-only type of pedals. you can't send midi notes with it, or do much with continuous controllers even. so no, it can't control the EDP. it still amazes me that these companies go to all the trouble to design and manufacture a midi footpedal controller and don't bother to implement 95% of the available midi commands. For them to do the additional programming would be simple. I once asked the owner of a particular well-known midi pedal manufacturer why he did that, and he indicated that his pedal was for guitar players who are too stupid to understand anything more complicated than program change messages. Maybe that's true for the average stratocastor-and-marshall guy, but I suspect the ones playing around with midi are bright enough to figure out what a note-on message does. especially now when it is so common for samplers and synths to be standard gear in the average band. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:40:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25582; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: For those who need a foot controller Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:38:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a search and came up with http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling them? Kinda pricy tho From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 06:20:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28273; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c031d8$e00513e0$0743e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> Subject: Re: For those who need a foot controller Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:08:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-etEyD.A.f5G.GtZ45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I contacted Roland Benelux when I first read over here that it was supposed to be discontinued. They answered it never was , it's still in the catalogue. But I mailed Roland with my questions about the possibilities, and I found them to be dissappointing : one can only adress one pc per patch and the cc one sends affects all the units, and I wanted to be able to choose. I thought this was possible with the nobels. I was planning to buy the mf2, but I'm new at working with cc's, and I gathered it was possible. Guess I'd better read that manual again. The relays would really come in handy though to switch my AB box. What I would like from a footcontroller is : switching the amp and AB ; program under say pedal 1, program change 45 on unit one with cc X, pc 78 on unit two with another cc no. And sending note on's would be very nice too. This doesn't seem to be possible with the FC 200 neither, is there anything that can do that? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: For those who need a foot controller > I did a search and came up with > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects > the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling > them? > Kinda pricy tho > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01112; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: wobblypeople@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:31:31 -0700 Subject: I need advice on space echo probem Message-ID: <20001009.133132.-448201.0.wobblypeople@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:45:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01270; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E2025E.14CBF128@usa.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:37:35 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need advice on space echo probem References: <20001009.133132.-448201.0.wobblypeople@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess would be bad erase head and possibly a bad record head? wobblypeople@juno.com wrote: > I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on > a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase > and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is > supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly > going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and > demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go > from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:10:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01950; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:57:13 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [Fwd: FS: Lexicon Vortex $100] not mine not mine nit mone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com n/a wrote: > > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02092; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:04:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wanted: Minidisc Recorder Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have an MD for sale that I could purchase? regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > n/a wrote:> > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:11:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02091; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:04:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wanted: Minidisc Recorder Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <2p-PRB.A.eg.Kjg45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have an MD for sale that I could purchase? regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > n/a wrote:> > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:19:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02635; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:20:55 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greetings from a new member References: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy all...thought I would pop in to introduce myself. I am the proud owner of an EDP with foot controller, full memoryAlso. And while I overpaid for it on Ebay, it was worth it to not have it say Gibson on it! As an orphaned Vision dude from way back I have nothing nice to say about the parent company, despite their re-introducing the EDP. Anyhoo...seeing as this is not a list about software, I'll say a bit about myself and how I use the EDP (or hope to once my rigs are fully functional). I'm 42, have worked in the music products industry for 20+ years with Arp, Roland, Kurzweil and some different retailers. I'm classically trained on piano and have some formal eductation in synths as well. I've done plenty of gigging and have served as MIDI consultant to some major artists as well as a bunch of other folks. I'm currently an independent manufacturer's rep, primarily dealing with the guitar niche. One of the ways I use the EDP is to demonstrate my Cruise Audio guitar amp. It has 4 blendable preamps and I like to lay down a groove with a clean sound and then switch to a dirty sound and play bad leads over the top. I'm a keyboardist, so anything I do on a guitar is abuse at best! My master plan for the EDP is to create a live performance setup that is very loopbased. I dabble in a variety of styles so I don't know exactly where this little venture will take me, but I live in an area with a fertile live music scene (Salt Lake City) so I hope to be able to apply my stuff in this direction. I have a pretty huge setup, but rely most heavily on a loaded Kurz K2500 w/KDFX. My plan for the live rig with the EDP includes the Kurz, a Roland JD800, Nord Modular Kbd, Korg Prophecy and maybe a Yamaha VL1. Any tips or tricks from list members who use the EDP live would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and looking forward to good info from this list! -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 15:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03249; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "g716" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: EDP controller? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:56:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 18:56:13.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[98BF13B0:01C03222] Resent-Message-ID: <1NSmy.A.Ty.rTh45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Kim Flint" > no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program > change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is I remember reading that the GC (Ground Control) *could* control the EDP. It was a bit a hack, but it worked -- or so the web-site I read claimed. Unfortunately I don't recall the web-site address. One requirement was that you had to have the most recent version of firmware. I used to have a GC and was about to send it to voodoo labs for the upgrade, but then I came upon a PMC so I sold the GC. This I just found on our own LD archive.. [start snip] ********************************* [...] because with the version 2 software the Ground Control can be set up to send Control change on/off messages as well as the program change and continuous controller messages. There is a mode which allows you to set up your banks of 10 in a configuration where footswitches 1-4 are presets (Program changes) and Switches 5-0 are control change messages. Whether this will allow people to use The Plex with the GC now , I don't know. What do you think? There is another pedal called the Ground Link ( List $160) which can be linked with the GC and it can be configured to have all 8 of its' footswitches be used as Control Changes . [end snip] *********************************** Has anyone ever been able to get this working? Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 15:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03461; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c0322d$8df16ae0$88dee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP controller? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:14:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, a friend of mine wants to buy a Rocktron fx processor. but it has no pedalboard as default. do you know if anyone makes a cheaper one which performs equally as the original one made by Rocktron? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP controller? > At 6:45 PM -0700 10/8/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: > > I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music > >Corporation. Can it access the various control > >functions of the Echoplex? > > no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program > change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is > really only designed to switch patches on rack multieffects, and is not > enough to control the echoplex. Many other pedals have a much more complete > midi implementation, like lake-butler midigator, rocktron allaccess, > digitech pmc-10, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, Phil Rees MM5, etc. > > there is a whole footpedal tutorial on the echoplex section of looper's > delight that explains all the details: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > > > also, check the echoplex FAQ, a huge number of questions are answered there: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04594; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: When Delete Does Not Delete Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it would benefit all of you as well to read this interesting article I found through that "Wired" newsletter— just a tiny bit off-topic: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/05/technology/06CYBERLAW.html (It says "registration required," but I went right in.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04940; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:37:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:37:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c03230$b42645c0$7b87abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> <001701c031d8$e00513e0$0743e0d5@pandora.be> Subject: R: For those who need a foot controller Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:35:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what I have understand from reading mf-2 manual, I think it is possible to assign cc and switches to different devices. The thing that makes the mf-2 so interesting is its capability to be the port for so many different cc and switches. FC-200 has no more that 2 ext controller's ports, the same is for Rocktron's All Access and many others. I agree with Kim saying that it's a shame many producers didn't do the complete step with their footcontrollers midi implementation but, as I can see, for those who need to concentrate switchers and cc the two main useful fcs are Mf-2 and Rolls Midiwizard Mp 1288. I'm going to take a look at Yamaha's one anyway... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sound Mind To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Re: For those who need a foot controller > I contacted Roland Benelux when I first read over here that it was supposed > to be discontinued. They answered it never was , it's still in the > catalogue. But I mailed Roland with my questions about the possibilities, > and I found them to be dissappointing : one can only adress one pc per patch > and the cc one sends affects all the units, and I wanted to be able to > choose. I thought this was possible with the nobels. > I was planning to buy the mf2, but I'm new at working with cc's, and I > gathered it was possible. Guess I'd better read that manual again. The > relays would really come in handy though to switch my AB box. > What I would like from a footcontroller is : switching the amp and AB ; > program under say pedal 1, program change 45 on unit one with cc X, pc 78 on > unit two with another cc no. And sending note on's would be very nice too. > This doesn't seem to be possible with the FC 200 neither, is there anything > that can do that? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:38 AM > Subject: For those who need a foot controller > > > > I did a search and came up with > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects > > the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling > > them? > > Kinda pricy tho > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10519; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:35:54 EDT Subject: test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <_LWXlC.A.bjC.ZKn45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 06:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15338; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c032a0$131d0900$2cc7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: , Subject: (Longish) Ztar Runs EDP Better All the Time Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow propellerheads--Someone encouraged me to share my research into uniting these two monsters of musical technology (cybersuit only a heartbeat away), so here's what I did today: The Echoplex, a 198 second digital delay/looper is set up with quantize on, switch quant on, threshold at 4, let's say four loops, round on, auto record on, and controlled by note on info. Looping control number starts with 49, source controller is set at 56. (I just did the math, I guess I'll have to change this if/when I get to more loops). The Ztar, a MIDI guitar with switches in the neck instead of strings, is set up with different "zones" for MIDI channels. I have it playing bass on channel 2 starting at the 8th fret on all six strings, transposed down 2 octaves. The EDP is on channel 11, and I have it controlling 7 zones (the Ztar has up to 16 zones) as follows: the first 4 frets of the 6 strings transposed up 8 semitones, string 6 from frets 5 to 7 transposed up 11 semitones, string 5 at fret 7 transposed up 7 semitones, string 4 at fret 7 transposed up 3 semitones, string 3 at fret 7 transposed down 1 semitone, string 2 at fret 7 transposed down 4 semitones, and string 1 at fret 7 transposed down 8 semitones. Why, you wonder. Well, I can enter loops 1-4 with frets 1-4 of string 6, and duplicate the front panel/footswitch with fret 7 of strings 6-1, with string 6, fret 5 as the parameter button, play bass and then get to the guitar (the Ztar is a doubleneck) for hours of loop fun. So I encourage all the guitarists on this list to flood Starr Labs with orders for doubleneck instruments so I can see Harvey's eyes pop right out of his skull in time for Halloween . . . Keep on playin', my brothers . . . Gary PS Maybe we can get a group price 8^ ] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 10:52:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18356; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Lee Sebel Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need advice on space echo probem In-Reply-To: <39E2025E.14CBF128@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA18317 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mmmmm..... and be sure to double-check the tape path. could be something aint hittin something else the way it should be... my $.02 a:c On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Lee Sebel wrote: > My guess would be bad erase head and possibly a bad record head? > > wobblypeople@juno.com wrote: > > > I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on > > a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase > > and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is > > supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly > > going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and > > demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go > > from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > -- > Tonefully yours... > > Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 > Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality > >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 11:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18910; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E33650.D01DB621@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:31:39 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DOD Dimension12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <8jcClB.A.AnE.TXz45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, The Dimension12 is not the perfect beast for looping.To many compromises and not finally developed for all kinds of looping. Nevertheless it is obviously limited for several reasons,it is from a practical side very useful for my work.I own two of this devices.I need them for Stereo. The sampling section is not in use for it.I only use the delay mode. With maximum delaytime(12sec) I use both devices as last chain in the row,I call it the unwritten sheet of paper mode.Or easy said as simple Recorder/Looper before the signals go to the PA.Wit all the other devices I shape and form the sound wich can be repeated infinitly over the DODs or get a Fade Out character by adjusting the Feedback knob.Such a Fade Out is recommended mostly,because there is always then the possibility to change the harmonic and rhythmic structure of a "song".In this case 12 seconds are enough to arrange a fluctuating sonic adventure. Another Mode is the Primefactormode.I use this odd values to create over a long time a metric changing Stereoevent.Both DODs are again in Stereo-mode.Let me give an example.DOD1(left channel)is set to 7seconds delay,DOD2(right channel) to 11 seconds. Both are in full loopmode.Then it needs 77seconds before an acoustic event(try out a single percussive one) will sound together again-like it was recorded.Within this 77 seconds the acoustic event will get splitted up and change the relation of left and right channel in a drastic way.A kind of Stereo-rhythm appears. Try it out with complex material and the material will get a Stereorhythm,wich results can not be preplanned.If using in forefront of the DODs also effext like panning,the result will get more exciting. The same can be used also in Monomode.This means a serial connection of the two DODs.Both set up with different Delays. One nice helpful tool is,that the long delay times can be changed up to twelve seconds via display.Eventhough the steps are rough.But for long delays this is acceptable. You don´t really realize if a signal is delayed 11,2 or 11,3 seconds. Also the possibility to tap in the delaytime by footswitch is useful and can create some interesting layers.A prerecorded/looped material in a short time-maybe 1 second,will get a big layer when a 12second delay gets taped in.The one second segment will get inter- polated/copied over the time of 12 seconds. Instead of using maximum feedback,there can be also used no feedback,then we have to route back the output of the DOD to a channel the mixing console.In this channel we can shape the sound through filters and send it back over effect send to the DOD. Fortunately the DOD has two outs,so this is possible.To have a straight on sound and a routed back signal. Besides the delay only,the DOD offers also a kind of Chorusing/Flanging effect.With a long delaytime it can change the material extremely.A nice gimmick. The sampling section is not used in my work,but for entertaining my little nephew it has also a private funfactor. Conclusion: The DOD Dimension 12 is a little bit limited to be an everybodys darling in the Loopingscene.Nevertheless it is a machine with wich looping is possible.Not for everybody,but maybe just the right machine for your musical work. Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 11:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19312; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.154.239.5] From: "CHRISTOPHER A KAGAN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie to the list Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:48:48 MDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 15:48:48.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[9450C990:01C032D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, and looping for that matter. I haven't purchased a looping device yet, but that's why I joined this list. To tap the brains of people that are doing it right now. I'm a guitarist, but also like techno music and the loops and beats that the DJs mix together. I'll be buying a looping unit soon though... I was wondering if anyone knew of a new product I saw advertised in Guitar Player mag this month. It's called the Repeater, by Electrix (www.electrixpro.com). Has anyone heard of this? It's supposed to be released in the fall, but winter is upon us now... I look forward to talking with the people on this list! Have a good one! Later, -Chris _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19615; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E3BBE2.C08A9859@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:01:22 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie to the list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CHRISTOPHER A KAGAN wrote: > > Hey everyone, I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, and looping for that > matter. I haven't purchased a looping device yet, but that's why I joined > this list. To tap the brains of people that are doing it right now. I'm a > guitarist, but also like techno music and the loops and beats that the DJs > mix together. I'll be buying a looping unit soon though... > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a new product I saw advertised in Guitar > Player mag this month. It's called the Repeater, by Electrix > (www.electrixpro.com). Has anyone heard of this? It's supposed to be > released in the fall, but winter is upon us now... > > I look forward to talking with the people on this list! Have a good one! > > Later, > -Chris welcome Chris before all everything that has been discussed on the LD list about this promissing new toy should be here: (copypaste the whole URL) http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=electrix+repeater&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles good reading ;=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19726; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> References: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:05:46 -0700 To: synman@usa.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Greetings from a new member Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:20 PM -0600 10/9/00, Lee Sebel wrote: >One of the ways I use the EDP is to demonstrate my Cruise Audio guitar >amp. It has 4 blendable preamps and I like to lay down a groove with a >clean sound and then switch to a dirty sound and play bad leads over the >top. I'm a keyboardist, so anything I do on a guitar is abuse at best! I've read up on the Cruise, but haven't found anywhere to play one. I did fill out the form on the web site, but I never heard anything. Do you know anywhere in the San Francisco area that carries Cruise? Thanks, Chris Muir __________________________________________________________________ Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19812; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: massive arrays of loopers Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz with the loop as it travels through array. Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple (cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:53:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20610; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:52:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:51:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: massive arrays of loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4qwekD.A.YBF.ek045@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would venture to guess that quite a few people on the list are doing this... Currently my rig has a digitech pds 1002, line6 dl4, and lexi jamman. my project cohorts are using mulitple delays and loopers as well (digi's, edp, etc). In the piece we are working on, there are moments where we are totally knob twiddling. We've captured enough information in the loop streams and then we're manipulating by adjusting feedback, delay times, and also pre and post processing with other effects and filters. doesn't exactly push the envelope 'music theory and execution'-wise, but it sounds a whole lot more interesting than the guy at Guitar Center wanking off his pentatonic scales. interesting portion of last night's rehearsal...we were just wrapping up, and one member got some really good stuff going, the other gent decides to check out his pedalboard and starts knob twiddling. I had already put my guitar away, so i just took the cord, plugged it into the preamp out of his amp, and ran it through my fx chain and loopers and just started my own little mangle-thon, using his source. regarding the dl4, i find it increasingly frustrating to use live. all the knobbies are nice, but they do unpredictable things if you're not careful. also, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. if you switch it back on, it goes back to the 'digital delay' preset. not to say that ruins the pedal. it's got alot of strong points. i've just found it to be much more functional as a table top delay unit. being able to have a space echo, stereo delay, rythmic delay, tube echoplex and more in one little box at 24bits is a very cool thing. seeya, rich >Hi all, > >I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative >cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or >multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback >and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess >I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance >the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to >make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz >with the loop as it travels through array. > >Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple >(cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? > >cheers, > >Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22348; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 18:49:19.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBEEBA10:01C032EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands free fix. Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones I've looked at on line). K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:33:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23009; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:20:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob twiddling. i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). best, rich >In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... > >>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. > >You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >free fix. > >Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. > >By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >I've looked at on line). > > >K >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23566; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c032f2$e9d68b40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:47:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not looping! (Insert snapping whip sound here) ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression >pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 >and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. > >I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my >presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if >i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real >time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the >mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to >move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth >fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to >some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. > >example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >twiddling. > >i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland >EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's >usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one >out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). > >best, > >rich > > > > >>In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >> >>>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. >> >>You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >>MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >>if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >>free fix. >> >>Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. >> >>By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >>DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >>thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >>I've looked at on line). >> >> >>K >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:54:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23835; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c032f3$11599860$9883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: new foot controller Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:48:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable looking for a clever foot controller, I have been surprised to find one = pretty interesting at this address: www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/MS_32.pdf surprised because it's italian ! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:08:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24289; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? 14 secs is almost too much yahoo c Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression >pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 >and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. > >I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my >presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if >i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real >time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the >mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to >move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth >fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to >some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. > >example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >twiddling. > >i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland >EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's >usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one >out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). > >best, > >rich > > > > >>In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >> >>>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. >> >>You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >>MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >>if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >>free fix. >> >>Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. >> >>By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >>DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >>thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >>I've looked at on line). >> >> >>K >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25569; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:28:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright! i get to respond to two mails for the price of one! Cliff, that's it...i've had it from you, you wanna step outside? Magicada...14 seconds is too much? zowee, not enough for me. i usually have the 1/2 speed function on before i start recording, so i have approx. 28 seconds to record the loop. plus i like being able to hit the switch and have the loop jump an octave, rather than drop an octave. rich >I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? >14 secs is almost too much >yahoo >c >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not >>looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) > >;) > >Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26187; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:45:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c032fb$d99d03e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:51:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-xqpoC.A.sYG.t-345@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Insert whistle---> A- D- A- D- A------------------- C -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Alright! i get to respond to two mails for the price of one! > >Cliff, that's it...i've had it from you, you wanna step outside? > >Magicada...14 seconds is too much? zowee, not enough for me. i >usually have the 1/2 speed function on before i start recording, so i >have approx. 28 seconds to record the loop. plus i like being able >to hit the switch and have the loop jump an octave, rather than drop >an octave. > > >rich > > > >>I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? >>14 secs is almost too much >>yahoo >>c >>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: >>> lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not >>>looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) >> >>;) >> >>Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 17:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27120; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c03300$d267abc0$22bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001801c032f3$11599860$9883abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: new foot controller Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:26:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks well made and pretty deep but no note on/off! =20 Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Luca=20 To: Loop=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: new foot controller looking for a clever foot controller, I have been surprised to find = one pretty interesting at this address: www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/MS_32.pdf surprised because it's italian ! ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This looks well made and pretty deep but no note = on/off! =20
Gary
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looking for a clever foot controller, I have = been=20 surprised to find one pretty interesting at this address:
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 17:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27350; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c03302$55d44620$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: massive arrays of loopers Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing what sort of bizarro noise I can make running the short loops I make with a DOD DFX94 into a longer loop on the Repeater. Unfortunately I have to wait til the end of the month for that. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: massive arrays of loopers > Hi all, > > I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative > cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or > multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback > and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess > I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance > the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to > make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz > with the loop as it travels through array. > > Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple > (cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? > > cheers, > > Darcy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 21:17:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30965; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:14:30 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: MOOG ENDLESS is back Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Our System55 is back. We re start the streaming for 24hours. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 22:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32058; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:38 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: MOOG ENDLESS is back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007801c03337$ad77c7a0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yay . . . missed my favorite analog muzak . . . :) WOW-- a rare live performance instead of a patch . . , drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: MOOG ENDLESS is back > Hi, > > Our System55 is back. > We re start the streaming for 24hours. > http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 01:35:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01805; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c03344$68bec7a0$baaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #185 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:30:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #185 October 5, 2000. On this show, I started a month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was "Phaedra" on the Virgin label. I also played the music of Jonn Serrie and Gary Stroutsos who will be performing at the next Gathering. Tangerine Dream http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Jonn Serrie & The Rain Maiden Hidden World (Narada) Gary Stroutsos Tony Gerber The Hunt Altimira (Space for Music) Foreign Spaces Phaeton I - Planet Phaeton (Invisible Shadows) William Linton Wayfarer One and Two Wayfarer (Space for Music) Stephen Parsick Close Beneath the Surface Traces of the Past (Spheric Music) 12:00 am Loren Nerell Dark Horizon The Venerable Dark (Amplexus) Tangerine Dream Phaedra Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream The Mysterious Semblance Phaedra (Virgin) at the Strand of Nightmares Tangerine Dream Movements of a Visionary Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream Sequent C' Phaedra (Virgin) Jeffery Fayman & The Stars Below A Temple in the Clouds Robert Fripp (Tranceportation/Projekt) VA [e. Voice p.] Entered Apprentice Ambient Landscapes 2 (Dark Duck) Steve Roach & Turning World * Solitaire:Ritual Ground (Projekt) Elmar Schulte 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Rubycon" on the Virgin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 03:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03250; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, rich wrote: > > example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, > and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. > then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this > deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble > happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use > the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it > fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would > pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, > which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob > twiddling. > This reminds me of a mod a friend of mine made to one of his old Boss DD-5s (he had two in series). To get that pitch dive/whistle effect that comes from a healthy tweak of the speed knob WITHOUT having to get down on his knees and pray to the digital god, he had a solder geek he knows pull out the pot and wire it into a gutted Wah pedal. This pedal was then wired directly into the DD-5. Imagine ripping the knob out and having the wires magically stretch out through the hole where the knob used to be and all the way over to a wah pedal; one covered with white shag carpeting no less. VERY cool, and pretty much necessary given the DD-5s didn't have a tap-tempo input if memory serves. Anyway, couldn't you pull the Mix knob out of the DL4 and do the same? I bet it would bypass all the preset mumbo jumbo that comes from wagging the expression pedal. An idea anyway. :) Happy looping. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 10:26:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07028; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:25:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011142321.15610.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: DOD Dimension12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2EefxD.A.ItB.gfH55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin- Thanks for the posting on the Dimension! A couple of questions: -does it have a true "hold" function in delay mode, using the footswitch? -when you tweak the delay time of a loop with the tap-tempo function (making a 1 sec loop 12 sec long, for example), is the pitch of the loop altered, or just its length? What happens to the sound quality of the loop after such a drastic change? Thanks for the info, Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 11:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07705; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E480A9.B14BA384@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:01:01 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD Dimension12 References: <20001011142321.15610.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott- The Dimension12 needs the DOD Footpedal FS3 to get the Sample and Hold function of the Dimension.Switch one is for Sample and Hold,so a true Holdfunction.Switch 2 is for tapping in the delaytime and switch three for turn on/off the effect.In reverse mode,only taping in the delaytime is possible.Negative aspect is,that we need this special footpedal for it,instead to use normal ones.Anyway.... The Pitch will not get altered,when changing the delay time from a short one to a long one.It could be said,that this-for example 1sec delay,will be copied in row until the longer delaytime is filled up. Like a Bitmapsequence in Photoshop.This can cause some noises,because it is not crossfaded.Rough cuts...This depends at least on the material. Mostly the result is acceptable an OK,and sometimes also a nice rythmical alteration happens,depending to the relation of the old time to the new one. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Martin schrieb > > Martin- > > Thanks for the posting on the Dimension! A couple of > questions: > > -does it have a true "hold" function in delay mode, > using the footswitch? > > -when you tweak the delay time of a loop with the > tap-tempo function (making a 1 sec loop 12 sec long, > for example), is the pitch of the loop altered, or > just its length? What happens to the sound quality of > the loop after such a drastic change? > > Thanks for the info, > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 11:27:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08086; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:25:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the idea, Todd! Kindof a scary one, but a interesting idea nonetheless. I opened the DL4 up once, to see if there was a user accessible EPROM chip (ala POD). No such luck...i had to send mine in to get an update, since i bought one of the very first ones. Seems like everything's packed in there pretty tight, but i'll check it out again. rich >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, rich wrote: >> >> example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >> and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >> then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >> deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >> happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >> the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >> fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >> pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >> which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >> twiddling. >> > >This reminds me of a mod a friend of mine made to one of his old Boss >DD-5s (he had two in series). To get that pitch dive/whistle effect that >comes from a healthy tweak of the speed knob WITHOUT having to get down on >his knees and pray to the digital god, he had a solder geek he knows pull >out the pot and wire it into a gutted Wah pedal. This pedal was then >wired directly into the DD-5. Imagine ripping the knob out and having the >wires magically stretch out through the hole where the knob used to be and >all the way over to a wah pedal; one covered with white shag carpeting no >less. VERY cool, and pretty much necessary given the DD-5s didn't have a >tap-tempo input if memory serves. > >Anyway, couldn't you pull the Mix knob out of the DL4 and do the same? I >bet it would bypass all the preset mumbo jumbo that comes from wagging the >expression pedal. > >An idea anyway. :) >Happy looping. > >--- >"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > >Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:10:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08811; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:05:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 11:05:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good morning. This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing loops? How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how do you synch? To what? With what? I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). Anyone else? Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. Lindsay Graham Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <82k8WC.A.bPC.6JJ55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/11/00 2:08:16 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, lindsay@pavestone.com writes: << listening suggestions are very welcome. >> lindsay.......welcome.......www.loopxchange.com this will give you an idea of what some folk from this list do musically........rumor has it, a few more cds are coming soon...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:23:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09347; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard in divers places about adding sonic material to loops by playing various things through the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, etc. My particular interest is in using cassette players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, and I think others on the list have mentioned it. Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats in this area? Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:32:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09794; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7785892C3084D411B37B00D0B788C766134788@mail.ghgroup.com> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Many of those devices are used to affect the strings by the magnetic field generated my the motor, and a cassette player will do that as well, but cassette players also have the additional benefit of allowing you to feed the audio into the pickups. I have tried using those little pocket memory devices (the little digital "memo to self"-type keychains), but find that they have trouble producing enough level to really work well. (I think they might work better if I were using a cleaner sound rather than distorted, ear-scratching feedback.) I have to say, though, one of the coolest things I've seen fed into pickups is the human voice. Robby Aceto, who's on this list sometimes (Hi Robby!), used to sing into his pickups and sample it with a stomp box when he played with Red Letter. > ---------- > From: Scott Martin > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Noises through pickups > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Noises through pickups

Many of those devices are = used to affect the strings by the magnetic field generated my the = motor, and a cassette player will do that as well, but cassette players = also have the additional benefit of allowing you to feed the audio into = the pickups. I have tried using those little pocket memory devices (the = little digital "memo to self"-type keychains), but find that = they have trouble producing enough level to really work well. (I think = they might work better if I were using a cleaner sound rather than = distorted, ear-scratching feedback.)

I have to say, though, one of = the coolest things I've seen fed into pickups is the human voice. Robby = Aceto, who's on this list sometimes (Hi Robby!), used to sing into his = pickups and sample it with a stomp box when he played with Red = Letter.

    ----------
    From:   Scott Martin
    Reply To: =       Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Sent:   Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM
    To:     = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: =        Noises through pickups

    I've heard in divers places about = adding sonic
    material to loops by playing various = things through
    the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, = cordless drills,
    etc.  My particular interest is = in using cassette
    players; I know that Torn sensei = does some of this,
    and I think others on the list have = mentioned it.
    Anyone care to share experiences, = techniques, caveats
    in this area?

    Scott Martin
    coirbidh_99@yahoo.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:42:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10242; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: ----words below are by Stew---- Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's sort of neat! ----words below are mine---- Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) regards, Steve Burnett -- onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:54:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10782; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001011124345.024bb910@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:51:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: Noises through pickups In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may not be what you're looking for, but I've found that a recording walkman (the kind with the little speaker in it), set to record and held over the pickups, produces a wonderful squealy feedback which you can manipulate a bit depending on placement- and putting it in "pause" changes the feedback as well. Plus you get some strange stuff recorded on the cassette that's in there! Kevin At 09:21 AM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >I've heard in divers places about adding sonic >material to loops by playing various things through >the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, >etc. My particular interest is in using cassette >players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, >and I think others on the list have mentioned it. >Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats >in this area? > >Scott Martin >coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11000; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:55:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a couple of mag pick-ups that I play around with. I've used lengths of 2" thin-wall conduit (6 ft or so) held like marimba bars. LOW tones!! Also howitzer shells work pretty well. I bought some cheap stainless steel ones. The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing bowls, interestingly enough. And don't forget to loop your loopers! Take a radio (AM works really well), put it next to your EDP or whatever, and tweak the tuning until you hear things. Loop the audio from the radio. Distortion boxes can help here. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Burnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > > material to loops by playing various things through > > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > > in this area? > > I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: > > ----words below are by Stew---- > Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone > else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night > by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in > some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around > the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on > the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and > it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting > sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied > by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to > the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, > but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's > sort of neat! > ----words below are mine---- > > Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) > > regards, > Steve Burnett > -- > onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:04:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11258; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130A3F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:59:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my friend ge stinson uses a handheld dictaphone (real name? one of those mini cassette recorders business guys use), places it over the pickup and adds a little volume boost. works pretty well. can kinda get shortwave sorta sounds - - and can be totally insane (and too loud) if used with fuzz, etc. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11871; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A336.70F64FCB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:28:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2T-yID.A.B5C.INK55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There used to be toys called "MegaMouths" They were essentially little voice effects that played back built in samples. Some of them sampled as well. Anyway, I use them all the time to put vocal content into my guitar pickups via inductance. The problem is they are VERY prone to feedback. The best way to do it, is to kill your guitar's output while doing it, and use it for looping purposes only. I have a little micro cassette recorder that works well too. My girlfriend bought me a pitch shifter halloween toy that I'm "dying" to try out! (the quality is surprisingly good!) Anyway, check out your local toy stores, they're full of bargain musical ideas! Mark Sottilaro Steve Burnett wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > > material to loops by playing various things through > > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > > in this area? > > I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: > > ----words below are by Stew---- > Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone > else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night > by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in > some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around > the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on > the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and > it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting > sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied > by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to > the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, > but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's > sort of neat! > ----words below are mine---- > > Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) > > regards, > Steve Burnett > -- > onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:33:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11986; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:29:36 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made of? -Allan |:????:| Dennis Leas wrote: > > ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing > bowls, interestingly enough.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:48:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.168.4.72] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:40:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Noises through pickups From: Frank Mabee To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010111701.NAA11180@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 17:40:36.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D33D9F0:01C033AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Scott Martin Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Noises through pickups I've heard in divers places about adding sonic material to loops by playing various things through the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, etc. My particular interest is in using cassette players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, and I think others on the list have mentioned it. Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats in this area? Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster. I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. No, really, I don't stand at the edge of the stage and stare at guitarist's pedalboard. Really. Frank --MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Noises through pickups

From: Scott Martin <coirbidh_99@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Noises through pickups

I've heard in divers places about adding sonic
material to loops by playing various things through
the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills,
etc.  My particular interest is in using cassette
players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this,
and I think others on the list have mentioned it.
Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats
in this area?

Scott Martin
coirbidh_99@yahoo.com

Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of= those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it bac= k into the pickups of his Jazzmaster.  I think he takes a second output= from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amp= lifier.

No, really, I don't stand at the edge of the stage and stare at guitarist's= pedalboard.  Really.

Frank
--MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12976; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c033ac$8707ca00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:56:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Singing bowls are traditional brass bowls from I forget what asian country- they use a thick wooden pestle-like handles- you rub the outher rim of the bowl in a 360 degree rotation and it begins to resonate- VERY cool- one day I will start collecting these things- I have always loved gongs etc- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups >Dennis, > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made >of? > >-Allan >|:????:| > >Dennis Leas wrote: >> >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing >> bowls, interestingly enough.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:56:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13109; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130A41@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster. I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. ** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Noises through pickups

Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster.   
 
 
 
 
 I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier.

** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such.
 
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:59:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13240; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:55:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8gjlg.A.SND.qmK55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. you hold the bowl at the very bottom in one hand by your fingertips, then run the edge of the rod round the lip of the bowl, applying even pressure and the bowl begins to resonate and 'sing'. They can also be simply struck, and they ring like a gong. It takes some practice and getting used to, but once you get it, it's fairly easy to make 'em work. There is an incredible variety of shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). They are terribly beautiful when played correctly with concentrated intent. imagine the mellowest sounding feedback you've ever heard and that's getting close. Depending on the quality of the bowl, there seems to be a true 'drone' or 'voice' that belongs to each bowl, and with practice and concentration, you can work on eliminating some of the odd harmonics and tones out while you are playing and you end up with the bowl resonating very pure. For me, getting that pure sound had alot to do with the meditative intent as much as hand coordination. They also make some large ones of crystal glass. The real big ones make some amazing low tones that make your gut rumble a bit. yummy. rich >Dennis, > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made >of? > >-Allan >|:????:| > >Dennis Leas wrote: >> >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing >> bowls, interestingly enough.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15031; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:10:10 EDT Subject: RE: Noises through pickups To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me... I saw Eugene Chadbourne with his then-band Shockabilly in Denton, Texas, about 1985... "playing" a leaf rake (the kind with long rattly tines on it) that had pickups duct-taped on to it. I nearly soiled myself. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15814; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- There is an incredible variety of > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and > play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops > or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple > of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there > years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). > Where in Boulder? bret http://www.mp3.com/brothersync __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:42:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16312; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A602.D26ADADC@sigecom.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:18 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Guy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lindsey, Are you from Indiana? Evansville? Scott lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Good morning. > > This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing > list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, > thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are > out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, > myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. > > I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance > looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before > the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for > individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing > loops? > > How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to > intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how > do you synch? To what? With what? > > I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly > before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the > EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler > boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be > done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening > suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know > his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him > (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the > last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). > Anyone else? > > Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. > > Lindsay Graham > Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:54:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16669; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Audwin.Carter@Gunter.AF.mil Message-ID: <47F5E257CBF6D311B99A009027B11D4A1F8A51@fsjubj04.ssg.gunter.af.mil> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Beat machine Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if there is a program or software that can turn your computer keyboard into a beat machine?? Someone told me about one recently but I am skeptical. If you have any info on such a program please help me out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17331; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: John Neilson Message-Id: <200010111902.e9BJ2Su16500@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> from "Scott Martin" at Oct 11, 2000 09:21:08 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Wc8WD.A.bIE.TlL55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin Any form of small motor will get picked up by the guitar if held close enough. I "played" an electric screwdriver on a recording years ago. You have some small degree of control depending on how you hold it, how close, etc. Vibrators may or not work the same way. I think the main way people use them is to vibrate the strings directly, like a 6-string EBow. John ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson jneil@jneil.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16847; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:42 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 01:58:57 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Are you from Indiana? > Evansville? No. I live in Dallas. What gave you the idea that I might be from Indiana--Evansville, in particular? I checked to see if my company might have a plant there--but we don't. Now I'm all curious. Is there some rogue Lindsay from Evansville, Scourge of the God-fearing and Bane of the West? Is he/she defiling my name? By the way, those clear plastic, 50's-styled Martian ray-gun pistols with the friction/inertia motor and piece of flint--you know the one that sparks like crazy when you pull the trigger and rev it up--can also come through on particular pick-ups. It depends on what the flywheel inside is made of. If it ferrous, then it acts like a tone wheel from a B3. Plus, you get the super cool effect of spraying sparks all over stage. Scott Winzinger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Guy 10/11/00 12:40 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Lindsey, Are you from Indiana? Evansville? Scott lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Good morning. > > This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing > list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, > thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are > out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, > myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. > > I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance > looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before > the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for > individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing > loops? > > How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to > intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how > do you synch? To what? With what? > > I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly > before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the > EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler > boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be > done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening > suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know > his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him > (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the > last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). > Anyone else? > > Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. > > Lindsay Graham > Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:08:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17573; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> References: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:05:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In Boulder, on Pearl St. (i think that's the name, it's been a number of years since i was there, the sort of 'mall' street with all of the shops). There was a store on one end that sold all kinds of asian/indian ethnic goodies... clothing, statues, etc. They had the biggest variety of tibetan singing bowls i had ever seen, at very reasonable prices compared to the inflated price tags you see at the new age shops. I bought my bowl there in '95. God knows if the store is even there anymore? rich >-- There is an incredible variety of > > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and >> play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops >> or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple >> of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there >> years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). >> > >Where in Boulder? >bret >http://www.mp3.com/brothersync > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17839; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011191813.9349.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lindsay: you asked. =) Bear in mind that my setup has been done from a "how can I do this cheaply, preferably with stuff I already have" viewpoint, and may thus be considered an "entry-level" or "budget" solo looping setup, as it were. It also probably doesn't sound as good as other setups. =) Your mileage may vary. I'm currently running a Steinberger Spirit through a Digitech XP300 Space Station into a Line 6 Flextone. The effects send on the amp goes to a Digitech RDS 3.6 set for 100% wet output. The effect output goes to the mixer; the dry output goes to a Boomerang, and then to the mixer. The Boomerang's aux out (loop sound only) goes to a Digitech XP400 reverb pedal (being used as a volume pedal only), into a Digitech S100 rack multi-effects unit (this looping setup made possible by Digitech....), and into the mixer, which is (don't laugh too hard) a Radio Shack passive 4-channel in mono mode. The mixer output feeds the Flextone's effects return. The way I generally use all this stuff: the RDS is used mostly for ambient background and "special effect" loops, taking advantage of the unit's ability to pitch-shift loops by tweaking the delay time. I might scratch the strings with my pick, for example, and then double or triple the delay time for a "barking dogs of hell" sort of sound. This sort of application means that I don't have to worry about trying to sync with the Boomerang, which is primarily used for rhythmic and longer atmospheric loops. Most of my stuff tends to build from arpeggiated or volume-swelled chord sequences or metal-wannabe riffs; the latter are fun to drop an octave for nasty industrial sounds. My personal feeling is that, while shorter-delay loopers are good at what they do, a serious solo looper should have a good long-delay box in their setup: an EDP, JamMan, Boomerang, or Repeater. One could make the argument that the Headrush and DL4 should also be included in this list, although I ended up replacing my Headrush with the 'Rang because I found that it wasn't flexible enough for my needs. Again, YMMV. Loop music recommendations: You've got Frisell covered, apparently. I highly recommend David Torn's work (my personal introduction to looping), particularly _What Means Solid, Traveler?_ and the new Splattercell disc (DT's duo with ex-Living Colour drummer Will Calhoun). Robert Fripp's Soundscaping albums are more ambient and less satisfying to me personally, but there are lots of Fripp fans on the LD list who can sing his praises. If you prefer a more band-oriented sound, Polytown (featuring Mr. Torn) is a good choice. Robby Aceto's album _Code_ is a wonderful piece of work using looping in a more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get my hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red Letter). Also, explore other repetitive musics besides those specifically made by loop-device-users. Some inspiration listening for me lately has been Nine Inch Nails' _The Fragile_ and a collection of Native American music. Enjoy! Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18298; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:35:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, > but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing > Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and > you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. Rich has it right! For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of these days I'll get my website up)... IMHO: I've never played an instrument that I've "felt" as much as a singing bowl. Not only do you feel the vibrations through the stick but also through your other hand. It's fun to put water in it and watch the patterns, too. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, > but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing > Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and > you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. you hold the bowl at the > very bottom in one hand by your fingertips, then run the edge of the > rod round the lip of the bowl, applying even pressure and the bowl > begins to resonate and 'sing'. They can also be simply struck, and > they ring like a gong. > > It takes some practice and getting used to, but once you get it, it's > fairly easy to make 'em work. There is an incredible variety of > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and > play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops > or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple > of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there > years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). > > They are terribly beautiful when played correctly with concentrated > intent. imagine the mellowest sounding feedback you've ever heard > and that's getting close. Depending on the quality of the bowl, > there seems to be a true 'drone' or 'voice' that belongs to each > bowl, and with practice and concentration, you can work on > eliminating some of the odd harmonics and tones out while you are > playing and you end up with the bowl resonating very pure. For me, > getting that pure sound had alot to do with the meditative intent as > much as hand coordination. > > They also make some large ones of crystal glass. The real big ones > make some amazing low tones that make your gut rumble a bit. yummy. > > rich > > > > > >Dennis, > > > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just > >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip > >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could > >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made > >of? > > > >-Allan > >|:????:| > > > >Dennis Leas wrote: > >> > >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing > >> bowls, interestingly enough.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18477; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7785892C3084D411B37B00D0B788C76613478D@mail.ghgroup.com> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > Scott Martin wrote: "Robby Aceto's album _Code_ is a wonderful piece of > work using looping in a more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get > my hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red Letter)." > Jeez, 2 mentions of Red Letter in one day. What a list! There actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, although I'm pretty sure the first one is way out of print. The second one (True North) also is more loopiful than the first, but both are very good. There is still an online order form for True North at https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& (I can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to confess my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red Letter I made at Don Hill's in NYC.] > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup)

    Scott Martin wrote: "Robby Aceto's = album _Code_ is a = wonderful piece of work using looping in a = more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get my = hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red = Letter)."

    Jeez, 2 mentions of Red = Letter in one day. What a list! There actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, = although I'm pretty sure the first one is way out of print. The second = one (True North) also is more loopiful than the first, but both are = very good. There is still an online order form for True North at https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& (I = can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to confess = my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red Letter I made = at Don Hill's in NYC.]

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18694; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:55:22 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 02:55:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is great--thank you, Scott Martin. Now I've got a neat little diagram of your stage rig and I'll be pondering its implications when I get off work. Anyone else? In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? Thanks again, Lindsay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18983; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:04:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 15:48 -0400 10/11/00, Morrison, Roger wrote: >Jeez, 2 mentions of Red Letter in one day. What a list! There >actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, although I'm pretty sure the first >one is way out of print. The second one (True North) also is more >loopiful than the first, but both are very good. There is still an >online order form for True North at >https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& >(I can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to >confess my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red >Letter I made at Don Hill's in NYC.] (thanks for changing the Subject so I'd be sure to read this) yes, True North is still available there. I don't have copies of Reach to sell but I think Rob may still have some. Rob? Coincidentally, I just pulled out Reach and Code for first listenings in a long time the other day. Can I get a copy of your recording from Don Hill's? There has been talk about getting together and playing again sometime this winter and it'd be nice to have a reminder of what it's supposed to sound like :-) Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ "There are only two rules: 1. Don't hurt anyone 2. It isn't possible not to hurt anyone" -- Adam Adrian Crown From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:17:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19274; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c033c0$ffa7d360$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to join the league!!! Damn, all those gleaming bowls- looks like bliss- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > >For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of >these days I'll get my website up)... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19398; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:19:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? Must make for great parties. i can only imagine all of them going...awesome collection, Dennis! > >For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of >these days I'll get my website up)... > >IMHO: I've never played an instrument that I've "felt" as much as a singing >bowl. Not only do you feel the vibrations through the stick but also >through your other hand. It's fun to put water in it and watch the >patterns, too. I'm gonna second that. nothing 'feels' like the bowls when they're getting going...the water trick is a blast too. i've noticed that the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. rich ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating a smaller bowl in it and then playing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:32:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19773; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:33:39 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the > effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, > we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you > employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? I use multiple RDS series loopers and an old Boss rackmount for this; each loop is discreet and I run two guitar amps for spread, depth, and clarity of signal so it doesn't turn into mush through one input. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ:1280871 http://www.reverendrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19917; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:32:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019601c033c1$8efd17f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <016001c033c0$ffa7d360$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5Odx3C.A.W0E.I4M55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I want to join the league!!! Damn, all those gleaming bowls- looks like > bliss- Bliss yes! Observe the goofy grins... :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:35:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20055; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8mUkH.A.H4E.R6M55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take a picture. :) > ...i've noticed that > the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've > seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. Yes! Very nice. Somebody should try a clear glass bowl and project the image. > ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a > little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating > a smaller bowl in it and then playing? I haven't tried this. Thanks for the tip! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:46:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20927; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:45:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:45:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4D0BB.55A18F52@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:42:35 -0600 From: "Jason E. Fink" Organization: City of Albuquerque X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance setup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone else? > > In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the > effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, > we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you > employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? I hope others respond to this thread, because I am really into seeing what you guys are up to... in addition I am very interested in answers to the question above. So here is my gear, although my groovy new Zvex Seek Wah is not pictured. http://gisweb.cabq.gov/mp3/jason Though I still feel like a neophyte looper, I can get some cool sounds going with my gear. I still have difficulty transitioning between loops and parts and stuff. Usually I get something going, play over it for about 2 hours and then hit the stop button... start somthing else and repeat. Some of this I can blame on the Headrush, which doesnt allow the feedback to decay with you hit the stop button. As a solution I'll use my Vortex to make small loops from the Headrush output, then things arent so abrupt when stop is hit. However, I would prefer to have better control of feedback on the Headrush itself. There is a sound file on the above link which is my FIRST recording of any looping efforts, and it was done with the gear pictured... it is 2 tracks of loopy guitar and a third overdubbed bass part. This was done with the Headrush in Tape-delay mode rather than Looper mode, and the Vortex was set to one of Andy Butlers cool loop patches. Great fun, I hope to get better at it. Later, -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21061; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:47:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Performance setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:55 PM -0500 10/11/00, lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: >Now I've got a neat little diagram of your stage rig and I'll be pondering >its implications when I get off work. > >Anyone else? If you click on one of the images on there is a schematic of my long-time guitar/loop setup (although it's about to change in a major way). MIDI foot control is omitted from the diagram, although it probably shouldn't be. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:51:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21164; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:50:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Performance setup Message-ID: <0056910007931135000002L152*@MHS> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/11/00 15:47:47" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA21073 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite simple setup ever is one EDP straight into your amp. It takes along time to exhaust all the possibilities. When I get fancy, I do this : 1.into my DL4 then to an EDP 2.into 2 EDPs, in parallel (but not in stereo), then into two amps (usually sync'd, but not necessarily) 3.into an EDP then into another EDP (in series) into an amp (sync'd or not) 4.my newest experiment : my Orville into two EDPs I assure you that you can do most of this stuff for a lot less money than I have. I have more money than ability, but I can make a hellava lot of noise. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:19:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21594; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c033c8$96907820$a283abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Performance setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use this, but I dream to make it lighter: Gtr to: Advance Missing Link (tube mixer) "AML" AML send A to: Eventide 4000 then to Boss Vf-1 then back to AML return A AML send B to: Digitech 2101 then back to AML return B AML stereo out to splitter: stereo out to mixer; stereo out to Jam Man; stereo out to EDP. Jam Man to mixer EDP to mixer I hope to make Switch Blade Revolution soon. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:23:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21712; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Performance setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can read about my setup at my website, click on 'Dave's Guitars', to get the rundown. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > Anyone else? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:58:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22124; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016701c033cd$6d8ad060$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:51:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9dbyND.A.jZF.6DO55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Martin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Noises through pickups > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com When I saw BLUE a while back, during a particularly intense piece, Torn used a little tape recorder and played what sounded like an Islamic muezzin's call into his pickup. I don't remember but he may have fed that into a loop. Way cool. I was making noise with some other people in a rehearsal space recently, and I found a funny little plastic toy guitar sitting around. When you pushed the fretboard, it played a little shred solo through a tiny speaker. At one point, I picked it up and played it into the pickup on my bass. It got a good laugh out of everyone. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 19:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23912; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PRCamann@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.3c9741f.27165556@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:44:22 EDT Subject: re: massive arrays of loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently assembling a system in an SKB PS-100 case (pedalboard plus 3-space rack). The pedalboard has three DFX94's (tweaked for 5-6 second delay time -- at the expense of a little aliasing at the higher times -- and runaway regeneration at the max regen setting) arranged in three separate loops, each loop having an additional delay or other processor for mangling the sound (right now I have a PDS 20/20 and a Boss PS-3 in two of the loops, and am auditioning a Pefftronics SB-101 Rand-O-Matic, a Danelectro Tuna Melt Tremelo, and a DOD FX13 Gonkulator Modulator -- with modifications for changing the oscillator frequency -- in the third loop). I may substitute a PDS8000 for one of the DFX94's. Each loop will run through a custom 4x4 mixer (under construction) which will combine the input and the contents of the various loops in assorted nasty ways. The rack currently contains a DeltaLab ADM4096 Echotron, an RDS 7.6 and an RDS8000, with cabling running to a box (also under construction) which makes the back audio and control connections accessible from the front. I just acquired a Vortex from Music-Go-Round, so that may replace the RDS8000 (I think I'm going to want the greater control flexibility of the 7.6 at the expense of the greater fidelity of the 8000). Feeding this whole mess will be any combination of inputs from my trumpet (Barcus Berry mouthpiece pickup into myriad processing gear) or my Crumar Steiner EVI or Akai EWI, or some DIY synth modules, probably fed through a Space Station and some EQ for additional strangeness. My neighbors would quake with fear if they knew. Back to the lurkers' murk.... BTW, it's very easy to mod the DFX94 to bring delay control to a pedal (or even voltage control). There's also a way to make the modes footswitchable (I have the circuit worked out, but haven't built it yet). One of my six DFX94's has been modded with three extra jacks, one in parallel with the footswitch, one to bring the delay control out to a pedal, and the third to interface with the yet-to-be-built mode controller. Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 22:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26649; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E51D9F.D0080E06@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:10:39 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, dennis@mdbs.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1CrP-.A.PgG.x3R55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: Where do you order your bowls? The few web sites I've found all have astronomical prices, like $US200 for an 8" bowl on up to $US1,000 for 14" guarantied to match your personal 4th chaulkra(R) and is feng suey(tm) correct. Seems pretty outrageous for a quartz or bronze bowl. I'm don't need one blessed by the Daily Llama, just one (or six) that sing. :-) -Allan Dennis Leas wrote: > > > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? > > Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of > folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take > a picture. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 23:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27732; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001012031604.7736.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Loop dynamics in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In particular, I'm interested in learning how to >control the >effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a >loop. For instance, >we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. >What mechanisms do you >employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To >bring it back? I'm really glad you asked this - I'm very curious to hear everyone else's responses! =) In my own setup, it's pretty easy to alter one loop or the other. Once the Boomerang's loop has been set, new material is not added until you press the STACK button, so I can play as much as I want without affecting the loop contents. With the RDS, I have a footswitch plugged in to control the Infinite Hold function, so I can open and close the loop at will. Bringing loops in and out is variably difficult depending on which loop it is. I prefer to have as much control as possible by foot, keeping my hands on the guitar. The Boomerang has a foot roller that controls the output level of the loop through the main output, so I can fade loops in and out as I please. The roller does not control the level at the aux out, but since I have a volume pedal inserted between that output and the Digitech S100, I can fade that in and out as well. This also lets me do fun things like continuously adjust the ratio of dry:effected signal while I'm playing. To change the volume of the RDS loop, I have to take my hands off the guitar (boo!) and tweak it at the mixer (I prefer to leave the input and output level knobs on the unit set where they are). I could also open the loop with the footswitch and let it decay to silence (provided I don't play anything in the meantime); the maximum feedback setting on the unit still fades out fairly rapidly with a 1-2 sec loop. If I have both units going simultaneously, I usually end a piece by fading out the 'Rang with its roller, and then opening the loop on the RDS and waiting for it to decay. Using a looper which is capable of switching between multiple loops would open up a whole 'nother cauldron of icthyoids, but I'd better let the experienced folk comment on that. =) In addition, the EDP is capable of much more extensive manipulation of loops: replacing material instead of overdubbing, multiplying short loops and then overdubbing longer phrases on top, etc. Hope this info helps! Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 00:31:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28869; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:32:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0l7wkD.A.3CH._4T55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting how the subject changed, no? Since you are one that orders and distributes those marvelous things... Is it true that they make a lot more than end up sounding decently? I feel that mine is hollow... is it? completely? partly? How do they do that? > > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? > >Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of >folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take >a picture. :) > >> ...i've noticed that >> the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've >> seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. > >Yes! Very nice. Somebody should try a clear glass bowl and project the >image. > >> ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a >> little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating >> a smaller bowl in it and then playing? > >I haven't tried this. Thanks for the tip! > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 00:37:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29023; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.168.4.126] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:35:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #335 From: Frank Mabee To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010111926.PAA18006@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 04:35:49.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5642400:01C03405] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. ** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such. stig you're probably right. when i saw him using the smokey amp back into the pickups, i tried to visually trace where the cords were going, but... frank --MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #335

I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guita= r signal still goes through to his amplifier.

** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - -= or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. h= owever, he does like to use toy rayguns and such.

stig

you're probably right.  when i saw him using the smokey amp back i= nto the pickups, i tried to visually trace where the cords were going, but..=

frank
--MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 06:25:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31786; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E5233C.1C75@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:34:37 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I've been debating over whether or not it was appropriate to make a post about this to Looper's Delight, but after seeing the LONG threads on pickup noise and performance setups, I actually think it's a very valid issue. So bear with me for a second. First off: An interview I recently did has now gone live at None For You Dear (http://www.noneforyoudear.com), a music-oriented web site that features interviews and reviews (as well as some non-musical content as well). The "cover story" right now is actually an interview with Reeves Gabrels conducted by Mike Keneally, and Reeves goes into much detail talking about the origin of his penchant for textural sounds (much interesting content for you pickup noise-mongers out there). There's a spot in my own interview where I actually make mention of this very mailing list, and on the impact it had in shaping some of my attitudes about looping, and more specifically the whole "ambient e-bow guitar looping" paradigm in general. Now here's the rub: upon re-reading my comments, I started wondering if perhaps I hadn't adequately expressed my viewpoints in the interview as being specific to four years ago (which is when this list started up), and if my attitude towards looping was in danger of being a bit out of touch. Then again, after seeing all the guitar-centric talk on the list over the last couple of days, I can't help but think it's still very much a valid issue. I certainly don't intend to cast aspersions on anyone here, guitarist or otherwise. My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? I'd really be interested in hearing any opinions. For those so inclined, the looping comments in my own interview at None For You Dear are towards the middle of transcript, in between talk about the state of independent music and playing Rock & Roll in post-communist Russia. Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---->"Andre LaFosse is an astonishing guitarist of a very different ilk. Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO magazine, May 2000) ---->"For electric guitar enthusiasts everywhere, this one's essential." (Alternative Press magazine, September 2000) ---->"Disruption Theory is one of the best guitar albums I've ever heard." (Outburn magazine #12) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 08:43:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00641; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:41:25 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've heard in divers places about adding sonic >material to loops by playing various things through >the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, >etc. My particular interest is in using cassette >players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, >and I think others on the list have mentioned it. >Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats >in this area? heyhey. been singing into my pickups for a longlong time--- think i re-started that in '87, after a few years hiatus--- but around '93, after i saw this rockin' band in minneapolis, 'saucer' --- who split their playing-time twixt 'real' instruments & kids' toys--- i began employing the microcassette-machines that matt chamberlain & wes martin had turned me onto, a few years previous. microcassette (w/fast forward, fast rewind, pitchcontrols) is a great tool; ye can work the transport & pitchcontrols as performance-elements, sweep the 'speaker' across the pickups for a rhythmic-effect, loop/affect any of it, etc..... however, i dedicate my right hand to this function, so some more-'normal' instrumentalists might not respond to theseall techniques. anyway, the machines are cheap, too! (.....radios can be fun, also.) i used a 'vibrator', a few times in the early 80's, but..... ummm..... didn't get so much musicality from that; 'twas fun to see the front-row's reaction, though. also: 'personal fans' can be kinda nice, both sonically &, add'ly as a mechanised-pick/'stringdriver'. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 09:19:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01249; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <22.c59e74c.271713ef@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:17:35 EDT Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <8AROGB.A.KT.Yob55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Singing bowls are traditional brass bowls from I forget what asian country- that would be tibet, methinks. best, d / s-c In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 09:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01501; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <68.817c4b5.27171601@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:26:25 EDT Subject: Re: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <3JyWH.A.GX.lwb55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott, thanks for recommending my work. for yer further info: SPLaTTeRCeLL is definitely *NOT* a duo w/my good friend, will calhoun: far from it, it is a *'solo'* project, w/help from many friends..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn >Loop music recommendations: You've got Frisell >covered, apparently. I highly recommend David Torn's >work (my personal introduction to looping), >particularly _What Means Solid, Traveler?_ and the new >Splattercell disc (DT's duo with ex-Living Colour >drummer Will Calhoun). 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