From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 01:00:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04420; Mon, 1 May 2000 01:00:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:00:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390CD8BA.A05D77D6@vtx.ch> References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390CD8BA.A05D77D6@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:30:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"GBUAC1.0.4p7.iRG3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: >> >> | | >> | /| > > - | / | + > > EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX >> |\ | | >> | \ | | >> | \| | + >> | | ------- >> ----------- >> | > > | - > > | >> | / >> |/ >> / >> / >> >> The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. > >sorry Mathias > >I can solder but thats all... > >can you comment on the parts (cap type ; microF or miliF and where are >the + & - on the diagram no problem: MiliFarad is not used, and would be m, so MF is microFarad. To fit into the connector, it take its an electrolytic. Thats why (by some standard) one line is longer than the other - the negative pole, going to ground. Its voltage can be as low as 6,3V, but higher is ok, just makes the part bigger. There are also Tantal caps of this size. I dont use them because I made the experience that they die sooner, but I may be wrong, its an interesting option since you may not use that cable more than 5 years :-). The diode is a standard like 1N4148 and on one side of its glass housing there is a line which corresponds to the negative side, the line in its symbol, on the left in the drawing. >this mod looks great yes, I liked the idea, too. Could go into the FAQs or so... Kim? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 04:47:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21658; Mon, 1 May 2000 04:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:47:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bfb345$400ef2a0$39986dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <003f01bfb18f$32cd0580$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <005901bfb20e$71a18400$15011eac@CIRDAN> <005001bfb255$ebee71e0$3f996dcb@music> <00a401bfb2d2$b2f462a0$9183abd4@h2v6p1> Subject: Re: general digital recording query (for Simon Kean) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:14:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"rKfo51.0.yz4.W0K3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tend to only use two analog inputs at a time, recording to a single stereo track in CEP, as I tend to work alone on my tunes. Not sure how many simultaneous input signals at once CEP can handle, but you can assign the input on the track settings. My recording process usually starts with drums, which are all pre-recorded loops either from sample cd's, the web or I may use a recording from mini disk, which is usually of a friend who has the nastiest trashy sounding kit i've heard. Use my Behringer MX602A mixer to handle input signals (DI for bass, Sansamp Classic/Zoom 9150 for Guitar, SM58 for vocals), and effect to "taste" using DX plugins. I tend to usually commit to effects on guitars when tracking though, with a touch of EQ adjustment when done. Haven't used keyboards on any recordings yet, and don't even own a synth, so haven't bothered to use Sequencing software (ie; Cakewalk, Cubase). I have an additional 8 gig hard disk purely for my tunes and samples. Need to upgrade the soundcard (SB Live), but fairly happy with the results i've obtained thus far with CEP. My understanding is the Logic Audio may be pretty tasty too...but haven't gotten around to playing with that yet. Hope this info is of use. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: luca To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:30 AM Subject: R: general digital recording query (for Simon Kean) > How many analog inputs do you use ? > Do you use an additional H.disk? > Luca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Simon Kean > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: general digital recording query > > > > Just a personal recommendation on this thread. I use my PC as a Digital > > Audio Workstation, but don't need MIDI/Sequencing functionality, and use > > Cool Edit Pro 1.2. I like the simplicity and the layout. Plus I like the > > fact it doubles as a sound file or track editor and has multitrack window, > > all within the click of an Icon. Also supports DX plugins which works for > > me. > > > > Just my $0.02. > > > > Cheers > > > > Simes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael LaMeyer > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:09 AM > > Subject: Re: general digital recording query > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > It doesn't sound like you're going to want Cakewalk for digital audio, > > it's > > > primarily a MIDI sequencer for sythesizers (which it's fine at). If you > > > have Acid and you're comfortable with that, Sonic Foundry also a > > > multi-tracker called Vegas. However, it has functionality you might not > > > want or need. You can check out www.harmony-central.com and check out > > the > > > demos in the software section for a broad idea of what's out there. The > > > shareware music machine also has a number of these: > www.hitsquad.com/smm/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Shindler" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:58 PM > > > Subject: general digital recording query > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to distract y'all from the Napster and "can chicks loop?" > threads > > > > (both of which I'm enjoying immensely, keep it coming), but here's > > > something > > > > that's on my mind. > > > > > > > > I've just been introduced to the world of digital recording by a > friend > > > > who's letting me borrow his Roland VS-840 Digital Workstation. I've > > been > > > > having a blast playing around with it, especially mixing-and-matching > my > > > own > > > > guitar loops and noises with Acid and FruityLoops drum sounds. > However, > > > it > > > > occurred to me that most of the cut-and-paste functions I've been > > messing > > > > with would be much easier if the whole process was done on my PC. So > > now > > > > I'm considering buying a package like Cakewalk, and I'm wondering: Is > a > > > > program like that really comparable to a stand-alone recording unit? > > What > > > > does the Roland do that a good software program cannot? And aside > from > > > > Cakewalk, what other programs should I be checking out? > > > > > > > > Thanks. I'm sure I'm asking the right people (just keep it clean!). > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 05:05:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23148; Mon, 1 May 2000 05:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 05:05:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390D4817.7C3D551D@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:02:15 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: ibanez dm1100 delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lDr4J3.0.-a5.ZWK3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eeeeeeeeeeeee ! please forgive the pawn shop prize gush peoples but i had no idea this thing even existed ... picked up an old Ibanez DM1100 for $70 today ... what a fantastic piece of ye-olde loop history ... 0.04 to 3.6 seconds of glorious 8-bit (i guess) delay with variable top end cut or boost(!), analog knobs, -=wide=- d-time modulation and -- everyone's favourite -- a hold('n'loop) function! why the hell did they stop making these? \begin{homer} mmmmmmm ... gear acquisition syndrome relapse \end{homer} From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 05:09:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23664; Mon, 1 May 2000 05:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 05:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01bfb34c$1b1dfde0$1d81bcd4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Echoplex Request Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:03:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"i6eWX1.0.Pc5.UXK3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, My first post to the list in some time... I am currently looking for a second-hand Echoplex (no laughing please!) but have so far been unsuccessful in securing one of these beasties. My recent attempt to purchase from E-Bay ended in disaster as my browser locked-up and I lost out to a lower bidder - Doh! I live in the UK but will pay the appropriate shipping costs to anyone who can help me out. The most frustrating thing is that 'Trace Elliot' are producing the new 'plex only a few miles up the road, but these won't be available to purchase here for several months... Frankly I've waited long enough, so if any fellow loopers can help I will be eternally grateful :-) BTW, I'll pay the going rate, which is about $1,000,000 isn't it? (Only kidding, but I will pay a fair amount for a good unit.) Thanks. I'll take any replies off-list to save on bandwidth. Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 13:05:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32083; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005011652.LAA25835@mw2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: ibanez dm1100 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"V9VrC2.0.iU7.IPR3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah they are pretty cool. found one for $60.00 bout a year ago. i still use the plex and jamman mostly. but the DM1100 can get fun with the ole footswitch.. they do seem to pull sharp after awhile however.. cool find have fun james At 07:02 PM 5/1/00 +1000, you wrote: > >eeeeeeeeeeeee ! > >please forgive the pawn shop prize gush peoples but i had no idea this >thing even existed ... > >picked up an old Ibanez DM1100 for $70 today ... what a fantastic piece >of ye-olde loop history ... 0.04 to 3.6 seconds of glorious 8-bit (i >guess) delay with variable top end cut or boost(!), analog knobs, >-=wide=- d-time modulation and -- everyone's favourite -- a >hold('n'loop) function! why the hell did they stop making these? > >\begin{homer} mmmmmmm ... gear acquisition syndrome relapse \end{homer} > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 13:08:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32373; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfb387$bc998dc0$c02329c8@marcelo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcelo_Garz=F3n?= To: Subject: X-15 Setup: A FREEWARE utility to configure the ART X-15 UltraFoot Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:41:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"nui-C1.0.p87.0BR3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, 'X-15 Setup' is a freeware utility that will allow you to configure the ART X-15 UltraFoot from your PC. The first release of the 'X-15 Setup' utility is already available in www.geocities.com/x15setup May be you will have to fight with my poor English (I'm from Argentina), but, without doubts, the program can facilitate you the things. bye... /* Marcelo Garzón mfgarzon@elsitio.net */ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 13:42:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04003; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390DC00D.CADB27E4@best.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:34:05 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? References: <7b.36c3712.263c3162@aol.com> <004501bfb1fd$e2ad6580$97310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fO-X.0.zi.22S3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Two female loopers that come to mind are Jamie Seber (vocal, electric cello) and Christine Laven (vocal, guitar) - I hope I got the spelling correct in both names. Seber has played a lot with Feron and Nina Gerber - the three of them together is a show not to be missed. In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? I would venture a guess that looping is not necessarily for males only, but since women tend to rely more on their talent and men on machines, there are probably more male loopers than female. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 14:22:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08537; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:22:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:15:17 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ahoeltje@best.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Resent-Message-ID: <"NdKKd1.0.Xt1.QeS3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's interesting to note that in most instances in this thread, that no matter how perceptive the observation, there's usually one presumtuous and invalidating blanket statement made. > Allan Hoeltje 05/01 10:39 AM > > Two female loopers that come to mind are Jamie Seber (vocal, electric cello) and Christine Laven (vocal, guitar) - I hope I got the spelling correct in both names. Seber has played a lot with Feron and Nina Gerber - the three of them together is a show not to be missed. In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? Useful observation and not presuming too much... >>> I would venture a guess that looping is not necessarily for males only, but since women tend to rely more on their talent and men on machines, there are probably more male loopers than female. <<< -Allan There ya go... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 14:58:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12124; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:58:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bfb39e$69b77a60$7cb8aec7@wk1> From: "DTRohr" To: References: <000201bfb387$bc998dc0$c02329c8@marcelo> Subject: New List Member Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:52:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"lyDOs3.0.-r2.eBT3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there! I just joined the list. I found the URL at TalkBass.com in an e-mail from Michael Manring where he suggested this as a good point of interest. The web-site is very informative and will start to dive in there when time permits. I play the electric bass guitar; a Yamaha TRB4-P. I don't own any looping equipment but I am finding myself drawn closer and closer to it the more I develop my solo work. I have been playing for 6 years. I started when I was 25. I play in a developing band when I can, and continue to develop my solo pieces. I have a solo site at mp3.com www.mp3.com/orisonlatria that has one little tune that I'm working on. They require one to sign up so I grabbed what I had in the computer. I'll be adding to it as time permits. I'm looking forward to the discussions on the list and contributing where I can. -Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 16:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19090; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:01:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:01:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Free Music Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <15.31459d6.2639b19b@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"shBKo1.0.ZX4.X6U3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, it doesn't matter what you feel - it's there, there isn't much you can do about it. I remember the first time someone showed me a product I'd worked on, on a warez site . There's no point getting incensed; that isn't going to change things. The old rules have been broken. We need to find out what the new rules are, fast. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Bizurko@aol.com [mailto:Bizurko@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Free Music Well said, Tiktok. I'd bet the people in this discussion who are trumpeting Napster, et al, are people who don't make their living as a musician, no disrespect intended. That is to say that your perspective always changes once you actually start to scale the mountain. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 17:38:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28905; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:38:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jim@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <390DF578.BE63AB5D@jguru.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:22:00 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: FS: MPX-G2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dIdHn3.0.Ik6.1MV3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since many people here are looking for used vortexi or jamdudes, here's another option: I'm selling my 1.5 year old MPX-G2 for $825. This rack unit is essentially 90% of a vortex, 80% of a jamman, most of a MPX-500 and an analog preamp (w/ distortion) in a single box. You can read an online review of it at http://www.sospubs.co.uk, search for "Lexicon MPX G2". The unit is in excellent shape, it has been in the same rack the whole time, and never left the studio. I have the original box and manual. This is a very high quality unit w/ 24-bit I/O, some very nice solid-state distortion, lots of great FX -- including the key modulation and dual-delay algorithms from the Vortex, and a Jamman delay patch (ok, not as flexible as the original, but much better sounding), a kick-butt pitch shifter, and the reverb unit itself. There are internal moduation options, with an envelope follower, internal LFO's and midi clock sync for just about everything. If you have any specific feature quesitons, send me email. So why am I selling it? I've built a monster looping rig in Supercollider based around a matrix patchbay, a quadraphonic mixer and numerous FX -- so I do most of my serious signal munging in that. It has gotten to where I only used the pitch shifter, phaser and basic delay on the MPX-G2 -- not a very efficient use of a rack space, so I'm swapping it out for a Boss GT-3, which provides both the necessary basic FX (for guitar), and some much needed foot control. For fastest response mail me at my main address: jcoker@jguru.com. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 17:31:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28320; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:31:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bfb3b2$654ed900$ab310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:15:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5CrHB3.0.yS6.1EV3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can > I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? > > Useful observation and not presuming too much... What the heck does "...nurturing, female-oriented" mean exactly? Is it code for lesbian sisterhood? Or is it more like "My GYN is a nice guy."? ;-) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Female Loopers? > It's interesting to note that in most instances in this thread, that > no matter how perceptive the observation, there's usually one > presumtuous and invalidating blanket statement made. > > > Allan Hoeltje 05/01 10:39 AM > > > Two female loopers that come to mind are Jamie Seber (vocal, > electric cello) and Christine Laven (vocal, guitar) - I hope I got the > spelling correct in both names. Seber has played a lot with Feron and > Nina Gerber - the three of them together is a show not to be missed. > In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can > I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? > > Useful observation and not presuming too much... > > >>> I would venture a guess that looping is not necessarily for males > only, but since women tend to rely more on their talent and men on > machines, there are probably more male loopers than female. <<< > -Allan > > There ya go... > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 19:11:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04548; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:11:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bfb3c2$52d6cf20$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: <390DF578.BE63AB5D@jguru.com> Subject: Re: MPX-G2 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:09:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5cseU3.0.Pz.-uW3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > very efficient use of a rack space, so I'm swapping it out > for a Boss GT-3, which provides both the necessary basic > FX (for guitar), and some much needed foot control. I recently returned my GT-3. It's very flexible, but gobbles up your tone like a monster. Of course you can EQ your tone back in but... just a thought, ~dp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 19:07:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03794; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:07:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390E0BDA.CDAFD611@best.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:57:30 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? References: <003201bfb3b2$654ed900$ab310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fQPVW.0.7m.AoW3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I am not really sure how to categorize the music. In most cases I think music should not be categorized, you either like it or you don't, but I fell into the trap on this one. But then again, "nurturing" is fairly descriptive. If you consider, say a typical rock band and the many different renditions of the same old "rotten girl friend left town with my best friend and I've got a right to feel screwed" and compare that with the music of Feron I'd say Feron's music is more positive, less destructive, and dare I say "nurturing". Why is that considered code for lesbian sisterhood? -Allan Larry Tremblay wrote: > > In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can > > I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? > > > > Useful observation and not presuming too much... > > What the heck does "...nurturing, female-oriented" mean > exactly? Is it code for lesbian sisterhood? Or is it > more like "My GYN is a nice guy."? ;-) > > - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 19:13:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04778; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:13:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Female Loopers? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <390E0BDA.CDAFD611@best.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"6DWuB1.0.k61.NyW3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please people, enough. I find this type of discussion offensive to the extreme. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Well, I am not really sure how to categorize the music. In most cases I think music should not be categorized, you either like it or you don't, but I fell into the trap on this one. But then again, "nurturing" is fairly descriptive. If you consider, say a typical rock band and the many different renditions of the same old "rotten girl friend left town with my best friend and I've got a right to feel screwed" and compare that with the music of Feron I'd say Feron's music is more positive, less destructive, and dare I say "nurturing". Why is that considered code for lesbian sisterhood? -Allan Larry Tremblay wrote: > > In both cases the audience is mostly female and the music is, what can > > I say, "nurturing, female oriented"? > > > > Useful observation and not presuming too much... > > What the heck does "...nurturing, female-oriented" mean > exactly? Is it code for lesbian sisterhood? Or is it > more like "My GYN is a nice guy."? ;-) > > - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 19:45:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07621; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:45:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390E1458.D633BC94@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:33:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Female Loopers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ejlYo1.0.Lh1.NIX3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, as a male musician, I'll often have a child suckle at my breasts while I'm looping as to get in touch with a more feminine music. I'm totally agreeing with Jonathan, this conversation IS HORRIBLE. All differences between men and women in the music world are culturally superimposed and have nothing to do with biology. I think some of you guys need to be "nurtured" by Wendy O and her chain saw. And I mean that in a good way. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 20:09:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09899; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:09:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <97.4ccdf85.263f72bd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:52:29 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"kEs8K.0.652.hZX3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com man, woman, old or young, whatever your race. lets make make music because we enjoy to. peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 21:54:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18286; Mon, 1 May 2000 21:54:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:54:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390E3344.6CDC8CFB@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:45:43 -0400 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Stuff -You Loop Crazy Guys & Gals! References: <200005010858.EAA22506@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yEfwL3.0.-O4.hIZ3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Folks, Though I've been in lurk mode mostly, I've enjoyed the recent rounds on creativity and uncreativity. Helpful to me. In fact, I'm taking the plunge into Guitar-land in getting a Z-tar guitar-like midi controller. It will handle my synths as they go into the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. A very cool piece of gear. Its part of my on-going quest for alternative controllers that allow more of "you/me" to be involved, hence the Theremin and infrared light-beam controllers in my studio. Just trying to answer that question: what's the most comfortable, theta wave producing, endorphrin rush inducing manner in which to produce the theta wave producing, endorphrin rush inducing sound?". Took me 20 years to get to this place. I'm wondering what "bliss-ergonomics you guys have figured out. Oh yeah, for sale: Mint condition Boss Dr. Sample 202 w/ 4meg Smart Media card $210 + shipping Mint condition Boss SX-700 Effects Processor (with Surround pre-sets. You ain't lived until you've looped in surround ! ;-)) $235 +ship Mint condition Korg AM 8000R Fx Processor--Silver sister to the DL with "warp" knob and read-out you can see from Texas! $360 + Ship Mint condition Roland JP 8080 with 4meg Smart Media card. Ok, $850 + Shipping. All Pre-pay and I have many references. Thanks all, John Hunter Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 1 22:20:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20849; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:20:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:20:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bfb3da$03365cc0$422729c8@marcelo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcelo_Garz=F3n?= To: References: <97.4ccdf85.263f72bd@aol.com> Subject: RE: Female Loopers? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:57:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"CoBHq1.0.1e4.eRZ3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm from Argentina. It is supposed that WE are the underdeveloped ones... Marcelo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 00:25:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02027; Tue, 2 May 2000 00:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:25:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008301bfb3ed$d3976a40$bec1fec8@doutor> From: "juliomoreno" To: References: <7b.36c3712.263c3162@aol.com><004501bfb1fd$e2ad6580$97310140@concentric.net> <390DC00D.CADB27E4@best.com> Subject: AKASH Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:21:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"-DskS2.0.qH.-Vb3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some info/soundfiles/photos about Akash ??? maybe i can ''stole'' some ideas for my band perfomance .... julio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 00:48:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04888; Tue, 2 May 2000 00:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:48:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.4af5adf.263fb760@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:45:20 EDT Subject: playground samples? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"pI3463.0.781.1sb3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com looking for a sample of kids playing...........maybe someone here can help or offer some advice? thanks in advance! brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 01:11:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07500; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:11:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2f.4af5adf.263fb760@aol.com> References: <2f.4af5adf.263fb760@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:06:35 -0700 To: ENAT21213@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: playground samples? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"mGkia3.0.Hk1.1Ac3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure you can find one at www.sounddogs.com, but it won't be free... At 12:45 AM -0400 5/2/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >looking for a sample of kids playing...........maybe someone here can help or >offer some advice? >thanks in advance! >brian >ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 01:30:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09242; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:27:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples? In-Reply-To: <2f.4af5adf.263fb760@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"gyJ7b1.0.sC2.5Tc3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have some playground samples from a sample CD, but why not go to a playground and make your own? Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 12:58:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08249; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:58:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:58:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d201bfb455$7a8a3140$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: "Loopers!" References: <015b01bfb0dc$6a0b91a0$ecc2fec8@doutor> <003101bfb10a$d57b9a60$6887d8d4@default> Subject: R: Female Loopers? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"mxHVA.0.nZ1.mIm3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bella la pernacchia! Ciao Cristina, sono anch'io un looper tutto italiano (sembra che non ce ne siano moltissimi) e forse ultimamente ho trovato una via interessante per esprimermi. Ho messo in piedi uno spettacolo di musica e danza con una ballerina molto interessata al discorso loop, devo dire con risultati interessanti. Lo rifaremo quest'estate nella mia zona e forse lo porteremo in giro - dipende se troviamo degli sponsor ;-) Io sto vicino a Ancona, zona non troppo attiva dal punto di vista culturale, ma molto vivibile - ragion per cui mi muovo molto. Tu cosa (e dove) looppi? Io principalmente chitarra processata, anche se vorrei tentare altri esperimenti. Sarei interessato a uno scambio di opinioni sull'argomento, fatti viva se hai un minuto libero! Ciao ciao Stefano Voulaz -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: crix A: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Data invio: venerdl 28 aprile 2000 14.11 Oggetto: R: Female Loopers? i've looping and playing synth for ages....sound engineering now..cristina ppppppprrrrrrrrrrr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 13:19:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10391; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:19:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bfb458$0bd826a0$c88efd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: References: Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:01:22 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"BuzRb1.0.q52.udm3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why do I want playground samples to begin with? Why not some samples of mullet rockers playing lame two-hand tapping at some jerk-off music store, do you have that? ----- Original Message ----- From: Unit Circle Media To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: Re: playground samples? > I have some playground samples from a sample CD, but why not go to a > playground and make your own? > > Kevin > > > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 13:39:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12807; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:39:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.5462a4f.264067f1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:18:41 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"CKBUJ.0.1Y2.Kum3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah if you want some playground sounds maybe it would be a trip to delve into it and really get some good samples of kids playing avoiding the risk of having the same sample as someone else! WHich to me is tragic. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 13:54:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14927; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:54:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.3582a54.26406a6e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:29:18 EDT Subject: hello To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"adfXR.0.tv2.92n3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello everyone, I have a dilemma that maybe someone out there could help me with, I hear hardware sequencers can be use to play an instrument for you, while you work others. Well then, what could be used to play JP-8000 melody phrases on top of my grooves, or maybe just play a midi sound module. Dilemma number 2 my drum machine is full and I want to save more. Can a sequencer do the job of putting down extra patterns to trigger? Which sequencers? Any help would appreciated, Thank you all From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 13:54:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14923; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:54:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples? In-Reply-To: <000e01bfb458$0bd826a0$c88efd3f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"fjI7m3.0.zt2.C1n3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whoops, need to watch my To: headers more carefully. KEvin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 14:14:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17598; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:14:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfb461$6521bb00$3932dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5b.5462a4f.264067f1@aol.com> Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:08:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"-lTj53.0.y74.Fen3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I agree with all those who said, "Just record it yourself," imagine if you will, one of us "artistic types" hanging around a playground with a recorder and mike. Enough to scare the hell out of most fear-driven, reactionary folks today, eh? In Los Angeles, though, you'd have another wrinkle in the bit, where you get in trouble with the teacher supervising the playground, not for seeming suspicious, but because some 5-year-old complained to his teacher, that you were recording him without obtaining a release... :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 14:26:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18898; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:26:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:26:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jim@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <390F1CC3.B6F38097@jguru.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:21:55 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPX-G2 References: <390DF578.BE63AB5D@jguru.com> <001901bfb3c2$52d6cf20$b8425b80@upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YlBNN1.0.1V4.Fpn3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't use it for "preamp" behavior at all -- I use a Pod for that. The distortion characteristics of the GT-3 are pretty buzzy. Nice phaser, though, and the pitch shifter is more than adequate. Jim David Petrozzi wrote: > > very efficient use of a rack space, so I'm swapping it out > > for a Boss GT-3, which provides both the necessary basic > > FX (for guitar), and some much needed foot control. > > I recently returned my GT-3. It's very flexible, but gobbles up your tone > like a monster. Of course you can EQ your tone back in but... > > just a thought, > ~dp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 14:29:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19167; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:29:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390F1D34.DBC7B1E9@ppi2pass.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:23:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello References: <9c.3582a54.26406a6e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pf3AO3.0.Za4.zrn3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like this person needs STUFF! APerson7531@aol.com wrote: > hello everyone, > I have a dilemma that maybe someone out there could help me with, > I hear hardware sequencers can be use to play an instrument for you, while > you work others. Well then, what could be used to play JP-8000 melody > phrases on top of my grooves, or maybe just play a midi sound module. > > Dilemma number 2 > my drum machine is full and I want to save more. Can a sequencer do the job > of putting down extra patterns to trigger? Which sequencers? > > Any help would appreciated, Thank you all -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 15:07:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24127; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:07:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bfb468$d9d77dc0$8b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <5b.5462a4f.264067f1@aol.com> <002001bfb461$6521bb00$3932dacf@z8y9w0> Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"_4OPC3.0.rc5.rKo3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com been there, done that, got great results. all you need is a pocket-size portable DAT or cassette and an inconspicuous lapel mic. just do a walk-by or a walk-thru. try the kiddy habitrail at the mall, too. larry t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: Re: playground samples? > While I agree with all those who said, "Just record it yourself," imagine if > you will, one of us "artistic types" hanging around a playground with a > recorder and mike. Enough to scare the hell out of most fear-driven, > reactionary folks today, eh? > > In Los Angeles, though, you'd have another wrinkle in the bit, where you get > in trouble with the teacher supervising the playground, not for seeming > suspicious, but because some 5-year-old complained to his teacher, that you > were recording him without obtaining a release... :) > > Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 15:24:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26185; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:24:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:24:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: playground samples? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003101bfb468$d9d77dc0$8b310140@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"0-0mT1.0.MJ6.jfo3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Terrified by small pets and children? http://www.ljudo.com Haven't check for what you want specifically, but it is free. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples? been there, done that, got great results. all you need is a pocket-size portable DAT or cassette and an inconspicuous lapel mic. just do a walk-by or a walk-thru. try the kiddy habitrail at the mall, too. larry t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: Re: playground samples? > While I agree with all those who said, "Just record it yourself," imagine if > you will, one of us "artistic types" hanging around a playground with a > recorder and mike. Enough to scare the hell out of most fear-driven, > reactionary folks today, eh? > > In Los Angeles, though, you'd have another wrinkle in the bit, where you get > in trouble with the teacher supervising the playground, not for seeming > suspicious, but because some 5-year-old complained to his teacher, that you > were recording him without obtaining a release... :) > > Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 16:09:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30558; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:09:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:59:58 -0400 Subject: rack mixer w/ aux sends Message-ID: <20000502.160000.-402429.1.ivelazco@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,7-8,10-13 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: John Doe Resent-Message-ID: <"kWTdn1.0.2F7.LHp3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Group, Has anybody here know of a rack mixer (around 8 channels) with individual aux sends per channel? I am working with delay loops which will require me to bring back different channels of processed sound back to another channel + send only portion of these to other channels (+ place other FXs) before a final cut. I guess this is along the lines of work similar to David Torn and others. Do you guys have some recommendations? Direct Outs of the channel will not do the job. Thanks in Advance Ivo ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 16:19:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31488; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:19:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003a01bfb470$693856e0$17b9aec7@wk1> From: "DTRohr" To: References: <5b.5462a4f.264067f1@aol.com> Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:50:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"7Jx5d3.0.y27.yCp3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. Ask the principal though and try to be inconspicuous. The school in our neighborhood has a parking lot right next to the playground where you could get a great recording. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 16:23:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32087; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:23:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:23:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000502220118.00958a80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mayr65/pop.dial.pipex.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:06:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Steve Newland Subject: Looping venues in France? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jbM6c2.0.Oi7.9Xp3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I would be interested to know of any Looping venues in France. I am currently staying in the south near Nice but would be interested to hear of any. I do not speak/read French but if any French loopers want to get in touch my partner can translate. Steve Newland stevenew@dial.pipex.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 16:16:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31277; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:16:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:16:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:11:28 EDT Subject: Re: rack mixer w/ aux sends To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"7arNw1.0._W7.KQp3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/2/00 4:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ivelazco@juno.com writes: << Has anybody here know of a rack mixer (around 8 channels) with individual aux sends per channel? I am working with delay loops which will require me to bring back different channels of processed sound back to another channel + send only portion of these to other channels (+ place other FXs) before a final cut. I guess this is along the lines of work similar to David Torn and others. >> Behringer has an Ultralink Pro Splitter Mixer as do others. It works very nicely it has several inputs, and you can use it for stereo appliecations also. Each channel has a pan pot also for creating a "wall of Sound" it has individual line in's and line outs, plus a master in and master out...It's quite a nice unit, and should work for your intended purpose. Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 17:19:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05872; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D1BA@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: playground samples suggestion Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:00:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZD4o1.0.r-.HAq3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not recommended for those with pedophile tendencies of course Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 18:10:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14612; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:10:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:56:41 -0500 From: Mike McGary Subject: RE: playground samples suggestion In-reply-to: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D1BA@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"FUG9H.0.WN3.T_q3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice > sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. Not to beat a dead horse. But you should go by the school office first. Most schools run a pretty tight ship these days. You shouldn't have any trouble at all getting permission...but you'll probably have to wear a visitor's badge. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 19:02:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19530; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:02:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <13.4b6c434.2640b7a2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:58:42 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"RnSq13.0.Dd4.8tr3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i like the mall idea. lots of 'mall verb' in it. it should sound pretty good. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 18:54:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18586; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:54:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:54:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:50 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"kJq-n1.0.3S4.Fkr3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/2/00 9:09:40 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes: << but you'll probably have to wear a visitor's badge. >> mike.........you look the principle right in the eye and say "we dont need no stinkin badges"........but of course you must be sportin the official LD teashirt...........carte blanc in most situations with sound............:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 18:03:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14114; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:03:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <087301bfb47f$1a99da40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: MIDI gear Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:40:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KZRFT.0.Bx2.Rpq3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello All! I'm looking to buy a MOTU MIDI Express XT (the non-USB model). Any loopers want to sell one? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 20:09:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25441; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:09:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:09:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:04:57 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fiz872.0.676.Jss3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Or you could make it into a legitimate learning experience for the kids. Go to the school office, get permission to do the samples, and then do a hands-on show 'n tell for the class. Bring in your looper gear and show them what it is you do. Next thing ya know you'll have every kid on the block wanting to do it, maybe even some of the girls. :-) -Allan Mike McGary wrote: > > With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice > > sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. > > Not to beat a dead horse. But you should go by the school office first. > Most schools run a pretty tight ship these days. You shouldn't have > any trouble at all getting permission...but you'll probably have to > wear a visitor's badge. > > -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 20:57:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29769; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:57:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:53:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"-EBQ1.0.5C7.gYt3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just saw this, and no, I'm not the seller. But I didn't even know what this thing looked like till I saw this picture. Pretty pricey too. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320435933 Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 21:05:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30511; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:05:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000503010251.18911.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: MIDI gear To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iiQsj2.0.TO7.-gt3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are a couple of MOTU midi express PC's (6 i/o instead of 8) currently on ebay. I do like my xt though..... stephen --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Hello All! > > I'm looking to buy a MOTU MIDI Express XT (the > non-USB model). Any loopers want > to sell one? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 22:00:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03807; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:00:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008c01bfb4a1$8fdf65a0$8b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D1BA@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:47:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"F2xEW2.0.xT.OHu3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:00 PM Subject: RE: playground samples suggestion > Not recommended for those with pedophile tendencies of course > > > > Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion > > > With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice > sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 22:02:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03994; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:02:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009a01bfb4a1$fe0e0810$8b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:50:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"HGzEq3.0.AZ.LKu3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A very good idea. In fact, I heard "Dripsody" and other musique concrete in the second grade. It had a profound influence on me. - Larry T > Or you could make it into a legitimate learning experience for the kids. Go > to the school office, get permission to do the samples, and then do a > hands-on show 'n tell for the class. Bring in your looper gear and show > them what it is you do. Next thing ya know you'll have every kid on the > block wanting to do it, maybe even some of the girls. :-) > > -Allan > > > > > Mike McGary wrote: > > > > With a decent boom mike and a Mini Disc recorder you could grab a nice > > > sample any afternoon at the local elementary school. > > > > Not to beat a dead horse. But you should go by the school office first. > > Most schools run a pretty tight ship these days. You shouldn't have > > any trouble at all getting permission...but you'll probably have to > > wear a visitor's badge. > > > > -Mike McGary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 21:49:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02535; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <24.477d19e.2640dd7c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:40:12 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"AWrSF2.0.NQ.1Fu3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/2/00 3:07:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: > been there, done that, got great results. > > all you need is a pocket-size portable DAT or cassette > and an inconspicuous lapel mic. > love too........but what if you don't own a portable dat or mini disc player....the portable cassette thingie i do own but feel it may be too noisy maybe i could use what you did..........let me know brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 22:27:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06560; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bfb4a6$da5d9480$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:24:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ncMYl.0.nU1.bsu3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That thing is beautiful- wow. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay > Just saw this, and no, I'm not the seller. But I didn't even know what this > thing looked like till I saw this picture. Pretty pricey too. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320435933 > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 23:30:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12981; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:30:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:30:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00be01bfb4ae$37635870$8b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Ridiculous JamMan Bidding War Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:18:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"EjNIH1.0.Io2.Lcv3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for using the E-word, but this has gotten out of control: A JamMan on eB*y has been bid up to $951.00! Ok, so it's got 32-sec's and two footswitches, so what? It ain't all that. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318402245 I hope that fool isn't an LD member ;) Just kidding. - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 2 23:22:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12020; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:22:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b401bfb4ad$06f14400$8b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <24.477d19e.2640dd7c@aol.com> Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:09:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"jfd1N3.0.3c2.LUv3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used a portable cassette. A sony Pro Walkman or similar Denon or something would be ideal, but anything will work. I used an old mono walkman piece of crap and a Shure SM-58 (another sturdy piece of crap). I had to hunt down a Hi-Z-to-1/4" adapter, then put a 1.4"-to-1/8" cord adapter after that before running into the deck. All these goodies are available at the mall, Muso store, or Rat Shack. If I had it to do over I would probably use a shotgun mic. More conspicuous, but better results. To control noise, buy or build yourself a windscreen and record as loud as possible. You can reduce the noise further with a compressor and/or limiter later. Just avoid ruining the ambience. In my case I didn't mind the extra noise because the ambience was so good. Finally, I treated specific passages with Space Echo to give the recording a slightly creepier feel. I used it as a bed underneath the whole song. Good luck, - Larry T > In a message dated 5/2/00 3:07:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ltct@concentric.net writes: > > > been there, done that, got great results. > > > > all you need is a pocket-size portable DAT or cassette > > and an inconspicuous lapel mic. > > > love too........but what if you don't own a portable dat or mini disc > player....the portable cassette thingie i do own but feel it may be too noisy > > maybe i could use what you did..........let me know > > brian > ebnoise > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 00:39:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22631; Wed, 3 May 2000 00:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:39:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bfb4b5$17caa520$6b72fd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: References: Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:07:25 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"nN6uc1.0.Fz3.JOw3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My apollogy is to you, in my hurry to be such a smart ass I should have consulted my roomate who is more web savy than myself. I was unaware that the nature of such groups as The Loopers Delight entailed that any submition be sent to all its inhabbitants. I am a dumbass. But you have to admitt the idea of sampling self indulgent metal heads does tickle your funny bone ----- Original Message ----- From: Unit Circle Media To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: playground samples? > whoops, need to watch my To: headers more carefully. > > KEvin > > > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 01:24:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26130; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:24:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004801bfb4b7$3674c3a0$6b72fd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: Subject: 16 sec delay on ebay Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:22:36 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB495.AEB3A9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"mX3Ru2.0.Ks4.Ycw3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB495.AEB3A9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I veiw this device it is currently at $1100. My math is shitty but = thats almost $70 a second. Granted its a hansom piece of retro, but I = think I,d rather spend half that on a more reliable, utilitarian looper = and blow the other half on over priced retro furniture. ....or an over priced old(ie. retro) hooker. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB495.AEB3A9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I veiw this device it is currently = at $1100. My=20 math is shitty but thats almost $70 a second. Granted its a hansom piece = of=20 retro, but I think I,d rather spend half that on a more reliable, = utilitarian=20 looper and blow the other half on over priced retro = furniture.
....or an over priced old(ie. retro)=20 hooker.
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BFB495.AEB3A9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 02:55:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00743; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:55:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:49:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"LvSMd2.0.X6.Noy3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:53 PM -0700 5/2/00, future perfect wrote: >Just saw this, and no, I'm not the seller. But I didn't even know what this >thing looked like till I saw this picture. Pretty pricey too. Check it out, we've had some great EH-16 porno shots on Looper's Delight for some time: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/eh16/eh16.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 03:44:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04151; Wed, 3 May 2000 03:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 03:44:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200005030727.AAA22293@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 00:26:22 -0800 Subject: Re: 16 sec delay on ebay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3040158382_112264_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"xhVS03.0.rf.OJz3v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3040158382_112264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey I concur-I got the EH 16 sec looper way back when-I used it alot,but boy was I happy when fidelity, 16 bits,flexibility etc. became available(PCM 42)-the unit quickly became a wacky noisetwistin' amusical beast that got to be all fun-and still is, but as a true looper machine it really lacks-and the audible click when you go into 'infinite repeat' that becomes part of the loop sux. Fun machine? sure-*$$$$*?noooo way!!...GOINLOOPY...STANNER ---------- From: "jeff immer" To: Subject: 16 sec delay on ebay Date: Tue, May 2, 2000, 8:22 PM As I veiw this device it is currently at $1100. My math is shitty but thats almost $70 a second. Granted its a hansom piece of retro, but I think I,d rather spend half that on a more reliable, utilitarian looper and blow the other half on over priced retro furniture. ....or an over priced old(ie. retro) hooker. --MS_Mac_OE_3040158382_112264_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 16 sec delay on ebay Hey I concur-I got the EH 16 sec looper way back when-I used it alot,but bo= y was I happy when fidelity, 16 bits,flexibility etc. became available(PCM 4= 2)-the unit quickly became a wacky noisetwistin' amusical beast that got to = be all fun-and still is, but as a true looper machine it really lacks-and th= e audible click when you go into 'infinite repeat' that becomes part of the = loop   sux. Fun machine? sure-*$$$$*?noooo way!!...GOINLOOPY...STA= NNER

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From: "jeff immer" <jetliner@prodigy.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: 16 sec delay on ebay
Date: Tue, May 2, 2000, 8:22 PM


As I veiw this device it is c= urrently at $1100. My math is shitty but thats almost $70 a second. Granted = its a hansom piece of retro, but I think I,d rather spend half that on a mor= e reliable, utilitarian looper and blow the other half on over priced retro = furniture.
....or an over priced old(ie. retro) hooker.

--MS_Mac_OE_3040158382_112264_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 08:23:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28042; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:23:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bfb4f7$d97e0620$be9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Logic audio and VS workstations Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:52:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"eHVfT3.0.MQ6.hP14v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can somebody tell me with Logic audio program interfaces with the Roland VS studio workstations? Thanks! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 10:08:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05689; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: adams.patriot.net: dusty owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ";-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: (Semi-OT: Humor) Re: 16 sec delay on ebay In-Reply-To: <004801bfb4b7$3674c3a0$6b72fd3f@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"It1m-2.0.tt.Et24v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, but I have to do this: "...oh, come on, it's not that slow..." Again, my apologies. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 10:15:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06647; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:15:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:15:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bfb507$a3cf65e0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: Subject: [self-promotion] realaudio of looping performance Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:58:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFB510.04FDA860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"q_qOE1.0.Q71.e234v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFB510.04FDA860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys. Realaudio of looping performances (guitarist and keyboard/samplist): http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/audio.html there are several on the page, I recommend the set from 29/4/2000 cheers, os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFB510.04FDA860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys.
 
Realaudio of looping performances (guitarist and = keyboard/samplist):
 
http://www.colle= ctive.co.uk/darkroom/audio.html
 
 
there are several on the page, I recommend the set from = 29/4/2000
 
 
cheers,
 
os
os@scee.sony.co.uk
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.collective.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BFB510.04FDA860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 10:50:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10253; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:50:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01bfb50c$0f500280$39bcaec7@wk1> From: "DTRohr" To: References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> Subject: learning experience Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:29:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"vMC_H3.0.Q12.MX34v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Allan Hoeltje Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion > Or you could make it into a legitimate learning experience for the kids. Go > to the school office, get permission to do the samples, and then do a > hands-on show 'n tell for the class. Bring in your looper gear and show > them what it is you do. Next thing ya know you'll have every kid on the > block wanting to do it, maybe even some of the girls. :-) I really liked Allan's suggestion the more I read it. This is exactly the thing that is overlooked in general. I can say from experience that getting in isn't easy. My son's music teacher as an example is not exactly knocking down my door trying to get me in there. If I was a well known opera singer (not to slight singers) I would be in right away. Most of the music teachers I know (and I know a lot) have a great desire to teach their students in a very classic manner, which is good - we all need some of that - though there are LOTS of us that do fine without it. Music should be foundational. That's not to say there aren't 'freaks' (freak in the true defentition) out there who can appreciate all sides (like me!). I believe the music departments all accross the US would benefit from this kind of input and show administrators and parent's that there is a way. Imagine if all these great bands that we have today would just spend a few hours every month at a school, playing a few tunes and talking about how they make the music. I'm gonna make a commitment to it right now. One High-School a month, with our band. We'll just keep knocking until we come in. If the guy with the birds can show up I should be able to. Just might do something for these failing programs and spark some interest. UN-fortunately (depending how you look at it I spose) we would soon find the traditional music lessons exchanged for the likes of "Looping 101" or "Building A Better Break-Beat" or "How To Get The Most Out Of Your Lexicon Equipment". Why wait til they can attend Berklee, we should start 'em earlier. Hmmmmmm, it's got me thinking. -Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 10:52:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10481; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39103880.B49A6785@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 07:32:32 -0700 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Logic audio and VS workstations References: <001d01bfb4f7$d97e0620$be9cb8d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WCC4C.0.wx1.0W34v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's the Logic VS program, which was designed specifically for that. Logic Audio Platinum supports the VS, as, I believe, does Logic Audio Gold. George Luis Angulo wrote: > > Can somebody tell me with Logic audio program interfaces with the Roland VS > studio workstations? > Thanks! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 11:07:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12352; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:07:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:07:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640507D1CD@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:33:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vR5Vw.0.UB2.2c34v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com man that is a pawnshop classic allright...but in good shape I bet it would sound great. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 16 Sec Delay on Ebay That thing is beautiful- wow. Cliff > thing looked like till I saw this picture. Pretty pricey too. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320435933 > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 12:07:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18535; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:07:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:59:14 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: matthew barry smith Subject: New Project In-Reply-To: <20000429124755.28354.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5OD-j2.0.fN4.cr44v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm working on a new project that involves spending large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want to do with it. Anyone interested in joining me? Jim Carter Bristol, UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 12:50:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23671; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:50:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: matthew barry smith Subject: Re: New Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aj9sy3.0.kX5.OT54v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds Great can we do it via video Phone.. from one pub to the next ? seAN --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 253-7621 I'm a member of the FVK.. --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* On Wed, 3 May 2000, Jim Carter wrote: > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 13:01:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25189; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:01:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:01:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <55.55e79dc.2641b118@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:43:04 EDT Subject: Re: New Project To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"DFEXL.0.iW5.1T54v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Again.......? O.K. But this is the last time. You remember what happened last time? Maybe not...... b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 12:40:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22169; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:40:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:35:23 -0400 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200005031635.MAA25168@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New project Resent-Message-ID: <"PXZ_k1.0.II5.UL54v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Carter wrote: > I'm working on a new project .... > Anyone interested in joining me? I'll join you for a bitter, matey. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 14:32:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02384; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39106DAA.494A0FDF@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:19:24 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dripsody (was playground samples...) References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> <009a01bfb4a1$fe0e0810$8b310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OjZu-.0.eA.Vo64v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > A very good idea. In fact, I heard "Dripsody" and other musique > concrete in the second grade. It had a profound influence on me. > > - Larry T > i was around 13 or so when i first heard "dripsody". you were fortunate to hear stuff like that so young (i believe we were singing "little liza jane" in the 2nd grade...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 14:55:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04845; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:55:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bfb530$5cd6c560$3832dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: New Project Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:49:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"Mpav8.0.l41.VK74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Except for the pub, aren't we doing this now...? [wink] Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From: "Jim Carter" > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 14:59:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05340; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:59:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:59:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000428101509.00a82320@realm-of-shade.com> References: <4.1.20000428101509.00a82320@realm-of-shade.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:49:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"0KF-M2.0.Yu.ZC74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com its amazing how sensible people are about such subject. Its similar to racism. An important principle: Its NOT racism/sexism to make an observation about a race. Unless the person saiz "all ... are ... " we can automatically assume that we all agree that there are exeptions, maybe even many, because thats obvious. Racism starts where someone concludes from some tendency of a race to a certain person of that race. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:17:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07415; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:17:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011301bfb532$2024ad10$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> <009a01bfb4a1$fe0e0810$8b310140@concentric.net> <39106DAA.494A0FDF@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: dripsody (was playground samples...) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"heoB3.0.yG1.ZR74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yea, pretty fortunate, I guess. I attended one of the first really "progressive" schools in the 60's. I was exposed to Picasso and Cubism there too at the same time. Weird school. "la la la - music is good for the brain..", er, nevermind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance glover" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: dripsody (was playground samples...) > > > Larry Tremblay wrote: > > > A very good idea. In fact, I heard "Dripsody" and other musique > > concrete in the second grade. It had a profound influence on me. > > > > - Larry T > > > > i was around 13 or so when i first heard "dripsody". you were fortunate to hear > stuff like that so young (i believe we were singing "little liza jane" in the > 2nd grade...) > > lance g. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:33:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09275; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:33:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:36:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"hxeBe2.0.OA2.Wu74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Or you could make it into a legitimate learning experience for the kids. Go >to the school office, get permission to do the samples, and then do a >hands-on show 'n tell for the class. Bring in your looper gear and show >them what it is you do. Next thing ya know you'll have every kid on the >block wanting to do it, maybe even some of the girls. :-) Thats it! Give the kids a mic, put the looper into overdubbing, slightly reduced feedback, maybe 3 seconds and film them going mad with their own voices and noises and send it in as part of the loop tutorial video. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:28:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08787; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:28:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: New Project Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:20:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001901bfb530$5cd6c560$3832dacf@z8y9w0> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"tyPoL3.0.yr1.0l74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of us don't have a choice - we're at our day jobs. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:sgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Project Except for the pub, aren't we doing this now...? [wink] Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From: "Jim Carter" > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:45:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10945; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:45:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: matthew barry smith Subject: Re: New Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYol61.0.0S2.f384v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com would that be analog or digital money? and those drinks - would they be vintage? or re-issue? ;) On Wed, 3 May 2000, Jim Carter wrote: > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:40:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09924; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:40:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:35:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005031935.OAA06746@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Resent-Message-ID: <"VP-OK1.0.xK2.P_74v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com excuse me but I thought we were all humans, what other races are you taking about??? At 03:49 p.m. 03/05/00 -0300, you wrote: >its amazing how sensible people are about such subject. > >Its similar to racism. > >An important principle: Its NOT racism/sexism to make an observation >about a race. Unless the person saiz "all ... are ... " we can >automatically assume that we all agree that there are exeptions, >maybe even many, because thats obvious. > >Racism starts where someone concludes from some tendency of a race to >a certain person of that race. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 15:59:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12439; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:59:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01c601bfb539$5825d160$b3e731d4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:53:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"2KQAQ.0.-t2.dF84v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, Thanks to Claude and Robert for their assistance in my quest to buy an Echoplex... In the end I opted for a NEW unit from 'Bananas At Large' in California ( www.bananas.com ) as mentioned by Kim recently. I spoke to Rick Elswit who was VERY helpful, and a pleasant guy to deal with. He's sorted me out with a memory upgrade, and my 'plex will only take two days to travel to the UK (where I live.) I will join Kim in recommending Bananas' to the list. They're not the cheapest, but they do have stock, (unlike Alto-Music who are currently selling non-existent stock on a promise,) and are sympathetic to the looping cause :-) Price = $908 for the basic unit + footpedal. Full upgrade = $100. Cheers, (can't wait till the weekend!) Lee http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 17:03:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19119; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:03:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:03:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39108FEF.1095@ezworks.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:45:36 -0400 From: Jeff Yost Reply-To: yostie@ezworks.net Organization: Zerone Audio Labs/DigiMete Arts/GigSwaP X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Project References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AAXGg.0.fF4.P094v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Jim- I started a similiar project four years ago! you can (still) reach me at: Buds Tavern Fremont Ohio, USA Later, Jeff Yost yostie@ezworks.net yost44536@webmail.terra.cc.oh.us Jim Carter wrote: > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 17:35:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22315; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:35:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000503211847.11423.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SPTeM2.0._35.6V94v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FYI, The last time I bought ram for the EDP (4 SIMMs, 4mb each) they cost $12-15 a stick ($48-60 total). bret --- Lee Fletcher wrote: > > Price = $908 for the basic unit + footpedal. Full > upgrade = $100. > > Cheers, (can't wait till the weekend!) > > Lee > http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 18:09:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25562; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:09:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:09:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009201bfb54a$c4ac5960$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: MIDI gear Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:58:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0GsVt1.0.C96.JAA4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks! Hey! A MOTU MIDI Express XT just went on ebay! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 18:04:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25109; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:04:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3910A024.7BA16A73@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:54:45 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' References: <20000503211847.11423.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z8DIO3.0.2v5.D1A4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just got my 4x4's from Data Memory Systems @ $8 each - working fine. 800 662 7466 cheers, eobe Bret wrote: > FYI, > The last time I bought ram for the EDP (4 SIMMs, 4mb > each) they cost $12-15 a stick ($48-60 total). > bret > > --- Lee Fletcher wrote: > > > > > Price = $908 for the basic unit + footpedal. Full > > upgrade = $100. > > > > Cheers, (can't wait till the weekend!) > > > > Lee > > http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 18:29:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27319; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:29:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009401bfb54d$062599e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> <009a01bfb4a1$fe0e0810$8b310140@concentric.net> Subject: Dripsody Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:15:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"qBFzV3.0.2d6.jTA4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not familiar with this one. What is it? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tremblay To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion > A very good idea. In fact, I heard "Dripsody" and other musique > concrete in the second grade. It had a profound influence on me. > > - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 18:16:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26074; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:16:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014a01bfb54d$5e83fa00$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200005031935.OAA06746@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:17:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"16lPZ2.0.nI6.MIA4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > excuse me but I thought we were all humans, what other races are you > taking about??? > Andy's got that right. Anthropologically, there are NO RACES - only one race - HUMAN. Racism is an artificial invention of of political tribalists, used to divide us humans, in order to gain power, money or both. e.g, Divide and Conquer. - Larry T > At 03:49 p.m. 03/05/00 -0300, you wrote: > >its amazing how sensible people are about such subject. > > > >Its similar to racism. > > > >An important principle: Its NOT racism/sexism to make an observation > >about a race. Unless the person saiz "all ... are ... " we can > >automatically assume that we all agree that there are exeptions, > >maybe even many, because thats obvious. > > > >Racism starts where someone concludes from some tendency of a race to > >a certain person of that race. > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 19:28:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32181; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:28:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED428301386787@deimos.tld.com> From: Mark Turi To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: new to this envious of my have one .. I live in anybody point me Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:13:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: <"0c6so1.0.qX7.w8B4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi I am new to this list ..I have been doing music for 10+ years and have been doing computer/looping stuff for the last 2 .. but I am a guitar player and am very envious of my bud's echoplex pro .. I must have one .. I live in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada .. can anybody point me in the right direction ? bananas at large ? Thanks __________________________ Mark Turi mark@tld.com www.tld.com p 604.272.6012 f 604.272.6026 __________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 21:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08523; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:18:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:18:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3910CE25.E86750A@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:11:00 -0700 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS:Hamer A7 Phantom w/GR Synth elec.+GR300 mod. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YTNgQ.0.ot1.NxC4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm selling a pearl white Hamer A7 Phantom with FACTORY Roland GR (700 era) elctronics, brand new fret dress and hardshell case. Included is a Roland GR300 module and a 24 pin cable. I'm asking $1150.00, buyer to pay shipping. EMail me for a pic and details. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 21:52:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11767; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:52:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3910D762.4E6E46E5@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:50:26 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Kcjpg1.0.no2.STD4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found this link, a bit of a bio... http://204.225.143.1/millennium/electronic_music/em_lecaine.html Anyone know where to get a copy of the actual recording (Dripsody)? Is there a site with a sound file, perhaps? I'm feeling left out. And no, it's not listed in Napster. :-p Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 3 22:29:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15731; Wed, 3 May 2000 22:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:29:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.55a4dd1.264239b6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:25:58 EDT Subject: A loopy education; was:Dripsody To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"b4YGK1.0.km3.X_D4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm very happy to here that many of us here were exposed to the outer edges of art at an early age. The Cubist statement, made me laugh as I just exposed some 10 year old kids to Surrealism today. I will say that as a music teacher that attempts to open my kids' minds, the process is not as easy as one would assume. First, I still feel a pressure from my colleagues and from parents to teach more tradition subject material. Secondly, sometimes the kids are not always willing to experience an art that is "outside the box". Still, I continue : I have a couple classes finishing up Acid pieces containing their own self-made loops (just to be sort of on topic). Regardless, I think that we do have a responsibility on some small level to expose the youth to different modes of thinking that may fly in the face of what MTV tells them to think. Plus I think that beating the standard notation system (as one example of traditional thought) into the minds of kids who don't even play instruments is foolish (my opinion). It's helpful, but definitely not the most important lesson these kids can learn. I would ask that some musicians here volunteer some time to local schools to demonstrate the possibilites. Or for the looping parents here, make sure that art and music teachers show as many facets of art as possible. Otherwise, music class becomes a sort of a break for kids and their teachers (ultimately degrading music's value), which is far more damaging than any anti-establishment message tha I may preach. Sorry for the rant. Just how I feel. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 00:48:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01201; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:48:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01cf01bfb584$2e9fd340$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3910D762.4E6E46E5@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"xPd_E3.0.jE.C2G4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Watch this space for more specifics on Dripsody and the composer. I was just on the composer's website the other day. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Poppen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine > I found this link, a bit of a bio... > http://204.225.143.1/millennium/electronic_music/em_lecaine.html > > Anyone know where to get a copy of the actual recording (Dripsody)? Is > there a site with a sound file, perhaps? I'm feeling left out. > > And no, it's not listed in Napster. :-p > > Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 02:07:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07949; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:07:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:07:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000503235526.009a5330@208.129.32.53> X-Sender: reverendrob@208.129.32.53 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:55:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Ibanez DM1100 manual/invert function? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pGkYw.0._m1.hAH4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 01:32 AM 5/4/00 -0400, Jon Sholle wrote: >Anyone out there have a manual for the venerable Ibanez DM1100 or know >anything about the "invert" function? If it's anything like the other period rack delays, it'll phase invert the delayed signal for a pseudo-stereo effect. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 01:29:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04789; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:29:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01dd01bfb588$1a161de0$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <390F6D29.1E391283@best.com> <009a01bfb4a1$fe0e0810$8b310140@concentric.net> <009401bfb54d$062599e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Dripsody Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:17:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"kQZjK3.0.rq.VSG4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's 'his' web page on the Canadian Culturnet site. http://www.culturenet.ucalgary.ca/cmc/dac_rca/eng/k_/LeCaine_Hugh.html A recording was released by EAR years ago... Hugh Le Caine: Dripsody: An Etude for Variable Speed Recorder (Ear Magazine Canada compilation.) In 1955 he recorded the sound of a water drip and manipulated it using a variable-speed tape deck. He create the two-minute song consisting of nothing more than the sound of the drip speed-up or slowed-down. Whew! That's what I call gripped by a vision. Quite impressive really. Think "Karlheinz Stockhausen with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). ;) I'm still searching for an online recording. It's only 2:00 min long. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Dripsody > Not familiar with this one. What is it? > > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Tremblay > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion > > > > A very good idea. In fact, I heard "Dripsody" and other musique > > concrete in the second grade. It had a profound influence on me. > > > > - Larry T > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 01:28:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04695; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:28:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: jsholle@mail.cloud9.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:32:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jon Sholle Subject: Ibanez DM1100 manual/invert function? Resent-Message-ID: <"6XA6d1.0.351.NcG4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone out there have a manual for the venerable Ibanez DM1100 or know anything about the "invert" function? Thanks- Jon Sholle http://www.cloud9.net/~jsholle "I never practice. I just open up the case once in awhile and throw in a piece of raw meat."- Wes Montgomery From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 02:46:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10757; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:46:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01e301bfb58f$505016c0$1f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <5b.55a4dd1.264239b6@aol.com> Subject: Re: A loopy education; was:Dripsody Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:09:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"yN91U2.0.Us1.vCH4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I applaud Joe's efforts to teach outside the mainstream. He should be commended for it. My own thoughts on the "classics vs avant-garde", even more so these days, is that the early pioneers of electronic music and electro-acoustic music ARE the classics for this age and are the appropriate masters todays kids should study. All the precedents for today's Art and music can be traced to turn-of-the-century movements like Dada, Cubism, Surrealism, the Lettrists - and later, the Beats and so on. One can point to a work from any of these movements and say "That led to THIS". > I'm very happy to here that many of us here were exposed to the outer edges > of art at an early age. The Cubist statement, made me laugh as I just > exposed some 10 year old kids to Surrealism today. I will say that as a > music teacher that attempts to open my kids' minds, the process is not as > easy as one would assume. First, I still feel a pressure from my colleagues > and from parents to teach more tradition subject material. Secondly, > sometimes the kids are not always willing to experience an art that is > "outside the box". Still, I continue : I have a couple classes > finishing up Acid pieces containing their own self-made loops > (just to be sort of on topic). > Think about Acid Loops, for example, the discontinuous "cut-up" methods of William Burrows influenced the later exploration of sampling and looping. But "cut-ups" was borrowed from Montage, a favorite tool of Dada and Surrealism. What kid didn't love making collages in art class. Now, what if you could make a coherent connection that runs from Dada to "cut-ups" to Eno to Hip Hop to Acid Loops. Music history and appreciation made fun! > Regardless, I think that we do have a responsibility on some small level to > expose the youth to different modes of thinking that may fly in the face of > what MTV tells them to think. Plus I think that beating the standard > notation system (as one example of traditional thought) into the minds of > kids who don't even play instruments is foolish (my opinion). It's helpful, > but definitely not the most important lesson these kids can learn. > The standard notation is fine for kids who are oriented toward a standard music education. But they can get that from Music Lessons. However, if the objective is primarily Music Appreciation then the most engaging method is through hands-on experience and getting the Big Picture. Back in school I hated Bach, Beethoven and and Mozart (who picked these guys anyway?). Now I find them quite tolerable in small doses. But had I embraced the "classics" too early, I probably never would have discovered the other less traditional musics. > I would ask that some musicians here volunteer some time to local schools to > demonstrate the possibilites. Or for the looping parents here, make sure > that art and music teachers show as many facets of art as possible. > Otherwise, music class becomes a sort of a break for kids and their teachers > (ultimately degrading music's value), which is far more damaging than any > anti-establishment message tha I may preach. Sorry for the rant. Just how I > feel. > Having no children of our own, I do all I can to expose my nephews and nieces to all kinds of music and art that they might not get in school. Most of my siblings home school their kids so I get to be the visiting music instructor and all-around art guy. I find this very rewarding. Funny thing is, my younger siblings *know me*, so it's even more satisfying that they appreciate my subversive tastes in the Arts. ;) Keep up the work Joe! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 03:23:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14041; Thu, 4 May 2000 03:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 03:23:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:13:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Dripsody Resent-Message-ID: <"J0pEQ1.0.y63.77I4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Here's 'his' web page on the Canadian Culturnet site. >http://www.culturenet.ucalgary.ca/cmc/dac_rca/eng/k_/LeCaine_Hugh.html > >A recording was released by EAR years ago... >Hugh Le Caine: Dripsody: An Etude for Variable Speed Recorder >(Ear Magazine Canada compilation.) > >In 1955 he recorded the sound of a water drip and manipulated it >using a variable-speed tape deck. He create the two-minute song >consisting of nothing more than the sound of the drip speed-up >or slowed-down. Whew! That's what I call gripped by a vision. > >Quite impressive really. Think "Karlheinz Stockhausen with >obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). ;) > >I'm still searching for an online recording. It's only 2:00 min >long. > >- Larry T > It's on the "Ohm: Early Gurus of Electronic Music" compilation set I think I was raving about on this list last week. Amazing piece, actually. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 04:45:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19955; Thu, 4 May 2000 04:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 04:45:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: playground samples suggestion Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:31:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"usPEr2.0.Ji4.sTJ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wish Matthias would follow his own directions and start doing an EDP tutorial for us... | -----Original Message----- | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] | Sent: Wednesday 03 May 2000 12:36 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion | | | >Or you could make it into a legitimate learning experience for | the kids. Go | >to the school office, get permission to do the samples, and then do a | >hands-on show 'n tell for the class. Bring in your looper | gear and show | >them what it is you do. Next thing ya know you'll have every | kid on the | >block wanting to do it, maybe even some of the girls. :-) | | Thats it! Give the kids a mic, put the looper into overdubbing, | slightly reduced feedback, maybe 3 seconds and film them going mad | with their own voices and noises and send it in as part of the loop | tutorial video. | | | ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 05:45:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23523; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:45:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 05:45:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bfb5ad$75fdcc00$c3986dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: New Project Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:45:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"FEEb72.0.vh5.WNK4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm afraid i have the copyright on that. You'll have to change something every eight bars to getting around it :P Cheers! Simes ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Carter To: Cc: matthew barry smith Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 1:59 AM Subject: New Project > > I'm working on a new project that involves spending > large amounts of money on music hardware, then sitting > in a pub (bar) drinking and discussing what I want > to do with it. > > Anyone interested in joining me? > > Jim Carter > Bristol, UK > Tel. (44) 117 9289934 > FAX (44) 117 9293746 > e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk (work) > echo.plex@virgin.net (personal) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 06:09:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24922; Thu, 4 May 2000 06:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:57:22 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: playground samples suggestion In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"IIwqX3.0.4v5.fdK4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:31 AM -0700 5/4/00, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >I wish Matthias would follow his own directions and start doing an EDP >tutorial for us... > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/Plhints.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/Tips_fromLD.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/cd1/LDCD1.htm http://www.annihilist.com/loop/musings/posts/filtered/FeedBack.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/Museng.htm kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 06:47:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28146; Thu, 4 May 2000 06:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3911CFDF.9DDA5E8A@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:30:39 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tutorials and video rant References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R7-Qj3.0.7p6.5HL4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the best tutorial is play play play with it you wont need to grab it all rightaway if you dont understand something try again but it is perhaps not for you _yet_ play play play with it I'm still amazed what I found and what I will be founding I would not let a video tutorial lead me thru RIVEN or any good book or anything that has mystery in it never Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 08:19:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03735; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:19:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000504121429.64668.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.228] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 05:14:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jcJ8E.0.7q.8dM4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've worked for schools for over 20 years. If parents or teachers or security see you hanging around the kids without authorazation they will want to know why you are looking at the children. A park or a zoo might be better. Or Explain it to the prinicpal. Why is this so hard to do ? >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion >Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:50 EDT > >In a message dated 5/2/00 9:09:40 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >mcgary@metronet.com writes: > ><< but you'll probably have to > wear a visitor's badge. > >> > >mike.........you look the principle right in the eye and say "we dont need >no >stinkin badges"........but of course you must be sportin the official LD >teashirt...........carte blanc in most situations with >sound............:)............michael > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 08:44:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06311; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:44:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:44:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39116CB3.159648C9@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:27:31 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine References: <3910D762.4E6E46E5@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"izQBt3.0.xB1.toM4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Poppen wrote: > Anyone know where to get a copy of the actual recording (Dripsody)? Is > there a site with a sound file, perhaps? I'm feeling left out. There was an LP of Hugh LeCaine's music that his daughter put out as a labour of love. I ordered it directly from her, but, alas, the address on the jacket is not current. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 09:52:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12890; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a501bfb5cd$415b0330$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: OT: Re: Female Loopers? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"s8Agv.0.Pn2.wrN4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gentlemen and Ladies, We are drifting further afield. Having said that (and adding OT to the subject line), I'll add to the discussion... :) No races? Quite correct. No racism? Quite incorrect. Odd how we humans make problems for ourselves. Isn't it? I somehow feel that we're giving Matthias more heat than is warranted. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 10:52:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19141; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:52:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bfb5d7$c657c460$83310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3910D762.4E6E46E5@mindspring.com> <39116CB3.159648C9@pa.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:48:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QX5zI3.0.tS4.EpO4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There was an LP of Hugh LeCaine's music that his daughter put out as a > labour of > love. I ordered it directly from her, but, alas, the address on the > jacket is not current. And his daughter just died recently. :( On the upside, Dripsody is available on a Canadian Music CD (Vol.II) collection distributed by Sony Music. Having to wade through the other crap on the $20 CD reminds how much I miss 45's. I'd even accept a cassingle... (Is it any wonder hometaping thrives?) - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 11:53:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25015; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:53:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bfb5df$8708d260$1f46ccd1@kasinskas> From: "Joe Kasinskas" To: References: <5b.55a4dd1.264239b6@aol.com> Subject: Re: A loopy education; was:Dripsody Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:43:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"4m7G02.0.wo5.lfP4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: A loopy education; was:Dripsody > I'm very happy to here that many of us here were exposed to the outer edges > of art at an early age. The Cubist statement, made me laugh as I just > exposed some 10 year old kids to Surrealism today. I will say that as a > music teacher that attempts to open my kids' minds, the process is not as > easy as one would assume. First, I still feel a pressure from my colleagues > and from parents to teach more tradition subject material I have to applaud your work with these kids. They are exactly the right age to be exposed to the stuff-outside- the-box. Ten-year-olds get this stuff so easily because their worldview is yet to be established. The "educationists" in charge of music education in the schools are missing this point in trying to have notation and the "classics" taught in general music classes. Last year I worked up a hands-on gallery installation of Alvin Lucier's "Queen of the South", Steve Reich's "Pendulum Music" and a version of George Brecht's (Fluxus) "Drip Music" for a month long show in Helena, MT. This stuff was the a real stretch for people used to traditional arts. It was an intro to installation music and historically prepared people for Trimpin's "Colonininpurple" which was installed at the Art Museum in the same town. Trimpin is a soundartist/sculptor from Seattle - anyone seen/heard his stuff?). Kids accepted the strewn material vibrating on a leveled set of floor toms driven by a synth that they got to play. In Queen of the South the "notation" is the image patterns that appear on the surface of the drums. They had to explore and try different things and come up with various approaches. The search became the music. A looping mentality that is frankly missing in most music education. In my travels with these pieces I have encountered a lot of support from science teachers because the music brings the notions of resonance, pendulum decay, dopler shift, etc alive and puts them in peoples' hands and not an abstract set of principles in a textbook to be approached theoretically. In the past you would have had trouble with a music supervisor doing these things but with the recent move toward Interdisciplinary Education in educationist circles the science / art / music interface may make that same music sup stand up and take notice and maybe even enjoy the fact that kids are having a great time in the exploration mode. Loop and Learn. I totally agree with Larry Tremblay - hats off to you, SketchyJoe. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 12:30:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29016; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:30:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <8.48b550a.2642fe5f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:25:03 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"y6m7G1.0.Uy6.9IQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually we all sentient, you can even transend you human animal boundaries-wow From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 12:43:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30431; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:36:45 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples suggestion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"EweHY2.0.9D7.LTQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I mean really, just take a nephew or girl friends daughter or what have you to a park and bring a tape deck with a condenser mic and see what you find. Then you could EQ it at home. Peace MOtley From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 12:40:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30213; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:40:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:20:24 EDT Subject: Re: Female Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"njnFJ3.0.Js6.jDQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Racism starts as a bad joke gone too far From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 13:07:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00869; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:07:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:07:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005031935.OAA06746@servidor.unam.mx> References: <200005031935.OAA06746@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:53:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Female Loopers? tot OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"SMRbj3.0.CZ7.NcQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > excuse me but I thought we were all humans, what other races are you >taking about??? > great, thank you! right: The Human Race. racism is liking the pets more ;-) interesting really, if I remember biology correctly: A Species englobes all individuals that are able to procriate. Races are subgroups with different caracteristics but procriate amongst them. So there are several (maybe many?!) human races and only one human species. Then again, maybe Races comes from horse races where a pure race is strong... well, they mixed it all up... which is the best chance to get rid of racism, as we do it here in Brasil. Everyone is more or less brown :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 12:42:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30420; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:42:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:42:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.4f58408.2642fcf1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:18:57 EDT Subject: Re: New Project To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"lvbxr1.0.Eq6.iCQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tell me what you discover if you do!!!! I am APerson7531@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 13:08:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00993; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:08:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000503211847.11423.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> References: <20000503211847.11423.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:53:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"d3vW4.0.mY7.DcQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >FYI, >The last time I bought ram for the EDP (4 SIMMs, 4mb >each) they cost $12-15 a stick ($48-60 total). >bret and you find them used, out of 486 computers ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 13:32:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04216; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:32:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c601bfb539$5825d160$b3e731d4@oemcomputer> References: <01c601bfb539$5825d160$b3e731d4@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:53:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"vGABC.0.IY7.4cQ4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >I spoke to Rick Elswit who was VERY helpful, and a pleasant guy to deal >with. He's sorted me out with a memory upgrade, and my 'plex will only take >two days to travel to the UK (where I live.) what? it travels back to UK where it came from?? Probably due to CE testing... what a mad world... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 14:57:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13129; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:57:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:25:20 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GmWG-2.0.Fp2.MFS4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com forwarded to the list for David: >From: David Kirkdorffer >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' >Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:58:48 -0400 > >Lee - > >Just so you know, Jon at Alto has so far shipped about 70 Echoplexes to >people across the world. That probably makes him the world's number one >Echoplex dealer. > >The price he has been offering is barely above his cost: > > $608 for the EDP > $95 for the footpedal > > $703 Total plus applicable taxes > >In defense of Jon, he has been a very good person to work with. > > >Kim - as my e-mail at work has changed once again (!) can you post this to >the list, as it will probably bounce for me. Many thanks. > >David Kirkdorffer > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lee Fletcher [mailto:lee@waterleat.screaming.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:54 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' > > >Hi Folks, > >Thanks to Claude and Robert for their assistance in my quest to buy an >Echoplex... In the end I opted for a NEW unit from 'Bananas At Large' in >California ( www.bananas.com ) as mentioned by Kim recently. > >I spoke to Rick Elswit who was VERY helpful, and a pleasant guy to deal >with. He's sorted me out with a memory upgrade, and my 'plex will only take >two days to travel to the UK (where I live.) > >I will join Kim in recommending Bananas' to the list. They're not the >cheapest, but they do have stock, (unlike Alto-Music who are currently >selling non-existent stock on a promise,) and are sympathetic to the looping >cause :-) > >Price = $908 for the basic unit + footpedal. Full upgrade = $100. > >Cheers, (can't wait till the weekend!) > >Lee >http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 14:18:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09497; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:18:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:18:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b601bfb5f4$2cc7c300$bbed31d4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: "David Kirkdorffer" , References: Subject: Re: Echoplex Goes 'Bananas' Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:10:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"upWf02.0.K72.RsR4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Kirkdorffer wrote:- > Just so you know, Jon at Alto has so far shipped about 70 Echoplexes to > people across the world. That probably makes him the world's number one > Echoplex dealer. > > The price he has been offering is barely above his cost: > > $608 for the EDP > $95 for the footpedal > > $703 Total plus applicable taxes > > In defense of Jon, he has been a very good person to work with. Fair enough David, but please understand that I wasn't questioning Alto's reputation, or history as a 'plex dealer. There's no denying that their price is the best, (I did say that Bananas' weren't the cheapest.) My point was simply that Alto don't actually have any stock (yet,) and were HOPING to fulfil orders over the next few months. At least this is what they told me during a telephone conversation earlier this week... Also, to those who posted about the cost of memory, I accept (once again) that Bananas' may charge a little more. Amazingly though, even with the international shipping included, I am spending over 200 pounds LESS in total than the price Trace Elliot have quoted as the eventual UK tag :-) Cheers, Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.screaming.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 14:06:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26773; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <6.5831c06.2642f98c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:04:28 EDT Subject: leads To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"pHzf22.0.VN6.r-P4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know of a good synth I could use as my lead? Which anologue leads can keep a large bank of keyboard played in songs and also sync to midi clock! Any help could save my life-thanks MOt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 16:46:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24598; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:46:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DD9@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:36:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"7ifsP3.0.rp5.k2U4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Poppen [mailto:zebu@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:50 PM > > I found this link, a bit of a bio... > http://204.225.143.1/millennium/electronic_music/em_lecaine.html > > Anyone know where to get a copy of the actual recording (Dripsody)? Is > there a site with a sound file, perhaps? I'm feeling left out. Not bad for such a brief bio, except that the caption is wrong on the first picture. That's actually the touch-sensitive organ he's playing. The electronic Sackbut is in the lower picture. There is a book about Dr. LeCaine called "The Sackbut Blues" which may still be available. You can contact the author, Gayle Young, at: sound@musicworks-mag.com . There is an accompanying LP that contains Dripsody, as well as several other pieces by LeCaine. I'm not sure if there are still copies available, or if it has been pressed on CD, but you can find out from Gayle. Actually, I just remembered that Dripsody is also available on a Naxos CD called "Introduction to Canadian Music." It's a 2-disc set with booklet and, as usual with Naxos, it's very reasonably priced. I don't remember the serial number off-hand, but if anyone's interested I can find out. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 17:25:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28047; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:25:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DDA@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Dripsody Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YYdly1.0.xm6.icU4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Tremblay [mailto:ltct@concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 1:18 AM > > In 1955 he recorded the sound of a water drip and manipulated it > using a variable-speed tape deck. He create the two-minute song > consisting of nothing more than the sound of the drip speed-up > or slowed-down. Whew! That's what I call gripped by a vision. Not only that, but he did it all in one night! Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 20:21:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11111; Thu, 4 May 2000 20:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:21:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfb625$8734e8a0$83ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #162 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8eQzz1.0.jH2.1_W4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #162 April 27, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the second annual NEARfest, North East Art Rock Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The Feature CD at Midnight was As a sampler provided by NEARfest President, Rob LaDuca. In addition to NEARfest, Echolyn, along with Priam, will be performing on Preview Night at CrockodileRock on Friday, June 16. The music of Ian Boddy was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering on May 6, 2000. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Excelsior] Conscious Freq Ambient Landscapes 2 (Dark Duck) Wave World The Mountain Structures (Quantum) Eric van der Heijden Attacca con Brio - AC Powered Da Capo (Groove) Klause Schulze Just an Old-fashioned Schulze Track Trailer (Serie Poem/Manikin) Centrozoon Sign Blast (DiN) Dub Atomica (Boddy+Mullaney) Atomicity Autonomic (DiN) 12:00 am Nexus Tiempo sin Razon NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Nexus La Espiral NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Il Belletto di Bronzo Epilogo NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Thinking Plague Dead Silence NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Thinking Plague Behold the Man NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Par Lindh Project Baroque Impression #1 NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Par Lindh Project The Cathedral #1 NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) Transatlantic All of the Above * NEARfest 2000 Sampler (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at midnight will be "Big Weather" on the Linden Music label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 22:45:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23980; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:45:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:10:21 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ibanez DM1100 manual/invert function? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NYRHp3.0.ZT5.G7Z4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Sholle wrote: > > Anyone out there have a manual for the venerable Ibanez DM1100 or know > anything about the "invert" function? > Thanks- > Jon Sholle > The Reverend is correct, invert is a phase-inversion of (only) the delayed signal ... useful if you have a stereo panner and want some wicked tremelo on your delay while leaving the through signal intact (or panning) ... as for a manual, none is really needed ... although one unusual feature is the way the hold function works -- it loops in the 900 - 3600 ms range depending on the "fine" d-time knob regardless of where the "course" d-time selector knob is ... you can flange with the thing set at (say) 14ms, press hold and the flanged stuff will loop at 1800 ms ... with the modulation settings now applying to the longer loop ... weird brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 4 23:39:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28318; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:39:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: midi navigator Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:34:59 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"ITHy22.0.Pq6.c5a4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com greetings all --can Anyone tell me what a oberheim Navigator does--i picked one up real cheapo today --no manual however ! K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 00:13:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31688; Fri, 5 May 2000 00:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:13:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006a01bfb644$85082c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: Acid Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"GvmAJ3.0.eL7.iQa4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just starting to see its potential. What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or what? Any tricks or tips to share? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 01:32:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08958; Fri, 5 May 2000 01:32:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:32:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005a01bfb653$6e956ad0$86310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> <006a01bfb644$85082c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:33:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"9EJKi1.0.R62.amb4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Peter - Actually, I found Acid somewhat disappointing and limited. I downloaded an evaluation copy and played with it for about a month. It's OK for what it is - i.e, software for creating fairly linear sample-based music - but that's about it. One man's opinion. - Larry T > I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to > get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just > starting to see its potential. > > What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the > program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or > what? Any tricks or tips to share? > > > Peter > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 01:39:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09612; Fri, 5 May 2000 01:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:39:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000505051943.18949.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: midi navigator To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2biPV1.0.lx1.pdb4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think this one stumped the panel a year or two ago. You might find a manual here... http://www.magicnet.net/~mglnsky/msg4.html My web search indicates that the May 1989 issue of Keyboard had a review of this, as well as the Oberheim Cyclone & the Oberheim Systemizer. The actual review was not on-line though. John --- Keenan Lawler wrote: > greetings all --can Anyone tell me what a oberheim > Navigator does--i picked > one up real cheapo today --no manual however ! K ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 02:58:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16063; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:58:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:54:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001001bfb65e$b51f6d60$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006a01bfb644$85082c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"rzoep.0.Hr3.O0d4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Peter, > I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm > also hoping to I had been toying with ACID a little bit, but did not find it useful for my personal purposes. As for looping, it doesn't imho offer enough possibilities for realtime loop processing. What the using of sample loops concerns, it doesn't offer so many possibilities which I wouldn't have using Cubase VST Audio, so I stick with that. > What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds > included with the > program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your > own playing, or I used mostly "bits from other recordings". A friend of mine, DJ with a strong oldschool black background and some current work in the dance direction is using acid with great success. Guess it's just a software for non-musicians... mfg, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 03:10:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17151; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 03:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <55.57b6411.2643caa4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:56:36 EDT Subject: Re: Acid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"FClg92.0.Dv3.A3d4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From my trial period with Acid, I see it as a relatively simple sequencer. It's ideal for more repetitious type music like electronica or Glass style minimalism. I honestly feel that many of the digital audio sequencers available do not offer much more than simple repetition. I would like to see a program that will take audio information and manipulate it on the fly or even a program that will apply random effects to a sample. In fact my idea for all of this came from working with the Mac program M. I really wanted to be able to input midi data in real time and have the computer recombine the various data randomly (which M can do with an established data set). Imagine a situation where the dynamics of one sample are applied to a completely unrelated sample. Really, I want a computer that will improvise with my input as opposed to the current system in which I (the human element) must react to the program. In otherwords, a computer would have to process a fuzzy logic in discrete terms rather than a human having to make a precise work a little more fuzzy. If anybody knows of such methods, I would be eternally grateful. Sorry if this is a little strange, my brain is a little askew. :-) Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 03:31:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18637; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:31:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 03:31:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bfb661$a46db780$5f72fd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: References: <6.5831c06.2642f98c@aol.com> Subject: Re: leads Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:21 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"fpWmA2.0.-J4.GKd4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a Sequitial Circuits 6-Track, wich is supposedly one of the 1st MIDI keyboards and it operates on the "subtractive synthesis" (ie the Moog) format with anolog noise generators. All the parameters are controlled from a key pad and one control knob( and I believe able to be controlled via exterior sources ala MIDI). This sucks if you don't know what your doing but if you read up on the fundamentals of synthesis its not too bad and consequintly makes it a hell of alot cheaper. I saw the "studio bitch" second keyboardist for the groudbreaking Silver Apples use one with good results. I myself am a guitar player and do only a minumal amount of programing on it but find it to be pretty dope. I dunno, what you're goin for there hotshot, but you should maybe look into it; or at least check out my listing on loopers delight and see if we're on the same wave length. casey sweten ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: leads > Anyone know of a good synth I could use as my lead? > Which anologue leads can keep a large bank of keyboard played in songs and > also sync to midi clock! > Any help could save my life-thanks MOt > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 07:55:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA05560; Fri, 5 May 2000 07:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:55:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000505115001.2225.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.15] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Ldarthard@Ameritech.net Subject: Re: Acid Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 04:50:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Resent-Message-ID: <"p8a7F.0.TH1.DMh4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

Well I've been using ACID for about 18 months, (since ACID 1.0 build 41), and IT"S DA BOMB !!!!!!!!
Check out my review in  http://www.sharbor.com/products/SFOI0250010.html
after reading it, you will be amazed at this apps versitility, and performance.
Now, the tricks and tips are various.
If you have any questions about a specific trick, or something you want to attempt in ACID, email me at  DJ_Devious_D@Hotmail.com

I use a mirad of sounds. Things I create in other apps, (like FruityLoops, HiPHop EJay, Cool Edit Pro), then I import them into ACID 2.0.

You can even use ACID like a MultiTrack editor....

I'll create a track from FruityLoops, then I'll ACIDIZE it, then import it as a WAV file into ACID, then overlay or mix in ACID pre-recorded loops, or original loops of my own.

I can go on for minutes about this, but I digress.....

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From: "Peter Shindler"
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To:
Subject: Acid
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:39 -0400

I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to
get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just
starting to see its potential.

What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the
program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or
what? Any tricks or tips to share?


Peter




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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 08:02:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06634; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:02:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:02:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000505115743.84352.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.15] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: playground samples? Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 04:57:43 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Resent-Message-ID: <"7rJ1d1.0.eQ1.OTh4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

I have some special effects records, that I bought 14 years ago, that specialized in children sounds. I have these records in my collection, but I have not sampled them, or uploaded them to my PC.

The Stylistics album, Round 2 has a playground sample on it, as a leadin track to "Children Of The Night".

It's good, and clean.


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Subject: playground samples?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:45:20 EDT

looking for a sample of kids playing...........maybe someone here can help or
offer some advice?
thanks in advance!
brian
ebnoise

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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 09:16:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13192; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:16:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000505125835.83251.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.162.15] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Ldarthard@Ameritech.net Subject: Re: Acid Without the HTML Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 05:58:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9OPfV1.0.Om2.SMi4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I've been using ACID for about 18 months, (since ACID 1.0 build 41), and IT"S DA BOMB !!!!!!!! Check out my review in http://www.sharbor.com/products/SFOI0250010.html after reading it, you will be amazed at this apps versitility, and performance. Now, the tricks and tips are various. If you have any questions about a specific trick, or something you want to attempt in ACID, email me at DJ_Devious_D@Hotmail.com I use a mirad of sounds. Things I create in other apps, (like FruityLoops, HiPHop EJay, Cool Edit Pro), then I import them into ACID 2.0. You can even use ACID like a MultiTrack editor.... I'll create a track from FruityLoops, then I'll ACIDIZE it, then import it as a WAV file into ACID, then overlay or mix in ACID pre-recorded loops, or original loops of my own. I can go on for minutes about this, but I digress..... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Peter Shindler" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Subject: Acid Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:39 -0400 I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just starting to see its potential. What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or what? Any tricks or tips to share? Peter ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 10:02:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17655; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:02:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:02:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Acid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:27:07 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 05/05/2000 14:27:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"H5FC53.0.0Q3.Oni4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ACID is a great tool, with a pretty smooth time-stretch algorithm for bringing things into synch. I do find that it's best to make the loops using other tools like AudioMulch, Rebirth, Amen (sometimes), FruityLoops etc. .. ACID is a sequencer, not really at it's best when generating sounds, although it does support VST plug-ins. Oddly, the way it fits every loop into the master tempo prevents you from creating polyrhythms .. if your have a sample in 4/4 and one in 7/8, they both come out the same length: a thoroughly bizzare effect ! I'd agree that Cubase VST and Logic Audio are still the best (pricey) choice. It's not useful for realtime looping at all .. it's a sequencer. It requires time and methodical effort to create anything .. a good knowledge of step programming, cross-fading and the ability to listen to a 4 second segment over and over and over without going mad are all useful :-) Most Useful Tip so far: click on a sample segment holding down both the left and right mouse buttons, and drag left/right. This changes the sample's start offset. Great for dropping in different bits of a sample (esp. drums). Use this while in loop mode to create a semi-random breakbeat effect in realtime. > Guess it's just a software for non-musicians... Hee hee .. I won't start .. ;-) There are a few things created by myself and others while checking out this app @ http://www.geocities.com/vibrolounge/ try "In The Thrall of Spirits" for a not-really-techno effect, or "Da Ballad of Ali G." (which will make no sense to anyone who hasn't seen the TV show) for some breakbeat resequecing of a Cobham-esque drum loop John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 12:43:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32052; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED428301386797@deimos.tld.com> From: Mark Turi To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:40:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: <"YMNSM3.0.mj7.cal4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Acid can be used 'real time' .. ( with pre -recorded loops ) .. you can make an 'arrangement' .. set it to loop @ 16 bars ... hit play .. then replace whole tracks ( by knowing where to drop audio files ) .. using this method you can morf styles in real time from errrr.. techno to salsa ( eeek ! ) also it sends midi time code for locking up a device like a echoplex .. mt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 12:54:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01183; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:54:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Drum and Bass Loops Message-ID: <0056910004888117000002L172*@MHS> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:47:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/05/00 11:52:27" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id MAA32730 Resent-Message-ID: <"HHXH51.0.j_7.ejl4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, What are all of your thoughts on the best PC software to create cool drum and bass loops? I would be using the loop to download to my SP-808EX, there to be used to create new rhythms in real-time, that would underly and support real time loops created on my EDP. That is my vision anyway. Ideas? Thoughts? Experiences? Thanks, Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 13:00:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01818; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:00:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:00:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000505165435.27428.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Buck Subject: Festival Announcement To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PqUK12.0.EI.Fpl4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola Groovers- Thought I would mention this as there is some L.A. diaspora on the list, and some of you are exploring the microtones... MICROFEST 2000 A Southern California Festival of Microtonal Music http://www.anaphoria.com/concerts.html selam, Buck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 13:34:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05751; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:34:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:34:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"cuGLp.0.Y61.LHm4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Oddly, the way it fits every >loop into the master tempo prevents you from creating polyrhythms .. if >your have a sample in 4/4 and one in 7/8, they both come out the same >length: a thoroughly bizzare effect ! I'd agree that Cubase VST and Logic >Audio are still the best (pricey) choice. Click on the properties tab for the sample and change the number of '8th notes' from 8 to 7. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 14:01:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09148; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:01:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 10:41:52 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com Subject: Re: Drum and Bass Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"ygrHm.0.cl1.xWm4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't use any computer music programs yet, but have heard several people rave about the price AND versatility of Fruity Loops. -Miko >>> 05/05 9:52 AM >>> All, What are all of your thoughts on the best PC software to create cool drum and bass loops? I would be using the loop to download to my SP-808EX, there to be used to create new rhythms in real-time, that would underly and support real time loops created on my EDP. That is my vision anyway. Ideas? Thoughts? Experiences? Thanks, Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 14:16:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10936; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:16:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bfb6bb$49de2ca0$7423dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Gear sale Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:56:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZljsO2.0.F32.4km4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has David been picked up by the Harmony Central police or something? I wanted to get one of the Zoom 2100's but haven't heard from him... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:01 PM Subject: Gear sale > Before I go to Harmony Central, I'd like to run this list past my loop > friends. Going the software route, can use the bucks. > > Home studio items for sale, all mint, original boxes and manuals, pedals > never even stepped on, prices plus COD Fed Ex: > > Mackie 1202-VLZ PRO, 8 mo. old. The best of its kind. Cost $370. Price > $290 (plus $22 ship) > Boss VF-1 multiprocessor, 5 mo. old. Half rack unit, incredible. Cost > $400. Price $320 (plus $17 ship) > Waldorf 4 Pole filter unit, 3 mo. old. What am I, nuts? Filter madness. > Cost $450. Price $380 (plus $17 ship) > Lexicon Reflex, 18 mo. old. Does stuff the new MPX's don't, nice unit. > Cost $280 at blowout. Price $175 (plus $15 ship) > Akai Headrush delay/looper, 6 mo. old. Fripperpedal. Cost $180. Price > $120 (plus $12 ship) > (Two) Zoom 2100 floor effects units, 6 mo. old. Many effects plus great > looping capabilities. Cost $150-$100 (blowout), now discontinued. Price > $85 each (plus $15 ship) > Boss PS-3 pitch shifter/delay pedal, 1 yr old. Cost $150. Price $70 (plus > $12 ship) > Boss MT-2 Metal Zone pedal, 1 yr. old. Cost $95. Price $50 (plus $12 ship) > > Thanks all. > > David Myers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 14:43:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13522; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:43:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:43:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Drum and Bass Loops Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <0056910004888117000002L172*@MHS> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"oiVyY.0.v-2.a9n4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes - come over and hang with me - I'm already doing this, and you live practically down the street. bIz -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Drum and Bass Loops All, What are all of your thoughts on the best PC software to create cool drum and bass loops? I would be using the loop to download to my SP-808EX, there to be used to create new rhythms in real-time, that would underly and support real time loops created on my EDP. That is my vision anyway. Ideas? Thoughts? Experiences? Thanks, Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 15:15:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17237; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701bfb6c2$640c46a0$b8425b80@upenn.edu> From: "David Petrozzi" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum and Bass Loops Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:47:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"n4HUt2.0.HN3.gRn4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I don't use any computer music programs yet, but have heard several > people rave about the price AND versatility of Fruity Loops. I'm a fruity loops user and would concur with the above. The program is both intuitive and expansive. The interface is very easy to use, and just about any sound file can be imported into the sequence. The ability to save as mp3 is also very handy. However, I have little familiarity with Cubebase or Cakewalk and would look into them first since they seem to be the real deal thus far in computer composition software. just some thoughts, ~dp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 16:10:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22411; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.514f493.264483ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:06:05 EDT Subject: Re: Gear sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qg7qv.0.2P5.Jdo4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm worried also. I hope he's ok. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 17:29:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29327; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:29:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jeffsg4255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:16:28 EDT Subject: Re: Acid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"ACDrP3.0.4t6.Hfp4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does Acid DJ have midi? I didn't see any..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 17:42:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30257; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:42:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:42:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:40:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"s4YJ_1.0.rJ7.yzp4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com None of the acid programmers have midi input, except for smpte sync. They're not sequencers. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Jeffsg4255@aol.com [mailto:Jeffsg4255@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acid Does Acid DJ have midi? I didn't see any..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 18:11:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00590; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:11:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:11:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001bfb6dc$1c5731c0$4f71fd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: References: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> <006a01bfb644$85082c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:19:05 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"AStZC1.0.ng7.6Aq4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My roomate has it and I've fiddled with it. It seems that inserting your own loops into the program can be a bit of a chore. You have to do it from an external editor I guess, and then hope it imports without any glitches. I am definetly no expert, and I'm sure theirs some dude out there that thinks I'm an idiot for not "getting it" but from one inexperienced ACIDer to another it seems like: IT COULD SUCK TO TRY AND NOT USE THE PREMADE ACID LOOPS. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Acid > I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to > get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just > starting to see its potential. > > What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the > program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or > what? Any tricks or tips to share? > > > Peter > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 19:01:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04616; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:01:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:01:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000001bfb6dc$1c5731c0$4f71fd3f@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"hMyVm2.0.-c.zpq4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's not hard at all to insert your own loops, or even record them directly into acid. Very easy. bIz -----Original Message----- From: jeff immer [mailto:jetliner@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acid My roomate has it and I've fiddled with it. It seems that inserting your own loops into the program can be a bit of a chore. You have to do it from an external editor I guess, and then hope it imports without any glitches. I am definetly no expert, and I'm sure theirs some dude out there that thinks I'm an idiot for not "getting it" but from one inexperienced ACIDer to another it seems like: IT COULD SUCK TO TRY AND NOT USE THE PREMADE ACID LOOPS. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Acid > I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping to > get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just > starting to see its potential. > > What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the > program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or > what? Any tricks or tips to share? > > > Peter > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 20:50:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13684; Fri, 5 May 2000 20:50:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:50:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bfb6f0$5e136980$38bbaec7@wk1> From: "DTRohr" To: References: <0056910004888117000002L172*@MHS> Subject: A Thought On Bass Samples Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:16:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"EKb5l1.0.of2.mJs4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Everybody! I play Bass. I have the ability to record samples directly to my computer. If I were to make samples ( I know there's already a lot out there that are really good) but just curious if I were to do that, what would be the best format? What's the best way to record them. I would be willing to post them on what limited space I have on my website free for the folks on list if there is interest, but since I'm new to this I really would like to work on getting the best sample possible, but I don't really know where to start. Maybe there's something that you really want but isn't out there...a passage from a particular tune maybe....just thoughts - -Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 22:21:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21017; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:21:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bfb6fe$76199640$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <39122D8D.AA08C6AE@latrobe.edu.au> <006a01bfb644$85082c80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <000001bfb6dc$1c5731c0$4f71fd3f@default> Subject: Re: Acid Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"k1twb.0.RZ4.Ekt4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is completly not the case- it is extremely easy to record/use your own files in Acid- that is part of the attraction for me- Here's how to do it if you are not recording inside of Acid- To ACIDize a File Select the Properties tab. Select the Track tab on the Properties tab. Specify file properties in the Track type, Number of beats, and Root note for transposing boxes. Click the Save As button . This button will open the Save As dialog and allow you to save the ACIDized file as a new file or a replacement of the current file. If you cannot or do not wish to save a new file, you can set the properties to suit your needs, and they will be saved with the ACID project. However, this means that you will have to set the properties for every project where you use the loop. ACIDizing the file allows you to "set and forget" the properties so that it will work in any project. If you edit an ACIDized file in another audio-editing program, it is possible that the ACID-specific data will be removed. Simply perform the preceding procedure to re-ACIDize the file Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff immer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Acid > My roomate has it and I've fiddled with it. It seems that inserting your own > loops into the program can be a bit of a chore. You have to do it from an > external editor I guess, and then hope it imports without any glitches. I am > definetly no expert, and I'm sure theirs some dude out there that thinks I'm > an idiot for not "getting it" but from one inexperienced ACIDer to another > it seems like: IT COULD SUCK TO TRY AND NOT USE THE PREMADE ACID LOOPS. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Shindler > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:46 PM > Subject: Acid > > > > I'm curious to know how many loopers are using Acid, and I'm also hoping > to > > get some ideas. I've had it for about 6 months and I think I'm just > > starting to see its potential. > > > > What do you use it for? Do you mostly use the sounds included with the > > program, or bits from other recordings, or samples of your own playing, or > > what? Any tricks or tips to share? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 22:40:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22531; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:40:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:40:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.46abef9.2644de1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:31:58 EDT Subject: Re: midi navigator To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"gGQkg1.0.sH5.3Hu4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is a midi navigator? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 22:33:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21697; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <38.58b2632.2644d75c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:03:08 EDT Subject: EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"EaZ9N3.0.9n4.urt4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alto Music will be receiving over 30 EDP's and foot controllers this week.We shipped 45 last month and will be getting more.Thanks for your patience. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 5 23:11:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24985; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:11:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: APerson7531@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.503847e.2644e3b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:55:45 EDT Subject: Re: A loopy education; was:Dripsody To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"oRcHi2.0.Hl5.Pdu4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I give you my respect Joe, you are amazing and inspiring, I love that From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 6 01:42:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07887; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:42:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.20000506152420.02d2ecd0@pop-server> X-Sender: myf@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 15:36:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Drum and Bass Loops In-Reply-To: <0056910004888117000002L172*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xW5tW3.0.em1.A_w4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kamlapati: I do this a lot and would have used Recycle and my sampler 2 years ago, until I discovered SF AcidPro. I find it incredibly easy to use and extremely powerful. You can change tempo on the fly, alter pitch, and slice loops instantly. I don't know much about how you transfer samples to your sampler, but it's done thru scsi and a little utility with my Akai sampler. I don't miss Recycle to be honest. I have used Wavesurgeon as well, and tried manually altering drum loops in an audio editor like Wavelab, but nothing beats Acid. I know some people rave about Fruity Loops, but I found the UI a bit irritating and it doesn't seem to adjust loops to different tempo (although maybe I missed this function). Sorry for my ignorance, but what's EDP (he asks embarrasedly)? At 11:47 AM 5/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >All, > >What are all of your thoughts on the best PC software to create cool drum >and bass loops? I would be using the loop to download to my SP-808EX, there >to be used to create new rhythms in real-time, that would underly and >support real time loops created on >my EDP. That is my vision anyway. > >Ideas? Thoughts? Experiences? > >Thanks, >Kamlapati > Llasher myf@bigpond.net.au ICQ# 19784689 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 6 04:29:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19216; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bfb733$822d86a0$c42a9d3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <001d01bfb4f7$d97e0620$be9cb8d4@oemcomputer> <39103880.B49A6785@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Logic audio and VS workstations Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:16:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"_esx9.0.wW4.vLz4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There's the Logic VS program, which was designed specifically for that. > Logic Audio Platinum supports the VS, as, I believe, does Logic Audio Gold. > Does anybody know if this program also supports the VS 840 as well?Somewhere i read it supports the VS880 and VS1680 but no mention of theVS 840 thanks Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 6 04:49:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20898; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:49:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:49:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000506074636.10815.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: A Loopy Bedtime Story To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"e6Lly.0.714.jty4v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I paid a long overdue visit to an old friend of mine last week. He's the guy who gave me my first guitar lessons some 25 years ago when I was a roadie in his band. I've been trying for the last two years to describe looping to him via telephone. I take along my Line6 DL4 & give a quick & dirty demo. He's suitably impressed & sez he might get one. Then I start looking at some of the effects stuff he has on hand. I find a Digitech Whammy-Wah that he uses "sometimes" & a Digitech RDS 900 that he found cheap but never uses. "It's got chorus, flange, & a little bit of delay", he sez. I had never played with one of these RDS thingys before, but I do pay attention when you folks go off on all things loopy! I ran the RDS into the Whammy- Wah & then commenced to playing strings, pushing buttons, turning knobs, & putting the pedal to the metal. My friend sits there for a solid hour as I spin out bird noises, synth pads, clouds of frogs, and at one point, a particularly evil duet with Charles Manson. When I was done, my friend nodded his head & gave his valediction. "Just leave everything hooked up the way it is", he sez. Do we have a convert? Only time will tell. All I know is that I've added a Digitech RDS-xxx to my already large list of things I want. The list gets bigger, but my budget does not. :( John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 6 09:22:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04074; Sat, 6 May 2000 09:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:22:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000506124615.56167.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.51] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Loopy Bedtime Story Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:46:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"qPZ3z3.0.6U.wG15v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm afraid you have G.A.S. John. (gear aquisition syndrom) We have a 12 step program for those unfortunate souls that can't stop buying gear. When you are ready to surrender you can always counts on us being here...here..here...here........>>>>>>>>>>>>.........Om and Loop on >From: John Tidwell >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: A Loopy Bedtime Story >Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:46:36 -0700 (PDT) > >I paid a long overdue visit to an old friend of mine >last week. He's the guy who gave me my first guitar >lessons some 25 years ago when I was a roadie in his >band. I've been trying for the last two years to >describe looping to him via telephone. > >I take along my Line6 DL4 & give a quick & dirty >demo. He's suitably impressed & sez he might get one. >Then I start looking at some of the effects stuff he >has on hand. I find a Digitech Whammy-Wah that he >uses "sometimes" & a Digitech RDS 900 that he found >cheap but never uses. "It's got chorus, flange, & a >little bit of delay", he sez. > >I had never played with one of these RDS thingys >before, but I do pay attention when you folks go off >on all things loopy! I ran the RDS into the Whammy- >Wah & then commenced to playing strings, pushing >buttons, turning knobs, & putting the pedal to the >metal. My friend sits there for a solid hour as I >spin out bird noises, synth pads, clouds of frogs, >and at one point, a particularly evil duet with >Charles Manson. When I was done, my friend nodded his >head & gave his valediction. "Just leave everything >hooked up the way it is", he sez. > >Do we have a convert? Only time will tell. > >All I know is that I've added a Digitech RDS-xxx >to my already large list of things I want. The list >gets bigger, but my budget does not. :( > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 6 15:54:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30407; Sat, 6 May 2000 15:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:54:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bfb790$70687210$87310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000506074636.10815.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: A Loopy Bedtime Story Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"N3op-2.0.qo6.R075v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nice bedtime story, John. Great ending, too. As a fellow loop evangelist I can appreciate your experience with you friend. Once you show someone how it's done and what's possible, that's all it takes to convert them. I agree with you about the Digitech RDS series of delays - they are still THE workhorses of loopology. I have (4) 7.6's, (2) 4000's and (1) 8000 and think they're great! Add a few FX-17 footpedals to control the VCO's and you've got a serious mayhem factory. Best of all, they can still be found for cheap on eB*y and elsewhere. Thanks for sharing. :) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 3:46 AM Subject: A Loopy Bedtime Story > I paid a long overdue visit to an old friend of mine > last week. He's the guy who gave me my first guitar > lessons some 25 years ago when I was a roadie in his > band. I've been trying for the last two years to > describe looping to him via telephone. > > I take along my Line6 DL4 & give a quick & dirty > demo. He's suitably impressed & sez he might get one. > Then I start looking at some of the effects stuff he > has on hand. I find a Digitech Whammy-Wah that he > uses "sometimes" & a Digitech RDS 900 that he found > cheap but never uses. "It's got chorus, flange, & a > little bit of delay", he sez. > > I had never played with one of these RDS thingys > before, but I do pay attention when you folks go off > on all things loopy! I ran the RDS into the Whammy- > Wah & then commenced to playing strings, pushing > buttons, turning knobs, & putting the pedal to the > metal. My friend sits there for a solid hour as I > spin out bird noises, synth pads, clouds of frogs, > and at one point, a particularly evil duet with > Charles Manson. When I was done, my friend nodded his > head & gave his valediction. "Just leave everything > hooked up the way it is", he sez. > > Do we have a convert? Only time will tell. > > All I know is that I've added a Digitech RDS-xxx > to my already large list of things I want. The list > gets bigger, but my budget does not. :( > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 04:54:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22787; Sat, 6 May 2000 22:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:29:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:10:53 EDT Subject: Re: A Loopy Bedtime Story To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <"P29Jw3.0.kK5.25D5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com - they are still THE workhorses of loopology. I have (4) 7.6's, (2) 4000's and (1) 8000 and think they're great! Add a few FX-17 footpedals to control the VCO's and you've got a serious mayhem factory. Best of all, they can still be found for cheap on eB*y and elsewhere. eB*y is quite a nasty four letter word. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:00:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29666; Sat, 6 May 2000 23:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:55:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <11.35cf9b2.26463ea2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:36:02 EDT Subject: Re: A Loopy Bedtime Story To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"gBf_43.0.Jq6.DJE5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good luck on your search for an RDS unit John. If you can find one, get an RDS7.6, those things are the greatest. The Didgitech RDS7.6 was my first tool for looping and it was great because you could really tweak the loop after it was in. I sold mine after I got my Jam Man to free up some rack space but was able to buy it back a year later-duh. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:13:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11825; Sat, 6 May 2000 19:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:41:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3914A87A.2F9880E3@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 19:19:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." Subject: I have a new short piece at Bhaisajya's Video Shack. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fazPU1.0.Rc2.6cA5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a new short mp3 at Bhaisajya's Video Shack. It's the one named Land of Vibration down at the bottom of the page. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video enjoy -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:17:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25884; Sat, 6 May 2000 23:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:12:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3914DA76.A2BFFA90@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:52:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I have a new short piece at Bhaisajya's Video Shack. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qPtqh3.0.h06.AiD5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not sure this went through the first time: I have a new short mp3 at Bhaisajya's Video Shack. It's the one named Land of Vibration down at the bottom of the page. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video enjoy -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:19:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10264; Sun, 7 May 2000 02:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 02:01:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bfb7da$e0d3e580$3d0454d2@Thorgal> From: "tb" To: Subject: Re: EDP Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:37:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YhwEX3.0.Yb1.VmF5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, what is the price for an edp + footped at alto+ shipping to australia? I cant find the website ta -----Original Message----- From: JHKNICKS@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: EDP >Alto Music will be receiving over 30 EDP's and foot controllers this week.We >shipped 45 last month and will be getting more.Thanks for your patience. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:22:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04918; Sat, 6 May 2000 09:31:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:31:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3914178A.32693D59@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 14:00:58 +0100 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acid References: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED428301386797@deimos.tld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tJTRI2.0.qj.9U15v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use Acid pH1, one of the lite variants, so no MIDI sync, or multiple sound cards or plug-ins etc, but I've found it to be a flexible px for use with my own loops, or more often, manipulating several minutes of, say, a live performance, slicing and dicing to edit out bits I don't need, fading from one section to another. I'd have no use for Cubase as I can't afford the versions which support sufficient audio tracks to interest me, and I don't use MIDI (and my PC refuses to recognise any external MIDI sources anyway). But ACID is capable of more than just looping - its like anything. You pick the equipment, software that suits you, and I've found it to be entirely intuitive for what I need. I can piece together 5 and 6 minute soundscapes from a few fragments, and with the various speed changes that happen with dropping files an octave or two (or indeed raising them) a whole range of things can be achieved. So - I like it...(cos it suits me) Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:41:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20171; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:35:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Drum and Bass Loops Message-ID: <0056910004900366000002L162*@MHS> Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/06/00 12:21:30" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA18810 Resent-Message-ID: <"uSXXu2.0.Ac4.OE55v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP is local lingo for Echoplex Digital Pro, the miraculous and wonderful real time sampler and looper. K myf@bigpond.net.au on 05/05/2000 10:46:24 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Drum and Bass Loops Classification: Restricted Kamlapati: I do this a lot and would have used Recycle and my sampler 2 years ago, until I discovered SF AcidPro. I find it incredibly easy to use and extremely powerful. You can change tempo on the fly, alter pitch, and slice loops instantly. I don't know much about how you transfer samples to your sampler, but it's done thru scsi and a little utility with my Akai sampler. I don't miss Recycle to be honest. I have used Wavesurgeon as well, and tried manually altering drum loops in an audio editor like Wavelab, but nothing beats Acid. I know some people rave about Fruity Loops, but I found the UI a bit irritating and it doesn't seem to adjust loops to different tempo (although maybe I missed this function). Sorry for my ignorance, but what's EDP (he asks embarrasedly)? At 11:47 AM 5/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >All, > >What are all of your thoughts on the best PC software to create cool drum >and bass loops? I would be using the loop to download to my SP-808EX, there >to be used to create new rhythms in real-time, that would underly and >support real time loops created on >my EDP. That is my vision anyway. > >Ideas? Thoughts? Experiences? > >Thanks, >Kamlapati > Llasher myf@bigpond.net.au ICQ# 19784689 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:43:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14987; Sat, 6 May 2000 12:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:18:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200005061558.IAA02027@dodo.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 12:00:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Gear sale From: "David Myers" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BMO2X.0.WS3._645v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Arrghh! Apologies if some of you are getting multiple replies from me, or none. My computer is screwing up miserably and I'm lost in an ocean of OS installs, updating mail programs, etc. Anyway. All the gear I posted is still available and please to to reach me at dmgraph@pulsewidth.com, but better also cc me at dmgraph@earthlink.net AND dmyers@nuforia.com -- I hope to be stabilized by early next week, and certainly won't put the stuff on Harmony Central for a while. Sorry if this has caused anyone grief.... > Before I go to Harmony Central, I'd like to run this list past my loop > friends. Going the software route, can use the bucks. > > Home studio items for sale, all mint, original boxes and manuals, pedals > never even stepped on, prices plus COD Fed Ex: > > Mackie 1202-VLZ PRO, 8 mo. old. The best of its kind. Cost $370. Price > $290 (plus $22 ship) > Boss VF-1 multiprocessor, 5 mo. old. Half rack unit, incredible. Cost > $400. Price $320 (plus $17 ship) > Waldorf 4 Pole filter unit, 3 mo. old. What am I, nuts? Filter madness. > Cost $450. Price $380 (plus $17 ship) > Lexicon Reflex, 18 mo. old. Does stuff the new MPX's don't, nice unit. > Cost $280 at blowout. Price $175 (plus $15 ship) > Akai Headrush delay/looper, 6 mo. old. Fripperpedal. Cost $180. Price > $120 (plus $12 ship) > (Two) Zoom 2100 floor effects units, 6 mo. old. Many effects plus great > looping capabilities. Cost $150-$100 (blowout), now discontinued. Price > $85 each (plus $15 ship) > Boss PS-3 pitch shifter/delay pedal, 1 yr old. Cost $150. Price $70 (plus > $12 ship) > Boss MT-2 Metal Zone pedal, 1 yr. old. Cost $95. Price $50 (plus $12 ship) > > Thanks all. > > David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:46:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12687; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:39:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000501bfb76d$1a64dfc0$f3ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #163 Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:09:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gy4QS2.0.Ub2.2L35v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #163 May 4, 2000. On this show, I started a month-long focus on soundscape artist Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at Midnight was Big Weather on the Linden label. The music of Ian Boddy was played in support of his upcoming concert at The Gathering on May 6, 2000. Jeff Greinke http://www.wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#may The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org Ian Boddy http://www.din.org.uk ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Jeff Pearce Sudden Light To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Rainbow Serpent Pulse Trancemission Pulse (Manikin) Nemesis The Cygnus Loop Sky Archeology (Freeride) Mind~Flux Mr. Johnson's Trip to the Moon Collectors Edition #1 (Manikin) Ian Boddy & Chris Carter Disembodied Caged (DiN) Frank Specht Schon winkt zur Sebastian Im Traum Sternenreise die Nacht (Invisible Shadows) Jon O'Berg Four Haiku Carta (Timescape) 12:00 am Jeff Greinke Plateau Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Last Words Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke The Happy Isles Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Their Secret Game Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Swimming Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke River Limba Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Exploding White Stars Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Hot Wire Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Overlay Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Dirt Road Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Orbits Big Weather (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Brastagi Night Big Weather (Linden Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at midnight will be "Places of Motility" on the Hypnos label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 05:38:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10549; Sat, 6 May 2000 19:22:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:22:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <39148EE1.791D65A9@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:30:09 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: from ACID to keykit! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IOU2B3.0.-82.E8A5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello people, i thought i'd mention a bizarre pc midi app for everyone looking for something a little more than traditional sequencing. besides, sketchy joe was saying: > I would like to see a program that will take audio information and > manipulate it on the fly or even a program that will apply random > effects to a sample. ... > Really, I want a computer that will improvise with my input as > opposed to the current system in which I (the human element) must > react to the program. the answer for the brave: keykit! try here: or here: q: what is this? a: it's basically an open-code (buzzword fer ya there!) customizable MIDI sequencer with a sh*tload of midi tools that can be integrated into your own progs. yes, u can fractalize yer melodies and grow beatz. or u can write yer own algorithms (al-khwarizmi). to start you can try running yer midi data thru espresso ... WARNING: the user interface is quite rudimentary and takes some getting once you get beyond that though, you can start doing some very interesting things. imo, this is the direction MIDI software will start to go, maybe someone will design a nicer front-end? l8ter, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 07:43:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32236; Sun, 7 May 2000 07:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 07:43:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFB826.1CD03B60.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: WG: Drum and Bass Loops ... sounds? Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:09:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rHx7-1.0.ES7._-K5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What are all of your thoughts on the best PC > software to create cool drum and bass loops? what I'm wondering about at the moment is how to *create* interesting and unusual electronic drum/percussion *sounds*. I just listened to a CD of Autechre (Chiastic Slide) and they have very nice percussive electronic sounds. How did they create them? it doesn't sound like your regular drum machine. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 13:12:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21617; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:12:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <48.5121776.2646f9e4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:55:00 EDT Subject: Re: EDP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nt78c2.0.Bz4.80Q5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com $703 with the pedal plus shipping.hipping would be around $100 through the post office.For further info email alto@warwick.net.Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 13:19:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22462; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:19:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:19:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007601bfb846$83caf100$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <001d01bfb4f7$d97e0620$be9cb8d4@oemcomputer> <39103880.B49A6785@earthlink.net> <000401bfb733$822d86a0$c42a9d3e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Logic audio and VS workstations Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:05:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"B0S4Y1.0.275.C7Q5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No it does not support the VS840 Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: Re: Logic audio and VS workstations > > > There's the Logic VS program, which was designed specifically for that. > > Logic Audio Platinum supports the VS, as, I believe, does Logic Audio > Gold. > > > Does anybody know if this program also supports the VS 840 as > well?Somewhere i read it supports the VS880 and VS1680 but no mention of > theVS 840 > thanks > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 14:42:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24079; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:43:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002701bfb849$9cf1d100$2c310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: A Loopy Bedtime Story Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"LP1Mw2.0.PY5.BRQ5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > eB*y is quite a nasty four letter word. Your point? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 15:46:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31430; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:46:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfb85a$a38e4280$8f368218@Boseph> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: NON LOOP- gsp 5 Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:30:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB81F.F6F26180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"K6OUs.0.EN7.xES5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB81F.F6F26180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if the Digitech GSP-5 is any good? How old is it? Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFB81F.F6F26180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if the Digitech GSP-5 is = any good? How=20 old is it?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BFB823.BCC7CC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 16:50:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03569; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:50:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:50:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000507201617.33840.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.148] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP manuel? Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:16:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Hgyvk.0.YF.tyS5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Music Tec services out of Hollywood Ca. kept my EDP for 4 and a half months and then returned it with no power chord and no manuel. Fun bunch of guys. Is there a manuel in Looper's Delight files? Kim??? Thanks, Papa Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 17:19:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05439; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:19:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200005072056.NAA10581@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:56:33 -0800 Subject: Re: EDP &HIPPING To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"G5ndw3.0.bz.aYT5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it costs a lot more than a hundred dollars to be hipped-I know I have been hipped!!(it was while I was looping from a tape Echoplex to a digital Echoplex)...STANNER ---------- >From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: EDP >Date: Sun, May 7, 2000, 8:55 AM > > $703 with the pedal plus shipping.hipping would be around $100 through the > post office.For further info email alto@warwick.net.Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 7 21:57:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22195; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:57:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:57:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:17:02 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP manuel? In-reply-to: <20000507201617.33840.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tYPDn3.0.115.vhX5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:16 PM -0700 5/7/00, David Potter wrote: >Music Tec services out of Hollywood Ca. kept my EDP for 4 and a half months >and then returned it with no power chord and no manuel. Fun bunch of guys. >Is there a manuel in Looper's Delight files? Kim??? > Thanks, Papa Dave it's right there in the echoplex section of LD where it's been for about 3 years: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 02:23:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13736; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:23:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: A Thought On Bass Samples Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301bfb6f0$5e136980$38bbaec7@wk1> Resent-Message-ID: <"3rcnN2.0.Nx2.XYb5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: DTRohr [mailto:dtrohr@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 5:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A Thought On Bass Samples Hi Everybody! >I play Bass. I have the ability to record samples directly to my computer. >If I were to make samples ( I know there's already a lot out there that are >really good) but just curious if I were to do that, what would be the best >format? Wav file is the best for loops. (Akai is the best for samples) Preloop them in your sound editor, if they are meant to loop. You could also turn off the acid loop flag for hits and non loopy ones, if your feeling really nice to acid users. > What's the best way to record them. Make sure that you record all the samples that are supposed to be used together at the same time, with all the settings the same. Be generous in the number of variations on a sound. >I would be willing to post >them on what limited space I have on my website free for the folks on list >if there is interest, but since I'm new to this I really would like to work >on getting the best sample possible, but I don't really know where to start. You might want to look at the sample collections on the net, they would be very happy to host yours, I'm sure. Don't fall for the temptation of encoding them as mp3 to save space. The quality suffers when you pitch/tempo shift them then. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 03:47:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14320; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:29:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kuehnle@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 02:07:38 EDT Subject: D-Beam To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: <"vFdvU2.0.F13.Kdb5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know where I might find a Dimension Beam controller? Are these still made? I'm not interested in having it attached to a Roland product. Thanks. -Eric From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 10:33:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14954; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:33:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004E5338.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:15:20 -0400 Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"6EQnC.0._D3.Ami5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, my work email address was somehow added to your email list. Please remove me from this discussion. I know nothing about music. =) Thanks. bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) on 04/20/2000 11:55:03 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam hi Stuart, I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? Thanks, Betsey >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs > > > > > > > > > >
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >interest to >try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >sovatsky     href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >
* * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 10:31:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14789; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:31:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004F2C24.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:24:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Sequencer question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"4h5EU1.0.TQ3.tui5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. Stephen on 04/20/2000 01:47:06 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: Re: Sequencer question Claude, It's heard that the rm1x doesn't allow real-time recording of patterns which can then be manipulated without stopping the sequencer, nor does it allow dropping in & out of record mode. Is this true? stephen > I'm using the yamaha rm1x with a lot of joy .this is > a pattern based seq > with maximum live tweakability (pattern switch, > track mutes ) so its > very well suited for our cyclic needs ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 10:31:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14782; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:31:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004F4DE9.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"hl5K31.0.-S3.Bwi5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. "Larry Tremblay" on 04/20/2000 12:58:30 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ew37@bellsouth.net cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 First of all let me say I like much of U2's music. But for the record, Eno saved U2's floundering career. This is a well-documented historical fact. U2's association with Eno was *Eno's idea* - he heard something he liked that he knew could be B-I-G with the right amount of coaxing. Regarding the Edge's guitar style, I remember reading an interview in Guitar Player or somewhere with one of those dime-a-dozen Satriani/Vai/ geetarists. The interviewer played a little U2/Edge music and asked him what he thought about his style. The trog said, "I don't hear it" (TRANSLATION: Where are the 500 mph Mixilodian scales, ProCo distorto-box, and erzatz-Halen power-dives? ANSWER: Up your myopic dinosaur ass.) For the 'youngins' out there, The Edge was once considered a neo-psychedelia reverb-monger (a good thing at the time) along the lines of Echo & the Bunnymen and Teardrop Explodes. So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. -Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Negativland on tour... > >>> "X-ray" 04/19 11:34 PM >>> > >>non-mentioning of the fact that it was ENO that came up with the > whole idea with the TV screens/satellite access and all, Again, credit > placed where not deserved. > > > Hmmmm. Not sure I agree. U2 has quite often given credit to Eno > for the initial concept of that tour (even in the tour program). > Certainly the band were the "directors" of the production whereas Eno > was the one who wrote the 1st draft of the script (sorry for the > analogy). I'm not sure it's fair to > suggest that it was Eno's baby and U2 were just along for the ride. > > I remember Bono saying something like... "We finally have enough > money to do such a bloated grandiose thing... Why not? If not us, then > who?" I think he's correct in that statement... they were huge, had > the capability, so they went for it and staged an incredible, very > successful production. For it's sheer scope, it was certainly the most > modern and hi-tech I've seen to date. Sure beats the Stones bloated > retro machine... > > >>Then I saw U2 making scads of money making music that sounded like > someone elses' work > > > Just out of curiosity, other than the rootsier Joshua Tree/Rattle > and Hum period, who do you find them to be imitating??? Again, just > curious. > > I think it became popular to disinherit U2 due to their tremendous > success... The Edge managed to assemble several existing simple guitar > techniques into a cohesive style... and has continued to experiment > far more than your average rock star type does... His stuff on Pop is > really cool... Great sounds... it is ROCK music... If you can't hack > rock, then sure... they probably suck for you. But I think U2 is a > great ROCK band... They benefitted a lot from their association with > Eno. > > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 17:41:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28775; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:41:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:19:53 EDT Subject: Re: Listen to This... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"BUiw43.0.hb6.D-o5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Terje Rypdal Elliot Sharp Derek Bailey Bill Frisell Kenny Wheeler John Abercrombie Dave Holland Primal Scream "Vanishing Point" Marc Ducret Should be enough, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 17:30:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28030; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <66.36d4c1c.26488569@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:02:33 EDT Subject: Fwd: Echoplex??? (UK only) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_66.36d4c1c.26488569_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"ySyKk1.0.9D6.Gko5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --part1_66.36d4c1c.26488569_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the latest from Trace Elliot on the UK Plex In a message dated 04/05/00 13:46:04 GMT Daylight Time, info@trace-elliot.com writes: > Sorry for the delay in replying to your request for information on the > Gibson Echoplex. The unit is currently awaiting CE approval, we anticipate > that it will be available from early to mid July. Please bear with us, we > are currently trying our best to get the Echoplex into shops as soon as > possible. I have a record of your address and will email you as soon as the > units are available. If I have any further news I will contact you. The > list I have of enquiries will be the first people in Europe to know where > and when these units will be delivered to. Judging by the reception of the > units in the USA I would strongly advise that you order as soon as possible > due to a massive demand. > Thanks for your patience - I'm sure it will be worth the wait! > > Regards > Phil Corbould --part1_66.36d4c1c.26488569_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by air-yh03.mail.aol.com (v72.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:46:04 -0400 Received: from relay1.cerbernet.co.uk (relay1.cerbernet.co.uk [193.243.233.6]) by rly-yh04.mail.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 08:45:39 -0400 Received: from www ([193.243.231.252]) by relay1.cerbernet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09025 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:46:12 GMT From: "Trace Elliot" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex??? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay1.cerbernet.co.uk id NAA09025 Sorry for the delay in replying to your request for information on the Gibson Echoplex. The unit is currently awaiting CE approval, we anticipate that it will be available from early to mid July. Please bear with us, we are currently trying our best to get the Echoplex into shops as soon as possible. I have a record of your address and will email you as soon as the units are available. If I have any further news I will contact you. The list I have of enquiries will be the first people in Europe to know where and when these units will be delivered to. Judging by the reception of the units in the USA I would strongly advise that you order as soon as possible due to a massive demand. Thanks for your patience - I'm sure it will be worth the wait! Regards Phil Corbould -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: 09 February 2000 18:06 To: info@trace-elliot.com Subject: Echoplex??? What about UK availability of the Echoplex? When?? How much=A3???? thanks Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm --part1_66.36d4c1c.26488569_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 19:00:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03329; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:00:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5b.58cc836.264895a2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:35:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Listen to This... Resent-Message-ID: <"wRTeA.0.nC.K_p5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my turn? just things i've been listening to: Willie Nelson - And Then I Wrote Kruder and Dorfmiester - The K and D Sessions Kruder and Dorfmiester - DJ Kicks Wes Montgomery Trio - A Dynamic New Sound The Jimmy Giuffe Three - Self Titled Dmitri From Paris - Sacre Bleu Johnny Cash - Any and All...gimme more!!! Underworld - Beaucoup Fish Leftfield - Rhythm and Stealth Esquivel - Music for a Sparkling Planet Beck - Mutations Bill Frisell - Nashville Marcy Playground - Shapeshifter Moby - Play and way too much of my own stuff...losing my frame of reference...i've got blisters on my eardrums... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 19:13:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04247; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:07:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200005082307.QAA29575@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [204.170.82.232] From: "Bud Happy" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Cc: simon@dynamite.com.au Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? Resent-Message-ID: <"SlhDh3.0._v.hZq5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hope I'm not too late to add to the advice you have sought regarding making your own tapes. The cartridges are a pain, if you have more than one cartridge, open it up surgically, match the legnth and angle, and splice the tape. Getting it back in the cartridge is the real test! Then use electrical tape to re-seal the cartridge. Check the older music stores + pawn shops too, you may get lucky and find some if Roland has discontinued making the cartridges. I've actually found the sound quality of the "store bought" tapes can be fairly low. I have also had to make my own tapes for several other vintage echo units. I can't remember how much tension that unit puts on the tape (and the splice). The thicker the 1/4 inch mag tape better, as far as the magnetic tape may stretch if it's too thin. Another key is having high quality splicing tape on hand, as sometimes the splices if not held together well, will stretch apart and expose the heads to the adheasive surface. In a pinch though...I've gotten away with murder using very low quality magnetic tape + scotch tape as a splice. Either way you go, make several at a time so you don't get stuck later! All the best! -akabak >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >To: >Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:44:59 -0500 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >I used to own one these puppies and, as I recall, I cut my own tapes loops using >regular "dry" tapes. They seemed to work OK. I'd give it a try; tape is cheap. >As Simon says, just splice it at an angle. Try a short loop first. > >>Note that the 1/4" (nearly) tape used for the 201 is the >>lubricated type. Normal "dry" tape will not work. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Tremblay >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:02 AM >Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? > > >> >>- Larry T >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Simon" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 1:38 AM >>Subject: Re: tape cartridge for Roland RE 201? >> >> >>> They havn't made tape echos for many years, but they still might stock the >>> tapes as spare parts, I'm not really sure though. >>> >>> If not, couldn't you just use any tape that is the same width? Just splice >>> the ends together into a loop. >>> >>> The Roland tapes come in a little plastic 'cartridge', but the tape is >>just >>> loaded into the machine and the plastic 'cartridge' isn't used after that. >>> >>> Simon >>> Canberra >>> AUSTRALIA >>> >>> >>> >Maybe you should try vintage supply dealers Roland hasnt made tape echo's >>> >for many years >>> >Steven >>> >Good to see a fellow Australian >>> >>> >> Have you asked your local Roland dealer, they should be able to order >>one >>> >> from Roland for you. >>> >> >>> >> Simon >>> >> Canberra >>> >> AUSTRALIA >>> >>> >> >I am still looking for a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE >>201. >>> >> >I tried several sites but no luck. Any one have a clue as to where I >>> >could >>> >> >get one to get this puppy up and looping. Om and out Papa Dave >>> >>> >> >> >I need a tape cartridge for a Roland Space Echo RE201. Do you have >>> >it? >>> >> >>Om and Out Papa Dave >>> >>> >>> >> >>sorry, cannot help >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Best Regards, Nicolas Keim >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail free email Click -> http://weedmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 19:40:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06371; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:40:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:40:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39174E23.463454BD@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:30:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CY5Gq2.0.jN1.5wq5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I went to the San Francisco Electronic Music Fest and saw Pamela Z play this Saturday. Really, really good! JamMan o rama. She fed her voice, samples, and something called the Bodysynth™ through a JamMan and what looked like an ART SGX2000, but I couldn't tell for sure. The Bodysynth was invisible to me, but seemed to be controlling a laptop... the result was both visually and musically amazing. If someone on the list knows her, fwd this to her. If anyone ever says that loopage is a male phenomana after hearing her should unsubscribe to this list, and subscribe to the Gwar delight list. there were also some guys wanking around with laptops. Good music came of this, but for a performance it was LAME. Burn that crap to a CD, eh? Watching a lone guy type and control pre made samples is not my idea of a live performance. Sorry. Also, my fiancee turned me on to the LoopGurus. They're on this list, eh? If so, NICE guys. Very nice. It will stay in my car's CD changer (next to the Ben Neil album Triptical) for a long time. bye bye. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 20:29:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10384; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:29:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:29:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000508234450.51106.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:44:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"a5M6Z3.0.Qi1.L6r5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would suggest Steve Reich - several interesting ideas that apply to looped music. Markus Popp (Oval) - beautiful music imitating digital errors Dead Voices on Air - droney loops from toys and stuff Tape Beatles "Music with Sounds" - done using ONLY tape splicing and pause buttons Gastr Del Sol - tricky, circular acoustic guitar with interesting production Rap (the genre) - lots of good ideas lately that go under-appreciated in the looping world I second the suggestion for Laika, they use really interesting percussion layering techniques in their unique electronic pop music. Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 21:10:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14519; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000509010021.13390.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"FXii_3.0.xG3.kCs5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I went Saturday & Sunday, and Pamela Z performed on Sunday too with 2 other performers. I believe she was feedng the midi out of the bodysynth into MAX (MSP?) to fire her samples (MAX & Apple laptops were definately tools of choice there). I certainly agree that the pure knob-twiddlers (read laptop-fiddlers) left something to be desired in the performance arena, but they certainly looked earnest. Being able to map *some* sort of gesture to *some* sort of sound production increased the interest factor greatly, both for bitheads like myself and neophytes like my friend who I dragged along. On sunday night there were some interesting midi controllers used - two light harps where breaking one of several laser beams created note-on events, and apparently the note value was determined by the distance from the light source. A fellow had a 'midi jacket', something along the line of Pamela Z's bodysynth where arm gestured created sound. There was also a cyborg-like hand controller (a glove with lotsa sensors & wires on it) which was used to control lights & samples with gesture. Some of the electronic music aesthetics were a bit cacophonous for my tastes, but the creativity was definately there. But by the time i left Sunday night i was dying just hear something....maybe in the key of G in 4/4 time..... stephen --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, I went to the San Francisco Electronic Music > Fest and saw Pamela Z play > there were also some guys wanking around with > laptops. Good music came of > this, but for a performance it was LAME. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 8 21:23:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15271; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:23:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bfb951$b3a50850$15011eac@CIRDAN> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:58:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"h1cB01.0.IC3.3Bs5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Far out, I've already seen more than a few things I think I need to check out. A handful I had to mention: Steve Tibbetts - anything at all really, a great looper Yr is his first album, considered a definitive recording by people who like to be quoted, I think it's pretty groundbreaking, could use a little more bass (sorry Steve, I know you did it in your basement on an 8-track, right?) Safe Journey opens with a fairly intense track and then settles into some of the best textural, "ambient" music I've heard - lots of subtlety, esp. that bizarre bell tone in the last track, sounds like he miked a cute little resonant bell and then fed the signal through a phase/delay feedback loop turning it into the Buddha Bell from Mars Exploded View is probably one of the most intense guitar albums I've ever heard - listen to Name Everything and you know what I mean. It's like he got into a serious recording facility for the first time and went ballistic. Lots of phenomenal tape loop manipulation weirdness here Aphex Twin - esp. the Digeridoo track, one artist who makes me wonder "what the f**k IS that?" Uakti - another vote! make their own acoustic instruments & hit them with subtlety, thank you Brazil! Zap Mama - mmmmmmmmmm Leo "Mr. Fingers" Kottke - says his singing sounds like a crow farting, but dig the album "Standing in My Shoes" Love, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 18:42:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22004; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:42:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 05:20:47 +0100 Subject: Re: EDP From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"bHORy1.0.U45.K396v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do you ship overseas? I'm in the UK and they aren't available here yet. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: EDP >Date: Sat, May 6, 2000, 3:03 am > > Alto Music will be receiving over 30 EDP's and foot controllers this week.We > shipped 45 last month and will be getting more.Thanks for your patience. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 19:06:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24528; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200005092259.SAA11568@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:57:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: seahorse@channel1.com Subject: Re: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA23643 Resent-Message-ID: <"DLQSf.0.gn5.TX96v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And now for some connected shameless self promoton: Dreamchild will be playing in Cambridge, MA, downstairs at the Middle East on Wednesday night, 9:30 PM. Cheryl Wanner ('the singer, wire-harpist and bassist) runs her voice through a JamMan creating two and three part harmonies, counterpoints and the occasional full blown loops. And of course, I loop my VG8 through an EDP and a JamMan. So, if you're in travelling distance of Central Square Cambridge on Wednesday night, come on down. Frank Gerace Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com At 04:30 PM 5/8/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hey, I went to the San Francisco Electronic Music Fest and saw Pamela Z play >this Saturday. Really, really good! JamMan o rama. She fed her voice, >samples, and something called the Bodysynth™ through a JamMan and what looked >like an ART SGX2000, but I couldn't tell for sure. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 20:20:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30966; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:20:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <063f01bfba12$aea52760$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200005092259.SAA11568@user1.channel1.com> Subject: Re: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:59:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"EuGfA.0.4J7.9aA6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com She has a website: http://www.sirius.com/~pamelaz/ Pretty wacky stuff. I'd never heard of her before your post. This is why I love this list. Thanks! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) > Hey, I went to the San Francisco Electronic Music Fest and saw Pamela Z play > this Saturday. Really, really good! JamMan o rama. She fed her voice, > samples, and something called the BodysynthT through a JamMan and what looked > like an ART SGX2000, but I couldn't tell for sure. The Bodysynth was > invisible to me, but seemed to be controlling a laptop... the result was both > visually and musically amazing. If someone on the list knows her, fwd this > to her. If anyone ever says that loopage is a male phenomana after hearing > her should unsubscribe to this list, and subscribe to the Gwar delight list. > > there were also some guys wanking around with laptops. Good music came of > this, but for a performance it was LAME. Burn that crap to a CD, eh? > Watching a lone guy type and control pre made samples is not my idea of a > live performance. Sorry. > > Also, my fiancee turned me on to the LoopGurus. They're on this list, eh? > If so, NICE guys. Very nice. It will stay in my car's CD changer (next to > the Ben Neil album Triptical) for a long time. > > bye bye. > > -- > Mark Sottilaro > Professional Publications, Inc > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > Multimedia Production > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 20:54:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30074; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:52:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@AOL.com Message-ID: <30.4d18511.26488bb4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:29:24 EDT Subject: Pete Cornish To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"XgjV31.0.Vr6.Q7p5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for his web site. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 20:57:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01533; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:57:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfba1f$c2c97b80$39064f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xjdm52.0.qt7.UzA6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure, my well rounded diet of sorts for the week....: Steely Dan-Pretzel Logic David Torn-What Means Solid Traveller? Daryl Hall-Sacred Songs Dag Nasty-Field Day Annette Peacock-X Dreams Glenn Phillips-Scratched By The Rabbit Bad Brains-I Against I Bjork-Homogenic PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 20:58:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20574; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:40:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnUOSWqpH7mGBoD9+7k72XMB32zUCFCwwZ+DCiZXVDdHUERHwMp/aMi7U From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: MPC-60II Message-ID: <15858-39161302-1645@storefull-168.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"7v07_1.0.jX4.LCX5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Does anyone on this list have an mpc-60II user's manual (or a photocopy of one)they'd be willing to sell? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:09:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07896; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:20:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000509061634.25866.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Sweetwater Sound has the Echoplex! To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"marqe.0.6r1.7rw5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP- $749 FC - $105 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/results.tpl John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:15:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26665; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:17:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39172B5B.C4FA1543@best.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:02:19 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: What is the LFO for? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cs5e8.0.pD6.iko5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've seen a number of references here on LD about the necessity of having a good LFO in conjunction with a delay device. Assuming that LFO means low frequency oscillator, how is it used? Is it modulating something? -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:20:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32214; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:17:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:17:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.58cc836.264895a2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:11:46 EDT Subject: Re: Listen to This... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"hv1jJ.0.kk7.Blp5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com okay, fine.... Louis and Bebe Barron - "Forbidden Planet" soundtrack Can - "Tago Mago" & "Ege Bamyasi" Fila Brazillia - "Power Clown" Pimp Daddy Nash - "Private Leftfield Downtempo Funk" Namanax - "Monstrous" Sandoz In Dub - "Chant To Jah" Throbbing Gristle - "Twenty Jazz-Funk Greats" - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:23:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21965; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:24:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39171E19.899C0909@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:05:45 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Listen to This... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j3VCH1.0.D05.Tun5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! How about a nice round of recommended listening... anyone? I'll start. Check out: Laika Uakti Ekova Tipsy Jazzanova Kid Loco DJ Food and R.E.O. Speedwagon Cheers, eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:26:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23400; Tue, 9 May 2000 06:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:11:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005901bfb99b$b31301e0$ee99b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <66.36d4c1c.26488569@aol.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex??? (UK only) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:45:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"BsZns2.0.iC5.wyz5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, I am interested in buying an echoplex could you put me on your waiting list and tell me how much it would cost including shipping? I live in Konstanz Germany. Thank you very much! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:27:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24849; Tue, 9 May 2000 06:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:30:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d601bfb99e$3afe9f40$ee99b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: <20000508234450.51106.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:01:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"_cF0E.0.Be5.1E-5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Simon ese check out some cool latin caribbean cuban SON afrosantería musica batá religiosa hypnotica trip hop,dub, drum and bass, loops by bill laswell´s "Havanna Mood" and "Imaginary Cuba" totally deconstructed! Piece and love amigos! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:29:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04640; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:29:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bfba1e$8d874160$6423dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200005092259.SAA11568@user1.channel1.com> <063f01bfba12$aea52760$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Show: Bill Frisell Live 6/25 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:24:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"vijro2.0.121.CgB6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got an email from the Experience Music Project regarding their coming opening in Seattle on June 23, and I couldn't help but notice the following, given the buzz about Frisell that's been on this list. >Sunday, June 25 TICKETED SHOWS > >Bill Frisell's New Quartet with Brandon Ross and Kevin Breit; Larry Coryell (8:00 p.m., Bagley Wright Theater, $15) Sounds like a great combination, so too bad I'm not able to go! But for those who are up there... :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:30:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02218; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:30:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:30:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3918567C.A86C9BCC@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:18:37 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TohlE1.0.cI.2T56v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorin wrote: > > adding to the list.. > > nurse with wound.. anything complete improv > John Zorn.. anything and everything > Last Exit... live in toyko > Bill Laswell ... ( drummer in last exit ) also any of his works.. HE'S THE BASS PLAYER!!! -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:31:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04052; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:49:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:49:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39185BEA.FBB5A768@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:41:53 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (also Listen to this) References: <39174E23.463454BD@ppi2pass.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4b3VA1.0.1j.-h56v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > ...Also, my fiancee turned me on to the LoopGurus. They're on this list, eh? > If so, NICE guys. Very nice. It will stay in my car's CD changer (next to > the Ben Neil album Triptical) for a long time... i think loopguru refers to "loup-garou" which is french for werewolf (from funk & wagnall's standard dictionary of folklore; a very handy set if you get your hands on one). if they're on this list perhaps they could enlighten us (but if they're really werewolves then they probably aren't on the list and we'll be in the dark for sure). lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:35:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24210; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:51:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3912C095.5EF3C7D1@d-v-tech.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 08:37:41 -0400 From: -==Neil==- Reply-To: nova@d-v-tech.com Organization: DiversiTech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay References: <39171E19.899C0909@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oV2An3.0.hb5.sIo5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm reluctantly parting with my 1984 original Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay w/ optional foot controller. This is widely considered one of the rarest & most sought after stomp boxes. It is, in every sense, a Looper's Delight, which is why I considered posting it here. I don't mean to offend anyone, spam, etc. Its not cheap, but its as much a collector's item as an effect, so I'm putting it here just in case somebody with the bucks to burn has got their heart set on one. This one's a beauty. Thanx for checking it out. Ends tonight. On EBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320435933 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:35:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05271; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:29:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:23:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200005082323.QAA31585@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [204.170.82.232] From: "Bud Happy" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: space echo reissue Resent-Message-ID: <"sebca3.0.4B1.9oq5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested! >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:10:05 -0500 (CDT) >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Andy Soto >Subject: space echo reissue >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > > There are NEW tape echos being produced over in Japan, a friend of mine >lived there last year and brought back one (really nice looking device in >screaming yellow...) I don´t remember the brand just rightg now, if anyone >interested in specs or just a pic,I could search for one of the brochures he >got for me... > > > Andy in Mexico City You are ivited to visit: www.akabak.org/VirtualLabs.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail free email Click -> http://weedmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:39:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15789; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:40:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:40:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004EFAAA.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:22:28 -0400 Subject: RE: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"DSijt1.0.vN3.ssi5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. "Taaffe, Denis G" on 04/20/2000 02:31:57 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , ew37@bellsouth.net cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: RE: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 - yes, and they are right where they should be .....atop the shit heap...hahaha Kidding, actually I like the edge's playing a lot and U2 has doen some really good things.Brian eno does some cool stuff but alwasy seems to sap his stuff in one way or another. dt So..., it took a visionary like Eno to bring U2, and the Edge, to where they are today, commercially and technically. -Larry T -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:40:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08197; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:08:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:56:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Hex pickup...(Paradis?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"DMLxq.0.mS1.nul5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >are there sound samples of Matthias's Paradis polystortion thing >anywhere ? (or anything similar?) > >would realy like to hear it I recorded a bit of my own weird playing with several sound settings and than edited to a accessible 2MB MP3 file and put it on my site. Its not music, but not just chords either, came out funy, but shows a spectrum of sounds, without any other filtering or compression or so, just settings of POLYDISTORTION plus reverb. At http://www.matthias.grob.org/pEE/SndHist.htm#Polydist there is the some text about it and the link to the sound file. Thomas Diethelm used it a lot on his Paradis nylon acoustic, rather like brass. His label was Fink&Star. I dont know whether Napster can find him ;-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:43:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32056; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:06:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bfb9ab$10f4fb60$24111997@brian> From: "brian80" To: Subject: Brian May or Guild BHM Red Special pland/drawings for construction of Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:38:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB9BB.D24C4560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XiV76.0.737.UY_5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB9BB.D24C4560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would love to get from you, or find out from you how to obtain the = plans for building a Red Special. 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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB9BB.D24C4560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:47:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25299; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:01:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3916BA68.A6E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:00:24 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... References: <39171E19.899C0909@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"t0AEk2.0.nz5.ibo5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eric wrote: > > Hey! How about a nice round of recommended listening... anyone? > and R.E.O. Speedwagon Bloody Hell, Eric, if that's your idea of recommended listening I'm going to have to drive on up to CalArts and personally administer a beatdown on your taste-deprived self. What is it, the end of the semester psychosis creeping up on you? Blearrgh. Anyway... My turn I guess. All of these are very loop-oriented, albiet in very different sorts of ways. -- "Confusion/Gentleman" and "Original SufferHead/I.T.T." by Fela Kuti (two of a series of MCA two-album-per-CD reissues coming out domestically even as we speak). For those not familiar with Fela, think of a Nigerian cross between James Brown, Bob Marley, '70s Miles Davis, and Sun Ra. Very hypnotic and repetitive ensemble playing. Oh, and obscenely funky. -- "Children of God" by Swans. Don't really know what to say about them, but you can check out http://www.swans.pair.com for info. Not for the faint of heart. -- "Live/Haai" and "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh" by Magma. I *really* don't know what to say about Magma... try http://www.room34.com/magma for starters. -- "Disruption Theory" by Andre LaFosse. (Ahem...) http://www.altruistmusic.com Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:51:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17314; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:53:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:53:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004EE960.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:21:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"P-y963.0.GM3.9si5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. rich on 04/20/2000 02:46:57 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: Negativland becomes U2 becomes Eno Hi All, I'm not too terribly interested in U2's work anymore, although IMHO, The Unforgettable Fire is by far their best work, shows off Eno's input more than the others, and is much more of an 'ambient' album (admitted by the band themselves). Also, it seems to be the last album before the egos began to swell. However, I do disagree with the statement made by Mr. Goodman: > U2 owes the entire sound they've grown into to Eno's input - this is no >different than his input to the Talking Heads' work, Devo, you name it. These bands do have their own sound and creativity outside of Mr. Eno. Yes, he's a brilliant artist, and a wonderful producer, but U2, the Heads, and for chrissakes Devo all have made cool albums outside of the influence of Eno. Duty Now For The Future and Freedom of Choice still sound like Devo, don't they? They didn't just flop over and go "please Mr. Eno, come back!" Aren't David Byrne and Mark Mothersbaugh considered extremely prolific and creative people in their own right? just my 2 cents, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:43:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06005; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:43:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006101bfba20$6b7961a0$6423dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5b.5853f4d.26484baf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:38:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"AwdCZ3.0.kK1.dsB6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jprice01@AOL.com put forth: > groups like the fall, killing joke and wire had more distinction to their sounds in my ears. same can be said with early and i do mean the very early demo album and 1st album from psychedelic furrs. Ditto man! I might say that, amongst the above Killing Joke was at one point (gasp!) produced by Eno... :) The Furs' first album - their best IMNSHO - was partially produced by Steve Lillywhite (all but 4-5 songs)... > Dont know if i am alone but i dont get the rush i used to get from rock n roll anymore and it seems U2 like all other rock n roll bands which are established and not quite ready for retirement ...well they are all trying hard to define themselves in a context that is hardly left breathing anymore. I declared Rock n' Roll, as such, post-mortem in 1978 - then Punk came along, and while it certainly injected a lot of life into the biz, well, after all, wasn't it just as loud, with ruder lyrics? Then again, what about the MC5, eh? :) > perhaps there may be more room for the loop musician ? In chaos heroes are truly revealed. Also, the rules are still in flux, if existent at all. Fun for all results. > somehow I suspect that room is already on the turntables somewhere. Phooey! The only folks that'll tell you that can't play a musical instrument. Cheers, Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:55:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16904; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010101bfb953$7a153ea0$c7e993c3@CBra981419> From: "Colin Bradley" To: Subject: Attention all Loopers in London Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:09:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"OQOuM2.0.KZ3.rMs5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello fellow loopers, this is my first proper post to the list although I've been lurking for a while. I can't thank you all enough for the excellent tips and links, so heres some info on a good night out if you're in London next friday 12th May 2000. Dual will be playing a set consisting of new tracks written and constructed with Audio Mulch, and using various looping delay/sampler tools. Dual will be performing live as a four piece for the first time and will be utilising live signal processing, prepared/treated guitars and improvised sampling/looping. Further info can be obtained at the Hagshadow website see below or contact Dual at info@dual.co.uk Hope you can all make it, hope its not a problem with this info being posted to the list, apologies in advance, if it is simply tell me and I shall ensure not to bother you all again. Colin HINOEUMA THE MALEDICTION 12 - 05 - 2000 HARBINGER & HINOEUMA present ORA ANDREW CHALK AND COLIN POTTER (Ferial Confine, Organum, Ora,etc) (Nurse With Wound, Ora, etc) DIETER MUH (European tour warm-up show) COLIN POTTER (Solo Performance) JOSHUA NORTON CABAL (Noise from UK) DUAL (Multi-guitar ambient/noise, first UK performance in two and half years, new CD album available in May 2000) DJ: PALL BAR SATE CHEESES INTERNATIONAL STALL 12 - 05 - 2000 RED ROSE 129 Seven Sisters Rd London N7 nearest tube finsbury park (victoria line). from 8pm to 2am info: hagshadow@freeuk.com www.geocities.com/hagshadow From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:42:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18956; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:14:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3917CF01.ECC6A121@clockworkgroup.no> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:40:33 +0200 From: mark Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... References: <002e01bfb951$b3a50850$15011eac@CIRDAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mdrzT2.0.a74.B_y5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So many people have listed my SECOND choices or NEAR faves thought I better join in incase you aint heard... Not all loopers...but all experimental and groundbreaking for their time...IMHO! 60's White Noise... An electric Storm in Hell (havent heard it?..er ...DO! you'll never belive how or when it was done) The Beatles 70's Kraftwerk... First or second albums...(before the bleeping noises) Can... Tago Mago Neu... Neu 1 or 2 Tangerine Dream... Rubicon or Phaedre PopolVuh 80's 23Skidoo... anything is cool Caberet Voltaire... Mix up or Voice of America Throbbing Gristle... 20 Jazz funk greats (already mentioned) Non... ( Very extreme... difficult to listen to ...but kinda important) Coil Holger Czukay... On the way to the peak of normal. Severed Heads 90's Autechre Laika Cranes (ahem...sorry...my band...couldnt resist it) Scorn Aphex Twin Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:58:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25506; Mon, 8 May 2000 05:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 05:21:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: RE: Acid / AE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:18:15 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2c (Intl)|2 February 2000) at 08/05/2000 10:18:16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ooDuF2.0.v96.KQe5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Jonathan:] > Click on the properties tab for the sample and change the number of > '8th notes' from 8 to 7. Ahh, thanks Jonathan .. I need never leave the house again .... :-) One thing I did notice is if you have, say, a loop of 16 beats, and a loop of 15 .. each @ 120 bpm, you can't specify the number of 8th notes as "8" and "7.5" .. so you have to say "16" and "15" and double the bpm to 240 (or as close as possible). Anyone found a trick for this? .. or is it just a sign that I shouldn't be doing 15/16 polyrhythms? .. no remixing Trey Gunn albums then. [Michael:] > I just listened to a CD of Autechre (Chiastic Slide) and they have > very nice percussive electronic sounds. How did they create them? > it doesn't sound like your regular drum machine. I really like Autechre .. if you get a chance, check out "444" from the "Incunabula" CD .. I love that track. Anyway, I think the lads rarely use stock sounds of any kind .. they build the "drum" track from sampled and treated sounds (like dogs barking etc.) and analogue generated sounds (using lots of LFO tweaking). I've never read anything about how they actually do it .. they keep a low public profile! I've found Audiomulch is a handy tool for generating these kind of sounds .. link up a load of contraptions and tweak the parameters until you have something you like .. then export to a WAV file. You can start with a sample in the "Loop Player" 'trap or start with an "analogue" style waveform using the "10 Harmonics" 'trap. (still doesn't sound exactly like AE, but a start) John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 21:58:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16305; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:43:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004EE4E7.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:21:31 -0400 Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"T6sjd3.0.nL3._ri5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. Stephen on 04/20/2000 02:51:00 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam I'm interested! I'm on the penninsula, play(?) ztar w/ midi looping & breath-controlled yamaha VL-1 diddling. I'm waiting for an EDP to arrive to try looping various Indian percussion insruments (ghatam, mridangam, tabla, kanjira, dholak), among other things. I've also studied Sanskrit for 12 years, & know something about the 'mantra chanting thing'. Re: Ali Akbar school - I've never taken classes there, but have heard only good things about it. Also check out India Currents http://www.indiacurrents.com/200004/classlst.htm - it looks like there is someone who teaches in fremont. The printed copy might have more east-bay teachers. Your best bet might for an east-bay hindustani music teacher might be to post a query to rec.music.indian.classical. stephen > Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying > table and voice at the Ali > Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about > that program? And/or do > you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? .... > >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite > rock lyrics into a Vortex > >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live > mantra events with > >drummers and didge. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:02:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15115; Tue, 9 May 2000 04:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:16:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bfb988$b2f73720$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: <010101bfb953$7a153ea0$c7e993c3@CBra981419> Subject: Re: Attention all Loopers in London Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:32:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"1gfdr1.0.q53.Iyx5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Colin... what's this venue? Is it generally a loop-friendly place to get gigs? cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Bradley To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:09 AM Subject: Attention all Loopers in London > Hello fellow loopers, this is my first proper post to the list although I've been lurking for a while. I can't thank you all enough > for the excellent tips and links, so heres some info on a good night out if you're in London next friday 12th May 2000. > Dual will be playing a set consisting of new tracks written and constructed with Audio Mulch, and using various looping > delay/sampler tools. Dual will be performing live as a four piece for the first time and will be utilising live signal processing, > prepared/treated guitars and improvised sampling/looping. > Further info can be obtained at the Hagshadow website see below or contact Dual at info@dual.co.uk > Hope you can all make it, hope its not a problem with this info being posted to the list, apologies in advance, if it is simply tell > me and I shall ensure not to bother you all again. > Colin > > > HINOEUMA > THE MALEDICTION > > 12 - 05 - 2000 > > HARBINGER & HINOEUMA present > > ORA > ANDREW CHALK AND COLIN POTTER > (Ferial Confine, Organum, Ora,etc) (Nurse With Wound, Ora, etc) > > DIETER MUH > (European tour warm-up show) > > COLIN POTTER > (Solo Performance) > > JOSHUA NORTON CABAL > (Noise from UK) > > DUAL > (Multi-guitar ambient/noise, first UK performance in two and half years, new CD album available in May 2000) > > DJ: PALL BAR SATE > > CHEESES INTERNATIONAL STALL > > 12 - 05 - 2000 > RED ROSE > 129 Seven Sisters Rd > London > N7 > nearest tube finsbury park (victoria line). > from 8pm to 2am > info: hagshadow@freeuk.com > www.geocities.com/hagshadow > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:01:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19060; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:09:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <052d01bfb956$d466dbe0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <39174E23.463454BD@ppi2pass.com> Subject: Re: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:35:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"2wJoK3.0.ZB4.Xts5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com She has a website: http://www.sirius.com/~pamelaz/ Pretty wacky stuff. I'd never heard of her before your post. This is why I love this list. Thanks! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Female Looper sighting! (also Listen to this) > Hey, I went to the San Francisco Electronic Music Fest and saw Pamela Z play > this Saturday. Really, really good! JamMan o rama. She fed her voice, > samples, and something called the BodysynthT through a JamMan and what looked > like an ART SGX2000, but I couldn't tell for sure. The Bodysynth was > invisible to me, but seemed to be controlling a laptop... the result was both > visually and musically amazing. If someone on the list knows her, fwd this > to her. If anyone ever says that loopage is a male phenomana after hearing > her should unsubscribe to this list, and subscribe to the Gwar delight list. > > there were also some guys wanking around with laptops. Good music came of > this, but for a performance it was LAME. Burn that crap to a CD, eh? > Watching a lone guy type and control pre made samples is not my idea of a > live performance. Sorry. > > Also, my fiancee turned me on to the LoopGurus. They're on this list, eh? > If so, NICE guys. Very nice. It will stay in my car's CD changer (next to > the Ben Neil album Triptical) for a long time. > > bye bye. > > -- > Mark Sottilaro > Professional Publications, Inc > 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 > Multimedia Production > E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com > Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:05:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00671; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:16:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... In-Reply-To: <002e01bfb951$b3a50850$15011eac@CIRDAN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_r_eT2.0.ba7.s256v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com adding to the list.. nurse with wound.. anything complete improv John Zorn.. anything and everything Last Exit... live in toyko Bill Laswell ... ( drummer in last exit ) also any of his works.. Bordems .. looping noise. and them some.. Tribes of Nurot.. Neurosis's other project, tis the ambience in there live set. Crash Worship.. see them live.. three drummers and many other musicans, as well as tape loops galore Throbing Gristle.. IBM tape machines and many many effects.. seAN --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 253-7621 I'm a member of the FVK.. --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* On Mon, 8 May 2000, Michael LaMeyer wrote: > Far out, I've already seen more than a few things I think I need to check > out. A handful I had to mention: > > Steve Tibbetts - anything at all really, a great looper > > Yr is his first album, considered a definitive > recording by people who like to > be quoted, I think it's pretty groundbreaking, > could use a little more bass > (sorry Steve, I know you did it in your basement > on an 8-track, right?) > > Safe Journey opens with a fairly intense track and > then settles into some > of the best textural, "ambient" music I've heard - > lots of subtlety, esp. that > bizarre bell tone in the last track, sounds like > he miked a cute little > resonant bell and then fed the signal through a > phase/delay feedback loop > turning it into the Buddha Bell from Mars > > Exploded View is probably one of the most intense > guitar albums I've > ever heard - listen to Name Everything and you > know what I mean. It's > like he got into a serious recording facility for > the first time and went > ballistic. Lots of phenomenal tape loop > manipulation weirdness here > > Aphex Twin - esp. the Digeridoo track, one artist who makes me wonder "what > the f**k IS that?" > > Uakti - another vote! make their own acoustic instruments & hit them with > subtlety, thank you Brazil! > > Zap Mama - mmmmmmmmmm > > Leo "Mr. Fingers" Kottke - says his singing sounds like a crow farting, but > dig the album > "Standing in My Shoes" > > Love, > > Mike > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:06:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02438; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:17:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@AOL.com Message-ID: <5b.5853f4d.26484baf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:56:15 EDT Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"LTcVr3.0.Gp7.07l5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I dont know what is exactly factual but i can see many things that are easilly & subjectively referenceable in U2. Actually IMHO that whole wall of guitar sound the edge has and continues to use is rooted in David Gilmour ...a la "run like hell" ... BTW & sorta more on topic, i do think the edge is running loops underneath their 1st top 10 US hit with or without you. but the bite of the edge's style was rooted in joy division ( new order )...which kinda was the majority of english/european style guitar stuff ( bass players included here too. & dig it, adam clayton sounds a lot like peter hook as did all those goth bands such as the sisters, red lory yellow lory, the mission and the fields of the nephillim, etc ; all except bauhaus. @ the time most english/euro bands Bands were simply in the roxy music camp and doing a disco/punk funk thang or more along the lines of the style guitar bands who were just as image conscious but more from a punk perspective ( squeeze and elvis C excluded ). all of that stuff was energetic too but not really that crunching and thunderous, it was rocking and colorful or as sarcastic and as morbid and melodramitic that teeenagers will tend to be. And like a text book, most ( manchester ) bands that came along concurrently with joy div/new order were clearly out of had that similar sound until the stone roses came along. even echo and the bunnymen had the bass and "style guitar" thang. will sargeant did a great and more 60's psychedilc version of bernard sumners phrasings so did robert smith )w/ the big exception of johnny marr say circa late 79-strecthing out to arounddddd.... say 88; it was then that we started the rediscovery of the 60's all over again. But that UK "style geetar stuff" was rooted in bernard sumners style of open string banging ( sharp, angular, jaunty, punctuated, jerky, lots of harmonics ). you could also argue gang of four in the same vein if you wanna be contentious cause they fit the joy div/new order timeline too. groups like the fall, killing joke and wire had more distinction to their sounds in my ears. same can be said with early and i do mean the very early demo album and 1st album from psychedelic furrs. Veering way of topic but related to this whole historical approach thang: The early Public Image Ltd was both groundbreaking and pretentious but never boring or afraid. ( A little prentiousness is sometimes a necessary ingredient and killer if it is used or played with or upon in the right contexts ) Back on to the topic related to what prompted this post : i always saw what eno did for U2 as being an avenue for U2 to embrace traditional rock n roll textures on U2's terms and allowed them to kinda get beyond that niche of what was then called being a "college band" played on college radio. U2 was always played on AOR stations butthey needed a breaktheough in america to get to the next level. Dont know if i am alone but i dont get the rush i used to get from rock n roll anymore and it seems U2 like all other rock n roll bands which are established and not quite ready for retirement ...well they are all trying hard to define themselves in a context that is hardly left breathing anymore. perhaps there may be more room for the loop musician ? somehow I suspect that room is already on the turntables somewhere. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:08:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16625; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:46:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cheryl_L_Boone@vanguard.com X-Lotus-FromDomain: VGINOTES To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <852568D9.004F3DD0.00@vgi4mail.vanguard.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:25:20 -0400 Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"FBE_23.0.vR3.Wvi5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I do not know how but my work address was added to your discussion group. Could you please remove me from your email group. Thanks. "Jonathan El-Bizri" on 04/20/2000 02:02:16 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: (bcc: Cheryl L Boone/Indiv/VGI) Subject: RE: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Me too. Somewhat similar setup. Definitely up to jam, and trying to set up something permanent. bIz 415.706.7376 -----Original Message----- From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com [mailto:kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam I live in the South Bay and I am interested in connecting. I play guitar, with EDP and DL4, and soon a SP-808EX. I have been making music for a long time but I am just a beginner too. Let's make contact. Love the Looper's mailing list! Kamlapati home : (408)530-8309 bets@she-bop.org on 04/20/2000 09:35:51 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: sfbay-looper/vortex chanting jam Classification: Restricted hi Stuart, I am brand new to looping (in fact not even: I am purchasing a DL4 within the next couple of weeks) but I would be into jamming once I have used the equipment a bit. I'm a keyboard/synth/percussion player, and really looking forward to getting more into the whole looping thing. THing is, I'm just finishing up school (Mills) and things are kind of crazy for the next couple of weeks. But after mid-May, I'd be into getting together. Let me know... I'm actually thinking of studying table and voice at the Ali Akbar Khan school soon, too. Do you know much about that program? And/or do you know any tabla teachers in the East Bay? Thanks, Betsey >Any East Bay Loopers have time & interest to try experimental jamming with >the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? >I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite rock lyrics into a Vortex >and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live mantra events with >drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a looper for fun >and maybe even do some projects together. stuart sovatsky >www.jps.net/stuartcs > > > > > > > > > >
Any East Bay Loopers have time & >interest to >try experimental jamming with the mantric vocalist (me) of the little-known >trance ensemble, Axis Mundi? I chant Sanskrit mantras mixed in with favorite >rock lyrics into a Vortex and a Digitech Vocalist Harmonizer to create live >mantra events with drummers and didge. Looking to either mess around with a >looper for fun and maybe even do some projects together.  stuart >sovatsky     href="http://www.jps.net/stuartcs">www.jps.net/stuartcs >
* * * * * * * * * Listening is forgetting the name of the thing one hears. -- Lawrence Weschler * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:10:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11548; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:37:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: OT RE: Acid / AE Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:17:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"Utt_M.0.pH2.qHm5v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Jonathan:] >> Click on the properties tab for the sample and change the number of >> '8th notes' from 8 to 7. > >Ahh, thanks Jonathan .. I need never leave the house again .... :-) > >One thing I did notice is if you have, say, a loop of 16 beats, and a loop >of 15 .. each @ 120 bpm, you can't specify the number of 8th notes as "8" >and "7.5" .. so you have to say "16" and "15" and double the bpm to 240 (or >as close as possible). Anyone found a trick for this? .. or is it just a >sign that I shouldn't be doing 15/16 polyrhythms? .. no remixing Trey Gunn >albums then. 'Friad so. No remixing Mr. Gunn, unless you place a cheesy four on the floor bass drum behind him, and have some nasty woman croon over the top of a 4/4 dance piano riff during the chorus. You can always make the loop twice as long in an audio editor so that it >is< 15 eight notes. [Michael:] >> I just listened to a CD of Autechre (Chiastic Slide) and they have >> very nice percussive electronic sounds. How did they create them? >> it doesn't sound like your regular drum machine. > >I really like Autechre .. if you get a chance, check out "444" from the >"Incunabula" CD .. I love that track. Anyway, I think the lads rarely use >stock sounds of any kind .. they build the "drum" track from sampled and >treated sounds (like dogs barking etc.) and analogue generated sounds >(using lots of LFO tweaking). I've never read anything about how they >actually do it .. they keep a low public profile! I have a bunch of their cds and after quite some initial fascination, grew tired of them quickly. In the same vein, you might want to check out 'Music has the right to Children' the cd release by Boards of Canada. This cd held my interest a lot longer. >From what I've heard, Autechre are somewhat retro snobs - they use lots of old retrofitted and converted gear - taking apart the oscillator sections of DX7s and transplanting them into other gear. For everything they've talked about interveiws, their sounds aren't so frontier breaking. Still, if that's what they enjoy, more power to them (and you of course - YMMV) You could get much more for less with a copy of reaktor running on a second pc, and even more bang for buck just using the little shareware apps and samples lying aroud the net. There is so much stuff around, if you're willing to work with what you get, you can make so awesome music on the cheap. >I've found Audiomulch is a handy tool for generating these kind of sounds >.. link up a load of contraptions and tweak the parameters until you have >something you like .. then export to a WAV file. You can start with a >sample in the "Loop Player" 'trap or start with an "analogue" style >waveform using the "10 Harmonics" 'trap. (still doesn't sound exactly like >AE, but a start) You might want to check out X-incarn - it's a beat editor which has some pretty interesting functions, such as being able to specifiy resonance, cutoff, distortion, pitch and direction on each 16th note. You can find the demo (fully functional except for save) and a whole load more at www.sonicspot.com (In fact you might want to go there for any little shareware sound proggies). Another place which comes to mind, for no reason really, is http://analogsamples.com - lots of instrument samples for free. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 22:54:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14486; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:54:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002b01bfd2a0$310e8a20$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: , References: Subject: Re: Acid / AE Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:53:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"apeDM2.0.xI3.rtC6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I really like Autechre .. if you get a chance, check out "444" from the > "Incunabula" CD .. I love that track. Anyway, I think the lads rarely use > stock sounds of any kind .. they build the "drum" track from sampled and > treated sounds (like dogs barking etc.) and analogue generated sounds > (using lots of LFO tweaking). I've never read anything about how they > actually do it .. they keep a low public profile! In the beginning they used lots of cheap digital and analog gear, casio samplers, stuff like that. Then with Tri-Repetae they were using alot of Nord Lead, and this led to computer synthesis and processing almost exclusively (I hear LP5 and EP7 are entirely done in the digital domain). The latest ZZTop samples them, you KNOW they've done something right. > I've found Audiomulch is a handy tool for generating these kind of sounds > .. link up a load of contraptions and tweak the parameters until you have > something you like .. then export to a WAV file. You can start with a > sample in the "Loop Player" 'trap or start with an "analogue" style > waveform using the "10 Harmonics" 'trap. (still doesn't sound exactly like > AE, but a start) Audiomulch is great. Also check out Buzz tracker.. for options and a more usable sequencer. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 23:19:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17776; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:19:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39188DA0.B8442CC1@gis.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:14:01 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: tc electronics D2 delay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mS_Bm3.0.H54.bFD6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone out there bought or tried the T C electronics D2 digital delay? I'm wondering, besides general impressions, if the delay time can be increased beyond the stock 10 seconds. Thanks, Paul S From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 23:32:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19289; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:32:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <24.4c85793.264a2e16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: playground samples? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"gZN313.0.J94.uGD6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-05-02 14:14:46 EDT, you write: << In Los Angeles, though, you'd have another wrinkle in the bit, where you get in trouble with the teacher supervising the playground, not for seeming suspicious, but because some 5-year-old complained to his teacher, that you were recording him without obtaining a release... :) >> Not to mention waiting for planes, trucks, busses, dogs, leaf blowers to co-operate. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 23:47:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20585; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:30:46 EDT Subject: Re: rack mixer w/ aux sends To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"-bSSO3.0.ic4.GWD6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-05-02 16:06:58 EDT, you write: << Has anybody here know of a rack mixer (around 8 channels) with individual aux sends per channel? I am working with delay loops which will require me to bring back different channels of processed sound back to another channel + send only portion of these to other channels (+ place other FXs) before a final cut. I guess this is along the lines of work similar to David Torn and others. >> I recently found an old-ish rack mixer from Kawai. It has 8 Stereo (yay!) inputs, each of the 8 channels have two aux sends, one of which is actually a stereo send (yay!). The first two stereo channels will handle a mic level, too. It has balanced outputs L/R +4/-10 dB switchable, and an extra pair of 1/4" outs. There's also additional stereo FX returns but without faders. Only 2 rack spaces!! It is pretty darn quiet. Got it cheap used at a store $100. sorry don't remember the model num. - Write me at and I can check at home if you like! Beware - there is a cheaper Kawai 8 keyboard mixer that isn't as nice. mine has sliding pot faders instead of knobs. The only thing I miss is a simple EQ - hi & lo for each channel. Also for 2 space mixers the Alesis looks nice it has aux sends and I think hi & lo eq. somewhere around $300? There is also a Samson with rotary knob faders, haven't heard it... eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 9 23:47:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20647; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:47:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a301bfba30$a3f1e9c0$40eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <39171E19.899C0909@inreach.com> Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:34:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"JOkdC.0.ek4.vXD6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Impressions (2CD set) - Jacqueline du Pre Utom: Summoning The Spirit - Music of the T'boli people Seven Veils - Robert Rich Symphonic Ruins - Ruins Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack (Vols. 1-3) - Yoko Kanno Waltzes, Two-Steps, & Other Matters of the Heart - Gerry Hemingway Quintet Luminosity - John Lindberg Skin - Erik Friedlander Banquet - Mark Dresser Parallel Galaxy - Emmett Chapman ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Listen to This... > Hey! How about a nice round of recommended listening... anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 00:48:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29345; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:48:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:48:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <14.35b3340.264a4316@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:44:06 EDT Subject: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"CpQ4e1.0.k47.zaE6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time loop 1 would have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does when you record from loop to loop possible? thanks!!!! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 01:09:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31597; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:09:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <14.35b3340.264a4316@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"JrYkD.0.Ca7.JrE6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time > loop 1 would > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does > when you record from loop to loop possible? Very possible. I assume I am reading your question right. You can set it up so that when you are in loop 1, you can press the NextLoop button to go to loop 2. I keep my setup so that it will wait until the next loop begin to go to loop 2 and automatically enter record mode. The contents of loop one are dumped onto loop two and you choose (by pressing record or overdub) when to stop the loop...ending on an even multiple of the first loop. Note, the above is just one scenario with one configuration. Many variations are possible. (not waiting for loop begin before jumping to the next loop...not dumping loop one contents on loop 2...not automatically going into record mode...etc) -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 01:26:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00790; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:26:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000510052240.1171.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"5xXHh1.0.S6.d8F6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you will find your answers here.... http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html#loopcopy John --- ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same > amount of time loop 1 would > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like > the jamman does when you > record from loop to loop > possible? > thanks!!!! > brian > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 02:12:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04672; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:12:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: What is the LFO for? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39172B5B.C4FA1543@best.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"EFHGp.0.421.5pF6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The most beautiful use I've experienced is to have a very slight oscillation on the echoes; this produces a pitch variation which, when mixed at the right level with the input signal, produces a delicious chorus sound, especially when used with a volume pedal in slow swells. Of course you can speed it up and get some cool "60s surfing" effects with very small delays. I think there are all kinds of avenues of experimentation when an LFO is present. | -----Original Message----- | From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] | Sent: Monday 08 May 2000 2:02 PM | To: Loopers-Delight | Subject: What is the LFO for? | | | I've seen a number of references here on LD about the necessity of | having a good LFO in conjunction with a delay device. Assuming that LFO | means low frequency oscillator, how is it used? Is it modulating | something? | | -Allan | __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 02:38:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06955; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:38:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.4ad1441.264a5ac0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:25:04 EDT Subject: Re: Negativland on tour...ENO and U2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"oWi9I3.0.aQ1.m3G6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/9/00 9:43:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << Phooey! The only folks that'll tell you that can't play a musical instrument. >> Imaybe ur right. but musical virtuosity and actually playing instruments and having a commitment to an instrument really doesnt matter much anymore to audiences just like music does not matter that much these days. i kinda liken the mdern state of things to sticks of chewing gum..basically they are all the same thing a wrapper and sugar coating or nutrasweet but people keep chewing the gum until the flavor goes out which is pretty fast these days. & then folks get another stick and another and another and another & so on, etc. I think the musicians and non musicians who are easilly defined and follow expected definitions of who and what they should be and say are the ones who will be successful and eassilly embraced by a public that for years now ( there is a whole generation out now that has been raised in a vacuum of sorts with no references other than nonmusian references to draw upon and compare notes ) does not want complicated or disconcerting entertainment. But i also think that musicians who immediately come up with a solid definition &/or musicians-nonmusicians who recreate existing definitions/cliches and or decontruct the mythos and establishment of such definitions and constantly reinvent and churn out new and redefined perspectives are on to something whter its on the turntable or being played and created live n the flesh. sometimes the turntable dudes and dudettes "get it" and other times they do not. but i cant dis-include dj culture or non-musicians from having any validity or deny that they can have a certain strength of perspective to bear on me and other listners & especially so if u were to consider and think in the context of how music is listened to and actually heard these days. I think traditional musians "musicians" need to adapt a little bit of the non-musicians way of thinking and executing their work. that is nothing new and more and more there are more and more traditional musicians who are taking the non musicians ques and integrating a different but refreshing music. But I think looping's future is in the hands of folks who spin vinyl and cd's at nite clubs...its disposable, mesmerizing and potentially a real high point or a bummer depending on who is making the noise/music but it fits nicely with what people wanna get from a musical experience...enuff to entertain and amuse audiences. Not saying that if u play an instrument u are irrelevant but i do say it becomes harder to remain relevant in any performance's context. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 02:55:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08678; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:55:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:55:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000510064948.72458.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.187.39.168] From: "ieme wieger de haan" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Brian May or Guild BHM Red Special pland/drawings for construction of Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:49:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-uie_2.0.512.nQG6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have a copy of brian may his official drawings they are verry special there are only 2 persons on the whole world who have them!!! it is me and a friend! but i will not copy them! i cant do that i prommised it personal to brian! on the site www.jackfunk.com you can find out lots and lots of stuff about brian his axe! and all the copys there are drawings too at come.to/tornado i hope i can help you but i can't and i will not give you the drawings i have! but the ones at come.to/tornado are more less exact! i hope this is a push in the good direction! any questions? mail me! ieme de haan >I would love to get from you, or find out from you how to obtain the plans >for building a Red Special. > >Any help at all is greatly appreciated!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 05:14:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18875; Wed, 10 May 2000 05:14:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:14:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFBA70.C051C0F0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: Loopers Delight Subject: re: from ACID to keykit! Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:59:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a8sYC1.0.oZ4.YVI6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rob cummings said, > the answer for the brave: keykit! > try here: > or here: thanks for posting this rob!! also, there's a collection of incredible online interactive algorithmic keykit based tune toys at http://thompsonresidence.com/tjt/index.html lots of fun!! = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 09:50:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07500; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:50:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... In-Reply-To: <3918567C.A86C9BCC@virtulink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EIwbv3.0.aj1.RWM6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ARE you shure,, my copy of Last Exit Shows Laswell On Drums, as well As Praxis Shows Laswell on Drums.. seAN --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 220-4628 I'm a member of the FVK.. --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* On Tue, 9 May 2000, David Beardsley wrote: > > sorin wrote: > > > > adding to the list.. > > > > nurse with wound.. anything complete improv > > John Zorn.. anything and everything > > Last Exit... live in toyko > > Bill Laswell ... ( drummer in last exit ) also any of his works.. > > HE'S THE BASS PLAYER!!! > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 09:54:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07975; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:54:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: sorin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... In-Reply-To: <00a301bfba30$a3f1e9c0$40eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SdK472.0.0s1.iaM6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes Cowboy Bebop sound track is great, dont forget Merzbo and Man is the Bastastard as well. seAN --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* Widomaker Communications Services, Inc Network Operations Center ( NOC ) Williamsburg Va (757) 220-4628 I'm a member of the FVK.. --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* On Tue, 9 May 2000, pvallad1 wrote: > Impressions (2CD set) - Jacqueline du Pre > Utom: Summoning The Spirit - Music of the T'boli people > Seven Veils - Robert Rich > Symphonic Ruins - Ruins > Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack (Vols. 1-3) - Yoko Kanno > Waltzes, Two-Steps, & Other Matters of the Heart - Gerry Hemingway Quintet > Luminosity - John Lindberg > Skin - Erik Friedlander > Banquet - Mark Dresser > Parallel Galaxy - Emmett Chapman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eric" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: Listen to This... > > > > Hey! How about a nice round of recommended listening... anyone? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 10:09:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10095; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:09:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:09:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00eb01bfba88$2c8e38e0$03cf08cf@STVINC.COM> From: "Don Pancoe" To: References: Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:00:58 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"BFXHP1.0.aJ2.UnM6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ARE you shure,, my copy of Last Exit Shows Laswell On Drums, as well As > Praxis Shows Laswell on Drums.. Are YOU sure that it doesn't say something like drum LOOPS or drum PROGRAMMING, which Laswell does a lot of? Aside from his production, bass is definitely the instrument Laswell is most known for. I was just commenting last night about how some of Laswell's releases are absolute masterpieces; music that just had to be made, as Fripp would put it. But he puts out so much stuff (or at least he used to, I've stopped keeping track,) a lot of it is forgettable. Its kind of a shotgun approach to making art. -- Mango -- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 11:04:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15919; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:04:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:04:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <33.4e4104e.264ad320@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:58:40 EDT Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"LLlnO3.0.Ih3.8bN6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/10/00 1:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcgary@metronet.com writes: > > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time > > loop 1 would > > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) > > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does > > when you record from loop to loop possible? > > Very possible. I assume I am reading your question right. > You can set it up so that when you are in loop 1, you can > press the NextLoop button to go to loop 2. I keep my setup > so that it will wait until the next loop begin to go to > loop 2 and automatically enter record mode. The contents of > loop one are dumped onto loop two and you choose (by pressing > record or overdub) when to stop the loop...ending on an even > multiple of the first loop. > i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop button.......like the jamman possible? sorry maybe i missed something but couldn't seem to find this information in the loopers edp faq page thanks!!!!!!!!1 brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 11:11:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16622; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:11:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:11:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.2a5a478.264ad544@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:07:48 EDT Subject: lovetone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"U3BrX.0.Q-3.ejN6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com lovetone is alive and well and they have a pretty neat site at www.lovetone.com you can hear all of their pedals there........... there had been mention of them on the list before............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 11:32:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19236; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:32:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <33.4e4104e.264ad320@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"s5TV21.0.CZ4.v_N6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop > two......i just > want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it > automatically stop at > the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop > button.......like the jamman possible? The loop-copy is just one of the options. Sounds like what you want is easily accomplished. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 12:00:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22169; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:00:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <047901bfba97$c7027bc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:52:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wxrtf1.0.AD5.PMO6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Brian >i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just >want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at >the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop >button.......like the jamman >possible? I'm not exactly clear on what you want to do but this might help: Check the EDP manual page 4-76 under SwitchQuant. In discussing alternate endings during the "lame duck" period - "Insert Copies the timing (but not the contents) of the first cycle of the current loop into the next loop, and puts you into Insert mode when you get there. Caution: erases the contents of the next loop." I don't have my EDP with me right now, but with a single cycle loop in #1, some sequence like: NEXTLOOP, INSERT, (wait for loop #2), INSERT will probably copy the timing of loop #1 into loop #2. I'm not sure you can make the EDP work EXACTLY like the Jamman regarding copying loop timing. It may require more than one button press to provide the same function. Some folks on the list own both EDPs and Jamdudes so they could probably understand your analogy better than I. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 12:35:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26396; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:35:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bfba9d$19b223c0$2371fd3f@default> From: "jeff immer" To: References: <33.4e4104e.264ad320@aol.com> Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:30:47 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"EgD5J2.0.pK6.BxO6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? > In a message dated 5/10/00 1:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mcgary@metronet.com writes: > > > > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time > > > loop 1 would > > > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) > > > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does > > > when you record from loop to loop possible? > > > > Very possible. I assume I am reading your question right. > > You can set it up so that when you are in loop 1, you can > > press the NextLoop button to go to loop 2. I keep my setup > > so that it will wait until the next loop begin to go to > > loop 2 and automatically enter record mode. The contents of > > loop one are dumped onto loop two and you choose (by pressing > > record or overdub) when to stop the loop...ending on an even > > multiple of the first loop. > > > i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just > want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at > the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop > button.......like the jamman > possible? > > sorry maybe i missed something but couldn't seem to find this information in > the loopers edp faq page > > thanks!!!!!!!!1 > brian >Hey dude, I don't own an edp(yet) but I've been studying the 50 someodd page manuel like it was the holy Bible and it can record your second loop with the same amount of time as your first loop and have the second loop be "just the second loop". The edp manuel states that there is a difference between a loop ( being a stand alone "cycle") and an overdub (cycle(s) layered over a primary "cycle". This is, of course, according to the manual; I have no real experience to back this up with. You can down load the manuel for the edp from the Gibson site. Its a tedius read but it gets better the more you read it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 12:16:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24343; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:16:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:11:48 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dennis@mdbs.com Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Resent-Message-ID: <"kEHGA.0.yp5.YfO6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOOPCOPY... in the parameters you can choose either Sound, Time or OFF. You CAN copy just the time and not the entire contents to your next loop. -Miko >>> "Dennis W. Leas" 05/10 8:58 AM >>> Hi Brian >i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just >want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at >the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop >button.......like the jamman >possible? I'm not exactly clear on what you want to do but this might help: Check the EDP manual page 4-76 under SwitchQuant. In discussing alternate endings during the "lame duck" period - "Insert Copies the timing (but not the contents) of the first cycle of the current loop into the next loop, and puts you into Insert mode when you get there. Caution: erases the contents of the next loop." I don't have my EDP with me right now, but with a single cycle loop in #1, some sequence like: NEXTLOOP, INSERT, (wait for loop #2), INSERT will probably copy the timing of loop #1 into loop #2. I'm not sure you can make the EDP work EXACTLY like the Jamman regarding copying loop timing. It may require more than one button press to provide the same function. Some folks on the list own both EDPs and Jamdudes so they could probably understand your analogy better than I. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 12:41:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26980; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:41:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:13:00 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? In-reply-to: <33.4e4104e.264ad320@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-snfq3.0.Q06.9mO6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:58 AM -0700 5/10/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/10/00 1:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >mcgary@metronet.com writes: > >> > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time >> > loop 1 would >> > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) >> > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does >> > when you record from loop to loop possible? >> >> Very possible. I assume I am reading your question right. >> You can set it up so that when you are in loop 1, you can >> press the NextLoop button to go to loop 2. I keep my setup >> so that it will wait until the next loop begin to go to >> loop 2 and automatically enter record mode. The contents of >> loop one are dumped onto loop two and you choose (by pressing >> record or overdub) when to stop the loop...ending on an even >> multiple of the first loop. >> >i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just >want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at >the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop >button.......like the jamman >possible? > yes, that's very possible. That is what the TimeCopy function does. It works just like the loopcopy function, except the sound of the previous loop is not copied to the new one, only its time base. You set it to work automatically with the loopcopy parameter = ti. Or, if you have switchquantizing on, you can do it anytime. (described in the manual in the SwitchQuant section.) When you use timecopy, it is like you are doing the Insert function into a new loop. Because of that, we have you actually end the loop record by pressing Insert button, to complete that idea. So when you have timecopy on and you press NextLoop to go to a new loop, you see it start recording immediately. If you press Insert, it rounds off to the next cycle point, based on the previous loop time. (you can let it go longer and do multiples of the previous loop time as well, you will see the multiple display count up just like with a normal insert.) You can also end the loop record immediately by pressing Record. This gives you flexibility, if you want you have your loop be exactly the same length as the previous loop or you can choose to cut it off at any length. Try it, you'll see it's very easy. hope this helps. kim kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 13:48:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01906; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:48:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39199F50.EF85486B@inreach.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:41:36 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vo32v.0.eK.IzP6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for all the fascinating suggestions for music listening! I feel most alive when new music is coming in and going out of me. best, eobe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 14:53:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08189; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:53:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:53:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bfbaae$d77f8e40$ef02fea9@pavilion> From: "hideo" To: Cc: "Robert Verberkmoes" References: <047901bfba97$c7027bc0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Jamman FS Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:36:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"P1Oc9.0.Yi1.dmQ6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com not mine anymore--DON"T post me e-mail the seller Robert Verberkmoes super_pingouin@hotmail.com traded one of mine to a friend for a heavily modded-MC-202 and he's decided he needs to sell it $525 and shipping --it's stock (8 seconds) and in like new shape--original box, no footpedal--photo-copied instructions if no one bites here or on Harmony soon, off to eBay it goes his name is Robert and I've dealt with him before--he has a mile's worth of positive eBay feedback and lots of refs--just another recovering gear junkie Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 10 18:41:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30604; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED4283013867E0@deimos.tld.com> From: Mark Turi To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: the ultimate echo Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:46:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: <"wxsKw.0.wE6.MXT6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One echoplex per string on a guitar with 6 outs ... is the obsessive? Or compulsive? > Uh I understand my partner Shaun Vance ( up here in Vancouver ) ordered the > 6 echoplex(s) .. are you shipping them ups overnight ? > Mark, I've got the order ready to go, but we haven't settled on shipment yet. I'll send a tracking number as soon as I get one. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 04:10:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11126; Thu, 11 May 2000 04:10:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:10:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bfbb13$14c523a0$42986dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <39199F50.EF85486B@inreach.com> Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:35:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"8S9Bx3.0.gD1.dFb6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Thanks for all the fascinating suggestions for music listening! > I feel most alive when new music is coming in and going out of me. > best, > eobe > hmmm... i just hope you cleaned up afterwards.... :) Simon Kean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 04:10:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11153; Thu, 11 May 2000 04:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:10:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfbb12$ba8be900$42986dcb@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <00eb01bfba88$2c8e38e0$03cf08cf@STVINC.COM> Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:32:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9U22R.0.8B1.VDb6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > ARE you shure,, my copy of Last Exit Shows Laswell On Drums, as well As > > Praxis Shows Laswell on Drums.. > > Are YOU sure that it doesn't say something like drum LOOPS or drum > PROGRAMMING, which Laswell does a lot of? Aside from his production, bass is > definitely the instrument Laswell is most known for. > > I was just commenting last night about how some of Laswell's releases are > absolute masterpieces; music that just had to be made, as Fripp would put > it. But he puts out so much stuff (or at least he used to, I've stopped > keeping track,) a lot of it is forgettable. Its kind of a shotgun approach > to making art. > amen to that. I recently came out of a huge Laswell buying binge of late. While there is some truly outstanding work this guy has produced (eg; the latest Material cd: Intonarumori), there is a plethora of not-so memorable stuff he churns out on an almost daily basis. Listening/collecting Laswell albums is sometimes like panning for gold. When you hit a nugget, it's worth the effort though. Just my $0.02 Cheers Simon Kean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 06:16:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20069; Thu, 11 May 2000 06:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:16:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015f01bfbb25$1bdb3c80$bb9bb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:29:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"rGlBe.0.hM3.GDd6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think i understand what Brian means i asked Kim the same question and that is: can the EDP copy the length of loop 1 into loop 2 with just one button press? the answer is unfortunately no. you need to have a second press of RECORD to end the loop 2 where you want it to end. I hope this is what you mean? adios! Luis > LOOPCOPY... in the parameters you can choose either Sound, Time or > OFF. You CAN copy just the time and not the entire contents to your > next loop. > > -Miko > > >>> "Dennis W. Leas" 05/10 8:58 AM >>> > Hi Brian > > >i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop > two......i just > >want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically > stop at > >the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop > >button.......like the jamman > >possible? > > I'm not exactly clear on what you want to do but this might help: > > Check the EDP manual page 4-76 under SwitchQuant. In discussing > alternate > endings during the "lame duck" period - > > "Insert > Copies the timing (but not the contents) of the first cycle of the > current > loop into the next loop, and puts you into Insert mode when you get > there. Caution: erases the contents of the next loop." > > I don't have my EDP with me right now, but with a single cycle loop > in #1, some > sequence like: NEXTLOOP, INSERT, (wait for loop #2), INSERT will > probably copy > the timing of loop #1 into loop #2. > > I'm not sure you can make the EDP work EXACTLY like the Jamman > regarding copying > loop timing. It may require more than one button press to provide > the same > function. Some folks on the list own both EDPs and Jamdudes so they > could > probably understand your analogy better than I. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 06:37:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21417; Thu, 11 May 2000 06:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:37:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004001bfbb29$a46503c0$766d1997@brian> From: "brian80" To: Subject: R: Brian May or Guild BHM Red Special pland/drawings for construction of Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:16:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QaaOa3.0._y3.0gd6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you ieme. I think that on the site you advieced me, I've found a treasure. -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ieme wieger de haan A: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Data: mercoledě 10 maggio 2000 9.30 Oggetto: Re: Brian May or Guild BHM Red Special pland/drawings for construction of >i have a copy of brian may his official drawings they are verry special >there are only 2 persons on the whole world who have them!!! >it is me and a friend! >but i will not copy them! i cant do that i prommised it personal to brian! >on the site www.jackfunk.com you can find out lots and lots of stuff about >brian his axe! and all the copys >there are drawings too at come.to/tornado >i hope i can help you but i can't and i will not give you the drawings i >have! but the ones at come.to/tornado are more less exact! > >i hope this is a push in the good direction! >any questions? mail me! > > >ieme de haan > > > > >>I would love to get from you, or find out from you how to obtain the plans >>for building a Red Special. >> >>Any help at all is greatly appreciated!!! > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 18:42:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13133; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:42:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:42:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bfbb93$b0aa4a40$6e87abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: Lexicon vortex Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:55:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFBBA4.737150E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZkLo72.0.qN2.Fho6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFBBA4.737150E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has it any loop capability ? 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFBBA4.737150E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 19:34:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17295; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:34:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391BB487.B3D6B53D@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:36:39 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon vortex References: <001e01bfbb93$b0aa4a40$6e87abd4@h2v6p1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V8ewR3.0.2M3.rZp6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > luca wrote: > > has it any loop capability ? > > Luca yes http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 19:47:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18029; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:47:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000511230352.23886.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: frank eidos Subject: tape echo design To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WiGBJ2.0.Ng3.znp6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've posted up on asking info about echo/delay pedals...but looking at the pieces for them all, i think it would be more worth my time to create something unique, and that in the end if it works (crossing fingas) will certainly will be worth the effort. I mean there are plenty of cheap delays, but having a tape echo would be unique. I was thinking that it would be possible to rig up an old reel to reel for this (RtoR, the proto 8track, heh). I have an old one and I have access to another to pull apart. So from here it would be looping tape, creating pots, and maybe a circuit. Any tips or suggestions? I plan to make it a three head, which means I need for four head recorders, right? Someone said that it wouldn't sound of the best quality, but then again, didn't some old tape echo box use a phone tape?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 20:40:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22119; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:40:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: adams.patriot.net: dusty owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:21:56 -0400 (EDT) From: ";-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon vortex In-Reply-To: <391BB487.B3D6B53D@vtx.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6EdS12.0.Z35.cwq6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 12 May 2000, Claude voit wrote: > > luca wrote: > > > > has it any loop capability ? > > yes yes From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 22:17:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28942; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:17:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <69.4d6f84a.264cc068@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:03:20 EDT Subject: Re: Show: Bill Frisell Live 6/25 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"9p79S1.0.Cv6.NQs6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, In a message dated 05/09/00 5:29:46 PM, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: >I got an email from the Experience Music Project regarding their coming >opening in Seattle on June 23, and I couldn't help but notice the following, >given the buzz about Frisell that's been on this list. Thanks a bunch for mentioning this. I'm a big Frisell fan and I hadn't even heard about the concerts that were going to be a part of the grand opening thing for EMP. Because of your mentioning it, my wife bought me tickets for my birthday (!!!!) and orchestra section too. Wow! I live down in Oregon but frequent Seattle a couple times a year. Now I've really got something to look foreward to in June. Again thanks! TK From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 23:04:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32336; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:04:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:48:57 EDT Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"MRUV-.0.Uj7.15t6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/10/00 12:36:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: > >> > can the edp be set up to record exactly the same amount of time > >> > loop 1 would > >> > have when jumping to loop 2 (automatically) > >> > looking to set my edp up very rudimentary....like the jamman does > >> > when you record from loop to loop possible? > >> > >> Very possible. I assume I am reading your question right. > >> You can set it up so that when you are in loop 1, you can > >> press the NextLoop button to go to loop 2. I keep my setup > >> so that it will wait until the next loop begin to go to > >> loop 2 and automatically enter record mode. The contents of > >> loop one are dumped onto loop two and you choose (by pressing > >> record or overdub) when to stop the loop...ending on an even > >> multiple of the first loop. > >> > >i don't want the contents of loop one spilling over to loop two......i just > >want to start an individual loop(loop 2) and have it automatically stop at > >the exact same time as loop 1 with one press of the next loop > >button.......like the jamman > >possible? > > > > yes, that's very possible. That is what the TimeCopy function does. It > works just like the loopcopy function, except the sound of the previous > loop is not copied to the new one, only its time base. You set it to work > automatically with the loopcopy parameter = ti. Or, if you have > switchquantizing on, you can do it anytime. (described in the manual in the > SwitchQuant section.) > > When you use timecopy, it is like you are doing the Insert function into a > new loop. Because of that, we have you actually end the loop record by > pressing Insert button, to complete that idea. So when you have timecopy on > and you press NextLoop to go to a new loop, you see it start recording > immediately. If you press Insert, it rounds off to the next cycle point, > based on the previous loop time. (you can let it go longer and do multiples > of the previous loop time as well, you will see the multiple display count > up just like with a normal insert.) > thanks kim, the press of the insert did the trick on to the next question...................................................................... ................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 23:21:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01347; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:21:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <27.571787f.264ccfa4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:08:20 EDT Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"HEwxZ3.0.H9.BNt6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if i have say 4 loops going how might i kill all the loops and start from scratch? right now i'm doing a long press of the record button to erase a loop and erasing each loop separately this way.........is there a way to start from scratch with one press of button? thank you for your help in advance! brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 23:43:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02845; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:43:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c701bfbbc3$76f2be60$09eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BipRm1.0.sc.7nt6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, I'm surprised somebody else on this list has actually heard of Cowboy Bebop! Its only one of my favorite sci-fi adventure shows, and the soundtrack is wonderfully varied. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "sorin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Listen to This... > Yes Cowboy Bebop sound track is great, dont forget Merzbo and Man is the > Bastastard as well. > > > > seAN > > > --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* > > Widomaker Communications Services, Inc > Network Operations Center ( NOC ) > Williamsburg Va > (757) 220-4628 > > I'm a member of the FVK.. > > --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* > > On Tue, 9 May 2000, pvallad1 wrote: > > > Impressions (2CD set) - Jacqueline du Pre > > Utom: Summoning The Spirit - Music of the T'boli people > > Seven Veils - Robert Rich > > Symphonic Ruins - Ruins > > Cowboy Bebop Original Soundtrack (Vols. 1-3) - Yoko Kanno > > Waltzes, Two-Steps, & Other Matters of the Heart - Gerry Hemingway Quintet > > Luminosity - John Lindberg > > Skin - Erik Friedlander > > Banquet - Mark Dresser > > Parallel Galaxy - Emmett Chapman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "eric" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:05 PM > > Subject: Listen to This... > > > > > > > Hey! How about a nice round of recommended listening... anyone? > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 23:55:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04177; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:55:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000512035120.6395.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"GTtGV3.0.Iz.x-t6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Reset one of the loops, then press & hold MULTIPLY. This should reset all loops as well as return you to loop #1. John --- ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > if i have say 4 loops going how might i kill all the > loops and start from > scratch? > right now i'm doing a long press of the record > button to erase a loop and > erasing each loop separately this way.........is > there a way to start from > scratch with one press of button? > thank you for your help in advance! > brian > ebnoise > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 11 23:56:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04252; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:56:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101bfbbc4$8b38c1c0$09eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Listen to This... Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:45:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"HN3Oi2.0.zj.Mut6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This one won't cost you a penny (other that what you pay for your Internet access): http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/55/117_west_great_western.html Dan Stearns is a regular on the Tuning Digest. Turns out he's also a very creative composer, being as obsessed with microtonal schemes as anybody on that list. A mind-blowing operator of the guitar as well when he feels like it (yes, there are examples of his guitar playing on the page). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 00:18:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07671; Fri, 12 May 2000 00:18:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:18:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000512040012.7414.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"BSQj12.0.y81.F7u6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ebnoise, Just as you are doing, do the long press of record to erase that loop, then you will notice that the Multiply LED is yellow. Then do a Long press of Multiply and ALL loops will be cleared, the screen reverts back to showing how many loops you have set, and the RAM time available for each loop. You are ready to record all loops fresh. When clearing all loops, you can do the long rec, long mult from within any loop (clears all loops). bret --- ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: > if i have say 4 loops going how might i kill all the > loops and start from > scratch? > right now i'm doing a long press of the record > button to erase a loop and > erasing each loop separately this way.........is > there a way to start from > scratch with one press of button? > thank you for your help in advance! > brian > ebnoise > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 00:38:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10937; Fri, 12 May 2000 00:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:38:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: BCyayli@aol.com Message-ID: <37.50fa24c.264cdeff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:13:51 EDT Subject: EDP undo button To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"P-vu1.0.uT1.bKu6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my new edp is just out of the box....when i press the undo button, it doesn't always undo the last loop....if it happens to work, when i hold the undo button down for a long time, to undo the next-to-last loop, nothing happens at all...does anyone have any insights? is there something wrong with my edp or have i not figured out how to make it work? signed, yet another female looper(-to-be)....beth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 01:03:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13007; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:03:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:03:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bfbbcd$93fa2fc0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <37.50fa24c.264cdeff@aol.com> Subject: Re: EDP undo button Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:50:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nNzsQ1.0.Ao2.ipu6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yayy! Welcome Beth- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: EDP undo button > my new edp is just out of the box....when i press the undo button, it doesn't > always undo the last loop....if it happens to work, when i hold the undo > button down for a long time, to undo the next-to-last loop, nothing happens > at all...does anyone have any insights? is there something wrong with my edp > or have i not figured out how to make it work? signed, yet another female > looper(-to-be)....beth > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 02:42:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22081; Fri, 12 May 2000 02:42:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 02:42:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391BA7CD.13617A03@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:42:29 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP undo button References: <37.50fa24c.264cdeff@aol.com> <001101bfbbcd$93fa2fc0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2d8lo3.0.TI5.oQw6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Om_Audio wrote: > Yayy! Welcome Beth- > > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:13 PM > Subject: EDP undo button > > > my new edp is just out of the box....when i press the undo button, it > doesn't > > always undo the last loop....if it happens to work, when i hold the undo > > button down for a long time, to undo the next-to-last loop, nothing > happens > > at all...does anyone have any insights? is there something wrong with my > edp > > or have i not figured out how to make it work? signed, yet another > female > > looper(-to-be)....beth > > beth, don't know how far into the manual you've gotten, but somewhere i recall reading that the undo function is memory-dependent; in other words, you can undo to the limits of the memory you have left. also, reverse is unfortunately too complex a function for the edp to be able to undo (don't know if you've tried the reverse function out yet, but it's tres cool. check out kim's reverse suggestions if you haven't already...) http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html perhaps kim, matthias or another far more knowledgeable than i could elucidate further. my sense is there's nothing wrong with your edp, tho :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 03:46:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26554; Fri, 12 May 2000 03:46:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:46:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391BB273.4061@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:27:47 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re : tape echo design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XG5Bn1.0.XA6.wAx6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I've posted up on asking info about echo/delay > pedals...but looking at > the pieces for them all, i think it would be more > worth my time to > create something unique, and that in the end if it > works (crossing > fingas) will certainly will be worth the effort. I > mean there are > plenty of cheap delays, but having a tape echo would > be unique. > > I was thinking that it would be possible to rig up an > old reel to reel > for this (RtoR, the proto 8track, heh). I have an old > one and I have > access to another to pull apart. So from here it > would be looping > tape, creating pots, and maybe a circuit. Any tips or > suggestions? I plan to make it a three head, which > means I need for four head recorders, right? > > Someone said that it wouldn't sound of the best > quality, but then > again, didn't some old tape echo box use a phone tape?! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BFBBE3.453D9FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 08:59:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15466; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006401bfbc10$a053ac40$1a46ccd1@kasinskas> From: "Joe Kasinskas" To: References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DD9@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Subject: Re: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:49:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"KHGbs2.0.AY3.7t_6v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Actually, I just remembered that Dripsody is also available on a Naxos CD > called "Introduction to Canadian Music." It's a 2-disc set with booklet and, > as usual with Naxos, it's very reasonably priced. I don't remember the > serial number off-hand, but if anyone's interested I can find out. > Also of interest is "Water Music", Tod Dockstader. Dripping water sound source, tape studio work from the early 60's. Great (exeptionally clean) CD on Starkland ST-201. Also on the disk is "Two Moons from Quatermass" and "Quatermass". Anyone know Dockstader? A self-taught sound engineer who came up with some great stuff. He had access to major sound studios for a while, did these amazing pieces. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 09:45:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19261; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:45:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:45:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C030E.3C4919D2@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:11:42 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Listen to This... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VPsUt3.0.S44.0F07v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorin wrote: > > ARE you shure,, my copy of Last Exit Shows Laswell On Drums, as well As > Praxis Shows Laswell on Drums.. Maybe drum machine? And I doubt with Ronald Shannon Jackson around, they would need one. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 10:22:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22949; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:22:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:22:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <056e01bfbc19$aaf488a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_C9Ov.0.Wt4.6q07v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >.........is there a way to start from >scratch with one press of button? Yes. Try the POWER button. (Hey! It's FRIDAY!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 10:28:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23539; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:28:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:28:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.4e2821d.264d6ac7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:10:15 EDT Subject: THE AKASH WEBSITE To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com CC: john.petrikonis@cybertech.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"zpPTK.0.AI5.m317v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone had asked me about this site a while bk. http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A note from AKASH: This is our First Attempt at HTML & well it sorta shows. We have not found an ISP friendly to our type of full "blown conten"t. We are looking for an ISP who is both affordable & comfortable with our "proclivities". For now, AOL will do as a temp host for the AKASHMUSIC.COM site. But Stay Tuned for More AKASH Info. Warm Regards, AKASH/JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 11:21:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28478; Fri, 12 May 2000 11:21:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:21:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:11:15 EDT Subject: edp picking up noise when recording To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"_f-k2.0.Mo6.Vy17v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm picking up slight bit of noise when i press the record function on my edp. everything's clean as a bell till i press the record button any advice? thanks! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 13:51:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08407; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:51:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:51:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:45:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005121745.MAA10406@mw3.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio Resent-Message-ID: <"5RXKU.0.uw1.4D47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi Folks wanted to mention a upcoming gig that im real excited about. Robert Rich will be playin La Tuna 100 Probandt 210-224-8862 this Sat night. Robert rich has recorded with Steve Roach (SoMa) and im pretty sure DavidTorn plays on his latest record. Pseudo Buddha will play first then Robert will follow (maybe even join us for awhile) I'll be bringing out my EDP for looping my chapman stick (not something i do much as of late) and bobdog will also be looping with his EDP (all on the same rock slab) i expect a very surreal and relaxin evening of sound what little ive heard of Robert Rich's music is fantastic hope some of you can make it we start about 8:30 or so and this ones free thanks, james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 13:46:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07938; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:46:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C40B9.AF439C50@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:36:16 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dripsody/Hugh LeCaine References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227DD9@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> <006401bfbc10$a053ac40$1a46ccd1@kasinskas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y6Q0e3.0.Wf1.T-37v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Joe Kasinskas wrote: > > Actually, I just remembered that Dripsody is also available on a Naxos CD > > called "Introduction to Canadian Music." It's a 2-disc set with booklet > and, > > as usual with Naxos, it's very reasonably priced. I don't remember the > > serial number off-hand, but if anyone's interested I can find out. > > > > Also of interest is "Water Music", Tod Dockstader. Dripping water sound > source, tape studio work from the early 60's. Great (exeptionally clean) CD > on Starkland ST-201. Also on the disk is "Two Moons from Quatermass" and > "Quatermass". > > Anyone know Dockstader? A self-taught sound engineer who came up with some > great stuff. He had access to major sound studios for a while, did these > amazing pieces. i've got a dockstader vinyl from the mid-'60's: luna park, apocalyse and traveling music (owl records) absolutely mind-blowing stuff. love to find more. i guess he also worked as a film editor in hollywood (!) before heading to the east coast to be a recording engineer... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:13:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10709; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bfbc3d$3850a760$217379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:09:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"0PcDJ.0.HS2.EV47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone record it- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio >hi Folks >wanted to mention a upcoming gig that im real excited about. Robert Rich >will be playin La Tuna 100 Probandt 210-224-8862 this Sat night. Robert rich >has recorded with Steve Roach (SoMa) and im pretty sure DavidTorn plays on >his latest record. Pseudo Buddha will play first then Robert will follow >(maybe even join us for awhile) I'll be bringing out my EDP for looping my >chapman stick (not something i do much as of late) and bobdog will also be >looping with his EDP (all on the same rock slab) > >i expect a very surreal and relaxin evening of sound >what little ive heard of Robert Rich's music is fantastic >hope some of you can make it we start about 8:30 or so and this ones free > >thanks, >james > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:22:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11958; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:22:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:22:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:00:54 -0400 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200005121800.OAA16660@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio Resent-Message-ID: <"XHS54.0.zL2.eR47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw Robert Rich a few weeks ago in Philadelphia. If you go see him, you're in for a treat. Bring something to relax on like a pillow or something so as not to be distracted by your physical being. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:29:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12759; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:29:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:29:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:22:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP tutorial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"8BsNo3.0.It2.1k47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 1:31 AM -0700 5/4/00, Javier Miranda V. wrote: > >I wish Matthias would follow his own directions and start doing an EDP > >tutorial for us... Kims reaction: >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/Plhints.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tips/Tips_fromLD.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/cd1/LDCD1.htm >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/musings/posts/filtered/FeedBack.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf >http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/Museng.htm > oh, I am flatered... I should START doing a tutorial? Text or video? Shouldn't I rather create new functions (more and more in colaboration with users...) and program them? I thought about writing a new manual for the EDP (updating the one for the LOOP delay, actually), but is it worth the effort? I regret that the information is rather spread. Kim gave some good links, but there is more, and by others.... This brings me back to the compliation of the emails that I made in the beginning. and then hoped that someone else woud continue: Anyone could pick out a subject, search through the archive and colect all contributions on that subject and put them as a separate file on the site. Its some work, but easy if you are interested in searching for the info anyway. The ones I made are on the site still, but under "old mailing list archive" (which doesnt quite valorize them, huh?) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:30:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13012; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:30:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:30:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <015f01bfbb25$1bdb3c80$bb9bb8d4@oemcomputer> References: <015f01bfbb25$1bdb3c80$bb9bb8d4@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:22:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"2_HfM.0._t2.5k47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think i understand what Brian means i asked Kim the same question and that >is: can the EDP copy the length of loop 1 into loop 2 with >just one button press? the answer is unfortunately no. you need to have a >second press of RECORD to end the loop 2 where you want it to end. >I hope this is what you mean? >adios! >Luis This sounds too sad to me! The whole operation concept of the EDP is based on opening and closing functions, there is almost nothing you can do with just one press. Just imagine the number of keys (and foot switches!) necessary to access all in one hit! At least we avoided the "press two keys at once" kind of operation. If you just want to copy to the next loop with the same lenght, you use either SoundCopy or NextMultiply, both functions based on Multiply which is rounding. So to close, you dont press RECORD, but MULTIPLY again, and there is no need to press it exactly, since it rounds up to entire cycles. In turn, this allows you to start loop 2 with a multiply lengh of loop 1, which is a rather common case, since you may have a short base in loop 1 and build a song part in loop 2 and a different song part with the same base in loop 3. In other words: In case the loop you want to copy has no multiples in it, you can press the closing MULTIPLY immediately and let it round. That easy, no? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:38:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14217; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:38:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:38:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C4EAD.12CF@hevanet.com.> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:34:20 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio References: <200005121800.OAA16660@portal.studiodust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YuGMo.0.w73.yr47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like this performer is getting around - any source of info on his touring schedule? (He coming to Portland, OR?) Floyd Miller wrote: > > I saw Robert Rich a few weeks ago in Philadelphia. > If you go see him, you're in for a treat. Bring something to > relax on like a pillow or something so as not to be distracted > by your physical being. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:40:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14410; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:40:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000512182358.27329.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP undo button To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"DuoKb.0.w_2.6n47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How long a loop, how much RAM do you have? These effect how much you can undo, and whether you can undo. bret --- BCyayli@aol.com wrote: > my new edp is just out of the box....when i press > the undo button, it doesn't > always undo the last loop....if it happens to work, > when i hold the undo > button down for a long time, to undo the > next-to-last loop, nothing happens > at all...does anyone have any insights? is there > something wrong with my edp > or have i not figured out how to make it work? > signed, yet another female > looper(-to-be)....beth > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 14:40:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14421; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:40:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <391BA7CD.13617A03@earthlink.net> References: <37.50fa24c.264cdeff@aol.com> <001101bfbbcd$93fa2fc0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <391BA7CD.13617A03@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:22:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP undo button Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZaFaw2.0.ht2.3k47v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >beth asked: > > my new edp is just out of the box....when i press the undo button, it > > doesn't > > always undo the last loop....if it happens to work, when i hold the undo > > button down for a long time, to undo the next-to-last loop, nothing > > happens > > at all...does anyone have any insights? is there something wrong with my > > edp or have i not figured out how to make it work? signed, yet another > > female looper(-to-be)....beth > >lance replied: >don't know how far into the manual you've gotten, but somewhere i recall >reading that the undo function is memory-dependent; in other words, you can >undo to the limits of the memory you have left. also, reverse is unfortunately >too complex a function for the edp to be able to undo (don't know if you've >tried the reverse function out yet, but it's tres cool. check out kim's >reverse suggestions if you haven't already...) > >further. my sense is there's nothing wrong with your edp, tho :-) This is all correct, thank you Lance! But the main problem users have (including me, sometimes!): The memory is used similar to a tape loop, so we keep copying the old to the new loop while adding new overdubs etc. By pressing UNDO once, you go back one loop in history. If you overdub some sound, listen to it and decide to undo it, it already got copied to the new loop while you listened to it, so you need to press UNDO twice to erase the one that was recorded when you played and the one copied while you listened. But pressing UNDO once also makes sense: if you feel you played wrong and want to get rid of it before it ever plays back. Another effect: If you press less than necessary and the error apears again, you press UNDO again and then its still there. How could it be different? While you wait and listen whether its still there, you copy it into the new loop, so you can eternaly press UNDO once, listen to the error, press it again, listen again... Does this make sense? I agree the the UNDO thing is not quite intuitive, but if you think about these cases, you may agree that its not easy to make it better... Now we have another structure that makes it a bit more complicated: Since it does not make sense to fill up the whole memory with the same repeated loop while you dont change it, we detect whether there was a change, and if not, do what we call AutoUndo: we jump one loop back and thus keep repeating the same loop, thus saving previous versions in the memory. AutoUndo made it possible that you solo half an hour and then press UNDO twice and get rid of the last layer you played before the solo. Nice, huh? But: AutoUndo happens at the loop start point. So when you press UNDO, ist interesting to see whether AutoUndo already happened. If not, UNDO will have almost no effect, because it mostly erases the just made copy. If you press UNDO after an AutoUndo happened, the first press will do. To further simplyfy this operation (and confuse this documentation), we introduced another rounding: If you press UNDO close to the loop end, AutoUndo will happen anyway, so UNDO does what you want. So you dont have to worry whether you press UNDO shortly before or shortly after the loop start point. And there is one more point to consider: You may have done an overdub that ended just after the loop start point. For you, musically, the end of the last note may not be interesting, but the EDP noted that there was a change and does not AutoUndo (not to chop off the tail of your last note). So it may seem to you that nothing changed when you press UNDO, while in reality, it errased such (maybe inaudible) tail. So at that point we usually come back to the simple rule: press UNDO until the thing is gone. :-) Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 15:03:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16753; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:03:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C54BB.DE795231@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:00:11 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP undo button References: <37.50fa24c.264cdeff@aol.com> <001101bfbbcd$93fa2fc0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <391BA7CD.13617A03@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"72aqq1.0.Lq3.rD57v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > reverse is unfortunately too complex a function for the edp to be able to undo > (don't know if you've tried the reverse function out yet, but it's tres cool. > check out kim's reverse suggestions if you haven't already...) I always undo my reverse by hitting... Reverse! You can do this any number of times and it's very interesting to put something down, hit reverse, lay down the same part on an overdub, and hit reverse again. now you have your original part going forward and reverse. mix more overdubs and reverses and stir until your dog starts to whine... ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 17:08:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27332; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:08:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:08:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <05d101bfbc53$ffb59160$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jg7td2.0.FL6.Zx67v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The whole operation concept of the EDP is based on opening and >closing functions, there is almost nothing you can do with just one >press. This one statement significantly clarifies the operation of the EDP. It should be on the website AND in any new manual! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 17:20:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28314; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:20:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:20:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <05da01bfbc55$dd13fd20$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: OT: SAMPLE Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:05:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Buj932.0.IZ6.5877v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's an amusing tale from real life. :) As I was leaving work, I happened to glance down. There on the sidewalk was a keycap, the kind of keycap that fits a computer keyboard. I picked it up. The keycap was labeled with a single word. SAMPLE How was I to interpret this event? Was the keycap an omen? [Cue introspective music.] Does it mean I should spend more time looping? It's a message telling me to "SAMPLE"? Maybe I'm supposed to create a piece from sampled found objects? Or maybe it means that sampling is a dead-end in my personal music quest? A "control" connected to nothing! Or a new beginning!! Yes! Perhaps I was being called to search the world for a device that the keycap would fit, aka my Cinderella looping machine? Meaning that all my current hardware is inadequate and will never satisfy me? Or maybe the opposite, that I have all that I need and all I lack is the key to press, so the keycap has been given to me?.......Perhaps EVERTHING I've experienced is just a sample, and it all REALLY begins NOW! (No, wait. That would be an ENTER keycap. Good thing I didn't find a DELETE keycap!) Or maybe somebody was just throwing away some trash.... Slightly Loopy, Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 17:25:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28656; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:25:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000512210939.23001.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: RE: EDP tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3Wiug.0.Sl6.MC77v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias wrote> > oh, I am flatered... I should START doing a > tutorial? Text or video? Either would be most appreciated. Reading your description on the undo details today was really enlightening as to why undo behaves as it does. Thanks so much. > Shouldn't I rather create new functions (more and > more in > colaboration with users...) and program them? Yes, we want this too! Can I be a beta tester? > I thought about writing a new manual for the EDP > (updating the one > for the LOOP delay, actually), but is it worth the > effort? Yes, we want all of the above. The manual has many voids. > I regret that the information is rather spread. Kim > gave some good > links, but there is more, and by others.... > > This brings me back to the compliation of the emails > that I made in > the beginning. and then hoped that someone else woud > continue: > Anyone could pick out a subject, search through the > archive and > colect all contributions on that subject and put > them as a separate > file on the site. Its some work, but easy if you are > interested in > searching for the info anyway. > The ones I made are on the site still, but under > "old mailing list > archive" (which doesnt quite valorize them, huh?) > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org This sounds good, but no one knows or conveys the inner works of this wonderful box as detailed and accurate as you and Kim. I have tended to find modes of operating the edp that I understand, and that fit within our way of creating music, but this leaves much of the edp unexplored. thanks, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 17:08:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27333; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:08:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <05c601bfbc53$a3ef7530$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP undo button Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:50:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Cq78e2.0.0I6.Fv67v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ahh, the mysteries of UNDO! Thanks for a complete explanation, Matthias! But I think I'll keep doing what I do now. Keep hitting UNDO until it's gone! BTW: Here's an idea for another way that UNDO could work (I'm sure you've thought of MANY ways): Rather than building a lot of intelligence into UNDO and making it controlled by where the loop is, how about making it controlled purely by button pushes? For example, you "open" an overdub by pressing OVERDUB, add stuff to the loop, and "close" the OVERDUB (probably by pressing OVERDUB again). Now, UNDO undoes the entire OVERDUB session, regardless of how many times the loop went around while you were overdubbing. Easy to explain and easy to predict what's going to happen when you hit UNDO. Perhaps this could be an optional UNDO mode? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 20:13:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07785; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:13:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bfbc6d$cd5f5f60$6a87abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: Roland Rack Mixer Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:57:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBC7E.9038B580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"wqxMp2.0.sW1.kY97v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBC7E.9038B580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen a Roland Rck mixer (1 Unity) used. I think to remember it has 6 or 8 inputs with aux effect (2 or three = loops). Has anyone tried one of these? How do they sound? Thanks,=20 Luca. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBC7E.9038B580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have seen a Roland Rck mixer (1 = Unity)=20 used.
I think to remember it has 6 or 8 = inputs with aux=20 effect (2 or three loops).
Has anyone tried one of = these?
How do they sound?
Thanks,
Luca.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFBC7E.9038B580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 20:43:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10032; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:43:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C5BB6.D4F31114@texas.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:30:00 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Cool Mixer - Cheap Price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yBShA1.0.1C2.A6A7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey loopists - check it out: i found one of these gathering dust where i work http://www.krazykatmusic.com 210.737.0523 kawai mx8sr line mixer, the one that was mentioned here a coupla days ago or so. 16 (8 stereo) inputs, 2 aux sends (1 stereo, 1 mono), 2 stereo aux returns, 2 of the inputs are line & mic level, takes up 2 rack spaces, & it's in good shape. we've got it tagged $159 & shipping would be around $10-15. if'n you're interested let me know... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 21:09:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12180; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:09:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:01:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Roland Rack Mixer From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01bfbc6d$cd5f5f60$6a87abd4@h2v6p1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N5IBS1.0.xh2.ZYA7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use a Roland M-120 Line mixer. It has 12 inputs, each with 2 effect sends. I use it to combine the sounds from my Roland GR-30 guitar synth, and my Boss GT-3 guitar effects, plus various tape and cd players. It is OK for most home applications. But I would say it is not good for studio recording. It adds a bit of a hiss to the sound. I do not use the mixer in live performance, just at home. I hope to add an EDP to my rack soon! I will then send everything thru that. ______________________________________ Doug Miller Illustrator/graphic designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > I have seen a Roland Rck mixer (1 Unity) used. > I think to remember it has 6 or 8 inputs with aux effect (2 or three loops). > Has anyone tried one of these? > How do they sound? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 21:12:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12325; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:12:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:12:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C62AF.2535C62@texas.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:59:50 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: THE AKASH WEBSITE References: <9b.4e2821d.264d6ac7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UThM32.0.pg2.2YA7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com well, from the looks of things, you'll get a bigger audience then i get. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 21:09:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12144; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:09:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391C615E.ADB64794@texas.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:54:12 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, david auker , Floyd Miller , "Clifford@BienAppraisers" Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio References: <200005121800.OAA16660@portal.studiodust.com> <391C4EAD.12CF@hevanet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CsxcU3.0.Zb2.oSA7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy - > Sounds like this performer is getting around - any source of info on his > touring schedule? (He coming to Portland, OR?) look's like the closest robert gets to you is big sur, ca on sunday may 21; looks like a cool show robert's site is http://www.amoeba.com/rrframeset.html concert dates at at http://www.amoeba.com/rrconcerts.html > Someone record it- i will, so maybe i can send a copy your way... > I saw Robert Rich a few weeks ago in Philadelphia. > If you go see him, you're in for a treat. Bring something to > relax on like a pillow or something so as not to be distracted > by your physical being. i was thinking vicadin & cheap wine (i do have to play, you know...) we're really looking forward to this show; robert mastered our cd & he had me play one of my weirdo instrument on his upcoming amoeba cd. his music is super fine & quite hypnotic, i just hope that we can be mellow enough to match the mood. bobdog http://www.pseudobuddha.com > >hi Folks > >wanted to mention a upcoming gig that im real excited about. Robert Rich > > >will be playin La Tuna 100 Probandt 210-224-8862 this Sat night. Robert > rich > >has recorded with Steve Roach (SoMa) and im pretty sure DavidTorn plays > on > >his latest record. Pseudo Buddha will play first then Robert will follow > > >(maybe even join us for awhile) I'll be bringing out my EDP for looping > my > >chapman stick (not something i do much as of late) and bobdog will also > be > >looping with his EDP (all on the same rock slab) > > > >i expect a very surreal and relaxin evening of sound > >what little ive heard of Robert Rich's music is fantastic > >hope some of you can make it we start about 8:30 or so and this ones > free > > > >thanks, > >james > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 21:13:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12395; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:13:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000512211212.007b4870@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:12:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: OT: Steinberger Adapter In-Reply-To: <000a01bfbc6d$cd5f5f60$6a87abd4@h2v6p1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kKBpy3.0.sy2.wiA7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Off topic to be sure, but since the guitars of choice amongst loopers often are without headstocks, I'm wondering if any of you has tried the Steinberger adapter that allows one to use regular single ball-end strings. (It may be seen at on the Steinberger page, although MusicYo seems to be out of stock on the 6 string version right now.) While I'm happy with the way my Steiny works and stays in tune, I occasionally break high E's, and have found myself stuck with an increasing number of E-less string sets. Also, I'd like to use a heavier gauge than I can normally get with double ball-ends, so if this adapter thing works, it may be worth checking out. However, if it presents tuning problems, tone suckage or similar negatives, I'd rather avoid it. If any of you have tried the adapter and have an opinion about it one way or the other, I'd like to hear from you. But please respond off-list; I wouldn't want to start another brouhaha like last year's Elixir thread! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 21:52:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15583; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:52:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP tutorial Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:50:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"rOxs12.0.tl3.QJB7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias said: > > This brings me back to the compliation of the emails that I made in > the beginning. and then hoped that someone else woud continue: > Anyone could pick out a subject, search through the archive and > colect all contributions on that subject and put them as a separate > file on the site. Its some work, but easy if you are interested in > searching for the info anyway. > The ones I made are on the site still, but under "old mailing list > archive" (which doesnt quite valorize them, huh?) > actually, I moved them to a more prominent spot. You'll find them in the "musings" section of the site, under "interesting post series": http://www.annihilist.com/loop/musings/musings.html also, I would love it if people contributed more to this project. Nobody has added anything for a few years, and surely somebody has posted something interesting since then. ;-) kim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 12 22:34:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18327; Fri, 12 May 2000 22:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:30:36 EDT Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"j8DCa3.0.qR4.qvB7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/12/00 2:30:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > >I think i understand what Brian means i asked Kim the same question and that > >is: can the EDP copy the length of loop 1 into loop 2 with > >just one button press? the answer is unfortunately no. you need to have a > >second press of RECORD to end the loop 2 where you want it to end. > >I hope this is what you mean? > >adios! > >Luis > > This sounds too sad to me! > > The whole operation concept of the EDP is based on opening and > closing functions, there is almost nothing you can do with just one > press. Just imagine the number of keys (and foot switches!) necessary > to access all in one hit! > At least we avoided the "press two keys at once" kind of operation. > i don't feel it sad at all.......some of are jamman users that recently just got a hold of a edp and are trying to get the edp to react like the jamman(for now).........my jamman set up is rigged so ALL functions are engaged with ONE press of a button...........granted the edp has MANY more feature than the jamman.........so it's off to my room to continue to decipher this sucker they call the edp brian ebnoise From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 00:01:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24232; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:01:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.5679ca2.264e2982@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:44:02 EDT Subject: Fwd: High E troubles To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_4c.5679ca2.264e2982_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Crrk2.0.Ib5.k-C7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --part1_4c.5679ca2.264e2982_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_4c.5679ca2.264e2982_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: THusken@aol.com Full-name: THusken Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:38:25 EDT Subject: High E troubles To: Loopers-Delight@annihilst.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 It was interesting reading Tims message about the string adapter for "headless" guitars. I have a Klein and I too have collected a large supply of strings minus the high E - and I am using a heavier gauge to begin with (010-046). Is this a common problem with this hardware? I've got a Trans-Trem and have given up all together the idea of transposing up due to the fear of suddenly losing an eyeball from a renegade E string! -and on another 'non looping' gear question. Does anyone out there know of a way I could pick up an ADA MP-2 preamp? I'm using one now and think it's great but have heard that they are as good as scrap metal should they crap out due to company specific software that is no longer available since the company unfortunately bit the dust. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --part1_4c.5679ca2.264e2982_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 00:21:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27824; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000513040638.3083.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: SAMPLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SXr4l1.0.-z5.IJD7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Far out man! I found one too! My fortune reads as follows..... Num Lock Rats! John --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Here's an amusing tale from real life. :) > > As I was leaving work, I happened to glance down. > There on the sidewalk was a > keycap, the kind of keycap that fits a computer > keyboard. I picked it up. The > keycap was labeled with a single word. > > SAMPLE > > How was I to interpret this event? > > Was the keycap an omen? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 08:27:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24674; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:27:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015f01bfbcd1$342526e0$1ed99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Yamaha foot controller Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:34:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"bT1un1.0.xw5.7YK7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello there, I know somebody has the yamaha mfc 10 foot controller but i lost your adress. could you tell me if the mfc 10 can send midi comands to different midi channels at the same time? for example GP 100 preamp program 1, digitech program 10, GR 1 program 15 all of this commands at the same time with the touch of one button? I hope you are outhere! thanks L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 12:42:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09411; Sat, 13 May 2000 12:42:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:42:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SONZOO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:36:39 EDT Subject: Re: edp rudimentary set up? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"nGTn_2.0.MD2.YIO7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 13:26:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12835; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:26:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005f01bfbcfd$99a8fd80$2989bcd4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: Faulty Rec' Button (EDP Footpedal) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ekk-_2.0._p2.bkO7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My new Gibson EDP arrived a few days ago ("Hooray!") but I appear to have a problem with the footpedal ("Boo!") It usually takes several taps of the Record button before I get a response, and sometimes it will then result in a double-press. Not very useful, especially when playing rhythmic loops. (BTW, I haven't been stomping on it!) Is this a common problem? I seem to recall that there were several posts last month about various problems with the new machines... Can it be easily repaired? Naturally a home fix-it job would be preferable as I'd rather not send my new equipment away so soon. Apart from this annoyance I've been having a whale of a time with my new 'plex :-) Cheers, Lee Fletcher http://www.fletchertronics.f2s.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 14:33:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17063; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:33:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfbd07$266a88c0$724d55d8@tgoodman> From: tgoodman@zebra.net (Terry Goodman) To: Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFBCDD.3CCB1640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-5r6D1.0.yt3.-kP7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFBCDD.3CCB1640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could someone tell me a dealer for the Oberheim Echoplex in the US? = Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFBCDD.3CCB1640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could someone tell me a dealer for the Oberheim = Echoplex in=20 the US?  Thanks.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFBCDD.3CCB1640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 15:46:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21321; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:46:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007f01bfbd13$e0d44820$b6ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KMDDU2.0.B95.p1R7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio >I saw Robert Rich a few weeks ago in Philadelphia. >If you go see him, you're in for a treat. I was there, too. We should meet at a future Gathering. For those going to see RR & Pseudo Buddha, tell them I say hi. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 15:51:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21752; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:51:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008801bfbd14$7c9999e0$b6ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zqCmy3.0.nE5.u5R7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: david auker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Robert Rich & Pseudo Buddha gig 5/13/00 San Antonio >Sounds like this performer is getting around - any source of info on his >touring schedule? (He coming to Portland, OR?) I dug out some old email and edited out the shows that have alread taken place. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. News from Robert Rich ---------------------------- * Robert's Spring Tour continues The concerts in the Netherlands, Italy, and Philadelphia went very well. The second half of Robert's tour begins on April 28. The San Francisco concert, originally scheduled for April 22, has been postponed due to building renovations. Tentative new date is May 27. Contact the following address for rescheduling info:(415) 292-5556-608, shawn@pangeamusic.com The following dates are confirmed. Check Robert's website (http://www.amoeba.com) for the latest news. Saturday, May 13 - San Antonio TX La Tuna, 9:00 PM 100 S. Probandt Admission: Free Also playing: PseudoBuddha Wednesday, May 17 - Durango, CO Barefoot Dance Studio 1301 Florida Rd. 81301 7:30 PM, $10 admission info: 970-382-3829, 970-385-3702 http:// www.alteredstate.org Saturday, May 20 - Orange County, CA Shamballa 3 more information: www.peachfuzz.net/shamballa Sunday, May 21 - Big Sur, CA Big Sur Experimental Music Festival Henry Miller Library, Highway 1 Robert starts at ~3:00 PM Info: (831) 667-2574 Also playing: Fred Frith, others, all weekend The following is a tentative rescheduling: Saturday, May 27 - San Francisco New Avalon Ballroom, 827 Hyde St. Contact the following address to make sure it's happening: Info, tickets: (415) 292-5556-608, shawn@pangeamusic.com ---------------- You can order signed copies of Robert Rich titles from the Petri Dish, at http://www.amoeba.com ========================================================== Soundscape / Amoeba P.O. Box 1471 Mountain View, CA 94042 http://www.amoeba.com ------------------------------------------------------- Robert Rich / Soundscape Productions / Amoeba Music P.O. Box 1471 glurp@amoeba.com Mountain View, CA 94042 USA http://www.amoeba.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:25:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24256; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:25:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:25:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: bar music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lq3eB3.0.pn5.ucR7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recent thirst for knowledge about use of functions for looping makes me think that with the following kind of post, we can stimulate each other and inform in a more relaxed and practical way about technical things. An old friend asked me to play in a culture bar he recently opened, so I could not say no as I usualy do since I find a silent ambient necessary for the music to evolve. And here in Salvador its so humid and alive that you hardly can use carpet and foam, and people have strong voices. So there is no way to play over the noise, the louder you play the louder they speak. But music is usefull anyway and live is allways better and I had fun, yesterday: In the afternoon I programmed my first funny patterns into the HR16 drum and took it along in the evening. I connected it as slave and put the EDP to Sync=Out. I discovered the folowing ways: The groovy way: Select a drum pattern and hit RECORD twice at a speed you feel in the air ;-). Probably 8 or 16 8th/beat for a loop of 1,5...4 seconds. Listen to the drum. If that pattern sounds horrible at that speed, select another. Soon lay down a base with OVERDUB or rather MULTIPLY. Keep it simple because complex overlaying will not be audible and increase the ambient noise. Then melody and/or solo. Catch the eventual eyes looking at you and talk with them through the instrument. Use distortion or brass sounds because they are clearly audible in the noise, even at a non disturbing volume. The romantic way: Mute the drum and start the song with a sequence of harmonies and overdub a bass and maybe a short crying note (like a brass chord...) at the end of the loop. Try to find how many bars you played and calculate the 8th/beat necessary. Or be courageous and guess 32 and open the drums a bit. If it sounds horrible, change 8th/beat. Grow a bit with some intro melody and then fade the drums in or grow some more and bring it up as a surprise. Combined: Set to 8 8th/beat, mute the drum and record a short loop with some marking (but harmonically not defining) noise in it. Or set the drum to mark discretely. Then Multiply the harmony sequence over the marking noise. It becomes more acurate and you can play any number of bars of harmonies without disturbing the drums. Now here is what I want: A drum machine that has a tap for tempo and adjust it to the MIDIclock coming in. And before I tap, its silent. Just like a MIDI EDP, once again :-) At some stage you can overdub a lot and throw in a lot of reverb to simply drown the room, chop a short part with MULTIPLY-RECORD and end up in some penetrating effect queeks that spill over into a big bassy harmonic wave of sea that calmes down. There is a chance that the listeners pay atention for the next minute, so thats when you can really send your message... ;-) A traditional trick to get atention is to break (no, not that bar, not for a drink, you are in a bar :-) and then continue with impact. But to me it sounds old fashioned, not flowing. I turned out pretty rocky for ambient music... Case someone wants to hear the result: I taped it but its horrible, I wont show it to anyone. I had almost the same bad listening condictions as the public, which is usefull to create the correct sound mix and find an understandable way of expression. But then, on the recording, you hear all the unwanted noises and inacuracies, so forget that. Some list members must have a lot more experience whith all this, so tell us! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:38:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25100; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:36:07 EDT Subject: Question about RAM in the new EDP's. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"395RX2.0.z56.QpR7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, all, My EDP just made it in on Thursday afternoon, and thus far no issues (sounds of a woodpecker can be heard in the foreground) but I do have a question... Is the memory boarder still, 16MB's total? Can we drop in SIMM's which are a bit larger? Pretty much, looking to create a larger swap space for multiple UNDO's just in case things get too funky. Thanks again, and yes, this is driving me loopey, especially the reverse function, now if only I could suss out speed changes of the loop I'm playing back... Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:39:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25153; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:39:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000512210939.23001.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> References: <20000512210939.23001.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:35:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP tutorial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"IWatG3.0.A16.mlR7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret wants a video, a new manual, new software...: >Yes, we want all of the above. Since some people want my music, too, I am somewhat overcharged. But not stressed as in the first phase of development. I pretty much gave up the family idea, but I cannot go on treating health as I used to do... At least it seams that I can survive with the loop thing in the future, so I can concentrate on it. Still, it would be great to share some work to make it all happen. > > I regret that the information is rather spread. Kim >> gave some good >> links, but there is more, and by others.... >> >> This brings me back to the compliation of the emails >> that I made in >> the beginning. and then hoped that someone else woud >> continue: >> Anyone could pick out a subject, search through the >> archive and >> colect all contributions on that subject and put >> them as a separate >> file on the site. Its some work, but easy if you are >> interested in > > searching for the info anyway. > >This sounds good, but no one knows or conveys the >inner works of this wonderful box as detailed and >accurate as you and Kim. nice... but why "but"? We both wrote a lot in all those mails, so you can recuperate, condense and republish! >I have tended to find modes >of operating the edp that I understand, and that fit >within our way of creating music, but this leaves much >of the edp unexplored. I am not shure how far the mentalizing of the inner functions will enhance the music in the end (corresponding to my rejection to know about the scales I play). There is no need to explore a machine totally. We had several discussions here about it. But it should be the users decision to study or not, so I agree that all information should be available. And it is, the question is just: how easy? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:46:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26019; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:46:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:46:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:46:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Question about RAM in the new EDP's. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"IisFq3.0.9F6.svR7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Is the memory boarder still, 16MB's total? Can we drop in >SIMM's which are a bit larger? Pretty much, looking to create a larger swap >space for multiple UNDO's just in case things get too funky. > No, its a limit of the processor. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:52:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26705; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:52:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:52:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <05c601bfbc53$a3ef7530$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <05c601bfbc53$a3ef7530$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:42:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP undo button Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"2E_pO2.0.5A6.5tR7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis: >Here's an idea for another way that UNDO could work (I'm sure you've >thought of MANY ways): > >Rather than building a lot of intelligence into UNDO and making it >controlled by >where the loop is, how about making it controlled purely by button >pushes? For >example, you "open" an overdub by pressing OVERDUB, add stuff to the loop, and >"close" the OVERDUB (probably by pressing OVERDUB again). Now, UNDO >undoes the >entire OVERDUB session, regardless of how many times the loop went >around while >you were overdubbing. Easy to explain and easy to predict what's going to >happen when you hit UNDO. Perhaps this could be an optional UNDO mode? That would be a nice additional mode (impossible in the actual soft structure). But I still want the old one because pretty often I leave a big part of an overdub and just chop off the last wrong note when the loop is back there. In order not to destroy the timing undo obviously needs to jump back entire loops. But Overdubs can be of any lenght, you can have two in one loop length. So your way probably would again create some confusion for the user... Thanks for the contribution, we will get there! Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 13 16:53:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26759; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 16:53:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005132047.PAA02692@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: new echoplex page Resent-Message-ID: <"E-tiI3.0.VR6.J-R7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there something like an official website for the NEW EDP??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 04:27:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08988; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 04:27:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:23:24 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Faulty Rec' Button (EDP Footpedal) In-reply-to: <005f01bfbcfd$99a8fd80$2989bcd4@oemcomputer> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-cc3_2.0.Z82.tBc7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can replace it easily with any momentary switch. (make sure it has a good feel for you.) the exact switch can be bought from http://www.mouser.com. (I don't know the part number, sorry.) kim At 10:06 AM -0700 5/13/00, Lee Fletcher wrote: >My new Gibson EDP arrived a few days ago ("Hooray!") but I appear to have a >problem with the footpedal ("Boo!") It usually takes several taps of the >Record button before I get a response, and sometimes it will then result in >a double-press. Not very useful, especially when playing rhythmic loops. >(BTW, I haven't been stomping on it!) > >Is this a common problem? I seem to recall that there were several posts >last month about various problems with the new machines... Can it be easily >repaired? Naturally a home fix-it job would be preferable as I'd rather not >send my new equipment away so soon. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 04:27:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08987; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:27:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 04:27:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:17:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP tutorial In-reply-to: <20000512210939.23001.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"03gNa.0.e52.p8c7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:09 PM -0700 5/12/00, Bret wrote: >> I thought about writing a new manual for the EDP >> (updating the one >> for the LOOP delay, actually), but is it worth the >> effort? > >Yes, we want all of the above. The manual has many >voids. I think it's not that the manual is lacking, so much as people expect it to be much more than a manual. You want something to teach you to play the instrument. A manual simply tells you what each button does... You want teachers, and that is much of why this list exists. You can all share and teach each other. >This sounds good, but no one knows or conveys the >inner works of this wonderful box as detailed and >accurate as you and Kim. I have tended to find modes >of operating the edp that I understand, and that fit >within our way of creating music, but this leaves much >of the edp unexplored. that's very kind of you to say. But how about tell us your way of understanding it? Perhaps that way makes sense for others as well, and serves to help them learn. Share your ideas! Matthias' and my way of understanding and describing is certainly not the only way. Hell, we don't even agree with each other half the time. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 04:30:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09148; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 04:30:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:20:01 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new echoplex page In-reply-to: <200005132047.PAA02692@servidor.unam.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sjvq-.0.TB2.RDc7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:47 PM -0700 5/13/00, Andy Soto wrote: > Is there something like an official website for the NEW EDP??? Gibson sends everybody to Looper's Delight. :-) besides, there is nothing new about the echoplex, it's the same it's been for years. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 05:09:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11745; Sun, 14 May 2000 05:09:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 05:09:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006b01bfbd7f$75e4fa20$82d89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: bar music Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:35:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"NNtlM1.0.hq2.Spc7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hallo Matthias, What i would like to know is if i could still increase the gain structure of the EDP. I´ve allready done the modifications Kim gave me changing the resistors but i still get this horrible orange digital distortion at times although i´ve turned down the input .I am using preamps and guitar synths so its quite hard to turn everything down just to satisfy the sensible gain of the EDP. It takes away a bit of the punch of some of my presets.Another question is whats the best way to dump the loops from the EDP?Do you really use the midi dump function? it takes a life time! Do i have to use a special cable to dump them into my mini disc? I don´t have a sequencer. thanks a lot! L.A. > Recent thirst for knowledge about use of functions for looping makes > me think that with the following kind of post, we can stimulate each > other and inform in a more relaxed and practical way about technical > things. > > > An old friend asked me to play in a culture bar he recently opened, > so I could not say no as I usualy do since I find a silent ambient > necessary for the music to evolve. And here in Salvador its so humid > and alive that you hardly can use carpet and foam, and people have > strong voices. So there is no way to play over the noise, the louder > you play the louder they speak. > But music is usefull anyway and live is allways better and I had fun, > yesterday: > > In the afternoon I programmed my first funny patterns into the HR16 > drum and took it along in the evening. > I connected it as slave and put the EDP to Sync=Out. > I discovered the folowing ways: > > The groovy way: > Select a drum pattern and hit RECORD twice at a speed you feel in the air ;-). > Probably 8 or 16 8th/beat for a loop of 1,5...4 seconds. > Listen to the drum. If that pattern sounds horrible at that speed, > select another. > Soon lay down a base with OVERDUB or rather MULTIPLY. > Keep it simple because complex overlaying will not be audible and > increase the ambient noise. > Then melody and/or solo. Catch the eventual eyes looking at you and > talk with them through the instrument. Use distortion or brass sounds > because they are clearly audible in the noise, even at a non > disturbing volume. > > The romantic way: > Mute the drum and start the song with a sequence of harmonies and > overdub a bass and maybe a short crying note (like a brass chord...) > at the end of the loop. Try to find how many bars you played and > calculate the 8th/beat necessary. Or be courageous and guess 32 and > open the drums a bit. If it sounds horrible, change 8th/beat. Grow a > bit with some intro melody and then fade the drums in or grow some > more and bring it up as a surprise. > > Combined: > Set to 8 8th/beat, mute the drum and record a short loop with some > marking (but harmonically not defining) noise in it. Or set the drum > to mark discretely. Then Multiply the harmony sequence over the > marking noise. It becomes more acurate and you can play any number of > bars of harmonies without disturbing the drums. > > Now here is what I want: > A drum machine that has a tap for tempo and adjust it to the > MIDIclock coming in. > And before I tap, its silent. Just like a MIDI EDP, once again :-) > > > > At some stage you can overdub a lot and throw in a lot of reverb to > simply drown the room, chop a short part with MULTIPLY-RECORD and end > up in some penetrating effect queeks that spill over into a big bassy > harmonic wave of sea that calmes down. There is a chance that the > listeners pay atention for the next minute, so thats when you can > really send your message... ;-) > > A traditional trick to get atention is to break (no, not that bar, > not for a drink, you are in a bar :-) and then continue with impact. > But to me it sounds old fashioned, not flowing. > > I turned out pretty rocky for ambient music... > Case someone wants to hear the result: I taped it but its horrible, I > wont show it to anyone. I had almost the same bad listening > condictions as the public, which is usefull to create the correct > sound mix and find an understandable way of expression. But then, on > the recording, you hear all the unwanted noises and inacuracies, so > forget that. > > > > Some list members must have a lot more experience whith all this, so tell us! > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 10:50:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31372; Sun, 14 May 2000 10:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009a01bfbdb3$95c3dc60$4d601840@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Looping Therapy Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:48:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"qKLEq2.0.4d7.Ooh7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As I observe the direction of our discussions, it seems like majority of loopers (male loopers) essentially does entertainment stuff: live performances, home experiments, etc. And I wonder if there are some who would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can be long. Any ideas, experiences, thoughts? petr pepetr@crnet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 11:47:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02658; Sun, 14 May 2000 11:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:47:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:05:24 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Therapy In-Reply-To: <009a01bfbdb3$95c3dc60$4d601840@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"edjck1.0.YX.ndi7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sun, 14 May 2000, Petr Dolak wrote: >And I wonder if there are some who > would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in > therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping > could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many > many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can > be long. Beyond normal performance applications, I use experimental looped music in creating a proper ritual environment for various purposes and Western hermetic magick paradigms, or for those familiar with his work, in the sigilization techniques of AO Spare. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo mp3s http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 13:13:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08091; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:13:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:13:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jeffsg4255@aol.com Message-ID: <99.4cb648e.26503637@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:02:47 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"7Xs423.0.fl1.Rnj7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com gimme a break!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 14:03:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11388; Sun, 14 May 2000 14:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:03:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bfbdcd$a9454de0$8532dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <009a01bfbdb3$95c3dc60$4d601840@computer> Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:55:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"3hpz_2.0.if2.OZk7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sure a lot of us here have mates/etc. that are at times glad that we are into looping material, if only because it keeps us out of their hair for a part of the day! Whose therapy is that, eh? Seriously though, my most positive listener feedback has been from cancer, cardiac, and terminal patients. I don't know that they like the looping or are even aware of it functionally - more often the comments have to do with "no sharp edges" to interrupt the kind of meditation only practiced by those who have overcome most effects of morphine and other severe pain killers. In this case the slightest nudge, physically or sonically, can do this and do more than ruin their day. While one might make jokes (and I have occasionally) about "music to die to," it does bring one to think seriously about the impact one has in the world, especially on the individual level. I am at least gratified beyond my original belief, and thankful that I can continue in this manner. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios "Petr Dolak" put forth: > As I observe the direction of our discussions, it seems like majority of > loopers (male loopers) essentially does entertainment stuff: live > performances, home experiments, etc. And I wonder if there are some who > would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in > therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping > could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many > many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can > be long. > > Any ideas, experiences, thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 13:58:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11074; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:58:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:55:56 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"xDfad2.0.Hf2.IZk7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Give a break...well I think the question has merit. I am a psychotherapist in private practice and the whole field of music therapy is fascinating.. sure there is a lot of cosmic foo-foo but the ability of the brain to entrain with rhythm and repetition and tone is is seriously studied. I am a musician and have been looping for some time. I first got a boomerang and then became aware of the EDP. I also us Polar in Digital Performer....I am in a learning curve in how to put a studio together....I have all the gear but am learning how to make it easy and efficient. I am interested in producing CDs individualized for some clients. anyone else exploring this area? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 15:28:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29428; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:28:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:28:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391F74D3.2CC8B49C@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:53:55 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LtIoJ1.0.Qn3.Nbl7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey did any of yu tried Mathias'sss DIY EDP-----Vortex cable I did Its VERY ..... Na I won't tell.... try it Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 16:32:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07439; Sun, 14 May 2000 16:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:32:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:26:48 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"xuJw62.0.uO.imm7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/14/2000 2:03:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > I'm sure a lot of us here have mates/etc. that are at times glad that we are > into looping material, if only because it keeps us out of their hair for a > part of the day! Whose therapy is that, eh? > I agree.............but the other side of the coin is it sure therapy for me to go get lost in the studio.........hey where is Dad?.............oh yeah he's taking some time out! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 17:00:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23355; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:00:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: anti:clockwise west coast tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"X24KA.0.Vq4.cBn7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the anti:clockwise "western swing" has been expanded by a factor of 1! happy to announce addition of seattle show on tues, 5/23, at: mr spot's chai house 2213 nw market st (in ballard) also appearing on this occasion, the loop-list's own intonumori the show starts at 7. rest of a:c itin as before: weds 5/24 - milk bar, portland or fri 5/26 - kimos - polk st, sfo sat 5/27 - live radio over kfjc - 2pm, (and still waiting to hear about san jose) over n out a:c From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 18:12:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08282; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:12:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:12:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bfbdf0$dec7cce0$fcee0cd1@tgoodman> From: tgoodman@zebra.net (Terry Goodman) To: Subject: Opinions On A Loop Sampler Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:08:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFBDC6.F5285A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dhy1w.0.6i.ZFo7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFBDC6.F5285A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, I just stumbled across the web site and news group a couple of days ago = and have learned tons. Thanks. I want to get into looping. I am a guitarist with 30 years of playing = and am primarily looking for a box to jam with at home and maybe do some = recording (I have a Roland VS1680). I've been reading the info on the = web site and I think I've narrowed my choice down to the Boomerang or = the EDP. I'm leaning toward the EDP, but my pocket book is saying = Boomerang. Some negative opinions I've read about the sound quality of = the Boomerang have me hesitating, however. I play a lot with headphones = so low noise is important. =20 I know you've asked thousands of times, but could some of you please = give me some opinions on the above? =20 Thanks in advance, Terry ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFBDC6.F5285A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone,
 
I just stumbled across the web site and news group a = couple of=20 days ago and have learned tons.  Thanks.
 
I want to get into looping.  I am a = guitarist with=20 30 years of playing and am primarily looking for a box to jam with at = home and=20 maybe do some recording (I have a Roland VS1680).  I've been = reading the=20 info on the web site and I think I've narrowed my choice down to the = Boomerang=20 or the EDP.  I'm leaning toward the EDP, but my pocket book is = saying=20 Boomerang.  Some negative opinions I've read about the sound = quality of the=20 Boomerang have me hesitating, however.  I play a lot with = headphones=20 so low noise is important.  
 
I know you've asked thousands of times, but could = some of you=20 please give me some opinions on the above? 
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Terry
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BFBDC6.F5285A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 21:19:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16035; Sun, 14 May 2000 21:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:19:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bfbe99$ff4be1a0$548909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <009a01bfbdb3$95c3dc60$4d601840@computer> Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:18:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"9oTHR.0.ys2.8_q7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thats a cool thought. But most of the comments I get from gigs are, after they hear me they feel like they need therapy. he he.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Petr Dolak To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: Looping Therapy > As I observe the direction of our discussions, it seems like majority of > loopers (male loopers) essentially does entertainment stuff: live > performances, home experiments, etc. And I wonder if there are some who > would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in > therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping > could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many > many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can > be long. > > Any ideas, experiences, thoughts? > > petr > pepetr@crnet.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 22:42:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13265; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:42:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391F62DA.7400EFE7@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:37:15 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> <391F74D3.2CC8B49C@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DT9rC2.0.xK2.6Cs7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Claude voit wrote: > Na I won't tell.... OH DO TELL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 22:42:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13333; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:42:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <391F6340.B66D9F5C@inreach.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:38:56 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> <391F74D3.2CC8B49C@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D2TJf2.0.5Z2.5Ds7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Claude voit wrote: > Na I won't tell.... OH DO TELL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 22:52:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17272; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515023228.6102.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: bar music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"fSHy_3.0.gu.47s7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, I realize that you asked Matthias, not me, but I have some experience with edps, before and after input/output gain mods. If horrible orange distortion is the problem only at "times", then the gain structure is not your problem. The edp is most likely to overload with that nasty distortion with too much high frequency content on the input. The edp has high frequency pre-emphasis on the input, and de-emphasis on the output to improve the s/n. Be careful with the levels of broad high freq sounds like cymbals, and synth patches extremely rich in high freq overtones, etc. These can overload the codec before the led indicates too much signal. It takes a bit of practice to get the input just right, and certainly will vary with different input sources. You can't trust just your eyes (on the input led), you have to record and listen to the playback to calibrate yourself to how much signal is correct. bret --- Luis Angulo wrote: > Hallo Matthias, > What i would like to know is if i could still > increase the gain structure of > the EDP. I´ve allready done the modifications Kim > gave me changing the > resistors but i still get this horrible orange > digital distortion at times > although i´ve turned down the input .I am using > preamps and guitar synths so > its quite hard to turn everything down just to > satisfy the sensible gain of > the EDP. It takes away a bit of the punch of some of > my presets.Another > question is whats the best way to dump the loops > from the EDP?Do you really > use the midi dump function? it takes a life time! Do > i have to use a special > cable to dump them into my mini disc? I don´t have a > sequencer. > thanks a lot! > > > > > > > > > > > > L.A. > > Recent thirst for knowledge about use of functions > for looping makes > > me think that with the following kind of post, we > can stimulate each > > other and inform in a more relaxed and practical > way about technical > > things. > > > > > > An old friend asked me to play in a culture bar he > recently opened, > > so I could not say no as I usualy do since I find > a silent ambient > > necessary for the music to evolve. And here in > Salvador its so humid > > and alive that you hardly can use carpet and foam, > and people have > > strong voices. So there is no way to play over the > noise, the louder > > you play the louder they speak. > > But music is usefull anyway and live is allways > better and I had fun, > > yesterday: > > > > In the afternoon I programmed my first funny > patterns into the HR16 > > drum and took it along in the evening. > > I connected it as slave and put the EDP to > Sync=Out. > > I discovered the folowing ways: > > > > The groovy way: > > Select a drum pattern and hit RECORD twice at a > speed you feel in the air > ;-). > > Probably 8 or 16 8th/beat for a loop of 1,5...4 > seconds. > > Listen to the drum. If that pattern sounds > horrible at that speed, > > select another. > > Soon lay down a base with OVERDUB or rather > MULTIPLY. > > Keep it simple because complex overlaying will not > be audible and > > increase the ambient noise. > > Then melody and/or solo. Catch the eventual eyes > looking at you and > > talk with them through the instrument. Use > distortion or brass sounds > > because they are clearly audible in the noise, > even at a non > > disturbing volume. > > > > The romantic way: > > Mute the drum and start the song with a sequence > of harmonies and > > overdub a bass and maybe a short crying note (like > a brass chord...) > > at the end of the loop. Try to find how many bars > you played and > > calculate the 8th/beat necessary. Or be courageous > and guess 32 and > > open the drums a bit. If it sounds horrible, > change 8th/beat. Grow a > > bit with some intro melody and then fade the drums > in or grow some > > more and bring it up as a surprise. > > > > Combined: > > Set to 8 8th/beat, mute the drum and record a > short loop with some > > marking (but harmonically not defining) noise in > it. Or set the drum > > to mark discretely. Then Multiply the harmony > sequence over the > > marking noise. It becomes more acurate and you can > play any number of > > bars of harmonies without disturbing the drums. > > > > Now here is what I want: > > A drum machine that has a tap for tempo and adjust > it to the > > MIDIclock coming in. > > And before I tap, its silent. Just like a MIDI > EDP, once again :-) > > > > > > > > At some stage you can overdub a lot and throw in a > lot of reverb to > > simply drown the room, chop a short part with > MULTIPLY-RECORD and end > > up in some penetrating effect queeks that spill > over into a big bassy > > harmonic wave of sea that calmes down. There is a > chance that the > > listeners pay atention for the next minute, so > thats when you can > > really send your message... ;-) > > > > A traditional trick to get atention is to break > (no, not that bar, > > not for a drink, you are in a bar :-) and then > continue with impact. > > But to me it sounds old fashioned, not flowing. > > > > I turned out pretty rocky for ambient music... > > Case someone wants to hear the result: I taped it > but its horrible, I > > wont show it to anyone. I had almost the same bad > listening > > condictions as the public, which is usefull to > create the correct > > sound mix and find an understandable way of > expression. But then, on > > the recording, you hear all the unwanted noises > and inacuracies, so > > forget that. > > > > > > > > Some list members must have a lot more experience > whith all this, so tell > us! > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 14 22:55:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17481; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:55:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515025234.8984.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: RE: EDP tutorial To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zB_tC.0.TD4.rPs7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > that's very kind of you to say. But how about tell > us your way of > understanding it? Perhaps that way makes sense for > others as well, and > serves to help them learn. Share your ideas! > > Matthias' and my way of understanding and describing > is certainly not the > only way. Hell, we don't even agree with each other > half the time. :-) > > kim Well, one of my favorite tricks with the edp has been mentioned here before. Kim says it's a bug, but I think it's a feature. This has to do with multiply, and undo. Build a small rhythmic loop,one bar, say 4 beats long. Then multiply that with while overdubbing with varied playing (for example make 8 multiples or 8 bars). This is the seed to try out the bug. Take those 8 bars, use multiply again, and create a 1 bar loop (from just one of those 4 beat bars). Then, using undo you can step through each of the individual 4 beat multiples (8 bars) that you created when you did the 8 bar multiple. Often one or more of them has an interesting sound that I did not expect. This works really well with looping drums and syncopated sounds. You have to try it to see how it sounds. Using this process you can evolve a rhythmic track with unpredicted variations that evolve into different feelings from the beginning seed, but still sounding connected to the orignal. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 01:16:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03837; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 01:16:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515051339.20778.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"cW-bW.0.9N.9Uu7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Claude, I'm glad to hear that it works. I'm very eager to try it, but have been unable to locate the necessary capacitor. I have limited options where I live. I tried both Radio Shack & a local guitar tech with no results. Hmmmm...maybe a TV or VCR repair shop would have it. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. John --- Claude voit wrote: > Hey > > did any of yu tried Mathias'sss DIY EDP-----Vortex > cable > > I did > > Its VERY ..... > > Na I won't tell.... > > try it > > Claude > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 02:05:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17690; Mon, 15 May 2000 02:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:05:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Opinions On A Loop Sampler Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFBDF8.6B49C900" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01bfbdf0$dec7cce0$fcee0cd1@tgoodman> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"jZjpl2.0.qU3.NBv7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFBDF8.6B49C900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion is to go for the EDP. -----Original Message----- From: Terry Goodman [mailto:tgoodman@zebra.net] Sent: Sunday 14 May 2000 3:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Opinions On A Loop Sampler reading the info on the web site and I think I've narrowed my choice down to the Boomerang or the EDP. I'm leaning toward the EDP, but my pocket book is saying Boomerang. Some negative opinions I've read about the sound quality of the Boomerang have me hesitating, however. I play a lot with headphones so low noise is important. I know you've asked thousands of times, but could some of you please give me some opinions on the above? Thanks in advance, Terry ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFBDF8.6B49C900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My=20 opinion is to go for the EDP.
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From: Terry Goodman=20 [mailto:tgoodman@zebra.net]
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reading the info on the web site and I think I've = narrowed=20 my choice down to the Boomerang or the EDP.  I'm leaning toward = the EDP,=20 but my pocket book is saying Boomerang.  Some negative opinions = I've read=20 about the sound quality of the Boomerang have me hesitating, = however.  I=20 play a lot with headphones so low noise is important.   =
 
I know you've asked thousands of times, but could = some of=20 you please give me some opinions on the above? 
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Terry
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFBDF8.6B49C900-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 02:12:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25072; Mon, 15 May 2000 02:12:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:12:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:50:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005150550.AAA01512@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Theremins! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA03041 Resent-Message-ID: <"VJl2U.0.xl.g1v7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looping theremins,(theremin to analog and noisy pedals then to Loopy boomerang...) that´s my wave now,I´m planning on buying a brand new one, anyone with experience in the subject? wich would be the more versatile model? Big briar-moog or Paia? thoughts, comparisons? any info would be greatly appreciated.. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 03:40:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26664; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:40:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:40:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:26:11 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? In-reply-to: <20000515051339.20778.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jSkAp.0.dN5.2aw7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:13 PM -0700 5/14/00, John Tidwell wrote: >Thanks Claude, I'm glad to hear that it works. I'm >very eager to try it, but have been unable to locate >the necessary capacitor. I have limited options where >I live. I tried both Radio Shack & a local guitar tech >with no results. Hmmmm...maybe a TV or VCR repair shop >would have it. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. > there are many online retail electronics distributors. 2.2uF caps are very common. (I think that is the value Matthias said...) Anyway, try: http://www.digikey.com http://www.mouser.com http://www.jameco.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 03:52:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16531; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:52:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:50:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Polar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qLZ6Y3.0.4F2.pkw7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Madoud said uses it, who else? How is it? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 04:38:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22409; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000515051339.20778.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> References: <20000515051339.20778.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:26:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ak_NV1.0.vY4.vPx7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Thanks Claude, I'm glad to hear that it works. I'm >very eager to try it, but have been unable to locate >the necessary capacitor. I have limited options where >I live. I tried both Radio Shack & a local guitar tech >with no results. Hmmmm...maybe a TV or VCR repair shop >would have it. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. Could be my fault: I wrote 2MF, but 2,2 is more usual and 2,5 certainly works, too. Its a simple Electrolytic or Tantal Capacitor. Any voltage above 5V is ok. Any electronic shop should have that. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 04:53:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09676; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:53:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006b01bfbd7f$75e4fa20$82d89b3e@oemcomputer> References: <006b01bfbd7f$75e4fa20$82d89b3e@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:53:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP input gain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"khQzw3.0.491.ffx7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What i would like to know is if i could still increase the gain structure of >the EDP. you can increase the same resistor to 22kOhm or more. But what Bret said is also true, thank you. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 04:56:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14078; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:55:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP input gain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"a1BB61.0.JD2.nhx7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What i would like to know is if i could still increase the gain structure of >the EDP. you can increase the resistor R10 to 22kOhm or more. But what Bret said is also true, thank you. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 04:38:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22435; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:38:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:36:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Hxp08.0.6Y4.tPx7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Madoud (is that what you want us to call you?) said: >Give a break...well I think the question has merit. I am a psychotherapist >in private practice and the whole field of music therapy is fascinating.. >sure there is a lot of cosmic foo-foo but the ability of the brain to entrain >with rhythm and repetition and tone is is seriously studied. >... Very interesting. I find it fundamental that you teach more about this application of music because turn some lonely loopers mania into a usefull contribution for health and education. When I started looping in '85, I lived with a photographer and he soon invited me to a dream trip with a sequence of slides with clouds. A therapist joined us on this flight too and called me for a group therapy where amongst other processes he guided dream trips (Traumreisen), meditations into symbolic stories of the kind: " you go into a forest.... you suffer in a field of scratching plants.... you come to a lake and feel it is your true home..." (sounds ridiculous here, but cleans the mind when done right). Such process becomes a lot more effective with music that fluently follows these phases. I also once supported a Yoga class. It helped helped while it was live. The recording did not serve again, because the music has to follow the sequence and speed of the exercizes, not reverse (just like I want to tap my loop tempo, not follow a preset :-). I think I learned a lot from those processes for free improvs, where the public is not guided to such a trip (no words) but nevertheless ends up going on one and maybe even in a more true way than by following verbal instructions (material symbols as oposit to musical archetypes). But to do this right, the musicians have to study those archetypes and maybe use them in a conscient sequence? It that what they teach to music therapists? Loop music is especially apropriate for such work for several reasons: - Repetition has a special effect on the brain (can you please say a bit more about this Madoud?) - It allowes a single person to create a broad fluent sound. If I have to comuncate with other musicians, its hard to comunicate enough with the terapist or painter or whatever the other medium is. - Its the most economic way to play without preprogramming (since a preprogrammed sequence hardly fits exactly the needs). You can play for hours without getting tired and the equipment can be one instrument with a small rack, connected to a CD player amplifier (since you dont need much volume). >I am interested in producing CDs individualized for some clients. >anyone else exploring this area? The same year I came to the same proposual: Personal music. I visited sick friends, talked to them, then played and left them the tape. There is no general healing music just like there is no general remedy. I tried to play in a hospital to help everybody in there. But the patients are suffering totally distinct disequilibrium and the staff has to work in the same sound. Only a pretty meaningless music fits for everyone. I dont believe in desease oriented music like "cancer-music" either. Maybe there is a sound for each organ, each meridian, each chakra, but I did not hear firm proposuals so far. To find the correct sound for a patient is very delicate, intuitive and a responsability - I did not have time, information and courage to follow the idea. So I was glad to read the posts of Stephan and Madoud, thank you. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 05:53:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04977; Mon, 15 May 2000 05:53:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:53:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.577139d.265121b2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 05:47:30 EDT Subject: RE: Opinions On A Loop Sampler To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"UX1-t2.0.t41.4Vy7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Terry, Matters on what you're looking to do and how WYSIWYG you like your equipment... I've got both just yet, and one thing that really stands out thus far, is that the EDP is much quieter than the Boomerang... However, I like the Boomerang for its sturdiness and simplicity for live use... Also really feeling the love when using a few adapters and running this beastie (Boomerang) in stereo, just have to get the timing down for a better ping pong echo effect. I've had all of about 30 minutes of yutzing with the EDP, due to work, so this view could be changed in just a matter of hours, but such is the loop, eh? Have to check out the new BIOS update for the Boomerang, and hit up the computer show this Sunday for the 4MB SIMMs. Another opinion from the Punchbowl. Tap on, loop concentric, gliss out, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 06:47:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01228; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:47:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:17:41 +0100 From: alan maguire Subject: RE: Opinions On A Loop Sampler To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-id: <41574F582E98D311A57900508B8B414319C5B2@EXCHANGE> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"yplb2.0.Ng6.OIz7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Phaedebk@aol.com [SMTP:Phaedebk@aol.com] writes : > However, I like the Boomerang for > its sturdiness and simplicity for live use... Also really feeling the > love whe > n using a few adapters and running this beastie (Boomerang) in stereo, > just have > to get the timing down for a better ping pong echo effect. > [>>] Boomerang in stereo? How? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 06:47:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01440; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:47:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39205084.D963A9AC@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:31:16 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> <391F74D3.2CC8B49C@vtx.ch> <391F62DA.7400EFE7@inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ni9772.0.IM7.FKz7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com eric wrote: > > Claude voit wrote: > > > Na I won't tell.... > > OH DO TELL NA direct access only no digest no review no video no fast food Claude ;=) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 08:34:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14194; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:34:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: klaw@pop.iglou.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: Keenan Lawler-David Watson Tour 2000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:18:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id IAA09558 Resent-Message-ID: <"rhGXl3.0.gL2.Bi-7v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Keenan Lawler-David Watson Tour 2000-----Guitars-electronics-Bagpipes collaboration sonic adventures-21st Century drone Wed-May17-trio with Elliott Sharp @-GAlapogas -NYC Thurs-May 18 -with Jack Rose & Ian Nagoski-@- Dale Jiminez-Philadelphia Sunday-May 21@-Red Room Baltimore Mon -May 22 @-Public Health Auditorium-Pittsburg Thurs-May 25-KL-solo-Supporting Kevin Drumm-Pillow@ -Speak in Toungues -Cleveland Fri=-May26 KL-solo-with Clark @-953 Gallery Louisville Keenan Lawler has emerged from being a quietly celebrated figure to a leading exponent of experimental music in his home city of Louisville, Kentucky, & beyond. He has toured extensively in the U.S. supporting performers like Elliott Sharp, Rafael Toral, and David First. In his acclaimed solo work, in leading foward-looking ensembles, and in collaborations with such disparate artists as Matmos, Rhys Chatham, Paul K, Ut Gret,Alan Licht and others, he has developed a unique sonic vocabulary. Lawler utilizes sampling electronics, electric guitar & resonator guitar, an instrument long-rooted in traditions of blues & bluegrass revised for the 21st century . Described as "a gyroscope spinning on a razors edge, Lawler's music blends minimalism, free improvisation, microtonality, psychedelic rock, drone & global musics into a rich combination of exploratory process & musicality. As Drew Daniel of Matmos put it: "In an already overcrowded world of string instrument manipulators, Lawler's work stands out... not an easy task." The Ghost of a Plane of Air, his latest release is available on the Konstant label. David Watson, musician/composer from Christchurch New Zealand, has set out to do the extraordinary: to bring the unmistakable sound of bagpipes into the future with subversive intention taking an instrument we thought we knew well beyond boundaries of genre & convention. An extreme of sonic power, bagpipes have a peculiar relationship to music history: ancient yŘet contemporary, historically european, yet firmly outside of the Western cannon. Watson has performed & recorded with some of the biggest names in the world of experimental music including John Zorn, Lee Renaldo, Ikue Mori, D.J. Olive, Eugene Chadbourne, Shelley Hirsh, Thurston Moore, Otomo Yoshihide, Cyro Baptista, Christian Marclay, Mark Stewart, Phill Niblock, Min Xian Fen and many others.John Zorn has called his latest release Skirl on the Avant label," the great bagpipe record from the downtown scene." Watson is currently recording & performing with his bands Glacial and Endgame. He will continue to perform at a variety of international dates through the upcoming year. For more information www.konstant.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 11:03:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17142; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:03:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <65.447b125.265166f8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:43:04 EDT Subject: Re: Keenan Lawler-David Watson Tour 2000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ru7er.0.Wi3.fq08v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/15/00 11:21:29 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, klaw@konstant.com writes: << Mon -May 22 @-Public Health Auditorium-Pittsburg >> keenan.............could you give me more info on this pittsburgh gig................now if could only find my LD tea-shirt..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 11:48:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03689; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39201B22.1B8F9597@inreach.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:43:30 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <20000428173821.15832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <001701bfb19e$196287a0$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> <390B2994.15112229@inreach.com> <391F74D3.2CC8B49C@vtx.ch> <391F62DA.7400EFE7@inreach.com> <39205084.D963A9AC@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GE2sL2.0.dw7.gi18v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com shucks. :p Claude voit wrote: > eric wrote: > > > > Claude voit wrote: > > > > > Na I won't tell.... > > > > OH DO TELL > > NA > > direct access only > > no digest > no review > no video > no fast food > > Claude > > ;=) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 13:53:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04300; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:53:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:53:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39203371.5954@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:27:13 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex power consumption References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XMiVR3.0.yZ4.0938v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . What watts am I using with this box? (I'd like to leave it on all day ;-) . David . From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 14:09:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06545; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:09:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515173911.10875.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Theremins! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"V4n761.0.-t7.4P38v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andy, Join levnet (theremin mailing list) and ask there. You'll enjoy the company, I know I do. bret ----------------------- You can also make such changes via email - send a message to: levnet-request@korrnet.org with the text "help" in the subject or body, and you will be emailed instructions.Questions or comments? Please send them to levnet-admin@korrnet.org. --- Andy Soto wrote: > > > Looping theremins,(theremin to analog and noisy > pedals then to Loopy > boomerang...) that´s my wave now,I´m planning on > buying a brand new one, > anyone with experience in the subject? wich would be > the more versatile > model? Big briar-moog or Paia? thoughts, > comparisons? any info would be > greatly appreciated.. > > Andy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 14:31:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09163; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:31:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:31:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39203CE8.B27AA008@ppi2pass.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:07:35 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT=High E blues References: <20000513040638.3083.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1RJjJ3.0.ob1.9r38v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm, I've got a Steinberger with the transtrem deal (one with a body) and I never break e strings, and I'm pretty hard on the transtrem in both directions. I am interested in the string adaptor deal though, if it works well. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 14:53:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11473; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:53:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <06e701bfbe98$f014baa0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex power consumption Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:11:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7LAGZ2.0.ke1.Is38v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The manual sez' 15 watts. Look on the back panel... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: david auker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: Echoplex power consumption >. >What watts am I using with this box? (I'd like to leave it on all day >;-) >. >David >. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 15:09:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13661; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3920BCBC.42DBE5C@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:13:01 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex power consumption References: <06e701bfbe98$f014baa0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bQq433.0.B72.3548v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In the future upgrade there will be a christmas mode where the led will be blinkin' in a beautiful manner Ooh, Aah, sez gran'ma Claude watt > -----Original Message----- > From: david auker > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:55 PM > Subject: Echoplex power consumption > > >. > >What watts am I using with this box? (I'd like to leave it on all day > >;-) > >. > >David > >. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 15:18:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15990; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:18:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:18:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515184041.15840.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: midi clock -> dead edp and other thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"SXM3k1.0.9g2.yO48v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com midi clock leads to temporarily dead edp....i think. My edp arrived Friday (I haven't had so much fun playing with myself since i was 13 yrs old!). I started the weekend loading it with 16MB RAM, rackmounting it (why do they put the rubber feet on a rackmount device by default - I had to unrack the thing to rip its tiny feet off so that i could mount another unit underneath it), and playing with syncing the EDP to my other midi gear, both as master & slave. At one point i cleverly created a midi loop which apparently hung the edp....not an uncommon behavior with other midi devices in the same situation. By 'hang', i mean that the *only* button that would do anything was the Parameter button. Stop the midi loop & power cycle - still dead....I'd see the pretty scrolling startup text, then nothing (where oh where is that glorious "199" in bright red??). And again. Reset to factory defaults - Now I have 2 green zeros, but still dead. Unplug the midi out (making *sure* no loop exists) & recycle power....still as a doornail. And again. hmmmm....maybe bad memory? Ready to yet again unrack the puppy, i disconnect the midi in & foot pedal chord, give it one more try and viola! All the looping power one man could want at my finger tips. Now i'm not sure the problem was actually the midi loop, but it is curious that unplugging the 2 cables apparently fixed the problem.....coincidence? I worked with the edp for the next 12 hours and the memory seems fine. 4 a.m. came and i wisely determined that i needed at least 3 hours of sleep before trudging off to the day job.... stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 16:16:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02822; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:16:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bfbea4$cfb31fc0$6f7079a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: midi clock -> dead edp and other thoughts Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:35:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"afR0R.0.px6.M258v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ohhhhh, I know this scenario all too well and all too often.... Cliff Steve wrote: 4 a.m. came and i wisely determined that i needed at least 3 hours of sleep before trudging off to the day job.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 16:40:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30979; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:40:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 15 May 2000 15:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: <-1253719500kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com> Sender: Kenny Bergle From: Kenny Bergle Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Kenny Bergle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="====56505157495249535351===1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vmojh1.0.Jw6.yS58v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --====56505157495249535351===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" tgoodman, Hi! Trying to keep this a non-commercial site, but couldn't help myself! My = name is Kenny Bergle and I am a long-time looper nut, going back to the = tape Echoplex and the original Memory Man by Electro-Harmonix. Anyway, I'= m a huge EDP user and fan and work at Sweetwater Sound, where I've bought = both the Oberheim and the now Gibson EDP. I will make you a huge deal on = a EDP (a Gibson one - new Oberhiem EDPs are no longer available). Just = call me at 800 222 4700 ext. 1270 and mention Looper's Delight! Or you = can email me at kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com if you like. Glad to help = loopers of any persuasion! =20 Kenny btw, this deal is good for anybody seeing this posting on Looper's Delight!= Just call or email me! kb -------------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Bergle Sweetwater Sound, Inc. Monday - Friday 9 AM - 6 PM Central Standard Time kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com 5335 Bass Road http://www.sweetwater.com Fort Wayne, IN 46808 ftp://ftp.sweetwater.com fax/219 432 1758 w# 800 222 4700 = =20 ext. 1270 "It's a darn good thing we don't get as much government as we=20 pay for!" - Will Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------- On Saturday, May 13, 2000, tgoodman@zebra.net wrote: > >Could someone tell me a dealer for the Oberheim Echoplex in the >US?=A0 Thanks. --====56505157495249535351===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tgoodman,
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The DMC Ground control does it but it would have been nice if it had things like note on /off to trigger samples ,synth chords etc... don´t know how the lake buttler could do but it is often mentioned as a great dinasour as well. Why doesn´t digitech have any interest in further developing the PMC 10? i am sure they would stir up some sales on this list, Don´t you guys think? Let´s bring up their attention! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 17:56:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16866; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:56:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bfbeb6$13054120$460878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000c01bfbea7$e24bd660$d69bb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Foot controller Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Qn2p.0.z-7.2w68v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got the Mitigator (Lake Butler) and the PMC 10, and the Gator can't do half of what the 10 can. It is good, but the PMC is an excellent piece of engineering. I agree with Luis, the company is stupid not to market what they've already spent their R&D dollars on. If enough people ask for it, you bet your boat they'll start makin' em again. They've probably still got the parts! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Angulo To: Loopers delight Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Foot controller > The PMC 10 is often mentined in this site as without a doubt one of the > best foot controllers and it is sad that in this day of age good foot > controllers are always lacking something like sending different midi comands > to different midi channels. The DMC Ground control does it but it would have > been nice if it had things like note on /off to trigger samples ,synth > chords etc... don´t know how the lake buttler could do but it is often > mentioned as a great dinasour as well. Why doesn´t digitech have any > interest in further developing the PMC 10? i am sure they would stir up some > sales on this list, Don´t you guys think? Let´s bring up their attention! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 18:18:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04662; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:18:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000515215817.5756.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Big Sur Experimental Music Festival 2000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"U5jWo1.0.QY4.zB78v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know fur shur, but I'd guess there'd have to be some looping going on here. Any loopers going? stephen > BIG SUR EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL 2000 > @ Henry Miller Memorial Library, on Highway 1, Big > Sur (directions below) > http://www.henrymiller.org/events > > Saturday and Sunday, May 20th and 21st, 12-8pm. > > Tickets available now by calling 831-667-2574 > $ 10.00/day  $ 15.00 for both. > > > A fantastic amount of submissions from across the > country and overseas came > in response to this years "Call for Performers." The > line-up reflects our > wish to have a wide variety of adventurous modern > music: electronica, > experimental improv, and ambient music from New > York, Tokyo, Seattle, Los > Angeles, San Francisco and Big Sur. Come down to Big > Sur for this > historic event and please call to reserve your > tickets. > > Performance Schedule: > > Saturday May 20:  > > > 1 pm Thomas Dimuzio, San Francisco, CA > live sampling and processing which can range > anywhere from beautiful > shimmering drones to full-code digital noise.  > http://www.gench.com > email: dimuzio@gench.com > > ........... > > > 2 pm Marcelo Radulovich/Marcos Fernandes, San Diego, > CA > improvisational, experimental global sounds for > guitars and electronics > http://www.accretions.com/current/mf_sum.html > http://www.marceloradulovich.com > http://www.trummerflora.com (San Diego Imrov. and > Experimental music site) > email: sounds@accretions.com > > > ........... > > > 3 pm Cheryl E. Leonard, San Francisco, CA  > a chamber work for four players and tape composed > entirely of sounds > acoustically and electronically derived from glass > instruments. > email: intex@sirius.com > ........... > > > 4 pm Bill Horist, Seattle, WA > Solo improvised electric guitar soundscapes > http://www.unitcircle.com , email: > flattopbix@yahoo.com > "...one of the most creative sound manipulators..." > Seattle Weekly > ............ > > > 5 pm Jeff Kaiser Trio, Ventura, CA > Electro-acoustic trio of trumpet, guitar, and bass.  > Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics > Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics > Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics > http://www.pfmentum.com > email: Pfmentum@jetlink.net > > > ........... > > > 6 pm Blaise Siwula, Brooklyn, NY > Solo ultraphonic alto-saxophone from the Lower East > Side of New York City > http://home.earthlink.net/~bbrjsiwula/ > email: bbrjsiwula@earthlink.net > ........... > > > 7 pm A concert of electro-acoustic tape pieces by > international composers > curated by composer Matt Ingalls, Oakland, CA. > email: mingalls@concentric.net > http://www.bayimproviser.com > > > > > Sunday May 21: > > 12 Noon Spandana > David Champagne, Big Sur - Vibes, drums, tape and TV > Sean Darius, Los Angeles - Cello > Philip DeGruy, New Orleans - Guitarp > http://www.bestofneworleans.com/mus/bandprofiles/p.html > ........... > > > 1 pm BSXMF Ensemble, Interstellar Space  > a purely free improvising all-star group of past and > present BSXMF > participants featuring musicians Andre Custodio, > Ernesto Diaz-Infante, > Pat Harman, Jeff Kaiser, Steuart Liebig, Lx Rudis, > Jim Ryan, Blaise Siwula > and others. > e-mail: itzat@earthlink.net > http://www.bayimproviser.com > > ........... > > > 2 pm The Electro-Acoustic Sextet Of Oakland > an experimental zone of computer electronics and > jazz > Jim Ryan - flute, alto & tenor sax > Matthew Burtner - midified and electronically > processed tenor sax > Scott Looney - electronics, keys and processing > Damon Smith - double Bass > Peter Valsamis - percussion > Hugh Livingston - contrabass > http://www.bayimproviser.com > email: jim@majornet.com > > ........... > > > 3 pm Mobius Operandi, San Francisco, CA > Electro-acoustic ensemble that performs exclusively > on original > instruments designed by Oliver DiCicco  > http://www.mobiusmusic.com > email: pamw@exploratorium.edu or > otype@mobiusmusic.com > "...The Mobius Opernadi show evokes the surrealist > circus moods of > filmmaker David Lynch...Parts of the visual > spectacle are truely > staggering..." > Steven Winn, > San Francisco > Chronicle > ........... > > > 4 pm Surrealestate, Los Angeles, CA > An ensemble of woodwinds, electric strings, varied > percussion and poetry. > Performing techniques of spontaneity, compositional > structures both > sophisticated and simple graphics and instructions. > email: martinel@ucla.edu > "...Surrealestate is examining the very nature of > sonic experience--not > as a cold experiment, but to conceive alternate > methods of hot-line > communication..." > Greg Burk, music columinist, LA Weekly > > ........... > > > 5 pm  Yasuhiro Otani, Tokyo, Japan > Macintosh Powerbook and guitar > Deeply influenced by contemporary music, free music, > folk music, collage, > noise, music concrete improvised music etc.. > email: PXK01556@nifty.ne.jp > http://www.member.nifty.ne.jp/yotani/ > > ........... > > > 6 pm  Philip Gelb/Hugh Livingston Duet, Oakland, CA > new and experimental music for shakuhachi & cello > http://www.wenet.net/~ryokan > email: ryokan@wenet.net > > ........... > > > 7 pm Ambient music pioneer Robert Rich, Menlo Park, > CA > Sonic surrealism for electronics and keyboards.  > http://www.amoeba.com/rrindex.html > http://www.rrich.com > email: rr@rrich.com > > ........... > > Special performance by Monterey artist Ed Leeper. > Food, massage and surprises! > > > DIRECTIONS: > Traveling south from San Francisco or San Jose, Big > Sur is 35 miles south > of Carmel-by-the-Sea on Highway 1. The Library is a > quarter-mile south > Nepenthe restuarant in a redwood grove on the > mountain side of the road. > For more info call 831.667.2574 or email > magnus@henrymiller.org > > ACCOMMODATIONS: > Camping is available at Andrew Molera State Park for > the cost of $3 per > person. Andrew Molera has 20 miles of hiking and/or > biking trails, coastal > access, fishing, swimming, and surfing. Hike in 0.3 > miles to primitive > camping. For more info, call > 831.667.2315 >   >   > $10 dollars for a one-day pass > $15 for a two-day pass. > > > Food and drink by > Big Sur Coast Foods > > Massage by > Imani Healing Arts > >   > For information or tickets, call (831) 667-2574, > email: hmlib@henrymiller.org > > BSXMF is sponsored by: > Streetlight Records > 939 Pacific Street, Santa Cruz and by > Monterey Mattress Company > 701 Redwood Ave. Sand City, 831-899-5464 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe - Questions - Submission > Guidlines: > Squid List FAQ > http://laughingsquid.org/squidlist/faq.html > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Laughing Squid > underground art & culture > http://laughingsquid.org > > Check out the new and improved > Doggie Diner website: http://www.doggiediner.com > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Laughing Squid Web Hosting > http://laughingsquid.net > > * 100Mb for $20/month, no setup charge > * park your domain name for free > * discounts artists, non-profits & multiple domains > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 18:50:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00493; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:50:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:50:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39207BA1.44316ED2@quik.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:35:13 -0700 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Therapy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8w44d.0.PA6.et78v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 the Reverend Rob wrote: > > On Sun, 14 May 2000, Petr Dolak wrote: > > >And I wonder if there are some who > > would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in > > therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping > > could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many > > many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can > > be long. > > Beyond normal performance applications, I use experimental looped music in > creating a proper ritual environment for various purposes and Western > hermetic magick paradigms, or for those familiar with his work, in the > sigilization techniques of AO Spare. Well, that about sums up my main use as well, and I find Scrying in the sound pool to be quite useful. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 18:54:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04911; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:54:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.58c642d.2651d7b7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:44:07 EDT Subject: Re: Polar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"gZIxy3.0.f76.Tt78v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am using Polar and it is very cool..However as to the amount of real control that can be achieved I am uncertain..I am new to computer sequencing anway..I am still exploring better ways to have that control, only now having the money to buy a Motu USB midi interface....I have a windcontroller and multiple keyboards....so the experimentation can go a lot of ways. ...I hope POLAR will continue to evolve. I have had a lot of fun creating loops with it. The ability to print, store and reroute the loops is very cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 19:23:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01794; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:23:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:03:54 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"dZW-N1.0.qP4.BA88v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Janeal Hoffman, I believe is her name is a music therapist...she created a special CD for use with high blood pressure....It goes to 55 BPM I believe. It is called Deep Daydreams....I have seen it work well. she explained the idea of entrainment to us...and gave a documented clinical example.....In a preemie ward they noticed that babies with irregular or slower heart beats were exposed to tones at BPM consistent with healthy heartbeats began to achieve those rhythms. the CD was her creation...It was not necessarily the tones...but the BPM..but the tones she uses are soothing....and they have a seamless loop quality to them...I gave a tape of the music to a client that was have high blood pressure exacerbated by worry and also at least one child in the family who was ADHD and I mean the real thing.....there was a side benefit....the kid slowed down as well......all other extraneous stimulus was removed,,,,TV, radio etc....it had a very calming effect..... I know that sometimes when I get into a looping groove and start to layer the whole effect seems to create a trance state.. time just suspends itself and most often I feel better and somewhat gratified. I often will use wireless headphones and do things in the garden or around the house while listening....it also seems to feed creativity,,,,I will later sit down...write a guitar tune or flute melody and something new comes out of the blue.....but there is some vague recollection of its genesis originating from a looping exercise. About those babies.....future loopers? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 19:25:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04257; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:25:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130494@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Big Sur Experimental Music Festival 2000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:03:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"2Uw-o3.0.cM4.0A88v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know fur shur, but I'd guess there'd have to be some looping going on here. Any loopers going? stephen **yep. i was going to send an e-mail about this later, but here goes: The Jeff Kaiser Trio Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics/looping Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics/looping (i'm running three for these gigs) Big Sur Experimental Music Festival May 20-21 http://www.henrymiller.org/Events/BSXMF/bsxmf.html we're on at 5:00 p.m. on saturday the 20th - - though i'd be surprised if we really went on at that time (festival schedules and all of that). should also be doing the group improv thing on sunday at 1:00 p.m. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 20:08:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21158; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQA04kECz4Qz+Oy48eY/LnulhDiWAIVAJqLM41RAbj3rzT87pXEeFpco3Dr From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Show and tell Message-ID: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-27134-910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"x0cht2.0.gB2.a388v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --WebTV-Mail-27134-910 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hey ! Why isn't there a place on Looper's Delight for us to share our looping creations ?! Here's a 30 second submission of (not) my best work so far. Really hope the tutorial project gets off the ground. 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kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16945; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:51:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39209610.3D5C8C30@best.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:28:00 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Therapy References: <009a01bfbdb3$95c3dc60$4d601840@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rGBUZ.0.Tc1.yQ98v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe that there is a certain style of music that is absolutely therapeutic. When the stress level at my work-place goes up (I am a software engineer) I tend to put on the headphones and listen to Steve Roach (World's Edge, Well of Souls), Eno (Neroli, Thursday Afternoon), Fripp (Gates of Paradise), and it puts me in a relaxed state that is very conducive to focused, detailed thought. Gregorian Chant has the same effect on me. While I like classical, rock, and King Crimson (it's own category!) I find that music to be too structured and demands too much attention. (Of course, there are times at work where KC (THRaKaTTaK, B'BOOM) is entirely appropriate!) I have had the EDP for about a month now and my playing seems to have just naturally gravitated toward the therapeutic edge of the spectrum. I see nothing wrong with following one's bliss, to borrow a phrase from J. Campbell. I think it is very commendable that some of the folks here on LD are playing for patients in hospital. -Allan Petr Dolak wrote: > As I observe the direction of our discussions, it seems like majority of > loopers (male loopers) essentially does entertainment stuff: live > performances, home experiments, etc. And I wonder if there are some who > would be using looping techniques and tools in some other forms, like in > therapy, specific healing methods, and so on. It seems to me that looping > could be very helpful e.g. with psychiatric patients, since it gives many > many options to be creative. Looping sounds, voices, whatever. The list can > be long. > > Any ideas, experiences, thoughts? > > petr > pepetr@crnet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 20:56:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23975; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:56:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000515202051.00966c40@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:21:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Show and tell In-Reply-To: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"zge7m1.0.Qp7.TI98v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:57 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Jordan wrote: >Hey ! > >Why isn't there a place on Looper's Delight for us to share our looping >creations ?! I dunno but a lot of people don't like getting unsolicited attachments in their email. I put my samples up on my WEB page: http://www.studiodust.com/sdmusic.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 21:01:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28744; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:01:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:01:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQJVegn3L2Uz94KWUHy7hoOKxXHqgIUZU6cRJm0xkQaQGksuQqIhD4fLDk= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Very Sorry Message-ID: <19605-39209CA2-9422@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"je8Vl2.0.5k5.co98v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I AM VERY SORRY FOR POSTING THE HUGE AUDIO FILE TO THE LIST ! I am new to how this works and didn't realize that posting big files to a mail list isn't cool. Please forgive my naivete. Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 21:19:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11248; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:19:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:49:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39205084.D963A9AC@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"dWQfg3.0.Ax1.F4A8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Aww, pretty please? Since I have my EDP synched to midi, I may never be able to get my vortex to synch with it. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Claude voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? eric wrote: > > Claude voit wrote: > > > Na I won't tell.... > > OH DO TELL NA direct access only no digest no review no video no fast food Claude ;=) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 21:28:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23526; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:28:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:28:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000515205118.02687340@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:14:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: Show and tell In-Reply-To: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"f_bMZ1.0.-L4.gCA8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:57 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Jordan Pease wrote: >Why isn't there a place on Looper's Delight for us to share our looping >creations ?! There really ought to be. I don't know if they'd have space up at annihilist.com, but that's one possibility. Another would be if someone else kindly hosted it. Also, something like a shared Freedrive, could do the trick. What's going on with the daily 10 second list? I'm afraid I haven't been following that one. >Here's a 30 second submission of (not) my best work so far. While I'm happy to hear it, I'm not convinced it's such a good idea to send it to the list. Some folks have seriously slow connections around here, not to mention in other countries where phone time really is money. -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 21:33:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28989; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: OT=High E blues Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:16:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39203CE8.B27AA008@ppi2pass.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"KNTl61.0.3w1.74A8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got a string adapter on my steinberger. Works very well, though it took me over a year and a half to recieve it from steinberger. Quite a surprise when it showed up. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:msottilaro@ppi2pass.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT=High E blues Hmmmm, I've got a Steinberger with the transtrem deal (one with a body) and I never break e strings, and I'm pretty hard on the transtrem in both directions. I am interested in the string adaptor deal though, if it works well. -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 21:55:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17137; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:55:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:55:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000515205118.02687340@marathon.simons-rock.edu> References: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:55:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"zSfFA.0.LD3.UbA8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I have already posted to kim off list regarding having a 'loop of the week' sort of thing, where we would get on a sign up list and each week, we would all recieve a mp3 of the respective person's work. Kim instructed me that there was a definite issue of bandwidth/price which he could not and would not afford. Free 'web space' is readily available, and someone could just direct us all to their web page to listen to tunes, rather than eating bandwidth with something that some would enjoy and others would see as unsolicited attachments. seeya, rich >At 03:57 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Jordan Pease wrote: >>Why isn't there a place on Looper's Delight for us to share our looping >>creations ?! >There really ought to be. I don't know if they'd have space up at >annihilist.com, but that's one possibility. Another would be if someone >else kindly hosted it. Also, something like a shared Freedrive, could do >the trick. What's going on with the daily 10 second list? I'm afraid I >haven't been following that one. > > >>Here's a 30 second submission of (not) my best work so far. > While I'm happy to hear it, I'm not convinced it's such a good >idea to send it to the list. Some folks have seriously slow connections >around here, not to mention in other countries where phone time really is >money. > > -nick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 22:33:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17208; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:33:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001bfbedc$de8f9ea0$f332dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Show and tell Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:17:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"OBIQD1.0.xT1.O_A8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't want to be a bummer, folks but would someone come up with a different name for this idea than The Loop Of The Week? I'd really appreciate it, having posted my own loops online under that very name since 1996... and I'd be glad to participate, even in addition to my ongoing LOTW postings - but it would be awfully courteous to call this new item something else. Please? Thanks. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Show and tell > Hi All, > > I have already posted to kim off list regarding having a 'loop of the week' > sort of thing, where we would get on a sign up list and each week, we would > all recieve a mp3 of the respective person's work. Kim instructed me that > there was a definite issue of bandwidth/price which he could not and would > not afford. Free 'web space' is readily available, and someone could just > direct us all to their web page to listen to tunes, rather than eating > bandwidth with something that some would enjoy and others would see as > unsolicited attachments. > > seeya, > > rich > > > > > >At 03:57 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Jordan Pease wrote: > >>Why isn't there a place on Looper's Delight for us to share our looping > >>creations ?! > >There really ought to be. I don't know if they'd have space up at > >annihilist.com, but that's one possibility. Another would be if someone > >else kindly hosted it. Also, something like a shared Freedrive, could do > >the trick. What's going on with the daily 10 second list? I'm afraid I > >haven't been following that one. > > > > > >>Here's a 30 second submission of (not) my best work so far. > > While I'm happy to hear it, I'm not convinced it's such a good > >idea to send it to the list. Some folks have seriously slow connections > >around here, not to mention in other countries where phone time really is > >money. > > > > -nick > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 23:01:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29151; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:01:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009101bfbee2$73599400$42601840@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: References: <200005160036.UAA07785@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Looping therapy idea Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:43:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01BFBEBE.F100FA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Pcxe51.0.sK6.-YB8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01BFBEBE.F100FA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was asking about this topic because I want to start a project with = young people in detention centers (and possibly mental institutions). = Looping would be the main tool used, plus some effects, like voice = modulation and so on. =20 =20 Having a set of microphones, couple of EDPs, and after some playing = around with sounds and stuff, following some form of centering and = calming down I would do visualization with them, and things like that. = (E.g., after creating some ambient and rythmical basic foundation, they = would say into microphones (placed at various places in the room), one = after another, spontaneously as they feel, something on a given topic = (e.g. what their dreams are; what and how they want to be; what they = wish, etc., in simple words or short sentences). Their words would be = laid over in several layers. It would be interesting to observe how the = words sound, to reflect on their meaning and mutual synchronicity, and = to see how they slowly disappear into ambient noise. I know that my = description may sound rather dull, but I have done some experiments with = voice loopings and I believe it will be good and fruiful. =20 It seems to me that looping offers many possibilites how to encourage = creativity and spiritual growth. I wonder if there are some loopers who = would utilize looping techniques in some forms like I intend to. Or, = can you offer and suggest contacts on people who would do this kind of = things, or some resources, especially from clinical settings? petr pepetr@crnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01BFBEBE.F100FA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =FF=FE<=00!=00D=00O=00C=00T=00Y=00P=00E=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =00P=00U=00B=00L=00I=00C=00 = =00"=00-=00/=00/=00W=003=00C=00/=00/=00D=00T=00D=00 =00H=00T=00M=00L=00 = =004=00.=000=00 = =00T=00r=00a=00n=00s=00i=00t=00i=00o=00n=00a=00l=00/=00/=00E=00N=00"=00>=00= =0D=00=0A= =00<=00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00<=00H=00E=00A=00D=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = =00c=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00t=00=3D=00"=00t=00e=00x=00t=00/=00h=00t=00m=00= l=00;=00 = =00c=00h=00a=00r=00s=00e=00t=00=3D=00u=00n=00i=00c=00o=00d=00e=00"=00 = =00h=00t=00t=00p=00-=00e=00q=00u=00i=00v=00=3D=00C=00o=00n=00t=00e=00n=00= t=00-=00T=00y=00p=00e=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00<=00M=00E=00T=00A=00 = 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O=00N=00T=00>=00<=00/=00D=00I=00V=00>=00<=00/=00B=00O=00D=00Y=00>=00<=00/= =00H=00T=00M=00L=00>=00=0D=00=0A= =00 ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01BFBEBE.F100FA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 15 23:35:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30113; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:35:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:35:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bfbee6$e459a920$afad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #164 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:28:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DD4MW2.0.aX4.g0C8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #164 May 11, 2000. On this show, I continued month-long focus on soundscape artist Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at Midnight was Places of Motility on the Hypnos label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in support of their upcoming concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Hemisphere Psychodelic Friends Create Inversion (Groove) Dweller at the Threshold The Revealing Spiral No Boundary Condition (Eurock) Rudy Adrian Coming Home Kinetic Flow (Groove) Ian Boddy Frozen Web Box of Secrets (DiN) Syndromeda Liquid Motions Birth of a Black Hole (Groove) Jeff Pearce On Silent Paths The Hidden Rift (Ancient Sun) Kevin Keller Distanced Pendulum (Lektronic Soundscapes) Robert Carty Lost Temple Plateaus of Ether (Deep Sky) 12:00 am Jeff Greinke Uprising Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Suspended in Darkness Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Centuries Passed Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Billowing Smoke Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Fallacy Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Unfamiliar Voices Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke A Dank Place Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Polarities Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Spoken with Authority Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Oceanic Lift Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Dropped Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Swayed Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Travelling Secrets Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke The Well Places of Motility (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Cirrus Places of Motility (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at midnight will be "Cities in Fog 2" on the Projekt label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 04:05:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31488; Tue, 16 May 2000 04:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 04:05:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 03:32:39 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Gig in Cologne/Germany Sender: Andreas Willers To: Kim Flint Message-ID: <200005160332_MC2-A519-724@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA02050 Resent-Message-ID: <"mfJfz3.0.DX.JdF8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andreas Willers - gtr., bari-gtr, loopings etc.: Ground Guitar Music Donnerstag, 18.Mai '00, 20:30 RheinRaum - Titusstr.26 - Köln Südstadt Solo-Projekt-Reihe 'Allein sind viele etwas irr' (Ernst Bloch) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 05:21:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05927; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 05:21:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39218A23.4B074EEF@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:49:23 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lcg_M3.0.Pd5.kwG8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > Aww, pretty please? Since I have my EDP synched to midi, I may never be able > to get my vortex to synch with it. > > bIz > You're right as there is no beat sync sent while in sync:in it sadly doesnt work in this mode what it does : the plex emulates a vortex tap tempo push at _cycle_ boundaries when you multiply the cycle is not changed when you end multiply with quantized/record the plex makes one unified cycle of the multiples: a multiplied vortex delay time (check vortex man for delay time limits handling) when you end multiply with unQ/record the plex makes one cycle off the just determined time: a new vortex delay time now when you play some music thru this it depends on ....the music Mathias's mod http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 08:09:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25167; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:09:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:09:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bfbf34$d1b073f0$141b5d8f@FHZW> From: "Jochen Dinter" To: Subject: AW: show and tell Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:46:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBF3D.335A9D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"LykW73.0.2z3.XOJ8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBF3D.335A9D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm studying digital media in germany. In my internships I try to focus music branche, especially the = electronical. Neither compositing nor producing are my interests. In Germany, most musicians don't know how to offer their music (perhaps = mp3.com), nor they can work with other musicians, cause they simply = don't know them. So I'm studying possibilities to show musicians their international = rights, demonstrate national and international problems with producers, And last but not least I hope to offer other musicians loops and show = different results of their works and give'em possibilities to work = together in online-projects. In my opinion, music is the language, everyone understands. = Communication and working with other musicians could offer possibilities = to "come together".-=20 - What would you expect from a non-commercial music web-site? - Have you ever had problems with copyrights or producers? jOCHEN ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBF3D.335A9D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m studying digital media in germany.

In my internships I try to focus music branche, especially the=20 electronical.

Neither compositing nor producing are my interests.

In Germany, most musicians don’t know how to offer their music = (perhaps=20 mp3.com), nor they can work with other musicians, cause they simply = don’t know=20 them.

So I’m studying possibilities to show musicians their = international=20 rights,

demonstrate national and international problems with producers,

And last but not least I hope to offer other musicians loops and show = different results of their works and give’em possibilities to work = together in=20 online-projects.

In my opinion, music is the language, everyone understands. = Communication and=20 working with other musicians could offer possibilities to "come = together".-

- What would you expect from a non-commercial music web-site?

- Have you ever had problems with copyrights or producers?

 

jOCHEN

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBF3D.335A9D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 09:19:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27612; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:19:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000516130123.97988.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.215] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Foot controller Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:01:23 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yv9y2.0.mI6.3RK8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a rocktron all access ordered but they won't be ready for 3 months....any other ideas????? Om and Out >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Foot controller >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:16 -0700 > >I've got the Mitigator (Lake Butler) and the PMC 10, and the Gator can't do >half of what the 10 can. It is good, but the PMC is an excellent piece of >engineering. I agree with Luis, the company is stupid not to market what >they've already spent their R&D dollars on. If enough people ask for it, >you bet your boat they'll start makin' em again. They've probably still >got >the parts! >Gary > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Luis Angulo >To: Loopers delight >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:57 PM >Subject: Foot controller > > > > The PMC 10 is often mentined in this site as without a doubt one of the > > best foot controllers and it is sad that in this day of age good foot > > controllers are always lacking something like sending different midi >comands > > to different midi channels. The DMC Ground control does it but it would >have > > been nice if it had things like note on /off to trigger samples ,synth > > chords etc... don´t know how the lake buttler could do but it is often > > mentioned as a great dinasour as well. Why doesn´t digitech have any > > interest in further developing the PMC 10? i am sure they would stir up >some > > sales on this list, Don´t you guys think? Let´s bring up their >attention! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 10:09:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22463; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:09:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop Therapy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:45:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"26FlZ.0.Pl2.UFL8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sure! I find that there are several aspects to this kind of thing that really make it a therapeutic type activity: When I do this, I end up looping for much longer than I think I would. It's not unusual for me to create a 45-60 minute loop without even really thinking. I'll look up and realize an hour has passed and be amazed. I use the Procrastination looper on my Macintosh (I've got both a 6400 and a G4...come to think of it, my wife should try it on her iMac DV SE since she's got such a great voice, but I digress) with guitar and vortex. Some of the atmospheres I create are quite nice. I did one particular session last January and basically had 7-8 9-12 minute loops as edited from one big loop. I'm sure it relaxes me since I emerge sort of pleasantly soma'ed out. But as far as relaxing others, I've no clue. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 11:31:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29412; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:31:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001bfbedc$de8f9ea0$f332dacf@z8y9w0> References: <5556-392080DE-1858@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:18:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Show and tell Resent-Message-ID: <"K1Vm21.0.3g5.pLM8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My apologies for infringing on Stephen's 'Loop of the Week'. I didn't realize you were using that. Sorry. It reminds me of in the late 70's, when i would do a puppet show for my friends...I would call it the "After School Special"...Damn, that lawsuit with ABC was a bitch... seeya, rich >I don't want to be a bummer, folks but would someone come up with a >different name for this idea than The Loop Of The Week? I'd really >appreciate it, having posted my own loops online under that very name since >1996... and I'd be glad to participate, even in addition to my ongoing LOTW >postings - but it would be awfully courteous to call this new item something >else. > >Please? Thanks. > >Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! >EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 12:45:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14326; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:45:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:45:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFBF66.5B9BA680.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Re: Show and tell Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:49:29 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"25H3J.0.aA2.NdN8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jordan Pease wrote: > What's going on with the daily 10 second list? > I'm afraid I haven't been following that one. the list still exists, several people are collecting their every day 10 seconds pieces, but it seems like I'm the only one to publish them on an (almost) daily basis. Check the MY2K link from the URL below to listen and for more info. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 13:58:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24006; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:58:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:18:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Fwd: Re: Looping Therapy Resent-Message-ID: <"OXe6c3.0.IC2.C6O8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting topic!! To date, I have used looping the way I use a sauna: The experience is relaxing, transforming... and I consistently feel better off, after i'm done. So, which is this: Healing or Entertainment? In my opinion, there is a thin line between the two, and in my life, I try to dissolve that line whenever possible. Additional thought: I suppose Entertainment implies that one is "having fun", whereas Healing implies one might be experiencing pain or dealing with a a painful experience....Perhaps healing/entertainment is just another duality like, pleasure/pain, good/bad, hot/cold, but ultimately describing the same process... Back to the real world.... Has anyone learned the sounds that are being used to induce the various (measurable) states, like alpha, theta, etc.? It would be great to experiment with them....and maybe even incorporate them into pop songs --- I can see the warning label on the album cover: WARNING: This music contains adult language, graphic violence, and may induce states of relaxation, ecstacy, or hyper-awareness. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 14:18:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07036; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:18:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901bfbf5c$93fd2300$dd1c4518@gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "David Green" To: References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:31:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-yssB.0.MT.8RO8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello. I've been finding this thread very interesting, as it is something I am looking to pursue. Unfortunately I don't really know where to begin. Can anybody recommend any books or sound recordings that are relevant to "Loop Therapy". I would actually like to learn how to do this in a, shall I say it, scientific manner. What I mean is I wish to learn about the principles of vibration, and how to manipulate them so I can help people physically, mentally, and emotionally. Not just loop pretty sounds with no real idea of what I'm doing. I do believe that music/sound can cure physical aliments, such as cancer. Because what is radiation treatment but focusing an intense vibration (radiation) at the tumor. But perhaps I'm oversimplifying. Has anybody here heard of the avant-gard trombonist Stuart Dempster? His site: http://faculty.washington.edu/dempster/ . He does some amazing things with a groups called the Deep Listening Band and Sound Massage Parlour . Like play with a group of trombone players in an old cistern with a 45 second reverberation. Thanks for any and all information, David Green From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 14:54:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13519; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: Subject: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:35:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"JnVYY.0.6U5.gGP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is an interesting topic. And I have experienced some consciousness change and entrainment through interacting with my loops. This is somewhat related but slightly askew of the topic: One of the biggest obstacles to the (self) therapy is that 9 times out of 10 I create something in the EDP that I want to record (to disk) and use as a foundation for a composition. And often I wish I would have recorded the instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the 'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi track, and doing take after take, etc. It creates a whole new sense of being a player/composer that the loops can go for hours or weeks if you don't reset or turn off the power, but are gone the instant you do. I often get too 'attached' or regret having wiped the slate, or suffer some anxiety in deciding betwixt the two. There are things I'd never be able to re-create and this creates a sense of 'scarcity' so I get overly 'precious' with the current loops. How do others deal with this? (hope I made myself clear) Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 14:56:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15000; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:56:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bfbf64$5ac3cf00$48310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: Looping Therapy - Mind / Brain Machines Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:27:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"seF_j2.0.GH3.P8P8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You might want to check out the book called Mega Brain by Michael Hutchison, about the various electro-acoustic devices ("mind machines") available to the public. I was WAY into this in the early 80's. A whole subculture has grown up around it, like 'Mind Gyms' where folks get together to bliss out on brain drugs and machines. I think Aphex Twin, Autechre and others have already tapped the psychoactive effects of beat frequencies, inducing alpha states, etc. This area has already been explored widely by the New Age and Rave crowd. See http://www.mindmachines.com and MIND Gear at http://www.mind-gear.com/index.html - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Chovit" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Looping Therapy > Interesting topic!! > > To date, I have used looping the way I use a sauna: The experience is > relaxing, transforming... and I consistently feel better off, after i'm > done. So, which is this: Healing or Entertainment? In my opinion, there > is a thin line between the two, and in my life, I try to dissolve that line > whenever possible. > > Additional thought: I suppose Entertainment implies that one is "having > fun", whereas Healing implies one might be experiencing pain or dealing > with a a painful experience....Perhaps healing/entertainment is just > another duality like, pleasure/pain, good/bad, hot/cold, but ultimately > describing the same process... > > Back to the real world.... Has anyone learned the sounds that are being > used to induce the various (measurable) states, like alpha, theta, etc.? > It would be great to experiment with them....and maybe even incorporate > them into pop songs --- I can see the warning label on the album cover: > > WARNING: This music contains adult language, graphic violence, and may > induce states of relaxation, ecstacy, or hyper-awareness. > > > - Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 14:59:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17479; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:59:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006901bfbf5c$93fd2300$dd1c4518@gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com> References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:58:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Resent-Message-ID: <"Pu-rJ2.0.Ki2.-ZP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Has anybody here heard of the avant-gard trombonist Stuart Dempster? His >site: http://faculty.washington.edu/dempster/ . He does some amazing things >with a groups called the Deep Listening Band and Sound Massage Parlour . >Like play with a group of trombone players in an old cistern with a 45 >second reverberation. > >Thanks for any and all information, > >David Green I have a CD of the Deep Listening Band with the Long Stringed Instrument in Austin, Texas. Is the Deep Listening Band independent of the LSI? If y'all aren't aware of the Long Stringed Instrument, or the Deep Listening Band, it's worth a look. Long Stringed Instrument: I think there have been multiple installations of this, but the one i know of is in Austin, where an entire room (an old candy shop) has been converted to this amazing stringed instrument. The strings are running horizontally across the room at waist height, and the players move along the length, plucking the strings with rosined fingers. According to my friend, during a performance, the audience essentially sits in the 'soundbox'. The composition and choroeography is (from what i know) by Ellen Fullman, who has recordings under her name as well as with the Deep Listening Band. The sound of this thing is really unique and wierd...like a droning string quartet through a vococoder or something. Deep Listening Band: The CD i have is with this band and the LSI. What might be interesting to the LD folks is that this performance was designed to give each member of the ensemble control over their own placement in the mix, as well as control over their effects loops, if my memory serves me. Reminds me alot of the threads here about mulitple fx sends and mixer usage in live situations. I was given these CD's by my 'mad scientist' friends in Austin. Really interesting stuff, i think. Mostly, i was fascinated by the musical 'chart' on Ellen Fullman's 'Body Music' cd. It is a 'map' of the movement along the strings by each 'player', throughout the entire composition. cool. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 14:56:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14662; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:56:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:56:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Theremins! In-Reply-To: <200005150550.AAA01512@servidor.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hiznK3.0.hE4.wBP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, over on the Theremin list the consensus is the Big Briar Etherwave is a better Theremin than the PAIA, although the PAIA does come with the control voltage output as standard. (The instructions for putting together the Etherwave include a control voltage option. For those who can afford the *high* price-tag, the Big Briar Ethervox is considered the professional Theremin, with the Etherwave being sorta the "Student" model. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:15:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26378; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:15:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:15:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <71.3232c2e.2652f72d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:10:37 EDT Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"RJILt1.0.kI6.IrP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do the same thing....start,loop, layer, get something I like and don't have the slightest idea how I got there, and one little extra can mess up the whole thing..that is why I have 3 EDPs....but check out POLAR in Digital Performer...all loops can be merged or remain independent...I am working on how to utiize the MIDI function of the EDP with POLAR....to retain single tracks and yet be able to merge tracks or pull them apart again. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:16:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26482; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:16:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <97.572dabd.2652f78d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:12:13 EDT Subject: Re: Theremins! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"KPtx72.0.AN6.osP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/16/2000 2:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > For those who can afford the *high* price-tag, the Big Briar > Ethervox is considered the professional Theremin, with the > Etherwave being sorta the "Student" model. > What is the price on the unit.. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:11:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25835; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:11:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:11:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <61.398014e.2652f577@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:03:19 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5gBM1.0.x15.ckP8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i remember reading about a computer program that had all the different brain wave stimulators on it. it was in electronic musician a long while back. it might have been some sort of virtual synth program. i took interest in it at the time because i have a few of those brain sync tapes. the music was pretty bad on them though and I'd rather have CD. they work best through headphones. the first time i tried it i think something happened. since i wasn't able to duplicate the feeling again I'm not sure if it was due to the waves or not. perhaps if the music was new each time or at least more to my tastes it would be different. i also wonder if stress plays a part in blocking the receptiveness of an individual towards the effect. peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:28:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28237; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:28:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101bfbf64$5ac3cf00$48310140@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:30:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Re: Looping Therapy - Mind / Brain Machines Resent-Message-ID: <"8i4wX2.0.Np6._1Q8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think Aphex Twin, Autechre and others have already tapped the >psychoactive effects of beat frequencies, inducing alpha states, >etc. This area has already been explored widely by the New Age and >Rave crowd. I would definitely not turn anybody onto Aphex Twin as some sort of example of the 'healing' properties of looping or frequency manipulation, however! That guy is seriously messed up, IMO. He creates the most dense, disturbing 'sounds'. At first, i am intrigued, because i've never heard anybody assemble sound quite like it...then the questions start coming up..."This isn't right, something's wrong, i am being manipulated here..." Interesting ideas, all of them, but i am much more interested in potential healing properties than the disturbing stuff these days...I already did my TG, Current 93 and Psychic TV stint... do what you will, but harm none... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:40:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31402; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:38:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Resent-Message-ID: <"9XVWj1.0.427.7AQ8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >One of the biggest obstacles to the (self) therapy is that 9 times out of 10 >I create something in the EDP that I want to record (to disk) and use as a >foundation for a composition. And often I wish I would have recorded the >instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the >'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an >entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi >track, and doing take after take, etc. As you are recording into a looper, however, whether it be an EDP, JamMan, whatever. Isn't there a point where you press the 'overdub' button? Couldn't you stop at that point, record the loop onto the computer, then copy the time length into the next loop and listen to the previous track on the computer while composing your new overdub on the next loop? just a thought... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 15:46:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03414; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:46:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <61.398014e.2652f577@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:47:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looping Therapy Resent-Message-ID: <"ryU5M.0.n6.ZIQ8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was fortunate enough to see the W.S. Burroughs retrospective art showing at Los Angeles County Museum a few years ago, where they had Bill and Bryon's 'Dream Machine'. You sat in front of it, pushed a button on the table, and closed your eyes and stared at the thing....it only lasted about 15 seconds. Fun folks that we are, we just held the damn button down and zoned out... The only thing i got out of it was a massive headache and the realization that i am susceptible to light induced mild siezures... I guess i was missing the drugs and gamelan music... oh well, rich >i remember reading about a computer program that had all the different brain >wave stimulators on it. it was in electronic musician a long while back. it >might have been some sort of virtual synth program. i took interest in it at >the time because i have a few of those brain sync tapes. the music was pretty >bad on them though and I'd rather have CD. they work best through headphones. >the first time i tried it i think something happened. since i wasn't able to >duplicate the feeling again I'm not sure if it was due to the waves or not. >perhaps if the music was new each time or at least more to my tastes it would >be different. i also wonder if stress plays a part in blocking the >receptiveness of an individual towards the effect. > > >peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:24:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30150; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:24:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ew1oP1.0.cq4.wlQ8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" > > As you are recording into a looper, however, whether it be an EDP, JamMan, > whatever. Isn't there a point where you press the 'overdub' button? > > Couldn't you stop at that point, record the loop onto the computer, then > copy the time length into the next loop and listen to the previous track on > the computer while composing your new overdub on the next loop? That would be a good technique. Thanks The implicit point of my post is that the spontaneity and simplicity of the looper is what draws out fresh material and by using your technique, by the time the loop was copied and ready for overdub, 'red light' syndrome probably would occur anyways, so you might as well just start using hd recording. Even though the looper is a sophisticated processor, for me, it is closer to 'just playing' (loose and spontaneous) than 'recording and arranging' (tendency to shoot toward 'results' with more 'editing' going on, more self-conscious ). Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:26:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31623; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:26:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:26:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Message-ID: <0056910005055289000002L192*@MHS> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:02:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/16/00 15:08:21" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA08478 Resent-Message-ID: <"Rubzs3.0.G52.QcQ8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I for one have neve been able to capture the FEELING of the Echoplex, the perfect real-time looper, while knowing that I multi-tracking. My approach is that I keep a liitle DAT and a stereo mic set up at all times. If I am drifting near to perfection I can hit the record button without disrupting the flow. I got this idea from Kim who told me once that the best wat to capture loops is through audio, not MIDI. Loopily, Kamlapati From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:34:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05015; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:34:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01bfbf76$6a5eb120$6887abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <4.3.1.0.20000515205118.02687340@marathon.simons-rock.edu> Subject: R: Show and tell Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:40:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ppi6z3.0.uC.O-Q8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Like in Italy.... ----- Original Message ----- From: nick ring To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: Show and tell >not to mention in other countries where phone time really is > money. > > -nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:50:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17549; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> References: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:48:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Resent-Message-ID: <"kczhs3.0.dm2.EBR8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neil wrote: > >Even though the looper is a sophisticated processor, for me, it is closer to >'just playing' (loose and spontaneous) than 'recording and arranging' Yes, and thank goodness! It's amazing with all the incredible technology that is out there: the most "transparent" and accurate, hands-free interface between a human and a recording device is still a single footswitch. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:45:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13100; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:45:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:45:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000516204004.3447.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Foot controller PCM 10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"NAxrC3.0.282.l8R8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I may regret this later, but I have a PMC 10 and programmer that I am willing to sell. I bought it to control edps, gr09 and vg8, but never did. Send me private email (not to the list please) echoplex@yahoo.com bret --- David Potter wrote: > I have a rocktron all access ordered but they won't > be ready for 3 > months....any other ideas????? Om and Out > > > >From: "Gary Lehmann" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Foot controller > >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:16 -0700 > > > >I've got the Mitigator (Lake Butler) and the PMC > 10, and the Gator can't do > >half of what the 10 can. It is good, but the PMC > is an excellent piece of > >engineering. I agree with Luis, the company is > stupid not to market what > >they've already spent their R&D dollars on. If > enough people ask for it, > >you bet your boat they'll start makin' em again. > They've probably still > >got > >the parts! > >Gary > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Luis Angulo > >To: Loopers delight > > >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:57 PM > >Subject: Foot controller > > > > > > > The PMC 10 is often mentined in this site as > without a doubt one of the > > > best foot controllers and it is sad that in this > day of age good foot > > > controllers are always lacking something like > sending different midi > >comands > > > to different midi channels. The DMC Ground > control does it but it would > >have > > > been nice if it had things like note on /off to > trigger samples ,synth > > > chords etc... don´t know how the lake buttler > could do but it is often > > > mentioned as a great dinasour as well. Why > doesn´t digitech have any > > > interest in further developing the PMC 10? i am > sure they would stir up > >some > > > sales on this list, Don´t you guys think? Let´s > bring up their > >attention! > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:52:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18682; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:52:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:52:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3921B3BD.FC09EF38@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:46:53 -0400 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: References: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"89btX2.0.zY3.fER8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its very interesting, I don't seem to be able to record my looping experiments very successfully at all. As soon as I hit record and think of the loops in terms of 'recordings' I get really hung up about changing them and recording any 'errors' or 'flaws' and so I get really flustered. Now when I'm just looping, I can play for hours and let it all flow and thoroughly enjoy it, but something about pressing record on a non looping device and it changes everything for me. I find this very odd. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 16:50:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17509; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bfbf78$70063920$6887abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Subject: R: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:47:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"l7QrF2.0.4p2.XBR8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I feel the same, also if one of the most fascinating things of looping stays in its temporal weakness. Anyway I am now considering to buy a sampler where I could record my "mother loops". I am also sure that, once I will have it, something will change in my approach. A few months ago I have had an intense opinion exchange with LD: I thought that the most of the loopers where accepting looping as a realtime and volatile event, I have been surprised to notice that the most of you was already using samplers. In a few weeks I will be part of this company too, but there is a strange feeling in doing this step. Luca. Btw, I use multitrack since a lot of years, but that is a matter of composition, different from looping. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Goldstein To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) > > This is an interesting topic. And I have experienced some consciousness > change and entrainment through interacting with my loops. > > This is somewhat related but slightly askew of the topic: > > One of the biggest obstacles to the (self) therapy is that 9 times out of 10 > I create something in the EDP that I want to record (to disk) and use as a > foundation for a composition. And often I wish I would have recorded the > instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the > 'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an > entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi > track, and doing take after take, etc. > > It creates a whole new sense of being a player/composer that the loops can > go for hours or weeks if you don't reset or turn off the power, but are gone > the instant you do. I often get too 'attached' or regret having wiped the > slate, or suffer some anxiety in deciding betwixt the two. > > There are things I'd never be able to re-create and this creates a sense of > 'scarcity' so I get overly 'precious' with the current loops. > > How do others deal with this? (hope I made myself clear) > > > Neil > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 17:19:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15525; Tue, 16 May 2000 17:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:19:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Foot controller PCM 10 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:09:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000516204004.3447.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"3mou73.0.Fj1.eaR8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I am interested...how much? I live in Florida, USA. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Bret [mailto:echoplex@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Foot controller PCM 10 > > > I may regret this later, but I have a PMC 10 and > programmer that I am willing to sell. I bought it to > control edps, gr09 and vg8, but never did. > Send me private email (not to the list please) > echoplex@yahoo.com > bret > --- David Potter wrote: > > I have a rocktron all access ordered but they won't > > be ready for 3 > > months....any other ideas????? Om and Out > > > > > > >From: "Gary Lehmann" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Foot controller > > >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:39:16 -0700 > > > > > >I've got the Mitigator (Lake Butler) and the PMC > > 10, and the Gator can't do > > >half of what the 10 can. It is good, but the PMC > > is an excellent piece of > > >engineering. I agree with Luis, the company is > > stupid not to market what > > >they've already spent their R&D dollars on. If > > enough people ask for it, > > >you bet your boat they'll start makin' em again. > > They've probably still > > >got > > >the parts! > > >Gary > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Luis Angulo > > >To: Loopers delight > > > > >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:57 PM > > >Subject: Foot controller > > > > > > > > > > The PMC 10 is often mentined in this site as > > without a doubt one of the > > > > best foot controllers and it is sad that in this > > day of age good foot > > > > controllers are always lacking something like > > sending different midi > > >comands > > > > to different midi channels. The DMC Ground > > control does it but it would > > >have > > > > been nice if it had things like note on /off to > > trigger samples ,synth > > > > chords etc... don´t know how the lake buttler > > could do but it is often > > > > mentioned as a great dinasour as well. Why > > doesn´t digitech have any > > > > interest in further developing the PMC 10? i am > > sure they would stir up > > >some > > > > sales on this list, Don´t you guys think? Let´s > > bring up their > > >attention! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 17:53:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07863; Tue, 16 May 2000 17:53:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:53:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3921B3BD.FC09EF38@minds-eye.org> References: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:40:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Resent-Message-ID: <"cy68-3.0.Aj.JyR8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps this wanders off topic, and i don't mean to imply any person in particular, but i've noticed that alot of musicians (especially loopers, perhaps?) are somewhat frightened by the aspect of 'documenting' their music in a tangible form. As long as it's in the ether, all is well. Try to actually record it, and some folks get all nervous and concerned about 'fixing' it. Why? I absolutely love recording...Gimme a studio, put a bathroom, shower, and a comfy couch in there and you wouldn't see me for days or weeks...The process of composing, editing, and finalizing my work is where the joy is, and where attention to detail really comes into play. For a dork who doesn't know how to read or write standard notation, this is the only way i know how to truly document my creativity musically. Is 'recording' into a looper, with nothing capturing it other than the power amp and speakers, your family, and the tolerant neighbors create some sort of 'safety net'? That you know even if there are mistakes, no one is really hearing it but you? I understand that feeling...often i'll be playing, or looping, and i'm glad that no one is listening. Like last night, i got a couple of processed drum tracks going at the same time, and i like it. My wife's response? "that's really f*@%ed up" However, i would encourage everyone to commit their work to tape, and let others listen to it. Or go perform it. That's where the water's edge is. It's a whole different thing to let others experience your work. I find it a reality check to see if my work is relevant to others. If they don't like it, which subculture of musical tastes will? Any? All? If so, why? whew...that was more than two cents. And i've been a blabber mouth already, today. bye all, rich >Its very interesting, I don't seem to be able to record my looping experiments >very successfully at all. As soon as I hit record and think of the loops in >terms of 'recordings' I get really hung up about changing them and >recording any >'errors' or 'flaws' and so I get really flustered. Now when I'm just >looping, I >can play for hours and let it all flow and thoroughly enjoy it, but something >about pressing record on a non looping device and it changes everything >for me. > >I find this very odd. > >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 18:17:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30049; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:17:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:17:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Saving my loops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:21:11 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"Uz4sq.0.Wf5.4TS8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another possibility to save loops is probably something many of you have lying around in your homes: A VHS Hi-Fi VCR. These recorders record very good to excellent audio quality and for hours and hours if need be. The beauty of these devices is that at 8 or 9 hours of play there is no loss of quality in the sound. Be sure to buy high quality or heavy duty tapes (such as the kind they suggest for recording over and over to prevent dropouts). So, you could record an entire gig/looping session/whatever and still have room left over....lots of it. Now, the caveats: the recording quality is not that of DAT, it is very good but not quite perfect. Also, some recorders come with terrible compressor devices on them and should be avoided - you might want to see if the model you are interested has this as a feature. I hadn't thought about doing this until the feature set in my VCR as indicated in the manual suggested using it as a high-quality audio recorder. And it's a Realistic brand (Radio Shack) model. Amazing. I actually took all of my 4-track demo tapes and recorded them end to end into a mixer into the VCR and now I've got a VHS backup should I ever need it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 18:42:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26011; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:42:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:42:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Theremins! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:39:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <97.572dabd.2652f78d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"UZGUG1.0.105.XtS8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There was a mini reveiw of a pocket theremin for $200 in the current issue of keyboard magazine. I'm afraid I forget the make. It was very small, and I beleive included a speaker as well as regular output. It only had one 'wand' though, which meant that you couldn't control the volume. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Theremins! In a message dated 5/16/2000 2:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > For those who can afford the *high* price-tag, the Big Briar > Ethervox is considered the professional Theremin, with the > Etherwave being sorta the "Student" model. > What is the price on the unit.. MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 18:44:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28789; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:44:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.3e3ec4a.2653282d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:39:41 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"AKZFR3.0.Lc5.RvS8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/16/00 6:45:45 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, rich@nuvision.com writes: << and closed your eyes and stared at the thing >> is this zenny or what?............:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 19:32:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15626; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:32:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <816E3175F33AD311BFFD00A024011AEF042B34@MTSNMC2> From: Jon Bocock To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: video looping Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:31:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nCWh23.0.gb2.2cT8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone know of a little device that'll buffer an analog video signal, say variable between 0 and 1/2 a second? jb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 19:54:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06895; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:54:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.4281894.26533822@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:47:46 EDT Subject: NJ Gig To: STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, binkyg@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA30744 Resent-Message-ID: <"onb1e.0.2X7.NvT8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At "The Showbarn" ... < 615 East Moss Mill Rd. Smithville, NJ 08201 Sunday May 21st @ 1:30pm $5 in advance through TicketWeb-www.ticketweb.com or call(510)594-1400 or by contacting the Showbarn(609)748-7799. $7 at the door. For additional info contact Matt Custer (609)748-7799... email: theshowbarn@smithvillenj.co "ADELANTE" will feature Paul Mimlitsch on Chapman Stick SB8Ž and Loops/Textures, Dan Osterweil on Saxophones/Flutes, J.Jody Janetta-Drums/Percussion with special guest musicians Paul "Woz" Woznicki on Keyboards/Synths and Tony Mascara Jr. on Percussion/Vibes We are hoping to see you on May 21st... REMEMBER!!!!To check "Adelante's" website for updated info! http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 19:45:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28251; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:45:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <35.544d3a1.26533542@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:35:30 EDT Subject: Re: Saving my loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"pbjcI1.0.ic4.kjT8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com great idea.....one to add...sometimes I play various chords on guitar in a number of different tunings and will forget and writing them down is a hassle...video the good sessions to see the actual playing and have the material on VCR....will give it a try. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 20:44:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13240; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:44:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.56c4edc.2653410a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:25:46 EDT Subject: Re: Saving my loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"F8ErL2.0.sD6.zSU8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the whole dvd market now make recording to VHS tape really cheap. i use this method for collecting material to be broken up into samples later. if i hear a cool moment on tape i have my display to give me the time and location and my VCR imprints on the tape the date it was recorded. lots of great info. i bought a fancy pants Hitachi VCR that was like 400 bucks new off a markdown table for about $217. much cheaper than comparable stuff at a music store. my manual also made the suggestion that it can be used as a high quality audio recorder. if you're into good sound at cheap prices this is a great way to get it. and you now have it in a format that you can pretty much take anywhere. try bringing that DAT or MD to aunty irenas house at Christmas and see how many people will hear it. DAT is great for demos and high quality work but not very quick and easy outside of the house. CD's can do this too though. I will eventually get a burner but right now I can't justify the necessity of one in my set up. $800 for the burner and whatever the going rate for blank CD's is. A few bucks for a good VHS tape and I saved myself the cost of a few blank discs. There are better formats than VHS for sound but the price/performance ratio is hard to beat. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:22:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10789; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39203371.5954@hevanet.com.> References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> <39203371.5954@hevanet.com.> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:20:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex power consumption Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"MwghL.0.Ts1.M5W8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >. >What watts am I using with this box? (I'd like to leave it on all day >;-) >. I measured last week and it was below 10VA. Depends on memory. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:13:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03441; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:13:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:13:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <11.3ccb8b1.26535382@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:44:34 EDT Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"CcNbS.0.A_2.udV8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I go straight to a VS880 and then keep it if I want and then go to Pro Tools or Digital Performer and store it. I hear Beck does this a lot creating sonic collages (songs) from stored chunks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:21:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09737; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:21:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39218A23.4B074EEF@vtx.ch> References: <39218A23.4B074EEF@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:19:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"lOjOj2.0.8c1.G4W8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> >> Aww, pretty please? Since I have my EDP synched to midi, I may never be able >> to get my vortex to synch with it. >> >> bIz >> > >You're right as there is no beat sync sent while in sync:in it sadly >doesnt work in this mode Less bad: If the EDP is slave (Sync = IN), it does not generate pulses to come out of BeatSync or BrotherSync, but the MIDIclock coming in is sent out of the BrotherSync RING. So just adapt your cable using a stereo connector... I just did it and it WORKED! >what it does : > >the plex emulates a vortex tap tempo push at _cycle_ boundaries >when you multiply the cycle is not changed >when you end multiply with quantized/record the plex makes one unified >cycle of the multiples: >a multiplied vortex delay time (check vortex man for delay time limits >handling) Oh, thanks, good trick! Quantized MULTIPLY-RECORD = unify multiples. Mainly interesting for a base built on "granular" short SUS Record... Kims speciality... >when you end multiply with unQ/record the plex makes one cycle off the >just determined time: >a new vortex delay time You say this for Sync = OUT, right? Because with the Sync = IN situation above, you can do any multiply or whatever function and BrotherSync will just continue to translate the incoming MIDIclock. >now when you play some music thru this it depends on ....the music ...which depends on... ? > >Mathias's mod > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html I was not aware of this link... can we somehow change the value of the cap to 2.2 and add this with the Sync direction explanation? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:33:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23897; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:33:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:33:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7b.4281894.26533822@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:59:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: NJ Gig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id WAA04889 Resent-Message-ID: <"wGSk31.0.LD1.x2W8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Paul.... Sorry I can't be there for this....hoping to catch Kennan in Baltimore if I don;t get back in town too late.... Give Jody my best.... Patrick >At "The Showbarn" ... < >615 East Moss Mill Rd. >Smithville, NJ 08201 >Sunday May 21st @ 1:30pm >$5 in advance through TicketWeb-www.ticketweb.com or >call(510)594-1400 or by contacting the >Showbarn(609)748-7799. $7 at the door. >For additional info contact >Matt Custer (609)748-7799... >email: theshowbarn@smithvillenj.co > >"ADELANTE" will feature Paul Mimlitsch on Chapman Stick >SB8Ž and Loops/Textures, Dan Osterweil on Saxophones/Flutes, >J.Jody Janetta-Drums/Percussion with special guest >musicians Paul "Woz" Woznicki on Keyboards/Synths and Tony >Mascara Jr. on Percussion/Vibes > >We are hoping to see you on May 21st... >REMEMBER!!!!To check "Adelante's" website for updated >info! >http://members.aol.com/jodanpaul/adelante.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:03:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27501; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <78.5561478.265352b5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:41:09 EDT Subject: Re: R: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"UJng72.0.Uz1.SZV8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am using an Akai 3000XLCD for sampling From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:50:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29615; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:33:31 -0700 Message-Id: <200005170233.TAA23920@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [204.170.82.236] From: "Bud Happy" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, perille@club-internet.fr Subject: RE: Re : tape echo design Resent-Message-ID: <"Ue2XF.0.wj5.ZJW8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like a great project! I've been using/repairing vintage equipment for years, and 3 head units are by far the most interesting to use. I would suggest, if you are able to locate any, take a look at schematics of some of the more basic units, you might save some time + effort. Keep in touch. All the best, akabak >Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:27:47 +0200 >From: PERILLE >Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re : tape echo design > >> I've posted up on asking info about echo/delay >> pedals...but looking at >> the pieces for them all, i think it would be more >> worth my time to >> create something unique, and that in the end if it >> works (crossing >> fingas) will certainly will be worth the effort. I >> mean there are >> plenty of cheap delays, but having a tape echo would >> be unique. >> >> I was thinking that it would be possible to rig up an >> old reel to reel >> for this (RtoR, the proto 8track, heh). I have an old >> one and I have >> access to another to pull apart. So from here it >> would be looping >> tape, creating pots, and maybe a circuit. Any tips or >> suggestions? I plan to make it a three head, which >> means I need for four head recorders, right? >> >> Someone said that it wouldn't sound of the best >> quality, but then >> again, didn't some old tape echo box use a phone tape?! >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >> http://im.yahoo.com/ >> > >Check out the ECHO-MAGIC product made by the UK company, MAGITEC ltd >at www.magitec.co.uk >mail@magitec.co.uk >"no digital sound" professional Valve Tape Echo > >Emmanuel You are invited to visit: www.akabak.org/VirtualLabs.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail free email Click -> http://weedmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:24:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12390; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:24:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:24:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bfbf34$d1b073f0$141b5d8f@FHZW> References: <000801bfbf34$d1b073f0$141b5d8f@FHZW> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:22:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: show and tell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"JCvQS3.0.-52.o6W8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Willkommen jOCHEN! ... > >In Germany, most musicians don't know how to offer their music >(perhaps mp3.com), nor they can work with other musicians, cause >they simply don't know them. what? musicians dont meet each other any more? MIDI, loops... :-( >So I'm studying possibilities to show musicians their international rights, >demonstrate national and international problems with producers, on line? >And last but not least I hope to offer other musicians loops and >show different results of their works and give'em possibilities to >work together in online-projects. > >In my opinion, music is the language, everyone understands. I say such things myself, but when I read it, I wonder whether the musical language is so interesting because noone really understands it... >- What would you expect from a non-commercial music web-site? music, fun, pictures, personal storys... what do you mean? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 16 22:29:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19821; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:29:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:29:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:26:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop Therapy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z7mJB3.0.cq2.XAW8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd about his one hour loops: >I'm sure it relaxes me since I emerge sort of pleasantly soma'ed out. >But as far as relaxing others, I've no clue. Did you never invite someone to "not think" together with you and see whether it works for them? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 00:02:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06785; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:02:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:02:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3922174B.73B911BC@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:51:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Therapy - Mind / Brain Machines References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_fgoC1.0.3K7.DWX8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rich wrote: > > >I think Aphex Twin, Autechre and others have already tapped the > >psychoactive effects of beat frequencies, inducing alpha states, > >etc. This area has already been explored widely by the New Age and > >Rave crowd. > > I would definitely not turn anybody onto Aphex Twin as some sort of example > of the 'healing' properties of looping or frequency manipulation, however! > > That guy is seriously messed up, IMO. He creates the most dense, > disturbing 'sounds'. At first, i am intrigued, because i've never heard > anybody assemble sound quite like it...then the questions start coming > up..."This isn't right, something's wrong, i am being manipulated here..." Selected Ambient Works Vol.2 is one to get. Easily makes my all time top 10 ambient cds list. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 01:00:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31556; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:00:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <816E3175F33AD311BFFD00A024011AEF042B34@MTSNMC2> References: <816E3175F33AD311BFFD00A024011AEF042B34@MTSNMC2> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:34:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: video looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Brece2.0.cs6.EQY8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:31 PM -0600 5/16/00, Jon Bocock wrote: >does anyone know of a little device that'll buffer an analog video signal, >say variable between 0 and 1/2 a second? > >jb This keeps coming up on a couple of video lists that I am on. The short answer is not at a price you would be willing to pay. BTW you might be interested in the eyecandy list @egroups.com "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 01:27:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12267; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:27:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200005170523.WAA15444@mail12.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [204.170.82.236] From: "Bud Happy" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, smaug@servidor.unam.mx Subject: Theramin Info!! Resent-Message-ID: <"xLEkK1.0.Tc2.WoY8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Theramins! The cost on the big briar Etherwave Signature Series is $369.00 (assembled), the non-signature, $339 assembled, $279 for the kit. Not bad! Good for stage use, very portable. The Ethervox is MIDI, and in addition to theramin function, it can be used to control MIDI synthesizers, lighting displays, or other devices with 7 or 14-bit continuous data. It's a peice of artistry, a testament true to the original look, larger with wood cabinetry. $3,395 Theramin links: The 'Main Page' http://www.thereminworld.com/ *you can order the non signature Etherwave from here Another site: http://mdcm.arts.unsw.edu.au/students98/BawdenH/innovate/4t.html Theramin-esque shareware for windows: http://www.sagebrush.com/mousing.htm Bob Moog's site, to buy direct: http://www.bigbriar.com/ Theramin photos: http://metalab.unc.edu/id/theremin/ Another link...for MOOG ANALOG DELAY (Limited Edition): http://www.bigbriar.com/mf104presrel.htm Of course, the '95 film "Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey" is a must rent. I have a copy. Also, the Roland SP808 has a theramin-like trigger device, using light beams to achieve a theramin effect, as well as acting as a controller. Prof. Theramin himself demonstrates his version of a light beam trigger device in his lab in Russia in the film. Have Fun, akabak >Reply-To: >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Subject: RE: Theremins! >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:39:54 -0700 > >There was a mini reveiw of a pocket theremin for $200 in the current issue >of keyboard magazine. I'm afraid I forget the make. It was very small, and I >beleive included a speaker as well as regular output. It only had one 'wand' >though, which meant that you couldn't control the volume. > >bIz > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Madoud@aol.com [mailto:Madoud@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:12 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Theremins! > > >In a message dated 5/16/2000 2:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > >> For those who can afford the *high* price-tag, the Big Briar >> Ethervox is considered the professional Theremin, with the >> Etherwave being sorta the "Student" model. >> >What is the price on the unit.. MD You are invited to visit: www.akabak.org/VirtualLabs.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ Weedmail free email Click -> http://weedmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 03:45:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11474; Wed, 17 May 2000 03:45:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:45:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 04:41:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Saving my loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"rR40C1.0.Tm1.doa8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Another possibility to save loops is probably something many of you >have lying around in your homes: > >A VHS Hi-Fi VCR. These recorders record very good to excellent audio >quality and for hours and hours if need be. > >The beauty of these devices is that at 8 or 9 hours of play there is >no loss of quality in the sound. Be sure to buy high quality or >heavy duty tapes (such as the kind they suggest for recording over >and over to prevent dropouts). This is really all beautyfull and I liked the sound quality a lot in the beginning but then on all the older tapes the noise of the spinning head started to come through. Its very humid here, so you may be more lucky, but please copy the best parts to a safer media soon... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 05:17:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15571; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:17:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:17:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3922D9D3.59E07E97@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:41:39 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? References: <39218A23.4B074EEF@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CvrXx.0.9r1.Zvb8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > >You're right as there is no beat sync sent while in sync:in it sadly > >doesnt work in this mode > > Less bad: > If the EDP is slave (Sync = IN), it does not generate pulses to come > out of BeatSync or BrotherSync, but the MIDIclock coming in is sent > out of the BrotherSync RING. So just adapt your cable using a stereo > connector... > I just did it and it WORKED! ing.dipl. M. Grob A litle drawing would help is the brother still working normally (Stereo) would this work the same way it does now but in all sync modes ??? > >what it does : > > > >the plex emulates a vortex tap tempo push at _cycle_ boundaries > >when you multiply the cycle is not changed > >when you end multiply with quantized/record the plex makes one unified > >cycle of the multiples: > >a multiplied vortex delay time (check vortex man for delay time limits > >handling) > > Oh, thanks, good trick! Quantized MULTIPLY-RECORD = unify multiples. > Mainly interesting for a base built on "granular" short SUS Record... > Kims speciality... the granular Kim > >when you end multiply with unQ/record the plex makes one cycle off the > >just determined time: > >a new vortex delay time > > You say this for Sync = OUT, right? > Because with the Sync = IN situation above, you can do any multiply > or whatever function and BrotherSync will just continue to translate > the incoming MIDIclock. > > >now when you play some music thru this it depends on ....the music > > ...which depends on... ? pfüüüü... > > > >Mathias's mod > > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html > > I was not aware of this link... can we somehow change the value of > the cap to 2.2 and add this with the Sync direction explanation? Its a link to the mailing list archives I guess you're hired to take all those posts, cut copy paste them and send the result to brother Kim for the Mathias G. interesting posts LD page. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 08:22:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31953; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:22:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3922443F.AB754439@gis.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:03:42 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Tim reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vs7Q_1.0.-t4.6ge8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I see that Tim Reynolds is playing at the Knitting Factory in NYC tonight, an acoustic show. I remember seeing posts about his use of loops; does anyone know if this is true of his acoustic shows? Tried searching the mailing list archive, but came up with no matches to his name. Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 10:22:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15581; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:22:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: R: Looper or multitrack?: (Was Looping Therapy) Message-ID: <0056910005065904000002L142*@MHS> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:58:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/17/00 09:03:59" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA01646 Resent-Message-ID: <"pgZEv3.0.SR.yMg8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In addition to the DAT that I use, I am using a SP-808EX. It is very cool becuase you can add effects and modifiy the loop in other ways. But to make music with the SP-808 is so far more like work, not just play like with the EDP. I have only had it a month, and along with my new ACID program, I feel that I am in for quite a wild ride in the next few months. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 12:57:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28664; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:57:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:53:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"tMPj73.0.jm6.vti8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Neil wrote: > >> >>Even though the looper is a sophisticated processor, for me, it is closer to >>'just playing' (loose and spontaneous) than 'recording and arranging' Chris Chovit reacts: >Yes, and thank goodness! It's amazing with all the incredible technology >that is out there: the most "transparent" and accurate, hands-free >interface between a human and a recording device is still a single >footswitch. ...that does what? Although I tend to agree, I somehow missed your point, Chris... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 12:32:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25819; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Theremins! In-Reply-To: <97.572dabd.2652f78d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WC4hR1.0.686.KXi8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 16 May 2000 Madoud@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/2000 2:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu writes: > > > For those who can afford the *high* price-tag, the Big Briar > > Ethervox is considered the professional Theremin, with the > > Etherwave being sorta the "Student" model. > > > What is the price on the unit.. MD > > For the actual price, you should check the Big Briar site at www.bigbriar.com. My memory is that the Ethervox is about ten times the price of the Etherwave, roughly $3500 compared to $350. But don't forget that the Ethervox is the first MIDI Theremin. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 12:56:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28618; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:56:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:56:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:54:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: EDP tutorial / Musings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"1ZcBM3.0.Eo6.Qui8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Matthias said: >> >> This brings me back to the compliation of the emails that I made in >> the beginning. and then hoped that someone else woud continue: >> Anyone could pick out a subject, search through the archive and >> colect all contributions on that subject and put them as a separate >> file on the site. Its some work, but easy if you are interested in >> searching for the info anyway. >> The ones I made are on the site still, but under "old mailing list > > archive" (which doesnt quite valorize them, huh?) Kim corrected: >actually, I moved them to a more prominent spot. You'll find them in the >"musings" section of the site, under "interesting post series": > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/musings/musings.html oh, right, sorry! I just had a look at it... there is a nice colection under Musings. Does everbody understand what "Musings" means? I didnt, its not my language... Could we add some some other word to explain? Is it clear what we search under "Tips and tricks", and what under "Musings"? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 12:54:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28300; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:54:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3921B3BD.FC09EF38@minds-eye.org> References: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> <3921B3BD.FC09EF38@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:53:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"uEhVP2.0.Ym6.vti8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Its very interesting, I don't seem to be able to record my looping experiments >very successfully at all. As soon as I hit record and think of the loops in >terms of 'recordings' I get really hung up about changing them and >recording any >'errors' or 'flaws' and so I get really flustered. Now when I'm >just looping, I >can play for hours and let it all flow and thoroughly enjoy it, but something >about pressing record on a non looping device and it changes >everything for me. > >I find this very odd. not so much :-) But I think its learnable: I am sure you get used if you record everything you play. Then you listen back to it or not and record over it the next day. the other side: I used to loose the best bits. It still happens, sometimes. Some stupid bad contact or wrong button press exactly when... its as if we dont get the copyright for everything that comes to us :-) Reminds of the drinkers here that pour the first sip on the ground: "for the saints". the work: I spend a lot of time editing my recordings, maybe too much. But it was interesting: I used to listen to a recording a few times or trash it soon because it was "not my day". After some months I go through the tapes again (what a pile!) and immediately hear what is strong (I still remember) and what just a technical fill in. And often the strong parts fit together, as if the real inspiration was one complete chain of ideas, interrupted by some useless "detours". ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 12:56:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28498; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:56:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:56:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:53:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"0C-CR3.0.3n6._ti8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neil said: >...And often I wish I would have recorded the >instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the >'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an >entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi >track, and doing take after take, etc. There must be another way: Record the INPUT of the looper (not yet looped audio) to the audio-sequencer of the computer, together with all the operations (MIDI output of the looper). Then play back the file, feed the computer audio output AND the recorded MIDI operations into the looper again. The loop should become rebuilt exactly as it was. But now you have the whole playing information separately on the computer. So you can cut out wrong notes, change the sequence of the phrases that build the loop, shorten... basically whatever you want, as long as you keep track of the MIDI information that has to be edited correctly together with the audio, otherwhise you loose the original layering easily. The hard part of this method is that you can only listen the whole piece from beginning, otherwhise the loops will be rebuilt wrongly. But then again, you can loop the same bits within the computer and stop to use the external looper. At this point, you have the whole freely looped song under control just as if you had it done by multitracking. Its a shame I never tried this... especially since I am convinced that this will be one of the main recording techniques in the near future (probably with a looper build into the recording software, like POLAR...) >It creates a whole new sense of being a player/composer that the loops can >go for hours or weeks if you don't reset or turn off the power, but are gone >the instant you do. I often get too 'attached' or regret having wiped the >slate, or suffer some anxiety in deciding betwixt the two. As TAO told me, to "disattach" is a very fruitfull exercise in live... I have a hard time with it, especialy with old tapes ;-) And its not the same as devalorize. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 13:29:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14506; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:29:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:29:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3922D640.6F7FD28@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:26:29 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mind / Brain Machines References: <003101bfbf64$5ac3cf00$48310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IiZjd1.0.aW2.RKj8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > You might want to check out the book called Mega Brain > by Michael Hutchison, about the various electro-acoustic > devices ("mind machines") available to the public. > > I was WAY into this in the early 80's. A whole subculture > has grown up around it, like 'Mind Gyms' where folks get > together to bliss out on brain drugs and machines. > > I think Aphex Twin, Autechre and others have already tapped the > psychoactive effects of beat frequencies, inducing alpha states, > etc. This area has already been explored widely by the New Age and > Rave crowd. > > ... has anyone on the list played around with brion gysin's dream machine? -lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 13:45:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21345; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:45:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:45:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3922D9D3.59E07E97@vtx.ch> References: <39218A23.4B074EEF@vtx.ch> <3922D9D3.59E07E97@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:43:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"djGgE3.0.555.Vcj8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> >You're right as there is no beat sync sent while in sync:in it sadly >> >doesnt work in this mode >> >> Less bad: >> If the EDP is slave (Sync = IN), it does not generate pulses to come >> out of BeatSync or BrotherSync, but the MIDIclock coming in is sent >> out of the BrotherSync RING. So just adapt your cable using a stereo >> connector... >> I just did it and it WORKED! > >ing.dipl. M. Grob > >A litle drawing would help :-( > >is the brother still working normally (Stereo) ah, another case... the cable will be an Y then... >would this work the same way it does now but in all sync modes ??? right, well, with Sync = IN only if you really receive a sync. > > >Mathias's mod >> > >> http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/200005/msg00000.html >> >> I was not aware of this link... can we somehow change the value of >> the cap to 2.2 and add this with the Sync direction explanation? > >Its a link to the mailing list archives > >I guess you're hired to take all those posts, cut copy paste them >and send the result to brother Kim for the Mathias G. interesting posts >LD page. Do I know which are the interesting ones? Well, in this case you are right. I will mount a paper on "EDP -> Vortex Sync". ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 13:19:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07632; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:19:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3922D4BA.15D5693@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:19:58 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: s. dempster (was Looping Therapy) References: <97.55c70a3.265042ac@aol.com> <006901bfbf5c$93fd2300$dd1c4518@gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D218o.0.M_.aEj8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Green wrote: > ...Has anybody here heard of the avant-gard trombonist Stuart Dempster? His > site: http://faculty.washington.edu/dempster/ . He does some amazing things > with a groups called the Deep Listening Band and Sound Massage Parlour . > Like play with a group of trombone players in an old cistern with a 45 > second reverberation.... thanks for the url. stuart dempster is extraordinary. i have a vinyl pressing of his "In the Great Abbey of Clement VI" which i've just about worn out (i think there's a cd out on new albion). awesome work with standing waves and multiphonics. highly recommend. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 14:17:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25320; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:17:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:19:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack? Resent-Message-ID: <"zhQ5p2.0.F26.V5k8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Neil wrote: >> >>> >>>Even though the looper is a sophisticated processor, for me, it is closer to >>>'just playing' (loose and spontaneous) than 'recording and arranging' > >Chris Chovit reacts: >>Yes, and thank goodness! It's amazing with all the incredible technology >>that is out there: the most "transparent" and accurate, hands-free >>interface between a human and a recording device is still a single >>footswitch. > >...that does what? >Although I tend to agree, I somehow missed your point, Chris... I was just commenting how, with all the wonderful technology available, that the best way to start and stop loops is still pressing a stupid little button (100 year old technology). But, i imagine that we will need direct neural interfaces before we improve on that design... - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 14:57:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29687; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:57:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:42:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dQaQF.0.Vs6.IXk8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:53 PM -0300 5/17/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >Neil said: >>...And often I wish I would have recorded the >>instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the >>'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an >>entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi >>track, and doing take after take, etc. > >There must be another way: >Record the INPUT of the looper (not yet looped audio) to the >audio-sequencer of the computer, together with all the operations >(MIDI output of the looper). >Then play back the file, feed the computer audio output AND the >recorded MIDI operations into the looper again. The loop should >become rebuilt exactly as it was. This is exactly what I do. My bass has a separate output for each string, they run into a Yamaha 03D mixer. The ADAT optical output of the mixer is split by a midiman digipatch, so it can go to two places: a 9600 running mutltrack recording software and a G3 running my own looping stuff. Channels 1-4 are the direct outs of the bass (and any other mics, synths or whatever) and they get recorded dry, along with the MIDI data which controls the looper, so that the loop can be rebuilt with an edit, remixed, etc. Channels 5-8 are the quad looper outputs, and they get recorded into the multitrack as well. Just last week I found that on a new 500Mhz powerbook, I can run several loopers AND record their signals to a little firewire disk drive, so I am pretty excited that I'll finally be able to move my instrument by myself again this year, and put an end to these recurring dreams that the band is starting and I am still unloading my van! -Alex S. >But now you have the whole playing information separately on the computer. >So you can cut out wrong notes, change the sequence of the phrases >that build the loop, shorten... basically whatever you want, as long >as you keep track of the MIDI information that has to be edited >correctly together with the audio, otherwhise you loose the original >layering easily. >The hard part of this method is that you can only listen the whole >piece from beginning, otherwhise the loops will be rebuilt wrongly. >But then again, you can loop the same bits within the computer and >stop to use the external looper. At this point, you have the whole >freely looped song under control just as if you had it done by >multitracking. > >Its a shame I never tried this... especially since I am convinced >that this will be one of the main recording techniques in the near >future (probably with a looper build into the recording software, >like POLAR...) > >>It creates a whole new sense of being a player/composer that the loops can >>go for hours or weeks if you don't reset or turn off the power, but are gone >>the instant you do. I often get too 'attached' or regret having wiped the >>slate, or suffer some anxiety in deciding betwixt the two. > >As TAO told me, to "disattach" is a very fruitfull exercise in >live... I have a hard time with it, especialy with old tapes ;-) >And its not the same as devalorize. > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 15:51:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08624; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:51:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:51:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000517194311.2805.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: New PMC 10 at Ebay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"yGEY-3.0.6W1.MPl8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FYI pmc 10 seekers, there is a brand new pmc 10 at ebay, Item #333403448 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=333403448 It is not mine, bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 16:43:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25441; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:43:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3923028A.A0A3D73F@engin.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:35:28 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: VG-8 and looping References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pzmQs.0.Qc3.EAm8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have recently been looking around for ways to get new sounds out of my guitar....apart from post-processing and looping I am also curious about changing my guitar sound on the fly before it gets to either my looper or my recording hardware. Hence my interest in the Roland VG-8. Is anyone using the VG-8 as part of their looping rig ? How are you using it ? For those who are wondering what the heck I am talking about, you can find out more about the "Virtual Guitar" system at http://www.vg-8.com cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 17:25:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28807; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:25:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:25:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39230863.E031B51C@quik.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:00:19 -0700 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: References: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eIfOo3.0.e43.zem8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 rich wrote: > > Perhaps this wanders off topic, and i don't mean to imply any person in > particular, but i've noticed that alot of musicians (especially loopers, > perhaps?) are somewhat frightened by the aspect of 'documenting' their > music in a tangible form. As long as it's in the ether, all is well. Try > to actually record it, and some folks get all nervous and concerned about > 'fixing' it. It's alot like the attitude of some jazzers. The improvizational aspect of many folks looping is quite dear to them, and 'fixing' it to tape is like trying to capture the wind. Regardless, I tape my loop improvizations frequently to document them. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 17:25:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28173; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:25:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005a01bfc046$d710a820$7087abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: voltage pedals Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:26:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01BFC057.55C00AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7C4oV3.0.2x5.3rm8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BFC057.55C00AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there any valid alternative to Roland ev-5 voltage pedal ? I have to use it for a gtr 4000 eventide to control its parameters. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BFC057.55C00AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is there any valid alternative to = Roland ev-5=20 voltage pedal ?
I have to use it for a gtr 4000 = eventide to control=20 its parameters.
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BFC057.55C00AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 17:57:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22208; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: dempster diving (slightly OT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gxQqK.0.6-4.yJn8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another interesting Stuart Dempster recording is called "Raga for the Rainy Season" by "Pran," a duet with fellow trombonist Greg Powers. The music itself is traditional North Indian classical dhrupad format, but most likely the first time ever performed by a trombonist. Dempster plays the tonic drone throughout on a modified didjeridu with a flared brass bell. No electronic looping, just real-time drone keeping. But absolutely astonishing tonal qualities, from both the 'bone and the drone. Available from www.sparklingbeatnik.com -----Original Message----- From: lance glover To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: s. dempster (was Looping Therapy) > > >David Green wrote: > >> ...Has anybody here heard of the avant-gard trombonist Stuart Dempster? His >> site: http://faculty.washington.edu/dempster/ . He does some amazing things >> with a groups called the Deep Listening Band and Sound Massage Parlour . >> Like play with a group of trombone players in an old cistern with a 45 >> second reverberation.... > >thanks for the url. stuart dempster is extraordinary. i have a vinyl pressing >of his "In the Great Abbey of Clement VI" which i've just about worn out (i >think there's a cd out on new albion). awesome work with standing waves and >multiphonics. highly recommend. > > >lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 17:57:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22150; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:57:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Looper or multitrack?: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:39:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39230863.E031B51C@quik.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"tP-6I3.0.d82.u4n8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com rich wrote: > > Perhaps this wanders off topic, and i don't mean to imply any person in > particular, but i've noticed that alot of musicians (especially loopers, > perhaps?) are somewhat frightened by the aspect of 'documenting' their > music in a tangible form. As long as it's in the ether, all is well. Try > to actually record it, and some folks get all nervous and concerned about > 'fixing' it. Also, as long as the music is only heard once, and with the musician in front of you, the mistakes are harder to hear, and it sucks less. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 18:13:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05460; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200005172206.PAA17854@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:06:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e3spk1.0.px7.6Wn8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't tape or record ever! Speaking of Jazzers,I have always quoted the wise words of the great Eric Dolphy back in the early 60s: "When you hear music, after it's over it's gone in the air. You can never capture it again." A more pure statement I have never heard...GOINLOOPY...STANNER ---------- >From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: >Date: Wed, May 17, 2000, 1:00 PM > > 93 > > rich wrote: >> >> Perhaps this wanders off topic, and i don't mean to imply any person in >> particular, but i've noticed that alot of musicians (especially loopers, >> perhaps?) are somewhat frightened by the aspect of 'documenting' their >> music in a tangible form. As long as it's in the ether, all is well. Try >> to actually record it, and some folks get all nervous and concerned about >> 'fixing' it. > > It's alot like the attitude of some jazzers. The improvizational aspect > of many folks looping is quite dear to them, and 'fixing' it to tape is > like trying to capture the wind. Regardless, I tape my loop > improvizations frequently to document them. > > 93 > Rev. Doubt-Goat > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 18:53:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27856; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:53:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41304B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looper or multitrack?: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:47:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"7EPC.0.L26.f7o8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ** ya know, there are classical conductors who refuse to be recorded as well. i prefer live recording or recording with no overdubs. give me the warts. (not to say that i won't edit occasionally.) stig >> It's alot like the attitude of some jazzers. The improvizational aspect of many folks looping is quite dear to them, and 'fixing' it to tape is like trying to capture the wind. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 18:58:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32750; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:58:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:58:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017a01bfc04f$813d70a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <03c001bfbf73$b82f11e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> <39230863.E031B51C@quik.com> Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:30:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"hga941.0.zg4.L0o8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > 93 > > rich wrote: > > > > Perhaps this wanders off topic, and i don't mean to imply any person in > > particular, but i've noticed that alot of musicians (especially loopers, > > perhaps?) are somewhat frightened by the aspect of 'documenting' their > > music in a tangible form. As long as it's in the ether, all is well. Try > > to actually record it, and some folks get all nervous and concerned about > > 'fixing' it. > > It's alot like the attitude of some jazzers. The improvizational aspect > of many folks looping is quite dear to them, and 'fixing' it to tape is > like trying to capture the wind. Regardless, I tape my loop > improvizations frequently to document them. > > 93 > Rev. Doubt-Goat > I'm usually too lazy to record any particularly cool loops I come up with. Instead, I'll sometimes write down what I did (what combination of effect patches, delay settings, etc) and try to recreate it later. Very often, the attempt at repeating what I did before results in something even better (or sometimes just weirder). Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 18:46:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23119; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:46:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:46:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:41:30 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Resent-Message-ID: <"bE-lZ.0.Bs4.-0o8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> 05/17 3:09 PM >>> I don't tape or record ever! Speaking of Jazzers,I have always quoted the wise words of the great Eric Dolphy back in the early 60s: "When you hear music, after it's over it's gone in the air. You can never capture it again." A more pure statement I have never heard...GOINLOOPY...STANNER As much as I want to document my travails, as well as capture the moment, I feel very similar... It's mostly about the process of playing, reacting, being involved in real time. Especially with limited time (day job woes here... violins please!) it becomes hard to invest time in the tech side... want to get the playing in motion... Buddhist, existential process tells me to let it fly, then walk away. I KNOW this is probably short-sighted, and I am going to try to re-boot my recording process, but I'm sure many of you can relate. Loopy is right... It's getting worse minute by minute! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 18:52:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26827; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:52:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39239868.B64E124D@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:14:48 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: References: <200005172206.PAA17854@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"28Pt81.0.-a2.rpn8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > I don't tape or record ever! Speaking of Jazzers,I have always quoted the > wise words of the great Eric Dolphy back in the early 60s: "When you hear > music, after it's over it's gone in the air. You can never capture it > again." A more pure statement I have never heard...GOINLOOPY...STANNER > just reopening my eyes from a half an hour wonderful trip vith vortex and plexes and f...ng wondering why I didnt put the DAT on record then stared at the computer and seing that I was still online with you all (almost 1 1/2 h) then reading just that above blurb thats too much for tonight Good night fellows Going loopy.... My ass Claude PS: :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 20:05:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29399; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:05:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: the ultimate echo Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:26:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED4283013867E0@deimos.tld.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"cnUTj2.0.U56.98p8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's definitely disgusting sick perversion... I'm already saving up. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Turi [mailto:Mark@tld.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:47 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: the ultimate echo One echoplex per string on a guitar with 6 outs ... is the obsessive? Or compulsive? > Uh I understand my partner Shaun Vance ( up here in Vancouver ) ordered the > 6 echoplex(s) .. are you shipping them ups overnight ? > Mark, I've got the order ready to go, but we haven't settled on shipment yet. I'll send a tracking number as soon as I get one. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 19:44:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09829; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:44:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:44:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41304B7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looper or multitrack?: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:36:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"3YbGW2.0.JR.Jro8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As much as I want to document my travails, as well as capture the moment, I feel very similar... It's mostly about the process of playing, reacting, being involved in real time. Especially with limited time (day job woes here... violins please!) it becomes hard to invest time in the tech side... want to get the playing in motion... Buddhist, existential process tells me to let it fly, then walk away. ** on that other side of things . . . i feel that one of the best ways to grow when in dad/day job mode is to actually record oneself in order to listen back and figure out what works, etc. you get to listen to your reactions, not just feel them in the moment (which is also good), and hear if they are really good decisions. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 20:33:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22619; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:33:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:33:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:32:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Resent-Message-ID: <"Tg_gY3.0.s04.UZp8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>> 05/17 3:09 PM >>> >I don't tape or record ever! Speaking of Jazzers,I have always >quoted the wise words of the great Eric Dolphy back in the early 60s: >"When you hear music, after it's over it's gone in the air. You can >never capture it again." A more pure statement I have never >heard...GOINLOOPY...STANNER i'm gonna have to disagree with that statement in context with the thread. if society operated on such a pure, 'be in the moment' sort of way, i am sure we would have also figured out a way better way to experience ephemeral phenomena. But we don't, and we have spent alot of time, money and technology on processes and equipment that documents sound, words, projections, whatever. I wish i could have been there in the studio watching Miles and Trane blowing at the 'kind of blue' sessions, but ya know what, i wasn't even born yet. Does the fact that i wore the grooves off the record say anything about what was 'CAPTURED'? Or did it all go into the air, and the recording means nothing? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 20:59:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01962; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:59:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:35:11 EDT Subject: Re: NJ Gig To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"M-pN.0.hi5.bhp8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/17/00 2:33:50 AM, patrick@his.com writes: << Sorry I can't be there for this....hoping to catch Kennan in Baltimore if I don;t get back in town too late....>> No sweat. Once this hectic summer gets through (big home renovation project starting shortly) I'll be in touch about that Loop Show thing I'm working on (talked to you about it a few months back). Still in the planning stages - mainly convincing the venue that it's a good thing - waiting to hear back from them. Fingers crossed. <> Will do. Have you heard anything from Siobhan Canty? What's she up to? Take care, Stay in touch, and give Steev my best.... - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 21:38:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05651; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:38:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009601bfc067$8144d6c0$56601840@computer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: Subject: Looping with Guit. Proc. Digitech 2120 -- 10 sec delay Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:22:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"zbnMS3.0.ZB5.qLq8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those who are considering a good guitar preamp and effect, Digitech Artist 2120 is a good one, especially for those obsessed with delays and looping desires. It has up to 10 seconds of delay (caution: it's usually advertised with 5 sec, but it does have 10 in fact!) which can be controled in many ways through FC, so that looping with it is quite easy. It also has 5 second sampler, ready with overdub and other options. petr pepetr@crnet.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 17 21:42:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08108; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:42:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:25:35 EDT Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"xJCQv2.0.zd6.-Qq8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/17/00 9:46:03 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << It's getting worse minute by minute! -Miko >> miko.......please dont jump!...............:)..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 00:12:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28704; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:12:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:12:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b001bfc07a$ecc46420$53c5d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Paul Sullivan" , Subject: Re: Tim reynolds Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:41:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_4JbA1.0.JH4.QQs8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah there should be plenty of looping even at the acoustic show...in fact, if it's a solo show I would be inclined to think that there would be MORE looping going on than usual. Do check him out. It's odd that his name didn't come up in the archive. I know that 4 or 5 months back I was in the midst of some threads about him. >I see that Tim Reynolds is playing at the Knitting Factory in NYC >tonight, an acoustic show. I remember seeing posts about his use of >loops; does anyone know if this is true of his acoustic shows? Tried >searching the mailing list archive, but came up with no matches to his >name. > >Thanks, > >Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 03:18:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25112; Thu, 18 May 2000 03:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 03:18:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:01:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"OkkdY3.0.s73.IIv8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 1:53 PM -0300 5/17/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Neil said: >>>...And often I wish I would have recorded the >>>instruments/lines on separate tracks from the start. But now in the >>>'perfection' of the moment, they're all on one mono track! Of course an >>>entirely different type of music and feel results from starting on a multi >>>track, and doing take after take, etc. >> >>There must be another way: >>Record the INPUT of the looper (not yet looped audio) to the >>audio-sequencer of the computer, together with all the operations >>(MIDI output of the looper). >>Then play back the file, feed the computer audio output AND the >>recorded MIDI operations into the looper again. The loop should >>become rebuilt exactly as it was. > > >This is exactly what I do. My bass has a separate output for each string, >they run into a Yamaha 03D mixer. The ADAT optical output of the >mixer is split by a midiman digipatch, so it can go to two places: a >9600 running mutltrack recording software and a G3 running my own >looping stuff. > >Channels 1-4 are the direct outs of the bass (and any other mics, >synths or whatever) and they get recorded dry, along with the MIDI >data which controls the looper, so that the loop can be rebuilt with >an edit, remixed, etc. > >Channels 5-8 are the quad looper outputs, and they get recorded into >the multitrack as well. > >Just last week I found that on a new 500Mhz powerbook, I can run >several loopers AND record their signals to a little firewire disk >drive, so I am pretty excited that I'll finally be able to move my >instrument by myself again this year, and put an end to these >recurring dreams that the band is starting and I am still unloading >my van! > >-Alex S. > great! you are full of computers... I did not quite understand whether you rebuild the loops using the external looper again (which is it?) or by mounting loops in the mltitrack soft. What do you mean by "my own looping stuff"? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 03:40:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11650; Thu, 18 May 2000 03:40:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 03:40:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41304B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41304B5@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:08:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Looper or multitrack?: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"BAdjF1.0.ML3.GPv8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >** ya know, there are classical conductors who refuse to be recorded as >well. > >i prefer live recording or recording with no overdubs. give me the warts. >(not to say that i won't edit occasionally.) > >stig > >>> It's alot like the attitude of some jazzers. The improvizational aspect > of many folks looping is quite dear to them, and 'fixing' it to tape is > like trying to capture the wind. My father only listened to the radio when he new that the orchestra would play in the studio and be transmitted real time. He also did not like stereo :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 08:45:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03767; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000518090905.0095cea0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: mayr65/pop.dial.pipex.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:14:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Steve Newland Subject: Looping MP3 files up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"RhKbU2.0.Fz7.ckz8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, For your pleasure or pain, I finally got round to putting a couple of looping mp3 files up. www.mp3.com/stevenew Just me a guitar, EDP and a Boss GX700. Regards Steve Newland From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 09:51:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19076; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:51:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:51:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:32:25 EDT Subject: Re: New PMC 10 at Ebay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <"3lEr52.0.dX1.G4_8v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am unfamiliar with the PMC 10 ....could someone tell me about its capabilities and assets....I have a lot of midi gear sound modules, edps and such.....how can this be an asset to my studio......I just bought a Motu MTP USB iterface for my Mac....how can this footcontroller help me. thanks MD From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 11:39:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12079; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:39:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:39:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <09c601bfc0dc$086702d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VaxMx2.0.r36.ca09v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This is exactly what I do. My bass has a separate output for each string, >they run into a Yamaha 03D mixer. The ADAT optical output of the >mixer is split by a midiman digipatch, so it can go to two places: a >9600 running mutltrack recording software and a G3 running my own >looping stuff. > . . . Alex, you need to post a system diagram! Your set-up sounds marvelous! Kim, could we add a page to the LD website for such diagrams? A variety, from simple to complex, would be educational to many. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 12:07:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25479; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:07:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:44:38 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com Subject: Re: RE: Looper or multitrack?: Resent-Message-ID: <"gIrwx.0.7E4.i019v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As much as I want to document my travails, as well as capture the moment, I feel very similar... It's mostly about the process of playing, reacting, being involved in real time. Especially with limited time (day job woes here... violins please!) it becomes hard to invest time in the tech side... want to get the playing in motion... Buddhist, existential process tells me to let it fly, then walk away. >>> "Liebig, Steuart A." 05/17 4:42 PM >>> ** on that other side of things . . . i feel that one of the best ways to grow when in dad/day job mode is to actually record oneself in order to listen back and figure out what works, etc. you get to listen to your reactions, not just feel them in the moment (which is also good), and hear if they are really good decisions. stig I hear ya Stig... It's one of those pendulum like things where I manage to do it for a spell... then cave in and just play. Once I've got a dedicated playing space in my home, I believe I'll get more recording done. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 12:17:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31479; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:17:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:55:42 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, rich@nuvision.com Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Resent-Message-ID: <"0Bbjk2.0.fq5.hA19v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>> 05/17 3:09 PM >>> >> I don't tape or record ever! Speaking of Jazzers,I have always quoted the wise words of the great Eric Dolphy back in the early 60s: "When you hear music, after it's over it's gone in the air. You can >never capture it again." A more pure statement I have never heard...GOINLOOPY...STANNER I've kind of sided with Stanner here philosophically, but do indeed believe that hearing tapes of my playing has helped me learn what not to do (and grow) as well as surprise me with moments far beyond my expectations. It can be painful as well as really inspiring to hear that stuff. >>> rich 05/17 5:32 PM >>> > I wish i could have been there in the studio watching Miles and Trane blowing at the 'kind of blue' sessions, but ya know what, i wasn't even born yet. Does the fact that i wore the grooves off the record say anything about what was 'CAPTURED'? Or did it all go into the air, and the recording means nothing? rich One note here... I'm certain that if I had someone to engineer the damn recording, I'd be less bogged down with the physical requirements of home recording. To do it at home, I have to usually go with direct inject, monitored by headphones... I get REALLY TIRED of that particular process. Now if I had a more sound proofed environment, I might enjoy it more recording direct using studio monitors, or better yet... mic-ing an amp or speaker in a closet and listening to studio monitors. I'd be more motivated with a slightly higher quality environment. (Which I'm going to try to arrange soon...) I HAVE been recording rehearsals with other using a pair of mics and rather enjoying the warmer results. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 13:35:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20453; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:35:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:35:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <09c601bfc0dc$086702d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <09c601bfc0dc$086702d0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:18:06 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"5x5O83.0.4e2.rN29v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Alex, you need to post a system diagram! Your set-up sounds marvelous! OK, I will try and do that, but first I gotta draw a decent digram. Maybe I can just find some clip-art from an Italian cookbook... > >Kim, could we add a page to the LD website for such diagrams? A variety, from >simple to complex, would be educational to many. I wouldn't have anywhere else to put a drawing, and I wouldn;t want to mail it to the list... > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 13:33:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19675; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:33:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <036801bfbf65$85ebf9e0$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:14:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"YJRMm2.0.qS2.cK29v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:01 AM -0300 5/18/00, Matthias Grob wrote: > >great! you are full of computers... it was an accident, honest :-) and I really do have these recurring "setting up equipment in front of an audience" dreams. Maybe I should just accept it and call it performance art. Didn't Fripp do something like that when he was learning how to use the DSP4000? Anyway, I have lost track of the difference between rack mount digital audio devices and computers. My reverb, tape recorder and harmonizer all crash and have to be rebooted sometimes, plus many new mixers, multitrack recorders and even reverbs take so long to turn on there must be Windows inside. Moreover, if I refrain from using a computer for anything but very specific music applications, it runs reliably enough. In fact it works better than using a tape splicer to open mail envelopes, know what I mean? >I did not quite understand whether you rebuild the loops using the >external looper again (which is it?) or by mounting loops in the >mltitrack soft. Both. Rebuilding through an external looper is useful if there is one or two clams which snuck into an otherwise happy loop. Putting up recorded loops in multitrack software, and looping the loops, or rearranging fragments of them is often more interesting however, because it is like improvising in the recording environment-- you quickly stumble upon serendipitous surprises and are always working with something fresh. Presentation not representation and all that. >What do you mean by "my own looping stuff"? Well, for a long time I have been keeping a haphazard journal, designing an instrument to help break down the barriers between playing, composing, recording, sampling, editing and mixing. I find these distinctions highly arbitrary and for the most part side effects of technological habits. About three years ago I "got it" that personal computers were fast enough to allow mere mortals to fool around with DSP coding, without having to worry *too much* about optimization and more arcane programming issues. I started writing a looper in James McCartney's SuperCollider, then migrated to Cycling74's Max/MSP since I happened to live down the street from the UC Berkeley Center for New Music and Audio Technologies (CNMAT). A lot of nice people at CNMAT have done wonders with Max and have been an inspiration to me. So, "My own looping stuff" is a rather huge Max/MSP patch that I have mentioned here a few times before, plus a bunch of more traditional outboard gear and a digital mixer under MIDI footpedal control. I certainly appreciate boxes like the EDP but for my own purposes, I want a lot more flexibility in transforming loops on the fly, while continuing to play into them. "Live editing" is probably a better description of what I am trying to do than looping, not that I do not enjoy simple repetition and layering. I will probably end up giving this stuff away since I am a terrible entrepreneur, but not until it works the way I want it to. Since I am unfortunately way too busy with a day job and a family to devote a lot of time to the project, it could be another year. But it is getting there slowly but surely. If anyone knows how to sell un-copy-protected software for a very fair price without losing more money on marketing than you make giving it away, let me know! I don't need to make money on it, it is a labor of love, but I cannot afford to provide fair tech support for free. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 18:03:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21719; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:03:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:16:10 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MMDVC2.0.ju7.jv49v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've enjoyed learning what music you've all been listening to lately. i thought it was also interesting to know what others on the list were reading (some time ago this thread passed through...). to wit, my current reading list update: the roaring silence: john cage: a life / revill the journals of lewis & clark / edited by de voto tales of beatnik glory / sanders the man with the golden arm / algren beatles: a day in the life / schultheiss studies and further studies in a dying culture / caudwell lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 18:47:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21835; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:47:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:47:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000518221631.898.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"KXc9d2.0.Lh7.7l69v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > then migrated to Cycling74's Max/MSP i see that it's official - Cycing74 now owns MAX. kool! I've been lusting after MAX for a while now, but since i get my (wintel) computers free from work, i've hesitated getting a Mac. I am leaning a bit closer now though.... > So, "My own looping stuff" is a rather huge Max/MSP > patch that I have > mentioned here a few times before, plus a bunch of > more traditional > outboard gear and a digital mixer under MIDI > footpedal control. Do you know jhno? He's been working with c74 & Pluggo for a while...& doing looping with MAX/MSP. he & others are doing a gig this weekend at Natoma in celebration of the aquisition of MAX. Unfortunately the big sur experimental music festival is this weekend too, or else i'd go. In what ways does the digital mixer respond to midi? stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 19:42:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25412; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:42:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Looper -> multitrack Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000518221631.898.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WJwYS.0.lX7.XV79v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> then migrated to Cycling74's Max/MSP > >i see that it's official - Cycing74 now owns MAX. >kool! I've been lusting after MAX for a while now, >but since i get my (wintel) computers free from work, >i've hesitated getting a Mac. I am leaning a bit >closer now though.... MAX is being ported as we speak. I'm not sure how much longer before we see a PC version, but it can't be long. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 21:06:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21347; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:06:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000518221631.898.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000518221631.898.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:32:19 -0700 To: Stephen , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZCMGH3.0.FX.0n89v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:16 PM -0700 5/18/00, Stephen wrote: > > then migrated to Cycling74's Max/MSP > >i see that it's official - Cycing74 now owns MAX. >kool! I've been lusting after MAX for a while now, >but since i get my (wintel) computers free from work, >i've hesitated getting a Mac. I am leaning a bit >closer now though.... Yeah, well, I have the opposite problem...I need a wintel machine for CAD and get Macs cheap through work...but bias aside the new Macs are not bad! > > > So, "My own looping stuff" is a rather huge Max/MSP > > patch that I have > > mentioned here a few times before, plus a bunch of > > more traditional > > outboard gear and a digital mixer under MIDI > > footpedal control. > >Do you know jhno? He's been working with c74 & Pluggo >for a while...& doing looping with MAX/MSP. he & >others are doing a gig this weekend at Natoma in >celebration of the aquisition of MAX. Unfortunately >the big sur experimental music festival is this >weekend too, or else i'd go. Yikes, David Zicarelli keeps telling me to spend time with jhno. Can you tell me more about this gig? I was planning to go to Big Sur, but might not be able to, and another Max party could be fun. > >In what ways does the digital mixer respond to midi? Basically I have four settings of faders levels and aux sends which are in the "corners" of an imaginary "timbre space", and moving a joystick or two pedals provides a smooth "morph" between the four settings. So typically "lower left" is dry, upper left is some weird harmonizer thing, lower right is cathedral reverb, and upper right is cathedral reverb plus massive distortion... so for example while bowing a drone it can move from "acoustic" to "orchestral" to "substation overload" and back. I guess you can do this kind of thing inside a single effects box these days, but it's a lot more fun to watch 16 faders move around as your push down a pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 18 21:46:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13734; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:46:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:46:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:29:35 EDT Subject: loop related stuff on eBay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"7RZlq.0.n92.7b99v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334719756 this is a 360 systems slavedriver guitar/synthesizer i don't know much about this kind of thing but the desription of th item sounds pretty cool. i pulled it up on a search for all things EMU. this guy in another auction is selling the painting with guitar david torn tapes. that's at: http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=332306962 thought i'd spread the word all the best, peter b From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 02:47:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02662; Fri, 19 May 2000 02:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:47:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFC16E.A4C1F080.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: re: current reading? (OT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:16:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8__7R.0.EF.dAE9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i thought it was also interesting to know > what others on the list were reading currently, I'm reading an old German book about birdsong. Why do birds sing, what is learned and what is inherited, what are the songs like, and what else is there to learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely interested in the detailed structure of birdsong, and excited about the possibilities of time-stretching software to reveal what would otherwise pass much too fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online sound diary for an example). A few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book about the Superstring Theory: The Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting read. The one underlying principle of the universe really seems to be vibration, oscillation - waves, or perhaps, in terms of musicians, music and harmony. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 09:53:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29269; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:53:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:53:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: dinamic1-53.drago.net [195.76.196.53] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000519142417.008cd100@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:24:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "R.Mutt" Subject: re: current reading? (OT) In-Reply-To: <01BFC16E.A4C1F080.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA23716 Resent-Message-ID: <"s1R94.0.lp5.NOK9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:16 a.m. 19/05/00 +0200, you wrote: duchamp du signe / marcel duchamp entrevista a john cage / richard kostelanetz antología del humor negro / andré breton ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// D o c t o r S a x N e w s New CD-R Release ! Price: 3 EUROS (including packing & postage) or trading for a cd / tape of your music. http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 13:19:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18623; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:19:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:19:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: bets@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:04:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) Subject: re: current reading? (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"oZgJj2.0.u84.ZEN9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com michael, i assume you know about olivier messiaen's word with birdsong, no? if not, look it up in a music history book, it's pretty interesting! >> i thought it was also interesting to know >> what others on the list were reading > >currently, I'm reading an old German book about birdsong. Why do birds >sing, what is learned and what is inherited, what are the songs like, and >what else is there to learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely >interested in the detailed structure of birdsong, and excited about the >possibilities of time-stretching software to reveal what would otherwise >pass much too fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online sound diary for >an example). > >A few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book about the Superstring Theory: >The Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting read. The one underlying >principle of the universe really seems to be vibration, oscillation - >waves, or perhaps, in terms of musicians, music and harmony. > > >= michael peters >= electronic music & strange attractors >= http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb * * * * * * * * * God made everything out of nothing. But the nothingness shows through. -- Valery * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 15:19:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15054; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:19:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: bets@shell11.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:18:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bets@she-bop.org (Betsey Biggs) Subject: Re: emu? Resent-Message-ID: <"Qo6LI1.0.ya3.WBP9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the vk-7 is pretty cool for hammong sounds, too... kinda pricey though ($1500). also, the voce module is supposed to be great. bb >speaking of emu, has anyone played around with their new "b3" box? looks >pretty cool. 'sposed to do (almost) everything a hammond does without >chiropractor bills... > > >lance g. * * * * * * * * * God made everything out of nothing. But the nothingness shows through. -- Valery * * * * * * * * * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 15:27:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18481; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:27:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3925922E.1FE5AD0E@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:14:38 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: emu? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F0606EF089C752E6733D5305" Resent-Message-ID: <"dY-8s.0.kJ3.Y4P9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------F0606EF089C752E6733D5305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Echophazer@aol.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334719756 > > this is a 360 systems slavedriver guitar/synthesizer > > i don't know much about this kind of thing but the desription of th item > sounds pretty cool. i pulled it up on a search for all things EMU. this guy > in another auction is selling the painting with guitar david torn tapes. > that's at: > http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=332306962 > > thought i'd spread the word > > all the best, > peter b speaking of emu, has anyone played around with their new "b3" box? looks pretty cool. 'sposed to do (almost) everything a hammond does without chiropractor bills... lance g. --------------F0606EF089C752E6733D5305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Echophazer@aol.com wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334719756

this is a 360 systems slavedriver guitar/synthesizer

i don't know much about this kind of thing but the desription of th item
sounds pretty cool. i pulled it up on a search for all things EMU. this guy
in another auction is selling the painting with guitar david torn tapes.
that's at:
http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=332306962

thought i'd spread the word

all the best,
peter b

speaking of emu, has anyone played around with their new "b3" box? looks pretty cool. 'sposed to do (almost) everything a hammond does without chiropractor bills...
 

lance g.
 
 
  --------------F0606EF089C752E6733D5305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 15:48:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04313; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:36:46 -0500 From: Mike McGary Subject: RE: emu? In-reply-to: <3925922E.1FE5AD0E@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"0w9Fh3.0.4e7.bYP9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > speaking of emu, has anyone played around with their new "b3" box? looks pretty cool. > 'sposed to do (almost) everything a hammond does without chiropractor bills... I've had an Emu Vintage Keys for years...the b3 sounds are wonderful. I haven't experimented too much with changing the sound on the fly with it since the drawbar settings are kinda set in the sample. I recently picked up a Kurzweil PC2X controller keyboard. An added bonus was the amazing hammand sounds it makes! The leslie is jaw-dropping, and you can flip it into a mode where the sliders adjust the drawbars in real-time (4 at a time...plus the 9th one on the mod wheel). The percussion is very realistic (I have an old hammond I can compare it to) and there are some great options on the chorus settings. It won't help your chiropractor bills....55 pounds. A SKB case will add another 25 pounds (with wheels, thankfully). -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 15:33:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23702; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:33:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:33:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <0aa801bfc1c5$0e89e760$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:04:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VLZBl.0.Lf2.O0P9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com recent and current reading (mostly quite dry as of late): "The Computer Music Tutorial" - Curtis Roads [recommended by somebody on the list] "Smalltalk-80: The Language and Its Implementation" - Adele Goldberg and David Robson [My Kyma system uses Smalltalk-80] http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~wareing/3daudio.htm - various papers on 3D, immersive sound, etc. "Complete Works of Rudyard Kipling" - Rudyard Kipling "The Complete Science Fiction Treasury of H.G. Wells" - H.G. Wells Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 16:03:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13413; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:03:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 19 May 2000 14:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: <-1253374787kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com> Sender: Kenny Bergle From: Kenny Bergle Subject: Re: emu? To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Kenny Bergle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="====53495357495050515356===1" Resent-Message-ID: <"IQQwD2.0.wY.EdP9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --====53495357495050515356===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Lance, I attended an Emu product demo on the new Definitive B3 module this week = here at Sweetwater (I work here). Sales attitude aside, the thing sounds = great! It does have MIDI control over all 9 drawbars and pedals too. = Also very cool is the extra ROM slot to add other sounds as well. 64 = voices (upgradeable to 128!!), very cool ramp up/down Leslie and only 1 = rack space! Many upgrade options as well. We don't have them in now (we = did but they're gone already!). We should have more next week or so. Call = me or email me at the #s below if you want to go into detail on it. =20 Keep on Loopin'! Kenny -------------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Bergle Sweetwater Sound, Inc. Monday - Friday 9 AM - 6 PM Central Standard Time kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com 5335 Bass Road http://www.sweetwater.com Fort Wayne, IN 46808 ftp://ftp.sweetwater.com fax/219 432 1758 w# 800 222 4700 = =20 ext. 1270 "It's a darn good thing we don't get as much government as we=20 pay for!" - Will Rogers -------------------------------------------------------------- --====53495357495050515356===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lance,
I attended an=20 Emu product demo on the new Definitive B3=20 module this week here at Sweetwater (I work=20 here). =A0Sales attitude aside, the thing=20 sounds great! =A0It does have MIDI control=20 over all 9 drawbars and pedals too. =A0Also=20 very cool is the extra ROM slot to add other=20 sounds as well. =A064 voices (upgradeable=20 to 128!!), very cool ramp up/down Leslie=20 and only 1 rack space! =A0Many upgrade options=20 as well. =A0We don't have them in now (we=20 did but they're gone already!). We should=20 have more next week or so. =A0Call me or email=20 me at the #s below if you want to go into=20 detail on it. =A0
Keep on Loopin'!

Kenny




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(OT) To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Kenny Bergle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="====55525754485348565054===1" Resent-Message-ID: <"nydwm.0.oC3.StP9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --====55525754485348565054===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" About Birdsong, Anyone interested should check out the Science News weekly magazine of 4 = weeks ago (also I believe there's a Science News website too but never = been there). It's all about scientists' research into what motivates = birdsong and what changes the melody in the song, and what constitutes = melody. The title of the article is "Are All Singers Musicians?". Pretty = interesting.. Kenny Bergle On Friday, May 19, 2000, bets@she-bop.org wrote: >michael, i assume you know about olivier messiaen's word with birdsong, = no? >if not, look it up in a music history book, it's pretty >interesting! > >>> i thought it was also interesting to know >>> what others on the list were reading >> >>currently, I'm reading an old German book about birdsong. Why do birds >>sing, what is learned and what is inherited, what are the songs like, = and >>what else is there to learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely >>interested in the detailed structure of birdsong, and excited about the >>possibilities of time-stretching software to reveal what would otherwise >>pass much too fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online sound diary = for >>an example). >> >>A few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book about the Superstring Theory:= >>The Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting read. The one underlying >>principle of the universe really seems to be vibration, oscillation - >>waves, or perhaps, in terms of musicians, music and harmony. >> >> >>=3D michael peters >>=3D electronic music & strange attractors >>=3D http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > * * * * * * * =20 >* * > > God made everything out of nothing. But the nothingness shows = through. > -- Valery > > * * * * * * * =20 >* * > > > --====55525754485348565054===1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About Birdsong,

Anyone=20 interested should check out the Science=20 News weekly magazine of 4 weeks ago (also=20 I believe there's a Science News website=20 too but never been there). =A0It's all about=20 scientists' research into what motivates=20 birdsong and what changes the melody in=20 the song, and what constitutes melody. The=20 title of the article is "Are All Singers=20 Musicians?". =A0=A0Pretty interesting..

Kenny=20 Bergle

On Friday, May 19, 2000, bets@she-bop.org=20 wrote:
>michael, i assume you know=20 about olivier messiaen's word with birdsong,=20 no?
>if not, look it up in a music=20 history book, it's pretty
>interesting!
>
>>> i thought it=20 was also interesting to know
>>>=20 what others on the list were reading
>>
>>currently,=20 I'm reading an old German book about birdsong.=20 Why do birds
>>sing, what is learned=20 and what is inherited, what are the songs=20 like, and
>>what else is there to=20 learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely
>>interested=20 in the detailed structure of birdsong, and=20 excited about the
>>possibilities=20 of time-stretching software to reveal what=20 would otherwise
>>pass much too=20 fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online=20 sound diary for
>>an example).
>>
>>A=20 few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book=20 about the Superstring Theory:
>>The=20 Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting=20 read. The one underlying
>>principle=20 of the universe really seems to be vibration,=20 oscillation -
>>waves, or perhaps,=20 in terms of musicians, music and harmony.
>>
>>
>>=3D=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0michael peters
>>=3D =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0electronic=20 music & strange attractors
>>=3D=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb
>
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> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0God=20 made everything out of nothing. But the=20 nothingness shows through.
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(OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jWi9j3.0.b34.Z7Q9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Myth of Invarience - Ernest McClain The World is Sound: Nada Bhrama - Joachim Berendt (currently) Living Buddah, Living Christ - Thich Nhat Hanh -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 16:39:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21728; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:39:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bfc1d1$c67e8810$89310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:35:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qIJAq3.0.tY4.eIQ9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm familiar with Messian's work with Birdsong. Definitely worth checking out. I have a book about Messiaen and his work with Birdsong called "Olivier Messiaen and the Music of Time" (1985). Interesting. BTW, he did most of his birdsong research in the 1940's and 50's. - Larry > michael, i assume you know about olivier messiaen's word with birdsong, no? > if not, look it up in a music history book, it's pretty interesting! > > >> i thought it was also interesting to know > >> what others on the list were reading > > > >currently, I'm reading an old German book about birdsong. Why do birds > >sing, what is learned and what is inherited, what are the songs like, and > >what else is there to learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely > >interested in the detailed structure of birdsong, and excited about the > >possibilities of time-stretching software to reveal what would otherwise > >pass much too fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online sound diary for > >an example). > > > >A few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book about the Superstring Theory: > >The Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting read. The one underlying > >principle of the universe really seems to be vibration, oscillation - > >waves, or perhaps, in terms of musicians, music and harmony. > > > > > >= michael peters > >= electronic music & strange attractors > >= http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb > > * * * * * * * * * > > God made everything out of nothing. But the nothingness shows through. > -- Valery > > * * * * * * * * * > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 17:02:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08462; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:02:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:02:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3925AAD2.EFAF6834@engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:58:04 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O1uLo1.0.LA1.MhQ9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss Musicians Friend Catalog Quake 2 Authorized Strategy Guide David Beardsley wrote: > > The Myth of Invarience - Ernest McClain > The World is Sound: Nada Bhrama - Joachim Berendt (currently) > Living Buddah, Living Christ - Thich Nhat Hanh > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 17:52:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01649; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:52:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <0ae401bfc1d9$ca511a40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:32:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"goTLX3.0.uB7.WBR9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Alex, you need to post a system diagram! Your set-up sounds marvelous! > > >OK, I will try and do that, but first I gotta draw a decent digram. >Maybe I can just find some clip-art from an Italian cookbook... I forget, is it hardware loopers with red wine and software loopers with white? or vice versa? :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 17:58:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08349; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:58:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3925B5C7.A530C9AA@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:46:57 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: birdsongs of the jurassic References: <-1253373754kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0699319A89CE975DCAF7FF19" Resent-Message-ID: <"aHk8b3.0.bi7.XIR9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------0699319A89CE975DCAF7FF19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kenny Bergle wrote: > About Birdsong, > > Anyone interested should check out the Science News weekly magazine of > 4 weeks ago (also I believe there's a Science News website too but > never been there). ÝIt's all about scientists' research into what > motivates birdsong and what changes the melody in the song, and what > constitutes melody. The title of the article is "Are All Singers > Musicians?". ÝÝPretty interesting... having been completely blown away by the chicago museum's unveiling of "sue" (it's got a wishbone!): what do we suppose dinosaur songs sounded like? lotsa very low frequency, i would think... lance g. --------------0699319A89CE975DCAF7FF19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  

Kenny Bergle wrote:

About Birdsong,

Anyone interested should check out the Science News weekly magazine of 4 weeks ago (also I believe there's a Science News website too but never been there).  It's all about scientists' research into what motivates birdsong and what changes the melody in the song, and what constitutes melody. The title of the article is "Are All Singers Musicians?".   Pretty interesting...


having been completely blown away by the chicago museum's unveiling of "sue" (it's got a wishbone!): what do we suppose dinosaur songs sounded like? lotsa very low frequency, i would think...

lance g. --------------0699319A89CE975DCAF7FF19-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 20:00:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02547; Fri, 19 May 2000 20:00:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:00:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3925AAD2.EFAF6834@engin.umich.edu> References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:57:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"QAdfQ1.0.DZ7.MET9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss alright! this is the best one so far.... my favorite: The Great Butter Battle Book by Dr. Seuss an interesting analogy to our idiotic cold war weapons escalation we had to endure during the Reagan legacy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 20:39:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31550; Fri, 19 May 2000 20:39:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:39:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <57.5ea19db.2657375a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:33:30 EDT Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"9_w9P.0.w67.-tT9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Current reads are: Music, Cognition, and Computerized Sound - an introduction to psycoacoustics - edited by Perry R. Cook Chapters written by: John Chowning - Inventor of FM synthesis, various other credits, worked for Bell Labs Perry R. Cook - Synthesis, real time controller development and physical modeling of sound. Brent Gillespie - Music related Mechanical engineering. Daniel J. Levitin - Works with music and memory. Max Mathews - the MAX program was named in his honor. Worked at Bell Labs, known as the father of computer music. John Peirce - Bell labs - Way too many things to list. Roger Shepard - Cutting edge stuff in the study of human perception. Current Directions in Computer Music Research - Edited by, Max Mathews and John Pierce Great text on the subject. Many articles compiled here. The Audio Dictionary - second edition - Glenn D. White - Check this book out. It covers just about everything and is a great place to go to expand knowledge of just about everything audio. Since I've been plowing through this book definition by definition (an easy task seeing how all of the subject matter is vastly interesting) I've come up with so many new interests and ideas for further study. Great read. Earlier post: >>A few weeks ago, I read Brian Greene's book about the Superstring Theory: >>The Elegant Universe. An extremely interesting read. The one underlying >>principle of the universe really seems to be vibration, oscillation - >>waves, or perhaps, in terms of musicians, music and harmony. Yesterday morning I broke my finger at work and right after it happened I noticed how the nerves pulse and throb in pain. I was fascinated by the way it oscillated. When I got home I picked up a note book and started to keep records on the feelings of pain. I have converted a few of the pain feelings into sound already. The idea is not to create painful sounds but the sound of the pain. I hope to put together a track that records the healing process. I doubt it will have a 'healing sound' to it but that is not my intention. There are many overtones and layers within a single feeling of pain. I must admit I felt like I cheated my goals when I took a vicadin last night. Perhaps I'm taking this too far. Where there are waves, there is music. All the best, Peter B From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 19 21:15:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15748; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:15:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3925E2A1.8D8433A6@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:56:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> <3925AAD2.EFAF6834@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oEyWV3.0.mE3.bDU9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Darcy Clark wrote: > > Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss > Musicians Friend Catalog I've read those too! In fact besides all the email and the web pages, I also read the book High Fidelity in the last month, still have to check out the movie: does this movie/book make anyone else think twice? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 00:23:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29284; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014201bfc212$64266160$bdeaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:18:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"YvvK63.0.8N6.m6X9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Noli Me Tangere - Jose Rizal The Just Intonation Primer - David B. Doty Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "lance glover" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) > i thought it was also interesting to know what others on the list were reading > (some time ago this thread passed through...). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 00:25:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30146; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:25:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014d01bfc212$b097c700$bdeaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:20:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"t5TkS1.0.ug6.r8X9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's also being ported to BeOS. Not clear, though, whether its for BeOS for PowerPCs, BeOS for Intel, or any machine that can run BeOS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: RE: Looper -> multitrack > MAX is being ported as we speak. I'm not sure how much longer before we see > a PC version, but it can't be long. > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 01:38:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03417; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:38:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <39.55004af.2657795c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:15:08 EDT Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"0USXk1.0.MG7.3-X9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/18/00 4:52:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << i thought it was also interesting to know what others on the list were reading (some time ago this thread passed through...). >> My reading time is pretty limited, but here are some recent ones: Jack Kerouac - Desolation Angels (just finishing this now...) Jim Hightower - There's Nothing In The Middle Of The Road But Yellow Stripes And Dead Armadillos A collection of Rumi that I got for my birthday a month ago Orson Welles' authorized biography Next up, I have a copy of Dante's Inferno on the nighstand, which I've always wanted to read but I'm wondering if I'm going to have the time and fortitude to actually get through it Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 01:53:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15125; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:53:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0><39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:53:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVlGB2.0.N43.BUY9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss > > alright! this is the best one so far.... > > my favorite: > > The Great Butter Battle Book by Dr. Seuss > > an interesting analogy to our idiotic cold war weapons escalation we had to > endure during the Reagan legacy. Maybe you ought to pick up a history book sometime. The Cold War started with Truman right after WWII. Reagan's policies actually brought an end to the Cold War and the Soviet Union. BTW, technically 'The Great Butter Battle Book' is a metaphor, not an analogy. - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 03:03:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03517; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:03:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:51:06 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Looper -> multitrack X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.236.207 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AyceP.0.ql.hVZ9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not according to the Cycling '74 website. They say that "We started a BeOS port of Max but it is currently on hold given that Be, Inc. has refocused their business away from media applications." BeOS ver.4 was being sold as an alternative to Windows for professional audio and video applications. They are now giving away BeOS ver.5, but they seem to have given up on the pro multi-media market and are targeting the internet market (with streaming audio and video, MP3's, etc.). It seems that all the companies that were developing drivers for their hardware and trying to port their software to BeOS were left out in the cold by Be. Not a good move on their part and bad news for those who use computers for more than word processing and the internet. Ben Porter. >It's also being ported to BeOS. Not clear, though, whether its for BeOS for >PowerPCs, BeOS for Intel, or any machine that can run BeOS. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:09 PM >Subject: RE: Looper -> multitrack > > >> MAX is being ported as we speak. I'm not sure how much longer before we see >> a PC version, but it can't be long. >> >> bIz >> >> > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 03:58:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12886; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfc22c$6d799f60$929cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:20:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"e2uXy2.0.o33.2Ka9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HALLO KIM, I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE FOOT CONTROLLER WHEN I PRESS MUTE TO DO STUTTERING EFFECTS IT ACTIVATES THE REVERSE FUNCTION AND SOMETIMES THE MULTIPLY AS WELL.IT ALSO CUTS PART OF MY LOOPS WHICH IS DANGEROUS LIVE. SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? ANYBODY HAD THIS PROBLEM OUTHERE LOOPERS? THANKS A LOT! L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 04:04:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13662; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:04:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:04:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bfc22c$6e291940$929cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <000801bfbf34$d1b073f0$141b5d8f@FHZW> Subject: Re: show and tell Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:33:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"oYdeQ.0.043.AKa9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hallo Jochen, I am from Mexico living here in Germany as a musician since 1997. I do need some information on how i to get adresses and contacts to producers since we are planing on recording our second CD. I am also very interested in international rights. Where are you studing? I am in Konstanz and planning also to study Multimedia entwickler in Friedrichshafen. there is the SAE multimedia college also but is rather expensive! Take care and hope to hear from you! Luis I'm studying digital media in germany. In my internships I try to focus music branche, especially the electronical. Neither compositing nor producing are my interests. In Germany, most musicians don't know how to offer their music (perhaps mp3.com), nor they can work with other musicians, cause they simply don't know them. So I'm studying possibilities to show musicians their international rights, demonstrate national and international problems with producers, And last but not least I hope to offer other musicians loops and show different results of their works and give'em possibilities to work together in online-projects. In my opinion, music is the language, everyone understands. Communication and working with other musicians could offer possibilities to "come together".- - What would you expect from a non-commercial music web-site? - Have you ever had problems with copyrights or producers? jOCHEN From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 04:23:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14875; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005301bfc234$2c7c6120$6f23dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0><39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:19:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"ifSBO.0.oa3.Cha9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I beg to differ on the Dr. Seuss classics mentioned so far. Fine bits the lot. For my money, "The Sneeches" (with the marvelous story of The Pale Green Pants) was my favorite. A strong lampooning criticism of covetousness and materialism! And middlemen... The Pale Green Pants is a nice chaser after so much chaos. A Notary So Jac to anyone who can remember the magic word that cleaned up the walks and driveway in the original Cat in the Hat book! No peeking! Gut responses only need apply. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 08:29:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23617; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:29:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:29:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39268510.36CD42BC@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:29:04 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: emu? References: <3925922E.1FE5AD0E@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w_o5O2.0.vB5.yGe9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334719756 >> >> this is a 360 systems slavedriver guitar/synthesizer >> i don't know much about this kind of thing but the desription of th >> item >> sounds pretty cool. i pulled it up on a search for all things EMU. >> this guy >> in another auction is selling the painting with guitar david torn >> tapes > Just an FYi if this is the rackmount unit then it's not at all a "guitar/synthesizer". It's a separate pickup, master control unit thing that barely worked at best and hiccups and spits notes like all the other systems of that day (except for the beloved Roland GR300 of course :)) . In reading the description the guy posted this thing is waaay over hyped for what it does (or may do, he's selling it "AS IS"!). not to mention the intro bid of 350.00 is laughable. He'd be lucky to sell this thing for $100. _______________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 08:48:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31670; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:48:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000520124207.92562.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.80] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:42:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Rjgc33.0.w67.3Xe9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The EDP manuel, the jamman manuel, the DL4 manuel, MPX 1 Manuel, the 4 pole filter manuel, the electribe manuels, vortex manuel,sexuel tantric positions manuel (not necessarily in that order) Om and Out >From: David Beardsley >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) >Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:56:01 -0400 > >Darcy Clark wrote: > > > > Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss > > Musicians Friend Catalog > >I've read those too! In fact besides all >the email and the web pages, I also read the book >High Fidelity in the last month, still have to >check out the movie: does this movie/book >make anyone else think twice? > > >-- >* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y >* xouoxno@virtulink.com >* >* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" >* M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor >* >* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 09:17:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14948; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:17:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:13:44 EDT Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"xDvKp3.0.R63.q-e9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have great history book my sister bought me for my b-day. it's Dr. Seuss Goes to War. It contains all the W.W.II editorial cartoons of the good Dr. Also worth checking out is a book containing his artwork (paintings,sculptures and various other items). I can't remember the title of this book, it's been buried in my room for about a year now. Peter B. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 09:59:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31811; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:59:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:56:17 EDT Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"BPpve2.0._i7.jcf9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The book of Dr. Seuss's art work is truly wonderful and insightful ,particularly the sculpture work. B.Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 10:58:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10374; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:58:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3926A7A7.21BB8E7B@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:56:39 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fAKAn3.0.y-1.NRg9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I honestly thought this thread would have died days ago being OT and all but since it didn't here's my current list which even has some OT loop stuff: 1. "Ocean of Sound: Aether Talk, Ambient sound, and Imaginary Worlds" - Author: David Toop Academic at times but more interesting than most and Toop covers non musical artistic influences into the world of electronic/ambient music such as literature and visual art as well as covering some history and a slew of musicians. Sun Ra, Lee Perry, Brian Wilson, Aphex Twin, Eno, etc all all in here plus quiet a lot more. 2. "Phoenix: The Fall and Rise of Videogames" - Author: Leonard Herman I got this mostly for it's early chapters on the creation of early game systems such as Pong and Atari stuff. It is pretty entertaining if you've ever been curious about the early pioneers of this stuff and it shows how technology, engineers /designers, and business don't always understand each other. Who here likes to loop live Atari 2600 games? 3. Yellow Rat Bastard magazine - I found this at a flea market and can't quite figure out who puts it out or where it from but it's kind of a Fashion/DJ/trash rag. Highly un PC at times and worth a laugh if you find a cheap copy somewhere. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 11:13:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13480; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:13:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:13:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000520111328.007b3670@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:13:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) In-Reply-To: <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0> <39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v3eA-.0.OD3.Rhg9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, so history may very well repeat itself, but that's about the only connection between Reagan-era politics and looping that I can see. (No "memory" comments, please...) I just finished reading Neil Sorrell's excellent "A Guide to the Gamelan", and found the parts about cyclical patterns and relative tempi relevant to looping. Also, while "Stompbox" by Art Thompson is certainly informative, I think I enjoyed it more for its nostalgic appeal. Lots of photos to stimulate yer gear-lust. "John Coltrane", a biography by Bill Cole is very good. Is there anyone on the list who DOESN'T read the Musician's Fiend catalog? (Or your regional equivalent?) Tim ps: I can't believe nobody's mentioned "The Lorax"! At 01:53 AM 5/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >> The Great Butter Battle Book by Dr. Seuss, an interesting analogy to our >>idiotic cold war weapons escalation we had to endure during the Reagan >>legacy. > >Maybe you ought to pick up a history book sometime. The Cold >War started with Truman right after WWII. Reagan's policies >actually brought an end to the Cold War and the Soviet Union. > >BTW, technically 'The Great Butter Battle Book' is a >metaphor, not an analogy. > >- Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 11:25:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14865; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:25:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:25:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0><39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:26:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"GOjuL1.0.pW3.qrg9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Geez, Larry, chill out...I talking about a frickin Dr. Seuss book here... Forgive my indiscretion for mentioning the cold war in an inappropriate manner, and my poor english grammar. Let's remove the two words... "an interesting analogy (oops...metaphor) to our idiotic weapons escalation we had to endure during the Reagan legacy." Is that ok, now? You obviously have a much better grasp of history than i do. In fact, by your posts, you have a better grip on almost everything better than we all do. You're a 'metaphor' for a elementary school 'hall monitor'. Or would you be an 'analogy'? rich ps. Did you like the book? >> >Green Eggs and Ham - Dr. Seuss >> >> alright! this is the best one so far.... >> >> my favorite: >> >> The Great Butter Battle Book by Dr. Seuss >> >> an interesting analogy to our idiotic cold war weapons escalation we had >to >> endure during the Reagan legacy. > >Maybe you ought to pick up a history book sometime. The Cold >War started with Truman right after WWII. Reagan's policies >actually brought an end to the Cold War and the Soviet Union. > >BTW, technically 'The Great Butter Battle Book' is a >metaphor, not an analogy. > >- Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 11:52:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18001; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Zoom GFX-8 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:50:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000001bfc273$26bcd3c0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFC283.EA472A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y25I_2.0.UF4.bFh9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFC283.EA472A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, has anyone experiences with the Zoom GFX-8 effect board in a looping context? Given the fact that it is a full-featured guitar floorboard w/ amp-sim, MIDI et al, plus a 25sec. loop, this seems to be a nice option. mfg, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFC283.EA472A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 there,
 
has = anyone=20 experiences with the Zoom GFX-8 effect board in a looping context? Given = the=20 fact that it is a full-featured guitar floorboard w/ amp-sim, MIDI et = al, plus a=20 25sec. loop, this seems to be a nice option.
 
mfg,
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFC283.EA472A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 16:59:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10379; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:59:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:54:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005202054.PAA29586@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Roland GR-500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA07027 Resent-Message-ID: <"L_1jx1.0.Hl1.zkl9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anybody knows this unit?? it´s a large analog synth attached to a Les Paul-like guitar with all kinds of controls for the synth, somebody is offering me a MINT unit for $400. the unit is simply gorgeus, but is the price right??? Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 19:42:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09402; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:42:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39264BBC.60FD32E1@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:24:28 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Reply-To: whiteoak@dial.pipex.com Organization: pipex dial X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: timestretch birdsong References: <200005192057.QAA03754@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NYDnh3.0.5U1.r8o9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi Mike. I've ben recording and time stretching bird song, (specifically blackbirds) for a while and stretching the sound really does reveal more detail. Unfortunately the atifacts I get from plain vanilla time stretch destroy the natural feel of the original sound. I think you'd need a proper phase vocoder program to do the job properly. I've not seen one for the pc yet but sound hack etc. will do it for the mac. I'd be interested in your results. What's the book called and is it available in English? Cheers > > From: Michael Peters > currently, I'm reading an old German book about birdsong. Why do > birds > sing, what is learned and what is inherited, what are the songs like, > and > what else is there to learn about it? For some reason I'm extremely > interested in the detailed structure of birdsong, and excited about > the > possibilities of time-stretching software to reveal what would > otherwise > pass much too fast (see the May 13 entry in my MY2K online sound diary > for > an example). > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 21:14:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27115; Sat, 20 May 2000 21:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005202054.PAA29586@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:09:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Roland GR-500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id VAA22499 Resent-Message-ID: <"yNRLn.0.aY5.YTp9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got one but I haven't played it much in quite a while. I don't know what the market value would be for one. Sound on Sound magazine did a nice history of the Roland GR guitars last summer. As I recall, the description of the GR-500 is that it's a synthesizer that happens to be a guitar as opposed to a guitar that controls a synthesizer. The writer concluded that of the various instruments in the series, the GR-500 was his favorite because of it's eccentricities. I would more or less concur that it's an interesting instrument that takes approaching it for what it is. It's also a decent guitar (the body weighs a ton). Mark At 1:54 PM -0700 5/20/00, Andy Soto wrote: > Does anybody knows this unit?? it´s a large analog synth attached to a Les >Paul-like guitar with all kinds of controls for the synth, somebody is >offering me a MINT unit for $400. > > the unit is simply gorgeus, but is the price right??? > > >Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 22:05:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05722; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:05:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bfc2c7$42303800$8f368218@Boseph> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland GR-500 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:52:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"29hdu2.0.Zk6.b2q9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For $400 how can you go wrong? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Roland GR-500 > I've got one but I haven't played it much in quite a while. I don't know > what the market value would be for one. Sound on Sound magazine did a nice > history of the Roland GR guitars last summer. As I recall, the description > of the GR-500 is that it's a synthesizer that happens to be a guitar as > opposed to a guitar that controls a synthesizer. The writer concluded that > of the various instruments in the series, the GR-500 was his favorite > because of it's eccentricities. I would more or less concur that it's an > interesting instrument that takes approaching it for what it is. It's also > a decent guitar (the body weighs a ton). > > Mark > > At 1:54 PM -0700 5/20/00, Andy Soto wrote: > > Does anybody knows this unit?? it´s a large analog synth attached to a Les > >Paul-like guitar with all kinds of controls for the synth, somebody is > >offering me a MINT unit for $400. > > > > the unit is simply gorgeus, but is the price right??? > > > > > >Andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 20 23:47:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03219; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:47:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:47:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39275C3F.1204E025@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:47:11 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland GR-500 References: <200005202054.PAA29586@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3UBX3.0.8c7.tjr9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Does anybody knows this unit?? it´s a large analog synth attached to a Les > Paul-like guitar with all kinds of controls for the synth, somebody is > offering me a MINT unit for $400. > the unit is simply gorgeus, but is the price right??? The GR500 is the first guitar synth made by Roland. The main unit is a large somewhat limited analog synth but has some wonderful tones. the Guitar was made by Hoshino (aka Ibanez) and contains the electronics to trigger the synth and tweak a few parameters. the main issue when looking at one of these nowadays is to find out if it has the original 24pin cable that connected the main unit to the guitar. Without the cable you have a nice basic guitar and a doorstop as there are no substitute items and roland ran out of their spare parts cables over a year ago. also to note the cable for the GR300 and GR700 system while also being 24 pin is wired differently than the GR500 so ti won't work with it 100%. If you've got a working synth, cable, and guitar, you've got a nice system for making basic analog synth noises via guitar. it doesn't track as well polyphonically as the GR300 series but it's better than many instruments that came after it. $400 for all three items is a very fair price IMO. I have a web page dedicated to the early Roland analog guitars synth and will be adding the GR500 and other soon. http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitsyn.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 00:04:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18584; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:04:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:04:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000521035439.19168.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nfFdh2.0.rd2.8ur9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LA, This is not Kim here, but I've built my own footpedals for the edp and understand them a bit. First, determine if this only occurs with the footpedal, or with the face panel buttons as well. If it only occurs with the footpedal, then suspect either the cable you are using (edp to footpedal cable), or the footpedal itself. Mute should be a 2.87k ohm load to the edp footpedal input. Reverse (insert) is 4.75k ohms, and multiply is 7.87 k ohms. So, if there is a LOT of intermittant resistance in your cable, or on it's phone plugs surfaces, or if there is a lot of resistance in the MUTE switch itself, you could see these selected when you hit mute. Are you in a Very dry climate? Do you have a lot of static where you are using the edp? If so, static discharge to the footpedal (when you try to press a button) can create unpredictable results. If so, write me back, or look up on the LD website for Kim's fix for this. If the problem occurs with the front panel buttons also, then clearly the footpedal and cable are not involved, and I cannot speculate on the root cause. bret --- Luis Angulo wrote: > HALLO KIM, > I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE FOOT CONTROLLER WHEN I > PRESS MUTE TO DO > STUTTERING EFFECTS IT ACTIVATES THE REVERSE FUNCTION > AND SOMETIMES THE > MULTIPLY AS WELL.IT ALSO CUTS PART OF MY LOOPS WHICH > IS DANGEROUS LIVE. SO > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? ANYBODY HAD THIS PROBLEM > OUTHERE LOOPERS? > THANKS A LOT! > L.A. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 01:15:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11743; Sun, 21 May 2000 01:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:15:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39277065.285ED6F2@home.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:09 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: timestretch birdsong References: <200005192057.QAA03754@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <39264BBC.60FD32E1@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bHMt-.0.8M1.e_s9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gareth Whittock wrote: > destroy the natural feel of the original sound. I think you'd need a > proper phase vocoder program to do the job properly. I've not seen one > for the pc yet but sound hack etc. will do it for the mac. I'd be Try Csound (for pc, linux, mac, unix, beos, maybe next). It's got a steep learning curve if you don't have any computer programming background, but phase vocoding is just the tip of the iceberg of what it does. If the original poster wants, I could write up a Csound orc/sco pair with a batch file that would make processing the file [almost] as easy as typing: "pv bird". Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 07:02:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09070; Sun, 21 May 2000 07:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:02:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:01:58 +0200 Subject: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA07380 Resent-Message-ID: <"edwkL2.0.ap1.07y9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hallo, at the moment I'm composing for two flutes , voice an liveelectronice. My problem is, that when I trigger over midisequenzes the record loops, the echoplex digital pro creates at the beginning and the end of the trigger a disgusting 'plopp-sound', with allways the same volume (no sample-wave-cut-noise). I set samplerstyle to attack and record mode to sustain. save me, please with best wishes dorothée hahne p.s. before I'm wasting more time, do anybody knows, where I can find a manual in german language? -- www.newsic.de music & art production cologne germany From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 09:33:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13700; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:33:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:31:30 +0200 Subject: test From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"ihPWW3.0.vS2.2J-9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com test -- www.newsic.de music & art production cologne germany From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 09:36:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16014; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:36:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:30:48 +0200 Subject: Re: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id JAA09630 Resent-Message-ID: <"1DoYv3.0.CN2.bI-9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Von: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Datum: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:01:58 +0200 > An: > Betreff: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Neu gesendet am: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:00:20 -0400 > > hallo, > at the moment I'm composing for two flutes , voice an liveelectronice. My > problem is, that when I trigger over midisequenzes the record loops, the > echoplex digital pro creates at the beginning and the end of the trigger a > disgusting 'plopp-sound', with allways the same volume (no > sample-wave-cut-noise). I set samplerstyle to attack and record mode to > sustain. > save me, please > with best wishes > > dorothée hahne > > > > > where and how can I buy an uprade Loop III, Version 5.0? > p.s. before I'm wasting more time, do anybody knows, where I can find a > manual in german language? > -- > www.newsic.de > music & art production > cologne germany > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 11:35:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13933; Sun, 21 May 2000 11:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:35:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3926BDDA.58F03DB0@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:31:22 +0200 From: cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0><39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> <005301bfc234$2c7c6120$6f23dacf@z8y9w0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r6OY_2.0.yi7.a-_9v"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com voom? guts an' all rob Stephen P. Goodman schrieb: > A Notary So Jac to anyone who can remember the magic word > that cleaned up the walks and driveway in the original Cat in the Hat > book! No peeking! Gut responses only need apply. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 13:59:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18663; Sun, 21 May 2000 13:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:58:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yhyOY3.0.Gh3.QD2Av"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hallo, >at the moment I'm composing for two flutes , voice an liveelectronice. My >problem is, that when I trigger over midisequenzes the record loops, the >echoplex digital pro creates at the beginning and the end of the trigger a >disgusting 'plopp-sound', with allways the same volume (no >sample-wave-cut-noise). I set samplerstyle to attack and record mode to >sustain. >save me, please >with best wishes > >dorothée hahne are you saying, that it does not happen if you trigger them from the front keys? I have never seen this. If the blopp happens in other situations, too, it might be the DC aligning, a trimmer, easy to set... > >p.s. before I'm wasting more time, do anybody knows, where I can find a >manual in german language? there is no translation of the oficial Oberheim. But the original LOOP delay manual was written in german. It does not fit perfectly well, because the LOOP delay had less functions (no Next loops, less parameters, mainly). If its not on the site yet, we can put it there... Kim? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 13:59:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19282; Sun, 21 May 2000 13:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:59:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3926A7A7.21BB8E7B@voicenet.com> References: <3926A7A7.21BB8E7B@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:58:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"kf7Hh1.0.Bj3.VD2Av"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I honestly thought this thread would have died days ago being OT and all but >since it didn't here's my current list which even has some OT loop stuff: > >1. "Ocean of Sound: Aether Talk, Ambient sound, and Imaginary >Worlds" - Author: >David Toop ... hm, the guy is not so much OT... rather off lopic ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 14:00:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19622; Sun, 21 May 2000 14:00:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:00:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:58:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looper or multitrack?: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"q1aBo3.0.fj3.WD2Av"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Now if I had a more sound proofed environment, I might enjoy it more >recording direct using studio monitors, or better yet... mic-ing an >amp or speaker in a closet and listening to studio monitors. I'd be >more motivated with a slightly higher quality environment. (Which I'm >going to try to arrange soon...) I doubt there is anyone not dreaming with a better environment/equipment. It does not mean much, it cannot be the reason to stop. I made my strongest improv experiences in the late 70ies recording with a portable cassette recorder (then they had a built in mic) in the middle of the rehearsal room. The whole band was on it, somehow, and it served well as a mirror. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 21 17:46:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24797; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:46:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:46:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ZaH-41.0.wx4.3W5Av"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congratulations, Dorothée, but what is a "live-electro-nice"? Sorry, I have no clue about the "disgusting plopp-sound." | -----Original Message----- | From: hahne@newsic.de [mailto:dorothee.hahne@t-online.de] | Sent: Sunday 21 May 2000 4:02 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro | | | hallo, | at the moment I'm composing for two flutes , voice an | liveelectronice. My | problem is, that when I trigger over midisequenzes the record | loops, the | echoplex digital pro creates at the beginning and the end of | the trigger a | disgusting 'plopp-sound', with allways the same volume (no... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 03:29:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01352; Mon, 22 May 2000 03:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:29:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:27:37 +0200 Subject: Re: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA30017 Resent-Message-ID: <"lpUf43.0.9M7.94EAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how can I trigger with the front keys? (I have system 3.2. I try to buy an update (Loop III V. 5.0), but I can't buy it by internet. Gibson and musik und Technik have no internet services).If the blopp happens in other situations, too, it might be the DC > aligning, a trimmer, easy to set... how can I do that? dear matthias, when it will be a very special technical thing, maybe you can tell it in german to me. thank u dh -- Dorothée Hahne Neue Musik . Akustische Kunst . Komposition Gummersbacher Str. 27 D - 50679 Koeln fon/fax: 0049 221 881971 email: Hahne@newsic.de http://www.newsic.de > Von: Matthias Grob > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Datum: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:58:34 -0300 > An: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Betreff: Re: miditrigger noises with echoplex digital pro > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Neu gesendet am: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:56:45 -0400 > >> hallo, >> at the moment I'm composing for two flutes , voice an liveelectronice. My >> problem is, that when I trigger over midisequenzes the record loops, the >> echoplex digital pro creates at the beginning and the end of the trigger a >> disgusting 'plopp-sound', with allways the same volume (no >> sample-wave-cut-noise). I set samplerstyle to attack and record mode to >> sustain. >> save me, please >> with best wishes >> >> dorothée hahne > > are you saying, that it does not happen if you trigger them from the > front keys? > I have never seen this. > If the blopp happens in other situations, too, it might be the DC > aligning, a trimmer, easy to set... > >> >> p.s. before I'm wasting more time, do anybody knows, where I can find a >> manual in german language? > > there is no translation of the oficial Oberheim. But the original > LOOP delay manual was written in german. It does not fit perfectly > well, because the LOOP delay had less functions (no Next loops, less > parameters, mainly). > If its not on the site yet, we can put it there... Kim? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 09:03:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01664; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:03:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01bfc3e8$9f439a60$97d89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000521035439.19168.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:10:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"4avWY.0.Yz5.wuIAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Brett, thanks for writting is definetly the foot pedal. It seems that the next loop and the mute button are broken. Its getting on my nerves everytime having to change this switches i´ve already changed the record and undo button because they were acting up.I am in a very normal climate and there isn´t much static here. then again i am not an electronic wizard. is there a better solution as far as reliability? what switches are you using? thanks again in advance! Luis > LA, > This is not Kim here, but I've built my own footpedals > for the edp and understand them a bit. > > First, determine if this only occurs with the > footpedal, or with the face panel buttons as well. > > If it only occurs with the footpedal, then suspect > either the cable you are using (edp to footpedal > cable), or the footpedal itself. > > Mute should be a 2.87k ohm load to the edp footpedal > input. Reverse (insert) is 4.75k ohms, and multiply > is 7.87 k ohms. So, if there is a LOT of intermittant > resistance in your cable, or on it's phone plugs > surfaces, or if there is a lot of resistance in the > MUTE switch itself, you could see these selected when > you hit mute. > > Are you in a Very dry climate? Do you have a lot of > static where you are using the edp? If so, static > discharge to the footpedal (when you try to press a > button) can create unpredictable results. If so, > write me back, or look up on the LD website for Kim's > fix for this. > > If the problem occurs with the front panel buttons > also, then clearly the footpedal and cable are not > involved, and I cannot speculate on the root cause. > > bret > --- Luis Angulo wrote: > > HALLO KIM, > > I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE FOOT CONTROLLER WHEN I > > PRESS MUTE TO DO > > STUTTERING EFFECTS IT ACTIVATES THE REVERSE FUNCTION > > AND SOMETIMES THE > > MULTIPLY AS WELL.IT ALSO CUTS PART OF MY LOOPS WHICH > > IS DANGEROUS LIVE. SO > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? ANYBODY HAD THIS PROBLEM > > OUTHERE LOOPERS? > > THANKS A LOT! > > L.A. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 11:09:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12675; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:09:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:09:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39294D0C.7EB81379@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:06:52 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Frostwave FIlter stompbox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"huTHy.0.49._kKAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm selling my Frostwave Filter effects box. Asking $150 US and I'll pick up shipping in the US (it's not a delicate piece so that may not be insignificant). The Frostwave Filter is a clone of the infamous Korg MS20 analog synthesizer's dual filter section. It has a separate highpass and lowpass filter each with cutoff and resonance knobs. This filter is well known for being quite powerful and the Frostwave version easily self resonates making this box a hand controlled thermin capable of rumbling vibratolike bass tones or cone ripping shrieks without even plugging anything into it. Perfect for processing drumboxes, vocal loops, nasty guitar or bass, etc etc. There's an excellent review of it here: http://machines.hyperreal.org//manufacturers/Frostwave/Filter/info/frostwave.review The unit I'm selling is in as new, excellent condition (The thing is built like a tank and the shiny blue paint job is practically scratchless). I am keeping my homemade power supply but you can get one easily from Jameco or any parts company (it's a common 18Vt PS that uses a common female connector you can get at radio shack). I'll be posting this to the net shortly so if you want it please let me know you saw my ad on these lists and including your phone # to speed things up (all deals must be confirmed via phone). I have a ton of references and prefer prepay or you can pick it up in Phila PA. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 12:27:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12231; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:27:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:49:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: 2D pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"WNvq72.0.5Q1.SQLAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would love to control FB with the same foot as the volume (and Overdub, with the big toe), to be able to play standing. Morley and others used to have volume pedals with paning in horizontal action (turn your feet), so those would be ideal. At the Morley site I could not find one though... Does anyone do such operation? Does anyone have such pedal without using it? Any other channels...? Thank you Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 12:52:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06892; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:52:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3929DF1A.16B334E1@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:30:02 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2D pedals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7yl751.0.3c7.TFMAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com www.ernieball.com/ Matthias Grob wrote: > > I would love to control FB with the same foot as the volume (and > Overdub, with the big toe), to be able to play standing. > > Morley and others used to have volume pedals with paning in > horizontal action (turn your feet), so those would be ideal. At the > Morley site I could not find one though... > > Does anyone do such operation? > Does anyone have such pedal without using it? > Any other channels...? > > Thank you > Matthias > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 13:24:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24165; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200005202054.PAA29586@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Roland GR-500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA18454 Resent-Message-ID: <"lh7zY.0.4X4.1kMAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For the article, go to http://www.sospubs.co.uk/ and search on GR500. Mark At 6:09 PM -0700 5/20/00, Mark Hamburg wrote: >I've got one but I haven't played it much in quite a while. I don't know >what the market value would be for one. Sound on Sound magazine did a nice >history of the Roland GR guitars last summer. As I recall, the description >of the GR-500 is that it's a synthesizer that happens to be a guitar as >opposed to a guitar that controls a synthesizer. The writer concluded that >of the various instruments in the series, the GR-500 was his favorite >because of it's eccentricities. I would more or less concur that it's an >interesting instrument that takes approaching it for what it is. It's also >a decent guitar (the body weighs a ton). > >Mark > >At 1:54 PM -0700 5/20/00, Andy Soto wrote: >> Does anybody knows this unit?? it´s a large analog synth attached to a Les >>Paul-like guitar with all kinds of controls for the synth, somebody is >>offering me a MINT unit for $400. >> >> the unit is simply gorgeus, but is the price right??? >> >> >>Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 13:49:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19192; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:49:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:43:02 -0700 From: alex@pixar.com (Alex Stahl) Message-Id: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2D pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"3aloR2.0.Zh3.A7NAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmm, I couldn't find a 2D pedal on the ernieball site, has anyone else a more specific URL? However, I have made my own "joypedal" to control the mixer-morpher Max patch I mentioned recently, and it would work fine for any two voltage control inputs. It's based on a Yamaha CV pedal. I have used it for about five years, on and off, and it hasn't failed yet. If there are enough people interested I will make some more, let me know. I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis of control without spraining my ankle :-) -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 13:57:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25320; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:57:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:57:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: dgoat@quik.com Message-ID: <39296D22.2748AF3C@quik.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:23:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: current reading? (OT) References: <004201bfc04b$75dc1120$1a954e0c@u73x0><39244F77.A443EA88@earthlink.net> <3925A11D.DF21200@virtulink.com> <003201bfc21f$cc050900$0f310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Zl80o1.0.Wy7.-uMAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Larry Tremblay wrote: > Maybe you ought to pick up a history book sometime. The Cold > War started with Truman right after WWII. Reagan's policies > actually brought an end to the Cold War and the Soviet Union. This reminds me of a song a friend of mine wrote at the end of the eighties, speaking about the end of the cold war, "The US outspent them / on war machinery" Loop content: This is the same fellow who introduced me to looping via the old EH 16sec delay. 93 Rev. V. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 14:14:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11644; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3929F1DB.4E565EA0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:50:03 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2D pedals References: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"227AF1.0.hH.yPNAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex Stahl wrote: > > Hmm, I couldn't find a 2D pedal on the ernieball site, has anyone else a more specific URL? > Sorry I was there 2 days ago and mistakenly read the picture and the description there is no 2d vol ped at ernieball they only have the best : mostexpensive vol pedals... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 14:49:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18301; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:49:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000522184206.24125.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EKijp3.0.rF2.2-NAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, I am just using the standard, stock switches that oberheim used. I have one echoplex footpedal that I have had for years, without problems in the switches. After you changed the record and undo buttons are they fine? If so, Maybe you should replace all of the problematic switches and be done with it. I don't know why you would have problems with the switches unles they are defective, or damaged. bret --- Luis Angulo wrote: > Hello Brett, > thanks for writting is definetly the foot pedal. It > seems that the next loop > and the mute button are broken. Its getting on my > nerves everytime having to > change this switches i´ve already changed the record > and undo button because > they were acting up.I am in a very normal climate > and there isn´t much > static here. then again i am not an electronic > wizard. is there a better > solution as far as reliability? what switches are > you using? > thanks again in advance! > Luis > > > LA, > > This is not Kim here, but I've built my own > footpedals > > for the edp and understand them a bit. > > > > First, determine if this only occurs with the > > footpedal, or with the face panel buttons as well. > > > > If it only occurs with the footpedal, then suspect > > either the cable you are using (edp to footpedal > > cable), or the footpedal itself. > > > > Mute should be a 2.87k ohm load to the edp > footpedal > > input. Reverse (insert) is 4.75k ohms, and > multiply > > is 7.87 k ohms. So, if there is a LOT of > intermittant > > resistance in your cable, or on it's phone plugs > > surfaces, or if there is a lot of resistance in > the > > MUTE switch itself, you could see these selected > when > > you hit mute. > > > > Are you in a Very dry climate? Do you have a lot > of > > static where you are using the edp? If so, static > > discharge to the footpedal (when you try to press > a > > button) can create unpredictable results. If so, > > write me back, or look up on the LD website for > Kim's > > fix for this. > > > > If the problem occurs with the front panel buttons > > also, then clearly the footpedal and cable are not > > involved, and I cannot speculate on the root > cause. > > > > bret > > --- Luis Angulo wrote: > > > HALLO KIM, > > > I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE FOOT CONTROLLER > WHEN I > > > PRESS MUTE TO DO > > > STUTTERING EFFECTS IT ACTIVATES THE REVERSE > FUNCTION > > > AND SOMETIMES THE > > > MULTIPLY AS WELL.IT ALSO CUTS PART OF MY LOOPS > WHICH > > > IS DANGEROUS LIVE. SO > > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? ANYBODY HAD THIS > PROBLEM > > > OUTHERE LOOPERS? > > > THANKS A LOT! > > > L.A. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 16:19:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28171; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:19:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER Message-ID: <0056910005144913000002L132*@MHS> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:56:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/22/00 15:02:14" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA05715 Resent-Message-ID: <"ok7v-.0.dP1.k4PAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speaking of EDP switches, I have been looking for the best replacement switch, and so far this is what I have found : >From Mouser Electronics part number 10PA005 or 107-DS412W (Mountain Hi-Rel Pushbutton Switch) At http://www.mouser.com/catalog/cat_602/296.pdf Has any one tried these or found one that they liked better? Regards, K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 17:37:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12628; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:37:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:37:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000522211429.1076.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: String exciter doohicky? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lG_6.0.G_3.yCQAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So what's the name of that (electric?) doohicky you simply place on a guitar string that cause it to vibrate with very little attack? And where might one purchase one? thanks stephen ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 18:07:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13505; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000522211429.1076.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:53:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? Resent-Message-ID: <"bZ2Ct2.0.eJ5.0iQAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you talking about the E-bow? That's a hand held sustaining unit. Or Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. rich >So what's the name of that (electric?) doohicky you >simply place on a guitar string that cause it to >vibrate with very little attack? And where might one >purchase one? > >thanks > >stephen > > >===== >Stephen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 18:23:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20932; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:23:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: 22 May 2000 17:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <-1253107316kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com> Sender: Kenny Bergle From: Kenny Bergle Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? To: X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 2.0.4 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Kenny Bergle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="====49505255495655554849===1" Resent-Message-ID: <"RtVi8.0.0E2.OwQAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --====49505255495655554849===1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" It's called an Ebow, if I'm thinking of what you're thinking. You may = purchase one from us (Sweetwater) for $99, plus shipping, if you like. = Please call me at the #s below or email me directly so we can make sure it'= s the thing you think it is. Kenny -------------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Bergle Sweetwater Sound, Inc. 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Message-ID: <0056910005149113000002L132*@MHS> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:10:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 05/22/00 17:11:14" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA16454 Resent-Message-ID: <"8fEkW3.0.s14.72RAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The eBow! On the web at ebow.com of course. !! K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 18:39:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28244; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:39:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d301bfc43b$774d6a60$87b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <20000522211429.1076.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:17:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DRxq_2.0.l74.e2RAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's called an "E-Bow" and I would go out and buy one IMMEDIATELY.... I have never had so much fun on a signle string in my life.... If you're good at swept arpeggios - it can imitate a violin arpeggio as well... It's one of the best tools I use to create my sonic tundras... Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: String exciter doohicky? > So what's the name of that (electric?) doohicky you > simply place on a guitar string that cause it to > vibrate with very little attack? And where might one > purchase one? > > thanks > > stephen > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 22 22:20:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22300; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:20:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <96.528ab2a.265b4045@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:00:37 EDT Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"am0JC3.0.7C1.oPUAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 05/22/00 2:20:35 PM, kenny_bergle@sweetwater.com writes: >It's called an Ebow, if I'm thinking of what you're thinking. You may >purchase one from us (Sweetwater) for $99, plus shipping, if you like. > Please call me at the #s below or email me directly so we can make sure >it's the thing you think it is. Or from Musician's Friend for only $79.99. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 04:09:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30477; Tue, 23 May 2000 04:09:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 04:09:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000523080234.8092.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: acoustic ebow experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1qbNY3.0.OM7.TiZAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like there are a number of ebow fans here :-) ....reading the ebow's faq, it is oriented towards electric guitar in that its behavior is changed depending on the type of and position in relationship to the pick up. I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not much information on what to expect except that there is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not work, and it will be quieter. Anyone have any experience with acoustic applications for this gizmo? btw, if you're *realllllly* interested in the ebow, here is all the patent information, pretty pictures and all : http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04075921__&language=en ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 05:27:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10324; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:27:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3929F1DB.4E565EA0@vtx.ch> References: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> <3929F1DB.4E565EA0@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:19:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 2D pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"MGlcn.0.7Q.7paAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > >there is no 2d vol ped at ernieball :-( > >they only have the best : mostexpensive vol pedals... I had one once. very heavy. My Schaller works perfectly for many years... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 05:30:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13103; Tue, 23 May 2000 05:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:30:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> References: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:27:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 2D pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"pg87Y3.0._C2.ewaAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex seems to be very creatif: >However, I have made my own "joypedal" to control the mixer-morpher >Max patch I mentioned recently, and it would >work fine for any two voltage control inputs. It's based on a Yamaha >CV pedal. I have used it for about five years, on and off, and it >hasn't failed yet. If there are enough people interested I will make >some more, let me know. sounds great! So the whole pedal is turnable? Is the output a voltage or is there a potentiometer in it? >I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis of >control without spraining my ankle :-) > I thought about that too. I guess for a simple short way, almost on-off, it should be possible! Or a switch on each side of the movement. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 06:53:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19891; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:53:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <17.5ef0eca.265bb49d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:17:01 EDT Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"gpdim2.0.A44.BhbAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen, Hey man, haven't tried a tamboura out before, but it should be pretty happening, none-the-less. I've used my older E-Bow on lots of differing acoustic instruments, but have had some wild results with a lap dulcimer and a few friends' acoustic guitars. The big difference is in finding the "sweet spot" where the instrument is giving you the most volume when you are activating a string with the E-Bow. You'll find with an acoustic instrument, it isn't going to give you as much volume and that there are a number of different sweet spots on the instrument (this is true for electrics, but again, the volume won't be there unless you're near or over top of a pickup). Try playing just a little above a harmonic node on your instrument, such that if it were a guitar, you'd place/move the E-Bow up to the halfway between the 17th and 18th frets. Yes, I know, the tamboura is a fretless instrument, but you'll get the picture. If my memory servers you're more prone to brushing the strings of this one than you are of actually plucking them, so an E-Bow should give you some pretty happening and slow sounds. Loop on, tap on, gliss out, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 07:26:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18673; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:26:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:26:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:20:44 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: acoustic ebow experiences? Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200005230720_MC2-A60E-C5D1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA15822 Resent-Message-ID: <"saVxw3.0.8u3.BdcAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it works, if not quite as dramatic than on electric. I recently e-bowed my banjo with charming results! Reportedly people use it on grand piano to prouce drones (multiple drones if you have more than one e-bow), although I tried it on upright bass the other day and that didn't work so well. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 09:17:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26153; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:17:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000901bfc4b3$6ed1da60$db2a9d3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:50:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"_2ZKQ3.0.5J3.w9eAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the > Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since > you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. > Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a favorite guitar? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 09:50:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28457; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:50:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <6.6547f5e.265be4d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:42:44 EDT Subject: Re: ebow To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"JTaTC2.0.FI5.-heAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/23/00 4:19:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not much information on what to expect except that there is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not work, and it will be quieter. Anyone have any experience with acoustic applications for this gizmo? >> I've used one on acoustic guitars, it sounds fine and is pretty easy to work with. When they say 'it will be quiter', keep in mind the actual volume boost it gets on electric - I found it pretty easy to balance with the regular playing volume on acoustic. The one thing that takes a little getting used to is that you may have to work a little harder with the left hand to get the string started. I've also used it on other acoustic string instruments with pretty good luck ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 10:27:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00396; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:27:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01bfc4c1$f6c43810$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: 2D pedals Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:19:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5y0qV1.0.jp5.eDfAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis of >>control without spraining my ankle :-) Here's a possibility, albeit pricey - add an I-Cube "Touch" contact pressure sensor: http://www.infusionsystems.com/fsd.html?/products/intro.html&2/products/list.htm l%3 Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:34 AM Subject: Re: 2D pedals >Alex seems to be very creatif: > >>However, I have made my own "joypedal" to control the mixer-morpher >>Max patch I mentioned recently, and it would >>work fine for any two voltage control inputs. It's based on a Yamaha >>CV pedal. I have used it for about five years, on and off, and it >>hasn't failed yet. If there are enough people interested I will make >>some more, let me know. > >sounds great! >So the whole pedal is turnable? >Is the output a voltage or is there a potentiometer in it? > >>I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis of >>control without spraining my ankle :-) >> > >I thought about that too. I guess for a simple short way, almost >on-off, it should be possible! Or a switch on each side of the >movement. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 10:27:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00450; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:27:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:27:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:13:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Acoustic e-bow From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200005231116.HAA11778@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3041910798_137140_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"-GhCr3.0.mo3.E8fAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3041910798_137140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It works on any string that has sufficient magnetic content. If you move it up and down the string, you'll find points where the effect is much stronger (node points, or something). Electric guitars often have pickups at one of these points, but they're a physical property of a tense string, so they will be present on acoustic instruments. Remember though, if the strings on your instrument aren't sufficiently magnetic, you'll have problems getting a strong response. TH "I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not much information on what to expect except that there is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not work, and it will be quieter." --MS_Mac_OE_3041910798_137140_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Acoustic e-bow It works on any string that has sufficient magnetic content.  If you m= ove it up and down the string, you'll find points where the effect is much s= tronger (node points, or something).   Electric guitars often have= pickups at one of these points, but they're a physical property of a tense = string, so they will be present on acoustic instruments.  Remember thou= gh, if the strings on your instrument aren't sufficiently magnetic, you'll h= ave problems getting a strong response.

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instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)= ...they give
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--MS_Mac_OE_3041910798_137140_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 10:28:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01639; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:28:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:28:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901bfc4b3$6ed1da60$db2a9d3e@oemcomputer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:13:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? Resent-Message-ID: <"mBDhR2.0.BL2.u2fAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the >> Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since >> you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. >> >Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a >favorite guitar? Unfortunately, no. Apparently, Fernandes offered the 'Sustainer' as a kit, but quickly backed out of it because there was no incentive to buy Fernandes guitars. At least that's what the salesmen told me. They are a pretty reputable shop and a Fernandes Authorized Dealer as well. The Fernandes guitars are not bad, though. I was thinking of purchasing one as a second guitar. Or if you could find a used one cheap, it might be interesting to pull the electronics and put them in your favorite axe. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 10:56:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30085; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392A51E4.E1F456B2@texas.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:39:50 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? References: <20000523080234.8092.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h4g_W3.0.DK2.rUfAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com stephan - the ebow vibrates the string by exciting its magnetic field, so you will have a problem on your tanpura unless you restring the instrument w/steel strings instead of the brass or bronze that's traditionally used. have fun! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 12:12:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26782; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:12:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:25:11 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, HooverA@tce.com Subject: Doohicky - EBow - Sustainer availability... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA10608 Resent-Message-ID: <"H-ROm1.0.ie2.0CgAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a favorite guitar? > Unfortunately, no. Well... I guess the Stealth Sustainiac system (in a guitar I'm building) being produced by Maniac Music is in a category all by itself then... 8-) Alan Hoover has been producing one version or another of a similar design as the Fernandes "Sustainer" since before Fernandes was making them... mostly because he was the guy they "liscensed" their design from. Anyway... I've copied Alan on this post and maybe he'd like to provide us all with some updated information concerning his Sustainiac systems. Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 12:40:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29848; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:40:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:40:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:28:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Doohicky - EBow - Sustainer availability... Resent-Message-ID: <"yYIPn.0.Hq6.M1hAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Miko! Keep us posted. The last time i tried a Sustainer guitar was in conjunction with a Line6 DL4. A tasty combination indeed. Now we just need to add a Digitech Space Station and an EDP and we could have infinite sustain synth pad loop drone yumminess for days. rich >>>Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a >>>favorite guitar? > >> Unfortunately, no. > >Well... I guess the Stealth Sustainiac system (in a guitar I'm building) >being produced by Maniac Music is in a category all by itself then... 8-) > >Alan Hoover has been producing one version or another of a similar design >as the Fernandes "Sustainer" since before Fernandes was making them... >mostly because he was the guy they "liscensed" their design from. > >Anyway... I've copied Alan on this post and maybe he'd like to provide us >all with some updated information concerning his Sustainiac systems. > >Best regards, >-Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 13:43:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25598; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:43:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392ABCAC.19FD5D67@best.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:15:24 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Doohicky - EBow - Sustainer availability... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xoImL2.0.pY7.3rhAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is another way to induce sustain in a guitar and that is by physically attaching a transducer to a "sweet spot" on the body. The signal out from the guitar is split: one to your regular FX/amp, the other to a volume pedal and amp that feeds the transducer. A fellow on the Chapman Stick list by the name of "Stick Dragon", aka Arthur Durkee, developed this system for his Stick. He calls it the "Infinite Sustain Feedback System". Unfortunately, the company that made the transducer no longer sells them and I have not found any available alternatives. One downside of this method is that over use causes the transducer to get very warm. -Allan Mike Biffle wrote: > >>Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a favorite guitar? > > > Unfortunately, no. > > Well... I guess the Stealth Sustainiac system (in a guitar I'm building) being produced by Maniac Music is in a category all by itself then... 8-) > > Alan Hoover has been producing one version or another of a similar design as the Fernandes "Sustainer" since before Fernandes was making them... mostly because he was the guy they "liscensed" their design from. > > Anyway... I've copied Alan on this post and maybe he'd like to provide us all with some updated information concerning his Sustainiac systems. > > Best regards, > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 13:47:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29730; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:47:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000523173506.25481.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CYy1h1.0.MC4.K5iAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, http://sustainiac.com/ bret --- Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in > selected guitars called the > > Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is > much better IMO, since > > you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal > with the non-sustained. > > > Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to > be installed in a > favorite guitar? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 14:28:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31313; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:28:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392AC7AC.39C03526@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:02:21 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? References: <000901bfc4b3$6ed1da60$db2a9d3e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c0pU2.0.LS4.kXiAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the > > Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since > > you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. > > > Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a > favorite guitar? Not by Fernandez but from the folks who designed the Fernandez pickup: http://sustainiac.com/ -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 14:22:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29371; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:22:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.5e32e9a.265c156d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:10:05 EDT Subject: keenan lawler concert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Q7T9.0.C86.NkhAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i caught keenan lawler last nite here in pittsburgh (the universal center of looping).......he used a national steel guitar.......very amazing sounds........loop content was low, loops used spareingly to fatten up some spots in the tunes but not the thrust of keenans playing........quite interesting none the less, very kotoesque, soundscape, overtones to the max type of music.........this was the third concert ive gone to with people from the list.........its really nice to finally meet some of you folk in person.......so if kennan shows up in your neck of the woods, go hear him by all means...........nice fellow, wild music........thats how i like it anyway...........:)...........michael p.s. if you cant make the show, get one of his cds"the ghost of a plane of air".........im listening now,i loves the overtones.................. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 14:41:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10606; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:41:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002d01bfc4e4$1adc5c60$4e32dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20000523080234.8092.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:24:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"xFcMA.0.8E7.5qiAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been playing an Oscar Schmidt ('90) acoustic steel six-string with an EBow since I got the EBow, and still love it, though the tips of my fingers could tell a different story. :) For some reason, this guitar has acoustic sweet spots all over the place for such use - and many others don't for reasons I and others have never figured out. Tried out the EBow on all my friends' acoustic and acoustic/electric guitars, and the only ones that were able to produce a decent sound with it were mine, and an Ovation (one of those expensive ones). So I feel kinda fortunate in that regard. It really IS made for electric play, and someone on this list put forth comments indicating that EBow's makers are now discussing acoustic use too. This would be relatively recent or in the last several years. Combine a guitar that likes the EBow, and a space with lots of natural reverb, like the Tunnels up in San Gabriel Canyon, or for that matter the King's Chamber in one of the pyramids, and I'm happier than a clam. The only down sides are that, the moment percussion of medium-to-high volume occurs, the sound gets washed out to an extent; and, the next morning, after playing for several hours, one might have to re-sand their calluses. :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: acoustic ebow experiences? > Sounds like there are a number of ebow fans here :-) > ....reading the ebow's faq, it is oriented towards > electric guitar in that its behavior is changed > depending on the type of and position in relationship > to the pick up. > > I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed > instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give > it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not > much information on what to expect except that there > is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not > work, and it will be quieter. > > Anyone have any experience with acoustic applications > for this gizmo? btw, if you're *realllllly* > interested in the ebow, here is all the patent > information, pretty pictures and all : > > http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04075921__&language=en > > > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 14:51:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23503; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:51:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <038d01bfc4e5$6f0ad900$3f6c8bd1@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "Stephen" , Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:18:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MBCm63.0.BY.JwiAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The ebow works just fine on acoustic guitar, and the sound can be as loud as a plucked note, only sustained; that's pretty loud. Think violin. >Sounds like there are a number of ebow fans here :-) >....reading the ebow's faq, it is oriented towards >electric guitar in that its behavior is changed >depending on the type of and position in relationship >to the pick up. > >I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed >instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give >it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not >much information on what to expect except that there >is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not >work, and it will be quieter. > >Anyone have any experience with acoustic applications >for this gizmo? btw, if you're *realllllly* >interested in the ebow, here is all the patent >information, pretty pictures and all : > >http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04075921__&language=en > > > > >===== >Stephen > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 14:54:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28366; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:47:16 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sustainiac Available... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA17738 Resent-Message-ID: <"kvR8_1.0.3M4.79jAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There is another way to induce sustain in a guitar and that is by physically attaching a transducer to a "sweet spot" on the body. The signal out from the guitar is split: one to your regular FX/amp, the other to a volume pedal and amp that feeds the transducer. A fellow on the Chapman Stick list by the name of "Stick Dragon", aka Arthur Durkee, developed this system for his Stick. He calls it the "Infinite Sustain Feedback System". Unfortunately, the company that made the transducer no longer sells them and I have not found any available alternatives. One downside of this method is that over use causes the transducer to get very warm. -Allan This is the method used by the Sustainic Model B acoustic sustainer invented and manufactured by Maniac Music / Allan Hoover... it's still available and documented at their website. Below is a new reply from Alan about his sustainer products... Best, -Miko --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Miko- Actually, I stopped listening in on the Loopers. Sustainiac takes up more and more of my time, and it was taking up too much time to go through the many posts. I did have the pleasure of meeting and talking with Kim Flint at the LA NAMM show in early Feb. Thanks for your plug, by the way. The Stealth Plus is finally shipping. It is for guitars having a single-coil neck pickup, such as your Strat. The driver functions as a neck pickup when the sustainer is off. (Like our old Sustainiac GA-2.) Since you haven't installed yet, you might want to consider trading your Stealth in on a Plus. Let me know. Also, I don't know if you've visited the website recently. It was updated a while back, with a lot of new info. http://www.sustainiac.com You can post my message to the Loopers if you like. Let me know how your installation comes out. Regards, Alan PS: If you post my message to Loopers, you might also mention that I will be at NAMM in Nashville, booth #2156. I welcome all visitors. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 15:15:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14714; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <392ABCAC.19FD5D67@best.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:58:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Doohicky - EBow - Sustainer availability... Resent-Message-ID: <"EF2lb1.0.-c.wJjAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My experience trying Fernandes guitars is that they tend to be less controlled than the E-Bow -- i.e., all of the strings want to get in on the action unless you carefully damp them. Am I just doing the wrong thing with the settings? The GR500 also plays the extended sustain game and seems to be somewhat more controllable though perhaps not quite as infinite. Has anyone tried doing something similar with a more modern divided pickup? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 15:30:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03145; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:30:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392AD87E.DD979AA0@best.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:06 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? References: <000901bfc4b3$6ed1da60$db2a9d3e@oemcomputer> <392AC7AC.39C03526@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2MwuC3.0.zg3.lZjAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please disregard my previous email about the unavailability of transducers! I had no idea that the Sustainiac (model B) was in fact a transducer system. Thank you, David, for posting the Sustainiac URL. I had given up the idea of ever finding the necessary components for building an "infinite sustain feedback system" for my Chapman Stick. It looks like the Sustainiac is exactly what I need. -Allan David Beardsley wrote: > Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > > > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the > > > Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since > > > you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. > > > > > Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a > > favorite guitar? > > Not by Fernandez but from the folks who > designed the Fernandez pickup: > > http://sustainiac.com/ > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * xouoxno@virtulink.com > * > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor > * > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 15:28:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01346; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:28:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000523191705.21733.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Doohicky - EBow - Sustainer availability... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AygWv2.0.Y-3.vajAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://sustainiac.com/ makes this style (acoustic sustainer) also. bret --- Allan Hoeltje wrote: > There is another way to induce sustain in a guitar > and that is by physically attaching a transducer to > a "sweet spot" on the body. The signal out from the > guitar is split: one to your regular FX/amp, the > other to > a volume pedal and amp that feeds the transducer. A > fellow on the Chapman Stick list by the name of > "Stick Dragon", aka Arthur Durkee, developed this > system for his Stick. He calls it the "Infinite > Sustain > Feedback System". Unfortunately, the company that > made the transducer no longer sells them and I have > not found any available alternatives. One downside > of this method is that over use causes the > transducer to > get very warm. > > -Allan > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > >>Yeah but are they available as a separate unit > to be installed in a favorite guitar? > > > > > Unfortunately, no. > > > > Well... I guess the Stealth Sustainiac system (in > a guitar I'm building) being produced by Maniac > Music is in a category all by itself then... 8-) > > > > Alan Hoover has been producing one version or > another of a similar design as the Fernandes > "Sustainer" since before Fernandes was making > them... mostly because he was the guy they > "liscensed" their design from. > > > > Anyway... I've copied Alan on this post and maybe > he'd like to provide us all with some updated > information concerning his Sustainiac systems. > > > > Best regards, > > -Miko > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 15:39:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12040; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:39:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:29:34 -0700 To: Matthias Grob , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: 2D pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"y08xf.0.jx.unjAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:27 AM -0300 5/23/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >Alex seems to be very creatif: > >>However, I have made my own "joypedal" to control the mixer-morpher >>Max patch I mentioned recently, and it would >>work fine for any two voltage control inputs. It's based on a >>Yamaha CV pedal. I have used it for about five years, on and off, >>and it hasn't failed yet. If there are enough people interested I >>will make some more, let me know. > >sounds great! >So the whole pedal is turnable? >Is the output a voltage or is there a potentiometer in it? Yes, the whole pedal is turnable, over about a 70 degree range, on a circular base. The center of the twisting motion is aligned with the leg bone, more or less, so it is possible to adjust the up-down position and left-right position independently, with practice. I play standing up and I've put a lot of weight on it. I am not sure how easy it would be to use with a guitar on your knee! There is a potentiometer in it, in addition to the potentiometer that was already in the pedal for the normal up-down axis. Two TRS jacks, I plug into an old Yamaha MCS2 MIDI fader box. Does the EDP use potentiometer pedals? > >>I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis >>of control without spraining my ankle :-) >> > >I thought about that too. I guess for a simple short way, almost >on-off, it should be possible! Or a switch on each side of the >movement. Yes, maybe a pressure sensor on the ball of the foot. Or five little tiny toe-pedals... I remember ads for a wah-wah pedal that didn't move, it was a little blob, you stood on it and shifted your weight around. Anyone ever try one of those? -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 16:22:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12681; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:22:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfc4f4$04ca62e0$ae83abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: Jam Man question Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:17:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFC504.AAE5EF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"E4n-i1.0.zj1.UMkAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFC504.AAE5EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On J.M. manual the Nec chips mentioned for the upgrade from 8 to 32 = seconds are named as: "D424400V". Are the ones named "D424400V-80" the same ? Can they be used ? Why have they the "feets" curved liike a "u" and not straight ? Thanks for helping words. L. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFC504.AAE5EF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On J.M. manual the Nec chips mentioned = for the=20 upgrade from 8 to 32 seconds are named as: "D424400V".
Are the ones named "D424400V-80" the = same ? Can=20 they be used ?
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFC504.AAE5EF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 16:43:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29211; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:43:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:43:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <22.6300909.265c43c4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:27:48 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video/ Music Tek services To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"eUAiM3.0.2Q4.rdkAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 4/28/0 5:03:43 AM, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: >I want one!!!! If I could ever get my #ucking EDP back from J.L. and Music >Tec Services in North Hollywood. THEY HAVE HAD IT SINCE JAN!!!!!!!!!! > I've forgotton if it way a neat tool or not. It was brand new and wouldn't >keep the echo going!!! Now he's waiting for parts!!! Anyone else had bad luck >with those people. I feel shined on by them!!! They won't even return >phone calls!!! Om and bitch and Out Papa Dave I have to say, I used to go there but I've been real disappointed the last couple times I had work done there... a couple months ago I brought a pedal in, needed a RUSH job for a gig. They told me they'd get back with an estimate. The good news was they fixed it in two days! That's because it was simply a bad battery clip. I ended up paying $60+ for the resolder of the clip - they still considered it a rush even though it was obviously repaired during the estimate check, which would have happened rush or no rush. That wasn't so bad, though. It was the fact that the box was reassembled in such a RUSH that the three pots were LOOSE, and so was a jack. This was so obvious to anyone picking up the pedal, Took 10 minutes out of my stage prep to re-assemble the thing. That's the last time I pay an extra fee to them to RUSH when putting my unit back together! Any word on your EDP? I could stop by for you, Papa, if you're having trouble. eric p echo park > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 16:51:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07774; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:51:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:51:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000523204150.3883.qmail@nwcst267.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 23 May 00 21:41:50 BST From: MARK SARGEANT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I love my ebow. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA28312 Resent-Message-ID: <"ObBZM3.0.ew6.KqkAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, Just want to say it is excellent to see so much ebow activity. my ebow was one of the best things I ever bought. Can't believe I got it for Ł20 as its price less for what it can do. Only thing that is nearly there is a Boss feedback disdtortion pedal that simulates feeback when placing your foot on the pedal. mark ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 17:12:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26431; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:12:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392AF1BB.6A9F797A@node.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:01:47 -0400 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? References: <200005232023.QAA13498@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7iAce1.0.sY4.28lAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com try one on a piano soundboard -- there was an upright's soundboard serving as an uber-coffee table at school, which made the most netherworldly drones, coaxing other sympathetic netherworldly drones from nearby strings. ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 17:43:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29356; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:43:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000523080234.8092.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:21:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? Resent-Message-ID: <"S7bVd2.0.Vs4.-ZlAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 5/23/00 Stephen queried? > >I was thinking on using it on an acoustic stringed >instrument (a tamboura, if you must know)...they give >it the nod for use on acoustic instruments, but not >much information on what to expect except that there >is no 'hot spot', so some the playing styles would not >work, and it will be quieter. Dear Stephen, The ebow works quit nicely on acoustic guitars. It will give a the nice warm sustain. There is a "hot spot" but not in the sense of on an electric.The "hot spot" that Ihave found on acoustics is where you can get the maximum effect of the unit. For less than $100 US it is a definate fun gadget. I've always loved the sound of a tambours, not sure it needs an ebow but experiment away. I once had five of these babies on the inside of a grand piano. Lots of fun. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 18:43:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22675; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:43:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005001bfc506$5db3bfc0$b2954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:29:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YHv3Y3.0.972.MImAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been using the e-bow with a variety of non-guitar acoustic stringed instruments (including tanpura) and it *is* as good as everyone claims. :-) A couple of pointers: 1) as Bobdog mentioned since the e-bow's magnetic it simply won't work with brass or bronze strings (usually the PA and low SA on tanpura). You can often replace the PA (1st) string on the tanpura with a comparably thick steel string and suffer no loss of tone. The low SA string is tougher. I'm sure you could substitute a very thick steel string, but I'd be concerned with having too much tension on the neck, as well as cutting into the wooden tuning peg and the face of the instrument. 2) I've encountered similar problems with the sitar and surbahar, since only the main playing string on each is steel. The lower octave strings are bronze, so no go. Another problem with these instruments is that it's very difficult to keep the right hand (which is holding the e-bow) moving smoothly enough to follow the 3, 4, or 5-note bending meends (lateral pulling) that the left hand is executing. Maybe some of the guitarists on the list can offer some suggestions? Also, the e-bow in the absence of a pickup tends to be fairly soft and so generally does not excite the sympathetic strings the way that plucking does. 3) Double-course strings (like those on a 12-string guitar) or triple course (like a Turkish baglama) are also really tough -- if the strings are extremely close together they tend to vibrate against each other, cancelling the sound entirely. I've found I've had to really focus on a single string and hope that the others don't get too much in the way. 4) Back to the tanpura (and to looping) -- I've found that a really rich drone can be created by looping the plucked sound of the tanpura first, then overdubbing a single e-bowed string (or multiple overdubs of the strings). With a little practice you can also get lovely effects by occasionally tapping the string very lightly at one of the harmonic nodes while it's already vibrating. You'll also find that by experimenting with the distance that it's held from the string you can produce many different overtones, etc. 5) I've used the e-bow with all these instruments both unamplified as well as with temporary pickups. Of course there's a bit more control with the pickup and amp volume settings, but nothing like an electric guitar (since I don't position my pickups directly beneath the strings). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 22:52:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01133; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:52:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:52:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392AFCEF.9EEDC2E7@texas.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:49:37 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: More Ebow nonsense... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AIyhT2.0.wB7.vAqAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on the subject of ebows - i have one of the old chrome plated models w/no switch; believe it or not it does sound a bit different than the black or grey models...really. my problem is that the l.e.d. died & i'm wanting to know if there is anyone who could fix it for me? ideas? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue May 23 23:58:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09077; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:58:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:48:27 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Philly looping gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Q6sR2.0.oQ.87rAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm the looper on this show!!!! - db ******************************************** Doug Boyce & David Laganella piano & cello duo David Beardsley microtonal guitar synthesizer [Temple In The Ear (2000)] Aharon Varady sound collage -- Music Annex 201 S. 34th St. 215 898 0039 saturday, 3 june 2000 8PM- no admission charge The Music Annex is right off of 34th Street- tucked behind the Music and Morgan buildings: http://www.upenn.edu/fm/map/m0365.html Directions: http://www.upenn.edu/fm/map/dir.html --BEGIN BONUS INFORMATION-- -- Doug Boyce Douglas Boyce was born in 1970 in New York, New York. After performing with a variety of punk rock bands in the greater New York metropolitan area, he attended Williams College, from which he received a Bachelor of Arts in Physics and Music, with honors, in 1992; in 1996, he received a Master of Arts Degree in Composition from the University of Oregon. He is currently pursuing a PhD at the University of Pennsylvania, where he is a William Penn Fellow. He has studied with Robert Suderburg, David Kechley, Andy Jaffe, Robert Kyr, Kathryn Alexander, Yinam Leef, James Primosch and George Crumb. Mr. Boyce remains active in many genres and fields of music. His PhD essay addresses issues of text-music relations in 13th Century French vocal music. As an improviser and conductor he has led numerous workshops and performances of John Zorn's COBRA improvisation system. Mr. Boyce has written music for theatrical productions on both coasts; he has worked with JMandle Performance on The Muslin Plays, a film and performance project in New York. Current projects include 'dogshow,' a collaborative film project with San Francisco Video artist Anne Etheridge. His works have been performed, among elsewhere, in Philadelphia; New York; Aspen, Colorado; Frankfurt, Germany; Prague, Czech Republic; and Yokohama, Japan. http://www.electrotone.com/ci/ -- David Laganella [FROM A RECENT CONCERT PROGRAM] With strong regard for the western music tradition and sensitivity for the avant-garde, David Paul Laganella is composing music that blends a variety of contemporary genres cohesively into his own personnel style. His music, with overwhelming intensity, combines lush chromatic harmonies, sweeping lyrical motives, and great dynamic contrast. Laganella was born January 10, 1974 in Stratford, New Jersey.He grew up in a musical environment where he studied cello, piano, and guitar. His formal music studies began at the Berklee School of Music where he enrolled to study jazz and improvisation. It was there he was introduced to twentieth century concert music and given his first lectures in composition. Laganella went on to pursue his composition studies at New York University. While in Manhattan, he spent one year as the apprentice conductor of the New York Youth Symphony where he studied conducting, orchestration, and lead rehearsals at Carnegie Hall. He graduated from NYU cum laude with a bachelors degree in composition and theory. Presently, Laganella is a Ph.D. candidate and Teaching Fellow at the University of Pennsylvania. Recently, he received a scholarship prize to study with Betsy Jolas at the American Conservatory in Fontainebleau, France. He has also received awards from The Society of Composers Incorporated and from The Orchestral Society of Philadelphia. Laganella has studied composition with Marc-Antonio Consoli, James Primosch, Jay Reise, and Steve Mackey. His music is available for rental at The Edwin Fleishier Collection of Music at the Free Library of Philadelphia. http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~davidlag/ -- David Beardsley Temple In The Ear (2000) is for synthesizer tuned to the naturally occurring harmonic series - just intonation. David Beardsley has been making music for many years but only started to compose seriously in 1993. Recent performances include the Trenton Avant Garde Festival, Downtown Music Gallery, the American Festival Of Microtonal Music, NYU and the Knitting Factory. He is currently studying Hindustani raga with La Monte Young and Michael Harrison. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/db.htm -- Aharon Varady is rumored to be the brains AND brawn behind the Philadelphia Ambient Consortium [Music and Noise]: http://www.simpletone.com/spaceling.htm http://www.simpletone.com/ -- The Music Annex is just a building. http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/music/annex/ contact: elew@sas.upenn.edu -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 07:09:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10263; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005c01bfc3e8$9f439a60$97d89b3e@oemcomputer> References: <20000521035439.19168.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> <005c01bfc3e8$9f439a60$97d89b3e@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:05:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP FOOT CONTROLLER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l61Ga.0.sb1.8TxAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Brett, >thanks for writting is definetly the foot pedal. It seems that the next loop >and the mute button are broken. Its getting on my nerves everytime having to >change this switches i´ve already changed the record and undo button because >they were acting up.I am in a very normal climate and there isn´t much >static here. then again i am not an electronic wizard. is there a better >solution as far as reliability? what switches are you using? >thanks again in advance! I use modified bespeco pedals. They look exactly like the Roland. The original construction has a long action. So I build a plastic part into it to reduce it and use a keyboard type of switch. I think I talked about it before. I showed the modified bespeco switches to Gibson (since we used them for the PARADIS LOOP delay), but they did not like the price... If there are more users interested, we should either - convince some enterprise like bespeco to build those kind of switches or - ask Gibson to manufacture a more expensive pedal or - put a description of the mod on our site for DIY. As for now, there are many higher priced, usualy tiny cylindric switches that dont fail. You would have to adapt them with a washer to fit in the whole and maybe adapt a bigger button... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 07:09:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10833; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:09:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:09:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:05:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: String exciter doohicky? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"4iGCK.0.aS1.bSxAv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >> > Fernandes guitars makes a built in unit in selected guitars called the >>> Sustainer system. I think the sustainer system is much better IMO, since >>> you can 'blend' how much of the sustained signal with the non-sustained. >>> >>Yeah but are they available as a separate unit to be installed in a >>favorite guitar? > >Unfortunately, no. > >Apparently, Fernandes offered the 'Sustainer' as a kit, but quickly backed >out of it because there was no incentive to buy Fernandes guitars. At >least that's what the salesmen told me. They are a pretty reputable shop >and a Fernandes Authorized Dealer as well. > >The Fernandes guitars are not bad, though. I was thinking of purchasing >one as a second guitar. Or if you could find a used one cheap, it might be >interesting to pull the electronics and put them in your favorite axe. > >rich They told me in Frankfurt when it came out that the resonances are too much depending on the guitar and need to be tuned, so the system is not really portable to any guitar. This makes sense to me, but may not be significant or just an excuse... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 15:17:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16145; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:17:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000524191119.25330.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"_QZLH3.0.np1.Wb2Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- James Pokorny wrote: > I've used the e-bow with all these instruments > both unamplified as well > as with temporary pickups. In general for looping accoustic instruments, as well as specifically for these Indian gourd-based instruments, what type mike works well...(i've had bad luck with contact mikes on a sitar) I'm currently considering the Crown miniature omnidirectional mikes or binaural mikes a couple of folks mentioned here before for looping several percussion & stringed instruments, as well as occassional field sample recording. How does one deal with isolating the new loop material from the currently sounding loop if you're not using a contact mike? Is it usually an issue? > 1) as Bobdog mentioned since the e-bow's magnetic > it simply won't work with > brass or bronze strings ahhh, i hadn't even thought of that. I have a female vocal tamboura and Ali Akbar school told me that the 'pa' on these is usally steel, (mine is bronze) as are the 2 'sa's, so i'm getting new strings, and 3 outa 4 ain't bad. > generally does not excite the sympathetic strings bummer! > 4) Back to the tanpura (and to looping) -- I've > found that a really rich > drone can be created by looping the plucked sound of > the tanpura first, then > overdubbing a single e-bowed string (or multiple > overdubs of the strings). good idea. I'm looking to also use the tamboura as a poor-man's vichitra veena (the fretless one) by using a slide on it with the ebow. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 15:51:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21340; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:51:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"j_pwF2.0.I82.z13Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >How does one deal with isolating the new >loop material from the currently sounding loop if >you're not using a contact mike? Is it usually an >issue? Yes, I find it can be a real issue. Here's some things I've found out: 1) Close mic. Even if you have to play quieter than normal. E.g., when I close mic my claves I must gently tap them. 2) Use directional mics. 3) Play in quiet places for quiet audiences. 4) Avoid playing outdoors in the wind. (Avoid playing indoors in the wind also! :) 5) Keep on-stage sound levels as low as possible. Sometimes I monitor through headphones. 6) If possible, mute unused mics. Of course, you have to go with the flow. I was playing a small bookstore once and as I started an overdub, a young lady in the front sneezed. When she heard the looping sneeze she started giggling. When she heard the looping giggles, she lost it completely and started laughing so hard she began hiccuping. When she heard the looping laughing hiccuping...well... Not what I intended but so what.... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 16:40:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06841; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:21:00 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"hIBzp.0.oO.Gd3Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's gotta be a way to make an optical reflective microphone. Didn't someone already do this for a guitar pickup? At 2:42 PM -0500 5/24/00, Dennis W. Leas wrote: > >How does one deal with isolating the new > >loop material from the currently sounding loop if > >you're not using a contact mike? Is it usually an > >issue? > >Yes, I find it can be a real issue. Here's some things I've found out: >1) Close mic. Even if you have to play quieter than normal. E.g., >when I close >mic my claves I must gently tap them. >2) Use directional mics. >3) Play in quiet places for quiet audiences. >4) Avoid playing outdoors in the wind. (Avoid playing indoors in >the wind also! >:) >5) Keep on-stage sound levels as low as possible. Sometimes I monitor through >headphones. >6) If possible, mute unused mics. > >Of course, you have to go with the flow. I was playing a small bookstore once >and as I started an overdub, a young lady in the front sneezed. >When she heard >the looping sneeze she started giggling. When she heard the looping giggles, >she lost it completely and started laughing so hard she began hiccuping. When >she heard the looping laughing hiccuping...well... Not what I intended but so >what.... > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 18:17:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17936; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:17:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000524220835.24588.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8kLAn3.0.Cj2.hB5Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com priceless. makes me wonder what other sorts of impromptu audience participation / environment sounds one could loop, run through effects and incorporate into a piece - a baby's babble, applause, that damn espresso machine.... stephen > Of course, you have to go with the flow. I was > playing a small bookstore once > and as I started an overdub, a young lady in the > front sneezed. When she heard > the looping sneeze she started giggling. When she > heard the looping giggles, > she lost it completely and started laughing so hard > she began hiccuping. When > she heard the looping laughing hiccuping...well... > Not what I intended but so > what.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 19:43:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13705; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:43:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000524194030.007b5c80@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:40:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) In-Reply-To: <20000524220835.24588.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ijGzi.0.FO1.jU6Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I did something like that at a jam once; the drummer's young stepdaughter insisted on singing, and I knew she wouldn't go away until we let her, so I set her up with a mic plugged into my looping rig and snagged a few quick layers that sounded rather unearthly. I faded the mic out and we built some surprisingly cool parts around the loop, but at the end of the piece the recording is marred (or enhanced, depending on your perspective) by the gradeschool diva's screech of "HEY! You cut my sound off! Right in the middle, you cut my sound off!" Along with live instruments, I often mix in looped recordings of environmental sounds such as birdsong, treefrogs, bees, etc., as well as the ubiquitous babbling baby that's appeared on countless sound effects recordings. (I swear the same one keeps showing up; you'd know it if you heard it!) They come in handy in smoothing transitional parts; changing instruments, setting up patches on the fly and so forth... I'd like to try hanging a mic over the audience to grab and loop little bits of chatter. Haven't tried it yet, though; I wonder if I'd get more signal or howling feedback! Hmmm, must try this... Tim At 03:08 PM 5/24/00 -0700, Stephen wrote: >priceless. makes me wonder what other sorts of >impromptu audience participation / environment sounds >one could loop, run through effects and incorporate >into a piece - a baby's babble, applause, that damn >espresso machine.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 19:49:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19885; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:49:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006601bfc5d5$c7abe360$de9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> Subject: Routing question Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:13:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"YTQIX3.0.Op3.Cc6Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, Excuse my ignorance but i am still mistified by effects routing. I notice that my GP 100 sounds cleaner when i put into the effects loop of my tube amp, specially the delays and reverbs,but the distortions seem to have a bit more punch if it goes directly into the input of the amp. Today i tried to put both my GP 100 along with my Korg A2 into the effects loop and it sounded weird. Am i only supposed to run one effects processor into one effects loop? I wonder how fripp and belew do this. Here is my set up maybe you have some better suggestions: GR 09 out to GP 100 back to GR 09´s return.( this way i can mix the synth with the GP 100´s sounds separate from each other.) GR 09 stereo outputs to KORG A2 (stereo inputs) out to amps.( this way i can proccess the synth sounds with the korg) EDP in the effects loop of one amp, Boomerang in the effects loop of the other. Problem 1: since the GR 09 only has 1 return, i can only take one output of the GP 100 into the GR 09 and the signal of the GP is not in stereo. 2: The EDP has CD quality sound but is mono and the boomerang sounds very lo-fi and a bit noisy in comparison.Not that great when i am trying to do stereo orchestral string soundscapes (Yes i know you are thinking of a solution buy a second EDP!) 3: i would like to route some analog stomp boxes and wahs through this small rack. I tried to put them into the effects loop of the GP bit they sound a bit noisy. I ve been checking out some of this rackmount mixers like the DMC ground link and the expensive sound sculpture. I just don´t know if this would help or bring more noise into the signal.Does anybody use this? Is it better to run digital effects processors and preamps through a separate power amp or does it make any difference using combo amps? I appreciate your experienced suggestions guys! Thanks Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 19:51:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21548; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:51:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006501bfc5d5$c70babc0$de9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000523173506.25481.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Sustaniac question Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:25:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"yU2vA2.0.ap3.Cc6Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do you know if is possible to build the Sustaniac it into a strat which already has the roland GK electronics built in? How is the service and work by sustainiac, has anybody had a guitar worked on? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 20:34:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04714; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:34:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:29:55 EDT Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"_O4MM3.0.cI.oG7Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used an e-bow on an acoustic guitar in '93 (or '94)? on a song called, "We don't Know" in my "pop" group's (Honey Barbara's) first CD, "FeeLotLoopHole" (Emigre). I think it worked well as a "wash." James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 20:39:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13052; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:39:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Inverse Pan? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"3nbx6.0.Nj7.yE7Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you hook two mono inputs to the outputs of a Stereo Pan Pedal, can you get their "Mixed" sum at one of the inputs? I'm looking for a way to make mixing my floor effects easier... Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 20:45:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21051; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:45:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bfc5e2$48bd27a0$2fb7bace@internet> From: "Gerry P" To: References: <20000523173506.25481.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> <006501bfc5d5$c70babc0$de9cb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Sustaniac question Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:43:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"up9_X2.0.LW3.VQ7Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Sustaniac question > Do you know if is possible to build the Sustaniac it into a strat which > already has the roland GK electronics built in? How is the service and work > by sustainiac, has anybody had a guitar worked on? I had them wire a mini-Sey.Duncan humbucker to the Sustainiac and then I replaced my two bridge pickups in my Godin LG with the assembly - and it works and sounds great. >From what I remember, they make a Sustainiac to replace a single coil and one to replace a mini-humbucker; The best person to ask about your strat is Alan Hoover at Maniac (manufacturer of the Sustainiac) - he is a great guy to talk to and aims to please his customers - someone already posted their www in an earlier reply. Gerry From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 24 22:58:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31737; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:58:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:58:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000525025005.51695.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.161] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP tutorial Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:50:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fGddD1.0.wr5.0K9Bv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi oh wizards of EDP...My problem is that I can't get to loop/delay. I hit the parameters button and the row indicator lights up to the "timing" row but It's not working........I am synced to drum machines but have a jamman as the controller with the EDP synced to it. I also cannot get to reverce in the way I have it set up...I hit the parameter button and try to scroll down to reverse and nothing happens at all no light changes no engagement to the other parameters...does being synced with midi from other devices prevent me from moving around the other parameters? Any help would be great. Thanks Papa Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 00:27:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28326; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:27:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.5a13d5c.265e0131@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:08:17 EDT Subject: Looping & mikes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"lIS733.0.GZ3.XTABv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Back in the late 70's my musical partner and I both worked as radio dispatchers for a rural Ohio fire department and would often set up our 2 reel to reels and loop if we had adjoining shifts or if we had a day off and the other guy didn't ,we'd loop all night in the meeting room in the fire house. One night we set up early and used the set up to loop the proceedings of that month's "officers meeting"(they knew not).One of the more amusing non-musical loops I've ever heard was the result.Of all the open mike loop subjects though ,the piano still yields the most interesting results for me along with dense vocal loops. B.Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 03:12:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01522; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:12:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bfc618$4bb178e0$8183abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> <006601bfc5d5$c7abe360$de9cb8d4@oemcomputer> Subject: R: Routing question Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:07:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"SLQOK3.0.K05.L0DBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, It is very interesting to compare one's solution to other's ones. I tell you mine: I have a clean sound from a Studio Preamp (before it I have some pedals) this goes into a tube mixer that has two stereo sends; each one follows different paths: one into a gtr4000 and the other into a gsp2101. Through a 3 way footswitch I can decide to hear the dry signal from preamp, the send 1 or the send 2. They are all in parallel, so I can switch any combination I like. I found this mechanical (non-midi) control very useful and creative because I can insert fast any "channel" I want without having to associate it to a midi patch that would be fixed for each program. The stereo outs of this Mixer (that has three tubes, one in the input and two in the stereo output) go to a small and cheap line mixer that has auxes where I connect my EDP. I have find this solution very practical and "open". Hope this could be helpful. Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Angulo To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:13 AM Subject: Routing question > Hello there, > Excuse my ignorance but i am still mistified by effects routing. I notice > that my GP 100 sounds cleaner when i put into the effects loop of my tube > amp, specially the delays and reverbs,but the distortions seem to have a bit > more punch if it goes directly into the input of the amp. Today i tried to > put both my GP 100 along with my Korg A2 into the effects loop and it > sounded weird. Am i only supposed to run one effects processor into one > effects loop? I wonder how fripp and belew do this. Here is my set up maybe > you have some better suggestions: > > GR 09 out to GP 100 back to GR 09´s return.( this way i can mix the synth > with the GP 100´s sounds separate from each other.) GR 09 stereo outputs to > KORG A2 (stereo inputs) out to amps.( this way i can proccess the synth > sounds with the korg) EDP in the effects loop of one amp, Boomerang in the > effects loop of the other. > > Problem 1: since the GR 09 only has 1 return, i can only take one output of > the GP 100 into the GR 09 and the signal of the GP is not in stereo. > 2: The EDP has CD quality sound but is mono and the boomerang sounds very > lo-fi and a bit noisy in comparison.Not that great when i am trying to do > stereo orchestral string soundscapes (Yes i know you are thinking of a > solution buy a second EDP!) > 3: i would like to route some analog stomp boxes and wahs through this small > rack. I tried to put them into the effects loop of the GP bit they sound a > bit noisy. > I ve been checking out some of this rackmount mixers like the DMC ground > link and the expensive sound sculpture. I just don´t know if this would help > or bring more noise into the signal.Does anybody use this? > Is it better to run digital effects processors and preamps through a > separate power amp or does it make any difference using combo amps? > I appreciate your experienced suggestions guys! > Thanks > Luis > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 04:55:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02401; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:55:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005301bfc624$41f41220$a50878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: EDP Rules Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:36:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"C2HFl2.0.aN5.rNEBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'm feeling pretty good, and I've got to tell you why--I sold my Jamman on eBay for a handsome fee and replaced it with the new Gibson EDP (faceplate looks different!), bumped up the memory, and now it seem that there's nothing I can't do with this treasure. The pedal interface is so sophisticated and yet somehow intuitive! It seems like the EDP's default approach is not so much multiple loops, but multiple cycles. That makes for much less dancing on the pedalboards. It doesn't look like I'm going to miss the Jamman at all! This thing certainly sits up and does tricks, doesn't it? Special thanks to Kenny at Sweetwater for getting it into my hands so quickly. So nice not to have to worry about my 32 seconds being up! Judging from the reports of backorders, I think this is an idea whose time is certainly coming, if not already arrived. Nice job guys! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 06:47:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09837; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200005221743.KAA03647@cliff.pixar.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:43:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 2D pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"GVdr63.0.C_.GEGBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 6:27 AM -0300 5/23/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Alex seems to be very creatif: >> >>>However, I have made my own "joypedal" to control the >>>mixer-morpher Max patch I mentioned recently, and it would >>>work fine for any two voltage control inputs. It's based on a >>>Yamaha CV pedal. I have used it for about five years, on and off, >>>and it hasn't failed yet. If there are enough people interested I >>>will make some more, let me know. >> >>sounds great! >>So the whole pedal is turnable? >>Is the output a voltage or is there a potentiometer in it? > >Yes, the whole pedal is turnable, over about a 70 degree range, on a >circular base. The center of the twisting motion is aligned with the >leg bone, more or less, so it is possible to adjust the up-down >position and left-right position independently, with practice. I >play standing up and I've put a lot of weight on it. I am not sure >how easy it would be to use with a guitar on your knee! you mean it has a lot of friction? may be an advantage for standing use, but... no, I dont want to make any efforts ;-) >There is a potentiometer in it, in addition to the potentiometer >that was already in the pedal for the normal up-down axis. is it the potentiometer that causes the friction or is it the turning mechanics? >Two TRS jacks, I plug into an old Yamaha MCS2 MIDI fader box. Does >the EDP use potentiometer pedals? yes, but a control voltage also works. >>>I have recently been trying to figure out how to add a third axis >>>of control without spraining my ankle :-) >> >>I thought about that too. I guess for a simple short way, almost >>on-off, it should be possible! Or a switch on each side of the >>movement. > >Yes, maybe a pressure sensor on the ball of the foot. Or five little >tiny toe-pedals... sounds funy, but why not? Lets call it monkey pedal and start to train the toes... I learnd from my good old HAMMOND M3 to control a switch (which I redefined as Leslie speed) in the horizontal plain on the volume pedal. Then I imitated the same lever on my Schaller pedal for Overdub, but ended up simplifying it, without lever, just a keyboard type of switch that is operated toards the left with my right bit toe. Worked easily from the start. >I remember ads for a wah-wah pedal that didn't move, it was a little >blob, you stood on it and shifted your weight around. Anyone ever >try one of those? I built one with a piezo in it. But I dont like to have to press all the time, I want to be able to leave it in some position... As I saw, Chapman made effect pedals on such pressure control principle, right? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 06:47:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09642; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:44:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"sVD6m3.0.p41.ZEGBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I love this, Dennis: >Of course, you have to go with the flow. I was playing a small bookstore once >and as I started an overdub, a young lady in the front sneezed. >When she heard >the looping sneeze she started giggling. When she heard the looping giggles, >she lost it completely and started laughing so hard she began hiccuping. When >she heard the looping laughing hiccuping...well... Not what I intended but so >what.... can we film that for the tutorial? ;-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 07:11:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07509; Thu, 25 May 2000 07:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:11:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:06:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Inverse Pan? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"fdv_w.0.dI.VaGBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you hook two mono inputs to the outputs of a Stereo Pan Pedal, can you >get their "Mixed" sum at one of the inputs? > >I'm looking for a way to make mixing my floor effects easier... > > Kevin > probably not, the stereo pan pot has two independent pots. You need a simple linear pot, feed the outputs of the floor effects to each end of the pot and use the slider as output. you can also mix the two outputs of a Stereo Pan Pedal with two resistors of the size of the pots. Or forget about the pedal and mix the effect outputs with two 10kOhm resistors and turn down the effect you dont need. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 06:47:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09805; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:47:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01cf01bfc5b8$2d2cd370$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:43:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: optical pickup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"WVaz41.0.mw.xDGBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There's gotta be a way to make an optical reflective microphone. >Didn't someone already do this for a guitar pickup? there was a guitar to midi converter called photon that used such an optical PU. The advantages are that its easy to separate strings and mount it without modifying the instruments. The position has to be pretty acurate, vertically, but string bending does not hurt. They claimed that conversion was as quick a light - it was not :-( And I listened once to the pickup: no treble at all. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 07:07:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02564; Thu, 25 May 2000 07:07:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:07:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:59:22 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 25/05/2000 11:59:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"slRvO2.0.k87.mUGBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [Dennis:] >the looping sneeze she started giggling. When she heard the looping giggles, >she lost it completely and started laughing so hard she began hiccuping. When >she heard the looping laughing hiccuping...well... Not what I intended but so >what.... [Matthias:] > can we film that for the tutorial? ;-) i can just see that part of the video with "Reconstruction" superimposed over it .. "When Loops Go Bad, Volume 1" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 09:26:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30362; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:26:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: optical pickup Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfc653$3cd15440$6dc54e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jy5eW2.0.hW5.iVIBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out Harmony Central's factoid/press release http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/LightWave-Optical-Pickup.html LightWave's site is under construction though. PedrOOrdeP >>There's gotta be a way to make an optical reflective microphone. >>Didn't someone already do this for a guitar pickup? > >there was a guitar to midi converter called photon that used such an >optical PU. The advantages are that its easy to separate strings and >mount it without modifying the instruments. The position has to be >pretty acurate, vertically, but string bending does not hurt. > >They claimed that conversion was as quick a light - it was not :-( > >And I listened once to the pickup: no treble at all. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 09:58:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32334; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:58:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:58:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <024801bfc650$8e73f2b0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:53:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"E5kLf.0.Fn6.c0JBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Of course, you have to go with the flow. I was playing a small bookstore once >> . . . >can we film that for the tutorial? ;-) We'll put it on the tutorial's "Outtakes and Bloopers"! :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 10:15:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07427; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <024d01bfc651$58271470$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: ebow, tamboura & accoustic looping (mikes?) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:58:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2zZ_p1.0.qr7.s5JBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'd like to try hanging a mic over the audience to grab and loop little >bits of chatter. Haven't tried it yet, though; I wonder if I'd get more >signal or howling feedback! Hmmm, must try this... You know, Jameco and others have these cheap wireless mic kits http://www.jameco.com/cfm/viewdesc.cfm?part_num=117604 )...small, unobtrusive, easily hidden... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 10:25:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20313; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:25:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392D3655.97E05BE3@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:19:01 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Inverse Pan? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4XfGr1.0.mz2.VPJBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Unit Circle Media wrote: > > If you hook two mono inputs to the outputs of a Stereo Pan Pedal, can you > get their "Mixed" sum at one of the inputs? > > I'm looking for a way to make mixing my floor effects easier... > > Kevin Kevin, i think the best solution is to actually get a mixer ... you can pick up a really basic 4 channel mixer (the tiny little ones) amazingly cheap ... it fixes a hell of a lot of problems too ... i have one of these things and actually stick it on my guitar with two sided tape at times ... as for "reversing" the function of a stereo pan pedal, i think it depends on the actual model ... i remember an old EH A/B switch box worked just as well in reverse ... this seems to be an idiosyncrasy of EH things tho .. brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 11:22:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13438; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:22:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <027501bfc65a$181d8f90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP tutorial Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"DMiOQ.0.lS6.e0KBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi oh wizards of EDP...My problem is that I can't get to loop/delay. > . . . I'm not an EDP wizard, but I play one on the Internet... My guess is that some other device is sending MIDI commands to your EDP in response to your pressing the PARAMETERS button. Perhaps even echoing the PARAMETER button itself (pressing the PARAMETER button may transmit MIDI which is eventually echoed back to the EDP). Try disconnecting the MIDI-IN on your EDP. If this fixes things, scrutinize your MIDI set-up to prevent MIDI feedback. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 13:03:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20460; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:03:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bfc669$8a0ae9e0$9223dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Another one for Frisell Lovers... Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"_hENH2.0.-J3.sfLBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This from the Mi2N newsletter: => KNITTING FACTORY HOLLYWOOD OPENS ITS DOORS AS THE WORLD'S FIRST "SMART CLUB"; Grand Opening of the world famous Knitting factory in Los Angeles June 14 http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=8686 Apparently ol' Bill is playing there the 16th. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 13:17:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31225; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:17:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:10:39 +0200 Subject: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <027501bfc65a$181d8f90$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA27012 Resent-Message-ID: <"rkXTm2.0.rc6.lvLBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hallo, The echoplex DP will able to set in samplerStyle = attack. (Loop III) Can sombody help me. I have no manual and the loop are runing on and on and ... thanks dh -- Dorothée Hahne Neue Musik . Akustische Kunst . Komposition Gummersbacher Str. 27 D - 50679 Koeln fon/fax: 0049 221 881971 email: Hahne@newsic.de http://www.newsic.de From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 13:29:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03808; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:29:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:29:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:20:34 +0200 Subject: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA31822 Resent-Message-ID: <"krhFk.0.Go7.z2MBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hallo, The echoplex DP will not able to set in samplerStyle = attack. (Loop III) Can somebody help me, please? . I have no manual and the loop are runing on and on and .... thanks dh -- Dorothée Hahne Neue Musik . Akustische Kunst . Komposition Gummersbacher Str. 27 D - 50679 Koeln fon/fax: 0049 221 881971 email: Hahne@newsic.de http://www.newsic.de From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 13:44:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18283; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:44:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:37:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: archives/searching? and, good place for DL4 purchase... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"oT3f42.0._z2.pJMBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm back on this great list after a hiatus. However, searching the archives seems to always return nothing. always return nothing, love it. er, and the link to the mailing list archives, isn't right either, it's (thought -- someone's DNS is screwed up, did you switch providers?) I was searching, now I'm here, to find a good place I can mail-order a line 6 DL4... probably an FAQ, right? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 14:29:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28836; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:29:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:29:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02a101bfc674$d9d31aa0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:12:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RXV7g2.0.fO3.BqMBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can sombody help me. I have no manual and the loop are runing on and on and I don't understand what is happening with your echoplex. You'll need to explain more. In the meantime, go to: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and click on "The Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Manual" to get a manual. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 15:06:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01966; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:06:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:58:12 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: archives/searching? and, good place for DL4 purchase... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"jy6GY2.0.FU7.1YNBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:37 AM -0700 5/25/00, Tom Ritchford wrote: >I'm back on this great list after a hiatus. > >However, searching the archives seems to always return nothing. >always return nothing, love it. the search function is screwed up, courtesy of my lame web hosting provider. That problem will be fixed soon, when they become my ex-lame-web-hosting-provider. >er, and the link to the mailing list archives, > > > >isn't right either, it's > > > >(thought -- someone's DNS is screwed up, did you switch providers?) The first one is correct, and should work. (although the second should also work.) It works fine from here. I did nslookup through a variety of dns, they all checked out. if you continue to have a problem accessing the LD site, send me mail and tell me what dns you use. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 15:18:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16920; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:18:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:56:25 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII From: dorothee.hahne@t-online.de (hahne@newsic.de) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02a101bfc674$d9d31aa0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0221881971-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"j6-cp2.0.CM6.oSNBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know why the EDP willnot work in the attack mode of samplerStyle. I trigger all from a midisequenzer and -- www.newsic.de music & art production cologne germany want to record and alter to trigger the recorded loop. But the EDP repeats immediatly after the end of record. But in the samplerStyle modus= Attack it have to mute after the record end. do u understand it better know. Hoping ... greetings from cologne dh > Von: "Dennis W. Leas" > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Datum: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:12:55 -0500 > An: > Betreff: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Neu gesendet am: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:12:40 -0400 > >> Can sombody help me. I have no manual and the loop are runing on and on and > > I don't understand what is happening with your echoplex. You'll need to > explain > more. > > In the meantime, go to: > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and click on "The > Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Manual" to get a manual. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 16:18:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30112; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:18:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02be01bfc685$37d550e0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:10:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qwZcK3.0.MJ5.2YOBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I understand better but perhaps not perfectly. Even more details, including a step-by-step description of what you are trying to do, will help. In the meantime, I hope this information helps. I am away from my EDP/etc. so I can't try it. You'll have to experiment some. I think you want to capture (record) sound into the EDP but not loop the recording immediately. Instead, you want to trigger it from your sequencer. I have never tried this myself, but it should work. First, try ending the recording with MUTE instead of a second press of RECORD. As the manual says on page 4-64: "Ending a recording with Mute is exactly like ending it with Record, except that the audible sound will shut off as soon as you press the Mute button. Once you’re in Mute mode, you can restart the sound with the mute button or with the Alternate Endings under the "Mute" heading in this chapter." You may need to unmute the loop in order to hear it when triggering it from your sequencer. If this is the case, you probably DON"T want to end the recording with MUTE. Instead, set-up the EDP with 2 loops (using MoreLoops). Now, when you record, end the recording with RECORD immediately followed by NEXTLOOP. The second loop is empty so you won't hear anything. You should be able to trigger the first loop via MIDI messages. Good luck! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 17:02:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10578; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:02:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:02:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Inverse Pan? In-Reply-To: <392D3655.97E05BE3@latrobe.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"1u8wL3.0.MH.JAPBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i think the best solution is to actually get a mixer ... you can pick up > a really basic 4 channel mixer (the tiny little ones) amazingly cheap > ... it fixes a hell of a lot of problems too ... i have one of these > things and actually stick it on my guitar with two sided tape at times > ... > Yeah, I have mixer, I was looking for something that I could control a bit more with my feet. The Boss LS-2 is interesting, but not quite there (since it still has knobs for level, but I could get over that with a couple of volume pedals if I was desperate)... I was looking for a cheaper solution... thanks brad, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 17:09:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20469; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:09:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:52:04 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dennis@mdbs.com Subject: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII Resent-Message-ID: <"xlGIC2.0.FJ.VAPBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep... end with MUTE... then you can retrigger one-shot repeats from the beginning of the loop with INSERT. This is great for keeping a loop synced up to a wandering rythym section. just keep hitting insert on the 1... -Miko >>> "Dennis W. Leas" 05/25 1:16 PM >>> I think I understand better but perhaps not perfectly. Even more details, including a step-by-step description of what you are trying to do, will help. In the meantime, I hope this information helps. I am away from my EDP/etc. so I can't try it. You'll have to experiment some. I think you want to capture (record) sound into the EDP but not loop the recording immediately. Instead, you want to trigger it from your sequencer. I have never tried this myself, but it should work. First, try ending the recording with MUTE instead of a second press of RECORD. As the manual says on page 4-64: "Ending a recording with Mute is exactly like ending it with Record, except that the audible sound will shut off as soon as you press the Mute button. Once you*re in Mute mode, you can restart the sound with the mute button or with the Alternate Endings under the "Mute" heading in this chapter." You may need to unmute the loop in order to hear it when triggering it from your sequencer. If this is the case, you probably DON"T want to end the recording with MUTE. Instead, set-up the EDP with 2 loops (using MoreLoops). Now, when you record, end the recording with RECORD immediately followed by NEXTLOOP. The second loop is empty so you won't hear anything. You should be able to trigger the first loop via MIDI messages. Good luck! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu May 25 17:50:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29760; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:32:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP SamplerStyle with LoopIII In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"yuqBG2.0.aP3.8pPBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > hallo, > The echoplex DP will not able to set in samplerStyle = attack. (Loop III) > Can somebody help me, please? . I have no manual and the loop are runing on >and on and sounds to me like you are only sending the note-on message to trigger the loop. You have to then send the corresponding note-off message to end it. I think you are using LoopIIIv3.2 software (from years ago)? that had a bug where it only recognized the NoteOn-Velocity0 type of note-off command, and didn't recognize the midi NoteOff command. Some controllers use one way, some use the other, some let you configure it. that could be your problem too. LoopIIIv5.0 fixed this, and recognizes both methods for noteoff. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 00:16:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11999; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:16:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bfc653$3cd15440$6dc54e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> References: <01bfc653$3cd15440$6dc54e0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:58:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: optical pickup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"6zWjz.0.rC1.eOVBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >>There's gotta be a way to make an optical reflective microphone. >>>Didn't someone already do this for a guitar pickup? >> >>there was a guitar to midi converter called photon that used such an >>optical PU. The advantages are that its easy to separate strings and >>mount it without modifying the instruments. The position has to be >>pretty acurate, vertically, but string bending does not hurt. >> >>They claimed that conversion was as quick a light - it was not :-( >> > > >And I listened once to the pickup: no treble at all. Pedro Felix found: >Check out Harmony Central's factoid/press release >http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/LightWave-Optical-Pickup.html > >LightWave's site is under construction though. >PedrOOrdeP > hm, so it works now? great. All the advantages they mention though are valid for a piezo, too. I wonder what it sounds like... Well, for me it would not serve because I need to access the strings ends with my hand to dampen them (only at attack time, sometimes...) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 00:33:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26479; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:33:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000525235700.0095faf0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:58:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: EDP Rules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"uhIue1.0.6P1.APVBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What? I didn't know there were rules for using it. Don't limit yourselves, people. Break 'em all :) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 02:26:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21272; Fri, 26 May 2000 02:26:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:26:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000526062144.2507.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Is it possible to sync Vortex to EDP? How 'bouts an RDS? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"LRoYn3.0.R65.wVXBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Many thanks to Matthias for the diagram & to Kim for the links for buying the components. Hey, it really works! :) The manual for the Digitech RDS 7.6 indicates that its delay time can be set by an incoming pulse signal. Has anyone on the list used the EDP to do this? Here's how the Digitech manual describes it.... The RDS 2001 and RDS 7.6 are equipped with a ARM/TRIGGER PULSE input. a 1/4-inch mono phone jack, which is designed to be connected to a synchronous +5 volt pulse generator, like a drum machine. When the RDS 2001's or RDS 7.6's DELAY/SAMPLE MODE switch is in the NORMAL position and a pulse is received at the ARM/TRIGGER PULSE jack; the memory is reset, thus adjusting the number of bytes of memory to be used by the delay section. This feature allows synchronizing of the memory-length time with an interval determined by the device generating the sync pulse. When used for sync, the time between the pulses must be less than the delay time of the unit. When the RDS 2001 or RDS 7.6 is in the trigger position, the recorded sample stored in memory can be started by a synchronizing pulse. The time between pulses may be any length of time, however, if it is shorter than the sample length, only part of the sample will be heard before it repeats again. A pulse fed to the ARM/TRIGGER PULSE input jack will also arm the record sample function when the DELAY/SAMPLE MODE switch is in the SAMPLE position (see the section on sample recording). ***************************************************** I hope to be receiving a Digi 7.6 next week as a result of my 1st ebay experience. My thanks to all who have posted RDS info to the list over the years. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 11:14:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07088; Fri, 26 May 2000 11:14:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:14:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392E91C9.692A8B23@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:01:29 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Jamman FS @ $399.999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"59g6J2.0.ER5.s1fBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's at Daddy's Junky music. Dont' everyone call at once... Jamman Ftsw/Ac/Man Vg $399.99 LEX7989 CALL 1-800-366-4323 ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 12:39:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21652; Fri, 26 May 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:39:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project Concert Schedule Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RCQcd.0.Jp2.fqfBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Dark Aether Project Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Guitar/Keyboards/Loops Ray Weston: Vocals/Bass Allen Brunelle: Drums/Percussion/Keyboards/Vocals Steev Geest: 6 & 12 String Guitars/Guitar Synthesizer/Loops 5/27 - Columbus OH - Quarkstock Festival 6/8 - Falls Church VA - The State Theatre 6/14 - New York NY - Knitting Factory (Main Space) 7/1 - Hartford CT - Mandelbrot Festival 7/7 - Neconset NY - Morrill Theatre More dates coming soon. For further concert details and a sneak peek at working demos from the upcoming third Dark Aether Project album, visit http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 12:45:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27885; Fri, 26 May 2000 12:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:45:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:58:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Manual Syncing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"-qfFs1.0.1z2.zwfBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Yep... end with MUTE... then you can retrigger one-shot repeats from >the beginning of the loop with INSERT. This is great for keeping a >loop synced up to a wandering rythym section. just keep hitting insert >on the 1... > Miko! did you try to connect a switch to BeatSync to do this syncing? The advantage is that you are ready to call any other function. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 15:00:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01204; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:09:45 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: Re: EDP Manual Syncing Resent-Message-ID: <"xi3DQ.0.oT6.ivhBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not yet, but it sounds like it might be cool... Now, do you have to have the unit muted for one shot, or can you just keep relocating the beat as the loops continue to play? Thanks Matthias! -Miko >>> Matthias Grob 05/26 9:11 AM >>> >Yep... end with MUTE... then you can retrigger one-shot repeats from >the beginning of the loop with INSERT. This is great for keeping a >loop synced up to a wandering rythym section. just keep hitting insert >on the 1... > Miko! did you try to connect a switch to BeatSync to do this syncing? The advantage is that you are ready to call any other function. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 16:10:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10983; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:10:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <27.6166d51.26602e3f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:45:03 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Therapy - Dance/Movement workshop with guitar loop music Sat. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"DAqWs1.0.284.gHjBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/16/0 7:09:06 AM, crash@waste.org writes: >I'm sure it relaxes me since I emerge sort of pleasantly soma'ed out. >But as far as relaxing others, I've no clue. I've been doing guitar-genereated ambient/textural looping for a weekly dance/movement workshop, which at times resembles a yoga session. It is improvised from scratch and it's great fun to tap into the energy of the dancers - it can get very dynamic and funky-rhythmic, too. I like to have one or two percussion pals there too. Feedback from the movement participants suggests that layered and looped textures that don't have obvious loop points create an atmosphere that supports a given feeling in the dancer. The cylcing of the tones acts as a familiar suspension to work from, a sense of defined space, but not hearing an obvious downbeat or loop point prevents the likelihood of the dancer from simply repeating their phrases or becoming too mechanical. Of course there are times when that's appropriate, too, and we will do a few beat/phrase repitition things as well. Sometimes when I've got a longish loop going, I'll go out to the floor and step into the atmosphere, then as the other players add some elements and I interact with the other dancers, I find the meaning of the music is transformed and I find myself more easily in awe of the sense of space. Inevitably, at the end of the session, most participants are pretty well blissed-out and comment on what a deep experience it was for them, that they found themselves at some point working out some sort of inner conflict or realizing an appreciation of something that had not before been acknowledged. Of course, the movement segments are loosely guided/suggested by our choreographer, much like how a yoga class is conducted (only far less structured). But the loop-cyclic nature of the music is excellent for creating an atmosphere conducive to mental and physical exploration. Oh yeah - we'll be there tomorrow if you want to check it out (Cliff- are you out there?): L.A. Venue on Tamarind St. in Hollywood CA. It's less than half a block south of Sunset Bl. Tamarind is just east of Gower St. There's a big old Arby's cowboy hat on the corner of Sunset and Tamarind. Go south on Tamarind and park. L.A. Venue is a dance studio on the right, on an otherwise residential street. 6PM Saturdays. We're taking the next two weeks off for camping trips. Actually, I won't be returning until July but workshops should resume June 17. More info: eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 16:20:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21352; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:20:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:20:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <44.3f9bd36.2660310d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:57:01 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Therapy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"SCbwC2.0.7-6.pSjBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/16/0 12:11:42 PM, Echophazer@aol.com writes: > the music was pretty bad on them though and I'd rather have CD. they work best >through headphones. >the first time i tried it i think something happened. since i wasn't able to >duplicate the feeling again I'm not sure if it was due to the waves or not. >perhaps if the music was new each time or at least more to my tastes it would >be different. i also wonder if stress plays a part in blocking the >receptiveness of an individual towards the effect. Yeah - or what happens (doesn't happen) when you just don't like the music righ toff the bat? eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 16:21:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21429; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:21:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <003201bfc74d$8e5afc80$4b0e5cd1@become> To: References: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> Subject: R: Philly looping gig Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"fQEeX1.0.SR1.gZjBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At last a show I can get to! I'm trying to coax a newly converted looper into going too.... David, will you be using the guitar with the JI fretboard? > > Doug Boyce & David Laganella > piano & cello duo > > David Beardsley > microtonal guitar synthesizer [Temple In The Ear (2000)] > > Aharon Varady > sound collage > -- > > Music Annex > 201 S. 34th St. > 215 898 0039 > > saturday, 3 june 2000 > 8PM- no admission charge > > The Music Annex is right off of 34th Street- tucked behind the Music > and Morgan buildings: http://www.upenn.edu/fm/map/m0365.html > Directions: http://www.upenn.edu/fm/map/dir.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 16:33:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05032; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:33:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:33:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echoechoparkpark@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.56239ec.26603786@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:24:38 EDT Subject: Re: acoustic ebow experiences? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"IvwUk1.0.P56.fsjBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/23/0 1:08:54 AM, dakshah@yahoo.com writes: >Anyone have any experience with acoustic applications >for this gizmo? I put the ebow up to our tamboura and it didn't do much, even with a pickup. It's hard to imagine improving the sound of that instrument anyway! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 16:51:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25050; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:51:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <392EE117.5022FF9@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:39:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Philly looping gig References: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> <003201bfc74d$8e5afc80$4b0e5cd1@become> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"32kC51.0.7_3.a7kBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com become2@fast.net wrote: > > At last a show I can get to! > I'm trying to coax a newly converted looper into going too.... > > David, will you be using the guitar with the JI fretboard? Nope. There's a bit of a learning curve to that axe so I'll be using my Roland ready Strat & new Korg MS2000 with my echos. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri May 26 23:56:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02992; Fri, 26 May 2000 23:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:56:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <004301bfc78e$158cdda0$6cff0b3f@davidlinn> To: References: <392B510B.737CD082@virtulink.com> <003201bfc74d$8e5afc80$4b0e5cd1@become> Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:46:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"7UAwP3.0.c66.wIqBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm new to the list, although I've been looping for years. Question- I'm looking for an online store that sells the Echoplex Digital Pro. I did a search in Sweetwater, Musician's Friend, and Manny's, but didn't find it. Any recomendations? David Linn Elk Ridge, UT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 00:51:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03202; Sat, 27 May 2000 00:51:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:51:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000527044430.4758.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"JLknI1.0.y_6.uArBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, Contact this guy at Sweetwater Sound. They have the Gibson Echoplex & will supposedly give a discount if you tell them you're with Loopers Delight. Kenny Bergle John --- davelinn@micron.net wrote: > I'm new to the list, although I've been looping for > years. Question- I'm > looking for an online store that sells the Echoplex > Digital Pro. I did a > search in Sweetwater, Musician's Friend, and > Manny's, but didn't find it. > Any recomendations? > > David Linn > Elk Ridge, UT > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 02:38:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11679; Sat, 27 May 2000 02:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:38:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nomanulhaq@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.4e2b3bf.2660c64a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:33:46 EDT Subject: admittedly off-topic To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Resent-Message-ID: <"G9YGF1.0.6n2.mnsBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello to all. This is about as off-topic as you can get but I thought I would give it a shot anyway. Anyone on the list have any experience bringing gear into other countries? I know I need a voltage converter and outlet adapter to plug into the mains (in Cairo) but that's about it. Any suggestions/advice on getting a decent amount of gear, including a Line 6 DL 4 ( I thought I would be vaguely on-topic for a split second) shipped over with me on the plane, customs hassles etc, and what I would need to buy to be able to use the stuff through the mains in Egypt (220 V)? Any info would be more than greatly appreciated, as I am continually imagining what my poor gear would look like melting into little bits of unrecognizable blobs of liqiud metal and plastic. Thanx joe. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 04:02:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15411; Sat, 27 May 2000 04:02:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:02:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bfc7af$567e8680$fc32dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <7f.4e2b3bf.2660c64a@aol.com> Subject: Re: admittedly off-topic Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:44:05 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"corAQ2.0.Q12.7qtBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ditto here. I'm moving to England in September, and am going to figure this out soon myself. I'm told I should account for the total wattage of all devices connected to a single power strip, for instance, and get the appropriate converter that will accommodate that much wattage. Right, folks? Or are the 70s catching up to me sooner than I thought? :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:33 PM Subject: admittedly off-topic > Hello to all. This is about as off-topic as you can get but I thought I would > give it a shot anyway. Anyone on the list have any experience bringing gear > into other countries? I know I need a voltage converter and outlet adapter to > plug into the mains (in Cairo) but that's about it. Any suggestions/advice on > getting a decent amount of gear, including a Line 6 DL 4 ( I thought I would > be vaguely on-topic for a split second) shipped over with me on the plane, > customs hassles etc, and what I would need to buy to be able to use the stuff > through the mains in Egypt (220 V)? Any info would be more than greatly > appreciated, as I am continually imagining what my poor gear would look like > melting into little bits of unrecognizable blobs of liqiud metal and plastic. > Thanx > joe. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 07:21:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17484; Sat, 27 May 2000 07:21:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:21:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 06:49:02 EDT Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"fsbi41.0.aj7.2XwBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You should also try Alto Music-alto@warwick.net-(email).They have and continue to sell more echoplexes than anyone on the planet.Phone 914 692 6922.Good luck From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 08:18:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08869; Sat, 27 May 2000 08:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:18:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bfc7d5$5720ebc0$19aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlists 165 and 166 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:13:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5YhLy2.0.iP1.YnxBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed in a fixed spacing font. Lightning zapped my modem so playlist 165 didn't get out last week. So you get a double shot of playlists all at once...] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #165 May 18, 2000. On this show, I continued month-long focus on soundscape artist Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at Midnight was Cities in Fog 2 on the Projekt label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in support of their upcoming concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ron Boots Sonic Scream The 80's Box (Groove) Revival Transition 3 The Longest Dream (Revival) Revival The End of Time The Longest Dream (Revival) Mind~Flux Une petite surprise numerique Collector's Edition #1 (Manikin) Kevin Keller Convergence Pendulum (Lektronic Soundscapes) Robert Carty Faces in the Trees Sertonin Ashran (Deep Sky) Jeff Greinke Just Like That Ride (First World) Robert Scott Thompson Lattice Blue Day (Aucourant Records) Jeff Pearce Rain as a Metaphor To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) 12:00 am Jeff Greinke Harbor Island Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke Between Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke Still Fall Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke Melt Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke The Corner Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke City Light Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke Night Crawler Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) Jeff Greinke Below * Cities in Fog 2 (Projekt) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at midnight will be "In Another Place" on the Linden Music label. |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----| EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #166 May 25, 2000. On this show, I concluded month-long focus on soundscape artist Jeff Greinke. The feature CD at Midnight was In Another Place on the Linden Music label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in support of their upcoming concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Sante] Awakening Sequences #23 (none) Lambert Floating in Magic Essential (Spheric Music) VA [Tranquillity] Intrinsic Electronic Highlights (Spheric Music) Craig Padilla Star Dive Music for the Mind Vol 1 (none) RAMP Fridge Frozn Radios (none) Jonn Serrie Andromeda Dream Century Seasons (Miramar) Kevin Keller Trio Across the Sky Part Two Iris by Night (none) Jeff Pearce North Refuge Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) 12:00 am Jeff Greinke Ulan In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke In Another Place In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Sing/Splash In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Return In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Sometimes Climbing In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke The Cauldron In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Angles In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Baluran In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Little Summit In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke The Stalker In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Circlefall In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Wind Words In Another Place (Linden Music) Jeff Greinke Lanu In Another Place (Linden Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Dutch musician Ron Boots. Each week's feature CD at midnight will be taken from the Boots 80's Box, a collection of his early cassette releases remastered and other rare tracks. The feature CD at midnight will be "Odds & Ends" on the Groove label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 09:21:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22555; Sat, 27 May 2000 09:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:21:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <002101bfc7dd$eff0d1a0$08ff0b3f@davidlinn> To: References: <20000527044430.4758.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:17:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"OZQxn3.0.bx3.rgyBv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to all who have/will respond to my query. The Echoplex WILL be mine! Mua-hahahaha! David Linn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 17:15:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07236; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000527044430.4758.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:09:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: A dual loop machine Resent-Message-ID: <"Otr8T3.0.dt.2d3Cv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The discussion a while ago regarding undo on the EDP got me thinking in general about snapshoting as a mechanism for undo in a looper. Basically, the idea is that you want to be able to take your current loop at any given time and make a snapshot of it. If you later make changes that you don't like, you can go back to the snapshot. (Or Photoshop-style, you can bounce back and forth between various snapshots.) This, however, got me thinking about what would happen if you had a looper capable of moving pointers through two loops simultaneously. Let's assume we have an A loop and a B loop. Let's also assume that all recording happens in loop A and is subject to the usual EDP operations (multiply, overdub, etc.). A loop consists of a bunch of recorded information and a pointer cycling through it. Here is a list of some possibly interesting operations: 1. Swap A & B. (Since I only allowed for recording in one of them.) 2. Copy loop A to loop B. (i.e., save my loop) 3. Copy B to A. (i.e., restore my loop -- not essentially given swapping but probably useful) 4. Crossfade between A and B. 5. Fade the loop volumes independently. 5. Overdub from B onto A. If the loops are of the same length, this is just a gradual replacement. If they are of different lengths, then this is a way to build up a complex wash. This obviously extends to having more than two loops but the user interface would get more complicated. Would it be possible to support something like this on the EDP? Mapping the options to the available user interface controls might take a bit of work, but I think it's probably doable. (Could we use the feedback input as a general A/B mix control instead?) The big question is whether the EDP has enough processing power to run and mix two simultaneous loops. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat May 27 20:16:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05270; Sat, 27 May 2000 20:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:16:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: become2@fast.net Message-ID: <002f01bfc839$4a376a60$010d5cd1@become> To: References: <7f.4e2b3bf.2660c64a@aol.com> <000c01bfc7af$567e8680$fc32dacf@z8y9w0> Subject: R: admittedly off-topic Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:11:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"lg0Pv2.0.ka.SH6Cv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Ditto here. I'm moving to England in September, and am going to figure this > out soon myself. I'm told I should account for the total wattage of all > devices connected to a single power strip, for instance, and get the > appropriate converter that will accommodate that much wattage. Right, > folks? Or are the 70s catching up to me sooner than I thought? :) That's a good solution for AC gear; for DC items (eg., a DL4), I'd just buy replacement wall warts on arrival. You're less likely to make expensive mistakes later on....though I've found that the wall wart generally fries rather than the gear. Any suggestions/advice > on > > getting a decent amount of gear, including a Line 6 DL 4 ( I thought I > would > > be vaguely on-topic for a split second) shipped over with me on the plane, > > customs hassles etc, and what I would need to buy to be able to use the > stuff > > through the mains in Egypt (220 V My few experiences with Egyptian customs suggest that they could be pretty difficult. At the least, they'd want you to declare all gear on arrival, and take it all out with you when you leave. If you're actually moving, they might want you to pay large amounts of duty. Worth calling the embassy for clarification, I think. Bruce Comens From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 04:32:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06457; Sun, 28 May 2000 04:32:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:32:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:27:13 -0700 Subject: Re: A dual loop machine From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000527232314.ROFV2320.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: <"bynfV3.0.081.mZDCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bob Sellon (the inventor of the Lexicon Jamman) put together a prototype Jamman that was never marketed a couple of years ago. It's all very well documented on the web at his sight: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_2Introduction.htm. Needless to say, his modifications of the Jamman made for one interesting machine! Sadly, his brilliant work never became a commercial product. This Jamman 2 combines both looping and STEREO mixing in the manner you described in your post. It's pretty much limited to midi-control, although Bob made provisions for some basic looping functions by way of three way analogue pedals. As a looper, the modified Jamman paints and then allows manipulation of the most outrageous looping landscapes we've ever played in. Combined with a vintage Lexicon Vortex, the experience is like "taking the red pill." Best, The Roctologists ---------- >From: Mark Hamburg >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: A dual loop machine >Date: Sat, May 27, 2000, 2:09 PM > > The discussion a while ago regarding undo on the EDP got me thinking in > general about snapshoting as a mechanism for undo in a looper. Basically, > the idea is that you want to be able to take your current loop at any given > time and make a snapshot of it. If you later make changes that you don't > like, you can go back to the snapshot. (Or Photoshop-style, you can bounce > back and forth between various snapshots.) > > This, however, got me thinking about what would happen if you had a looper > capable of moving pointers through two loops simultaneously. Let's assume > we have an A loop and a B loop. Let's also assume that all recording > happens in loop A and is subject to the usual EDP operations (multiply, > overdub, etc.). A loop consists of a bunch of recorded information and a > pointer cycling through it. Here is a list of some possibly interesting > operations: > > 1. Swap A & B. (Since I only allowed for recording in one of them.) > > 2. Copy loop A to loop B. (i.e., save my loop) > > 3. Copy B to A. (i.e., restore my loop -- not essentially given swapping > but probably useful) > > 4. Crossfade between A and B. > > 5. Fade the loop volumes independently. > > 5. Overdub from B onto A. If the loops are of the same length, this is just > a gradual replacement. If they are of different lengths, then this is a way > to build up a complex wash. > > This obviously extends to having more than two loops but the user interface > would get more complicated. > > Would it be possible to support something like this on the EDP? Mapping the > options to the available user interface controls might take a bit of work, > but I think it's probably doable. (Could we use the feedback input as a > general A/B mix control instead?) The big question is whether the EDP has > enough processing power to run and mix two simultaneous loops. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 04:28:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03504; Sun, 28 May 2000 04:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:28:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFC88E.EA71EFF0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: OT: sitar-style bridge Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:39:51 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NN_FK3.0.yV7.VSDCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com has anyone ever tried to build a bridge for an electric guitar that creates a sitar-like effect? Even better would be a normal bridge, plus something that can be quickly placed under the strings only when needed. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 09:45:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06484; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:45:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000528094516.007b6ad0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:45:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: sitar-style bridge In-Reply-To: <01BFC88E.EA71EFF0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Lxjsj.0.461.Y8ICv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, I once built a copy of a Coral electric sitar that used the same type of bridge. Rather than as on a normal bridge where to minimize buzz the idea is to have a very small point of contact between string and bridge, on a sitar-type bridge you want to have maximum contact (but very light, to allow the string to vibrate). To allow for the change in string angle as you move to the higher frets and also for your fretboard radius, the bridge must have a gentle curve to it, rather like the cross-section of an airplane's wing, only more subtle. I remember doing a lot of sanding on the block of hardwood I used for mine to get the angle right. I mounted the block on a pair of tune-o-matic posts, and had adjustment screws coming in from the back a la Leo Quan's Badass design for APPROXIMATE intonation tweakage. As far as a bridge that could be quickly popped in, you'd probably run into intonation problems due to shorter scale length. If the guitar you plan to use for this has a separate bridge and tailpiece and you don't mind loosening the strings, you might be able to set something up that would use the same bridge posts and would be FAIRLY quickly interchangeable. Tim At 02:39 PM 5/27/00 +0200, you wrote: >has anyone ever tried to build a bridge for an electric guitar that creates >a sitar-like effect? Even better would be a normal bridge, plus something >that can be quickly placed under the strings only when needed. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 11:55:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04780; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:55:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:55:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:49:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005281549.KAA29450@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA01448 Resent-Message-ID: <"ptRgu1.0.yN.Y1KCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I´m moving to France from Mexico (we use same VC down here in Mexico as in the States)and I was going to ask fot the same question: what to do with VC conversion??? I don´t have problems with my amp wich has a VC selector, but what about effects and loopers??? most of my ground stuff is Electro-Harmonix with power cords, no problem with the ones I can use batteries with, but what with the others?? and with my Boomerang?? do I have to buy a transformer for EACH pedal? one for all?? please we need some advice (very much!) with this!!! Andy in Mexico City From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 11:56:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05684; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:56:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:50:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005281550.KAA29499@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Resent-Message-ID: <"fPZBZ1.0.ZY.E2KCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com where I could by the echoplex IN the UK or France?? any ideas?? At 06:49 a.m. 27/05/00 EDT, you wrote: >You should also try Alto Music-alto@warwick.net-(email).They have and >continue to sell more echoplexes than anyone on the planet.Phone 914 692 >6922.Good luck > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 15:26:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22668; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:26:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200005281907.MAA07899@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:07:19 -0800 Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic Re: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA11734 Resent-Message-ID: <"VHXLX1.0.8u2._vMCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What E H pedals do you use and are they the new ones or the ol' ones? Just wondering,being an ol'EH pedal user myseff!...STANNER ---------- >From: Andy Soto >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic >Date: Sun, May 28, 2000, 7:49 AM > > > I´m moving to France from Mexico (we use same VC down here in Mexico as > in the States)and I was going to ask fot the same question: what to do with > VC conversion??? I don´t have problems with my amp wich has a VC selector, > but what about effects and loopers??? most of my ground stuff is > Electro-Harmonix with power cords, no problem with the ones I can use > batteries with, but what with the others?? and with my Boomerang?? do I have > to buy a transformer for EACH pedal? one for all?? please we need some > advice (very much!) with this!!! > > Andy in Mexico City > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun May 28 23:36:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26496; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:36:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:17:11 EDT Subject: Re: OT: sitar-style bridge To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"TF4DU2.0.qq4.S5UCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -This is going to be a very weak lead but I do recall a company (individual?) that made some sort of device you could install on electric or acoustic guitars that produced sitar-like sounds. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the company even though I do remember talking to them and receiving their catalog in the mail!! (at 35 my brain is already fogging up). I do recall they advertised in Guitar Player for a while - good luck in your search! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 00:53:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09271; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:53:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:53:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005281549.KAA29450@servidor.unam.mx> References: <200005281549.KAA29450@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 13:58:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xikkB2.0.qY1.KQVCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I´m moving to France from Mexico (we use same VC down here in Mexico as >in the States)and I was going to ask fot the same question: what to do with >VC conversion??? I don´t have problems with my amp wich has a VC selector, >but what about effects and loopers??? most of my ground stuff is >Electro-Harmonix with power cords, no problem with the ones I can use >batteries with, but what with the others?? and with my Boomerang?? do I have >to buy a transformer for EACH pedal? one for all?? please we need some >advice (very much!) with this!!! Just one, and since it can be an economy type (just one winding with a tapper in the middle) its not even so big. Here we have 110 and 220 in the same city, everyone has a transformer of 500-1000 VA which is cheap and about 4kg and than just connect all to it. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 01:09:13 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19751; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:09:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005281550.KAA29499@servidor.unam.mx> References: <200005281550.KAA29499@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 13:55:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"JwhW-3.0.iX1.CQVCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > where I could by the echoplex IN the UK or France?? any ideas?? not until the CE tested version is ready (prototype done...) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 02:17:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24387; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:17:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:17:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfc931$aa6fd720$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: EDP pots- Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:49:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"n4Ln.0.sm2.KGWCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have experience replacing the pots on the EDP? The knobs on my unit feel loose and delicate and I would love to somehow reinforce them or replace them- any suggestions or comments appreciated- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 02:36:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03006; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: EDP pots- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <001801bfc931$aa6fd720$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"RtO8O1.0.Nq7.XvWCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know, mine aren't loose as in, not connected to the chassis or PC board, but they turn awfully easily- like no resistance at all. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:50 AM > To: Loopers List > Subject: EDP pots- > > > Does anyone have experience replacing the pots on the EDP? The knobs on my > unit feel loose and delicate and I would love to somehow reinforce them or > replace them- any suggestions or comments appreciated- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 03:41:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32745; Mon, 29 May 2000 03:41:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 03:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:34:32 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: OT: guitar bow (was Re: OT: sitar-style bridge) X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.73 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aglvu1.0.LD7.7tXCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Speaking of advertising in Guitar Player; in the back of an old Guitar and Bass Players Buyer's Guide, 1998-1999, I think, there was this ad for a "bow" that worked like a violin bow, but it was curved so that you could get to each individual string. It was only something like 25 or 30 bucks (and it even included rosin). It looked like it would work as good on an acoustic as an electric guitar. I was going to order a couple of them a few months ago, but I missed the 1999-2000 Buyer's Guide and I don't know if they are still available. Any ideas? I've never found a website for it and I don't want to just send my money with no idea of whether or not they are still being made. I have an Ebow, but I was wanting to get one of these guitar bows to try and get a better "violin" sound out of a guitar, something that is pretty difficult to pull off well with an Ebow. And speaking of that Buyer's Guide, I do recall reading about a company with something that you could put on a normal guitar bridge and get a sitar like buzz out of it. It was kind of like those old, cheap Coral sitar bridges. -- On Sun, 28 May 2000 23:17:11 THusken wrote: >-This is going to be a very weak lead but I do recall a company (individual?) >that made some sort of device you could install on electric or acoustic >guitars that produced sitar-like sounds. I can't for the life of me remember >the name of the company even though I do remember talking to them and >receiving their catalog in the mail!! (at 35 my brain is already fogging >up). I do recall they advertised in Guitar Player for a while - good luck in >your search! > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 07:16:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28320; Mon, 29 May 2000 07:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:16:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00dc01bfc95a$2986c140$c0d99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <200005281549.KAA29450@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:48:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"MjPWB2.0.U86.X0bCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Que tal andy, Es muy facil yo tuve que hacer lo mismo solamente compra un transformador de 110v a 220v asegurate de que tengas minimo 100 watts y con eso tienes mas que suficiente para tus efectos.Los que usan adaptadores wallwart se consiguen aquí facilmenteYo lo he comprado en international electronics en San Diego Ca.la compańía se llama Even Star pero seguramente puedes encontrarlos en Mexico. buena suerte en Francia! Luis > > I´m moving to France from Mexico (we use same VC down here in Mexico as > in the States)and I was going to ask fot the same question: what to do with > VC conversion??? I don´t have problems with my amp wich has a VC selector, > but what about effects and loopers??? most of my ground stuff is > Electro-Harmonix with power cords, no problem with the ones I can use > batteries with, but what with the others?? and with my Boomerang?? do I have > to buy a transformer for EACH pedal? one for all?? please we need some > advice (very much!) with this!!! > > Andy in Mexico City > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 08:38:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04481; Mon, 29 May 2000 08:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:38:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:27:42 EDT Subject: OT: plane in NY, 5/29 & 5/30 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"txEYK3.0.Ig7.69cCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ....wasn't sure if i'd posted this, or not..... mon & tues, 5/29-30 knitting factory, main stage, leonard st, nyc 212-219-3006 8pm & 10pm shows each night plane (will calhoun, meshell ndegeocello, torn) {some otre guests *may* appear, as well) say hello, ifya show best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 11:02:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26070; Mon, 29 May 2000 11:02:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:02:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003501bfc97f$392c5720$2317c8d5@m4998.balcab.ch> Reply-To: "Mark Kunzmann" From: "Mark Kunzmann" To: Subject: Echoplexes in Switzerland Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:03:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFC98F.C9E68FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"fp4xm1.0.Rw5.xMeCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFC98F.C9E68FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just FYI, for those of you in the region - I spotted one of the first Gibson Echoplexi in this country at a trade = meeting this morning. Gibson said they'd be selling their first units = around end August - beginning September. List price is around 2k (Swiss = Francs) and there will probably be a waiting list (which I'm on too :-) ciao, Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFC98F.C9E68FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFC98F.C9E68FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 12:40:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24019; Mon, 29 May 2000 12:40:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001601bfc98c$9edab140$8f368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP pots- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"xsmx-1.0.fF5.TofCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No- mine are loose as in much side to side play- rotation with no resistance as well but that is not my concern as much as the looseness of the pot itself- - - Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: RE: EDP pots- > You know, mine aren't loose as in, not connected to the chassis or PC board, > but they turn awfully easily- like no resistance at all. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:50 AM > > To: Loopers List > > Subject: EDP pots- > > > > > > Does anyone have experience replacing the pots on the EDP? The knobs on my > > unit feel loose and delicate and I would love to somehow reinforce them or > > replace them- any suggestions or comments appreciated- > > > > Cliff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 13:26:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14240; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:42:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: A dual loop machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"CLZhI2.0.Y52.fGgCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its nice to dream about those things. Shure we would have done something likely on the current HW if it had allowed it. As you propose, expand the idea to more than two tracks right from the start. I dont think we will need to copy between loops so much. Once we have them recorded separately, we rather want to switch them or fade them in groups... >The discussion a while ago regarding undo on the EDP got me thinking in >general about snapshoting as a mechanism for undo in a looper. Basically, >the idea is that you want to be able to take your current loop at any given >time and make a snapshot of it. If you later make changes that you don't >like, you can go back to the snapshot. (Or Photoshop-style, you can bounce >back and forth between various snapshots.) > >This, however, got me thinking about what would happen if you had a looper >capable of moving pointers through two loops simultaneously. Let's assume >we have an A loop and a B loop. Let's also assume that all recording >happens in loop A and is subject to the usual EDP operations (multiply, >overdub, etc.). A loop consists of a bunch of recorded information and a >pointer cycling through it. Here is a list of some possibly interesting >operations: > >1. Swap A & B. (Since I only allowed for recording in one of them.) > >2. Copy loop A to loop B. (i.e., save my loop) > >3. Copy B to A. (i.e., restore my loop -- not essentially given swapping >but probably useful) > >4. Crossfade between A and B. > >5. Fade the loop volumes independently. > >5. Overdub from B onto A. If the loops are of the same length, this is just >a gradual replacement. If they are of different lengths, then this is a way >to build up a complex wash. > >This obviously extends to having more than two loops but the user interface >would get more complicated. > >Would it be possible to support something like this on the EDP? Mapping the >options to the available user interface controls might take a bit of work, >but I think it's probably doable. (Could we use the feedback input as a >general A/B mix control instead?) The big question is whether the EDP has >enough processing power to run and mix two simultaneous loops. > >Mark ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 18:00:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18845; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:00:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:00:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:51:51 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: OT: sitar-style bridge Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200005291752_MC2-A6C1-1F59@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA13069 Resent-Message-ID: <"cdX4J1.0.aC3.1RkCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sounds interesting - if anybody finds something. let us know! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 18:01:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19276; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:01:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:01:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:51:42 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: R: admittedly off-topic Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200005291752_MC2-A6C1-1F57@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA13136 Resent-Message-ID: <"jmODo2.0.bD3.6RkCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, you can buy 110/220 V converters rather cheaply that allow patching a fair amount of equipment after them. And they work both ways, running US stuff someplace else (most everybody has 220) or vice versa. Don't forget adaptors for the plug(s)! Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 18:00:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18490; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:00:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:51:26 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: OT: sitar-style bridge Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200005291751_MC2-A6C1-1F4E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA12751 Resent-Message-ID: <"lNJK22.0.I83.OQkCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can copy the bridgedesignes as used by Coral and Jerry Jones quite easiliy, but usage on a standart electric is not easy at all: a) your bridge pickup will be in the way, b) intonation will be quite different in sitar and non-sitar mode. You'll probably end up using an extra instrument (I recently saw a converted old F-hole acoustic that sounded o.K.). Best, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 20:43:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18596; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:43:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:43:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39330C35.96AEB7B9@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:32:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: OT:new real video at Bhaisajya's Video Shack 5/29/2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Umrf-.0.bZ3.VqmCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Two new videos by Pat Pagano: Raga Paga & The Glasses Pt. II http://www.virtulink.com/immp/video/ -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 20:59:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28947; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:59:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:59:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ef01bfc9d2$063dece0$baeaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: guitar bow (was Re: OT: sitar-style bridge) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:57:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ctzJI1.0.IR6._6nCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have this device buried in one of my boxes from the California-Florida move (Dave, I'll try to remember to bring it to the next Hazard Factor/Future Perfect show that I attend :)). It is better to think of it as an alternative to the pick than as a replacement for an E-Bow. There is simply not enough length to it to get a good, long sustained note that a bowed string player can get from a good long bow across a string. What it _was_ designed for is getting a quick bowed attack from your guitar strings instead of the traditional plucking sounds. Since there is less resistance using this thing as opposed to a pick, you can conceivably play a lot faster using it than using a pick. All in all, if you're looking for yet another way to get a different sound out of a guitar, it might be something to add to the ol' toolbox (along with the E-bow, brushes, slides (holding it parallel to the string with the plucking hand and using the edge of the slide to "bow" the string, and other tools that folks here already know about). Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Porter" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:34 AM Subject: OT: guitar bow (was Re: OT: sitar-style bridge) > Speaking of advertising in Guitar Player; in the back of an old Guitar and Bass Players Buyer's Guide, 1998-1999, I think, there was this ad for a "bow" that worked like a violin bow, but it was curved so that you could get to each individual string. It was only something like 25 or 30 bucks (and it even included rosin). It looked like it would work as good on an acoustic as an electric guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon May 29 22:11:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01699; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:11:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ef01bfc9d2$063dece0$baeaa118@tampabay.rr.com> References: <00ef01bfc9d2$063dece0$baeaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:05:37 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: guitar bow (was Re: OT: sitar-style bridge) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"cIkme1.0.eS7.P8oCv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:57 PM -0400 5/29/00, pvallad1 wrote: >All in all, if you're looking for yet another way to get a different >sound out of a guitar, [...] >slides (holding it parallel to the string with the plucking >hand and using the edge of the slide to "bow" the string Mini-Maglites work great for this, at least on bass. The knurled finish works like a permanent industrial strength bow rosin. Turn the flashlight on or off as you prefer. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 10:59:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29534; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:59:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:53:34 EDT Subject: too quiet.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"POHfq2.0.PT6.EUIDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmmm no LD mail for 2 days, doesn't seem quite right.....test. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:01:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31122; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:01:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3935261C.61D4@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:47:56 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Disconnected ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8_3rT2.0.hX5.6PIDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Disconnected ? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:08:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00591; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:08:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:08:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <62.3e7c152.2666839d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:02:53 EDT Subject: Always quiet before the storm. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"ov0RH1.0.nq7.2dIDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been asked to build an ark to prepare for the flood of LD mail. On this ark will be effects of all kinds and a male and female of every type of interconnect. P.B. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:28:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03183; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Evans" To: Subject: New Looping Software Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:25:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"3HZsM1.0.4d.dwIDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, This is actually my first post to this mailing list! I had never heard of its existence until a friend pointed it out the other day. I guess the Internet is a big place :-) The reason I'm posting is to point out a software package that I've been developing for the last few months. The software allows you to take a video, audio, or mixed media file, and in pseudo-real-time, break it up, mix it up, create complex patterns, loop them, trigger segments and patterns via your computer keyboard, or from an external MIDI device. All of the above can be done during a live performance, with no cheesy interface getting in your way. You can even beat match your complex loops and they will stay in synch indefinitely. If you want to check it out in detail, please visit my web page, where you can download a demo version. http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer I hope to have the full version ready in a few weeks. Thanks! Stephen Evans From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:34:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03974; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:34:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: too quiet.... Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfcb1a$dd509fe0$09364f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"U8Tlj1.0.vN.xoIDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hopefully we're all busy looping.....................PedrOOrdeP PostScript: anyone else catch dt with Plane at Knitting Factory?, so very good!!! -----Original Message----- From: Loopbozo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: too quiet.... >Hmmmm no LD mail for 2 days, doesn't seem quite right.....test. > > b.helm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:38:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04442; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:38:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001101bfcb15$32a48de0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: New Looping Software Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:30:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ilmg71.0.3u.g1JDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve... looks cool. How's the Mac version coming along? :) cheers, os. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Evans To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:25 PM Subject: New Looping Software > Hello all, > > This is actually my first post to this mailing list! I had never heard of > its existence until a friend pointed it out the other day. I guess the > Internet is a big place :-) > > The reason I'm posting is to point out a software package that I've been > developing for the last few months. > > The software allows you to take a video, audio, or mixed media file, and in > pseudo-real-time, break it up, mix it up, create complex patterns, loop > them, trigger segments and patterns via your computer keyboard, or from an > external MIDI device. All of the above can be done during a live > performance, with no cheesy interface getting in your way. You can even > beat match your complex loops and they will stay in synch indefinitely. > > If you want to check it out in detail, please visit my web page, where you > can download a demo version. > > http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer > > > I hope to have the full version ready in a few weeks. > > Thanks! > > Stephen Evans > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 11:59:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07651; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:59:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393535BD.4EDB@hevanet.com.> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:54:38 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Quantize: "On" or "Off"? References: <01bfcb1a$dd509fe0$09364f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U2KF43.0.9W1.4IJDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings! On the Quantize parameter: Do experienced EDP'ers find they have a preference for "off" or "on" given their type of typical usage, and personal style, OR: do they go with both at different times for different uses. I would guess that generally leaving it "on" would be appropiate ("off" is the default), but I know it effects many functions. I can't picture a musician going to change parameters in the midst of an improvisation...(or are any out there doing this with the footpedal?) David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 12:29:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10952; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:29:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <98.5a7792e.2666925a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:46 EDT Subject: The new Echoplex and you... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"VWwCZ1.0.b52.1YJDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Well, got my Echoplex and footswitch from Alto Music a few weeks ago and everything worked great straight out of their boxes. I now understand the complaints about the manual and definitely see some room for improvement therein. Several taped multi-coloured plastic tabs helped out with this one. Will get into a few ideas for updates later on... Anywho, gave it a shot with a David King headless fretless 6 string bass, fretted Steinberger 5-string bass, a doubleneck Carvin, Polycarb Stick, and finally a Roland JV-90 just to see what I could get out of this beastie. First thing is that I have 50.3 seconds of memory when this beastie ships, and man I now understand just how little this can be, quick! Especially with the multiply feature, trying to get activated... Succeeded a few times with rather positive results for tiny loops. Had a blast with it just playing back what I had done, and then doing a little overdubbing, and finally sussed out how to get this thing to record separate loops and then play them sequentially, repeating loop a then b... Couldn't quite suss out the fade out feature, and could only "accidentally" get the reverse feature to happen for me. Another thing which popped up from time to time was that the beastie was overheating on me and shutting itself down, with all of the lights, but that over the Record and the two decimal places on the LCD screen going off. Cranked up the Air Conditioning and this problem disappeared rather quickly, gave it a dedicated fan and it didn't occur for the few hours I toyed with it... Now then, the good news, I know that some of the problems are user error and learning curve. Sound quality is really happening, and was very happy with how the Echoplex handles the basses and my Stick being run in mono. Really felt the love there! Also liked that you can record lots of different, un-overdubbed loops on this thing. Did I mention that the sound quality is really happening? Some things which I'd really like to see in a "new" echoplex is a 2nd rack space, this way many of the controls can be taken off of the hold and release buttons and switched over to pots, or dial switches and a set of fans can be put into this beastie for better respiration... Man, getting this beastie to go into reverse mode is a bit of a chore, and then I have a quick question, can you change the speed of the play back, as you could with a tape echoplex, if so, what menu do you begin with and then where do you go? Now, off-list, I've been asked a few times to do a comparison between both the Echoplex and the Boomerang. This is again, just a statement of opinion and only that! I'd find myself working with the Boomerang more in a live context than I would with the Echoplex. Mostly because, I find that single buttons are a bit easier to work around in a live setting than menus. I also like the idea of running the Boomerang with both inputs, and now that I've started in with a Chapman Stick, this is VERY necessary to do things with two channel input. Also, I really enjoy the fact that I've got 2 minutes of time and as many overdubs as I want. Flip side, there is just so much more which can be done with an Echoplex, and it is a matter of sussing out the menus and tap and holds of the control surfaces. The sound quality is much better in my Echoplex than my Boomerang, also find that the Echoplex sounds better with the lower end instruments than the Boomerang, also found that a bouzouki in and Echoplex is VERY crisp sounding, whereas it was a little muddy in the Boomerang. The echoplex is not as noisy, and due to the heat problems mine tends to suffer, a studio environment seems more conducive. Sorry no snails man pitch on this one, I like them both and will probably continue to like them both, even as I become more familiar with the Echoplex. Oh, by the by, for the attackless drones, a sneaky way I've found of doing it, is to activate the note you want to drone, run it through a volume pedal and then some form of digital delay on a slow setting and then just after you get the sound you're looking for, timbre or rumbles then start recording with either unit, and found that they both (Boomerang and Echoplex) handle this quite nicely. Typically, I like to swell it a little more about halfway through the loop to be. Now, I have to snag a copy of the updated BIOS for the Boomerang. Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 13:48:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15450; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:48:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:48:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000531172825.26834.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: alias crossings Subject: re: Jamman Ver 2. Re: A dual loop machine To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"_DmqO3.0.gy.6lKDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone been able to get the upgraded Chip from Bob Sellon? I've sent two self addressed padded envelops in hopes that the chips could be sent back. --- Kevin wrote: > Bob Sellon (the inventor of the Lexicon Jamman) put > together a prototype > Jamman that was never marketed a couple of years > ago. It's all very well > documented on the web at his sight: > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_2Introduction.htm. > > Needless to say, his modifications of the Jamman > made for one interesting > machine! Sadly, his brilliant work never became a > commercial product. This > Jamman 2 combines both looping and STEREO mixing in > the manner you described > in your post. It's pretty much limited to > midi-control, although Bob made > provisions for some basic looping functions by way > of three way analogue > pedals. As a looper, the modified Jamman paints and > then allows > manipulation of the most outrageous looping > landscapes we've ever played in. > Combined with a vintage Lexicon Vortex, the > experience is like "taking the > red pill." > > Best, > The Roctologists > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 14:33:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01630; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:33:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:01:27 -0700 Subject: Re: The new Echoplex and you... From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000531175714.HTRC2513.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: <"nLBX93.0.bw4.1ALDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Pahedebk: Thanks for the informative post, but we would caution you to have your Echoplex checked out. "Overheating," does not suggest a good clean bill of health on your unit. You shouldn't have to air condition. We have one of the early echoplexes which actually run hotter from what we understand (Kim correct us if we are wrong) and even rack mounted and running alongside other boxes the thing is good for interminable looping. Also, on our humble opinion, the real genius of the 'Plex software comes out in live situations...and we know the floor switcher is not ideal for live (but man is it an improvement over the original jammen pedals!), nevertheless the floorboard with a little practice is very workable. Try it without shoes. Best, Roctologists ---------- >From: Phaedebk@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: The new Echoplex and you... >Date: Wed, May 31, 2000, 9:05 AM > > Dear all, > > Well, got my Echoplex and footswitch from Alto Music a few weeks ago and > everything worked great straight out of their boxes. I now understand the > complaints about the manual and definitely see some room for improvement > therein. Several taped multi-coloured plastic tabs helped out with this one. > Will get into a few ideas for updates later on... Anywho, gave it a shot > with a David King headless fretless 6 string bass, fretted Steinberger > 5-string bass, a doubleneck Carvin, Polycarb Stick, and finally a Roland > JV-90 just to see what I could get out of this beastie. First thing is that > I have 50.3 seconds of memory when this beastie ships, and man I now > understand just how little this can be, quick! Especially with the multiply > feature, trying to get activated... Succeeded a few times with rather > positive results for tiny loops. > > Had a blast with it just playing back what I had done, and then doing a > little overdubbing, and finally sussed out how to get this thing to record > separate loops and then play them sequentially, repeating loop a then b... > Couldn't quite suss out the fade out feature, and could only "accidentally" > get the reverse feature to happen for me. > Another thing which popped up from time to time was that the beastie was > overheating on me and shutting itself down, with all of the lights, but that > over the Record and the two decimal places on the LCD screen going off. > Cranked up the Air Conditioning and this problem disappeared rather quickly, > gave it a dedicated fan and it didn't occur for the few hours I toyed with > it... > > Now then, the good news, I know that some of the problems are user error > and learning curve. Sound quality is really happening, and was very happy > with how the Echoplex handles the basses and my Stick being run in mono. > Really felt the love there! Also liked that you can record lots of > different, un-overdubbed loops on this thing. Did I mention that the sound > quality is really happening? > > Some things which I'd really like to see in a "new" echoplex is a 2nd > rack space, this way many of the controls can be taken off of the hold and > release buttons and switched over to pots, or dial switches and a set of fans > can be put into this beastie for better respiration... > Man, getting this beastie to go into reverse mode is a bit of a chore, > and then I have a quick question, can you change the speed of the play back, > as you could with a tape echoplex, if so, what menu do you begin with and > then where do you go? > > Now, off-list, I've been asked a few times to do a comparison between > both the Echoplex and the Boomerang. This is again, just a statement of > opinion and only that! > I'd find myself working with the Boomerang more in a live context than I > would with the Echoplex. Mostly because, I find that single buttons are a > bit easier to work around in a live setting than menus. I also like the idea > of running the Boomerang with both inputs, and now that I've started in with > a Chapman Stick, this is VERY necessary to do things with two channel input. > Also, I really enjoy the fact that I've got 2 minutes of time and as many > overdubs as I want. > > Flip side, there is just so much more which can be done with an Echoplex, > and it is a matter of sussing out the menus and tap and holds of the control > surfaces. The sound quality is much better in my Echoplex than my Boomerang, > also find that the Echoplex sounds better with the lower end instruments than > the Boomerang, also found that a bouzouki in and Echoplex is VERY crisp > sounding, whereas it was a little muddy in the Boomerang. > > The echoplex is not as noisy, and due to the heat problems mine tends to > suffer, a studio environment seems more conducive. Sorry no snails man pitch > on this one, I like them both and will probably continue to like them both, > even as I become more familiar with the Echoplex. > > Oh, by the by, for the attackless drones, a sneaky way I've found of > doing it, is to activate the note you want to drone, run it through a volume > pedal and then some form of digital delay on a slow setting and then just > after you get the sound you're looking for, timbre or rumbles then start > recording with either unit, and found that they both (Boomerang and Echoplex) > handle this quite nicely. Typically, I like to swell it a little more about > halfway through the loop to be. > > Now, I have to snag a copy of the updated BIOS for the Boomerang. > > Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, > > > LeeohkinoWired. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 15:08:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21411; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000201bfcb24$7bcda880$69d99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:35:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"GyAwS1.0.AD4.M4LDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Matthias, I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 kOhm if i change it to a higher resistor does it mean i can have higher input signals so that it doesn´t distort so easiliy? Which ones do you recomend so that i can play loud signals without worring about it. Sorry but i have no idea of electronics Vielen dank! Luis > >What i would like to know is if i could still increase the gain structure of > >the EDP. > > you can increase the resistor R10 to 22kOhm or more. > . > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 15:22:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28923; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:22:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04f901bfcb30$d0197020$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: The new Echoplex and you... Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:48:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I-kvc3.0.kF2.cvLDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Try it without shoes. This should be our new motto! For our LD T-shirts, this should appear in LARGE letters across the chest. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 17:14:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31833; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:14:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101bfcb42$e13b4060$bc83abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:56:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFCB53.86D085C0" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"bnY4c1.0.rG7.phNDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFCB53.86D085C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was about to write to LD about my great satisfaction with my edp that = has never had problems with anything like overheating. I wanted to do this later, after having made my night solo session. I have switched on my rack and, when I switched on my Edp, my arms = falled down: every light, led, and display segment is blinking without = any sense, like a christmas tree. I go back to my first Edp experience, when the same happened before = sending it to Oberheim/Gibson for fixing. I have received it back two months ago, since then everything was = working correctly and I was starting to feel free from that sense of = unsafeness in using it. Now... I switched on and off for 5 times, waiting some minutes between = each time. Always the same show. I did reset it: nothing changes. Do I have to stop thinking to use any looper in my music buildings ?! What hell do these machines have inside of them ? Luca ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFCB53.86D085C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was about to write to LD about my = great=20 satisfaction with my edp that has never had problems with anything like=20 overheating.
I wanted to do this later, after having = made =20 my night solo session.
I have switched on my rack and, when I = switched on=20 my Edp, my arms falled down: every light, led, and display segment is = blinking=20 without any sense, like a christmas tree.
I go back to my first Edp experience, = when the same=20 happened before sending it to Oberheim/Gibson for fixing.
I have received it back two months ago, = since then=20 everything was working correctly and I was starting to feel free from = that sense=20 of unsafeness in using it.
Now... I switched on and off for 5 = times, waiting=20 some minutes between each time. Always the same show.
I did reset it: nothing = changes.
Do I have to stop thinking to use any = looper in my=20 music buildings ?!
What hell do these machines have inside = of them=20 ?
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01BFCB53.86D085C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 17:53:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13071; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:53:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:53:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003c01bfcb49$91c4ace0$32954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: barefoot looping Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:45:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0H2Qc3.0.1L1.1PODv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis wrote: >>Try it without shoes. > >This should be our new motto! For our LD T-shirts, this should appear in LARGE >letters across the chest. I know it sounds funny (and makes a great slogan) but I have to agree. As a sitarist [emphasis on the "sit" :-) ] I have no other choice than to sit crosslegged on the floor and manipulate the EDP foot controller with my bare feet. Sounds awkward, but it's never been a problem. I can't tell you how glad I am that there *is* a foot controller, because I'd never be able to use the EDP in real time otherwise! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 18:07:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18077; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:07:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39358582.CDBB04F4@ppi2pass.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:34:58 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Organization: PPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looping Software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K38-7.0.AN1.GPODv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes! Mac OS version! Sounds good! We're here and there are a lot of us! I hear that OS X is easy to program for. Please Please Please! Steve Evans wrote: > Hello all, > > This is actually my first post to this mailing list! I had never heard of > its existence until a friend pointed it out the other day. I guess the > Internet is a big place :-) > > The reason I'm posting is to point out a software package that I've been > developing for the last few months. > > The software allows you to take a video, audio, or mixed media file, and in > pseudo-real-time, break it up, mix it up, create complex patterns, loop > them, trigger segments and patterns via your computer keyboard, or from an > external MIDI device. All of the above can be done during a live > performance, with no cheesy interface getting in your way. You can even > beat match your complex loops and they will stay in synch indefinitely. > > If you want to check it out in detail, please visit my web page, where you > can download a demo version. > > http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer > > I hope to have the full version ready in a few weeks. > > Thanks! > > Stephen Evans -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com Phone: (650) 593-9119 ext. 29 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 18:14:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20355; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:14:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:14:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <053b01bfcb4c$7ebb4b60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:06:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IwHBh3.0.GL4.PpODv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 My lovely lady bought me a pair for Christmas. I always wear them when looping in public. They get my vote for our OFFICIAL LD shoeware. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: barefoot looping >Dennis wrote: >>>Try it without shoes. >> >>This should be our new motto! For our LD T-shirts, this should appear in >LARGE >>letters across the chest. > > >I know it sounds funny (and makes a great slogan) but I have to agree. As a >sitarist [emphasis on the "sit" :-) ] I have no other choice than to sit >crosslegged on the floor and manipulate the EDP foot controller with my bare >feet. Sounds awkward, but it's never been a problem. I can't tell you how >glad I am that there *is* a foot controller, because I'd never be able to >use the EDP in real time otherwise! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 18:42:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01007; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:42:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:11:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IM_Pz.0.lk4.ttODv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oops! When you go to http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 , you'll have to click on "Socks", then on "Shoesocks". When somebody in the audience notices them, they always smile. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 5:06 PM Subject: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) > >http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 > >My lovely lady bought me a pair for Christmas. I always wear them when looping >in public. They get my vote for our OFFICIAL LD shoeware. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 19:51:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07264; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:51:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000531193216.007bce30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:32:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Always quiet before the storm. In-Reply-To: <62.3e7c152.2666839d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oQS1m1.0.rI7.j0QDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And LOTS of powerstrips... At 11:02 AM 5/31/00 EDT, you wrote: >I have been asked to build an ark to prepare for the flood of LD mail. On >this ark will be effects of all kinds and a male and female of every type of >interconnect. >P.B. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 19:42:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06182; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:42:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:42:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <393535BD.4EDB@hevanet.com.> References: <01bfcb1a$dd509fe0$09364f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <393535BD.4EDB@hevanet.com.> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:36:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Quantize: "On" or "Off"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dbhPp3.0.y6.u6QDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Greetings! > >On the Quantize parameter: Do experienced EDP'ers find they have a >preference for "off" or "on" given their type of typical usage, and >personal style, OR: do they go with both at different times for >different uses. > >I would guess that generally leaving it "on" would be appropiate ("off" >is the default), but I know it effects many functions. I can't picture >a musician going to change parameters in the midst of an >improvisation...(or are any out there doing this with the footpedal?) > >David no, I think its either a general atitude (For me, all has to happen when I step on the switch, for others all depends on the sequencer frame...) or it might change according to the song, not in the middle of a improv. If you really need quick change of parameters, send the sequence of commands by MIDI, from some pedal board or at starting of a sequencer. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 19:55:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07606; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:55:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98.5a7792e.2666925a@aol.com> References: <98.5a7792e.2666925a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:36:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The new Echoplex and you... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"LMMMV3.0.35.m6QDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Dear all, > > Well, got my Echoplex and footswitch from Alto Music a few weeks ago and >everything worked great straight out of their boxes. I now understand the >complaints about the manual and definitely see some room for improvement >therein. Several taped multi-coloured plastic tabs helped out with this one. > Will get into a few ideas for updates later on... I am like that, too: as soon as I get a unit, I start the update suggestions... what sign are you born under? ;-) >Anywho, gave it a shot >with a David King headless fretless 6 string bass, fretted Steinberger >5-string bass, a doubleneck Carvin, Polycarb Stick, and finally a Roland >JV-90 just to see what I could get out of this beastie. First thing is that >I have 50.3 seconds of memory when this beastie ships, and man I now >understand just how little this can be, quick! Especially with the multiply >feature, trying to get activated... Succeeded a few times with rather >positive results for tiny loops. > > Had a blast with it just playing back what I had done, and then doing a >little overdubbing, and finally sussed out how to get this thing to record >separate loops and then play them sequentially, repeating loop a then b... >Couldn't quite suss out the fade out feature, and could only "accidentally" >get the reverse feature to happen for me. select REV at InsertMode or do Timing-Reverse (PARAM-UNDO) > Another thing which popped up from time to time was that the beastie was >overheating on me and shutting itself down, with all of the lights, but that >over the Record and the two decimal places on the LCD screen going off. and then stopped doing anything? I dont believe... >Cranked up the Air Conditioning and this problem disappeared rather quickly, >gave it a dedicated fan and it didn't occur for the few hours I toyed with >it... That is the state in Reset. Are you shure "overheating" was not just a long press on Record? > Man, getting this beastie to go into reverse mode is a bit of a chore, >and then I have a quick question, can you change the speed of the play back, >as you could with a tape echoplex? no, the nex soft version can go to half speed and back. > Now, off-list, I've been asked a few times to do a comparison between >both the Echoplex and the Boomerang. This is again, just a statement of >opinion and only that! > I'd find myself working with the Boomerang more in a live context than I >would with the Echoplex. Mostly because, I find that single buttons are a >bit easier to work around in a live setting than menus. forget it, you dont need to acess any menus while playing! > Oh, by the by, for the attackless drones, a sneaky way I've found of >doing it, is to activate the note you want to drone, run it through a volume >pedal and then some form of digital delay on a slow setting yes, thats how it started... > and then just >after you get the sound you're looking for, timbre or rumbles then start >recording with either unit, and found that they both (Boomerang and Echoplex) >handle this quite nicely. Typically, I like to swell it a little more about >halfway through the loop to be. I only have an Echoplex and no delay, but I think with RECORD-OVERDUB and around 3 seconds of loop, you fill a good drone without perceptible repetition. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 20:00:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10833; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007101bfcb42$e13b4060$bc83abd4@h2v6p1> References: <007101bfcb42$e13b4060$bc83abd4@h2v6p1> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:36:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: dependence on equipment Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vAkwB2.0.Q5.o6QDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: dependence on equipment
I was about to write to LD about my great satisfaction with my edp that has never had problems with anything like overheating.
I wanted to do this later, after having made  my night solo session.
I have switched on my rack and, when I switched on my Edp, my arms falled down: every light, led, and display segment is blinking without any sense, like a christmas tree.
I go back to my first Edp experience, when the same happened before sending it to Oberheim/Gibson for fixing.
I have received it back two months ago, since then everything was working correctly and I was starting to feel free from that sense of unsafeness in using it.
Now... I switched on and off for 5 times, waiting some minutes between each time. Always the same show.
I did reset it: nothing changes.
Do I have to stop thinking to use any looper in my music buildings ?!
What hell do these machines have inside of them ?
 
Luca

thats sad. I understand you are angry...
Any machine can fail. The problem is that we sometimes depend totally on one without having a replacement close.
If you amp fails at the show, you quickly find another solution.
So far there are not enough Echoplexes arround to be able to borrow one from the neighbour.
Some musicians travel with a replacement unit of some essencial equipment.

I know it would be great just to rely. The rest of us is lucky that it never failed on us... sorry.

I hope Shane Radtke <shane.radtke@gibson.com> manages to fix it this time. Maybe it was some kind of bad contact that stopped to fail when it was with him last time...


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 20:04:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13122; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:04:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201bfcb24$7bcda880$69d99b3e@oemcomputer> References: <000201bfcb24$7bcda880$69d99b3e@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:36:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP input gain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rO4Jg3.0.H6.r6QDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Matthias, >I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 kOhm if i change it to a >higher resistor does it mean i can have higher input signals so that it >doesn´t distort so easiliy? Which ones do you recomend so that i can play >loud signals without worring about it. Sorry but i have no idea of >electronics >Vielen dank! >Luis > sorry, but "loud signals" is not acurate enough. Just try increasing until you are satisfied... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 20:16:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19096; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:16:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.598ff49.2666fc80@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:38:40 EDT Subject: Re: New Looping Software To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"XAfQa1.0.rx.YAQDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 5/31/00 2:28:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, sjevans@home.com writes: << http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer >> stephen..........welcome to the list.........your address did not work for me, it kept coming up "you cant get here from there".........:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed May 31 21:30:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32540; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:30:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:30:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Steve Evans" To: Subject: RE: New Looping Software Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:31:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <7e.598ff49.2666fc80@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"QxlW91.0.T07.6wQDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To Michael: Yes, I'm a bit disappointed with my local cable modem provider at the moment. They are apparently working on system upgrades, which have caused "intermittent disruptions in service". You might try accessing it via this link: http://members.home.com/smartmonkeyplayer For some reason, the .com was working when the .net was not... go figure! To Os regarding Mac support: Well, if anyone has a spare Mac kicking around, I'd give it a shot :-) Otherwise, I'll just have to hope Smart Monkey Player sells very well so that I can afford more than one CPU. hehe. Thanks for checking out my project folks! SE -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: May 31, 2000 5:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looping Software In a message dated 5/31/00 2:28:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, sjevans@home.com writes: << http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer >> stephen..........welcome to the list.........your address did not work for me, it kept coming up "you cant get here from there".........:)............michael