From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 1 02:09:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17144; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: Checking Up on Sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:30:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <000701bfe2b7$e5672d20$c73c5cd1@-> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1J_78.A.ZLE.DnYX5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, has anybody played with this baby: Emu ESI2000 Sampler I'm seeing a great price at Sam Ash. What's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is it good quality? I haven't seen it yet. J. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 2 18:04:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28855; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395FAE61.C48EDF73@ripco.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 17:04:38 -0400 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments References: <395A5791.BC1A5C97@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Darcy, If you're interested in finding out a lot more about new sound sources and unusual instruments like the waterphone, I suggest visiting the Experimental Musical Instruments site . EMI was a small but invaluable magazine published from 1985 up until last year. You can find a lot of interesting articles on electroacoustic instruments in the EMI web page, through the listing their back issues (which are still available). The EMI homepage also has a large number of links to various instrument inventors and resources on the web. There's also an interesting discussion list called "oddmusic," with a focus on invented instruments. There's been a of talk and tips on "circuit-bending" there. You can access it through e-groups.com: Best regards, Eric Darcy Clark wrote: > I was going to ask what a waterphone was, but found a webpage describing > one : > http://www.spacebeat.com/waterphone/ > > must be a great instrument to loop I would think.....cool > > Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue > Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a > 3-piece with a zither playing getting some great sounds and quite > possibly using looping also. It looked like it was split into chordal > and lead zones. It was dark and the band was hard to see, but it > appeared that the zither player was setting up chordal-type sustaining > sounds on one zone of the instrument and playing lead-type stuff on a > different zone. > > Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about other cool electric or > acoustic instruments that are interesting sounding (and maybe suitable > for loopy type stuff). > > Darcy > > magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > Loopers-Delightwell since i use no guitars and opt for samplers with live loops from my mics and modular synths > > > > i guess i would breakdance > > dude i am electro besides my waterphone and well i could play the kids that > > c > > > > @annihilist.com wrote: > > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 1:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... > > > > curious, > > > > k > > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > Ph: (734) 764 3377 > Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu > URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > --------------------------------------------------- -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ what's new: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 2 18:47:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29509; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:46:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:46:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601bfe477$fe08e460$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <395BF1F3.95ECBF0F@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Digitech Multiplay Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:50:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, much thanks. > I'm a long time owner of a Multiplay 20/20 and would strongly recommend > it to anyone looking for a great delay pedal. Up to 2 seconds of delay > with a hold pedal that allows you to basically sample and hold a delay, > press the footswitch, add some more, close it again and so on until you > can stand no more. Plus, the addition of a sort of chorus/flanger (I'm > not sure what they call it but it doesn't quite sound like either in my > opinion. A nice modulation effect but it can get overused quickly) that > can be added to the delay (up to 1 second I think). This was really my > first effects pedal and I still hold it in high esteem. In the days of > the DL4 it may not be worth a whole lot of cash, but if you find one for > under, say $75, its a pretty nice piece of gear. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 07:19:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01389; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301bfe4d7$ccadb160$63c7223f@Thorgal> From: "tb" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:57:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFD704.00DEB6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFD704.00DEB6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello loopies, I would like to throw a question to ya... is anyone using a edp in conjuntion with a sampler? Any tips on techniques, approaches? my sampler has a built in sequencer so I can set it on record and loop = and play in real time. how are you doing it? ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFD704.00DEB6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello loopies,
I would like to throw a question to = ya...
 
is anyone using a edp in conjuntion with a=20 sampler?
 
Any tips on techniques, approaches?
 
my sampler has a built in sequencer so I can set it = on record=20 and loop and play in real time.
 
how are you doing it?
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFD704.00DEB6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 08:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01819; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:21:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3960FFE1.6451195F@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:04:33 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: References: <002301bfe4d7$ccadb160$63c7223f@Thorgal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com TB Interesting but short could you explain a litle more in details do you use sync in sync out from plex ? does the seq trig the plex's operations ? can you sample your loops on the fly to make space ? which sampler ? eh ? welcome btw Claude > tb wrote: > > hello loopies, > I would like to throw a question to ya... > > is anyone using a edp in conjuntion with a sampler? > > Any tips on techniques, approaches? > > my sampler has a built in sequencer so I can set it on record and loop > and play in real time. > > how are you doing it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 13:42:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04163; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000703174036.11512.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Earache Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These are original CDs not copies. They are all in perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or trade for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 MkII, or Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would still be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs I paid $100 each. Make an offer. Will trade for gear + or – cash if you’re somewhere in the Rockford / Chicago / burbs area. Analog Grooves (Big Fish Audio) Brotherhood (Self Reliance Productions) Chemical Big Beats (Steinberg) 3 CDs Cold Fusion Technologic (Steinberg) 3 CDs Creative Sounds (Prosonus) sound effect .wavs Dance Music Programming Secrets (Prentice Hall) CD Dance/Industrial (East West) 2 CDs Dance/Industrial II (East West) 2 CDs D-Day Megaton Bomb 2 (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs Drum and Bass X-citers (Steinberg) 3 CDs Drum Loops Vol. 1 (Big Fish Audio) Drum Loops Vol. 2 (Big Fish Audio) Electro Age (Steinberg) 3 CDs Global Noize Vol. 1 (Ezion Labolg Productions) Groovebox (Best Service) Guitar (HitSound) Hallelujah World Choirs (Best Service) Hard & Loud Techno (Soundscan) Haujobb Matrix (Metropolis) electro-industrial loops and samples Hip Hop Beats and Treats (Steinberg) 3 CDs Jungle Warfare (Zero-G) ultra-fast loops and samples Killer Bites (Quebec Inc.) Loops for Acid Signals II (INS) Maximum Impact Alternative (DSM Digital Productions) Megaton Bomb (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs Methods of Mayhem (Sounds Good) Mosterpack (Masterbits) 8 CDs! Neftali’s Street Ghetto Series (Santiago Productions) Paul Kodish Dangerous Drums (Keyfax) Represtin’ Hip Hop (On Point Productions) Simon Harris for Your Ears Only (Music of Life) Skinned (Zero-G) comprehensive samples from the private archives of Skinny Puppy Skinny Puppy Soundisc (Zero-G) 2 CDs Skinny Puppy loops audio, .wav, .trk files Sound Palette Hip Hop (Big Fish Audio) Sound Palette Techno (Big Fish Audio) Techno Toolbox (East West) Technophobia! (East West) Tekno/Industrial (East West) The Bomb Reggae Loops (East West) The Drum Machine Sampling CD (3D Sounds) The Essential Sample Collection (Discovery Firm) a “best of” Travelogue 1 Africa (e-Lab) Twiddly Bits Vol. 7 Programmer’s Tool Kit (Keyfax) Twiddly Bits Vol. 8 MIDI Breakbeats (Keyfax) Unique Sounds (Future Music) elements from stars like Autechre Voltage (Big Fish Audio) West Coast Funk Stew (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs X tortion (e-Lab) 2 CDs ===== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |e|a|r|a|c|h|e| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ earache@rocketmail.com enofsinger@high-voltage.com http://www.high-voltage.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 17:15:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05803; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000703211301.94661.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.245.6] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Edp problems Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:13:01 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers, My EDP hust went out. It will come on if I tilt it on its side and then die. As it dies I hear a kind of click or light thud(but dose not sound like a component is loose) as though a switch is thrown and then it dies.Any one else have this problem or know who I can send to to get fixed. Thanks, Jeremiah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 19:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06933; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000703225736.65043.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.241] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:57:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9xRmg.A.trB.AqRY5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com nice collection :) i have a few things to trade such as TC electronics 2290 delay (i have a few of these) oberhiem ob8 analog synth akai s1000 zeta sympte box e2 sampler and library let me know if u like ne thine I'm from british colombia canada but we might be able to work somthing out? sean vance >From: Earache >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) > >These are original CDs not copies. They are all in >perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or trade >for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 MkII, or >Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would still >be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs I >paid $100 each. > >Make an offer. >Will trade for gear + or – cash if you’re somewhere in >the Rockford / Chicago / burbs area. > >Analog Grooves (Big Fish Audio) >Brotherhood (Self Reliance Productions) >Chemical Big Beats (Steinberg) 3 CDs >Cold Fusion Technologic (Steinberg) 3 CDs >Creative Sounds (Prosonus) sound effect .wavs >Dance Music Programming Secrets (Prentice Hall) CD >Dance/Industrial (East West) 2 CDs >Dance/Industrial II (East West) 2 CDs >D-Day Megaton Bomb 2 (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs >Drum and Bass X-citers (Steinberg) 3 CDs >Drum Loops Vol. 1 (Big Fish Audio) >Drum Loops Vol. 2 (Big Fish Audio) >Electro Age (Steinberg) 3 CDs >Global Noize Vol. 1 (Ezion Labolg Productions) >Groovebox (Best Service) >Guitar (HitSound) >Hallelujah World Choirs (Best Service) >Hard & Loud Techno (Soundscan) >Haujobb Matrix (Metropolis) electro-industrial loops >and samples >Hip Hop Beats and Treats (Steinberg) 3 CDs >Jungle Warfare (Zero-G) ultra-fast loops and samples >Killer Bites (Quebec Inc.) >Loops for Acid Signals II (INS) >Maximum Impact Alternative (DSM Digital Productions) >Megaton Bomb (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs >Methods of Mayhem (Sounds Good) >Mosterpack (Masterbits) 8 CDs! >Neftali’s Street Ghetto Series (Santiago Productions) >Paul Kodish Dangerous Drums (Keyfax) >Represtin’ Hip Hop (On Point Productions) >Simon Harris for Your Ears Only (Music of Life) >Skinned (Zero-G) comprehensive samples from the >private archives of Skinny Puppy >Skinny Puppy Soundisc (Zero-G) 2 CDs Skinny Puppy >loops audio, .wav, .trk files >Sound Palette Hip Hop (Big Fish Audio) >Sound Palette Techno (Big Fish Audio) >Techno Toolbox (East West) >Technophobia! (East West) >Tekno/Industrial (East West) >The Bomb Reggae Loops (East West) >The Drum Machine Sampling CD (3D Sounds) >The Essential Sample Collection (Discovery Firm) a >“best of” >Travelogue 1 Africa (e-Lab) >Twiddly Bits Vol. 7 Programmer’s Tool Kit (Keyfax) >Twiddly Bits Vol. 8 MIDI Breakbeats (Keyfax) >Unique Sounds (Future Music) elements from stars like >Autechre >Voltage (Big Fish Audio) >West Coast Funk Stew (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs >X tortion (e-Lab) 2 CDs > > >===== >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >|e|a|r|a|c|h|e| >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >earache@rocketmail.com >enofsinger@high-voltage.com >http://www.high-voltage.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 23:36:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09995; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:35:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:35:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000704033448.2692.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Earache Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Oberheim might work. I can let you know around the 5th. Cool? I'd trade in a heartbeat for any of the following: Roland MC-505, SP-808, DJ-70 MkII, JP-8000, Korg Prophecy, Quasimidi Sirius, Yamaha SU700, Akai MPC2000, or Ensoniq ASRX Pro. But I'd certainly consider other stuff (I've got some pretty interesting offers so far i.e. computers and olympic racing bikes) Cash wise, I was hoping for $900 to $1000. This is still a bargain, as I paid $100 each for most of these CDs. Still intersted? Eric PS a lot of folks have asked about individual CDs and depending on what the offers look like by the 5th, I might do that. Dunno yet. If you'd like I can keep you in the loop. --- Sean Vance wrote: > nice collection :) i have a few things to trade such > as > > TC electronics 2290 delay (i have a few of these) > oberhiem ob8 analog synth > akai s1000 > zeta sympte box > e2 sampler and library > > let me know if u like ne thine > I'm from british colombia canada but we might be > able to work somthing out? > > sean vance > > > >From: Earache > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio > & Acid Loops > >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > >These are original CDs not copies. They are all in > >perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or > trade > >for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 MkII, > or > >Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would > still > >be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs I > >paid $100 each. > > > >Make an offer. > >Will trade for gear + or – cash if you’re somewhere > in > >the Rockford / Chicago / burbs area. > > > >Analog Grooves (Big Fish Audio) > >Brotherhood (Self Reliance Productions) > >Chemical Big Beats (Steinberg) 3 CDs > >Cold Fusion Technologic (Steinberg) 3 CDs > >Creative Sounds (Prosonus) sound effect .wavs > >Dance Music Programming Secrets (Prentice Hall) CD > >Dance/Industrial (East West) 2 CDs > >Dance/Industrial II (East West) 2 CDs > >D-Day Megaton Bomb 2 (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > >Drum and Bass X-citers (Steinberg) 3 CDs > >Drum Loops Vol. 1 (Big Fish Audio) > >Drum Loops Vol. 2 (Big Fish Audio) > >Electro Age (Steinberg) 3 CDs > >Global Noize Vol. 1 (Ezion Labolg Productions) > >Groovebox (Best Service) > >Guitar (HitSound) > >Hallelujah World Choirs (Best Service) > >Hard & Loud Techno (Soundscan) > >Haujobb Matrix (Metropolis) electro-industrial > loops > >and samples > >Hip Hop Beats and Treats (Steinberg) 3 CDs > >Jungle Warfare (Zero-G) ultra-fast loops and > samples > >Killer Bites (Quebec Inc.) > >Loops for Acid Signals II (INS) > >Maximum Impact Alternative (DSM Digital > Productions) > >Megaton Bomb (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > >Methods of Mayhem (Sounds Good) > >Mosterpack (Masterbits) 8 CDs! > >Neftali’s Street Ghetto Series (Santiago > Productions) > >Paul Kodish Dangerous Drums (Keyfax) > >Represtin’ Hip Hop (On Point Productions) > >Simon Harris for Your Ears Only (Music of Life) > >Skinned (Zero-G) comprehensive samples from the > >private archives of Skinny Puppy > >Skinny Puppy Soundisc (Zero-G) 2 CDs Skinny Puppy > >loops audio, .wav, .trk files > >Sound Palette Hip Hop (Big Fish Audio) > >Sound Palette Techno (Big Fish Audio) > >Techno Toolbox (East West) > >Technophobia! (East West) > >Tekno/Industrial (East West) > >The Bomb Reggae Loops (East West) > >The Drum Machine Sampling CD (3D Sounds) > >The Essential Sample Collection (Discovery Firm) a > >“best of” > >Travelogue 1 Africa (e-Lab) > >Twiddly Bits Vol. 7 Programmer’s Tool Kit (Keyfax) > >Twiddly Bits Vol. 8 MIDI Breakbeats (Keyfax) > >Unique Sounds (Future Music) elements from stars > like > >Autechre > >Voltage (Big Fish Audio) > >West Coast Funk Stew (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > >X tortion (e-Lab) 2 CDs > > > > > >===== > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >|e|a|r|a|c|h|e| > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >earache@rocketmail.com > >enofsinger@high-voltage.com > >http://www.high-voltage.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > ===== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |e|a|r|a|c|h|e| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ earache@rocketmail.com enofsinger@high-voltage.com http://www.high-voltage.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 3 23:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09981; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:35:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396115AD.C81649AB@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:37:37 +0100 From: jeff foster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: effectron by delta lab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do any of you fine fellows have a copy of a manual for the Effectron 1024? also I could use a few front panel button caps(the rotary ones not the push buttons) any infor on the manual would be greatly appreciated. Thanks , Jeffrey foster From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 01:47:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11275; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 01:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 01:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d201bfe57a$cc58b680$59aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 01:43:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Question: Do all of the CDs have licenses that are transferable? If a company sells you a sample CD, sometimes, like music CDs and software, you own the piece of plastic (the CD) but not the rights to its contents, merely a (restricted?) license to use. Sometimes that restriction allows you to use the samples in a commercial release, sometimes not. And transfering to a third party can be a whole other can of worms. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- >> >From: Earache >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> >Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio >> & Acid Loops >> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) >> > >> >These are original CDs not copies. They are all in >> >perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or >> trade >> >for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 MkII, >> or >> >Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would >> still >> >be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs I >> >paid $100 each. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 02:50:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11711; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000704064807.6041.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Earache Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know. I do not claim to be any sort of expert on sampling legalities (in reality, what I have heard on that has been fairly contradictory). If I'm not making copies but selling the originals, I never used them in any commercially or publicly released music, I'm selling these at a huge loss, the companies have already made $100 per piece of plastic, how is this damaging to anyone other than me? I'm confused. How would that work anyway? By that logic aren't all used CD and video game stores selling illegal music and software? And how would they track that anyway? None of these 72 CDs came with any sort of registration card and the music stores I bought them from over the years were not keeping track of who specifically bought them. Is this more of a threat to eliminate the casual copier? --- Bill Fox wrote: > Question: Do all of the CDs have licenses that are > transferable? If a company > sells you a sample CD, sometimes, like music CDs and > software, you own the piece > of plastic (the CD) but not the rights to its > contents, merely a (restricted?) > license to use. Sometimes that restriction allows > you to use the samples in a > commercial release, sometimes not. And transfering > to a third party can be a > whole other can of worms. > > Cheers, > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space > music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and > 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music > for airplay consideration. > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > > -----Original Message----- > >> >From: Earache > >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> >Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds > Audio > >> & Acid Loops > >> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) > >> > > >> >These are original CDs not copies. They are all > in > >> >perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or > >> trade > >> >for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 > MkII, > >> or > >> >Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would > >> still > >> >be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs > I > >> >paid $100 each. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 05:29:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12594; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 05:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 05:28:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01bfe598$deeb1040$9d6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:17:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i buy them all for 200$ on cd-r:)))) .. but i doubt that you have the will the copy them all... greetz, gregor p.s.: how much would you charge for 1, 2, 5 or 10? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 09:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13808; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801bfe5bb$59512b40$aecd0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: References: <20000703174036.11512.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: R: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:29:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The subject is hot. Nobody exactly knows the legal stuff about sampling and sample cds. But in your list I found a not licensed cd. It's "Unique sounds from the stars" (Future music). I would like to open a discussion about it if there is someone able to explain what really is possible to do with loops and what isn't ( in a released production). Come on loopers lawyers!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Earache To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops > These are original CDs not copies. They are all in > perfect condition. If I could get around $900 or trade > for a cool piece of gear like a MC-505, DJ-70 MkII, or > Prophecy, I'd be satisfied. And somebody would still > be getting quite a bargain, as many of these CDs I > paid $100 each. > > Make an offer. > Will trade for gear + or - cash if you're somewhere in > the Rockford / Chicago / burbs area. > > Analog Grooves (Big Fish Audio) > Brotherhood (Self Reliance Productions) > Chemical Big Beats (Steinberg) 3 CDs > Cold Fusion Technologic (Steinberg) 3 CDs > Creative Sounds (Prosonus) sound effect .wavs > Dance Music Programming Secrets (Prentice Hall) CD > Dance/Industrial (East West) 2 CDs > Dance/Industrial II (East West) 2 CDs > D-Day Megaton Bomb 2 (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > Drum and Bass X-citers (Steinberg) 3 CDs > Drum Loops Vol. 1 (Big Fish Audio) > Drum Loops Vol. 2 (Big Fish Audio) > Electro Age (Steinberg) 3 CDs > Global Noize Vol. 1 (Ezion Labolg Productions) > Groovebox (Best Service) > Guitar (HitSound) > Hallelujah World Choirs (Best Service) > Hard & Loud Techno (Soundscan) > Haujobb Matrix (Metropolis) electro-industrial loops > and samples > Hip Hop Beats and Treats (Steinberg) 3 CDs > Jungle Warfare (Zero-G) ultra-fast loops and samples > Killer Bites (Quebec Inc.) > Loops for Acid Signals II (INS) > Maximum Impact Alternative (DSM Digital Productions) > Megaton Bomb (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > Methods of Mayhem (Sounds Good) > Mosterpack (Masterbits) 8 CDs! > Neftali's Street Ghetto Series (Santiago Productions) > Paul Kodish Dangerous Drums (Keyfax) > Represtin' Hip Hop (On Point Productions) > Simon Harris for Your Ears Only (Music of Life) > Skinned (Zero-G) comprehensive samples from the > private archives of Skinny Puppy > Skinny Puppy Soundisc (Zero-G) 2 CDs Skinny Puppy > loops audio, .wav, .trk files > Sound Palette Hip Hop (Big Fish Audio) > Sound Palette Techno (Big Fish Audio) > Techno Toolbox (East West) > Technophobia! (East West) > Tekno/Industrial (East West) > The Bomb Reggae Loops (East West) > The Drum Machine Sampling CD (3D Sounds) > The Essential Sample Collection (Discovery Firm) a > "best of" > Travelogue 1 Africa (e-Lab) > Twiddly Bits Vol. 7 Programmer's Tool Kit (Keyfax) > Twiddly Bits Vol. 8 MIDI Breakbeats (Keyfax) > Unique Sounds (Future Music) elements from stars like > Autechre > Voltage (Big Fish Audio) > West Coast Funk Stew (Big Fish Audio) 2 CDs > X tortion (e-Lab) 2 CDs > > > ===== > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |e|a|r|a|c|h|e| > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > earache@rocketmail.com > enofsinger@high-voltage.com > http://www.high-voltage.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 10:14:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14322; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3961EFDF.303B452D@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:08:34 -0400 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Edp problems References: <20000703211301.94661.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this one of the new units? George Washington wrote: > Hello Loopers, > My EDP hust went out. It will come on if I tilt it on its side and then die. > As it dies I hear a kind of click or light thud(but dose not sound like a > component is loose) as though a switch is thrown and then it dies.Any one > else have this problem or know who I can send to to get fixed. > Thanks, > Jeremiah > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 12:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15322; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:43:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:43:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:42:31 EDT Subject: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invitation) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, CT-Collective@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com to keep the ball rolling......the CT-PROJECT is finishing up several projects at this point: "philter phrensy" ,"miniatures" , and "ambitative"........to celebrate july 4th i thought it would be fun to kick off a new CT-PROJECT.......an all blues cd.......what greater loop can ya ask for.......here is how we see it happining: 10. 20 contributors each doing a 3.5 min. blues tune (anyway you want to do it) 9. everyone would send us their tune on a CD or CASSETTE .......sorry, no cyber exchanges i.e mp3 or any of that voodoo 8. we will take what you send and make a master on a philips dual well cd machine...........this is all we got so we can not adjust volume, eq. etc...... what you send us will be recorded as is........ 7 tim nelson of CT-PROJECT ( a 4 cd set mind you) CT-FOUND and CT-AKAPELLA is doing the art 6.michael klobuchar will do the duping, assembling and mailing.......each contributor will get 1 copy only..........so we see a 25 cd first run 5. as with all CT-PROJECT CDS, matt davignon of "ribosome music" will distribute the cd to the rest of the universe 4. mp3s of CT-PROJECT "BLUZETTE" will be available on none other than mr. morgan hamilton lang's " loopXchange " www.loopxchange.com 3. this is the only notice of this project on LD that you will see 2. the party will continue at Subscribe: CT-Bluezette-subscribe@egroups.com (all future discussion of this project will take place there) 1. so here we go...........please send us,off list, your name and after getting 20 names the doors will close for this gig..........ill let you know the minute this happens the CT-Project has a main mailing list at..... Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@egroups.com at this time we have about 40 members (all from LD) so please come and join us.......it is about the music after all.......thanks for your time and interest.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 13:21:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15731; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:20:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:20:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:19:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: CT-Collective@egroups.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invitation) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please put my name down for the bluesette project. That ought to be fun. -t On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > to keep the ball rolling......the CT-PROJECT is finishing up several projects > at this point: "philter phrensy" ,"miniatures" , and "ambitative"........to > celebrate july 4th i thought it would be fun to kick off a new > CT-PROJECT.......an all blues cd.......what greater loop can ya ask > for.......here is how we see it happining: > > 10. 20 contributors each doing a 3.5 min. blues tune (anyway you want to do > it) > 9. everyone would send us their tune on a CD or CASSETTE .......sorry, no > cyber exchanges i.e mp3 or any of that voodoo > 8. we will take what you send and make a master on a philips dual well cd > machine...........this is all we got so we can not adjust volume, eq. > etc...... what you send us will be recorded as is........ > 7 tim nelson of CT-PROJECT ( a 4 cd set mind you) CT-FOUND and CT-AKAPELLA > is doing the art > 6.michael klobuchar will do the duping, assembling and mailing.......each > contributor will get 1 copy only..........so we see a 25 cd first run > 5. as with all CT-PROJECT CDS, matt davignon of "ribosome music" will > distribute the cd to the rest of the universe > 4. mp3s of CT-PROJECT "BLUZETTE" will be available on none other than mr. > morgan hamilton lang's " loopXchange " www.loopxchange.com > 3. this is the only notice of this project on LD that you will see > 2. the party will continue at Subscribe: CT-Bluezette-subscribe@egroups.com > (all future discussion of this project will take place there) > 1. so here we go...........please send us,off list, your name and after > getting 20 names the doors will close for this gig..........ill let you know > the minute this happens > > the CT-Project has a main mailing list at..... Subscribe: > CT-Collective-subscribe@egroups.com at this time we have about 40 > members (all from LD) so please come and join us.......it is about the music > after all.......thanks for your time and interest.........michael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 0% Introductory APR! > Instant Approval! > Aria Visa - get yours today. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6035/2/_/700719/_/962728994/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com > Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 14:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16704; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000704181516.21664.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Earache Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cash wise, I was hoping for $900 to $1000 for the collection. This is still a bargain, as I paid $100 each for most of these CDs. A lot of folks have asked about individual CDs and depending on what the offers look like by the 5th, I might do that. Dunno yet. If you'd like I can keep you in the loop. Still intersted? Eric PS I'd trade in a heartbeat for any of the following: Roland MC-505, SP-808, DJ-70 MkII, JP-8000, Korg Prophecy, Quasimidi Sirius, Yamaha SU700, Akai MPC2000, or Ensoniq ASRX Pro. But I'd certainly consider other stuff (I've got some pretty interesting offers so far i.e. computers and olympic racing bikes) --- Gregor Zavcer wrote: > i buy them all for 200$ on cd-r:)))) > ... but i doubt that you have the will the copy them > all... > > greetz, > > gregor > > p.s.: how much would you charge for 1, 2, 5 or 10? > ===== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |e|a|r|a|c|h|e| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ earache@rocketmail.com enofsinger@high-voltage.com http://www.high-voltage.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 15:21:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17411; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:17:11 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Edp problems In-reply-to: <20000703211301.94661.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:13 PM -0700 7/3/00, George Washington wrote: >Hello Loopers, >My EDP hust went out. It will come on if I tilt it on its side and then die. >As it dies I hear a kind of click or light thud(but dose not sound like a >component is loose) as though a switch is thrown and then it dies.Any one >else have this problem or know who I can send to to get fixed. >Thanks, >Jeremiah Gibson has a customer service and repair department for the echoplex. they are very helpful. Contact Shane Radtke , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. He's a nice guy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 4 23:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20871; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:00:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801bfe62b$da78df40$be6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: [CT-Collective] CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invitation) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 04:47:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com y0, i'd join also if it's possible.. don't have any blues recorded yet. when's the deadline and can it be electronic blues? greetz, gregor >Please put my name down for the bluesette project. >That ought to be fun. > >-t > > > >On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> to keep the ball rolling......the CT-PROJECT is finishing up several projects >> at this point: "philter phrensy" ,"miniatures" , and "ambitative"........to >> celebrate july 4th i thought it would be fun to kick off a new >> CT-PROJECT.......an all blues cd.......what greater loop can ya ask >> for.......here is how we see it happining: >> >> 10. 20 contributors each doing a 3.5 min. blues tune (anyway you want to do >> it) >> 9. everyone would send us their tune on a CD or CASSETTE .......sorry, no >> cyber exchanges i.e mp3 or any of that voodoo >> 8. we will take what you send and make a master on a philips dual well cd >> machine...........this is all we got so we can not adjust volume, eq. >> etc...... what you send us will be recorded as is........ >> 7 tim nelson of CT-PROJECT ( a 4 cd set mind you) CT-FOUND and CT-AKAPELLA >> is doing the art >> 6.michael klobuchar will do the duping, assembling and mailing.......each >> contributor will get 1 copy only..........so we see a 25 cd first run >> 5. as with all CT-PROJECT CDS, matt davignon of "ribosome music" will >> distribute the cd to the rest of the universe >> 4. mp3s of CT-PROJECT "BLUZETTE" will be available on none other than mr. >> morgan hamilton lang's " loopXchange " www.loopxchange.com >> 3. this is the only notice of this project on LD that you will see >> 2. the party will continue at Subscribe: CT-Bluezette-subscribe@egroups.com >> (all future discussion of this project will take place there) >> 1. so here we go...........please send us,off list, your name and after >> getting 20 names the doors will close for this gig..........ill let you know >> the minute this happens >> >> the CT-Project has a main mailing list at..... Subscribe: >> CT-Collective-subscribe@egroups.com at this time we have about 40 >> members (all from LD) so please come and join us.......it is about the music >> after all.......thanks for your time and interest.........michael >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> 0% Introductory APR! >> Instant Approval! >> Aria Visa - get yours today. >> http://click.egroups.com/1/6035/2/_/700719/_/962728994/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Community email addresses: >> Post message: CT-Collective@onelist.com >> Subscribe: CT-Collective-subscribe@onelist.com >> Unsubscribe: CT-Collective-unsubscribe@onelist.com >> List owner: CT-Collective-owner@onelist.com >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Collective >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 04:44:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23028; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 04:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 04:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000705084145.62012.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.186] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:41:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well i made the mistake of sparking up the ob8 and remembered how fat it is. the golden rule is never trade your gear cause you'll miss it :) your collection is tempting though. as per the legalities of sampling my bet is nobody is gonna care unless your making money and if that is the case what do you care if you have to pay the $100 bucks again :} >From: Earache >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops >Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Cash wise, I was hoping for $900 to $1000 for the >collection. This is still a bargain, as I paid $100 >each for most of these CDs. A lot of folks have asked >about individual CDs and depending on what the offers >look like by the 5th, I might do that. Dunno yet. If >you'd like I can keep you in the loop. > >Still intersted? > >Eric > >PS I'd trade in a heartbeat for any of the following: >Roland MC-505, SP-808, DJ-70 MkII, JP-8000, Korg >Prophecy, Quasimidi Sirius, Yamaha SU700, Akai >MPC2000, or Ensoniq ASRX Pro. But I'd certainly >consider other >stuff (I've got some pretty interesting offers so far >i.e. computers and olympic racing bikes) >--- Gregor Zavcer >wrote: > > i buy them all for 200$ on cd-r:)))) > > ... but i doubt that you have the will the copy them > > all... > > > > greetz, > > > > gregor > > > > p.s.: how much would you charge for 1, 2, 5 or 10? > > > > >===== >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >|e|a|r|a|c|h|e| >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >earache@rocketmail.com >enofsinger@high-voltage.com >http://www.high-voltage.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 10:15:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24513; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:13:09 -0700 Subject: EH-16 Reissue From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Didn't I get this same e-mail last year? And the year before... Sigh. TH ******** > From: New Sensor Corporation > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:57:31 -0400 > To: Tiktok > Subject: Re: EH-16 Reissue? > > Travis, > > The 16 Second Delay reissue is in the works currently. We have the > original designers working on the reissue so it should be great. > Unfortunately, there is no set release date, but it certainly won't be > until sometime next year. Check out http://www.ehx.com periodically for > updates. > > Thanks. > > > > At 01:18 AM 7/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >> Whatever happened to the long-promised 16-Second Delay reissue? >> >> Early waiting, >> >> Travis Hartnett >> tiktok@sprintmail.com >> >> >> > New Sensor Corporation > info@newsensor.com > http://www.newsensor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 10:28:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24736; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.65c8446.26949f76@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:25:58 EDT Subject: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <9mW62B.A.-BG.WW0Y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PLEASE contact me nemoguitt@aol.com if you want to join this project, there is no need to crowd the air-waves at LD...........we have 10 more openings, so please join us........so lets all go into our own little corner and get to work.........:)..............thanks and hope we didnt get any LDers upset...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 11:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25271; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01bfe696$12c3fbe0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EH-16 Reissue Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:31:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ...We have the >> original designers working on the reissue so it should be great. Maybe somebody should check them for a pulse... ;) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 12:54:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26244; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:52:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:52:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396365E8.5F237C7D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:44:25 -0400 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex on Auctionsoup References: <20000705084145.62012.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Vortex going to the high bid at http://www.auctionsoup.com Auction ends 7/6 at 6:14PM Item url is http://www.auctionsoup.com/index.cfm?Page=item.cfm&ItemID=422819 Current high bid $176.66 Please visit the site Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 13:58:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27006; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:57:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:57:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000705120845.006a981c@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:08:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Echoplex Problem - Need Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Need some help. I have a Gibson Oberheim Echoplex. I've been experimenting with Next Loop. I want to record loop 1, press Next Loop and immediately begin recording loop 2, etc. I set the looper for 3 loops and Auto Record:ON. But, I record loop 1 and press Next Loop and I do not go to loop 2. It takes another press of Next Loop to get me there. I tried to set SwitchQuant, but I get an OFF message, and two other weird messages. There is no ON message. I tried the other two weird ones, but they didn't do what I'm looking for. Have I missed something? Is the unit defective? Thanks, Michael C. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 14:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27218; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:11:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:11:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39637B5F.1006@hevanet.com.> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:16:00 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem - Need Help References: <3.0.3.32.20000705120845.006a981c@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Clark wrote: > > I tried to set SwitchQuant, but I get an OFF message, and two other weird > messages. There is no ON message. I tried the other two weird ones, but > they didn't do what I'm looking for. > "On" is "cyc" in the display. David ===================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 14:49:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27571; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:43:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:43:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000705132519.00698108@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:25:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem - Need Help In-Reply-To: <39637B5F.1006@hevanet.com.> References: <3.0.3.32.20000705120845.006a981c@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks David! I'll try it again. MC At 11:16 AM 7/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Michael Clark wrote: >> >> I tried to set SwitchQuant, but I get an OFF message, and two other weird >> messages. There is no ON message. I tried the other two weird ones, but >> they didn't do what I'm looking for. >> > > >"On" is "cyc" in the display. > >David > >===================== > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 15:57:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28316; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000705195335.41153.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:53:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey guys, I'll be trying my hands at an experimental/fringe/improv music "open mic" at Kimo's Nightclub tonight. (1351 Polk St. near Pine). The fun starts at 8:00. I'll be using my setup of one CD player & one turntable with 2 DOD Dfx 94 looping pedals. If anyone wants to go, say hi and it will be great to meet. If anyone wants to help me bring my equipment to and from the taxi (2 trips), let me know and I'll buy you a drink when we're there. Matt Davignon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:10:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28655; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:07:21 -0400 To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: NYC: Volectrix, tonight at Unity Gain in NYC... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1249294849==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1249294849==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" our first rooftop gig last night was a smash and I got to meet some NYC loopers too... tonight we're at Unity Gain at Galapagos in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. 70 N 6th st, Williamsburg, Bkln 10pm -2am $5 Unity Gain is a monthly show of live electronic music and live video art... there's a stellar cast including at least two other loopers (who aren't on this list, in fact...) criterion firehorse geoff gersh ikue mori blaat volectrix christina wheeler ylyptyk live mix video tagteam: benton c. vs janene higgins -------- regarding the bunker extreme series: my slots got dramatically curtailed but it looks as if I'll be having at least two and possibly three loop sets... stay tuned! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... --============_-1249294849==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" our first rooftop gig last night was a smash and I got to meet some NYC loopers too... tonight we're at Unity Gain at Galapagos in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. < 70 N 6th st, Williamsburg, Bkln 10pm -2am $5 Unity Gain is a monthly show of live electronic music and live video art... there's a stellar cast including at least two other loopers (who aren't on this list, in fact...) criterion firehorse geoff gersh ikue mori <blaat volectrix christina wheeler ylyptyk live mix video tagteam: benton c. vs janene higgins -------- regarding the bunker extreme series: my slots got dramatically curtailed but it looks as if I'll be having at least two and possibly three loop sets... stay tuned! /t ...electronic a capella madness <......... ...extreme internet radio <... --============_-1249294849==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:13:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28821; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801bfe6bc$f4023a10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good luck , Matt. or Break a leg. or (Just what are us loopers supposed to say? "Good looping"?, "May your loops never stop"?, "Stay glued"? [historical for tape loopers]) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29163; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:30:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701bfe6bf$a0949fa0$ed32dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20000705195335.41153.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Well, I dood it... Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:28:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greets Fellow Loopers, More and more of my work can be found online in MP3 format, at http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman - in the future this will also include loops for general use, but for now it's complete works. Enjoy! Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:42:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29462; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:35:32 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" In-reply-to: <67.65c8446.26949f76@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >PLEASE contact me nemoguitt@aol.com if you want to join this project, >there is no need to crowd the air-waves at LD...........we have 10 more >openings, so please join us........so lets all go into our own little corner >and get to work.........:)..............thanks and hope we didnt get any >LDers upset...........michael why would it be upsetting to discuss a music project on looper's delight? That's what the list is for. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:42:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29460; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:40:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:32:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EH-16 Reissue In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8CEbFC.A.cLH.m05Y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I asked Mike Matthews about it at NAMM in jan, it sounded like they had just tossed out all that they had done up til then and were looking for somebody to start the project over. Didn't sound like they were going to have anything shipping real soon. kim >Didn't I get this same e-mail last year? And the year before... >Sigh. > >TH >******** > > >> From: New Sensor Corporation >> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:57:31 -0400 >> To: Tiktok >> Subject: Re: EH-16 Reissue? >> >> Travis, >> >> The 16 Second Delay reissue is in the works currently. We have the >> original designers working on the reissue so it should be great. >> Unfortunately, there is no set release date, but it certainly won't be >> until sometime next year. Check out http://www.ehx.com periodically for >> updates. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> At 01:18 AM 7/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >>> Whatever happened to the long-promised 16-Second Delay reissue? >>> >>> Early waiting, >>> >>> Travis Hartnett >>> tiktok@sprintmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> New Sensor Corporation >> info@newsensor.com >> http://www.newsensor.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 16:58:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29946; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:49:51 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem - Need Help In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.20000705120845.006a981c@mail.airmail.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4EBM5B.A.ETH.LD6Y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:08 PM -0700 7/5/00, Michael Clark wrote: >Hi, > >Need some help. > >I have a Gibson Oberheim Echoplex. I've been experimenting with Next Loop. > >I want to record loop 1, press Next Loop and immediately begin recording >loop 2, etc. > >I set the looper for 3 loops and Auto Record:ON. But, I record loop 1 and >press Next Loop and I do not go to loop 2. It takes another press of Next >Loop to get me there. that's how it works in the current software. that will likely change in the next software. There is a way to do it with midi though. this is explained in the echoplex FAQ. >I tried to set SwitchQuant, but I get an OFF message, and two other weird >messages. There is no ON message. I tried the other two weird ones, but >they didn't do what I'm looking for. > >Have I missed something? The echoplex FAQ! All of your questions are answered there: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html and a whole section of it just for multiple loops and loop switching: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 17:52:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30707; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:50:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:50:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:48:54 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA30658 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Go man go! Good luck Matt! Is this possibly going to be a regular thing? Always wednesdays? I'd love to come up some time... -Miko >>> mattdavignon@hotmail.com 07/05 12:54 PM >>> Hey guys, I'll be trying my hands at an experimental/fringe/improv music "open mic" at Kimo's Nightclub tonight. (1351 Polk St. near Pine). The fun starts at 8:00. I'll be using my setup of one CD player & one turntable with 2 DOD Dfx 94 looping pedals. If anyone wants to go, say hi and it will be great to meet. If anyone wants to help me bring my equipment to and from the taxi (2 trips), let me know and I'll buy you a drink when we're there. Matt Davignon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 18:31:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31322; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:30:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004801bfe6bc$f4023a10$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:34:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Good luck , Matt. or Break a leg. or (Just what are us loopers supposed to >say? "Good looping"?, "May your loops never stop"?, "Stay glued"? [historical >for tape loopers]) my wife is a modern dance choreographer, and the stage term for dancers seems to be 'Merde'. I couldn't understand why they were saying 'shit' to each other in French, until she pointed out how improper 'Break a Leg' would be to a dancer, especially considering how superstitious them theatre kinda folks are... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 18:40:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31566; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:39:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:39:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000705223842.63642.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:38:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think "Break the same leg over and over again" would do fine. Thanks! >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: I'll be doing an 'open mic' tonight - San Francisco >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:09:40 -0500 > >Good luck , Matt. or Break a leg. or (Just what are us loopers supposed >to >say? "Good looping"?, "May your loops never stop"?, "Stay glued"? >[historical >for tape loopers]) > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 19:14:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31940; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000705163342.0069d658@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:33:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Echoplex Problem - Need Help In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000705120845.006a981c@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4wbJ4B.A.eyH.b77Y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cool! Will take a look. MC At 01:49 PM 7/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:08 PM -0700 7/5/00, Michael Clark wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Need some help. >> >>I have a Gibson Oberheim Echoplex. I've been experimenting with Next Loop. >> >>I want to record loop 1, press Next Loop and immediately begin recording >>loop 2, etc. >> >>I set the looper for 3 loops and Auto Record:ON. But, I record loop 1 and >>press Next Loop and I do not go to loop 2. It takes another press of Next >>Loop to get me there. > >that's how it works in the current software. that will likely change in the >next software. There is a way to do it with midi though. this is explained >in the echoplex FAQ. > > >>I tried to set SwitchQuant, but I get an OFF message, and two other weird >>messages. There is no ON message. I tried the other two weird ones, but >>they didn't do what I'm looking for. >> >>Have I missed something? > >The echoplex FAQ! All of your questions are answered there: > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html > >and a whole section of it just for multiple loops and loop switching: > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ9.html > > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 21:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00952; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.68a7559.269535f1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:08:01 EDT Subject: Re: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/5/00 7:40:19 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << why would it be upsetting to discuss a music project on looper's delight? That's what the list is for. >> kim....you are 100% correct, all i wanted to do was take the "office work" off the list, collecting the names etc....please, discuss away....:)....im just trying to host this party!....no time to talk now, names keep flyin in........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 22:07:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01621; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:11:56 -0700 Subject: Loopers Tools for sale From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3045669116_1745386_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <4XnDK.A.2Y.Im-Y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3045669116_1745386_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit though I am new to this list, I have noticed that there are occasionally posts about gear for sale. I have some equipment I am selling for the studio I work for which might be of direct interest to you loopy people. Please pardon me if a post like this is not proper in this context. Please contact me directly if interested in any of the gear listed below. Vance ------------- Vance Galloway Chief Engineer/Systems Designer Sound Traffic Control - Audio Immersion Environments vanceg@earthlink.net www.soundtraffic.com ----------- ------------------------- Oberheim Echoplex Digital Delay/looper effects box. Completely loaded with memory for THREE MINUTES and EIGHTEEN Seconds of delay/loop time. This unit is also capable of doing multiple loops at the same time! An amazing box. Excellent condition. $600 or best offer. Also: Footpedal controller for Echoplex Digital Delay: Allows quick and easy start/stop of multiple loops and other various control. Excellent condition. Contact Vanceg@earthlink.net ------------------------ Eventide DSP 4000 Effects Processor - Loaded For sale: Eventide DSP 4000 effects processor. Totally loaded with an 80 second sample card and all of the presets including the GTR, Alchemy 101 and Broadcast cards. Digital and analog In/out.. Near perfect condition. Never left studio. An AMAZINGLY flexible and powerful processor. For more info, see: http://www.eventide.com/profaud/harm.htm Asking $3400 or best offer --MS_Mac_OE_3045669116_1745386_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Loopers Tools for sale though I am new to this list, I have noticed that there are occasionally po= sts about gear for sale.  I have some equipment I am selling for the st= udio I work for which might be of direct interest to you loopy people. Pleas= e pardon me if a post like this is not proper in this context.  Please = contact me directly if interested in any of the gear listed below.

Vance


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Vance Galloway
Chief Engineer/Systems Designer
Sound Traffic Control - Audio Immersion Environments
vanceg@earthlink.net
www.soundtraffic.com
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Oberheim Echoplex Digital Delay/looper effects box.  Completely loaded= with memory for THREE MINUTES and EIGHTEEN Seconds of delay/loop time. This= unit is also capable of doing multiple loops at the same time!  An ama= zing box.  Excellent condition.  $600 or best offer.

Also:  Footpedal controller for Echoplex Digital Delay:  Allows q= uick and easy start/stop of multiple loops and other various control.  = Excellent condition.  

Contact Vanceg@earthlink.net
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Eventide DSP 4000 Effects Processor - Loaded

For sale: Eventide DSP 4000 effects processor.  Totally loaded with an= 80 second sample card and all of the presets including the GTR, Alchemy 101= and Broadcast cards. Digital and analog In/out..  Near perfect conditi= on.  Never left studio.  

An AMAZINGLY flexible and powerful processor.  For more info, see: = http://www.eventide.com/profaud/harm.htm

Asking $3400 or best offer
 --MS_Mac_OE_3045669116_1745386_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 22:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02199; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:51:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:51:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301bfe6f5$32f29d40$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <395A5791.BC1A5C97@engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I read about this group on the Stickwire mailing list. I believe the "zither" in question is actually a Chapman Stick. I have at least one buddy who got one just for the ability to play something on it with one hand while tweaking knobs with the other. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: waterphones and other cool instruments > Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue > Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a > 3-piece with a zither playing getting some great sounds and quite > possibly using looping also. It looked like it was split into chordal > and lead zones. It was dark and the band was hard to see, but it > appeared that the zither player was setting up chordal-type sustaining > sounds on one zone of the instrument and playing lead-type stuff on a > different zone. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 23:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02453; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012101bfe6f6$6e1e8360$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <395A5791.BC1A5C97@engin.umich.edu> <00f301bfe6f5$32f29d40$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, it IS a zither, at least in the Boston production. The band is a 3-piece- Stick, zither, and drums. If I remember the notes in the program right, it's actually some sort of home-grown thing one of the guys came up with. I wonder how they audition people on it? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: pvallad1 To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments > I read about this group on the Stickwire mailing list. I believe the "zither" > in question is actually a Chapman Stick. I have at least one buddy who got > one just for the ability to play something on it with one hand while tweaking > knobs with the other. > > Paolo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy Clark" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:53 PM > Subject: waterphones and other cool instruments > > > > Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue > > Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a > > 3-piece with a zither playing getting some great sounds and quite > > possibly using looping also. It looked like it was split into chordal > > and lead zones. It was dark and the band was hard to see, but it > > appeared that the zither player was setting up chordal-type sustaining > > sounds on one zone of the instrument and playing lead-type stuff on a > > different zone. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 5 23:05:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02625; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments In-Reply-To: <00f301bfe6f5$32f29d40$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At least during 1998-1999, Tom Shad was playing Chapman Stick with the NYC Blue Man Group. I haven't corresponded with him recently, and don't know if there's also a zither involved, but there was a Stick in NYC. :) regards, Steve Burnett On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, pvallad1 wrote: > I read about this group on the Stickwire mailing list. I believe the "zither" > in question is actually a Chapman Stick. I have at least one buddy who got > one just for the ability to play something on it with one hand while tweaking > knobs with the other. > > Paolo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy Clark" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:53 PM > Subject: waterphones and other cool instruments > > > > Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue > > Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a > > 3-piece with a zither playing getting some great sounds and quite > > possibly using looping also. It looked like it was split into chordal > > and lead zones. It was dark and the band was hard to see, but it > > appeared that the zither player was setting up chordal-type sustaining > > sounds on one zone of the instrument and playing lead-type stuff on a > > different zone. > > > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 06:23:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08017; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:22:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:22:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501bfe734$9b056180$d3324ed1@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20000705195335.41153.qmail@hotmail.com> <002701bfe6bf$a0949fa0$ed32dacf@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: Well, I dood it... Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:26:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Add me to the mp3 pageholders guild - new page @ http://www.mp3.com/ulcerate. Hear what happens when a young lad has too much time on his hands, and an EBOW! Those who can spare the time, please take a listen and let me know what you think. Cheers Simon Kean ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen P. Goodman To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:28 AM Subject: Well, I dood it... > Greets Fellow Loopers, > > More and more of my work can be found online in MP3 format, at > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman - in the future this will also include > loops for general use, but for now it's complete works. Enjoy! > > Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 09:03:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10424; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000706130056.22970.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [149.225.57.135] From: "amos elmaliah" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:00:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com subscribe >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #31 >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:49:15 -0500 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message21.txt >> ><< message23.txt >> ><< message25.txt >> ><< message27.txt >> ><< message29.txt >> ><< message31.txt >> ><< message33.txt >> ><< message35.txt >> ><< message37.txt >> ><< message39.txt >> ><< message41.txt >> ><< message43.txt >> ><< message45.txt >> ><< message47.txt >> ><< message49.txt >> ><< message51.txt >> ><< message53.txt >> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 11:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11807; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.82eb66e.2695f966@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:01:58 EDT Subject: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invite still open) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com there are still several slots open for our blues cd project.....we have what looks to be an interesting group of folk so far.....stop thinking about it, commit and go down in history.....put your music where your mouth is or something like that!.....im sure that all of us, from guitar players to d.j.s, have a spin on the blues.....please keep in mind that not everyone has access to the mp3 thing therefore this is a great way to get your music heard.....just drop us a line nemoguitt@aol.com and we will fix you up....thanks........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 13:39:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13185; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3964C415.5D1E3B45@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:38:34 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:OT salutations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rich wrote: > >Good luck , Matt. or Break a leg. or (Just what are us loopers supposed to > >say? "Good looping"?, "May your loops never stop"?, "Stay glued"? [historical > >for tape loopers]) > > my wife is a modern dance choreographer, and the stage term for dancers > seems to be 'Merde'. I couldn't understand why they were saying 'shit' to > each other in French, until she pointed out how improper 'Break a Leg' > would be to a dancer, especially considering how superstitious them theatre > kinda folks are... > > rich funny. my brother (who lives outside of oslo) tells me the phrase for good luck among norwegian fishermen is "shit fisken", i.e. shitty fishing. i guess it's meant to not offend the sea gods... lance g. so, matt, shit fisken (i know, it sounds like something else!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 15:25:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14358; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000706192038.92493.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invite still open) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:20:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An additional note - I don't think Michael was intending to be too strict on what is blues and what is not. This CD will probably be more interesting if some of the contributors are folks who are willing to try/experiment with the blues form even if they don't use it regularly. I mean, we're posting it on a Looper's site, aren't we? I guess the question is, "How would YOU do blues"? sincerely, Matt Davignon, who thinks these CT projects are the greatest thing since sliced ham. >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invite still open) >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:01:58 EDT > >there are still several slots open for our blues cd project.....we have >what >looks to be an interesting group of folk so far.....stop thinking about it, >commit and go down in history.....put your music where your mouth is or >something like that!.....im sure that all of us, from guitar players to >d.j.s, have a spin on the blues.....please keep in mind that not everyone >has >access to the mp3 thing therefore this is a great way to get your music >heard.....just drop us a line nemoguitt@aol.com and we will fix you >up....thanks........michael > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 19:01:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17758; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:57:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Well, I dood it... Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:57:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003501bfe734$9b056180$d3324ed1@music> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.mp3.com/atmospherica From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 19:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18094; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:22:56 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invite still open) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA18039 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> mattdavignon@hotmail.com 07/06 12:21 PM >>> > An additional note - I don't think Michael was intending to be too strict on what is blues and what is not. This CD will probably be more interesting if some of the contributors are folks who are willing to try/experiment with the blues form even if they don't use it regularly. I mean, we're posting it on a Looper's site, aren't we? I guess the question is, "How would YOU do blues"? If you've ever had the mojo visit you for even a moment, you qualify... (as long and you are actually fond of..... mojo). Play on brother! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 19:48:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18435; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:43:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000706234240.16518.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" (invite still open) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I can send a cd, if you aren't too strict on defining blues. Tell me how you distribute or sell this music? bret --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > there are still several slots open for our blues cd project.....we > have what > looks to be an interesting group of folk so far.....stop thinking > about it, > commit and go down in history.....put your music where your mouth is > or > something like that!.....im sure that all of us, from guitar players > to > d.j.s, have a spin on the blues.....please keep in mind that not > everyone has > access to the mp3 thing therefore this is a great way to get your > music > heard.....just drop us a line nemoguitt@aol.com and we will > fix you > up....thanks........michael > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 21:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19464; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101bfe7b3$61522980$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:33:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01BFE791.D9BA4280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BFE791.D9BA4280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design Given Roland's track record, the sort of technology found in the VP9000 = will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at far lower prices. = Probably with far less control allowed to the user as well, but you get = what you pay for. :) I have no problem with keyboards like the Triton. It's still up to the = craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools. I mean, there are people = out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak N Spells and = bending their circuits to transform them into new musical instruments. Paolo How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase = sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter? Super-pricey, but perhaps = kind of unique and novel. Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream = designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, = trendy styles of music. I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love = open-endedness and cultural innovation much more. It was these kinds of = flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards = electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. But the = companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much = of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of = the present. I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these = reasons. People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like = the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 = makes me wish it were more generally useful. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BFE791.D9BA4280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
 
Given Roland's track record, the sort of technology = found in=20 the VP9000 will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at = far lower=20 prices.  Probably with far less control allowed to the user as = well, but=20 you get what you pay for. :)
 
I have no problem with keyboards like the = Triton.  It's=20 still up to the craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools.  I = mean,=20 there are people out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak N = Spells=20 and bending their circuits to transform them into new musical=20 instruments.
 
Paolo
   How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase=20 sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter?  Super-pricey, but = perhaps=20 kind of unique and novel.  Aren't we all sick of the current = mainstream=20 designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, = trendy=20 styles of music.  I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love=20 open-endedness and cultural innovation much more.  It was these = kinds of=20 flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards=20 electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture.  But = the=20 companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much = of our=20 culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of the = present.=20  I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these=20 reasons.
   People also seem to criticize the=20 all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, = but the=20 expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally=20 useful.
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BFE791.D9BA4280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 22:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19765; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:01:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFE77C.8C5DED30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009101bfe7b3$61522980$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFE77C.8C5DED30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sp808, VP9000, and system designI have a VP9000 sitting in its box on my desk. I'll let you guys know what I think, when I've plugged it in. The manual looks like it was made by the same people who wrote the SP-808 manual - not a good sign; I don't speak pidgin english well. bIz -----Original Message----- From: pvallad1 [mailto:pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Given Roland's track record, the sort of technology found in the VP9000 will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at far lower prices. Probably with far less control allowed to the user as well, but you get what you pay for. :) I have no problem with keyboards like the Triton. It's still up to the craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools. I mean, there are people out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak N Spells and bending their circuits to transform them into new musical instruments. Paolo How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter? Super-pricey, but perhaps kind of unique and novel. Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, trendy styles of music. I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cultural innovation much more. It was these kinds of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. But the companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of the present. I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these reasons. People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally useful. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFE77C.8C5DED30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
I have=20 a VP9000 sitting in its box on my desk.
 
I'll=20 let you guys know what I think, when I've plugged it in. =
 
The=20 manual looks like it was made by the same people who wrote the = SP-808=20 manual - not a good sign; I don't speak pidgin english=20 well.
 
bIz
 
-----Original Message-----
From: pvallad1=20 [mailto:pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, = 2000 6:34=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: = sp808,=20 VP9000, and system design

 
Given Roland's track record, the sort of = technology found in=20 the VP9000 will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at = far=20 lower prices.  Probably with far less control allowed to the user = as=20 well, but you get what you pay for. :)
 
I have no problem with keyboards like the = Triton.  It's=20 still up to the craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools.  I = mean,=20 there are people out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak = N Spells=20 and bending their circuits to transform them into new musical=20 instruments.
 
Paolo
   How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase=20 sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter?  Super-pricey, but = perhaps=20 kind of unique and novel.  Aren't we all sick of the current = mainstream=20 designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for = timely,=20 trendy styles of music.  I like dance music and so on a LOT, = but love=20 open-endedness and cultural innovation much more.  It was these = kinds=20 of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards=20 electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. =  But the=20 companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so = much of=20 our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of = the=20 present.  I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for = these=20 reasons.
   People also seem to criticize the=20 all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, = but the=20 expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally=20 useful.
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFE77C.8C5DED30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 6 22:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20350; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.82d76b1.2696995c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:24:28 EDT Subject: CT-PrOjEcT "BLUEZETTE" CLOSED To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <2hXNJC.A.m9E.69TZ5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks to everyone.........we are at 20........we will keep you up-dated on the project........keep the campfires burnin!............"strict" michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 7 04:29:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23772; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201bfe7ee$9845b0c0$6b062cc3@palexander> From: "AVGS Holding Ltd" To: Subject: Re: Please Help ME SU700 Scsi Problems Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFE7F6.F97308E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFE7F6.F97308E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi There I have had my su700 for about 2 months and until just recently i loved = it to bits..... but then i went and bought the AISB1 SCSI option, a = AVA-2904 SCSI card for my PC and a Iomega 250 ZIP(SCSI) Problem is: i have the Iomega 250 ZIP drive working with my PC as in i can saved = samples to it. I have connected the AISB1 SCSI Board to the SU700, which it recognises = "SCSI BOARD FOUND" and all that. But i when i go to import the samples from ZIP to the SU700 it dosent = recognize any other drive than the FDD (Floppy Deadslow Drive). As soon as the SU700 is started up the zip drive seems to churn over as = if its reading/writing/snoring/moaning or something. =20 I think ive got the SCSI ID's right AVA2094ID#7(forced) Su700ID#6 = ZipID#5. Please please help me its but a very expensive little escapade this and = im not very impressed that ive got nothing from it. Many Many thanks to anyone who can help. Peter Alexander ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFE7F6.F97308E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi There
 
I have had my su700 for about 2 months = and until=20 just recently i loved it to bits..... but then i went and bought the = AISB1 SCSI=20 option, a AVA-2904 SCSI card for my PC and a Iomega 250 = ZIP(SCSI)
 
Problem is:
 
i have the Iomega 250 ZIP drive working = with my PC=20 as in i can saved samples to it.
 
I have connected the AISB1 SCSI Board = to the SU700,=20 which it recognises "SCSI BOARD FOUND" and all that.
 
But i when i go to import the = samples from ZIP=20 to the SU700 it dosent recognize any other drive than the = FDD (Floppy=20 Deadslow Drive).
 
As soon as the SU700 is started up the = zip drive=20 seems to churn over as if its reading/writing/snoring/moaning or=20 something.  
 
I think ive got the SCSI ID's right  AVA2094ID#7(forced)  = =20 Su700ID#6 ZipID#5.
 
Please please help me its but a very expensive little escapade this = and im=20 not very impressed that ive got nothing from it.
 
Many Many thanks to anyone who can help.
 
Peter Alexander
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BFE7F6.F97308E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 7 12:26:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27143; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:19:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3965FC41.E55CD46B@gi.intercom.es> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:50:25 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Please Help ME SU700 Scsi Problems References: <002201bfe7ee$9845b0c0$6b062cc3@palexander> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi man! 1st of all, I believe it's a must to tell you I personally own a SU700 and I'm selling it because: a) no SCSI transfer between PC and SU700 b) no Standard MIDI sample dump between SU700 and any device w/ MIDI sample dump capabilities c) no sample trasposition on external MIDI note receive d) no song change w/ sequencer in playback mode (you have to stop it!) e) extrematelly SSLLOOWW read/write operations in floppy/SCSI HDD f) no soft SO upgrades (you've got to get and change the EPROM) g) glitches when changing scenes e) no importing/exporting MIDI files featured f) multiple hangs and consequent loss of work when the unit works in SLAVE mode g) (...surely something more will come to my mind as soon as I send this Email ) 2nd, let's go to the question: You can try connecting the ZIP drive ONLY to the SU700. I've used a SCSI external HDD w/ no problems, and know people who had attached external SCSI ZIP drives, too. think about this setup: PC<-->EXTERNAL ZIP DRIVE<-->SU700 If PC is ON, the SU can't use/see the ZIP drive If PC is OFF, the SU can use/see the ZIP drive Maybe the two SCSI controllers are kicking each other's one ass! hmmm if the ZIP drive is internal you may not be able to connect it to the SU, as I've never seen a SCSI cable which fits at one end with the SU and at the other with a standard internal SCSI device.. If you had two ZIP drives, you could extract and throw-away the floppy drive and mount in it's hole the ZIP one! hope this helps....... Sam > AVGS Holding Ltd wrote: > > Hi There > > I have had my su700 for about 2 months and until just recently i loved > it to bits..... but then i went and bought the AISB1 SCSI option, a > AVA-2904 SCSI card for my PC and a Iomega 250 ZIP(SCSI) > > Problem is: > > i have the Iomega 250 ZIP drive working with my PC as in i can saved > samples to it. > > I have connected the AISB1 SCSI Board to the SU700, which it > recognises "SCSI BOARD FOUND" and all that. > > But i when i go to import the samples from ZIP to the SU700 it > dosent recognize any other drive than the FDD (Floppy Deadslow Drive). > > As soon as the SU700 is started up the zip drive seems to churn over > as if its reading/writing/snoring/moaning or something. > > I think ive got the SCSI ID's right AVA2094ID#7(forced) Su700ID#6 > ZipID#5. > > Please please help me its but a very expensive little escapade this > and im not very impressed that ive got nothing from it. > > Many Many thanks to anyone who can help. > > Peter Alexander From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 7 15:57:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29289; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:50:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:50:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101bfe84c$8dd3f4e0$ad83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: R: Loopers Tools for sale Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:50:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFE85D.4FF4A960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3a-emB.A.LJH.8RjZ5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFE85D.4FF4A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loopers Tools for saleMy offer for the sampling card plus the alchemy = card is of 600 $. Tell me what you think. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFE85D.4FF4A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loopers Tools for sale
My offer for the sampling card plus the = alchemy=20 card is of 600 $.
 
Tell me what you think.
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFE85D.4FF4A960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 7 17:56:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32454; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , , Subject: Re: [CT-Bluezette] CT-BLUEZETTE UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA32402 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's all decided among the group of people involved in the project. CT stands for Chain Tape... which was what we did for the first two projects. The last couple involved mailing dats, md's, cassettes, vhs, cdr etc. to a mastering person... then duping. Final product has been mailed to all participants as well as Kim Flint... and finally Matt Davignon (Ribosome Records) handles further orders and distribution. We hope to grow as far as our achievements allow... -Miko >>> echoplex@yahoo.com 07/07 1:42 PM >>> Sorry to show my ignorance so soon, but would someone explain exactly what a CT project is? I understand we each submit music, but where does it go? Do we just distribute amoungst ourselves, or is it made available for sale to others? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @Backup- Protect and Access your data any time, any where on the net. Try @Backup FREE and receive 300 points from mypoints.com Install now: http://click.egroups.com/1/6346/12/_/_/_/963002581/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Community email addresses: Post message: CT-Bluezette@onelist.com Subscribe: CT-Bluezette-subscribe@onelist.com Unsubscribe: CT-Bluezette-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: CT-Bluezette-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/CT-Bluezette From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 7 19:21:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00862; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008801bfe868$a62be2c0$6a6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Please Help ME SU700 Scsi Problems Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:34:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, i have one question, with glitches between changing scenes, what did you exactly mean, because i have no such problems... also the su700 isn't meant for transposing sample (that's why they call it phrase-sampler). i've bought the su700 mainly for the performing purpose, not so much the production purpose (i agree with you on all points). what i also haven't tried yet is, if for example the zip drive in the pc can read the su700 formatted zips. if so then you have to take the longer way around. you first export the sample and save it. then you load the aiff file... i think it should work, if that works with the floppy. also when we were talking about building the zip drive in instead of the floppy, we were talking of building an IDE zip drive (not scsi). i'm don't know a lot about scsi but i think it's logical why it doesn't work (the setup you described) imo in this kind of setup only the su700 can be a master. now i have a question, when you used the su700 with a hdd, how fast was it? is there any difference between the zip and hdd? greetz, gregor >Hi man! > >1st of all, I believe it's a must to tell you I personally own a SU700 >and I'm selling it because: > > a) no SCSI transfer between PC and SU700 > b) no Standard MIDI sample dump between SU700 and any device w/ MIDI >sample dump capabilities > c) no sample trasposition on external MIDI note receive > d) no song change w/ sequencer in playback mode (you have to stop it!) > e) extrematelly SSLLOOWW read/write operations in floppy/SCSI HDD > f) no soft SO upgrades (you've got to get and change the EPROM) > g) glitches when changing scenes > e) no importing/exporting MIDI files featured > f) multiple hangs and consequent loss of work when the unit works in >SLAVE mode > g) (...surely something more will come to my mind as soon as I send >this Email ) > > >2nd, let's go to the question: > >You can try connecting the ZIP drive ONLY to the SU700. I've used a >SCSI external HDD w/ no problems, and know people who had attached >external SCSI ZIP drives, too. > >think about this setup: > PC<-->EXTERNAL ZIP DRIVE<-->SU700 > >If PC is ON, the SU can't use/see the ZIP drive >If PC is OFF, the SU can use/see the ZIP drive > > >Maybe the two SCSI controllers are kicking each other's one ass! > >hmmm if the ZIP drive is internal you may not be able to connect it to >the SU, as I've never seen a SCSI cable which fits at one end with the >SU and at the other with a standard internal SCSI device.. > >If you had two ZIP drives, you could extract and throw-away the floppy >drive and mount in it's hole the ZIP one! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 8 01:36:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04502; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3966BEDF.D604A020@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:40:48 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers In Dallas/FTW References: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9C3CCEF72603DD2AE46A21BA" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------9C3CCEF72603DD2AE46A21BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael, I'm a looper and also make Boomerang Phrase Samplers. However, when it comes to looping, I'm only the star of my living room. I do play in a band where the bass player uses a Rang on most of our tunes. It's an original bluesy, swampy thing called the Rotten Rubber Band. Stymie's bass is a short scale 6 string tuned like a guitar but 1 octave lower. He also sings lead and plays harmonica. Tex, our percussionist, plays a mix of trash cans and "real" instruments. I play guitar, and there is a mad man, Kim Corbet, who plays trombone and melodica. If you look up gear head in the dictionary, there's a picture of Kim. We play at different clubs around town. Kim also has a band called Gouge. They consist of Kim, who adds a synth to his other instruments, an electronic percussionist and a guitarist. They use 2 Rangs and are very interesting. An incredible amount of music comes out of these three guys. They are very avant garde, so have a tough time getting booked. Michael Clark wrote: > Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who > peruse this list? > -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." --------------9C3CCEF72603DD2AE46A21BA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael,
    I'm a looper and also make Boomerang Phrase Samplers. However, when it comes to looping, I'm only the star of my living room. I do play in a band where the bass player uses a Rang on most of our tunes. It's an original bluesy, swampy thing called the Rotten Rubber Band. Stymie's bass is a short scale 6 string tuned like a guitar but 1 octave lower. He also sings lead and plays harmonica. Tex, our percussionist, plays a mix of trash cans and "real" instruments. I play guitar, and there is a mad man, Kim Corbet, who plays trombone and melodica. If you look up gear head in the dictionary, there's a picture of Kim. We play at different clubs around town.
    Kim also has a band called Gouge. They consist of Kim, who adds a synth to his other instruments, an electronic percussionist and a guitarist. They use 2 Rangs and are very interesting. An incredible amount of music comes out of these three guys. They are very avant garde, so have a tough time getting booked.

Michael Clark wrote:

Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who
peruse this list?
 
--
Mike Nelson

Boomerang Musical Products       800-530-4699
PO Box 541595                    214-340-6913, Outside USA
Dallas, TX  75354-1595           214-343-1038, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com    mnelson@dmans.com

"Some products make you sound better;
 the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better."
  --------------9C3CCEF72603DD2AE46A21BA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 8 11:02:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06912; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:00:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:00:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015101bfe8ec$ca21c580$62aa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #172 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed by a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #172 July 6, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on California musician Craig Padilla. The feature CD at Midnight was "Music for the Mind Volume One" which is a D.A.M. CD on MP3.COM. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Sinfonia to Cantata #29 Switched On Boxed Set Highlights (East Side Digital) AirSculpture Fjord Transit Fjord Transit (Neu Harmony) The Ministry of Inside While the Rest of the Live at the ICA (Synkronos) Things World Sleeps The Nightcrawlers Digitalis Traveling Backwards (Manikin) Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum) 12:00 am Craig Padilla State of Mind Music for the Mind Vol 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Star Drive Music for the Mind Vol 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla The Century's Entrance Music for the Mind Vol 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Poseidon Music for the Mind Vol 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Beyond Pt 2/Improv. Music for the Mind Vol 1 (See Peace) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The feature CD at midnight will be "Music for the Mind Volume Two" which is an MP3.COM D.A.M. (Digital Automatic Music) CD. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 8 19:01:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09365; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:59:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:59:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:58:10 EDT Subject: CT-PROJECT "BLUEZETTE" MEMBERS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for what its worth.........these are the members of our little project: miko biffle tim nelson michael klobuchar todd madson laurie hatch david orton gregor zavcer javier miranda mike barman lance glover the electric friends jim carter sean conkling murkie larry m feinstein sean vance andrew bret david talento jon southwood luis angulo larry peterson kevin miller stay tuned...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 8 23:33:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12307; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:31:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:03 EDT Subject: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Resent-Message-ID: <5zIyJ.A.0_C.fH_Z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If some one knows the where abouts of a Lexicon PCM-41, please let me know. I may also be in the market for 2 units. THANX!!!!! Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 03:33:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15722; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200007090732.AAA20282@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:32:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious since I use PCM 42s(19.2 sec. of locked in looping)-what is your plan w/ (2) 41 units?...STANNER ---------- >From: SConner100@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41 >Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2000, 7:30 PM > > If some one knows the where abouts of a Lexicon PCM-41, please let me know. I > may also be in the market for 2 units. > THANX!!!!! > > Later, > Scott > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 08:30:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17000; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:29:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3968700A.87D6F050@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:28:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve Burnett wrote: > > At least during 1998-1999, Tom Shad was playing Chapman Stick with the > NYC Blue Man Group. I haven't corresponded with him recently, and don't > know if there's also a zither involved, but there was a Stick in NYC. :) I know a woman who subs for him. And she plays stick. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 08:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17211; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:45:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000709084825.007bb240@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:48:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments In-Reply-To: <3968700A.87D6F050@virtulink.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4JB3RD.A.ZME.GOHa5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can check out Blue Man Group's instrumentation in detail at This'll bring you to their homepage, but if you click on "About the Music", and then "Band", you'll see that they do in fact use a three-piece consisting of Stick, drums, and yes, zither. There are actually four ensembles now (Boston, New York, Chicago and Las Vegas) and, get this: they are seeking musicians. (Guitarists, bassists, and drummers) Tim At 08:28 AM 7/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >> At least during 1998-1999, Tom Shad was playing Chapman Stick with the >> NYC Blue Man Group. I haven't corresponded with him recently, and don't >> know if there's also a zither involved, but there was a Stick in NYC. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 13:45:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18886; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <105243.375@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:42:09 -0400 From: "Betty L. Broyles" <105243.375@compuserve.com> Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Sender: "Betty L. Broyles" <105243.375@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200007091342_MC2-AB97-7620@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA18843 Resent-Message-ID: <7MI1SD.A.mmE.0mLa5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please remove my address as a recipient of messages from this chat room. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 14:08:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19242; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007091342_MC2-AB97-7620@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL. | -----Original Message----- | From: Betty L. Broyles [mailto:105243.375@compuserve.com] | Sent: Sunday 09 July 2000 10:42 AM | To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops | | | Please remove my address as a recipient of messages from this chat room. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 14:08:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19248; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007091342_MC2-AB97-7620@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <3eVBND.A.NrE.Z8La5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL. | -----Original Message----- | From: Betty L. Broyles [mailto:105243.375@compuserve.com] | Sent: Sunday 09 July 2000 10:42 AM | To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: FS: Huge Sample CD Collection 72 cds Audio & Acid Loops | | | Please remove my address as a recipient of messages from this chat room. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 9 20:10:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21711; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:07:41 EDT Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The manual explains how to hook up two units either in series, parallel, or modified series using a seperate mixer. Using the latter gives you a "tape phasing" effect that is deeper than flanging. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 00:47:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24455; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000709232931.00699340@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:29:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Loopers In Dallas/FTW In-Reply-To: <3966BEDF.D604A020@dmans.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, We've met! A few years ago, I sat in with you and the RRB at the Winedale on Greenville. Would like to hear the band again and I'd like to hear Kim's band. Have been out of the live stuff, for the most part, and working in my home studio on a CD project. Should be completed by the end of the summer. Got an Oberheim Echoplex. REALLY like the looping stuff. It's wonderful. Now I learning how to "play" it. I'm doing sort of ambient, themeish stuff with strong melody and interesting rhythms. Would like to get out and do some of it live. It lends itself to a type of production, rather than a gig type of environment. But, we'll see. Hope we meet soon. I want to get to know some loopers, compare notes and learn. I'm living in Santa Fe for the month and will be back in Dallas early August. Let's stay in touch. Tell Stymie Big Mike said hello! Michael At 12:40 AM 7/8/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Hi Michael, I'm a looper and also make Boomerang Phrase Samplers. However, when it comes to looping, I'm only the star of my living room. I do play in a band where the bass player uses a Rang on most of our tunes. It's an original bluesy, swampy thing called the Rotten Rubber Band. Stymie's bass is a short scale 6 string tuned like a guitar but 1 octave lower. He also sings lead and plays harmonica. Tex, our percussionist, plays a mix of trash cans and "real" instruments. I play guitar, and there is a mad man, Kim Corbet, who plays trombone and melodica. If you look up gear head in the dictionary, there's a picture of Kim. We play at different clubs around town. Kim also has a band called Gouge. They consist of Kim, who adds a synth to his other instruments, an electronic percussionist and a guitarist. They use 2 Rangs and are very interesting. An incredible amount of music comes out of these three guys. They are very avant garde, so have a tough time getting booked. Michael Clark wrote: Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who peruse this list? -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax <http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 08:23:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27245; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:21:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:21:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: David Sheeran To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: unsucribe Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:18:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFEA68.F5CD8B10" Resent-Message-ID: <83Vcm.A.SpG.h-ba5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFEA68.F5CD8B10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 18:32:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01779; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:30:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000710180006.00688384@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:00:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Delta Lab's Echotron Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-4AFRD.A.lZ.55ka5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello! I'm new on the list! And the other day, I saw an Echotron at my music store... Is it a "must buy"?? It's not quite expansive... And since I'm not able to find an EHX 16 sec delay, I thought it can be interesting.... What do you think? It must be better than my digitech digital delay... Well.. Thank you... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 18:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01566; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396A3F54.9059FA71@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:25:41 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hello? References: <4.1.20000629150949.020f94c0@63.227.242.56> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is the looper's list down or have we just run out of crap to talk about? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 20:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03292; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:21:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEA93.4ABDFB80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <009101bfe7b3$61522980$b1eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEA93.4ABDFB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sp808, VP9000, and system designOk, I've spent a couple of days with the VP9000 and I'm thoroughly unimpressed. Basicly, it's a sampler combined with recycle, and obviously designed for people with >masses< of money to spend, but mysteriously, no access to computers and software solutions. As far as the actual functions you can perform, it's rather limited - pitch and time compansion doesn't get very extreme, and isn't anything you couldn't get from software tools 1/10 of the price. The quality of the sound isn't amazing; no better than you can get with the better software tools, such as Protools or Prosoniq Time Factory. It's better than Acid at pitched instruments and does have this neat function called 'groove', which alters the timing of rhythmic samples from triplets to 2/4 time. It's pretty transparent, but nothing you couldn't do with other tools, if you >ever< needed to. The sound also has that 'tubby' roland feel to it, and voices warble and artifact easily, but not enough to be interesting; no different from any other kind of shifting gets.. It might not be too bad as a live 'rhythm' sample player, but I'd be much happier triggering midi instruments from a laptop or doing all the time shifting before I got on stage, if I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the price for a lot more toy. It's not designed for live playing; no tap tempo, sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick buttoning. The box is a overpriced dog. bIz -----Original Message----- From: pvallad1 [mailto:pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Given Roland's track record, the sort of technology found in the VP9000 will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at far lower prices. Probably with far less control allowed to the user as well, but you get what you pay for. :) I have no problem with keyboards like the Triton. It's still up to the craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools. I mean, there are people out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak N Spells and bending their circuits to transform them into new musical instruments. Paolo How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter? Super-pricey, but perhaps kind of unique and novel. Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, trendy styles of music. I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cultural innovation much more. It was these kinds of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. But the companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of the present. I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these reasons. People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally useful. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEA93.4ABDFB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
Ok,=20 I've spent a couple of days with the VP9000 and I'm thoroughly = unimpressed.=20 Basicly, it's a sampler combined with recycle, and obviously designed = for people=20 with >masses< of money to spend, but mysteriously, no access to = computers=20 and software solutions.
 
As far=20 as the actual functions you can perform, it's rather limited - pitch and = time=20 compansion doesn't get very extreme, and isn't anything you couldn't get = from=20 software tools 1/10 of the price. The quality of the sound isn't = amazing; no=20 better than you can get with the better software tools, such as Protools = or=20 Prosoniq Time Factory.
 
It's=20 better than Acid at pitched instruments and does have this=20 neat function called 'groove', which alters the timing of rhythmic=20 samples from triplets to 2/4 time. It's pretty = transparent, but=20 nothing you couldn't do with other tools, if you >ever< needed=20 to.
 
The=20 sound also has that 'tubby' roland feel to it, and voices warble and = artifact=20 easily, but not enough to be interesting; no different from any other = kind of=20 shifting gets..
 
It=20 might not be too bad as a live 'rhythm' sample player, but I'd be much = happier=20 triggering midi instruments from a laptop or doing all the time = shifting=20 before I got on stage, if I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at = 1/2 the=20 price for a lot more toy. It's not designed for live playing; = no tap tempo,=20 sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick = buttoning.=20 The box is a overpriced=20 dog.
 
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bIz
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: = sp808,=20 VP9000, and system design

 
Given Roland's track record, the sort of = technology found in=20 the VP9000 will probably appear in future Roland/BOSS products at = far=20 lower prices.  Probably with far less control allowed to the user = as=20 well, but you get what you pay for. :)
 
I have no problem with keyboards like the = Triton.  It's=20 still up to the craftsman to make his art, not his/her tools.  I = mean,=20 there are people out there doing crazy things like ripping open Speak = N Spells=20 and bending their circuits to transform them into new musical=20 instruments.
 
Paolo
   How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase=20 sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter?  Super-pricey, but = perhaps=20 kind of unique and novel.  Aren't we all sick of the current = mainstream=20 designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for = timely,=20 trendy styles of music.  I like dance music and so on a LOT, = but love=20 open-endedness and cultural innovation much more.  It was these = kinds=20 of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards=20 electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. =  But the=20 companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so = much of=20 our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of = the=20 present.  I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for = these=20 reasons.
   People also seem to criticize the=20 all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, = but the=20 expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally=20 useful.
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFEA93.4ABDFB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 20:23:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03512; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000711002040.47771.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:20:40 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_G0QyB.A.6z.whma5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's one up on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=378817792 Seems a bit pricey to me (opening bid $495) but I am completely unfamiliar with the unit. Good Luck ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 10 23:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06057; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:17:29 EDT Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Resent-Message-ID: <0EV34B.A.FeB.RHpa5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info. You are right, it is a bit pricey for an opening bid. $400 to $500 seems to be the going rate for these units outside of ebay. Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 11 07:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09351; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301bfeb2d$924f7600$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "lucafeed" To: References: Subject: R: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:41:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BFEB3D.A7729520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BFEB3D.A7729520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system designif I had to loop, and using a regular = sampler at 1/2 the price for a lot more toy. It's not designed for live = playing; no tap tempo, sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't = laid out for quick buttoning. The box is a overpriced dog. =20 This sentence makes me hungry, I am looking for a sampler to use in = this way. I am a guitarist so my intention is to work mainly on guitar loops. After having update my knowledge in samplers I have found that maybe a = Yamaha A-4000 could be the best for me: it has a pc editor (free), it = has a basic sequencer inside and seems to be looper-friendly. Did you ever meet it ? I am curious to know your opinion because it seems you are using = samplers in the same way I would. Thanks, Luca.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BFEB3D.A7729520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
if I=20 had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the price for a lot = more toy.=20 It's not designed for live playing; no tap tempo, sampling and = encoding=20 take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick buttoning. = The=20 box is a overpriced dog.
 
This sentence makes me hungry, I am = looking for a=20 sampler to use in this way.
I am a guitarist so my intention is = to work=20 mainly on guitar loops.
After having update my knowledge in = samplers I=20 have found that maybe a Yamaha A-4000 could be the best for me: = it has a=20 pc editor (free), it has a basic sequencer inside and seems to be=20 looper-friendly.
Did you ever meet it ?
I am curious to know your opinion = because=20 it seems you are using samplers in the same way I=20 would.
 
Thanks, Luca. 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BFEB3D.A7729520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 11 12:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12227; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wanted: Lexicon PCM-41 In-Reply-To: <20000711002040.47771.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com depending on condition, that's about in the ball park - not a steal, not a rip off maybe a tad steep. they rule, imho - but they're "old fi", and if you're really into having digital control of parameters you may not be inclined to it (settings can not be recalled with 100% total accuracy.) smooth as babyshit they are. rbrt On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Peter Underwood wrote: > There's one up on ebay... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=378817792 > > Seems a bit pricey to me (opening bid $495) but I am completely unfamiliar > with the unit. > > Good Luck > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 11 12:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12730; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: bunker:extreme: all-loopers show in NYC's Knitting Factory July 18 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1248790317==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1248790317==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Volectrix is a cappella loops, manipulated through a bevy of effects. blaat uses a looper and delays to process abstracts sounds into carefully patterned noise. anti:clockwise is an indefinable blend of old records, weird noisemakers and other gadgets processed into silliness ("uglient"). extreme NY presents Bunker:Extreme with Volectrix 10pm blaat 11pm anti:clockwise generally Tuesday, July 18 10pm $5 KnitActive Soundstage at The Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St, NY, NY a splendid time is guaranteed for all ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... --============_-1248790317==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Volectrix is a cappella loops, manipulated through a bevy of effects. <blaat uses a looper and delays to process abstracts sounds into carefully patterned noise. anti:clockwise is an indefinable blend of old records, weird noisemakers and other gadgets processed into silliness ("uglient"). < <
extreme NY presents Bunker:Extreme with Volectrix 10pm <blaat 11pm anti:clockwise generally Tuesday, July 18 10pm $5 KnitActive Soundstage at The Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St, NY, NY < a splendid time is guaranteed for all
...electronic a capella madness <......... ...extreme internet radio <... --============_-1248790317==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 11 12:48:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13261; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:45:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gear for sale Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ASR X Sampling drum machine black faced: 450.00 or obo Blacet Modular Rack Mount Synth built from scratch by me includes a ring mod and a dark star chaos: 325.00 Paia Fatman with fine tuning mod: 120.00 I am also open to trades moog prodigy, digital multi trackers, and or live looping gear etc.... Please email me directly at magicicada@mindspring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 11 17:10:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15741; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:10:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFEB41.B6555330" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <004301bfeb2d$924f7600$0f01a8c0@luca> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFEB41.B6555330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sp808, VP9000, and system design Unfortunately, I know of no tool that does the job well. I have an SP-808, and know how to use pretty much all of it, though I must confess I don't get to very often. It has 4 voice polyphony which would be a limitation if I was making all my sound with it, but isn't to bad when you are using it as accompanyment, somewhat clunky interface, but at least it has one. A teensy bit more forethought on Roland's part would have made this machine absolutely killer. Too bad. It's good for playing back >really< long samples - like entire songs, while playing loops and other stuff over the top, impromptu. I have mine set up with long ambient backing tracks, It uses zip disks, which is good and bad; it allows it up to 45 minutes of sample time at 44.1k and 60 at 32 (which sounds very good), but you're using zip disks; not the most reliable of medium. The best part of the zip disks is that you can transfer loops on to them from your pc using a freebie applet that Roland makes. If 45 minutes isn't enough for you, it uses any IDE style drives, or so I've been lead to beleive. The gear whore in me has been lusting after a pair of ORB drives (one to put in the unit, one to put in my PC for sample transfer), which are the only large capacity IDE drives I can seem to find. Does anyone know of any other 3 1/2" IDE removable drives? Not that I think I'll be getting them soon. I've heard a lot of mixed reveiws about the su700, mostly bad, but some good. It combines the now-legendarily slow Yamaha SCSI connection with 'send it back to the factory' level hardware/OS issues. Still, I read reviews at www.sonic-state.com written by people on their third and fourth replacement, so there must be something good to them. Waiting fifteen minutes to load 60 megs of samples isn't my cup of tea though. bIz -----Original Message----- From: lucafeed [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: R: sp808, VP9000, and system design if I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the price for a lot more toy. It's not designed for live playing; no tap tempo, sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick buttoning. The box is a overpriced dog. This sentence makes me hungry, I am looking for a sampler to use in this way. I am a guitarist so my intention is to work mainly on guitar loops. After having update my knowledge in samplers I have found that maybe a Yamaha A-4000 could be the best for me: it has a pc editor (free), it has a basic sequencer inside and seems to be looper-friendly. Did you ever meet it ? I am curious to know your opinion because it seems you are using samplers in the same way I would. Thanks, Luca. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFEB41.B6555330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
 
    Unfortunately, I know of no tool that does = the job=20 well. I have an SP-808, and know how to use = pretty much=20 all of it, though I must confess I don't get to very often. It = has 4 voice=20 polyphony which would be a limitation if I was making all my sound with = it, but=20 isn't to bad when you are using it as accompanyment, somewhat = clunky=20 interface, but at least it has one. A teensy bit more forethought on = Roland's=20 part would have made this machine absolutely killer. Too=20 bad.
 
    It's good for playing back >really< long = samples -=20 like entire songs, while playing loops and other stuff over = the top,=20 impromptu. I have mine set up with long ambient backing tracks,=20  
 
    It uses zip disks, which is good and bad; it = allows it up=20 to 45 minutes of sample time at 44.1k and 60 at 32 (which sounds very = good), but=20 you're using zip disks; not the most reliable of medium. The best part = of the=20 zip disks is that you can transfer loops on to them from your pc using a = freebie=20 applet that Roland makes.
 
    If 45 minutes isn't enough for you, it uses any = IDE style=20 drives, or so I've been lead to beleive. The gear whore in me has = been=20 lusting after a pair of ORB drives (one to put in the unit, one to put = in my PC=20 for sample transfer), which are the only large capacity IDE drives I can = seem to=20 find. Does anyone know of any other 3 1/2" IDE removable drives? Not = that I=20 think I'll be getting them soon.
 
    I've heard a lot of mixed reveiws about the = su700, mostly=20 bad, but some good. It combines the now-legendarily slow Yamaha SCSI = connection=20 with 'send it back to the factory' level hardware/OS issues. Still, I = read=20 reviews at www.sonic-state.com written = by people on their third and fourth replacement, so there must be = something=20 good to them. Waiting fifteen minutes to load 60 megs of samples isn't = my cup of=20 tea though.
 
bIz
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: lucafeed=20 [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:41=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: R: = sp808,=20 VP9000, and system design

if=20 I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the price for a = lot more=20 toy. It's not designed for live playing; no tap = tempo,=20 sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick=20 buttoning. The box is = a overpriced=20 dog.
 
This sentence makes me hungry, I am = looking for=20 a sampler to use in this way.
I am a guitarist so my intention is = to work=20 mainly on guitar loops.
After having update my knowledge in = samplers I=20 have found that maybe a Yamaha A-4000 could be the best for me: = it has=20 a pc editor (free), it has a basic sequencer inside and seems to be=20 looper-friendly.
Did you ever meet it ?
I am curious to know your opinion = because=20 it seems you are using samplers in the same way I=20 would.
 
Thanks, Luca. 
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BFEB41.B6555330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 08:27:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23102; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01bfebfb$19955940$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: References: Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:17:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFEC0B.DCEBCEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFEC0B.DCEBCEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system designOur drummer has been using the sp 202 by = Roland for some time now, and last week he brought it to the rehearsal. = It's much easier to operate than the 808, according to our bassplayer, = who is a real gear head. He used it mainly for pretty long vocal = samples, but also for a few loops, and it worked well. The problem when = they released it was the cost of the memory cards, but now you can buy = those cards at the photoshop at low price. And the sampler itself is = very cheap! I'm going to get one to sample some loops I make with my = DL4. =20 OK, I'd like an EDP and some big sampler, but that costs. And with our = stuff, we're having a lot of fun, and it sounds pretty good as well. We = are a three piece (bassist, drummer - on octopad and using yamaha rx and = the 202 and me on guitar, synths and loops), and when we record = something, I'll be sure too let you know. ---- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan El-Bizri=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:10 PM Subject: RE: sp808, VP9000, and system design =20 Unfortunately, I know of no tool that does the job well. I have an = SP-808, and know how to use pretty much all of it, though I must confess = I don't get to very often. It has 4 voice polyphony which would be a = limitation if I was making all my sound with it, but isn't to bad when = you are using it as accompanyment, somewhat clunky interface, but at = least it has one. A teensy bit more forethought on Roland's part would = have made this machine absolutely killer. Too bad. =20 It's good for playing back >really< long samples - like entire = songs, while playing loops and other stuff over the top, impromptu. I = have mine set up with long ambient backing tracks, =20 =20 It uses zip disks, which is good and bad; it allows it up to 45 = minutes of sample time at 44.1k and 60 at 32 (which sounds very good), = but you're using zip disks; not the most reliable of medium. The best = part of the zip disks is that you can transfer loops on to them from = your pc using a freebie applet that Roland makes. =20 If 45 minutes isn't enough for you, it uses any IDE style drives, = or so I've been lead to beleive. The gear whore in me has been lusting = after a pair of ORB drives (one to put in the unit, one to put in my PC = for sample transfer), which are the only large capacity IDE drives I can = seem to find. Does anyone know of any other 3 1/2" IDE removable drives? = Not that I think I'll be getting them soon. =20 I've heard a lot of mixed reveiws about the su700, mostly bad, but = some good. It combines the now-legendarily slow Yamaha SCSI connection = with 'send it back to the factory' level hardware/OS issues. Still, I = read reviews at www.sonic-state.com written by people on their third and = fourth replacement, so there must be something good to them. Waiting = fifteen minutes to load 60 megs of samples isn't my cup of tea though. =20 bIz =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: lucafeed [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: R: sp808, VP9000, and system design if I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the price for = a lot more toy. It's not designed for live playing; no tap tempo, = sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out for quick = buttoning. The box is a overpriced dog. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFEC0B.DCEBCEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design
Our drummer has been = using the sp=20 202 by Roland for some time now, and last week he brought it to the=20 rehearsal.  It's much easier to operate than the 808, according to = our=20 bassplayer, who is a real gear head.   He used it mainly for = pretty=20 long vocal samples, but also for a few loops, and it worked well.  = The=20 problem when they released it was the cost of the memory cards, but now = you can=20 buy those cards at the photoshop at low price.  And the sampler = itself is=20 very cheap!  I'm going to get one to sample some loops I make with = my=20 DL4. 
OK, I'd like an EDP = and some big=20 sampler, but that costs.  And with our stuff, we're having a lot of = fun,=20 and it sounds pretty good as well.  We are a three piece (bassist, = drummer=20 - on octopad and using yamaha rx and the 202 and me on guitar,=20 synths and loops), = and when we=20 record something, I'll be sure too let you know.
 
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan=20 El-Bizri
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 = 11:10=20 PM
Subject: RE: sp808, VP9000, and = system=20 design

 
    Unfortunately, I know of no tool that does = the job=20 well. I have an SP-808, and know how to use = pretty much=20 all of it, though I must confess I don't get to very often. It = has 4=20 voice polyphony which would be a limitation if I was making all my = sound with=20 it, but isn't to bad when you are using it as accompanyment, = somewhat clunky interface, but at least it has one. A teensy bit more=20 forethought on Roland's part would have made this machine absolutely = killer.=20 Too bad.
 
    It's good for playing back >really< long = samples -=20 like entire songs, while playing loops and other stuff over = the top,=20 impromptu. I have mine set up with long ambient backing tracks,=20  
 
    It uses zip disks, which is good and bad; it = allows it up=20 to 45 minutes of sample time at 44.1k and 60 at 32 (which sounds very = good),=20 but you're using zip disks; not the most reliable of medium. The best = part of=20 the zip disks is that you can transfer loops on to them from your pc = using a=20 freebie applet that Roland makes.
 
    If 45 minutes isn't enough for you, it uses any = IDE style=20 drives, or so I've been lead to beleive. The gear whore in me has = been=20 lusting after a pair of ORB drives (one to put in the unit, one to put = in my=20 PC for sample transfer), which are the only large capacity IDE drives = I can=20 seem to find. Does anyone know of any other 3 1/2" IDE removable = drives? Not=20 that I think I'll be getting them soon.
 
    I've heard a lot of mixed reveiws about the = su700, mostly=20 bad, but some good. It combines the now-legendarily slow Yamaha SCSI=20 connection with 'send it back to the factory' level hardware/OS = issues. Still,=20 I read reviews at www.sonic-state.com written = by people on their third and fourth replacement, so there must be = something good to them. Waiting fifteen minutes to load 60 megs of = samples=20 isn't my cup of tea though.
 
bIz
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: lucafeed=20 [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:41 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: = R: sp808,=20 VP9000, and system design

if I had to loop, and using a regular sampler at 1/2 the = price for=20 a lot more toy. It's not designed for live = playing; no tap=20 tempo, sampling and encoding take time and the UI isn't laid out = for quick=20 buttoning. The box is = a overpriced=20 dog.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BFEC0B.DCEBCEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 11:21:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24784; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:19:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:19:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:21:30 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: where to buy edp To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <00f601bfec14$db0b5fc0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anybody know where they have these in stock? thouroughbred was supposed to get some on monday now they are saying friday i have a feeling this creeping deadline will continue to move From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 12:01:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25504; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000712155729.25339.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: DAT for sale/ Mac question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sony TCD D-7 for $250 firm, no trades. Call me at 504-615-9252. I have an old, Mac Centris 610. Would someone please take the time to tell me if there is any kind of software synth, old Pro Tools rig, even a cool MIDI sequencer that I could run on this tired, old girl? Thanks, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 12:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25865; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000712155729.25339.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:56:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Mac question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have an old, Mac Centris 610. Would someone please >take the time to tell me if there is any kind of >software synth, old Pro Tools rig, even a cool MIDI >sequencer that I could run on this tired, old girl? I believe Doorstop Pro v1.0 works great on those machines... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 12:44:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26356; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DAT for sale/ Mac question In-Reply-To: <20000712155729.25339.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, dan sumner wrote: > I have an old, Mac Centris 610. Would someone please > take the time to tell me if there is any kind of > software synth, old Pro Tools rig, even a cool MIDI > sequencer that I could run on this tired, old girl? > Thanks, > Dan Check out the Harmony Central collection of Mac software at http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac/ and especially http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac/software_synthesizers.html Hope this helps. regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 15:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27974; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:33:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFEC49.8E3307E0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" , "'CT-Collective@onelist.com'" , "'modul-8@egroups.com'" Subject: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:38:07 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone know if there is a software for PC that can do sound morphing ? = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 15:42:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28164; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:40:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41306AC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: request for info about rome Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:38:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy, for our italian members. i'll be playing at the villa celiamontana jazz festival in rome, 24/25 july, with vinny golia. i'll be doing some looping . . . mostly, though, i wanted to see if there were any cool jazz/contemorary classical cd joints or sheet music places that i should know about in rome. thanks, stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 15:48:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28398; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:46:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:46:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396CBC94.75C6373D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:44:36 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mac question(What was deluxe, becomes debris.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What was deluxe, becomes debris. I never questioned loyalty, but this dead end demolishes the dream of an open information superhighway. Metro by Cakewalk (the program was written by Jeremy Sagan, Carl's son and a personal friend of mine) is beta tested on an SE30! It will pretty much run on anything if you've got the RAM. I'm sure if you beef up your Centris's RAM, you can get it going just fine. I used to do multitrack recording on an Mac IIx with 8meg of RAM and a lot of patience. The cool thing is that you can probably get an old nubus audiomedia II card for next to nothing and have a decent little work horse. Good luck! rich wrote: > >I have an old, Mac Centris 610. Would someone please > >take the time to tell me if there is any kind of > >software synth, old Pro Tools rig, even a cool MIDI > >sequencer that I could run on this tired, old girl? > > I believe Doorstop Pro v1.0 works great on those machines... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 17:11:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29382; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:09:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:09:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000712210646.40909.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [129.116.78.131] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear for sale Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:06:46 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5t-NJ.A.TKH.D4Nb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, Would you go 425 ic shipping for fat man and blacet what other modules dose blaket have? >From: magicicada@mindspring.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Gear for sale >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:45:45 -0400 > >ASR X Sampling drum machine black faced: 450.00 or obo > >Blacet Modular Rack Mount Synth built from scratch by me >includes a ring mod and a dark star chaos: 325.00 > >Paia Fatman with fine tuning mod: 120.00 > >I am also open to trades moog prodigy, digital multi trackers, and or live >looping gear etc.... > >Please email me directly at >magicicada@mindspring.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 17:15:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29560; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:11:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Gear for sale Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey lets talk! what is your number? i may do it..have and thing you may want to trade? regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > hello,Would you go 425 ic shipping for fat man and blacet what other modules dose blaket have? >From: magicicada@mindspring.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Gear for sale >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:45:45 -0400 > >ASR X Sampling drum machine black faced: 450.00 or obo > >Blacet Modular Rack Mount Synth built from scratch by me >includes a ring mod and a dark star chaos: 325.00 > >Paia Fatman with fine tuning mod: 120.00 > >I am also open to trades moog prodigy, digital multi trackers, and or live >looping gear etc.... > >Please email me directly at >magicicada@mindspring.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 19:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30722; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396CEB6B.7EFF0718@telus.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:04:27 -0600 From: Jesse Zubot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech PDS 1002 or 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I am looking for a Digitech PDS 1020 - 2scd delay pedal or the PDS 2000 - 8scd delay pedal to by immediately. I have been having a lot of trouble finding these anywhere. If anyone can help me please email me at: jesse_zubot@telus.net THANKS A LOT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 22:27:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32560; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: spring.outbridge.com: nobody set sender to myurick@mail.nexicom.net using -f Message-ID: <963454839.396d27771adbf@webmail.nexicom.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:20:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: myurick@nexicom.net Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc References: <01BFEC49.8E3307E0.mpeters@csi.com> In-Reply-To: <01BFEC49.8E3307E0.mpeters@csi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Outbridge POP 1.1 X-Originating-IP: 142.143.173.210 Resent-Message-ID: <6XYcwB.A.G8H.DgSb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why don\'t you try Sonic Foundry\'s Sound Forge XP. There is a general version & an advanced version. General sell for about $50 CDN and the advanced version sell for something like $450 CDN. I have the general version and it works pretty good for me. You can get both demos @ www.sonicfoundry.com. Give it a try & let me know what you think. good luck, Mike Quoting Michael Peters : > does anyone know if there is a software for PC that can do sound morphing ? = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 12 23:28:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00783; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:22:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:22:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.7e8a4a0.269e8fbb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:21:31 EDT Subject: OT good book alert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <-tcibD.A.kL.cXTb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com neal stephenson's "CRYPTONOMICON"........a whole lot-o-fun.......its summer..........relax.............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 00:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01598; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:23:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:23:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.6733f0e.269e9e04@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:22:28 EDT Subject: Jamman bugs/fixes - problems/repairs ? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, My name is Paul and I have been lurking on this list for a while. I am part of a Tribal ambient duo called Ma Ja Le. We use the Jamman and other looping devices quite extensively for improvisation and song creation. It is vital and central to our sound. My problem is this, we have three Jammen (two with 30 sec upgrades) and all 3 have developed big problems and or just about died. Jamman #1 - This unit has "lost" the delay mode. Every dial setting is now always in loop mode. That is all it will do. How can this be? Jamman #2 - This unit turns all effected sound into static. When bypassed, sound passes in and out clean as a whistle. When not bypassed, all loops and delays come out as garbled static. Jamman #3 - Turning the input dial creates loud glitches into the loop. (this one is probably just needing a new input "pot.") Has anyone experienced similar problems? Are there any known Jamman bugs or fixes? Do I have to send them back to Lexicon? Will they fix them? Can Bob Sellon fix them? I E-mailed him quite a while ago and got no response. Will the new versions he has created fix anything? Has any one tried the new versions yet? Are they a reality? I apologize for all of the questions, but as you can imagine I am desperate to get these units back in top functioning order. Thanks, Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) www.zeromusic.net XJ32@AOL.COM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 00:38:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01923; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:37:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.7873c40.269ea12c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:35:56 EDT Subject: Re: Jamman bugs/fixes - problems/repairs ? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/13/00 3:23:37 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, XJ32@aol.com writes: << we have three Jammen (two with 30 sec upgrades) and all 3 have developed big problems and or just about died. >> paul........i sure cant help, but wow......... i feel for ya!........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 02:40:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03567; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701bfec94$b9eb8c40$5632dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <01BFEC49.8E3307E0.mpeters@csi.com> Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:36:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <535vSD.A.B3.fOWb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Define "sound morphing" as such...? There can be so many ways in which a functional fade can be done with synths as far as I know... but then I'm not up on the nomenclatura... Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! > does anyone know if there is a software for PC that can do sound morphing ? > > > = michael peters > = electronic music & strange attractors > = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 04:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04248; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:30:38 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jamman bugs/fixes - problems/repairs ? In-reply-to: <6d.6733f0e.269e9e04@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:22 PM -0700 7/12/00, XJ32@aol.com wrote: >My problem is this, we have three Jammen (two with 30 sec upgrades) and all 3 >have developed big problems and or just about died. > >Jamman #1 - This unit has "lost" the delay mode. Every dial setting is now >always in loop mode. That is all it will do. How can this be? > >Jamman #2 - This unit turns all effected sound into static. When bypassed, >sound passes in and out clean as a whistle. When not bypassed, all loops and >delays come out as garbled static. > >Jamman #3 - Turning the input dial creates loud glitches into the loop. (this >one is probably just needing a new input "pot.") > >Has anyone experienced similar problems? Are there any known Jamman bugs or >fixes? >Do I have to send them back to Lexicon? Will they fix them? I'm not a jamman owner, but those all sound like hardware problems to me. You should contact Lexicon, I'm quite sure they have a service department that can help you out. (The third one might just be a dirty pot, fixable with the potentiometer cleaner stuff you can get at an electronics shop.) >Can Bob Sellon fix them? I E-mailed him quite a while ago and got no response. He doesn't work at lexicon anymore, I suspect he's not very keen to do hardware repairs like that. good luck, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 04:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04534; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:49:40 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc In-reply-to: <005701bfec94$b9eb8c40$5632dacf@z5k2e6> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01BFEC49.8E3307E0.mpeters@csi.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-0e58D.A.PGB.rMYb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:36 PM -0700 7/12/00, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Define "sound morphing" as such...? There can be so many ways in which a >functional fade can be done with synths as far as I know... but then I'm not >up on the nomenclatura... > "morphing" is not really the same as a fade. When you crossfade from one sound to another, you never really get the sensation of one sound. You still hear two different sounds overlaying each other. (unless they were really similar in the first place and blend very well.) With morphing you hear one unique sound all the way, gradually altering until the first sound has become the second. If you imagine the difference between a fade and a morph in video, it's pretty much the same idea for audio. I suppose there are a few ways to do audio morphing, but one way is usually done by starting with a spectral analysis of each sound to determine the amplitude and frequency of each component it contains. The morphing algorithm then takes each frequency component of one sound and gradually steps it to match up with a frequency component of the other. If the frequencies match in the first place, this just means changing the amplitude of that component from one sound to the other. If not, the frequency has to slide, probably as the amplitude changes as well. As the components are being gradually changed, the spectral representation is resynthesized back into the time domain to be a sound. This way, if you stop in the middle of the morph, you really get a unique sound that is "in between" the two sounds you are morphing. It will sound kind of like both, but not really like either. There's a lot of fun things you can do with that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 06:13:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04975; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401bfecb2$dbb6fe40$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "lucafeed" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41306AC@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: R: request for info about rome Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:28:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <6Bq5m.A.VNB.PWZb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steuart, we are lucky to have Italoop on this ML. I think maybe he will answer you as well. I am sorry, I will be leaving for my holidays in those days. I hope there is going to be another chance for us to meet. Enjoy Rome !!! (and eat well) Ciao Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: request for info about rome > > howdy, > > for our italian members. > > i'll be playing at the villa celiamontana jazz festival in rome, 24/25 july, > with vinny golia. i'll be doing some looping . . . > > mostly, though, i wanted to see if there were any cool jazz/contemorary > classical cd joints or sheet music places that i should know about in rome. > > thanks, > > stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 08:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06280; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:53:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000713125157.85087.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [38.201.95.15] From: "Travis Miller" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digest subscription? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:51:57 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi...I just joined the list. Is it possible to receive the list as a digest? I get enough mail as it is...:p ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 09:16:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06608; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:12:35 EDT Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Both the kawai K5000 additive synth line and the roland jp8080 have a morph function. All the best, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 10:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07531; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396DD527.46E75670@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:41:43 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: another approach to looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understand the emphasis on hardware here, and I use a lot of loops in my solo playing and with my electronic band Mutually Assured Destruction. But with my rock band the Dangerous Shoe, I approach looping in a way I don't remember anyone else discussing here. I play bass guitar with the Shoe, and I play loops rather than using machines. This provides subtle variations as it's almost impossible to play a loop exactly the same all the time (at least it is for me (-8). Syncing up to the rest of the band is easier than trying to get a machine's loop time to match, and it's easier to adjust when the jam mutates. Of course, it does help that we have another bass player to handle the "real" (read: more conventional) bass parts, leaving me free to loop and drone. Does anybody else here play loops rather than machine them? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 10:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07839; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F91328A7@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: another approach to looping Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:59:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unless i misunderstand your post, i think there are quite a few out there who do this either with a single guitar or instruments of choice. If i understand what you're saying, I actually do this with every instrument in my board. I run my looper through an aux, then anything miked (drums -vocals) or any instrument in the board can be looped in a rehearsed fashion or when the groove is right in a jam. To me this is what looping is all about. And the beauty of this approach is no matter how hard you try to duplicate it - you can't, the song will always be new and must evolve. the only negative it usually takes 30- 60 seconds to get parts built depending on the number of players. On stage this can make 30 seconds seek like 12 minutes. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 11:10:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08085; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601bfecdb$e7f0e3a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: another approach to looping Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi John! >Does anybody else here play loops rather than machine them? I'm not quite following you here. When you discuss "playing a loop" vs. "machine a loop" I think you're talking about playing a kind of ostinato pattern? If so, I think my answer is "Yes!" As a drummer [please don't drop the "r" :) ] in a former life, I've found that many soloists wanted me to "loop" behind them. Also, I think we have some Indian musicians here with us. Certainly, some of the traditional accompaniment in classical Indian music could be termed "playing a loop." And some of us (myself included) play the didjeridu. Which is quite "loopy" also. Tell us more about how you approach "playing a loop". Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 11:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08336; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:04:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT good book alert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01a801bfecdb$9c4eb4e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <2f.7e8a4a0.269e8fbb@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this one has been out for a while. i have had it in my (large) stack of books "to be read" for about a year. speaking of books, the best book about music that i have read is kenny werner's "effortless mastery" check it out... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: OT good book alert > neal stephenson's "CRYPTONOMICON"........a whole lot-o-fun.......its > summer..........relax.............michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 12:14:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08848; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396DEA02.6A9DBA6C@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:10:42 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: another approach to looping References: <00e601bfecdb$e7f0e3a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > >Does anybody else here play loops rather than machine them? > > I'm not quite following you here. When you discuss "playing a loop" vs. > "machine a loop" I think you're talking about playing a kind of ostinato > pattern? Yes, ostinato is essentially what I do with the Dangerous Shoe. Our drummer has a tendency to get a little "free" with his variations, so often it becomes my responsibility to keep the downbeat in place. (-8 I often use effects to produce "long" sounds; i.e., sounds that take more than a quarter note to develope and decay, so sometimes I'm only playing on the downbeat. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 12:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09132; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Real Time Sampler Question? Message-ID: <0056910005996633000002L132*@MHS> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:18:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 07/13/00 11:20:11" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA09076 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know : Is there any sampler out there that will play a loop while sampling? That will play back a sequence, be it drum sounds or whatever, while sampling a new sound, and then let you add it to the sequence? Of course my EDP does it but my SP-808 does not and I wish I could find something that does! Does anyone know about the high end samplers like the Akai, E-mu, or Yamaha? Thanks, K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 12:48:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09468; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000713093759.03c68c60@earthlink.net> X-Sender: karenmlee@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:37:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Karen Lee Subject: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com E V O L U T I O N P R O M O T I O N Artist Development Company 2440 Armstrong Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90039 V: 323.953.4600 F: 323.667.9985 www.evolutionpromotion.com _____________________________________________________ For Immediate Release (Los Angeles, 2000) Join "Dreamweaver" Gary Wright for an online chat about his new critically acclaimed cd "Human Love", and his new Record Label venture, Larkio Music Gary Wright, best known for topping the pop charts in the mid-70's with his hits "Love is Alive", "Really Want To Know You" and the infamous "Dreamweaver" which regained hit status in the 90's as the recurring theme song in the movie "Wayne's World", announces his first new cd release in 10 years, "Human Love". 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 12:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09687; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:46:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does the Dreamweaver use a looping device? Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 13:00:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09960; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:57:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:57:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41306B4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: request for info about rome Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:55:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks for your response. any good cd joints to check out when i'm there? i'm looking for some hard-to-find jazz/classical cds of italian composer, etc. thanks, stig -----Original Message----- From: lucafeed [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: R: request for info about rome Steuart, we are lucky to have Italoop on this ML. I think maybe he will answer you as well. I am sorry, I will be leaving for my holidays in those days. I hope there is going to be another chance for us to meet. Enjoy Rome !!! (and eat well) Ciao Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: request for info about rome > > howdy, > > for our italian members. > > i'll be playing at the villa celiamontana jazz festival in rome, 24/25 july, > with vinny golia. i'll be doing some looping . . . > > mostly, though, i wanted to see if there were any cool jazz/contemorary > classical cd joints or sheet music places that i should know about in rome. > > thanks, > > stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 13:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10061; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41306B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: request for info about rome Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:56:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <3MrGlD.A.TbC.1Tfb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, meant to send as personal . . . sheesh. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 13:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10492; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:54:24 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digest subscription? In-reply-to: <20000713125157.85087.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <95Uq3.A.KjC.0efb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:51 AM -0700 7/13/00, Travis Miller wrote: >Hi...I just joined the list. > >Is it possible to receive the list as a digest? I get enough mail as it >is...:p yes, check the list info page for digest instructions: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 13:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10869; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000713103326.03c69200@earthlink.net> X-Sender: karenmlee@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:33:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Karen Lee Subject: RE: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5zz9nC.A.8oC.g7fb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com He does. You can ask him about it during the chat. Please tune in. At 09:46 AM 7/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >Does the Dreamweaver use a looping device? > >Hans Lindauer >Engineer, Music Man R&D >Ernie Ball, Inc. >hans@ernieball.com > > > Regards. KL Evolution Promotion 2440 Armstrong Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90039 tel: 323.953.4600 fax: 323.667.9985 http://www.evolutionpromotion.com/ Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver, is scheduled for an online chat on Monday, July 17th at 6:00pm PST at: http://chat.yahoo.com Be there!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 13:50:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11174; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:47:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:47:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Feeling like the message was spam, I asked directly, and got the answer below. regards, Steve Burnett -- onNow: monokrom, _monokrom_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:34:56 -0400 From: Karen Lee To: Steve Burnett Subject: Re: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat Mr. Wright uses a looping device. Tune in to the chat to ask him. At 12:51 PM 7/13/00 -0400, Steve Burnett wrote: >And Mr. Wright uses looping in his music how such that this needed to be >sent to a maillist on looping techniques? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 14:39:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11828; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000713182616.99820.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.214.12.50] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT-Zendrum for sale....cheap. Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:26:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5dQ9TD.A.53C.lngb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've had this one for about 6 months, it's in perfect condition, it's a very dark red/burgundy color, and only $600.....that's more than half off the price new. Please e-mail me directly (speck45@hotmail.com) or even better, give me a call (206) 579-3070 with any inquiries. I will pay for next day air shipping because I'm just such a nice guy too. If you have no clue what a Zendrum is check it out at www.zendrum.com, or ask one of the Zendrum players on the list (I remember there is a couple of em) and they can tell you how fun it is to play. -Dan Bartell ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 14:55:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12473; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:50:49 -0700 Subject: JamMan HW problems From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <92i0N.A.bAD.4-gb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I seem to remember that the rotary knobs on that series of Lex products were the most common thing to fail, and would cause similar problems. A few years ago I contacted Lex regarding out-of-warranty repairs, and they quoted a flat repair rate of $90-something. You might check with them and see if they've still got a similar policy. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 14:59:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12848; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:58:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:58:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:29:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat (fwd) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:46 AM -0700 7/13/00, Steve Burnett wrote: >Feeling like the message was spam, I asked directly, and got the answer >below. > it's pretty hard to spam LD, since you have to be subscribed to the list in order to post anything. A spammer would never go to that much trouble. So you can usually expect any post here is reasonably legit. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 15:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13103; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFED0E.8A868520.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: AW: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:05:02 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Von: Echophazer@aol.com [SMTP:Echophazer@aol.com] > Both the kawai K5000 additive synth line > and the roland jp8080 have a morph function. no no, I'm not interested in synths morphing or in crossfading samples. What I want is exactly what Kim has described. I've seen and heard it in music from big computer music studios, like IRCAM. There *must* be some software that can do the same thing. The IRCAM software seemed to run on a Mac. I need it for Windows. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 15:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13828; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:39:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396E0C1B.CC4A4574@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:36:11 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mac question(What was deluxe, becomes debris.) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm inclined to disagree with you on this point. I think it's too easy for us to disregard older technology because of it's retail "value." If you're willing to be a "bottom feeder" you'd be surprised what you can do with older technology. I have a friend who bought an audiomedia III nubus card for $50 and he now has a nice little hard disk recording system. Sure, not the fastest, but consider the price. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club was made on a 4 track even though 8 track technology was available. BMI didn't feel the Beatles were worth the extra cash. Mark Sottilaro rich wrote: > Apologies for my initial sarcasm...It's just i'm in the same boat. I've > got a 1st generation power mac (7100/66, 2gig HD, 48mb ram) that COULD be > used as an audio machine, but the thought of dumping cash into it for what > i will get out of it is a depressing thought at best. Think about it, I > have to pull the RAM, because the old chips are taking up all of the slots, > pay for the new stuff, add another hard drive, try to find video ram so i > can run a larger monitor, and the audio card! And i could get a G4 box for > $1600. No wonder we're creating so much debris. I disagree about finding > a nubus audio card for cheap. Either they are extremely hard to find, or > the prices aren't attractive at all, from what i've seen. If anybody has > other experiences, or wants to sell theirs for cheap, let me know! > > Oh, and my mac dealer offered a whopping $50 for trade in. Doesn't that > just make you feel dandy? Lessee, i only paid $2000 for the CPU in '94 > with a 250mb hard drive and 8mb of RAM! ouch... > > rich > > ps. if anybody needs any doorstops, i think we have some 40mb hard drives > around here at work... > > >What was deluxe, becomes debris. I never questioned loyalty, but this > >dead end demolishes the dream of an open information superhighway. > > > >Metro by Cakewalk (the program was written by Jeremy Sagan, Carl's son > >and a personal friend of mine) is beta tested on an SE30! It will > >pretty much run on anything if you've got the RAM. I'm sure if you beef > >up your Centris's RAM, you can get it going just fine. I used to do > >multitrack recording on an Mac IIx with 8meg of RAM and a lot of > >patience. The cool thing is that you can probably get an old nubus > >audiomedia II card for next to nothing and have a decent little work > >horse. > > > >Good luck! > > > >rich wrote: > > > >> >I have an old, Mac Centris 610. Would someone please > >> >take the time to tell me if there is any kind of > >> >software synth, old Pro Tools rig, even a cool MIDI > >> >sequencer that I could run on this tired, old girl? > >> > >> I believe Doorstop Pro v1.0 works great on those machines... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 15:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14352; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000713194855.43846.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Real Time Sampler Question? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:48:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kamlapati, My DOD DFX 94 pedals do that, but they have a max loop length of 4 seconds. That's what I was using with my CD/Record player setup at the Santa Cruz loop thing. Matt Davignon >From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Real Time Sampler Question? >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:18:57 -0500 > >Does anyone know : > >Is there any sampler out there that will play a loop while sampling? That >will play back a sequence, be it drum sounds or whatever, while sampling a >new sound, and then let you add it to the sequence? Of course my EDP does >it but my SP-808 does not and I >wish I could find something that does! Does anyone know about the high end >samplers like the Akai, E-mu, or Yamaha? > >Thanks, >K > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14614; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:03:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:03:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016f01bfed05$085b16f0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: EDP footpedals Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:00:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9ltKP.A.xjD.aBib5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Todd Quincy! I finally got pictures of my EDP footpedal posted. Check out: http://www.worldserver.com/leas/pedal.htm I thought others might be interested so I'm posting this to the whole list. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14993; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017601bfed05$b76f0930$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:05:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <2UQFyB.A.QpD.4Fib5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This answer doesn't fit your Windows criteria, and I don't know what your budget is like, but Kyma is quite proficient at true sound morphing. I suspect that a MAX/MSP combination might also fit your bill except that it's currently Mac only. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:18:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15335; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F91328B0@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: NAMM Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:16:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone going to NAMM? Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, Davitt & Hanser booth 1108-1112 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:32:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15859; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:29:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:29:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop sequencers? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all... I'm new to the list, so I'll give a speck of background. My looping setup consists of a very pretty Line 6 DL4 in my aux loop, grabbing and looping from an ensoniq esq-1, a windows laptop running reality 1.5 something, bass and mics. I have discovered that to properly do what I'm trying to do, I need another looper so I can crossfade between textures... My question is: Is there a (windows) software or (cheap) hardware midi sequencer that can loop midi data in realtime, with undo, tempo change, etc? I think I saw someone doing this with VST once, but VST and Reality do not play nice at all... -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:34:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16074; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396E27FF.C0FBB35D@ulster.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:35:16 -0400 From: Joshua Colow Reply-To: sashjo@ulster.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Tt-YD.A.U5D.Zdib5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Selling Lexicon Jamman with 32 seconds of memory for $475 + shipping. Please e mail me if interested. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 16:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16401; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:36:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop sequencers? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could you tell me more about Reality? thanks Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Hey all... I'm new to the list, so I'll give a speck of background. My looping setup consists of a very pretty Line 6 DL4 in my aux loop, grabbing and looping from an ensoniq esq-1, a windows laptop running reality 1.5 something, bass and mics. I have discovered that to properly do what I'm trying to do, I need another looper so I can crossfade between textures... My question is: Is there a (windows) software or (cheap) hardware midi sequencer that can loop midi data in realtime, with undo, tempo change, etc? I think I saw someone doing this with VST once, but VST and Reality do not play nice at all... -> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 17:25:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17043; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More About Reality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > Could you tell me more about Reality? > thanks Well, arguably I couldn't tell you anything true about reality, since the entirety of what we consider to be 'reality' is information received by our senses, and since we all have infinite subtle differences in our structure and form, I do not perceive the same reality you do. Actually, I use Reality for a whole buttload of things. It's an excellent sampler, as it can use WAV files as tone sources, and it has a very, very, very flexible and pretty easy to deal with architecture. 4 oscillators, 4 filters, 4 LFOs, 4 envelopes. Not a K2000, but it's flawlessly realtime on my 233mmx laptop, and a hell of a lot cheaper. It reads soundfonts too... What sold me on it was the fact that it's not at all picky about sound cards (cough cough, gigasampler) and i've never had latency over 50 ms. As far as VST not playing nicely, it's due to the fact that Reality has its own directX waveout device and windows (stupidly) maps all audio outs to this device when reality is running. This makes very bad things happen... -><- > > Hey all... I'm new to the list, so I'll give a speck of background. My > looping setup consists of a very pretty Line 6 DL4 in my aux loop, > grabbing and looping from an ensoniq esq-1, a windows laptop running > reality 1.5 something, bass and mics. I have discovered that to properly > do what I'm trying to do, I need another looper so I can crossfade > between textures... > > My question is: Is there a (windows) software or (cheap) hardware midi > sequencer that can loop midi data in realtime, with undo, tempo change, > etc? I think I saw someone doing this with VST once, but VST and Reality > do not play nice at all... > > -> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 17:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17829; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:55:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:55:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: EDP FC Switches Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:49:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have specs or a part number for the output pot? I just got my EDP back from a three-month (ouch!) repair, and the pot appears to have been damaged in shipping. I think I'll fix this one myself.... Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. hans@ernieball.com -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP FC Switches For all of you EDP's only : The part number and description for the switches in the foot controller, when ordered from Mouser Electronics http://www.mouser.com is 1OPA005 Red PB Mountain Switch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 18:26:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18294; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01bfed1a$2c4debe0$0d9b4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: another approach to looping Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:32:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis wrote: >Also, I think we have some Indian musicians here with us. Certainly, some of >the traditional accompaniment in classical Indian music could be termed "playing >a loop." And some of us (myself included) play the didjeridu. Which is quite >"loopy" also. Absolutely correct. For instance, the wonderful stringed drone instrument tanpura (aka tamboura, tamboora, etc.) is played by gently brushing the strings with one's fingertips, repeating the same pattern over and over in order to provide the background drone for the voice and/or melodic instrument(s). So in essence it's a manual form of looping. In addition, when Indian musicians play "compositions" (very different than the western sense of the word) the tabla player performs a basic timekeeping pattern called "theka" which is repeated throughout with very slight variations (e.g., occasionally doubling a stroke, or leaving one silent). Again, real-time manual looping. Finally, as a cue to the tabla player to begin soloing, the vocalist or instrumentalist will sing/play the "gat" or "bandish" (composition) over and over which serves to keep time while the drummer does his polyrhythmic magic. One of the most challenging gigs I ever did was a small tour accompanying a great master of the pakhawaj (double-headed barrel drum, much older than tabla) who performed from the solo repertoire. I played the repeated timekeeping melody throughout (sometimes as long as 70 minutes for one piece). It was very heady trying to keep perfect time while he stretched and expanded the tempo and layered all sorts of mathematically contrasting patterns against the basic rhythm. There was also a very experienced young tabla player who would sit onstage with us, just clapping the main beats of each taal (rhythmic cycle). For the majority of the tour he and I would sit there with our jaws drooping in amazement at the astounding rhythmic feats we were hearing from the master drummer, trying our hardest just to keep time. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 19:50:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19077; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: JamMan HW problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1bS88B.A.cpE.GUlb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Tiktok wrote: > I seem to remember that the rotary knobs on that series of Lex products were > the most common thing to fail, and would cause similar problems. A few > years ago I contacted Lex regarding out-of-warranty repairs, and they quoted > a flat repair rate of $90-something. You might check with them and see if > they've still got a similar policy. > > TH > Indeed. A while back I picked up a used Vortex that immediately went screwy on me...symptoms similar (it seems) to the original poster's JamMan problems. Turns out one of the rotary nobs was the culprit. On the up-side, I can say that Lexicon's customer support was absolutely marvelous. After a few emails, I sent the non-functioning unit back to them, got a quick turn around, and since it was still warranteed, the repair was free. Excellent support, excellent product. In my discussions with them, I seem to remember a flat rate for unwarranteed repairs, but I want to say it was somewhat less than the approx. $90 above. I could easily be wrong though. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 21:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20053; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396E692D.4CD3B7A@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:13:17 -0400 From: Dean Gary Thomson Reply-To: binkyt@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-SYMPA (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE-301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where can I find a manual or info using, setting up, etc. a Roland RE-301. Any assistance would be immensely helpful and appreciated. Binky From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 21:42:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20369; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001bfed34$485251e0$cd3d5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Gary Wright, the Dreamweaver online chat (fwd) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:38:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On another list, there was an instance of a spammer joining and spamming with the first post. The list owner has taken to approving the first posting of a new member to prevent that from happening again. But that is just one list - not statistically meaningfull. But the spam did bother the list members. Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint >At 10:46 AM -0700 7/13/00, Steve Burnett wrote: >>Feeling like the message was spam, I asked directly, and got the answer >>below. > >it's pretty hard to spam LD, since you have to be subscribed to the list in >order to post anything. A spammer would never go to that much trouble. So >you can usually expect any post here is reasonably legit. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 13 23:07:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21242; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396E83F6.D83E0B93@home.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:07:34 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc References: <017601bfed05$b76f0930$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last time I looked, the Kyma software was available for Windows. Have they abandoned it? Probably the best bet for being able to do that kind of sound morphing on the PC platform (short of getting a Kyma/Capybara system) would be Csound. Csound isn't for the faint of heart, though. It has a steep learning curve, and many people do find the process of writing ORC and SCO (orchestra and score) files too disconnected from the act of making music to be useful. I personally love Csound, though I haven't used it in a while. For an example of a piece that uses a very simple Csound orchestra (drenched with lots of reverb), check out "Stained Glass I: FLW - IX" at my (woefully out-of-date) mp3.com site: http://www.mp3.com/gamut I am looking forward to getting some loops up there soon, but first I've got a Bluezette to do... Cheers, Jon Southwood "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > This answer doesn't fit your Windows criteria, and I don't know what your budget > is like, but Kyma is quite proficient at true sound morphing. I suspect that a > MAX/MSP combination might also fit your bill except that it's currently Mac > only. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 00:18:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22148; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:17:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000714001047.00a9f810@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:15:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: --OT: Rhodes repair in Boston area-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Boston Loopers: Sorry for the OT post. I'm looking to get an old Fender Rhodes electric piano fixed. Any leads? I think for the most part it's in great shape--the tines all seem to be fine, and everything works beautifully, but some things intermittently. I think it basically just needs some wiring work, like something is shorting out somewhere. Would greatly appreciate any suggestions for reputable repair-folk in the area. Would really like to start looping this thing. Thanks again, peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 03:09:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23374; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:06:42 +0200 Subject: site of a guitarist looper From: Marco To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi people! I want to introduce to you the site of an italian guitarist and in both he plays loop. http://digilander.iol.it/massimofantoni unfortunately the site is only in Italian but there's a MP3 page in which you can listen to some of his things. ciao marco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 06:29:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24670; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01bfee0d$23149440$fa8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <396DD527.46E75670@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: another approach to looping Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:31:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well actually 9 out of 10 of my loops are out of time, pedal notes and drones. I'm a bass player and don't much like playing with guitarist's. I physically combine percussion instruments with my bass. I don't like giving to much away, Cause you have to see it live to appreciate it. but one of the things i do is lay the machine heads of the bass on hi hat cymbals[Gibson headstock so the machine heads are facing down] and while standing up, hitting the cymbals with delay/reverb and so forth. [With one stick in your right hand]. and muting the strings with your left. The cymbals echo through the strings to the pickups and then you may loop, if required. And it's not just a gimmick, I use it musically within the song. Not like some looping i've heard. When i get all the computer shit together i'll send you guys some MP3's. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John McIntyre To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: another approach to looping > I understand the emphasis on hardware here, and I use a lot of loops in > my solo > playing and with my electronic band Mutually Assured Destruction. But > with my > rock band the Dangerous Shoe, I approach looping in a way I don't > remember > anyone else discussing here. I play bass guitar with the Shoe, and I > play loops > rather than using machines. This provides subtle variations as it's > almost impossible > to play a loop exactly the same all the time (at least it is for me > (-8). Syncing up > to the rest of the band is easier than trying to get a machine's loop > time to match, > and it's easier to adjust when the jam mutates. Of course, it does help > that we > have another bass player to handle the "real" (read: more conventional) > bass parts, > leaving me free to loop and drone. > > Does anybody else here play loops rather than machine them? > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 08:34:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25321; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601bfed8e$979c3900$51ad5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #173 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:25:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #173 July 13, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on California musician Craig Padilla. The feature CD at Midnight was "Music for the Mind Volume Two" which is a D.A.M. CD on MP3.COM. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Cyber Zen Sound Engine Wind Without Air Moonscape: How Stones Become Enlightened (N-light-N) Dome DR09 - Remix of Dream Furious (Cursor Club) Fibilini's Tango Navigator The Wrong Type of Snow Northern Consequence (pre- release CD-R) Michael Stearns Ocean Grandeur Spirits of the Voyage (Earth Turtle) Exuviae Awaken Within Echoes in the Emptiness (Green House) Andy Pickford Akira Works II Live at the Derby Guidlhall (Medusa) Steve Roach & Circles & Artifacts * Circles & Artifact (The Vidna Obmana Contemporary Harmonic) 12:00 am Craig Padilla Trance Formation Music for the Mind Vol 2 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Stages Music for the Mind Vol 2 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Echoing Laughter Music for the Mind Vol 2 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Jewels of the Universe Music for the Mind Vol 2 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Trance Music for the Mind Vol 2 (See Peace) James Johnson Entering Twilight * Entering Twilight (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The feature CD at midnight will be "Beyond, Volume One" which is an MP3.COM D.A.M. (Digital Automatic Music) CD. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 09:58:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26152; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396EFA87.2035E75F@gi.intercom.es> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:33:27 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Please Help ME SU700 Scsi Problems References: <008801bfe868$a62be2c0$6a6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: <8nAXCC.A.-XG.lvxb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gregor Zavcer wrote: > i have one question, with glitches between changing scenes, what did you > exactly mean, because i have no such problems... I mean when you change from 2 scenes with different effect setup, it takes 1 to 2 secs the SU to load new algorithms into DSPs of effect processor, and depending on which effects you're using you can hear those glitches. > now i have a question, when you used the su700 with a hdd, how fast was it? > is there any difference between the zip and hdd? when loading it's very SLOW, and when saving, 2*SLOW. I don't know exactly how many bytes/second it handles, but it's very slow.. I have been more than 30 minutes waiting for something to be loaded, and more than 1 hour to save a volume with 12 songs. hope this helps.. bye! Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 10:09:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26620; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d601bfed9c$9a5ed310$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:05:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Last time I looked, the Kyma software was available for Windows. Have >they abandoned it? Oh no. In fact, Symbolic Sound just released a new version, Kyma.5, which runs quite well under Windows (as well as Mac). But since the Capybara hardware accelerator is required, I wouldn't call it a wintel solution. I've never used Csound though I've read quite a bit about it. Good suggestion! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 10:12:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26786; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ef01bfed9d$0d1e6f50$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: another approach to looping Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: cameron > When i get all the computer shit together i'll send you > guys some MP3's. Please do! I'd love to hear this stuff! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 10:40:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27266; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: site of a guitarist looper Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:33:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like a new concept! "He plays loop..." Is this going to be a new trendy phrase? | -----Original Message----- | From: Marco [mailto:superpolpaccio@libero.it] | Sent: Friday 14 July 2000 12:07 AM | To: Looper's Delight | Subject: site of a guitarist looper | | | Hi people! | I want to introduce to you the site of an italian guitarist and | in both he | plays loop. | | http://digilander.iol.it/massimofantoni | | unfortunately the site is only in Italian but there's a MP3 | page in which | you can listen to some of his things. | | ciao | marco | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 10:41:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27346; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:38:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lots of fun. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, interestingly enough one of the new developments in music software technology has been virtual instruments. The idea started with Propellerheads "Rebirth" which emulator three out of production Roland synths for the dance market and the results were definetely impressive. Now things have gone a bit further. Steinberg most notably seems to be one of the ones behind this development. Their cubase audio sequencer allows use of "virtual instruments" that can receive midi commands and have their output show up in the audio mixer and be effected by effects and have the audio printed to disc, etc. Anyway, I download a demo of their virtual PPG v2.x waveterm synth and I install it into my demo version of Cubase to see just how good it is. Well, it just about knocked me on my can for lo and behold a sound that I didn't think I'd ever be triggering was then available to me. It didn't just sound sorta like a PPG, it sounded EXACTLY like it and all of the knobs on the virtual interface were functional (I even could program some sounds). I was freaking out! It even has a little onscreen keyboard for those without midi interfaces (since I got the G4 I need to get a USB interface, my old one won't work and nearly got one last night but the salesguy I was dealing with was such a dweeb I couldn't even describe it: "you don't need to know that, this one is the shit, just buy it okay?" Me: "Bye!" Dude: "Hey! Where ya goin?"> So last night I found I could run FOUR of these at the same time. I then took the output into my vortex for some delay loops. I'm not real familiar with cubase but with this kind of power I may make a big shift towards this DAW and virtual instruments. I was being a big time geek, I had three set up on complementary bass patches with the longest delay and release times I could find and I was looping chimey bell like synth pads over the top of my bass drone. Now, the demo version doesn't let you save anything (well, unless you count using an external recorder!) and every 50 seconds it produces what is supposed to be an annoying beep. But with the looper going the beeps almost sounded like it was part of a composed piece. I guess Steinberg has a virtual drum machine too that's pretty amazing. Check out www.steinberg.net, click on the VST Instruments pulldown menu at the bottom of the page, click on the PPG Wave selection on the next page and download the MP3 there....the tune is done all in the computer with no external instruments. The drums were a revelation too. And as everything was processed in the computer the sound quality was very pristine - no more hobbyist demo sounds I guess. I was more than amazed - it appears that the future may lie in emulating technologies that are either no longer produced or hard to get. I also found there are companies producing virtual Prophet 5's, and now a Virtual B3 organ. Weird. I imagine running this stuff through the VST effects (I'm thinking of pluggo's super long delay for looping) then everything could be done in the digital domain with no loss of sound quality. Re-reading what I've just written reads like an advertisement but I was seriously impressed - check it out. This could really change the way people work. I love hardware gear as much as anyone, but with a real PPG selling for $8,000 at one time, a $200 plug-in makes using sounds that were once unavailable for the average joe much closer to the economic reality some musicians like myself face. Oh, and no slagging on Gary Wright. His intro to "dream weaver" many years ago is what kinda encouraged me that looping drones might be a fun thing. And he even appeared on the cheesy tv show "solid gold" during the 80s with a giant modular synthesizer doing a pop ballad in his post-dream weaver waning success. Glad to see he's coming back. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 11:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27847; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:05:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:05:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:54:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >but with this kind of power I may make a big shift >towards this DAW and virtual instruments. I wanted to thank Todd for the above comments and the other points of interest he brought up. It got me thinking, though... Hard Drive based recording, complex editing, virtual instruments and the like gives unprecedented power to musicians. However, it also gives unprecedented power to crappy musicians to put together some pretty impressive stuff. I know this for a fact, because what i can create on the hard drive blows away what i am capable of producing with my fingers and my instrument. (hopefully i didn't infer that i'm a 'crappy' musician, but then...) Do you feel that if this trend continues that there may be some sort of rebellion or 'backlash' to it? That we may place a much greater value on music that is actually 'played' for us, as it will allow us firsthand to know if the person, or ensemble, actually has any musical merit? The recording industry has used 'tricks' to mask musical inabilities for years, but it seems the game is at a whole new level now. just a thought...go back to work, rich seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 11:21:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28275; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8DA4FAEEC6B7D31180AC0090274E619F883787@EXCHANGE> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Technology and talent Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFEDA6.B5F130A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFEDA6.B5F130A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Rich wrote: >Do you feel that if this trend continues that there may be some sort >of rebellion or 'backlash' to it? That we may place a much greater value on >music that is actually 'played' for us, as it will allow us firsthand to >know if the person, or ensemble, actually has any musical merit? This, I think, is only a big issue among those of us who make music. Sure, nonmusicians may jump all over somebody like Milli Vanilli who turns out to have no actual input into their music, but by and large they take what they hear at face value. This is not necessarily a bad thing--if you like what you hear, then listen and be happy. Just as a good photographer is (among other things) a person who can recognize which out of a roll of shots is the "good one", someone who winds up with very compelling music can be considered an interesting musician, regardless of the process used. This leads me into what is for me a bigger issue: musicians (definitely including myself, I'm sorry to say) playing for musicians. I often have to consciously remind myself to play only what the song requires, as it sometimes feels "too simple to be interesting". I think this may be somewhat less of an issue for the people on this list, who often loop very simple droning bits to get a specific effect, than for most musicians. (OK, that last line is fairly on-topic.) ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFEDA6.B5F130A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Technology and talent

    Rich wrote:

    >Do you feel that if this trend continues that there may = be some sort
    >of = rebellion or 'backlash' to it?  = That we may place a much greater value on
    >music that is actually 'played' for us, as it will = allow us firsthand to
    >know if the person, or ensemble, actually has any = musical merit?

This, I think, is only a big = issue among those of us who make music.  Sure, nonmusicians may = jump all over somebody like Milli Vanilli who turns out to have no = actual input into their music, but by and large they take what they = hear at face value. This is not necessarily a bad thing--if you like = what you hear, then listen and be happy. Just as a good photographer is = (among other things) a person who can recognize which out of a roll of = shots is the "good one", someone who winds up with very = compelling music can be considered an interesting musician, regardless = of the process used.

This leads me into what is = for me a bigger issue: musicians (definitely including myself, I'm = sorry to say) playing for musicians.  I often have to consciously = remind myself to play only what the song requires, as it sometimes = feels "too simple to be interesting".  I think this may = be somewhat less of an issue for the people on this list, who often = loop very simple droning bits to get a specific effect, than for most = musicians. (OK, that last line is fairly on-topic.)







------_=_NextPart_001_01BFEDA6.B5F130A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 11:33:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28536; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01bfeda8$6f89be50$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:30:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd... welcome to the 21st century! If you want some serious computer-based music options check out Reaktor (by Native Instruments). Build your own synths, effects, whatever. I just bought it recently and have already been building my own loop tools in it, for retrospective looping of snippets of live performance. There's a big library of user patches for it which includes an all-in-one Frippertronics patch! cheers, os os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 11:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28721; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:33:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <11.66a7b6f.26a08c91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:32:33 EDT Subject: Re: Lots of fun. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: <-vZ47B.A.l-G.4Kzb5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 07/14/2000 10:05:10 AM Central Daylight Time, rich@nuvision.com writes: > Do you feel that if this trend continues that there may be some sort of > rebellion or 'backlash' to it? That we may place a much greater value on > music that is actually 'played' for us, as it will allow us firsthand to > know if the person, or ensemble, actually has any musical merit? If there would be a 'backlash', it would come from players themselves -- players who spend time working on their own chops. Such players usually have no power to make big commercial projects, and so lack influence. 'Hey, we're sick of people listening to stuff made in Pro-Tools, we're sick of MIDI, we're sick of crappy sequencers! Let's make the next CD with a Strat, some drums, and an SM-58! And Sony Music will just have to take it! And it'll be great! And you know, I want to go back and learn how to spell chords, so I can stick a Lydian Augmented riff over a dominant #11 chord!' If listeners started to value chops over (the opposite... what's the opposite of chops?), then they'd shift their tastes, and non-chops music, i.e., anything that stresses programming over hands-on instrumental skill, would begin to lose popularity. I can't see THAT happening -- most major commercial productions involve big-time programming... I looked at the liner of the last Mariah Carey CD.... countless producers, engineers, button-pushers.... all this framework to stick that voice into, and all calculated specifically to move tonnage. Music that values skills over technology? Some would call that JAZZ. So maybe it's about intent. Intent sometimes is connected with skills (like John McLaughlin, or, well, you know, fill in the blank), sometimes not (like Bob Dylan, or, again, fill in the blank.) And what is musical merit? Short answer: no, I dont see a backlash coming. If you can make a piece of music that is direct from your own self, and finds a target in the listener, then what do you need chops for? On the other hand, my little jazz power trio is finishing our first CD in a tiny studio in a guy's basement, 16-track ADAT, few effects, no sequencers, most basic tracks played live... and we have plenty of musical skills. But it won't matter if we fail to communicate, if we don't say what we mean to say. (And though it is truly a jazz record, there IS a weird-ass loop under one track.) Technology and skills are seperate, and variable elements of successful music. It's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 12:12:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29331; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Lots of fun. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:09:19 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 14/07/2000 17:09:20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Rich:] > it also gives unprecedented power to crappy musicians to > put together some pretty impressive stuff. yes .. and then again, no. It puts the ability to produce material with a professional sound quality within the reach of anyone suitably motivated person. But just as an experienced listener can tell the difference between a good improviser and someone running their scales and modes, some experience with electronic music will separate Autechre from Billy Just-bought-a-computer and his copy of Rebirth. As it used to say in the submission guidelines @ Rephlex: "don't send us a demo if you just got your equipment 2 months ago .. we can tell." > what i can create on the hard drive blows away what i am capable of > producing with my fingersand my instrument. I certainly know this feeling ;-) > That we may place a much greater value on music that is actually 'played' > for us, as it will allow us firsthand to know if the person, or ensemble, > actually has any musical merit? err .. now, what kind of musical merit are we talking about? I'd rather listen to a carefully crafted Aphex Twin track, that may have taken weeks of work and can't be reporduced live, than yet another generic rock/jazz/pop song, no matter how professionally it's played. You can judge the musicians playing from a live gig, but not necessarily their _music_ .. you might as well ask them to prove the relative merits of the music with a fist-fight .. now that would be a multi-media experience. [Roger:] > Just as a good photographer is (among other things) a person who can > recognize which out of a roll of shots is the "good one", someone who winds > up with very compelling music can be considered an interesting musician, > regardless of the process used. Amen Roger .. I like the cut of your jib, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter :-) I'm happy (to some degree) that technology has placed a degree of separation between musicianship, and the ability to play a conventional instrument, if only because it will force people to think about what it is they want from music and musicians .. and why. [Kevin's fictional retro-muso:] > 'And you know, I want to go back and learn how to spell chords, so I can stick > a Lydian Augmented riff over a dominant #11 chord!' '.. and if I try really hard, I can actually get my head all the way up my own ass ! Oh no! I've travelled back in time, and it's 1972 .. ohhh look - dinosaurs' sorry .. but it was the "technical skill = good music" attitude that allowed fusion to disappear to where the sun's not. I think us musicians need to realise that music involves an audience, and they very often don't care _how_ it's done, they only care what you do. At it's very best, a player's technique is transparent, and technology has facilitated this. Maybe it'll just up the bar for everyone. Just $0.02 .. I'm off to see Autechre live week after next, so I'll let you know if my attitude changes after that :-) John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 12:13:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29406; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11.66a7b6f.26a08c91@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:00:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If listeners started to value chops over (the opposite... what's the opposite >of chops?), then they'd shift their tastes, and non-chops music, i.e., >anything that stresses programming over hands-on instrumental skill, would >begin to lose popularity. I can't see THAT happening -- most major >commercial productions involve big-time programming... I looked at the liner >of the last Mariah Carey CD.... countless producers, engineers, >button-pushers.... all this framework to stick that voice into, and all >calculated specifically to move tonnage. > I guess my thoughts were also tied to this evolving Internet music delivery system, which everyone is in a big panic about: Fans of music want it for FREE, the recording industry is wondering where their profits are going to come from, and musicians seem to be split on it. Music created on the computer, distributed by the computer, and listened to on the computer. Samples stolen by the computer to make more music on the computer. (snake eating tail...loop content) In my minds eye, the 'backlash' is possible because we may become weary of all of this technology and production and wish for a more organic experience with the musician. Like someone would rather drive for an hour to see a guy play an oud, rather than spend that hour collecting a shitload of songs off the internet. but then, maybe that's a developing transition in myself and i'm just trying to project it out to the industry as a whole? >Short answer: no, I dont see a backlash coming. If you can make a piece of >music that is direct from your own self, and finds a target in the listener, >then what do you need chops for? wow. that's a headfull. we could chew on that one for days, eh? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 13:16:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30787; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:14:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:14:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Lots of fun. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:13:23 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 14/07/2000 18:13:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Rich:] > Samples stolen by the computer to make more music on > the computer. (snake eating tail...loop content) good point .. they should rename Gnutella 'Ourobros' .. but maybe allowing everyone to make music (and, yes, take samples off others) will bring "music" back as a thing people do, rather than a spectacle that people go to see, or buy off the shelf. Would that be a bad thing? Well, "where would we make our money" might be one good question. Do we have to let go of the idea of getting paid to do something that started off as a storytelling/social function ? Maybe this is another phase like punk, of bringing music back to the people .. but I think this particular change will go much deeper, and be more fundamental. John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 13:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31039; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:23:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:23:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396F4CEC.A93E046B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:09 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lots of fun. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7BjN8B.A.WkH.4x0b5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com McCullaghJ@Logica.com wrote: > [Rich:] > > it also gives unprecedented power to crappy musicians to > > put together some pretty impressive stuff. > > yes .. and then again, no. It puts the ability to produce material with a > professional sound quality within the reach of anyone suitably motivated > person. But just as an experienced listener can tell the difference between > a good improviser and someone running their scales and modes, some > experience with electronic music will separate Autechre from Billy > Just-bought-a-computer and his copy of Rebirth. As it used to say in the > submission guidelines @ Rephlex: "don't send us a demo if you just got your > equipment 2 months ago .. we can tell." > > > what i can create on the hard drive blows away what i am capable of > > producing with my fingersand my instrument. > > I certainly know this feeling ;-) > > > That we may place a much greater value on music that is actually 'played' > > for us, as it will allow us firsthand to know if the person, or ensemble, > > actually has any musical merit? > > err .. now, what kind of musical merit are we talking about? I'd rather > listen to a carefully crafted Aphex Twin track, that may have taken weeks > of work and can't be reporduced live, than yet another generic > rock/jazz/pop song, no matter how professionally it's played. You can judge > the musicians playing from a live gig, but not necessarily their _music_ .. > you might as well ask them to prove the relative merits of the music with a > fist-fight .. now that would be a multi-media experience. > > [Roger:] > > Just as a good photographer is (among other things) a person who can > > recognize which out of a roll of shots is the "good one", someone who > winds > > up with very compelling music can be considered an interesting musician, > > regardless of the process used. > > Amen Roger .. I like the cut of your jib, and wish to subscribe to your > newsletter :-) > I'm happy (to some degree) that technology has placed a degree of > separation between musicianship, and the ability to play a conventional > instrument, if only because it will force people to think about what it is > they want from music and musicians .. and why. > > [Kevin's fictional retro-muso:] > > 'And you know, I want to go back and learn how to spell chords, so I can > stick > > a Lydian Augmented riff over a dominant #11 chord!' > > '.. and if I try really hard, I can actually get my head all the way up my > own ass ! Oh no! I've travelled back in time, and it's 1972 .. ohhh look - > dinosaurs' > > sorry .. but it was the "technical skill = good music" attitude that > allowed fusion to disappear to where the sun's not. > > I think us musicians need to realise that music involves an audience, and > they very often don't care _how_ it's done, they only care what you do. At > it's very best, a player's technique is transparent, and technology has > facilitated this. Maybe it'll just up the bar for everyone. > > Just $0.02 .. > I'm off to see Autechre live week after next, so I'll let you know if my > attitude changes after that :-) > > John sorry to jump in on this glibly, but didn't eno cover this ground for us all quite a while back (not to mention cage, cowell, et al)? if the tools and related skills are different, newer, etc. than those the status quo has deemed acceptable, is it any less musical because of this? i don't think most on this list have difficulties w/ such a notion. as for musical craftsmanship, i absolutely appreciate it, but only as a means to an end, and if the end isn't interesting, i don't care how facile the player is...likewise with technology. just because we can do something is not a reason to do it. witness atomic energy... funny, i was woodshedding a bit last night, and my office mate from across the hall came in this morning and said it had sounded really good...what i didn't tell him was that i'd broken a string on my guitar a few days ago and not bothered to replace it...a whole new world! looping/loping onward lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 15:04:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32579; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 00 15:01:37 -0000 x-sender: nostyle@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "nostyle@interlog.com" To: "Loopers' Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <_zbDZC.A.Y7H.6N2b5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > >good point .. they should rename Gnutella 'Ourobros' .. >but maybe allowing everyone to make music (and, yes, take samples off >others) will bring "music" back as a thing people do, rather than a >spectacle that people go to see, or buy off the shelf. Would that be a bad >thing? Well, "where would we make our money" might be one good question. Do >we have to let go of the idea of getting paid to do something that started >off as a storytelling/social function ? Maybe this is another phase like >punk, of bringing music back to the people .. but I think this particular >change will go much deeper, and be more fundamental. Fascinating ideas! Yes, there is a new 'do it your self' work ethic. I can't but help think that John Cage (amongst others) would approve. Is this the re-defining of 'folk music' so long sought? It does seem to me that the spirit and process of folk is best represented by punk and bedroom musicians, whereas the aesthetic of folk is carried (in a gold plated box) by the folks with guitars making music in the style of...The Weavers or whomever. >>Samples stolen by the computer to make more music on >> the computer. (snake eating tail...loop content) > This is clearly the 'remixing' of culture in general. Cf. Prodigy, jeans with suit jacket, nose rings and tattoos with scaled up baby clothes etc. I do believe that people still want to get out and have an experience. There are social aspects, visual, multi-sensory for that matter. And more importantly, the feeling of having an 'experience' and being part of something. Musicians need to find new ways to create experiences for people. Perhaps the rave is just the tip of a whole new wave of 'happenings'. By the way, there was mention of Autechre earlier. By way of a challenge to what I just said, I must ask: why do people go to their shows? I've never seen them (I'd love to, though), but I understand that there is very deliberately NO visual or 'stage presence' element to their performances whatsoever. My own looping performances have very little to interest the eye (unless you're another looper and ya wanna scope out my gear!). I think that this may be true of many of us. However, I'd love to get something visual happening. And I hate being an ego on stage, so I do understand groups like Autechre. In fact, anonimity is one of the more interesting aspects of this 'electronica' scene. Anyone in Toronto interested??? Regards to all, ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 15:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32584; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:02:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:02:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200007141901.PAA16599@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Planet of the Loops, Toronto 18th July Date: Fri, 14 Jul 00 15:01:42 -0000 x-sender: nostyle@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "nostyle@interlog.com" To: "Loopers' Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA32441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought that some of you might be interested in this. Andrew plays guitar, mainly, and I play...not to sure at the moment...bass? mbira? oud? This is part of The Ambient Ping, a weekly event at Po Boys and Planet of the Loops, a monthly event at same. The Ambient Ping and Planet of the Loops present Ben Grossman and Andrew Aldridge performing music inspired by non-existant ethnic traditions. Discover the happy-sad polyrythmic craggyness of the Flømåx peninsula, the humming, dissonant beat-frequency bliss of the sacred music of Melipolesia...and more!!!! The madness begins at 9:30, 18th of July, 2000 at Po Boys, 159 Augusta (in Kensington Market), Toronto. Hope to see you there! ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 15:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00656; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2E258FEA.6AF05973@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:20:10 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #223 References: <200007141358.JAA26226@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Mike, What are you trying to do exactly. Morphing bird song possibly? I agree with the others on this list Kyma is the best tool for the job. At over 2000 pounds though it's a big investment. Coincidentally I'm thinking of going for it myself. It runs on windows machines too. Csound is a pig to use unless you are numerically inclined. There is a vocoder VST plugin made by prosoniq which reputedly has a morphing function. Apparently you can download a demo. Try it and let us know how you get on. Of course you'd have to run the Prosoniq plugin under Cubase or Audiomulch or something, (does Logic run VST plugins?) These are the dark ages for computer music- you could always hang on for 5 years :) Gareth > > no no, I'm not interested in synths morphing or in crossfading samples. > > What I want is exactly what Kim has described. I've seen and heard it in > music from big computer music studios, like IRCAM. There *must* be some > software that can do the same thing. The IRCAM software seemed to run on a > Mac. I need it for Windows. > > = michael peters > = electronic music & strange attractors > = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 18:16:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03654; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05ed01bfede0$a8972c40$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:12:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers' Delight Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Lots of fun. > I do believe that people still want to get out and have an experience. > There are social aspects, visual, multi-sensory for that matter. And > more importantly, the feeling of having an 'experience' and being part of > something. Musicians need to find new ways to create experiences for > people. Perhaps the rave is just the tip of a whole new wave of One likes to think that there will always be a market for bands like Kiss and Pink Floyd and U2, who put on elaborate Events that are, in some ways, closer to musical theater than anything else. > 'happenings'. By the way, there was mention of Autechre earlier. By way > of a challenge to what I just said, I must ask: why do people go to their > shows? I've never seen them (I'd love to, though), but I understand that > there is very deliberately NO visual or 'stage presence' element to their > performances whatsoever. That idea has always intrigued me. If the band (or DJ, or whatever) came out on stage, with no fanfare, no spotlights, no NOTHING, and just started to play, what effect would that have on an audience? To go one step further, what if they played off-stage, so the audience couldn't even see them? Would that still constitute a live performance? If it failed, would that represent a failure of the audience to rise to the challenge, or just signify that it was stupid thing for the performers to do? If it succeeded, what would that mean? Loop content... I narrowly missed snatching a Line 6 DL4 on ebay today. Someday... Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 18:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04019; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02c201bfede1$b76ece20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #223 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:20:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Gareth, >I agree with the others on this list Kyma is the best tool for the job. >At over 2000 pounds though it's a big investment. Coincidentally I'm >thinking of going for it myself. It runs on windows machines too. That would be cool! I could rave-on about the Kyma but I'll be polite. Are there other Kyma users on our list? If you get one, let me know. I've been writing a number of Kyma looper Sounds, sort of a looper construction kit, that lets you construct different types of loopers very quickly. And I have an EDP loop capture that lets me move a loop seamlessly from an EDP to the Kyma. (And I do mean seamlessly, you can't hear when the EDP stops looping and the Kyma begins.) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 18:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04479; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901bfede5$6f85da00$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <017601bfed05$b76f0930$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <396E83F6.D83E0B93@home.com> Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:47:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9Nun5C.A.NFB.Gg5b5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Somebody mentioned Native Instruments' Reaktor on another thread. I've been looking into it as it supposedly has excellent support for microtonal scales (multiple global tuning tables, floating-point precision pitch resolution). But when this thread came up, I did a search on their site and found several instances of morphing patches. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 19:12:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04931; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301bfede8$c29678a0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hard Drive based recording, complex editing, virtual instruments and the > like gives unprecedented power to musicians. However, it also gives In the home studio, yes. But for live playing, I'm not sure if the problem of OS-induced latency (ESPECIALLY on laptops) has been conquered yet. I would _love_ to get one of those relatively inexpensive 450+MHz laptops, install a software synth on it, and use it instead of a commercial synth/sampler (which in all likelihood would be far less flexible and in some cases more expensive) with a MIDI guitar/keyboard controller. This new Digigram VXPocket card for laptops sounds promising but I have not been able to find "field reports" yet from performing musicians, plus it's expensive. > unprecedented power to crappy musicians to put together some pretty > impressive stuff. I know this for a fact, because what i can create on the There's a lot of music out there already. The days of ordering mail order catalogs and searching for unique record shops as the primary methods of finding good new music (any genre, not just "new" as in avant-garde though avant is a healthy part of my listening diet) have been long gone for me. That was when noncommercial music was much harder to find. Now it's so easy to find that there's too much of it. :) I rely on the Internet and net-friends such as yourself and others on various mailing lists to refer me to specific works of music - basically assist me in the filtering process. :) > Do you feel that if this trend continues that there may be some sort of > rebellion or 'backlash' to it? That we may place a much greater value on > music that is actually 'played' for us, as it will allow us firsthand to > know if the person, or ensemble, actually has any musical merit? The general public has been conditioned by commercial interests to accept certain performers (e.g. N Sync, Ms. Spears, etc.) and their works as "music product". The public now places greater value on the stage presentation (choreography, costumes, etc.) of the featured performers than the musicians themselves. Stage presentation could be anything from the space warrior outfits of the Backstreet Boys to the trendily-dressed (Fubu(tm)) rappers preaching the gospel of hedonism. Naturally there are those who place much less value on stage presentation and more on other things but those folks are in the minority. That's why I don't think there will be a backlash. Most people are not really into music itself - they are more into memories associated with the music (Rolling Stones, Moody Blues, Diana Ross, etc.) or the product associated with the music (the aforementioned Brittney, etc.). They won't even notice the hidden millions making music (good, bad, and ugly) with their computers in their home studios. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 19:39:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05377; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:42:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Lots of fun. From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009301bfede8$c29678a0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would > _love_ to get one of those relatively inexpensive 450+MHz laptops, install a > software synth on it, and use it instead of a commercial synth/sampler (which > in all likelihood would be far less flexible and in some cases more expensive) > with a MIDI guitar/keyboard controller. This new Digigram VXPocket card for > laptops sounds promising but I have not been able to find "field reports" yet > from performing musicians, plus it's expensive. As far as the VX pocket is concerned the word on the street for Mac users (at least Max/Msp users) is that the VX pocket adds a 20 or 30 percent cpu overhead, and if you go to 24 bit it's a real hog.I don't know anyone who's using one live, the sound manager spec is fine for live gigs.The rule with live gigs as always is "keep it simple": having a studio quality ADDA rig with ASIO drivers and all the fruit seems to me to be asking for trouble. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 20:02:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05694; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:00:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:00:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000714195557.00aaae00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:58:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: RE: another approach to looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James Pokorny wrote: > One of the most challenging gigs I ever did was a small tour > accompanying a > great master of the pakhawaj (double-headed barrel drum, much > older than > tabla) who performed from the solo repertoire... > each taal (rhythmic cycle). For the majority of the tour he > and I would sit > there with our jaws drooping in amazement at the astounding > rhythmic feats > we were hearing from the master drummer, trying our hardest > just to keep > time. And the master's name was...? I don't think i know the names of any master pakhawaj players. Would love to hear some of this. peter koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 20:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05909; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000714201006.007c58c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:10:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Lots of fun. In-Reply-To: <05ed01bfede0$a8972c40$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:12 PM 7/14/00 -0400,Peter wrote: ... If the band (or DJ, or whatever) came >out on stage, with no fanfare, no spotlights, no NOTHING, and just started >to play, what effect would that have on an audience? To go one step >further, what if they played off-stage, so the audience couldn't even see >them? ... That makes me think of the highly polarised reviews I've heard from people who've heard/(sort of) seen Fripp do this.... He sometimes begins a solo performance before the audience has even entered the hall so that they're met with sound when they walk in, and has been known to get up and walk around at this type of event when the loop content is sufficiently dense to sustain itself. The accounts of this sort of performance that I've heard from people who were in attendance are extreme; they either thought it was absolutely brilliant, or felt somehow disappointed that their expectations of their idea of a "performance" were not fulfilled. I've heard very few ambivalent reports; they've either loved it or hated it. He's also notorious for liking to be poorly lit, so that idea of playing offstage out of sight of the audience isn't too far off! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 20:15:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06134; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000714201253.007c2100@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:12:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Lots of fun. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000714201006.007c58c0@pop.ici.net> References: <05ed01bfede0$a8972c40$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:10 PM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >notorious for liking to be poorly lit, so that idea of playing offstage out >of sight of the audience isn't too far off! he allready did that on Peter Gabriel's first solo tour. m ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to "Feeling Gravity's Pull" Wednesday nights from 10PM to Midnight on WRMC 91.1 FM (or if you're outside of Vermont at: http://wrmc.middlebury.edu) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 20:44:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06527; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000714204753.007c65d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:47:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Lots of fun. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000714201253.007c2100@panther.middlebury.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20000714201006.007c58c0@pop.ici.net> <05ed01bfede0$a8972c40$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's right, he did, and speaking of Gabriel, in his early days with Genesis he had wanted to sing from behind a curtain due to stage-fright! At 08:12 PM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:10 PM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >>notorious for liking to be poorly lit, so that idea of playing offstage out >>of sight of the audience isn't too far off! > >he allready did that on Peter Gabriel's first solo tour. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 21:36:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07058; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:26:17 EDT Subject: Re: Lots of fun. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZEvq.A.utB.F37b5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/14/00 6:43:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << That's right, he did, and speaking of Gabriel, in his early days with Genesis he had wanted to sing from behind a curtain due to stage-fright! >> I played once in a band that had a guy who played bass/guitar in a refrigerator-size cardboard box on stage (AKA Sammy Norge) so he could smoke ?, and do what he liked while playing live.The borderline frustrations of the artist in the midst of the cruelest of circumstances is the nature of great writings by Glenn Gould,Fripp and others over the years, anything you have to do make yourself perform live is a task in the modern world. It's a wonder live performance isn't dead yet. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 14 23:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07908; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:58:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200007150256.WAA28430@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 00 22:57:15 -0000 x-sender: nostyle@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "nostyle@interlog.com" To: "Loopers' Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> there is very deliberately NO visual or 'stage presence' element to their >> performances whatsoever. > >That idea has always intrigued me. If the band (or DJ, or whatever) came >out on stage, with no fanfare, no spotlights, no NOTHING, and just started >to play, what effect would that have on an audience? To go one step >further, what if they played off-stage, so the audience couldn't even see >them? Would that still constitute a live performance? If it failed, would >that represent a failure of the audience to rise to the challenge, or just >signify that it was stupid thing for the performers to do? If it succeeded, >what would that mean? These days I'm drawn more and more to the idea of an installation in which I'd be performing live: The best of all worlds? The audience has visuals and a space through which to move, I get to perform in response to the audience but still be anonimous. Or at least invisible. To peform invisibly...or without the audience even knowing they are at a perfomance is one of my favorite subversive acts. Of course I put myself in this position every time I stop and listen to the sounds around me. Then it all comes down to intention... regards, ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 00:27:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08827; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:24:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-Id: <200007150423.AAA08787@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:22:53 EDT Subject: L.A. people: gig on Monday w/eric potter To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loop-oriented L.A. pals, Charlie and I will be playing guitars with Sabrina Judge for a 40 minute set this Monday night. You could be back home in time to do your own thing or hang out with me or us afterward. Cynthia and I had a good meal there a few months ago, if you're so inclined. The music is dark, atmospheric songs with some ambient guitar. I'll stop right there. It's probably your last chance to see me in person for a while, as I'll be travelling until mid-August after that. -eric potter Note: reply to if you'd like to reply. Sabrina Judge Monday July 17 8:00 PM $7 The Mint 6010 West Pico Blvd. Los Angeles CA 90035 hotline: 323-954-9630 www.theminthollywood.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 00:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09020; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-Id: <200007150427.AAA08912@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:22:45 EDT Subject: L.A. people: gig on Monday w/eric potter To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <-ZDyKB.A.cLC.Xg-b5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loop-oriented L.A. pals, Charlie and I will be playing guitars with Sabrina Judge for a 40 minute set this Monday night. You could be back home in time to do your own thing or hang out with me or us afterward. Cynthia and I had a good meal there a few months ago, if you're so inclined. The music is dark, atmospheric songs with some ambient guitar. I'll stop right there. It's probably your last chance to see me in person for a while, as I'll be travelling until mid-August after that. -eric potter Note: reply to if you'd like to reply. Sabrina Judge Monday July 17 8:00 PM $7 The Mint 6010 West Pico Blvd. Los Angeles CA 90035 hotline: 323-954-9630 www.theminthollywood.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 05:34:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10969; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01bfee3e$5ee03c00$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: References: <200007141901.PAA16578@smtp.interlog.com> <3.0.5.32.20000714201006.007c58c0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:23:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <0P7zvD.A.1qC.28Cc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . > > That makes me think of the highly polarised reviews I've heard from people > who've heard/(sort of) seen Fripp do this.... He sometimes begins a solo > performance before the audience has even entered the hall so that they're > met with sound when they walk in, and has been known to get up and walk > around at this type of event when the loop content is sufficiently dense to > sustain itself. The accounts of this sort of performance that I've heard > from people who were in attendance are extreme; they either thought it was > absolutely brilliant, or felt somehow disappointed that their expectations > of their idea of a "performance" were not fulfilled. I've heard very few > ambivalent reports; they've either loved it or hated it. He's also > notorious for liking to be poorly lit, so that idea of playing offstage out > of sight of the audience isn't too far off! > > Tim > I've seen the Fripp a couple of times , and I thought it was cool that he sat there, doing his thing, in the semi dark. I speculated about reasons for this, but some time later I read that Mr Fripp has a problem with his eyes : it seems he just can't stand very bright light. With all this loop - ambient or whatever, it's nice that there are some visuals, but if the music's really good, I just close my eyes (after I've had a good look at the musicians tools of course) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 07:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11523; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:10:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:10:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:15:02 -0700 Subject: Re: soundmorphing software for pc Also: Sampling in realtime From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3046479302_1224223_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <5G4kdD.A.azC.aZEc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3046479302_1224223_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Kyma software/hardware solution works GREAT on PC. Remember, though, that you are buying a hardware subsystem, basicaly a black box full of DSP and memory, along with the software to control it. The morphing on Kyma is unbeatable. One of the really cool things you can do with the Kyma is morphing sounds in realtime; take the frequency component of one sound and apply that to the amplitude component of another sound....It also does: AM, FM, Granular, Additive, Subtractive, Wavetable, and about a dozen other types of synthesis, Loopers ought to know that Kyma allows you to record and playback an almost unlimited number of loops at any time (I have personally recorded 16 while playing back over 30, and the system wasn't straining at all) and you can play the loops back forward, backward, randomly grabbing pieces from the record buffer, playing them back like a sampler would, whatever. A basic system has 96 megs of ram (9.5 minutes of stereo 44.1 16 bit looping) and a loaded system has almost 600. You can divide the memory for the loops up most anyway you want (maximum loop time from memory would be about 5 minutes) so you could have hundreds of loops going at once. Of course, if you wanted longer loops. It's not an inexpensive tool, but it is very, very flexible. You can get a VERY nicely outfitted Kyma (much more than the basic system I describe above) for the same price as a Kurzweil 2500. Reading this back, it sounds much more like an ad than I intended it to sound. I was really trying to express that I believe Kyma solves several issues that have been brought up on the list recently.... Vance Last time I looked, the Kyma software was available for Windows. Have they abandoned it? Probably the best bet for being able to do that kind of sound morphing on the PC platform (short of getting a Kyma/Capybara system) would be Csound. Csound isn't for the faint of heart, though. It has a steep learning curve, and many people do find the process of writing ORC and SCO (orchestra and score) files too disconnected from the act of making music to be useful. I personally love Csound, though I haven't used it in a while. For an example of a piece that uses a very simple Csound orchestra (drenched with lots of reverb), check out "Stained Glass I: FLW - IX" at my (woefully out-of-date) mp3.com site: http://www.mp3.com/gamut --MS_Mac_OE_3046479302_1224223_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: soundmorphing software for pc  Also: Sampling in realtime<= /TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <TT><BR> The Kyma software/hardware solution works GREAT on PC.  Remember, thou= gh, that you are buying a hardware subsystem, basicaly a black box full of D= SP and memory, along with the software to control it.  <BR> <BR> The morphing on Kyma is unbeatable.  One of the really cool things you= can do with the Kyma is morphing sounds in realtime; take the frequency com= ponent of one sound and apply that to the amplitude component of another sou= nd....It also does: AM, FM, Granular, Additive, Subtractive, Wavetable, and = about a dozen other types of synthesis,<BR> <BR> Loopers ought to know that Kyma allows you to record and playback an almost= unlimited number of loops at any time (I have personally recorded 16 while = playing  back over 30, and the system wasn't straining at all) and you = can play the loops back forward, backward, randomly grabbing pieces from the= record buffer, playing them back like a sampler would, whatever.  A ba= sic system has 96  megs of ram (9.5 minutes of stereo 44.1 16 bit loopi= ng) and a loaded system has almost 600.  You can divide the memory for = the loops up most anyway you want (maximum loop time from memory would be ab= out 5 minutes) so you could have hundreds of loops going at once.  Of c= ourse, if you wanted longer loops. <BR> <BR> It's not an inexpensive tool, but it is very, very flexible.  You can = get a VERY nicely outfitted Kyma (much more than the basic system I describe= above) for the same price as a Kurzweil 2500.<BR> <BR> Reading this back, it sounds much more like an ad than I intended it to sou= nd.  I was really trying to express that I believe Kyma solves several = issues that have been brought up on the list recently....<BR> <BR> Vance<BR> <BR> <BR> Last time I looked, the Kyma software was available for Windows.  Have= <BR> they abandoned it?<BR> <BR> Probably the best bet for being able to do that kind of sound morphing<BR> on the PC platform (short of getting a Kyma/Capybara system) would be<BR> Csound.  Csound isn't for the faint of heart, though.  It has a s= teep<BR> learning curve, and many people do find the process of writing ORC and<BR> SCO (orchestra and score) files too disconnected from the act of making<BR> music to be useful.  I personally love Csound, though I haven't used i= t<BR> in a while.  For an example of a piece that uses a very simple Csound<= BR> orchestra (drenched with lots of reverb), check out "Stained Glass I:<= BR> FLW - IX" at my (woefully out-of-date) mp3.com site:<BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.mp3.com/gamut</U></FONT></TT> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3046479302_1224223_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 10:11:19 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12343; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:09:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:09:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <sashjo@ulster.net> Message-ID: <39707102.3F817C30@ulster.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:11:18 -0400 From: Joshua Colow <sashjo@ulster.net> Reply-To: sashjo@ulster.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 32 sec. Jamman For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <OKFof.A.KAD.aBHc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Selling Lexicon Jamman with 32 seconds of memory for $475 + shipping. Contact me if you have questions or are interested. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 10:50:33 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12902; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <xouoxno@virtulink.com> Message-ID: <3970798D.56BD463B@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:47:41 -0400 From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com> Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: --OT: Rhodes repair in Boston area-- References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000714001047.00a9f810@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <213umD.A.yID.RmHc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com p koniuto wrote: > > Hey Boston Loopers: > > Sorry for the OT post. I'm looking to get an old > Fender Rhodes electric piano fixed. Any leads? > > I think for the most part it's in great shape--the tines > all seem to be fine, and everything works beautifully, > but some things intermittently. I think it basically > just needs some wiring work, like something is shorting > out somewhere. > > Would greatly appreciate any suggestions for > reputable repair-folk in the area. Would really like > to start looping this thing. > > Thanks again, > peter koniuto You might be able to find more information here: http://www.fenderrhodes.org/rhodes/supersite/ -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 10:55:48 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13226; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <001a01bfee6d$d6196e20$239b4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" <j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: another approach to looping Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:03:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <yYsT2.A.bMD.fsHc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > One of the most challenging gigs I ever did was a small tour > > accompanying a > > great master of the pakhawaj >And the master's name was...? I don't think i >know the names of any master pakhawaj players. > >Would love to hear some of this. Thanks for asking, Peter. His name was Pandit Arjun Shejwal, from Bombay. Sadly, he passed away about 8 years ago while still in his prime. There are several available recordings of him accompanying Indian vocalists and instrumentalists, as well as a duet drumming performance with Fazal Qureishi, a brilliant tabla player. Unfortunately the recordings, being mostly accompaniment, can't even approach the power and excitement of his solo performances. I believe there was a CD-length recording made at the same time I toured with him but unfortunately it was never released, nor does it appear likely ever to be released Please contact me off-list if you would like any more information on the available recordings. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 19:13:23 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17062; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <vanceg@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:12:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #225 From: Vance Galloway <vanceg@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Message-ID: <B5963DDB.4B4F%vanceg@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200007151115.HAA11628@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <klKf7C.A._JE.t5Oc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I am afraid I "raved on" about Kyma a little too much yesterday.... sorry.... Yes, there is at least one other Kyma user on the list! Vance ------------- Vance Galloway Chief Engineer/Systems Designer Sound Traffic Control - Audio Immersion Environments vanceg@earthlink.net www.soundtraffic.com ----------- > That would be cool! I could rave-on about the Kyma but I'll be polite. Are > there other Kyma users on our list? > > If you get one, let me know. I've been writing a number of Kyma looper > Sounds, > sort of a looper construction kit, that lets you construct different types of > loopers very quickly. And I have an EDP loop capture that lets me move a loop > seamlessly from an EDP to the Kyma. (And I do mean seamlessly, you can't hear > when the EDP stops looping and the Kyma begins.) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 20:45:51 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18841; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <tcn62@ici.net> Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000715204918.007c3180@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:49:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson <tcn62@ici.net> Subject: Re: --OT: Rhodes repair in Boston area-- In-Reply-To: <3970798D.56BD463B@virtulink.com> References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000714001047.00a9f810@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <dgy0dC.A.7jE.lVQc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:47 AM 7/15/00 -0400, you wrote: >You might be able to find more information here: > >http://www.fenderrhodes.org/rhodes/supersite/ Wow, thanks David! I bought a battered Mark I Stage 73 in the early 80's, and have always wanted to do the Dyno-My-Piano thing to it to get it all tweaked up and improve the cement-block-like action on the beast. I was able to download a Rhodes repair manual a couple of years ago, but the site you've recommended has much more as far as actual mods and adjustment tips, and I may actually be able to make my Rhodes usable again! (For music, I mean; one winter I used it as ballast for driving my van in the snow....) Peter, did you notice that the Rhodes Super Site lists a tech named Mark Ross right on Boylston St.? Could be the guy you're looking for! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 15 22:26:04 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19666; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:22:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:22:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Message-ID: <01ca01bfeecd$3d4fa780$2b6c8bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" <dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us> To: "Tim Nelson" <tcn62@ici.net>, <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:09:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <3aQtrD.A.9wE.5wRc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 06:12 PM 7/14/00 -0400,Peter wrote: >... If the band (or DJ, or whatever) came >>out on stage, with no fanfare, no spotlights, no NOTHING, and just started >>to play, what effect would that have on an audience? To go one step >>further, what if they played off-stage, so the audience couldn't even see >>them? ... >and Tim Nelson wrote: >That makes me think of the highly polarised reviews I've heard from people >who've heard/(sort of) seen Fripp do this.... He sometimes begins a solo >performance before the audience has even entered the hall so that they're >met with sound when they walk in, and has been known to get up and walk >around at this type of event when the loop content is sufficiently dense to >sustain itself. The accounts of this sort of performance that I've heard >from people who were in attendance are extreme; they either thought it was >absolutely brilliant, or felt somehow disappointed that their expectations >of their idea of a "performance" were not fulfilled. I've heard very few >ambivalent reports; they've either loved it or hated it. He's also >notorious for liking to be poorly lit, so that idea of playing offstage out >of sight of the audience isn't too far off! > >Tim and I add: firstly, Mr. Fripp's running commentary on public performance can be easily tapped into via his open diary at www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diaries/. Secondly, doesn't anyone remember the light shows of the sixties, when the musicians were just part of the scene? I have some very fond memories of great players creating great music while being dwarfed by giant amoebic swirls and film loops. (You may insert appropriate sarcastic and jaded comments about drugs here.) Thirdly, poor Tim, I again apologize for dumping some edits for GuitarOne magazine into your e-mail box. The similarity of your name to TROY Nelson was the reason behind that lil' slip. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 07:00:24 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23430; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 06:59:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 06:59:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <soundmind@pandora.be> Message-ID: <001701bfef13$c56968e0$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" <soundmind@pandora.be> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> References: <01ca01bfeecd$3d4fa780$2b6c8bd1@Douglas> Subject: german looper Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:51:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <uOKt2C.A.srF.-UZc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, and I found it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, and I can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing since the early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. His solo's are very frippoïd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are very original to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? cheers Sound Mind P.S. concerning visuals : my previous band, The Far Out Band, was usually a five piece, playing live with lots of synths, and very often ostinato's. The band members were just lit by the projectors and blacklights, in the Hawkwind tradition. You don't have to remember the 60's for this stuff, it's still very much happening . When my new band Man-In-Space will hit the stage, we'll take the same approach. We wouldn't want to drive the female audience crazy, now would we :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 16:39:31 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27236; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:38:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <mattdavignon@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000716203607.36670.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" <mattdavignon@hotmail.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: San Francisco - Experimental Music "Open Mic" Improvisation Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:36:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <wThttD.A.GnG.Uzhc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com CARNIVAL AD NAUSEAM....Experimental/Improv/Indie music, every Wednesday night at Kimo's Nightclub (1351 Polk St. @ Pine, one block off of Van Ness), here in San Francisco. For the frantic fringe...experimental music of all types: electronic, noise, improvised, progressive...open mic improv sessions, 8 pm sharp...musicians bring your instruments (drums NOT provided at the moment...unfortunately...anyone want to rent a kit out to me on Wednesday nights for less than an arm and a leg?)...sign up...get placed in eclectic ensembles...have about 15 minutes to create the inevitable (depending on turnout, maybe more time will be given)...bands/artists to follow...for open minds and open ears. Come on people...let's stop the whining, get fearless, trade ideas, and make some fuckin' noise. $5 cover, free before 9 pm. For booking info: Alquemy@hotmail.com Current and upcoming bands and events: http://www.bayimproviser.com/venuedetail.asp?venue_id=34 bayimproviser.com........tell all your friends... this is in or around San Francisco - Kimo's Nightclub ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 17:02:02 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27868; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <mattdavignon@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000716210015.80807.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" <mattdavignon@hotmail.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: San Francisco - Experimental music "open mic" Improv.... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:00:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <hwt0lD.A.JxG.8Jic5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops, my last post only posted the ad. Hey guys, this is a posting from Craigslist.com (a San Francisco 'online classified ads' type page). I played at this thing 2 weeks ago, and it was a lot of fun. I'll be back there this coming wednesday too with my CD player and turntable setup. This ad is an open invite, too. If you like to improvise experimental music, show up with your equipment, and they'll make small groups out of the participants to play for 15 to 30 minutes or so. For the last 2 shows, not very many people showed up, so 1 group played for the whole hour. Did I mention that it's free too? There's a $5 cover charge to see the bands that we open for, but that doesn't come into effect until the "open mic" is over at 9. There is a house sound system provided, but it's to your own advantage to bring your own amp. Since the club isn't that huge, and we're not that loud, small to medium size amps/PA's are preferable to monster stacks. Last week the setup was -guitar -djumbek (spelling? It's a small hand drum) -synth/sequencer making noise type music -sax The week before it was -2 guitarists -drum machine -same synth/sequencer guy -CD player & turntable (me) This week - who knows? The more varied the instruments, the better. The official information is below. I hope to meet some of you there. Matt Davignon CARNIVAL AD NAUSEAM....Experimental/Improv/Indie music, every Wednesday night at Kimo's Nightclub (1351 Polk St. @ Pine, one block off of Van Ness), here in San Francisco. For the frantic fringe...experimental music of all types: electronic, noise, improvised, progressive...open mic improv sessions, 8 pm sharp...musicians bring your instruments (drums NOT provided at the moment...unfortunately...anyone want to rent a kit out to me on Wednesday nights for less than an arm and a leg?)...sign up...get placed in eclectic ensembles...have about 15 minutes to create the inevitable (depending on turnout, maybe more time will be given)...bands/artists to follow...for open minds and open ears. Come on people...let's stop the whining, get fearless, trade ideas, and make some fuckin' noise. $5 cover, free before 9 pm. For booking info: Alquemy@hotmail.com Current and upcoming bands and events: http://www.bayimproviser.com/venuedetail.asp?venue_id=34 bayimproviser.com........tell all your friends... this is in or around San Francisco - Kimo's Nightclub ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 18:34:48 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29095; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <001601bfef74$8d728280$7a6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" <gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Please Help ME SU700 Scsi Problems Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:18:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <PBGBL.A.FEH.Zgjc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, >I mean when you change from 2 scenes with different effect setup, it >takes 1 to 2 secs the SU to load new algorithms into DSPs of effect >processor, and depending on which effects you're using you can hear >those glitches. > i know this problem. i sort of figured a solution for it (but not a perfect one) for example you change from scene a to b. and you have that annoying lag. if the track to which the effect is applied in scene b is muted in the scene a, then all you have to do is to put that effect on that track also in the scene a. the bad thing is that you use up one effect, but there won't be any lag. if the track isn't muted then the only solution i found is, that you copy that track and do what i described before. >I don't know exactly how many bytes/second it handles, but it's very >slow.. I have been more than 30 minutes waiting for something to be >loaded, and more than 1 hour to save a volume with 12 songs. > that's really really slow. my scsi connection is a lot faster. it takes under 10 min to load and around 15 to save. the volume is about 55 - 60 mb big. greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 18:53:36 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29653; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:49:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:49:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: <004401bfef76$d7a72ca0$7a6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" <gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si> To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Real Time Sampler Question? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:30:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <ggD8QD.A.6MH.vvjc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, that problem also bugged me. the way i solved is that i use my yamaha su700 and yamaha su10. i use su10 only as a "link" between songs and when i want to record something on the su700. greetings, gregor >Does anyone know : > >Is there any sampler out there that will play a loop while sampling? That will play back a sequence, be it drum sounds or whatever, while sampling a new sound, and then let you add it to the sequence? Of course my EDP does it but my SP-808 does not and I >wish I could find something that does! Does anyone know about the high end samplers like the Akai, E-mu, or Yamaha? > >Thanks, >K > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 19:13:11 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30169; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:07:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:07:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <xouoxno@virtulink.com> Message-ID: <3972400D.FDB850AD@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:06:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com> Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: --OT: Rhodes repair in Boston area-- References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000714001047.00a9f810@pop.mindspring.com> <3.0.5.32.20000715204918.007c3180@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2t3rM.A.2WH.RAkc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > > At 10:47 AM 7/15/00 -0400, you wrote: > >You might be able to find more information here: > > > >http://www.fenderrhodes.org/rhodes/supersite/ > > Wow, thanks David! There's an elist too. > > I bought a battered Mark I Stage 73 in the early 80's, and have always > wanted to do the Dyno-My-Piano thing to it to get it all tweaked up and > improve the cement-block-like action on the beast. I was able to download a > Rhodes repair manual a couple of years ago, but the site you've recommended > has much more as far as actual mods and adjustment tips, and I may actually > be able to make my Rhodes usable again! (For music, I mean; one winter I > used it as ballast for driving my van in the snow....) Ha! I can believe that! I bought one a couple of weeks ago, the price was right $500. I got a '75 Mark 1 Stage Piano PLUS the 4x12 amp & cabinet from a Suitcase Piano. The action needs some TLC, I should get some Teflon Powder in the mail in a few days. I'm going to see how far I can get on my own with the information from the site before I have to drag it out to a tech. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 20:43:10 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31296; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:42:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:42:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <ENAT21213@aol.com> From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <8.7d2b543.26a3b01a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:40:58 EDT Subject: edp questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: <Op6heB.A.pmH.EZlc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, just received a working edp after months of sending a defective one back and forth to gibson. thanks for all the help shane! i have couple questions 1.) can you set the edp up to start recording with just ONE press of the record button and no signal.....when i press the record button once the led reads 000 till i either press the record button again or have some sorta signal going though it then it starts the record. any way to rig it so i can just start recording with one press and no signal? 2.) when i've set up the edp "more loops" function for 2 loops........recorded a loop and press next loop can i set the edp up copy the exact time of loop one on to loop 2 and have loop 2 automatically play as soon as the copied time has expired? right now the only way i'm doing this is to set my edp up so it copies the loop one time only when i press next loop button a second time after pressing it to record loop 2.....it then automatically jumps back to loop one after finishing the copied time.......i'm wanting loop two to loop on for a while thanks for any advice in advance! brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 22:42:11 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00433; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:40:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <howarth54321@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000717023919.70565.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [169.197.35.79] From: "Dan Howarth" <howarth54321@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new CD available by dan howarth Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:39:19 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <FaaQrC.A.k_H.0Hnc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi folks, please let me take a moment to promote my first cd album: "the Eurythmic King of Nowhere" ... it's me (dan howarth) playing warr guitar and working with software, samples, and drum programs; there are a few guest vocal spots. for the most part i played with the guitar and bass tones through signal processors so you'll possibly enjoy some "new" sounds here and there. recorded by myself at home using various devices and equipment. all songs are available through mp3.com for streamed audio listening in the mp3 format. http://www.mp3.com/danhowarth cd purchase cost is only $8, shipping from mp3.com is $2.50. artwork was created by tom johnson. i also created a brief website which you can connect to from mp3.com/danhowarth that contains notes on the music and a guestbook for your commentary - which i'd really like to read. as well, please feel free to promote EKoN to your friends. thanks for your time, dan howarth ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 22:54:51 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00919; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <kflint@annihilist.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:49:51 -0700 From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: edp questions In-reply-to: <8.7d2b543.26a3b01a@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <v03102805b5981c32e2d6@[63.192.37.242]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <TkMBO.A.-L.JUnc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:40 PM -0700 7/16/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >hello all, >just received a working edp after months of sending a defective one back and >forth to gibson. thanks for all the help shane! > >i have couple questions > >1.) can you set the edp up to start recording with just ONE press of the >record button and no signal.....when i press the record button once the led >reads 000 till i either press the record button again or have some sorta >signal going though it then it starts the record. any way to rig it so i can >just start recording with one press and no signal? For some reason you have the "threshold" parameter set to something other than 0. (0 is the default....) Set it back to 0 and it should work as you expect. Threshold is there as a way to "arm" the recording so it waits until you actually play a sound before the recording starts. Handy for some people. You've apparently discovered this feature by accident. :-) If you are just starting off, you may want to reset all of the parameters to factory defaults just in case something else is set where you don't expect it. You do this by holding down the Parameter button when you power up. Keep it held until it gets through the startup screen to the "play" state. >2.) when i've set up the edp "more loops" function for 2 >loops........recorded a loop and press next loop can i set the edp up copy >the exact time of loop one on to loop 2 and have loop 2 automatically play as >soon as the copied time has expired? >right now the only way i'm doing this is to set my edp up so it copies the >loop one time only when i press next loop button a second time after pressing >it to record loop 2.....it then automatically jumps back to loop one after >finishing the copied time.......i'm wanting loop two to loop on for a while Sounds like you just need to learn how to use the time copy function a bit better. It can do exactly what you want, I think you're probably just hitting the wrong button to end the copy. When you go to end the timecopy, press the "insert" button instead of the "nextloop" button, that should do it. Time copy lets you copy multiples of the basic cycle time in the original loop, so your second loop can be exactly 2x, 3x, 13x, etc. Just wait to press Insert when you get the number of cycles you want, and the echoplex will automatically round off for you and loop your new loop. (this seems a little counter-intuitive in writing, but it's not at all once you realize the time copy function is really just exactly like the insert function going into another loop. The idea is to have the advanced functions build on the basic functions, so everything works in a similar way. Once you've learned the basic functions, you can easily extend the same actions to the advanced features and the playing is intuitive. So timecopy being an extension of the insert function, you end it with insert. Soundcopy is similar, except it is build on the multiply function.) here's a step by step for time copy: - set the LoopCopy parameter to "ti" (for time) - record a loop in loop 1 - When you are ready to record loop 2, press Next - Loop 2 starts recording. If you let it keep going, you will see the "multiple" display count up in increments of the cycle time for loop 1. - When you have the number of cycle lengths you want, press Insert. - the echoplex will finish up recording that cycle and begin loopint loop 2. You can also take advantage of the SwitchQuant feature to copy audio and time bases from one loop to another. (described in the manual under switchquant.) It gives you more flexibility and control since you can decided if it copies sound, time, or neither instead of doing it automatically as with the LoopCopy feature. I prefer it for that reason, since I like to be in control of it. Some people like to let the machine take over and automate things more, so we offered both ways. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 16 23:02:59 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01400; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <jparada@pop.interport.net> From: jparada@pop.interport.net Message-ID: <3972845A.1D3F@pop.interport.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:58:20 -0500 Reply-To: jparada@changenow.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: help ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4ID9lD.A.OT.ebnc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Hello Loopers > > I will be asking a favor of the community once again. Anyone who has > >some time and some technical experience and a good heart : please help. > >It's time to upgrade my computer system. I am very interested in also > >getting involved with some simple multitracking and looping. I have a > >couple of $$$ to spend(Thanks Providence). I am considering making the > >following purchases. > > > >Roland Gr 30 > >Guitar Stdio 2.0 software. I understand these 2 work very well together. > >I a hypnotist who is interested in experimenting with loops and > >recording. Please forgive my naivite in the field. > >I recieved a quote from gateway for the computer below. The major > >question: Will this plan of mine work. What I need to do is record > >spoken word tracks that are about 30 minutes long and then have gtr/ > >synth loops that I can mix. PLease help: will this work? Is this > >computer/software good enough to make quality recordings? Thanks to > >anyone who takes the time. I will take the correspondence off the > >loopers sight so as not to annoy or bore others. > >...thanks...peace.....................jparada@changenow.com > > > > QUOTE > >> > >> Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 750MHz Processor with New Performance Enhancing > >> Cache Memory > >> Memory: 128MB 100MHz SDRAM added: US$90 > >> Monitor: EV910 19" Color Monitor (18.0" viewable area) added: US$140 > >> Video: 32MB NVIDIA(tm) RIVA TNT2(tm) M64 Graphics added: US$30 > >> Hard Drive: 30GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA66 hard drive added: US$80 > >> Floppy Drive: 3.5" 1.44MB diskette drive > >> CD-ROM or DVD: 20X min./48X max. CD-ROM drive > >> Sound System: SoundBlaster Live! Value with Digital Audio Output added: > >> US$40 > >> Modem: 56K PCI Voice Modem > >> Case: Mid Tower > >> Keyboard: Multi-function Keyboard > >> Mouse: PS/2 Mouse and Gateway Mouse Pad > >> Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 98 Second Edition > >> Application Software: Microsoft® Works Suite 2000 - Including Microsoft® > >> Word and Encarta > >> Anti-Virus Software: Norton Anti-Virus Software > >> ISP: 1 Year AOL Internet Access > >> Your:)Ware 2.0 Solution Packages: Gateway Music:)Ware CD Creator Pack added: > >> US$229 > >> Expansion Slots: 5 PCI and 1 2X AGP > >> Video Capture: Dazzle Digital Video Creator with Internet Edition Software > >> added: US$224 > >> Limited Warranty Program: 3 Years Parts & Labor Limited Warranty, 1 Year > >> On-Site Service, Limited Hardware & Software Tech > >> Support as long as you own your system > >> Speakers: Boston Acoustics BA265 Speakers > >> Speakers with Subwoofer: $30 > >> Base Price: US $1299 > >> Configured Price: US $2132 > >> Total System(s) Price: US $2132 > >> Tax (if any): US $ > >> Shipping and Handling (if > >> any): US $ > >> Total Price: US $2132 > >> 2162 > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 01:15:26 2000 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com> Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02650; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <tiktok@sprintmail.com> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:11:03 -0700 Subject: Re: German Looper From: Tiktok <tiktok@sprintmail.com> To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> Message-ID: <B597E376.19F9%tiktok@sprintmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200007170254.WAA00981@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3046630264_2830077_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <7zIB_D.A.io.uXpc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3046630264_2830077_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter. Search the web for "Europa String Choir". He's put out an album or two of looped solo stuff. TH=20 From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:54:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226 a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, and I found it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, and I can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing since the early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. Hi= s solo's are very frippo=EFd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are very original to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? --MS_Mac_OE_3046630264_2830077_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: German Looper I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter.  Search th= e web for "Europa String Choir".  He's put out an album or tw= o of looped solo stuff.

TH

From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com
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Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226


a few weeks back I stumbled on some music= from a german looper, and I found
it the best loops I've heard yet.  But I didn't bookmark his page, and= I
can't find him anymore.  I remember having read he is playing since th= e
early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. &nb= sp;His
solo's are very frippo=EFd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are very original to my knowledge.
Does anyone have any idea who I'm on abo= ut?
 --MS_Mac_OE_3046630264_2830077_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 04:12:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04260; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:11:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:11:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01bfefc6$64116d50$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: Subject: anything in New Orleans? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:09:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFEFCE.C5C2C280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFEFCE.C5C2C280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I'll be in New Orleans all next week - any venue/event recommendations? thanks, os os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFEFCE.C5C2C280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.
 
I'll be in New Orleans all next week - any venue/event=20 recommendations?
 
 
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os
os@scee.sony.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/<= BR>http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/
------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFEFCE.C5C2C280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 07:40:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05538; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:37:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:37:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01bfefe3$85488400$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "lucafeed" To: References: Subject: R: German Looper Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:23:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFF2.39C50300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFF2.39C50300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German LooperOr Michael Peters. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tiktok=20 To: Looper's Delight=20 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: Re: German Looper I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter. Search = the web for "Europa String Choir". He's put out an album or two of = looped solo stuff. TH=20 From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:54:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226 a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, and = I found it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, = and I can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing since = the early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of = years. His solo's are very frippo=EFd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and = loops are very original to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFF2.39C50300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German Looper
Or Michael Peters.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tiktok=20
To: Looper's Delight
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 = 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: German = Looper

I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus = Reuter.=20  Search the web for "Europa String Choir".  He's put out an = album or=20 two of looped solo stuff.

TH

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Date:=20 Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:54:51 -0400
To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihi= list.com
Subject:=20 Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226


a few weeks back I stumbled on some music = from a=20 german looper, and I found
it the best loops I've heard yet. =  But I=20 didn't bookmark his page, and I
can't find him anymore.  I = remember=20 having read he is playing since the
early 70's and he has taken = Guitar=20 Craft lessons for a couple of years.  His
solo's are very = frippo=EFd,=20 as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are
very original to = my=20 knowledge.
Does anyone have = any idea who=20 I'm on about?
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFF2.39C50300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 11:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08244; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.7f39c38.26a47886@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:56:06 EDT Subject: Re: edp questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks kim! a new door has been opened! brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html In a message dated 7/16/00 10:53:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: > >1.) can you set the edp up to start recording with just ONE press of the > >record button and no signal.....when i press the record button once the led > >reads 000 till i either press the record button again or have some sorta > >signal going though it then it starts the record. any way to rig it so i > can > >just start recording with one press and no signal? > > For some reason you have the "threshold" parameter set to something other > than 0. (0 is the default....) Set it back to 0 and it should work as you > expect. Threshold is there as a way to "arm" the recording so it waits > until you actually play a sound before the recording starts. Handy for some > people. You've apparently discovered this feature by accident. :-) > > If you are just starting off, you may want to reset all of the parameters > to factory defaults just in case something else is set where you don't > expect it. You do this by holding down the Parameter button when you power > up. Keep it held until it gets through the startup screen to the "play" > state. > > > >2.) when i've set up the edp "more loops" function for 2 > >loops........recorded a loop and press next loop can i set the edp up copy > >the exact time of loop one on to loop 2 and have loop 2 automatically play > as > >soon as the copied time has expired? > >right now the only way i'm doing this is to set my edp up so it copies the > >loop one time only when i press next loop button a second time after > pressing > >it to record loop 2.....it then automatically jumps back to loop one after > >finishing the copied time.......i'm wanting loop two to loop on for a while > > Sounds like you just need to learn how to use the time copy function a bit > better. It can do exactly what you want, I think you're probably just > hitting the wrong button to end the copy. When you go to end the timecopy, > press the "insert" button instead of the "nextloop" button, that should do > it. Time copy lets you copy multiples of the basic cycle time in the > original loop, so your second loop can be exactly 2x, 3x, 13x, etc. Just > wait to press Insert when you get the number of cycles you want, and the > echoplex will automatically round off for you and loop your new loop. > > (this seems a little counter-intuitive in writing, but it's not at all once > you realize the time copy function is really just exactly like the insert > function going into another loop. The idea is to have the advanced > functions build on the basic functions, so everything works in a similar > way. Once you've learned the basic functions, you can easily extend the > same actions to the advanced features and the playing is intuitive. So > timecopy being an extension of the insert function, you end it with insert. > Soundcopy is similar, except it is build on the multiply function.) > > here's a step by step for time copy: > > - set the LoopCopy parameter to "ti" (for time) > - record a loop in loop 1 > - When you are ready to record loop 2, press Next > - Loop 2 starts recording. If you let it keep going, you will see the > "multiple" display count up in increments of the cycle time for loop 1. > - When you have the number of cycle lengths you want, press Insert. > - the echoplex will finish up recording that cycle and begin loopint loop 2. > > You can also take advantage of the SwitchQuant feature to copy audio and > time bases from one loop to another. (described in the manual under > switchquant.) It gives you more flexibility and control since you can > decided if it copies sound, time, or neither instead of doing it > automatically as with the LoopCopy feature. I prefer it for that reason, > since I like to be in control of it. Some people like to let the machine > take over and automate things more, so we offered both ways. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 11:59:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09344; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01bff006$c1874140$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: References: <003e01bfefe3$85488400$0f01a8c0@luca> Subject: Re: German Looper Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:50:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01BFF017.84EE7F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3q9aVB.A.bRC.tzyc5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BFF017.84EE7F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German LooperIt is Michael Peters. Marcus Reuter is great too! Thanks everybody. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lucafeed=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: R: German Looper Or Michael Peters. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tiktok=20 To: Looper's Delight=20 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: Re: German Looper I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter. Search = the web for "Europa String Choir". He's put out an album or two of = looped solo stuff. TH=20 From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:54:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226 a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, = and I found it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, = and I can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing = since the early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of = years. His solo's are very frippo=EFd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and = loops are very original to my knowledge. Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BFF017.84EE7F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German Looper
It is Michael = Peters.  Marcus=20 Reuter is great too!
Thanks = everybody.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 = 1:23 PM
Subject: R: German Looper

Or Michael Peters.
----- Original Message -----
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To: Looper's Delight
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 = 7:11=20 AM
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I suspect you're referring to Warr Guitarist Markus = Reuter.=20  Search the web for "Europa String Choir".  He's put out = an album=20 or two of looped solo stuff.

TH

From: Loopers-Delight-= d-request@annihilist.com
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Subject:=20 Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #226


a few weeks back I stumbled on some music = from a=20 german looper, and I found
it the best loops I've heard yet. =  But=20 I didn't bookmark his page, and I
can't find him anymore. =  I=20 remember having read he is playing since the
early 70's and he = has=20 taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. =  His
solo's are=20 very frippo=EFd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops = are
very=20 original to my knowledge.
Does anyone=20 have any idea who I'm on=20 about?
 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BFF017.84EE7F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 12:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09813; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000717010630.006a41b0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:06:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Hey, Gotta Say It Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been monitoring the list for awhile and I think the advice and expertise is excellent. I'm learning a lot. Thanks! M. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 13:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11375; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: [193.153.178.60] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000716165714.00dda344@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:57:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "R.Mutt" Subject: Re: german looper In-Reply-To: <001701bfef13$c56968e0$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> References: <01ca01bfeecd$3d4fa780$2b6c8bd1@Douglas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA11331 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:51 p.m. 16/07/00 +0200, you wrote: michael peters ? mpeters@csi.com >Hi all, > >a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, and I found >it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, and I >can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing since the >early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. His >solo's are very frippoïd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are >very original to my knowledge. >Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? > >cheers > >Sound Mind > >P.S. concerning visuals : my previous band, The Far Out Band, was usually a >five piece, playing live with lots of synths, and very often ostinato's. >The band members were just lit by the projectors and blacklights, in the >Hawkwind tradition. You don't have to remember the 60's for this stuff, >it's still very much happening . When my new band Man-In-Space will hit the >stage, we'll take the same approach. We wouldn't want to drive the female >audience crazy, now would we :) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 13:58:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11802; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <037f01bff018$1a501340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Kyma Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:54:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...Yes, there is at least one other Kyma user on the list! Great to hear it, Vance! Your enthusiasm over Kyma is clear (and understood). When I bought my first EDP, it quickly "converted" me to the Looper Religion. Then I got the Kyma system and now I'm a Looper missionary. Now, I fear adding DSPs to my Kyma because I'd start preaching in the streets. I'd carry a sign saying, "The End is the Beginning..." What is your looping set-up like? And do you use your Kyma in live performance? I'm still building a new system. And probably will be for the next year as I'm not certain what hardware I need yet nor the bucks to get whatever it is I think I need. Currently, I have the Capybara "Lite" (Capybara-320 with four I/O channels, four DSPs and no expansion cards), two EDPs, a MOTU MIDI Express XT, an old 90Mhz laptop, and a Tascam 1024 mixer. There's a few other items in there like power amps and speakers, but you get the idea. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 14:35:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12478; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Kyma Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <037f01bff018$1a501340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'd carry a sign >saying, "The End is the Beginning..." I think we've found a slogan for the back of the Looper's Delight T-shirts, if we ever make them... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 15:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13414; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:24:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:24:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000717192249.79654.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: german looper Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:22:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters' "My2k" web page: http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k/index.htm Very creative, and a heck of a nice guy. Matt >From: "R.Mutt" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: german looper >Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:57:14 +0200 > >At 12:51 p.m. 16/07/00 +0200, you wrote: > >michael peters ? >mpeters@csi.com > > > >Hi all, > > > >a few weeks back I stumbled on some music from a german looper, and I >found > >it the best loops I've heard yet. But I didn't bookmark his page, and I > >can't find him anymore. I remember having read he is playing since the > >early 70's and he has taken Guitar Craft lessons for a couple of years. >His > >solo's are very frippoïd, as he calls them, but his rhythms and loops are > >very original to my knowledge. > >Does anyone have any idea who I'm on about? > > > >cheers > > > >Sound Mind > > > >P.S. concerning visuals : my previous band, The Far Out Band, was >usually a > >five piece, playing live with lots of synths, and very often ostinato's. > >The band members were just lit by the projectors and blacklights, in the > >Hawkwind tradition. You don't have to remember the 60's for this stuff, > >it's still very much happening . When my new band Man-In-Space will hit >the > >stage, we'll take the same approach. We wouldn't want to drive the >female > >audience crazy, now would we :) > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 16:40:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14601; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:38:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:38:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000717203720.59130.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.84] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop sequencers? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:37:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: magicicada@mindspring.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Loop sequencers? >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:36:07 -0400 > >Could you tell me more about Reality? >thanks >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > Hey all... I'm new to the list, so I'll give a speck of background. My >looping setup consists of a very pretty Line 6 DL4 in my aux loop, >grabbing and looping from an ensoniq esq-1, a windows laptop running >reality 1.5 something, bass and mics. I have discovered that to properly >do what I'm trying to do, I need another looper so I can crossfade >between textures... > >My question is: Is there a (windows) software or (cheap) hardware midi >sequencer that can loop midi data in realtime, with undo, tempo change, >etc? I think I saw someone doing this with VST once, but VST and Reality >do not play nice at all... > >-> > it isn't cheap but emagic logic audio does realtime midilooping i have 4.11 but even ver 3.5 does midi looping ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 17 23:36:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21564; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000717233957.007cf470@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:39:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: A/B/Y schematic In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everyone... I'm looking at my pedalboard (The River of Heraclitus) with that glazed solder-sniffer's expression yet again... Never content, ever evolving; but anyway: Can anyone point me to a schematic/parts list for a good footswitchable DIY A/B/Y box? I've built simple passive splitter/switchers before that have been moderately OK, but to have it work the way it really should, I think I'll need a transformer in there for ground isolation, a couple of LEDs to show what's going on, and possibly a power supply. What I'm trying to do is to use a doubleneck bass and guitar (separate outputs, but mounted together) with each going to its own amp, BUT sharing the same pedalboard. The two instruments would not be playing at the same time, but I'd need to be to quickly switch between them. Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 10:46:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27897; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03dc01bff0c6$1affb620$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Kyma Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think we've found a slogan for the back of the Looper's Delight T-shirts, >if we ever make them... I LIKE it! Maybe even: The End is near the Beginning. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 10:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28141; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000717203720.59130.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000717203720.59130.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:50:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: last reminder: NYC loopers perform tonight! at Bunker:Extreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Last reminder! for only 5 dollars, you get three electronic acts, three different loopers! the hot new vocal act Volectrix blaat clouds of sound from processed transducers and the scratchy uglient stylings of anti:clockwise do come! a splendid time is guaranteed for all ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 12:20:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29349; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <037f01bff018$1a501340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:26:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: The End Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> I'd carry a sign >>saying, "The End is the Beginning..." > >I think we've found a slogan for the back of the Looper's Delight T-shirts, >if we ever make them... > >bIz Yes! I second the motion! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 12:25:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29647; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:24:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:24:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <037f01bff018$1a501340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:31:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Tone Pharaoh Resent-Message-ID: <2xxTpD.A.qNH.kRId5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, dig'n around mp3.com I found these guys and thought they were great. In my own back yard too! I told them about this list in an email and they hadn't heard of us. We need those t-shirts! http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/36/tone_pharoah.html Check them out, you won't be sorry. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 12:45:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30019; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000718164228.54043.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [150.135.16.103] From: "Dan Howarth" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new cd available by dan howarth Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:42:28 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi folks, i'm not sure if i've sent this message to loopers yet - please forgive me if i have. please take a moment of your time to check out my first cd now available through mp3.com: http://www.mp3.com/danhowarth it's warr guitar and electronics, a few vocals. recorded by myself, original compositions. i'd truly appreciate reading your commentary, so let me know what you think of it. thanks very much, dan howarth ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 19:07:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02516; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: kirke@pop.lmi.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:09:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kirke@lmi.net (Kirke Sonnichsen) Subject: Philosophical Loop Nomenclature (was:RE: Kyma) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loops don't have a beginning or end. That's part of their "delightfulness"! - Kirke (psloo) >> I'd carry a sign >>saying, "The End is the Beginning..." > >I think we've found a slogan for the back of the Looper's Delight T-shirts, >if we ever make them... > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 20:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04004; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: patrick@his.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <8.7d2b543.26a3b01a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:47:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Looping Hits the Kennedy Center Resent-Message-ID: <11WysB.A.P8.3lPd5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes that bastion of cultural snobbery located here in Washington DC will have a brief taste of looping tommorrow evening July 19, 2000. Choreagrapher Laura Schandelmier will be performing excerpts from the piece Madmoiselle. Part of the soundtrack for this dance is the FingerPaint piece " Occupation Zone." This event is part of the Millenium Dance Festival and will be in the lobby of the Kennedy Center at 6pm. This will also be simulcast on the internet. Got http://kennedy-center.org/millenium for details. This event is open and free to the public. Loop On, patrick PS Occcupation Zone can be heard at our web site http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 20:55:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04195; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:53:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <57.89e1800.26a655c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:52:23 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Hits the Kennedy Center To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pat...........very cool!..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 22:14:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05107; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:11:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00df01bff126$c48401a0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Kyma Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:12:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01BFF105.3B0E8100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01BFF105.3B0E8100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: soundmorphing software for pc Also: Sampling in realtimeSpeaking of = Kyma, how's the latency when played from a keyboard or guitar MIDI = controller? Is it comparable to a hardware synth? Also, was anyone able to substantiate the story of John Paul Jones = giving up on using his Kyma at his live shows because it kept crashing? Paolo ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01BFF105.3B0E8100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: soundmorphing software for pc =A0Also: Sampling = in realtime
Speaking of Kyma, how's the latency when played from = a=20 keyboard or guitar MIDI controller?  Is it comparable to a hardware = synth?
 
Also, was anyone able to substantiate the story of = John Paul=20 Jones giving up on using his Kyma at his live shows because it kept=20 crashing?
 
Paolo
------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01BFF105.3B0E8100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 22:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05516; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f701bff128$563eb800$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:23:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I understand you correctly, Max/MSP/Powerbook users are getting along just fine without an add-on card, using just Sound Manager? David Zicarelli's comments at cycling74.com leave an impression that Sound Manager is a performance dog on Powerbooks. Maybe I just got the wrong impression? Thanks, Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Lots of fun. > As far as the VX pocket is concerned the word on the street for Mac users > (at least Max/Msp users) is that the VX pocket adds a 20 or 30 percent cpu > overhead, and if you go to 24 bit it's a real hog.I don't know anyone who's > using one live, the sound manager spec is fine for live gigs.The rule with > live gigs as always is "keep it simple": having a studio quality ADDA rig > with ASIO drivers and all the fruit seems to me to be asking for trouble. > > L8r > > A > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 18 23:16:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06269; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:21:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Lots of fun. From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f701bff128$563eb800$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > If I understand you correctly, Max/MSP/Powerbook users are getting along just > fine without an add-on card, using just Sound Manager? David Zicarelli's > comments at cycling74.com leave an impression that Sound Manager is a > performance dog on Powerbooks. Maybe I just got the wrong impression? > Which comments?There is the table of Sound Manager latencies, and he talks a bit about the limitations of 16 bit sound, which as far as I'm concerned isn't a big deal for live gigs, but apart from that I don't see where Sound Manager gets badly dissed.People I know who are using the gear live generally still all go with the sound manager. I suppose it all boils down to what you want to use it for.If I were doing a gig where I had some prerecorded textures or loops from MAX or any sequencer I could probably afford to go the whole hog with sound quality (as long as the PA made it worthwhile!), but MAX/MSP situations tend to be a little more taxing, what with sampling, audio and midi triggers,a whole bunch of different kinds of synthesis and interaction and all the other ridiculous things MAX/MSP people dream of doing live. As soon as Mr Digigram or Mr Apple or whoever can let all my patches run together in perfect harmony at 24bit 96khz I'll throw real wads of pocket money at them, but until then I'd like to avoid playing the "Macintosh startup sound blues" as much as possible. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 19 02:03:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08416; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:02:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:02:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00f701bff128$563eb800$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> References: <00f701bff128$563eb800$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:36 -0700 To: "pvallad1" , From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Lots of fun. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The audio quality of the built-in I/O on any computer is questionable, but high-fidelity is not always the first priority. Personally I like great sound quality but regardless, built-in audio is only stereo and I like quad or 5.1. So I'm stuck with a card for now. However the newest Magma expansion chassis works with Pismo powerbooks, works with the MOTU PCI-32 card (providing a mere 7 msec latency) and is not much bigger than the laptop itself, so it can all fit in a carry-on bag. I've used a VX Pocket live but only a few times. We had trouble with the breakout cable. The CPU overhead was not 30 percent, but it was a hit. The latency problem is a big one but for looping, it can be compensated IF the OS provides a constant latency. I have a latency-compensating looper which I am diligently refining into share-able condition. By the way, when was the last time you measured the latency of your outboard rack? -Alex S. At 10:23 PM -0400 7/18/00, pvallad1 wrote: >If I understand you correctly, Max/MSP/Powerbook users are getting along just >fine without an add-on card, using just Sound Manager? David Zicarelli's >comments at cycling74.com leave an impression that Sound Manager is a >performance dog on Powerbooks. Maybe I just got the wrong impression? > >Thanks, >Paolo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Pask" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 7:42 PM >Subject: Re: Lots of fun. > > > > As far as the VX pocket is concerned the word on the street for Mac users > > (at least Max/Msp users) is that the VX pocket adds a 20 or 30 percent cpu > > overhead, and if you go to 24 bit it's a real hog.I don't know anyone who's > > using one live, the sound manager spec is fine for live gigs.The rule with > > live gigs as always is "keep it simple": having a studio quality ADDA rig > > with ASIO drivers and all the fruit seems to me to be asking for trouble. > > > > L8r > > > > A > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 19 06:07:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10000; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: David Torn Mailing List To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:04:32 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 19/07/2000 11:04:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Apologies if I'm duplicating stuff here .. got this from Anil Prasad, to pass along .. John >> A new DAVID TORN mailing list on Egroups has been created. This list is devoted to news and discussion about the work of this renowned guitarist and composer. It's also a venue to learn about his upcoming Splattercell release, soundtrack efforts and production work. To join the David Torn mailing list, visit this URL: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn or e-mail to: davidtorn-subscribe@egroups.com Also, if you haven't seen the wonderful new David Torn website Solid States, do visit it at: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn There's a great deal of news and information there. If you know anyone who might be interested, please forward this note to them. -- Anil Prasad aprasad@innerviews.org Innerviews: Music Without Borders http://www.innerviews.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 19 14:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14863; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000719144134.007bd9f0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:41:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, STICKWIRE-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM From: murkie Subject: OT: Gear for Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know it's off topic (well, one of 'em has a loop function, i think), but i thought i'd give you guys the first shot before e-baying this stuff: - DOD FX60 stereo chorus ($30 including shipping USPS): not super-lush but good for stereoizing a mono source :^) - Yamaha NR-100 noise gate ($30 including shipping USPS): basic noise gate pedal - Yamaha QX7 Digital Sequence Recorder ($65 including shipping USPS) - Korg SQD-1 Midi Recorder ($65 including shipping USPS) the midi gear is stuff i bought used back when i was thinking of expanding/syncronizing my rig. never got around to it (got my hands full as it is!). they both power up but i wouldn't know how to use 'em (i'm a midiot) so i probably won't be able to go into much details on how they work. off-list replies (questions welcome),please. thanks. m ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to "Feeling Gravity's Pull" Wednesday nights from 10PM to Midnight on WRMC 91.1 FM (or if you're outside of Vermont at: http://wrmc.middlebury.edu) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 19 18:25:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18309; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fe01bff1ce$7f9f0c30$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Kyma Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:12:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Speaking of Kyma, how's the latency when played from a keyboard or guitar MIDI controller? Is it comparable to >a hardware synth? I'm not a synth person so I don't know what kind of latency to expect from a hardware synth. The Kyma MIDI-to-sound latency is adjustable from 2 milliseconds to 9 milliseconds. The audio latency is adjustable from 3 milliseconds to 10 milliseconds. Of course, you can delay MIDI and audio via your Kyma program as an effect. >Also, was anyone able to substantiate the story of John Paul Jones giving up on using his Kyma at his live >shows because it kept crashing? I haven't heard anything more. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 19 23:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20865; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020d01bff1fa$60740f00$55ab5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for July, 2000. Shows #170 to #173; 22-June-2000 to 13-July-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Craig Padilla - Music for the Mind Vol 1 - See Peace Craig Padilla - Music for the Mind Vol 2 - See Peace Cyber Zen Sound Engine - Moonscape: How Stones Become Enlightened - N-light-N Exuviae - Echoes in the Emptiness - Green House Free System Projekt - Pointless Reminder - Quantum James Johnson - Entering Twilight - Hypnos Mark Sarno - Passages Through and Beyond - Kinesis Michael Stearns - Spirits of the Voyage - Earth Turtle Michael Stearns - Within Nine Dimensions - Earth Turtle Navigator - Northern Consequence - pre-release CD-R Revival - Revival - none Robert Carty - Sertonin Ashram - Deep Sky Ron Boots - Bookworks - Groove Ron Boots - Moments - Groove Steve Roach & Elmar Schulte - Solitaire: Ritual Ground - Projekt Steve Roach & Jorge Reyes - Vine Spark & Spore - Timeroom Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana - Circles & Artifact - The Contemporary Harmonic Terra Firma - Sounds from the Ground - Waveform Various - Ambient Landscapes 2 - Dark Duck Wendy Carlos - Switched On Boxed Set Highlights - East Side Digital Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 01:16:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22550; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301bff209$3b9c7500$8183abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFF219.BA1B03A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6AVkV.A.ufF.9pod5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFF219.BA1B03A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe time for holydays ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFF219.BA1B03A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFF219.BA1B03A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 01:21:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22831; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:20:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:20:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39768CD1.571A1B88@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:23:29 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian music References: <200007191845.OAA15058@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8W2-rC.A.HkF.xvod5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Just wondering if someone could recommend a good introductory book on Indian music? P.S. Live looping, Chapter Arts, UK 26th July featuring unstable moog synthesizer, bizzarre guitarre, processed through a computer using Audio Mulch. Cheers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 09:24:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25847; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:23:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:23:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3976FD12.8008572@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:22:26 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian music References: <200007191845.OAA15058@hemlock.violacea.com> <39768CD1.571A1B88@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gareth Whittock wrote: > > Hi all, > Just wondering if someone could recommend a good introductory book on > Indian music? The Raga Guide A survey of 74 Hindustani Ragas 196 page book w/4 cds. The cds have a minature of each of the ragas. also Allap: a discovery of Indian Music box w/20 cds and a hardcover book (I've barely scratched the surface of this one...) -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 11:13:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27165; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:11:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:11:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:09:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian music In-Reply-To: <3976FD12.8008572@virtulink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another one I know of is _Practice of Indian Music_ by Daniel Schell. Since I've never seen a copy, anyone here know about this one to speak to it? http://users.skynet.be/clic.music/Articles.htm regards, Steve Burnett On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, David Beardsley wrote: > Gareth Whittock wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Just wondering if someone could recommend a good introductory book on > > Indian music? > > The Raga Guide > A survey of 74 Hindustani Ragas > 196 page book w/4 cds. > The cds have a minature of each of the ragas. > > also > Allap: a discovery of Indian Music > box w/20 cds and a hardcover book > (I've barely scratched the surface of this one...) > > > > > -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 11:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27172; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:12:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01bff25c$e74476c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200007191845.OAA15058@hemlock.violacea.com> <39768CD1.571A1B88@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Indian music Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:12:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found a great book at the Berklee library once. It's by George Ruckert, one of Ali Akbar Khan's students, and the book is called "An Introduction to the Classical Music of North India". It's supposed to simulate the first year of classes at his school in California, and it starts with the basic note names and Indian notation, and moves on to detailing individual ragas (only a few; according to him, it's better to really know a few ragas than to just "be familiar" with a whole lot of them) and rhythmic cycles (talas). After that, it's got a boatload of compositions you can learn to play. The book also deals with some of the religious and spiritual aspects of Indian music. It seems like a good place to start, if you've got $40 to spend. The school has a website at http://www.aacm.org/aacm/index.html and I think you can order this book (and others) directly from them. Have fun. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Gareth Whittock To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Indian music > > Hi all, > Just wondering if someone could recommend a good introductory book on > Indian music? > > P.S. > > Live looping, Chapter Arts, UK 26th July featuring unstable moog > synthesizer, bizzarre guitarre, processed through a computer using Audio > Mulch. > > Cheers, > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 11:16:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27771; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: NYC lost item shriek... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOST IN NYC TAXI NIGHT OF TUES. 7/18 Roland MC-202 microcomposer analog synth/sequencer. unit is in blue laptop computer-type of shoulder bag, mounted in cut foam, has 2 1/4" cables in outside pocket. if found please contact me (800) 913 6565 x 201 in nyc 212 966 6565 x 201 or tonobung@panix.com rewards in cash & karma are yours... desperately, robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 11:32:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28369; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39771AEF.754E5265@gi.intercom.es> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:29:51 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "akai@sonicware.com" , "AudioMix@egroups.com" , "homestudio@topica.com" , "live_pa@topica.com" , "logic-users@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: OT: Granular synthesis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, and sorry for the OT! Do you know if there are some software for the PC to do granular synthesis? (apart from Csound (very impressive!), which I am beginning to use these days) I've seen a litthe program which work with this type of synthesis, but it's for Mac! Thanks in advance _sam_ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 12:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29751; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:56:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:56:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39772FD8.E21A5788@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:01:24 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: NYC lost item shriek... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "r. dennis" wrote: > LOST IN NYC TAXI > NIGHT OF TUES. 7/18 > > Roland MC-202 microcomposer > analog synth/sequencer. > > unit is in blue laptop > computer-type of shoulder bag, > mounted in cut foam, has 2 > 1/4" cables in outside pocket. > > if found please contact me > (800) 913 6565 x 201 > in nyc 212 966 6565 x 201 > or tonobung@panix.com > > rewards in cash & karma > are yours... > > desperately, > robert ouch! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 13:12:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30215; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:09:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: NYC lost item shriek... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >LOST IN NYC TAXI >NIGHT OF TUES. 7/18 > >Roland MC-202 microcomposer >analog synth/sequencer. > >unit is in blue laptop >computer-type of shoulder bag, >mounted in cut foam, has 2 >1/4" cables in outside pocket. > >if found please contact me >(800) 913 6565 x 201 >in nyc 212 966 6565 x 201 >or tonobung@panix.com > >rewards in cash & karma >are yours... > >desperately, >robert ouch, squared. Robert gave a great show despite taking the nasty hit right before he got there... I live in fear of this... I once had a WX-7 stolen from right beside me in Penn Station and I cried... Hey, Robert... The Taxi and Limousine Commission has a lost property form. It probably won't work but it certainly can't hurt... best of luck! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 22:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04512; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:19:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:19:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000720214600.0068eea0@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:46:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Indian music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA04340 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alain Daniélou wrote a couple of books about classical music of North India, he wrote about the history of India, the writers, the melodic developments, ragas, talas... And he gave a lot of Ragas.. I think his books are a great introduction... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 22:34:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04773; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:32:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3977B6AB.ABA7A3C2@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:34:24 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: holger czukay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopers, i haven't checked out the *loops quotient*, but this is a VERY cool site for them that's into holger czukay/can/etc. (it also contains an interesting-looking collaboration feature i've not seen elsewhere...): http://www.czukay.de best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 22:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05093; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:39:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000721023825.92023.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: OT: Granular synthesis Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:38:25 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The SynthZone website has a decent list of software based synths, you should check their list at: http://www.synthzone.com/softsyn.htm I'm sure some of them are based on granular synthesis. Good Luck. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 20 23:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06102; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501bff2c6$8da7e420$32934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Indian music Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:48:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <44BSMD.A.3cB.iX8d5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Christian wrote: >Alain Daniélou wrote a couple of books about classical music of North >India, he wrote about the history of India, the writers, the melodic >developments, ragas, talas... And he gave a lot of Ragas.. I think his >books are a great introduction... D'accord! One really helpful book of his (in English) is "The Raga-s of Northern Indian Music" (1980, Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, New Delhi). The first half of the book deals with history, tuning systems, etc. and the second half gives a brief outline of many of the major ragas in Western notation. Although Danielou's theories and writings on Indian music are considered somewhat suspect by purists, he certainly did much to advance Indian musicological thought outside of India. And, as Christian mentioned, his writings are an excellent introduction. Here are a few more suggestions: "Indian Music" by B.C. Deva (1974, Indraprastha Press, New Delhi [with many reprints] ISBN 81 85434 069) A general overview of Indian music by one of the foremost Indian musicologists. Very well-written, and a good introduction to musical history, instruments, etc. Although it includes an extensive glossary, the work presupposes some knowledge of the music and its terminology. "My Music, My Life" by Ravi Shankar (1968, Simon and Schuster, New York, Library of Congress # 68-28918). Mostly autobiography, but also a good introduction to the music from the perspective of the performer. Also includes a short manual on beginning sitar, with many exercises in Indian notation (with explanations of how to read the notation). "Indian Music In Performance - A Practical Introduction" by Neil Sorrell and Pt. Ram Narayan (1980, Manchester University Press, ISBN 0 7190 0756 9). An excellent book if you can find it. Gives a very thorough background in Indian music theory, scales, instruments, history, etc. Pandit Ram Narayan is a virtusoso soloist on the bowed lute called sarangi. Again, this work offers the perspective of Indian music from a renowned performer. There are numerous suberb transcriptions of phrases, melodies, composiitions, etc. in Western notation. "The Music of India" by Peggy Holroyde (1972, Praeger Publishers, New York, Library of Congress # 76-158093) A very good introduction to the classical traditions of both North and South India (unfortunately, South Indian music does not seem to "travel" as well outside of India). This is a worthwhile read, despite the very unscholarly nature of the writing. For example, the author makes some very silly comparisons of classical ragas to similar melodies found in show tunes or European folk music. In other words, comparing apples and oranges. But her heart is in the right place. "Music In India: The Classical Traditions" by Bonnie Wade. (Sorry, I don't have the publication information). An excellent, more scholarly introduction to both North and South Indian classical musics. A basic knowledge of Western musical terminology/theory is assumed, but overall this is a very informative work. These are all good introductory works on Indian music. An incredible, although more highly specialized, work is: "Sitar and Sarod in the 18th and 19th Centuries" by Allyn Miner (1993, Florian Noetzel Verlag, Wilhelmshaven, ISBN 3-7959-0666-0, also reprinted by Motilal Banarsidas Publishers, New Delhi) This work is a history of the development of the two most prominent plucked string instruments in North India today. I will admit a huge bias on my part since Allyn-ji has been my primary teacher for the past 17 years. Nevertheless, I have heard this book praised by many prominent Indian musicians and musical scholars, one of whom even referred to it publicly as "the Bible of Indian instrumental history." Topics treated include a general overview of all stringed instruments used in the North Indian classical tradition, development of sitar and sarod from Persian, Afghani, and Central Asian models, playing styles of various musicians and musical centers, etc., as well as many examples of various compositions for the two instruments (in Indian notation). Again, a very specialized and in-depth work, but well worth reading. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 21 12:03:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11331; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:01:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:01:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <384416250.964195219384.JavaMail.root@web446-ec.mail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:00:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stereoroid - cassette looping tracks uploaded at last! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 194.201.204.34 Resent-Message-ID: <9_HkxC.A.ewC.pOHe5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know if any of you folks remember I was discussing looping using "answering machine" continous cassettes? I was playing around with this a few years ago, and burned a few tracks to CD. I've finally got around to uploading four tracks to mp3.com, and I'd like to invite you folks to have a listen. My own little web site http://stereoroid.com has information about and links to "The Frivolous Project", the name I used for these tracks when I compiled them. At time of writing, two tracks have been approved by mp3.com, and two are pending - all 4 should be up at http://www.mp3.com/stereoroid by the time you read this. PS - Markus R - these are some of the tracks on the CD-R I gave you a year or so ago, in case you're wondering! brian thomson bnt@email.com / bnt@stereoroid.com ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 22 20:51:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24526; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:48:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:48:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701bff43e$fce85ee0$76ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #174 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:41:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewd with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #174 July 20, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on California musician Craig Padilla. The feature CD at Midnight was "Beyond Volume One" which is a D.A.M. CD on MP3.COM. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [The Blue Team] Prologue A Groove Selection (Groove) Future World Orchestra Running Water The Hidden Files (Groove) Lambert SUN Essential (Spheric Music) Alpha Wave Movement Drifted Into Deeper Lands Drifted Into Deeper Lands (Groove) Rudy Adrian Summa Cum Laude Twilight - Atmospheric Works Volume 2 (none) Michael Stearns Rivers of Echoes Lyra (Groove) Fanger & Kersten Nightshift Interkosmos (Manikin) 12:00 am Craig Padilla Beyond (part one) Beyond Volume 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Beyond (part two) Beyond Volume 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Beyond (part three - A) Beyond Volume 1 (See Peace) Craig Padilla Beyond (part three - B) Beyond Volume 1 (See Peace) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The feature CD at midnight will be "The Eye of the Storm" on See Peace Rocords. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 22 21:12:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10661; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:10:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:10:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:15:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #229 From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200007230051.UAA24755@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3047134557_566595_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3047134557_566595_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit No, I have not been able to substantiate this story, hadn't even heard it. However, I use my Kyma live for shows all the time. Generally speaking, it is very, very stable. Can't say I NEVER crashed it, but it's a heck of a lot more stable than most any of my other applications... MUCH more stable. Vance >Also, was anyone able to substantiate the story of John Paul Jones giving up on using his Kyma at his live >shows because it kept crashing? I haven't heard anything more. Dennis Leas --MS_Mac_OE_3047134557_566595_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #229
No, I have not been able to substantiate this story, hadn't eve= n heard it.  However, I use my Kyma live for shows all the time.  = Generally speaking, it is very, very stable.  Can't say I NEVER crashed= it, but it's a heck of a lot more stable than most any of my other applicat= ions... MUCH more stable.

Vance


>Also, was anyone able to substantiate the story of John Paul Jones givi= ng up on
using his Kyma at his live >shows because it kept crashing?

I haven't heard anything more.

Dennis Leas
 --MS_Mac_OE_3047134557_566595_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 04:17:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22569; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:13:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 04:13:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFF48F.84D908E0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: AW: Granular synthesis Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:58:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5YDPt.A.FgF.Tjqe5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Do you know if there are some software > for the PC to do granular synthesis? http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm (look for Granulab) http://pages.nyu.edu/~njw206/ (Granuzone) = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 12:43:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26168; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:40:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:40:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397AF790.88723E64@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:48:00 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Thanks and granular synthesis References: <200007230051.UAA24754@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Thanks I'd like to say thanks for your suggestions regarding Indian music, so - Thanks. The breadth of musical knowledge on this list is really quite impressive. I wonder why? I can't think why a random collection of individuals with a quirky, (as many people would see it) interest in cyclical music/video should be so knowledgeable but I'm grateful for it. Granular synthesis A program called Audiomulch will do real time granular synthesis either from live input to your sound card or from a .wav file you can save the results as a .wav file of any length or output it directly to your sound card - or both! AudioMulch is also very easy to use and if you're into experimenting you can change parameters using the mouse, automate them or assign them to midi controller numbers, (or any combination). You are currently limited to 20 grains though there is a feedback feature which multiplies this figure considerably. If you have a reasonably fast PC you can always connect a number of granulators together. Gareth > Hi there, and sorry for the OT! > > Do you know if there are some software for the PC to do granular > synthesis? (apart from Csound (very impressive!), which I am beginning > to use these days) > > I've seen a litthe program which work with this type of synthesis, but > it's for Mac! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 20:29:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30727; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.140] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:25:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 00:25:47.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6AC9AF0:01BFF505] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com peace we out :) >From: "Luca" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: unsubscribe >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:30 +0200 > >unsubscribe > >time for holydays ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 21:14:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31402; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:10:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Mark Pulver's NAMM report on another mailing list: Electrix kicks ass with a new loop box called the Repeater. This is a machine which let you record multiple loops in fixed bar lengths, and then have control over rate, pitch, and various time based effects in real time on a per loop basis. Think Lexicon JamMan and you have the general idea about this box. In fact, if you have an editor profile for the JamMan, you'll find that it will work with the Repeater. :) Retail US $700, out in November. _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 23:35:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00412; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:33:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:33:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:32:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com More details (and a picture): _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 23 23:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00815; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01bff522$17a425f0$ec5a56d1@microsith> From: "c.white" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:48:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This thing sounds great..wow 256 megs per card.. i am saving my money now..as long as it has instantaneous playback all will be good! c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Repeater > > More details (and a picture): > > > _________________________________________________________ > The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir > The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com > The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 00:29:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01713; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <36.90da213.26ad1fa0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:27:12 EDT Subject: edp restarting itself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my edp is occasionally restarting itself when i power it up....it will restart itself 2..3....4 times then it seems to stabilize most of the time.....sometimes it will just lock up and a #(ussaly 9) or a letter (usually L) will be the only thing on the led....sometimes it just goes totally blank.......sometimes it works perfectly. i seem to recall others having this problem.....any advice to cure this problem thanks brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 00:35:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02025; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:34:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.16be413.26ad20e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:32:32 EDT Subject: midi foot contoller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com looking for advice on a midi controller that sends out midi notes to control the functions on my edp......... i have a ada mc1.......this wouldn't work would it? at least i seem to can't get it to work advice? thanks in advance! brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 00:38:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02328; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001bff529$111ada60$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <200007230051.UAA24754@hemlock.violacea.com> <397AF790.88723E64@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Thanks and granular synthesis Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:38:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I took a peek at http://www.audiomulch.com/ and am definitely interested. I am curious about its capabilities w.r.t microtonal tuning tables and scale resolution, but at $50, one can hardly go wrong. Interesting how it sort of resembles Cycling74's MSP. I emphasize "sort of" here... no way am I implying a ripoff. BTW, if you're tired of waiting for a PC port of Max, there is a competing product called Infinity: http://www.squest.com/Windows/Infinity-Introduction.html Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Thanks and granular synthesis > Granular synthesis > A program called Audiomulch will do real time From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 03:09:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03843; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:02:35 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp restarting itself In-reply-to: <36.90da213.26ad1fa0@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_6XEZB.A.c7.Hr-e5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:27 PM -0700 7/23/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >my edp is occasionally restarting itself when i power it up....it will >restart itself 2..3....4 times then it seems to stabilize most of the >time.....sometimes it will just lock up and a #(ussaly 9) or a letter >(usually L) will be the only thing on the led....sometimes it just goes >totally blank.......sometimes it works perfectly. > >i seem to recall others having this problem.....any advice to cure this >problem probably nobody will fix it with email, so you'll likely need to contact Gibson about that one. my only thought is it's likely the memory simms. that type of behavior is usually a symptom of a memory problem. you might try reseating them in the sockets, or put in a different set of simms and see if that fixes it. good luck, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 03:12:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04183; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01bff522$17a425f0$ec5a56d1@microsith> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:19:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: Repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damn! I'm saving my pennies! Plus, it looks really cool. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 03:16:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04471; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:14:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:14:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:09:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: midi foot contoller In-reply-to: <6e.16be413.26ad20e0@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:32 PM -0700 7/23/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >looking for advice on a midi controller that sends out midi notes to control >the functions on my edp......... > >i have a ada mc1.......this wouldn't work would it? >at least i seem to can't get it to work > >advice? > I doubt that the ADA can send anything other than program change messages. I think there are a few pedals that can send much more of the midi spec. Digitech PMC-10, Rocktron AllAccess, Roland FC-200, lake butler midigator (i think...). there's probably more. some of those are out of production, so you'll have to look for them used. It's worth it for a good controller. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 03:30:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04817; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BFF552.07951F40.shimmer@wolmail.nl> From: shimmer Reply-To: "shimmer@wolmail.nl" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Granular synthesis Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:32:00 +0200 Organization: Remco X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I'm new to the list and saw this question about granular synthesis. there's is a program out called Audiomulch and it has a granular function: it a great program to make soundscape-stuff with. http://www.audiomulch.com/ I read an article on NIN in the "Keyboard" where it was mentioned. Peace, Remco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 03:34:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05114; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:33:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: San Francisco - Chain Tape compilations at Aquarius Records Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:31:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 07:31:54.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D6A28B0:01BFF541] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey guys, Just letting anyone in the San Francisco area know that 2 loopers' compilations are for sale at Aquarius Records, at the corner of Valencia and 21st: CT Akapella For this project, the musicians composed music with their voices, using studio tricks, processing, sampling, etc for various bizarre results. Some songs are pretty, some are dark, and others are just plain weird. CT Found Sound For this CD, participants were only allowed to use previously recorded sounds. While about half of us were pretty familiar with the medium, the other half were instrumentalists up to the challenge of doing this for the first time. Or, if you prefer, you can still order them from me, at the cost of $5 each. My own CD 5 Spots is also available both there and through me. Matt Davignon http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Matt_Davignon/ ps Coming soon from the CT Group!!! : Filter Frenzy: An exploration of musical filters of all types. Ambient-Meditative Music (2 CD set): Pretty self-explanatory. Source/Product (2 CD set): Disc 1 contains 5 minutes of sound contributed by each musician. Disc 2 contains 5 minutes of music from each musician, only using the sounds on disc 1. Bluezette: 20 different approaches to blues music. 75 Seconds: 52 songs by 27 different artists - each no longer than 75 seconds. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 04:15:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05995; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:14:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:14:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01bff5d6$27b14a40$df8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: Subject: Re Repeater Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:17:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF59B.6F6095C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF59B.6F6095C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone considered the thing not being footswitchable. 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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF59B.6F6095C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 04:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06505; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000724083629.11461.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: LD member Dave Coffin cheats on Roland....World comes to an end....Film at eleven. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And I thought he was at home programming his new VG-88! http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Yamaha/PR/Yamaha-DGStomp.html Way to go Dave! ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 05:09:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07288; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397B98F8.568B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:16:39 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: <003b01bff5d6$27b14a40$df8909d2@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cameron wrote: > > Has anyone considered the thing not being > footswitchable. Scary thought i know. Electrix (who make the Repeater) are principally a DJ-oriented company, and the Repeater seems to be touted as the latest in their line of DJ/producer tools. That's not to say that an instrumental performer couldn't use it in a live situation, but from what I can tell it seems like the interface and the unit's intent is more ideally suited to a DJ than a live instrumentalist. I'd be happy to be corrected on that, though! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 05:20:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21953; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:19:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:19:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397C09FB.56D8@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:18:51 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater = DJRND2 ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone tell me whether repeater can record loops with a fixed BPM which can be set before recording the loop, while other loops are still being played back while recording ? Thanks Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 07:44:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01155; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:43:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01bff564$ad4554c0$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "lucafeed" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:44:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF575.45D18140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF575.45D18140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF575.45D18140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFF575.45D18140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 07:45:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01180; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:43:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01bff564$a9de0de0$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "lucafeed" To: References: <36.90da213.26ad1fa0@aol.com> Subject: R: edp restarting itself Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:43:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe I was one of those talking of problems like the ones you are telling about (plus some others). I have had to send my edp both to Usa support (Shane Radtke) and to Europe ones (Andy Ewen), plus I have discussed the problem with some of you. The amazing thing was that it seems the cause of these non-regular problems on the edp can be found in some bad connections of the circuitry inside the machine (memories etc.). I have had all my problems fixed and I have to say the both Shane and Andy have been the most helpful and concretely kind people one can find. If I had to find a new problem like the one you are telling about, I would bring my edp to a good electronic technician to check all the connections now that it is out of warranty. Good Luck, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: edp restarting itself > my edp is occasionally restarting itself when i power it up....it will > restart itself 2..3....4 times then it seems to stabilize most of the > time.....sometimes it will just lock up and a #(ussaly 9) or a letter > (usually L) will be the only thing on the led....sometimes it just goes > totally blank.......sometimes it works perfectly. > > i seem to recall others having this problem.....any advice to cure this > problem > > thanks > brian > electric bird noise > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 07:59:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01924; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:53:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFF552.07951F40.shimmer@wolmail.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: sony tcd-8 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:52:31 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry to be off topic but i need to sell a tcd 8 dat portable needs slight repair $200 email offf list thanks K Keenan Lawler klaw@konstant.com Konstant www.konstant,com 502-893-3260 pg502-675-9201 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 08:38:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02768; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.244] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for sustainer pickups Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:34:53 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2000 12:34:53.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[916BCC50:01BFF56B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys, I'm looking around for the sustainer technology to put in my Godin guitar. Fernandes and others want me to buy their guitar. Miko just put them in his new guitar and added some tracks to a CD I'm making. His new guitar looks and sounds amazing. Miko however is somewhere in Iowa (ouch) and out of touch. Anyone hear where the technology is available? Thanks..... papadave55@hotmail.com Om and Out I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 08:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03202; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:48:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re Repeater Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.71.0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am a non guitar fool so you know.... regards c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Has anyone considered the thing not being footswitchable. Scary thought i know.   From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 09:06:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02303; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ac01bff502$93531aa0$9e2a6ccb@oemcomputer> From: "pierre ambroisine" To: References: <0056910005996633000002L132*@MHS> Subject: Re: Real Time Sampler Question? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:47:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please don't send me anymore emails please! of any kind, thankyou! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 2:18 AM Subject: Real Time Sampler Question? > Does anyone know : > > Is there any sampler out there that will play a loop while sampling? That will play back a sequence, be it drum sounds or whatever, while sampling a new sound, and then let you add it to the sequence? Of course my EDP does it but my SP-808 does not and I > wish I could find something that does! Does anyone know about the high end samplers like the Akai, E-mu, or Yamaha? > > Thanks, > K > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 10:51:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04742; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <63.8c25c4d.26adb0ea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:47:06 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for sustainer pickups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 07/24/00 4:35:45 AM, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: >Hi guys, I'm looking around for the sustainer technology to put in my Godin guitar. You might try... HooverA@tce.com ...Alan Hoover is the owner/inventor of the Sustainiac System that has been around for quite a while (and actually predates the Fernandes and other sustainers). I've been using one of his units since the mid 80s and swear by it. Drop him a line (but you may want to let him recover from NAMM for a day or two though). Cheers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 11:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05689; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:36:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:36:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:24:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Burning Man Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? Have a good time! I think a looping performance will go over well there, i imagine. Just be sure no one throws alot of mud on your setup while they're writhing around to your tunes! i must confess, i've never been. a bit too looney for my tastes, but have seen alot of pictures and such. i have some friends who have just imigrated from South Africa who are going this year, since they have their own experiences from the South African 'burning man' events, and want to see how the Americans strut their stuff... Interesting though...they said it was $150 to attend. WHAT?!? I thought this was an extremely remote, FREE, 'you are responsible for your own livelihood out here' type of event. What's going on? Is the burning man being co-opted? Is nothing sacred... have fun! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 11:44:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06073; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:43:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:43:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:41:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Burning Man Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.71.0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tell us what type of battery operated devices you are using in your looping rig.. regards c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? Have a good time! I think a looping performance will go over well there, i imagine. Just be sure no one throws alot of mud on your setup while they're writhing around to your tunes! i must confess, i've never been. a bit too looney for my tastes, but have seen alot of pictures and such. i have some friends who have just imigrated from South Africa who are going this year, since they have their own experiences from the South African 'burning man' events, and want to see how the Americans strut their stuff... Interesting though...they said it was $150 to attend. WHAT?!? I thought this was an extremely remote, FREE, 'you are responsible for your own livelihood out here' type of event. What's going on? Is the burning man being co-opted? Is nothing sacred... have fun! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 12:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06889; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:22:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-Id: <200007241621.MAA06840@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:20:55 EDT Subject: Re: San Francisco - Chain Tape compilations at Aquarius Records To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kinda off tangent and maybe & kinda sorta related but more self promotional...Temple of Bonmatin ( the other band i sling geetar for ) just got back from a west Coast Tour last week. We played at the "Crocodie" in SF and at "channel" one in san jose. bon matin also did a live radio broadcast from wkjc ...well i cant recall the stations exact name but its 89.1, i think... we were hosted by a great & Intense "noise-psychedelic-imporvised-jam band" called "Liquorball" who had great sounds and cool players and no MIDI time code... stuff like modular synths...the kind of synths u stik leads in and out of in a rack. there was also a dj making loopey noises and swooshes and lotsa loopey sweeps, a kickin english drummer and a guitar player named grady who was absolutely phenominal. The "crocodie" was a very cool place, very rock n toll looking but the crowd and the audiences were great. Liqourball also had a guy with them whom i was told was iggy pop's sax player from the fun house era. he wuz cookin too. and like an absent minded idiot, i forgot to mention to use " Looper " guyyys that we wuz comin out westward. Better late than never. But i reccomend all o' yall go ck out "Liquorball" if u live in The SF-BAy area in addition to all the other bay area talent there is to see and hear :) Warm Regards, JP/AKASH 215.592.9963 akashicphonelines "Remember to Always Kill your Expectations". Ck AKASH out on the web for pics, INFO & LINKS TO AKASH's music streamed in RA: http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 12:28:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07135; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401bff58b$7e501520$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning Man costs Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:23:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Interesting though...they said it was $150 to attend. WHAT?!? I thought > this was an extremely remote, FREE, 'you are responsible for your own > livelihood out here' type of event. What's going on? Is the burning man > being co-opted? The gov (Bureau of Land Management) has raised the permit fees that they charge BM from $60K to almost $450K this year. They are trying to snuff it, and may succeed finally. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 13:07:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08054; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01bff591$74ffafc0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning Man Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:06:06 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4h6a-B.A.X9B.BdHf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm going to BurningMan this year. I haven't been, but I know a few people that have. Keep in mind that the playa is a dried mud flat, which means A Lot of dust. I would highly suggest wrapping any electronics in plastic. I'll be there driving my Modulus Bass, a Boomerang, drum machine and turntables through 2 1x15 cabs and 350W. Hope to see you there! -Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Burning Man > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. > >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 13:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08691; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:34:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:31:14 -0500 (CDT) From: SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Burning man In-Reply-To: <001f01bff591$74ffafc0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-SSnuD.A.THC.S3Hf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whats burning man? On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Steve Rudolph wrote: > I'm going to BurningMan this year. I haven't been, but I know a few people > that have. Keep in mind that the playa is a dried mud flat, which means A > Lot of dust. I would highly suggest wrapping any electronics in plastic. > I'll be there driving my Modulus Bass, a Boomerang, drum machine and > turntables through 2 1x15 cabs and 350W. Hope to see you there! > > -Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: Burning Man > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of > Aug. > > >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 13:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09087; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:42:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:42:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01bff591$74ffafc0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> References: <001f01bff591$74ffafc0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:40:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Burning Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a friend of mine went to Burning Man one year and very bad things happened to her... she never really recovered... and none of her "friends" that accompanied her (one of the steady groups who go there, shan't name names) did anything to stop it. frankly, I'd be happy if they shut it down. freedom is good but there's no excuse for a lack of personal responsibility. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 13:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09429; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:51:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:51:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dc01bff598$86e2ae20$c6db56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Burning Man Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:56:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not every gathering of thousands can be "incident free" like Woodstock- and to let the irresponsible actions of the few prevent the enjoyment of the many seems to be the easy way out- maybe if they took up the flame from days gone by they could have a public announcement with such things as "Stay away from the brown acid." and "If you see bad things happening, get off yer ass and help.", rather than shutting the whole thing down- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Burning Man >a friend of mine went to Burning Man one year and very bad things >happened to her... she never really recovered... and none of her >"friends" that accompanied her (one of the steady groups who go >there, shan't name names) did anything to stop it. > >frankly, I'd be happy if they shut it down. freedom is good but >there's no excuse for a lack of personal responsibility. > > /t > >...electronic a capella madness ......... >...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 14:04:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09823; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001f01bff591$74ffafc0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Burning Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3ZSJPB.A.xYC.ARIf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, I've got friends that are busy constructing a 30 foot goat, complete with an "Anus of Truth" in which you can stick your head and hear ambient/spoken word loops. Fun. I've heard both great and horrible tales of Burningman, but one thing I have heard is that heat and dust will pretty much destroy almost all electronic gear. Many buy old gear and just consider it disposable for that event. I'm a bit too poor/stingy to try that mode. Marklar Mark Sottilaro sine@zerocrossing.net http://www.zerocrossing.net Progress is the lie we tell ourselves to shield us from the horror that is the future. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 14:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10263; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:12:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:12:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01bff59a$af199000$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning man Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:12:09 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com go to http://www.burningman.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Burning man > > > > Whats burning man? > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Steve Rudolph wrote: > > > I'm going to BurningMan this year. I haven't been, but I know a few people > > that have. Keep in mind that the playa is a dried mud flat, which means A > > Lot of dust. I would highly suggest wrapping any electronics in plastic. > > I'll be there driving my Modulus Bass, a Boomerang, drum machine and > > turntables through 2 1x15 cabs and 350W. Hope to see you there! > > > > -Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Burning Man > > > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of > > Aug. > > > >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 14:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10724; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601bff59b$e788c720$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:20:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was just about to say.. what's with all these Space: 1999 looking boxes? Brushed aluminum, please. > Damn! I'm saving my pennies! Plus, it looks really cool. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 14:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11143; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BFF5AE.8B353D60.shimmer@wolmail.nl> From: shimmer Reply-To: "shimmer@wolmail.nl" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking for sustainer pickups Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:34:06 +0200 Organization: Remco X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey !!! About the sustainerunit: Check out this site: http://www.sustainiac.com/ A couple of years I bought the SustainMan unit for my GrandStick and it works fantaStick. All the best, Remco -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: David Potter [SMTP:papadave55@hotmail.com] Verzonden: maandag, juli 24, 2000 2:35 Aan: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Onderwerp: Looking for sustainer pickups Hi guys, I'm looking around for the sustainer technology to put in my Godin guitar. Fernandes and others want me to buy their guitar. Miko just put them in his new guitar and added some tracks to a CD I'm making. His new guitar looks and sounds amazing. Miko however is somewhere in Iowa (ouch) and out of touch. Anyone hear where the technology is available? Thanks..... papadave55@hotmail.com Om and Out I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 15:05:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11864; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:04:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <002501bff5a2$5bfbd100$45ff0b3f@micron.net> To: References: <003601bff59b$e788c720$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:07:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-SMTP-HELO: micron X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: davelinn@micron.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 1Cust69.tnt1.provo.ut.da.uu.net [63.11.255.69] Resent-Message-ID: <0v_F1C.A.z4C.cMJf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I was just about to say.. what's with all these Space: 1999 > looking boxes? Brushed aluminum, please. Space: 1999!!! I'm laughing my head off! Haven't heard of that show since... well, since it was on. I'm so glad the present bears no resemblance to past predictions of same. David Linn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 15:49:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12635; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000724194633.28546.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Burning Man To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I went last year for the first time. Whoever mentioned the DUST was right-on - expect everything to be covered with fine white dust. i did talk to a woman who was playing with a small group with a drumkat, keyboards etc. outside whose black equipment was chalky white. She claimed that the dust did not hurt the equipment, but _i_ wouldn't take any electronic gear with a fan or moving parts except if i knew was only going to play inside a well-covered shelter or could protect them. but I am toying with taking an expressionmate and a QY-70 for grins if i go this year :-) Regarding the risk of going - there is LOTS of potential for injury or death there - lots of things burning, flame throwers, somethings exploding, large structures hobbled together with god-knows-what, thousands of drug-drenched people in an anything-goes environement, sometimes in large masses - On the entry ticket itself is a disclaimer that there is the potential for injury or death for which you the individual must take full responsibility(or something to that nature.) That being said, I never felt that I was in danger while i was there. YMMV. The environment oddly enough invokes trust in one's neighbor, who, as Ford (or was it Arthur?) was informed, appear 'mostly harmless.' I heard of no violence at the '99 burn, but there were several accidents or drug incidents requiring medical attention. If 24-hour techno drum machine thumping (push-button looping?) isn't to your taste, i'd suggest staying on the 'quiet' side of camp (quiet, hyah, right), but that might limit any noise/music/looping that *you* want to do. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 17:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14156; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:38:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:38:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001bff5b7$e9aa0fc0$e1310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning man Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <6AS2x.A.acD.qbLf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Burning Man is a pretentious (with a capital 'P') neo-pagan/techno-primitive affair. See the movie Wickerman for reference. It's an entertaining fertility cult/tree-hugger flick ala The Lottery. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "SOTO VALENCIA ANDRESRODOLFO" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Burning man > > > > Whats burning man? > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Steve Rudolph wrote: > > > I'm going to BurningMan this year. I haven't been, but I know a few people > > that have. Keep in mind that the playa is a dried mud flat, which means A > > Lot of dust. I would highly suggest wrapping any electronics in plastic. > > I'll be there driving my Modulus Bass, a Boomerang, drum machine and > > turntables through 2 1x15 cabs and 350W. Hope to see you there! > > > > -Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Burning Man > > > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of > > Aug. > > > >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 18:14:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14866; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.170b2ca.26ae18b1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: midi foot contoller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Roland's FC-200 sends MIDI note info, and is pretty easy to program...very versatile device with 6! expression pedal jacks in back... David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 18:23:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15304; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:21:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:21:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200007242219.PAA28382@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:20:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Burning Man From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7kvY6C.A.VuD.NEMf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Slightly O/T what are the 2 1x15 cabs that you are using?thanx...STANNER ---------- >From: "Steve Rudolph" >To: >Subject: Re: Burning Man >Date: Mon, Jul 24, 2000, 9:06 AM > > I'm going to BurningMan this year. I haven't been, but I know a few people > that have. Keep in mind that the playa is a dried mud flat, which means A > Lot of dust. I would highly suggest wrapping any electronics in plastic. > I'll be there driving my Modulus Bass, a Boomerang, drum machine and > turntables through 2 1x15 cabs and 350W. Hope to see you there! > > -Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: Burning Man > >> Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: >> > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of > Aug. >> >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 24 19:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16418; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397C6960.60969556@sirius.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:05:53 +0000 From: Peter Wiley Reply-To: pwiley@sirius.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: burningman (little loop content) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5417D6438E58FC09467A9730" Resent-Message-ID: <5c3vvC.A.k_D.frMf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------5417D6438E58FC09467A9730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been to burningman many times and no, it hasn't been free for years. In fact, if you don't get your ticket really soon, it may cost you over $200 (the price goes up as time goes go by). It has not been co-opted. The bureau of land management charges the organizers an exorbitant fee for land usage which seems to go up exponentially every year. The paid staff numbers around 10 people, everyone else working for free (in this sense burningman is free). The organizers must also pay for the privilege of a law enforcement presence and having the fire department on standby. However, "officially sanctioned" participants, such as the opera performers, pyro people, laser operators, large scale sculptors etc, do get in for free and may also receive grants for their expenses. Your ticket money does not go to making anyone wealthy, but instead prevents burningman from becoming a commercially sponsored event. A number of companies have offered to be official sponsors and this has been successfully resisted (so far). end spiel My first couple of times up there, I brought electric guitar, battery powered amp & effects and digitech 8 sec looper but never really played them. Your hands can get really dry up there and there is such a sensory overload that I never really felt like contributing more electronic noise to the din (there's too many loud rave camps up there already). However, my camp has always had lots of acoustic instruments, mostly percussion, lying around for spontaneous jams and serenades. So if any of you are going to burningman and plan to publicly loop, post your intended location and I'll try to come by and visit. Maybe I'll even 'go electric' again this year. Just remember that the climate is extreme; it can be well over 100 degrees daytime and can literally freeze at night. On top of that it can be very dry or it can rain, and there are sometimes high winds with full whiteout condition dust/sand storms. Not the best place for your most prized instruments. All this said, with an open mind and heart and the right companions, burningman might be the most fun you've ever had. Peter ps. In south africa, are the "burning man" events when mobs actually burn men? > >I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug. > >Battery powered mostly. Has anyone on the list been there? > > Have a good time! I think a looping performance will go over well there, i > imagine. Just be sure no one throws alot of mud on your setup while > they're writhing around to your tunes! > > i must confess, i've never been. a bit too looney for my tastes, but have > seen alot of pictures and such. i have some friends who have just > imigrated from South Africa who are going this year, since they have their > own experiences from the South African 'burning man' events, and want to > see how the Americans strut their stuff... > > Interesting though...they said it was $150 to attend. WHAT?!? I thought > this was an extremely remote, FREE, 'you are responsible for your own > livelihood out here' type of event. What's going on? Is the burning man > being co-opted? > > Is nothing sacred... > > have fun! > > > rich > > --------------5417D6438E58FC09467A9730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been to burningman many times and no, it hasn't been free for years. In fact, if you don't get your ticket really soon, it may cost you over $200 (the price goes up as time goes go by). It has not been co-opted. The bureau of land management charges the organizers an exorbitant fee for land usage which seems to go up exponentially every year. The paid staff numbers around 10 people, everyone else working for free (in this sense burningman is free). The organizers must also pay for the privilege of a  law enforcement presence and having the fire department on standby. However, "officially sanctioned" participants, such as the opera performers, pyro people, laser operators, large scale sculptors etc, do get in for free and may also receive grants for their expenses. Your ticket money does not go to making anyone wealthy, but instead prevents burningman from becoming a commercially sponsored event. A number of companies have offered to be official sponsors and this has been successfully resisted (so far). end spiel

My first couple of times up there, I brought electric guitar, battery powered amp & effects and digitech 8 sec looper but never really played them. Your hands can get really dry up there and there is such a sensory overload that I never really felt like contributing more electronic noise to the din (there's too many loud rave camps up there already). However, my camp has always had lots of acoustic instruments, mostly percussion, lying around for spontaneous jams and serenades.

So if any of you are going to burningman and plan to publicly loop, post your intended location and I'll try to come by and visit. Maybe I'll even 'go electric' again this year. Just remember that the climate is extreme; it can be well over 100 degrees daytime and can literally freeze at night. On top of that it can be very dry or it can rain, and there are sometimes high winds with full whiteout condition dust/sand storms. Not the best place for your most prized instruments. All this said, with an open mind and heart and the right companions, burningman might be the most fun you've ever had.

Peter

ps. In south africa, are the "burning man" events when mobs actually burn men? 

>I'm getting a porta-looping rig ready for Burning Man at the end of Aug.
>Battery powered mostly.  Has anyone on the list been there?

Have a good time!  I think a looping performance will go over well there, i
imagine.  Just be sure no one throws alot of mud on your setup while
they're writhing around to your tunes!

i must confess, i've never been.  a bit too looney for my tastes, but have
seen alot of pictures and such.  i have some friends who have just
imigrated from South Africa who are going this year, since they have their
own experiences from the South African 'burning man' events, and want to
see how the Americans strut their stuff...

Interesting though...they said it was $150 to attend.  WHAT?!?  I thought
this was an extremely remote, FREE, 'you are responsible for your own
livelihood out here' type of event.  What's going on?  Is the burning man
being co-opted?

Is nothing sacred...

have fun!


rich
--------------5417D6438E58FC09467A9730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 01:44:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23540; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:41:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:41:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:22:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002501bff5a2$5bfbd100$45ff0b3f@micron.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm so sad. We could have whole cities on the moon, now just a base. We've been sitting on our asses now for more than 25 years. It's time we get our shit together. | -----Original Message----- | From: davelinn@micron.net [mailto:davelinn@micron.net] | Sent: Monday 24 July 2000 12:07 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Repeater | | Space: 1999!!! I'm laughing my head off! Haven't heard of that | show since... | well, since it was on. I'm so glad the present bears no | resemblance to past | predictions of same. | | David Linn | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 02:22:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25112; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001bff5b7$e9aa0fc0$e1310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:35:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Burning man Resent-Message-ID: <87ihND.A.yHG.EHTf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Burning Man is a pretentious (with a capital 'P') >neo-pagan/techno-primitive affair. > >See the movie Wickerman for reference. It's an >entertaining fertility cult/tree-hugger flick ala >The Lottery. > >- Larry T Not that i disagree (maybe on the capital 'P' part), but believe me...I was just waitin' for Larry T's input on this thread...just waitin' for it...i knew it was coming! how can i say this without getting fried? ummm....Larry, your bitterness is getting a bit, ummm...predictable. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 02:58:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25736; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01bff605$621e8560$7d32dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Burning man Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps he's just keeping up with the high standards we have for him! I have to admit, having had several chances in the past to go to BM, and not gone, that it's primarily because I was going to play at psychedelic overnights that pre-date the rave as concept; and recently talked with several of my friends who go either annually or bi-annually up to the Tunnels in San Gabriel. Great hike, great people, great reverb off the uncompleted tunnels' walls. Perhaps 40-50 people at the most, all sorts of instruments, food, and etc. :) And basically we all related that a friend of ours, the one who'd gotten us all to go to the Tunnels in the first place, had been trying to get all of us to go to BM with him. We all agreed the other night, that, well, we'd done it on a more personal - but not small - scale. I'm getting married Aug. 26 and moving to London, UK. Thus I doubt very much if BM would be part of our Honeymoon plans, though we will pass through LA again in the process. But I'll always remember the Tunnels. It's where I learned how to play in front of people, too. :) Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! > >Burning Man is a pretentious (with a capital 'P') > >neo-pagan/techno-primitive affair. > > > >- Larry T > > > Not that i disagree (maybe on the capital 'P' part), but believe me...I was > just waitin' for Larry T's input on this thread...just waitin' for it...i > knew it was coming! > > how can i say this without getting fried? ummm....Larry, your bitterness > is getting a bit, ummm...predictable. > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 18:08:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06505; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201bff683$2b104b20$8a6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: sony tcd-8 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:02:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <7iW51D.A.IjB.t8gf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, what's slight repair and how much does it cost? greetz, gregor >sorry to be off topic but >i need to sell a tcd 8 dat portable >needs slight repair $200 > > >email offf list > >thanks K > >Keenan Lawler >klaw@konstant.com >Konstant >www.konstant,com >502-893-3260 >pg502-675-9201 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 20:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08869; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.81] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:51:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2000 00:51:07.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[95573F30:01BFF69B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heading far east cya >From: "Luca" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: unsubscribe >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:30 +0200 > >unsubscribe > >time for holydays ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 22:05:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10139; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:02:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:02:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c701bff6a5$aa2ee520$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <6e.16be413.26ad20e0@aol.com> Subject: Re: midi foot contoller Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:03:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On this topic, I am looking for recommendations for places that still sell the Digital Music Ground Control pedal. I've tried several online shops and none of them seem to carry it. A few actually carry the Rocktron All Access, supposedly the Rolls Royce of MIDI foot pedals, but it also comes at a Rolls Royce price. Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 22:34:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10751; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01bff6a8$4772aea0$8e23dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: ...The Tunnels... Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:21:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'm going to be telling about them in the liner notes for the forthcoming MP3 CD "Songs from a Tunnel", which should be available for public consumption within two weeks! But, as I've been here for some time I'll lay it down for you cats... :) In 1991, in the midst of a case of Shingles, I was guided up in a driving rain - driving my trusty Corolla SR5 (RIP) and dodging large boulders as they "clunked" down in the road in front - and thus did not have a good idea as to where I was. The next time I didn't have full directions, and guessed my way up to the foot of the road/trail. It's up San Gabriel Canyon, past the dam, which is reachable via the 39 N, which connects with the 210 and 10 (though you wouldn't want to take it from way down THERE by the 10), North of Azusa, CA. The Tunnels, as I came to know them, take place twice a year - the weekends that Daylight Savings Time comes and goes. When fires are in the area, or it's dry, don't count on having a fire up there. It's awful cold in the Fall sometimes. It's always a good idea to dress in layers, and perhaps have something to sweat the hell out of on the way up, to change out of when you get up there. Bring some food of course, water, and etc., to say nothing of your favorite noisemaker or other musical instrument. Sometimes people bring things like Saxes, which have prompted me to say "I gotta thing about chickens," before playing along w/bowed guitar. Mostly folks stick to the acoustic stuff, as it's sort of a no-no to be TOO amplified. I imagine it would be all right to have a pair of those porto-amp cylinders hooked up to a portable Zoom unit, and a guitar - but remember, who the @#$ is going to schlep it all up there and back, eh? Think about it. By the way, it's best to do this in the day. While driving up the populated section of Azusa, keep an eye out for a convenience store on your left; be sure to buy a parking pass, which is important if you're going to stay overnight. Continue up the 39, winding up through the canyon; you'll pass not only the visually stunning San Gabriel Dam, but also a site with odd ramps leading down into the water 50 ft. below, used to test torpedoes during WWII... Pay attention to the road, as it winds sometimes more violently than the Big Sur drive - and there are reasonably large drive-offs to park and dig the scenery. Before long you'll see a sign for East Fork, followed by a classic metal frame bridge across it, which you should take. After winding your way up, you'll also pass a trailer park's sign (they're way down in the ravine, and therefore not a toxic danger, though a good place to go in case of emergency), and soon, after Burro Canyon, a bend to the left and during the curve back to the right, there's an immediate exit to the left, Schumaker Canyon. Watch out for the oncoming traffic of course. The road goes up between some carved-out places in the side of the range, then you'll see the gate at the base of the trail, to the side a parking area. >From this point, it's 1-1/4 miles. Go over or under the gate, which is perfectly all right, as it just keeps the motor vehicles/etc off for the most part, though bicycles with tough tires are okay. Keep going. There isn't a fork-off you should take - stay on the main trail, watch out for tumbling rocks, and pace yourself. The road/trail has the same up-and-down pattern familiar to most Southern CA mountain roads, and not much easier to deal with on a stamina/confidence level. This hike is a real, Good Zen Experience, so long as you pay attention and don't walk on the edge of the trail, which often can be the only thing between the road and a ravine over a hundred feet deep - the kind of ravine you can imagine Homer going "D-oh!" all the way down. There may be an area right before the first tunnel that has fallen in - this happens perennially and the fixing of which is paid for mostly by the fee you paid when you bought a parking pass. You didn't? Shame on you. Don't pay attention to illusions offered that may show a tunnel far away; keep going. You'll get there. We stick to one concrete rule outside of the obvious ones of being kind to one another, otherwise coexisting peacefully, and hopefully in musical harmony as well - and that's "Pack it in, pack it out." as far as the litter factor is concerned. The particular hikes in question have been going on for quite some time, perhaps over 20 years now; and have developed a positive rapport with the Park Personnel. I prefer the Spring ones, as they've got the higher probability of being warmer, and take my acoustic guitar, a hat, pancho, several layers of clothes, enough tie-die to be respectable, food/water/etc., and a light aluminum beach/lawn chair. Some folks bring tents, congas, you name it, and on occasion several people create an ongoing reincarnated bit of technology known as The Cart, which all concerned dump their junk onto, and all concerned grab a rope and, collectively, pull. The first Cart was a heavy metal bedframe, welded to a pair of bicycles, whose tires were burst before we'd dragged it 100 feet. The last one I saw was impressive and had padded shoulder loops for those who chose to use it. There will be another Cart next time I'm sure. The base is a great place to meet folks to go up the trail with. I recommend against smoking while resting on the way up - there's a considerable altitude factor, and on the other hand you might decide to stop smoking tobacco altogether. I know *I* did after my second time up. In any event, the Tunnels predate the "Rave" as concept, and we're proud to say so at this point. The Park Service presently offers up a story that isn't the complete truth by a stretch, that this pair of tunnels was part of an aborted Nuclear War Escape Route halted in 1967. Period. The actual story goes back to the 20s if not earlier, and involves the Correction Facility that is still there, though no longer as a Work Farm as it was until the 70s. If you look at the film "I Was A Fugitive From A Chain Gang" (1932?), with Paul Muni - which by the way helped abolish Chain Gangs in most of the US - Muni's escape near the end of the film is down the Schumaker Canyon Road. The guys in the back working aren't extras either. Unfortunately for the planners of this great project, it was on the most weather-facing side of the canyon, and tended to erode badly. One thing the mountains in Southern California do really well is crumble. Still. Work continued until 1967, when the State, which had been quietly renting off parcels of land for strip mining just miles north of the Tunnels, encountered the work that the prison inmates had been doing for over 40 years - including an item findable on a Thomas map as "The Bridge to Nowhere", which is farther up the trail than the second tunnel. There's this bridge, just like bridges you see over ravines and such, only this one goes right into the side of a cliff. The entire area, if one thinks about the negative aspects, is a fine example of how the CA State and Fed Dept. of Interior have been letting people rape the land for ages, and for a fee, without letting us know. The Tunnels themselves are unfaced on the inside, and have a really cool post-apocolyptic Mad Max kind of feel to it, when there's a nice fire somewhere close to 2/3 the way through. There are paved "walkways" on the side, which can be handy to put your stuff on instead of the unknown ground. Bring a hat, as sometimes water drips through minute cracks in the tunnel casing. This can be particularly disruptive even if you like that kind of thing, and has who knows what minerals in it, so save your scalp the trouble. :) Do some brisk walks the week before so you're not dead by the time you get up there. And tell them I sent you! But only if you behave yourselves. :) So that's the long form, I guess. Questions? Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jul 25 23:00:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11435; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:58:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:58:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601bff6ae$2da08460$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <002c01bff6a8$4772aea0$8e23dacf@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: ...The Tunnels... Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:04:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to break out my Thomas Guide and see if this is for real! Thank you for sharing this and good luck on your journey across the ocean! Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 02:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13239; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <380928963.964591456146.JavaMail.root@web303-mc.mail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Looking for sustainer pickups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 216.76.237.145 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah. Check out http://www.sustainiac.com/. ------Original Message------ From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Sent: July 24, 2000 12:34:53 PM GMT Subject: Looking for sustainer pickups Hi guys, I'm looking around for the sustainer technology to put in my Godin guitar. Fernandes and others want me to buy their guitar. Miko just put them in his new guitar and added some tracks to a CD I'm making. His new guitar looks and sounds amazing. Miko however is somewhere in Iowa (ouch) and out of touch. Anyone hear where the technology is available? Thanks..... papadave55@hotmail.com Om and Out ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 04:30:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14448; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01bff6db$9e812e00$8299b8d4@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <6e.16be413.26ad20e0@aol.com> <00c701bff6a5$aa2ee520$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: midi foot contoller Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:27:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <0b3JHD.A.VhD.0Eqf5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello paulo, I am debating whether i should change my DMC ground control for a Roland FC 200. I find the DMC a wonderful FC for what it does which is primarily change patches and send cc´s.No note on/off stuff like the Roland does.On the other side the DMC has a nice led screen and it sends midi comands to different midi channels which the Roland doesn´t. I will be in San Diego California in september, let me know where you are and how i can contact you if you are interested in case i decide to sell it. Its practicly new so i would sell it for $200.00 (bought it a few months a go for $250.00) Cheers Luis > On this topic, I am looking for recommendations for places that still sell the > Digital Music Ground Control pedal. I've tried several online shops and none > of them seem to carry it. A few actually carry the Rocktron All Access, > supposedly the Rolls Royce of MIDI foot pedals, but it also comes at a Rolls > Royce price. > > Thanks, > Paolo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 04:55:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14863; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:54:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397EA709.CACFDB7A@gi.intercom.es> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:53:29 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "AudioMix@egroups.com" , "homestudio@topica.com" , "live_pa@topica.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "logic-users@egroups.com" Subject: MONITOR QUESTION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: logic-users@egroups.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hii! someone told me Event monitors are not worth the price because of the LOW DYNAMIC response.. Is this true? Thanks in advance.. PD: I'm also looking for a good source of information on sound physics. I'd like to know EXACTLY what's a decibel, what is SPL, RMS and those thousand of acronyms and terms.. If you know some web site or book talking about this subject, please, let me know Peace _saM_ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 10:19:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17720; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: switters@earthlink.net Message-ID: <397F2090.545751B2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:32:01 -0700 Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: midi foot contoller References: <6e.16be413.26ad20e0@aol.com> <00c701bff6a5$aa2ee520$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HI Paolo, Try contacting Digital Music Corp. directly to find a Ground Control. The URL is www.voodoolab.com. In my experience they are friendly and helpful. Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 10:47:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18179; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: MONITOR QUESTION Message-ID: <0056910006227557000002L172*@MHS> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:42:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 07/26/00 09:44:21" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA18128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For info on sound phyics for non-technical types, I like the Yamaha book that is available in most music stores in the US. I found it on Amazon at : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881889008/ref=sim_books/103-1964507-7026209 Regards, K samu@gi.intercom.es on 07/26/2000 02:53:52 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: logic-users@egroups.com@SMTP Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP live_pa@topica.com@SMTP homestudio@topica.com@SMTP AudioMix@egroups.com@SMTP cc: Subject: MONITOR QUESTION Classification: Restricted hii! someone told me Event monitors are not worth the price because of the LOW DYNAMIC response.. Is this true? Thanks in advance.. PD: I'm also looking for a good source of information on sound physics. I'd like to know EXACTLY what's a decibel, what is SPL, RMS and those thousand of acronyms and terms.. If you know some web site or book talking about this subject, please, let me know Peace _saM_ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 11:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18543; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:12:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:12:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801bff713$752595e0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: MONITOR QUESTION Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:09:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >For info on sound phyics for non-technical types, I like the Yamaha book that is available in most music stores in the US. I found it on Amazon at : > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881889008/ref=sim_books/103-1964507-702 6209 I agree. It's sometimes terse, but I still recommend it. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 11:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18929; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <397EA709.CACFDB7A@gi.intercom.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:19:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: MONITOR QUESTION Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hii! >someone told me Event monitors are not worth the price because of the >LOW DYNAMIC response.. > >Is this true? I'm not an expert on studio monitors, but i noticed at the last LA NAMM show, in the Roland booth, they were demonstrating their new Digital Studio Monitors (DS90 or something?) In the demo room, they had a setup to a/b a couple of other monitors in the same price/performance range. The competitors were the Mackie HR824's and Event 20/20p's. The Mackie's sound fantastic, as well do the Roland's. At the demo, the 20/20's were the weakest of the three, IMO, but held their own nonetheless. I would think that they are pretty good monitors to be in that pack! As Event is now in transition of bringing in a whole new range of monitors (PS series if i'm not mistaken), I would love to grab a pair of 20/20p's if someone is blowing them out somewhere. anyway, my 2 cents. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 12:18:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19630; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:16:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:16:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397F0EBD.CF@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:15:57 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ELECTRIX Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PERILLE (07:52 AM 07.26.2000) wrote: >Hello Mark, Hi Emmanuel! >I have read about you from Looper's Delight list telling about this new >looper. > >Were you already shown a demo of it ? >Or have you already tried to use it for a first time ? Sorry to say, but the unit at the show was running in a flashy demo mode where the LEDs and display were cycling through messages, but there was no live hands-on demo available. Something I missed pointing out from the mail fragment that was quoted back to the Looper's Delight list was that the unit uses a small memory card technology to store loops and data on. I *THINK* that Jamie (from Electrix) said that it was a Compaq memory technology. It's not Smartmedia nor Smartcard. I don't have any numbers on the amount of memory or loop time in the machine. >Can this looper record a new loop while playing back the previous >recorded loops simultaneously ? Yes, definitely. And it lets you play pitch and time tricks in realtime like you can with the Roland Variphrase. It's quite a box. Given that the box is due to ship in November, I have to believe that much more information will make it's way out to the lists soon. Feel free to copy this back to the Looper's Delight list! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 12:20:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19793; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397F0F2E.7E9B@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:17:50 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re (2): ELECTRIX Repeater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PERILLE (07:52 AM 07.26.2000) wrote: >Hello Mark, Hi again Emmanuel! I just found this: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Electrix/Articles/Electrix_Repeater.html They state the retail price to be $599, though the guys at Electrix were saying $700. I'm not sure which is right. Also, there is no information up on the Electrix website just yet, but keep watching as I'm sure it will be there soon: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Please forward this on to the Looper's Delight list. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 15:52:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22742; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: switters@earthlink.net Message-ID: <397F6DDD.16808E21@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:01:54 -0700 Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boston Loopers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7dm5v.A.2iF.-A0f5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've tired of listening to myself. Is there anyone in the Boston area open to jamming? Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 16:29:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23433; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F306@coco.cinteractive.com> From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boston Loopers? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm in Boston -- just starting out with video jamming. Would like to hear what you're up to, if you'd be interested in combining your sounds with images... -----Original Message----- From: switters@earthlink.net [mailto:switters@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boston Loopers? I've tired of listening to myself. Is there anyone in the Boston area open to jamming? Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 20:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26803; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:14:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re: Repeater In-Reply-To: <200007262319.TAA25747@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre LaFosse wrote: >Electrix (who make the Repeater) are principally a DJ-oriented company, and >the Repeater seems to be touted as the latest in their line of DJ/producer >tools. That's not to say that an instrumental performer couldn't use it in >a live situation, but from what I can tell it seems like the interface and >the unit's intent is more ideally suited to a DJ than a live instrumentalist. > >I'd be happy to be corrected on that, though! Yikes! (first off, "hey look, Pulver's on Yet Another Mailing List!") Hi Andre; There is a whole world of composing possibilities when looking at loops. I can tell you from first hand experience in living in loops that it's not all about 4x4 beats and static pitched thumps. Morphing through loops in various scales opens up a vast array of fun. I've been working with a partner for the past year or so on an application that she's writing (in Max) which is all based on mixing, morphing, scaling, pitching, modaling loops. I would put it to the masses that I can offer up a piece of music which you would be hard-pressed to think of as a traditional "loop". :) When I talked to Electrix at the show, I'll admit that I got side-tracked into the coolness of the look of the box and swept up in a side conversation that ensued about various modularish analogish things. So, I don't have a lot of gory details on the Repeater, but I'm sure that they'll come out in time. Emmanuel has forwarded most of what I know (thanks dude!). I can say though, that given the box is coming from a company that "thinks different" and has a wonderful line of products for mashing tones any which way, I would bet that there is plenty of fun waiting for everyone in this box. As a couple of funky side thoughts... Push a 2 bar pattern against a 3 bar pattern, and spin the pitch up a I-IV-V scale on the loops. Or, Run a pair of 2 bar patterns against each other, and then start sliding the starting point of one loop up through the list of beats in the loop. Then play games with holding a 2 count on each odd beat of the loop. Or, drop every-other static 16th to create stuttering 8ths. On a pitched loop. I'm not implying that the Repeater will be able to do this, again, I got sidetracked in a conversation. But, I would bet that Electrix is here watching the list, and I would further bet that they're taking notes. :) (soapbox warning!!!) Now... another little point to pick on. :) (All in good fun Andre, okay?) While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as well. Why? Well, for one, they're real ANALOG devices that don't cost you an arm and a leg. There's another reason though that I think folks are really into. The guys at Electrix aren't trying to be high-tech geeks with soldering irons. You will *not* find tolerances of .00000001 {anything} in the boxes. The guys are _good_ engineers that are also musicians. And *THAT* is the difference here. Electrix is a small company and that puts the solder-jocks close to the designers who are close to the marketeers who are close to the real world. These products sound good because they are designed by folks who work with music for fun (some for $$$) and are not engineering super-nerds. It's the same type of feel that you get from other small company products like those from Clavia, Waldorf, Access, Big Briar, Encore, etc. I love my digital gear, it certainly has it's place, but I love my analog gear more, and I love my small-company gear the best. :) (off of soapbox now - thanks for the ripe tomatoes :) I'll work to find more info on the Repeater... If I get more, I'll be happy to pass it along! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 20:46:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27470; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> References: <200007262319.TAA25747@hemlock.violacea.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:32:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: re: Repeater Resent-Message-ID: <7n-4DB.A.0rG.KW4f5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over >DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as well. > >Why? Well, for one, they're real ANALOG devices that don't cost you an arm >and a leg. > >There's another reason though that I think folks are really into. The guys >at Electrix aren't trying to be high-tech geeks with soldering irons. You >will *not* find tolerances of .00000001 {anything} in the boxes. The guys >are _good_ engineers that are also musicians. And *THAT* is the difference >here. > >Electrix is a small company and that puts the solder-jocks close to the >designers who are close to the marketeers who are close to the real world. >These products sound good because they are designed by folks who work with >music for fun (some for $$$) and are not engineering super-nerds. > >It's the same type of feel that you get from other small company products >like those from Clavia, Waldorf, Access, Big Briar, Encore, etc. Just wanted to add a bit to this. Quite often, especially with music gear, you get what you pay for. I saw the Electrix Filter Queen at the LA Namm show, and was impressed enough to buy one. This is the first filter unit i have ever worked with (hmmm...does a wah pedal count?) Anyway, it's a very cool unit, for $200 to boot. But it is NOISY. Extremely NOISY. If the filter is engaged, even with the mix all the way down, you get a very noticeable hiss from the unit. Also, it is almost impossible to totally 'kill' the original signal even if you've got a really tweaked sound. You can still faintly hear that original tone in there. And, in the LFO section, you get a choice of waveforms, but no control over the shape...just the mix. So if you want to nip a bit of sharpness off the peak of the waveform, you're stuck. You can only turn the mix down a bit. So, a low priced, dj oriented box can be used in the home studio, but it starts to show it's weaknesses when pushed beyond the 'two turntables and a p.a' scenariao. I would probably expect the same from the Repeater. I want to try it out, definitely. But i'll probably keep my expectations in check with regards to s/n ratio, depth of features, and such. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 21:35:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29423; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:32:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <1k2xFC.A.OLH.IG5f5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich, In regards to the noise on FilterQueen You probably just have the Phono Preamp engaged. This will boost a normal input considerably causing such noise. Just check the back of the unit and make sure the input is set to line. The noise related specs on FilterQueen are as follows... SNR (A-Weighted) > 90 dB THD <0.3% Repeater is being designed with the studio musician in mind. We have an instrument input on the front as well as full foot switch control. We still have a phono preamp built in because we believe that vinyl is a valid sound source especially since sampling from vinyl is a modern music mainstay. Anyway I don't want to go into a big marketing spiel but this will be a very very cool product with loads of passion and brainiac algorithms built in. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re: Repeater >While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over >DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as well. > >Why? Well, for one, they're real ANALOG devices that don't cost you an arm >and a leg. > >There's another reason though that I think folks are really into. The guys >at Electrix aren't trying to be high-tech geeks with soldering irons. You >will *not* find tolerances of .00000001 {anything} in the boxes. The guys >are _good_ engineers that are also musicians. And *THAT* is the difference >here. > >Electrix is a small company and that puts the solder-jocks close to the >designers who are close to the marketeers who are close to the real world. >These products sound good because they are designed by folks who work with >music for fun (some for $$$) and are not engineering super-nerds. > >It's the same type of feel that you get from other small company products >like those from Clavia, Waldorf, Access, Big Briar, Encore, etc. Just wanted to add a bit to this. Quite often, especially with music gear, you get what you pay for. I saw the Electrix Filter Queen at the LA Namm show, and was impressed enough to buy one. This is the first filter unit i have ever worked with (hmmm...does a wah pedal count?) Anyway, it's a very cool unit, for $200 to boot. But it is NOISY. Extremely NOISY. If the filter is engaged, even with the mix all the way down, you get a very noticeable hiss from the unit. Also, it is almost impossible to totally 'kill' the original signal even if you've got a really tweaked sound. You can still faintly hear that original tone in there. And, in the LFO section, you get a choice of waveforms, but no control over the shape...just the mix. So if you want to nip a bit of sharpness off the peak of the waveform, you're stuck. You can only turn the mix down a bit. So, a low priced, dj oriented box can be used in the home studio, but it starts to show it's weaknesses when pushed beyond the 'two turntables and a p.a' scenariao. I would probably expect the same from the Repeater. I want to try it out, definitely. But i'll probably keep my expectations in check with regards to s/n ratio, depth of features, and such. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 21:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30085; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:52:01 EDT Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 7/27/00 12:34:44 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, Damon@Electrixpro.com writes: << passion and brainiac algorithms >> sign me up!............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jul 26 22:38:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31023; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:44:39 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Pulver wrote: > Yikes! Did I scare you? > Hi Andre; Hi Mark, > There is a whole world of composing possibilities when looking at loops. I > can tell you from first hand experience in living in loops that it's not > all about 4x4 beats and static pitched thumps. Well, thanks for filling me in. > Now... another little point to pick on. :) (All in good fun Andre, okay?) Okay, Mark. > While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over > DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as well. By all means; this is why I referred to the unit as being geared seemingly towards a "DJ/producer" approach, as opposed to a "live performance" approach a la a Boomerang or EDP. As Damon from Electrix just pointed out, it's designed with the studio musician in mind. I'm not saying that the only use for an Electrix product is for a DJ. I'm suggesting that the Repeater seems to be less geared towards live, performance-oriented looping and more towards studio-based production work. That's all. I've never tried any Electrix units, simply because it's been several years since I was in the market for new processing gear. It looks like a very cool company, from what I've seen. (Most of what I've seen, incidentally, has been ad copy or review write-ups in DJ-oriented publications like URB). At any rate, I think it's a bit premature to get too deep into a thread on a unit that was just premiered at NAMM. It'll be interesting to see how the unit gets applied. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 00:05:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00601; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.23.141.81] From: "Sean Vance" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:03:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2000 04:03:04.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[90775470:01BFF77F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cya ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 00:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02320; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726233406.01cd6a90@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:47:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: Repeater In-Reply-To: <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre LaFosse (01:44 PM 07.26.2000) wrote: >> Yikes! > >Did I scare you? Nah, that was just a reaction to my reading your words as tossing the Electrix gear into a "DJ only" basket. >> While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over >> DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as >> well. > >By all means; this is why I referred to the unit as being geared >seemingly towards a "DJ/producer" approach, as opposed to a "live >performance" approach a la a Boomerang or EDP. Ahh... Okay. I misread the slash as you grouping the two together. >As Damon from Electrix >just pointed out, it's designed with the studio musician in mind. Yeup. >I'm not saying that the only use for an Electrix product is for a DJ. >I'm suggesting that the Repeater seems to be less geared towards live, >performance-oriented looping and more towards studio-based production >work. That's all. Oh. I read your words as just the opposite. It looked like you were saying that Repeater was geared toward the live crowd. >I've never tried any Electrix units, simply because it's been several >years since I was in the market for new processing gear. It looks like >a very cool company, from what I've seen. (Most of what I've seen, >incidentally, has been ad copy or review write-ups in DJ-oriented >publications like URB). Ahh... If you get a chance, you might want to take a look at the products close up and run some audio through them. One of the keen things about the Electrix gear is that they feel good to use. Little touches like them using pots that aren't too loose or too tight and momentary switches with button faces that are big and don't bind up when you hit them off-center (I think they're micro-switches with a ball and socket connection to the button face). >At any rate, I think it's a bit premature to get too deep into a thread >on a unit that was just premiered at NAMM. I disagree. I thought that Electrix may be watching the list and Damon's response to the list shows that they are. Therefore... :) If we get into a discussion about what may or may not be cool about the Repeater (or _any_ product from _any_ vendor) then who knows what can make it into the first production cycle. The box isn't due to ship until November, and the cabinet at the show was clearly _production_ class. That would indicate to me that they have a pretty good handle on the mechanics of the machine, and that they're working on the software. Let's say that we end up in a discussion about how cool it would be to be able to do ________. I would bet that, given it's not an impossible task, that you would see the feature in the unit. I've been involved with many companies of this size that, because of their small size, can react very quickly to user suggestions. One great thing about digital machines is more times than not, "it's only a matter of software". >It'll be interesting to see how the unit gets applied. Yeup! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 05:47:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06880; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:40:42 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726233406.01cd6a90@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:47 PM -0700 7/26/00, Mark wrote: > >> While it's true that trainspotting will show the Electrix modules all over > >> DJ rigs, the modules are getting great use in home/pro studio setups as > >> well. > > > >By all means; this is why I referred to the unit as being geared > >seemingly towards a "DJ/producer" approach, as opposed to a "live > >performance" approach a la a Boomerang or EDP. > >Ahh... Okay. I misread the slash as you grouping the two together. I think he was grouping them together. Correct me if I'm wrong Andre, but I think Andre is contrasting the rather simplistic sort of looping done by your average electronic dance music producer and spun by your average electronic dance music dj, with the more adventurous stuff most people here seem to be interested in - sampling and creating the loops live in performance, while extensively manipulating and interacting with them all in real-time. (from your previous description of yourself Mark, I got the impression this is more in line with what you are actually doing. you'll probably feel right at home here. :-) > >As Damon from Electrix > >just pointed out, it's designed with the studio musician in mind. > >Yeup. > > > >I'm not saying that the only use for an Electrix product is for a DJ. > >I'm suggesting that the Repeater seems to be less geared towards live, > >performance-oriented looping and more towards studio-based production > >work. That's all. > >Oh. I read your words as just the opposite. It looked like you were saying >that Repeater was geared toward the live crowd. Isn't it?? I would think that's a good thing. Live looping tools are the interesting product, and the thing in hot demand. In the studio most people use their computers for non-real-time loop compositions, there isn't much interest in hardware for that. What people want are ways to easily take this creativity live, with musically oriented interfaces for intuitive performance. They want the spontaneity of live improvisation and an intuitive interface to enable it. > >At any rate, I think it's a bit premature to get too deep into a thread > >on a unit that was just premiered at NAMM. > >I disagree. I thought that Electrix may be watching the list and Damon's >response to the list shows that they are. Actually, like you, they just joined this list today. Looper's Delight has been here for years discussing the ideal feature sets for loopers, and the list archives on the website have it all there with about 45,000 people visiting each month. Hard to miss it - a perfect opportunity for market research. :-) I find it amazing that it took Electrix this long to arrive here when they are already so far into the design of a looping product. From my perspective, they have made the same mistake that several other companies recently made, showing up here only after they had already designed all or most of their looping product and missing a perfect opportunity to discover what a huge customer base really wants. For those companies, the feature sets showed it IMO; we'll see how electrix fares. Other companies have been active participants here for years, and their products tend to reflect that depth of understanding of their customers. don't get me wrong, I played with electrix stuff a bit at the jan NAMM. They have some nice products. I don't really know anything about this repeater product yet, hopefully they will do a good job with it. >Therefore... :) > >If we get into a discussion about what may or may not be cool about the >Repeater (or _any_ product from _any_ vendor) then who knows what can make >it into the first production cycle. I think we are all aware of that, we've been doing it here for almost 4 years now. Glad you could join us. :-) >The box isn't due to ship until November, and the cabinet at the show was >clearly _production_ class. That would indicate to me that they have a >pretty good handle on the mechanics of the machine, and that they're >working on the software. Not necessarily. As Matthias and I have discovered many many times, it is really hard to add another feature in software when you've already used up all the buttons in the hardware. :-) >Let's say that we end up in a discussion about how cool it would be to be >able to do ________. I would bet that, given it's not an impossible task, >that you would see the feature in the unit. > >I've been involved with many companies of this size that, because of their >small size, can react very quickly to user suggestions. > >One great thing about digital machines is more times than not, "it's only a >matter of software". haha! I wish that were true! Unfortunately, you can't program more CPU power, more address space, more DSP processors, more knobs, more audio ins and outs, a different display, etc. The hardware is what it is. When you architect a system like this, you make a lot of choices that greatly narrow the possibilities in the future. You do this intentionally since you are creating an interface between musician and sound that is ideally targeted at that specific application. You want it to work perfectly and intuitively for that thing, which means it will not work well for anything else. This is quite the opposite of general purpose platforms like a PC, where software gives you the possiblity to do a great many things, all with an interface that is not well suited to any of them. anyway, welcome to LD. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 05:58:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07180; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:53:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: re: Repeater In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200007262319.TAA25747@hemlock.violacea.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:14 PM -0700 7/26/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >Andre LaFosse wrote: > > >Electrix (who make the Repeater) are principally a DJ-oriented company, and > >the Repeater seems to be touted as the latest in their line of DJ/producer > >tools. That's not to say that an instrumental performer couldn't use it in > >a live situation, but from what I can tell it seems like the interface and > >the unit's intent is more ideally suited to a DJ than a live >instrumentalist. > > > >I'd be happy to be corrected on that, though! > >Yikes! > >(first off, "hey look, Pulver's on Yet Another Mailing List!") > >Hi Andre; > >There is a whole world of composing possibilities when looking at loops. I >can tell you from first hand experience in living in loops that it's not >all about 4x4 beats and static pitched thumps. > hmm, just happened to notice that sentence and it struck me odd..... You might want to check out the people you are talking to before you start talking down to them. Andre is one of the most innovative people I know of as far as real-time looping in performance goes. He's become a master to learn from, not explain the basics too. You should get a copy of his album and ask him how he created it, amazing stuff. (sorry, try not to blush too much Andre... :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 07:26:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07842; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39801BF3.E1E92BD0@gi.intercom.es> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:24:35 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "akai@sonicware.com" , "AudioMix@egroups.com" , "homestudio@topica.com" , "live_pa@topica.com" , "logic-users@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: OT: Soundcard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there! (sorry for the OT) I'm looking for an audio card for a PC I need: -MIDI IN(s) and OUT(s) (not the crappy MIDI ports like creative's sound blaster which needs some kind of converter to make them DIN) -MIDI synth (if possible) -DSP (for managing audio) -various audio IN/OUT I'd like you to point me to some manufacturer's web sites to check tech specs Thanks in advance! Bye! _saM_ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 08:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09128; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:45:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: hoo boy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5zDmUD.A.IOC.i4Cg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hoo boy is this off topic, but at least I think of my looping pals first.... Just got a G4 and won't be needing my old Mac 7300/200. It would be a fantastic starter rig for someone, has a whopping 500 megs of RAM, 17 inch monitor, 6 gigs of HD space, Opcode MIDI interface, etc. If you live in NYC and want a computer for cheap, drop me a line. Thanks. BTW, the Electrix thread is very interesting; I should be getting my MoFx today or tomorrow. Any users of this unit wanna speak up? David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 09:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09424; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000727074852.029cdf08@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:56:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: re: Repeater In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> <200007262319.TAA25747@hemlock.violacea.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0RGJOD.A.tSC.MLDg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint (04:53 AM 07.27.2000) wrote: >>Hi Andre; >> >>There is a whole world of composing possibilities when looking at loops. I >>can tell you from first hand experience in living in loops that it's not >>all about 4x4 beats and static pitched thumps. > >hmm, just happened to notice that sentence and it struck me odd..... You >might want to check out the people you are talking to before you start >talking down to them. Hi Kim; It wasn't my intent to talk down to anyone on the list. I too have been on mailing lists for many years and recognize the rules of netiquette. I went through the archives far enough to know who I was talking to before I posted. The tossing out of the 4x4 line is a reaction to what *I* read as an extreme in pigeon-holing the box into a DJ role with the statement of: ...from what I can tell it seems like the interface and the unit's intent is more ideally suited to a DJ than a live instrumentalist. To emphasize my impression of what he was saying here, I turned around with the 4x4 statement. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 09:26:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09820; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:25:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000727075608.029d4ef8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:21:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: Repeater In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726233406.01cd6a90@mail.redmoon-music.com> <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0HD6n.A.zYC.kgDg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint (04:40 AM 07.27.2000) wrote: >> >I'm not saying that the only use for an Electrix product is for a DJ. >> >I'm suggesting that the Repeater seems to be less geared towards live, >> >performance-oriented looping and more towards studio-based production >> >work. That's all. >> >>Oh. I read your words as just the opposite. It looked like you were saying >>that Repeater was geared toward the live crowd. > >Isn't it?? I would think that's a good thing. I think that we're having a breakdown in semantics. My confusion over what Andre was saying is based on what seems to be conflicting statements to me. It was my impression that Andre is separating a "DJ" and a "live instrumentalist". The key being this statement: >That's not to say that an instrumental performer couldn't use it in >a live situation, but from what I can tell it seems like the interface and >the unit's intent is more ideally suited to a DJ than a live >instrumentalist. And then the statement was made just above stating that the machine may be geared more for "studio-based production work". This became a point of confusion for me. But, I didn't want to bring these statements out in front specifically for clarification due to Andre obviously being a highly respected individual. I simply fell back to the "safe ground" of it must of been my misunderstanding of what he was saying. My overall general reaction to Andre's words was solely based on my impression that he was labeling the box only as a DJ tool. >> >At any rate, I think it's a bit premature to get too deep into a thread >> >on a unit that was just premiered at NAMM. >> >>I disagree. I thought that Electrix may be watching the list and Damon's >>response to the list shows that they are. > >Actually, like you, they just joined this list today. Ummm, having admin'd lists for years, I can appreciate the information that you have in front of you to make this statement. But in my own experience, watching the subs for domain names doesn't tell the whole story. :) I have many "interesting folks" camped out on one of my lists, and you wouldn't know it from their email addresses. :) Add to those the people that live only in the archives and you should see the return names on some of the private mail I get. :) >>The box isn't due to ship until November, and the cabinet at the show was >>clearly _production_ class. That would indicate to me that they have a >>pretty good handle on the mechanics of the machine, and that they're >>working on the software. > >Not necessarily. As Matthias and I have discovered many many times, it is >really hard to add another feature in software when you've already used up >all the buttons in the hardware. :-) :) I agree, of course. The hardware has to be to such a state that it can support new software features without sacrificing the usability of the UI. Hiding modes on a machine behind non-silkscreened options can kill a product. Especially when working a box live where the performer is then being asked to think twice about what "mode" the machine is in before hitting a button. >>One great thing about digital machines is more times than not, "it's only a >>matter of software". > >haha! I wish that were true! Unfortunately, you can't program more CPU >power, more address space, more DSP processors, more knobs, more audio ins >and outs, a different display, etc. The hardware is what it is. True. I made an unqualified statement in the passion of trying to get a point across. >anyway, welcome to LD. Thanks Kim. And my apologies to those who misinterpreted what appears to of been my misinterpretation of what Andre was saying. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 09:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10731; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:50:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:50:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801bff7d1$163a7aa0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...it is >really hard to add another feature in software when you've already used up >all the buttons in the hardware. :-) You've captured my life story! :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 10:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11286; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:20:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:18:49 EDT Subject: ANDRES NEW CD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-07-27 05:56:43 EDT, you write: << Andre is one of the most innovative people I know of as far as real-time looping in performance goes. He's become a master to learn from, not explain the basics too. You should get a copy of his album and ask him how he created it, amazing stuff. >> one more time for us slow ones........how can i get your cd andre?..........can i just send you a bucket of money and you send it to me or do i need to go to some web store?..........thanks.........cant wait to hear it............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 10:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11447; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:22:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:22:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601bff7d5$bab23880$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:19:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9J6q1B.A.HyC.OWEg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Morphing through loops in various scales opens up a vast array of fun. I've >been working with a partner for the past year or so on an application that >she's writing (in Max) which is all based on mixing, morphing, scaling, >pitching, modaling loops. I looked at your (and Amanda's) website. Great ideas! (And that is TWO BIG heaps of equipment at Cikira's studio!) I need more information! When will you folks have something like a manual? etc.? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 10:29:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11683; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:28:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:28:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fd01bff7d6$50e218c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Boston Loopers? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:24:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Catherine, >I'm in Boston -- just starting out with video jamming. Would like to hear >what you're up to, if you'd be interested in combining your sounds with >images... Can you describe "video jamming?" Thanks! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 10:33:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11901; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:31:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F312@coco.cinteractive.com> From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VJPro ordering advice Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:29:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just wanted to know if any of you own the product VJPro (VJamm, but the non-demo version). I'm incredibly excited about it, but the company that makes it (Cambridge A.R.T. -- www.camart.co.uk) doesn't accept credit cards. They say it costs $557 in U.S. Dollars and I can give them the money through an international money order or SWIFT transfer. So here are the questions: If you have VJPro -- what do you think of it? Does it have all the features that they state it does on the site? (If so, I'd pay just about anything for it!) Did the international ordering process work smoothly with Cambridge A.R.T.? Did they get the product to you reasonably quickly? I'm just concerned because if they're not legit then I'd be out a good chunk of moulah... Thanks for any help you can offer!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 11:10:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12532; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:08:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:08:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:57:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Filter Queen (was RE: Repeater) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damon, Thanx for the tip. I will check. But i have been using the 1/4" inputs exclusively on the unit, and i'm almost sure that i have it set to line input. I will check tonight and see. Welcome to the list. I think it's awesome that reps from manufacturers are lurking here, listening in and putting their two cents in regarding their own products (and soon to be products). Thanks Kim for the forum to do this! rich >Rich, In regards to the noise on FilterQueen You probably just have the >Phono Preamp engaged. This will boost a normal input considerably causing >such noise. Just check the back of the unit and make sure the input is set >to line. >The noise related specs on FilterQueen are as follows... >SNR (A-Weighted) > 90 dB >THD <0.3% > >Repeater is being designed with the studio musician in mind. We have an >instrument input on the front as well as full foot switch control. We still >have a phono preamp built in because we believe that vinyl is a valid sound >source especially since sampling from vinyl is a modern music mainstay. >Anyway I don't want to go into a big marketing spiel but this will be a very >very cool product with loads of passion and brainiac algorithms built in. > > > >Best Regards, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix / IVL >"No Creative Barriers" >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 11:32:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13017; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200007271527.LAA20240@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Thu, 27 Jul 00 11:28:22 -0000 x-sender: nostyle@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "nostyle@interlog.com" To: "Loopers' Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Let's say that we end up in a discussion about how cool it would be to be >able to do ________. I would bet that, given it's not an impossible task, >that you would see the feature in the unit. > >I've been involved with many companies of this size that, because of their >small size, can react very quickly to user suggestions. I'll bite!!! The one thing that is most important to me in my looping setup is the ability to do multiple, non-synchronized loops, i.e.. 'loop polyphony'. At the moment, not even the EDP (or whatever Gibson will be putting out) seems to do this. PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong! The only solution for me is to run a few different devices simultaneously. Of course this means that I've got a bunch of different things to keep track of (not a bad thing in itself), the machines all work differently (ditto...sometimes) and that I've got a lot of shit to haul to a gig. It also means that if I do want to synchronize my loops in some useful ratio (and not just multiples of 2, damnit!), I have to rely on millisecond displays (if available) and some quick math. So how about this: (if we're talking about the Repeater here) - 4 separate loops which can be recorded while other loops are playing - loop lengths can be pre-determined by ms., or ratios (e.g..: 5:7 between loops 1 and 2, 1:3 between loops 1 and 3 etc.), or by record start and stop (seamless and foot controlled, of course) - the time settings can be pre- or post-set to any of the loops or pre-set loop length at any time through DSP time stretch or tape-style speed change - relative volume and pan for each of the loops. Even better, 4 assignable outputs. What the hell, this is a wish-list: Mackie-style balanced or unbalanced 1/4" jacks for all i/o. - unit can function with a simple three switch TRS foot pedal (record, stop, loop for immediate looping after recording and re-starting a stopped loop...?), AND complete midi foot pedal control (assignable and customizable) - will vacuum my apartment. It must be clear now that there is no ideal feature set that will please everyone. Judging by the messages on the list, it seems that most people are delighted by their EDPs. While I wouldn't turn one down, it lacks some very important features for me. Any other takers??? Regards, ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 11:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13266; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f501bff7e1$bfd4a670$5bb4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <39801BF3.E1E92BD0@gi.intercom.es> Subject: Re: Soundcard Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:45:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe the creative cards always come with a cable that converts it into standard MIDI In/Out DIN configurations as well as splits it for a joystick. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuel C" To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: OT: Soundcard > Hi there! > (sorry for the OT) > > I'm looking for an audio card for a PC > > I need: > -MIDI IN(s) and OUT(s) > (not the crappy MIDI ports like creative's sound blaster which needs > some kind of converter to make them DIN) > -MIDI synth (if possible) > -DSP (for managing audio) > -various audio IN/OUT > > > I'd like you to point me to some manufacturer's web sites to check tech > specs > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Bye! > > _saM_ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 11:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13619; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:49:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:49:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Repeater Message-ID: <0056910006254615000002L152*@MHS> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:45:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 07/27/00 10:47:07" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA13555 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13704; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:49:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Repeater Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.71.0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 12:02:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14020; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:56:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:56:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Repeater Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.71.0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Do you work at Philips? I have had 5 job interviews with them in the last few weeks. I feel I am getting a bit of a job run around but I am uncertain. Is this normal for Philips? It is very exasperating. Thank You For the Info. Regards, Christopher White From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 12:36:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14994; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000727112849.00e82100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater In-Reply-To: <00e601bff7d5$bab23880$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis W. Leas (09:19 AM 07.27.2000) wrote: >>Morphing through loops in various scales opens up a vast array of fun. I've >>been working with a partner for the past year or so on an application that >>she's writing (in Max) which is all based on mixing, morphing, scaling, >>pitching, modaling loops. > >I looked at your (and Amanda's) website. Great ideas! (And that is TWO BIG >heaps of equipment at Cikira's studio!) :) Yeup, and her pictures are old. :) >I need more information! When will you folks have something like a manual? >etc.? We should have something out "soon", at least a block of screen shots, an overview and some audio clips. But, be warned that "soon" has been the timeline for "a while". :) We just got a kick in the pants to get something together in the next couple of weeks. Word is trickling out about what we're up to and folks are anxious. (yay!). We won't do a lot of self-promotion in public (it's not really our style) but we'll drop words out on various lists when there's something more to see and then let the website babble for itself. Thanks for the words Dennis! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 13:10:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15656; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:56:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: ANDRES NEW CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:18 AM -0400 7/27/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 00-07-27 05:56:43 EDT, you write: > ><< Andre is one of the most innovative people I know of > as far as real-time looping in performance goes. He's become a master to > learn from, not explain the basics too. You should get a copy of his album > and ask him how he created it, amazing stuff. >> > >one more time for us slow ones........how can i get your cd >andre?..........can i just send you a bucket of money and you send it to me >or do i need to go to some web store?..........thanks.........cant wait to >hear it............michael It took almost 30 seconds to find out where to get it from Andre's web site cited in his sig. Here's a relevant page from his site: Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 13:47:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16523; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:44:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5ZR7Y.A.bBE.UUHg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I just thought I would interject an excuse. The reason I just signed up to this discussion group is because we just revealed repeater to the world. We have been watching a few mailing lists (including this one ;-) and the news groups for many, many months to try and give you guys and girls what you want. We couldn't afford to reveal ourselves, and what we were planning on making, because it would give away our plans to the competition. We are quite a small group within a small company so if our competition got wind that Electrix was going to make a looping sampler they could quite possibly crush our dreams, especially since they are all much larger. So anyway, I hope our sudden appearance doesn't offend you guys. Now that all is revealed, I hope we can learn a whole lot more from everyone here, who obviously know a ton about looping.... Oh, and Repeater will be kick ass live. It's fully tailored (like all our gear) to be usable both in the studio and live, especially because our interface is all upfront (check out the huge transport buttons). Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 15:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18510; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.78f7b95.26b1e780@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:29:04 EDT Subject: Re: ANDRES NEW CD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-07-27 13:07:40 EDT, you write: << It took almost 30 seconds to find out where to get it from Andre's web site cited in his sig. >> well thanks chris................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 16:11:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19392; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398028BD.593C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:19:10 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Repeater References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000726233406.01cd6a90@mail.redmoon-music.com> <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000727075608.029d4ef8@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, folks, this is all getting a wee bit silly to me. We're getting into a long and convoluted discussion about the relative merits of "live" versus "studio" uses for a Repeater, AND NONE OF US HAS EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO USE ONE. Nor will we until (at least) the projected release several months away. Now, my personal inclination would be to sit patiently and wait until the machine has actually materialized in the real world before getting into a thread like this. I certainly don't want to go any further into the whole "Is it live? Is it a DJ? Is it a live DJ? Is the DJ live? Is it Memorex?" thing. I do think there are some relevant distictions between what might be practical for a DJ to use in a live set as opposed to someone who's actually creating sound in real time while they loop. This isn't my attempt to philosophically ghettoize turntablists; it's a basic case of how much a person has their hands free while they're playing. If you're looping something from a record that's playing on a turntable, you may very well have both hands free to push buttons and turn knobs. If you're looping something from an instrument you're physically playing, you may just need one or both of those hands to play the instrument while you loop. (And yes, I've seen plenty of scratchers and turntablists in action, so *please please please please* don't start on a "OH, but what if someone wants to loop their turntable tricks" thing. I know, I know, I know...) To me it's a very practical issue. Damon has revealed that there is in fact a footswitchable interface, so once again, how about we wait and see what the unit's like first? If people want to start soliciting Electrix for features they want in the Repeater, that's their provision. To me, it's jumping the gun in a serious way, and maybe a bit disrespectful to the manufacturers. Maybe we could (once again) wait until we actually have the unit in hand, and have tried to learn how to use it and what its basic design slant is like, before we start campaigning for features and modifications on a unit we haven't even had the chance to use yet? Like I said, nobody will be able to *start* to answer these questions definitively for a while yet. Electrix seems like a very cool company with strong products, and I apologize if I jumped to the wrong conclusions about the unit. I'm sure it'll be a more than worthy addition to the current slate of loopers. Anyway. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 18:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22156; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:50:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: ehdanilo@pop.erdbeerhund.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F306@coco.cinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:33:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Danilo Rometsch Subject: Gibson Echoplex in Germany? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I am so happy I found this website and mailinglist on the web. I was desperately looking for something like the Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro and everybody told me something like this doesn't exist. Now I read that Gibson manufactures the Echoplex again. Can anyone tell me when the Gibson Echoplex will be available in Germany? The german distributor of Gibson hardly knows anything about this. But I want to have this machine soon! Does anyone know what it will cost? Greetings from Germany Danilo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 19:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23218; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.245.6] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: General edp questions Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:47:58 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2000 23:47:58.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[17EE39F0:01BFF825] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I was wondering who to call to get repair service for My edp(which is an obie issue)and ask a few questions. Is there any way I can get get speed functions like the Dl4 and boomerang. There is nothing about it in my edp manual, but the more primitive loopers seem to have it so i was hoping.....And if it is not in the current Edp will there be another upgrade including it? If there is an upgrade coming up soon any chance that i can be tantalized by the new additions? Thank you Jeremiah And to add to the repeater thread....Kim you are absolutely right, guitar synths do suck anyway. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 21:18:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26763; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:16:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:16:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.245.6] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Technical history of the loop Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:15:11 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2000 01:15:12.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[472F6E80:01BFF831] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, i was checking around the net t learn about various tape looping schemes and i found this site. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dmorton/8track.html It is not music related but more about the mechanics and buisness of looping. It is cool in a "history channel at 2 oclock in the moring when I cant sleepy " kind of way. Thanks and enjoy or not, Jeremiah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 21:24:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27144; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01bff832$80587fc0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: Technical history of the loop Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:23:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, it's amazing when something like this comes along to remind me why I love this list... Useless information (my favorite kind) that you can't get anywhere else. Thanks! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: George Washington To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Technical history of the loop > > > Hey, > i was checking around the net t learn about various tape looping schemes and > i found this site. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dmorton/8track.html > > It is not music related but more about the mechanics and buisness of > looping. It is cool in a "history channel at 2 oclock in the moring when I > cant sleepy " kind of way. > > Thanks and enjoy or not, > Jeremiah > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 21:55:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28360; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Technical history of the loop Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:57:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00bf01bff832$80587fc0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <2JEV4C.A.B6G.reOg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > Hey, > i was checking around the net t learn about various tape looping schemes and > i found this site. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dmorton/8track.html > > It is not music related but more about the mechanics and buisness of > looping. It is cool in a "history channel at 2 oclock in the moring when I > cant sleepy " kind of way. > I don't understand; it had >nothing< to do with the holocaust. bIz Tellme. Movies, Stock quotes. Nifty. 1.800.555.TELL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 23:12:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30626; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301bff841$c4655080$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F312@coco.cinteractive.com> Subject: Re: VJPro ordering advice Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:13:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, but I can't find any mention of that product on that website. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: VJPro ordering advice > Just wanted to know if any of you own the product VJPro (VJamm, but the > non-demo version). I'm incredibly excited about it, but the company that > makes it (Cambridge A.R.T. -- www.camart.co.uk) doesn't accept credit cards. > They say it costs $557 in U.S. Dollars and I can give them the money through > an international money order or SWIFT transfer. So here are the questions: > > If you have VJPro -- what do you think of it? Does it have all the features > that they state it does on the site? (If so, I'd pay just about anything for > it!) > Did the international ordering process work smoothly with Cambridge A.R.T.? > Did they get the product to you reasonably quickly? > > I'm just concerned because if they're not legit then I'd be out a good chunk > of moulah... > > Thanks for any help you can offer!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jul 27 23:39:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31169; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601bff844$eef59640$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F312@coco.cinteractive.com> <005301bff841$c4655080$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: VJPro ordering advice Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:35:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Sorry, but I can't find any mention of that product on that website. Weirdly there is no link at the toplevel URL mentioned earlier. I searched elsewhere and and ended up here, slightly deeper: http://www.camart.co.uk/vjpro/ -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 01:25:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00426; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000728012040.006c1748@mailbox103.utcc.utoronto.ca> X-Sender: p.rourke@mailbox103.utcc.utoronto.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:20:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Rourke Subject: Does anyone have information about the BOSS DE-200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! I bought an old Boss DE-200 rack mount digital delay from a friend, and I use it for echo and other effects for my bass. The unit is pretty easy to use, and I particularly enjoy the hold function as it allows me to play a (very) short bass riff and then solo over it. On the back of the unit there are several places to plug in controller pedals; the bypass and hold ones are pretty self-explanatory, and very useful, but I would like to know about the "RHYTHM SYNC." function. Does anyone know what this does? How do I use it? What sort of pedals do I need to buy? The two places to plug in are labelled "FOOT SW (DP-2)" and "TRIG. IN" Any help at all would be greatly appreciated; the guy I bought this thing from didn't have the manual and doesn't know anything at all about it. Thanks a lot, Pat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 01:34:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00840; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:28:47 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Does anyone have information about the BOSS DE-200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000728012040.006c1748@mailbox103.utcc.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_TLm-D.A.qM.7rRg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Patrick Rourke wrote: > I bought an old Boss DE-200 rack mount digital delay from a friend, and I > use it for echo and other effects for my bass. The unit is pretty easy to > use, and I particularly enjoy the hold function as it allows me to play a > (very) short bass riff and then solo over it. Yeah, it's useful for that sort of thing. It's about what I use mine for. > On the back of the unit there are several places to plug in controller > pedals; the bypass and hold ones are pretty self-explanatory, and very > useful, but I would like to know about the "RHYTHM SYNC." function. Does > anyone know what this does? How do I use it? What sort of pedals do I need > to buy? The two places to plug in are labelled "FOOT SW (DP-2)" and "TRIG. IN" The "Rhythm sync" is supposedly so you can plug some sort of drum machine pulse into it, from what I understand; I've never bothered to use that feature. For the pedals, any standard 'on/off' switch will do just fine, one for bypass and one for sample/hold. > Any help at all would be greatly appreciated; the guy I bought this thing > from didn't have the manual and doesn't know anything at all about it. Boss doesn't seem to know much about it; I went through hell trying to get a power cable for mine, and ended up taking it to a thrift store and spending a couple hours digging through masses of cable before discovering some that work. I thankfully now have two. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.reverendrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 04:02:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02679; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301bff869$2f952020$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:55:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone, >It must be clear now that there is no ideal feature set that will please >everyone. Judging by the messages on the list, it seems that most people >are delighted by their EDPs. While I wouldn't turn one down, it lacks >some very important features for me. While we're compiling a feature wish list, let me add my 2 cents of looping dreams: - SCSI Interface to save and restore the loops - feedback values > 100% (like the old Roland SpaceEchos), combined with a compressor/tape saturation modeller per loop - an external effects insert, to be able to insert something weird into the feedback loop (like a pitch shifter for a long loop that goes up a semitone each time the loop comes around, like the stuff by the old loopmaster J.S.Bach in his chromatic kanons). - lots of buttons on the floorboard. buttons for selecting the "active" loop (of the 4 independent ones on the repeater), record/overdub, start/stop and oneshot/retrigger. And the start/stop button can be configured to act as a mute button. And of course start/stop or mute/unmute can be configured to use programmable fade in/outs... Regards, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 04:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03033; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000728081009.15396.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: New Repeater Info To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com at...http://www.electrixpro.com/ Make sure you check out the blow-up images of the front & back panels. This thing is looking better & better. Might this thing be akin to a JamMan with the Bob Sellon upgrade? I wants one. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 06:41:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04235; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01bff87e$884a4640$56d99b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex in Germany? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:08:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Danilo I know what you mean, ive been asking for the echoplex since 3 years ago and they swear that i am dreaming its impossible then they show me the akai headrush as an alternative! Wo wohnst du? Gruß Luis > Hello, > > I am so happy I found this website and mailinglist on the web. I was > desperately looking for something like the Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro > and everybody told me something like this doesn't exist. Now I read that > Gibson manufactures the Echoplex again. > > Can anyone tell me when the Gibson Echoplex will be available in Germany? > The german distributor of Gibson hardly knows anything about this. But I > want to have this machine soon! Does anyone know what it will cost? > > Greetings from Germany > > Danilo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 10:10:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07299; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Mark.Kunzmann@stud.unibas.ch Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:06:37 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex in Germany? In-reply-to: Sender: Mark.Kunzmann@stud.unibas.ch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Mark.Kunzmann@stud.unibas.ch Message-id: <0FYE00503V71GR@stud.unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know about Germany, but the Swiss distributor promises to ship an initial batch around September. The list price will be steep though, around Sfr. 2k (so a DM price of around 3300 seems likely). I'll let you know when the promise is fulfilled... happy hunting, Mark > Hello, > > I am so happy I found this website and mailinglist on the web. I was > desperately looking for something like the Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro > and everybody told me something like this doesn't exist. Now I read that > Gibson manufactures the Echoplex again. > > Can anyone tell me when the Gibson Echoplex will be available in Germany? > The german distributor of Gibson hardly knows anything about this. But I > want to have this machine soon! Does anyone know what it will cost? > > Greetings from Germany > > Danilo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 10:33:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07931; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000728092633.01c94880@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:28:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: New Repeater Info In-Reply-To: <20000728081009.15396.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell (03:10 AM 07.28.2000) wrote: >at...http://www.electrixpro.com/ > >Make sure you check out the blow-up images of the >front & back panels. This thing is looking better & >better. Might this thing be akin to a JamMan with >the Bob Sellon upgrade? Electrix looked long and hard at the stock and expanded JamMan during the design of the Repeater. If folks missed it before in the text that from me was forwarded to the list, if you have a control/editor template for the JamMan now, you'll find that it'll work with the Repeater. >I wants one. Yeup. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 11:40:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09099; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:45:15 -0700 Subject: Re: New Repeater Info From: Kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000728081009.15396.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3047618715_189912_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3047618715_189912_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wow. We just checked out the Repeater Webster. This sounds awesome. Best, Roctologists From: John Tidwell Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers Delight Subject: New Repeater Info Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400 http://www.electrixpro.com/ --MS_Mac_OE_3047618715_189912_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Re: New Repeater Info Wow.

We just checked out the Repeater Webster.  This sounds awesome.

Best,
Roctologists

From: John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: New Repeater Info
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400

http://www.electrixpro.com/
 --MS_Mac_OE_3047618715_189912_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 11:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09663; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:56:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:56:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000728081009.15396.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:44:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Wow. > >We just checked out the Repeater Webster. This sounds awesome. > >Best, >Roctologists I'm gonna second that! I just sold one of my 32sec. jamman's on ebay (yes, they paid more than they should have...) I wonder where that cash is going to gravitate towards later this year? hmmmmm.... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 12:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10184; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:21:23 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Repeater Info References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------325E77CD9467554764E95769" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------325E77CD9467554764E95769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin wrote: > Wow. > > We just checked out the Repeater Webster. This sounds awesome. Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what I see on the pics. Yes! Robert > > > Best, > Roctologists > > > From: John Tidwell > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: New Repeater Info > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400 > > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ --------------325E77CD9467554764E95769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin wrote:
Wow.

We just checked out the Repeater Webster.  This sounds awesome.

Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what I see on the pics.
Yes!

Robert

 

Best,
Roctologists

 
From: John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: New Repeater Info
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400
 
http://www.electrixpro.com/
--------------325E77CD9467554764E95769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 13:08:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11366; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:07:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:07:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F332@coco.cinteractive.com> From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boston Loopers? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:06:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3JywbD.A.nwC.71bg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Correct me or add stuff here if you all have more experience at this than I do, but I would describe video jamming/video jockeying as doing exactly what a DJ does for audio, but with images and/or audio. What this means is real-time multimedia collaging, making images dynamically appear (preferably in large-scale formats such as projections) in order to create a certain mood , a vibe, whatever. For example, in august I'm going to (equipment willing) perform with a DJ who will be doing the audio side. I'll be creating the images and video loops beforehand (just as a DJ starts off with certain raw materials -- my friend's going to bring all sorts of old records & found sounds) and then we'll perform together, work off the directions the other person takes, etc. to make a unique performance. Does that help to explain it? I'm pretty new to this stuff, but I heard the term "video jockeying" and "video jamming" and am basically giving you my idea of what I think it is... Catherine -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boston Loopers? Hey Catherine, >I'm in Boston -- just starting out with video jamming. Would like to hear >what you're up to, if you'd be interested in combining your sounds with >images... Can you describe "video jamming?" Thanks! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 13:18:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11677; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601bff8b6$ffb93f50$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Technical history of the loop Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >... >i found this site. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dmorton/8track.html >... >Thanks and enjoy or not, Enjoyed! Thanks! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 15:27:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14749; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:25:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:25:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:24:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! MAke offer regards..c.,white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 15:38:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15240; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01bff8cb$ca59de40$ecda56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:41:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZE9QB.A.ZtD.BCeg5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What the heck are those? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: magicicada@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! >Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! MAke offer >regards..c.,white > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 15:43:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15577; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:41:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:41:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:41:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They are Synths one is a modular patchable rakc job..I b uilt the kit myself.. the other is also and i modded and built it myself....they are awesome! love c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jul 28 15:50:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15437; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:39:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:39:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000728143706.00d38790@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:38:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Blacet Modulars and Paia Fatman for sale! In-Reply-To: <00ff01bff8cb$ca59de40$ecda56d1@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Clifford@BienAppraisers (02:41 PM 07.28.2000) wrote: >What the heck are those? John Blacet makes things just to the left of "ordinary": http://www.blacet.com/ PAiA has been making things for a long time: http://www.paia.com/fatman.htm Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 29 01:46:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23362; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:44:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:44:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39826FC2.F93C0A20@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:46:42 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Kyma References: <200007281410.KAA07422@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, My Kyma system arrived yesterday - it's deep! Anyway since there are a number of users here I was wondering if anyone has any pre-made delay set-ups I could mess about with to get me going? Cheers, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 29 09:05:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26384; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801bff95e$9d368060$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: Subject: knitting factory Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:12:13 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF93D.15756680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF93D.15756680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to post this on Loopers: Im a soul jazz organist playing at = the Knitting Factory Aug 6th at 10pm with a quartet and featured = vocalist. I would like to invite any New Yorkers to come hear us and = support Live organ jazz !! Were in the KnitActive Sound Stage, hope to = see you there!! thanks organist lonnie gasperini.... ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF93D.15756680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to post this on Loopers: = Im a soul=20 jazz organist playing at the Knitting Factory Aug 6th at 10pm with a = quartet and=20 featured vocalist. I would like to invite any New Yorkers to come hear = us and=20 support Live organ jazz !! Were in the KnitActive Sound Stage, hope to = see you=20 there!! thanks organist lonnie gasperini....
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF93D.15756680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 29 15:17:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30132; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701bff990$d37c2a80$48ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #175 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:11:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #175 July 27, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on California musician Craig Padilla. The feature CD at Midnight was "The Eye of the Storm" on the See Peace label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Syndrone] Avonlea A Groove Selection (Groove) VA [Steve Hug] Timespace Victory The Best of Manikin Records (Manikin) Paul Ellis Part 2 Appears to Vanish (Neu Harmony) Max Corbacho Primigenial Frontier Far Beyond the Immobile Point (none) Max Corbacho Predawn Darkness Far Beyond the Immobile Point (none) Max Corbacho The Threshold Far Beyond the Immobile Point (none) Michael Stearns Dark Passage Splash (Groove) Robert Rich Steel Harmonics Humidity (Hypnos) 12:00 am Craig Padilla Angel The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) Craig Padilla Vast Emotions The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) Craig Padilla The Gift The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) Craig Padilla One The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) Craig Padilla Night Rain The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) Craig Padilla The Eye of the Storm * The Eye of the Storm (See Peace) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on space music pioneer Michael Sterans. The feature CD at midnight will be "Ancient Leaves" on the Groove label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jul 29 16:17:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31492; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201bff99b$6be85aa0$2c084cd5@Win98> From: "hefi" To: References: <36.90da213.26ad1fa0@aol.com> <003b01bff564$a9de0de0$0f01a8c0@luca> Subject: Odp: edp restarting itself Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:25:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I think I have a similar problem from time to time . Where in Europe could I have my edp repeared ? Which elements inside the machine should be cleaned .I going to ask some electronic technician to do it for me . Hefi hefi@go2.pl ----- Original Message ----- From: lucafeed To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: R: edp restarting itself > Maybe I was one of those talking of problems like the ones you are telling > about (plus some others). > I have had to send my edp both to Usa support (Shane Radtke) and to Europe > ones (Andy Ewen), plus I have discussed the problem with some of you. > The amazing thing was that it seems the cause of these non-regular problems > on the edp can be found in some bad connections of the circuitry inside the > machine (memories etc.). > I have had all my problems fixed and I have to say the both Shane and Andy > have been the most helpful and concretely kind people one can find. > If I had to find a new problem like the one you are telling about, I would > bring my edp to a good electronic technician to check all the connections > now that it is out of warranty. > > Good Luck, > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:27 AM > Subject: edp restarting itself > > > > my edp is occasionally restarting itself when i power it up....it will > > restart itself 2..3....4 times then it seems to stabilize most of the > > time.....sometimes it will just lock up and a #(ussaly 9) or a letter > > (usually L) will be the only thing on the led....sometimes it just goes > > totally blank.......sometimes it works perfectly. > > > > i seem to recall others having this problem.....any advice to cure this > > problem > > > > thanks > > brian > > electric bird noise > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 30 18:58:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21069; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tiit Kikas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: New EDP???!!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:53:40 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear loopers, how can I buy new EDP and how much does it cost? I'm in a hurry! Thanks a lot! Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 30 19:52:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21884; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501bffa81$1048e0c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:51:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFFA5F.88988FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFFA5F.88988FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! Is there an official = release date, or is it still just "Fall 2000"? Peter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert van der Kamp=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Kevin wrote:=20 Wow.=20 We just checked out the Repeater Webster. This sounds awesome. Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what I see on the pics.=20 Yes!=20 Robert=20 =20 Best,=20 Roctologists=20 =20 From: John Tidwell =20 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT)=20 To: Loopers Delight =20 Subject: New Repeater Info=20 Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400=20 =20 http://www.electrixpro.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFFA5F.88988FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on = this=20 thing!  Is there an official release date, or is it still just = "Fall=20 2000"?
 
 
Peter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robert van der = Kamp=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 = 12:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: New Repeater = Info

Kevin wrote:=20
Wow.=20

We just checked out the Repeater Webster.  This sounds=20 awesome.

Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what I = see on=20 the pics.
Yes!=20

Robert=20

 =20

Best,
Roctologists=20


From: John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com>=20
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
To:=20 Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> =
Subject:=20 New Repeater Info
Resent-From:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Resent-Date: Fri, 28 = Jul=20 2000 04:10:10 -0400
 
http://www.electrixpro.com/=
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFFA5F.88988FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 30 20:26:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22456; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3984C77A.C167DC2@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:25:30 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Repeater Info References: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> <002501bffa81$1048e0c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! Is there an official > release date, or is it still just "Fall 2000"? > I think the website says November 2000. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jul 30 20:58:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22940; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:53:25 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New EDP???!!! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6IR4-.A.glF.d6Mh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:53 PM -0700 7/30/00, Tiit Kikas wrote: >Dear loopers, >how can I buy new EDP and how much does it cost? >I'm in a hurry! >Thanks a lot! > contact Gibson to find a dealer near you. try Gibson's Echoplex sales rep, Gil Pini , 1-800-544-2766 x217 or (847) 741-7315 x217. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 03:09:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26048; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: switters@earthlink.net Message-ID: <398533DB.4197357B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:07:57 -0700 Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DAW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I could use this forum's renowned expert advice on a seriously vexing question. I'm currently using the moribund Opcode VisionDSP platform on a Mac Powerbook G3 400 (bronze). I need some insight into the pros and cons of the remaining players (Mac only- so no Cakewalk). I'm currently considering: -Emagic Logic Audio (gold) -Steinberg Cubase VST 5.0 VST/32 ( Competitive upgrade- if available in the near future) also any VST/24 comments are welcome. -MOTU Digital Performer (competitive upgrade) I'm interested in the following issues: -dongles and related problems (also solutions: such as the griffin Imate for ADB to USB) -mixing environments -audio performance (any problems example: the alleged zipper noise in Cubase...etc) -Included plugins- particularly Compressors and EQ's -Stability -Future support (read as Company's viability; a sensitive issue after the Opcode failure) The merits of these platforms are evident so there is no need for a flame war over which is better. I'm only interest in which is right for my purposes (how's that for diplomacy). As the Bartles and James pitch-men used to say "thank you for your support" Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 04:21:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27258; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:20:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:20:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:19:45 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Moog Endless will stop in Aug. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Our Real Video streaming project "Moog Endless" will stop in this Aug. System 55 will going to repair. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html We will tell the info again when System 55 is back. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 06:08:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28011; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001bffa72$436261c0$672a6ccb@oemcomputer> From: "pierre ambroisine" To: Subject: remove me from any mail list Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:28:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFFAB0.17D3AE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFFAB0.17D3AE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dont know how i ended up on this list. Although i am interested in the = subjects talked about i would realy appreciate it if i was no longer = sent 50,000,000 e-mails a day. Kindly delete my address from any list. = thank you=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFFAB0.17D3AE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dont know how i ended up on this list. Although i am = interested in the subjects talked about i would realy appreciate it if i = was no=20 longer sent 50,000,000 e-mails a day. Kindly delete my address from = any=20 list. thank you
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFFAB0.17D3AE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 07:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28581; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: <62.5d1140d.26b6b5a8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:57:44 EDT Subject: Re: New EDP???!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You won't even have to go to a Gibson dealer. Any store that carries Gibson strings and accessories will be able to get you one. The problem is, you won't get one in a hurry. I've ordered one through the store I work for and have not received it yet. That was a month ago. I've got the paperwork at work. If I remember, I will look up the price for you. Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 13:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06394; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:08:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:08:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:07:08 -0700 Subject: Re: DAW From: Andrew Pask To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <398533DB.4197357B@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: switters@earthlink.net > Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:07:57 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: DAW > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:31:27 -0400 > > The merits of these platforms are evident so there is no need for a > flame war over which is better. I'm only interest in which is right for > my purposes (how's that for diplomacy). As the Bartles and James > pitch-men used to say "thank you for your support" > Best, Sean And those purposes are? It's not really oranges and apples, only broken apples and not so broken apples, depending on your point of view, of course. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 13:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06814; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:20:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01bffb13$36e15270$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200007281410.KAA07422@hemlock.violacea.com> <39826FC2.F93C0A20@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re:Kyma Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:17:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congratulations Gareth! Yes! Kyma is the deepest I've seen. I'd live/eat/sleep with that manual for a good long while! I have some Sounds I've written for Kyma that I'd be pleased to send you. I want to polish them up a little first. Do you plan on using your system live or in-studio (or both)? Do you have an EDP? Several of my Sounds communicate between the Kyma and EDPs. I am hugely biased toward both EDPs and Kyma. IMHO, the EDP is first-rate regarding the user interface. I never realized how good it is until I tried looping purely on the Kyma. I found that I depended a lot on the EDP display to tell me what is happening. E.g., I press RECORD, then look at the EDP to confirm I'm really recording; likewise, with OVERDUB, MULTIPLY, etc. Also, I use the EDP time/sync display tell me where I am. On the other hand, the EDP is a closed system. It does what it does and ONLY what it does. So the EDP is great for building up loops, not so good for post-construction mangling. The Kyma is not so good for loop-construction, but fabulous for mangling. Even a basic Kyma system supports four channels. My solution is to view the EDPs as input devices to the Kyma system. I can use the EDP normally, building up a loop through whatever complexity I want. Then I can tap a switch and capture that loop into the Kyma. Optionally, after loop capture I can specify that the EDP should be muted, the current loop cleared, or all loops cleared. I intend to have a Kyma Sound to move a loop from Kyma into the EDP but I haven't written it yet. Not to say you can't loop purely in Kyma-land. It's just that I miss the nifty EDP interface/display. The combination works great! For example, I have Sounds that let me slave Kyma loops to the EDP. So the EDP acts as the master sync source with the Kyma loops synchronized to the EDP. I do this by using one EDP to build up my sync track, then I use the footswitch of my second EDP purely to control the Kyma (I'm shopping for a MIDI footswitch), creating the slave loops directly on the Kyma system. So I have four loops, the master from the EDP, and three slave loops. I have four speakers in a quad set-up with each loop in a different speaker. Then I have a "ClapDetector" (no, it's not a medical thing! it's a Kyma Sound of mine) control the quad panning. Each time I clap my hands (or hit my claves, etc), the sounds rotate. The faster I clap, the faster they rotate. Big time fun! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 13:46:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07292; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008f01bffb13$36e15270$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200007281410.KAA07422@hemlock.violacea.com> <39826FC2.F93C0A20@dial.pipex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:33:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re:Kyma Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis... do you have a day job? a signficant other? if so, are you using some sort of time-stretching device to add hours to the day? wow. rich >Not to say you can't loop purely in Kyma-land. It's just that I miss the >nifty >EDP interface/display. The combination works great! For example, I have >Sounds >that let me slave Kyma loops to the EDP. So the EDP acts as the master sync >source with the Kyma loops synchronized to the EDP. I do this by using >one EDP >to build up my sync track, then I use the footswitch of my second EDP >purely to >control the Kyma (I'm shopping for a MIDI footswitch), creating the slave >loops >directly on the Kyma system. So I have four loops, the master from the >EDP, and >three slave loops. I have four speakers in a quad set-up with each loop in a >different speaker. Then I have a "ClapDetector" (no, it's not a medical >thing! >it's a Kyma Sound of mine) control the quad panning. Each time I clap my >hands >(or hit my claves, etc), the sounds rotate. The faster I clap, the faster >they >rotate. Big time fun! > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 14:35:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08106; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Message-ID: <0056910006310205000002L152*@MHS> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 07/31/00 13:33:23" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA08056 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you Kyma fans look into the possibilities of the Eventide equipment? Although not as open as the Kyma system it is remarkably open in allowing construction of FX in a PC based graphical editor. Does anyone elso out there have experience with the DSP4000/7000 series processors, either as loopers/samplers or as "plain" effects? Regards, K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 15:18:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09075; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601bffb25$47f714c0$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: References: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> <002501bffa81$1048e0c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <3984C77A.C167DC2@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:26:52 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <9isWfB.A.5MC.tBdh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:25 PM Subject: Re: New Repeater Info > > Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! Is there an official > > release date, or is it still just "Fall 2000"? > > I think the website says November 2000. > > > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 15:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09247; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:19:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:19:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01bffb25$ac893c60$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: References: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> <002501bffa81$1048e0c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:29:41 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFFB04.252B5120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFFB04.252B5120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An official release date for what? my new Cd? lonnie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Shindler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on this thing! Is there an official = release date, or is it still just "Fall 2000"? =20 Peter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert van der Kamp=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: New Repeater Info Kevin wrote:=20 Wow.=20 We just checked out the Repeater Webster. This sounds awesome. Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what I see on the pics.=20 Yes!=20 Robert=20 =20 Best,=20 Roctologists=20 From: John Tidwell =20 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT)=20 To: Loopers Delight =20 Subject: New Repeater Info=20 Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:10:10 -0400=20 =20 http://www.electrixpro.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFFB04.252B5120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An official release date for what? my = new Cd?=20 lonnie
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Shindler
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 = 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: New Repeater = Info

Oy, I can't wait to get my hands on = this=20 thing!  Is there an official release date, or is it still just = "Fall=20 2000"?
 
 
Peter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Robert van = der Kamp=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com= =20
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 = 12:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: New Repeater = Info

Kevin wrote:=20
Wow.=20

We just checked out the Repeater Webster.  This sounds=20 awesome.

Indeed. An the thing is *stereo* from what = I see on=20 the pics.
Yes!=20

Robert=20

 =20

Best,
Roctologists=20


From: John Tidwell <wedgehed@yahoo.com>=20
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:10:09 -0700 (PDT) =
To:=20 Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>=20
Subject: New Repeater Info
Resent-From:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Resent-Date: Fri, = 28 Jul=20 2000 04:10:10 -0400
 
http://www.electrixpro.com/=
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BFFB04.252B5120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 15:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09451; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000731142019.00dfc100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:21:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: New Repeater Info In-Reply-To: <002601bffb25$47f714c0$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> References: <3981B303.D38B9131@wxs.nl> <002501bffa81$1048e0c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <3984C77A.C167DC2@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9wFUZD.A.JTC.5Gdh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Orlando Gasperini (02:26 PM 07.31.2000) wrote: >What thing? The new Repeater from Electrix: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 16:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10950; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:44:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:44:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3984B7F0.822E7CF9@cstone.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:19:13 +0000 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Mint Boomerang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8dHPQ.A.XqC.lTeh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well folks, trying to raise some cash. FS: Boomerang Phrase Sampler. You know it: http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ http://www.boomerangmusic.com/manual.htm http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Boomerang/Phrase_Sampler-01.html Asking $350 + shipping. Includes manual, power supply, original box. Pre-pay via US Postal money order. I have references--in Analog Heaven's Archives. (Ask Mark Pulver-- No don't, he's waaaaaay too busy :-)) Don't forget, there's an upgrade to be released soon, bringing the 'Rang very much closer to Echoplex territory! TIA , John Hunter Black Lotus Sound Tel: 804-971-7208 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 17:09:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11702; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:06:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:06:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000731160421.00de61a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:05:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: FS: Mint Boomerang! In-Reply-To: <3984B7F0.822E7CF9@cstone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Hunter (06:19 PM 07.30.2000) wrote: >(Ask Mark Pulver-- No don't, he's waaaaaay too busy :-)) I gotta get me a big red light that goes off or make my pager fire when folks drop my name into email on all these lists I'm on. :) John's way cool folks... Deal with him without cause for concern. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 17:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12094; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000731211918.60332.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [213.45.220.145] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:19:18 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi K. I'm actually working with an Eventide Orville, after 4 years with a DSP4000...well this new box is just amazing; the 7000 is half Orville without the 3 minutes sampling/Looping memory. My Orville has 87 sec + 173sec of delay/looping/sampling memory. The box is like 8 DSP4500 plus the sampler board or 2 DSP7000. I can do anything I can Imagine with it, including mastering cds...like having 2 TC Finalizers Plus or a Monster supercharged one...This is the best...I wrote hundreds and hundreds of programs with the eventide boxes, many of them are very well known by Scott Gilfix, brain/stickist at Eventide...let's trade some programs if you like... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 18:58:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13546; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:38:00 +0200 Subject: Roland SPD-11 From: Marco To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0KJQiD.A.TTD.Y-fh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As usual I'm here asking informations. I'm trying to find in the web a manual of the Roland SPD-11. But I can't find it. Does anyone know something? Thanks (as usual) marco From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 19:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14022; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:00:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:00:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101bffb42$d1785200$5cf538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <20000731211918.60332.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:58:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Would you mind telling us more about your Orville please? In Australia only top level studio's can justify Eventide as its too expensive and has lower perceived second hand value compared to Lexicon and TC Electronic. Before people talk about the reverb comparisons between Lex and Eventide Lexicon PCM's have always been popular but around $6000 + pc cards too expensive, TC Electronic is deemed to be offering more innovative products than Lexicon in the last couple of years. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: italo de angelis To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma > Hi K. I'm actually working with an Eventide Orville, after 4 years with a > DSP4000...well this new box is just amazing; the 7000 is half Orville > without the 3 minutes sampling/Looping memory. > My Orville has 87 sec + 173sec of delay/looping/sampling memory. > The box is like 8 DSP4500 plus the sampler board or 2 DSP7000. > I can do anything I can Imagine with it, including mastering cds...like > having 2 TC Finalizers Plus or a Monster supercharged one...This is the > best...I wrote hundreds and hundreds of programs with the eventide boxes, > many of them are very well known by Scott Gilfix, brain/stickist at > Eventide...let's trade some programs if you like... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 19:10:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14403; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:04:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: more loopers in New York City Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in the second half of the Bunker:Extreme series, we have: World of Tomorrow is a propulsive group somewhere between free jazz and space-rock. glitch is a loopy spacey ambient duo, from the Looper's Delight mailing list in fact. my solo act is voice and electronic wind instrument and loops and oh-so-many effects and perhaps some surprises. this is my first solo show in North America in over three years. World of Tomorrow - 10 PM Tom Ritchford - 11 PM Glitch - randomly $5!!! Knit Active SoundStage at The Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St., NYC ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jul 31 23:09:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18053; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: switters@earthlink.net Message-ID: <39866CC9.FC229019@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:23:14 -0700 Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Videodelic References: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F306@coco.cinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Catie or anyone else interested in the visual component of performance might be interested in this: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/Videodelic-Released.html apparently some sort of realtime visual performance medium with audio/MIDI sync. enjoy, sean