From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 02:30:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20727; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:30:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38968718.A3A55ECF@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:11:20 -0500 From: :"-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Sequencers, computers and live acts References: <006b01bf6bd0$39db34a0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1c2bw.0.zD4.lTebu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com samuel wrote: > Do you know some hardware sequencer which has the ability of being > programmed from the computer??? Well, strictly speaking, _any_ hardware sequencer has the ability of being programmed from the computer if you have a card capable of supplying a MIDI out (game port and appropriate cable). You just sequence on the computer (Master Tracks Pro, an excellent program, can be had for US$30), then play it from the computer, and record it from the hardware sequencer. I realize that was not what you were really asking, you wanted the MIDI "loop points" captured for manipulation by the hardware sequencer, but I suppose what I was getting at was that if you want an interim solution, you can download most of it from the computer, then edit the loop points manually. Personally, I use the sequencing capabilities built into my Kurzweil K2500RS, which has some really nice "loopy" features, so I can't be of any help there. Sorry. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 06:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14188; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:54:45 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sushi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d8Ojo3.0.-k2.Jkhbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching Sushi, Sushi, Sushi ... French food could be also good sometime, why don't you try it for once Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 15:26:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01560; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000201191806.28307.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner To: a a , chris becker , michael bober , Nick Boeglin , Kamal BouMikael , George Davis , Scott Edware , bart ferguson , Ann Marie Guidry , Lorenz Haeusle , Francis James , Amy Johnson , Stephan langdon , THOMAS NEWMAN , michelle Nunez , David POPE <75613.1761@compuserve.com>, Dereck Rollins , stan smith , anita sumner , jason sumner , jason sumner , nick white , Tiktok WorldHQQ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vwFb.0.uZ6.Eqpbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon women. Since the Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to DEATH by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative. Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators,doctors,lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and stuffed into their homes, so that depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. There no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the suicide rate among women, who cannot find proper medication and treatment for severe depression and would rather take their lives than live in such conditions, has increased significantly. Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging on the street, even if they hold Ph.D.'s. There are almost no medical facilities available for women, and relief workers, in protest, have mostly left the country, taking medicine and psychologists and other things necessary to treat the skyrocketing level of depression among women. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear. One doctor is considering, when what little medication that is left finally runs out, leaving these women in front of the president's residence as a form of peaceful protest. It is at the point where the term 'human rights violations' has become an understatement. the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way. Women enjoyed relative freedom, to work, dress generally as they wanted, and drive and appear in public alone until only 1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the depression and suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply used to basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as subhuman in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or 'culture,' but is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures where fundamentalism is the rule. Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are women in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of the world can certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murder and injustice committed against women by the Taliban. STATEMENT: In signing this, we agree that the current treatment of women in Afghanistan is completely UNACCEPTABLE and deserves support and action by the United Nations and that the current situation overseas will not be tolerated. Women's Rights is not a small issue anywhere and it is UNACCEPTABLE for women in 2000 to be treated as sub-human and so much as property. Equality and human decency is a RIGHT not a freedom, whether one lives in Afghanistan or elsewhere. 1) Suzanne Dathe, Grenoble, France 2) Laurence COMPARAT, Grenoble,France 3) Philippe MOTTE, Grenoble, France 4) Jok FERRAND, Mont St Martin, France 5) Emmanuelle PIGNOL, St Martin d'Heres, FRANCE 6) Marie GAUTHIER, Grenoble, FRANCE 7) Laurent VESCALO, Grenoble,FRANCE 8) Mathieu MOY, St Egreve, FRANCE 9) Bernard BLANCHET, Mont St Martin, FRANCE 10) Tassadite FAVRIE, Grenoble, FRANCE 11) Loic GODARD, St Ismier, FRANCE 12) Benedicte PASCAL, Grenoble, FRANCE 13) Khedaidja BENATIA, Grenoble, FRANCE 14) Marie-Therese LLORET, Grenoble,FRANCE 15) Benoit THEAU, Poitiers, FRANCE 16) Bruno CONSTANTIN, Poitiers, FRANCE 17) Christian COGNARD, Poitiers, FRANCE 18) Robert GARDETTE, Paris, FRANCE 19) Claude CHEVILLARD, Montpellier, FRANCE 20) Gilles FREISS, Montpellier, FRANCE 21) Patrick AUGEREAU, Montpellier, FRANCE. 22) Jean IMBERT, Marseille, FRANCE 23) Jean-Claude MURAT, Toulouse, France 24) Anna BASSOLS, Barcelona, Spain 25) Mireia DUNACH, Barcelona, Spain 26) Michel VILLAZ, Grenoble, France 27) Pages Frederique, Dijon, France 28) Rodolphe FISCHMEISTER, Chatenay-Malabry, France 29) Francois BOUTEAU, Paris, France 30) Patrick PETER, Paris, France 31) Lorenza RADICI, Paris, France 32) Monika Siegenthaler, Bern, Switzerland 33) Mark Philp, Glasgow, Scotland 34) Tomas Andersson, Stockholm, Sweden 35) Jonas Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 36) Karin Eriksson, Stockholm, Sweden 37) Ake Ljung, Stockholm, Sweden 38) Carina Sedlmayer, Stockholm, Sweden 39) Rebecca Uddman, Stockholm, Sweden 40) Lena Skog, Stockholm, Sweden 41) Micael Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 42) Britt-Marie Folke, Stockholm, Sweden 43) Birgitta Schuberth, Stockholm, Sweden 44) Lena Dahl, Stockholm, Sweden 45) Ebba Karlsson, Stockholm, Sweden 46) Jessica Carlsson, Vaxjo, Sweden 47) Sara Blomquist, Vaxjo, Sweden 48) Magdalena Fosseus, Vaxjo, Sweden 49) Charlotta Langner, Goteborg, Sweden 50) Andrea Egedal, Goteborg, Sweden 51) Lena Persson, Stockholm, Sweden 52) Magnus Linder, Umea ,Sweden 53) Petra Olofsson, Umea, Sweden 54) Caroline Evenbom, Vaxjo, Sweden 55) Asa Pettersson, Grimsas, Sweden 56) Jessica Bjork, Grimsas, Sweden 57) Linda Ahlbom Goteborg, Sweden 58) Jenny Forsman, Boras, Sweden 59) Nina Gunnarson, Kinna, Sweden 60) Andrew Harrison, New Zealand 61) Bryre Murphy, New Zealand 62) Claire Lugton, New Zealand 63) Sarah Thornton, New Zealand 64) Rachel Eade, New Zealand 65) Magnus Hjert, London, UK 67) Madeleine Stamvik, Hurley, UK 68) Susanne Nowlan, Vermont, USA 69) Lotta Svenby, Malmoe, Sweden 70) Adina Giselsson, Malmoe, Sweden 71) Anders Kullman, Stockholm, Sweden 72) Rebecka Swane, Stockholm,Sweden 73) Jens Venge, Stockholm, Sweden 74) Catharina Ekdahl, Stockholm, Sweden 75) Nina Fylkegard, Stockholm, Sweden 76) Therese Stedman, Malmoe, Sweden 77) Jannica Lund, Stockholm, Sweden 78) Douglas Bratt 79) Mats Lofstrom, Stockholm, Sweden 80) Li Lindstrom, Sweden 81) Ursula Mueller, Sweden 82) Marianne Komstadius, Stockholm, Sweden 83) Peter Thyselius, Stockholm, Sweden 84) Gonzalo Oviedo, Quito, Ecuador 85) Amalia Romeo, Gland, Switzerland 86) Margarita Restrepo, Gland, Switzerland 87) Eliane Ruster, Crans p.C., Switzerland 88) Jennifer Bischoff-Elder, Hong Kong 89) Azita Lashgari, Beirut, Lebanon 90) Khashayar Ostovany, New York, USA 91) Lisa L Miller, Reno NV 92) Danielle Avazian, Los Angeles, CA 93) Sara Risher, Los Angeles, Ca. 94) Melanie London, New York, NY 95) Susan Brownstein , Los Angeles, CA 96) Steven Raspa, San Francisco, CA 97) Margot Duane, Ross, CA 98) Natasha Darnall, Los Angeles, CA 99) Candace Brower, Evanston, IL 100) James Kjelland, Evanston, IL 101) Michael Jampole, Beach Park, IL, USA 102) Diane Willis, Wilmette, IL, USA 103) Sharri Russell, Roanoke, VA, USA 104) Faye Cooley, Roanoke, VA, USA 105) Celeste Thompson, Round Rock, TX, USA 106) Sherry Stang, Pflugerville, TX, USA 107) Amy J. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 16:59:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06317; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:59:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38975202.65F2@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:37:06 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hawkeye255@aol.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sushi samplers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7nfXG2.0.FE7.H8rbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching > > Which French food specifically would you recommend? pate du fois gras? > outre? fusillier mitraileuse (sp?) char moyen (?) > Instead of always eating some well known sushi samplers, I would also recommend to check out my specialite du chef, le looper a la DJRND2 Very delicious indeed ! And you can cook everything in loops, it is immediate and very testy to play with ! This french recipie can be found at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17129; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38975A31.53E1A3CB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:12:01 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman on Auctionsoup References: <20000125214738.31748.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kLzKS1.0.m_2.Bjrbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Auction ends tonight at 8:33 PM EST, current high bid $330. http://auctionsoup.com/index.cfm?Page=item.cfm&ItemID=35501 Please visit Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:29:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18557; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:29:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:39:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! In-reply-to: <20000201191806.28307.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vSpKu1.0.6x7.9Frbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:18 AM -0800 2/1/00, dan sumner wrote: > The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon >women. Since the yeah, like sticking your name on the bottom of a chain email is going to have a big affect on the Taliban. this is a well-known urban legend: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.htm Please don't ever, ever, ever spam the list with this type of thing! You can be 100% certain that anything telling you to "forward it to everyone you know" is BS. They are either hoaxes or attempts to harrass some poor person who's email address has been placed in it as the recipient of all the replies. (as this one was.) No matter what, they don't belong on mailing lists! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 18:03:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31814; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:03:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:03:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jo@numerica.it Message-ID: <005201bf6d03$4e8f3200$652726d4@h2v6p1> To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Subject: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"sb4Hx1.0.Ua3.Uorbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. Anyway, especially in structured composition, I miss having loops perfect in the time and in the expression. It is very interesting make a sequencer change the different sampled loops to play on. I use an Edp, a Digitech 2101, a boss gx700, a gtr4000. I never considered a sampler because I'd prefer not to add complexity to my system, but I really would like to know something more from someone who experience it. Thanks, and try italian food (with italian wine). Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: PERILLE To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: Sushi > > The MC50 controls my Sp-808, 2 Korg X5DR's, a Korg NS5R, a Korg D8 > > digital multitrack, a Digitech Studio Vocalist, an Akai S01 Sampler, a Roland > > JS30 sampler, a Zoom ST-224 Sampler and my Yamaha ProMix 01 (I love watching > > Sushi, Sushi, Sushi ... > > French food could be also good sometime, why don't you try it for once > > Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 17:48:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25608; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:48:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1d.1d2c91f8.25adef7e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:27:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: JAM MAN Auction closing Resent-Message-ID: <"ZP8u12.0.op4.Ozrbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Jam AMn for auction over at Rogue Music closes this evening. Check it out if interested at: http://www.auctionsoup.com Look under signal processors... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 18:48:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17435; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:48:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:28:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? In-Reply-To: <005201bf6d03$4e8f3200$652726d4@h2v6p1> References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"x_3Ht2.0.A72.Dlsbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:10 PM 2/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >and try italian food (with italian wine). >Luca To remain consistent with the "electronic musical equipment represented by foods of the country of origin" metaphor, how does it bode for the EDP that while Oberheim went Italian (sort of), the EDP has become TE's fish'n'chips? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 19:25:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28974; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:25:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:25:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.f91ad5.25c8ce5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:03:41 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"wV2ML.0.EY5.4Itbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/1/00 9:03:14 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jo@numerica.it writes: << I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. Anyway, especially in structured composition, I miss having loops perfect in the time and in the expression. >> luca.......i think the sample feeds the loop.......and the loop allows the sample to grow.......huh?.......:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 19:50:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04702; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38977C3A.9162510C@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:37:14 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [slimey lame spam] References: <389537F7.8058551@latrobe.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7ktGa3.0.6F.2ntbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i wrote: > > polyp messiah --- > tuesday 8th of feb @ Planet cafe, Brunswick st. > that would be melbourne, australia btw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:07:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09673; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:07:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bf6d18$d577bca0$736fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: References: Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"dWCDR.0.Ms1.w4ubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you tell them Kim!!!!!!!!!!!! no heartbleading crap in this email group. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 4:39 PM Subject: Re: the taliban is scared now! > At 11:18 AM -0800 2/1/00, dan sumner wrote: > > The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon > >women. Since the > > yeah, like sticking your name on the bottom of a chain email is going to > have a big affect on the Taliban. > > this is a well-known urban legend: > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blafghan.htm > > > Please don't ever, ever, ever spam the list with this type of thing! > > You can be 100% certain that anything telling you to "forward it to > everyone you know" is BS. They are either hoaxes or attempts to harrass > some poor person who's email address has been placed in it as the recipient > of all the replies. (as this one was.) No matter what, they don't belong > on mailing lists! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:21:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14420; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:21:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.f4b79c.25c8de75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:12:21 EST Subject: vortex sighting To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"bXr8B3.0.wn2.cIubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those interested. In my recent travels spotted a new Vortex at Moe's Music, Virginia Beach Blvd., Va. Beach, Va. $269.00 You'll have to call information 'cause I've lost the phone number, sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 20:28:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16393; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:28:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <13.d403cf.25c8e02b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:19:39 EST Subject: fretless/ microtonality To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, taptalk@progrock.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"xVyvg3.0.jU3.NPubu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Recently picked up an Ashbory bass. Looks like a toy but has a great sound - double bass to punchy fretless to unique "rubber bandiness" - and it's fun to play. Been exploring all sorts of wierd(?)/interesting microtonal slides/slurs loopage. Check it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 23:47:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12164; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:47:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:47:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <32.b004c0.25c90d49@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:32:09 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"NPtn11.0.Yn1.nDxbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << I love looping in real time, it seems more "honest" to me. >> btw: nothing is made beforehand except the template sequences. The sounds are looped live, then sampled. I love doing it this way, it seems so much more dishonest to me. ;-) If I don't like the way the sequence template is working with my new loops/samples (which happened once), I simply mute all the tracks but 16 (control track for the mixer's faders) and play (trigger) the samples using the pads. Again, it works much more simply than it sounds. And, like most things, timing is everything. Practice makes "mo' better da kind, brudda." hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 1 23:51:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12827; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:51:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:51:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.9ba3ea.25c90baf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:25:19 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"k0pX2.0.wM1.K7xbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. >> Live, house lights dim, stage lights up and...I create a loop in the Headrush (single layer, multi-layer, whatever). When I like it, I sample it. It's pretty crucial to hit it "right-on" time-wise. Otherwise, I sample it again, the next time around. All the while the loop is continuing to play to the audience. With my single headphone I check the sample to make certain it's acceptable. Then I kill the llayers in the Headrush returning back to the solo first loop, usually a rhythmic of some sort. Add different layers to it. And when I like that, I sample it too. At some point I improvise a sort of "bridge as I kill or silence the loop in the Akai completely. Then hit sample 1. I can now make new loops and continue this process on ad infinitum et nauseum. Bringing in the samples (of my live loops) as I need to. The sequences are merely templates for the time when several samples have been recorded. I then let it (the sequencer) take over. I lay down the guitar, walk out to a table and join the people sitting there and order a glass of beer (usually). The sequencer (set at somewhere between 10 and 20 bpm) also has track 16 recorded strictly for control of the mixer. This means that when sample 1 is beginning a slow fade, sample 2 (et al.) are slowly coming in. Since the sequence is a template there's a great randomness of patterns (loops). Hope that makes some sense. Easier to show than describe. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 01:05:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08201; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:05:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:45:35 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? In-reply-to: <6f.9ba3ea.25c90baf@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w-2jE2.0.2E1.QRybu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:25 PM -0800 2/1/00, Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: ><< tell me something more about using samplers as loopers. >> > >Live, house lights dim, stage lights up and...I create a loop in the Headrush >(single layer, multi-layer, whatever). When I like it, I sample it. It's >pretty crucial to hit it "right-on" time-wise. Otherwise, I sample it again, >the next time around. All the while the loop is continuing to play to the >audience. With my single headphone I check the sample to make certain it's >acceptable. Then I kill the llayers in the Headrush returning back to the >solo first loop, usually a rhythmic of some sort. Add different layers to >it. And when I like that, I sample it too. At some point I improvise a sort >of "bridge as I kill or silence the loop in the Akai completely. Then hit >sample 1. I can now make new loops and continue this process on ad infinitum >et nauseum. Bringing in the samples (of my live loops) as I need to. sounds like a complicated way to do what the echoplex does easily with multiple loops and loop copy functions. :-) But however you do it, the basic idea is something I like very much. Taking a basic loop, then creating many variations on it into different loops, all in real time, then switching between them. It gives you a lot of opportunity to improvise and loop in a more compositional way. > The sequences are merely templates for the time when several samples have >been recorded. I then let it (the sequencer) take over. I lay down the >guitar, walk out to a table and join the people sitting there and order a >glass of beer (usually). The sequencer (set at somewhere between 10 and 20 >bpm) also has track 16 recorded strictly for control of the mixer. This >means that when sample 1 is beginning a slow fade, sample 2 (et al.) are >slowly coming in. Since the sequence is a template there's a great >randomness of patterns (loops). Hope that makes some sense. Easier to show >than describe. great, I like that idea. Maybe the next step is to create the sequences on the fly as well! One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. On the echoplex I do this by filling all the loops up and triggering them with Midi notes from my max patch. Usually you trigger loops by always having them start at the beginning, but one of the echoplex's sampler modes has it trigger at the point where you left it before. Generally I don't use that mode for loop triggering, but in this case I do. I set it to this one (samplerstyle=run) and generally use longer samples in each loop than the tempo at which max is triggering them. This way, each trigger plays a little bit of the sample in the loop, then leaves it for a different loop. When it comes back to the first loop, it plays the next little bit of the sample instead of repeating what it played before. The result is a constant evolution, where the sequence continues to change. Each time you come back to a given loop, it is in a different place than it was before. And since they are triggering at random, maybe one loop gets chosen several times in a period while another only gets triggered once, so they move through the samples to relatively different places. Another degree of change.... You set your sequencer to trigger really slow, while I like to set it ultra fast! In fact it becomes a granular thing. I like to set the max patch for this setup to trigger loops every 1 or 2 millisecond, so the little random fragments of each loop that get played are all strung together into it's own waveform, creating some really interesting new textures. Depending on what is recorded in the loops, the result is completely different. lots o' fun! and speaking of sushi, pasta, escargot, etc., if you want your loops to be phat, it's gotta be an American sampler. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 02:08:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26072; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:08:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:01:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002020701.BAA01731@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: nightdreams Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA24293 Resent-Message-ID: <"3X_ET.0.px5.cPzbu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com at this hour of the night all I can thing of is a brand new EDP and a Sherman filterbank plugged into it... now I´ve reach it... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 07:30:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18547; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004e01bf6d79$36a33800$709bb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"0edR91.0.B74.H72cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi kim, It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! L.A. > > One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that > triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 08:34:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04047; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:34:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <44.16f1911.25c98a47@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:25:27 EST Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"ucMwY.0.yU.i13cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hawkeye, kim, et al: <> along these same (revivifying) lines: i've been loading loops/audiobits into software called 'Reaktor' (though i've yet to do this 'live'..... waiting for NativeInstruments to implement audio-*input* on the Mac version). of late, i've most often been using a seqencer+LFO-driven 'granulator', wherein grain triggering/length/samplestart/smoothing/pitch/release/etc. are locked to the clock of a kinda old-schooly-step-sequencer-thang (whose clock can, of course, be slaved to an external.....) the original 'ensemble'(NI's lingo for 'preset', or macros'n'objects-what-been-strung-together) -freeware- was writ by one uwe hoenig, though i've modified my one a tad. Native Instruments: http://www.native-instruments.com/0_start/index.html really good fun! best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 10:38:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10322; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:38:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.20000202102136.00a88bb8@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:27:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Looking to see Live Performers.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dqOqP.0.-o1.gt4cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers.... Sorry about the wide distribution, but I thought this would be the best way to find an answer..... Are there any performing loopers out there in the Boston area? I am looking to see some shows with looping content (preferably with acoustic instrumentation). Thanks, -Joe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** "GET DOWN WITH FUNKYTOWN" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 13:32:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22554; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JTstudio66@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.73bda1.25c9cdd1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:13:37 EST Subject: DFX94 4 second sampler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"CRjcM2.0.gL3.qF7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 13:48:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29151; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:48:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDAE@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:24:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"QA8SJ2.0.Lm4.aQ7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WEll, I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it though. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - I am looking to see some shows with looping content From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:02:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04779; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:02:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:02:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:34:18 -0800 Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01bf6d79$36a33800$709bb8d4@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA22885 Resent-Message-ID: <"dkqaO1.0.dc5.4X7cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A Max patch is a program written in the computer language Max, which is specifically designed for use with MIDI and digital audio. It works entirely in real time. If you're patient enough, stress the word patient again, maybe give the ol' word "patient" another nudge, you can learn MAX to the extent that you'll never need a sequencer or effects or samplers or anything else ever again. But you have to be kinda patient with it. And you need a Mac. Cheers Andrew > From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 > > Hi kim, > It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi > patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind > of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve > asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is > get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things > together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP > noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! > L.A. >> >> One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that >> triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:45:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22571; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <037401bf6db1$6e4b70a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:12:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IGAvf1.0.LL2.X98cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bloomington, IN? I'm up here in Lafayette, IN. We should trade looping gigs or at least recordings of live shows. Interested? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >WEll, > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >though. > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >- > > I am looking >to see some shows with looping content > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:50:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25617; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:50:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bf6db4$2fde4560$3d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <44.16f1911.25c98a47@aol.com> Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:32:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"bTVTi1.0.9K4.hN8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I LOVE Reaktor! The ability to dial out all the latency on a Windows based system is great! Plus the sounds are terrific too- Turned my cheapo midi controller and old ass audio card into the bomb underneath my fingertips! I am very fond of "Dual VCO" and another called Plasma- Thanks for the link- will be looking into that when I get home from werk~ Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:25 AM Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > hawkeye, kim, et al: > <> > along these same (revivifying) lines: > i've been loading loops/audiobits into software called 'Reaktor' (though i've yet to do this 'live'..... waiting for NativeInstruments to implement audio-*input* on the Mac version). > of late, i've most often been using a seqencer+LFO-driven 'granulator', wherein grain triggering/length/samplestart/smoothing/pitch/release/etc. are locked to the clock of a kinda old-schooly-step-sequencer-thang (whose clock can, of course, be slaved to an external.....) > the original 'ensemble'(NI's lingo for 'preset', or macros'n'objects-what-been-strung-together) -freeware- was writ by one uwe hoenig, though i've modified my one a tad. > Native Instruments: > http://www.native-instruments.com/0_start/index.html > really good fun! > best, > dt > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:02:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30625; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:02:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00da01bf6db6$1a814c60$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:45:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"jYEYP2.0.hG5.mY8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Denis, just curious... Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop performances. My question is, how do you approach a venue owner and convince them that they need a looper to entertain their paying customers? I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably performing for close to nothing. Again, just curious. Thanks, Larry T -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >WEll, > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want directions ? haha. >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >though. > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >- > > I am looking >to see some shows with looping content > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:29:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09376; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:29:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:29:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jo@numerica.it Message-ID: <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"M-jdu2.0.fa6.kk8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Was it me the only looper using no samplers? Very interesting the situation, there is something fresh in the air... Perille, what is DJRND2? (and thanks for the invitation !) Tim, it's my disaster! I am waiting my edp back from Gibson where i sent it on July the 14th for fixing under warranty. Any has seen it somewhere? maybe it is flying back and forth from Gibson to Trace Elliot! ...since 7 months. Michael, I agree with you. Plus I think feeding (with food, with ideas, with affect...) is the most important thing. Anyway I think I am going to explore this new part of the sea with samplers. Can we make a chart of which samplers and sequencer (if the use of my Roland VS 840 ex is not helping in this case) are the most suggested from this list? We can consider samplers with their own hardware or as pc programs. I would really appreciate this help from you. For me looping is a reflection of my thoughts. Make them looping is the inner sense of make an idea grow without loosing its root and see how much the tree can go high, until it finds that a leave can become the soil for a new birth. I love sushi. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 14:53:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26521; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:53:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:53:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101bf6db5$6161a2c0$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - One for the archives Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:40:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"mts152.0.Ft4.qT8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HOW TO USE THE DFX-94 FOR LOOPING: Most delay functions are pretty self-explanatory, so I'll assume you mean how to use it for sampling, and then triggering the sample during performance. Here we go (with the manual in front of me): 1. Select the SAMPLE position on the RANGE/MODE switch. In this mode the BYPASS fotswitch becomes the SAMPLE footswitch only. 2. Adjust the amount of delay time you want with the DELAY control. 3. When you're ready to sample, tap the footswitch. The INFINITE REPEAT/SAMPLE LED light will go *OUT*. The unit is *now* sampling whatever you play into it. The LED comes back *ON* when the sample record time is done. (If you're plaing along at home, the unit is finished sampling what ever you played into it). 4. Select the TRIGGER position on the RANGE/MODE switch. In this mode the BYPASS footswitch becomes the SAMPLE TRIGGER footswitch only. The unit is now ready for triggering. 5. Whenever you want to TRIGGER the playback of your recorded sample sound, tap the footswitch. With practice (trial and lots of error), by putting the unit into and out of SAMPLE RECORD for one cycle, you can layer more lines onto the previously sampled sound (after a while though, quality deteriorates). After recording a sampled sound, you can also turn the RANGE/MODE switch to INFINITE REPEAT and play back a repeating loop (the whole point, right?) of your recorded sample. That should help, I hope. - Larry T -----Original Message----- From: JTstudio66@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: DFX94 4 second sampler >Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just >got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 15:19:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05357; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:19:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:19:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <037901bf6db4$68b29c60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:33:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"F9ByW1.0.3s4.bT8cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is that "patient" as in "I need a Doctor...in psychiatry!" Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? >A Max patch is a program written in the computer >language Max, which is specifically designed >for use with MIDI and digital audio. >It works entirely in real time. >If you're patient enough, stress the word >patient again, maybe give the ol' word "patient" >another nudge, you can learn MAX to the extent >that you'll never need a sequencer or effects >or samplers or anything else ever again. >But you have to be kinda patient with it. >And you need a Mac. > >Cheers > > >Andrew > >> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:29:11 +0100 >> To: >> Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:30:17 -0500 >> >> Hi kim, >> It is very interesting what you are describing here. But what is a maxi >> patch? If you don´t mind me asking once again i would like to know what kind >> of equipment you are using to create and manipulate your loops. I know I´ve >> asked this before and didn´t get a response but all i am triying to do is >> get more acquainted with equipment and ways people are conecting things >> together.By the way thanks very much for answering my last e-mail about EDP >> noise, i cleaned up the EDP overdub input and the noise is gone! >> L.A. >>> >>> One thing I've also had some fun with is making a simple max patch that >>> triggers a randomly different loop at a steady tempo. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 16:22:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30888; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:22:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:22:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130108@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:45:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"V4l0m2.0.O44.1V9cu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't you think that it comes down to finding a venue that does music somewhat similar to what you're doing (which means that you may have to search it out and hear what other people are doing) and then speaking with the booker??? stig Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop performances. My question is, how do you approach a venue owner and convince them that they need a looper to entertain their paying customers? I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably performing for close to nothing. Again, just curious. Thanks, Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 18:36:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17416; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:36:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:36:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00da01bf6db6$1a814c60$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"b9xu63.0.Ol3.ssBcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well a good idea (and I play a lot of coffeehouse/bookstore/museum/gallery shows) is to get a tape together. When I approach someone who may hire me, I always say my group plays 'guitar and flute music, with female vocals'. I don't explain that I use looping, or guitar synth, or electric guitar (the sound of all those things is what the tape is for). I think people tend to freak out if you say 'electronics', or 'ambient' or even 'new age' (I am just talking with my experience, with my music). It is not really important (to them) how you make the sounds-just that it won't scare people away. Also, you don't have to play for nothing- choose the right venue (*very* important) for your music- seek ones that regularly feature interesting acts. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my > self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop > performances. My question is, how do you approach > a venue owner and convince them that they need a > looper to entertain their paying customers? > > I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably > performing for close to nothing. > > Again, just curious. > > Thanks, > > Larry T > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. > > > >WEll, > > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight > >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want > directions ? haha. > >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it > >though. > > > >Denis > > > >Denis Taaffe > >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > >http://www.dtguitar.com > > > >- > > > > I am looking > >to see some shows with looping content > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 18:23:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13698; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389930FA.A88B8D20@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:40:42 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim flint Subject: Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b36ou.0._G.oGBcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint explained how he badly treats his echoplex by sending her 2ms apart triggers by midi kim these max experiments could be shared with us if you would be kind enough to post a midifile copy on the loopers site thanks the not so "abdominal muscles" trained Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 19:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30621; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:06:52 EST Subject: OT:Chaos To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"ieuOB1.0.yh6.1RCcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For some reason I thought I would through this out, especially after looking at the book liston the web site. Even though it contains nothing musical whatsoever, the book Chaos by James Gleick has definitely changed my whole musical outlook. The book is essentially a historical look on the developements of the Chaos theory. Considering that all of us here work in a field that exploits random mutations of a system, I thought it would be a great addition to the reading list. The book was recommended to me by percussion teacher who uses all sorts of phase manipulations and feedback scenarios to alter motives. Also, similarly off topic, someone wrote to me regarding the digitech mail-list. Please reply, I would like to get back on the 2112 list. Thanks. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:02:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13100; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:02:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JTstudio66@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:28:05 EST Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - One for the archives To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 42 Resent-Message-ID: <"IAyw31.0.yJ.xkCcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info on the sampler Larry! Anyone have any recomendations for any guitar loop recordings I can download. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:03:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01569; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:03:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:03:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008b01bf6dea$7ca53580$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: OT:Chaos Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:00:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"6G8m3.0.Zr7.C2Ecu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, the Gleick book is very good (though now somewhat dated). If you enjoyed it you'll love "Complexity", a book by M. Mitchell Waldrop, which picks up where Gleick left off. Another area of interest to chaos and complexity theorists is genetic algorithms - applying evolutionary algorithms to problem solving - like music composition, for instance. John H. Holland's book, "Emergence" is about the emergence of order from disorder, and offers many insights into what loopers do. I'm glad to see that others are into this stuff, too. Thanks, - Larry T >For some reason I thought I would through this out, especially after looking >at the book liston the web site. Even though it contains nothing musical >whatsoever, the book Chaos by James Gleick has definitely changed my whole >musical outlook. The book is essentially a historical look on the >developements of the Chaos theory. Considering that all of us here work in a >field that exploits random mutations of a system, I thought it would be a >great addition to the reading list. The book was recommended to me by >percussion teacher who uses all sorts of phase manipulations and feedback >scenarios to alter motives. > >Also, similarly off topic, someone wrote to me regarding the digitech >mail-list. Please reply, I would like to get back on the 2112 list. Thanks. > >Later! >Joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:51:54 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29896; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:51:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203014244.68774.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:42:44 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ve5AI1.0.tX6.vqDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anyone have any advise on using a DOD DFX94 4 second delay/sampler? I just >got a hold of one and am new to sampling so any info would help out. > 1) Don't use it just for guitar! It's good for anything! 2) Not a lot of loopers have an analog pitch wheel, but this one does. 3) "Repeat" indicates how many layers your sample or loop can have. 4) It's not really good for trying to get the timing of things to match up exactly, but it's great for creating interesting surprises simultaneously. 5) Try layering the same thing at different pitches and speeds, at different intervals. 6) If you loop a solid note on it, then you can play it like it's own instrument using the pitch wheel and the volume control. 7) You can also play it like an instrument by using the triggered sample playback (where you hit the pedal to play the sample) with the volume control. 8) It's the most useful squashbox you'll ever own! Don't ever mistake it for "another effect pedal"! Anything more, and I'll be letting you in on my trade secrets. good luck! Matt Davignon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:43:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27375; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:43:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008101bf6de7$2f243c00$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:37:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"66PWm2.0.ng5.1iDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) - Larry -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >don't you think that it comes down to finding a venue that does music >somewhat similar to what you're doing (which means that you may have to >search it out and hear what other people are doing) and then speaking with >the booker??? > >stig > > >Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my >self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop >performances. My question is, how do you approach >a venue owner and convince them that they need a >looper to entertain their paying customers? > >I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably >performing for close to nothing. > >Again, just curious. > >Thanks, > >Larry T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 20:57:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31938; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203014948.84849.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DFX94 4 second sampler - recordings Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:49:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fpppj2.0.rE7.UxDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Thanks for the info on the sampler Larry! Anyone have any recomendations >for >any guitar loop recordings I can download. > www.mp3.com/mattdavignon The DFX 94 is used extensively in "Lazy Eye" (on records and CD's) and "A Small Explosion in Slow Motion" (on voice), as well as "5 Spots remix 5" (used for remixing). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:04:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01664; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:04:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008401bf6de8$2bbbc730$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:44:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"SNdfH.0.LG6.foDcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the response. I knew I'd have to show the tape around but wasn't sure about the disclosure bit. In the past, I could easily lie my way into a place. Things haven't changed that much, I see. ;-) I'm going to start with the coffeebar/university/ bookstore thing first. It's interesting to read the anecdotal stuff, too. - Larry T -----Original Message----- From: future perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >Well a good idea (and I play a lot of coffeehouse/bookstore/museum/gallery >shows) is to get a tape together. When I approach someone who may hire me, I >always say my group plays 'guitar and flute music, with female vocals'. I >don't explain that I use looping, or guitar synth, or electric guitar (the >sound of all those things is what the tape is for). I think people tend to >freak out if you say 'electronics', or 'ambient' or even 'new age' (I am >just talking with my experience, with my music). It is not really important >(to them) how you make the sounds-just that it won't scare people away. >Also, you don't have to play for nothing- choose the right venue (*very* >important) for your music- seek ones that regularly feature interesting >acts. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > >> >> Lately, I have thinking about crawling out of my >> self-imposed exile and doing a few local loop >> performances. My question is, how do you approach >> a venue owner and convince them that they need a >> looper to entertain their paying customers? >> >> I suppose a demo and bio would suffice, and probably >> performing for close to nothing. >> >> Again, just curious. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Larry T >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Taaffe, Denis G >> To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:22 PM >> Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. >> >> >> >WEll, >> > I'm not frm boston but I am doing a live looping guitar gig tonight >> >at the Encore,cafe bloomington, IN from 7-9. Do you want >> directions ? haha. >> >Well it should be a good show. I'm not sure how people will receive it >> >though. >> > >> >Denis >> > >> >Denis Taaffe >> >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >> >http://www.dtguitar.com >> > >> >- >> > >> > I am looking >> >to see some shows with looping content >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 22:01:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20286; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:01:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:01:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.17d512e.25ca46f1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:50:25 EST Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"M39xg.0.h54.QqEcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/2/00 8:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ltct@concentric.net writes: > Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, > I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) > i've played fat city in charlotte n.c. a few times ................... cool place .......... nice people ............. you should giv'em a call ......... brian electric bird noise sound etc. at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 21:56:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18569; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000202213813.007a8380@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 21:38:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000202102136.00a88bb8@pilgrim.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zmo2x2.0.Du2.MdEcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Joe, Listmember David Kirkdorffer puts together looping shows semi-regularly (every six months or so) in the Boston area. He calls it the Boston Loopers' Collective. I've only been fortunate enough to make it to one of them, though, at the Middle East in Cambridge... They way he did it was to have each looper play a short solo set, then some duos, then finally a big ensemble thing. I don't know when he's planning his next one. Regarding the wide distribution, this might be the right time to suggest that others on the list try the same thing: rather than trying to get booked on a 6 band Tuesday night to get onstage and fit subtle, introspective nuances between a Nirvana-wannabe band and a Pantera clone, it might make sense to try to team up for an evening of music with something in common. It wouldn't have to be presented as looping per se. We're spread out over a wide area, but there are "pockets" of us that could organize something that might appeal to someone booking a venue. (There are quite a few loopers in the Bay Area, for example.) It would be interesting if these shows could be recorded and made available to the list... Tim At 10:27 AM 2/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry about the wide distribution, but I thought this would be the best way >to find an answer..... > >Are there any performing loopers out there in the Boston area? I am looking >to see some shows with looping content (preferably with acoustic >instrumentation). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 2 23:39:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18173; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:39:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:39:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:28:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000202213813.007a8380@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"jQcBe2.0.tk3.DHGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, this sounds very cool. I'm all for this. I think teamwork is where it's at. I'm in the San Francisco Bay area; anybody wants to arrange or participate in something like this, write me off-list. Thanks. | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Wednesday 02 February 2000 6:38 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. | | | Hi Joe, | | Listmember David Kirkdorffer puts together looping shows semi-regularly | (every six months or so) in the Boston area. He calls it the Boston | Loopers' Collective. I've only been fortunate enough to make it | to one of | them, though, at the Middle East in Cambridge... They way he | did it was to | have each looper play a short solo set, then some duos, then | finally a big | ensemble thing. I don't know when he's planning his next one. | ... something in common. It wouldn't have to be presented as looping per se. | We're spread out over a wide area, but there are "pockets" of | us that could | organize something that might appeal to someone booking a | venue. (There are | quite a few loopers in the Bay Area, for example.) | | It would be interesting if these shows could be recorded and | made available | to the list... | | Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 00:05:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25966; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3899085A.F821CB1A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:47:22 -0500 From: :"-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SlyOT: Eventide Users Group? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U9lcW2.0.AB5.qYGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, does anyone know of an Eventide Users Group? I tried www.nextgen.com/eug, but it doesn't seem to be responding to me. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 00:14:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28956; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:59:04 EST Subject: DL4 Versions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"w2Cuz.0.kv5.wiGcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been thinking about buying a line6 dl4 and I remember there being some discussion in reference to different versions and I'm wondering if anyone could tell me what those differences are. Anything drastic? I'll most likely wind up getting one through the mail so I might not be able to check it out before buying but I am curious. Also... how can you tell which version you have? Much thanks in advance (wishing I could just buy an echoplex) jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 08:57:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22134; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:57:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:57:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012e01bf6e4d$de288d80$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 08:52:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"wZLBg.0.1a4.5TOcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll check Fat City out. Let me know when you're in town again and I'll lend some moral support. Thanks, - Larry T >> Well, as I said, I've been out of it for a while. Naturally, >> I'll check out the local venues...(Charlotte, NC, btw) >> >i've played fat city in charlotte n.c. a few times ................... cool >place .......... nice people ............. you should giv'em a call ......... >brian >electric bird noise > >sound etc. at: >http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 09:38:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08908; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBE@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:32:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"SzUhP2.0._x.f6Pcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Hey that would be very cool. So there is another looper around. Cool. Sure I have lots of recordings of live shows. In fact, the show yesterday was taped. hmmm, hey perhaps we could trade some venues where they accept looppers. do you do a solo electric gutiar show, as well? Lafayette, I have been there, near Purdue Univeristy,yes? Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com Bloomington, IN? I'm up here in Lafayette, IN. We should trade looping gigs or at least recordings of live shows. Interested? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 09:34:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04973; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:34:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBC@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:27:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"-Zx7g2.0.JX.J1Pcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, yes, well, for me anyway, I prepared a four song demo on cd-r, a letter saying I'd like to play live,what style, how long it takes me to setup and that it should appeal to guitar fans of course). I also included a 8x10 photo and a press review of my CD. Then you have to check in with them every week or so,till they get sick of you and book you to get rid of the constant nagging haha. Well seriously though, out of 15 places, only 1 contacted me before I contacted them. No biggie just a phone call every week to two weeks. Definitely get the booker's name and number.Also, be flexible payment wise: I have been paid cash, gift certificates, food, not clothing yet but I could see it happening. haha I just played a gig yesterday evening at a cafe in Bloomington,IN and I played for 2 1/2 hours straight without a break, I played lots of guitar solo's, loops,etc. I thought I played well, but the management said I was too loud in the begining of course and that they had a constant stream of complaints from people over 50 about the volume haha,.But it did go over ok with the younger folks, but except for the booker, I don't think there ware any loopers or rock guitar fans there haha. Overall a nice evening of loop-a-mania even for a unguitarish crowd. That's the one thing I have found with booking gigs, is that the crowd may not be into your style and even though you play well, it may just not be the right crowd. but if the booker is pleased and you give 100% it usually pans out. Get out there and play, it's nice. Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 11:37:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10475; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:37:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.a81e96.25cb038e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:15:10 EST Subject: looping in Ottawa To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"oEEbO1.0.2F7.ocQcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will be plying roots and ambient guitar with Canadian singer-songwriter Douglas September at The Great Canadian Theatre Ottawa Ontario in the Acoustic Waves Concert Series 2 shows only Feb 6 & 7 8 pm... opening for the Wyrd Sisters bon soir, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 12:03:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23464; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:03:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:03:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Joseph Long'" Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The Loopers' Collective BOSTON / Providence - Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:44:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Yf0t91.0.3G4.z3Rcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Joseph & Other New England Area Loopers- Glad to make your acquaintance. Through the graces of Ross Hamlin and Open Faucet, I've been pulling together looping shows in Boston for about two years, mostly at the Middle East under the Loopers' Collective or Space Lounge monikers. The Loopers Collective IV is set for March 6 (8-11pm) downstairs at The Middle East. This one will feature The Echo Chamber Ensemble -- acoustic instruments mixed and looped in real-time by uber-looper Dave Barnes. I'm looking to add three DJ's to the show, as a counter balance. The goal is to have three sets. E.C.E. DJ's E.C.E. & DJ's In the past The Loopers Collective has featured Digeridoo, Violin, Guitar, Electric Drums, Guitar Synth, Flute, Voice, Bass, Midi-Xylophone (sp?) and Theremin. I probably forgetting something/someone. Live video mixing has always accompanied these shows by Dr. T. IV will also feature visuals from Karen Albano. I'm planning a Looping Concession Stand at IV -- where New England loopers (and possibly vendors of technology...) can sell stuff, too. If you're interested in selling your Looping oriented CD/Cassette, please contact me in advance. I'm not looking to make any money from this, but no-one will be allowed to sell stuff unless they contact me first. I need to keep some control of this aspect of things. One thing is for certain, these shows are growing and the networking that goes on is half the fun. The Loopers Collective V will be in Rhode Island at AS/220 on April 15. I'm interested in meeting some Rhode Island based Loopers to feature in this show. Interested? Please contact me. If there is enough interest, The Loopers' Collective can perform anywhere in New England. David Kirkdorffer UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 14:40:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24716; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:40:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:40:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDBC@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"GecdL.0.So4.nQTcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ah yes! Happy the gig was mostly successful! One of the things that is really important while playing odd loopy music is making sure the place you are playing attracts an open, accepting crowd who are used to the unexpected. This goes back to the idea of picking your gigs wisely. A crowd used to hearing 'Brown Eyed Girl' might not be the best place to play. Sure, it may be a great night, but it will be a very long one if people seem annoyed that you are there, or worse, don't notice you at all. I have found that an open-minded crowd (they are out there!) will dig anything thats done really well. So go get them gigs! Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > was too loud in the begining of course and that they had a constant stream > of complaints from people over 50 about the volume haha,.But it > did go over > ok with the younger folks, but except for the booker, I don't think there > ware any loopers or rock guitar fans there haha. Overall a nice evening of > loop-a-mania even for a unguitarish crowd. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 18:18:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29340; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <44.177b65f.25cb5506@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:02:46 EST Subject: Re: The Loopers' Collective BOSTON / Providence - Looking to see Live Perform... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"77lmt1.0.OP4.HiVcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/3/00 12:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com writes: > I'm planning a Looping Concession Stand at IV -- where New England loopers > (and possibly vendors of technology...) can sell stuff, too. If you're > interested in selling your Looping oriented CD/Cassette, please contact me > hey david, if it's all right i'd like to send you a few copies of our "unleashing the inner robot" cd to put out on the looping concession stand thoughts? thanks! brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 19:04:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18005; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 19:04:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000203230544.21312.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: alias crossings Subject: Re: will calhoun w/D torn@knitting fact. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"tY7AJ.0.901.tzWcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did anyone see the gig (Spattercell Feat. Will Calhoun and David Torn) @knitting factory ? I wonder if someone would be able to help me in finding out what kind of samplers ("loopers"), controllers, sequencers were apart of W Calhoun's setup. And David Torns ambient noise producing devices.. are any analag electronic stuff part of David's rig. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 3 20:48:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30199; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) In-Reply-To: <008101bf6de7$2f243c00$404badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"moVEh3.0.-96.HvYcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I'll be doing a few shows this month if anybody's around Seattle. I'll even be lecturing about composition (including looping) to the Washington Composer's Forum next week. More details are on my pageS: http://www.intonarumori.com/performances.html Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 00:13:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09729; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:13:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.ae6559.25cbb7e2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:04:34 EST Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"K_lqD3.0.b41.Dubcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical capacity, at any time in the near or distant future? I thought I might have,but wanted to make sure the word got out. Bryan Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 01:07:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03436; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:07:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009e01bf6ed5$edb932d0$7a4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"yB_aa2.0._l7.9kccu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Word of mouth seems to be working fine. ;) >Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical >capacity, >at any time in the near or distant future? I thought I might have,but wanted >to make >sure the word got out. > Bryan Helm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 06:27:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16522; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:27:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:27:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013401bf6f02$05dab420$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"jZKL01.0.OQ3.dLhcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ciao Luca, mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy che altro come osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei l'unico looper italiano! Sono riuscito anch'io a mettere le mani su un EDP (usato) e in effetti e' una macchina molto interessante. Sono un progettista HW/SW e sto lavorando (a titolo personale e nel poco tempo libero che ho) a un'unita' simile, ma stereofonica, 48KHz e con un multieffetto integrato. Mi e' parso di capire che hai avuto qualche problema con il tuo EDP: se riesci a ricuperarlo (!), potrei vedere di farci qualcosa (il mio si guasto' tempo fa e dovetti sostituire la CPU). Parlando di cose meno tecniche, mi piacerebbe sapere se riesci a suonare in giro e che tipo di musica fai. Per quanto mi riguarda, fino ad oggi sono rimasto al coperto, ma a fine aprile suonero' in un teatro della zona accompagnato da una ballerina. Si tratta di una serie di improvvisazioni sonore danzate, ritmiche e non, di sola chitarra (forse qualche percussione triggerata con sensori sul corpo). Niente di assolutamente nuovo, ma comunque un bell'esperimento. Fatti vivo, se te ne va: io sto ad Ancona, ma giro parecchio, quindi non e' detto che non ci si riesca a vedere! Ariciao! Stefano Voulaz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 07:58:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15063; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:58:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:58:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015001bf6f0b$66083300$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: References: <3896BB75.1EE2@club-internet.fr> <3.0.5.32.20000201182810.007a8950@pop.ici.net> <00b301bf6db7$f593a540$7d2726d4@h2v6p1> Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:28:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"FAVNV2.0.3B1.cKicu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OOOPS! :-O Sorry for the wrong post... BTW, ciao to everybody! Stefano From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 09:07:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10303; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:44:17 EST Subject: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"xQmlV2.0.SM.OVjcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit before i commit the cash to it. Thank Yee All, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 09:23:47 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15190; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:23:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDD8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looking to see Live Performers.. (promo) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:02:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vAbwL1.0.RX1.lmjcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that is some cool news.I'll defnitely check this out. DT Did I mention that I'll be appearing nowhere in public at all, in any musical capacity, at any time in the near or distant future? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:27:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07083; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:27:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:27:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDE5@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: new 5 song live EP Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:20:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"54vYb.0.BH1.cvkcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Hey I have a newly released 5 song from the "live solo electric guitar shows" I have been doing which uses lots of guitar loops.It's a live ep for sale at mp3.com for $5.99.It's a D.A.M CD, basically when you buy it, mp3.com will send you the 5 songs as mp3's, but they also send via snail mail the CD (or is it a CD-r?, not sure). Well, anyway one of the songs is available for free download/preview but the rest only come with the CD. I thought this was kind of neat. Anyone else have D.A.M CD's available? If not, maybe it is worthwhile to create one,no? Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:28:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07207; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000204101134.007a7760@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:11:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: akai headrush In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sad0G2.0.nv7.Xlkcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like mine a lot, but it does have its limitations. Seems an awful lot of people are trading in their Headrushes for DL4's. My Headrush has been very dependable, and any problems I've had with it aren't really its fault. For example, it tends to break up pretty easily on bassy content, but I've found that's more a gain-staging thing that you'll find with ANY looper. Also, some users have complained that it's not a true bypass, but I haven't found that to be a huge problem. The Headrush is easy to use, and it's very rugged. The sample rate (and therefore the sound quality) is excellent. If you're looking for lots of features or more loop time (the 23.8 seconds claimed for the Headrush is cut in half if you intend to do any layering), you might be better spending a little more for something more versatile, but the 'rush certainly does what it's advertised to do, and even if you do eventually upgrade to a more full-featured looper, you'd still probably find the Headrush useful somewhere in your setup. People have tried mine, then bought one of their own, so if you can find someone who's got one, you might want to play with it for a while, as they can be kind of hard to find in stores. (Everyone I know who has one got it through mail-order...) Tim At 08:44 AM 2/4/00 EST, you wrote: >i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying >one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit >before i commit the cash to it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 10:47:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16265; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DDE6@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "Taaffe, Denis G" , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: new 5 song live EP Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:24:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"vVHhj1.0.dN1.lykcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oops I forgot, the url for my live ep is http://www.mp3.com/denis_taaffe . -----Original Message----- From: Taaffe, Denis G Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:21 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: new 5 song live EP Hello, Hey I have a newly released 5 song from the "live solo electric guitar shows" I have been doing which uses lots of guitar loops.It's a live ep for sale at mp3.com for $5.99.It's a D.A.M CD, basically when you buy it, mp3.com will send you the 5 songs as mp3's, but they also send via snail mail the CD (or is it a CD-r?, not sure). Well, anyway one of the songs is available for free download/preview but the rest only come with the CD. I thought this was kind of neat. Anyone else have D.A.M CD's available? If not, maybe it is worthwhile to create one,no? Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 11:02:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20638; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:02:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:02:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013401bf6f02$05dab420$8e02a8c0@voulaz> Resent-Message-ID: <"asnGv2.0.AS4.WPlcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't understand a word he said, but I like it. | -----Original Message----- | From: Stefano Voulaz [mailto:voulaz@korg.it] | Sent: Friday 04 February 2000 3:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? | | | Ciao Luca, | mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy | che altro come | osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 11:50:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08738; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:32:58 -0600 Subject: PMC-10, ebay From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1EJHM.0.RE.Gzlcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The legendary controller: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096027 TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:04:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13987; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:04:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:04:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:54:04 EST Subject: Re: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"Lv5MA.0.oX2.GHmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i own one, and so far i am extremely happy with it. the only thing i noticed is that when you loop using destortion on your amp, and play the lead, it cuts out the rythum part ( or the loop), but, the good thing is, that if you use a destortion pedal, it works fine! reese From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:22:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22148; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389B08B9.F1601401@engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:13:36 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [OT] Re: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-Xst.0.Ut4.zYmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using babelfish.altavista.com translate gives : Hello Luca, I call Stefano and I for a long time follow the list of the Loopers, piy that other like observer. I have thought made it appeal to you to know that not six.. hmmm...babelfish obviously needs work ;) Darcy "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > I can't understand a word he said, but I like it. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Stefano Voulaz [mailto:voulaz@korg.it] > | Sent: Friday 04 February 2000 3:22 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: R: R: Sushi ...what about italian food? > | > | > | Ciao Luca, > | mi chiamo Stefano e seguo da tempo la lista dei Loopers, piy > | che altro come > | osservatore. Ho pensato ti facesse piacere sapere che non sei ... -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate' ..... Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 12:21:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22082; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <381074183.949684339650.JavaMail.root@web19.pub01> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:12:19 -0500 (EST) From: lar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg AX1G User Manual in text-only Format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 142.145.234.182 Resent-Message-ID: <"vP7wH2.0.4i4.sXmcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I own and enjoy a Korg AX1G multi-effects unit, but have come across a number of users who have lost or don't have the factory printed User Manual. For those who would like an (unofficial/unauthorized) text version of the manual, for a limited time you can go to the link below and save a copy for yourself. I have found it quite useful, especially considering that, for some reason, Korg hasn't posted the manual to the web. Except for the lack of illustrations, this text-only version is apparently pretty faithful to the factory printed manual. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Canyon/9347/AX1Gmanual.html ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 14:42:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13747; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:29:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Stuck in the Middle Problem In-Reply-To: <006d01bf6977$d48d06a0$200e1fac@Eskilstuna.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cDdp-.0.sY1.4Xocu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Help! I'm perplexed. Perhaps this has happened to you: My looping rack includes a poly synth, a mono synth, a DBX 266 compressor, an Alesis SR-16, a MiniDisc deck, a graphic EQ (not hooked up right now due to a patch cord shortage), a SansAmp, a Korg SDD-1000 for short loops, an ART ProVerb and a Headrush, all connected to a Spirit Folio board. (Yes, they're all in one rack; it's huge, but it's on wheels and everything stays plugged in so I can set up in two minutes. It's called the missioncontrolherniamaker...) Guitar, bass and theremin go into the mixer through a separate on-the-floor pedalboard which also splits off to a separate guitar amp, and sometimes I plug a mic into the board to loop flutes, didgeridu and the odd acoustic thingy when I'm in a low-noise setting (not all that often...). (Clowns to the left of me...) Here's the problem: until today, I amplified the stuff in the rack by sending two lines out from the board to two separate bass amps, each with cabs. A couple of hours ago, I put a stereo power amp (a one-space 90w/ch Electar EPA-200) into the rack, the idea being that I'd get a cleaner full-range sound and would no longer have to carry two bass heads around. It sounds fine, BUT only if I keep all my pans exactly centered and keep my two output faders at exactly the same level, otherwise I get horrible distortion. (I actually like ugly, mangled distortion sometimes when used sparingly, but this is overboard and useless...) I'm also finding that I can't use either of the stereo channels (the MiniDisc deck and the drum machine) for the same reason, and that's not good. (Jokers to the right...) Obviously this defeats the whole purpose of running in stereo. Ordinarily, I like to be able to position my two loopers at different places in the stereo field, and also tend to pan powerful bassy sounds away from more subtle stuff that would otherwise get swamped. (Here I am...) I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't find a problem... (Stuck in the middle in MONO...) What shoulds me do? Can anyone help me segue that Stealer's Wheel tune into the Cars' "Moving In Stereo"? (Not that that's such a great tune or anything, but you get the point...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 17:13:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09969; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:13:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:13:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:28 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA04260 Resent-Message-ID: <"UGfgH.0.o21.zpqcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looping gig alert... Gary Hull, Bill Walker, Miko B. and Rick Walker will be performing solo sets (in that order) Sunday 2-13, at the Bulkhead Gallery, 130 Bulkhead St. Santa Cruz, CA. (near the town clock and down the street from Skateworks). Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks and the event starts at 8:30pm Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 18:31:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06495; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:23:59 EST Subject: Re: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"WAWqo3.0.Ss.u-rcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/4/00 8:13:15 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks >> mnm.......i would like one 3 buck and one 4 buck seat........can you fix me up?........mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 19:09:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22596; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:09:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:59:40 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: Loop Fest 2 - - The Spawning! Sunday 2-13, 8:30pm... Resent-Message-ID: <"tD5yC3.0.AE4.TXscu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Shipping is gonna cost ya on those mnm! Hard to chase down those sliding bucks too! MikoNOTMichael >>> 02/04 3:30 PM >>> In a message dated 2/4/00 8:13:15 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Admission is a sliding 3-5 bucks >> mnm.......i would like one 3 buck and one 4 buck seat........can you fix me up?........mnm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 19:58:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07079; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:49:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: LOOPFEST TWO gig in Santa Cruz, CA. USA, Earth... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id TAA04275 Resent-Message-ID: <"kYCKJ3.0.531.dGtcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok gang... here's the official fancy-pants press release for the loop gig! Now I'm getting excited! 8-) Miko ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sunday, February 13th at 8 p.m., Rick Walker presents the Festival of Emerging Santa Cruz Electronica, REV 5.0: LOOPFEST TWO at the BULKHEAD GALLERY (also slated for demolition later next month following the fate of WHAT IS ART). After the success of the first digital looping festival, four more artists have been slated to perform including a full set from Loop.One (Rick Walkers' solo looping project). Opening the show is GARY HULL, followed by an atmospheric solo guitar looping performance by BILL WALKER. MIKO B will then follow with a set of sonic mayhem and wonder followed by RICK WALKER's LOOP.ONE (a set composed of found percussion, odd instruments, perplexing rhythms and audience participation). All proceeds will go to benefit the CULTURAL WORKERS UNION and the BULKHEAD GALLERY. The Bulkhead Gallery is just north of the Town Clock off of Pacific Avenue. A sliding scale donation of $5-$10 is suggested. please call Rick Walker at 425-8659 for more information From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 4 22:41:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04847; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:41:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:41:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf7018$e78f08a0$c78909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: Subject: Re: akai headrush Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:38:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"d3hcp1.0.Oz.5hvcu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The only problem I have is a slight hiss. I use two of them, 1 to tap in a delay, and the other one is after it, as a looping device. To cut some of the hiss I have the headrushes after my preamp. Which for me is a Sansamp bass preamp, then I go straight into the poweramp. This cut the hiss buy half. Cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:44 AM Subject: akai headrush > i checked out the past postings on this box and am very interested in buying > one. i would like to know if anyone has found any problems with this unit > before i commit the cash to it. > > Thank Yee All, > Peter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 01:41:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00636; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:41:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205052214.28408.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: alto music To: looper list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"vuOrx1.0.jv6.5Jycu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is it just me or does the website for altomusic (home of the $200 dl4) no longer load? If so, does anyone know the phone number? I finally have the $$ but now can't seem to be able to access the site to order one. not good. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 07:56:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27974; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:56:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389C9583.17ED8F8D@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:26:27 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem References: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J1td8.0.o45.Za1du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > > I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all > copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct > position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't > find a problem... > did you try it with another line source like the MD direct in the amp to test the amp alone ?? >the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position are u shure ?? sorry if doesnt help because I'm no technician just another guy with a big system that sends you some compassion Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 09:19:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25116; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389C2B8D.8725DC42@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:54:21 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: alto music References: <20000205052214.28408.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HToyC.0.0V4.Tq2du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alto's number is 914 692 6922 Aaron Schindler wrote: > Is it just me or does the website for altomusic (home > of the $200 dl4) no longer load? If so, does anyone > know the phone number? > I finally have the $$ but now can't seem to be able to > access the site to order one. not good. > > Aaron > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 09:48:33 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02495; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:48:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.b06ed1.25cd8dd5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:29:41 EST Subject: Re: akai headrush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"ayLey.0.Bp6.xF3du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com First I bought one. Two months later, I bought another one. One feeds into the other. When I have a nice loop in #1 (of many layers), I record it to #2. While #2 is playing, I start again with #1. Great fun! They're simple to use. No complaints. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 10:43:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22650; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:43:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:43:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205153851.3921.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: alto music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"jwDVB.0.fA5.gG4du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > Alto's number is 914 692 6922 Thank you. I just ordered my dl4; and now I must go sit by my mailbox and wait for the next 3 days. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 10:33:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17289; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:33:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:33:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000205103022.007ab330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:30:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem In-Reply-To: <389C9583.17ED8F8D@vtx.ch> References: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vPNYJ3.0.c74.A74du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:26 PM 2/5/00 -0800, Claude Voit wrote: >Tim Nelson wrote: >> I've already double-checked the wiring to ensure that the polarity is all >> copacetic and everything, the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct >> position, the board's not overloading, the input levels are fine; I can't >> find a problem... > >did you try it with another line source like the MD direct in the amp >to test the amp alone ?? Good idea. I just tried it; the problem's still there, so I think I can rule out a mixer problem suddenly having developed. It's either the amp or the way I'm using it. >>the amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct position >are u shure ?? I had visually checked the switch when I opened the box, but hadn't physically set it, so I just pulled the amp out of the rack to be sure. It was correct. (The switch is recessed into the bottom of the unit and is inaccessible when installed in a rack.) > >sorry if doesnt help because >I'm no technician just another guy with a big system that sends you some >compassion Merci, Claude! What I'm suspecting now( yet since I'm no engineer it's only a guess) is that the problem may in some way be related to phase, since it only happens when the signal to the two sides is different (i.e. when there's a true stereo source, when the pan control on a particular mono channel isn't centered, or when the output faders are set to different levels. At extremely low volumes, the problem disappears. I know the amp has protection circuitry which will not allow it to operate if the load drops below 4 ohms, and I'm wondering if that might be happening, since the "protect" LED flickers whenever the distortion is present. I'm not exactly sure what the load is; I'm using it to power a pair of SoundTech monitors which each have 1-12" and a horn (the specs panel was never filled out and I got them at least secondhand) but I can't imagine them being lower than 4 ohms. (Trying to smallerize, and not have to carry the big cabinets around!) I suppose I should start looking for my meter... Does anyone know if this type of problem would occur if the impedance of the monitors were not the same? I'm assuming they are identical, since they're the same model, but I'm not certain. They're pretty beat up, too, so I'm not ruling out anything! I have to pack the rig up in an hour or so to take out to play this afternoon. I can get by without using the SR-16, and I suppose I can use an adaptor to send the MiniDisc in mono to an unused non-stereo channel, but there go my cool side-to-side sampled atmospheric loops! I guess I'll be bringing the bass heads and cabs as a backup... Thanks, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 11:04:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28663; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:04:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000205110042.007af690@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 11:00:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000204142911.007aede0@pop.ici.net> References: <006d01bf6977$d48d06a0$200e1fac@Eskilstuna.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BG7lo1.0.Tb6.aZ4du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual instruments want to read about something downright weird, go to eBay and type in "electric didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 12:29:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28073; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:29:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:29:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000205172313.28555.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: Re: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"WjUHE2.0._R6.Xo5du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual > instruments want to read > about something downright weird, go to eBay and type > in "electric > didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... > > If you look up "Lark in the Morning" they sell "unusual musical instruments" and have electric bagpipes. (for when you get bored with the electric didgeridu). OK- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 14:10:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30886; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:10:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:10:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:53:46 EST Subject: Re: Stuck in the Middle Problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"ADAbs1.0.PG1.FF6du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 04/02/00 19:42:50 GMT Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: > amp's mono/bridge switch is in the correct > position, How about the speaker connections, if the -VE outputs aren't both grounded then I figure you could get the effect you describe by swapping over the two -VE speaker wires. Then the +VE of one spkr would be connected to the -VE of the wrong channel( &v.v.). just an idea mind , have you asked 'Electar'? , bet they'd know straight away. Oh , and commiserations with the 'hernia'. Andy "Rack-too-Large-also" Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 5 17:18:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31896; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:18:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:18:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:57:00 EST Subject: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"98c5.0.Qi5.Jp9du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 00:42:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05501; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:42:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:42:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:18:59 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-reply-to: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kaGNd3.0.GX7.dOGdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out >there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... >michael It's on display at NAMM. pretty interesting little box. Just $3200! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 13:59:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21454; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:59:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <27.1691ff4.25cf1c78@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:50:32 EST Subject: new mp3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"S7mzj1.0.m64.YASdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just uploaded a new mp3 to the soundfile page on my site <>. In keeping with my latest goal of developing a scaled down loop set up, somewhat replicating my rack set up, but in pedal form, the signal chain is RP20(slight tonal coloring) - DL4(tweaked backwards delay patch) - Digitech PDS8000(8 sec. long delays w/ max feedback). Check it out. - Paul PS - Did some "on-the-fly" tweaking of the wet/ dry mix on the DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 15:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12874; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:42:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002061942.NAA19373@mw1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: strange instruments/"electric didgeridu" Resent-Message-ID: <"2850W.0.eJ1.nwSdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi folks , thought i might comment on this thread...one of the 2 bands i am fortunate enough to contribute to is Psuedo Buddha (Bobdog, and James Sidlo from LD) well any way we have a didg player (eucalyptus) who does mucho looping his looper of choice is an old Ibanez DM-1100...he has the ability to adjust parameters, unavailable on my jamman, and plex. it is a unique modern approach to a very ancient instrument. if ya have'nt checked out our website,, you can hear this looped didg,,and other strange instruments http://www.pseudobuddha.com james At 11:00 AM 2/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, if any of you who are into looping unusual instruments want to read >about something downright weird, go to eBay and type in "electric >didgeridu" sometime in the next day and a half... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 6 16:18:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08740; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:18:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:18:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <389DDEC0.1F0C9087@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:51:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new mp3 References: <27.1691ff4.25cf1c78@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bnzEN1.0.89.2zTdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey Paul, I'm getting them all but which is the new one? jd PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Just uploaded a new mp3 to the soundfile page on my site > <>. In keeping with my latest goal of > developing a scaled down loop set up, somewhat replicating my rack set up, > but in pedal form, the signal chain is RP20(slight tonal coloring) - > DL4(tweaked backwards delay patch) - Digitech PDS8000(8 sec. long delays w/ > max feedback). Check it out. - Paul > PS - Did some "on-the-fly" tweaking of the wet/ dry mix on the DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 00:07:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01442; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:07:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:07:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf7126$a31017a0$7c859c83@pavilion.cso.niu.edu> From: "Brent" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: dl4 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:48:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"SBsGM.0.9I6.Swadu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know of a good site to get a line6 dl4 for cheap? and i do mean the newer dl4. -brent Broman@niu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 11:33:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03230; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:33:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:33:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:09:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o7NEk1.0.tA6.Owkdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? good to see the loopers. sorry i didn't hang around long, i had to meet someone. I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing about. rich At 09:18 PM 2/5/00 -0800, you wrote: >>this looks like it might be an interesting box for all you midi types out >>there.......made by roland......reviewed on www.harmony-central.com........... >>michael > >It's on display at NAMM. pretty interesting little box. Just $3200! > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 11:58:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14940; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:58:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:36:45 -0600 Subject: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mcAm_2.0.X91.gIldu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like we'll receive no interruption in the responsive customer service that characterizes the Echoplex market. TH > I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, > though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date > and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you > haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial > numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, > 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing > about. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 13:40:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24326; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:40:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:40:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <389F0CDE.F4E47D38@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:20:14 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bg7Ra3.0.zR3.0mmdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich wrote: > I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at > producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt > like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy > for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > > kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? > I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same > features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 15:45:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13991; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:45:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000207122937.007b57d0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:29:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: <389F0CDE.F4E47D38@wxs.nl> References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GGKor3.0.hC2.Ykodu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From what i saw, it's essentially a sampler, with real time controls over pitch, timestretch, and other goodies. Some examples they were showing at the show included: Taking a drum loop, you can adjust the quantizing in real time, altering the loop's "groove", as they call it. (Imagine using this on textural, non-rythmic samples/loops?) On a vocal phrase, your singer misses the last word of the phrase and goes flat. Well, with the VP-9000, you can just adjust the pitch of the last word up and all is well. The VP can assemble multiple samples in different tempos and pitches into a coherent piece, in real time. Also, intelligent harmonies can be done. On board effects. Like I said, the demonstrators were just doing their thing by rote, so the setup involved with the VP to do what they were demo'ing might be more complicated than they indicated...but nonetheless, a very interesting tool. If there is some looping function, where once you capture the sample, it would start playing, and then you could do the VP magic in real time. Yowza! rich At 07:20 PM 2/7/00 +0100, you wrote: >Rich wrote: > >> I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at >> producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt >> like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy >> for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. >> >> kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? >> I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same >> features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? > >Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that >I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) > >Robert > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 17:44:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01398; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:44:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf71bc$e9c73480$c29cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Seeking synthesizer advice Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"q4ZM-.0.2p7.Ubqdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of this in one box? Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will maybe answer my question? Thanks for your help! L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 18:42:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27807; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:42:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:42:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <389F582D.EC011ED0@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:41:33 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> <3.0.6.32.20000207122937.007b57d0@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zmE11.0.oN6.CTrdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich wrote: > >From what i saw, it's essentially a sampler, with real time controls over > pitch, timestretch, and other goodies. Some examples they were showing at > the show included: > > Taking a drum loop, you can adjust the quantizing in real time, altering > the loop's "groove", as they call it. (Imagine using this on textural, > non-rythmic samples/loops?) Oh yeah! :-) > > > On a vocal phrase, your singer misses the last word of the phrase and goes > flat. Well, with the VP-9000, you can just adjust the pitch of the last > word up and all is well. > > The VP can assemble multiple samples in different tempos and pitches into a > coherent piece, in real time. > > Also, intelligent harmonies can be done. > > On board effects. > > Like I said, the demonstrators were just doing their thing by rote, so the > setup involved with the VP to do what they were demo'ing might be more > complicated than they indicated...but nonetheless, a very interesting tool. > If there is some looping function, where once you capture the sample, it > would start playing, and then you could do the VP magic in real time. Yowza! Wow. That would be awsome indeed. Thanks for the info. Robert > > > rich > > At 07:20 PM 2/7/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Rich wrote: > > > >> I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at > >> producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt > >> like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy > >> for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > >> > >> kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? > >> I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same > >> features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? > > > >Can someone tell me what the VP-9000 is supposed to do? Now that > >I see that word "looper" next to it I'm getting curious. ;-) > > > >Robert > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 18:49:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00300; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:49:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:49:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001301bf71bc$e9c73480$c29cb8d4@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:35:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Resent-Message-ID: <"LEHtm2.0.io6.tXrdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 2/7/00 LA wrote: >Hello there, >I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i >decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before >buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need >is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and >sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum >samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of >this in one box? Probably not...but then I too am a guitarist who uses synths and have learned about them as I've gone along. Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will >maybe answer my question? >Thanks for your help! >L.A. The problem with reading about synths is that you NEED to ehar what you are buying. Do yourself a favor and start cruising the music stores and hang listen. Many but not all keyboard synths also coem in rack mount versions. But even if you do not have keyboard chops you can stil hear what's up. And to gget all that you are saying you ned be prepared to spend some dollars. Harmony Central and Music Machines ahve good web sites to check out. there are also liste servs and newsgroups dealing with synths. I used to be Analouge Heaven but he volume was too much to keep up with and genrally info I did not need. SO go listen and determine what you want. Then haunt the used gear websites, newspaper ads, pawn shops. Be patient. Sooner or later everything shows up for sale. I understand that someone is auctioning off Eno's DX-7 and some other synth at ebay this week. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 20:26:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10219; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:26:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01e901bf71d2$daf6ee30$ac4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "L Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"WW5Le2.0.Vv1.Wxsdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out prices. Check out the usual suspects for reviews, like: * Electronic Musician * Sound on Sound * Keyboard magazine * Musician's Friend * Rogue Music You may also want to check the occasional deal on eBay. - Larry T >Hello there, >I am considering buying a synthesizer but there is so many out there that i >decided to first throw this question to this website for advice before >buying. I am primarily a guitarrist and very ignorant of synths. What i need >is a good reliable tool to compose and perform live with good sequencing and >sampling capabilities, lo-fi vinyl effects,cool trip hop drum >samples,beautiful symphonic strings etc. Is there one out there with all of >this in one box? Is there a synth shut out magazine link review that will >maybe answer my question? >Thanks for your help! >L.A. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 7 23:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27134; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:57:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.e7b5fa.25d0ef41@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:02:09 EST Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"8tXs82.0.TZ1.ZLvdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you want a great synth and don't want to spend enough to buy a herd of PRS guitars, look at some older (slightly) "workstations", like Roland JV-1000, or Korg 01W's and the "T-serise" (T1, T2, T3). I've owned Trinity's and have lusted after the new Triton, but actually my venerable Korg T3 is all I need to create serious music and/or chaos, whichever. And, as a bonus, it has a very tractable, realtime looping phrase feature that I use daily. In fact, many times that's exactly where I start...then when things are getting pretty well stirred up there for background 'ambience', I grab a guitar or mandolin or bass or my Prophecy or a mic and start looping and sampling over that. (Sigh) So many fun things to try, so little time. ;-) good hunting, hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:00:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30721; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:24:29 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"iRlEA2.0.wq4.lCzdu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:09 AM -0800 2/7/00, Rich wrote: >I agree, this box was very cool, and although it seems to be targeted at >producers and engineers (so they can put a voice to someone with a butt >like Jennifer Lopez and voila!) and remixers (what a surprise, another toy >for remixers)... this box could be an awesome creative tool. > >kim, did you notice if there were any looping features built into the box? >I couldn't tell. All of the demonstrators were all showing the exact same >features, and using the same samples. Cue card anyone? I didn't bother to ask. I guess because every time I've ever asked that question of roland the answer was "no". :-) My guess is, if what you want is the capability to record a sample and have it immediately loop, probably it doesn't. I'm sure it has a sampler type loop mode, where the sample continues to loop as long as it is held. It does have some nice features, a sort of realtime "recycle-in-a-box" along with nice time stretch and pitch change capabilities. It was hard to tell how good those functions really were in the demo setting, because the tended to use "favorable" samples where you wouldn't be able to tell artifacts very easily. One point about the VP-9000 is that Roland has made an attempt here to move away from the traditional concept of a sampler. Traditional samplers have really become sample-library-playback-machines. Hardly anybody uses them to actually sample anything. As such they have developed to be very powerful for playback of sample libraries and very weak for recording and creating the samples in the first place. What one of the demo guys noted is that Roland intentionally went the other way with this box - they wanted it to be a powerful tool for working with samples you generate on the box. (basically the same philosophy as people designing loopers have taken.) It seems pretty nice for that purpose, with some interesting functions, but whether it's worth $3200 is up to you.:-) One of the demo guys showed how you could abuse the features to get some strange sounds out of it, some of you would probably like it for that. Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:48:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16195; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d301bf7219$21ae8ea0$fe0002c0@intercom.es.intercom.es> From: "samuel" To: Subject: AVSOUND Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:44:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"_ENS71.0.xq2.2K-du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hiiiiiii thereee! have you loopers tried the AVSOUND aopplication? it's great to produce B I G D E N S E P A D S with wide range of frequencies!!! it's a command prompt MSDOS program which accepts an input wav file and a few parameters and creates totally different wave data! if you have a lack of some band freqs in a piece of music, you can get a wave, equalize it to fit this band, and pass it through AVSOUND. You get a looped pad sound you can add envelopes which fits in this band freq and makes your stuff more balanced! if you have a PC: try it! [don't know where you can get it, but surely it's on the web! just search AVSOUND] Sam #ICQ 38770781 Email: samu@findermac.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 04:45:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13076; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 04:45:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:37:36 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM In-reply-to: <01e901bf71d2$daf6ee30$ac4badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MShMT.0.6o2.0H-du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >prices. don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. Everyone knows about opcode. But how about Lexicon? No booth at all. According to ex-Lex people, they've laid off all product design engineers and haven't been doing anything new in most of the last year. In short, they've been "Harmanized." That's a sad story.... And Kawai? Cool additive synths? nope, they don't do pro products no more. no sign of Quasimidi. Hopefull they just decided to stay in Germany this year.... Roctron, saved from oblivion by GHS. (the guitar string company.) who knows what their future is. Hopefully they can get it going again cause I always liked those guys. ART, also saved from oblivion by Yorkville. (or is it Yorktown? whatever.) E-mu and Ensoniq's step-brotherhood under the Creative parent is hanging in there somehow. New E-mu sampler's and sound modules were there. Nothing revolutionary, seemed aimed for lower cost markets. Actually, seems to be all e-mu, not much ensoniq... and the booth is smaller every year but at least there's new stuff in it. Akai, lost in the guitar hall with their exciting updated MPC2000! not much else there except the Jackson girls. Digitech was showing exactly 3 products total. One was the original whammy reissued. Then there was the RP-2000 multieffect pedal and the vocalist thing they've had for a while. The Johnson division's amp simulator thing was a plastic chassis in a sealed case. Continued yoy booth shrinkage there.... More Harmanization? Zoom was about the same as digitech. Crammed in the corner of some distributor's booth, no new products. Crown was apparently bought by Harman, who seems more insatiable than Gibson. Mackie merged with EAW. Ibanez and Tama are apparently both part of Hoshino now. I don't know how long that's been true, but it's the first time I ever saw them stuffed together in one booth. any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! Jomox and Electrix have moved their cool little analog synths and filter effects out of the K-hall to the big time upstairs, that's good. Novation made it up there too. Electix' stuff is sure fun. The software and dj stuff keeps growing. As does Gemini's outrageousness. And Don Buchla is back with his remarkable Marimba Lumina.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 05:46:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01726; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:46:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:46:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b501bf7220$12afe320$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:34:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QP30r3.0.UT7.Q5_du"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first batch. = We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, will not = satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second instalment. 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------=_NextPart_000_01B2_01BF7220.08D41560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 07:18:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32568; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:18:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:18:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A00773.996C6567@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:09:24 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Trace Elliot Ltd Subject: Re: References: <01b501bf7220$12afe320$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C" Resent-Message-ID: <"o_lyE3.0.fd7.FX0eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats about europe, do we have a "contingent"? Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: > I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first > batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, > will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second > instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive > testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace > Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 --------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whats about europe, do we have a "contingent"?
 

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I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace Elliot Contact Information
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Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd
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United Kingdom
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--------------03CE6C37B5DD60E223359D1C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 08:35:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32071; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3e.e7b5fa.25d0ef41@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:34:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice Resent-Message-ID: <"rm8Fq1.0.7T7.Jg1eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you want a great synth and don't want to spend enough to buy a herd of PRS >guitars, look at some older (slightly) "workstations", like Roland JV-1000, >or Korg 01W's and the "T-serise" (T1, T2, T3). I've owned Trinity's and have >lusted after the new Triton, but actually my venerable Korg T3 is all I need >to create serious music and/or chaos, whichever. And, as a bonus, it has a >very tractable, realtime looping phrase feature that I use daily. In fact, >many times that's exactly where I start...then when things are getting pretty >well stirred up there for background 'ambience', I grab a guitar or mandolin >or bass or my Prophecy or a mic and start looping and sampling over that. >(Sigh) So many fun things to try, so little time. ;-) > >good hunting, > hawkeye Or, as was mentioned on the list recently, you might get a Radio Shack "experimenter's lab"-type setup and figure out how to make your own original synth. Or go to Paia.com for kits.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 09:44:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29415; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Michael_Taylor@entemp.ie X-Lotus-FromDomain: ENTEMP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8025687F.0050412A.00@Central_Mail1> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:27:20 +0000 Subject: Laptop audio help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"6BSWv.0.hU6.se2eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there I need some assistance. I want to get together some people's knowledge about using Laptops for audio. Do the pro's outdo the cons? Is having a portable editor sacrificing a noise & glitch free output? I have a spec in mind: 10 GB HD (SCSI, if that's possible on a Latop) (8ms or less access, 10,000rpm, A/V compliant) Gadgetlabs Wave 8/24 128 SDram 8 MB Graphics. Cool Edit Pro Yamaha CDRW Also is there anyone out there from a company in England that can quote me a price? I'm from Dublin and there is no Audio PC bundle manufacturers to be seen on this isle. Any detailed help can access me off-list at: Michael_Taylor@entemp.ie Thanks Michael Taylor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 11:28:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17166; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:28:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000208081558.00882310@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:15:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000207080911.00882510@pop3.argotech.net> <5b.19a29b4.25cdf6ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RDi3v2.0.6s1.Z84eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. >They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) > >kim I will agree with you totally on this. I've been struggling with drum machines for the last four years or so, thinking "gee, i wish i could just play that tom roll or snare hit on with my hands, like a djembe, or something." It seems Roland had the same idea! Another awesome tool with lots of potential in the right hands. However $1200 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a hand drum! cheers, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 11:31:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18763; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:21:40 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, info@trace-elliot.com Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Resent-Message-ID: <"yDfGj2.0.7F2.OD4eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie product (cosmetics)? Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? Will the memory be maxed? Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly they're going so we can jump on 'em first? It's great to hear that we're getting closer! Best regards, -Miko Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: > I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first > batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, unfortunately, > will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second > instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so extensive > testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace > Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 12:23:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07269; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:23:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bf7258$a54f7640$287779a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:19:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJ0C03.0.rH1.oz4eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw with my own eyes 4 new edp at the NAMM show- exactly the same as the old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; info@trace-elliot.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP return to production... >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? > >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? > >Will the memory be maxed? > >Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be >honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're >shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly >they're going so we can jump on 'em first? > >It's great to hear that we're getting closer! > >Best regards, >-Miko > >Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: >> I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first >> batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, >unfortunately, >> will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second >> instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so >extensive >> testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace >> Elliot Contact Information >> ************************************* >> Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd >> Blackwater Trading Estate >> The Causeway >> Maldon >> Essex >> United Kingdom >> CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 >> Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 13:55:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16354; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:55:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:55:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:31:28 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, bienappraisers@mindspring.com Subject: Re: EDP return to production... Resent-Message-ID: <"nB9oV1.0.uJ2.M66eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Argh... Gibson logos? I guess that's what decals are for... -m >>> "Clifford@BienAppraisers" 02/08 9:20 AM >>> I saw with my own eyes 4 new edp at the NAMM show- exactly the same as the old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; info@trace-elliot.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP return to production... >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? > >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? > >Will the memory be maxed? > >Finally: Is the David Kirkdorfer (sp?) buyer list going to be >honored? Or are these units all bound for retail outlets? If they're >shipping straight to retail outlets, will we be informed where exactly >they're going so we can jump on 'em first? > >It's great to hear that we're getting closer! > >Best regards, >-Miko > >Trace Elliot Ltd schrieb: >> I will post shipping dates as soon as we have finished the first >> batch. We will be sending approx. 150 to the US which, >unfortunately, >> will not satisfy the demand; many will have to wait for the second >> instalment. We don't want to rush this splendid product so >extensive >> testing is being done before we ship.Andy Ewen,R&D Manager. Trace >> Elliot Contact Information >> ************************************* >> Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd >> Blackwater Trading Estate >> The Causeway >> Maldon >> Essex >> United Kingdom >> CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 >> Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 13:32:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09207; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:32:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:32:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:28:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: VP-9000 VariPhrase Processor Resent-Message-ID: <"wRCqM3.0.nW1.Sz5eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Personally, I thought their new hand drum controller was more interesting. >>They also had the new VG-88 on display, it crashed while I was using it. :-) >> >>kim > I noticed the sensing on this is "descended" from the VDrums, but what about the drum voices thenselves? Another rompler, or modeled drum voice? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 14:18:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29501; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:38:37 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP return to production... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nG9Sk3.0.ID5.sY6eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:21 AM -0800 2/8/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Is the Trace EDP going to have a new faceplate with new colors, knobs >etc? Or are they actually gonna make ***exactly*** the same Obie >product (cosmetics)? It's the same, although there may be a logo change. Maybe we should try to convince them to paint it green. ;-) >Will they ship with the new s/w? Kim??? I think I answered that one before. It's the same soft it's been shipping with, LoopIIIv5.0, which is rock solid and bug-free. (unless you're claude ;-) Aurisis software work has no relation to Gibson production schedules, so any future software versions will come out when we're done with them. (which is a good thing, software development is always late. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 14:42:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09980; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:42:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP return to production... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:31:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"k7vG01.0.yo7.Ku6eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >old ones but now both footpedal and face plate are sporting the >big Gibson logo- I was tempted to grab the four of them and >run- but my sensibilities got the best of me- You've really got to work on that.... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 15:40:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09086; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:40:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bf7272$2b0c7c60$a54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:21:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"jMugE1.0.Oz6.ke7eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >>Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >>get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >>in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >>which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >>more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >>prices. > >don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year >seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, >barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. > >any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. > >But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! The Alesis looks very good! I've got my eye on it. The new Korg MS2000 is another new box with great potential too. We've been discussing these goodies, and others, on Analogue Heaven. Wahooo! - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 16:18:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27327; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:55:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <"y8lVa1.0.mP3.4B8eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LET US HEAR MORE OF THE MS2000 PLEASE! regards c Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > >At 5:21 PM -0800 2/7/00, L Tremblay wrote: >>Most all-in-one swiss-army boxes really suck unless you >>get something at the very high-end. So your choice depends >>in part on your budget. And remember: NAMM just finished, >>which means there are now even more choices, and conversely, >>more opportunities to buy last years model at blow-out >>prices. > >don't count on too many more choices. Some of the themes for this year >seemed to be missing-in-action, mergers-and-acquisitions, >barely-saved-from-oblivion, and on-the-deathbed. > >any others? I'm sure I missed plenty of goodies. > >But get this, Alesis has a real 16 voice analog synth! The Alesis looks very good! I've got my eye on it. The new Korg MS2000 is another new box with great potential too. We've been discussing these goodies, and others, on Analogue Heaven. Wahooo! - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 16:14:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25871; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:14:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:14:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A08390.AA8A3ED8@pop.agri.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:58:56 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Seeking drummachine advice References: <004401bf7272$2b0c7c60$a54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id QAA16166 Resent-Message-ID: <"KLYej3.0.lz3.vF8eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello i'm looking for a good drummachine. roland r-8 or boss dr660 are two machines, i could use with the jamman (... or later an edp ;-) ). is anyone familiar with one of them? thanks, jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 17:21:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26486; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:21:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE47@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: everybody wants one- indi loopers with CD's take note Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:07:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"AV8LV3.0._p4.DF9eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, ah, just to let you know that the 'Official Denis Taaffe Merchandise' has arrived, shirts, mugs,etc.. you can get them on-0nline at: http://gear.amp3.com/aliengtr . Very cool, the shirts have the 'Abducted by Aliens' cd cover graphic,etc....Impresse the babes with a luxurious 'Abducted by Aliens' coffe mug..etc....bla bla...sales pitch.... **************************************************************************** ********************************************* . Actually, this is a free service and I thought other indy musicians would want to do the same and set up their own.It's good exposure, it's free and the shirts are pretty neat and they put your CD cover on them.CHECK IT OUT!!! you can sign up at http://gear.amp3.com Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:04:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12062; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:04:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.82] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:48:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"YLDm.0.Mc1.Dr9eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers: Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount for LD members on the long awaited EDP. Echoplex: $640 Footpedal: $100. (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make this offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like Looper's Delight. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:30:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21805; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:30:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:30:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.87] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:21:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"U1kyO3.0.dR4.oJAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quick corrections: 1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not you plan to purchase. 2) List price is $1150. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg S To: Loopers Delight Cc: ALTO MUSIC Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Loopers: > > Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount > for LD members on the long awaited EDP. > > Echoplex: $640 > Footpedal: $100. > (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) > > According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto in > 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly > not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. > > If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto (alto@warwick.com) > or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of > EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you > were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. > > Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone > number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still > generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make this > offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like > Looper's Delight. > > -Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 18:59:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32098; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:59:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:59:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01bf728e$0867b500$a973fea9@desktop> From: "Judson Crane" To: References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:41:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"quvrl2.0.1D7.plAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The email link doesn't seem to be working. It just returns my email immediately. I guess I will call. Jud ----- Original Message ----- From: G716 - Greg S. To: Cc: ALTO MUSIC Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Quick corrections: > 1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you > were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not > you plan to purchase. > > 2) List price is $1150. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg S > To: Loopers Delight > Cc: ALTO MUSIC > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:48 PM > Subject: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > > > > Loopers: > > > > Jon from Alto just called me to let me know they'll be offering a discount > > for LD members on the long awaited EDP. > > > > Echoplex: $640 > > Footpedal: $100. > > (The EDP list will be something like $1100 I'm told ) > > > > According to Alto's Gibson rep, Gibson will be shipping 40 EDP's to Alto > in > > 3 to 4 weeks. Please note, this is Gibson's word, not Jon's and certainly > > not mine. Jon will keep us updated with news as he gets it. > > > > If you want to get on the waiting list email Jon at Alto > (alto@warwick.com) > > or call him at 914 692 6922. Jon said he does NOT still have the list of > > EDP buyers-in-waiting who missed one of the units from last year. If you > > were on that list, please contact Jon if you're still interested. > > > > Note: this was an unsolicited offer from Alto. Jon still had my phone > > number from the DL4 buy I helped coordinate last Dec (which is still > > generating sales according to Jon). He called out of the blue to make > this > > offer. Its rather nice to see a store like Alto supporting groups like > > Looper's Delight. > > > > -Greg > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 19:06:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04131; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:06:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:06:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:03:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Resent-Message-ID: <"vPOk82.0.wr7.ltAeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Quick corrections: >1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you >were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not >you plan to purchase. > >2) List price is $1150. > This is in no way intended to be part of the "bash EDP/ Snufflelufu..etc" banter, but what happened to the projected lower price? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Feb 8 20:03:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09052; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:58:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"TQZaX1.0.M5.GhBeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bash! Bash! I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous price. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Landman [mailto:landman@wco.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. >Quick corrections: >1) Jon DOES still have the list of last year's buyers-in-waiting. If you >were on it, you should still follow up with Jon to confirm whether or not >you plan to purchase. > >2) List price is $1150. > This is in no way intended to be part of the "bash EDP/ Snufflelufu..etc" banter, but what happened to the projected lower price? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:14:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01815; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:14:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf72b8$e58aefe0$7df993cd@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:48:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mKQT23.0.pU5.n6Feu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Playlist for EMUSIC EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #150 February 3, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on American synthesist Michael = Garrison. Tonight's experimental music. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was = Aurora Dawn on the Windspell label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 11:04 pm Jean Michel Jarre Fourth Rendezvous Rendezvous (Dreyfus) Pyramid Peak Ocean Drive Ocena Drive (Invisible = Shadows) Lightwave (fr NAV 2/00) Cantus Umbrarum Cantus Umbrarum = (Horizon Music) Tony Stoufer A Mood Apart One Fell Swoop = (Absolute Obscurity) Kevin Keller Invisible Rituals Pendulum (Lektronic = Soundscapes) Dave Fulton Particle Reversal * Hard Particles (Eurock) 12:00 am Michael Garrison Threshold Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison The Solar Sea Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Magnetic Wind Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Visage Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Mist Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Fade the Night Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Michael Garrison Aurora Dawn (Pts 1-5) Aurora Dawn (Windspell = Music) Spectral Voices Sun Shower Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices Merge Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices Outback Shaman Fry Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Spectral Voices As Were the Ancients Coalescence (Spectral = Spiral) Synthetic Block Plangent Bleating * Synthetic Block = (Mindspore) 1:00 am * =3D exerpt VA =3D Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on American = synthesist Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Eclipse on the = Windspell label. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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EMUSIC, an=20 electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday
at = 11:04 pm on=20 WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in
Easton, PA = and=20 Phillipsburg, NJ.
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;=20 Show #150        February 3,=20 2000.
 
On = this show, I=20 began a month-long focus on American synthesist Michael = Garrison.
Tonight's=20 experimental music.  Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Aurora = Dawn on=20 the
Windspell label.
 

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Jean Michel=20 Jarre       Fourth=20 Rendezvous        Rendezvous=20 (Dreyfus)
Pyramid=20 Peak            = Ocean=20 Drive           &n= bsp; =20 Ocena Drive (Invisible Shadows)
Lightwave (fr NAV 2/00) Cantus=20 Umbrarum          Cantus = Umbrarum=20 (Horizon Music)
Tony=20 Stoufer           = A Mood=20 Apart           &n= bsp;=20 One Fell Swoop (Absolute Obscurity)
Kevin=20 Keller            = Invisible Rituals        Pendulum = (Lektronic=20 Soundscapes)
Dave=20 Fulton           &= nbsp;=20 Particle Reversal *      Hard Particles=20 (Eurock)
 
12:00=20 am
Michael Garrison       =20 Threshold          &nbs= p;    =20 Aurora Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        The Solar=20 Sea            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Magnetic=20 Wind            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Aurora=20 Visage            = Aurora=20 Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Aurora=20 Mist           &nb= sp; =20 Aurora Dawn (Windspell Music)
Michael=20 Garrison        Fade the=20 Night           Aurora = Dawn=20 (Windspell Music)
Michael = Garrison       =20 Aurora Dawn (Pts 1-5)    Aurora Dawn (Windspell=20 Music)
Spectral = Voices         Sun=20 Shower           &= nbsp;  =20 Coalescence (Spectral Spiral)
Spectral=20 Voices        =20 Merge           &n= bsp;       =20 Coalescence (Spectral Spiral)
Spectral=20 Voices         Outback Shaman=20 Fry       Coalescence (Spectral=20 Spiral)
Spectral = Voices         As=20 Were the Ancients     Coalescence (Spectral=20 Spiral)
Synthetic = Block        =20 Plangent Bleating *      Synthetic Block=20 (Mindspore)
 
1:00=20 am
 
 * =3D=20 exerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
 
On the next = EMUSIC, I'll=20 continue the month-long focus on American synthesist
Michael = Garrison. =20 The feature CD at Midnight will be Eclipse on the=20 Windspell
label.
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF728E.FCB4E7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:16:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02823; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:52:00 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SmyGT1.0.Gu5.QAFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy. I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than performing. So I am frustrated. Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an entire reperetoire. Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like this? Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? carry on, eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:16:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02850; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000209045550.26432.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Found Sound Chain-Letter CD now available! Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:55:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"eQ_C-3.0.c-5.sDFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone! We just finished making a CD completely of Found Sounds (previously existing media and recordings, sometimes including our own older recordings. The following artists, mostly from Loopers Delight, are included on this CD: Tim Nelson David Cooper Orton Josh Pyorre Raul Bonell Tomas Echovirus (aka Rob Switzer) Michael Klobuchar Superfluid (aka Morgan Hamilton Lang) Dennis Leas and myself (Matt Davignon) Come! Hear us all bark at the challenge of using no real instruments for an entire disc! You can download the entire (or just some - your choice) contents of the CD at http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/foundsound.html or just get there the easy way by going to www.loopxchange.com You can also order the disc for the unheard-of low price of $5 per disc. (It's a full length disc if you were wondering). Contact me via e-mail if you want one. Matt Davignon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 00:42:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19893; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:42:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:42:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:30:21 -0800 Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZMzu01.0.072.whFeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, in MAX that would be possible, I've heard something like that already; a patch where a MIDI loop "morphed" into another loop, sounded pretty amazing, much more interesting than the actual loops sometimes.I don't know about the GUI though, you might have to deal with something a little less flamboyant ("nah man, I only dance on the inside") You could do it with MAX/MSP with actual samples if you worked with a bunch of preselected samples and composed transitions but I figure you are already doing that with a "real" sampler anyway.I imagine anything else would sound like a cross fade no matter how hard you made it for yourself. If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. Cheers Andrew > From: eric > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:52:00 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:16:36 -0500 > > howdy. > I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software > IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, > I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure > of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line > a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are > designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than > performing. So I am frustrated. > > Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: > little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn > between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is > simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral > and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature > sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition > to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an > entire reperetoire. > > Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like > this? > Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? > > carry on, > eric o. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 01:00:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25055; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006901bf72c2$83a0d240$534badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Re: Seeking synthesizer advice...NAMM Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:57:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"tWJNM2.0.Qf5.p3Geu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >LET US HEAR MORE OF THE MS2000 PLEASE! >regards >c Here's the NAMM blurb. Check out the Korg site too. ms2000 & ms2000R - preview Feature Rich - The MS2000 and MS2000R are housed in stylish metal casings with the MS2000 featuring traditional wooden end blocks and a 44-note light weight velocity sensitive keyboard. The MS2000R can be used equally well in a 19-inch rack or as a desktop module. Both units feature the following voice structure : 2 OSCs, 1 Filter, 1 amp, 2 EGs, 2 LFOs. * Effects : Delay, Distortion, Chorus/Flanger. * Arpeggiator. * External Audio In : 2. * 16-band Vocoder!!!! See: http://www.korg.co.jp/products/synthe/MS2000/MS2000.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 02:03:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19815; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:03:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:03:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A10F41.2986F982@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:54:56 -0800 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VJrHr2.0.zK4.7zGeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll > put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. Thanks, Andrew. That sounds intriguing... eo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 04:56:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00591; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:56:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 04:56:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:52:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <38A0F26E.EB861361@inreach.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"kIhkv3.0.Rg1.wiIeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:30 PM -0800 2/8/00, Andrew Pask wrote: >Yeah, in MAX that would be possible, >I've heard something like that already; >a patch where a MIDI loop "morphed" >into another loop, sounded pretty amazing, much more interesting than the >actual loops sometimes.I don't know about the GUI though, you might have to >deal with something a little less flamboyant ("nah man, I only dance on the >inside") >You could do it with MAX/MSP with actual samples if you worked with a bunch >of preselected samples and composed transitions but I figure you are already >doing that with a "real" sampler anyway.I imagine anything else would sound >like a cross fade no matter how hard you made it for yourself. >If I find those MIDI morphing patches, I think I have them somewhere, I'll >put a note up on the list for anyone who wants them. > I remember doing this sort of thing with neural net objects for Max back when I was taking computer music classes. People did lots of cool stuff, morphing between different time signatures, different musical styles, different harmonies, different grooves, etc. All of the most interesting stuff happens somewhere in the middle, of course! Great fun. I remember seeing a performance at CNMAT where David Wessel had a Buchla Thunder for a controller, with different pakistani percussion grooves at each ends of all the touch sensitive sliders. Neural nets were used in a max patch to interpolate all the area in between, so as he slid his fingers along the sliders, the grooves would be morphing between these two points. The sliders are pressure sensitive as well, and he had pressure assigned to density of the groove. So a light touch on the slider was a very sparse groove, and more pressure would add more and more elements to the percussion part, filling it in. So as you can imagine, this was a very expressive, real-time approach to controlling sequences for performance. A great way to control very complex percussion parts too. The performance was very cool. In addition to David was a very famous Pakistani singer whose name I can't remember at the moment, and Matt Wright playing drones with a wacom tablet connected to more max patches controlling an analysis/resynthesis synth running on an Indy. They were doing "traditional" Pakistani/North Indian type music, very complex and emotional, all improvised/performed live. I always think about this whenever I hear people exclaim "Drum and Bass can't be done live!" This was way more complex than most D&B, all with real-time improvisations of sequences and samples. It just takes some imagination applied to how the instruments work. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 05:44:08 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20294; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:44:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003701bf72e7$d5815ce0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:24:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"9gchM1.0.mh3.B2Keu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold = secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the = EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a small price to pay for such an = excellent=20 product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000.
I can assure everyone that we are = making the=20 slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of = manufacturing.
Andy
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BF72E7.D3FF50C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 05:57:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24364; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:57:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008801bf72e9$bc48d760$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: References: Subject: Re: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:37:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"KKn732.0.xd4.yEKeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No these were actual production units. We are using the prototypes as copy guides for manufacturing. More are being made every day, Andy Ewen. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: SnuffleuppaPlex sighted again? > Looks like we'll receive no interruption in the responsive customer service > that characterizes the Echoplex market. > > TH > > > I saw four Echoplexes in the Gibson rep/meeting room. Not hooked up, > > though. I asked a Trace Elliot rep if he knew anything about release date > > and street price. He was very nice, but didn't tell me anything all of you > > haven't already heard for the last two years. I did notice that the serial > > numbers on the back were hand written and had numbers like 01-0001, > > 01-0002, etc... so those must have been the prototypes we've been hearing > > about. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 06:01:49 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27648; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:01:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:01:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004401bf72e8$4580a0a0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:27:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"7_I7o.0.2_3.75Keu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That seems like a feasable time-frame. They are coming thriugh = production as I write this. A bit slow to start but as we get more = familier they will steam through. Andy Trace Elliot, on behalf of Gibson. =20 Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That seems like a feasable time-frame. = They are=20 coming thriugh production as I write this. A bit slow to start but as we = get=20 more familier they will steam through.
Andy
Trace Elliot, on behalf of = Gibson. =20
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF72E8.448C7CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 07:24:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30508; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:24:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:24:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A15A6C.8F6DE0FC@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:15:40 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"omOuw1.0.iS6.-fLeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > 2) List price is $1150. > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't really need a car .. lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 07:35:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02533; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:35:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:35:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.20000209122723.0072e99c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:27:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: leocavallo Subject: Jamman "A" message on startup Resent-Message-ID: <"1ipLe.0.Ol7.qqLeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all anyone knows what does it mean this "A" message on power on? if I press Function + Reset/Bypass it goes away, but... thnx ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 10:34:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20370; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cheap synths Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:26:29 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"xrNeJ3.0.eL4.8TOeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'm primarily a guitarist but have a knack for tracking down cheap synths. I bought a Casio MT-240 10 years ago for $90 because it was riddled with PPG Waveterm samples. It's MIDIable and once you process it through my Lexicon gear you'd never know it was a $90 keyboard I bought at a discount store. We used to do juvenile pranks with these keyboards in the store years ago, ask if you want what we did. Gear score number two: when a keyboardist friend of mine bought a Kurzweil 88 key weighted board and Korg M1R and some Roland synth, he let his Korg Poly 61 rot in his basement. I told him I was learning keys so he let me have his old Poly 61. It's got that eighties sound, a great arpeggiator, and can be used for a bunch of pads and stuff for drones and loops. Again, I process it to death to get relatively modern sounds out of it. I like using the arpeggiator with delays to create hypnotic loops. Gear score number three: I got a Yamaha CS1X synth late last summer for about $400. It was the floor display model and it was in great shape. They tossed in a MIDI interface and I was ready to rock (sort of). This one actually has knobs and pretty decent sounds all by it- self. This one also has a great arpeggiator and a lot of analog and chimey digital bell sounds as well, and samples from the wavestation, PPG and Moog/Prophet sounds. Great for drones, loops and atmospheres. It even has great lead sounds. A good deal. The most I've spent on a synth so far. I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being discontinued and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores. It's a real waveform synth ala PPG and had some hypnotic pads with great animation. I hear it's a bear to program but I don't care if I can get it cheap. I was probably driving the salespeople at a local Mars nuts with my beehive of ooze and drones with goofy solos on the top (faux digital flute?) Hey! One mans Casio is another mans Synclavier. I should mention that the sounds I go for are not the typical bar-band-cover-tune sounds, but giant aluminum locus waves and reverberations. What works for me might make you sick. Now, I have yet to find something that will play great retro sounds, modern eerie sounds, will let you sample and record stuff to discs, make stuff sound like an old record with scratches and also sound like a symphony orchestra string section (with cinemascope sound quality) but I'm sure someday something like that will exist. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 11:49:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27683; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:49:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:49:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:37:25 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5JUCq3.0.pH6.AZPeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 12:48:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23915; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:48:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:37:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"FpUy-3.0.Z-4.-LQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:37 AM -0600 2/9/00, Todd Madson wrote: >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. Not particularly cheaper, either, at $3500. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 13:14:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01920; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:14:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:14:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015101bf7326$e70047d0$b54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"oRhMV2.0.9D6.RbQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The new Alesis Andromeda will list at $3500.00... Street price probably much lower. Maybe $2700-2900. - Larry >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 12:52:50 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25517; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:52:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:52:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:50:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003701bf72e7$d5815ce0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"F8akE3.0.vl5.8VQeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not be made again. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So=20 what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay = $3,000=20 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that = you are=20 going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not = be made=20 again.
 
bIz
-----Original Message-----
From: Trace Elliot Ltd=20 [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, = 2000=20 2:24 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:=20

It's a small price to pay for such an = excellent=20 product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for = $3000.
I can assure everyone that we are = making the=20 slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of = manufacturing.
Andy
 
 
 
Trace Elliot Contact=20 Information
*************************************
Trace Elliot = (UK)=20 Ltd
Blackwater Trading Estate
The = Causeway
Maldon
Essex
United=20 Kingdom
CM9 4GG
 
Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851
Fax: +44 = (0)1621=20 851932
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF72E3.22A11D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 13:31:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07422; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:21:45 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jbiz@linkexchange.com Subject: Re: RE: Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0iVh1.0.aK1.G3Reu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... -m >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to pay $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't mean that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and then they will not be made again. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was sold secondhand via NET auction for $3000. I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on the EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. Andy Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 14:26:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03948; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:26:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:01:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"_cAig2.0.Ue5.PdReu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris Muir said: > At 10:37 AM -0600 2/9/00, Todd Madson wrote: > >Anyone know what the list price of the new Alesis analog synth is? > > > >It looks kind of like a Waldorf Q, but probably much cheaper. > > > >And not as yellow (darn). But still very cool. > > Not particularly cheaper, either, at $3500. The guy told me $3600, and it won't be out until fall. It's true analog though, with a nice feature set and a great sound. It seems to me you'd have to be a real analog fanatic to pick it over the numerous "digitally modeled analog" synths out there, but I don't think you would be unhappy if you did. OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... ___________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-845-6383 Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 14:33:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05785; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:22:04 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, kflint@ati.com Subject: Re: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Resent-Message-ID: <"6QQHK3.0.3h.vxReu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... Talk about salt in the wound! 8-) -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 15:39:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04536; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:39:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:39:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413015D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Silly off-topic but COULD be on topic question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:24:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"nRRks1.0.U9.cqSeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OB loop: Mike Matthews of Electro-Harmonix says a 16 Second Delay reissue is nowhere near completion..... ** suprise, suprise, suprise (on best gomer pyle imitation) stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 16:01:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16852; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:01:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf733f$a3dd81c0$0264a8c0@okeefe.sf.gomotech.com> From: "Jan P" To: Cc: Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:44:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GqKps.0.QR3.nDTeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this must be parallel ideation at work again.. damn them mayans.. i am currently spec-ing a platform for a real-time opensource performance oriented loop tool... looking at maxmsp, beos, and linux... among the features would be the ability to visually arrange the loop fragments as they are entered, and to transition between scenes gradually-- fade this snip in over n bars, for example.. with a performance-oriented user interface... backwards-- the idea extends the basic delay line to a more acid-like concept where you have fragments which together form the piece.. the fragments all loop, are all synced together and with midiclock. fragments could initially be tapped in. one thing id like to work on is having switching between multiple outputs-- so that you could potentially build sections of the piece in your own private headphone mix and then fade them in to a mainmix, or blast them in.. multiple synced musicians working together could coordinate pieces and work on different substructures within the soundspace simultaneously. of course, its just a lofty dream. but manifestation is inevitable when we see the illusion of rhythm. btw if anyone is interested in collaborating, pls let me know. im doing a little work for David Z. of Cycling74 and trying to hook into CNMAT in Berkeley so that the resource pool builds.. The MAXMSP people had this idea awhile ago and toyed with it. in lakech -jan -----Original Message----- From: eric To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? >howdy. >I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software >IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, >I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure >of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line >a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are >designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than >performing. So I am frustrated. > >Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: >little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn >between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is >simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral >and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature >sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition >to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an >entire reperetoire. > >Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like >this? >Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? > >carry on, >eric o. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 16:47:18 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05025; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:30:10 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: price wars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QDZXL2.0.wL7.FkTeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i agree w/ miko. i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the stores..:-) lance g. Mike Biffle wrote: > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > -m > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > pay > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > mean > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > then they > will not be made again. > > bIz > -----Original Message----- > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > sold > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > the > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > Andy > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:04:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14713; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:04:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: some e-mail addresses, again please Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"H9Eb12.0.r73.pAUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm trying to contact the following people. If you read this, please send me e-mail. Paul Pokorski Mike Criscione Gregor Hilbe Tyondai Braxton Florian Antoine Mark Sottilaro Stephen Katz Robert Bulanyi Trent Humphreys David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:25:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26027; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:25:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000209221816.52146.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.129.243.247] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: FW: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:18:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XjWkE.0.oz4.9VUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry for the kind of Off Topic post, but this is a show not to be missed if you are in the Seattle area, and maybe an excuse to visit. Subject: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* ******** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ******** A VERY SPECIAL CONCERT IS ON THE WAY: (right around the corner!) ====================================== NELS CLINE / GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE REVISITED: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE ====================================== APPEARING FEBRUARY 26th at THE RAINBOW *** With Special Guests: PROJECT W *** ====================================== COST: $7 DOS (no advance tickets) TIME: 9:30pm sharp - PROJECT W opens the show) ============================================== FROM: THE RAINBOW, 722 NE 45th St. (in Seattle's U-District) (206) 634-1761 / BOOKING: Pete @ 206-706-9087 ============================================== MEDIA CONTACT: Jim @ 206-322-1783 FOR MORE INFO/ETC ============================================== The Rainbow is pleased to welcome two incredibly talented & versatile musicians to our fine city: Electric guitarist *NELS CLINE* (of GERALDINE FIBBERS, SCARNELLA, BANYAN, MIKE WATT, THURSTON MOORE, and NELS CLINE TRIO fame, among others) *and* drummer *GREGG BENDIAN* (of SIGN OF FOUR - w/PAT METHENY, INTERZONE, TRIO PIANISSIMO, CECIL TAYLOR, DEREK BAILEY, and PETER BROTZMANN fame, etc.) for what promises to be a truly ~SPECIAL~ night of music. Nels & Greg are touring behind their *HIGHLY ACCLAIMED* album "Interstellar Space Revisited: The Music of John Coltrane" (Atavistic Records - http://www.atavistic.com ) * which recently made WIRE (UK) Magazine's TOP TEN JAZZ CD's OF 1999 LIST *and* is praised by none other than RASHIED ALI HIMSELF in a four-page cover-story spread currently found in the February issue of JAZZIZ Magazine! This performance will, like their above-mentioned live CD, find them COVERING John Coltrane & Rashied Ali's CLASSIC duo album "Interstellar Space" (rec. in 1967, just before John's death) in its ENTIRETY. They'll offer up their own rendition, an HOMAGE if you will, of this landmark session. (along with some other choice late-era Coltrane selections!) Nels Cline, who's improvisational imagination is nothing but amazing, has worked with a variety of rock and jazz musicians - including Mike Watt of Firehose/Minutemen fame, as noted above. Bendian has pounded the skins with such legendary jazz artists as Cecil Taylor, arguably the greatest "free" piano player of all time. The two of them use the songs from Coltrane's album as springboards to new - and totally innovative, musical worlds. Whether you choose to call their creations free jazz, space music, avant-garde exploration, experimental improvisation, * or what have you - one thing's for SURE: THIS IS PASSIONATE *SOUL* MUSIC. = For more on Nels Cline, there are a couple of interesting articles linked up via his "unofficial" homepage: http://people.we.mediaone.net/dbeihoff/NCAS/index.html Openers PROJECT W are a fiery trio featuring saxophonist WALLY SHOUP alongside cellist BRENT ARNOLD & drummer GREG CAMPBELL. More on this great band of local improvisers can be found via: http://www.speakeasy.org/wshoup/ They are led by Wally, a longtime Seattle-based and world renowned saxophone adventurer, who has also recorded with Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore, as a matter of fact (as Nels Cline once did). In the fall of 1999, Wally toured with Thurston Moore & the great Philadelphia-based percussionist Toshi Makihara. Their 9/20/99 Boston show was recorded and will be released on the Sublingual Label this Spring. Also out is a limited edition LP recording of PROJECT W's excellent opening performance for SONIC YOUTH at Seattle's Moore Theatre in 1998 - on Shrat Field Recordings. No doubt highly impressed by Wally's wide-open abilities, Thurston sought him out for a collaboration, and more will most probably follow. In the meantime, remember that: ++++ A SHOW LIKE THIS DOESN'T COME AROUND VERY OFTEN!! ++++ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 17:47:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03565; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:47:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:47:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:36:10 EST Subject: Re: FW: NELS CLINE & GREGG BENDIAN - INTERSTELLAR SPACE: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE *[ SEATTLE SHOW ADDED! ]* To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"UqfD72.0.x97.ImUeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will there be a live cd from the Nels Cline shows? Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 20:59:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28529; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <2d.11130fd.25d373ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:51:40 EST Subject: Princeton Loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"mYFDV1.0.vI6.FdXeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Feb 9 21:07:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30301; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:07:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <054f01bf736b$270dbd50$b54badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Cc: Subject: Re: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"JgVCt2.0.M07.WlXeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Save your braincells. I think you're looking for somehing like the DJRND2 by Emmanuel Perille. It might not be everything you want, but what is? There's info on the Looper's Delight site at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/DJRND2/DJRND2.html - Larry >among the features would be the ability to visually arrange the loop >fragments as they are entered, and to transition between scenes gradually-- >fade this snip in over n bars, for example.. with a performance-oriented >user interface... > >backwards-- >the idea extends the basic delay line to a more acid-like concept where you >have fragments which together form the piece.. the fragments all loop, are >all synced together and with midiclock. fragments could initially be tapped >in. > >one thing id like to work on is having switching between multiple outputs-- >so that you could potentially build sections of the piece in your own >private headphone mix and then fade them in to a mainmix, or blast them in.. >multiple synced musicians working together could coordinate pieces and work >on different substructures within the soundspace simultaneously. > > >of course, its just a lofty dream. but manifestation is inevitable when we >see the illusion of rhythm. > > >btw if anyone is interested in collaborating, pls let me know. im doing a >little work for David Z. of Cycling74 and trying to hook into CNMAT in >Berkeley so that the resource pool builds.. The MAXMSP people had this idea >awhile ago and toyed with it. > >in lakech >-jan > >-----Original Message----- >From: eric >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:13 PM >Subject: looper-friendly MIDI sequencer? > > >>howdy. >>I use MOTU's Performer (not DP) - a not-so-aptly-named piece of software >>IMHO. Interested in actually performing with malleable MIDI situations, >>I have found that a simple act such as vamping on a particular measure >>of a sequence and then continuing on to an another vamp on down the line >>a bit is possible (with Perf.) but akward. The memory loop points are >>designed (as is the Polar function in DP) more for creating than >>performing. So I am frustrated. >> >>Here is an example of a software user interface that would turn me on: >>little whirlpools dot the screen - representing loops; lines are drawn >>between many of the spirals - representing transitions. The idea is >>simple: click a spiral and you loop, click a line between that spiral >>and any other and at the next loop end (like a drum machine (a feature >>sorely lacking in Performer)) the music follows a precomposed transition >>to another loop pool. The system could work for a single song or an >>entire reperetoire. >> >>Has anyone seen or heard anything about anything even remotely like >>this? >>Is this doable in MAX? Anyone interested in designing some software? >> >>carry on, >>eric o. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 01:09:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13679; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:09:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:09:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000210060036.15738.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"gm2AT.0.xt2.7Gbeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just for comparison's sake..... Three years ago, the Guitar Center in Atlanta sold me an EDP WITHOUT a foot controller for $800. Because all of the other major mail-order places had them on back order, I went for it. While I was somewhat pained to later learn what some of you guys paid for your EDPs, I can assure you that I've never felt ripped off. I simply paid a premium to acquire a great device that was in short supply. I'm looking forward to a 2nd EDP at the Alto price! John --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Bash! Bash! I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous > price. > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 04:44:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06835; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:44:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015001bf73a8$4b1aa2c0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: References: <20000208224815.40764.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000208232052.82238.qmail@hotmail.com> <38A15A6C.8F6DE0FC@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vlvhv.0.cI.9Eeeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a premium for having all the sun, Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: b.knox To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > > > > 2) List price is $1150. > > > > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say > ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't > really need a car .. lol. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 06:19:55 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17383; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:19:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:19:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A29BD5.A45A2C58@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: new tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8CADi1.0.eP2.Tnfeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, i just put up a new tune, you can get it at, http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html for Real Audio or, http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/3906/ for the mp3. its called Schizosphere. looped of course, jd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 07:47:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22291; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:47:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A2BCDB.2A55819@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:59 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fizmo References: <200002101012.FAA19555@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B7b8W.0.Ys2.Btgeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being discontinued and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 08:27:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07533; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:27:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:27:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:54 EST Subject: Re: fizmo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"6HqE91.0._H1.yiheu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative reviews at sonic state. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 09:40:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05561; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:40:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"0jLu-2.0.pB.Ncieu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey neat, I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't know phone number) For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -- Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 10:57:14 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13271; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:57:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <015001bf73a8$4b1aa2c0$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"O8dqW3.0.jD2.btjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All the sun and legal pros... Oops, sorry, no looping content... | -----Original Message----- | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 1:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. | | | That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a | premium for having | all the sun, | Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28719; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf73e2$601427c0$46e3c09b@pbncomputer> From: "David Young" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"WouOf2.0.2R4.pFkeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: Taaffe, Denis G To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > -- > > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > <> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:28:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28714; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <43.c9e6cb.25d43df3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:14:43 EST Subject: (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"XmFA31.0.AT4.UGkeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i got mine and nothing seems the same.........well worth checking out, and the price is right.........michael mattdavignon@hotmail.com wrote: <> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 11:53:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08077; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:53:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:53:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: fizmo Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38A2BCDB.2A55819@vete.ucl.ac.be> Resent-Message-ID: <"bOwpi1.0.5E2.ctjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, where? I want one too. | -----Original Message----- | From: Olivier Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:28 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: fizmo | | | "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I | was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being | discontinued | and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." | | What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 12:15:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14821; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: fizmo Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"0_DNZ2.0.dE2.ftjeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Negative reviews schmooze-a-hoola. There's always somebody who is pissed when the rain stops. If you dig it that should be enough. | -----Original Message----- | From: Echophazer@aol.com [mailto:Echophazer@aol.com] | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:21 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: fizmo | | | I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative | reviews at sonic | state. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 12:54:38 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04542; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:54:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130168@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:27:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"HEu4t2.0.Tu5.BLleu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 september 2000 8:00 p.m. $?.?? (sorry) soho 1221 state st. santa barbara, ca, usa 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 BONE STRUCTURE g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage gregg bendian - drums, steuart liebig - bass, loopage jeff gauthier - violins, loopage MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO michael vlatkovitch - trombone, chris garcia - drums, bruce fowler - trombone Inner Ear Series CONJUCTIVE POINTS 3631 Hayden Avenue (between National and Higuera Streets) Culver City, CA, usa Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot 20 september 2000 Concerts begin at 8:00 PM $10.00 at the door CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 13:55:53 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00657; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:55:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington AND Tampa Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE90@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"Aivbw.0.Na1.epleu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we are doing this, I am playing Borders in Tampa, FL this Friday with my duo as well. I have also played a lot of Borders up the Eastern US- always has been a good place to play, and we seem to do well with CD sales too. We have played the one in Princeton (near my hometown in NJ) and it was a blast. And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit will be available soon): http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB) Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 14:21:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13666; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:21:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DE97@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:43:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"P3JV62.0.J46.SSmeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey that is quite a few gigs being announced on this list. It would be cool to have a portion of these gigs taped and made available as mp3's no? Maybe just a 2-3 minutes snip.Just a thought. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 september 2000 8:00 p.m. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 14:51:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24379; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130171@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:17:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"OLxYc3.0.uG2.zxmeu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com okay, i plead idiocy . . . i copied the thing and didn't check the thing too carefully . . . FEBRUARY not september. (i don't really expect people to be markign their calanders that far into the future.) geez, what a dork! sorry . . . stig make all of that: two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: stinson/liebig/bendian trio g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage gregg bendian: drums/percussion one set 13 february 2000 8:00 p.m. $?.?? (sorry) soho 1221 state st. santa barbara, ca, usa 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 BONE STRUCTURE g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage gregg bendian - drums, steuart liebig - bass, loopage jeff gauthier - violins, loopage MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO michael vlatkovitch - trombone, chris garcia - drums, bruce fowler - trombone Inner Ear Series CONJUCTIVE POINTS 3631 Hayden Avenue (between National and Higuera Streets) Culver City, CA, usa Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot 20 february 2000 Concerts begin at 8:00 PM $10.00 at the door CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Feb 10 22:49:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04508; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <49.11600ac.25d4d4d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:58:30 EST Subject: Looping on radio To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: <"fsWHx2.0.mT3.Miteu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio College. For 30 minutes? James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 00:49:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30514; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:49:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: radio show tonight In-Reply-To: <49.11600ac.25d4d4d6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"68Lbf1.0._L5.qzveu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heya folks . loopi stuff going on on plutonian nights tonight . press release / shoutcast info etc available at: http://sine.ranch.org/pluto show starts at 1am (PST) and goes until dawn cheers =) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 05:44:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16595; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:44:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38A3E42C.9182C754@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:27:56 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight CC: Drummer List Subject: OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and buddha having lunch ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9TXiJ2.0.OR3.sO-eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com funny little article for those of you into these guys ... http://www.furious.com/perfect/mingusplay.html sorry 4 the disturbance ... rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 06:26:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03188; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:26:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" To: , References: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:03:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uXTtp2.0.GO6.hq-eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. Trace Elliot Contact Information ************************************* Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd Blackwater Trading Estate The Causeway Maldon Essex United Kingdom CM9 4GG Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 ----- Original Message ----- From: lance glover To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Re: price wars > i agree w/ miko. > > i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range > that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait > for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the > stores..:-) > > lance g. > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > > > -m > > > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > > pay > > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > > mean > > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > > then they > > will not be made again. > > > > bIz > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: > > > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > > sold > > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > > the > > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > > Andy > > > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > ************************************* > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > The Causeway > > Maldon > > Essex > > United Kingdom > > CM9 4GG > > > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 07:06:56 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16831; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:06:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000211120149.22692.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: price wars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"uJcFF2.0.q_3.me_eu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since you guys are listening, can you tell us how much memory will come installed on the EDP? The "Full Monty" I hope! John PS- Will you offer discounts to anyone who can recite dialogue from "The Young Ones" or "Fawlty Towers"? --- Trace Elliot Ltd wrote: > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has > just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 07:48:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02608; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <28.1af5921.25d55d54@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:40:52 EST Subject: Re: price wars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"ttJ4E3.0.517.TD0fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard 50 seconds From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 10:41:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02545; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:41:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38A3DC61.E5D21065@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:41 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion, southern california style References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130168@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RIfj43.0.OQ7.Jf2fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey stig are you on the ge stinson almbum "vapor"? this just got a great review in the wire! have a great gig - when are you guys coming to europe? l8ter, rob Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 september 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 10:55:58 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08281; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Z5IDe3.0.ah.pt2fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's not funny even as a joke. | -----Original Message----- | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] | Sent: Friday 11 February 2000 3:04 AM | To: baumhaus@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: price wars | | | All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 11:25:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17799; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:25:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:25:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looping on radio Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"smGHm1.0.J12.C43fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy, I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? Thanks Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping on radio Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio College. For 30 minutes? James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 11:32:22 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19756; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:32:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:32:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEBA@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , baumhaus@earthlink.net Subject: RE: price wars Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:59:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"WSHkf1.0.xP2.193fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Now that really is how the music biz works....haha Denis - Subject: Re: price wars All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. Trace Elliot Contact Information * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 12:32:04 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09730; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: plutonian nights apologies to shoutcast users In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9mp2Z2.0.5v1.tN4fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heya all seems that some of you out-of-FM-range folks had problems connecting with the zilTV shoutcast rebroadcast last night . apologies for that. we'll get it resolved for next weeks show . too bad though, you missed me disolving into a sleepdep void 4 hours into my set . you also missed me pounding rhythms out on my gut by request from a caller . interesting night all-round . thanks go to ghoulash for bailing me out with the broad use of lude northern humour and instant coffee =P cheers rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 13:27:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01339; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000211132045.008a1da0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: GFX8 In-Reply-To: <02ce01bf747f$b073a220$5500a8c0@traceelliot.com> References: <38A1DC0B.D9A4240B@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8AQbU3.0.mZ7.2A5fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any one use the Zoom GFX 8 forlooping?? what's the call on that unit?? thanx, andre' LOOPING next friday in NYC..at theKNit (see below)!! NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 13:39:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05121; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looping on radio Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DEB8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ6--1.0.ek.8M5fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tonight, the duo I am in will be playing at Borders as well. Plenty of looping, and we always record the shows to MiniDisc so we can post clips of the stuff we like. Alos, for those who play at Borders now and then- we always ask play in the back of the store in the 'art book' section- there are usually the biggest couches and chairs there, and it is far away from the noise of the cafe. The clip I mentioned yesterday (copied below) was recorded at Borders last month. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave ****(And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit will be available soon): http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB)***** > Howdy, > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > Thanks > Denis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 15:36:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23150; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:56:03 EST Subject: Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"o2Lb23.0.Jl1.sb6fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey STig! I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... I think I need to do one or two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be somewhere I'm not. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? eric p From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:10:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03975; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:10:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.15f0b4e.25d5d172@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:18 EST Subject: SSSorry! That was for STIG only! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"_IjA63.0.n_7.LU7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry Folks, that was for Stig, not everybody! eric p From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:08:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03829; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413018C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:59:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"G9VvA.0.zC.gX7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... ** wowee. well sometime there will be a chance. dance thing sounds fun. I think I need to do one or two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be somewhere I'm not. ** naw, do it all . . . and more. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! ** who was in that? I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. ** great. i should really say hi to him at some point soon. How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? ** going end of march. s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 16:17:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08610; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413018E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:09:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"TIkbc1.0.l_.Zh7fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry . . . thought this was private (color me a dope!) s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 17:24:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16982; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:24:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:24:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fizmo and such Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:05:14 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"nzQ0Q.0.Yk1.tU8fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The local guitar center/mars stores were blowing them out for around $400, I heard at least one report of a floor demo model selling for $200. This is the american midwest (Minnesota). The Musicians' Friend catalog had it for $400 as well. Used? I don't know. I don't care if it had bad reviews, I was making some of the coolest hallucinogenic textures ever, right in the store and I wasn't even trying. They probably thought I was sick. Live electric guitar and loops in a borders? There is hope for me yet. I wanna do that. I gotta do some gigs or I'll just sit in my basement forever. Speaking of which, Rev 1 of "Loop 45", my 45 minute loop suite is pretty much done, but I have another long form piece I could make it morph into making it LOOP80. That would be a good thing, 80 minutes of looped insanity. Don't get me started! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 18:20:27 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07321; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:20:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:20:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WHOA!?!?!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:43:36 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <"MBO5t3.0.WV.5U9fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Modern Dance Chicks?!?!?!? Wow! Do they loop? Just kidding. Going on a sojourn to Texas real soon now, San Antonio and then Port Aransas - any looping to speak of? -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Feb 11 19:01:25 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21657; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A4A34E.6A52FD52@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:03:35 -0800 From: Mark Boccaccio Reply-To: boccaccio@mindspring.com Organization: Nightrain Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #37 References: <200002112151.QAA31461@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6klhh2.0.Bv4.Y6Afu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com wrote: > Subject: > > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 37 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Alto Music offering EDP discount [ "Trace Elliot Ltd" new tune [ Jeff Duke ] > Re: fizmo [ Olivier Malhomme Re: fizmo [ Echophazer@aol.com ] > RE: Princeton Loops-so does Blooming [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: Alto Music offering EDP discount [ "Javier Miranda V." unsubscribe [ "David Young" (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" [ Nemoguitt@aol.com ] > RE: fizmo [ "Javier Miranda V." RE: fizmo [ "Javier Miranda V." shameless self-promotion, southern c [ "Liebig, Steuart A." RE: Princeton Loops-so does Blooming [ "future perfect" ] > RE: shameless self-promotion, southe [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: shameless self-promotion, southe [ "Liebig, Steuart A." Looping on radio [ Jhsidlo@aol.com ] > radio show tonight [ Haitch Cee ] > OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and b [ Cummings Re: price wars [ "Trace Elliot Ltd" Re: price wars [ John Tidwell ] > Re: price wars [ Madoud@aol.com ] > Re: shameless self-promotion, southe [ Cummings RE: price wars [ "Javier Miranda V." RE: Looping on radio [ "Taaffe, Denis G" RE: price wars [ "Taaffe, Denis G" plutonian nights apologies to shoutc [ Haitch Cee ] > Re: GFX8 [ andre ] > RE: Looping on radio [ "future perfect" ] > Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, so [ Echopark99@aol.com ] > SSSorry! That was for STIG only! [ Echopark99@aol.com ] > RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, so [ "Liebig, Steuart A." > Administrivia: > Looper's Delight > **************** > > Please send posts to: > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Don't send them to the digest! > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com > > To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email > with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no > signature files, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > > Your humble list maintainer, > > Kim Flint > kflint@annihilist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:00 -0000 > From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" > To: > > That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a premium for having > all the sun, > Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot. > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: b.knox > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > > > "G716 - Greg S." wrote: > > > > > > > > > 2) List price is $1150. > > > > > > > ouch ... that should translate into AUS$2500 - $3000 ... again i say > > ouch. ummmm... will they be shipping to Australia? :) i guess i don't > > really need a car .. lol. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: new tune > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0500 > From: Jeff Duke > To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > > Hi folks, i just put up a new tune, you can get it > at, > http://members.xoom.com/echo17/tbl.html for Real > Audio or, > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/3906/ > for the mp3. > its called Schizosphere. > looped of course, > jd > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:27:59 +0000 > From: Olivier Malhomme > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I > was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being > discontinued > and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." > > What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:20:54 EST > From: Echophazer@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative reviews at sonic > state. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:21:11 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Hey neat, > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > know phone number) > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -- > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > <> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:39 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > All the sun and legal pros... Oops, sorry, no looping content... > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 1:22 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: Alto Music offering EDP discounts to LD members. > | > | > | That actually translates into AUS$5000. You have to pay a > | premium for having > | all the sun, > | Andy, in the rain, at Trace Elliot... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: unsubscribe > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:58 -0000 > From: "David Young" > To: > > unsubscribe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Taaffe, Denis G > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:21 PM > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington > > > Hey neat, > > > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > > know phone number) > > > > For those flying in, hotel reservations has been prepared.....haha...not > > > > Thanks > > Denis > > > > Denis Taaffe > > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > > http://www.dtguitar.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fri. Feb. 11th. 7:30-9:30pm. (w/ J.Janetta-perc.) "Borders Books/ Music", > > Princeton, N.J. (609) 514-0040. > > <> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: (CT) PROJECT ............. "FOUND" > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:14:43 EST > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > i got mine and nothing seems the same.........well worth checking out, and > the price is right.........michael > > mattdavignon@hotmail.com wrote: > > < at > http://www.music.columbia.edu/~cecenter/mhl21/ct/foundsound.html > > or just get there the easy way by going to > > www.loopxchange.com > > You can also order the disc for the unheard-of low price of $5 per disc. > (It's a full length disc if you were wondering). Contact me via e-mail if > you want one.>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:41 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > Yeah, where? I want one too. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Olivier Malhomme [mailto:malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:28 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: fizmo > | > | > | "I'm hoping someday to find some other synths at basement prices. I > | was keeping an eye on the Ensoniq Fizmo because it was being > | discontinued > | and it was as cheap as $200-400 at local stores." > | > | What where where WHEEEEERRREEEEEEEE????????? > | > | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: fizmo > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:48:42 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > Negative reviews schmooze-a-hoola. There's always somebody who is pissed > when the rain stops. If you dig it that should be enough. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Echophazer@aol.com [mailto:Echophazer@aol.com] > | Sent: Thursday 10 February 2000 5:21 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: fizmo > | > | > | I was thinking of buying one until I read all the negative > | reviews at sonic > | state. > | > | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:27:38 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 september 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Princeton Loops-so does Bloomington AND Tampa > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0500 > From: "future perfect" > To: > > While we are doing this, I am playing Borders in Tampa, FL this Friday with > my duo as well. I have also played a lot of Borders up the Eastern US- > always has been a good place to play, and we seem to do well with CD sales > too. We have played the one in Princeton (near my hometown in NJ) and it was > a blast. > And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an edit > will be available soon): > http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB) > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > 'Future Perfect' - art music > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > > Hey neat, > > > > I play at live solo electric guitar show w/loops there as well: > > > > Fri. feb 11th 8:00-10:00pm "Borders Books/ Music" Bloomington, In (don't > > know phone number) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:43:52 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Hey that is quite a few gigs being announced on this list. It would be cool > to have a portion of these gigs taped and made available as mp3's no? Maybe > just a 2-3 minutes snip.Just a thought. > > > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > - > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 september 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:17:16 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > okay, i plead idiocy . . . > > i copied the thing and didn't check the thing too carefully . . . > > FEBRUARY not september. (i don't really expect people to be markign their > calanders that far into the future.) > > geez, what a dork! > > sorry . . . > > stig > > make all of that: > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > one set > 13 february 2000 > 8:00 p.m. > $?.?? (sorry) > soho > 1221 state st. > santa barbara, ca, usa > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > BONE STRUCTURE > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > gregg bendian - drums, > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > chris garcia - drums, > bruce fowler - trombone > > > Inner Ear Series > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > (between National and Higuera Streets) > Culver City, CA, usa > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > 20 february 2000 > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > $10.00 at the door > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Looping on radio > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:58:30 EST > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio > College. For 30 minutes? > James H. Sidlo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: radio show tonight > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:34:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Haitch Cee > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > heya folks . loopi stuff going on on plutonian nights tonight . press > release / shoutcast info etc available at: > > http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > show starts at 1am (PST) and goes until dawn > > cheers =) > rich > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org > s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org > records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: OT: mingus, coltrane, vicious, and buddha having lunch ... > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:27:56 +0100 > From: Cummings > To: Loopers Delight > CC: Drummer List > > funny little article for those of you into these guys ... > > http://www.furious.com/perfect/mingusplay.html > > sorry 4 the disturbance ... > > rob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:03:52 -0000 > From: "Trace Elliot Ltd" > To: , > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > ************************************* > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > Blackwater Trading Estate > The Causeway > Maldon > Essex > United Kingdom > CM9 4GG > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lance glover > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: price wars > > > i agree w/ miko. > > > > i mean, is it disputed that there's anything remotely in this price range > > that does the kinds of things this box does (or will do)? i can't wait > > for the next wave of nickel & dime arguments once these units hit the > > stores..:-) > > > > lance g. > > > > > > Mike Biffle wrote: > > > > > Hey everyone... we've also just heard they're going for ~$660 at Alto. > > > This is about $100 more than we paid in the previous Alto deal. More > > > expensive? Yes... Available and in a similar ballpark? YES! They will > > > probalby cost more at other stores, but thems the breaks gang... This > > > bitching about $1100 is not doing much for me... > > > > > > -m > > > > > > >>> "Jonathan El-Bizri" 02/09 9:50 AM >>> > > > So what? Just because one insane Kurzweil slaseperson was prepared to > > > pay > > > $3,000 becuase he though he would never see one built again doesn't > > > mean > > > that you are going to sell many at $1100. The product will die and > > > then they > > > will not be made again. > > > > > > bIz > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:24 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Subject: > > > > > > It's a small price to pay for such an excellent product. One was > > > sold > > > secondhand via NET auction for $3000. > > > I can assure everyone that we are making the slimmest of margins on > > > the > > > EDP. Ah!, the joys of manufacturing. > > > Andy > > > > > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > > ************************************* > > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > > The Causeway > > > Maldon > > > Essex > > > United Kingdom > > > CM9 4GG > > > > > > Tel: +44 (0)1621 851851 > > > Fax: +44 (0)1621 851932 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:01:49 -0800 (PST) > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Since you guys are listening, can you tell us how much > memory will come installed on the EDP? > > The "Full Monty" I hope! > > John > > PS- Will you offer discounts to anyone who can recite > dialogue from "The Young Ones" or "Fawlty Towers"? > > --- Trace Elliot Ltd wrote: > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has > > just doubled. > > Trace Elliot Contact Information > > ************************************* > > Trace Elliot (UK) Ltd > > Blackwater Trading Estate > > The Causeway > > Maldon > > Essex > > United Kingdom > > CM9 4GG > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:40:52 EST > From: Madoud@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > I heard 50 seconds > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:41 +0100 > From: Cummings > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > hey stig are you on the ge stinson almbum "vapor"? > this just got a great review in the wire! > > have a great gig - when are you guys coming to europe? > > l8ter, > rob > > Liebig, Steuart A. schrieb: > > > > two gigs with improvised loopage and mayhem: > > > > stinson/liebig/bendian trio > > > > g.e. stinson: guitars, applied tools, loopage > > steuart liebig: basses, stuff, loopage > > gregg bendian: drums/percussion > > > > one set > > 13 september 2000 > > 8:00 p.m. > > $?.?? (sorry) > > soho > > 1221 state st. > > santa barbara, ca, usa > > 805.962.7776, 805.899.2176 > > > > BONE STRUCTURE > > g.e. Stinson - guitars, loopage > > gregg bendian - drums, > > steuart liebig - bass, loopage > > jeff gauthier - violins, loopage > > > > MICHAEL VLATKOVICH TRIO > > michael vlatkovitch - trombone, > > chris garcia - drums, > > bruce fowler - trombone > > > > > > Inner Ear Series > > CONJUCTIVE POINTS > > > > 3631 Hayden Avenue > > (between National and Higuera Streets) > > Culver City, CA, usa > > Free Parking available in the Culver City Warner Drive Lot > > > > 20 september 2000 > > Concerts begin at 8:00 PM > > $10.00 at the door > > CALL (310)-301-1611 for additional info > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:41:31 -0800 > From: "Javier Miranda V." > To: > > That's not funny even as a joke. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Trace Elliot Ltd [mailto:info@trace-elliot.com] > | Sent: Friday 11 February 2000 3:04 AM > | To: baumhaus@earthlink.net; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: Re: price wars > | > | > | All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Looping on radio > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:55:04 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > Howdy, > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > Thanks > Denis > > Denis Taaffe > denis_aliengtr@geocities.com > http://www.dtguitar.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Looping on radio > > Short notice. I'll be looping tonight at 10:00pm on KSYM. San Antonio > College. For 30 minutes? > James H. Sidlo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: price wars > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:59:12 -0500 > From: "Taaffe, Denis G" > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , > baumhaus@earthlink.net > > Now that really is how the music biz works....haha > > > Denis > > - > Subject: Re: price wars > > All this is good publicity. In fact the price has just doubled. > Trace Elliot Contact Information > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: plutonian nights apologies to shoutcast users > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Haitch Cee > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > heya all > > seems that some of you out-of-FM-range folks had problems connecting > with the zilTV shoutcast rebroadcast last night . apologies for that. > we'll get it resolved for next weeks show . too bad though, you > missed me disolving into a sleepdep void 4 hours into my set . you > also missed me pounding rhythms out on my gut by request from a > caller . interesting night all-round . thanks go to ghoulash for > bailing me out with the broad use of lude northern humour and instant > coffee =P > > cheers > rich > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org > s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org > records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: GFX8 > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:45 -0500 > From: andre > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > any one use the Zoom GFX 8 forlooping?? what's the call on that unit?? > > thanx, > > andre' > > LOOPING next friday in NYC..at theKNit (see below)!! > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - > Knitactive Soundstage > 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- > webcast!!?? > > ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS > March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com > > *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Looping on radio > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:35:16 -0500 > From: "future perfect" > To: > > Tonight, the duo I am in will be playing at Borders as well. Plenty of > looping, and we always record the shows to MiniDisc so we can post clips of > the stuff we like. Alos, for those who play at Borders now and then- we > always ask play in the back of the store in the 'art book' section- there > are usually the biggest couches and chairs there, and it is far away from > the noise of the cafe. The clip I mentioned yesterday (copied below) was > recorded at Borders last month. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > ****(And, for those with a good modem and/or a lot of time to download (an > edit > will be available soon): > http://members.theglobe.com/TheMincer/Nightstars.mp3 (MP3 file 6.7MB)***** > > > Howdy, > > > > I do a show tonight as well at borders for 2 hours. I played a gig > > last week for 2 1/2 hours. I played nonstop without a break and was > > exhausted at the end,my hand ached that night a little haha. SO 30 minutes > > nonstop is decent. Tonight I plan to take a break after an hour.2 hours is > > kind of long I find.will you be looping guitar stuff? > > > > Thanks > > Denis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:56:03 EST > From: Echopark99@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Hey STig! > > I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that > I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year > and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too > much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging > with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... I think I need to do one or > two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be > somewhere I'm not. I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the > Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! > > I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. He > did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review > 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up > for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. > > How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? > > eric p > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: SSSorry! That was for STIG only! > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:18 EST > From: Echopark99@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sorry Folks, that was for Stig, not everybody! > > eric p > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: RE: shameless self-promotion, southern california style > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:59:17 -0500 > From: "Liebig, Steuart A." > To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" > > I can't believe I'll ever get to see you guys play! Do you realize that > I've been open to the idea of seeing you play here locally for almost a year > > and a half?!?! I'm tempted to drive up to SB, but I've been doing way too > much driving lately and I'd probably be late. And on the 20th I'm gigging > with the modern dance chicks. Schedules... > > ** wowee. well sometime there will be a chance. dance thing sounds fun. > > I think I need to do one or > two less things in life. It seems as if every two hours I'm supposed to be > somewhere I'm not. > > ** naw, do it all . . . and more. > > I did manage to catch Nels quite by accident down at the > Smell a coupla weeks back - acoustic trio! > > ** who was in that? > > I saw Dane the other night, at the academy nominating for sound FX oscars. > He > did some great stuff in the Matrix. It's kind of a fun night where we review > > 10-minute clips of the most sound intensive stuff of the year. My boss is up > > for The Green Mile, on which I did crazy electrocution recordings, etc. > > ** great. i should really say hi to him at some point soon. > > How was London? Find any good blowing/ripping music? > > ** going end of march. > > s Due to medical hardship,i am selling 2 Echoplex pros', each with 50 sec smpling time and pro footpedals. i am open to any reasonable offers you can reach me at From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 11:19:37 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18767; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:19:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A59294.E72AE0AD@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:05:00 +0000 From: Olivier Malhomme X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:[off] fizmo References: <200002120009.TAA23643@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvyZJ1.0.XF2.zDOfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm very interested in the Fizmo. If anyone can give a phone number or internet address. Since I live in Belgium, I am nowhere near going to the mars or guitar center of the corner, see?? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 14:41:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29677; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:41:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:41:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: m1cha3l@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200002121700.MAA01013@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:20:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Tuminello Subject: Re: EDP's for sale message Resent-Message-ID: <"p6MYv1.0.-u5.l9Rfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the question is, can we trust a guy who quotes the whole digest? ;-) MT From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 16:15:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02467; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:15:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EDP's for sale message Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"dIp442.0.Em6.GVSfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, as some of us know, looping, or EDP-specific skills, are in a quite different field from computer-related skills. I don't believe one has much influence over the other. On the other hand, as a common-sense issue, the dude hasn't bothered to read about e-mail etiquette, or at least hasn't had much practice in e-mail matters. This could either be a personal deficiency or a symptom of carelessness or indifference which could affect the purchase of an EDP. I'd say it's 50-50. | -----Original Message----- | From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:m1cha3l@earthlink.net] | Sent: Saturday 12 February 2000 11:20 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: EDP's for sale message | | | the question is, can we trust a guy who quotes the whole digest? ;-) | | MT | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Feb 12 17:20:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30482; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:20:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:20:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <92.167128d.25d7326e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:02:22 EST Subject: Re: WHOA!?!?!? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"rMD6m1.0.kP5.KYTfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/11/0 4:20:34 PM, crash@waste.org writes: >Modern Dance Chicks?!?!?!? Wow! Do they loop? > They certainly move well to loops, at times they are actualy looping, too. But I guess I'm the only one who really calls them that. They don't really go by "Modern Dance Chicks". From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 01:01:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21765; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:01:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.160.65.106] From: "Greg S" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:46:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPmDk2.0.7z2.6Hafu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. More info: After I noticed the problem, I took the EDP out of the effects loop of my mixer to make sure my mixer wasn't a part of the problem. I sampled a good volume swell into my DL4 pedal (which worked just fine thank you) as a "test swell" and then plugged the DL4 into the echoplex. I set the EDP's mix to 50% and the original volume swell comes through the signal path perfectly smooth, but the recorded version is still cut-off and abrupt. This is done with the input set at 25% which is where I normally keep it. When I move it to %50, it seems to work better, but then I overload the EDP and it distorts. Any suggestions? thanks, Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 09:49:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21876; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002201bf762f$d4e3c2a0$8f99b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:32:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"r1YjN.0.WS3.M0ifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Greg, I had the same problem and i was also advised to increase the input but compared to other loop samplers i find the EDP not that dynamic because of the horrible digital distortion.It can be improved though changing a couple of resistors like i did. Ask Kim directly and he will tell you exactly which ones to change. Good luck! L.A. > This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. > That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal > above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume > swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it > didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather > abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is > the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. > > I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. > > Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. > > More info: > After I noticed the problem, I took the EDP out of the effects loop of my > mixer to make sure my mixer wasn't a part of the problem. I sampled a good > volume swell into my DL4 pedal (which worked just fine thank you) as a "test > swell" and then plugged the DL4 into the echoplex. I set the EDP's mix to > 50% and the original volume swell comes through the signal path perfectly > smooth, but the recorded version is still cut-off and abrupt. This is done > with the input set at 25% which is where I normally keep it. When I move it > to %50, it seems to work better, but then I overload the EDP and it > distorts. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks, > Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 10:18:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31870; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:18:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A6C7ED.E3F66981@hcis.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:04:18 -0600 From: jsd Reply-To: groundfloor@hcis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #39 References: <200002121700.MAA01013@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zJYlC2.0.j36.6Sifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Huh? dang Mark >>>any reason you had to copy the whole digest # 37..I've read it once....a little wasted band width there. _______j_______ > Subject: > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 39 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #37 [ Mark Boccaccio Due to medical hardship,i am selling 2 Echoplex pros', each with 50 sec smpling > time and pro footpedals. i am open to any reasonable offers > you can reach me at From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 10:51:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10885; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:51:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bf7637$27ea2b40$a61e883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: passive pick ups Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:54:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RD47d.0.2t.yvifu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com off topic subject I have a steinberger guitar with the usual composite neck and EMG pickups but would now like to change the pickups to a passive type. have any of the list members changed the EMG's and if so what are they using and how do they find the sound. i am looking for a warmer sound from my guitar but i dont know if changing the pickups will make much difference as i think the neck contributes a great deal to the sound of the guitar so any info would be a help. if the pickups are not going to make much difference to the sound i will have to get a wooden neck made or swap it with someone with a wooded steinberger spirit series neck. any info would be appreciated and if you could respond to me direct at renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk it would keep the list clear as its an off topic subject thanks Renaldo p.s.Eric the 500mA supply seems to be working alright. cheers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 12:43:06 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20671; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:43:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.1171390.25d84232@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:21:54 EST Subject: Re: passive pick ups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: <"LLWaY2.0.Cg3.SXkfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Renaldo, In a message dated 02/13/00 7:51:26 AM, renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk writes: >i am looking for a warmer sound from my guitar but i dont >know if changing the pickups will make much difference. Changing pickups can have either subtle or dramatic difference in the sound of your instrument depending upon the pickups themselves and the instrument in particular. I don't know anything much about steinbergers but I do know a thing or two about pickups. I used to work for Seymour Duncan and they make hundreds of varieties of pickups to suit any guitar/player/style/need. All I can say is check out all of the manufacturers websites and submit your inquiry as a tech question. Anybody should be ablr to at least offer some educated suggestiuons and answer any other questions you might have--Duncan, EMG or Dimarzio. Honnestly, they all make pretty good products. I may have my own bias but I won;t burden you with that. Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 14:53:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07530; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:53:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:53:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:32:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Input problems in EDP - Truncating volume swells. In-reply-to: <20000213054157.1524.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5PXHv.0.Ou7.hTmfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg said: >This week my EDP began "truncating" the initial part of my volume swells. >That is, it acts a bit like a noise gate where it only records a signal >above a certain input level. For example: if I record a smooth volume >swell (beginning with complete silence), the play back will sound as if it >didn't record the initial part of the swell. This results in a rather >abrupt appearance of the loop vs. the subtle effect I was after. This is >the first time its misbehaved in the past year that I've had it. > >I double checked the Threshold value, and it is set to 0. Threshold parameter has nothing to do with it, that is for triggering record when you actually start playing. >Has anyone else experienced this? Can this be fixed. Sounds like you have the old software version. Check the Echoplex FAQ for more info: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ5.html#gate kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 17:16:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27817; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:16:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:16:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001201bf766b$7b459840$0264a8c0@okeefe.sf.gomotech.com> From: "Jan P" To: Subject: bay area -> santa cruz tonight? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:44:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BcOJ21.0.Kd3.vLofu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopies; I'm looking for a ride from the bay area to the loopfest gig in santa cruz tonight... anyone can accomodate 1? pls call me (415) 681-0172 in lake'ch jan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 17:10:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25962; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:10:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01ad01bf766c$89328c00$4690f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:50:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QWPpi.0.qB5.dUofu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for EMUSIC "EMUSIC," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #151 February 10, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on American synthesist Michael Garrison. Tonight's Feature CD at Midnight was Eclipse on the Windspell label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Dom F. Scab Fear to Void Innerseed (Free Records) VA [DisguisedIllusions] Driftin' Thoughts Colours (Spheric Music) wEirD Manuel Gearchange A Different Kind of Normal (Neu Harmony) Coyote Oldman House Made of Dawn House Made of Dawn (Hearts of Space) MaJaLe & James Johnson Imaginarium Live Under a Harvest Moon (Zero Music) Max Corbacho Death Valley Vestiges (Free Records) VA [romb] rods and cones Mote (The Foundry) VA [romb & eM] in the drift Mote (The Foundry) Jean-Pierre Saccomani Autumn The Four Seasons (M-C-P) 12:00 am Michael Garrison Departure Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Airborn Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Celestial Nights Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Daydreams Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Elliptical Sun Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Interstellar Romance Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Dimensions Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison The Awakening Eclipse (Windspell Music) Michael Garrison Cloud Burst 2001 Eclipse (Windspell Music) StillPoint Maps 2 & 3 Maps Without Edges (City of Tribes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the American synthesist Michael Garrison. The feature CD at Midnight will be Michael Garrison Live Volume 2 on the Windspell label. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 21:04:23 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28456; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: Subject: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"03Nyh.0.rd6.w6sfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments (although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I need to look into something a little more sophisticated? Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? Thanks. Peter R.I.P. Charles M Schultz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:03:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18051; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:55:04 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-reply-to: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"y681N1.0.I34.tzsfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:00 PM -0800 2/13/00, Peter Shindler wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? I don't think you can load your own samples into the roland things. You need a sampler which can then be triggered by the roland. In the past, the rolands had significantly worse tracking for triggering external devices than with their own internal sounds. I don't know if that is still true. In any case, having a sampler around can't hurt. You can trigger precreated loops on it. :-) >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone player, you'll be much happier! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:12:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20778; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:12:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:12:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A7716D.A820F20A@texas.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:07:30 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions References: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"miORe3.0.1m4.n5tfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've been reading very nice things about the axon guitar synth system on the motu-mac list recently. check it out: http://www.musicindustries.com/axon/ bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:54:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07084; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:54:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:54:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:47:01 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay In-reply-to: <38881180.F4FA5DB@wxs.nl> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <030e01bf639b$0ef52210$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"viE1f1.0.GM1.Njtfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:57 PM -0800 1/20/00, Robert van der Kamp wrote: >> >Ouch. 16 bit AD/DA is..., well, dated. Soundwise, I mean. happened to see this comment on the list a while back, but didn't have any time then. I don't have any time now either, but what the hell.... The sound chip technology might be a few years old, 'tis true, but then so's a tube amp and a microphone and a tb-303. In the niche musical instrument world, there is simply not enough money from the tiny sales volumes to be able to update products as quickly as the PC industry. that's life - you take what you can get. These type of products usually require at least three years in the market before anybody even starts to notice them and a demand for it begins to develop. Nobody doing these sorts of instruments has the resources to churn out new products every 6-12 months, before the last one even got a solid footing! You also expect musical instruments to be around for a while; they need to be so people can become familiar enough with it to make it a part of their music! Otherwise, you'll be spending all of your time learning the features of the latest toy and no time creating with something you know as well as your own voice. Why does everything need to be updated all the time when it is fine as it is and people love it that way? And why would you want it to be? That's PC industry thinking. A musical instrument should be there for your life, not a few months. There should be time for traditions to develop, for skills and techniques to grow, for music to be created and performed, for masters to appear and show the way for new generations of players. In fact this is serious for computer based music, compositions and instruments made on computers 10 years ago are mostly lost forever. The software doesn't work anymore, the file formats are unreadable, the old computers are gone! Computer music created now, where will it be in 10, 20, 50 years? A tragedy in the making.... It's also a problem for development, the hardware components are changing too quickly right now to support serious electronic musical instrument creation. That is a primary reason so many classic instruments are gone, the parts are obsolete because the computer industry doesn't use them anymore. We need confidence that the parts we choose will be available for at least the 5-10 years or more you expect for the product's life. We had that kind of stability when we created the Echoplex, and all of the parts in it are still available now, 5 years later. We don't have this stability currently with the latest audio components, it is chaos. It will come again though, and there will eventually be another generation of echoplex hardware. But for now, we focus on making what we have better, with new features and functions and innovations for the same hardware, since it still has plenty of room to grow! And really, how many have really mastered the instrument as it is? There is still so much more creativity and music for the future with the things we already have! But regardless of the sound chip's up-to-datedness, the looping functionality of the echoplex is by far the state of the art. There is nothing out there even close. By that metric, the echoplex leads the world by a good 5-10 years of development time! So your choice: 24bit/96KHz of looping functions from 1982, or 16bit/41.4KHz of the most radically innovative loop instrument there is! :-) my totally biased opinion, of course. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Feb 13 22:51:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05734; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:51:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:51:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:46:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QRFrD1.0.8D.kftfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of > an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It > will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to > tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own > custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > player, you'll be much happier! Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What specific analog synths should I check out? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:27:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13904; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:27:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214002344.008c2e30@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:23:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yfB5u3.0.Fk2.c3vfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GTR SYNTH info: at least in the ROLAND corner... look for a used GR1.. thats the last great TWEEKABLE-on-the-fly roland synth the gr9? & gr 30 sound great..more menu driven and no 'patch names' another way to go is the GI-10--1/2space midi converter..then you can patch into ANY synth uwant there's also AXON, yamaha, casio etc for other systems..sweep thru ebay.com...digibid.com..roguemusic.com andre' At 09:00 PM 02/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? > >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? > >Thanks. > > >Peter > > >R.I.P. Charles M Schultz > > > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:18:32 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09383; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:18:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:18:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214001029.009f8180@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:10:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tT0Oq3.0.Rj.5wufu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:00 PM 2/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang, I've been bitten by the guitar-synth bug and am in the process of >reviewing my finances to see if I can afford to get into it soon. Question: >I'm not primarily interested in using it to emulate other instruments >(although that will be nice), but I am very much into creating new sounds on >my PC and storing them as patches on the synth unit so I can use them on the >fly. Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? Hi Peter, Several thoughts/answers (assuming what you want to do is create sounds on the PC using a software synth or similar program then download them as samples into a guitar synth): 1. No the GR-30 will not allow you to do this. At first, I thought you wanted to be able to _edit_ guitar synth patches, which would not have been a problem. 2. If you want to "play" your newly created sounds on the PC itself or on an external sampler, then you have to go the external MIDI route. The MIDI conversion process adds its own latency, but I have friends who have made it work by using the external MIDI modules for slower melody lines and atmospherics. The Axon (mentioned by another respondent on this thread) is said to be very good, but I haven't tried it myself. The Starrlabs Ztar solves the problem by substituting a 24x6 array of little keys for a traditional guitar fretboard - in essence it is a keyboard instrument designed to be more approachable for guitarists. The downside of that is you lose the strings for purposes of bending and vibrato - it does have a string trigger option, but it is for superimposing the dynamics of plucking and muting strings on the MIDI'd sounds. 3. Performance-wise, while I think samples have their place, the problem is that even after you decide on a way to "play" your sample from your guitar (or Ztar if you go that route) is that the sample itself is just a snapshot of a sound. You can use filters and envelopes to make it "move" a little, but it's not really "alive". > >Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? Both. I believe the GK2 series have built-in filtering circuitry that tries to toss out the spurious harmonics in trying to figure out what note(s) you are playing. Some contend that RMC pickups (http://www.rmcpickup.com) deliver higher quality sound signals to the converter or whatever polyphonic box you are connecting to (e.g. Roland VG8/VG88). Yamaha manufactures a pickup that is GK2-compatible. It was apparently meant to be a companion to their G50 guitar-MIDI converter, which uses slightly older Axon technology. They also make a pickup that is designed for bass guitar string spacing. Personally, as a former guitar synth owner, I'm more interested in the direction Kim mentioned in his reply. Part of it is that the main reason to buy a guitar synth like the GR30 doens't really apply to me - and that is to use its imitative voices for songwriting (lay down bass line, horn lines, percussion parts, etc.). I am no great shakes at keyboards, but can operate them well enough to not need a guitar synth. I've been interested in the VG8/VG88 because it offers the potential for synth-like sounds without the tracking delays but there is an alternative even to that in RMC's fanout box. This box takes the polyphonic signal from a hex-pickup driven guitar and provides 6 outputs for the strings in addition to an additional poly out, so that instead of feeding a VG system, you can instead plug in analog synth filters, effects processors, etc. for each string independently. Well, I hope I didn't confuse you too much. :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:19:21 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09624; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:19:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:19:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:58:35 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wwkwy1.0.wk7.ckufu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recommend you check out the RMC pickup...it tracks better than the GK-2A in many cases..... Click here: RMC Pickups Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:35:30 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18236; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:35:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:35:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:32:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QKuA3.0.Nh3.UBvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >> player, you'll be much happier! > >Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >specific analog synths should I check out? > > >Peter > i'd say=--- any one which a piano player won't flip out on and say sounds fake....>as will always be the case when new frontiers are pushed. remember the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' ac > NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 00:33:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17175; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:33:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:33:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214003049.008b98e0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:30:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: References: <001e01bf768f$4f83c5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bznK72.0.CZ3.HAvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth >and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight sigh. here we go again. that's totally subjective, kim..andi KNOW youre KINDA kidding a guitar synth should not be judged as anything but/..... let this guy form his own opinion --- i gave a sterile--info only response... depends on what he wnats to do for many guitarists-----all ,yes ALL EFFECTS SUCK >tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own >custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >player, you'll be much happier! see-- this is your, and other people's constant mistake--- i for one , use sounds like that 1% of the time !! it's not what works well.... guitar synth is PERFECT for setting up aquick bassline loop..or just getting a nice cloudy JX-3p or oberheim pad behind some guitar loops..... the people who hate guitar synth INVARIABLY are (for some reason) always caught up in trying to use it as a Piano, sax, or acoustic gtr. It's HORRIBLE for that. But--throw the whole thing out??? bizarre thought process. it's like complaining that a strat straight into marshall on 10 doesnt make those Chopin Etudes sound relaxing enuf. NOT WHAT ITS FOR... > sigh.whatever NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 01:07:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30987; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:07:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:02:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA29476 Resent-Message-ID: <"SJKQ42.0.rC7.Jgvfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a sequencer,a lead synth, whatever, I use the Electro harmonix Microsynth plugged into a lot of other EH effects and into a boomerang,I find the Microsynth very easy to use and I can make it sound very cool,I never run out of cool sounds with it. then I feed all that into the Roland SPV 355, wich is a rack analog synth with all kinds of filters, VCO´s and such,and then I run all that into another looper. Some older analog Synths like the KORG MS-20 let you plug another signal into them and use all their filters as well... But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: http://www.ping.be/sherman/ Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 01:53:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18376; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:53:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:53:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002f01bf76b7$d936c040$d5368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:50:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"YnU7f2.0.Y94.kLwfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NORD!!! I played with the Micro at NAMM- awesome fun- - Cliff :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > From: Kim Flint > Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > > Plug the guitar into a bunch of crazy effects and then into the inputs of > > an analog synth, for all the filters and lfos and envelopes and such. It > > will be way more expressive and you'll have far more real-time control to > > tweak sounds. Skip the sample triggering thing if you are doing your own > > custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > > player, you'll be much happier! > > Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What > specific analog synths should I check out? > > > Peter > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 02:48:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11296; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:48:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:48:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" To: "'Loopers'" Subject: Jam Man Memory once again... Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uz-_43.0.9I1.j8xfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ... ... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam Man to its full 32 MB capacity! Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips? "Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of Jam Man's sold are 10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway... Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man with full memory! regards /Mats From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 02:37:10 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02313; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:37:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 02:37:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:26:00 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"0h2If3.0.-p7.zywfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:32 PM -0800 2/13/00, andre wrote: >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >>> player, you'll be much happier! >> >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >>specific analog synths should I check out? >> >> >>Peter >> > > >i'd say=--- any one which a piano player won't flip out on and say sounds >fake....>as will always be the case when new frontiers are pushed. remember >the attack on Dylan for 'going electric' > we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 03:17:11 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03176; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A7B7D0.EC774FA3@pop.agri.ch> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:07:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: j-turino@pop.agri.ch Organization: i45 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Memory once again... References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153" Resent-Message-ID: <"rVtP22.0.LJ7.4Xxfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi mats i upgraded my jamman last week ... so you're really the only one left. ;-) try at roguemus@ix.netcom.com they are shipping to europe and make a very good job ... it took me just = 4 days, to get the upgrade. jes=FAs "Mats Eriksson (ECS)" schrieb: > Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ... > > ... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam = Man to its full 32 MB capacity! > > Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips? > > "Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet = related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of J= am Man's sold are > 10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway... > > Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man wi= th full memory! > > regards > /Mats --------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi mats

i upgraded my jamman last week ... so you're really the only one left.
;-)

try at roguemus@ix.netcom.com

they are shipping to europe and make a very good job ... it took me just 4 days, to get the upgrade.

jesús
 
 
 

"Mats Eriksson (ECS)" schrieb:

Sorry folks for being a newbie to loopers and ...

... I am probably the only one left who hasn't upgraded my Lexicon Jam Man to its full 32 MB capacity!

Where can I get hold of those weird ZIP chips?

"Chips for Less" in Texas has run out of it, as well as other Internet related resources. Mind you, I live in Sweden where the total amount of Jam Man's sold are
10. So no one wants (music shops) to order it anyway...

Probably the price will be more expensive than a second hand Jam Man with full memory!

regards
/Mats

--------------2A3F9A80AC5EFC9E3580D153-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 04:15:48 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15307; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:15:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 04:08:31 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"sdl1q2.0.lB3.qOyfu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey there, No, there are actually quite a few different pickups and systems out there... The pickup is a portion of how accurate the tracking of what you are playing relative to the synth playing the same notes generated by the controller. The conversion brain is going to be the second half equation, and you'll possibly want to either go with an all in one system or go Axon for faster tracking... Not sure if you're going to be using an electric guitar or an electric bass guitar, but either way, the best conversion brains are going to be (in order of better accuracy) Axon AX-100 (or AX-100SB) Yamaha G50 Roland GR-33 Roland GR-30 Shadow SH-075 For pickups, I recommend going with RMC's, however they are a bit pricy and aren't the easiest thing to install... If you go with a HEX system, such as the Roland GK-2a, or Axon/Yamaha equivalent, you'll find that the tracking is not as accurate and that the number of incorrect notes, warbles, and just silence is going to increase. However, you'll also be able to get a good idea of just what a synth guitar can do, plus they're far easier to install, and don't require as specific an instrument. Lastly, it looks as though all you're really wanting is a controller,... may want to check out a Ztar by Starr Labs, you'll find that they're the fastest thing around, however, you do loose the sound of a guitar (they're really keyboards in guitar's clothing). For all-in-one systems, you may want to check out a Parker MIDIFly or BMCGuitar MIDIGuitar. Hope this helps! L8r on, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:31:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03202; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <50.18fb02f.25d94072@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:26:42 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"a6x3I2.0.oL.MQ-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << those things matter, but ultimately midi is not designed for guitar synth and that is the bottleneck. There is no hope, all midi guitars suck. :-) >> I would have to disagree. I have been using git-synths since they came out. in the past tracking was horrindous BUT now we have "stnth-ready guitars" IE: parkers etc..... i own a Godin (Canadian based Co.) which has (as do the Parkers ) a built-in roland p/u mounted AS/under the bridge . this increased the tracking rate by a very very noticable ammount (i also have a 69 strat w/ a Roland p/u ATTACHED --not near the tracking ability---) Also it is not the guitar synth that has tracking "problems" a guitar s/p/u wnts to hear a clean pick and i mean clean IE: Mr Fripp. so you may want to try to work on your techniqe a little/lot :-) I play one way w/out the git synth running and try the above refined picking technique when using a synth. Finnally , i dont use MANY tone modules BUT i have found my Godin works great with the Yamaha JV1080 and 2080 Tone modules don't give up. Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:31:29 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03203; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:31:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <31.13cbfb0.25d940a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:27:37 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions...oops fergot To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"bhFEP2.0.WN.pQ-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Also, is it the box or the pickup that's responsible for the quality of the >tracking? Is the GK-2A the only pickup I'll need to look at? >> its the pickup From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 06:35:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04685; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:35:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:35:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 06:30:14 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions...damn missed another To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"iY69Z3.0.om.kT-fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 2/13/00 10:03:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Does a basic device like the Roland GR-30 let you do this, or do I >need to look into something a little more sophisticated? >> the Gr-30 will NOT do this ALONE... BUT midi though something OR -my pref- use a tone modual such as the Yamaha JV seris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 07:51:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08841; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:51:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:51:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010901bf76e9$702fc6a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:45:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"kqAM52.0.HS._Z_fu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Soto To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is > a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort > and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: > > http://www.ping.be/sherman/ The Filterbank looks like fun! Anyone here played with one of these? And do we have any pricing info (the website doesn't)? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 08:43:35 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28683; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A80442.C588F02D@node.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:33:54 -0500 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: > - - node - - < X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Message to You, Kim Flint References: <200002140538.AAA19839@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bocxX1.0.hU6.uJ0gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, Kim... Now that we're weeks away from a new era of EDP distribution, and given that said EDPs will feature the "old" software, is there any way to get the new EDP control software ye've been toiling away upon lo, these forlorn, lovelorn, EDPlorn months? Are you soliciting requests for beta testers? Beta blockers? Dan Blocker is Sally Bowles in Peter Brook's controversial production of the rarely staged _Cabaret: With a Vengeance_? I digress... What's the software's status, in any case? Thanks for sharing. _______________________________________________________________________ ~ > -- James Keepnews -- < "Put oneself into a state of intense (.-.) * ignorance and curiosity, and yet ( \ > - Multimedia Yahoo - < see things in advance." - * " > keepnews@node.net < -- Robert Bresson (1901-1999) _______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 08:51:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03470; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:51:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:51:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:44:36 EST Subject: Re: Plexes and instruments: a Sunday evening essay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"2Gfal1.0.I37.sR0gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com kf, et al: <> > But regardless of the sound chip's up-to-datedness, > the looping functionality of the echoplex is by far > the state of the art. > There is nothing out there even close. > By that metric, the echoplex leads the world > by a good 5-10 years of development time! yup, there it is..... feature/functionality/realtime interface-wise, there is *no contest* twixt the edp & any other loopingdevice i've played--- {though, of course: a) there are devices i'm sure i ain't tried, yet & b) it might be noted that the product-oriented paradigm i've used, above, is not necessarily pertinent to the creation of music}. > So your choice: 24bit/96KHz of looping functions from > 1982, hey! i could swear that you'd just said: > The sound chip technology might be a few years old, > 'tis true, but then so's a tube amp > and a microphone and a tb-303. hmmm... anyway: i'm still finding new modes of expression w/my old-tech's sound & functionality; yeah, even the antiquated looping-devices: even the oud, yo. 8bit? 17ksampling? who cares!?! it all just results in a sound flying thru the vibrating & ever-disappearing-air, anyways: to quote russell hoban (way out of context, natch), 'there are no digressions'..... > or 16bit/41.4KHz of the most radically > innovative loop instrument there is! :-) well, actually..... hmmm... lemme thinka minit, ummunnhh..... i think i'll have a double-order of the radical-innovation-thingie (!edp!) w/a healthy buncha old-tech on the side, puhleez..... > my totally biased opinion, of course. :-) an opinion w/which i, for one, agree. pax aus, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:37:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25726; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:37:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:37:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214093355.008ba870@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-Reply-To: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U09IJ3.0.kr5.U71gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about >trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work "well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your musical needs, they may) by this formula: a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball wizard' a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on 'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' USE STUFF FOR WHAT IT IS dunno about you, i'm here to make music outta whatever technology comes along...and that for me starts with the highly technological yamaha acoustic guitar NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:33:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24183; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:33:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <14.eed3e7.25d96ab0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:26:56 EST Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"1YzMc2.0.0T5.W31gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I own a sherman and I absolutely love it! I've used it on everything; Guitars, cheesy keyboards, vocals, my lovely modulars (which will stay in my bedroom even if I get married), but my favorite application had to have been the homemade steel thundersheet from when I had torn the old pool down. The SFB is a great device. I believe it cost me around $650-$750. They even throw in a sticker sheet! Even without the stickers though this unit is well worth buying. Hope I've been of help, Another guy named Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:39:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25940; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:39:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:19:05 -0600 Message-ID: <01bf76fe$d5172da0$0f124f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RH5SR.0.is5.h71gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The full review by Peter Freeman of EM lists the Filertbank at $799. Looks and sounds! mighty impressive, i've got to stop in at Dr. Sound in NYC and take a closer look. Cheers, Pedro Felix -----Original Message----- From: Peter Shindler To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:21 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Soto To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions > > But you should check out the new and amazing Sherman Filterbank, wich is > a very cool device with tons of knobs and switches to twist, detune, distort > and deconstruct ANY signal you feed in, here´s the page: > > http://www.ping.be/sherman/ The Filterbank looks like fun! Anyone here played with one of these? And do we have any pricing info (the website doesn't)? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 09:40:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26102; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:40:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:40:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000214093601.008cb730@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:36:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000214003207.008bd100@mail.monmouth.com> <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sIITy2.0.Sw5.O91gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is >gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more >than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks hmmm..by YOUR logic it seems he would. You continually attack the worth of guitar synth, usually on the basis of sounds and 'tracking problems'whatever those are in 2000 in good spirit andre' NEXT GIG: Jfk's Lsd Ufo .......Fri FEB 18- 8pm - Knitting Factory - Knitactive Soundstage 74 Leonard St - NYC - 212-219-3006- http://www.knittingfactory.com- webcast!!?? ZAPPA Tribute--Project Object with IKE WILLIS March /April 2000 tourdates at http://www.projectobject.com *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com Monica Lewinsky... (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight loss): "I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 11:51:46 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05345; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:51:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:29:14 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20000214093355.008ba870@mail.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Resent-Message-ID: <"3PasZ2.0._p5.Uu2gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >> Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about >>trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a > >actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's >response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work >"well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your >musical needs, they may) > >by this formula: > >a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball >wizard' > >a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on >'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' > no, that's absolutely nothing at all like what I was saying. That's just what you decided I said so that you could make some other commentary. you do recall that I spent 3 years of my engineering career working on what was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of guitar synths? When I say they all suck, it's a technical commentary on the technology. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 11:58:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07777; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:58:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A831A3.9D8@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:47:31 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions References: <005d01bf769e$05c6fae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UHjht3.0.9I1.6A3gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone > >>> player, you'll be much happier! > >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What > >>specific analog synths should I check out? > we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is > gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more > than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks > you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the > Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html heh. Well I guess at 50+ synths I qualify as an analog synth freak. i also play guitar (straight acoustic or heavily processed electric) and guitar synths (Old Roland analog GR series, midi guitar, etc). The first question you have to ask your self is do you want to use your guitar polyphonically (Ie; more than one note as in chords and such) or for simple leads and monophonic lines. Unless you are using a dedicated guitar synth or midi interface all the effects boxes and analog synths are monophonic. Even the polyphonic synths will only allow you to play into the filter and such so you're not playing the synth itself but merely using it as a processor. While I agrere the Waldorf Q is an amazing synth that is well of $2500US and it still will only let you process through it not play it. there are a few old analogs with Pitch convertors in them that actually track the guitar note coming in to oscillators inside the synth and this might be fun if you're looking to do a lead type thing. The korg MS20 does this as does thre Roland SVC355. both are rare and very $$ of course. The Korg X911 "Guitar synth" is a msall box geared towards mangling spounds but doesn't track too well (actually nonoe of the older analog pitch convertors track well.) If you just want to mangle the guitar signal beyond comprehension then something as basic asthe Waldorf 4pole filter box might work. you could also go the completely other route and pick up a vintage modular like the arp 2600 or EMS VCS3 (as used by Pink Floyd!) for well over $2k again. The cheapest and easier route ti as someone said to string guitar stompboxes together. You can even throw something like the boss SYB3 "Bass synth" pedal in the loop for good measure. the reissue EH Mircosynth also does terribly wrong things ot an original signla and might be worth checking out. I wrote a detailed post on using FX with guitar a while ago. You can read it from this link: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitarfx.htm good luck! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 12:42:26 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31028; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:42:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A839F5.FF35DF09@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:23:07 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is References: <200002140602.AAA19208@servidor.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KG1fk.0.Fc5.Hc3gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gotta agree with Kim here, given that the ideal MIDI guitar control would be one that feels and behaves like a guitar, but give MIDI output. After all, keyboard players don't have to relearn how to play the instrument just to play synths, and neither should guitar players. As a mostly fingerstyle guitar player, as much as I lust for a MIDI controller, nothing I have ever played is even close to acceptable. It has nothing to do with sounds, but with how well the controller itself works. I actually had a brief discussion with Kim about this at NAMM, as we both agreed (or at least I got the impression we did) that the only way to get around some of the basic limitations of a guitar controller is to wire the frets for initial pitch information, then morph over to the string vibration for dynamics and other such esoterica. We're talking about a pretty expensive toy, here, (wiring underneath a fretboard and the like, possible with segmented frets so each string has its own trigger is no trivial task) as no pitch to MIDI (or pitch to voltage) conversion is EVER going to track smoothly and quickly enough to be more than a curiousity. At least for me, and I've tried just about everything that's out there at this point. George Kim Flint wrote: > > >At 12:02 AM 02/14/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >> > >> Well guitar synth,pretty much my subject, I agree with Kim, forget about > >>trying to sound like other instruments,I turn my guitar signal into a > > > >actually..(correct me please Kim??)-- i feel what's unfair about Kim's > >response is he IS rating guitar synth via sounds that never will work > >"well" on them -like sax, trumpet, ac gtr, etc(and indeed-depending on your > >musical needs, they may) > > > >by this formula: > > > >a violin sucks-since one don't sound so good doing the intro to 'pinball > >wizard' > > > >a piano sucks-- trying to cop all those bernie worrell lines on > >'flashlight', or the emerson solo at the end of 'lucky man' > > > > no, that's absolutely nothing at all like what I was saying. That's just > what you decided I said so that you could make some other commentary. > > you do recall that I spent 3 years of my engineering career working on what > was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of guitar synths? When I say they > all suck, it's a technical commentary on the technology. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:08:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13951; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:08:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Running guitar in to a Korg AR1 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"tmC_b.0.Ng2.LB4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone run a regular guitar signal into either of the KORG ER or AR devices to use their on-board synthing capabilities? Any words of advice? David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:01:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11981; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: johnmcc@aldiscon.ie Subject: Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:52:40 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.2a (Intl)|23 November 1999) at 14/02/2000 17:52:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"zgU9Z2.0.X52.J44gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [George:] > as no pitch to MIDI (or pitch to voltage) conversion is > EVER going to track smoothly and quickly enough to be > more than a curiousity. I read that the AXON converter uses what is essentially a neural net to "learn" the characteristics of your instrument, and preempt the usual 1/2 freq. delay in conversion. Other members may be able to give their opinions on how well this works, but it does pull down the conversion time for the lower strings (at least on paper). Also, it seems that piezo pickups in the bridge track better than magnetic (under the strings) ones. The GK-2A tracks reasonably for an afforable synth solution as long as it's mounted properly, and you use a pick/plectrum and a nice clean technique. But I know Bert Jansch uses a MIDI converter of some sort, and gets it to work for finger-style playing. Anyone know what he's using? I think there was also a guitar (late 1980s) that bounced an ultrasonic wave from the bridge up the string, where it reflected off the fret, and using this it could work out the note for MIDI info. Sensors near the bridge detected string bending. I think Andy Summers used one. Anyone remember this, or is it my over-active imagination again? - John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 13:24:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25324; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:24:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38A84734.67F2965@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:19:32 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Running guitar in to a Korg AR1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m5Viu1.0.nN5.qR4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I run guitar and guit synth through an ER-1. It doesn't synthesize per se. But you can ring modulate the external sound coupled with one of the percussion sounds. Main musical use is for gating the external sound per the programmed rhythm along with the percussion synth pattern. Settings are limited to control of the volume, pan, low boost and decay of the external sound. Its neat having the guitar or whatever be one of the drum machine voices. Though keyboard sounds like organ or pads, sounds with a consistent sustain, are more controllable and traditionally used with the gating effect, its kind of a trip to have the ER chop up the guitar rhythms in assorted ways. Advice would be the same as for everything else in the musical tools category: experiment, and YMMV. David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Has anyone run a regular guitar signal into either of the KORG ER or AR > devices to use their on-board synthing capabilities? > > Any words of advice? > > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Feb 14 14:05:57 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10211; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:05:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bf771d$70d6de70$b74badce@ltremblay.concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions - stompbox DIY Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"z9j2W1.0._V1._z4gu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Legion's post reminded me of some early experiments with stompbox FX I undertook when I first got into electronic music. At the time, since I couldn't afford a "real synthesizer", I imagined ways of creating an abstract "synth" using the crappy old stomp boxes of the day, moldering away in pawn shops and junky music stores. Of course, I could have built things too, but that's a different story. I started with a typical monosynth architecture as a guide to which role each effect would play in my "synth design", i.e., based on VCO + VCF + VCA, ala Moog, Arp, and Roland. Basically, a subtractive synthesis architecture. [For the uninitiated, VCO = 'Voltage-Controlled Oscillator', your sound/pitch source; VCF = 'Voltage-Controlled Filter', usually a Low Pass filter, or a combination or Low Pass and High-Pass. You can think of this as timbre control - how the sound changes, its character); and finally, VCA = Voltage-Controlled Amplifier, which controls the volume, loudness and dynamics of your sound. Any one, or all, of these components may be routed through an Envelope Generator (EG), which creates the shape of the sound across the time. The typical VCA has controls for Attack, Decay, Sustain and Release, hence, EGs are commonly referred to as ADSR, AD, or AR, depending on the type of EG. For more info on synthesizer theory, search the Web for "subtractive synthesis".] So given this type of architecture, it's relatively simple to categorize various stompboxes under each functional relationship: either it's a VCO-, VCF-, or VCA-related effect. My first concept was something like this: Guit.(VCO)--> Pitch-Shifter (sub-oscillator) --> Envelope Filter --> Rex50 (ADSR) --> Amp In the VCO category, the Guitar is the pitch source, with a pitch shifter as a sub-oscillator (commonly found on Roland monosyths). You can also side-chain a stereo chorus or flanger before or after the pitch-shifter to fatten up the sound. In the VCF category, the envelope filter was a crummy Cry Baby Volume/Wah (and an old 7-band Graphic EQ) to control the overall tone and timbre. The Wah allowed realtime parameter tweeking ;). For the VCA section, I used a Yamaha REX50, a little-appreciated multi-effects box with a nifty ADSR patch I used to control the dynamics or the output stage. Another wild and useful patch is the Pan - which behaves like an LFO - also another useful synth-like function. Other "synth design" pedals, like envelope followers, phase shifters, tremelos, etc, add considerable sonic variety to your bag of tricks. Add a patchbay, and you've got a semi-modular psuedo-synth!! :) Adding a looping rig and the noise-making possibilities become mind-boggling. Later, - Larry -----Original Message----- From: legion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: beginner guitar synth questions >> >>> custom sounds and not trying to sound like a bad timpani or saxophone >> >>> player, you'll be much happier! >> >>Ok, that's an intriguing idea which I'm going to have to look into. What >> >>specific analog synths should I check out? > >> we are talking about analog synths here, I don't think a piano player is >> gonna care much about how close the low-pass is to a real minimoog any more >> than he'll care the tone of a timpani :-) It's those analog synth freaks >> you have to watch out for, but people I know seem to really like the >> Waldorf Q: http://www2.waldorf-gmbh.de/products.html > >heh. > >Well I guess at 50+ synths I qualify as an analog synth freak. i also >play guitar (straight acoustic or heavily processed electric) and guitar >synths (Old Roland analog GR series, midi guitar, etc). > >The first question you have to ask your self is do you want to use your >guitar polyphonically (Ie; more than one note as in chords and such) or >for simple leads and monophonic lines. > >Unless you are using a dedicated guitar synth or midi interface all the >effects boxes and analog synths are monophonic. Even the polyphonic >synths will only allow you to play into the filter and such so you're >not playing the synth itself but merely using it as a processor. > >While I agrere the Waldorf Q is an amazing synth that is well of $2500US >and it still will only let you process through it not play it. > >there are a few old analogs with Pitch convertors in them that actually >track the guitar note coming in to oscillators inside the synth and this >might be fun if you're looking to do a lead type thing. The korg MS20 >does this as does thre Roland SVC355. both are rare and very $$ of >course. The Korg X911 "Guitar synth" is a msall box geared