From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:34:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28106; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38445B01.4AE08398@gis.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:17:31 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: re: get a clue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CRuCE2.0.3j5.F5AHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Miko, I feel I must respond to your post. Hey Travis... this is priceless! This man should be given a prize for naivette... David! You can buy mine for $1500... (plus shipping). Supply is much lower than demand at this point in case you're missing some important EDP history.Just an opinion (and we all know eveyone has one). As for that otherpost telling us EDP gouging capitalist pigs to take our offerings elsewhere... Get a clue. When I wrote that post I was reacting to the tone of some previous posts, one of which was yours, that seemed to me to be gloating about how much they could sell their EDP's for. It didn't seem to be in the community spirit that I've read in this list. My opinion, as you so accurately remember. If you're after an EDP, (I'm not, I have one) wouldn't you want to know who's selling them and at what price? No one is selling or buying at your price. Anyone who wants an EDP knows they can go to ebay. I think the one $3000 sale a few months ago distorted some peoples thinking. The average, before and after, is a little more than half of your $1500 asking price, as the recent auction confirms. And in a forum for the discussion of looping? If not, it's you who should go find a new list. I didn't tell anyone to find a new list, I just said that such offers belonged on ebay, not here, and judging from the many positive emails I received, many people agreed with me. Hey! We might even share some tips and tricks and how to possibly fix them if you're nice... But you're not being very, are you? I've been very nice. I tried not to respond to this. I expressed my opinion, as is the norm for newsgroups. I didn't attack anybody, and I'm sorry you felt so offended that you needed to. We're all in this together, and I don't think it's nice for haves to taunt have nots with offers to sell at inflated prices. I joined this list because I'm interested in looping, and I have gotten (and given), lots of tips and tricks and talked to some great people. In fact, (excepting just a couple of recent threads) I've looked forward to reading this list every day. I've also enjoyed some of your helpful posts to people. I'd like to think that you would help someone with EDP problems even if you disagreed with them on something. Anyway, Loop on PS From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:47:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30507; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:47:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:47:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201042809.89406.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:28:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Zw-t3.0.gK6.IGAHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Socialism notices that the ground is wet. He falls and hurts his bum bum. Anarchy licks his paws profusely. Socialism toots his kazoo into a microphone, splitting the signal into 2 different DL-4's and creating Reichian style loops. (For On Topic content.) Anarchy somehow manages to lick the back of his own neck, then licks the back of someone else's neck. The world turns like a wobbly marble. The moral of this story is ...? Just thought I'd share my thoughts. Mr. Tough ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:32:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27022; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:32:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201041349.31792.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tack Piano Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:13:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"GWOJz2.0.oc5.w2AHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is an instrument that works like a music box, but a little larger. The cylinder inside is made of cork-board and you create the 'bumps' by inserting tacks into it. Like a real music box, this instrument also has a metal comb in which the different sprongs create different pitches. You turn the cork-board cylinder with a handle (much like one of those lottery devices...in fact, that's what they often use). The tacks make the sprongs sproing and create music. Of course, this might be an instrument completely different from a "tack piano". That's just what came to mind. You know, it might be that other instrument with the 2 antennae that you play by moving your hands around it.... Mr. Tough >From: "Michael S. Yoder" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Tack Piano >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:05:48 -0600 > >Dear musicians, > >Does anyone know what a "Tack Piano" is? I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance >here. I've seen reference to it twice on liner notes: Weather Report's >"Mysterious Traveler" and the latest release by Stereolab. > >Sorry if this is "off-topic", but it's not as off-topic as all the >socialist-bashing from yesterday! > >Y'all have a great day. > >Best, >Michael >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >Dr. Michael S. Yoder >Assistant Professor of Geography, >Coordinator of Urban Studies >Texas A&M International University >5201 University Blvd. >Laredo, TX 78041 >Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 >Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Nov 30 23:57:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32593; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:57:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:57:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912010452.XAA14165@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:53:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8FKH8.0.Ni7.lcAHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahhh but anarchy is kin to chaos and chaaos is the supreme order...socialism never works because the fat monkies in charge are the one's who get the milk. while the looping mouse engines suck the dirt. i orefer a controlled chaos myself and reich and i gotta say the anarchist has 8 kazoos of all different makes while the socialist has one government issued sad kazoo that sounds like a duck's fart... possibly this means..... ---------- >From: "Mr. Tough" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail >Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 12:28 AM > >Socialism notices that the ground is wet. He falls and hurts his bum bum. >Anarchy licks his paws profusely. Socialism toots his kazoo into a >microphone, splitting the signal into 2 different DL-4's and creating >Reichian style loops. (For On Topic content.) Anarchy somehow manages to >lick the back of his own neck, then licks the back of someone else's neck. >The world turns like a wobbly marble. > >The moral of this story is ...? > >Just thought I'd share my thoughts. > >Mr. Tough > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 00:16:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04687; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:16:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:16:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912010511.AAA01046@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:12:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kOw_K.0.Ep.JuAHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com plus the monkey had to pay 50% sales tax on the one kazoo ---------- >From: "Christopher White" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail >Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 11:53 AM > >ahhh but anarchy is kin to chaos and chaaos is the supreme order...socialism >never works because the fat monkies in charge are the one's who get the >milk. while the looping mouse engines suck the dirt. >i orefer a controlled chaos myself >and reich >and i gotta say the anarchist has 8 kazoos of all different makes while the >socialist has one government issued sad kazoo that sounds like a duck's >fart... >possibly this means..... >---------- >>From: "Mr. Tough" >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink >pussycat with no tail >>Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 12:28 AM >> > >>Socialism notices that the ground is wet. He falls and hurts his bum bum. >>Anarchy licks his paws profusely. Socialism toots his kazoo into a >>microphone, splitting the signal into 2 different DL-4's and creating >>Reichian style loops. (For On Topic content.) Anarchy somehow manages to >>lick the back of his own neck, then licks the back of someone else's neck. >>The world turns like a wobbly marble. >> >>The moral of this story is ...? >> >>Just thought I'd share my thoughts. >> >>Mr. Tough >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 00:05:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01550; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:05:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991130220002.00a29290@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:00:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber In-Reply-To: <00ba01bf3b8b$cc8dc800$04c256d1@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OcM6L.0.NH.vkAHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:36 PM 11/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >Jim Dunlop sells brand new tape cartridges- in the accesories section of >their web site- only for the Echoplex tho- list price is just over 20 bucks- >No idea on the Space Echo tape- I always just cut and spliced my own on my 301, which died an unfortunate death last year. Never had a problem with simple chopping of 1/4" tape, though. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 01:03:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18698; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:03:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:03:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013c01bf3bc1$5be31980$d296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Socialism is newsgroup luna-cy with EDP squabbling . . . Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:00:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"3BXMx1.0.aF4.gaBHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hmmmm . . . this cyclic gobbling of bandwidth phenomena seems to be kicking in again--time of the month ;) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 01:40:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25828; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:40:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:35:41 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: warranty / upgrade X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.72 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LSx_v2.0.B56.08CHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does opening EDP up to upgrade the memory invalidate the warranty..? What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 01:44:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26869; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:44:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:44:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3844C28E.B4CEB26@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:39:10 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cd duplication References: <19991130024721.73869.qmail@hotmail.com> <38446CED.D194D38@jimmygeorgearts.com> <38449ADA.4E2AD0A6@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HVF8J3.0.wJ6.UBCHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cd-r We gave them a cd-pq master. Jerry Tubb at Terra Nova did the mastering. Call her and mention that we sent you! She does not do mastering, but she is a great resource for everything. She has a guy that she works with for DAT to cd duplicating. We looked into getting a cd made from a 90 minute DAT recently. She said he would charge $35-50 to make a cd master. That would include manually separating each song into individual tracks. She has been part of the music scene for a long time and knows lots of people. great lady! tell her we said hi if you call! Melody and Jimmy George Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory wrote: > howdy melody & jimmy - > > were these cd's or cd-r's? i would guess cd-r. > > did you give them a dat? > > did they duplicate or master? > > thanks, > > bobdog > > Jimmy George wrote: > > > We live in Austin and for short run duplication we have used "Lubbock or Leave > > It". They are very reasonably priced, quick and professional. Pricing varies > > with length of cd and number of copies.Our most recent cd was 43 minutes and it > > cost $7.50 each for three. It drops a lot for more than 10. Talk to Barbara. > > 512-302-9024. > > > > Melody Taylor and Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 01:52:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28543; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:52:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8f40b47f.25761e94@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:47:48 EST Subject: Tack Piano Definitive answer with looping to boot! Continued...woops! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA27963 Resent-Message-ID: <"srH0j3.0.Br6.JJCHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have one....it has a handle on the front that you pull (like an old manual choke on a car!) that lowers a bar with leather straps (about 4" long) with metal clips on the bottom. A recent cool use of one by a guy I work with that is worth checking out Ben Folds Five - The Unauthorized Biography of … The songs "Mess", and Hospital" are the most obvious. He made one using a 5'2" Baldwin Grand Piano. Anyway, we looped it using an Mpc2000 on "Fear Of Pop" (a side project he did with a guest appearance by William Shatner! oops I get Trekkies and Loopers mixed up all the time) LOOPING...on topic ;) He also uses it on stage as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 01:46:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27231; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:46:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b114ee7b.25761d3e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:42:06 EST Subject: Re: Tack Piano Definitive answer with looping to boot! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA26166 Resent-Message-ID: <"iDTm3.0.9P6.zDCHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have one....it has a handle on the front that you pull (like an old manual choke on a car!) that lowers a bar with leather straps (about 4" long) with metal clips on the bottom. A recent cool use of one by a guy I work with that is worth checking out Ben Folds Five - The Unauthorized Biography of … He mde one using a %' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 02:11:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32546; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 02:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 02:11:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d9bc888.257622ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 02:05:16 EST Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"l9QJ_1.0.Wh7.lZCHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Along with what many have said about features/versatility/options all being cool, as a week-long owner of a DL-4 I have to add that this thing SOUNDS great - just the actual quality of the timbres passing through it is really beautiful, I don't know how else to put it. I'm hooked...can't wait for the other two, if this one's that good. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 03:34:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14907; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:34:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:34:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:29:11 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: warranty / upgrade In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8qcA2.0.ZR3.XoDHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:35 PM -0800 11/30/99, sock s wrote: >Does opening EDP up to upgrade the memory invalidate the warranty..? > no. or if it does it's never been enforced. they don't mind about installing software upgrades either. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 03:32:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14245; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:32:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:32:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:26:20 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 1 million hits In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"Qq7JE2.0.tN3.XmDHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com haha, that's funny neal. BTW, the homeless scavenger guys were thrilled to get all your mint SWR cabinets and the classic Ricky bass you left here. kim At 6:12 PM -0800 11/30/99, Neal Trembath wrote: >(How many of those hits are Kim?) --Sometimes he'd try not looking at it >for a whole day, and then looking at it. > >N > >On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > >> Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website >> had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! >> >> I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this >> 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a >> day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 04:08:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20661; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:08:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:08:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3844E451.1AC95405@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 03:03:13 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 1 million hits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h1Dev1.0.uw4.TIEHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think i like it ... Kim Flint wrote: > haha, that's funny neal. BTW, the homeless scavenger guys were thrilled to > get all your mint SWR cabinets and the classic Ricky bass you left here. > > kim > > At 6:12 PM -0800 11/30/99, Neal Trembath wrote: > >(How many of those hits are Kim?) --Sometimes he'd try not looking at it > >for a whole day, and then looking at it. > > > >N > > > >On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > > > >> Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > >> had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > >> > >> I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this > >> 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a > >> day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 04:07:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20536; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:07:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3844E431.194B7C81@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 03:02:41 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 1 million hits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BqW7c2.0.fv4.-HEHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YOUR A POLICE MAN! Kim Flint wrote: > haha, that's funny neal. BTW, the homeless scavenger guys were thrilled to > get all your mint SWR cabinets and the classic Ricky bass you left here. > > kim > > At 6:12 PM -0800 11/30/99, Neal Trembath wrote: > >(How many of those hits are Kim?) --Sometimes he'd try not looking at it > >for a whole day, and then looking at it. > > > >N > > > >On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > > > >> Well, we finally crossed that big milestone. The Looper's Delight website > >> had it's 1 millionth page-hit sometime last week! > >> > >> I, for one, am amazed. Never expected anything like it when I started this > >> 3 years ago. These days the site gets anywhere from 4000 to 7000 hits a > >> day, so I guess 2 million will come quite a bit quicker. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 04:12:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21557; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:12:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991201030808.00808b10@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 03:08:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom S Subject: Love The DL-4! In-Reply-To: <0.d9bc888.257622ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"O6zMn.0.I35.CMEHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Another satisfied DL-4 customer. I got mine from Elderly Music for $235 (kudos to them for being great to deal with over the phone AND getting the unit here two days ahead of the projected arrival time). My looping equipment is a lone Echoplex (looking forward to that MusicYo model :-o ), as well as the Vortex faux-looper. Given those two devices as a sonic benchmark, I'd have to say that the DL-4 is certainly equal in sound quality to either of them. Whether being used a looper or a delay (or a delayed signal fed into the looper---a great extra ability of the pedal), sound quality is excellent. Bonus: stereo! If this unit were just a looper, I'd say it's close to being worth the price. Add in the delays, and it's just an outstanding buy. While I'm completely at home with the looper functionality (pretty easy to learn), I'm still having a blast playing around with the delay functions. All told, I'd say this is a very easy to use unit, and the manual is well-written as well. The stomp switches work fine, the unit is built to last forever, and there are lots of little extras that make you go "Ohh, I'm glad I got this thing". Definitely will tide you over until the next shipment of Echoplexes arrive from Pluto! Tom ths@interaccess.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 07:10:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18314; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:10:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912011205.EAA20761@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 06:05:08 -0600 Subject: Live Looping in Austin, TX 12/5/99 From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FU46H2.0.0E4.OyGHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you in the Central Texas area: Futura, an improvisational trio (guitar, bass, DJ) will be performing this Sunday (12/5/99) on KUT (90.5 FM) between 8 and 9PM on "LiveSet". There will be loops aplenty. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Futura -- Futura mp3s available from: www.rollingstone.com www.mp3.com Futura CD's can now be ordered on the web from: https://order.kagi.com/ The Futura Collective 4107-A Speedway Austin, TX 78751 512.451.5885 futura@fringware.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 07:12:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18669; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:12:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:12:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38450CD2.6FDB2D3F@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:56:02 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jamman trick - c'est trés cool References: <002c01bf3bac$190f25a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bEged3.0.0I4.X-GHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ok ok, i'm working on it - if i get it together maybe i'll make some realaudio out of it. i'm trying to get this running smoothly while i play drums. the midi implementation on the jamman is sorta anachronistic (i.e. uses prog-chg's instead of controller messages), but it works. maybe by this weekend (i shouldn't promise though) ... later, rob Clifford Novey schrieb: > > > Let's hear it! > > C From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 07:11:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18472; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384508C3.3DBF45A@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:38:43 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VA9lv2.0.wG4.O-GHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just to add to the list: the mx3282a from (gulp) behringer has 8 AUXSENDS! this for the same price as the mackie 1604 ... the mx2442a from said company has 6 auxsends and is even cheaper yet. lbnl: mx2642a with 4 auxsends and cheap as dirt! fwiw, rob David Myers schrieb: > > > >ive spent alot of time browsing David Myers page (pulsewidth)this weekend and > >have taken a keen interest in this idea > >this have the fun time i had last week taking the out from my stereo > >delay/reverb pedal back into the input and getting a world of sounds(then > >again, that pedal is broken anyhow so it makes a world of sounds on its own) > >what sort of commercial mixers(pref rack mountable)come close to the ideal > >matrix? > >i suppose just lots of aux and routing capabilities? > > > >rodrigo > > >i think mr. myers was using custom equipment, no? > > > >later, > >rob > > Using a commercial mixer can open up some additional possibilities for > matrixing, like having EQ on every channel, but the problem is in finding > one with more than two aux sends at a good price. As far as I can see, the > Mackie 1604 is about as cheap as you can go to get 4 sends, pretty much a > minimum in my book for real Feedback Music. > > Building a small mixer is the way to go; not long ago I made a mono mixer > with seven channels and seven sends, which is very useful. But be warned > that building mixers is a boring, seemingly thankless task. Until you get > feedbackin, that is! It's simple, if you can bear it--see Craig Anderton's > Electronic Projects for Musicians. Good luck. > > David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 07:19:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20221; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:15:36 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"VCmTe2.0.Xl4.r5HHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Using a commercial mixer can open up some additional possibilities for >matrixing, like having EQ on every channel, but the problem is in finding >one with more than two aux sends at a good price. It seams that those programmable matrix mixers would be ideal. About two were mentioned under Spacial Sound. I also recall a Akai MB76 1HE MIDI controlled mixer that was pretty cheap then and must be totally cheap now. It has 8 inputs and 8 outputs! Its not noise free, but cheap delays are not either... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 07:12:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18491; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:12:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:12:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384509EB.B58A3F10@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:43:39 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback matrix loops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sel7f3.0.MH4.R-GHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just wondering: i've been experimenting with 4x4 feedback matrices in audiomulch. to create my sounds i've been using granulators, phasers, flangers and decimators in the signal paths. now the question: can anybody suggest some other interesting configurations? that is to say, without giving away any personal trade secrets ... thanks, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 09:16:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09620; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:16:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:06:12 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <001c01bf3c05$6a6e9bc0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cO52G1.0.422.jnIHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where can I get a copy? ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Madson To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 3:48 PM Subject: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... > That would be a Kalimba. And Steve Tibbets, renowned Minnesota > looper/guitarist/composer has used them a lot on his recordings. > > I'd check out "Safe Journey" if you want some mindblowing, wild > stuff....groundbreaking heavy rock jams culminating in eerie, > drifty chiming loops, pastoral acoustic guitar with rumbling > and dense loops underneath, field recordings, crazed distortion > guitar, eerie atmospheres. Probably one of my top ten of all > time just for the variety and the fact that this one goes from > a whisper to a scream to an out of body experience. > > BUY IT! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 09:40:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13878; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:40:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:16:21 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <006201bf3c06$a48df3e0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <0.d9bc888.257622ac@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qKnB_1.0.AZ2.hvIHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What do you mean "other 2"? Are newer models coming out? George ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:05 AM Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 > Along with what many have said about features/versatility/options all being > cool, as a week-long owner of a DL-4 I have to add that this thing SOUNDS > great - just the actual quality of the timbres passing through it is really > beautiful, I don't know how else to put it. I'm hooked...can't wait for the > other two, if this one's that good. > > Ken R > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 10:00:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18073; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:00:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:00:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3845368F.C6419BEF@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:54:07 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 References: <0.d9bc888.257622ac@aol.com> <006201bf3c06$a48df3e0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XyaHE1.0.g34.tPJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com George McConnell wrote: > > What do you mean "other 2"? Are newer models coming out? I think he means the distortion and modulation pedals. I tried out the DL-4 yesterday - I'm picking one up this afternoon. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 10:20:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22756; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:20:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:20:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201145839.18027.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.83] From: "tony moore" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: edp upgrade and other q's Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:58:39 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"719Cg2.0.iN4.PVJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks, it's me, the fool that bought the $820 edp on ebay last week :-) considering i sold my jamman for $650 and upgraded to an edp with full memory upgrades and foot contoller for less than $200, i'm happy and INFORMED. fwiw, i've had an edp on order from zzounds.com (and elsewhere :-) for about 8 months now. ok, that's out of the way... *please feel free to pmail me off list if these q's have been historically redundant* i understand my edp has software version 3.2. can anyone tell me if it's possible to upgrade? advantages? i can't get an answer out of gibson. yes, i've called and emailed for about a week with no response :-) i've read something of kim selling some type of upgrade. any more details on this? i'm hoping to midi synch with fellow looper and ex-loop listee ric hordinski of monk (http://monkmusic.com)(i play bass in monk) so that our loops are in time with each other. has anyone has had any experience doing this? any tips? btw, ric is an endorser for the edp and can't get any kind of response concerning the edp either! thanks! tony http://monkmusic.com http://bluejordan.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 10:26:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24245; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:26:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:26:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38452D73.555AEDC7@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 07:15:18 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Socialism is a fat monkey on a sunny day.Anarchy is a pink pussycat with no tail References: <19991201042809.89406.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"Jhf8C3.0.KF5.siJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Socialism notices that the ground is wet. He falls and hurts his bum bum. > Anarchy licks his paws profusely. Socialism toots his kazoo into a > microphone, splitting the signal into 2 different DL-4's and creating > Reichian style loops. (For On Topic content.) Anarchy somehow manages to > lick the back of his own neck, then licks the back of someone else's neck. > The world turns like a wobbly marble. > > The moral of this story is ...? > > Just thought I'd share my thoughts. > > Mr. Tough > Mr. Tough, Did you lick a little picture of Snoopy before you wrote that? Either way, it would make a great title for an Adrian Belew instrumental. -- Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist mark@cdm.sfai.edu (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 Center For Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute 800 Chestnut St. San Francisco, CA 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 10:06:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19983; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:06:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:06:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991201085054.008593e0@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:50:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Line6 DL-4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991130124602.007f1a70@pop3.argotech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IKU_x2.0.W64.ZRJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi DL-4 owners: Would you be so kind, please, as to check and see where the unit is manufactured? I try to purchase products whenever possible that are made in countries with decent labor laws (ex: the Boomerang is made in the U.S.; the EDP was too). Thanks. Michael. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 10:31:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25239; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:31:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:31:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b918ef5c.257696ff@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:21:35 EST Subject: Re: edp upgrade and other q's To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"S_AnY1.0.Fm5.-qJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for saying something, Tony. Glad you're satisfied. As far as the upgrade, Kim or Matthias may know something more definitive, but there is/was an upgrade available for $45 -- sorry I can't direct you to the specific website, but I found it a week ago thru Loopers Delight links. Perhaps try using the meta-search engine www.askjeeves.com. He almost always finds me info that i'm looking for. Cheers, David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 11:56:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12840; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:56:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:56:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:39:40 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: reeeeaalyy lon echooo X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.219 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vXzV53.0.0F2.B-KHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list: I have heard (read) a lot about the echoplex and the really long delay times. I do recall a review in keyboard a couple of years ago about an echoplex update that had up to 2 hpours of delay. maybe this is the one you are talking about. even if not what is the use of an echo that is longer than say 30 seconds. I have dd-5 and its a great little box so im thinking if " a delay has two seconds of delay then of i ran Elvis 'dont be cruel' through it , then just as the sing is mostly over the delay would start from the beginning". Im just trying to get my head around that kind of echo. I notice mst people on this list play guitar through phrase samplers . I use a keyboard in hip hop style so guess theres some kinf\d of u2 like use for this. -- On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:00:59 the Reverend Rob wrote: >At 03:36 PM 11/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Jim Dunlop sells brand new tape cartridges- in the accesories section of >>their web site- only for the Echoplex tho- list price is just over 20 bucks- >>No idea on the Space Echo tape- > >I always just cut and spliced my own on my 301, which died an unfortunate >death last year. Never had a problem with simple chopping of 1/4" tape, >though. > >== >the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 >http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music > > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 11:43:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10001; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:43:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriswv1@aol.com Message-ID: <0.47955c39.2576a43c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:18:04 EST Subject: Re: Oh yeah, thumb piano.....looping... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ocT53.0.Yz.8gKHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 11:58:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13683; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:58:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:49:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Drum machines In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9H42y.0.am2.a6LHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine also). Thanks for any help Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 12:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15201; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:52:49 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, paulsull@gis.net Subject: Re: re: get a clue Resent-Message-ID: <"3WMGE.0.J33.qALHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > When I wrote that post I was reacting to the tone of some previous posts, one of which was yours, that seemed to me to be gloating about how much they could sell their EDP's for. It didn't seem to be in the community spirit that I've read in this list. My opinion, as you so accurately remember. Who are you to know whether I'm gloating or not? Community spirit is to offer what you have at the value you think it's worth to your friends and community FIRST... then tell the rest of the world. You have no idea what an EDP is worth to ME... Don't try to read my mind and don't assume I'm gloating and being mean spirited when I'm in fact stating EXACTLY what my intentions are and following through. If you're feelings are hurt or you're offended by my price tough luck. You want us all to walk on eggshells here. > No one is selling or buying at your price. Anyone who wants an EDP knows they can go to ebay. I think the one $3000 sale a few months ago distorted some peoples thinking. The average, before and after, is a little more than half of your $1500 asking price, as the recent auction confirms. And you're still not respecting my choice to attach a personal value to MY EDP. Buy a cheaper one... you're a free citizen. > I didn't tell anyone to find a new list, I just said that such offers belonged on ebay, not here, and judging from the many positive emails I received, many people agreed with me. Once again... I always offer here first in a COMMUNITY SPIRIT. Maybe this time my price is a little higher than others.... Who are you to tell me what my shit is worth?! There are quite a number of people who have purchased items from me very willingly and are still happy. If there's consensus that we not offer items for sale here, I'd like to hear it stated as policy. You read a lot of feeling and animosity into a simple statement of price and value... Maybe your skin is a little thin. > I've been very nice. I tried not to respond to this. I expressed my opinion, as is the norm for newsgroups. I didn't attack anybody, and I'm sorry you felt so offended that you needed to. Your response was to label my price a "taunt" and decide my spirit in this process was "offensive". You're the one jumping to conclusions. Wake up. If you don't like my price don't buy. Maybe even email me offline and ask what the hell I'm really up to. You make comments in public about the nature of my activity, I respond in public. But I'm getting sick of the whining about who's mean and who's unfair in this group. Fucking babies... > We're all in this together, and I don't think it's nice for haves to taunt have nots with offers to sell at inflated prices. AGAIN... YOU'RE ASSUMING YOU KNOW MY INTENTIONS AND INNER WORKINGS. YOU DO NOT! WHEN YOU SAY YOU DO, YOU OPEN YOUSELF TO REBUFF FROM OTHERS TRYING TO DO HONEST BUSINESS WITH THEIR FRIENDS FIRST.... > I joined this list because I'm interested in looping, and I have gotten (and given), lots of tips and tricks and talked to some great people. In fact, (excepting just a couple of recent threads) I've looked forward to reading this list every day. I've also enjoyed some of your helpful posts to people. I'd like to think that you would help someone with EDP problems even if you disagreed with them on something. Anyway, Fucking wonderful.... You'll certainly see my for sale posts and activity in the future. -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 12:58:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26627; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:58:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:58:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:44:16 -0600 Subject: FS: Headrush $150 (Harmony Central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iZy9v1.0.cp5.cwLHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cool Effects Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: (All are near mint with papers and boxes) $150 Akai HeadRush ( http://www.akai.com/akaipro/products/guitarSP.html#E1 ) $50 Dunlop "Original" Cry Baby ( http://www.jimdunlop.com/electronics/wahs.html ) $40 EH Big Muff Pi (Black RI) Seller: Marc Ahlfs, (916) 315-3506 E-mail: marc@happybob.com (Profile) Location: ROCKLIN, CA Post Date: 11/30/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 12:40:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22777; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:40:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:40:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE7D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: shameless loop promotion - - semi on-topic!! Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:26:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"JBRqo3.0.on4.IgLHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow Stig, Sounds great and even on topic. Any chance you guy will play near DC? patrick ** not in the foreseeable future, maybe somewhere down the line . . . and imagine that, me on topic (almost). stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 13:09:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29413; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:09:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:09:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:57:01 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Line6 Delay/Looper Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VgjEZ2.0.xU6.Y6MHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (1) does it actually loop for more than a few seconds? I'd heard rumors it only looped for short amounts of time and that the 14 second mode was for a sampler (i.e. non looper). dispell please! (2) stereo? really? (3) audio specs please? (4) your impressions. thanks. P.S. those who wanted to know about "Safe Journey" by Steve Tibbets need only consult the nearest retailer of ECM product. ECM is the label he's on at present and is the label that "Safe Journey" is on. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 14:03:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09411; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:03:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:03:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: Subject: "LIVE MODE" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:49:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <384137FC.50E177BF@bellsouth.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ObYk63.0.5t1.rwMHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi loopers! The Kurzweil samplers K2500/2600 have "LIVE MODE" in them. My question is: is it possible to have "LIVE MODE" as a separate unit or even as a computer soft, for i use a Gigasampler(the best!!!) and i don't want to buy Kurzweil only because it has "LIVE MODE" in it. Thanks a lot: Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 13:31:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02337; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:31:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:40:47 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp upgrade and other q's In-reply-to: <19991201145839.18027.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KJxDe3.0.v67.JFMHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:58 AM -0800 12/1/99, tony moore wrote: >i understand my edp has software version 3.2. can anyone tell me if it's >possible to upgrade? advantages? The LoopIIIv5.0 upgrade for the echoplex is readily available. Aurisis Research now sells it direct, for $45, same as Gibson always charged. Send email to upgrade@aurisis.com to get more info. We ship them out about as soon as we get the check, so there is not much delay. In case you don't know, Aurisis is the developer of Loop, which we license to Gibson as the Echoplex Digital Pro. The company is owned by Matthias, myself and our usually silent partner Eric. LoopIII is the generation that is the echoplex, version 5.0 came out about 2 years ago and made a ton of improvements over v3.2. LoopI and LoopII were the earlier generations for the classic Paradis LoopDelay. We are currently working on LoopIV, the next generation of loop mania. That one will also be available as an upgrade for exiting EDP users, and add lots of cool new stuff to the echoplex. We don't publish features or release dates, so you'll just have to live with the usual LD rumor and speculation for that one. :-) Info about the upgrade and other news is on the Looper's Delight echoplex page, so be sure to check there too: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and there's the aurisis page: http://www.aurisis.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 13:30:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02231; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:30:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991201131328.00a35660@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:21:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Re: Drum machines In-Reply-To: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SIJ.0.z4.JTMHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the Alesis SR16, It usually sells for about $250-$275 but it's pretty good for a little home-studio thing. The features are good,..the ease of use is excellent and it's sound quality is good. The only draw-back (in my opionion) is the drum sounds are a bit dated. (I think the machine is like 5 or 6 years old now) But it's got all your basic sounds and again,..for somewhat simple stuff it works good for me. At 11:49 AM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > Hi there, > >I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and >I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, >etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine >also). > >Thanks for any help > >Kevin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** "GET DOWN WITH FUNKYTOWN" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 14:33:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16467; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:33:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:33:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <034201bf3c30$1a7d9dc0$8929e9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: Re: Drum machines Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:10:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EuWm23.0.DA3.7JNHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, What's interresting in drum machines are the sounds (of course) but also the outputs!!! Alesis SR16 (but it's old, you will find it second hand only, normally) is a GOOD stuff. 4 outputs!!! I use one, it's easy to learn and punchy to program via pads (sensitivity of the pads is surely VERY USEFUL TOO)... or alesis D4 Newer? Try Yamaha RY20 or Boss DR770 (or older dr220) or try on softs (ok you don't have the sensivity of working on a small engine)... More money, buy roland 707, 808 or 909 (depends of what you need). Double use? Buy a synth with drum parts (I've got the classic Korg X5D and I've a TIMPANI inside, wow, helllllllll, devilish...) ... but it's a synth AND THE FEEL/SENSITIVITY IS VERY IMPORTANT... For softs, it depends of the computer you use... Laurent P.S.: Personally I'm Atari based and sr16 is a good solution (don't need more). -----Message d'origine----- De : Kevin Cheli-Colando À : Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date : mercredi 1 décembre 1999 17:48 Objet : Drum machines > Hi there, > >I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and >I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, >etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine >also). > >Thanks for any help > >Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 14:31:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16004; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:31:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:31:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201191958.38602.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.67.1] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "LIVE MODE" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:19:58 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ueCj3.0.QJ3.OKNHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all, i'm not too familiar with the capabilities of the kurz, but you may want to investigate reaktor as a soft alternative to (almost) realtime sampling/resynthesis: www.native-instruments.com matt >From: "Tiit Kikas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: "LIVE MODE" >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:49:26 +0200 > >Hi loopers! > >The Kurzweil samplers K2500/2600 have "LIVE MODE" in them. >My question is: is it possible to have "LIVE MODE" as a separate unit or >even as a computer soft, for i use a Gigasampler(the best!!!) and i don't >want to buy Kurzweil only because it has "LIVE MODE" in it. > >Thanks a lot: >Tiit Kikas >tkikas@yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 14:28:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15001; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:28:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: g716@hotmail.com Message-ID: <19991201190634.83145.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: Line6 DL4 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"LDSRe3.0.bX2.s7NHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the obvious: Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? The last one (EDP's last winter) worked well from a price perspective -- at least while supplies lasted. We could always use Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 dealer as I bought my POD from them. What say ye? Greg out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 14:32:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16208; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:32:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991201191426.17169.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.57] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:14:26 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"XmCO71.0.G13.CFNHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for responding Cliff, Does any on have Jim Dunlops email address??? I'd like to get the "fantastic echoplex" echo chamber(that's what they call it) tape cartrige.Thanks, papa dave Om and Out >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:36:02 -0800 > >Jim Dunlop sells brand new tape cartridges- in the accesories section of >their web site- only for the Echoplex tho- list price is just over 20 >bucks- >No idea on the Space Echo tape- > >Cliff >-----Original Message----- >From: David Potter >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 3:21 PM >Subject: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber > > > >These two items have been idle in my studio for some time. I'm wondering >if > >there are replacement tape cartriges that could be found anywhere for >either > >or both of these dinosaurs. They both work but need to be rigged with >new > >tape. Is there a museum?Any help would be appreciated. Om and Out, Papa > >Dave > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 15:20:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26779; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:20:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:20:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:41:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: "LIVE MODE" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zrs711.0.Pn4.riNHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The Kurzweil samplers K2500/2600 have "LIVE MODE" in them. >My question is: is it possible to have "LIVE MODE" as a separate unit or >even as a computer soft, for i use a Gigasampler(the best!!!) and i don't >want to buy Kurzweil only because it has "LIVE MODE" in it. The answer is no. It's written for their proprietary hardware and is one of the big selling points of their box... which is splendid, I have it (though it's in the shop now waiting for the effects board, waiting for a long time so far...) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 15:46:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01317; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:46:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:46:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:34:05 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP auction on eBay... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id PAA30842 Resent-Message-ID: <"twhLV.0.KY7.2QOHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK kids... I've had about enough dickering and bickering about the fantabulous EDP. I'm in love with many of it's features, but just not giddy enough to keep it... I'm going into Korg DL8000r - TC D-Two - Line6 DL4 land... just ordered the DL4! If and when there's another issue of the EDP and I can with two in stereo, I'll consider then if it will be my looping preference. It's a 7 day auction with a minimum bid of $750... about what I paid for it with the foot controller. Best to all... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 16:10:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06860; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991201155305.00ae5db0@tcb6.mail.yale.edu> X-Sender: tcb6@tcb6.mail.yale.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:56:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Thad Brown Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 In-Reply-To: <006201bf3c06$a48df3e0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> References: <0.d9bc888.257622ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"VLAVx1.0.GB1.EpOHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know of one other pedal that shares the same chassis and some of the same features (stereo I/O, cv input, etc.). Its a modulation pedal that they are pitching as something that can emulate a bunch of different pedals, mostly the usual suspects, Phase 90, Uni-Vibe, CE-1 and so on. My old Phase 90 just gave up a few months ago, so I'm thinking of one if it can do that sound and some other stuff as well. If it will do an auto-panning phase shifter across the stereo outs so I can run it to two amps, it's a deal. TCB At 09:16 AM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >What do you mean "other 2"? Are newer models coming out? > >George >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:05 AM >Subject: Re: Line 6 DL-4 > > > > Along with what many have said about features/versatility/options all >being > > cool, as a week-long owner of a DL-4 I have to add that this thing SOUNDS > > great - just the actual quality of the timbres passing through it is >really > > beautiful, I don't know how else to put it. I'm hooked...can't wait for >the > > other two, if this one's that good. > > > > Ken R > > Thad Brown www.xlr8yourmac.com/audio tcb@caliban.grendelnet.com Life is too short to play with bad drummers . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 16:00:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04122; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:00:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:44:44 -0600 Subject: DL-4 $198 price? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AUpu43.0.YP.ScOHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And what happened to the guy that quoted the $198 price on a DL-4? The catalog price I've seen is $249 plus $20 for the AC adaptor. Was the low price a misprint, if not, where are they being sold for that price? TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 16:07:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06348; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:07:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:56:57 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Line6 DL4 Group Buy? Cc: g716@hotmail.com Resent-Message-ID: <"o5h7V.0.Uu.tkOHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I'd be interested, I'd also like to ask fellow list members where they've found the best pricing on this unit. Thanks- Mark >I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the >obvious: > >Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? The last one (EDP's last >winter) worked well from a price perspective -- at least while supplies >lasted. We could always use Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 >dealer as I bought my POD from them. > >What say ye? > >Greg out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 16:24:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10232; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:24:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:24:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991201140840.009de1a0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:14:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: reeeeaalyy lon echooo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vnaY82.0.Tx1.00PHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:39 AM 12/1/99 -0800, mark givens wrote: > even if not what is the use of an echo that >is longer than say 30 seconds. One of my favorite loop toys while it lasted was an old absolutely trashed EP-3 with the record head fried; I'd turn it on at the beginning of a show and let it roll, and after about 20 minutes it degenerated into brilliant white noise with a semblance of character. This was with the stock 3 minute tape cartridge, ad I absolutely loved the thing. The big use for massive delay length is for "non-standard" music, although I'm there are a few people who would argue otherwise. :) >Im just trying to get my head around that kind >of echo. Get yourself an old answering machine loop tape; they're usually about 15-30 sec depending on manufacturer. Record on it. Hit play. Start wanking with your instrument(s) of choice. Don't try to get your head around it at first; just let your fingers do it. >I notice mst people on this list play guitar through phrase >samplers . I run EVERYTHING through my rack, be it vocals, guitar, gods know what, cable taps, childrens toys et al. >I use a keyboard in hip hop style so guess theres some kinf\d >of u2 like use for this. Far more than U2-like use; one of my favorite toys is my RDS 3.6 set at 3600 ms with the sweep filters on. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:23:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24512; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:23:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38459CEF.20F6AA30@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:10:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL-4 $198 price? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Sz-yN3.0.NC5.NpPHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > > And what happened to the guy that quoted the $198 price on a DL-4? The > catalog price I've seen is $249 plus $20 for the AC adaptor. Was the low > price a misprint, if not, where are they being sold for that price? > > TH I got mine this afternoon for $235 including the AC adaptor. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:21:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24119; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:21:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:21:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: reeeeaalyy lon echooo Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:10:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991201140840.009de1a0@realm-of-shade.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ZTIFg3.0.pz4.xmPHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like gigantic reverb presets with no dry out, and no initial reflections, set really long and really low, for the same effect. It picks up the general tone of whats been played in, but so quiet that you can only hear it when the instrument cuts out. -----Original Message----- From: the Reverend Rob [mailto:reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 1:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: reeeeaalyy lon echooo At 08:39 AM 12/1/99 -0800, mark givens wrote: > even if not what is the use of an echo that >is longer than say 30 seconds. One of my favorite loop toys while it lasted was an old absolutely trashed EP-3 with the record head fried; I'd turn it on at the beginning of a show and let it roll, and after about 20 minutes it degenerated into brilliant white noise with a semblance of character. This was with the stock 3 minute tape cartridge, ad I absolutely loved the thing. The big use for massive delay length is for "non-standard" music, although I'm there are a few people who would argue otherwise. :) >Im just trying to get my head around that kind >of echo. Get yourself an old answering machine loop tape; they're usually about 15-30 sec depending on manufacturer. Record on it. Hit play. Start wanking with your instrument(s) of choice. Don't try to get your head around it at first; just let your fingers do it. >I notice mst people on this list play guitar through phrase >samplers . I run EVERYTHING through my rack, be it vocals, guitar, gods know what, cable taps, childrens toys et al. >I use a keyboard in hip hop style so guess theres some kinf\d >of u2 like use for this. Far more than U2-like use; one of my favorite toys is my RDS 3.6 set at 3600 ms with the sweep filters on. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:22:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24293; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:22:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384590D3.3125@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:19:15 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Gropu buy??? References: <19991201190634.83145.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uHt8j.0.Oz4.smPHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com g716@hotmail.com wrote: > > I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the > obvious: > > Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? The last one (EDP's last > winter) worked well from a price perspective -- at least while supplies > lasted. We could always use Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 > dealer as I bought my POD from them. I think this is a great idea and I'll do what I can to see it take off. The only real question is what kind of discount can they give on a $225 pedal? Tehn again anything is better than nothing I guess and at least Line6 is planning to push them for a while so who knows... ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:23:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24540; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:23:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:23:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38459E27.4AC0BF8E@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:16:07 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Line6 Delay/Looper Questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7B9wm.0.AY5.YuPHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Todd Madson wrote: > > (1) does it actually loop for more than a few seconds? I'd heard > rumors it only looped for short amounts of time and that the 14 > second mode was for a sampler (i.e. non looper). dispell please! 14 sec loop, although I haven't spent enough time with it. > (2) stereo? really? Oh yeah. > > (3) audio specs please? There are pdf manuals at the manufacturers web site: http://www.line6.com/ > (4) your impressions. I tried on yesterday for about 20 min. I was excited enough to go back and get one this afternoon. I would have picked one up yesterday except I didn't want to carry it around NYC all night. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29562; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: mars Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:33:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"6IrMx2.0.hf6.SAQHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for landing on the Red Planet on Friday, is a tiny, $15 microphone, the same kind found in hearing aids. It will capture the first sounds heard from another planet — the hum of the probe’s machinery, the soft whistling of wind, the patter of sand grains hitting solar panels. guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer dats ready . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:26:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06082; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:26:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991201171457.0094f100@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:14:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Drum machines In-Reply-To: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y9s6P2.0.351.zpQHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:49 AM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > Hi there, > >I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and >I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, >etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine >also). > >Thanks for any help > >Kevin The Zoom 123 is GREAT!!! Best, Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:29:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06779; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:29:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:29:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:22:47 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Subject: Re: TC D-Two Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id SAA05653 Resent-Message-ID: <"RWhXR3.0.ZO1.2uQHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> David Kirkdorffer 12/01 3:01 PM >>> Tell us more about this one! I'm very curious indeed!!!! David Kirkdorffer Hi David... I've been ranting about this one for awhile now and it's probably going to hit the streets now pretty soon. It's a new TC Electronic "budget" box. Ten seconds stereo delay, with reverse on the fly and a hold function. It also has ducking, chorus/flange, supposedly a whole slew of multitap functions and MIDI. Simon at TC said list price was going to be $599 and street around $400, but apparently people are already showing list to be $699 and I guess in one catalog it's been listed at THAT price... I'm waiting for Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland, CA to get their shipment and I'll talk with them about it. I'm going to try this one before I buy. Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:49:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10767; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:49:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:49:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <384461F6.4326@together.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:47:02 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber References: <19991130223232.65995.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kKkTX3.0.VJ2.7ARHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've replaced loops on my Roland SRE-555 tape echo by cutting a piece of tape the length of the old loop. Thread it through the pinch roller into the bin, turn the thing on to spool the tape in and around and splice it. I've never seen inside a 201 but it might work. Cheap too. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:40:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09053; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:40:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:40:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <384590D3.3125@voicenet.com> References: <19991201190634.83145.qmail@hotmail.com> <384590D3.3125@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:29:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Gropu buy??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"9K8X-1.0.ix1.13RHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I think this is a great idea and I'll do what I can to see it take off. >The only real question is what kind of discount can they give on a $225 >pedal? I agree... my guess is that the "play" is around $20 a pedal, not enough to really be worth it really. But, if we all glom onto the lowest price store we can at least guarantee a nice low price without haggling... /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:48:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10671; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:48:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <3844537C.408E@together.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:45:16 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tack Piano References: <005c01bf3b78$300f8120$4c964e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V6JPD.0.wI2.x9RHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stick thumbtacks in your piano's hammers and you'll be honky-tonking your way to a completely ruined set of hammers when you decide to take them out. Piano hammers are made of tightly compressed layered felt that's bent around a wood molding, so at the strike point the layers are very tightly .packed. Anything that breaks through the felt will change the tone the hammers achieve. Voicing is done by careful insertion of fine needles around and on the strike point, usually not very deep. A tack will instantly destroy the hammer, and replacement is not cheap. Only recommended for pianos with hammers deemed dead already from wear and age. There are kits available for upright pianos that consist of a rod with 88 cloth strips hanging from it. The strips have metal tabs in them and can be lowered between the hammers and the strings. The hammer hits the cloth, the metal hits the string, and the effect is essentially the same as the thumbtack method. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 17:50:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30881; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:50:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:44:28 -0600 Subject: DL-4 $235 price? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38459CEF.20F6AA30@virtulink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IBSb73.0.yE7.1KQHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Where? TH > > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> And what happened to the guy that quoted the $198 price on a DL-4? The >> catalog price I've seen is $249 plus $20 for the AC adaptor. Was the low >> price a misprint, if not, where are they being sold for that price? >> >> TH > > I got mine this afternoon for $235 including the AC adaptor. > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:56:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12718; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:56:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:56:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:41:56 -0600 Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Group buy??? From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-f5_h3.0.Rd2.NFRHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, technically it's a $349 pedal (list), so most places are starting with a 30% discount. Store cost is probably about $170 or so.. TH > >> I think this is a great idea and I'll do what I can to see it take off. >> The only real question is what kind of discount can they give on a $225 >> pedal? > > I agree... my guess is that the "play" is around $20 a pedal, not > enough to really be worth it really. > > But, if we all glom onto the lowest price store we can at least > guarantee a nice low price without haggling... > > /t > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 18:59:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12965; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:59:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009c01bf3c57$991b7cc0$ddca56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Gropu buy??? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:55:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"pCMNj3.0.f_2.5LRHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was quoted $220 each on a lot of 9 pedals not including adapters- not much of a deal here- they are in demand so there is no incentive for them really I guess- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Legion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Gropu buy??? >g716@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the >> obvious: >> >> Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? The last one (EDP's last >> winter) worked well from a price perspective -- at least while supplies >> lasted. We could always use Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 >> dealer as I bought my POD from them. > >I think this is a great idea and I'll do what I can to see it take off. >The only real question is what kind of discount can they give on a $225 >pedal? Tehn again anything is better than nothing I guess and at least >Line6 is planning to push them for a while so who knows... > >___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 19:17:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17618; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:17:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:17:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3845B8D3.21D08302@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:09:55 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 - Price References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4Umjg.0.au3.gaRHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Line6 DL4 As I posted before, Washington Music Center sells them for $225 (or so they told me when I inquired). http://www.wmcworld.com/ or http://www.elderly.com (a great store in my hometown. $235 was the price I believe) Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 19:36:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23343; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:36:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:36:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> References: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:17:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Line6 DL4 only loops 2.5 seconds??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"dpVcz3.0.LI4.HgRHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Searching my DL4 info, I came across: "Drew Skyfyre" wrote: >Line6 has the manuals for the modeller pedals up at : > >http://www.line6.com/support/library.htm > >If u just want to know about the DL4, get : >http://www.line6.com/pdf/DelayModelerDetails.pdf > >Nicely done manual. But, I don't know if y'all knew this, but when they say, >"Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler", they mean it. > >Only the sampler does 14 seconds. The delays have a max. of 2.5 seconds. >Dang. With all the thought they've obviously put into this product, you'd >think they'd know to stick atleast 8 MB of RAM in there. Or even allow the >memory to be expanded. now that some people actually have this unit "in hand", is this evaluation from the manual actually accurate? Is the looping and delay just 2.5s?? that would mean a BIG deal to me! /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 19:52:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27360; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:52:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001e01bf3c5e$a6313ba0$56c156d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: mars Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:46:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"-001G2.0.WE6.Q4SHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh man- I love it! I was on the Nasa site every day when the Pathfinder was there snooping around- that was when I was on a 28.8 too but I waited for those images anyway- now I'm on cable- what are the odds they will do streaming audio?? None, but hey- we can dream, right? But I will actually be able to make REAL LOOPS FROM MARS!!! ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: mars >for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: > >Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for > landing on the Red Planet on Friday, >is a tiny, $15 > microphone, the same kind found in >hearing aids. It will > capture the first sounds heard from >another planet — the > hum of the probe’s machinery, the >soft whistling of wind, > the patter of sand grains hitting >solar panels. > >guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer dats >ready . . . > > >stig > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 19:48:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26319; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601bf3c5c$257bee80$3bffdcd1@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:28:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"j3rnH2.0.nu4.MpRHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested--$235 seems to be the best mailorder price I've seen . . . I might be interested in the mod pedal as well drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: g716@hotmail.com To: Loopers Delight Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: Line6 DL4 >I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the >obvious: > >Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 20:00:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29860; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:00:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:51:05 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, hideo@concentric.net Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Resent-Message-ID: <"45aS42.0.Ci6.DBSHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just got one of 4 remaining for $235 from Elderly Music... 3 left! -Miko >>> "Tom Lambrecht" 12/01 4:46 PM >>> I'm interested--$235 seems to be the best mailorder price I've seen . . . I might be interested in the mod pedal as well drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 20:15:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01680; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:15:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:15:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cf988c2.25771cb7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:52:07 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 only loops 2.5 seconds??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"QYhBi3.0.Fl6.sBSHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whats the deal with loops that decay ? It seems that according to the manual, the dl4 will decay the last recorded phrase ever so slowly each time the overdub function is activated. thats not looping...thats just a long delay that eventually fades. I dont wanna believe my own eyes. also, have not had a chance to hear a dl4 yet. And what is the actually time u get for looping both with or without overdubs ? i like the sound of all the things u can do with an expression pedal for this unit but another question i have is does the expression pedal have to be a line 6 unit or can ya use any old expression pedal u may have around your home ? regards, jp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 20:49:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08436; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:49:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:49:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 only loops 2.5 seconds??? Resent-Message-ID: <"FkM6E.0.6a1.BtSHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jprice wrote: >Whats the deal with loops that decay ? > >It seems that according to the manual, the dl4 will decay the last recorded >phrase ever so slowly each time the overdub function is activated. thats not >looping...thats just a long delay that eventually fades. > This is a normal scheme for many looping delays, to avoid overload and distortion, adding new audio (overdubbing) ever so slightly reduces the level of previous overdubs. Turn overdub off and it'll happily loop forever, and even with overdub on I suspect it'll be hard to notice the difference too quickly... Maybe Line6 was clever like the Aurisis boys and set the overdub to only work if it detects audio (a noisegate type of function). Given a choice I'd rather have two Echoplex's with Loop IV software, but am considering fleshing out my lone Echoplex with a DL4. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 21:18:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14732; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:18:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3c7bdad2.25772c67@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:59:03 EST Subject: Re: Tack Piano To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Resent-Message-ID: <"1SSjo3.0.-c2.jATHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The instrument with the two antennae sounds like a theremin. James From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 21:50:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21421; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:50:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:50:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e5aff76.257733a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:29:57 EST Subject: Re: Tack Piano To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"dKlaN.0.DC4.edTHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/1/99 9:47:24 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, jpw77@together.net writes: << There are kits available for upright pianos that consist of a rod with 88 cloth strips hanging from it. >> what will they think up next!........ya gots ta luv it.........:).........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 21:59:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23516; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:59:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:42:45 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Multiple loopers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <003601bf3c6e$e9dce420$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"6eao2.0.z-4.esTHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the advantage of having more than one looping unit? Can you attain a longer looping time, or what? Let me add that you all have been of incomparable help in my wish to know more about looping. I guess loopers are really great people! George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 22:24:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28508; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:24:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991201201549.00973ae0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:19:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Multiple loopers In-Reply-To: <003601bf3c6e$e9dce420$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"h7elG.0.kq6.ZLUHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:42 PM 12/1/99 -0500, George McConnell wrote: >What is the advantage of having more than one looping unit? You've got more than one loop that you can use at any given time. I use three main units, sometimes feeding the loop in one into a delay on another or vice versa; it's all about texture and control after one unit rather than length of loop. > Can you attain a longer looping time, or what? Nope. One unit with 3000 ms, and another with 8000 still only have 3000 and 8000 ms of loop time, respectably. It isn't an additive affair. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 22:45:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00974; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:45:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:45:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991201224807.007aa180@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:48:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LLmAV.0.n_7.QfUHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow loopists- While waiting to take delivery of my very first loopifier (Headrush), I've begun plotting my next purchase. =) What I'm interested in is a multi-effects unit, probably rackmountable, which I can use for either pre- or post-loop processing (depending on mixer routing). I want to be able to get some really freaked-out guitar tones, but I don't want to spend $800, either. At the moment I'm considering the Lexicon Vortex and the MPX-100. As I have some time before acquiring this unit (I won't have the cash until March), I thought I'd solicit opinions from y'all to aid my decision. Vortex - There's a ton of stuff available to read online, and I've read most of it. The problem is that I don't have access to a source of sound samples of various presets, which would be great for a unit like this. Can anyone recommend one or more albums where Vortextualized instruments (pref. guitar) are prominent? Andre, I'm planning to pick up your CD soon, so I was hoping we could start there. =) MPX-100 - If Lexicon would just put the manual online, I wouldn't have to pester you with these questions. =) How flexible is this unit in its effects settings and the routing of multiple effects? How good are the delays for loop purposes? Would I be able to, say, set a short infinite delay (1-3 sec) to swirl atmospherically behind a longer Headrush loop? Can the Vortex's ability to set interesting polyrhythmic echoes be duplicated? Could the unit be configured to act as two independent mono processors for pre- AND post-loop messing-about? As the loop content of this request is (to me) questionable, feel free to mail me off-list if you prefer (scott@morriganrecords.com). Other recommendations of flexible entry-level multi-effects are also welcomed. While I'm here, let me just say that this list is a tremendous resource. I find something interesting in the digest every time it arrives in my mailbox. Keep it up! Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 22:35:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31609; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:35:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:35:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202021059.28510.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: looper's missing delay presets -- why? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"_-17d.0.2E7.HUUHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom 2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? petr (pepetr@yahoo.com) ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 22:59:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04295; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:59:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:59:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991122125106.86453.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"fxS_V.0.Xn.asUHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I said I wouldn't sell mine. But you can beg all you want. | -----Original Message----- | From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] | Sent: Monday 22 November 1999 4:51 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. | | | Hey there you go Craig. Buy Javier's EDP for $600. See how easy! | | | >From: "Javier Miranda V." | >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | >To: | >Subject: RE: want to buy an echoplex. | >Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:49:19 -0800 | > | >I won't sell mine, but you shouldn't pay more than $600 for | it, used. The | >new ones are coming soon any day now, right folks? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 22:47:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01752; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:47:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:47:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:42:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why? Resent-Message-ID: <"uXZm5.0.59.hgUHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom >2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like >to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, >and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. > >Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? > >petr (pepetr@yahoo.com) > The JamMan will do this when under external MIDI clock control. You select the number of beats from the front panel, tap to start recording and it automatically stops when X-beats later. You're limited to multiples of 4 beats, but it does work fine. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 23:17:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08233; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38458185.265C@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:13:57 +0000 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 References: <3.0.6.32.19991201224807.007aa180@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"K4cp61.0.Xq1.M7VHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Scott A. Martin wrote: > > Fellow loopists- > Vortex - There's a ton of stuff available to read > online, and I've read most of it. The problem is that > I don't have access to a source of sound samples of > various presets, which would be great for a unit like > this. Can anyone recommend one or more albums where > Vortextualized instruments (pref. guitar) are > prominent? Andre, I'm planning to pick up your CD > soon, so I was hoping we could start there. =) Sure, I'd be happy to recommend my CD. :-{} I'm sure you'll get plenty of posts to this effect, but just in case you don't know: The Vortex is no longer made. Lexicon discontinued it about three years ago. Used ones crop up on Harmony Central and eBay from time to time... Some (guitar-oriented) CDs I'd recommend that feature Vortexing: Jon Durant -- "Silent Extinction Beyond The Zero" (this is a pretty serious guitar-loop album, with some great Vortexed moments) David Torn -- the two mid-'90s CMP solo albums ("Tripping Over God" and "What Means Solid, Traveller?"). There's a lot of different processing on both, but there are a couple of moments (particularly on the latter album) that I've managed to stumble across whilst tweaking my Vortex (tho I lost the settings almost as quickly!) Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I hear one on "Polytown" as well. I think DT himself should clear this up for us... Should you find a Vortex available, keep in mind that it's a somewhat narrow-focus box; the only "effects" it does are pitch-modulation (chorus, et al) and delay, although within those two parameters there's some *unbelievable* room for variation and experimentation (much more so than any other effects processor I've personally used). Can't compare it to the MPX-100 since I've never tried that one. As far as the Vortex goes, there's no reverb, no MIDI, no EQ. Think of it as a bizarre cross between an Eventide Ultra-Harmonizer and a DeltaLab Effectron -- slick digital meets analog-esque funkiness. --Andre http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 23:28:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11211; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:28:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:28:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:23:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Resent-Message-ID: <"VSJeT2.0.sS2.NHVHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Fellow loopists- > > While waiting to take delivery of my very first > loopifier (Headrush), I've begun plotting my next > purchase. =) What I'm interested in is a > multi-effects unit, probably rackmountable, which I > can use for either pre- or post-loop processing > (depending on mixer routing). I want to be able to > get some really freaked-out guitar tones, but I don't > want to spend $800, either. At the moment I'm > considering the Lexicon Vortex and the MPX-100. As I > have some time before acquiring this unit (I won't > have the cash until March), I thought I'd solicit > opinions from y'all to aid my decision. I have both, and they're very different creatures. The MPX is an excellent "meat and potatoes" device, not extremely flexable, but sounds terrific. It's the main reverb/chorus/"normal" delay box I use anymore. The Vortex is more of one of those "wierd Thai curries that taste great but you might not want to know the ingredients" devices, if I may extend the food analogy to a ridiculous degree. It's great for short loops that mutate over time, for choruses and rotary simulations that have a non-cyclical swirly quality, short delays that ping around the stereo field, etc. Very interesting and deep machine, not exactly user friendly but not bad for how complex it can be. It's one of those rare boxes where I find something new in it every time I sit down to program it. For freaked out guitar tones, I'd recommend the Vortex. > > MPX-100 - If Lexicon would just put the manual online, > I wouldn't have to pester you with these questions. =) > How flexible is this unit in its effects settings and > the routing of multiple effects? Not flexible. The routings are all preset, and there are only one or 2 parameters you can modify within each preset. The unit basically sacrifices programmability for sound quality, and it's a worthwhile trade-off, it sounds wonderful, way better to my ears than anything else in the price range. >How good are the > delays for loop purposes? Would I be able to, say, > set a short infinite delay (1-3 sec) to swirl > atmospherically behind a longer Headrush loop? It can loop(5 secs I think), and there are some interesting multitap delays available. >Can > the Vortex's ability to set interesting polyrhythmic > echoes be duplicated? Nope >Could the unit be configured to > act as two independent mono processors for pre- AND post-loop > messing-about? Nope. Still, I find I actually use the MPX much more than the Vortex. The Vortex isa incredibly cool for what it does, and I'll never sell mine, but the MPX's simpler and more conventional delays are often more useable, even in the strangest musical settings. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 23:32:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11861; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:32:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002501bf3c7d$78c63f20$0100a8c0@Hewlettpackard> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <003601bf3c6e$e9dce420$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> Subject: Re: Multiple loopers Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"VTgMr3.0.Mb2.1LVHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: George McConnell > What is the advantage of having more than one looping unit? Can you attain > a longer looping time, or what? > Let me add that you all have been of incomparable help in my wish to know > more about looping. I guess loopers are really great people! The big advantage for me has been the new sounds I can make by running 2 loops together with different sample times. For instance, if I set one loop for 4 seconds and the other for 3 seconds, then I get sort of a meta-loop that repeats every 12 seconds as they go out of synch then back in. This can make things a lot more dynamic and less repetitous. Also, the devices I've got (2 DOD DFX94 pedals) are very limited compared to an Echoplex or Boomerang; they'll each only hold maybe 8 or 9 layers before the old ones fade out, so having two of them enables me to keep twice as many layers alive, hence twice the noise! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 1 23:52:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16397; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:52:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:52:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:47:32 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: A thought about On/Off topic: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"N-RJt.0.Ij3.edVHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as long as off topic post are just MENTIONED, they are enriching. as soon as off topic subjects are DISCUSSED, its too much. If someone tells us about some equipment he sells, books about politics we should read, I find it positive. Someone asked whether reading the books turn him a better looper. I guess so! Whatever makes this world clearer to the musican turns his music stronger. But a whole series of mails, a discussion between people of different opinion, bargening of prices... should happen outside the list or be on topic, really. Hows that? Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 00:11:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21101; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:11:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912020507.VAA29583@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:07:04 -0600 Subject: Re: programable delay time From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xau9m.0.pt4.UwVHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Zoom 506 would let you do this, but its maximum delay time was four seconds. As always, each looping box has at least one thing that only it will do, and a few things that it won't do that make you scratch your head in wonder. Programable loop length and absolute repeat parameter (ONLY 2 repeats of loudness X, for example) are my two top requests for the next version of the Loop software. TH ---------- >From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com >Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #481 >Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 10:33 PM > > > I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom > 2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like > to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, > and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. > > Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 00:18:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24299; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:18:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <0.eac8d702.257759d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:12:49 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"D2cxZ1.0.0E5.E0WHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was gonna get another headrush but the Line6 DL4 group buy thing sounds like a good idea... keep me posted if this actually happens and there is a worthwhile savings... thanks cheers jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 01:25:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09507; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:25:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:25:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a8f5d018.2577669c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:07:24 EST Subject: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"ib42g.0.4Y1.OpWHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have had this unit for a few months now and enjoy it very much, today i received the FP02 expression pedal for this unit.........what a gas............. is this what midi is like only to a greater extent?..........i have until now avoided midi but i am begining to see a great charm in changing parameters in real time (and this i assume is the role of midi, yes, no?)...............there is so much to learn, im getting worried.......:)..........michael p.s........it was asked earlier today, will "any" expression pedal work on the DL4 (new object of lust)?.......please tell me this is one less thing ill have to buy........m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 01:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10820; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <016301bf3c8d$f72c63c0$4c9d60cb@EVOL> From: "EVOL" To: References: <3.0.1.32.19991201171457.0094f100@tamiu.edu> Subject: Re: Drum machines Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:16:59 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"O1ueg.0.iN2.M5XHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For what its worth I would recomend a Boss Dr Rythm. Soem older models are flexible with programming, but not hot on different time signatures, ie they are best suited for 2/4 and 4/4 styled beats. evol From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 01:41:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12645; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:41:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:41:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005601bf3c8e$ff35c600$7e32e9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: zoom 123 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:30:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"UXod03.0.Ut2.sEXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Michaël, >The Zoom 123 is GREAT!!! What is that zoom, never heard about it (?!?). Give me more infos! Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:07:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18416; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:07:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:03:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@logan.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re>group buy - read this one!!!!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jy8N92.0.cF4.mdXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i work for a company called the GUITAR CENTER, maybe you've heard of it. if you all would be interested, i could put together a deal for a good price, and we could all get DL4s for cheap. just for the record, how cheap have you actually found a DL4 in the store or internet? what's the best price you've seen? scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 01:43:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13037; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:43:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:43:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:39:44 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Xm8VT3.0.m43.mHXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just returned my headrush and picked up a DL4. This thing is insane for its price. BTW, got the DL4 for $185 at 8th street music in center city philly 215.923.5040 phone. Ask for Andre or Scott. These guys deal all the time. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:05:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17945; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:05:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:59:18 EST Subject: tibetan prayer wheels To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"-DO9Y3.0.n24.9aXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a few months ago, i came across a wav. of the "our father" read in old english, of course i had to loop it.........this made me wonder, along the lines of "do androids dream of electric sheep"..........are electronic prayers valid and can we storm the gates of heaven with prayer loops..........or is all prayer just the asking that one plus one not equal two (i hope not)...........historically, loops were present in religious chantings and prayer services, both western and eastern........the seasons, the phases of the moon, all loops.........spin a prayer wheel, if this isnt a prayer loop, what is?...........just some thoughts during this wild and wacky time of year.........maybe i should get out more.......:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 01:53:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15022; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:53:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5b8b140e.25777036@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:48:22 EST Subject: Re: Multiple loopers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"JywSk3.0.3S3.qPXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have three synced together...I might use one for percussion, one for "bass" and one for whatever (horns, vocals, synched delay!) The most fun is to get polyrhythms going (set the loopers to different time signatures). Basically the advantage is having one looper stay constant while you mess with the other one. Hours of fun with Drum Machines too! John Painter flemingandjohn.com In a message dated 12/1/99 8:59:03 PM, gcm22@drexel.edu writes: << What is the advantage of having more than one looping unit? Can you attain a longer looping time, or what? Let me add that you all have been of incomparable help in my wish to know more about looping. I guess loopers are really great people! George >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:07:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18388; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:07:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:07:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:03:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912020703.BAA28185@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Drum machines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id CAA17200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ojztY.0._C4.2dXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how about a sequential circuits DRUMTRAKS? it´s MIDI, cool sounds and you can get them for real cheap... smaug. At 11:49 AM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote: > Hi there, > >I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and >I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, >etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine >also). > >Thanks for any help > >Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:27:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22602; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:27:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:27:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4958383e.2577781c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:22:04 EST Subject: Re: misleading info on the Line 6 DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Yx-Iz1.0.hI5.TvXHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/1/99 8:47:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << Whats the deal with loops that decay ? > It seems that according to the manual, the dl4 will decay the last recorded phrase ever so slowly each time the overdub function is activated. thats not looping...thats just a long delay that eventually fades. I dont wanna believe my own eyes. also, have not had a chance to hear a dl4 yet. And what is the > actually time u get for looping both with or without overdubs ? The max looping time is 14 seconds, with or without dubs - the max delay time on the rest of the delay models is 2.5 seconds. The thing defintely 'loops' by anyone's definition of the word, i.e., anytime you want you can close the loop and wail over it without adding onto it, layer another part, then close it again. It actually takes quite a while for the repeats to fade out on their own (and that's only when the overdubbing function is 'open') >i like the sound of all the things u can do with an expression pedal for this unit but another question i have is does the expression pedal have to be a line 6 unit or can ya use any old expression pedal u may have around your home ? >> I have a Boss EV-5 that works just fine with it The modulation pedal is not out yet - West L.A. Music (where I got mine for $229) said they are expected in Dec. 12. The distortion modeler will be out "sometime in February". Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:33:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23768; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:33:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:33:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38461F37.3D0B4BC3@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 01:26:47 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Looping in Austin, TX 12/5/99 References: <199912011205.EAA20761@raven.a001.sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QjhNY1.0.eX5.5-XHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'll be listening. big kut fan here. i'm an austin boy as well. i will be at lucy's friday the 10th, shaggy's saturday the 11th and hole in the wall sunday the 12th doing my looping and stuff. give me a shout if you wish. are you guys from austin or just passing through? peace jimmy george Tiktok World HQ wrote: > For those of you in the Central Texas area: > > Futura, an improvisational trio (guitar, bass, DJ) will be performing this > Sunday (12/5/99) on KUT (90.5 FM) between 8 and 9PM on "LiveSet". There > will be loops aplenty. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > Futura > -- > > Futura mp3s available from: > > www.rollingstone.com > www.mp3.com > > Futura CD's can now be ordered on the web from: > https://order.kagi.com/ > > The Futura Collective > 4107-A Speedway > Austin, TX 78751 > 512.451.5885 > futura@fringware.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:39:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25100; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: re>group buy - read this one!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:37:32 -0800 Message-ID: <003e01bf3c98$183b53a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"iHzTB3.0.mt5.h5YHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just returned my headrush and picked up a DL4. This thing is insane for its price. BTW, got the DL4 for $185 at 8th street music in center city philly 215.923.5040 phone. Ask for Andre or Scott. These guys deal all the time. JP -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Hildebrand [mailto:jshildebrand@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 11:04 PM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re>group buy - read this one!!!!!!! i work for a company called the GUITAR CENTER, maybe you've heard of it. if you all would be interested, i could put together a deal for a good price, and we could all get DL4s for cheap. just for the record, how cheap have you actually found a DL4 in the store or internet? what's the best price you've seen? scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 02:47:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26759; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:47:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:47:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: tibetan prayer wheels Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:45:07 -0800 Message-ID: <003f01bf3c99$26f95300$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"NHNVm2.0.SK6.nCYHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Electronic players ARE- so validity is irrelevant- and yes, I believe God would be waiting, headphones on and head bobbing as she welcomes us in as she gives kudos on the beautiful sounds and prayers we sent- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tibetan prayer wheels ..........are electronic prayers valid and can we storm the gates of heaven with prayer loops.......... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 04:10:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09278; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912020822.AAA01109@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:26:47 -0700 Subject: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why? From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ox-NW1.0.zE.snYHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why they neglect-I do not know,but for years I've used the PCM42 for my loops and you have to set the loop length before you start and now w/ the EDP its the other way around and I find that each has its dis + advantages, as always I'm goin loopy...STANNER ---------- >From: petr dolak >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: looper's missing delay presets -- why? >Date: Wed, Dec 1, 1999, 7:10 PM > > I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom > 2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like > to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, > and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. > > Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? > > petr (pepetr@yahoo.com) > > ===== > > > > > > > Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale > neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 04:07:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09011; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:07:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:07:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38462AC9.45AD82CA@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:16:09 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mars References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VSfvb1.0.W5.QjYHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com main page w/ mirrors http://www.msnbc.com/news/340869.asp "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: > > Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for > landing on the Red Planet on Friday, > is a tiny, $15 > microphone, the same kind found in > hearing aids. It will > capture the first sounds heard from > another planet — the > hum of the probe’s machinery, the > soft whistling of wind, > the patter of sand grains hitting > solar panels. > > guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer dats > ready . . . > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 04:07:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09014; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:07:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38463254.6CE91CAB@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 02:48:20 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 References: <19991201190634.83145.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"snHSn1.0.dM1.XAZHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes count me in. how much will it cost and how do we move on this? jimmy george g716@hotmail.com wrote: > I can hear everyone reaching for their credit cards already, so I'll ask the > obvious: > > Anyone interested in putting a group buy together? The last one (EDP's last > winter) worked well from a price perspective -- at least while supplies > lasted. We could always use Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 > dealer as I bought my POD from them. > > What say ye? > > Greg out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 04:12:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10037; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:12:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:12:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38462A41.DB4E1EA0@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:13:53 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mars References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XF7Dp2.0._r7.IhYHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I found this , http://www.msnbc.com/news/143424.asp jd "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: > > Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for > landing on the Red Planet on Friday, > is a tiny, $15 > microphone, the same kind found in > hearing aids. It will > capture the first sounds heard from > another planet — the > hum of the probe’s machinery, the > soft whistling of wind, > the patter of sand grains hitting > solar panels. > > guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer dats > ready . . . > > stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 03:56:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07095; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 03:56:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 03:56:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38462F26.31B9B681@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:34:47 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mars References: <001e01bf3c5e$a6313ba0$56c156d1@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YwOn33.0.Nu.t-YHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, this is de place, http://marslander.jpl.nasa.gov/ "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > Oh man- I love it! I was on the Nasa site every day when the Pathfinder was > there snooping around- that was when I was on a 28.8 too but I waited for > those images anyway- now I'm on cable- what are the odds they will do > streaming audio?? None, but hey- we can dream, right? But I will actually be > able to make REAL LOOPS FROM MARS!!! > > ;) > Cliff > -----Original Message----- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:06 PM > Subject: mars > > >for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: > > > >Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for > > landing on the Red Planet on Friday, > >is a tiny, $15 > > microphone, the same kind found in > >hearing aids. It will > > capture the first sounds heard from > >another planet — the > > hum of the probe’s machinery, the > >soft whistling of wind, > > the patter of sand grains hitting > >solar panels. > > > >guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer > dats > >ready . . . > > > > > >stig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 07:22:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10611; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:22:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:09:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Drum machines In-Reply-To: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fZGJE2.0.j32.67cHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I use (and like) a Roland TR626. You can pick one up for 70-120pounds depending on condition and at that pice they are great fun. OK the sounds are very 80s but, hey, isn't that all coming back? What I really like us the user interface (with BIG LCD screen) Start in TapWrite and bang in a rhythm (very like using Overbud on the EDP) adding bits at each pass of the sequence, then switch to StepWrite and "improve" or add parts + acsents + shuffle then into Play mode and improvise bits on top. Jim Carter Bristol UK Tel. (44) 117 9289934 FAX (44) 117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 07:21:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10610; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:21:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.dae737c0.2577badd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:06:53 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 adaptor? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"ywioL3.0.Ju1.Q4cHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does it need a special adaptor or will anything work with it? thanks, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 08:14:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20793; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:14:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:14:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006701bf3cc6$d9585820$7a98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: A thought about On/Off topic: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:12:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hYRlB3.0.kr4.L_cHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as usual, Matthias your short, eloquent posts posts cut right to the heart of the matter . . . thanks, Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 11:20 PM Subject: A thought about On/Off topic: >as long as off topic post are just MENTIONED, they are enriching. >as soon as off topic subjects are DISCUSSED, its too much. > >If someone tells us about some equipment he sells, books about >politics we should read, I find it positive. >Someone asked whether reading the books turn him a better looper. I guess so! >Whatever makes this world clearer to the musican turns his music stronger. > >But a whole series of mails, a discussion between people of different >opinion, bargening of prices... should happen outside the list or be >on topic, really. > >Hows that? >Matthias > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 08:38:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25019; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:38:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:38:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <011a01bf3cca$1b153be0$7a98adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: mars Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:35:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1IoUW2.0.ht5.CLdHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com perusing this link a few clicks further (thanks, Jeff), I found the planetary society's site where they will supposedly be streaming RealAudio . . . (and 360 degree video) http://planetfest.org/planetcast/index.html might be an interesting communal loop experience for the time-shift DJs of LD hoping for a landing with the dirty side down . . . or on Bill Nye's pointy head drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 3:53 AM Subject: Re: mars >sorry, this is de place, http://marslander.jpl.nasa.gov/ > >"Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > >> Oh man- I love it! I was on the Nasa site every day when the Pathfinder was >> there snooping around- that was when I was on a 28.8 too but I waited for >> those images anyway- now I'm on cable- what are the odds they will do >> streaming audio?? None, but hey- we can dream, right? But I will actually be >> able to make REAL LOOPS FROM MARS!!! >> >> ;) >> Cliff >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liebig, Steuart A. >> To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' >> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:06 PM >> Subject: mars >> >> >for all of you folks who would like to loop/manipulate this: >> > >> >Aboard NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, headed for >> > landing on the Red Planet on Friday, >> >is a tiny, $15 >> > microphone, the same kind found in >> >hearing aids. It will >> > capture the first sounds heard from >> >another planet — the >> > hum of the probe’s machinery, the >> >soft whistling of wind, >> > the patter of sand grains hitting >> >solar panels. >> > >> >guess they're gonna broadcast the loudest 10 seconds every day, get yer >> dats >> >ready . . . >> > >> > >> >stig >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 09:09:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32088; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:09:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:04:50 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Some samples of Vortex sounds... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pWhTQ.0.Mb7.vodHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Geez, if I'd known.... There are lots of MP3 files I've made and they're on the net for download. You can first of all check out: http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html -and- http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html -and- http://webriffs.dhs.org/ -and- http://www.waste.org/~crash/crash.html The ASB site has, naturally, ASB music on it. Many of the sounds in the track "aliensporebomb" are vortexed to death.. There's 6 stereo pairs of electric guitars playing in harmony and all are processed thru the vortex. Then, the drum machine has drums and bass playing, but is also the source of the "synthesizer" in the background. The synth pad is created by taking the other two bass guitar samples in the drum computer and tuning them up one and two octaves respectively and mapping key notes to the drum pads. Then I "play" the pads for each rhythmic pattern. I then take a line out from the drum machine and into the vortex running a custom patch I created. The tap tempo was used to further give the illusion that you're hearing a big keyboard synth thru a swirling leslie like patch. The drum machine allows you to send specific signals through any of its six outputs (stereo left, stereo right, then 1 2 3 and 4). This allows processing of specific signals while leaving others unprocessed. A very nice feature. So essentially, you're hearing 1 guitar and 1 drum machine. But due to the multiple outputs of the drum computer you can do a heck of a lot, and the Vortex has much mutational power. Let's see, the stuff at webriffs....lots of that is vortexed to death too... Late nite has a clean guitar thru a choir patch with the tuned-up bass samples from the drum computer into the vortex using another custom patch. There is no bass guitar or synth on this tune, just one guitar and one drum machine, the drum machine is playing internal samples to create the bass and "synth" parts (which are tuned up basses). The higher pitched "synth" stuff is a fingerpicked bass up two octaves, the lower pitched (sounds a bit like rubato electric piano thru chorus and delay) is an acco contrabass sample up an octave or so. "Dance of Life Part 2", guitar and Kawai K4 synth processed thru the vortex there. The lead guitar is conventional until the fake B3 (processed thru orbits) drops out and then you've got a guitar thru a mesa boogie studio preamp thru a mxr blue box thru a boss oc-2 octave box into the vortex (on that dynaflanger patch, aerosol I think) direct to the board. The drum programming is actually the drum machine into the vortex using a tap tempo delay to create some complex counter rhythms.. I could go on...am I crazy enough for you yet? The looppage stuff at my site...the flanging on "unravelling" (short version) is vortex I believe, just 1 guitar and nothing else... Oh....and the Vortex can rock too. Check out my crash page to hear "The Velocity of Naught", crunching chunks of heavy metal madness... the song that could not be killed. Nothing special in terms of weird panning but it sounds allright. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 09:17:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01962; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:17:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriswv1@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d1e9669a.2577d848@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:12:24 EST Subject: Yamaha SU700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"sbXlV1.0.M9.lvdHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have a SU700??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 09:19:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02369; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:19:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:19:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriswv1@aol.com Message-ID: <0.605de39c.2577d562@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:00:02 EST Subject: Re: Drum machines To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 243 Resent-Message-ID: <"faxQO3.0.oG7.bkdHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Listen, before you look into a drum machine look into sample cd's for your sampler (if you don't have a sampler you need one of them first) They make hundreds of different cd's with breakbeats for techno, hip hop, trip hop, trance, ect.- any kind of music you want. I have a couple of drum machines that I'm not really satisfied with. I have the Alesis SR 16 and the Boss DR 202. The Alesis drums sound great- like real live drums and is pretty easy to use but to me it really doesn't do the job- it's made in 1991 and to me thats how it sounds. The DR 202 is decent and you could probably find one used or on blowout for about$200 but the drums in it for the most part aren't that good unless you're doing drum n bass or techno stuff- you can edit the drum sounds a good bit but I don't feel like I got $400 worth of equipment from this thing. I heard the new Korg drum machine is nice but I'd look into drum sample cd's. For about $100 you get about 500 drum loop samples that you can manipulate to almost any form of music. For any more info just e-mail me back...... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 09:53:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09699; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:53:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf3cd3$7f54e7a0$a7c8aec7@default> From: "Alan Imberg" To: References: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Subject: Re: tibetan prayer wheels Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:42:41 -0800 Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"KHKz83.0.My1.wMeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good question. I recall call a quote from M.J. Gandhi: "Every action can be a prayer". He used it in the context of everyday chores, saying that as long as the mind is contemplative of God as you do seemingly mundane actions, then you are praying. Who's to say that when we are awash in mulitple loops and sonic bliss that we can't be in a spiritual state of mind. I may have killed a few brain cells in my youth, but, at times, I do feel much the same way when I loop with guitar in hand as I do when at church or in meditation. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:59 PM Subject: tibetan prayer wheels > a few months ago, i came across a wav. of the "our father" read in old > english, of course i had to loop it.........this made me wonder, along the > lines of "do androids dream of electric sheep"..........are electronic > prayers valid and can we storm the gates of heaven with prayer > loops..........or is all prayer just the asking that one plus one not equal > two (i hope not)...........historically, loops were present in religious > chantings and prayer services, both western and eastern........the seasons, > the phases of the moon, all loops.........spin a prayer wheel, if this isnt a > prayer loop, what is?...........just some thoughts during this wild and wacky > time of year.........maybe i should get out more.......:)............michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:00:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11522; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:00:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:00:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912021452.JAA28032@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:52:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: RE: prayer loops In-Reply-To: <001d01bf3cd3$7f54e7a0$a7c8aec7@default> References: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wdj1h.0.dM2.OVeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Carlos Santana quotes Miles Davis as saying... "Play and Pray, Pray and Play" Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:08:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13232; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:08:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:08:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38467CAC.7F3094A0@cdm.sfai.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 07:05:32 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Organization: San Francisco Art Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tibetan prayer wheels References: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: mark@cdm.sfai.edu Resent-Message-ID: <"8Mtpo3.0.3x2.YfeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine tells a story of his trip into a kosher meat processing plant (not sure which) and finds that the "Kosher" part is a tape loop of the appropriate prayer played on a small PA near the conveyer belt. A higher authority! -- Mark Sottilaro Multimedia Specialist mark@cdm.sfai.edu (415) 771-7020 ext. 4411 Center For Digital Media San Francisco Art Institute 800 Chestnut St. San Francisco, CA 94133 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:29:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18232; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:29:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: TC D-Two Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:17:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"rd87P1.0.2B4.HzeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I received a catalog from Guitar Center yesterday with the TC D-Two in it. Has anyone tried one yet? David K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:38:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20456; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:38:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:38:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'George McConnell'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multiple loopers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:22:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"5vtQ53.0.mW4.R2fHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think one of the big advantages is the way having multiple loopers gives you the capability to create discrete loops that are separately - built panned lengthed processed combined Also, I think having multiple loopers helps the analgesic industry. It can be a real headache to figure out which one is making which noise. dk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:17:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15611; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:17:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:17:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912021511.KAA28327@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:11:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Re: safe journey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1RQV23.0.ZU3.qmeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, YR is not his first album. His first album (recently reissued on Cunieform) is a self titled disc I believe and includes the fantastic Hendrix-esque "How do you like my Buddha?" The rest of the album is far less successful than the later records (IMO) featuring many synth experiments and other things. I believe this record is actually a college project sort of deal. YR is definitely the best starting point in my opinion, but Safe Journey is also fantastic. Kevin Anyone heard the record that followed after CHO? >any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you >should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an >amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the >rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:07:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13071; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:07:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0500 Subject: safe journey From: klowy To: , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Yv9mB3.0.jt2.2eeHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! klowy >where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:52:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23714; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:52:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:52:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: prayer loops Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:44:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <199912021452.JAA28032@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"QPh1h.0.mN5.eHfHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com People make fun of Microsoft's "Plug and Play" thus: "Plug and Pray." | -----Original Message----- | From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] | Sent: Thursday 02 December 1999 6:53 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: prayer loops | | | Carlos Santana quotes Miles Davis as saying... | | "Play and Pray, Pray and Play" | | Kevin | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:02:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25868; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:02:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202155326.17703.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: M T Reply-To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net Subject: what I think is a cool idea for the EDP (unfortunately, I will probably never own one) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"VoQ-u2.0.Cu5.oPfHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's an idea for the edp rev. software: If the edp could support loading digital audio loops via midi (probably not possible, I think) or via another port, someone else could write a program to store audio loops in banks of 9 (not to exceed 198 seconds). Then you could load the edp with a particular bank of samples in the memory you weren't going to use to loop. Or you could download loops you particularly liked into the bank software for later use. It would make the edp twice as cool (the hard-core loopers might disagree). Of course, I'd be happy if I could get my hands on the old one. MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 10:55:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24023; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:55:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:55:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Multiple loopers Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:41:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <0.5b8b140e.25777036@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ZjCnE1.0.wH5.JFfHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, you could accomplish the same task by recording loops on a multitrack machine. Hey, that way you could get 3 or 4-- or more-- loops and really get into some hard-to-explain stuff... Especially if your multitrack can sync to devices. But you're right, the live element is crucial. | -----Original Message----- | From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] | Sent: Wednesday 01 December 1999 10:48 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Multiple loopers | | | | I have three synced together...I might use one for percussion, | one for "bass" | and one for whatever (horns, vocals, synched delay!) The most | fun is to get | polyrhythms going (set the loopers to different time | signatures). Basically | the advantage is having one looper stay constant while you mess | with the | other one. Hours of fun with Drum Machines too! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:02:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26426; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:02:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991202095039.0095ed40@tamiu.edu> X-Sender: myoder@tamiu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:50:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael S. Yoder" Subject: Re: Tack Piano In-Reply-To: <0.3c7bdad2.25772c67@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8d3ls1.0.ts5.QPfHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:59 PM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: > The instrument with the two antennae sounds like a theremin. > To quote Johnny Carson's sidekick, "You are correct Sir!" I believe PAIA sells them (or at least their version of the theremin). They have a web site, but I can't remember the address (Perhaps www.PAIA.com?) Michael =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dr. Michael S. Yoder Assistant Professor of Geography, Coordinator of Urban Studies Texas A&M International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, TX 78041 Tel. (956) 326-2634; FAX (956) 326-2464 Internet:myoder@tamiu.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:49:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04867; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:49:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:49:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912021640.LAA01025@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:40:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Korg AM8000 In-Reply-To: <0.605de39c.2577d562@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VhYMG3.0.3e.P4gHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have any leads on where to find a Korg AM8000? Musician's Friend had them a couple of weeks ago but when I got the $$$ they were gone. thanks for any help Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:56:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06958; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:56:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38462F26.31B9B681@bellsouth.net> References: <001e01bf3c5e$a6313ba0$56c156d1@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:50:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed and Jennifer Drake Subject: Slightly on topic/synth modules with looping? Resent-Message-ID: <"w4wdG2.0.ID1.VCgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello loopfolk, I'm in the market for an inexpensive but decent synth/drum module to use with my sequencer and incorporate into my looping and I thought I would check and see if anyone knows anything about the Roland JV-1010 which is available for a little over $400. It has 64 voice polyphony and lots of drum and synth sounds and has room for one expansion board. If you know of any other modules that are inexpensive but good (bang for the buck is important!) that would be cool too. If this is too off topic please reply privately. Thanks in advance! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:58:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07447; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:58:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:58:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202165109.38484.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.208] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: safe journey Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 08:51:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"HIDkh1.0.GP1.zEgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've checked several stores here in Santa Cruz for Safe Journey. None have it. Do you have an exact address to order it? :) >From: klowy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: safe journey >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0500 > >any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you >should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an >amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the >rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! > >klowy > > > >where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 11:54:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06297; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:54:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:54:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202164720.12688.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.208] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tibetan prayer wheels Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 08:47:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"MoCOF.0.q41.NBgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Om, that infinate space is the place I always go to in looping. The Zone, the Cosmos,God consciousness, the music of the spheres. We are in an interplay with and a part of that that force. Nice thread.Om and Out, Narendra >From: "Alan Imberg" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: tibetan prayer wheels >Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:42:41 -0800 > >Good question. I recall call a quote from M.J. Gandhi: "Every action can be >a prayer". He used it in the context of everyday chores, saying that as >long >as the mind is contemplative of God as you do seemingly mundane actions, >then you are praying. Who's to say that when we are awash in mulitple >loops >and sonic bliss that we can't be in a spiritual state of mind. I may have >killed a few brain cells in my youth, but, at times, I do feel much the >same >way when I loop with guitar in hand as I do when at church or in >meditation. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:59 PM >Subject: tibetan prayer wheels > > > > a few months ago, i came across a wav. of the "our father" read in old > > english, of course i had to loop it.........this made me wonder, along >the > > lines of "do androids dream of electric sheep"..........are electronic > > prayers valid and can we storm the gates of heaven with prayer > > loops..........or is all prayer just the asking that one plus one not >equal > > two (i hope not)...........historically, loops were present in religious > > chantings and prayer services, both western and eastern........the >seasons, > > the phases of the moon, all loops.........spin a prayer wheel, if this >isnt a > > prayer loop, what is?...........just some thoughts during this wild and >wacky > > time of year.........maybe i should get out >more.......:)............michael > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:14:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11521; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:14:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3846A4C1.5D6A@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:56:33 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. References: <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"U7lqq1.0.ig1.2IgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jprice01@aol.com wrote: > I just returned my headrush and picked up a DL4. This thing is insane for its > price. BTW, got the DL4 for $185 at 8th street music in center city philly I live in philly and know the buyers at 8th st well for the past 10+ years. I called and spoke to the head guy there today and he looked into this and told me they are selling the unit for around $200 plus the adapter. Someone came in this AM and claimed they saw the unit for $185 so they matched that "price". This is *not* the standard selling price for them and the guys didn't check out this price before evidently so I don't know that they will match it again (did this price exist in the first place or did U make it up?) HOWEVER, I asked about a group buy and they said they will gladly do something for us. I am going to go in talk to them this afternoon (and try out a pedal :)). 8th st is a licensed dealer of Line6 and ships worldwide so this is as good as it gets. They are a big store but not a chain so in a way you'd be supporting a local biz rather than a G center or Sam's Ass if that matters to you (it does to me). I've dealt with them for years and bought thousands of $$ of gear so I have a good relationship (yeah, it's always good when you spend thousands of $$ - LOL!). I don't remember the logistics on the last EDP buy but here it will probably be I work out a solid price and then you all call in with your credit cards and ask for the promotional deal from the point man or his cronies. As or now the price will easily be $220 including adapter and probably better espcially if we get a number of serious buyers quickly. Sound Good? If so email me direct and I'll see what #'s we're talking about and let them know to see what can be done. I am also going to check into the adapter question to see if it really is anything unusal or If I U can use a Radio shack one or something. That saves $20 right there. See, it does pay to be good to your local store. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:16:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11752; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:16:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:16:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:04:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: safe journey Resent-Message-ID: <"E5G9z2.0.AG2.kRgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey David... Here's the Steve Tibbetts web site... you'll find an order page there. You could also check out the ECM web site. http://www.frammis.com/index.htm -Biffoz >>> "David Potter" 12/02 8:55 AM >>> I've checked several stores here in Santa Cruz for Safe Journey. None have it. Do you have an exact address to order it? :) >From: klowy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: safe journey >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0500 > >any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you >should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an >amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the >rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! > >klowy > > > >where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:21:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12906; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:21:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:11:32 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: safe journey Resent-Message-ID: <"jkQnh1.0.Wj2.EYgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd also add that "Exploded View" is my all time fave Steve Tibbetts... >>> "Mike Biffle" 12/02 9:09 AM >>> Hey David... Here's the Steve Tibbetts web site... you'll find an order page there. You could also check out the ECM web site. http://www.frammis.com/index.htm -Biffoz >>> "David Potter" 12/02 8:55 AM >>> I've checked several stores here in Santa Cruz for Safe Journey. None have it. Do you have an exact address to order it? :) >From: klowy >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: , >Subject: safe journey >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0500 > >any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you >should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an >amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the >rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! > >klowy > > > >where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:24:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13833; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:24:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <0.505e4e9c.25780327@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:15:19 EST Subject: Re: safe journey To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"YD76b3.0.Tu2.ZbgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you interested in Steve Tibbetts he does maintain a website at: http://www.frammis.com/ The site isn't equited for e-commerce per se, but you can still order his entire catalog via snail mail using the printable order form they provide and a check.I ordered his first album a few months ago and it came fairly promptly (about a week later). BTW there is lots of "loopy" commentary from Mr. Tibbetts all over this site in regards to his music and work ethic/methodology/philosopy. Much of it is very entertaining reading. Best From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:43:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18802; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:43:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:43:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:30:17 -0600 Subject: Boomerang FS: $215 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IEIXS.0.mm3.WpgHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER Asking Price: US$215 Condition: Excellent Age: 6 months Description: I HAVE A BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER FOR SALE. IT IS EXCELLENT CONDITION, HARDLY USED. VERY USEFUL AND FUN TO PLAY WITH. EMAIL ME OR CALL ME IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. IT SAMPLES FOR UP TO 2 MINUTES. VERY COOL. LES Seller: LES GIBSON, 919 751 2902 E-mail: les_paul24@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: GOLDSBORO, NC Post Date: 12/1/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 12:50:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20194; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:50:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:40:24 -0600 Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3846A4C1.5D6A@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dIh532.0.hO4.wygHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, actually it looks like it REALLY pays to quote "price of indeterminate origin" to your local store before the counter guys have had their first cup of coffee. BTW, I truly appreciate the logic of appealing to "support your local music store" while setting up a national group buy AND suggesting that we use Radio Shack AC adaptors. TH > Jprice01@aol.com wrote: > >> I just returned my headrush and picked up a DL4. This thing is insane for its >> price. BTW, got the DL4 for $185 at 8th street music in center city philly > > I live in philly and know the buyers at 8th st well for the past 10+ > years. I called and spoke to the head guy there today and he looked into > this and told me they are selling the unit for around $200 plus the > adapter. Someone came in this AM and claimed they saw the unit for $185 > so they matched that "price". This is *not* the standard selling price > for them and the guys didn't check out this price before evidently so I > don't know that they will match it again (did this price exist in the > first place or did U make it up?) > > HOWEVER, I asked about a group buy and they said they will gladly do > something for us. I am going to go in talk to them this afternoon (and > try out a pedal :)). 8th st is a licensed dealer of Line6 and ships > worldwide so this is as good as it gets. They are a big store but not a > chain so in a way you'd be supporting a local biz rather than a G center > or Sam's Ass if that matters to you (it does to me). I've dealt with > them for years and bought thousands of $$ of gear so I have a good > relationship (yeah, it's always good when you spend thousands of $$ - > LOL!). > > See, it does pay to be good to your local store. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:31:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30494; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:31:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:31:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3846B9FA.32A0@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:27:06 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0y2QY1.0.u37.2dhHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Travis Hartnett wrote: > Well, actually it looks like it REALLY pays to quote "price of indeterminate > origin" to your local store before the counter guys have had their first cup > of coffee. Evidently. I just wanted to point out this is not the norm least we have ten more "How did you find that price?" posts that all go unanswered like the last few have. So far no place has a standard price of less than $200 from what I've seen and heard. Please post otherwise if you know of a place that has a *regular* (not haggled) lower price. > BTW, I truly appreciate the logic of appealing to "support your local music > store" while setting up a national group buy AND suggesting that we use > Radio Shack AC adaptors. I think my point was clearly made (independent store VS Chain store) but quite frankly I don't give a damn where people buy 'em. 8th st isn't the best store in the world (Each saledude is different) but over the years I've met some of the best salesdudes I've met in any store there and these guys go the extra mile to take care of all their customers not just the big spenders. Personally I think that kind of attention deserves reward. Since we're putting together a multi purchase *someone* has to find a place to buy them and rather than deal with the chains that constanlty get ragged on for poor and ignorant support it just made sense to me that we support a particular salesmen or team that has developed a decent track record which makes things easier to buy as well as helps them out a bit. As for the adaptors that was answering a question someone had yesterday which is very pertinent to ANY DL4 user as well as people buying and paying shipping for a $20 adapter VS one they can find around the corner from them. Y'know I am trying to set this up for the list since there is so much interest. What was all that community crap that someone wrote about the past few days? If the best you can do is be a wiseass when somone's going out of their way for nothing to help out the group perhaps you'd feel more at home playing with the ignorant sellers on Ebay than following up on someone elses's efforts to get something done instead of talking about it. loop on. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:14:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25821; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:14:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: g716@hotmail.com Message-ID: <19991202180730.46161.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] To: References: <19991201190634.83145.qmail@hotmail.com> <38463254.6CE91CAB@jimmygeorgearts.com> Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Group Buy Update Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:07:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ysRna3.0.xz5.WMhHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a quick update: Prices seem to be around $230, but it may take some dickering. If Scott (working under the email alias Jeffery Hildebrand ) can do better than $185 -- or equivalent, with power supply, from Guitar Center, and will ship within the US, I say we go for a group buy at that price. Yes, we'd pay shipping charges surely. Scott, can you do that? Otherwise, I say every looper for himself and call 8th street music in Philly! 185! Did that include power supply? People seem pretty anxious and may not want to wait to save the extra $30 or $40 if they can get it for $185 with no group buy hassles. BTW, I did email Fred's and Alto music yesterday -- no reply yet. Also, I did check out a DL4 at Guitar Center last night. The sales staff had no idea of the potential. I plugged it in, started looping (no manual needed -- it's pretty darn easy) and before long the manager was behind me begging to try it. I handled over the guitar and ran the buttons while he laid down some rythm, then another complimentary track, then solos. He was amazed as I explained to him the benefits and pleasures of looping. I accidentally hit the reverse mode and the manager was blown away -- "Hey Frank! Check it out! Jimi Hendrix!". I had seen all I needed so I started to unplug the rig. The manager protested, "No, no! Leave it, I'm gonna jam some more. I gotta check this thing out!". They should be paying me! Quoted price: $235. Impression: worth the money. The EDP is worth every penny of $600 or so I paid last year. The DL4 would be worth every penny especially if it were just $185! Total loop time: I clocked it over 20 secs. using the 1/2 speed function in mono. Not sure if mono changes things, but the 1/2 speed sure did. My highly scientific method: hit record while keeping an eye on my analog watch. Looper timed itself out and went into loop mode automatically somewhere around 20 - 25 secs. I just saw the Travis/JPrice email about 8th street being the best bet so far. Look like that's our best shot! Greg out. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:34:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30902; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:12:10 -0500 From: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: DL4 Group Buy Sender: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199912021314_MC2-8F54-64C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"xFh6N.0.bU6.wShHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Anyone interested in putting a group buy together?... We could always use >>Alto music again. I know they're a Line6 dealer as I bought my POD from >>them. I'm interested in the Line6 delay and modulation stompboxes, maybe the distortion one too when it's available. A group buy is a great idea; count me in. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:34:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30898; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:12:17 -0500 From: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: EDP guts questions Sender: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199912021315_MC2-8F54-64D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Bqqco3.0.DU6.uShHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kim - Opened my EDP last night to spray some Deoxit in my noisy input pot, and while pondering the inner workings again, the following questions welled up.... 1) Is it possible for you to make the service manual available on the LD site? I enjoy and am competent to handle my own repairs, and like to have all the service manuals I can get. Years down the road, they're very handy to have around. Also they make interesting reading. Which saves you the trouble of answering questions like these: 2) What is unused main board multi-pin connector P1 for? 3) What does jumper JP1 do? 4) What are the components at B1 and B2? Probably something obvious, but I'm not a hardware geek, just a software geek with a soldering station.... 5) Where are the non-volatile params stored? Don't see a battery anywhere.... 6) Can you recommend a ribbon-cable socket that I could install for the ribbons between the main board and the two front panel boards? Reason is, those soldered-in ribbon cables can't stand much handling and are a REAL pain if they break. A few years back, my EDP was in an accident that smashed the Mix and Feedback pots. The tech (I was trying to save time by letting someone else do it - a mistake), in getting everything out, flexed the ribbon cables and broke one off. I then took the unit and fixed it, but lacking the proper ribbon-cable stripper it was a drag to strip each conducter. Next time it's apart (for the gain mods) would really to install sockets and replace the ribbons for sort of like a SCSI ribbon cable setup - able to withstand repeated removal, but unlikely to vibrate loose. 7) Is there ANY way of reconfiguring/rewiring the back-panel Overdub jack to perform Insert or Reverse? I really want Insert and Reverse both on footswitches at the same time, and have never once in 5 years used the back-panel Overdub jack. Foot controller have-nots enjoy it no doubt, but for the rest of us it's really crying out for a useful job to perform. Thanks - Bill Monk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:15:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26603; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:15:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3846B5D4.172F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:09:26 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: prayer loops References: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> <199912021452.JAA28032@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jBKxw1.0.ww5.BLhHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that some distinction is to be made between the ACT of repetition(ie.chanting,drumming,mantra,funk bass playing;))and the trance induction caused by listening to non-manual repetition. When I'm continually aware of a loop I just played ,I re-create it in my awareness and it can lead to one of the "goals" of repetitive meditation;namely the insight that nothing can be repeated.The universe is in a constant state of creative flux.If on the other hand, I ignore the loop it can become a lifeless "thing" in my awareness without much unfoldment creatively or spiritually.I go into a healing trance(not a bad idea)But,don't nessessarily become more present or creative.This goes for Prayer Wheels and Echoplexes. The dance of creativity,contemplation and trance is what I love the most about looping... Scott Kungha Drengsen http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:56:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03568; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:56:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3846C0A0.4EB6D5FD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:55:39 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tack Piano References: <3.0.1.32.19991202095039.0095ed40@tamiu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PmWeB3.0.jU.6zhHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Michael S. Yoder" wrote: > At 08:59 PM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: > > The instrument with the two antennae sounds like a theremin. > > > > To quote Johnny Carson's sidekick, "You are correct Sir!" I believe PAIA > sells them (or at least their version of the theremin). They have a web > site, but I can't remember the address (Perhaps www.PAIA.com?) > for all things theremin and moogerful, try http://www.bigbriar.com/ lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:34:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30899; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:34:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202182725.35846.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.87] From: "G716" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991201224807.007aa180@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:27:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"_O9n81.0.PA7.BfhHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One thing that spurred my interest in the MPX-100: the SPDIF out. For those of us using a PC or Mac to record with sound cards such as the SBLive -- which does have a SPDIF in -- could we use the MPX as a higher quality AD converter that resides outside of the digitally noisy PC environment? For $250, a nice effects box plus AD converter is a pretty good deal. Would it work? After I get a DL4 of course.... and by xmas gifts.... Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 13:58:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04531; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:58:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202184505.43693.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.87] From: "G716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: Group buy of Line6 DL4 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:45:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ir8Hr.0.qN.6whHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just got a response from Alto. $200 isn't bad. Don't know if it includes power. If we can't get $185 from 8th street, Alto will be a good alternative. I'll find out if it includes power supply. ----- Original Message ----- From: ALTO MUSIC To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 5:21 AM Subject: Re: Group buy of Line6 DL4 > Hi Greg-This is Jon from Alto-I'm glad to hear all is well.I can offer these > pedals to you :"loopers" for $200.I have plenty in stock and can ship > immediately.Have those who are interested go to www.altomusic.com > and click on the left side where it says contact us.Let them say that they > are from the loopers list and fill out the form that appears.We will take it > from there.Thanks-Jon from Alto Music.Let me know if you think this will > work......... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:19:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09696; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:19:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6820638e.25781e19@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:10:17 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"xdS8D2.0._n1.NHiHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Believe it or not, I did not haggle my price with 8th street re: the DL4 so on the books i actually paid less than $185. $185 was what was written on the DL4 box. I just didnt pay taxes or rather 8thstreet didnt charge me tax cause i was paying in cash ( even tho they actually will record it as a taxable transaction - they work it out in the books ). Considering all the prices i saw getting thrown around Looper's Delight and on Harmony Central - I was not even gonna haggle w/ a $185 price tag. and yes, i'm a repeat 8th street customer. i got my gr-30 there 2 yrs ago for $625-brand new along with an ibanez rg470 for 225-new and a used sp202 for $150. Once again, either Andre or Scott at 8th street music will hook you up and i'm sure they will make something happen on a bulk buy. 215.923.5040phone - also ck out: www.8thstreet.com but reach them in person or over the phone, thats is the way to go ( eyeball to eyeball ) if you are local to Phila. I personally despise any buying situation where I cant negotiate a number that I feel is reasonable. And Im of the mindset of course you should always be prepared to haggle - and do your homework, know your options and item you want to purchase and be smart in regard to knowing where and from whom to buy. and how to leverage your knowledge as best as possible in a business politic manner across the board. I know thats not everyones orientation - but it helps to have a mindset that is focused and determined on geting what you need and what you can pay for - realistically of course cause everything iS negotiable and ComPromise is probably the largest part of living a "life". it all just depends on what degree and context its taken but more or less we all negotiate and haggle and compromise. But I always share the scoop on a deal when i see one. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:53:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18250; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003901bf3cfe$6c0fd580$de70d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: mars Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"dxePh3.0.Mo3.9miHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This sounds very cool. Can you give anymore information such as web-sites/contacts. I would love to follow something like this over the web. I suppose I could search for nasa...........very interesting indeed. I was wondering if scientists had yet attempted to record "alien"/"other" atmospheres..... Anybody else out there enjoy looping "found-sounds"? I heard a drone on a passing bicycle today that sounded loop-worthy. Peace out. Jamie Mash {experimental music director wmts88.3} From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:49:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17388; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:49:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:49:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202192616.92442.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.179] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:26:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gYwdJ2.0.oq2.LWiHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for your work for the group. Let me know what pans out. papadave55@hotmail.com >From: Legion >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:27:06 -0500 > >Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > Well, actually it looks like it REALLY pays to quote "price of >indeterminate > > origin" to your local store before the counter guys have had their first >cup > > of coffee. > >Evidently. I just wanted to point out this is not the norm least we have >ten more "How did you find that price?" posts that all go unanswered >like the last few have. So far no place has a standard price of less >than $200 from what I've seen and heard. Please post otherwise if you >know of a place that has a *regular* (not haggled) lower price. > > > BTW, I truly appreciate the logic of appealing to "support your local >music > > store" while setting up a national group buy AND suggesting that we use > > Radio Shack AC adaptors. > >I think my point was clearly made (independent store VS Chain store) but >quite frankly I don't give a damn where people buy 'em. 8th st isn't the >best store in the world (Each saledude is different) but over the years >I've met some of the best salesdudes I've met in any store there and >these guys go the extra mile to take care of all their customers not >just the big spenders. Personally I think that kind of attention >deserves reward. Since we're putting together a multi purchase *someone* >has to find a place to buy them and rather than deal with the chains >that constanlty get ragged on for poor and ignorant support it just made >sense to me that we support a particular salesmen or team that has >developed a decent track record which makes things easier to buy as well >as helps them out a bit. > >As for the adaptors that was answering a question someone had yesterday >which is very pertinent to ANY DL4 user as well as people buying and >paying shipping for a $20 adapter VS one they can find around the corner >from them. > >Y'know I am trying to set this up for the list since there is so much >interest. What was all that community crap that someone wrote about the >past few days? If the best you can do is be a wiseass when somone's >going out of their way for nothing to help out the group perhaps you'd >feel more at home playing with the ignorant sellers on Ebay than >following up on someone elses's efforts to get something done instead of >talking about it. > >loop on. > >____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:50:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17734; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202185835.19043.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"u3RAl2.0.723.sXiHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Im using the mxp100 spdif directly into a sblive platinum card ($153 at Buy.com), sb platinum has drive bay extension w/ midi, spdif i/o and 1/4 line/mic. Seems to be working great. I recorded some tracks in ACID through the mxp/sb last night. Pretty cheap looping/multitrack recording setup. --- G716 wrote: > One thing that spurred my interest in the > MPX-100: the SPDIF out. For > those of us using a PC or Mac to record with > sound cards such as the > SBLive -- which does have a SPDIF in -- could > we use the MPX as a higher > quality AD converter that resides outside of > the digitally noisy PC > environment? For $250, a nice effects box plus > AD converter is a pretty > good deal. Would it work? > > After I get a DL4 of course.... and by xmas > gifts.... > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:53:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18177; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:29:13 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tibbets in a Nutshell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6Dn0p3.0.863.1ZiHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, I remember checking out Steve's original issue white label LP records from the Hennepin County Library here in Minneapolis and that's where I got my recording of YR from. Strangely, the LP had a different mix than the CD. And the first tune didn't seem to have bass guitar like the CD did. Anyway, here's my two cents: Steve Tibbets: early college experimentation, fuzztone craziness with ethnic percussion and synths. YR: amazing statement, powerful guitar, drumming and bass, with ethnic instruments. First loop I'v ever heard with Mellotron. Northern Song: quiet, pastoral acoustic statements with percussion. No electric guitar to speak of. At one point, Tibbets processed acoustic "hums like a frigidaire" (to quote musician magazine). Safe Journey: my tie for personal fave tibbets disc, loops, crazed rock, tabla, kalimba and quiet synths, very ambient, wonderful, field recordings crazed experimentation. a fabulous, fully realized statement. Exploded View: Expands on safe journey and pushes for a more belligerent, bellicose sound. Acoustics and percussion are still here, but Tibbets is gradually going from more linear electric guitar playing to wild, almost out of control feedback use. Occasional use of vocals (no lyrics, just pitched singing). Big Map Idea: I got the idea that if Led Zeppelin kicked out bonham and plant and jimmy page spent eight years in nepal that this is what that music would have sounded like. More acoustically based, but still some smatterings of electricity here. Cool blue cover too. The Fall of Us All: A juggernaut of a recording. Listen to "Dzogchen Punks" that opens the recording - giant, massive, brutish percussion with wailing electric guitar punctuated by massive increases in tempo until we finally land on a looped bed of oozing processed acoustic 12 string. Bits of quietude and ambience here and there, but this one is made to cram down your throat. Difficult listening, but oh so worthy a journey. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 14:53:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18181; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:53:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202194536.70172.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.179] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:45:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"h4Sib.0.p04.XoiHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's the phone number of 8th street? Please? or email address >From: Jprice01@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. >Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:10:17 EST > >Believe it or not, I did not haggle my price with 8th street re: the DL4 so >on the books i actually paid less than $185. > >$185 was what was written on the DL4 box. I just didnt pay taxes or rather >8thstreet didnt charge me tax cause i was paying in cash ( even tho they >actually will record it as a taxable transaction - they work it out in the >books ). > >Considering all the prices i saw getting thrown around Looper's Delight and >on Harmony Central - I was not even gonna haggle w/ a $185 price tag. > >and yes, i'm a repeat 8th street customer. i got my gr-30 there 2 yrs ago >for $625-brand new along with an ibanez rg470 for 225-new and a used sp202 >for $150. > >Once again, either Andre or Scott at 8th street music will hook you up and >i'm sure they will make something happen on a bulk buy. 215.923.5040phone - >also ck out: www.8thstreet.com > >but reach them in person or over the phone, thats is the way to go ( >eyeball to eyeball ) if you are local to Phila. > >I personally despise any buying situation where I cant negotiate a number >that I feel is reasonable. > >And Im of the mindset of course you should always be prepared to haggle - >and do your homework, know your options and item you want to purchase and >be smart in regard to knowing where and from whom to buy. and how to >leverage your knowledge as best as possible in a business politic manner >across the board. I know thats not everyones orientation - but it helps to >have a mindset that is focused and determined on geting what you need and >what you can pay for - realistically of course cause everything iS >negotiable and ComPromise is probably the largest part of living a "life". >it all just depends on what degree and context its taken but more or less >we all negotiate and haggle and compromise. > >But I always share the scoop on a deal when i see one. > >JP > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 15:21:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24764; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:21:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:21:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227D7C@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: mars Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:08:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"3-BFT3.0.Ab5.I9jHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:bienappraisers@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 7:46 PM > > Oh man- I love it! I was on the Nasa site every day when the > Pathfinder was > there snooping around- that was when I was on a 28.8 too but > I waited for > those images anyway- now I'm on cable- what are the odds they will do > streaming audio?? None, but hey- we can dream, right? But I > will actually be > able to make REAL LOOPS FROM MARS!!! Will you be using a "Space Echo?" ;-) Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 15:28:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26924; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:28:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:28:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202201700.80373.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "G716" To: References: <19991202194536.70172.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy: It's comming together Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:17:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"skhLQ.0.Zx5.vFjHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What's the phone number of 8th street? Please? or email address > > Everyone: I understand the excitement. I'm eager too, but could I ask that you hold off buying until we have a commitment from a store for a group purchase? Legion and I have been investigating various options and are working to get the best deal. Of course you're free to do what you like. I'm just considering the benefit the group gains as a "retail force" of sorts. Who knows, it might benefit us when the next batch of EDP's are released. thanks, Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 15:27:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26685; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:27:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:27:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202200927.7683.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Tibbets in a Nutshell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hbcge1.0.Zh5.ICjHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tibbets ain't shit without Marc Anderson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 15:43:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30576; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:43:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a601bf3d05$7a0768e0$de70d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: References: Subject: Re: Drum machines Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:36:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"SL4vK2.0.7v6.WVjHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I use (and like) a Roland TR626. > You can pick one up for 70-120pounds depending on condition > and at that pice they are great fun. I don't. ever since my back went out this may be alittle too much...LOL and what the hell's a "pice" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 16:18:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05939; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:18:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:18:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <38469BA9.52AC@together.net> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:17:45 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland MS-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NJv-_.0.z31.L2kHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have any experience using the Roland MS-1 sampler with a Flashdisk memory card? Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 16:17:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05903; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:17:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:17:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:08:03 -0600 Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy - those pesky market forces From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3846B9FA.32A0@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZavwI.0.Eq.X_jHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Everyone wants to get gear for the cheapest price, but let's be up-front about it. Allusions to the moral superiority of buying from 8th Street Music over Guitar Center are pointless. If Guitar Center undercut 8th Street by $50, everyone would buy a DL-4 there. If 8th Street was such a wonderful place, they'd give everyone the best deal, not just the guys who have dropped a lot of money there. 8th Street, like all independent music stores, gives discounts where it thinks it will benefit them financially, and doesn't give discounts under the same criteria. And I'm sure that 8th Street will appreciate you steering all this business to them. Nudge, nudge. All things held equal, I'd buy from 8th Street (or somewhere just like it). If GC or AMS offers a better deal, I'll buy from them. People could support "independent" music stores in their own town, but what you're proposing is that if 8th Street offers them a better price, don't support a store just because it's independent, support it because it gives you the best deal. TH > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Well, actually it looks like it REALLY pays to quote "price of indeterminate >> origin" to your local store before the counter guys have had their first cup >> of coffee. > > Evidently. I just wanted to point out this is not the norm least we have > ten more "How did you find that price?" posts that all go unanswered > like the last few have. So far no place has a standard price of less > than $200 from what I've seen and heard. Please post otherwise if you > know of a place that has a *regular* (not haggled) lower price. > >> BTW, I truly appreciate the logic of appealing to "support your local music >> store" while setting up a national group buy AND suggesting that we use >> Radio Shack AC adaptors. > > I think my point was clearly made (independent store VS Chain store) but > quite frankly I don't give a damn where people buy 'em. 8th st isn't the > best store in the world (Each saledude is different) but over the years > I've met some of the best salesdudes I've met in any store there and > these guys go the extra mile to take care of all their customers not > just the big spenders. Personally I think that kind of attention > deserves reward. Since we're putting together a multi purchase *someone* > has to find a place to buy them and rather than deal with the chains > that constanlty get ragged on for poor and ignorant support it just made > sense to me that we support a particular salesmen or team that has > developed a decent track record which makes things easier to buy as well > as helps them out a bit. > > As for the adaptors that was answering a question someone had yesterday > which is very pertinent to ANY DL4 user as well as people buying and > paying shipping for a $20 adapter VS one they can find around the corner > from them. > > Y'know I am trying to set this up for the list since there is so much > interest. What was all that community crap that someone wrote about the > past few days? If the best you can do is be a wiseass when somone's > going out of their way for nothing to help out the group perhaps you'd > feel more at home playing with the ignorant sellers on Ebay than > following up on someone elses's efforts to get something done instead of > talking about it. > > loop on. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 16:46:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13402; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:46:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:46:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <38466114.218BEEF@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:07:48 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tdvXn.0.762.OIkHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that's correct, the jamman allows you to do this with an external midi sequencer. this can be done in "loop" mode using the 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, or beats 32 to limit the length OR in "echo" mode using prg-chg messages to "tap" in the exact delay time. the edp must be able to do this and MUCH more - can anybody tell me about this? i ask because i'll be borrowing a friend's edp sometime soon. rob Dave Trenkel schrieb: > > > >I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom > >2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like > >to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, > >and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. > > > >Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? > > > >petr (pepetr@yahoo.com) > > > The JamMan will do this when under external MIDI clock control. You select > the number of beats from the front panel, tap to start recording and it > automatically stops when X-beats later. You're limited to multiples of 4 > beats, but it does work fine. > > ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > "...there will come a day when you won't have to use > gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in > your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper > type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em > together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em > together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra > ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 17:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21214; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202214249.23641.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP guts questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"DIBrL2.0.ua4.5vkHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bill, AFAIK, there is no service manual (I asked this question of Gibson & Kim many months ago). You can get a schematic only. When I have worked on my Echoplexii, Kim has always answered my questions with 24/7 tech support for free ;-) He's a mean, grumpy old man ;-), but seems to like to talk about the design and function of the EDP (if you ask him nicely, and promise to keep your baseball out of his yard). bret --- Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> wrote: > Hey Kim - > > Opened my EDP last night to spray some Deoxit in my > noisy input pot, and while > pondering the inner workings again, the following > questions welled up.... > > 1) Is it possible for you to make the service manual > available on the LD site? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 17:21:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21274; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3846EE4C.2B80@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:10:20 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: DL4 Buy - the TRUTH on the 8th st Sale... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WvXng.0.PZ4.WukHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quick version: The price for anyone who calls and wants to buy a DL4 from 8th st from this second on is $219.00 for the pedal and $17.95 for the adapter. Long version: I spent over and hour talking to the salesmen and buyer for 8th st today about the DL4, Line6 and the now infamous $185 deal. Here are some facts: 1. Line 6 shipped the units with two different prices. They *just* got them in and marked them at the wrong price. 2. The $185 sale was a special deal with a couple issues including a wrong price to start with. Congrats but you got lucky on that one. anyoe lese is free to ask for it somewhere else but I think 8th st is getting tired of being reminded about their mistake by now. 3. While I was there three people called quoting the $185 price and one person came in looking for the DL4. Can you say "hype" kids? 4. They only had 4 pedals to start with and sold them all. New stock is expected in next week sometime at a price of $219 (discount "normal" price is $229) plus the adapter. Looks like the Alto music deal is the only group buy happening at this time so I suggest people follow up with that. As for my hippie love in with 8th st VS Guitar center for the last time my point was to reward a good salesguy who did a good job vs give anonymously to an organization that has more complaints against it on a daily basis than sales from a Ma and Pa store. As for the comment of why don't they offer the good deal to everyone as opposed to big buyers, I suggest you reread my post. Enough of this though. I'm bowing out of the group buy and this thread having seen this attempt to it's conclusion. if anyone has any questions or needs to say something to me about it feel free to send me private email and i'll fill in as much as I can. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 17:21:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21394; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:21:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202133539.00806330@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:35:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy: It's comming together In-Reply-To: <19991202201700.80373.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991202194536.70172.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6DfHH2.0.ez2.EUkHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to interject a bit of attitude here...I like the LD threads and all, but... (as pee wee said long ago, there's always a big but) Why is everyone pushing their adrenaline up over $20-50 dollars price difference on the DL-4? The same people who don't think twice about getting into a bidding war over a used EDP from a stranger in another state? Relax, people...If you are so hard up to get the DL-4 (like I was, the day it came in is the day I bought it...$235 + tax, and I'm not complaining a bit!) Go to your local store, or the big chain and plunk down your cash. Is waiting and speculating on the group buy to materialize and waiting for shipping worth $20-50? it's a free country, i guess. oh, and by the way, the DL-4 smokes....enjoy. At 12:17 PM 12/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >> What's the phone number of 8th street? Please? or email address >> >> > >Everyone: I understand the excitement. I'm eager too, but could I ask that >you hold off buying until we have a commitment from a store for a group >purchase? Legion and I have been investigating >various options and are working to get the best deal. > >Of course you're free to do what you like. I'm just considering the benefit >the group gains as a "retail force" of sorts. Who knows, it might benefit >us when the next batch of EDP's are released. > >thanks, >Greg > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 17:46:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27315; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:46:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:46:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000401bf3d16$14850520$f3f831d4@demon.co.uk> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" , References: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> Subject: Re: Drum machines Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:00:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"5H8Gs2.0.0M6.8MlHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I was thinking about maybe adding a little drum machine into my studio and > I was curious if anyone here had any recommendations as to make, model, > etc. Somewhere in the $200 range is probably where I''m at (used is fine > also). I use a Boss (Roland) DR-660. I don't have all the spec' to hand, but this funky unit has served me well for over six years. Key features:- * 4 x Audio Outputs * MIDI * Tons of (editable) Drum / Percussion voices * Touch Sensitive Pads Production stopped only this year and there are still 'clearance bargains' to be found if you shop around. The '660 can also be purchased for well under 200 (UK) Pounds on the second-hand market. Regards, Lee Fletcher www : http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 17:40:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25866; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:40:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202222039.26302.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "G716" To: Cc: "ALTO MUSIC" Subject: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:20:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0239_01BF3CD0.69906C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"K7V2Q3.0.xF5.v3lHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0239_01BF3CD0.69906C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone: the work has paid off. Jon at Alto Music has come through = again. They have DL4's in stock and can ship right away. Line6 DL4: $200 Line6 Adapter: $18=20 (note - this is not a wall wart, but rather a "pregnant" extension cord. = i.e. it'll only take up one space on your power strip) How to order: Go to http://www.altomusic.com=20 On the left side of the web page click "contact us". Fill out the form and say you are from the "loopers list". My browser did not indicate that the web page is using secure = encryption, so if you're concerned about putting in a credit card = number, I've asked Jon to provide a phone number that we can call. Thanks to Legion for all his efforts researching = options as well. Off to order my own shortly... Greg p.s. If you get 2 copies of this it's because I BCC'd everyone who = specifically requested an update. ------=_NextPart_000_0239_01BF3CD0.69906C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everyone:  the work has paid = off.  Jon at=20 Alto Music has come through again.  They have DL4's in stock and = can ship=20 right away.
 
Line6 DL4: $200
Line6 Adapter: $18
(note - this is not a wall wart, but = rather a=20 "pregnant" extension cord.  i.e. it'll only take up one space on = your power=20 strip)
 
How to order:
Go to http://www.altomusic.com 
On the left side of the web page click = "contact=20 us".
Fill out the form and say you are from = the "loopers=20 list".
My browser did not indicate that = the web=20 page is using secure encryption, so if you're concerned about = putting in a=20 credit card number, I've asked Jon to provide a phone number that we can = call.
 
Thanks to Legion <legion@voicenet.com> for all = his=20 efforts researching options as well.
 
Off to order my own = shortly...
Greg
 
p.s. If you get 2 copies of this it's = because I=20 BCC'd everyone who specifically requested an = update.
------=_NextPart_000_0239_01BF3CD0.69906C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:29:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03943; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:06:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 only loops 2.5 seconds??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZY_8.0.Y_7.fplHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wrote: >Searching my DL4 info, I came across: > >"Drew Skyfyre" wrote: > >>Line6 has the manuals for the modeller pedals up at : >> >>http://www.line6.com/support/library.htm >> >>If u just want to know about the DL4, get : >>http://www.line6.com/pdf/DelayModelerDetails.pdf >> >>Nicely done manual. But, I don't know if y'all knew this, but when they say, >>"Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler", they mean it. >> >>Only the sampler does 14 seconds. The delays have a max. of 2.5 seconds. >>Dang. With all the thought they've obviously put into this product, you'd >>think they'd know to stick atleast 8 MB of RAM in there. Or even allow the >>memory to be expanded. > >now that some people actually have this unit "in hand", is this >evaluation from the manual actually accurate? Is the looping >and delay just 2.5s?? > >that would mean a BIG deal to me! No responses on this (unless I missed them). The manual's pretty unclear though I'd tend to conclude that you CAN in fact delay the whole 14s. There are a couple of specific simulations that are limited to 2.5s and they are clearly noted in the manual. BUT one of you loverly loopers must be listening to a long loop DL4 as I write this?!? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:26:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03486; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:26:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:07:59 -0600 Subject: Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991202222039.26302.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3026999279_1799577_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"a8Lyr2.0.Cn7.OmlHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3026999279_1799577_MIME_Part Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And, did they mention a shipping cost? TH From: G716 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:20:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: ALTO MUSIC Subject: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:23:39 -0500 Everyone: the work has paid off. Jon at Alto Music has come through again. They have DL4's in stock and can ship right away. Line6 DL4: $200 Line6 Adapter: $18 (note - this is not a wall wart, but rather a "pregnant" extension cord. i.e. it'll only take up one space on your power strip) How to order: Go to http://www.altomusic.com On the left side of the web page click "contact us". Fill out the form and say you are from the "loopers list". My browser did not indicate that the web page is using secure encryption, so if you're concerned about putting in a credit card number, I've asked Jon to provide a phone number that we can call. Thanks to Legion for all his efforts researching options as well. Off to order my own shortly... Greg p.s. If you get 2 copies of this it's because I BCC'd everyone who specifically requested an update. --MS_Mac_OE_3026999279_1799577_MIME_Part Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<&= lt; And, did they mention a shipping cost?

TH

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Everyone:  the work has = paid off.  Jon at Alto Music has come through again.  They have DL= 4's in stock and can ship right away.
Line6 DL4: $200
Line6 Adapter: $18
(note - this is not a wall wart, but rather a "pregnant" extensio= n cord.  i.e. it'll only take up one space on your power strip)
How to order:
Go to http://www.altomusic.com
On the left side of the web page click "contact us".
Fill out the form and say you are from the "loopers list".
My browser did not indicate that the web page is using secure encryption, s= o if you're concerned about putting in a credit card number, I've asked Jon = to provide a phone number that we can call.
Thanks to Legion <legion@voicenet.com&= gt; for all his efforts researching options as well.
Off to order my own shortly...
Greg
p.s. If you get 2 copies of this it's bec= ause I BCC'd everyone who specifically requested an update.


--MS_Mac_OE_3026999279_1799577_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:30:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04125; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202231805.58229.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.70] From: "G716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:18:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0297_01BF3CD8.6F6425E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"PllcD3.0.-M.cvlHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0297_01BF3CD8.6F6425E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quick update from John at Alto: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ALTO MUSIC=20 To: G716=20 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 10:09 AM Subject: Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< PS-I won't have the plugs until next week.I hope this isn't an = inconvenience.Thanks JH ------=_NextPart_000_0297_01BF3CD8.6F6425E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Quick update from John at = Alto:
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ALTO = MUSIC=20
To: G716
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final = Details=20 <<<<

PS-I won't have the plugs until next = week.I hope=20 this isn't an inconvenience.Thanks JH
------=_NextPart_000_0297_01BF3CD8.6F6425E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:55:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10052; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:55:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:55:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202154414.0080ac30@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:44:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 only loops 2.5 seconds??? In-Reply-To: References: <199911031100.GAA30269@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lt07V2.0.j62.7NmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far as I can tell, you can only delay for the 2.5 seconds. You have to switch into LOOP SAMPLER mode to have access the 14 seconds. You can do a long (read long) decay delay by keeping the Loop in Overdub mode, but you will have no control over the decay rate as it flushes earlier stuff. Later, rich At 06:06 PM 12/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >I wrote: > >>Searching my DL4 info, I came across: >> >>"Drew Skyfyre" wrote: >> >>>Line6 has the manuals for the modeller pedals up at : >>> >>>http://www.line6.com/support/library.htm >>> >>>If u just want to know about the DL4, get : >>>http://www.line6.com/pdf/DelayModelerDetails.pdf >>> >>>Nicely done manual. But, I don't know if y'all knew this, but when they say, >>>"Programmable Delay & 14 Second Loop Sampler", they mean it. >>> >>>Only the sampler does 14 seconds. The delays have a max. of 2.5 seconds. >>>Dang. With all the thought they've obviously put into this product, you'd >>>think they'd know to stick atleast 8 MB of RAM in there. Or even allow the >>>memory to be expanded. >> >>now that some people actually have this unit "in hand", is this >>evaluation from the manual actually accurate? Is the looping >>and delay just 2.5s?? >> >>that would mean a BIG deal to me! > >No responses on this (unless I missed them). > >The manual's pretty unclear though I'd tend to conclude that >you CAN in fact delay the whole 14s. There are a couple of >specific simulations that are limited to 2.5s and they are >clearly noted in the manual. > >BUT one of you loverly loopers must be listening to a long >loop DL4 as I write this?!? > > /t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:56:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10267; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:56:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991202185020.007ae590@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:50:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (was) Tack Piano (now) Theremania In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991202095039.0095ed40@tamiu.edu> References: <0.3c7bdad2.25772c67@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"BQDjl2.0.4A2.5OmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, mine's a Paia Theremax. Bob Moog's company, Big Briar, also makes several models. Tim At 09:50 AM 12/2/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 08:59 PM 12/1/99 EST, you wrote: >> The instrument with the two antennae sounds like a theremin. > >To quote Johnny Carson's sidekick, "You are correct Sir!" I believe PAIA >sells them (or at least their version of the theremin). They have a web >site, but I can't remember the address (Perhaps www.PAIA.com?) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:53:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09184; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:53:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:53:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991202234702.60576.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "G716" To: References: Subject: Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:47:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"St_zM3.0.qs1.oKmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<----- Original Message ----- >From: Travis Hartnett >And, did they mention a shipping cost? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 18:54:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09578; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:54:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202154126.00806900@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:41:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< In-Reply-To: References: <19991202222039.26302.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2BMdu1.0.lr1.WKmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not a whiz on shipping costs re: weight/size and such, but Travis has a point...This unit is Heavy (compared to a standard boss/dod stompbox design.) It would kinda suck to have a hefty shipping bill to deflate everyone's excitement. later, rich At 05:07 PM 12/2/99 -0600, you wrote: > And, did they mention a shipping cost? > > TH > > >> From: <> >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:20:41 -0800 >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Cc: <> >> Subject: >>>><<<< >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:23:39 -0500 >> >> > > >> They have DL4's in stock and can ship right away. >> >> Line6 DL4: $200 >> Line6 Adapter: $18 >>"" i.e. it'll only take up one space on your power strip) >> >> How to order: >> Go to http://www.altomusic.com >>"". >>"". >> My browser did not indicate that the web page is using secure >>encryption, so if you're concerned about putting in a credit card number, >>I've asked Jon to provide a phone number that we can call. >> >> <> for all his efforts researching options as well. >> >> Off to order my own shortly... >> Greg >> >> p.s. If you get 2 copies of this it's because I BCC'd everyone who >>specifically requested an update. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 19:15:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14661; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:15:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:15:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991202190948.007ab100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:09:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: mars/found sounds In-Reply-To: <003901bf3cfe$6c0fd580$de70d6d1@micronjenni> References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"38qbv3.0.2F3.6gmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:50 PM 12/2/99 -0600, you wrote: >This sounds very cool. Can you give anymore information such as >web-sites/contacts. I would love to follow something like this over the web. >I suppose I could search for nasa...........very interesting indeed. I was >wondering if scientists had yet attempted to record "alien"/"other" >atmospheres..... Last Saturday I had a loop jam with a drumming friend of mine (who's on the list, but still in "lurk" mode; Hi Porp!) and throughout the whole thing, many hours, he had a cable feed from the space shuttle cam going on a video monitor. It went perfectly with the music! > Anybody else out there enjoy looping "found-sounds"? I heard a drone on >a passing bicycle today that sounded loop-worthy. Check out and ask for Matt. Several list members are on that project. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 19:28:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17901; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:28:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE96@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<< Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:09:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF3D21.F0DD314A" Resent-Message-ID: <"rKElG3.0.1G3.SgmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF3D21.F0DD314A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" hey y'all, gotta say. all of this snipping and bickering about whether or not to do a group deal (not the actual attempt to do one, by the way) and whether or not the price is really worth it, etc., makes me yearn for politics or time/space or even guitar string threads. if people wanna try a group buy can't we just let 'em do it and not editorialize about it?? i dig the enthusiasm for copping the new stuff. what a laugh, me attempting to be "a voice of reason" . . . :-) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF3D21.F0DD314A Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Re: >>>> Line6 DL4 Group Buy Final Details <<<<
hey y'all,
 
 
gotta say. all of this snipping and bickering about whether or not to do a group deal (not the actual attempt to do one, by the way) and whether or not the price is really worth it, etc., makes me yearn for politics or time/space or even guitar string threads.
 
if people wanna try a group buy can't we just let 'em do it and not editorialize about it?? i dig the enthusiasm for copping the new stuff.
 
what a laugh, me attempting to be "a voice of reason" . . . :-)
 
 
stig
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01BF3D21.F0DD314A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 19:32:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18950; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:32:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:32:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3847057A.A43C12E6@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:49:14 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Slightly on topic/synth modules with looping? References: <001e01bf3c5e$a6313ba0$56c156d1@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uxFLi.0.dI4.QvmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've got the 1010 and it's a LOT of bang for the buck. mine came with the emagic sounddiver software for editing patches, too - nice bonus. the sounds are really good (makes the korg stuff sound pretty bland imo), and you can screw around with more parameters than you'll have time in your life for. either that, or your spouse will leave ya. i haven't got an expansion board (yet), i'm still exploring all the possiblities already there with the basic module. ahhh, "looping"? you just put that in the title to get this on the list, eh? anyway, at that price, you can't go wrong - git it! bye-ya, rob Ed and Jennifer Drake schrieb: > > > Hello loopfolk, > I'm in the market for an inexpensive but decent synth/drum module > to use with my sequencer and incorporate into my looping and I thought I > would check and see if anyone knows anything about the Roland JV-1010 which > is available for a little over $400. It has 64 voice polyphony and lots of > drum and synth sounds and has room for one expansion board. If you know of > any other modules that are inexpensive but good (bang for the buck is > important!) that would be cool too. If this is too off topic please reply > privately. > Thanks in advance! > Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 19:42:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21828; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:42:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:42:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3847030D.ADD3227E@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:38:53 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Some samples of Vortex sounds... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wxDVy.0.bH4.CvmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahhh, gimme a bit of that paranoid music mucho maas ... brought to you live on KCUF! REPORT ALL OBSCENE MAIL TO YOUR POTSMASTER! i got a kick out of your sounds ... the url spoke "crying lots" to me ;-) a-and let's keep this away from the trystero you know what i'm raving about, rob slothrop! Todd Madson schrieb: > > > > Geez, if I'd known.... > > There are lots of MP3 files I've made and they're on the net for > download. > > You can first of all check out: > http://www.waste.org/~crash/asb.html > -and- > http://www.waste.org/~crash/loopage.html > -and- > http://webriffs.dhs.org/ > -and- > http://www.waste.org/~crash/crash.html > > The ASB site has, naturally, ASB music on it. > Many of the sounds in the track "aliensporebomb" are vortexed to death.. > There's 6 stereo pairs of electric guitars playing in harmony and all are > processed thru the vortex. Then, the drum machine has drums and bass > playing, but is also the source of the "synthesizer" in the background. > > The synth pad is created by taking the other two bass guitar samples > in the drum computer and tuning them up one and two octaves respectively > and mapping key notes to the drum pads. Then I "play" the pads for each > rhythmic pattern. > > I then take a line out from the drum machine and into the vortex running > a custom patch I created. The tap tempo was used to further give the > illusion that you're hearing a big keyboard synth thru a swirling leslie > like patch. > > The drum machine allows you to send specific signals through any of its > six outputs (stereo left, stereo right, then 1 2 3 and 4). This allows > processing of specific signals while leaving others unprocessed. A very > nice feature. > > So essentially, you're hearing 1 guitar and 1 drum machine. But due to > the multiple outputs of the drum computer you can do a heck of a lot, and > the Vortex has much mutational power. > > Let's see, the stuff at webriffs....lots of that is vortexed to death > too... Late nite has a clean guitar thru a choir patch with the tuned-up > bass samples from the drum computer into the vortex using another custom > patch. There is no bass guitar or synth on this tune, just one guitar > and one drum machine, the drum machine is playing internal samples to > create the bass and "synth" parts (which are tuned up basses). The > higher pitched "synth" stuff is a fingerpicked bass up two octaves, the > lower pitched (sounds a bit like rubato electric piano thru chorus and > delay) is an acco contrabass sample up an octave or so. > > "Dance of Life Part 2", guitar and Kawai K4 synth processed thru the > vortex there. The lead guitar is conventional until the fake B3 > (processed thru orbits) drops out and then you've got a guitar thru > a mesa boogie studio preamp thru a mxr blue box thru a boss oc-2 > octave box into the vortex (on that dynaflanger patch, aerosol I > think) direct to the board. The drum programming is actually the > drum machine into the vortex using a tap tempo delay to create some > complex counter rhythms.. > > I could go on...am I crazy enough for you yet? > > The looppage stuff at my site...the flanging on "unravelling" (short > version) is vortex I believe, just 1 guitar and nothing else... > > Oh....and the Vortex can rock too. Check out my crash page to hear > "The Velocity of Naught", crunching chunks of heavy metal madness... > the song that could not be killed. Nothing special in terms of weird > panning but it sounds allright. > > -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 19:36:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20213; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:36:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202181330.007c1d10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:13:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 In-Reply-To: <3845B8D3.21D08302@minds-eye.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TW0tP1.0.nW3.XjmHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... I just got done messing around with the DL-4 at the local store. While I'm definitely impressed with the massive features and the great sound quality--I want to inform some loopers about some weird things (especially you Boomerang users). The DL-4 has no function for muting your live signal like the THRU switch on the 'Rang. Even with the DL-4's useful mixing controls, it will always spit out your live signal along with the loops. For a two-amp setup (like I have), one might want to be able to defeat that live signal in order to have that second looping amp coughing out only the loops. For someone using only one amp for everything (which is exactly who this pedal was made for, I would assume), there should be no problems. Other functions of the looper mirror those of the 'Rang--with some differences. You can switch to half-speed mode as you play (which is nice), but getting into reverse mode while playing requires a double-click of the half-speed button, which cycles you through the half-speed mode briefly. This takes some getting used to, and is a little annoying. Also, loops begin immediately--whether you hit RECORD/PLAY a second time or hit PLAY/STOP to end the looping. There's no way (at least from what I can tell from my exposure to the unit) to grab something on the fly and start the loop later. Anyway, these were some things that I thought were important while trying it out. I spent about 45 minutes with it. I didn't even beging to fool around with all the delay models! The 800 millisec. delay before the looper is a fine, fine feature--and the expression pedal control is a great touch, too. I think it's a fantastic pedal! I believe that it would really be more beneficial to some users if it had some of the aforementioned extras. Anyone else have any takes on this? Sincerely, Jeff McLeod Montgomery, AL __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 20:03:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26720; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:03:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:57:53 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, subversive@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 Resent-Message-ID: <"PF64J1.0.vC6.GNnHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 12/02 4:33 PM >>> > The DL-4 has no function for muting your live signal like the THRU switch on the 'Rang. Even with the DL-4's useful mixing controls, it will always spit out your live signal along with the loops. For a two-amp setup (like I have), one might want to be able to defeat that live signal in order to have that second looping amp coughing out only the loops. For someone using only one amp for everything (which is exactly who this pedal was made for, I would assume), there should be no problems. This bodes poorly for those of us who would like to put it on a mixer aux send as well... Hmmm?! Typically you want only 100% wet stuff coming back at you or you start getting into phase and doubling problems. > Other functions of the looper mirror those of the 'Rang--with some differences. You can switch to half-speed mode as you play (which is nice), but getting into reverse mode while playing requires a double-click of the half-speed button, which cycles you through the half-speed mode briefly. This takes some getting used to, and is a little annoying. I've been thinking it would be nicer to have the reverse as a single tap anyway. But I guess you gets what you pays for... Maybe this is going to be my small rig box for running out the door with my GT-5. > Also, loops begin immediately--whether you hit RECORD/PLAY a second time or hit PLAY/STOP to end the looping. There's no way (at least from what I can tell from my exposure to the unit) to grab something on the fly and start the loop later. What about a quick double stomp on PLAY/STOP? Will that shut it off quickly? Thanks for the heads up Jeff! -m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 21:00:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06802; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.842d7da2.25787ce9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:54:49 EST Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"u9tO73.0.aN1.bCoHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > One thing that spurred my interest in the MPX-100: the SPDIF out. For > those of us using a PC or Mac to record with sound cards such as the > SBLive -- which does have a SPDIF in -- could we use the MPX as a higher > quality AD converter that resides outside of the digitally noisy PC > environment? For $250, a nice effects box plus AD converter is a pretty > good deal. Would it work? Yes, it works fine. You can even send a dry signal to SPDIF while hearing the the reverb on analogue OP. If your software can cope you get 20 bit. (and the 44.1kHz sample rate is the best if your going CD) >I want to be able to > get some really freaked-out guitar tones then you'd like the Vortex > MPX-100 - > How flexible is this unit in its effects settings and > the routing of multiple effects? not very tweakable > How good are the > delays for loop purposes? Would I be able to, say, > set a short infinite delay (1-3 sec) to swirl > atmospherically behind a longer Headrush loop? there's a 2.5s looper, there's a 5s delay (no feedback, so need a mixer for loops) > Can the Vortex's ability to set interesting polyrhythmic > echoes be duplicated? No, but there's some nice rhythmic echoes > Could the unit be configured to > act as two independent mono processors for pre- AND post-loop > messing-about? yes, but limited, it has a number of dual mono settings Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 21:40:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16376; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:40:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9cd1e5ca.257885d6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:32:54 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 price To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"LLigJ1.0.Aa3.RmoHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My kind dude at West L.A. Music let me out with their last one for $229, despite a slew of people waiting for more of them... eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 21:51:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18915; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:51:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00e001bf3d39$64db7f40$1d5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <19991202165109.38484.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: safe journey Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:52:07 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Qhsc1.0.UK4.7yoHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you speaking about the film Latcho Drom? (LD it's safe journey in the gipsy language romani.... sorry if it's not your topic. I been finding these film for years here ( in the internet it's 70 u$s ) Thanks in advance. julio ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: Re: safe journey > I've checked several stores here in Santa Cruz for Safe Journey. None have > it. Do you have an exact address to order it? :) > > > >From: klowy > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: , > >Subject: safe journey > >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0500 > > > >any of the major on line stores should have it (amazon, CD NOW, etc). you > >should also check out steve's first LP (on CD) called "yr". this is an > >amazing record as well. when it was reviewed (by me, actually) in the > >rolling stone record guide, we gave it 5 stars! > > > >klowy > > > > > > >where can you get "safe journey" and how much is it??? > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 22:14:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25496; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:14:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:14:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5f23f931.25788e5b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:09:15 EST Subject: Re: Tibbets in a Nutshell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"58uXi2.0.726.4JpHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com todd.......thanks for the great review........now i got to buy tibbets........yipes..........:).......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 22:05:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22977; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38466114.218BEEF@compuserve.com> References: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:57:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Delete Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"p81fN3.0.8D5.Q9pHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow....so many messages....so little time..... delete ... delete... delete my damn ccomputer keyboard is in loop mode... Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 22:32:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31290; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:32:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991202223529.007a8640@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:35:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sQJG-2.0.9G7.7ZpHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks to everybody who responded to this post so far. Dave, could you elaborate on the looping properties of the MPX-100? I'm assuming that it's an "infinite hold" delay line (with tap-tempo) rather than a sample-type looper. Can the feedback be controlled on the fly? Is there an expression pedal input, and can it be assigned to different parameters? Andre - it'd be difficult to read all this stuff on the Vortex and not figure out that it's out of production. =) There seems, however, to be a fairly steady traffic in used units, judging from recent listings on eBay and the Harmony Central classifieds. Thanks again, y'all! Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 23:00:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07602; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:00:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <022f01bf24ef$03d46ca0$0901a8c0@PROBE09.PROBELANCOM> From: "viridian" To: Subject: Re: Drum Machines Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:58:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021E_01BF254B.25326DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"qA5EW3.0.XW1.G-pHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01BF254B.25326DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best drum boxes have to be the TR 909 and 808. They pump best = through any amount of analog filter / distortion pedal. ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01BF254B.25326DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The best drum boxes have to be the TR 909 = and 808.=20 They pump best through any amount of analog filter / distortion=20 pedal.
------=_NextPart_000_021E_01BF254B.25326DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 00:07:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25988; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:07:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:07:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912030500.AAA05774@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:02:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100vs Quad 2 From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"I9WSx2.0.Yn5.zwqHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i still use my quadraverb 2 for looping and i am happy i feed it into my MPX 1 which is cool but expensive..the quad however is cheap! love and kisses c.white ---------- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 12:56 AM > >>Thanks to everybody who responded to this post so far. Dave, could you >>elaborate on the looping properties of the MPX-100? I'm assuming that it's >>an "infinite hold" delay line (with tap-tempo) rather than a sample-type >>looper. > >I was distinctly unimpressed by the long delay on the MPX-100. The 5-sec >patch has no feedback at all, and to try long-delay type looping I had to >feed the unit back into itself via a mixer, a poor solution. Someone >correct me if I'm mistaken; I didn't own it for long. Real nice piece for >the price, though--maybe even an essential for the small studio. IMO, you >gotta have Lex reverb. > >I was searching for a good "front end" solution--as input to loops--and, >having had a Boss ME-8 which I liked but wanted a tabletop or rack piece >rather than break my back with a floor unit, was considering a used GX-700. >Still haven't dug into it yet, but the Boss VF-1 is a great overall >effector while being very nice for all-in-one guitar effecting as well. >I'm not big on stuff like "cabinet simulation", and the preamp stages kick >up too much noise for me, but comments from "real" guitar players I've seen >have been very positive. Now, a VF-1 at $360 or used Vortex plus MPX-100 >for maybe $400? Different beasts, but the latter is sweet. Really, I >think all three would be spectacular. Then you gotta loop, though.... > >Things are pretty good. You could get all three items mentioned plus a >Headrush and DL4--and throw in a couple of Zoom 2100's and Mackie 1202--for >less than the price of a PCM80! Of course you could get a used car for >that too, but I'm happy walking.... > >David Myers > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 2 23:58:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23044; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:58:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991202223529.007a8640@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:56:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Resent-Message-ID: <"FIVSC1.0.4N5.DrqHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Thanks to everybody who responded to this post so far. Dave, could you >elaborate on the looping properties of the MPX-100? I'm assuming that it's >an "infinite hold" delay line (with tap-tempo) rather than a sample-type >looper. I was distinctly unimpressed by the long delay on the MPX-100. The 5-sec patch has no feedback at all, and to try long-delay type looping I had to feed the unit back into itself via a mixer, a poor solution. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken; I didn't own it for long. Real nice piece for the price, though--maybe even an essential for the small studio. IMO, you gotta have Lex reverb. I was searching for a good "front end" solution--as input to loops--and, having had a Boss ME-8 which I liked but wanted a tabletop or rack piece rather than break my back with a floor unit, was considering a used GX-700. Still haven't dug into it yet, but the Boss VF-1 is a great overall effector while being very nice for all-in-one guitar effecting as well. I'm not big on stuff like "cabinet simulation", and the preamp stages kick up too much noise for me, but comments from "real" guitar players I've seen have been very positive. Now, a VF-1 at $360 or used Vortex plus MPX-100 for maybe $400? Different beasts, but the latter is sweet. Really, I think all three would be spectacular. Then you gotta loop, though.... Things are pretty good. You could get all three items mentioned plus a Headrush and DL4--and throw in a couple of Zoom 2100's and Mackie 1202--for less than the price of a PCM80! Of course you could get a used car for that too, but I'm happy walking.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 00:16:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28688; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:16:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384742CB.10BABCC9@erols.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:11:03 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 8th St. References: <199912030048.TAA23135@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c5Tpi1.0.Mb6.S2rHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi The fact is 8th St. behaves like most other businesses with a little more leeway. If you are a regular customer, they will take very good care of you. Big job or little it makes no difference.as long as you are buying something from time to time. They act distracted and aloof because they are busy and they are very grateful when you are patient. Pick somebody you like there and deal with them. I have found that they are loyal and helpful and will help you with anything you bring them even with things that they don't deal in. Even if you are not a regular their prices are usually $20 or more lower than most advertised street prices. Not affiliated in any way the 8th St Music. Fiveman From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 00:11:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27116; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:11:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912030507.AAA26938@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:08:39 -0400 Subject: Re: ... Mixer Feedbackking From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"66khk.0.rN6.c0rHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahh it is just sound no damage will be done! unless you want it to damage. ---------- >From: "sock s" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: ... Mixer Feedbackking >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 12:58 AM > >about mixer feedbacking.. > >Im wondering what it sounds like , and if it could be damaging to the mixer at all, >or make it permanently more noisy somehow. >Id like more info on how its done - is anyone doing it with regular (not >specially-made) ? >Id like to hear sound samples if any are available anywhere. > > >I have a Yamaha "Recording Mixer" model RM602 >that seems like it might work well for this feedback purpose. > >some specs: >6 channels , 6 main ins, 4 tape outs , 4 tape ins / 2 phono ins (all >channels switchable from main ins to tape/phono ins) , efx send , sterio >efx return , aux in , sterio insert, , two sets of sterio main outs , >separate pannable monitor mixer for each channel , and sterio monitor out(s) >..so maybe recording mixers are good for looking into for this purpose.. > > > >What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. >http://www.n2mail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 00:07:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26011; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:07:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:58:51 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: ... Mixer Feedbackking X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.42 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ceXFg.0.bg5.BvqHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com about mixer feedbacking.. Im wondering what it sounds like , and if it could be damaging to the mixer at all, or make it permanently more noisy somehow. Id like more info on how its done - is anyone doing it with regular (not specially-made) ? Id like to hear sound samples if any are available anywhere. I have a Yamaha "Recording Mixer" model RM602 that seems like it might work well for this feedback purpose. some specs: 6 channels , 6 main ins, 4 tape outs , 4 tape ins / 2 phono ins (all channels switchable from main ins to tape/phono ins) , efx send , sterio efx return , aux in , sterio insert, , two sets of sterio main outs , separate pannable monitor mixer for each channel , and sterio monitor out(s) ..so maybe recording mixers are good for looking into for this purpose.. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 01:37:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16903; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:37:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:37:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.97b99031.2578bba5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:22:29 EST Subject: Re: EH-reissues To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"iIyyQ2.0.oQ3.c7sHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com + * + * + ======+ * + The EH MicroSynth is very cooool.....I played the old one in Chicago a few years ago...of-course they wanted $400 for it when there was no bottom to it--but was cool! One of the sliders sounds like a cat grooowwl-----------very cool... but I unfortunately have have not had the chance to play the new one or the bass one...... * + * + * (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystalized)))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 01:34:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16123; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:34:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:34:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.714bf132.2578bd1e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:28:46 EST Subject: Re: perhaps someone are using Atari Falcon here? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"sKJ9o.0.Cj3.TDsHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com + * + ::::::::::::::::+ * * I like my ATARI too...but I like Defender the best.....hee hee ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystalized))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 01:32:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15991; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:32:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ca7edb31.2578bcb8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:27:04 EST Subject: Re: OT: begin of millenium. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"DRbPc2.0.Fg3.rBsHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com + * + + * + * I like your ideas.......... ok save the guitar and bass hee hee ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystalized))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) + * + * From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 02:09:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23060; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:09:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:09:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.78348832.2578bf10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:37:04 EST Subject: Re: begin of millenium To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"VLbeX2.0.y84.CLsHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com + * + * + * + I like math geeks....................................... ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystalized))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 02:11:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23370; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.97b99033.2578beb4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:35:32 EST Subject: Re: re>group buy - read this one!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"49M8a2.0.l64.oJsHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Hey Scott, Which GC do you work at? and what department?? I used to work for the one in Chicago-in drums and accessories (of course always playing over in keyboards too). All of my guys have been terminated from there...can I count on you for good deals????? (Just remember I know the system and cost--hee hee) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystal)))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 02:11:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23303; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:11:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:11:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8dad1cf9.2578c494@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:00:36 EST Subject: Re: Slightly on topic/synth modules with looping? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"7-q4g.0.YB5.IhsHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am currently using the Korg Electribe, Drum Box and Synth Box (unfortunately run $399 each) but they are Analog Modeling, and sound nice and trashy. I play for hours at a time synced up to my loopers...WWEEEEEEEE. The Roland "Groove" series stuff is really cool, I just wanted the realtime analog controls (I love knobs). John Painter In a message dated 12/2/99 10:55:43 AM, ejmd@erols.com writes: << Hello loopfolk, I'm in the market for an inexpensive but decent synth/drum module to use with my sequencer and incorporate into my looping and I thought I would check and see if anyone knows anything about the Roland JV-1010 which is available for a little over $400. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 02:15:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24395; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:15:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:15:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:55:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3846A4C1.5D6A@voicenet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"qQiZj1.0.u45.aesHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If this thing happens within the next week, you can count me in. If beyond that, I'm sorry, but I'm itching to get this DL-4 myself. | -----Original Message----- | From: Legion [mailto:legion@voicenet.com] | Subject: Line6 DL4 group buy - Putting it together. | HOWEVER, I asked about a group buy and they said they will gladly do | something for us. I am going to go in talk to them this afternoon (and | try out a pedal :)). 8th st is a licensed dealer of Line6 and ships From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 03:29:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05034; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:29:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384774E2.CDDC68EE@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:44:34 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 References: <3.0.6.32.19991202181330.007c1d10@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jnmgn3.0.BI7.4LtHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank you jeff. great review. jimmy george Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, all... > > I just got done messing around with the DL-4 at the local store. While I'm > definitely impressed with the massive features and the great sound > quality--I want to inform some loopers about some weird things (especially > you Boomerang users). The DL-4 has no function for muting your live signal > like the THRU switch on the 'Rang. Even with the DL-4's useful mixing > controls, it will always spit out your live signal along with the loops. > For a two-amp setup (like I have), one might want to be able to defeat that > live signal in order to have that second looping amp coughing out only the > loops. For someone using only one amp for everything (which is exactly who > this pedal was made for, I would assume), there should be no problems. > > Other functions of the looper mirror those of the 'Rang--with some > differences. You can switch to half-speed mode as you play (which is nice), > but getting into reverse mode while playing requires a double-click of the > half-speed button, which cycles you through the half-speed mode briefly. > This takes some getting used to, and is a little annoying. Also, loops > begin immediately--whether you hit RECORD/PLAY a second time or hit > PLAY/STOP to end the looping. There's no way (at least from what I can tell > from my exposure to the unit) to grab something on the fly and start the > loop later. > > Anyway, these were some things that I thought were important while trying > it out. I spent about 45 minutes with it. I didn't even beging to fool > around with all the delay models! The 800 millisec. delay before the looper > is a fine, fine feature--and the expression pedal control is a great touch, > too. I think it's a fantastic pedal! I believe that it would really be more > beneficial to some users if it had some of the aforementioned extras. > Anyone else have any takes on this? > > Sincerely, > Jeff McLeod > Montgomery, AL > > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 04:20:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14376; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 04:20:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 04:20:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@logan.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: question about synths Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"T8mOP2.0.882.HHuHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm getting ready to buy one, maybe two keybaords. i am so far in favor of the triton, although the novelty has worn off about now, and i'm also thinking about the yamaha S80 and EX5 or EX5R. i am truly impressed with the acoustic modeling technology of the EX5, but that's really all i'd want out of it. i also want a great piano action keyboard, and i don't know if the S80 is for me because it doesn't have hammer action keys. what are the most realistic piano-like boards out there? and if you have a triton, is any of the expansion really necessary? thanks, scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 05:52:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30159; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:52:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:52:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009801bf3dad$db6c2f00$caf44cc1@bruce> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> <000401bf3d16$14850520$f3f831d4@demon.co.uk> Subject: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:45:06 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"4lyWT1.0.w67.N-vHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > * Touch Sensitive Pads Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does that mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, actually) in real (hah!) time? I'd like to get a unit that allows both programming and playing, preferably with Indian/middle eastern sounds, but I thought you had to get something like the Roland spd20 or Zendrum for that.... But I don't think you can program the spd20 like the Boss series?? Thanks, Bruce Comens From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 06:01:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32091; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:01:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:01:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002001bf3e0b$10f1aee0$aa8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <19991130223232.65995.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:53:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"isiCB2.0.9O7.14wHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: Space Echo RE 201 and "the Fantastic" Echoplex echo chamber > These two items have been idle in my studio for some time. I'm wondering if > there are replacement tape cartriges that could be found anywhere for either > or both of these dinosaurs. They both work but need to be rigged with new > tape. Is there a museum?Any help would be appreciated. Om and Out, Papa > Dave > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > howdy Dave. I'm possitive roland still make the tapes. I dont need any right now cause > I still have 18 of the barstards. Just hunt them down . Every roland distributer=get on their > backs. I wish they'd make the machines again. the barstards. It shoud be easier > were ever you are, cause I'm in Australia, you know, down under(ARSE END) > and there's nothing here. We just get the left over shit. good luck! cam. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 06:27:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04404; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:27:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:27:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3848261C.BE2E0D9A@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:20:44 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what I think is a cool idea for the EDP (unfortunately, I will probably never own one) References: <19991202155326.17703.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_NJM03.0.Lu.pXwHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com M T wrote: > > Here's an idea for the edp rev. software: > > If the edp could support loading digital audio loops via midi (probably not > possible, I think) You can do it by midi sample dump but its soo slow http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html#dump >or via another port, someone else could write a program to > store audio loops in banks of 9 (not to exceed 198 seconds). Then you could > load the edp with a particular bank of samples in the memory you weren't going > to use to loop. Or you could download loops you particularly liked into the > bank software for later use. It would make the edp twice as cool (the > hard-core loopers might disagree). This is a new generation of hardware every thing from there is possible.... > Of course, I'd be happy if I could get my hands on the old one. > > MT > Every body here thinks you'll get one Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 07:03:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10824; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384797F9.8E54AA5@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:14:17 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Slightly on topic/synth modules with looping? References: <0.8dad1cf9.2578c494@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ghmrQ1.0.dM2.y1xHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the jv1010 is of course a different beast entirely from the korg electribe stuff. when i said that the korg stuff pales in comparison with the roland, i meant the korg n5xr and x5dr boxes. as john mentioned, the great thing about the electribes/ groove machines is the real-time control waiting right there under your fingers. the jv1010 is less freaky but offers a much wider palette of sounds. fwiw, rob JohnFlem@aol.com schrieb: > > > I am currently using the Korg Electribe, Drum Box and Synth Box > (unfortunately run $399 each) but they are Analog Modeling, and sound nice > and trashy. I play for hours at a time synced up to my loopers...WWEEEEEEEE. > The Roland "Groove" series stuff is really cool, I just wanted the realtime > analog controls (I love knobs). > John Painter > > In a message dated 12/2/99 10:55:43 AM, ejmd@erols.com writes: > > << Hello loopfolk, > I'm in the market for an inexpensive but decent synth/drum module > to use with my sequencer and incorporate into my looping and I thought I > would check and see if anyone knows anything about the Roland JV-1010 which > is available for a little over $400. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 07:03:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10819; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3847A7AB.41A1B0B0@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:21:15 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ... Mixer Feedbackking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iNb56.0.SN2.52xHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you've only got one fx send, it'll be a bit difficult to do anything very interesting ... but you can also route the monitor and tape outs back into the mixer. ALSO: the sound of the mixer alone feedbacking into itself is probably going to get real boring real quick. AND you'll need some external fx! examples: delays with hold, pitchshifters, modulation (flangers, phasers), distortion, vocoders, autopanners ... you name it. the idea is to put these into the feedback loops: i.e. aux-send/mon-out/tape-out --> fx --> channel strip you'll have to play around ... have fun! rob sock s schrieb: > > > about mixer feedbacking.. > > Im wondering what it sounds like , and if it could be damaging to the mixer at all, > or make it permanently more noisy somehow. > Id like more info on how its done - is anyone doing it with regular (not specially-made) ? > Id like to hear sound samples if any are available anywhere. > > I have a Yamaha "Recording Mixer" model RM602 > that seems like it might work well for this feedback purpose. > > some specs: > 6 channels , 6 main ins, 4 tape outs , 4 tape ins / 2 phono ins (all channels switchable from main ins to tape/phono ins) , efx send , sterio efx return , aux in , sterio insert, , two sets of sterio main outs , separate pannable monitor mixer for each channel , and sterio monitor out(s) > ..so maybe recording mixers are good for looking into for this purpose.. > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 07:03:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10839; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:03:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3847A975.4EE781A@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:28:53 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Drum Machines References: <022f01bf24ef$03d46ca0$0901a8c0@PROBE09.PROBELANCOM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oKsmF3.0.cN2.62xHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i dig these vintage boxes too but i'm not interested in paying vintage prices for them ... next bets: rebirth for your computer or samples for your sampler if anyone's interested, i've got akai samples (mpc2000) for umpteen vintage drum machines - some of these are so bizarre, that i have a hard time imagining there being accepted back in the dark ages, uhh i mean 70's. later, rob > viridian schrieb: > > The best drum boxes have to be the TR 909 and 808. They pump best > through any amount of analog filter / distortion pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 08:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22005; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:58:25 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DL-4 is $249 at Guitar Center Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wBvyR3.0.375.BxxHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All: I got a guitar center mailing that indicates the DL-4 is $249 @ Guitar Center. A group buy in the $200-220 range makes sense. And if you can get it for $185, so much the better. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 08:52:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30984; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:52:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:52:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriswv1@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d1f00cb9.25792367@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:45:11 EST Subject: breakbeat/jazz project on cd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 47 Resent-Message-ID: <"0iqvE.0.OG7.bcyHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com volumes 1 and 2 $10 each plus shipping. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 09:06:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01658; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:06:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:49:26 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Commentary to the commentary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NCkny2.0.3W7.UgyHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com whoa... rt cummings said: > ahhh, gimme a bit of that paranoid music mucho maas ... brought to you > live on KCUF! Uh yeah. > REPORT ALL OBSCENE MAIL TO YOUR POTSMASTER! Thanks, I think. > i got a kick out of your sounds ... the url spoke "crying lots" to me > ;-) Love the dolphins, she said. Write by waste. > a-and let's keep this away from the trystero To quote Mike Keneally: "Potato." you know what i'm raving about, "All too well." > rob > slothrop! You're gonna seriously confuse some people! -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 09:33:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07339; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:33:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DA5E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:27:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"kInlS1.0.1V1.-DzHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, That's a really good post. I was wondering about details of dl-4. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod [mailto:subversive@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 7:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 09:37:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08345; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4b819a58.25792af6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:17:26 EST Subject: Re: DL4 Buy - the TRUTH ??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sl-cC2.0.U_.q4zHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the truth is never quite out there when you deal with negotiable pricing. do you actually believe "everything" that salespeople tell you all the time ? you will always get the truth that is convenient for them to give you :) as mentioned numerous times before, the 8th street guys are local and definitely work with the locals who buy from them but they also know when the opportunity is there to get better margins - each and every deal is different there according to the opportunities presented to them. & im not tryin to be petty cause this...well it is getting & sounding pretty petty and very un-needful at this point. i'm just amazed. theres no angle in it for me other than the possibility of getting better price breaks in the future from 8thstreet. and you actually spent over an hour talking with them and analyzing & sympathizing with them over their so called mistake ? wow. that is a heck of a lota time to spend with salespeople shootin the breeze. to each their own unique way. & at this point it looks like there are some better priced alternatives than 8thstreet which is unusual cause 8thstreet ususally cuts mad crazy deals. but luck, timing and pursistence are never accidents. its all comprehensive & related. JP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 10:00:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13978; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:00:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:00:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:53:17 -0500 Subject: Subject: Re: Tibbets in a Nutshell From: klowy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qP5ms.0.F63.idzHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Tibbets ain't shit without Marc Anderson. you obviously don't know what you're talking about. in order to have an informed opinion you have to have listened to his music. i have, and i'm sure quite a few others on this list have as well (from the responses i've seen). steve is an excellent guitarist who's done some really good work, some it without mr anderrson (who i think is quite good as well). klowy nyc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 10:28:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20329; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1f54c8af.25793997@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:19:51 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"FeBva2.0.AP4.L_zHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/2/99 9:30:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: << I think it's a fantastic pedal! I believe that it would really be more beneficial to some users if it had some of the aforementioned extras. Anyone else have any takes on this? >> As you pointed out in an earlier part of your e-mail, this thing is definitely geared toward the guitar-to-stompbox-to-amp setup. I don't use things like mixers, etc live so I can't speak for how they might work in that scenario. And true, it does have certain limitations (doesn't everything, really, regardless of price....?). I don't worry too much about what it doesn't do because what it does do it does so well. I'm definitely still on my honeymoon with this thing... I know that Line 6 has made upgrades available to Flextone owners (the modeling amp + effects - don't own one but have talked to folks who do about this), where for something like $75 they mail you the new chip and you install it yourself - maybe Line 6 was smart enough to lay out the DL-4 workings so software upgrades somewhere down the line are possible with that as well? Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 10:58:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27299; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:58:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:58:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991203155046.9901.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:50:46 -0800 (PST) From: M T Reply-To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net Subject: market forces To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"NKiyK2.0.U86.pR-Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not that it's particularly on-topic or anything, but I believe in paying more to buy at a local store, for the simple reason that it's very hard to test gear at musician's friend. Anyway, to continue my off-topicness, does anyone know of good places to post gear-for-sale in the NYC market. I have a rack/pedalboard unit that is taking up way too much space in my apartment, and it's getting to the point that I'd be happy to give it away to some kid in NY if I can't sell it. MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 09:58:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13133; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:58:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:58:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.58274136.257932a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:50:08 EST Subject: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"TTS_i3.0.Xp2.UZzHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey list...new here name = Carl Snow... Own 16 TR studio in Knoxville TN Feel in love w/ loopin' many many many years ago when i first heard Eno/Fripp "No Pussyfooting" and "Evenining star" blah blah blah......... NOW to the 64$ question.... been searching for a L O N G time for the manual for Lexicons Jam-Man .... I sent the small black rack TO lexicon in order to add more RAM = seconds - delay/sample... In the shipping and "repair?" instructions i indicated "hey a MANUAL would be nice" ___purchased sans Manual___ Help .... please... The J-Man and i get along very well But our relashionship would improve w/ a .....you guessed it....Manual !!! Any suggestions......experiences....factiods etc... would be very apreciated Thanks Carl Snow Moss Hill REC. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 11:18:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32072; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:18:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1035b804.257945d2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:12:02 EST Subject: market forces To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"NCtzt.0.-N7.Gm-Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/3/99 10:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: << Not that it's particularly on-topic or anything, but I believe in paying more to buy at a local store, for the simple reason that it's very hard to test gear at musician's friend. >> I agree 100 %. I have been dealing with the same store for close to 25 years. A knowledge of the customer, his/her history likes/dis-likes etc...is irreplaceable. in an age where customer service is at the bottom of the ladder. M-"friend" to me is "m-enemy" Nothing better than having a demo in store of a product someone KNOWS you might like , servrd w/ coffee and the opportunity to "ahh take it home and mess w/ it a few days" not to mention an "understood" IE: unspoken "agreement" that after a long cust/store relashionship there will be the token DISCOUNT. :-) "stores" like M-Friend (we have a dealership in knoxville) remind me of Best Buy: Long on discount.....very very very short on KNOWLEDGE. Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 11:18:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32094; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:18:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:07:55 -0600 Subject: FS: JamMan $500 32 sec Harmony Central From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PvnsC2.0.nF7.4i-Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lexicon Jam Man Asking Price: US$500 Condition: Excellent Age: 35 years Description: x:no-archive-no Lexicon Jam Man w/32 sec upgrade for sale Works perfectly,with footswitch and the original box and manual. $500 firm Seller: Pete Dawson, E-mail: sodacap@email.unc.edu (Profile) Location: CHAPEL HILL, NC Post Date: 12/2/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 10:55:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26251; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:55:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3847E699.9730AC6E@virtulink.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:49:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL-4 References: <0.1f54c8af.25793997@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XDh6L2.0.B46.BQ-Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com KRosser414@aol.com wrote: > I know that Line 6 has made upgrades available to Flextone owners (the > modeling amp + effects - don't own one but have talked to folks who do about > this), where for something like $75 they mail you the new chip and you > install it yourself - maybe Line 6 was smart enough to lay out the DL-4 > workings so software upgrades somewhere down the line are possible with that > as well? Anybody with the know-how wanna open one of these things up and look? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 11:58:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08976; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:58:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991203165146.89742.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.90] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete Loop Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:51:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Rp4rF.0.8y1.UL_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com many guys seem to be to post to see their name on the list rather than having anything significant to say...the same names keep showing up, over and over and over and over and over...I see some guys name and I know to delete with out even reading it...My delete button if faded...Would think before you type apply here? om and Out >From: Patrick Smith >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Delete Loop >Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:57:18 -0500 > >Wow....so many messages....so little time..... > >delete ... delete... delete > >my damn ccomputer keyboard is in loop mode... > >Patrick > Fingerpaint's New Release: > > IN THE LOOP > > ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and > obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. > > DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 > > http://www.fingerpaint.net > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 11:49:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07187; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:49:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:49:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991203112306.00a92518@tcb6.mail.yale.edu> X-Sender: tcb6@tcb6.mail.yale.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:36:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Thad Brown Subject: Re: market forces In-Reply-To: <19991203155046.9901.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"E_Dup1.0.CO1.zB_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I buy pretty much all my CDs from one local store. They treat me right, will order anything I ask, and I pay an extra buck or so per disc for that service. However, having been lied to, insulted, and ripped off by every local music store in my home town, I buy most of my gear from Full Compass, where Michele consistently gives me fantastic and personalized service, honest answers, and very good prices. I'm a capitalist, and my money goes to the person giving me the best combination of price and service. I think it's silly to think that local music stores are somehow preferable simply because they are local. TCB At 07:50 AM 12/3/99 -0800, M T wrote: >Not that it's particularly on-topic or anything, but I believe in paying more >to buy at a local store, for the simple reason that it's very hard to test >gear >at musician's friend. > >Anyway, to continue my off-topicness, does anyone know of good places to post >gear-for-sale in the NYC market. I have a rack/pedalboard unit that is taking >up way too much space in my apartment, and it's getting to the point that I'd >be happy to give it away to some kid in NY if I can't sell it. > >MT >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 11:56:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08797; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:56:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:48:51 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, SnarleyCo@aol.com Subject: Re: market forces Resent-Message-ID: <"YGAah1.0.An1.1J_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> 12/03 8:16 AM >>> > Nothing better than having a demo in store of a product someone KNOWS you might like , servrd w/ coffee and the opportunity to "ahh take it home and mess w/ it a few days"... I enjoy that relationship at a couple stores, but if the difference is getting into the > $50 zone, I find it hard to bite the bullet and pay the extra. I'm financially unable to. They can only match the truly good deals as the exception. Even Guitar Center has refused to match existing real prices on the Mackie SRM450 monitors... But the real cruz of the problem locally-regionally for me is this. Repair at "Authorized" service centers has amounted to them being middle men who end up shipping it back to the manufacturer. I can usually eliminate 2-6 days of them futzing about with it before they send it to the manufacturer if I just call xyz and get a RA and ship it myself. > "stores" like M-Friend (we have a dealership in knoxville) remind me of Best Buy: Long on discount.....very very very short on KNOWLEDGE. Sure some employees at the local shop might be experts about a certain line or single favorite product... but I ask midi control questions about a new box and usually get treated like I need to know too much. I have rarely had them fire up the unit... and lead me to params for source and destination. This is vital to the way I use real time control and I've rarely gotten help on this. Meaning I've either had to buy or download a manual to check it out. Now frequently manuals never even list the parameters!? In all cases (for me so far) I've ended up buying the box or spending a good amount of time at the store to discover these features. This doesn't endear me to any of the stores I've attempted to pry the info loose from. Usually they start asking me questions about "What are you going to use it for?" and actually diverting me from my specific detailed questions and being more general leaving me with NO INFO on exactly that which makes it or breaks it for me. They also get impatient and irritated with sifting through the details... It's just easier to buy the cheapest one right off the bat and do the homework myself. If it doesn't fit my needs I usually can get my money back out of it. Final impression is that I've been far more frustrated trying to deal with ANY shops concerning important details about products. So for me NOT having to talk to them is quite a relief... It's offensive to have them grudgingly get a manual out for me to peruse... my .02 cents... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:34:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17558; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:34:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:34:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: unsubscribe ;-( Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"6_hIt2.0._s3.vp_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It has been really great with you guys, but time consuming. I take a break again. As usual: Whenever someone finds that my typing about some subject is needed, or that I should know about something, please, just cc the mail to me. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:31:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17243; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:31:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:31:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991202155326.17703.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19991202155326.17703.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: what I think is a cool idea for the EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qd6rp1.0.Gs3.tp_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Here's an idea for the edp rev. software: > >If the edp could support loading digital audio loops via midi (probably not >possible, I think) or via another port, someone else could write a program to >store audio loops in banks of 9 (not to exceed 198 seconds). Then you could >load the edp with a particular bank of samples in the memory you weren't going >to use to loop. Or you could download loops you particularly liked into the >bank software for later use. It would make the edp twice as cool (the >hard-core loopers might disagree). You can do it with the present version with MIDIdump, but it takes about 20 times the time of the sound (yes, MIDI is slow...). We certainly want a faster port in the future, maybe even to connect a HD directly... I personally dont like to go on stage with prerecorded material. While in the beginning, I was concerned to stamp my philosophy as much as possible onto products I developp, now I am happy if the things I find important are still there, and try to include as many features others may want. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:31:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17286; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:31:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:31:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991202021059.28510.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <19991202021059.28510.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGCJR2.0.Ur3.np_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I find it very frustrating that usual looping devices (such as EDP, Zoom >2100, etc.) do not include a possibility of delay length preset. I like >to use precise strange and long delay times for my looping compositions, >and tapping is sometimes too inconvenient, especially when on stage. > >Any ideas why this feature is usually neglected? > >petr (pepetr@yahoo.com) There are few people wanting this. In the present EDP we have neither the non volatile memory capacity nor the dial pad to implement it. In a future hard ware we will. So far, you can help yourself with a little sequencer that contains the Record commands to set the delay times and all other functions, so you do not have to operate anything for your compositions. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:47:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21058; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:47:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> References: <0.8f4a993b.257772c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: tibetan prayer wheels Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"jf8ya3.0.Nr3.mp_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >a few months ago, i came across a wav. of the "our father" read in old >english, of course i had to loop it.........this made me wonder, along the >lines of "do androids dream of electric sheep"..........are electronic >prayers valid and can we storm the gates of heaven with prayer >loops..........or is all prayer just the asking that one plus one not equal >two (i hope not)...........historically, loops were present in religious >chantings and prayer services, both western and eastern........the seasons, >the phases of the moon, all loops.........spin a prayer wheel, if this isnt a >prayer loop, what is?...........just some thoughts during this wild and wacky >time of year.........maybe i should get out more.......:)............michael All I understood about praying is that it takes: - concentration for the message to become strong - release to really send it to the other dimension. So it may not make sense: - to repeat it without thinking of it (no accumulation) - to think of it permanently (no sending). But anything may work, and maybe a very long loop that reminds you after a while to go through the process again will help... >Good question. I recall call a quote from M.J. Gandhi: "Every action can be >a prayer". He used it in the context of everyday chores, saying that as long >as the mind is contemplative of God as you do seemingly mundane actions, >then you are praying. Who's to say that when we are awash in mulitple loops >and sonic bliss that we can't be in a spiritual state of mind. I may have >killed a few brain cells in my youth, but, at times, I do feel much the same >way when I loop with guitar in hand as I do when at church or in meditation. Nice! Often, right after playing, I am pretty unable even to talk to people... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:40:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19486; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:40:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:40:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3847FC11.EB4CBA8E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:21:21 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info References: <0.58274136.257932a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TFIkk3.0.hw3.Er_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We can provide you a copy of the manual for $10 to cover the cost of copy, binding and mail Dick Michaels Rogue Music NYC http://www.roguemusic.com SnarleyCo@aol.com wrote: > Hey list...new here > > name = Carl Snow... Own 16 TR studio in Knoxville TN > > Feel in love w/ loopin' many many many years ago when i first heard > Eno/Fripp "No Pussyfooting" and "Evenining star" > blah blah blah......... > > NOW to the 64$ question.... > been searching for a L O N G time for the manual for Lexicons Jam-Man .... > I sent the small black rack TO lexicon in order to add more RAM = seconds - > delay/sample... > In the shipping and "repair?" instructions i indicated "hey a MANUAL would be > nice" > ___purchased sans Manual___ > > Help .... please... The J-Man and i get along very well > But our relashionship would improve w/ a .....you guessed it....Manual !!! > > Any suggestions......experiences....factiods etc... would be very apreciated > > Thanks > Carl Snow > Moss Hill REC. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:39:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18791; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:39:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:39:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: what I think is a cool idea for the EDP Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:36:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"rXqg-.0.VG4.Sx_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an SP-808 to perform these functions, which I intend to synch an EDP to, if I ever get my hands on one... bIz -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: what I think is a cool idea for the EDP >Here's an idea for the edp rev. software: > >If the edp could support loading digital audio loops via midi (probably not >possible, I think) or via another port, someone else could write a program to >store audio loops in banks of 9 (not to exceed 198 seconds). Then you could >load the edp with a particular bank of samples in the memory you weren't going >to use to loop. Or you could download loops you particularly liked into the >bank software for later use. It would make the edp twice as cool (the >hard-core loopers might disagree). You can do it with the present version with MIDIdump, but it takes about 20 times the time of the sound (yes, MIDI is slow...). We certainly want a faster port in the future, maybe even to connect a HD directly... I personally dont like to go on stage with prerecorded material. While in the beginning, I was concerned to stamp my philosophy as much as possible onto products I developp, now I am happy if the things I find important are still there, and try to include as many features others may want. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:48:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21158; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:48:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:48:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991202182725.35846.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991201224807.007aa180@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <19991202182725.35846.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Vortex vs. MPX-100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"SfrAw3.0.us3.up_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >One thing that spurred my interest in the MPX-100: the SPDIF out. For >those of us using a PC or Mac to record with sound cards such as the >SBLive -- which does have a SPDIF in -- could we use the MPX as a higher >quality AD converter that resides outside of the digitally noisy PC >environment? For $250, a nice effects box plus AD converter is a pretty >good deal. Would it work? > I connect the PCM 80/90 to the Korg 1212 card with SPDIF. No problem. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 12:54:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22471; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:54:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199912021315_MC2-8F54-64D@compuserve.com> References: <199912021315_MC2-8F54-64D@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:24:15 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP guts questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"zQOrp1.0.ms3.up_Hu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >2) What is unused main board multi-pin connector P1 for? D-Bus and some adresses and enables and supply are on it. I use it for developpment. > >3) What does jumper JP1 do? just a developpment aid. > >4) What are the components at B1 and B2? Probably something obvious, but I'm >not a hardware geek, just a software geek with a soldering station.... >5) Where are the non-volatile params stored? Don't see a battery anywhere.... U21 is a EEPROM >7) Is there ANY way of reconfiguring/rewiring the back-panel Overdub jack to >perform Insert or Reverse? I really want Insert and Reverse both on >footswitches at the same time, and have never once in 5 years used the >back-panel Overdub jack. Foot controller have-nots enjoy it no doubt, but for >the rest of us it's really crying out for a useful job to perform. That would be a change in the soft. In the next version, you have MIDI commands for all those "insert-functions", so you can do it all from a MIDI foot controller. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 13:17:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28647; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:17:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: question about synths Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"2ROFc1.0.hO6.DS0Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Korg Triton is a great synth. Touchview Graphics, the expandability of its Option Boards, RPPR to build up patterns, easy to use Ocillators and Filters, PCM slots for more sounds, easy to use sequencer, fantastic effects processor, good sampler (although limited but easy to use)... I could go on and on but you'll need to check one out thoroughly yourself at a local music store. For me, I want an easy to use Synth and Korg is very easy to use in my opinion. Building up "Loops" is really easy with Triton series also. As you know there are the Triton Pro & ProX also which offer more goodies. If you are used to playing a piano, I agree using a "weighed" keys keyboard/synth is a good choice. For this reason, Korg's already have the solution. The fairly new Trinity V3 is an 88-weighed keyboard synth with many similar features as the Triton. I think the price is similar also. Plus, gotta love that color !! Check out: http://www.korgusa.com If you want to just get a controller and add the synth modules, then I recommend checking out "Roland A90" which has very nice piano actions. Just a thought. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery Hildebrand [mailto:jshildebrand@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 12:50 AM To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: question about synths i'm getting ready to buy one, maybe two keybaords. i am so far in favor of the triton, although the novelty has worn off about now, and i'm also thinking about the yamaha S80 and EX5 or EX5R. i am truly impressed with the acoustic modeling technology of the EX5, but that's really all i'd want out of it. i also want a great piano action keyboard, and i don't know if the S80 is for me because it doesn't have hammer action keys. what are the most realistic piano-like boards out there? and if you have a triton, is any of the expansion really necessary? thanks, scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 13:03:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24998; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:03:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:03:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:55:16 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Last Tibbets Commentary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"C2o32.0.Rh5.yG0Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just to continue - I saw Tibbets sit in with a local group, Eight Head about a year and a half ago. Marc Anderson actually played trap drums and percussion and the band had local legend Dean Magraw on guitar and Jim Anton on bass respectively. It was an amazing show, and I was actualy able to hear some of the tunes from the Tibbets CDs in a live setting (this was at the Cedar Cultural Center). As far as loop content goes, Tibbets had his Lexicon there and was able to do some of the eerie stuff he does on record live. It was an education. His guitar rig was basically either a black strat into a Matchless Lighting practice amp into a Marshall half stack and a bunch of pedals, a mixing board and the Lexicon (the large 2 or 3 space delay). He also had a 12 string and a 6 string acoustic and how he looped was that he would swell notes in with a volume pedal or play chords fading them in and use the mixer to increase the amount of delay he wanted to hear. Oh. It was LOUD. Sadly, Eight Head is no more and it's unlikely Tibbets will be sitting in with a non-existent band these days. -t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 13:07:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26049; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:07:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:07:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3848057C.264@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:01:32 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Quick EDP Resistor Question... References: <01BEBDE8.AC7DA3D0.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zOUid3.0.X26.yL0Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm going to try the resistor swap for the input/output gain stages of the EDP finally. I want to swap one part though and need to know if this is OK (obviously I'm not a electronic wizard!) The FAQ calls for the following: Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film resistor Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film resistor I have a 22K instead of the 22.1K. Will this make any noticble difference or is there some reason I should hunt down the 22.1K one instead? I have the 10.0 K one for the other stage but don't want to open this thing up more than once. Thanks for any help! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 13:30:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31365; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:30:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:30:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b501bf3dbb$634f8e00$b5cb56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:22:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"DNoja3.0.867.je0Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here is the complete manual on the Looper's site- enjoy- http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jammanual/jamman_manual.html Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SnarleyCo@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info >Hey list...new here > >name = Carl Snow... Own 16 TR studio in Knoxville TN > >Help .... please... The J-Man and i get along very well >But our relashionship would improve w/ a .....you guessed it....Manual !!! > >Any suggestions......experiences....factiods etc... would be very apreciated > >Thanks >Carl Snow >Moss Hill REC. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 13:57:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05061; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:57:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:57:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991203182511.12687.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Quick EDP Resistor Question... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pbtN13.0.e-7.ms0Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 22k ohms should be fine. bret --- Legion wrote: > I'm going to try the resistor swap for the > input/output gain stages of > the EDP finally. I want to swap one part though and > need to know if this > is OK (obviously I'm not a electronic wizard!) > > The FAQ calls for the following: > > Change R30 from 82.5 K to a 22.1 K 1% metal film > resistor > Change R10 from 2.21 K to a 10.0 K 1% metal film > resistor > > I have a 22K instead of the 22.1K. Will this make > any noticble > difference or is there some reason I should hunt > down the 22.1K one > instead? I have the 10.0 K one for the other stage > but don't want to > open this thing up more than once. > > Thanks for any help! > ____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - > Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music > since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery > with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, > Casios, and more. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 14:02:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06389; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:02:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:02:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.335c608a.25796b9e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:53:18 EST Subject: Re: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"3CwhY3.0._61.X71Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/3/99 1:29:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: << Here is the complete manual on the Looper's site- enjoy- http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jammanual/jamman_manual.html Cliff >> I'm THERE ! :-) thanx Cliff --saved 10$--- No Offense Dick M Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 14:21:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10956; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:21:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <015301bf3dc1$ce06d540$cde831d4@demon.co.uk> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: "Bruce Comens" , References: <009801bf3dad$db6c2f00$caf44cc1@bruce> Subject: Re: Drum machines--other neophyte questions Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:07:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"oIKIe1.0.a22.dM1Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > * Touch Sensitive Pads > > Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does > that > mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, > actually) in real (hah!) time? Yes, the pads respond to how hard you tap them. Yes, you can "play" the '660. > I'd like to get a unit that allows both programming and playing, preferably > with Indian/middle eastern sounds... There aren't many built-in 'ethnic' voices, but a little tweaking in the editing department can deliver a host of crazy sounds. Editing features include:- Level / Pitch (huge range) / Decay / Nuance (tone) / Pan / Polyphonic, or Mono / Sensitivity Curve (for Pads.) Oh, and by the way, all of the TR-808 / TR-909 sounds were thrown in by Roland for good measure (without the price tag!) Cheers, Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 14:30:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13446; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:30:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:30:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912031921.LAA00014@eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:19:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 From: "Craig Zarkos" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JCsjQ3.0.9k2.WX1Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, just picked up the Dl4 through Guitar Center San Diego for 219.00. Last one in stock and I really wanted to start diving in to the loop thing. I'm a drummer and my plans were to primarily use the looping feature to set up grooves from my "cajon" (box drum,afro-peruvian instrument) but got to tell you that the really cool thing for me were the delay models, ecspecially the "lo res delay" and "sweep " . Turned this drum in to a percolating little machine. I was astounded to look up after plugging in for the first time and see that i had been grooving with my self for 2 hours.....I'm hooked. cool box although not being a guitar player I'm not exactly sure what the implications are for you folks. I think i will still invest in a Boomerang to take care of the looping,while utilizing the dl4 delay mods to feed the 'rang. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 15:10:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22730; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:10:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:10:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005401bf3dc9$7cff7320$0872d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: References: <199912031646.LAA06698@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: New Gear! Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:03:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"l7ePo2.0.nq4.R32Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That new EMU sampler with time compression/expansion sounds like a possible new edition to my looping rig.... http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/1999/ESI-2000.html This new Yamaha FS1r tone module sounds really cool too! I'm new to the land of MIDI and synth specs but this seems like a creative nebulous of possiblities in a box!! It's reviewed in the new EM which I'm about to read.... also just wondering if anyone has any experience with Surround Sound Looping !!!!!? Could this be the next pioneering frontier of looping exploration!? Just some thoughts... Jamie Mash {Exp Music Director 88.3 wmts} From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 15:28:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27128; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6d50b110.25797fa9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:18:49 EST Subject: Re: Drum machines--other neophyte questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"eX0V_3.0.d56.HN2Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'd like to get a unit that allows both programming and playing, preferably > with Indian/middle eastern sounds... FWIW - I do this using the Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. It has 13 pads that are big enough to bang on and also happen to be arranged like a piano keyboard for the occasional chord or melody. But this happens to be a great sounding deluxe sampling drum machine with built in effects that can sync modulations or delays to tempo. I use it with the EXP-1 Real World card which has some great African, Mid-Eastern and Asian drums among many other "world" instruments. It works for me because I don't use it for blistering tempo stuff like techno and other intense electronica. The processor on this machine really isn't fast enough to do everything that is promised in that regard. Therefore, a lot of disappointed kids are unloading these and moving on. I got mine, very used, loaded with 34 MB of RAM (about 3-1/2 minutes of stereo sampling), the EXP-1 card, SCSI option, for $700! It's a great sounding sampler that behaves like a drum machine. Of course, the ASR-X can LOOP the samples to keep them on-topic. You can email me privately for more details. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 15:58:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01064; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:58:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:58:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991203202333.5251.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Line6 DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"mfI4C2.0.Gv7.Et2Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Craig, That sounds like a cool sound. Got any grooves or loops, wavs, etc. we can listen to? --- Craig Zarkos wrote: > Hi all, just picked up the Dl4 through Guitar > Center San Diego for 219.00. > > I'm a drummer and my plans were to primarily > use the looping feature to set > up grooves from my "cajon" (box > drum,afro-peruvian instrument) but got to > tell you that the really cool thing for me were > the delay models, > ecspecially the "lo res delay" and "sweep " . > Turned this drum in to a > percolating little machine. I was astounded to > look up after plugging in for > the first time and see that i had been > grooving with my self for 2 > hours.....I'm hooked. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 15:55:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00730; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:55:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:48:57 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line6 Expandability Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xxqDc1.0.em7.yp2Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: DL-4 expandability: George VanWagner of Line6 posts to the Harmony Central Guitar Forum (go to http://www.harmonycentral.com and click on the links to the guitar forum). You might ask if the EEPROM in that thing is upgradeable. It would seem to go with their corporate philosophy though. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 18:00:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29660; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005201bf3de2$3c387760$db74d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: References: <19991203165146.89742.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Delete Loop Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:58:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"8HKv33.0.7r6.Wf4Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: David Potter To: Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Delete Loop > many guys seem to be to post to see their name on the list rather than > having anything significant to say...the same names keep showing up, over > and over and over and over and over...I see some guys name and I know to > delete with out even reading it...My delete button if faded...Would think > before you type apply here? om and Out ....and we needed to know this.......define significant. How about we put an automatic delete on all messages containing grammatical errors..........toooo! signed, Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash.............god what a beautiful name!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 20:03:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25971; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:03:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:03:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: New Gear! Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:49:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005401bf3dc9$7cff7320$0872d6d1@micronjenni> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Oabqy.0.B95.XH6Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com BTW The 'beat munging' time compression isn't on the fly - it's an offline process. -----Original Message----- From: Jenni Leeds [mailto:jennil@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Gear! That new EMU sampler with time compression/expansion sounds like a possible new edition to my looping rig.... http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/1999/ESI-2000.html This new Yamaha FS1r tone module sounds really cool too! I'm new to the land of MIDI and synth specs but this seems like a creative nebulous of possiblities in a box!! It's reviewed in the new EM which I'm about to read.... also just wondering if anyone has any experience with Surround Sound Looping !!!!!? Could this be the next pioneering frontier of looping exploration!? Just some thoughts... Jamie Mash {Exp Music Director 88.3 wmts} From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 20:26:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32040; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:26:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d369a37f.2579c6b6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:21:58 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 is $249 at Guitar Center To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"--g_Y.0.3c7.qp6Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just got one of these puppies for $195 at banko's music in ct. i believe i was the 1st one and they have some left. the only downside is they don't have the power supplies yet. i am using the power supply to my drum machine right now. have a backwards loop going as i write this. fun, fun, fun!! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 20:44:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03667; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:44:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:44:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991204014019.17119.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.212] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete Loop Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:40:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ROjJL2.0.Ef.-47Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com need I say more >From: "Jenni Leeds" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Delete Loop >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:58:55 -0600 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Potter >To: >Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:51 AM >Subject: Re: Delete Loop > > > > many guys seem to be to post to see their name on the list rather than > > having anything significant to say...the same names keep showing up, >over > > and over and over and over and over...I see some guys name and I know to > > delete with out even reading it...My delete button if faded...Would >think > > before you type apply here? om and Out > > >....and we needed to know this.......define significant. How about we put >an automatic delete on all messages containing grammatical >errors..........toooo! > >signed, >Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie >Mash >Jamie Mash Jamie Mash.............god what a beautiful name!!!! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 21:06:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08202; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:06:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:06:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a95e6ac.2579d039@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:02:33 EST Subject: Re: ... Mixer Feedbackking To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"td9B3.0.Bv1.rP7Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have to say i was , originally, attracted to the idea of feedbacking in a conceptual sort of way but today at work i was getting worlds of sounds from a little guitar amp with the headphone output going into one of the inputs just messing with the eq, the gain, and master volume i got intense sounds not just screeching feedback(what i was expecting) rodrigo > very interesting ... but you can also route the monitor and tape outs > back into the mixer. > > ALSO: the sound of the mixer alone feedbacking into itself is probably > going to get real boring real quick. > > AND you'll need some external fx! > examples: delays with hold, pitchshifters, modulation (flangers, > phasers), distortion, vocoders, autopanners ... you name it. > > the idea is to put these into the feedback loops: > i.e. aux-send/mon-out/tape-out --> fx --> channel strip From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 21:26:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12149; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:26:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991204022049.63995.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [199.179.160.86] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland MS-1 (Yup) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:20:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"OSmu-2.0.8l2.yg7Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am a PROUD owner of this unit, with the 4MB flash card... wha cha wanna know ? ----Original Message Follows---- From: jpw77@together.net Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland MS-1 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:17:45 +0000 Does anyone have any experience using the Roland MS-1 sampler with a Flashdisk memory card? Jon Williams ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 21:32:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13451; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:32:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BF3DD5.9A837CA0.david@oleniacz.com> From: David Oleniacz To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: WTB: Digitech PMC-10 midi foot controller Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:30:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jfEJz.0.Z23.fn7Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have this unit or know where I can find one? please email me with the condition and price. thanks David O From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 21:55:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17875; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384873DE.A7B54AF@columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:52:40 -0400 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: anyone looping 2 or more personal computers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fNMEP3.0.2F4.y68Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all: I seem to be acquiring more and more pre-PPC Macs as more and more of them are thrown away by slap-happy consumers. I am hatching an evil plan to have them all generate random MIDI commands to one another while I dance around them listening to their cheap little speakers fart and burp. I wonder: who among you has set up comparatively lo-tech real-time loops between personal computers using MIDI data or audio? Tell me about your setup and give me advice if you have a moment. Best, MHL From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 23:51:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08411; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:51:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:51:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991204044333.26190.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:43:33 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wC21u3.0.Mg1.mm9Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "Bruce Comens" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:45:06 -0500 > > > * Touch Sensitive Pads > >Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does >that >mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, >actually) in real (hah!) time? > You can play it in real time. You can also program it in real time. I realize that a lot of drum machines do this, but it's a lot of fun to do. Another cool thing you can do in the DR660 is shut off the the error correction, so you can make really flawed, sloppy sounding drum patterns. Although a lot of folks like it, the DR660 is kind of a cheesy sounding drum machine. It takes a lot of effort to make it sound like anything you'd hear on a CD. I can imagine a lot of bands feeling slightly embarrassed about the obvious "drum machine bought for $300 at guitar center" sound. (Except for bands that go for that sound in particular.) Mr. Tough Mr. Tough ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 3 23:56:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09791; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991204045237.93911.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: market forces Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:52:36 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Sf-rc3.0.UB2.Fv9Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know of any stores like that in SF? A new discovery for me, Black Market Music on Howard st is closing soon. Guitar Center sucks. The Haight Ashbury music center seems kind of good, but involves going through the Haight Ashbury area. >From: SnarleyCo@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: market forces >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:12:02 EST > >In a message dated 12/3/99 10:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, >ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: > ><< > Not that it's particularly on-topic or anything, but I believe in paying >more > to buy at a local store, for the simple reason that it's very hard to >test >gear > at musician's friend. > >> >I agree 100 %. I have been dealing with the same store for close to 25 >years. >A knowledge of the customer, his/her history likes/dis-likes etc...is >irreplaceable. >in an age where customer service is at the bottom of the ladder. M-"friend" >to me is "m-enemy" > >Nothing better than having a demo in store of a product someone KNOWS you >might like , servrd w/ coffee and the opportunity to "ahh take it home and >mess w/ it a few days" >not to mention an "understood" IE: unspoken "agreement" that after a long >cust/store relashionship there will be the token DISCOUNT. :-) > >"stores" like M-Friend (we have a dealership in knoxville) remind me of >Best >Buy: >Long on discount.....very very very short on KNOWLEDGE. > >Carl Snow >Moss Hill REC> > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 00:21:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16294; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:21:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:21:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991204051554.51650.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete Loop Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:15:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"yzSwh1.0.SS3.5FAIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In defense of Mr. Smith, I think it's valuable to have someone with his enthusiasm adding to this group. He isn't a guy who just posts worthless stuff. A lot of the stuff he has to say actually pertains to the site. Moreover, I believe he has his own website, and he seems to be active in collaborations with other artists on this site. >From: "David Potter" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Delete Loop >Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:51:46 PST > >many guys seem to be to post to see their name on the list rather than >having anything significant to say...the same names keep showing up, over >and over and over and over and over...I see some guys name and I know to >delete with out even reading it...My delete button if faded...Would think >before you type apply here? om and Out > > >>From: Patrick Smith >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Delete Loop >>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:57:18 -0500 >> >>Wow....so many messages....so little time..... >> >>delete ... delete... delete >> >>my damn ccomputer keyboard is in loop mode... >> >>Patrick >> Fingerpaint's New Release: >> >> IN THE LOOP >> >> ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and >> obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. >> >> DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 >> >> http://www.fingerpaint.net >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 00:53:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25369; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:53:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:53:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38489D92.337D51D7@erols.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 00:50:58 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: free stuff References: <199912030048.TAA23135@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8wrsx.0.s36.sjAIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Those of you who wanted machines and have not sent me your address please do so soon so I can put you in the shipping queue. I have not forgotten about who gets what. Anyone who wants to pick up large items early next week should email me soon to work it out. I will be giving stuff away as it becomes available in the future , better that than a skip. Best Fiveman From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 00:58:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26450; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:58:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf3e1c$46cfe7a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"e9UoU2.0.jM6.goAIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any Vortex users notice that when bypassed the signal sounds like it is in a bottle? I have mine in stereo through my mixer aux send/return- when I have the Vortex bypassed the sound is bottle like until I dial the Vortex out of the channel completly- PS- I was having trouble figuring out why it was not in stereo a few weeks ago- I discovered that my stereo had been set to mono- duh- (my rig goes through my stereo system at home) Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 01:18:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29968; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:18:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: mp3 and Netscape partial soloution- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf3e1f$21552640$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF3DDC.1331E640" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"hInXB1.0.iA7.m5BIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF3DDC.1331E640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had problems trying to download mp3s using Netscape- it used to work fine but seems 4.7 does not- I have some of my own loop samples on my web site and while searching for the answer to the problem found a "soloution" It is a free standing.exe called "Uncook 95"- it fixes the files after you do a "save as" in Netscape and get that "This is your mp3 on drugs" sounding file- It is not the ideal soloution but it is small and does not requitre installation- I will keep searching for the answer tho- I want to simply click on the files and get a download prompt- IE works but that's not my browser of choice- This may be off topic but actually it has to do with sharing loops so there- ;) Cliff Link to "Uncook 95" http://watson2.cs.binghamton.edu/~jtesorie/uncook/uncook.html ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF3DDC.1331E640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have = had problems=20 trying to download mp3s using Netscape- it used to work fine but seems = 4.7 does=20 not- I have some of my own loop samples on my web site and while = searching for=20 the answer to the problem found a "soloution"
It is a = free=20 standing.exe called "Uncook 95"- it fixes the files after you do a "save = as" in=20 Netscape and get that "This is your mp3 on drugs" sounding file- It is = not the=20 ideal soloution but it is small and does not requitre installation- I = will keep=20 searching for the answer tho- I want to simply click on the files and = get a=20 download prompt- IE works but that's not my browser of choice-=20
This = may be off topic=20 but actually it has to do with sharing loops so there- = ;)
 
Cliff
 
Link to = "Uncook=20 95"
ht= tp://watson2.cs.binghamton.edu/~jtesorie/uncook/uncook.html
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF3DDC.1331E640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 01:23:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30961; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:23:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:23:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3848A4DD.529CE12@erols.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 01:22:10 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tube effect References: <199912030048.TAA23135@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"22_vZ1.0.YV7.uABIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi again, I think I am looking fo a small tube amp with a post preamp fx level out. I'm pushing tape echo through my tube amp with a load box that I built so I can use my good tube amp without being thrown out by my wife. I've always run a wet signal through a solid state amp for noise and volume reasons , now that I can afford to use a good amp I get a problem with some of my delay settings . I am getting a weird intermodulation effect that I haven't heard in years and I don't like it. I turn the amp down it goes away . it is not distortion because it appears to be frequency specific. I figure that instead of getting an expensive custom switching/routing system or a 16 buss board. a simple post pre line out to the delay would be the smart way to do it. Does anybody have a smarter more elegant solution. Could the POD solve this problem ? Thanks for any ideas. Fiveman Ancillary Rant:: I think that a multi send splitter buffer would be a great DIY project and a useful product. Has anybody seen the prices on the standard pro gigging switching rigs ? Insane considering the cost and ubiquitousness of effects and nearly all of us would use stuff beyound the top of the line for a normal night at the loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 03:29:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21429; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:29:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3848CF21.F4B9B0C0@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 02:21:53 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete Loop References: <19991204014019.17119.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sEwKD2.0.Ny4.OzCIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com your sexy. jimygeorgejimmygeorgejimmygeorgejimmygeorge.....metoo...jimmygeorge David Potter wrote: > need I say more > > >From: "Jenni Leeds" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Delete Loop > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:58:55 -0600 > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: David Potter > >To: > >Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:51 AM > >Subject: Re: Delete Loop > > > > > > > many guys seem to be to post to see their name on the list rather than > > > having anything significant to say...the same names keep showing up, > >over > > > and over and over and over and over...I see some guys name and I know to > > > delete with out even reading it...My delete button if faded...Would > >think > > > before you type apply here? om and Out > > > > > >....and we needed to know this.......define significant. How about we put > >an automatic delete on all messages containing grammatical > >errors..........toooo! > > > >signed, > >Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie Mash Jamie > >Mash > >Jamie Mash Jamie Mash.............god what a beautiful name!!!! > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 03:56:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26561; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:56:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003201bf3e34$5df015a0$e984bc3e@default> Reply-To: "Gareth Whittock" From: "Gareth Whittock" To: , Subject: Re:Line6 features Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:48:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"CLpGf1.0.aH6.ePDIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I, like many of you am intrigued by the new line6 delay modeller. Could someone who owns one tell me:- a Whether the looping section is true stereo, (ie stereo image is maintained from input) b What the provision of an external expression pedal allows you to do. c If there is some sort of patch memory? d What sort of sound quality are we talking about? Thank you Marvellous, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 05:23:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08661; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:23:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:23:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3848E484.1885036F@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:53:08 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delete Loop References: <19991204014019.17119.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zkDMD1.0.p02.8hEIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com c'mon david, lighten up! i'm sorry if i'm one of the inflationary "posters" that's irritating you and your ilk - it's just that i haven't been taking my medication lately ... i do try to keep my threads looper-based, i apologize for the odd blurb which should've sent privately (by W.A.S.T.E. of course) :-) have a good one eh, rob David Potter schrieb: > > need I say more > etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 07:46:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00439; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:46:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3b4f4687.257a6587@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:39:35 EST Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"30kw72.0.Dn7.6lGIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/4/99 12:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: << I have mine in stereo through my mixer aux send/return- when I have the Vortex bypassed the sound is bottle like until I dial the Vortex out of the channel completly- >> What Mixer are U using ? Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 10:04:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24838; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:04:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <3848E789.483A@together.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:06:01 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? References: <000801bf3e1c$46cfe7a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eNYqB1.0.Mt5.TnIIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds like the Vortex is being put out of phase somewhere in your setup. Could be cables (swap 'em and see),another device inline with the Vortex,or your mixer. If you're bringing it back into dedicated efx returns try two normal channels on the board-on some mixers efx returns are (inexplicably) out of phase ( maybe to counteract the fact that the outputs of some budget efx boxes are out of phase). This means your wet signal from the Vortex is out too, and should sound a lot better if you track this down. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 12:35:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20184; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:35:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.236dca37.257aa96a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:29:14 EST Subject: fwiw dl4 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"pBFkB3.0.wd4.c-KIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this was from a fellow at "sweetwater" music: <<20 DL4Modeler's w/ power supplies and fed ex ground shipping- $4269. - this is the cash deal If your paying with credit card then the total of 20 20 DL4Modeler's w/ power supplies and fed ex ground shipping is $4509. I also found a expression pedal that Line 6 makes for this. Expression pedal - $49 a piece. That's the price no matter how many are bought but I won't charge extra for shipping if you buy the expression pedals with the Pedals.>> so as a cash deal. i.e. check or money order for 20 dl4's that comes out to $213.00 with power cord and shipping apiece........i have no interest in co-ordinating this.......i dont know if this is a good price or not.......if anyone wants to pursue this further, those are the numbers.......feel free to contact me for his name.........now back to my zoom 2100 expression pedal.........wanky!..............:)........... leahcim (looking at my name in a mirror)......why are we so on edge lately?.............m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 13:08:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26987; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:08:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:08:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991204130711.00921a90@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:07:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Line 666 - the devil's Looper... dl4 Cc: lolorec@aol.com In-Reply-To: <0.236dca37.257aa96a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1SHRj3.0.QM6.GULIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all... i usually don't 1buy 'new' as in 'current' gear..but i've been carefully monitoring the "2nd wave" type loo devices to select one..boomerang...dod, digitech, the elusive headrush (NO ONE has em in stock it seems in all of nj,ny and philly..) having read a LOT of rave revues here and elsewhere - i tried out a line 6 DL4 at the evil comgolmerate (heh hehe) guitar center yesterday.. SOLD!!!! great unit - heavy duty construction (i agree - the knobs are a little weird,but nicely recessed so it doesnt matter) -simple, sturdy, quiet-click footswitches - a plethora of warm, tubey and tapey sounding delays...they really do get the space echo down!! - great 50s delays, tube delays etc. -funny - down to earth manual ,simply written with a sense of humor -three user definable presets of EACH delay program... and a tap tempo switch.. and-- the part we're all wondering about.... - the looper is friigin great -- 14 sec.. with a touch you can 1/2 speed the loop , another touch renders it 'backwards' a REAL NICE touch is the fact that you have a 0-800ms delay BEFORE the loop -so your looped signal can go in with a slightbit of wash if you want (i do this a lot - so this is an unexpected, and unique buddha-send) one thing,y'all - hmm.. the bulk rate for that many bought together is pretty good - i got mine for $232 tax included (so i guess it waslike..$218 + NJ .06 tax) if that INCLUDES the power supply (as stated) then -- pretty good... i did NOT get a power supply - which is the LAMEST thing a manufacturer could do..what's the deal there.... 200 plus bucks SHOUDL get you a piece of 'extra' gear that cost the manuf. a whole $3-4 to make.... otherwise.. stellar.can't wait to gig with it (next week) see ya OH YEAH - my duo JFK's LSD UFO has finally released our first CD... it's $12 pp..or a trade for a released CD from any of you loopers!! hope to hear from ya -- i will be getting the sound bites up .. soon! andre east *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 13:51:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02121; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:51:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <009f01bf3e87$f3612400$9b32dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <199911102009.PAA06846@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> Subject: FootPedals / Switches Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:46:59 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"CnzdS.0.iI.07MIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had to follow up on the Signal Chain thread we were all in on at one point... Still figuring out how to use the Zoom 2100 without causing a delay on my current productions - and the aspect of footswitches/pedals has come up again of course. I've always been a bit confused about them partially because I've never implemented one, and would appreciate your input on this. * I'd like to have a footpedal to open and close the loop on my DigiTech 7.6 Time Machine. * I think I should get a kind of Y signal switcher, so I might route my aux out to either delay on demand. This would also require some merge point for return to the signal path for BOTH. Yeah, so we've all tried to do Fripp Emulation one time or another - but as there's no denying the value of additional delays, let's talk about the problems associated with Adding More Gear Without Adding Too Much Noise too. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 14:01:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04061; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:01:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:01:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991204125208.007bc400@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 12:52:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: More Line6 DL4 info In-Reply-To: <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hQVlw1.0.ca.QCMIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... After trying out the DL-4 and seeing that I couldn't get my live/dry signal defeated, I wrote their support team. There are a couple of hidden "bypass" modes that are accomplished when powering up, so I thought that there might be another that would allow a thru mode with on live signal. Here's the answer I got after a couple of clarifying emails. I just thought I'd post it here for anyone who was concerned about this sort of thing. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:14:22 -0800 From: "Patrick Stefurak" To: Subject: Re: DL-4 question wakacreative; You are correct about this operation. There is no way to get a 100% wet mix of the looper. patrick.stefurak@line6.com Customer Support Have a rockin' day. P.S.: Please leave all original messages at the end of your return e-mail. I answer many e-mails every day. Leaving this "e-mail conversation" helps me to recall which issues we are trying to resolve. Thank you. I noticed in reading the downloaded manual that some of the delay models will allow the MIX control to fully give delayed or reversed signal when fully clockwise. I tried this with the looper (which is the main thing I'm interested in), but did not notice that the dry/live signal went away. It only increased the looped signal in relation to the dry. Any ideas? I hope this helps a little more in seeing if the unit will do this. Thanks, Jeff McLeod subversive@mindspring.com >Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:28:30 -0600 >To: "Patrick Stefurak" >From: wakacreative@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: DL-4 question >In-Reply-To: > >Hi, Patrick, > >Thanks for the reply. I tried that, but the dry signal is still there--even with the mix control all the way to the right. I even reset the pedal--still had the live signal. Is there something wrong with that one? I couldn't find any way to get ONLY the loops to be output. >Thanks again and I hope to hear from you soon, >Jeff McLeod > >At 12:13 PM 12/3/1999 -0800, you wrote: >> Jeff & Vonda McLeod >>I was checking out a DL-4 at a local dealer (Bailey Bros. Music) and loved >>it. I'm a current Boomerang user, and I wanted to know if there was some >>way to totally mute the live signal on the pedal--as one would using the >>Boomerang's THRU/MUTE switch. This is probably the only thing keeping me >>from getting the DL-4 and replacing my Boomerang. I use two amps, and it's >>important that I only hear the delay or loops through my second amp. Any >>hidden way to do this? >> >> >>>You should be able to adjust the mix on the DL4 to ba 100% wet. >> >>patrick.stefurak@line6.com >>Customer Support __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 16:04:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26590; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:04:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912042100.NAA23621@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:04:06 -0700 Subject: Re: market forces From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TjW2G2.0.1J6.q3OIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com C'mon man your name is 'Mr. Tough' and you don't want to get 'involved' in going to the Haight/ Ashbury to get to one of the best music stores in Cali ? I've been going there for 15 yrs for all my guitar/amp/loop equipment-got my JAMMAN/VORTEX etc. there.Never had anything but good times over that way-so be brave...goin'loopy...STANNER ---------- >From: "Mr. Tough" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: market forces >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 9:52 PM > > Does anyone know of any stores like that in SF? A new discovery for me, > Black Market Music on Howard st is closing soon. Guitar Center sucks. The > Haight Ashbury music center seems kind of good, but involves going through > the Haight Ashbury area. > > > >>From: SnarleyCo@aol.com >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: market forces >>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:12:02 EST >> >>In a message dated 12/3/99 10:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>ylpunk@yahoo.com writes: >> >><< >> Not that it's particularly on-topic or anything, but I believe in paying >>more >> to buy at a local store, for the simple reason that it's very hard to >>test >>gear >> at musician's friend. >> >> >>I agree 100 %. I have been dealing with the same store for close to 25 >>years. >>A knowledge of the customer, his/her history likes/dis-likes etc...is >>irreplaceable. >>in an age where customer service is at the bottom of the ladder. M-"friend" >>to me is "m-enemy" >> >>Nothing better than having a demo in store of a product someone KNOWS you >>might like , servrd w/ coffee and the opportunity to "ahh take it home and >>mess w/ it a few days" >>not to mention an "understood" IE: unspoken "agreement" that after a long >>cust/store relashionship there will be the token DISCOUNT. :-) >> >>"stores" like M-Friend (we have a dealership in knoxville) remind me of >>Best >>Buy: >>Long on discount.....very very very short on KNOWLEDGE. >> >>Carl Snow >>Moss Hill REC> >> > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 16:36:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00314; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:36:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991204163215.007a8610@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:32:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: DL4 question In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991119162821.0150b670@pop.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FIaTL3.0.ap7.MYOIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As I understand it, the DL4 can operate either on the "pregnant extension cord" power supply or with 4 C batteries. I'm also under the impression that the user programmable settings survive power down (ie, they're not volatile)... Here's my question for one of you who're already honeymooning with yours: Do the user settings remain after power down if you DON'T have the 4 C batteries installed, or while changing them? Also, what's the sampling rate? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 16:32:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31924; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:32:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a7019013.257ae147@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:27:35 EST Subject: Jman for sale To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"0-kc1.0.7Z7.7UOIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lexicon Jamman (8 sec. delay/loop time) for sale. This has been sitting in my music room rack, doing nothing for quite a while - my back up unit - and needs to be put to use. Make an offer (don't be scared - not looking to do any Harmony/eBay inflated price rip-offs). May also consider trade (+cash) for Digitech rds8000 for those looking to "upgrade". -Paul PS: please reply off list so as not to clog the "e-waves". From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 16:33:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31940; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:33:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:33:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38498755.87A30355@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:27:50 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman FS References: <199912011649.LAA15191@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> <000401bf3d16$14850520$f3f831d4@demon.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------859EB2E6B62D9119C0481BAC" Resent-Message-ID: <"PzJHs3.0.Na7.pUOIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------859EB2E6B62D9119C0481BAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > FS: Lexicon Jam Man > > Asking Price: US$450 > Condition: Good > Age: N/A > Description: > > Lexicon Jam Man Good condition $450 OBO + Shipping > > Seller: Anthony DeVito, > E-mail: devito1@aol.com (Profile) > Location: HOWELL, NJ > Post Date: 12/3/99 --------------859EB2E6B62D9119C0481BAC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
FS: Lexicon Jam Man

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     Lexicon Jam Man Good condition $450 OBO + Shipping

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--------------859EB2E6B62D9119C0481BAC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 17:36:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12017; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:36:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 17:28:22 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <007301bf3ea6$dfba8760$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KC8wY3.0.8g2.vOPIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could I as a 1st time buyer get a DL4 this cheap? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 group buy > I just returned my headrush and picked up a DL4. This thing is insane for its > price. BTW, got the DL4 for $185 at 8th street music in center city philly > 215.923.5040 phone. > > Ask for Andre or Scott. These guys deal all the time. > > JP > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 17:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11857; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:34:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004601bf3ea7$56f01b60$2fffdcd1@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: fwiw dl4 OT Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:31:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RqdmB3.0.cd2.gNPIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt et. loopers all the newsgroups I currently subscribe to have at least two hierarchies of sniping and personal attacks going on right now . . . sunspots . .. geomagnetic anomalies . . . vortices . . . the market perturbations . . . or just BIG clangorous LOOPS lurk and process . . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >.....wanky!..............:)........... leahcim (looking at my name >in a mirror)......why are we so on edge lately?.............m > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 4 20:51:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18303; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:51:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:51:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3849C46F.407B4BFE@texas.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 19:48:34 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: Pod Tech Support/Okena Hodges Subject: Line 6 Pod - OT KInda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fj2Tq1.0.fC4.8GSIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com howdy all - i have a line 6 pod & find it to be unusably noisy in the clean settings. not a treble/presence hiss as much as a midrange whoosh. this is even with guitar/bass straight into pod, pod tip-ring-sleeve balanced out straight into mic input of a 1604 vlz. as i play clean most of the time i find this to be quite a little bummer. the distortion settings are nice... when the nice fella from tech support called me back, he made sure i had the channel volume all the way up & treated me kinda like i was a big dummy instead of the experienced guitar tech geek that i really am (he was nice about it though). anyone else have a problem with this or (better) a solution? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 04:05:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01842; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:05:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 00:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@runner.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: when is the new EDP gonna be out? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oz_qF2.0.N8.aaYIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i just really want to know. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 08:03:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08427; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:03:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912051258.HAA07872@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:28:42 +0530 Subject: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o_v0i.0.Ex1.t5cIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'd like to get a unit that allows both programming and playing, preferably > with Indian/middle eastern sounds, > Yamaha FS1r Yamaha seriously screwed up by not including ANY microtuning capabilities. This thing is supposedly capatible with DX7 patches. The DX & TX & SY & VL series ALL include some form of microtuning tables. As do most of their XG thingies, even the PSR 530 & above. What a waste of a great machine. AFAIK Kawai made the same goof with their K5000, and only Waldorf's insane :) Wave has tuning tables in their product line. Personally I consider any synth/sampler with no microtuning to be absolute rubbish, though there are wayz to work around the limitation. Ensoniq's ASR-X Pro is one of the best choices available, with full 128 note tuning tables, & over 30 preset temperments, not to mention various available key tracking settings. E-mu's new budget ESI2000 is also a great buy, with a really good microtuning capabilities. The E5000 has the neato "Beat Munging" tool, more power, but lower microtuning resolution (1/64th of a semitone v/s the ESI's 1/100th of a semiton), and is double the ESI's price. If you're really interested in Indian/Middle Eastern sounds, then do not stop at Oud or Sitar samples. They have to be played/sequenced in an appropriate tuning to sound remotely authentic. A Middle Eastern sound is easily achievable : In the key of C try tuning your D, E, A, and B notes a quarter tone (-49 cents) flat. You folks should really get into microtonality if you're really looking for new sounds, a bottomless well of ideas, & an endless source of new tonalities. Looping and microtonality holds gargantuan potential. David Beardsley's on this list (Hey David howzzit goin ?), he's really into microtonality. David, makin any nice noizez wizzat DL4 ? Try : John Starrett's microtonal links site : http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html Graham Breed's site : http://www.microtonal.co.uk/ or my own : Xenharmonic Engines (lot's of guitar related info, some outdated links, & I'm working on revamp): http://microtonal.lookscool.com And join the Tuning list over at Onelist. http://www.onelist.com - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 08:02:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08416; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:02:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912051259.HAA07944@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:29:24 +0530 Subject: Lexicon MPXG2, SU700, Korg OasysPCI From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id HAA07944 Resent-Message-ID: <"asgCN.0.My1.a6cIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com random thoughts...ran..dom.tho..ugh..ts...ra.n..do...m.th..oug.ht...s : Lexicon MPX G2 : Why not save your bucks & get one of these 20 second delay/looping babies instead of blowing $$$ on a bevy of devices that would be quite an undertaking to use collectively in the studio, never mind live. @US$1200 for the rack unit itself + @$400 for the huge MPX R1 pedal board. It's possible to use it without the MPX R1; the brochure says : Control Interface -> MIDI: 7-pin DIN connector for MIDI IN/powered bidirectional remote; 5-pin DIN connectors for MIDI THRU and OUT Footswitch: 1/4² TRS phone jack for 3 independent footswitches Foot pedal: 1/4² TRS phone jack (10k‡ min, 100k‡ max impedance) The Yamaha SU700 has a user group at Yahoo clubs. I lost the URL (& my entire bookmarks file) when Outlook Express did weird thingz to my hard drive the other day. It would appear that the SU700 & DJRND2 work with a similar agenda. Seems the SU700 has some stability issues though, and the keyboard review of it sez the time compression/expansion is not much use. Otherwise it's a neat idea for a studio looping tool. If they make a next generation device, they may get it right. Maybe some emails to them regarding real time looping capabilities (& mucho RAM : 256MB ?, faster SCSI/ Firewire, better sequencer with step sequencing) would be a good idea. U could also try http://www.teklab.com for more Yamaha user groups. Korg's upcoming Oasys PCI card could be a good thing. Other than the stock upto 160 second delay line, 3rd party software can be written & loaded into it, so there's a plan for some enterprising person. Perhaps a super 160 second Echoplex on acid could be coded for it, with full MIDI control. Anyone here actually own an Eventide GTR4000 with the sampling board ? Just curious & looking for additions to my people-to-envy list :-) -drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 15:31:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23554; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:31:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: Subject: PMC-10 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:23:13 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"sPjjl.0.Pf5.pgiIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear loopers! Can you explain, what is PMC-10 and where can I get information about it (.pdf manual or homepage or...). Thanks Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 16:03:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29397; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:03:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384AD1AF.F20@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:57:19 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" CC: Gareth Whittock Subject: Re: Line6 features References: <003201bf3e34$5df015a0$e984bc3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S1bPM1.0.Yu6.E7jIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gareth Whittock wrote: > I, like many of you am intrigued by the new line6 delay modeller. I just picked one up! > Could someone who owns one tell me:- > a Whether the looping section is true stereo, (ie stereo image is maintained from input) Yes it is. It is also true bypass. Nice feature that. > b What the provision of an external expression pedal allows you to do. You can "morph" (for lack of a better word) between two different settings on the same Delay type. IE: If you are using the Boss analog delay emulation you can set it up so the closed (heel position) delay time is 10 MS and the full open (toe position) setting is the full 2.5 seconds. You can basically go between any two settings in one preset so you can tweak the unit to "morph" from any one preset into another (in the same mode. IE: Analog delay (Boss Delay Emulation) or Modulation Analog Delay (EH Deluxe Memory Man Emulation) > c Is there is some sort of patch memory? Yes. You can save three patches (A, B, C) in each delay type. The looper is a different creature I believe as the A,B,C "preset" switches then turn into Overdub, Play, and One Shot switches respectively. > d What sort of sound quality are we talking about? Well it's a 24 Bit unit with a "digital modeler" that supposedly can emulate the old analog delays and dowh to 6 bit digital delays. I'm not ready to review it but certainly it has a wide range of "quality" IMO. At this point I'm wondering if there is a new user list growing for the new LINE6 products. Anyone know if this is happening or want to make one? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 17:00:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07846; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:00:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:00:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:53:33 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC-10 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FfL7I1.0.be1.nzjIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:23 PM -0800 12/5/99, Tiit Kikas wrote: >Dear loopers! >Can you explain, what is PMC-10 and where can I get information about it >(.pdf manual or homepage or...). >Thanks > It's a midi controller footpedal, with a very complete midi implementation. Made by Digitech. Here's a good review of it: http://members.aol.com/jefman13/articles/pmc.html It's been out of production for years, naturally. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 17:21:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11861; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:21:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384AE466.AEF4C47E@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:17:10 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality References: <199912051258.HAA07872@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qKjnO2.0.Gf2.RHkIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Drew Skyfyre wrote: > If you're really interested in Indian/Middle Eastern sounds, then do not > stop at Oud or Sitar samples. They have to be played/sequenced in an > appropriate tuning to sound remotely authentic. It's more fun to play the real thing. I had a couple of jams with an oud player recently so I played it a bit. Whatta blast. > A Middle Eastern sound is easily achievable : > In the key of C try tuning your D, E, A, and B notes a quarter tone > (-49 cents) flat. > > You folks should really get into microtonality if you're really looking for > new sounds, a bottomless well of ideas, & an endless source of new > tonalities. Looping and microtonality holds gargantuan potential. > David Beardsley's on this list (Hey David howzzit goin ?), he's really into > microtonality. David, makin any nice noizez wizzat DL4 ? Oh yeah. With the DL4 I also use a H&K Redbox to run the signal into my board and then into the Digitech 7.6 sec Time Machine for that stereo A-Rainbow-in-Curved-Air effect. Maybe I'm ready for dat tonight. By the way, curious folks might want to check out my microtonal guitar. 65 frets, 63 notes to the octave. http://www.organicdesign.org/peterson/customers/catler_ji.html BTW: Jon Catler [he designed the fretboard] is also a looper. Boomerang. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 20:53:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26607; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:53:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991206014030.20034.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.88.79.167] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dose the 911 have foot controllers? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:40:30 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"9duhO.0.PD6.RNnIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will pay 300 for x911 with three foot controllers. thanks Jeremiah >From: Legion >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" > >Subject: FS: Korg X911 Guitar Synth, NOS Zvex pedals... >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:46:32 -0500 > >I've posted these for my friend before but many a deal has fallen >through. Prices are lowered for a quick no BS sale to the first person >to confirm the sale via phone. PLEASE serious inquiries only. These are >excellent prices for these items (Search around) and all items >(including the X911) are in *excellent* shape. > > >FS: Korg X911 - Mint shape original. Original box, manual, unit. - >$350 >Analog synth/effects processor. VCF,VCO,autowah,distortion circuit, >CV/Gate in and outs, Filter sweep, etc etc etc. Full info on this >amazing machine can be found at: >http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/effects/x-911.htm > > >Zvex New Old stock handmade effects boxes - Each is mint shape with >Zachary's original "wrapping" and paint jobs. These are basically new >pedals (never used) much cheaper than anywhere on the net. He was a >dealer and is now moving and closing up business. > >Octane - 11/27/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $250 >Octane - 10/29/97. Octave Fuzz, Pedal out of Production. $250 > >Super Hard On - 6/7/97 Preamp pedal. $125 > >He also has two Fuzz factorys (early 98) - $175/each > > >Call him direct at: (215) 627-8165 and ask for Bob. Also you can email >me your Phone # if you want and yr *seriously* interetsed and I'll pass >it on. > >Thanks! > >____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 20:54:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26732; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:54:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384B0A56.5ED00EB4@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:59:02 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality References: <199912051258.HAA07872@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <384AE466.AEF4C47E@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R4lSi1.0.uF6.LOnIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a-ha, yes! ... nice description ... rob David Beardsley schrieb: > > A-Rainbow-in-Curved-Air effect. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 23:54:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29349; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:54:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:54:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cfb852d3.257c9a6b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:49:47 EST Subject: looking for looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"s5Yot3.0.Ow6.g2qIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a loop machine. Anybody have leads?? Echoplex Boomerang Jamman? I've heard there is a Zoom that has 32 sec of delay time?? many Thanks Paul Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 00:02:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30919; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:02:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:02:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991206045729.44117.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.139.51] From: "Greg S." To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Old Rex50 Multi-effects unit Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:00:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF3F63.B3EF9B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"sxSeZ2.0.zP7.q9qIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF3F63.B3EF9B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone interested in an old Yamaha Rex50 multi-effects unit VERY = cheap? Some of the buttons on the main panel no longer work, but = everything can be done through midi. The effects work fine. I figured someone on this list might be into odd or old effects -- and = have the midi know-how to make the box usable. I found a picture of it on the net... http://home.swbell.net/ampjunky/studio.htm $15 and it's yours. I'd feel bad about throwing it away. Greg ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF3F63.B3EF9B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone interested in an old Yamaha = Rex50=20 multi-effects unit VERY cheap?  Some of the buttons on the main = panel no=20 longer work, but everything can be done through midi.  The effects = work=20 fine.
 
I figured someone on this list might be = into odd or=20 old effects -- and have the midi know-how to make the box = usable.
 
I found a picture of it on the = net...
 
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$15 and it's yours.  I'd feel bad = about=20 throwing it away.
 
Greg
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF3F63.B3EF9B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 23:52:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29185; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:52:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:52:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1225dcd3.257c9a00@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:48:00 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #490 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"BJgal1.0.tr6.f0qIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a loop machine. Lets see, Echoplex, Boomerang, Jamman. I've head one of the little Zooms has 32 sec of delay time?!? Many thanks Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 5 23:53:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29298; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:53:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384B32D6.95CE97F0@erols.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:51:56 -0400 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Toneworks Ax1000 References: <199912060305.WAA07888@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Oms7t2.0.av6.Q2qIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anybody tried out the Toneworks AX 1000 ? It supposedly has a loop function built in and it looks easy to work. Fiveguy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 00:43:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11819; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:43:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:43:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:30:15 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <002501bf3faa$f9d77360$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JrzJd1.0.ep2.9nqIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was wondering if there are any Tim Reynolds fans out there. Tim was the reason for my interest in looping in the first place. I recently purchased his live acoustic album Gossip of the Neurons. Phenomenal. Anyone hear any of his other CDs, or better yet, know what kind of gear he uses? George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 01:04:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16033; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:04:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b35a8a48.257caab6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 00:59:18 EST Subject: mixer schematics To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"EiZDy3.0.Dh3.h3rIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer but no auxs im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 01:09:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17064; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:09:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:09:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b9352c33.257cac17@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:05:11 EST Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"FVaNG.0.b54.M9rIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is this the guy who plays with dave matthews? I think he tours with dave for acoustic duet shows and plays second guitar on all of the reg DMB release. If this is the same one yr right this guy is wonderful. Unfortunately the only context I've heard him in is with dave and I'm not a dave fan. However ther is one song on the doulbe disc set of a dave and tim duet show which tim wrote and plays alone on. He ends up playing over a loop on his acoustic. It's very inspired I think by herbie hancock's maiden voyage. Is the live acoustic album you speak of solo or does he have a band. When I get money I may search him out. On another note are there any nels cline fans out there. Now that I think about it he was the guy that inspired me to get my first looper. matt > I was wondering if there are any Tim Reynolds fans out there. Tim was the > reason for my interest in looping in the first place. I recently purchased > his live acoustic album Gossip of the Neurons. Phenomenal. Anyone hear any > of his other CDs, or better yet, know what kind of gear he uses? > > George From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 01:16:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18049; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:16:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Cornhilio2@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d1022ad0.257cad67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:10:47 EST Subject: SCHALTWERK To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"b4-T23.0.TK4.cErIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey everyone i was looking to buy a SCHALTWERK to controll my airbase99 and iwas wondering if anyone knew where i can get one and or if the SCHALTWERK would be a good drum sequencer for my airbase99 and drumstation From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 01:50:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24310; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:50:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:50:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffery Hildebrand X-Sender: jscotth@sandman.ucdavis.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: tim reynolds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1iq951.0.Ok5.ZlrIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tim uses a DD-5 by Boss (Roland). well at least when he's on tour with dave. i don't know if he uses other stuff on his own cds. oh yeah, i'm a HUGE fan. scott From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 01:56:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25255; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:56:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206005020.0079d460@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:50:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds In-Reply-To: <0.b9352c33.257cac17@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PSQy1.0.3z5.lprIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matt, I'm one. Nels Cline is a fine, fine guitarist. The Interstellar Space Revisited CD that he just did with Gregg Bendian is insane. What sort of looping setup does he have? Having never seen him live, I'm curious. I love his work with The Geraldine Fibbers and his trio. Have you heard any of the Interzone stuff? Sincerely, Jeff McLeod At 01:05 AM 12/6/1999 EST, you wrote: On another note are there any nels cline fans out there. Now that I think about it he was the guy that inspired me to get my first looper. > >matt __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 02:56:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03883; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:56:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003b01bf3fb7$7a319ca0$0316a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <0.b35a8a48.257caab6@aol.com> Subject: Re: mixer schematics Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:59:39 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"GMBY2.0.iN6.5yrIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I concur! My crappy lil' Yamaha has finally developed a buzz in the effects loop. Ba-ad Juju! So besides the blessed periods when I can somehow filter it out (I just found the frigging thing today), it's time for a replacement. I don't have the cash for something Good, but I DO know how to solder as long as the plans work. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html > can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? > i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer > but no auxs > im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin > > rodrigo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 03:06:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05382; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:06:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384B6D43.95E6E81B@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 02:01:07 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com" , "johnson-amp@homer.harman-dod.com" , "2101@homer.harman-dod.com" <2101@homer.harman-dod.com>, chris downey , Loopers Delight , Shawn Kelly , dlh , Jim George Subject: Advice needed on buying a CD burner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JmMcP1.0.nC1.ursIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i am ready to buy the perfect CD burner. my main purpose is to use it for selling one -offs. it must be able to read the CD-PQ codes from master disks and burn exactly. it must also have superior sound quality void of pops and clicks. i know very little about the transfer of digital medium. my interest is not to learn how or why a burner works. my interest lies solely in getting your expert advice as a community of well informed audiophiles. i've been monitoring this mailing list for months now and respect allot of your knowledge that comes through here. any advice would be gratefully appreciated. thanks in advance! jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 02:58:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04060; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:58:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004301bf3fb7$d8c64220$0316a5ce@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <0.1225dcd3.257c9a00@aol.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #490 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:02:22 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"qoPEQ2.0.JZ6.g-rIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I noticed that the Zoom 2100 is not in the current Musician's Friend catalog, but it WAS on the "closeouts" page on the OTHER Christmas catalog that arrived two weeks ago. Yipes! I don't anticipate being able to get the second one I wanted to get, especially at their price of $99! I don't think anyone on this list who bought one has a complaint, either. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html Ppaulpadam@aol.com opined: > I'm looking for a loop machine. Lets see, Echoplex, Boomerang, Jamman. > > I've head one of the little Zooms has 32 sec of delay time?!? > > Many thanks > > Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 03:08:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05523; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:08:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:08:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d2707732.257cbfba@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:28:58 EST Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"J39UG.0.Pk7.uNsIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, Interstellar space is a great release. I also have greg bendians interzone and it's truly wonderful. It was writen with some prog rock band in mind by the name of gentle giant. This isn't prog rock though in the sense of yes and rush. It's highly recomended. About his looper I saw him live when he came to nashville with watt in 98 and he had it and used it some. It's an old 14 second delay unit and the name escapes me right now. Interestingly enough Bill frisell supposedly turned him onto it when they were both a memeber of julius hemphill's band in the 80's. For some reason he had it ontop of his amp instead of with his other many effects on the floor and there was no foot pedal for it. Whenever he would use it he would activate it with his hand though I don't know if uses it like this all of the time. He mentioned before the show that it was giving him problems so maybe he was protecting it from his massive black military boot. by the way he is an incredibaly nice g! uy. I approached him with two of my friends before the show and he genorously posed for several pictures and signed some autographs. Then to my shock he invited all of us backstage and we hung for awhile and he allowed me to played his guitar! I was totally nervous and felt like such a dork but I got over it. The show was amazing, if anyone has a chance to see him in any context check him out. Talk to you later jeff and everyone else. It's two o clock in the morning down here in knoxville and I have to start studying for my french exam tomorrow, shit. matt > Matt, > I'm one. Nels Cline is a fine, fine guitarist. The Interstellar Space > Revisited CD that he just did with Gregg Bendian is insane. What sort of > looping setup does he have? Having never seen him live, I'm curious. I love > his work with The Geraldine Fibbers and his trio. Have you heard any of the > Interzone stuff? > Sincerely, > Jeff McLeod > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 03:58:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14071; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:58:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384B7A11.57C5C89C@texas.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 02:55:51 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality References: <199912051258.HAA07872@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <384AE466.AEF4C47E@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y14YK.0.4D3.ectIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow - what a crazy guitar. i tend to pull the frets out of mine alot lately but this looks fun! another cool thing i want that (no doubt) costs a big pile of money. golly. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 05:04:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25257; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:04:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:04:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384B89D8.D4EBEDE5@grape.no> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:03:05 +0100 From: mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? References: <000801bf3e1c$46cfe7a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> <3848E789.483A@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jlJFK.0.Rw5.6ZuIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I have this problem too, when I plug directly in to the vortex, No Probs...however it appears "out of phase" when on the AUX sends. ...so how do I make it "In Phase?"...please? MArk Red jpw77@together.net wrote: > Sounds like the Vortex is being put out of phase somewhere in your setup. Could be > cables (swap 'em and see),another device inline with the Vortex,or your mixer. If > you're bringing it back into dedicated efx returns try two normal channels on the > board-on some mixers efx returns are (inexplicably) out of phase ( maybe to > counteract the fact that the outputs of some budget efx boxes are out of phase). This > means your wet signal from the Vortex is out too, and should sound a lot better if you > track this down. > > Jon Williams -- "In vodka Veritas" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 06:33:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07592; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b132ef2f.257cf58a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:18:34 EST Subject: Re: nels' loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"d6qGK1.0.lF1.ClvIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com nels uses an eh 16 sec. delay for looping and sound effects. he is awesome! saw him with mike watt last year in nyc. great concert. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 07:14:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14578; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:14:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:14:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.d1022ad0.257cad67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:49:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: SCHALTWERK Resent-Message-ID: <"e0w-H3.0.Ah2.iEwIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 12/5/99 Cornhilio wrote: >hey everyone i was looking to buy a SCHALTWERK to controll my airbase99 >and iwas wondering if anyone knew where i can get one and or if the SCHALTWERK > would be a good drum sequencer for my airbase99 and drumstation Is this made by Doepfer? Somehow I believe it is. If so do a search for Enport. They are in Omaha Nebraska and were importing and stocking products form Doepfer. If you can not find the site let me know I may have a phone number somewhere. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 08:46:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30861; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:46:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206082637.0082f3a0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:26:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: nels cline..cd In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206005020.0079d460@pop.mindspring.com> References: <0.b9352c33.257cac17@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WSnmD2.0.qT6.EZxIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:50 AM 12/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >Matt, > I'm one. Nels Cline is a fine, fine guitarist. The Interstellar Space >Revisited CD that he just did with Gregg Bendian is insane. What sort of >looping setup does he have? Having never seen him live, I'm curious. I love >his work with The Geraldine Fibbers and his trio. Have you heard any of the >Interzone stuff? >Sincerely, >Jeff McLeod hey -- can anyone point to a Nelswebsite or where i can getthis cd..?? is it general release ?? & whatlabel I too was blown away by Nels - saw half a Mike Watt show last year-- he rips,he loops, he raps willingly about his technique/gear after the gig please help me help him pay a phone bill andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 09:44:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09807; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:44:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bb7133cd.257d1e19@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:11:37 EST Subject: Re: nels cline..cd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"KmS1z1.0.9q.MHyIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com www.littlebrotherrecords.com sell quite a few nels releases. I think you can get the final three trio discs he put out there. At the links page at littlebrother records his full catalog from 79 to 98 is posted. I believe the laabels are listed. Happy hunting! matt > hey -- can anyone point to a Nelswebsite or where i can getthis cd..?? is > it general release ?? & whatlabel > > I too was blown away by Nels - saw half a Mike Watt show last year-- he > rips,he loops, he raps willingly about his technique/gear after the gig > > please help me help him pay a phone bill > > andre' > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > > Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute > http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 09:52:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11055; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:52:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:52:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kenard@compuserve.com From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: RE: nels cline.. linls Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:37:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206082637.0082f3a0@mail.monmouth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"3GtfT3.0.td1.NWyIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There are a Couple Nels sites listed under the artists on this "New Music" link.... The nels cline appreciation society & discography.... Enjoy. http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~jeffs/music.html Also had a question ... had seen reference on the site to a bill frisell video... does anybody have any more info ??? thanks.... hey -- can anyone point to a Nelswebsite or where i can getthis cd..?? is it general release ?? & whatlabel I too was blown away by Nels - saw half a Mike Watt show last year-- he rips,he loops, he raps willingly about his technique/gear after the gig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 09:57:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12789; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:57:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:57:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206093439.00926a20@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:34:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: nels cline..cd In-Reply-To: <0.bb7133cd.257d1e19@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"SvqYo3.0.ki1.VZyIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:11 AM 12/6/99 EST, you wrote: >www.littlebrotherrecords.com sell quite a few nels releases. I think you can get the final three trio discs he put out there. At the links page at littlebrother records his full catalog from 79 to 98 is posted. I believe the laabels are listed. Happy hunting! >matt cool. thanx for the prompt info.love the net for that. altho - i hope (and i bet Nels does) - that those are not the FINAL trio discs he does !!! heh hehe andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 09:59:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13732; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:59:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:36:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: DL 4 question In-Reply-To: <0.bb7133cd.257d1e19@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3y_Ru2.0.9u1.BbyIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ahh...here we go...a weird wuestion on figuring out the dl4 has anyone noticed that some of the regular delay patches (tube/tape/maybe digital dynamic, etc) has PATCH "C"set to REVERSE echo -- in other words- is anyone else seeing the reverse setting preset into any other sound BESIDES "REVERSE" ??? i am able to change it - just wondering..?? thanx andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 10:16:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19180; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:16:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:16:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b401bf3ffa$5b9182e0$3196adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Line 6 Delay RealAudio samples Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:58:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZhESX1.0.453.hwyIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this is on the Gaspedal site and the samples are not awe-inspiring contentwise, but they'll give you some idea bout the functions of the piece . . . http://www.gaspedal.com/line6.htm drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 10:32:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23752; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:32:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:32:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00c801bf3ffc$2392e080$3196adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Mysticism in Sound and Music group buy . . . Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:11:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HUxro.0.HC4.f6zIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com . . . or you can buy it on your own as I did and save a few bucks--same price which is basically, free freight "Mysticism . . ." by Sufi musician Hazrat Inaya Khan, was recommended by someone here, along with "No Sound Is Innocent" --THANKS for the word, whoever it was. both are not really technique books, but really nice philosophy/concept readings . . . anyway, an independent bookseller named Dan Pope is where I got my copy for $13 shipped promptly by Priority Mail e-mail for Dan is danpope@home.com drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 10:35:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24324; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:35:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3849BDDF.9C952BC8@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 01:20:31 +0000 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: nels cline..cd References: <0.b9352c33.257cac17@aol.com> <3.0.6.32.19991206082637.0082f3a0@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VnBHK3.0.vK4.z8zIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another Nels fan here. FYI Nels will be in concert this Friday with his current project Scarnella at Ventura City Hall. 8:00 pm. (Ventrua, California) Check out http://www.smellslikerecords.com/artists/scarnella/links.html joe andre wrote: > hey -- can anyone point to a Nelswebsite or where i can getthis cd..?? is > it general release ?? & whatlabel > > andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 10:54:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29241; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:54:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.46708560.257d31ff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:36:31 EST Subject: Re: nels cline..cd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"-pcc02.0.MA6.1XzIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah no problem, I read the other response by some nice person whose name i forget and he or she(sorry) had a link with a quick time clip of the trio! Damn thanks whoever you are. Check it out it's totally neat! matt > cool. thanx for the prompt info.love the net for that. > > altho - i hope (and i bet Nels does) - that those are not the FINAL trio > discs he does !!! heh hehe > > andre' > > > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > > Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute > http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:22:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03604; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:22:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:22:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:44:12 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <004301bf4000$bf0de600$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <0.b9352c33.257cac17@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TRk8v3.0.qD7.jozIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yea, Stream is the name of the solo tune on the double disk "Live at Luther College". The acoustic album is just him and his acoustic guitar at a bar in Charlottesville, VA. But, he also has a trio, that he does Hendrix-esque electric guitar. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds > Is this the guy who plays with dave matthews? I think he tours with dave for acoustic duet shows and plays second guitar on all of the reg DMB release. If this is the same one yr right this guy is wonderful. Unfortunately the only context I've heard him in is with dave and I'm not a dave fan. However ther is one song on the doulbe disc set of a dave and tim duet show which tim wrote and plays alone on. He ends up playing over a loop on his acoustic. It's very inspired I think by herbie hancock's maiden voyage. Is the live acoustic album you speak of solo or does he have a band. When I get money I may search him out. On another note are there any nels cline fans out there. Now that I think about it he was the guy that inspired me to get my first looper. > > matt > > > I was wondering if there are any Tim Reynolds fans out there. Tim was the > > reason for my interest in looping in the first place. I recently purchased > > his live acoustic album Gossip of the Neurons. Phenomenal. Anyone hear any > > of his other CDs, or better yet, know what kind of gear he uses? > > > > George > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:25:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04535; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:25:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:25:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2b3317c3.257d3a32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:11:30 EST Subject: zoom 2100 and non-midi group play To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"PbLK1.0.hA.L1-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com last nite i was experimenting with the 2100 sound on sound feature (i think you need the expression pedal to access this function).......play a loop (5 or 6 sec) push the pedal up and play along with the loop, no-overdub, step on the pedal input new data into loop, lift up jam along.........as the loop faded, a very long time by the way, the earlier loop begins to fade and the most recent input stays present.........anyhow, i made a loop on the 2100 and sent it to the rang and extended it for about 2 min..........then i made some new loops on the 2100 and layered them also into the rang........it seems to me that if you have, lets say a 5 sec loop, anything you add from another 5 sec loop source will sync up with the original loop.......so if you can preset the loop length and you have two people playing will they then be in sync without midi?........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:33:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06560; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:33:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:33:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:58:40 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: tim reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <007901bf4002$c37fad20$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hPRef2.0.R8.S0-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With DD-5, does he use the 2-second Hold to do his "loops", or does he have a looper, set aside for that? I guess the backwards effect is where he gets that weird sound from. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffery Hildebrand To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:46 AM Subject: RE: tim reynolds > tim uses a DD-5 by Boss (Roland). well at least when he's on tour > with dave. i don't know if he uses other stuff on his own cds. oh yeah, > i'm a HUGE fan. > > scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:43:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09443; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:43:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:43:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912061618.LAA02798@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:18:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Re: zoom 2100 In-Reply-To: <0.2b3317c3.257d3a32@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rTBJy2.0.Mi.b7-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You can access the SOS feature with the little pressure pad quite easily, but I have yet to find a way to open the loop and letting it decay without totally annhilating the loop (its either on or off). I haven't used an expression pedal for this though either, so maybe this is part of the solution. Then again, I haven't experimented with this as much as I could have, many new pieces of gear have arrived int he same time frame and all are langushing from lack of deep experimentation to some degree. when you say it takes a long time to decay, how long do you mean (seconds, minutes, hours...)? Kevin At 11:11 AM 12/06/1999 -0500, you wrote: >last nite i was experimenting with the 2100 sound on sound feature (i think >you need the expression pedal to access this function)....... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:52:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12156; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:52:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:52:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:32:46 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, subversive@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds Resent-Message-ID: <"1An3q1.0.Mo1.rM-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm a big Nels Cline fan as well... Nels uses an EH 16 second delay. It sits on top of his amp and he uses his hands for all his tweaking. It's quite amazing and sometimes funny to watch cause he's whacking at it and making guitar sounds and whipping out egg whisks all at the same time! Looks sort of like he's getting electro-shock therapy... (Which might be what started it all in the first place...) I have a couple of his trio cd's (Ground, Sad) and can't wait to grab the rest... truly amazing stuff. Nels also plays with fellow LD list member Steuart Liebig (6 string bass) in STINKBUG which includes GE Stinson also on guitar 'n loops, and Scott Amendola on drums... Stig is also an EH 16 sec delay user and has an Akai Headrush as well as nearly every freakin' big Lovetone Pedal out there. -Miko >>> Jeff & Vonda McLeod 12/05 10:54 PM >>> Matt, I'm one. Nels Cline is a fine, fine guitarist. The Interstellar Space Revisited CD that he just did with Gregg Bendian is insane. What sort of looping setup does he have? Having never seen him live, I'm curious. I love his work with The Geraldine Fibbers and his trio. Have you heard any of the Interzone stuff? Sincerely, Jeff McLeod At 01:05 AM 12/6/1999 EST, you wrote: On another note are there any nels cline fans out there. Now that I think about it he was the guy that inspired me to get my first looper. > >matt __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 11:56:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13360; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:56:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:56:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206084114.00818100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:41:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Digitech Delays FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_RzNW3.0.0L2.kU-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, I have three pedals that I am going to be selling. I have a strange feeling I might regret selling these (like the stories of my dad and all those 57 chevy's he had as a kid and never should have sold). But anyway, time to move on. Please drop me a line off site. Digitech PDS 8000 Echo Plus 8-second Delay/Sampler with infinite repeat switch Fair/good cosmetic condition with some scratches, but is in good working order. Price: $160 US OBO + shipping. (2) Digitech PDS 1002 2-second delay with infinite repeat switch Fair/good cosmetic condition with some scratches, but is in good working order. One of the units is missing the original battery cover (has a makeshift cover) and other unit needs a new 9v battery clip wired in (works fine off of adapter power). Price: $80 US (each) plus shipping Later, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:05:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15616; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:05:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:05:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:37:53 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, mark@grape.no Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Resent-Message-ID: <"MJdoe1.0.1u2.Ob-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've noticed the mention of putting the unit in bypass... If it's on an aux send it's doubling your signal if it's in bypass. To kill the Vortex and avoid the doubling you'll have to turn either the Vortex return channel down or the aux send it's on. Bypass won't help you here. You can get great full stereo use of a Vortex on the Alt 3/4 buss included on most Mackie mixers. That way you can just punch the button and send it off to the Vortex. If you return the Vortex to a channel strip you can then use aux buss processing to further mess with it or loop it. -Miko >>> mark 12/06 2:00 AM >>> I think I have this problem too, when I plug directly in to the vortex, No Probs...however it appears "out of phase" when on the AUX sends. ...so how do I make it "In Phase?"...please? MArk Red jpw77@together.net wrote: > Sounds like the Vortex is being put out of phase somewhere in your setup. Could be > cables (swap 'em and see),another device inline with the Vortex,or your mixer. If > you're bringing it back into dedicated efx returns try two normal channels on the > board-on some mixers efx returns are (inexplicably) out of phase ( maybe to > counteract the fact that the outputs of some budget efx boxes are out of phase). This > means your wet signal from the Vortex is out too, and should sound a lot better if you > track this down. > > Jon Williams -- "In vodka Veritas" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:32:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21764; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:32:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:32:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3d49aa99.257d4839@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:11:21 EST Subject: Re: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"r_-dN1.0.D94.vv-Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/6/99 2:41:00 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, kevin@minds-eye.org writes: << when you say it takes a long time to decay, how long do you mean (seconds, minutes, hours...)? > just tried it.........on the sound on sound setting.......6 sec delay.......the input went for apx 4 min.....the volume began to fade about 2-2.5 min but was still there for the entire 4+ min. although very much in the background........a long decay imho.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:43:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24531; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:43:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:43:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.342f223c.257d4db9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:34:49 EST Subject: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"iEFI-3.0.1Q5.2G_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com on the sound on sound with a 1 sec delay you get about 1 min of decay time, so it seems the longer the delay the longer the decay........i just tried the 6 sec delay again, hit one note and its well over 6 min and the silly thing doesnt seem to be decaying at all......7 min........10 min and still going strong........please diregard everything ive written about this, i have no idea whats going on with this machine, but i love it.........:)........michael 12 min.......yipes! still going............ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:46:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24992; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:46:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:46:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a815ffe3.257d4abf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:22:07 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #490 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"1E6g23.0.an4.e3_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/5/99 11:52:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ppaulpadam@aol.com writes: << I've head one of the little Zooms has 32 sec of delay time?! >> as does the JamMan w/ a Mem Up grade From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:49:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25916; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:49:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:49:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <019901bf4011$7798fd80$6f7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:42:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Nff4a1.0.Wx5.QM_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think you may have hit the nail there- so when it is in bypass it sends signal through but with no effect- so you hear the channel signal plus the dry signal from the aux- grrr- my old ass Yamaha mixer has these little dials everywhere- not a push button in sight- even if there were though I'd have to reach over and push it- man- its like I need a mixer BEFORE I even get to my rack and then one after the rack- jeeze- I was looking at Behringer mixers too- lots of bang for the buck there- http://www.behringer.de/eng/default.htm Cliff PS- ot- any pc users who have seen the error "Windows Protection Error" on boot please msg me off list- I removed a partition and now I can't boot reg- safe mode works but I have tried everything- no autoexec, no config, complete scan, sys file check- I read the boot log but saw nothing suspicious- thx- -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; mark@grape.no Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? >I've noticed the mention of putting the unit in bypass... If it's on >an aux send it's doubling your signal if it's in bypass. To kill the >Vortex and avoid the doubling you'll have to turn either the Vortex >return channel down or the aux send it's on. Bypass won't help you >here. You can get great full stereo use of a Vortex on the Alt 3/4 >buss included on most Mackie mixers. That way you can just punch the >button and send it off to the Vortex. If you return the Vortex to a >channel strip you can then use aux buss processing to further mess >with it or loop it. > >-Miko > >>>> mark 12/06 2:00 AM >>> >I think I have this problem too, when I plug directly in to the >vortex, No Probs...however >it appears "out of phase" when on the AUX sends. > >...so how do I make it "In Phase?"...please? > > >MArk Red > >jpw77@together.net wrote: > >> Sounds like the Vortex is being put out of phase somewhere in your >setup. Could be >> cables (swap 'em and see),another device inline with the Vortex,or >your mixer. If >> you're bringing it back into dedicated efx returns try two normal >channels on the >> board-on some mixers efx returns are (inexplicably) out of phase ( >maybe to >> counteract the fact that the outputs of some budget efx boxes are >out of phase). This >> means your wet signal from the Vortex is out too, and should sound >a lot better if you >> track this down. >> >> Jon Williams > >-- >"In vodka Veritas" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:06:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30155; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:06:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE9F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Tim Reynolds Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:56:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"8cjPw.0.Ml6.Wa_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interestingly enough Bill frisell supposedly turned him onto it when they were both a memeber of julius hemphill's band in the 80's. ** true From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 12:58:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27644; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:58:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:58:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384BF712.7F329CB1@csulb.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:49:07 -0800 From: "Matthew J. Pogue" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Alain Johannes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pNVi33.0.SK6.pS_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, Great to see all the talk about Nels... Yea, he is one amazing musician and I've also been fortunate to see him live many a time... However, I went to see Chris Cornell on Friday at the Wiltern in Los Angeles, and aside from being impressed with his guitarist Alain Johannes' work done on the album, I was even more impressed to see his set-up live! I was too far away to really see all what he was using, but about 2/3 into the set everyone went off the stage except him, and then he just UNLEASHED with this amazing feedback/loop/solo that he had going on for a few minutes on his own. I was totally blown away-- it was very full and lush and beautiful! And he was just attacking his guitar... The pedal down there that may have been his looper (among many), was a black pedalboard/multieffects looking thing that had two expression pedals built into it... One of which he was using as an octaver while playing (similar to the Digitech Whammy...) Seemed he was using that at the beginning and end of his solo extraviganza! Not being versed in what's out there, I don't know what that could be, but it sure as hell was looping... Also, he had three Line 6 amps up there on stage creating his tone, which was quite impressive (and I am very much a tone purist who normally shy's away from anything digital in my guitar chain)... I don't know what models they were-- if they were pure tube amps or the modelling amps I've seen at the store-- but they really sounded great... Anyway, check his stuff out with Chris (great sounds...), and hopefully we'll be seeing more of him in the future!!! And more solo work! -M From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:04:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29963; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:04:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: nels cline / hidden treasures Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:49:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.46708560.257d31ff@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"4abgD.0.yj6.7a_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nels Cline is a fantastic musician. We used to go see him just about every Monday nights at a small club called Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, California. He had more stomp boxes than anyone I've seen and he refuses to replace them with any rackmount effects processors. He must have had about 20 stompboxes. (Imagine all the batteries and power adapters he had to maintain :-) Personally, he is a very gentle, warm, and humble guy and I'm glad he is getting known. I really like his "Frisell + Holdsworth + Punk rock" style as well as his texture/ambient compositions. For those who seek more less known but brilliant works, check out: Hard Drive (movie soundtrack, circa 1993) Welcome, Said the Angel (also a movie soundtrack, French) I think they are both available in your local video store. Curbie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:11:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31223; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:11:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:11:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bf4013$e229a6c0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DL4 expression pedals Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:01:09 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HA_4D1.0.917.Je_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a couple of silly questions folks. I'm awaiting the arival of my DL4, but the Line 6 expression pedal was not available at the time of my purchase. I'm aware that a Roland EV5 pedal will also work with the DL4. Is there anybody out there who could compare the Line 6 pedal to the EV5 in terms of its use with the DL4 (that was way too many model numbers wasn't it?)?? The pic of the Line 6 expression pedal on their newly redesigned website does not look like it allows very much travel. Price is not a big concern as I've located some reasonably priced used EV5s. Not a huge difference in price either way I go. Also (and this is VERY nit-picky), how long is the cable that is supplied with the Line 6 pedal??? If at all possible I would prefer not to have yards of unused, unecessary cable length. Thanks everyone. MicahH I tried asking Line 6 about that last one but I can never get through on the phone, and their tech support email address is no longer on the website From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:05:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30039; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:05:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:05:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FE9E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Tim Reynolds Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:54:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"PVAmP3.0.Lh6.AZ_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm one. Nels Cline is a fine, fine guitarist. The Interstellar Space Revisited CD that he just did with Gregg Bendian is insane. What sort of looping setup does he have? Having never seen him live, I'm curious. I love his work with The Geraldine Fibbers and his trio. Have you heard any of the Interzone stuff? ** nels uses a electro harmonix 16-second delay. interzone first cd is good. gregg bendian on vibes (also composer), mark dresser (the incredible) on acoustic bass, alex cline on drumset. very nice album. kinda prog/jazz. on eremite. interzone 2 is out on atavistic, street date in april 2000. same band, except bass player changes . . . it's me this time. nels fans should also check out scarnella, which is his duo with carla from the fibbers. he's also on two tracks on g.e. stinson's new cd, "vapor," on ecstatic peace . . . also with me on all the tracks . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:35:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04822; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:35:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:35:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FEA2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: nels cline..cd Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:18:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"3eXLV2.0.b9.vu_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com altho - i hope (and i bet Nels does) - that those are not the FINAL trio discs he does !!! heh hehe ** i think that they are - - at least that version of the trio. he has a band with at least two other guitarists, bass, drums, some sampler stuff. it's called destroy all nels cline. i think that he's trying to figure out how to get it recorded . . . stig p.s. miko said that i have all the lovetone pedals ever made - - not true!! (just a lot of 'em) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:34:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04734; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ac01bf4017$02a5a9a0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:23:26 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HIf1Y2.0.YR.Gz_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can confirm that Tim's main toy is a Boss DD-5. He came into town with his trio about a month ago. LOTS of looping. He also stepped on a volume/wah pedal, some Marshal fuzz pedal, and a couple of those new Moog pedals (one of which I think was just for the keyboard which he was also playing). In the acoustic/Dave setting I believe he mainly sticks to the volume/wah and the DD-5. Someone metioned the looping in Tim's "showcase" piece on the Dave and Tim release. I would like to add that that recording was made in '96, and I think it really only scratches the surface of what he can do with that little Boss pedal. I've got a boot that I made in '97, and Tim takes that DD5 to the far reaches. Even more so than he did last month. I have wondered though, was the DD5 even on the market at the time that "Luther College" was recorded. Or was the DD3 the only thing available?? That might explain some of growth in his looping :-))) MicahH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:46:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07567; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:46:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:46:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206122200.007cc100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:22:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: DL4 expression pedals In-Reply-To: <000301bf4013$e229a6c0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NRrKU2.0.5O.8y_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Micah, The Line 6 pedal is plastic. It's relatively sturdy, but I wouldn't trust it for heavy road use. The cable isn't too long at all. I've seen the pedal for around $49 locally. Jeff McLeod At 12:01 PM 12/6/1999 -0600, you wrote: >compare the Line 6 pedal to the EV5 in >terms of its use with the DL4 (that was way too many model numbers wasn't >it?)?? >Also (and this is VERY nit-picky), how >long is the cable that is supplied with the Line 6 pedal??? __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:33:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04403; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384BF8A7.60BC@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:55:51 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6W4SO.0.-g6.8Z_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > has anyone noticed that some of the regular delay patches (tube/tape/maybe > digital dynamic, etc) has PATCH "C"set to REVERSE echo -- in other words- > is anyone else seeing the reverse setting preset into any other sound > BESIDES "REVERSE" ??? YES! I wrote Line6 this weekend about this and will post what I find out. in fact it appears the factory presets do not correspond to the actual delay type in any of "B" and "C" presets. I've noticed the Tweak and Tweeze knobs add modulation on delay types where they are supposed to be treble and bass controls on "B" and there is a 100% wet reverse sound on all "C" presets. > i am able to change it - just wondering..?? As far as I can tell you need to overwrite these sound in each delay type with the "A" preset because they are clearly not the correct delay type. The drag is if you ever need to do a factory reset these wrong settings will be back there. I don't like this at all because I'm not sure I'm even calling up the correct delay setting in preset "A". I hope I hear from LINE6 about a work around for this... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:39:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05906; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:39:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FEA3@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Alain Johannes... Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:28:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"7DBCW2.0.6x.s20Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com However, I went to see Chris Cornell on Friday at the Wiltern in Los Angeles, and aside from being impressed with his guitarist Alain Johannes' ** alain johannes is a great guitar player (and singer). he's been around l.a. for along time. used to do double bills with "his" band called what is this (flea left to join fear), which will be the answer to the trivia question of "which band did the red hot chili peppers come out of?" alain took me to their second gig . . . now look. first what is this album/ep (squeezed?) was very cool. after that it was walk the moon and eleven, now cornell's band. alain used to do a duo with drummer joe berardi here in town. he did some looping in that. one gig he set up a loop before they started, came back and someone had pulled the power - - volia no loop! and a very unhappy alain. band was called the dwindle brothers (rhythm plague - - me, nels, wayne peet on keys, and me and wayne did beatboxes - - used to do double bills with them). l.a. music history over now, back to gear talk . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:55:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09828; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:55:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:36:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, bienappraisers@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Resent-Message-ID: <"kgoOB3.0.FP1.g90Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ahh... this is where you get out the mono volume pedal and patch the aux to it and send volume to the vortex whenever your foot gets the urge... -Miko >>> "Clifford@BienAppraisers" 12/06 9:45 AM >>> I think you may have hit the nail there- so when it is in bypass it sends signal through but with no effect- so you hear the channel signal plus the dry signal from the aux- grrr- my old ass Yamaha mixer has these little dials everywhere- not a push button in sight- even if there were though I'd have to reach over and push it- man- its like I need a mixer BEFORE I even get to my rack and then one after the rack- jeeze- I was looking at Behringer mixers too- lots of bang for the buck there- http://www.behringer.de/eng/default.htm Cliff PS- ot- any pc users who have seen the error "Windows Protection Error" on boot please msg me off list- I removed a partition and now I can't boot reg- safe mode works but I have tried everything- no autoexec, no config, complete scan, sys file check- I read the boot log but saw nothing suspicious- thx- -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; mark@grape.no Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? >I've noticed the mention of putting the unit in bypass... If it's on >an aux send it's doubling your signal if it's in bypass. To kill the >Vortex and avoid the doubling you'll have to turn either the Vortex >return channel down or the aux send it's on. Bypass won't help you >here. You can get great full stereo use of a Vortex on the Alt 3/4 >buss included on most Mackie mixers. That way you can just punch the >button and send it off to the Vortex. If you return the Vortex to a >channel strip you can then use aux buss processing to further mess >with it or loop it. > >-Miko > >>>> mark 12/06 2:00 AM >>> >I think I have this problem too, when I plug directly in to the >vortex, No Probs...however >it appears "out of phase" when on the AUX sends. > >...so how do I make it "In Phase?"...please? > > >MArk Red > >jpw77@together.net wrote: > >> Sounds like the Vortex is being put out of phase somewhere in your >setup. Could be >> cables (swap 'em and see),another device inline with the Vortex,or >your mixer. If >> you're bringing it back into dedicated efx returns try two normal >channels on the >> board-on some mixers efx returns are (inexplicably) out of phase ( >maybe to >> counteract the fact that the outputs of some budget efx boxes are >out of phase). This >> means your wet signal from the Vortex is out too, and should sound >a lot better if you >> track this down. >> >> Jon Williams > >-- >"In vodka Veritas" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:57:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10780; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:57:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:57:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384C7FDD.8DE65FAF@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:32:45 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SCHALTWERK doepfer url References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nSPVp.0.dN1.C90Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.doepfer.de/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:46:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07556; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:46:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:46:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <384BB1CF.4602@together.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:53:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? References: <000801bf3e1c$46cfe7a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> <3848E789.483A@together.net> <384B89D8.D4EBEDE5@grape.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C3iyS3.0.077.jf_Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's your mixer and where are you returning the Vortex signal? Like I said it's most likely the returns are flipped or a cable/cables wired wrong, so try changing those things first and locate where the problem is. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:45:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07488; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <384BBC53.33CA@together.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 13:38:27 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vuM7I1.0.jA1.I70Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I take it all back-realised I've never put my Vortex in bypass, so I did and got the same thing. So it's the unit itself putting the dry signal out of phase. Why, I don't know. Could be delaying the signal slightly. Not a problem if you return it 100% wet or use it inline(instrument-Vortex-amp). Mike's right-you just have to turn it down instead of bypassing it. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:00:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11286; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:00:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:00:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:48:52 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jpw77@together.net Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops Resent-Message-ID: <"3AvJk.0.n82.tM0Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> 12/06 10:38 AM >>> > I take it all back-realised I've never put my Vortex in bypass, so I did and got the same thing. So it's the unit itself putting the dry signal out of phase. Why, I don't know. Could be delaying the signal slightly. Make sure the mix setting on the Vortex is 100 wet. Many of the Vortex supposedly 100% wet setting include at least some undelayed signal which WILL result in some sort of phasing interaction... this might be good or bad depending on what you're really after. Vortex for the most part likes to be serially patched instead of parallel patched... although I did both with two vortexes. I usually made specific patches designed for parallel use when using aux buss applications and stuck to them. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 13:59:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11075; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:59:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:59:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384C0130.5B5C59D5@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:32:19 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: groundfloor@hcis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line 6 Modeler (again) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YEKzF3.0.Z-.J30Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sitting around fooling with the loop sampler right now on it. I put down something simple in the standard mode for the 2.5 sec. or whatever, then went to the half speed mode, and layered some more 12 string guitar on it for some time..this was playing on top of the first pattern that was now at 1/2 speed..Then I went back to the original setting , which now made the second layer faster than the 1st..almost bell and chime sounding..and then I put that into the EDP where it is happily swirling around at present,while I try to figure out how to take the abrupt ending off of it (tried something different on the Line 6 and ended up losing the original pattern) and then eventually recording that to a hard drive. confused? yea,,,me too scott devillez From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:21:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16342; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:21:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:21:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.55f82a00.257d64d1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:13:21 EST Subject: RE: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"YqD1R.0.-d3.Ci0Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are there any recordings out there with julius hemphill, nels and bill and are there any recordings with nels as a member of charlie haden's liberation orchestra? (label released or bootleg) matt > Interestingly enough Bill frisell supposedly turned him onto it when they > were both a memeber of julius hemphill's band in the 80's. > > ** true From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:20:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16287; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:20:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c07c19fc.257d63e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:09:23 EST Subject: RE: nels cline / hidden treasures To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"cFaZn1.0.TP3.Xe0Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could you tell me what the music sounds like on these releases I guess this is actually a rather vague request. What's the instrumentation like and how do the pieces compare to his other compositions. Were these soundtracks ever released as cds or vinyl? I'm very curious as to how nels dealt with scoring a movie. any info would be great. matt > For those who seek more less known but brilliant works, > check out: > > Hard Drive (movie soundtrack, circa 1993) > Welcome, Said the Angel (also a movie soundtrack, French) > > > I think they are both available in your local video store. > > Curbie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:39:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20566; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:39:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DA7B@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:29:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"r_h6b1.0.wZ4.Yx0Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, Or maybe your mixing the dry signal with the wet signal already at the mixer aux's. DT -----Original Message----- From: jpw77@together.net [mailto:jpw77@together.net] Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops I take it all back-realised I've never put my Vortex in bypass, so I did and got the same thing. So it's the unit itself putting the dry signal out of phase. Why, I don't know. Could be delaying the signal slightly. Not a problem if you return it 100% wet or use it inline(instrument-Vortex-amp). Mike's right-you just have to turn it down instead of bypassing it. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:57:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25312; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:57:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:57:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DA7E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:46:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"QcIGV.0.gV5.hA1Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, when I got my mixer, I was surprised to find a whole bunch of modifications and rewires that could be done to it in the owner's manual?! Denis Denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http:/www.dtguitar.com Like I said it's most likely the returns are flipped or a cable/cables wired wrong, From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 14:56:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25058; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:56:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FEA7@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: cline/frisell/hemphill Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:43:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"vYwi92.0.qQ5.H91Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no commercial releases with the julius hemphill j.a.h band with frisell and cline, oh yeah and alex cline and me too. i have a very funky audience-recorded cassette tape that we did in yugoslavia for a tv/jazz festival. i'm sure that the civil war meant the demise of any real tapes of that event. there was a commercial recording of the j.a.h. band without frisell. it was a live recording from the willsau festival in 1984 (if i remember the year). didn't have all of the better stuff from the gig, mix problems. the lp (yep) was on minor music. i have a complete tape of the gig somewhere. the really great gig of that tour was latter at sallfelden, it was put on radio, but i've never heard of any tapes of it (damn!). i kinda wish that tim berne would find a live tape of either one of those tours and reiissue on his label (like he did with hemphill's blue boye). the hemphill gigs were pre-looping for nels. no recordings that i know of with haden. nels played mostly acoustic if i remember well. stig Are there any recordings out there with julius hemphill, nels and bill and are there any recordings with nels as a member of charlie haden's liberation orchestra? (label released or bootleg) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 15:11:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29093; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:11:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:11:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206120254.00815100@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:02:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? In-Reply-To: <384BF8A7.60BC@voicenet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ekKHc.0.mb6.oR1Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not sure what you folks are talking about. The "presets" that you are referring to, are these the first three switches that you can hit to access the delay types? If so, why is there any problem? Just dial in the delay type you want, and save it to whichever "preset" switch you want. Am I missing something? Or are you expecting 3 "patches" per delay type? As far as I can tell, the 3 switches will only save 3 delay presets. So if you have your model switch set to Lo-res delay, for example, and you hit switch 3, which yesterday you saved a cool Analog delay sound to, it will recall the Analog delay, even though your model switch is still on Lo-res. later, rich At 12:55 PM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >> has anyone noticed that some of the regular delay patches (tube/tape/maybe >> digital dynamic, etc) has PATCH "C"set to REVERSE echo -- in other words- >> is anyone else seeing the reverse setting preset into any other sound >> BESIDES "REVERSE" ??? > >YES! I wrote Line6 this weekend about this and will post what I find >out. in fact it appears the factory presets do not correspond to the >actual delay type in any of "B" and "C" presets. > >I've noticed the Tweak and Tweeze knobs add modulation on delay types >where they are supposed to be treble and bass controls on "B" and there >is a 100% wet reverse sound on all "C" presets. > >> i am able to change it - just wondering..?? > >As far as I can tell you need to overwrite these sound in each delay >type with the "A" preset because they are clearly not the correct delay >type. The drag is if you ever need to do a factory reset these wrong >settings will be back there. > >I don't like this at all because I'm not sure I'm even calling up the >correct delay setting in preset "A". I hope I hear from LINE6 about a >work around for this... > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > >Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 15:12:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29224; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:12:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00df01bf4024$6fb69420$602be9d4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: roland s550 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"f4CgS.0.sb6.oR1Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Does someone uses the S550 to loop? Any s550 user welcome for questions... I need help. Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 16:39:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16663; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:13:21 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <006301bf402e$ba061fa0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <00ac01bf4017$02a5a9a0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VCGbA2.0.ED3.Ye2Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Which bootleg is it? I'd love to check it out! Tim plays with his fingers just as well as he plays with his pick; very versatile. George ----- Original Message ----- From: X-ray To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds > I can confirm that Tim's main toy is a Boss DD-5. He came into town with > his trio about a month ago. LOTS of looping. He also stepped on a > volume/wah pedal, some Marshal fuzz pedal, and a couple of those new Moog > pedals (one of which I think was just for the keyboard which he was also > playing). In the acoustic/Dave setting I believe he mainly sticks to the > volume/wah and the DD-5. Someone metioned the looping in Tim's "showcase" > piece on the Dave and Tim release. I would like to add that that recording > was made in '96, and I think it really only scratches the surface of what he > can do with that little Boss pedal. I've got a boot that I made in '97, and > Tim takes that DD5 to the far reaches. Even more so than he did last month. > I have wondered though, was the DD5 even on the market at the time that > "Luther College" was recorded. Or was the DD3 the only thing available?? > That might explain some of growth in his looping :-))) > > MicahH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 18:30:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10130; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:30:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:30:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991206232430.99838.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.25.152.186] From: "Sean Witters" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD Burner Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:24:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ADFLP2.0.CB2.fN4Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just went through the same dilema about a month ago, if you have a SCSI port buy the Yamaha 6416. I did a lot of research and this seems to be the right choice, burner CD-R's @ 6X (that's about 11 minutes a disc), CD-RW's at 4x, and reads at 16X. It has a 2 meg Cache and can be found bundled with Toast for under $300. It's won awards and all that BS. I've been using it for a month and I've only made one coaster and that was my fault. As I said before I looked high and low and this seems to be the right choice. Best of luck, Sean ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 20:24:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05314; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:24:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:24:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991206170409.009fbba0@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 17:16:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Re: Looking for Looper In-Reply-To: <0.cfb852d3.257c9a6b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gnfGt.0.cq.216Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been trying to decide the same thing. Some things I've learned: Price. It looks like you could spend up to $1200 or more depending on how crazy you want to get. Pick a budget,..then try and see whats in your range. Features. What do you need it to do? Effects? Just loop? Midi? Rack Mounted? Once you decide on the needs it will be easier to decide. Read. I've been reading (and listening) like crazy for the last 3 weeks or so and it's helped me enormously. Look at availability. Features. Feedback. Support. Durability. All factors when spending your hard earned money. For me,..Its going to be between the Boomerang and the new DL4. My needs are for something relatively inexpensive (comparatively speaking) and mainly to loop acoustic guitar for live applications. The all in one units seem to be easier to use than say the Echoplex or JamMan. And I don't need it to do any more than loop somewhat long patches and have the capability to layer on top of it. Hope this helps, -Joe At 11:49 PM 12/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm looking for a loop machine. Anybody have leads?? >Echoplex >Boomerang >Jamman? > >I've heard there is a Zoom that has 32 sec of delay time?? > >many Thanks > >Paul Adams > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** "GET DOWN WITH FUNKYTOWN" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 22:03:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25421; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:03:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:03:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001401bf405e$8e1668c0$ed81dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <19991206232430.99838.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: CD Burner Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:55:36 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"11Y0M.0.9w5.xT7Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I concur with the Yamaha drives. I've got a 4416s, which at 4x4x16 (Gee, I think they've got a naming convention going! When's the 8840 coming out, eh?), but no complaints whatsoever. Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Witters" To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 15:24 Subject: Re: CD Burner > I just went through the same dilema about a month ago, if you have a SCSI > port buy the Yamaha 6416. I did a lot of research and this seems to be the > right choice, burner CD-R's @ 6X (that's about 11 minutes a disc), CD-RW's > at 4x, and reads at 16X. It has a 2 meg Cache and can be found bundled with > Toast for under $300. It's won awards and all that BS. I've been using it > for a month and I've only made one coaster and that was my fault. As I said > before I looked high and low and this seems to be the right choice. > Best of luck, Sean > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 22:34:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32265; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:34:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:34:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991206223658.007a9100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:36:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Digitech RDS questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jMPMq.0.bZ7.Ty7Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Having seen a fair number of the Digitech RDS units available for sale, I have a few questions: 1. Apart from the max delay time, what is the difference (if any) between the various RDS/Time Machine units? I've so far seen the RDS1900, the RDS3.6, the RDS6400, the RDS7.6, and the RDS8000. I understand that the 7.6 has a sample feature (apart from infinite repeat/hold delay) that the others might not. Are there other significant differences for looping? 2. What effect does diddling with the Width or Time Delay controls have on a loop in progress? I understand that these units will pitch-shift loops if you tweak the proper controls, but I'm not sure what the interaction is. The online manual says that "in longer delay times...the LFO will make sounds that are not normally useful in music," so I know y'all must have tried it. =) 3. Some PDS owners have previously complained of a problem with pitch drift when their delays are set for infinite repeat. Is there a similar problem with the RDS delays? On a more recent note, I got my Headrush today, and got to spend a fair amount of time dinking around with it before my fiancee went to bed (even the unamp'ed electric strings will keep her awake). Whee! My life as a looper begins in earnest! Now I just need a couple of rackmount units and some volume/expression pedals... =) Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 22:40:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01552; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:40:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:40:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384C7F6E.266AD8CC@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:30:54 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Installing new chips References: <19991202222039.26302.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bHwn6.0.ep7.3_7Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd run this by the list, I tried to install an upgrade chip in a Digitech 2112 (to a 2120) and am now facing a unit that has no output. The meters show an input signal, but no sound emerges. I've installed chips successfully in other Digitech gear so I expected this would be no problem. Guess not. Anyone know anything about this upgrade or perhaps universal upgrade techniques that may be applicable? Thanks for any help Kevin (feeling very much the blunderer) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 23:00:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05407; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:00:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:00:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991206204643.009d0900@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:54:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Digitech RDS questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206223658.007a9100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JyzWA3.0.d01.ZK8Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:36 PM 12/6/99 -0800, Scott A. Martin wrote: >1. Apart from the max delay time, what is the difference (if any) between >the various RDS/Time Machine units? I've so far seen the RDS1900, the >RDS3.6, the RDS6400, the RDS7.6, and the RDS8000. I've personally owned a RDS 1900 and currently own a RDS 3.6; the main difference between the two is the max delay time. The LFO filters sound very similar, the hold function handles identically, and both have about the same sound quality, which is substantially better than the DOD/Digitech pedals I've used (and returned promptly) but not up to par with the Boss/Roland experience. > I understand that the >7.6 has a sample feature (apart from infinite repeat/hold delay) that the >others might not. Are there other significant differences for looping? That's the big difference; the 7.6 has a sample feature according to the manual. That said, I've gotten very good loops with my 3.6 and did when I had the 1900. >2. What effect does diddling with the Width or Time Delay controls have on >a loop in progress? I understand that these units will pitch-shift loops >if you tweak the proper controls, but I'm not sure what the interaction is. At least on the 1900 and 3.6 (and I assume the 7.6 as well given the similarities in internals, not sure about the 8000), the tweaking of delay time, width, et al, are non-destructive. It's my favorite of the 80s rackmount units because of this; while my Boss DE-200 has vastly superior sound quality on the delay(go figure), the LFO isn't nearly as good and it isn't non-destructive, nor can I switch delay times mid-stroke without destroying what's in memory. > The online manual says that "in longer delay times...the LFO will make >sounds that are not normally useful in music," so I know y'all must have >tried it. =) Yes, quite frequently. I can provide sound samples if you'd like; they range anywhere from "oooh, I'm on nitrous" to "who thought that was a good idea" to "exactly what did you do that signal path', particularly if you run a couple delay units with that era LFO together. >3. Some PDS owners have previously complained of a problem with pitch >drift when their delays are set for infinite repeat. Is there a similar >problem with the RDS delays? I haven't ever had that problem; I understand that on some units the memory chips are not quite up to part or have gotten nasty as they get old. I speak from 5+ years of owning various RDS series delays in that I"ve never had a problem, and my units have been beat, thrown around, carried to gigs, dropped out of taxis, et cetera. >Now I just need a couple of rackmount units and >some volume/expression pedals... =) Yeah, I need a 0-5v voltage control pedal for my 3.6; then I can enter the realm of the sickly in modifying times on the fly. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 23:42:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14657; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:42:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.998e63cb.257de5b7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:23:19 EST Subject: Re: Digitech RDS questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"IXj1o1.0.nl2.rl8Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/7/99 1:33:10 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, scott@morriganrecords.com writes: << Whee! My life as a looper begins in earnest! >> beware of what you wish for............:).............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 6 23:46:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15763; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:46:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:46:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> References: <0.bb7133cd.257d1e19@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:29:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: JFK LSD UFO Resent-Message-ID: <"Fa3fQ1.0.V03.Iq8Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre: Wanted to hear your audio but the links went 404. Just wanted you to know, if you don't.... David Myers >*NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > >Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute >http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:09:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14313; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:09:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:09:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? In-Reply-To: <384BF8A7.60BC@voicenet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FpMvw3.0.uQ3.l7BJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK line 6 called me AND emailed me back..prompt service.... the deal is - you have a TOTAL of 3 presets in the DL4 - i thought it was 3 PER digital delay type - for a total of 48..no go i guess three is amazing enuf - for a non midi, stompbox type device... so - no matter what 'model'echo you are in - the threee presets - A B and C - will remain whatever they are - they don't change with every turn of knob #1 (echo type) of course - you can change all 3 settings and save the new sounds. all is cool. "what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 01:59:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12212; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:59:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:59:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207015936.0092b100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 01:59:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Alain Johannes... In-Reply-To: <384BF712.7F329CB1@csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"L53nC3.0.4w2.T-AJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >However, I went to see Chris Cornell on Friday at the Wiltern in Los >Angeles, and aside from being impressed with his guitarist Alain >Johannes' work done on the album, I was even more impressed to see his >set-up live! I was too far away to really see all what he was using, >Anyway, check his stuff out with Chris (great sounds...), and hopefully >we'll be seeing more of him in the future!!! And more solo work! > >-M > DITTO on all that - i was similarly surprised when an otherwise excellent show got even better with a BIG chunk of looping in front on 1200-1500 people in NYC!!! Good article/interview with Cornell and Johannes in the oct 99 guitar one ragazine... www.guitaronemag.com L8R andre' > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:03:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13216; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:03:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:03:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207020344.0092b140@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:03:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: DL4 expression pedals In-Reply-To: <000301bf4013$e229a6c0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9ZXCM1.0.h93.I2BJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:01 PM 12/6/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have a couple of silly questions folks. I'm awaiting the arival of my >DL4, but the Line 6 expression pedal was not available at the time of my >purchase. I'm aware that a Roland EV5 pedal will also work with the DL4. will it??? i was told today by a LIne 6 tech support dude that the Roland pedal would NOT work -- wrong polarity etc... he said that any volume pedal with a 10K pot would though--- i assume - you only need get a cord that has a stereo plug on one end and the other end splits into 2 mono phone plugs..(for the input and output jack on the vol pedal. >phone, and their tech support email address is no longer on the website i believe it's support@line6.com andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 01:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11845; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 01:55:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:33:02 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: PMC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YfhYB1.0.0R2.IpAJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com grab 'em while you can: >From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:43:16 EST >Subject: PMC-10 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Hi this is Jon from Alto Music.I may have a couple of the PMC-10's kickin' >around.Brand new in a box I believe.Let me know if anyone needs >one.Email-alto@warwick.net >Thanks > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:14:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15268; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:14:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207021340.00930560@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:13:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops In-Reply-To: <384BBC53.33CA@together.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1tgAR2.0.SW3.cBBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:38 PM 12/6/99 +0000, you wrote: >I take it all back-realised I've never put my Vortex in bypass, so I did and got the same >thing. So it's the unit itself putting the dry signal out of phase. Why, I don't know. Could >be delaying the signal slightly. Not a problem if you return it 100% wet or use it >inline(instrument-Vortex-amp). Mike's right-you just have to turn it down instead of >bypassing it. > >Jon Williams > .. yeah - the one complaint i have about the vortex is the 'volume suck' when you put it into bypass..a small drop in the dynamic level... and a pretty good jump in volume the other direction - when you kick it in. intreedting to hear other 'complaints'- hope i;m using it right... andre' > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:21:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16688; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:21:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:21:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207022032.0092e680@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:20:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206120254.00815100@pop3.argotech.net> References: <384BF8A7.60BC@voicenet.com> <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UgcgB2.0.Yw3.3IBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanx rich you are spot-on.that's exactly as the tech support explained it to me. yes- i daftly assumed that you could get 3 patches PER model.. see ya ac At 12:02 PM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm not sure what you folks are talking about. The "presets" that you are >referring to, are these the first three switches that you can hit to access >the delay types? If so, why is there any problem? Just dial in the delay >type you want, and save it to whichever "preset" switch you want. Am I >missing something? Or are you expecting 3 "patches" per delay type? > >As far as I can tell, the 3 switches will only save 3 delay presets. So if >you have your model switch set to Lo-res delay, for example, and you hit >switch 3, which yesterday you saved a cool Analog delay sound to, it will >recall the Analog delay, even though your model switch is still on Lo-res. > >later, > >rich > > > At 12:55 PM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >>> has anyone noticed that some of the regular delay patches (tube/tape/maybe >>> digital dynamic, etc) has PATCH "C"set to REVERSE echo -- in other words- >>> is anyone else seeing the reverse setting preset into any other sound >>> BESIDES "REVERSE" ??? >> >>YES! I wrote Line6 this weekend about this and will post what I find >>out. in fact it appears the factory presets do not correspond to the >>actual delay type in any of "B" and "C" presets. >> >>I've noticed the Tweak and Tweeze knobs add modulation on delay types >>where they are supposed to be treble and bass controls on "B" and there >>is a 100% wet reverse sound on all "C" presets. >> >>> i am able to change it - just wondering..?? >> >>As far as I can tell you need to overwrite these sound in each delay >>type with the "A" preset because they are clearly not the correct delay >>type. The drag is if you ever need to do a factory reset these wrong >>settings will be back there. >> >>I don't like this at all because I'm not sure I'm even calling up the >>correct delay setting in preset "A". I hope I hear from LINE6 about a >>work around for this... >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion >>"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." >> >>Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and >>info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. >> >> > > > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:43:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21368; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:43:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207024111.00935100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:41:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: JFK LSD UFO In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <0.bb7133cd.257d1e19@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uy_I41.0.q-4.QbBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey david yes-- i am switching servers -like.. this week - and the transition will mean - way better sound access etc - and some video as well... stay tuned- i'll announce here . thnks for asking andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:30:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18333; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:30:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:27:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: DL 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"ltnee1.0.WO4.XRBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just picked one of these up Sat ($239 @ Portland Music, plus they threw in a free (non-standard but works fine) power supply). I haven't had a lot of time to play with it as yet, but I am really digging it thus far. The Sweep Echo patch is especially cool: a tape echo simulation with an LFO-driven filter on the repeats, just spent about an hour playing rhodes through this patch. While I don't have access to a Space Echo, and haven't compared it directly to my Deluxe Memory Man, the simulations sound *very* believable, twiddling the delay knob on the tape echo sims actually sounds like tape speeding up. Gets great feedback too, I'm glad that line6 opted to emulate the way analog delays *really* work instead of the way they were *supposed* to work. In fact, at extreme feedback settings, this thing can produce some really hairy sounds. There's a couple of very cool design elements in the box, plus a few that are kind of annoying. On the cool side, the Tap LED changes tempo whether you enter the time by the switch or the Delay knob. Also, it stores the delay time as part of each user preset. On the annoying side: the switches that recall the 3 user presets also act as the only bypass switches. If you recall a preset, tweak it while playing, then bypass the patch without storing, when you step on the bypass switch again, the unit recalls the stored patch, not the edited patch. And, for such a preset-dependant machine, having only 3 slots is pretty slim, though to be honest, I can't see how Line6 could have implemented any more patches without making the unit way more complex. Also, an infinite hold switch, like on the Digitech pedals, would be cool, several times I've come across textures that I'd really like to hang on to, but even with the repeat knob full on, the delays still die away. This is more like the way real analog delays work anyway, and I intend to keep my Boomerang in my pedalboard along with the DL-4 to loop the output of the DL-4. Another thing: there's no input level attenuator. I've run it on bass, rhodes, and on a line-level Aux mixer send, and none seemed to overdrive the DL-4, so maybe this isn't an issue. The Looping patch acts almost exactly like the Boomerang, except with only 14 seconds, which frankly is plenty for most simple looping, and the speed change and reverse functions sharing one footswitch. It does record at slow speed and playback at double-speed, which is pretty important for me as a bassist, one thing I do a lot with the Boomerang is grab a loop at slow speed, speed it up and reverse it, making it fill a different space than the bass. Alkl inall, it's an exceptionally cool pedal, it sounds great and costs less than you'd pay for any *one* of the analog delays it emulates. The tape delay patches in particular sound totally right to my ears. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:49:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22342; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:49:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:13:37 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <005401bf4082$9578a0a0$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <00ac01bf4017$02a5a9a0$cec4d6d1@oemcomputer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"uv5df.0.lT4.BUBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a 2-second hold. Is that all he uses? George ----- Original Message ----- From: X-ray To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds > I can confirm that Tim's main toy is a Boss DD-5. He came into town with > his trio about a month ago. LOTS of looping. He also stepped on a > volume/wah pedal, some Marshal fuzz pedal, and a couple of those new Moog > pedals (one of which I think was just for the keyboard which he was also > playing). In the acoustic/Dave setting I believe he mainly sticks to the > volume/wah and the DD-5. Someone metioned the looping in Tim's "showcase" > piece on the Dave and Tim release. I would like to add that that recording > was made in '96, and I think it really only scratches the surface of what he > can do with that little Boss pedal. I've got a boot that I made in '97, and > Tim takes that DD5 to the far reaches. Even more so than he did last month. > I have wondered though, was the DD5 even on the market at the time that > "Luther College" was recorded. Or was the DD3 the only thing available?? > That might explain some of growth in his looping :-))) > > MicahH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 02:50:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22444; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207023634.00934620@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 02:36:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Digitech RDS questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991206223658.007a9100@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pElVs1.0.gj4.5XBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >On a more recent note, I got my Headrush today, and got to spend a fair >amount of time dinking around with it before my fiancee went to bed (even >the unamp'ed electric strings will keep her awake). >Scott Martin hmmm. sounds like a re-think is in order...she's gotta know THE DEAL before you take the big PLunge.... ha ha hehe hehe andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 03:18:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27702; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207031610.00940270@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 03:16:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: PMC-10 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KEBNE1.0.hW6.C6CJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com doesn't this thing use the evil (and useless) .MIDI itself....??? hmmm. andre' At 10:33 PM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote: >grab 'em while you can: > >>From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:43:16 EST >>Subject: PMC-10 >>To: kflint@annihilist.com >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >>Hi this is Jon from Alto Music.I may have a couple of the PMC-10's kickin' >>around.Brand new in a box I believe.Let me know if anyone needs >>one.Email-alto@warwick.net >>Thanks >> > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 03:35:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31305; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:35:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:35:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.34388cd9.257e1ef8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:27:36 EST Subject: Re: nels cline To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"5f1Vr1.0.yD7.tKCJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've known Nels since about the time I moved to L.A. in 1986. After hearing a lot about him, I saw him play solo opening for Bill Frisell and Henry Kaiser at McCabe's in Santa Monica. I was immediately very impressed - he did a solo version of "War Orphans" by Ornette Coleman which I still have a pretty vivid recollection of, which is REALLY saying something. After seeking out a few other gigs I got to know him a bit and he acted as a bit of a mentor to me (totally unintentionally, I'm sure), introducing me to lots of players and throwing a few gigs my way he was unable or unwilling to do. He's really a phenomenal player, very imaginative and unique. One other thing that's always impressed me about him is I've never seen him play where anything was glib or "phoned-in", it's always totally focused and present (at least that's how it sounds to me). I'd highly recommmend any of the trio CD's, they're really great, plus I know he'll be touring sometime coming up (if hasn't left already) with Mark Isham's Miles Davis tribute thang. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 03:52:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02011; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:52:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:52:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <384CC9BC.4EC9EC04@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:47:56 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: roland s550 References: <00df01bf4024$6fb69420$602be9d4@lenclud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o2M5t.0.rG.VdCJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Laurent wrote: > > Hello, > > Does someone uses the S550 to loop? Any s550 user welcome for questions... > I need help. > > Laurent I have used an S330 (that's an S550 with half the RAM) extensively in the past, but not for live looping as such... -- Os os@scee.sony.co.uk os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 04:40:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10671; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 04:40:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 04:40:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 01:34:35 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC-10 In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19991207031610.00940270@mail.monmouth.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"KZOrb2.0.WV2.uJDJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yep, it's absolutely diabolical. Completely infested with the dread midi scourge. Not useless tho. kim (funny, "The Thing that Should Not Be" is playing as I write. >:-) >doesn't this thing use the evil (and useless) .MIDI itself....??? > > >hmmm. > >andre' > > >At 10:33 PM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote: >>grab 'em while you can: >> >>>From: JHKNICKS@aol.com >>>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:43:16 EST >>>Subject: PMC-10 >>>To: kflint@annihilist.com >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> >>>Hi this is Jon from Alto Music.I may have a couple of the PMC-10's kickin' >>>around.Brand new in a box I believe.Let me know if anyone needs >>>one.Email-alto@warwick.net >>>Thanks >>> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | >> >> >> >> >*NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > >Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute >http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 06:25:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29432; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:25:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c6480d78.257e477f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:20:31 EST Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"OO8kU2.0.M-6.-sEJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually 3 presets is the least impressive part of the dl4 in my opinion. i really love it and really only use it to loop, so i am not complaining, but 3 presets isn't much. i would like to see line6 come out with a little brother version of this unit that just included the looper and a big brother version that came with more than 3 presets and maybe some midi mayhem of some sort. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 06:24:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29330; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:24:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.1c50170c.257e46ae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:17:02 EST Subject: Re: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"QTFHq2.0.Oo6.jpEJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i have no > idea whats going on with this machine, but i love > it.........:)........michael 12 min.......yipes! still going............ > Does it (maybe ) decay while the overdub is on , but not when its off? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 09:29:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31679; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:29:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:29:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SnarleyCo@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a5ddae36.257e70f1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:17:21 EST Subject: Re: sp202 yet again: HELP! To: looper@mail.kindercore.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"xVL9W1.0.O57.pSHJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Man, i got a DR - S a yr or so ago ....finally shelved it...it seems to dislike work ! Good luck... I'll see if i can track down my Owners Man and scan it for Ya' Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 10:15:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10057; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:15:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.883b1df7.257e7af1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:00:01 EST Subject: Re: zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"zpZb81.0.xa1.k4IJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/7/99 9:22:39 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes: << Does it (maybe ) decay while the overdub is on , but not when its off? >> good question.........i will investigate this........thanks for the pointer.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 11:47:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29785; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:47:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e83873a.257e9174@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:36:04 EST Subject: Re: DL4 expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"NP6Jj1.0.Mi6.pUJJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I plugged in my EV5 last night and it works, though I'm not yet convinced that it covers the full range of a given setting. Seems I couldn't go from minimum rate to absolute maximum rate of sweep on the swept filter delay mode. It would cover a rather broad range, but not the total. DOn't know if it's cause of the EV5 or the DL4. I didn't spend much time trying. Suffice to say I was happy with the result on several modes with the EV5. eric p echo park In a message dated 12/7/99 12:03:08 AM, andre@monmouth.com writes: >> I'm aware that a Roland EV5 pedal will also work with the DL4. > >will it??? i was told today by a LIne 6 tech support dude that the Roland >pedal would NOT work -- wrong polarity etc... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 12:25:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06162; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:25:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:25:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:52:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, andre@monmouth.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVd7i2.0.Hj7.skJJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> andre 12/07 12:15 AM >>> doesn't this thing use the evil (and useless) .MIDI itself....??? hmmm. andre' Ummm... would you like the possibility of using one pedal to increase your feedback while lowering your output level to keep things balanced? How about a single pedal move to fade in a reverb, remove a delay and increase the distortion of patches on three different dsp's? Or maybe send note on/note off info for a huge chord on a synth module? Or assigning one button to change patches on three different dsp's, start a drum machine, play a bass note AND start your EDP recording? All this and more can be done via midi... now if you just plain don't like the WORD midi that's entirely another quandry... -Miko Kim so kindly led us to PMC-10's (I've got two so they're all yours...) >>Hi this is Jon from Alto Music.I may have a couple of the PMC-10's kickin' >>around.Brand new in a box I believe.Let me know if anyone needs >>one.Email-alto@warwick.net >>Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 12:29:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06583; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:29:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:40:23 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, andre@monmouth.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" /phase/oops Resent-Message-ID: <"sW4rm2.0.Vz6.uYJJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > .. yeah - the one complaint i have about the vortex is the 'volume suck' when you put it into bypass..a small drop in the dynamic level... and a pretty good jump in volume the other direction - when you kick it in. Store your own balanced patches in the user registers... You can always lower the output level and store 'em wherever you like the level. Because of all the possibilities of radical regeneration in that box, it's anyone's guess where the balance could lie... You'll have to get critical and adjust the output of each register to taste... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 13:07:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15543; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:07:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:07:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <384873DE.A7B54AF@columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:43:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: anyone looping 2 or more personal computers? Resent-Message-ID: <"LkZ8.0.BW2.CVKJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:52 PM -0700 12/3/99, Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: >Hi, all: > >I seem to be acquiring more and more pre-PPC Macs as more and more of them are >thrown away by slap-happy consumers. > >I am hatching an evil plan to have them all >generate random MIDI commands to one another while I dance around them >listening >to their cheap little speakers fart and burp. > >I wonder: who among you has set up comparatively lo-tech real-time loops >between >personal computers using MIDI data or audio? Tell me about your setup and give >me advice if you have a moment. There used to be a shareware called (I think) Parrot, which recorded snippets from a Mac's mic input and then played them back at random through the internal speaker. I used to have a dozen old Macs and considered setting up installation using them all running this program, within earshot of each other. Sort of like the classic "I am sitting in a room" effect, but interactive and crudely digital. Also, it occured to me that if you left 100 machines running this long enough you might eventually get a recital of Hamlet, or something. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 13:30:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21270; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:30:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:30:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4400cc5d.257ea6cd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:07:09 EST Subject: Re: DL-4 future To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"y-8xK2.0.5r3.GqKJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/3/99 8:54:19 AM, xouoxno@virtulink.com writes: >>software upgrades somewhere down the line are possible with that >> as well? >Anybody with the know-how wanna open one of >these things up and look? That didn't take long. Leave it to this list to want more out of this box already (myself included - though I've rarely been so gear-sated for $230)! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 14:02:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28522; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:02:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:02:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00af01bf40e2$910873a0$63c3d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:40:39 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-nWd31.0.yl5.FJLJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Which bootleg is it? I'd love to check it out! >Tim plays with his fingers just as well as he plays with his pick; very >versatile. This is a boot that I made personally during the '97 tour. It's not out there on the market. I would guess that any boot from the '97 acoustic tour to the recent '99 tour would have great examples throughout. MicahH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 13:51:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26021; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:51:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991207182435.75537.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.67.1] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: anyone looping 2 or more personal computers? Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:24:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rIAmW.0.It4.a4LJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There used to be a shareware called (I think) Parrot, which recorded >snippets from a Mac's mic input >and then played them back at random through the internal speaker. I used to >have a dozen old >Macs and considered setting up installation using them all running this >program, within earshot of each other. the thought of this makes my day. does anyone here have the know-how on how create such a program together for PC? matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 14:16:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31607; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:16:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912071854.NAA26396@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:24:58 +0530 Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sG2v_3.0.2T6.sVLJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > wow - what a crazy guitar. i tend to pull the frets out of mine alot > lately but this looks fun! > Glen Peterson is one awesome luthier. This has to be the most incredible fretting EVER done. Unbelievable ! Well, y'all know whom to call if you need some excellent guitar work done. And it ain't just fun, this instrument has potential that puts a regular guitar to shame. > another cool thing i want that (no doubt) costs a big pile of money. It ain't necessarily so ! This particular instrument is a regular G&L strat style,. They can be prdered fretless, which makes it easier & cheaper to custom fret for non 12-tET. At the most u could have just the neck custom built by a luthier or ordered form Warmoth or whoever. The fretting costs will depend on the fretting scheme. For 31-tET for example, there are about 3 times as many frets as in a vanilla guitar, plus it's more tedious work. I'm planning on a 41-tET soon as I have the dinero. With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't see myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make for some amazing possiblities. > golly. indeed. > bobdog bow wow, drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 14:16:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31677; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:16:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:16:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912071852.NAA26100@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:22:22 +0530 Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qthYj2.0.8O6.fTLJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > wow - what a crazy guitar. i tend to pull the frets out of mine alot > lately but this looks fun! > Glen Peterson is one awesome luthier. This has to be the most incredible fretting EVER done. Unbelievable ! Well, y'all know whom to call if you need some excellent guitar work done. > another cool thing i want that (no doubt) costs a big pile of money. It ain't necessarily so ! This particular instrument is a regular G&L strat style,. They can be prdered fretless, which makes it easier & cheaper to custom fret for non 12-tET. At the most u could have just the neck custom built by a luthier or ordered form Warmoth or whoever. The fretting costs will depend on the fretting scheme. For 31-tET for example, there are about 3 times as many frets as in a vanilla guitar, plus it's more tedious work. I'm planning on a 41-tET soon as I have the dinero. With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't see myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make for some amazing possiblities. > golly. indeed. > bobdog bow wow, drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 15:14:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12698; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:14:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:14:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207112008.008192e0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:20:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: DL-4 future In-Reply-To: <0.4400cc5d.257ea6cd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IqGNN3.0.2S.5zLJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, it didn't take long for the wishlist to appear. However, this is not new to Line6 products. The conversation threads and wishlists for their POD preamp and amplifiers is a ongoing process. Check out the patch request on their website (actually, I posted a mail suggesting that they take a look at the LD mailing list to see what we were saying about their new pedal). To make gear that everybody LOVES, but is inspiring to make us all want more is one of the cool things about Line6 stuff. I think their gear is gonna be collectible one of these days, like EH stuff was before the reissues hit. I actually opened up my DL4, hoping to see an upgradeable eprom with easy access, like the POD. No such luck, just the back of a circuitboard. To get a look at the chips, you are going to have to disassemble it. I gave up, it wasn't worth voiding the warranty on a product i had for four days! later, rich At 01:07 PM 12/7/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/3/99 8:54:19 AM, xouoxno@virtulink.com writes: > >>>software upgrades somewhere down the line are possible with that >>> as well? > >>Anybody with the know-how wanna open one of >>these things up and look? > >That didn't take long. Leave it to this list to want more out of this box >already (myself included - though I've rarely been so gear-sated for $230)! > >eric p >echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 16:47:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01848; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:47:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:47:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384D67FB.4536EDAA@columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:03:13 -0400 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: parrot References: <199912072017.PAA13555@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VZjWr2.0.So5.RNNJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Alex. Parrot can be gotten from ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/mac/sound/soundutil/parrot1.0b1.cpt.hqx It's perfect for ol' junky macs because it only monitors the "mic" input. It won't work on my PPC, but, still, not bad for only 37k. I'm going to try it out on the 68000s. MHL At 6:52 PM -0700 12/3/99, Morgan Hamilton Lang wrote: >Hi, all: > >I seem to be acquiring more and more pre-PPC Macs as more and more of them are >thrown away by slap-happy consumers. > >I am hatching an evil plan to have them all >generate random MIDI commands to one another while I dance around them >listening >to their cheap little speakers fart and burp. > >I wonder: who among you has set up comparatively lo-tech real-time loops >between >personal computers using MIDI data or audio? Tell me about your setup and give >me advice if you have a moment. There used to be a shareware called (I think) Parrot, which recorded snippets from a Mac's mic input and then played them back at random through the internal speaker. I used to have a dozen old Macs and considered setting up installation using them all running this program, within earshot of each other. Sort of like the classic "I am sitting in a room" effect, but interactive and crudely digital. Also, it occured to me that if you left 100 machines running this long enough you might eventually get a recital of Hamlet, or something. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 17:35:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12726; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:35:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991207134703.009f2f00@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:50:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: 4-track to PC Question.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-tbUT2.0.Vk.V5OJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O.k. so I have a simple 4 track setup and I'd like to start to slowly make the transition to using a PC for recording sound, etc. But heres my first basic question: What do I need (software and hardware) to dump mixed songs to my computer. Is it as simple as a robust sound card? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** "GET DOWN WITH FUNKYTOWN" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 18:46:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28181; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006d01bf4107$f3a02b00$a899b8d4@oemcomputer> To: References: <199912071854.NAA26396@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:07:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) Resent-Message-ID: <"k2UEU1.0.Tm4.t9PJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > wow - what a crazy guitar. i tend to pull the frets out of mine alot > > lately but this looks fun! > > > Glen Peterson is one awesome luthier. This has to be the most incredible > fretting EVER done. Unbelievable ! Well, y'all know whom to call if you need > some excellent guitar work done. Hi Drew, What guitar are you talking about? could you send me some links or the adress from this guitar builder it sounds interesting! Thanks L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 19:00:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30747; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:00:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384D968B.CDBBED5F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:22:05 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: anyone looping 2 or more personal computers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_HzWn1.0.3J5.kKPJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex Stahl wrote: > Sort of like the classic "I am sitting in a room" effect, but interactive > and crudely digital. Also, it > occured to me that if you left 100 machines running this long enough you > might eventually get a recital of Hamlet, or something. > > -Alex S. or the "checkers speech", for that matter. lance g. ps i really like this idea (having a few old macs sitting around...) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 19:36:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06818; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:36:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BF40E3.BAAFCAE0.david@oleniacz.com> From: David Oleniacz To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Alto Music doesn't have any PMC-10's - I'm still looking for one Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:48:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w6Gie2.0.yw6.QoPJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I talked with Jon from Alto Music today, he doesn't have any PMC-10's. anyone else got one they're willing to part with? David On Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:35 AM, Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] wrote: > yep, it's absolutely diabolical. Completely infested with the dread midi > scourge. Not useless tho. > > kim > (funny, "The Thing that Should Not Be" is playing as I write. >:-) > > > >doesn't this thing use the evil (and useless) .MIDI itself....??? > > > > > >hmmm. > > > >andre' > > > > > >At 10:33 PM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote: > >>grab 'em while you can: > >> > >>>From: JHKNICKS@aol.com > >>>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:43:16 EST > >>>Subject: PMC-10 > >>>To: kflint@annihilist.com > >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>> > >>>Hi this is Jon from Alto Music.I may have a couple of the PMC-10's kickin' > >>>around.Brand new in a box I believe.Let me know if anyone needs > >>>one.Email-alto@warwick.net > >>>Thanks > >>> > >> > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | > >> > >> > >> > >> > >*NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > > > >Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute > >http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 20:04:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12631; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:04:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: Subject: Re: Tim Reynolds Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:59:17 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5r7rT1.0.EY7.F-PJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a 2->>second hold. Is that all he uses? I'm as amazed as you, but yeah that's it. MH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 20:26:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17442; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:26:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <017001bf4113$be308c60$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: DL4 expression pedals Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:32:06 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jSg2H2.0.PR1.MTQJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >he said that any volume pedal with a 10K pot would though--- i assume >you only need get a cord that has a stereo plug on one end and the >other end splits into 2 mono phone plugs..(for the input and output jack >on the vol pedal. So which volume pedals out there use a 10K pot??? MH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 20:29:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18212; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:29:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991207173220.0096eba0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:34:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: horter looping times [was Re: Tim Reynolds] In-Reply-To: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Goczj.0.xe1.ZVQJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:59 PM 12/7/99 -0600, X-ray wrote: >>>I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a >2->>second hold. Is that all he uses? > > >I'm as amazed as you, but yeah that's it. All I use is a Digitech 3.6 and a Boss DE-200 (1200 ms hold max), hooked generally in serial. It's amazing what can be done with just the minimal functions, if you're dedicated to making it work. Even when I had my 30s tape loop in a RE-301, I used the 1900ms hold on my old RDS-1900 more often (and more effectively) than the tape. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 20:42:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20478; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:42:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:42:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf4116$0d7f5d80$537579a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: gear Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:49:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF40D2.FBB1B320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"8x_Gv1.0.EG2.IhQJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF40D2.FBB1B320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only 2 secs but mint! 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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF40D2.FBB1B320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 20:53:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22786; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:53:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:53:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207200559.007a6b70@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: coirbidh_99@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:05:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Scott A. Martin" Subject: Re: Digitech RDS questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cMCvg.0.jp2.5rQJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> The online manual says that "in longer delay times...the LFO will make >>sounds that are not normally useful in music," so I know y'all must have >>tried it. =) > >Yes, quite frequently. I can provide sound samples if you'd like; they >range anywhere from "oooh, I'm on nitrous" to "who thought that was a good >idea" to "exactly what did you do that signal path', particularly if you >run a couple delay units with that era LFO together. Great! Please put 'em up! I'm quite intrigued by the samples on your music page, BTW. More pagan music! Scott Martin Morrigan Records scott@morriganrecords.com http://www.morriganrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 21:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29314; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991207205053.00837b00@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:50:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Line6 DL4 $200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991204125208.007bc400@pop.mindspring.com> References: <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TnSRV.0.dW5.WcRJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't wish to be an enabler to any but thems that musts, but: http://www.samash.com/shopping.htm $199.99 I reckon that's about the best listed price out there, for now...BTW, thems thats gots PODs can use the POD adapter. I noticed that Slam Ass didn't have one listed at their site, and this thing eats batteries. Hasta -> Rico ******************************************************** * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * ******************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 21:29:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31557; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:29:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384DBE24.278DE981@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:10:44 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality References: <199912071854.NAA26396@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_gEGD3.0.-f6.guRJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Drew Skyfyre wrote: > > > wow - what a crazy guitar. i tend to pull the frets out of mine alot > > lately but this looks fun! > > > Glen Peterson is one awesome luthier. This has to be the most incredible > fretting EVER done. Unbelievable ! Well, y'all know whom to call if you need > some excellent guitar work done. His fret work is the best I've ever seen. And I've checked out most every microtonal guitar that's been in the NYC area in the past 6 years. Damm - it's just great work period and I've seen a lot of guitars in the past 25 years. > And it ain't just fun, this instrument has potential that puts a regular > guitar to shame. After posting on Sunday, I did do some recording and now know my direction is minimalism. Actually it has been but I didn't know that my music on this guitar would continue in the tradition. There's some thing about sustained chords on this guitar that the world needs to hear! The DL-4 helps a with this vision a lot by building such an incredible wall of sustain. I think I'm going to listen to the dat tape now and check it out. > > another cool thing i want that (no doubt) costs a big pile of money. > It ain't necessarily so ! This particular instrument is a regular G&L strat > style,. They can be prdered fretless, which makes it easier & cheaper to > custom fret for non 12-tET. At the most u could have just the neck custom > built by a luthier or ordered form Warmoth or whoever. The fretting costs > will depend on the fretting scheme. For 31-tET for example, there are about > 3 times as many frets as in a vanilla guitar, plus it's more tedious work. > > I'm planning on a 41-tET soon as I have the dinero. Email me privately and explain - why 41 tet???? > With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't see > myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The > combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make for > some amazing possiblities. Yeah, but they harmonize in ji??? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 21:37:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01036; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:37:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:37:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3a3440be.257f197f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:16:31 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 $200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"lLTog.0.h27.4_RJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com still can get some at banko's in ct for less than this price and you won't be supporting satan. give them a call. good people and great prices. support the little guy once in a while. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 21:56:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04566; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:56:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:56:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:00:25 -0500 From: George McConnell Subject: Re: horter looping times [was Re: Tim Reynolds] To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <002101bf411f$fe4cc960$1a111981@dhcp.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <4.1.19991207173220.0096eba0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"w4t4e2.0.1P7.T5SJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the advantage? It doesn't fade away? I'm sure an obvious disadvantage is that you can't overdub on top of an already existing loop. Would I be better going with a looper or a delay with a hold function? I was considering getting the DL4, but if I can do all that Tim does with a little Boss pedal, now I'm reconsidering. George ----- Original Message ----- From: the Reverend Rob To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: horter looping times [was Re: Tim Reynolds] > At 05:59 PM 12/7/99 -0600, X-ray wrote: > >>>I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a > >2->>second hold. Is that all he uses? > > > > > >I'm as amazed as you, but yeah that's it. > > All I use is a Digitech 3.6 and a Boss DE-200 (1200 ms hold max), hooked > generally in serial. It's amazing what can be done with just the minimal > functions, if you're dedicated to making it work. Even when I had my 30s > tape loop in a RE-301, I used the 1900ms hold on my old RDS-1900 more often > (and more effectively) than the tape. > > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 22:04:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06602; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:04:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:04:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:44:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: shorter looping times [was Re: Tim Reynolds] In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991207173220.0096eba0@realm-of-shade.com> References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4YKIu.0.pZ.eOSJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I find my Korg SDD-1000 (2048 ms max) quite useful for short loops in my mixer's aux 2, with footswitches for hold and bypass. (Aux 1 is the Headrush). One thing I like to do with the Korg when it's got a good loop going is to send it to the other looper to overdub onto a longer loop, freeing up the SDD-1000 for a new short loop or for duty as a non-looping delay. This is nothing new to EDP users with your Multiply function, and there's a lot less control my way, but it does the trick. It generally works better when one of the loopers is handling a more rhythmic part and the other is a texture-type thing, since they're non-synchronous. Using the two independently is a little more forgiving in lieu of a genuine UNDO. (OK, I'll admit it! I wish I had a maxed EDP!) I also have a DD-3 on the floor, but find it a lot more appropriate to use it as a regular delay than trying to do the one-footed tap dance to hold. What I used to do with the DD-3 involved an L-screw (I'm not sure what it's really called; it looks like an allen wrench with a threaded point...)screwed down into my pedalboard next to the DD-3. While holding the pedal down, a quarter turn of the L-screw latches the DD-3 into hold mode so you don't have to keep your foot on it. The downside is you've got to unlatch it to make it stop. The Korg's a lot easier. Anyone else using short loopers either by themselves or in conjunction with longer ones? Tim (not that one...) At 05:34 PM 12/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:59 PM 12/7/99 -0600, X-ray wrote: >>>>I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a >>2->>second hold. Is that all he uses? >> >>I'm as amazed as you, but yeah that's it. > >All I use is a Digitech 3.6 and a Boss DE-200 (1200 ms hold max), hooked >generally in serial. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 22:15:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09001; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:15:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:15:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991207215249.007b3300@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:52:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: DIY literature/schematics, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991207173220.0096eba0@realm-of-shade.com> References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PwiDm2.0.O21.pWSJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Besides the Craig Anderton stuff, can anyone recommend any good books about construction of simple, useful circuits (yer basic mixers, splitters, preamps, impedance matchers, A/B's, power supplies, etc.)? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 23:19:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23012; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:19:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf4130$b356a960$be22dacf@stepheng> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Cc: References: <0.9bc53bef.257f2b5c@aol.com> Subject: Re: mixer schematics Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:59:58 -0800 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QrwvJ2.0.Rj4.NWTJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wonder if someone on the list or even Kim might know how to tie all of the below together... Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 19:32 Subject: Re: mixer schematics > looks good > but no aux > ive found tons of DYI mixers > but ive yet to come across one with aux > > thanks > > rodrigo > > > I've found something simple at > > http://hem.fyristorg.com/effects/mixer_r.gif - it's a single-channel to L/R > > that purports to be able to be added to other duplicate units. I'm curious > > as to what kind of SN ratio this would have...! > > > > Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! > > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html > > > > > can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? > > > i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer > > > but no auxs > > > im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 23:35:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26983; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:35:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:35:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012601bf4133$30a7bce0$7d5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207215249.007b3300@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: DIY literature/schematics, etc. Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:17:45 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"hOhx52.0.8G5.sfTJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.eden.com/~keen/newschems.htm Try here... good luck! julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:52 AM Subject: DIY literature/schematics, etc. > Besides the Craig Anderton stuff, can anyone recommend any good books about > construction of simple, useful circuits (yer basic mixers, splitters, > preamps, impedance matchers, A/B's, power supplies, etc.)? > > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 23:40:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28313; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:40:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:40:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:26:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... In-Reply-To: <384CD9B3.FA496B64@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ef-u2.0.gt5.jqTJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:56 AM 12/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >"what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my >feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" > >have you heard about the up-coming shakti tour? > >jimmy george no!!! very cool...please enlighten us with a link or other info!!! i saw them in may?? inNYC - transcendent show.. amazing with live "looping"on the tablas.... thanx,andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 23:38:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28048; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:38:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:38:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991207232439.0093f3f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:24:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: PMC-10 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991207031610.00940270@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5Og6K1.0.Gi5.BpTJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 01:34 AM 12/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >yep, it's absolutely diabolical. Completely infested with the dread midi >scourge. Not useless tho. > >kim >(funny, "The Thing that Should Not Be" is playing as I write. >:-) ha heh he cool.. would that be the Primus version...if ya havent heard it - it's very cool...> and - to add to the weirdness.. i listend to the entire master of puppets YESTERDAY.. for the first time in YEARS.... weird..very weird... *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 7 23:51:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31254; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:51:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:51:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701bf4130$b356a960$be22dacf@stepheng> References: <0.9bc53bef.257f2b5c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:34:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: mixer schematics Resent-Message-ID: <"SD3xZ1.0.iV6.I-TJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've finally put together a feedback matrix mixer schematic and sent it to our list friend rodrigo, a 6X6 mono job. In time it will get onto my website, but if anyone else is interested I'll email them the jpeg, which is not small (325k) but prints nicely to laser.... David Myers >I wonder if someone on the list or even Kim might know how to tie all of the >below together... > >Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 19:32 >Subject: Re: mixer schematics > > >> looks good >> but no aux >> ive found tons of DYI mixers >> but ive yet to come across one with aux >> >> thanks >> >> rodrigo >> >> > I've found something simple at >> > http://hem.fyristorg.com/effects/mixer_r.gif - it's a single-channel to >L/R >> > that purports to be able to be added to other duplicate units. I'm >curious >> > as to what kind of SN ratio this would have...! >> > >> > Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! >> > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html >> > >> > > can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? >> > > i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer >> > > but no auxs >> > > im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin >> > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 00:51:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18578; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:51:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384DED9D.F8047BE@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:33:17 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shorter looping times [was Re: Tim Reynolds] References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ygFpW3.0.SU3.dtUJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've used a PDS 2700 double play pedal since 1993 or so. it is a 1 sec hold + chorus. hence the name double play! this little green stomp box has been wonderful. i use it in conjunction with my 2101 processor and it's various looping function with the boomerang and johnson M- 150 amp. manually twisting the delay time knob on the greeny makes for some wicked little sounds. to hit the hold button captures these weird little moments and can then be moved over to the rang. i am also excited to purchase the new DL4. i am currently looking for the 2 sec. model also by digitech. it is in a blue housing. there is something innately romantic in using these early pioneer loop / hold pedals. almost sold my greeny once but glad i kept it. peace jimmy george Tim Nelson wrote: > I find my Korg SDD-1000 (2048 ms max) quite useful for short loops in my > mixer's aux 2, with footswitches for hold and bypass. (Aux 1 is the Headrush). > > One thing I like to do with the Korg when it's got a good loop going is to > send it to the other looper to overdub onto a longer loop, freeing up the > SDD-1000 for a new short loop or for duty as a non-looping delay. This is > nothing new to EDP users with your Multiply function, and there's a lot > less control my way, but it does the trick. It generally works better when > one of the loopers is handling a more rhythmic part and the other is a > texture-type thing, since they're non-synchronous. Using the two > independently is a little more forgiving in lieu of a genuine UNDO. (OK, > I'll admit it! I wish I had a maxed EDP!) > > I also have a DD-3 on the floor, but find it a lot more appropriate to use > it as a regular delay than trying to do the one-footed tap dance to hold. > What I used to do with the DD-3 involved an L-screw (I'm not sure what it's > really called; it looks like an allen wrench with a threaded > point...)screwed down into my pedalboard next to the DD-3. While holding > the pedal down, a quarter turn of the L-screw latches the DD-3 into hold > mode so you don't have to keep your foot on it. The downside is you've got > to unlatch it to make it stop. The Korg's a lot easier. > > Anyone else using short loopers either by themselves or in conjunction with > longer ones? > > Tim (not that one...) > > At 05:34 PM 12/7/99 -0700, you wrote: > >At 05:59 PM 12/7/99 -0600, X-ray wrote: > >>>>I'm having trouble grasping that Tim does all his looping with a > >>2->>second hold. Is that all he uses? > >> > >>I'm as amazed as you, but yeah that's it. > > > >All I use is a Digitech 3.6 and a Boss DE-200 (1200 ms hold max), hooked > >generally in serial. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 00:39:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15288; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:39:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384DE94C.AC67E348@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:14:52 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4 expression pedals References: <017001bf4113$be308c60$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5Nrz2.0.CW1.McUJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ernie ball baby. jimmy george X-ray wrote: > >he said that any volume pedal with a 10K pot would though--- i assume >you > only need get a cord that has a stereo plug on one end and the >other end > splits into 2 mono phone plugs..(for the input and output jack >on the vol > pedal. > > So which volume pedals out there use a 10K pot??? > > MH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 01:02:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21050; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:02:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:02:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384DF045.8C46F5F2@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:44:37 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HKJBW3.0.u44.E2VJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i recently heard through a friend that john m. was restablish the original shakti. word is they are currently doing some shows. where? i am not sure, but that it's potential is to do a whole international tour. i saw a glimpse of j's guitar in an article briefly stating that they were reuniting. it was one of his electric hollow body's. i am sure his harp guitar from the original days will go with him on tour as well. it is some of my favourite stuff which he plays on. i will continue to find info. please let me know if you come across specifics as well. i will have my DL4 before x-mas i am dancing at the feet of my boomerang for now, all is bliss all is bliss peace jimmy george andre wrote: > At 03:56 AM 12/7/99 -0600, you wrote: > >"what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my > >feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" > > > >have you heard about the up-coming shakti tour? > > > >jimmy george > > no!!! very cool...please enlighten us with a link or other info!!! i saw > them in may?? inNYC - transcendent show.. amazing > > with live "looping"on the tablas.... > > thanx,andre' > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > > Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute > http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 01:33:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27648; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:33:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: CrysCard@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6431e12c.257f5176@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:15:18 EST Subject: Echoplex dilemma To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <"SJEZm1.0.0n5.rUVJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK so I purchased my Echoplex brand spankin' new in Aug 98. Everything has been going great until the other day when I went to play my guitar and my whole sound was low--so I isolated my echoplex--when I played through it my signal was low and had a whispy distortion sound, yet when I recorded a loop-it was clean as a whistle! Even if I turn both the in/out knob all the way up (which I never used to or else my fender would blow me away) it still was not loud =( My warrantee is up and I really do not want to ship it to CA for 4-5 weeks....and no it is not the cord! And it has not been moved for about 1 year.... Any suggestions oh loop gods????????????????? (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Crystalized)))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 01:28:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26579; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:28:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5a2881b8.257f4e8f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:02:55 EST Subject: Re: DIY literature/schematics, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"y6v7-3.0.eC5.NJVJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << can anyone recommend any good books about construction of simple, useful circuits (yer basic mixers, splitters, preamps, impedance matchers, A/B's, power supplies, etc.)? >> "Sound Reinforcement Handbook" written for Yamaha by Gary Davis & Ralph Jones by Hal Leonard Publishing ISBN #: 0-88188-900-8 (a partial loop in that number, yeah? ;-) ) my sound bible, Bill 'hawkeye' Reiter btw: I have the 2nd edition From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 02:43:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08645; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:43:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <384DF045.8C46F5F2@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:14:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... Resent-Message-ID: <"HYfXf1.0.Wo.XKWJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow! is zakir hussain playing with them? do you know their tour schedule? - chris >i recently heard through a friend that john m. was restablish the original >shakti. word is they are currently doing some shows. where? i am not sure, but >that it's potential is to do a whole international tour. i saw a glimpse >of j's >guitar in an article briefly stating that they were reuniting. it was one >of his >electric hollow body's. i am sure his harp guitar from the original days >will go >with him on tour as well. it is some of my favourite stuff which he plays >on. i >will continue to find info. please let me know if you come across specifics as >well. > >i will have my DL4 before x-mas > >i am dancing at the feet of my boomerang for now, all is bliss all is bliss > >peace >jimmy george > >andre wrote: > >> At 03:56 AM 12/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >> >"what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my >> >feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" >> > >> >have you heard about the up-coming shakti tour? >> > >> >jimmy george >> >> no!!! very cool...please enlighten us with a link or other info!!! i saw >> them in may?? inNYC - transcendent show.. amazing >> >> with live "looping"on the tablas.... >> >> thanx,andre' >> *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... >> >> Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute >> http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 02:43:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08643; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:43:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:05:02 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex dilemma In-reply-to: <0.6431e12c.257f5176@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6XiSu2.0.1q.4LWJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >OK so I purchased my Echoplex brand spankin' new in Aug 98. Everything has >been going great until the other day when I went to play my guitar and my >whole sound was low--so I isolated my echoplex--when I played through it my >signal was low and had a whispy distortion sound, yet when I recorded a >loop-it was clean as a whistle! Even if I turn both the in/out knob all the >way up (which I never used to or else my fender would blow me away) it still >was not loud =( My warrantee is up and I really do not want to ship it to >CA for 4-5 weeks....and no it is not the cord! And it has not been moved for >about 1 year.... >Any suggestions oh loop gods????????????????? about the only thing it could be is the Mix pot. Probably a solder joint got cracked or something. Seems like it would be a simple repair. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 03:23:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15876; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:25:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Roland SP808? Resent-Message-ID: <"TCJfe.0.n13.S4XJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I seek advice... I'm looking for a good device to which to download loops from my EDP. I find that I'm frequently in loop making mode rather than song building mode, and I'd like a good way to save the loops as useful future raw material. I've been eyeing the Roland SP808 Groovesampler. Does anyone have anything particularly positive or negative to say about it? Has anyone successfully download loops from their EDP to the SP808 (where downloading could include simply recording)? How easy was it to do so? And since they have one of the best prices I've seen, does anyone have any experience with American Musical Supply? Thank you much. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 03:54:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20918; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:54:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <000701bf4168$58b93440$f06fe18c@stkate.edu> From: "S. Glitsos" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland SP808? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:38:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"XTpeh2.0.GK4.PXXJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > And since they have one of the best prices I've seen, does anyone have any > experience with American Musical Supply? I've only dealt with them briefly to buy an expression pedal, but I must say they were fantastic. Quick, efficient, and they even 2-day shipped the merchandise! stavros From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 05:15:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01986; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:15:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384E27FF.77AB17FC@texas.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 03:45:03 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Goodman , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer schematics References: <0.9bc53bef.257f2b5c@aol.com> <000701bf4130$b356a960$be22dacf@stepheng> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7UIka3.0.xw6.dUYJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com seems to me that you could insert a series of 10k pots as aux's after the 1st gain stage (right after either the 22uf cap or the 1k resistor)& voila - aux send city. each aux send (& maybe return) would need some more gain stages, but you could copy the post fader gain stages from the l & r from this schematic. the question remains - what kinda s/n ratio arer you gonna get from a whole pile of tl5532 op amps? bobdog > > > > I've found something simple at > > > http://hem.fyristorg.com/effects/mixer_r.gif - it's a single-channel to > L/R > > > that purports to be able to be added to other duplicate units. I'm > curious > > > as to what kind of SN ratio this would have...! > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? > > > > i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer > > > > but no auxs > > > > im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 07:48:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28207; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:48:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991208074723.0092f720@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:47:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: JFK's LSD UFO...LIVE Looping on the WEB..tonite - with the Dl4.. In-Reply-To: <384DF045.8C46F5F2@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9i7Sm2.0.fg6.WAbJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all this is VERY loop related.... my duo JFK's LSD UFO is performing tonite in central NJ...Red Bank to be exact... But!! - We will be broadcast live on the web- with a video feed - at http://www.icafenj.com the show is 9pm eastern time... AND- it MAY BE the WORLD PREMIERE of the DL4 "LIVE" on the WEB..i know someone else has some RA posts (which were great by the way...but this will be live) so... hope to 'see' ya at the show. JFK's LSD UFO Wed Dec 8 AND Wed Dec 15 9pm-10:45pm ET! The Internet Cafe 1 W. Front St, Red Bank NJ http://www.icafenj.com 732-842-4503 what do we do..?? Largely improvised guitar, percussion real and virtual,evil guitar-synth,occ.vocals and chants,also looped. Influences are endless, but prominent are Eno,Tangerine Dream, Derek Bailey, Torn, Yes, Micheal Brook, Sonny Sharrock,Bon Lozaga, Hillage/Gong, Crimson/Fripp.... MP3s soon.... thanx for reading so far!!! peace,andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 07:43:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27241; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:43:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991208073926.00931100@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:39:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... In-Reply-To: <384DF045.8C46F5F2@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IGHyV3.0.nN6.33bJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:44 PM 12/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >i recently heard through a friend that john m. was restablish the original >shakti. word is they are currently doing some shows. where? i am not sure, but >that it's potential is to do a whole international tour. i saw a glimpse of j's >guitar in an article briefly stating that they were reuniting. it was one of his hmm..actually this is kinda old news... humbly,i'll submit what i know about it: -they (SHAKTI) have been reunited since 1997 or so..,maybe longer.. -there is a GREAT 1999 double CD out- live from shows from the UK tour 1997.. -a couple things have,or soon will be re-mastered,re-released etc from the 70s.. (handful,shakti,etc) the lineup>>> JM-ELECTRIC guitar,Zakir Hussain-tabla, T.H.Vikku Vinayakram-ghatam, Hariprasad Chaurasia-bansuri they toured a bit in the US in april-june?? i saw the one NYC show.. that's all i know.sorry if the loop-free post has bored anyone. andre' *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 08:23:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02537; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:23:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:23:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991208082032.009319f0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:20:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Shakti..tour info??? In-Reply-To: References: <384DF045.8C46F5F2@jimmygeorgearts.com> <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207232617.009418f0@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6lF4z2.0.wK.cfbJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:14 PM 12/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >wow! is zakir hussain playing with them? do you know their tour schedule? > >- chris www.pollstar.com,always a good starting point for any tour info - small or large. andre east don'tworry folks.. this topic is officialy itself a LOOP... *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 08:34:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04814; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:34:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:34:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384E5B24.DB8F15F4@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:20:36 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 4-track to PC Question.. References: <4.1.19991207134703.009f2f00@pilgrim.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"okg2u1.0.wu.nqbJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Joseph Long schrieb: > > O.k. so I have a simple 4 track setup and I'd like to start to slowly make > the transition to using a PC for recording sound, etc. But heres my first > basic question: > > What do I need (software and hardware) to dump mixed songs to my computer. > Is it as simple as a robust sound card? yes, and some basic audio editor like cooledit or soundforge (pc) will do. better yet is an audiocard like the terratec ews88 with external converters and digital/analog i/o matrix. the advantage to external converters is that you eliminate the possibility of having electromagnetic junk from your computer contaminate your audio signal. later, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 09:16:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13129; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:16:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.337e1a0d.257fc0bb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:10:03 EST Subject: Re: Re: Roland SP808? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"dFn6u3.0.2y2.zRcJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don' t have an EDP. but DID have an 808, which is a fantastic recording/playback/post-processing device, so long as you aren't trying to make it work with foot pedals. It's very easy to dump stereo loops, or whatever, trim them, divvy 'em up by BPMs, layer 'em, mix 'em down....a very innovative product. <<> And since they have one of the best prices I've seen, does anyone have any > experience with American Musical Supply? AMS and J&S Music are my favorite m-o suppliers. Recently got a defective box from AMS, and they shipped me a replacement BEFORE requiring it to be returned...in fact, they mailed me a prepaid UPS will-call ticket at the same time as they UPS'd my replacement! David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 09:19:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13409; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:19:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004a01bf41b8$2d720be0$cbf44cc1@bruce> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <199912071852.NAA26100@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:09:05 -0500 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"n-pJp3.0.Tx2.iRcJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Love the way this thread has moved on to that wonderful Peterson guitar neck--but I wanted to thank you all for feedback re my original question about percussion boxes; it was all very useful. In the end I checked out the ASR-X Pro and ordered one--everything I wanted and so much more that I hadn't imagined I wanted.... And thanks, Drew, for pointing me to your website--great source of links and info! But to pick up the thread now--I've been thinking of going fretless guitar or adding an oud (my local oud store has a nice little model i've been eyeing...) for some time, as I'm always trying to work with inbetween notes. 2 questions i've been wondering about: Do you guitarists/oudists generally adapt guitar tunings and right hand techniques to the oud, or do you go the oud purist route? On a fretless guitar, what happens to tone and sustain when the string is between wood and flesh instead of against metal? Can you make one by simply defretting the guitar and filling the slots with some plasticky material? Any web sources on this? Thanks again, Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 09:43:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18713; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:43:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:43:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.63768c88.257fc644@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:33:40 EST Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"HGH5t3.0.E34.5ocJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I opted for the "oud purist" route---altho there's a couple different "standard" oud tunings (depending on what part of the world you're using as a reference point), if you wanna really learn the instrument and be able to command it and get the full flavor out of it, you should learn to play it according to its' tradition, I believe. Deviate later, after you know the instrument intimately enough to know what you're deviating from. Like anything else, it's an investment of resources, since "there ain't no free lunch". Also, I found it imperative to use a the eagle feather-derived "risha" (nowadays made out of plastic) as opposed to a guitar pick, as the sound difference is notable. I'm all for pushing the envelope and experimentation, but I'm wary of diletantes, as that ends up being self-indulgent all too often, it seems. David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 11:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08979; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:20:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Roland SP808? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.66 Resent-Message-ID: <"wcEnW3.0.uZ1.ULeJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an sp-808n and i love it..usually i record to my 4 track and than dump it down to my sp-808 and chop it up..it is a fantastic underated device that will be much more apperciated in the future...despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine. ( which is totally false i use it for experimental soundwaves and the like) i also have used it in conjuction with my waterphone..i sampled and layered the sounds of the phone to each pad..while i bow i allow the bow to pass thru the d-beam which triggers of loops and the like..a cool device that has many uses..I SAY! \c.white Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Don' t have an EDP. but DID have an 808, which is a fantastic recording/playback/post-processing device, so long as you aren't trying to make it work with foot pedals. It's very easy to dump stereo loops, or whatever, trim them, divvy 'em up by BPMs, layer 'em, mix 'em down....a very innovative product. And since they have one of the best prices I've seen, does anyone have any > experience with American Musical Supply? AMS and J&S Music are my favorite m-o suppliers. Recently got a defective box from AMS, and they shipped me a replacement BEFORE requiring it to be returned...in fact, they mailed me a prepaid UPS will-call ticket at the same time as they UPS'd my replacement! David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 11:52:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13858; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:52:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:52:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:18:59 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, andre@monmouth.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA05925 Resent-Message-ID: <"xFd9v2.0.aU1.qKeJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i KNEW this would happen.....yes miko - i pretty much love MIDI... and use it all the time. I was having a friendly tweaking of Kim..since we have argued re: midi in the past.....all in good fun... > suffice to say - you were had by my "sarcastic wit!!!" Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrghhhh! Dot! Foiled again Batman... Bestest! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 12:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23326; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:34:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991208165417.15531.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: 4-track to PC Question.. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2mUcj1.0.vc4.T8fJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, SBlive platinum, www.buy.com $153.00, comes with adequate versions of soundforge and cakewalk. Has breakout box that mounts in a drive bay. Has digital i/o, 1/4 input w/ gain control. Believe it also has mp3 conversion software. Pretty decent pkg. My untrained ears are happy w/ the sound quality. I run my guitar through a mxp100 digital out to the platinum. Randy Jones --- Cummings wrote: > Joseph Long schrieb: > > > > O.k. so I have a simple 4 track setup and I'd > like to start to slowly make > > the transition to using a PC for recording > sound, etc. But heres my first > > basic question: > > > > What do I need (software and hardware) to > dump mixed songs to my computer. > > Is it as simple as a robust sound card? > > yes, and some basic audio editor like cooledit > or soundforge (pc) will > do. > > better yet is an audiocard like the terratec > ews88 with external > converters and digital/analog i/o matrix. the > advantage to external > converters is that you eliminate the > possibility of having > electromagnetic junk from your computer > contaminate your audio signal. > > later, > rob > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 12:59:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28661; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:59:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:44:51 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer schematics Resent-Message-ID: <"03Kp02.0.cI6.AbfJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi David... I'd love to have a copy of it. Thanks for making it available! Best, -Miko >>> David Myers 12/07 8:48 PM >>> I've finally put together a feedback matrix mixer schematic and sent it to our list friend rodrigo, a 6X6 mono job. In time it will get onto my website, but if anyone else is interested I'll email them the jpeg, which is not small (325k) but prints nicely to laser.... David Myers >I wonder if someone on the list or even Kim might know how to tie all of the >below together... > >Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! >EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 19:32 >Subject: Re: mixer schematics > > >> looks good >> but no aux >> ive found tons of DYI mixers >> but ive yet to come across one with aux >> >> thanks >> >> rodrigo >> >> > I've found something simple at >> > http://hem.fyristorg.com/effects/mixer_r.gif - it's a single-channel to >L/R >> > that purports to be able to be added to other duplicate units. I'm >curious >> > as to what kind of SN ratio this would have...! >> > >> > Stephen Goodman * It's the free Loop Of The Week! >> > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios.html >> > >> > > can anybody point me to a simple mixer schematic on the web? >> > > i have the anderton book that has an 8-1 mixer >> > > but no auxs >> > > im looking for 5-1(with 5 aux)for feedbackgin >> > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 13:12:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31881; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:47:57 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com Subject: Re: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... Resent-Message-ID: <"HT4AM.0.Ga6.wefJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Jimmy George 12/07 10:00 PM >>> i recently heard through a friend that john m. was restablish the original shakti. The Anil Prasad "Innerviews" site has recent Shakti and Zakir Hussein interviews listed. http://www.innerviews.org/ -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 14:49:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21733; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:49:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384EB33A.706AD3A8@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:36:33 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shorter looping times [oscillations?] References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9K0pc.0.AN4.y7hJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Anyone else using short loopers either by themselves or in conjunction with > longer ones? well, i use both a dd3 and dd5 (among other things) into an edp; what i typically use the boss units for is delay rather than looping (although i used them extensively for looping before i got the edp); but this thread brings to mind an interesting quality with these more *primitive* devices. namely, the ability to self-oscillate at certain feedback settings. i recently had the dd3 (which is stupidly easy to make oscillate) running into the dd5; settings thus: dd3 level: max f.back: 1 o'clock or? (just into self-oscillation but held back so as to remain controlled) d.time: variable mode: variable dd5 level: max f.back: max d.time: variable (this is the basic controlling variable; if feedback gets too intense, shift the frequencies elsewhere) mode: 1 this was actually the first time i've gotten the dd5 to self-oscillate (it's always seemed a more tailored box in my experience); i merely plucked a string on my guitar to get a signal into the dd3, then put the guitar down and basically fiddled with the delay times for 2 hours (all the while layering on the edp). scared myself silly! lance g. minor caveat: be cautious at first, as extreme feedback frequencies are speaker-melting at volume (and volume can jump quite dramatically!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 15:20:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28872; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:20:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8bce7597.25801211@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:57:05 EST Subject: Re: Shakti..."loopy" tablas... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Resent-Message-ID: <"3Q2CM.0.ip5.EXhJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Actually, when I saw them here in St.Louis, Hariprasad Chaurasia was not with them. Instead U. Srivinas was playing mandolin with them. Unreal show. In fact, I think that while most people came to see John M., he was the one working hardest to keep up. Zakir Hussain is a god. Not only can he play at ridiculous levels of virtuosity, he is very laid back and approachable, and tries his best to entertain his audience. Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 16:48:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16225; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:48:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf41c3$590e49c0$4f6fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: , References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> <384EB33A.706AD3A8@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: shorter looping times [oscillations?] Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:29:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"lOZo71.0.xK3.I-iJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what do you mean by "self-oscillate"???? postaldave@qx.net ", the ability toself-oscillate at certain feedback settings. i recently had the dd3 (which is stupidly easy to make oscillate) running into the dd5; settings thus: dd3 level: max f.back: 1 o'clock or? (just into self-oscillation but held back so as to remain controlled) d.time: variable mode: variable" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 16:51:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16705; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:51:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: nels cline / hidden treasures Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.c07c19fc.257d63e3@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"T4JwK3.0.aQ3.I1jJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The 2 Movie soundtracks were "landscapes ambience" in most parts but there were structured songs with jazz-punk colors also. I don't think they are available in CD's or that I don't know of any releases in just the movie soundtracks themselves, as "Hard Drive" was direct to Video and Welcome, Said the Angel was a foreign film (French). Check out your local Blockbuster or Video rental. I'm confident you'll find both without difficulty. I'm sorry I can't describe in more details but it will be worth the rental just to hear how he scores the "incidental" music through out the movies. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Gamine70@aol.com [mailto:Gamine70@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 11:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: nels cline / hidden treasures Could you tell me what the music sounds like on these releases I guess this is actually a rather vague request. What's the instrumentation like and how do the pieces compare to his other compositions. Were these soundtracks ever released as cds or vinyl? I'm very curious as to how nels dealt with scoring a movie. any info would be great. matt > For those who seek more less known but brilliant works, > check out: > > Hard Drive (movie soundtrack, circa 1993) > Welcome, Said the Angel (also a movie soundtrack, French) > > > I think they are both available in your local video store. > > Curbie From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 17:51:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30354; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:51:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:51:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991208154125.00a36e10@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:41:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: shorter looping times [oscillations?] In-Reply-To: <000801bf41c3$590e49c0$4f6fc8d0@computer> References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> <384EB33A.706AD3A8@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gDcX6.0.Ou6.pyjJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:29 PM 12/8/99 -0500, postaldave wrote: >what do you mean by "self-oscillate"???? postaldave@qx.net It's what occurs when the delay unit starts feeding back on itself, generating new patterns of sound. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 17:53:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30601; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19991208154021.00a2e580@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:41:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Digitech RDS questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991207200559.007a6b70@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6gn7W2.0.vs6.JyjJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:05 PM 12/7/99 -0800, Scott A. Martin wrote: >>Yes, quite frequently. I can provide sound samples if you'd like; they >>range anywhere from "oooh, I'm on nitrous" to "who thought that was a good >>idea" to "exactly what did you do that signal path', particularly if you >>run a couple delay units with that era LFO together. > >Great! Please put 'em up! Will do after the weekend; I'll record a few samples specifically to highlight the RDS's functions. >I'm quite intrigued by the samples on your music page, BTW. More pagan music! Glad to see you survived the experience. :) == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 18:03:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00380; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:03:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:03:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384EDEEA.197F@casema.net> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:42:50 +0100 From: bert Reply-To: beret@casema.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland MS-1 (Yup) References: <19991204022049.63995.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"migS32.0.Bj7._8kJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yeah I know a thing you should'nt do: experimenting with all sorts of flashcards. I WAS a proud owner of 1 for 2 weeks. Then I found someone on the internet with flahsram. Visited the man: ms-1 replies: wrong card. "-Wait" said the man: "have some more of these". fiddled some with these thingies -"oops a modem", "wait, here this one probably", etc.- and suddenly: MS-1 dead. Could'nt even get it into boot mode. Diagnosis from serviceman: replacement of rom-bios necessary, which is equivalent to replacement of the litlle mainboard inside. costs: more then I paid for the little piece of gear (2nd hand). just a warning ;-). beret. > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: jpw77@together.net > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Roland MS-1 > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:17:45 +0000 > > Does anyone have any experience using the Roland MS-1 sampler > with a Flashdisk memory card? > > Jon Williams > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: > > I am a PROUD owner of this unit, with the 4MB flash card... wha cha wanna > know ? > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 17:58:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31806; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:58:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912082251.RAA30366@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:22:13 +0530 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #495 From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"scUvh.0.kQ7.94kJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Luis, you'll find Glen's site here : http://www.organicdesign.org/peterson/homepage.html The guitar in question is at : http://www.organicdesign.org/peterson/customers/catler_ji.html You could poke around my site & find some interesting info : http://microtonal.lookscool.com - drew >> Glen Peterson is one awesome luthier. This has to be the most incredible >> fretting EVER done. Unbelievable ! Well, y'all know whom to call if you >> need some excellent guitar work done. > > > Hi Drew, > What guitar are you talking about? could you send me some links or the > adress from this guitar builder it sounds interesting! > Thanks > L.A. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 18:16:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03902; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:16:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991208150512.00a91860@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:10:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 $200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991207205053.00837b00@mindspring.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19991204125208.007bc400@pop.mindspring.com> <0.74a92e27.25776e30@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Z0xyD.0.Cc.YMkJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O.k. I just took the plunge and bought one online from Sam Ash. @ $199.99 I'm fired up and can't wait to get it,........ At 08:50 PM 12/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >I don't wish to be an enabler to any but thems that musts, but: > >http://www.samash.com/shopping.htm > >$199.99 > >I reckon that's about the best listed price out there, for now...BTW, thems >thats gots PODs can use the POD adapter. I noticed that Slam Ass didn't >have one listed at their site, and this thing eats batteries. > >Hasta -> Rico >******************************************************** >* Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * >******************************************************** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 18:07:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01415; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:07:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <384E62B9.40567CAC@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:52:57 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: anyone looping 2 or more personal computers? References: <19991207182435.75537.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rhGy91.0.Bo7.JBkJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SoundRaider chews up yer *.wav files and spits them out in random order. an idea could be to put the same set of files on all of the computers ... a more complicated solution could be the midi programming environment "keykit" (pc). i've used this software a little bit and it's quite, let's say, unique. it can also be a little frustrating though. keykit download site: this reminds of a canadian composer whose written a work for networked computers and dot matrix computers. i've forgotten his name but a review of a live performance in austria (?) in the wire was positive. later, rob Matt Rowe schrieb: > > > > >There used to be a shareware called (I think) Parrot, which recorded > >snippets from a Mac's mic input > >and then played them back at random through the internal speaker. I used to > >have a dozen old > >Macs and considered setting up installation using them all running this > >program, within earshot of each other. > > the thought of this makes my day. does anyone here have the know-how on how > create such a program together for PC? > > matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 18:28:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06513; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:28:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:28:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991208151812.00a8d690@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:22:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: Re: Roland SP808? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"aX8jW.0.hH1.9YkJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've purchased many things from AMS. I think there prices are good and Iv'e never had any problems with them. All orders have come in a timely manner, well packaged, itemized receipts (for tax purposes), and they usually have the items in stock. They are open like 7x24 or something too. All in all,..I find them a convenient resource to get things when I *know* I want. -Joe At 11:25 PM 12/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >I seek advice... > >I'm looking for a good device to which to download loops from my EDP. I >find that I'm frequently in loop making mode rather than song building >mode, and I'd like a good way to save the loops as useful future raw >material. > >I've been eyeing the Roland SP808 Groovesampler. > >Does anyone have anything particularly positive or negative to say about >it? Has anyone successfully download loops from their EDP to the SP808 >(where downloading could include simply recording)? How easy was it to do >so? > >And since they have one of the best prices I've seen, does anyone have any >experience with American Musical Supply? > >Thank you much. >Mark > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 22:47:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31904; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:47:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6bcf33d5.25806bda@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:20:10 EST Subject: EH random tone generator? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"vjY6R2.0.uU3.59nJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anybody know where i could find a schematic for this hard to find item(i cant even find a pic of it on the net) or at least, what sort of technology it uses to create random tones(in fact, how random is it?) thanks rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:35:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10130; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:35:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384F3007.78D6D1DB@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:28:55 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UM96E1.0.992.__oJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > > > > Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > > Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the > apostrophe doesn't belong there. > > For example: > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > Would it sound right to say: > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > Apparently not. > > Further, this should be written thus: > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > > > > > Thank you. I just had to say something about it. I wish I had a $100 for every time I got email like this from the net... -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:24:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07578; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:24:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:24:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: It's and Its Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:01:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"bgbCP3.0.yr5.CsnJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the apostrophe doesn't belong there. For example: despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. Would it sound right to say: despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. Apparently not. Further, this should be written thus: despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... Thank you. I just had to say something about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:29:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08899; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:29:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384F2CF1.930958C2@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 23:15:45 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality References: <199912071852.NAA26100@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <004a01bf41b8$2d720be0$cbf44cc1@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cjxOP.0.5W1.-poJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bruce Comens wrote: > But to pick up the thread now--I've been thinking of going fretless guitar > or adding an oud (my local oud store has a nice little model i've been > eyeing...) for some time, as I'm always trying to work with inbetween notes. > > 2 questions i've been wondering about: > > Do you guitarists/oudists generally adapt guitar tunings and right hand > techniques to the oud, or do you go the oud purist route? The guy I play with travels the purist route. When I tried it, I used my guitar technique. I have no other and it's a little strange holding my hand at a 90 degree angle. If I actually owned an oud, I might change. When I was looping in my pre-microtonal knowledgeable days, I was heavily into the in-between notes. I would sustain a note on the guitar and after a couple of repeats, I would bend the note a bit, maybe behind the nut if it was an open string. I used to call it real time chorusing. Little I did know there was a science to it... > On a fretless guitar, what happens to tone and sustain when the string is > between wood and flesh instead of against metal? Can you make one by > simply defretting the guitar and filling the slots with some plasticky > material? Any web sources on this? I'll tell you about my friend Jon's guitars and maybe shed a little light on your questions. His old microtonal guitar had interchangeable fretboards. In the middle of a performance he would swap out the microtonal fretboard [different than the one we use now] and slide in the fretless one. Turn around and yo! new guitar! He had to use his fretting hand fingernail to play the high strings to get sustain. Indian musicans do this on the sarangi. This is typically the problem with fretless guitars - lack of sustain. This guitar has a stainless steel fretboard like a sarod. He has other interchangeable fret boards like a quarter tone - 24 frets to the octave. On his newer G&L, I guess he got it about 2 years ago, the luther (let's call him Satan. he hung on to my guitar for 13 months, didn't return phone calls, and didn't even do the work! we eventually found Glen Peterson with in weeks of getting our guitars back from Satan in June) used a product called 3 Ton Epoxy on the fretboard. It looks like a plastic fretboard and sustains real fine. I played it once before I could really play a fretless instrument and the tone was real nice. Jon doesn't have to use the fingernail with this guitar. In fact, unless things have changed, than Pat Metheny and I are the only ones to play that guitar other than Jon (ex-student, ran into ex-teacher at rehearsal studio in NYC). Pat won a Grammy for his fretless classical guitar solo on Imaginary Day. I never met the guy although I admire his work greatly. Jaco used boat epoxy on his bass. I tried an early Fender Custom Shop model at the local Sam Yak and the epoxy was nowhere as thick as the epoxy on Jon's guitar. I guess you could just pull frets and fill in the empty space with plastic wood but the epoxy finished fretboard makes a hell of lot of difference. Jon's web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~freenote/ BTW: besides having his own recordings, he played on bassist Hansford Rowe's (ex-Gong) new recording No Other. And of course him and his brother played on *Father-of-Minimalism* La Monte Youngs out of print Forever Bad Blues Band - Just Stompin' (Gramavision) -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:30:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08976; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:30:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6d7417ee.258081fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:54:35 EST Subject: Re: EH random tone generator? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"YPPeX.0.BM.IXoJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...3ms pedals... try this. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:46:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12825; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:46:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912090442.XAA31702@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:43:49 -0400 Subject: Re: It's and Its From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UKskX1.0.nw2.MDpJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Javier, I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being to careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its it's it is so bad. c.white ---------- >From: "Javier Miranda V." >To: >Subject: It's and Its >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM > > > > >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the >apostrophe doesn't belong there. > >For example: > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > >Would it sound right to say: > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > >Apparently not. > >Further, this should be written thus: > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > > > > >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 21:27:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15498; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:27:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:27:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1267417517==_============" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:02:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: mixer schematics Resent-Message-ID: <"b6UyV.0.pd2.humJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1267417517==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here you go, Miko... >Hi David... 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rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2008c1ac.25808ffe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:54:22 EST Subject: Re: It's and Its To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"XlbX13.0.oe3.zOpJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's an anal retentive thing, methinks.... ;-) Bill 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 8 23:37:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11056; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d6d1ed65.25808af6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:32:54 EST Subject: Re: EH random tone generator? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"fbiCY3.0.PR2.w4pJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i love their stuff im building one of them now(the soundshimmer series twiwave picogenerator) and im hvaing one from the collective build me a noiseswash pedal outrageous stuff but not quite random rodrigo > ...3ms pedals... try this. > A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 00:49:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31971; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:49:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00e201bf4209$0aa09c20$8d5bdfc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <199912090442.XAA31702@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: It's and Its Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:48:33 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"0gAJi3.0.OU7.t4qJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neurosis? : ) julio ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher White To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: Re: It's and Its > Javier, > > I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being to > careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary > that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my > email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver > tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its > it's it is so bad. > c.white > ---------- > >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >To: > >Subject: It's and Its > >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > > > >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the > >apostrophe doesn't belong there. > > > >For example: > > > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Would it sound right to say: > > > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Apparently not. > > > >Further, this should be written thus: > > > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 02:12:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15727; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:12:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:12:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384F5444.4482D8B9@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 01:03:32 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: <199912090442.XAA31702@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ftE7w2.0.IQ3.sHrJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am sorry that was me that you actually bow to. I supppose one arm actually took your massive fingers of gold and I supppose I find it a bit scary. I have sinned with your silver tongue and your typing fingers of apostrophes. SINNED! c.white Christopher White wrote: > Javier, > > I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being to > careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary > that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my > email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver > tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its > it's it is so bad. > c.white > ---------- > >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >To: > >Subject: It's and Its > >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > > > >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the > >apostrophe doesn't belong there. > > > >For example: > > > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Would it sound right to say: > > > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Apparently not. > > > >Further, this should be written thus: > > > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 02:00:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13257; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:00:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:00:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384F514A.E99D2D02@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 00:50:51 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_l2uq1.0.Zu2.y5rJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 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I just had to say something about it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 02:50:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22503; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 02:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:35:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: It's and Its Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"K7WKp2.0.Mv4.BmrJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like the way Dave Barry put it: an apostrophe does not mean, "Look out, here comes an S!!!" Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 04:44:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09410; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:44:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:44:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991209082150.12642.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:21:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: It's and Its To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"jlCxI3.0.Z42.fYtJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thiz cud awl bee avioded iv peeple wud uze they're spel chekerz! jhon --- "Javier Miranda V." wrote: > > > > Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong > almost everytime? > > Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" > for "it's," then the > apostrophe doesn't belong there. > > For example: > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated > machine.. > > Would it sound right to say: > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated > machine.. > > Apparently not. > > Further, this should be written thus: > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented > machine... > > > > > Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 07:05:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00560; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:05:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991209064236.007a8100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 06:42:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: It's and Its In-Reply-To: <384F514A.E99D2D02@jimmygeorgearts.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"gZg5A2.0.OE7.TNvJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, there's a nice 12K for the digest... At 12:50 AM 12/9/99 -0600, you wrote: >itsitsits.... etc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 07:08:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01397; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:08:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912091204.HAA03602@fb02.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:05:42 -0400 Subject: Re: It's and Its From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZWTIg2.0.27.XhvJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com haahha now we are silly for sure! ---------- >From: Jimmy George >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: It's and Its >Date: Thu, Dec 9, 1999, 3:03 AM > >I am sorry that was me that you actually bow to. I supppose one arm actually >took >your massive fingers of gold and I supppose I find it a bit scary. I have >sinned with >your silver tongue and your typing fingers of apostrophes. SINNED! >c.white > >Christopher White wrote: > >> Javier, >> >> I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being to >> careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary >> that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my >> email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver >> tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its >> it's it is so bad. >> c.white >> ---------- >> >From: "Javier Miranda V." >> >To: >> >Subject: It's and Its >> >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? >> > >> >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the >> >apostrophe doesn't belong there. >> > >> >For example: >> > >> > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. >> > >> >Would it sound right to say: >> > >> > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. >> > >> >Apparently not. >> > >> >Further, this should be written thus: >> > >> > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 07:19:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03166; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:19:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:19:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991209071253.007b06c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:12:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality In-Reply-To: <384F2CF1.930958C2@virtulink.com> References: <199912071852.NAA26100@rosy.yourwebhost.com> <004a01bf41b8$2d720be0$cbf44cc1@bruce> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wWIq5.0.DY.qpvJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:15 PM 12/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >> Do you guitarists/oudists generally adapt guitar tunings and right hand >> techniques to the oud, or do you go the oud purist route? Some of you into the oud/microtonal guitar thing might be interested in the cumbus (pronounced "joombush"). It's ("its", Javier) an unusual Turkish instrument that combines an oud, a banjo, a 12-string guitar, a formica countertop (the fretless fingerboard), and an aluminum cooking pan (the body) into one strange package. In the early part of the century, the cumbus all but replaced the oud in certain settings in Turkish music (mostly in noisier places like bars and chai gardens; the oud remained the instrument of choice for more traditional settings...) due to the advantages in volume and projection, and also to its ("it's", Javier) more durable construction. My cumbus is pretty beat up, having lost a couple of its ("it's", Javier) tuners, but it's ("its", Javier) still fun to play. The instrument is still made, and is available in models simulating the scale length, string configuration fretted/fretlessness and tuning of several instruments including saz, oud, guitar and (I think) mandolin. Oh, and you can loop it... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 08:33:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17391; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:33:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:33:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384FAE01.55C3E910@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:26:25 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: <199912091204.HAA03602@fb02.eng00.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M0KQk1.0.Uw3.BvwJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes we are ... Christopher White wrote: > haahha now we are silly for sure! > ---------- > >From: Jimmy George > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: It's and Its > >Date: Thu, Dec 9, 1999, 3:03 AM > > > > >I am sorry that was me that you actually bow to. I supppose one arm actually > >took > >your massive fingers of gold and I supppose I find it a bit scary. I have > >sinned with > >your silver tongue and your typing fingers of apostrophes. SINNED! > >c.white > > > >Christopher White wrote: > > > >> Javier, > >> > >> I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being to > >> careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary > >> that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my > >> email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver > >> tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its > >> it's it is so bad. > >> c.white > >> ---------- > >> >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >> >To: > >> >Subject: It's and Its > >> >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > >> > > >> >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the > >> >apostrophe doesn't belong there. > >> > > >> >For example: > >> > > >> > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > >> > > >> >Would it sound right to say: > >> > > >> > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > >> > > >> >Apparently not. > >> > > >> >Further, this should be written thus: > >> > > >> > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 08:36:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18229; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:36:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:36:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384FAD46.75AEA438@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:23:18 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: <3.0.5.32.19991209064236.007a8100@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"87Nu4.0._r3.GswJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a bit new at the game here. please inform me on what the 'digest' is. got a letter from kim as well. he was pissed. i thought i was being funny. can't imagine little ol' me bringing your 'digest' to a halt. please inform me of the rules here so i don't repeat this mistake elsewhere. when you all were scrapping earlier this month as to what was appropriate and what was not appropriate about subject matter ect. i almost wittily posted my newest play, 'Benny's God' in long form. me thinking that would be funny apparently would have melted the empire down. glad i chose not to. i don't respond too often, mostly i watch and read. i've asked occasional questions and have sent a few, hopefully, helpful notes back on topic. i am a career working musician of 14 years. i'll be 33 dec. 13th. still learning all the time. again, please send me the rules and also explain the 'digest'. excuse my not knowing these things if you will. no hard feelings. peace my looper fiends, peace ... jimmy george if you want here is one of my new little url's. http://ww3.bigjam.com/home.htm after the front page loads in, hit 'bands' on the left. move your mouse to the middle and as the names load in hit, jimmy george. on my page at the bottom hit odysseys in black. you will hear this composition which has some of my triggered looping on guitar. they might have a web cast of mine archived from this page as well. this may personalize me a bit more to you. my main site, www.jimmygeorgearts.com is currently having problems, once up again you may hear my whole album, 'my favourite animal, if you wish. also i have a new full length disk, 'more words that make it hard to sleep', a double live disk, 'live from lizard central' and three live performance videos we filmed on dvd opening for; santana at the dallas starplex aug. 1, tom petty also at the dallas starplex sept. 16th, and the 'nixons' at lucy's retired surfers bar oct. 22, that will all be released and available by late january. loop on fiends, loop on ... jimmy george Tim Nelson wrote: > Well, there's a nice 12K for the digest... > > At 12:50 AM 12/9/99 -0600, you wrote: > >itsitsits.... etc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 09:15:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26606; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:15:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.19991209065552.00a542b0@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:01:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: RDS samples [was Re: Digitech RDS questions] In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991207200559.007a6b70@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ixjdJ1.0.r46.GTxJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 08:05 PM 12/7/99 -0800, Scott A. Martin said: >>> The online manual says that "in longer delay times...the LFO will make >>>sounds that are not normally useful in music," so I know y'all must have >>>tried it. =) >> >>Yes, quite frequently. I can provide sound samples if you'd like; they >>range anywhere from "oooh, I'm on nitrous" to "who thought that was a good >>idea" to "exactly what did you do that signal path', particularly if you >>run a couple delay units with that era LFO together. > >Great! Please put 'em up! Here's two examples. The first is relatively boring; I threw a quick nasty loop into my RDS 3.6 and hit hold. I walk through the various non-destructive permutations of the LFO (there are quite a few sounds; I just go for "representative") in relation to the loop. Sound file: http://www.realm-of-shade.com/temp/rds-36-sample-lfo-loop.mp3 (2.1 mb) The second is what you can do with other 80s el-cheapo rack units in conjunction with one of the RDS delays. For this example, I used my trusty ebow into my Fender Deluxe 112's distortion channel, with a Boss DE-200 rack delay running serial into an RDS 3.6 and out again. At times, I loop both units and layer on top with the ebow, and with a little effort, some amusing live sounds can be gotten for a very low price. Sound file: http://www.realm-of-shade.com/temp/rds36-de-200-ebow-distortion.mp3 (3.5 mb) Hope that helps you out. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 09:04:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24133; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:04:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:04:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:56:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Oh Jeez Resent-Message-ID: <"GX0tW3.0.AT5.ZJxJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cripes, sorry everyone. In my haste I thought I was sending the jpeg to Miko only. I know it's a real no-no and will be more careful in the future.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:09:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06987; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:09:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003101bf4255$d4296800$1f96adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: Oh Jeez Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:58:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QprMD3.0.Ip.KCyJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:20 AM Subject: Oh Jeez >Cripes, sorry everyone. In my haste I thought I was sending the jpeg to >Miko only. yipes--accidentally posted to the whole list--can't imagine doing that ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:18:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08496; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:18:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:18:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <053501bf4256$c6ab02a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Hello, Jon Grant? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:05:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Sb3bO.0.OS1.QMyJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Grant, are you there? The e-mail address I have for you tianmus@aracnet.net ) is out-dated. Please reply. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06306; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:08:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384FC083.78F1FA90@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:45:23 +0100 From: Stephen Parsick Organization: Ruhr Universität Bochum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "The fascinating Echoplex echochamber" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yci_G.0.dT.k5yJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I recently purchased an old tape-based Echoplex, judging from the info I´ve gathered so far it´s the EP-3 type with Sound-on-Sound (the unit Jimmy Page has been using until recently). One thing that puzzled me a bit was the fact that it wasn´t labelled as a MAESTRO product but there´s a metal badge on the box that just says "Echoplex", and inside the lid (and on the box of the spare cartridge) they refer to a firm called Market Electronics, located somewhere in Illinois. Can anybody tell me why this Echoplex is not a Maestro EP-3, but an entirely different product altogether? Oh, and by the way, it´s a 220V AC model which has been imported to Germany officially, it´s not an American 110V DC unit that needs a line voltage converter. Can anybody on this list help me out with some further info? Thanks in advance, regards, Stephen. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:40:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14285; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:40:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c3e5a293.25812119@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:13:29 EST Subject: Re: It's and Its To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wemjb3.0.Yx1.NTyJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The rules are simple, don't play the game. Let them be self righteouse in their electronic worlds. Let them discuss scotch and pitbulls. But don't you dare have a sense of humor about anything, because that most of all, would be off-topic. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:47:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16046; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:47:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:47:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:32:53 -0500 From: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: Block large files Sender: Bill Monk <72267.2124@compuserve.com> To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-ID: <199912091036_MC2-906C-4211@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"cbMkc1.0.r83.aoyJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kim - Isn't there some way to set this list to reject large files, as in digest #498? That would be a fantastic benefit, IMO. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 10:49:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16401; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:49:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:49:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5bcd4a9f.258126da@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:38:02 EST Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"MrYyZ.0.9G3.RqyJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah, Tim, that's right on, and they're relatively cheap. Lark in the Morning sells them for $175.00. I recently bought one elsewhere(in fact, I have a gig tonight w/ a traditional Persian group where I'll use it), and so far have keep it tuned like I tune my oud (C-G-A-D-G-C) so I don't have to think about more fingering positions (I also play saz and guitar on the gig). They're indeed bloody loud and cut right thru any other clatter. And they're fun to record w/ as well --- David Burk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 11:17:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23349; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:17:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:17:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: It's and Its Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:52:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <384F5444.4482D8B9@jimmygeorgearts.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ji5fm3.0.eo4.D9zJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, that was good, dude. Kind of stream-of-consciousness reconstruction. I bet you write some mean poetry. | -----Original Message----- | From: Jimmy George [mailto:jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com] | Sent: Wednesday 08 December 1999 11:04 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: It's and Its | | | I am sorry that was me that you actually bow to. I supppose one | arm actually | took | your massive fingers of gold and I supppose I find it a bit | scary. I have | sinned with | your silver tongue and your typing fingers of apostrophes. SINNED! | c.white | | Christopher White wrote: | | > Javier, | > | > I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm | and not being to... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 11:33:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26833; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:33:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EH random tone generator? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:52:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0.6bcf33d5.25806bda@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"CAlqS2.0.hn4.49zJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a little box the size of a Small Stone. It features only one knob for the speed of the random tones. This is a true looping device, now that you mention it, because the tones are not random at all. They consist of a long sequence of apparently keyless tones which repeats over and over again. After a while I found it rather boring. It's cool in the background, low volume, with lots of echo, maybe a flanger, maybe fade it in and out. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kriist@aol.com [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] | Sent: Wednesday 08 December 1999 6:20 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: EH random tone generator? | | | does anybody know where i could find a schematic for this hard | to find item(i | cant even find a pic of it on the net) | or at least, what sort of technology it uses to create random | tones(in fact, | how random is it?) | | thanks | | rodrigo | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 12:47:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10732; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:47:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005701bf426a$afd37260$9f0a0118@lakwod1.co.home.com> From: "Russell" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19991209064236.007a8100@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: It's and Its Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:27:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVebH3.0.hZ1.HR-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How come phoenetic isn't spelled like it sounds???? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 12:48:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11084; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:48:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:48:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bf4269$09518540$157979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:15:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"m_1rp3.0.Sx.xD-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you speaking of a Tanpura? cliff -----Original Message----- From: Bizurko@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:35 AM Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality >Yeah, Tim, that's right on, and they're relatively cheap. Lark in the >Morning sells them for $175.00. I recently bought one elsewhere(in fact, I >have a gig tonight w/ a traditional Persian group where I'll use it), and so >far have keep it tuned like I tune my oud (C-G-A-D-G-C) so I don't have to >think about more fingering positions (I also play saz and guitar on the gig). >They're indeed bloody loud and cut right thru any other clatter. And they're >fun to record w/ as well --- > >David Burk > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 13:22:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19041; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:22:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:22:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <025f01bf426e$510b6400$ce0c1a3f@newmicronpc> From: "James Ko" To: References: <0.505e4e9c.25780327@aol.com> Subject: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:53:33 -0500 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"SNL9M3.0.8Q2.og-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of pedals that would do it? I'd like a way to quickly switch back and forth from "sitar sound" to "guitar sound" so sticking bent paperclips or such in the bridge area won't do it for me and I don't want to go find a Cort Sitar either. I'm sure a bunch of you must have already tried something like this in the past. Thanks a lot Jim Ko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 13:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20611; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:01:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Oh Jeez Resent-Message-ID: <"VCczk1.0.rQ3.Iw-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:56 AM 12/9/99, David Myers wrote: >Cripes, sorry everyone. In my haste I thought I was sending the jpeg to >Miko only. I know it's a real no-no and will be more careful in the >future.... Actually, in this case, I don't mind it, I've been looking around for a simple mixer to build for my modular, and this looks like it's not beyond my meager skills. Thanks! ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 13:28:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20601; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:28:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912091811.NAA10041@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-Sender: kevincc@houndsofheaven.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 13:11:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar In-Reply-To: <025f01bf426e$510b6400$ce0c1a3f@newmicronpc> References: <0.505e4e9c.25780327@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aIybk1.0.O04.u3_Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I have an effects patch that sounds 'sort of' like a sitar when played with low intensity. I'll look at the specs later tonight (its on a Korg AX300G). Caveat it sounds like a sitar like 12 string emulation sounds like a real 12 string (which is to say, not quite). However, in a pinch you might be able to use it effectively to good effect. Let me know if you'd like to see it and I'll get the settings. Kevin >Hi all. > >I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound >out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of >pedals that would do it? I'd like a way to quickly switch back and forth >from "sitar sound" to "guitar sound" so sticking bent paperclips or such in >the bridge area won't do it for me and I don't want to go find a Cort Sitar >either. I'm sure a bunch of you must have already tried something like this >in the past. > >Thanks a lot > >Jim Ko > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 13:29:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21350; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:29:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cd17870b.25814cc6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:19:50 EST Subject: Lovetone Meatball assistance? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"GgBPE2.0.Oa4.iB_Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Somebody lavished me with a Meatball on my birthday! ...and I thought I'd never find one since they've gone belly-up. What a cool gift! It's used and didn't come with any docs. I *think* I understand all the controls, but how do I get the CV thing going? An EV-5 doesn't seem to do anything. What are the two CV jacks supposed to control? Also - any new ideas for the effects LOOP (am I more on-topic now?) other than the usual fuzz? I jacked a heavy flange inthere to interesting effect. >p.s. miko said that i have all the lovetone pedals ever made - - not true!! >(just a lot of 'em) who said that? it came to me quoted from the list, but I missed the author. I would sure love a copy of the instructions for this beast! Could somebody do that for me? It was my birthday, after all, and I didn't hear from a single one of you! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 13:20:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18647; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:20:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:20:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <0.f161bb6a.2581490f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:03:59 EST Subject: Re: R: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"sr5ET1.0.5f3.Dz-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, no that would be the joombush Tim wrote about earlier--Tanpuras, I believe only have four (courses) of strings. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 14:25:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02525; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:25:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007401bf4277$8240f5e0$9f0a0118@lakwod1.co.home.com> From: "Russell" To: Subject: studio looping example Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:59:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Sb0q.0.dC7.an_Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been on this list a while and rarely write because I haven't gotten a serious live looping tool just yet. I did get a Boomerang a while back but took it back because I thought I was going to score an EDP on EBay... which was the first one that went over $1000.00 ... just before that other one went over $3000.000 . I loop in the studio a lot with cakewalk and Acid, but I'm jonesing to do it live. Now, to the point. My band has recorded some music that uses looping for the bass, guitar and drums, and I thought you guys (and gals) would like to hear it, and possibly help out a fellow looping enthusiast. You can hear our song, "So Good" at http://voting.bestband.com/BestBand/Scripts/Vote_index.cfm We're mamaSutra and we're under the R&B category, for lack of a better category like... "funky grooves with a badass female bass player / vocalist and some funky horn guy with killer effects." Anyway, The whole thing was done with loops on Cakewalk. Anyone who wants to cast a vote for us would also be much appreciated, but mainly I just want you to hear the tune. Any critiques or reviews are also appreciated. PS. Does anyone know if the new Boomerang will be Stereo? The mono thing is what's holding me back because I run stereo live on both my guitar and Sax. The DL-4 is stereo, but I want more than 14 seconds. Arrrggghhh!!!!! Peace Russell From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 14:27:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03360; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:27:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38500125.8E1D02E1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:21:14 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: shorter looping times [oscillations?] References: <00d101bf410f$150c3660$1dc4d6d1@oemcomputer> <3.0.5.32.19991207214406.007b44d0@pop.ici.net> <384EB33A.706AD3A8@earthlink.net> <4.1.19991208154125.00a36e10@realm-of-shade.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FoXNo2.0.iz7.X__Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the Reverend Rob wrote: > At 04:29 PM 12/8/99 -0500, postaldave wrote: > >what do you mean by "self-oscillate"???? postaldave@qx.net > > It's what occurs when the delay unit starts feeding back on itself, > generating new patterns of sound. > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s well, the good reverend sort of explained it (and grace gave it her blessing). i'm sure there's a more technical description for what goes on, tho. i'm also quite sure there's someone more qualified than i on this list who could give such a description. anyone? lance g. ps has anyone explored this phenomenon on the edp? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 15:08:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12160; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:08:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:08:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385008E9.97AE4AC2@clubhouseinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:54:51 -0500 From: Daniel Goodwin Reply-To: clubswami@clubhouseinc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: studio looping example References: <007401bf4277$8240f5e0$9f0a0118@lakwod1.co.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ_tL1.0._J2.2d0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The DL4 Line 6 box is not stereo in loop mode....I just got one yesterday, and was very disappointed that as with the JAMMAN, the advertising led you to believe that it loops in stereo. It does have stereo through while looping, but sums the left and right channels to mono.... WHEN IS SOMEBODY GOING TO MAKE A TRUE STEREO LOOPER????? The DL4 is a great box for the money though...... DJG From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 15:11:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12939; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Gamine70@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ea014d16.258160a8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:44:40 EST Subject: Re: studio looping example To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Resent-Message-ID: <"dgipC.0.Nl1.zS0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If it's any consolation you can slow down the loop and get 28 second loops, tho the sound quality will diminish a bit. have a good day matt > Sax. The DL-4 is stereo, but I want more than 14 seconds. Arrrggghhh!!!!! > > Peace > Russell From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 15:55:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21894; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:55:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:55:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991209195146.12713.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.251] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:51:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"e3PQv1.0.232.JY0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You guys on the it's and its thread,PLEASE send your chit chat privately. please >From: "Russell" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: It's and Its >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:27:35 -0700 > >How come phoenetic isn't spelled like it sounds???? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:12:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27515; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:12:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:12:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:05:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, papadave55@hotmail.com Subject: Re: It's and Its Resent-Message-ID: <"Bvyxn2.0.Qt2.Zl0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know if you realize it Narendra, but you've just become part of the thread! Hope all's going well... -Miko >>> "David Potter" 12/09 11:59 AM >>> You guys on the it's and its thread,PLEASE send your chit chat privately. please >From: "Russell" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: It's and Its >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:27:35 -0700 > >How come phoenetic isn't spelled like it sounds???? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:07:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26032; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:07:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3850091D.8B39645B@clubhouseinc.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:55:43 -0500 From: Daniel Goodwin Reply-To: clubswami@clubhouseinc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its References: <19991209195146.12713.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VIGKh1.0.BU2.td0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:09:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26843; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:09:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:09:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: jpw77@together.net Message-ID: <384FC489.1217@together.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:02:33 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland MS-1 (Yup) References: <19991204022049.63995.qmail@hotmail.com> <384EDEEA.197F@casema.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zUjET1.0.mY2.Sf0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com bert wrote: > > yeah I know a thing you should'nt do: > experimenting with all sorts of flashcards. Well, yeah, you need to use a type II ATA flash card. I got 10mb Sundisk card and get 'wrong card' messages. I discovered that Sundisk changed their cards at one point and Roland issued a software upgrade for the MS-1 that maintains compatibility. I've downloaded the upgrade from Roland's site, but having no sequencer (can anyone direct me to a shareware Mac sequencer?) have yet to install it. This may or may not be the answer. I'm also looking for an online manual for the Korg SDD-2000 delay. This is a nice DDL capable of long delay times (just over 4 seconds) that hasn't been mentioned much here. It's a great box, easy to use except for the sampling/triggering section which I can't quite figure out. The endless threads of completely off-topic posts followed by off-topic one line replies lately has been a drag. It is unfortunate when the impulse to communicate everything blurs the focus of a list like this. Jon Williams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 15:44:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19792; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:44:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.169d7c30.25816b82@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:30:58 EST Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"F49SS2.0.GG4.871Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/9/99 11:20:40 AM, Kojaque@email.msn.com writes: >I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound >out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of >pedals that would do it? I'd start with a compressor pedal, a particularly squishy one (Boss) Set Attack low and compression a bit high, tone towards high end. Then next plug into a Flanger with a subtle, shifting thing going. If you can put an EQ in between the pedals you might dial out the mids. Send this to a 3 second loop and set your drone with an open string, let it layer the same note at least twice. The flange should give you that slight overtone shift that the Tamboura produces. Then pick away for your Sitar. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:26:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01188; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991209202201.68460.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.67.1] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland MS-1 (Yup) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:22:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"_UOGC3.0._k3.g-0Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Well, yeah, you need to use a type II ATA flash card. I got 10mb Sundisk >card and get >'wrong card' messages. can anyone provide a pointer towards a source cheap flash cards that are reliable in the ms-1? thanks, matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:42:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05890; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:42:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:42:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F9200@il0015exch006u.ih.lucent.com> From: "Weideman, Gary L (Gary)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 $200 - Sam Ash website says 249.00 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:48:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OHyC32.0.LW5.dO_Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Samash site indicates a price for $249 not $199. G. Weideman > ---------- > From: Rik Myers[SMTP:zanga@mindspring.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Line6 DL4 $200 > > I don't wish to be an enabler to any but thems that musts, but: > > http://www.samash.com/shopping.htm > > $199.99 > > I reckon that's about the best listed price out there, for now...BTW, > thems > thats gots PODs can use the POD adapter. I noticed that Slam Ass didn't > have one listed at their site, and this thing eats batteries. > > Hasta -> Rico > ******************************************************** > * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * > ******************************************************** > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 16:52:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08295; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:52:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199912091811.NAA10041@home.HoundsOfHeaven.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"QBMWK.0.de.v-1Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Korg AX1g has an effect called 'drone' with sorta sounds like a sitar played inside of a steel drum. Pretty cool actually. Also, this $130 unit has a cool 2 second looper and an expression pedal built in to contol the looped sample's speed and direction. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > >I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound > >out of a regular electric guitar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:14:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12873; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:14:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003001bf4291$0f73c640$2476d6d1@micronjenni> From: "Jenni Leeds" To: , References: <199911051153.GAA07246@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Subject: EDP on ebay Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:02:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"vMxsy2.0.jH2.eM2Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=217387256 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:26:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15721; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:26:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:26:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:20:37 -0700 Subject: I would like to change From: Sebastian Woscoboinik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 944777836.4FAF01AC1E03A0.17836 Resent-Message-ID: <"R9FLW1.0.GD3.Qe2Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Folks, I would like to change the FC7 of my EDP. Do you know How can I get a good FC (other company) or if I can built one, which foot switch (model and company) I have to buy. thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:56:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23026; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:56:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991209140946.007acd90@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:09:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar In-Reply-To: <0.169d7c30.25816b82@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dNDGI.0.Rm4.413Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is also a studio trick that I read about some time ago and tried with some success. Take an acoustic guitar and lay it flat on the ground, soundhole up. set an E-bow on the A or D string, but detune the string so it is fairly slack, and buzzes slightly as the e-bow vibrates the string. then retune/detune the other strings in sypathetic tune with the string being vibrated by the e-bow. You can move the e-bow back and forth to get the right amount of buzz. Add a bit of flange.... It was kindof a cheezy trick and a one-trick pony, but provided some interesting textures. later, rich At 03:30 PM 12/9/99 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/9/99 11:20:40 AM, Kojaque@email.msn.com writes: > >>I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound >>out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of >>pedals that would do it? > >I'd start with a compressor pedal, a particularly squishy one (Boss) Set >Attack low and compression a bit high, tone towards high end. Then next plug >into a Flanger with a subtle, shifting thing going. If you can put an EQ in >between the pedals you might dial out the mids. > >Send this to a 3 second loop and set your drone with an open string, let it >layer the same note at least twice. The flange should give you that slight >overtone shift that the Tamboura produces. Then pick away for your Sitar. > >eric p >echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:56:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23062; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991209122847.00a7ea90@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 12:32:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: DL4's on Backorder @ Sam Ash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"wqlxM2.0.A_4.f43Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just a heads up. Although they are selling @ $199.99,..they're not in stock. (AAARRGGHH) So much for using it this weekend. Any body else have any tips on where I can get one quickly? (on-line preferably) Now I'm just determined to get this damned thing. I'm in California right now but will be flying into Boston tomorrow. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. -Joe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHECK OUT BOSTONS PREMIERE FUNK AND DANCE BAND www.funky-town.com **************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:55:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22860; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:55:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:55:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf4296$7809d0a0$31934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: EH random tone generator? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:41:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ktSLO3.0.xc4.r-2Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's true, Javier, there's nothing *random* about that device. I was intrigued by the idea back in 1979 or '80 when I first heard about it so I ordered one by mail. When it came I was very disappointed since as you say, it was just a long repeated string of tones. Through some sort of error a second RTG arrived in the mail about two weeks later. Using the two together, starting at different points, was definitely more interesting than listening to the single unit. Running them through other devices also helped vary things, but in general it got tired really quickly, whereas a truly "random" device would probably sustain one's interest for a longer time. James Pokorny -----Original Message----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: RE: EH random tone generator? >It's a little box the size of a Small Stone. It features only one knob for >the speed of the random tones. This is a true looping device, now that you >mention it, because the tones are not random at all. They consist of a long >sequence of apparently keyless tones which repeats over and over again. >After a while I found it rather boring. It's cool in the background, low >volume, with lots of echo, maybe a flanger, maybe fade it in and out. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kriist@aol.com [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] > | Sent: Wednesday 08 December 1999 6:20 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > | Subject: EH random tone generator? > | > | > | does anybody know where i could find a schematic for this hard > | to find item(i > | cant even find a pic of it on the net) > | or at least, what sort of technology it uses to create random > | tones(in fact, > | how random is it?) > | > | thanks > | > | rodrigo > | > | > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 17:53:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22613; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:53:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991209143328.00a7a4b0@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:34:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 $200 - Sam Ash website says 249.00 In-Reply-To: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F9200@il0015exch006u.ih .lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"dSwLr1.0.fN4.Ax2Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com They must have just changed it then,..cuase I actually bought one for $199 yesterday. 'Course,..there on back order ; ) At 11:48 AM 12/9/99 -0600, Weideman, Gary L (Gary) wrote: >The Samash site indicates a price for $249 not $199. > >G. Weideman > > > ---------- > > From: Rik Myers[SMTP:zanga@mindspring.com] > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:50 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Line6 DL4 $200 > > > > I don't wish to be an enabler to any but thems that musts, but: > > > > http://www.samash.com/shopping.htm > > > > $199.99 > > > > I reckon that's about the best listed price out there, for now...BTW, > > thems > > thats gots PODs can use the POD adapter. I noticed that Slam Ass didn't > > have one listed at their site, and this thing eats batteries. > > > > Hasta -> Rico > > ******************************************************** > > * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * > > ******************************************************** > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 18:31:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30803; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:31:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.169d7c30.25816b82@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:16:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"gUOa63.0.Cl6.LZ3Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 12/9/99 11:20:40 AM, Kojaque@email.msn.com writes: > >>I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound >>out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of >>pedals that would do it? I use a compressor to really squash the signal for maximum sustain, followed by heavy tube distortion to get plenty of harmonics, then into a volume pedal so I can fade in each note a little, followed by a parametric eq and finally the String Resonator patch in an Eventide H3000, to get the sympathetic resonance effect. I change the resonator notes from a MIDI keyboard or sequencer. The right combination of resonators and playing makes decent timbre for Indian-influenced slow melodies, imho. Oh, I forgot to mention I don't play guitar ;-)... I use this on an upright bass, but it would probably work better on guitar. Unfortunately, sitars are still quite a bit cheaper than H3000's, last time I checked... -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 18:55:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03853; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:55:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:55:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991209183633.00823400@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:36:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 $200 - Sam Ash website says 249.00 In-Reply-To: <012F2481B420D211BE5A00A0C9CDAFBA020F9200@il0015exch006u.ih .lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bqowG2.0.br7.Oq3Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well I guess you snooze you lose...it looked like a very good price, and I know a few that ordered it at that price. I reckon they saw they had valuable commodity! >The Samash site indicates a price for $249 not $199. > >G. Weideman > >> ---------- >> From: Rik Myers[SMTP:zanga@mindspring.com] >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:50 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Line6 DL4 $200 >> >> I don't wish to be an enabler to any but thems that musts, but: >> >> http://www.samash.com/shopping.htm >> >> $199.99 >> >> I reckon that's about the best listed price out there, for now...BTW, >> thems >> thats gots PODs can use the POD adapter. I noticed that Slam Ass didn't >> have one listed at their site, and this thing eats batteries. >> >> Hasta -> Rico >> ******************************************************** >> * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * >> ******************************************************** >> > > ******************************************************** * Earth is an asylum for angels with amnesia - Emerson * ******************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 19:30:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11619; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:30:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:30:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007c01bf42a3$6a594140$69944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Cumbus link / microtonality / sitar sounds Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:13:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"dw5Os.0.rr1.kL4Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those interested in the Cumbus, here's a link for Lark in the Morning: http://www.mhs.mendocino.k12.ca.us/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/MiddleE asternStrings I've dealt with LITM in the past and they tend to be very reliable and quick with shipping, but they're expensive. I too own a cumbus, and though I like the sound very much, it's my least-played instrument. I think this is probably since I have no guitar background, and the stringing arrangement (double courses of 6 strings) and fairly short neck (compared to my long-necked lutes) seem to favor an oud, or guitar technique. But it's a great instrument and would probably be a very natural step from standard guitar into the world of microtonality. Also check out the Yayli Tanbur -- it's generally tuned DD - AA - DD like a dulcimer, but has an extremely long neck (over two octaves from the open string) with 50 + frets. If that isn't enough, the frets are also moveable and slide easily into place for additional microtones. Reminds me a little of David's guitar . . . :-) David Beardsley wrote: >When I was looping in my pre-microtonal knowledgeable >days, I was heavily into the in-between notes. I would >sustain a note on the guitar and after a couple of >repeats, I would bend the note a bit, maybe behind >the nut if it was an open string. I used to call it >real time chorusing. Little I did know there was a science to it... Hello David! Nice to see you on the LD list. Many Middle-Eastern and Eastern string instruments like the oud, cumbus, yayli tanbur, saz, tar, etc. besides being fretless (or having microtonal frets) also have double (or even triple) courses of strings (similar to the doubled strings on a 12-string guitar). I suspect this originally served to amplify the sound of the instrument. However, with the minute differences in tuning between the two strings (nearly unavoidable in practice) acoustical "beating" takes place, which really opens up the sound, causing the same "real time chorusing" that you mention. As far as sitar sounds on a guitar -- that's a tough one. The sitar is my primary instrument, and I'll explain a bit about the way that typical twanginess is produced. The bridge on a sitar is about an inch wide. It's made from deer horn (or ivory, in the past) and has a very gradual slope across the surface. Generally this slope is high in the middle and tapers down unevenly at each end. There's a very small amount of space between the string and the end of the bridge, and when the string is plucked it vibrates repeatedly against the bridge, causing that overtone-rich twanging. This can be controlled to some degree. Some sitarists (Ravi Shankar, for example) like to have an extremely twangy sound. This is good for rapid playing since the initial attack sounds great. However, there's little to no sustain. Other players (for example Vilayat Khan) favor a more closed sound, with far less twanginess. This lends a much longer sustain to the instrument, allowing greater note-bending possibilities. You might be able to find a sitar bridge and adapt it to your guitar. This could be problematic, since the sitar bridge is raised far above the neck and would drastically alter the string action. You might try experimenting by using a wooden dowel that would be about the same height as the guitar bridge, then try filing it to recreate the slope of the sitar bridge. Hope this helps. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 20:03:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21762; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:03:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:03:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.48a2558f.2581a56c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:38:04 EST Subject: Re: EH random tone generator? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"cBWA01.0.Cf3.gk4Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how long is the string of notes?(at the center setting) does it always start on the same pitch?(or does it start on diff places of the string) is it a sine wave? rodrigo > That's true, Javier, there's nothing *random* about that device. I was > intrigued by the idea back in 1979 or '80 when I first heard about it so I > ordered one by mail. When it came I was very disappointed since as you say, > it was just a long repeated string of tones. Through some sort of error a > second RTG arrived in the mail about two weeks later. Using the two > together, starting at different points, was definitely more interesting than > listening to the single unit. Running them through other devices also > helped vary things, but in general it got tired really quickly, whereas a > truly "random" device would probably sustain one's interest for a longer > time. > > James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 20:40:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31632; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:40:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991209202532.007adbb0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:25:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar In-Reply-To: <025f01bf426e$510b6400$ce0c1a3f@newmicronpc> References: <0.505e4e9c.25780327@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pkozE1.0.kn6.WQ5Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jim, If you've got a beater electric you wouldn't mind turning into a project guitar, you could go the Coral route and fashion yourself a buzzing bridge... The idea is the opposite of a regular guitar bridge where you'd normally want to minimize buzz and maximize intonation by having the string contact the saddle at the smallest point possible; to make a sitar-sounding bridge you want to maximize the string's point of contact with the bridge by sanding a block of wood into a curve something like the cross-section of an airplane's wing, so the string will continue to buzz without muting out as you play up the neck. You'll have to play around a bit with the scale length to get an approximation of intonation, so a separate stop tailpiece really helps... I built a Coral copy many years ago (which I foolishly sold) that used this sort of bridge, and it worked very well. I've been building another one (teardrop-shaped; actually traced around my smaller oud!) with sympathetic strings and a deeply scalloped fingerboard, but have been too busy to finish it. As far as quickly switching between the sitar sound and a regular guitar sound, you could do the prog guy thing and mount one of these on a mic stand; play your twangy/shruti part into your looper of choice, then step back and let 'er rip on your normal instrument. The compression/delay advice the others have given works particularly well with such a bridge, and it really sounds good in modal tunings. Tim At 12:53 PM 12/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound >out of a regular electric guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 20:42:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31985; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:42:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:42:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e4a47153.2581ad50@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:11:44 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Resent-Message-ID: <"95T7z.0.G56.yD5Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/9/99 11:47:34 PM, you wrote: <out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of >pedals that would do it?>> 1. Find an old electric guitar 2. Build a sitar bridge for it and play. Copy from old danelectro. I built an el sitar and sounds good. the bridge is a tad tricky paul adams From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 22:44:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24998; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:44:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:44:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.55190f06.2581c8e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:09:20 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"dDLyX2.0.qN4.Gy6Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is also an old trick of attaching a paper clip to the bridge, and bending so that it almost touches the 1st,2nd, qnd 3rd strings which are tuned alternatley-dgab I think. You attach the paper clip so that it goes over the 4th, 5th and 6th strings. The clip will produce a sound that is almost a combination of your strings fretting out, and nad natural harmonics. While kind of hasselsome and rather tricky, it's(pronounced its) a lot cheaper than buying a new piece of digital gear that will clog your signal path. try it, and if it doesn't work, you haven't lost any money. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 9 23:48:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05693; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:48:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.89c4e3a8.2581da26@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:23:02 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"tSR0g3.0.Pu7.718Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Before anyone criticizes my spelling on my previouse post, Iwant it made clear that I've had a few too many to drink this evening, in other words don't be hypocrites, again. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 00:29:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19704; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:29:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:29:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38508D97.71AF0E04@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:20:23 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #500 References: <0.89c4e3a8.2581da26@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CDCE2F585698AD66A21344D7" Resent-Message-ID: <"38OkG1.0.jc3.3t8Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------CDCE2F585698AD66A21344D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit noodle salad = good times jimmy george MyWarNerve@aol.com wrote: > Before anyone criticizes my spelling on my previouse post, Iwant it made > clear that I've had a few too many to drink this evening, in other words > don't be hypocrites, again. > A --------------CDCE2F585698AD66A21344D7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
noodle salad = good times
jimmy george

MyWarNerve@aol.com wrote:

Before anyone criticizes my spelling on my previouse post, Iwant it made
clear that I've had a few too many to drink this evening, in other words
don't be hypocrites, again.
A
--------------CDCE2F585698AD66A21344D7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 00:33:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21448; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c666cd45.2581e881@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:24:17 EST Subject: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"UOVmm1.0.-F4.cw8Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was wondering: Say you had two non-midi loopers (headrush A and headrush B). Would it be possible to open them up, disconnect the footswitches in A; then hook up the footswitches in B to both units (i.e., one set of footswitches for two units)? The $64000 question is: Since both loops are starting/ending at the same time, would they stay in sync or IS THERE SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT WOULD CAUSE THE LOOPS TO FLUCTUATE? I have no idea what makes a looper loop (magic?) so I'm hoping one of the list's more tech orientated-types (Kim?) would perhaps be able to offer some insight. If in fact there weren't any fluctuations between the two (or three, ten, etc.) you could then sync up non-midi loopers or, (maybe even better ) go out of a stereo processor into the duo(left-A; right-B). Of course you'd have two god-damned wall warts to contend with but what do you want for about $300? (please do not clog up the list with answers to that question) :-) just wondering jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 01:28:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02540; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:28:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:28:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991210061606.74700.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 22:16:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"rX1_S3.0.Tq7.8h9Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com He's the guy that I told you about. See? Never a kind word from Javier. By the way, the link to SoundRaider is http://195.92.248.101:802/raider/ That's the audio program that makes music from all of your .wav files. What was that other webpage that was experimental music discussion? I'd like to see that one. thanks, matt >From: "Christopher White" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: It's and Its >Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:43:49 -0400 > >Javier, > > I am sorry that was me typing with my child in one arm and not being >to >careful in my placement of apostrophes. I supppose I find it a bit scary >that you actually took the time to point out my mistake in grammar on my >email. I bow to your massive english powers! Anoint me with your silver >tongue and your typing fingers of gold! I have sinned...SINNED!... and its >it's it is so bad. >c.white >---------- > >From: "Javier Miranda V." > >To: > >Subject: It's and Its > >Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 11:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > >Did everybody agree to use "it's" and "its" wrong almost everytime? > > > >Come on, people, if you cannot substitute "it is" for "it's," then the > >apostrophe doesn't belong there. > > > >For example: > > > > despite it's stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Would it sound right to say: > > > > despite it is stigma as being a beat orientated machine.. > > > >Apparently not. > > > >Further, this should be written thus: > > > > despite its stigma as being a beat-oriented machine... > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. I just had to say something about it. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 01:45:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07630; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:45:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991210051717.19434.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: 01v To: all MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"HyGOb1.0.fy.qx9Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone use a adatm20 connected to an o1v? It's a setup I'm considering buying and I could use some feedback. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 02:52:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23335; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:52:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3850B14D.77726964@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:54:55 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"djmPG3.0.5R5.i_AKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex Stahl wrote: > >In a message dated 12/9/99 11:20:40 AM, Kojaque@email.msn.com writes: > > > >>I was wondering if anyone out there knows a way to get a sitar-like sound > >>out of a regular electric guitar. Is there a pedal or combinations of > >>pedals that would do it? > > I use a compressor to really squash the signal for maximum sustain, > followed by heavy tube distortion to get plenty of harmonics, then into a > volume pedal so I can fade in each note a little, followed by a parametric > eq and finally the String Resonator patch in an Eventide H3000, to get the > sympathetic resonance effect. I change the resonator notes from a MIDI > keyboard or sequencer. The right combination of resonators and playing > makes decent timbre for Indian-influenced slow melodies, imho. > > Oh, I forgot to mention I don't play guitar ;-)... I use this on an upright > bass, but it would probably work better on guitar. Unfortunately, sitars > are still quite a bit cheaper than H3000's, last time I checked... > > -Alex S. cheaper still was the low-tech solution of my youth (albeit on a nylon-stringed guitar): aluminum exacto blade handle #14 (i think), the thicker one, not the #11 which is more common, taped to the string-side of the saddle. just enough clearance (at least on my cheapo axe) to avoid damping strings while producing at the same time a somewhat hindi buzz. cost: about $3.50 US., no wall warts required. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 03:59:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03452; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:59:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:59:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: It's and Its Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:46:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991210061606.74700.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"CrXAm.0.zd.m_BKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, I'll start being more loving and tender from now on... | -----Original Message----- | From: Mr. Tough [mailto:electricfriends@hotmail.com] | Sent: Thursday 09 December 1999 10:16 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: It's and Its | | | He's the guy that I told you about. See? Never a kind word from Javier. | By the way, the link to SoundRaider is http://195.92.248.101:802/raider/ | That's the audio program that makes music from all of your .wav files. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 04:50:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12346; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:50:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3850CC02.B4E842C0@texas.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:47:51 -0600 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4's in stock at Alto (on Backorder @ Sam Ash) References: <4.2.0.58.19991209122847.00a7ea90@pilgrim.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DLWuK1.0.Wn2.VkCKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com alto music will sell dl4's to looper's delight folks for $200 (thanks to legion & greg). i ordered mine yesterday and they had 'em in stock. http://www.altomusic.com go man go, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 06:55:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02063; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:55:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 06:55:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3850E947.897586BB@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 05:51:35 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com Subject: CD Factory ... References: <3.0.5.32.19991209064236.007a8100@pop.ici.net> <384FAD46.75AEA438@jimmygeorgearts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sRRb9.0.rI.hbEKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank you for all your guidance on buying the best CD burner / software program. your input was succesfully helpful. my current question would require a click from you to the sonic foundry's site. please crirueqe this CD Factory package for better or worse. i found a registard used version of this combo plus a current version of Acid Pro 2. for the grand total of 475. it seems a great find. please let me know what you think. thank you in advance for your time. http://www.sonicfoundry.com/PRODUCTS/ShowProduct.asp?PID=19 peace jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 07:56:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13197; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:56:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:56:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7085b7fa.25825134@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:00 EST Subject: Re: 01v To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"Bxe1N1.0.B-2.QTFKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Anyone use a adatm20 connected to an o1v? >> I can't answer your question precisely, but for what it's worth, I use the older Yamaha Promix 01 with a Korg D-8 and love that combination. My mixer is really another extremely useful instrument now. I really love watchin' those busy little sliders working all by themselves!! 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 08:38:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22702; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:38:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.d39b4e33.25824fef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:04:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers???/Quiet switches for Headrush! Resent-Message-ID: <"EoECF.0.kW3.qdFKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just yesterday I also replaced the switches on my Headrush, with Radio Shack "soft feel" push on-push off switches (part no. 275-1565). These aren't tough ones either, but no more "ka CHUNK!", which was a problem in my tabletop layout. Unfortunately they are SPST and cannot do the trick originally asked for by Jack.... David Myers >jack, > Good Idea! They should stay perfectly in sync. And the switches inside >the Headrush are DPDT (push/push) so you even have extra lugs on each switch >to do it. Aaaaand one wall wart is plenty, just make up a pig-tailed Y-plug >for one of them. I use this all the time. For instance, I have had two Korg >X5DR's running off one wall wart for two years now and both my Headrushes are >on another, etc. Works fine. > I use my Headrushes differently than you suggest however. One's 'mix >out' goes to the other's 'input'. That ultimately gives me a 23 second loop >with many, many, many layers, if I so choose. > Btw: I have found much quieter switches for the Headrush too, if you do a >lot of vocal or acoustic instrument looping in a very quiet room where the >click of the switches is picked up by your mic(s). Alcoswitch Part# >MPG-106D. SPDT. They are not the 'combat strength' switches the originals >are however. I remounted the original switches on mine with rubber washers >and that helped soften the click sufficiently for me. > >good luck, > 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 09:00:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27706; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:00:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:00:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.bb9260b8.25825fff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:54:07 EST Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers???/Quiet switches for Headrush! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"Bh5kb.0.LT6.ZOGKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Unfortunately they are SPST and cannot do the trick originally asked for by Jack.... >> They can I believe, if he just doubles up the leads on the lugs. Not as neat, but will work. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 09:42:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04161; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:42:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:42:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991210143601.60208.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [198.185.21.49] Reply-To: m.lameyer@rcn.com From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro - new news? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:36:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"G8pSs1.0.Rl.o_GKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I had a hard time tracking down news of this, so for any who don't already know . . . ----------------------------- Michael, Trace Elliot will be manufacturing this product in the near future, probably around late Spring, or Summer of 2000. Thanks for the inquiry. Alan Crowe Gibson Customer Support -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer [mailto:mlameyer@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:51 PM To: relations@gibson.com Subject: RE: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Any idea what's to become of this product? It's the best thing out there and lots of people are dying to have it. Thanks >From: Customer Relations >To: "'mlameyer@HOTMAIL.COM '" >Subject: RE: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:48 -0600 > > Not at the present time. >-----Original Message----- >From: mlameyer@HOTMAIL.COM >To: relations@gibson.com >Sent: 12/9/99 12:13 PM >Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro > >From: Michael LaMeyer >Email: mlameyer@hotmail.com > >Is this product still in production? > >Thanks > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 10:30:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14446; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:30:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:30:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <0.15873a8f.2582748a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:21:46 EST Subject: Re: Cumbus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"oAjDi.0.Z33.ogHKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Could the person who wrote yesterday about doing a gig on the cumbus please contact me off list (krosser414@aol.com)? Thanks, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 11:03:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21478; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:55:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro - new news? From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991210143601.60208.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PbWeh1.0.gr4.d9IKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, gosh. "Fall of 99" turned to "beginning of January", which has turned to "sometime in the next seven months". A cynical man might begin to doubt the word of Gibson. I wonder what the eBay prices of EDPs will reach before this is over? TH > > I had a hard time tracking down news of this, so for any who don't already > know . . . > > ----------------------------- > > Michael, > Trace Elliot will be manufacturing this product in the near future, probably > around late Spring, or Summer of 2000. Thanks for the inquiry. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 11:03:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21499; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:03:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bf4327$040d76c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: I would like to change Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:55:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GBg8e1.0.nv4.SBIKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's easy to build your own. Check out http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html . Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Woscoboinik To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:54 PM Subject: I would like to change >Hi Folks, I would like to change the FC7 of my EDP. Do you know How can I >get a good FC (other company) or if I can built one, which foot switch >(model and company) I have to buy. > >thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 12:46:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13031; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38513170.1E954331@clubhouseinc.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:59:30 -0500 From: Daniel Goodwin Reply-To: clubswami@clubhouseinc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4's on Backorder @ Sam Ash References: <4.2.0.58.19991209122847.00a7ea90@pilgrim.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BYaCY2.0.yv.nCJKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Buy a DL4 at American Music Supply.......it's all in stock for $249.......sure it's fifty bucks more, but at least you don't have to wait! DJG From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 13:00:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15709; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:00:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:00:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:19:32 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? In-reply-to: <0.c666cd45.2581e881@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mEotd.0.tJ2.bZJKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 9:24 PM -0800 12/9/99, Jax1723@aol.com wrote: >I was wondering: >Say you had two non-midi loopers (headrush A and headrush B). Would it be >possible to open them up, disconnect the footswitches in A; then hook up the >footswitches in B to both units (i.e., one set of footswitches for two >units)? The $64000 question is: Since both loops are starting/ending at the >same time, would they stay in sync or IS THERE SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT WOULD >CAUSE THE LOOPS TO FLUCTUATE? no, they won't stay in sync. You have some crystal oscillator clocking the system logic of your headrushes. It is pretty much impossible for two clock oscillators to have exactly the same frequency. They will be within some tolerance, so they will be close, but not exact. Clock oscillator frequencies will also drift a bit with temperature, age, and the tolerance of the load caps on the crystal. If you have no feedback mechanism to keep the clocks synchronized with each other, they will drift from each other. This means, you'll record two loops that will start off together. As they loop, the slight differences will cause the loops to slowly drift apart, causing phase problems, then flamming, then just odd rhythms. Sometimes this can be obvious very quickly, sometimes slow. Just depends on the natural random variance between the clocks on the two headrushes. This is the whole point of why midi sync exists. Pretty much any device that is expected to continue running and staying together with other devices uses it. (jamman and echoplex are two loopers that do.) Before midi there were similar control voltage methods that did the same thing on older synth/sequencers. Midi sync has limited precision, so on the Echoplex we took this idea a step farther with BrotherSync. This actually synchronizes the sample clocks of two or more echoplexes together, so they stay perfectly in sync. It uses a sort of pll-like feedback system that can change the frequencies of the clocks in each unit by small amount, correcting for any error difference between them. Once they find equilibrium, they stay there. So two echoplexes can stay locked together very well. I think you can do this in a more limited fashion with midi sync on a jamman, although then one unit will have to be slave to the other. If this is what you wanted to do, you got the wrong product. Headrush doesn't have any sync features, it's just a simple pedal not intended for such use. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 13:13:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18727; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:13:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:13:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991210172509.6012.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] From: "G716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:25:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF42F0.73C52F30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Resent-Message-ID: <"gcrXn.0.F22.NUJKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF42F0.73C52F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First: for those ordering back ordered units from Sam Ash -- why? We = (I) arranged a group discount together with Alto Music. Didn't you see = those posts from last week? Granted, a heavy posting week. Alto has = them for $200 to members of this list and they're in stock. Plus, Alto = has supported the LD list before with an EDP special discount. It'd be = nice to keep that relationship going. For more on this discount see: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/199912/msg00153.html And now for my review..... I just received my DL4 (from Alto via the LD Group Buy -- $200) and got = the expression pedal -- I recommend the pedal (or an equivalent one) for the morphing tricks it does. The write-up: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/line6/DL4_Review.html by Jeff Seltzer is very thorough and useful, so I won't repeat him. I = will add a few things: 1) the looper is not stereo. I was really hoping it would be. The = delays are true stereo, but I'm guessing they opted to maximize loop time by = going mono. A sensible compromise for a $200 unit. 2) you can't alter loop time once a loop has started, but you can alter delay time, regen., mix, of the delay that's *prior* to the looper. = That is, when in loop mode, you still have a basic "delay" unit with = changable settings. Imagine a basic old Boss delay pedal infront of the simplest = of echoplexes. (kind of a clarification to Jeff's posting) 3) you can't set the looper's feedback/regen. It's always at 100% and = will only drop sound as new sound is added. #1 and #3 are the only negatives I found with this pedal. Given the = price and the other capabilities, I can easily live with it. I bought = this for it's looping capabilities, but am falling in love with it for = it's delays and morphing tricks. For me this delay, with the expression = pedal, is what I hoped the Vortex would be. While not as dramatic with = all of Vortex's filters and just plain old wacky stuff (that's a = technical term), the DL4 spurs my creativity immensely. Within seconds = I was comfortably controlling and morphing the sounds. Greg out. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF42F0.73C52F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First: for those ordering back ordered = units from=20 Sam Ash -- why?  We (I) arranged a group discount = together with Alto=20 Music.  Didn't you see those posts from last week?  Granted, a = heavy=20 posting week.  Alto has them for $200 to members of this list and = they're=20 in stock.  Plus, Alto has supported the LD list before with an EDP = special=20 discount.  It'd be nice to keep that relationship = going.
 
For more on this = discount see:
ht= tp://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/199912/msg00153.html
 
And now for my review.....

I just received my DL4 (from Alto = via the LD=20 Group Buy -- $200) and got the
expression pedal -- I recommend the = pedal (or=20 an equivalent one) for the
morphing tricks it does.

The=20 write-up:
http:= //www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/line6/DL4_Review.html
by=20 Jeff Seltzer is very thorough and useful, so I won't repeat him.  I = will
add a few things:

1) the looper is not stereo.  I = was really=20 hoping it would be.  The delays
are true stereo, but I'm = guessing they=20 opted to maximize loop time by going
mono.  A sensible = compromise for a=20 $200 unit.

2) you can't alter loop time once a = loop has=20 started, but you can alter
delay time, regen., mix, of the delay = that's=20 *prior* to the looper.  That
is, when in loop mode, you still = have a=20 basic "delay" unit with changable
settings.  Imagine a basic old = Boss=20 delay pedal infront of the simplest of
echoplexes.  (kind of a=20 clarification to Jeff's posting)
 
3) you can't set the looper's = feedback/regen. =20 It's always at 100% and will
only drop sound as new sound is = added.

#1=20 and #3 are the only negatives I found with this pedal.  Given the = price and=20 the other capabilities, I can easily live with it.  I bought this = for it's=20 looping capabilities, but am falling = in love with=20 it for it's delays and morphing tricks.  For=20 me this delay, with the expression pedal, is what I hoped the Vortex = would=20 be.  While not as dramatic with all of Vortex's filters and just = plain old=20 wacky stuff (that's a technical term), the DL4 spurs my creativity=20 immensely.  Within seconds I was comfortably controlling and = morphing the=20 sounds.

Greg out.
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF42F0.73C52F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 15:14:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12095; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:14:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:14:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-id: <6089138@sneezy.Dartmouth.ORG> Date: 10 Dec 1999 14:44:05 EST From: Joseph.Nagraj.98@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Joseph Nagraj 98) Reply-To: Joseph.Nagraj.98@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Luke Bruce Muchly) Subject: 10% off Musician's Friend with ebates To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ie7ec.0.HN1.9WLKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I thought I'd let those who haven't heard know about ebates.com, which can help save some money. Essentially, they've become an affiliate at many stores on the web, but instead of keeping the money, they return it to the buyer who linked through ebates when making the purchase. The rebate is saved in your account, and checks are mailed out four times a year. You can get 10% off any and all purchases at Musician's Friend (though that still doesn't make MF attractive for loopers: DL4 sells for $270 there, which isn't too attractive, even with an additional 10% discount, and I couldn't find the boomerang on their site. The headrush goes for $200 (pre-discount). I'm not sure how that price compares.) I'm also fond of the 7% off of CDnow, 10% off of Reel.com (for DVDs), 5% at outpost.com (which saved me big on my new G4). I'll stop blabbering now, for fear of sounding too much like a sales pitch, though I suspect I've already crossed that line. If you shop online at all, this is at least worth a quick look, I think, as it's a good deal for those who were planning on buying things at these sites anyway.... To sign up, their web address is simply www.ebates.com, though if you want to use me as a referral (which costs nothing to you, but does help me out a bit), use this link: http://www.ebates.com/index.jhtml?referrer=jngr As far as my own (quite limited) looping gear: I've been playing around with the "sound on sound" patch in my digitech RP12 for a while, before stumbling upon this list this past summer. I will be upgrading my looping gear sometime soon, and I thank all of you for the great discussion I've seen in the last months. you've given me muh to think about. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 15:45:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19040; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:45:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:45:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991210153644.007bd520@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:36:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: ot: expression pedal for vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hZdJe.0.q44.wHMKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i know this has been covered in the past (mea culpa!) but i can't seem to get that search engine at the l.d. archives to tell me... recomended expression pedal for the vortex? off-list replies welcomed. thanks. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 16:31:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29434; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:31:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:31:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:20:00 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Vortex Schematix X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.58 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OYUb43.0.Ae6.gwMKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Vortex Schematics available anywhere online yet ??? What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 17:58:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14341; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:58:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:46:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: SCHALTWERK @ Rogue Resent-Message-ID: <"cfB0O1.0.z23.lDOKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This unit came up a week or so ago. I just got a newsletter from Rogue Music in New York. They have them new for 1375. OUCH!... No idea if this is a good price or not. Patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 17:53:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13459; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ef01bf435f$d9cfeda0$8b0d1a3f@newmicronpc> From: "James Ko" To: References: Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:42:31 -0500 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ff1KS3.0.pK2.W_NKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks all for all the suggestions. I'll try them out when I'm not bedridden anymore (caught a nasty flu). Also, are there any books out there that publish rudimenary ragas in tab form? My note reading skills are wholly inadequate. I'm not looking for a complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to familiarize myself to the tonality. Thanks again. This list is a great resource! Jim Ko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 18:08:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16654; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:08:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.81682fdd.2582df80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:58:08 EST Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"w7zlJ2.0.2a3.ZMOKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Guitar Grimoire, book II. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 17:56:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14145; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:56:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:56:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:48:40 -0600 Subject: FS: FX-94 $90 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fJljO3.0.H23.VDOKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DOD DFX-94 Sampler/Delay Scholz Power Soak trade? Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: DOD DFX-94 Digital Delay/sampler pedal up to 4 sec. Sample/delay time Controls for level, repeat, delay and range/mode (including sample/trigger/infinite repeat) Excellent condition, works perfectly $90/shipped Tom Scholz Power Soak Terrific for cranking an amp and keeping the volume at sane levels oe using headphones Excellent condition, works perfectly $100 shipped or both for $180/shipped Will trade for/towards: Any Sovtek or Redbear amp Marshall/Marshall type amps any PA cabs or powered mixers (at least 100 watts rms) Boss RV-3/Any interesting/weird effects pedals Guitar synth Seller: jordan malken, E-mail: meanreds@earthlink.net (Profile) Location: PROVIDENCE, RI Post Date: 12/10/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 18:01:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15319; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:01:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:47:31 -0600 Subject: FS: PDS 8000 $250 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"d0mQx3.0.6u2.GCOKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: Digitech PDS-8000 eight second delay Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: For Sale: Digitech PDS-8000 eight second delay -8 seconds of delay -infinite repeat/loop ("hold") -trigger in (+5v; sync to 606.808 etc) VG cond. $250 + shipping contact me at: super_pingouin@hotmail.com thanks, -robert Seller: Robert Verberkmoes, E-mail: super_pingouin@hotmail.com (Profile) Post Date: 12/10/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 19:34:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02463; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:34:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:34:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912110029.TAA11734@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:30:28 -0400 Subject: Sp-808 pro for sale and Mpx-1 lexicon processor as well From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xVEbh3.0.mC.IhPKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com both items are in great shape! i will be willing to do a trade with the mpx-1 maybe for a eps 16+ or an akai rackmount unit? let me know c.white ps the lexicon is a wonderful programmable efxs unit. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 19:48:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06093; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:48:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3851913C.63A3@sirius.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:48:19 -0700 From: Peter Wiley Reply-To: pwiley@sirius.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball assistance? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"al-h12.0.C71.btPKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Somebody lavished me with a Meatball on my birthday! > ...and I thought I'd never find one since they've gone belly-up. Fast breaking news... I just got a call from mark at lovetone... reports of their demise are premature and they are busy trying to revamp. They're quite friendly, but I forgot to ask how to contact them. The website is no longer up; you could try mail: Lovetone Box 102, Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire, England RG9 1XX +44-1491-571411 phone/fax > I *think* I understand all the > controls, but how do I get the CV thing going? My manual (I believe it was a xeroxed sheet) is long gone. However I seem to remember that the pedal inputs are not CV controls and the manual explicitly warning against sending any voltage into them. Pedal 1 controls the attack and I think pedal 2 controls the "intens" knob (which should more accurately be called freq). A really fun if quirky pedal, happy birthday From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 22:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10133; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0.bb9260b8.25825fff@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:41:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers???/Quiet switches for Headrush! Resent-Message-ID: <"-7o1Z3.0.V72.4USKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< Unfortunately they are SPST and cannot do the trick originally asked for >by Jack.... >> > >They can I believe, if he just doubles up the leads on the lugs. Not as >neat, but will work. > >hawkeye I really would not recommend doing this. You'd be crossing the two circuits in an unpredictable way which could damage the units. Please don't, unless you have some intimate knowledge of the circuitry that no one here has yet claimed to have. David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 10 22:45:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10134; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0.c666cd45.2581e881@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:41:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? Resent-Message-ID: <"Haddg3.0.j82.OUSKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 9:24 PM -0800 12/9/99, Jax1723@aol.com wrote: >>I was wondering: >>Say you had two non-midi loopers (headrush A and headrush B). Would it be >>possible to open them up, disconnect the footswitches in A; then hook up the >>footswitches in B to both units (i.e., one set of footswitches for two >>units)? The $64000 question is: Since both loops are starting/ending at the >>same time, would they stay in sync or IS THERE SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT WOULD >>CAUSE THE LOOPS TO FLUCTUATE? > >no, they won't stay in sync. You have some crystal oscillator clocking the >system logic of your headrushes. It is pretty much impossible for two clock >oscillators to have exactly the same frequency. They will be within some >tolerance, so they will be close, but not exact. Clock oscillator >frequencies will also drift a bit with temperature, age, and the tolerance >of the load caps on the crystal. If you have no feedback mechanism to keep >the clocks synchronized with each other, they will drift from each other. Absolutely true, but might there be some way for the two units to share one crystal/clock? >This means, you'll record two loops that will start off together. As they >loop, the slight differences will cause the loops to slowly drift apart, >causing phase problems, then flamming, then just odd rhythms. Sometimes >this can be obvious very quickly, sometimes slow. Just depends on the >natural random variance between the clocks on the two headrushes. Cool! This is just the way I'd want it, myself.... >This is the whole point of why midi sync exists. Pretty much any device >that is expected to continue running and staying together with other >devices uses it. (jamman and echoplex are two loopers that do.) Before midi >there were similar control voltage methods that did the same thing on older >synth/sequencers. Midi sync has limited precision, so on the Echoplex we >took this idea a step farther with BrotherSync. This actually synchronizes >the sample clocks of two or more echoplexes together, so they stay >perfectly in sync. It uses a sort of pll-like feedback system that can >change the frequencies of the clocks in each unit by small amount, >correcting for any error difference between them. Once they find >equilibrium, they stay there. So two echoplexes can stay locked together >very well. I think you can do this in a more limited fashion with midi sync >on a jamman, although then one unit will have to be slave to the other. > >If this is what you wanted to do, you got the wrong product. Headrush >doesn't have any sync features, it's just a simple pedal not intended for >such use. > >kim No doubt, the wrong product. Personally though, I think I'm actually happier with a Headrush and a couple of Zoom 2100's getting weird against each other than I was with the elaborate EDP. But maybe that's just my problem.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 00:35:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03784; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:35:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:35:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ea0dcea6.25833a0b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:24:27 EST Subject: Re: 01v To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"pLowV2.0.cj7.l0UKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't used the 01V with ADAT...BUT I have owned the original ProMix, then got the 01V (which is GREAT) actually alot of improvements over the original. Then I got an 02R with 4 ADATS, and that setup is perfect. I have never used the Dig cards on the 01V though. In a message dated 12/10/99 12:45:29 AM, permadan@yahoo.com writes: << Anyone use a adatm20 connected to an o1v? It's a setup I'm considering buying and I could use some feedback. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 00:39:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04636; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.39844085.25833c73@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:34:43 EST Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"PFnzT1.0.iw.MAUKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Personally though, I think I'm actually happier with a Headrush and a couple of Zoom 2100's getting weird against each other than I was with the elaborate EDP. But maybe that's just my problem.... David Myers >> Well, there are at least two of us with the same problem, David. ;-) And guess what is even worse about our being so enamored of these little Akai units... if I wanted to add a third looper to my 2-Headrush setup, I would have to go through the agony of walking down to my local, neighborhood music store and picking one up for $160-$170. Not wait indefinitely for one to come down the pipe again. (Is the term 'Vaporware' familiar to anyone?) Which I probably won't need to do, since all the possibilities I could ever want to try with looping on the gear I now have will take me a thousand years or so to realize. Or perhaps I'm just unimaginative. Like you, I setup (or allow) my loops to work away from each other on the two units. Gives an interesting, life-like growth > decay into chaos > new growth morphing into some new undulating wave of sound again, ad infinitum. Great for background textures & 'soundscapes'. I've got a lot of midi gear, if I want things in perfect sync. It's the more organic feeling, imperfectly synced loops that interest me. Just finished a CD, with looping on two of the cuts, btw. When I get time, the orders for more or rollng in everyday, I'll throw some mp3's up on the web. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 05:56:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24639; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:56:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3851E592.D8B04DE1@gis.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 06:48:09 +0100 From: Paul Sullivan Reply-To: paulsull@gis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: EDP for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Y2xL72.0._k5.5lYKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am selling an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with the latest version 5 software, loaded with a full 16 megs of memory giving it 198 seconds of looping capability. It is in perfect working order and almost mint condition. The rack unit is very clean,with no scratches even on the ears.The footswitch, which controls all of the functions, has one scratch, 1" long, above the Oberheim logo, plus a couple of small smudges, but works perfectly. I have the original box and manual for the rack unit, but not for the footswitch (which I had to buy seperately). It's an amazing and enrapturing piece of equipment, but I just haven't had the time to play with it and take advantage of all of its functions. I'm sending this email first to people who might be interested, and if no one responds I'll list it with ebay in a few days, with a reserve price of $800 plus shipping (which is what I paid for it a few months ago). Feel free to contact me with any questions. I have internet references. Thanks, Paul S. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 07:22:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07425; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:22:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991211072124.00839600@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:21:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: ot: expression pedal for vortex In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991210153644.007bd520@panther.middlebury.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"04iRW3.0.ab1.o3aKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey murkie At 03:36 PM 12/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >i know this has been covered in the past (mea culpa!) but i can't seem to >get that search engine at the l.d. archives to tell me... > >recomended expression pedal for the vortex? mine responds well to the Boss expression pedal (the old one,not the one with the cortd attached, though i will try that one later today) also- howsa bout a vol.pedal - thru a split stero caord. the vortex needs to see a stereo jack in there. later, andre' http://www.conservativessuck.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 14:42:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22472; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:42:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:42:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Cliff Cable" To: "Loopers List" Subject: PDS-8000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:36:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"XioOj2.0.iD5._UgKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all- Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try the trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no luck- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 16:59:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17066; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:59:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:59:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kenard@compuserve.com From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: RE: PDS-8000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:04:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"rnTH8.0.Zy3.WXiKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used to trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the pulse.... ken -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM To: Loopers List Subject: PDS-8000 Hi all- Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try the trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no luck- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 18:05:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28883; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:05:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001a01bf4298$64a59a60$2d20f7a5@ms579768> From: "Judson Crane" To: References: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:54:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"yFpwa1.0.Kr6.vUjKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Had the same problem with the search engine... I used the string 'Echoplex' and got 0 results. I'm in search of a looper--what kind of features does the PDS-8000 have and are they difficult to find? Does Frisell use one these days? Thanks, Jud ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Cable To: Loopers List Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:36 PM Subject: PDS-8000 > Hi all- > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try the > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no luck- > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 19:10:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08913; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007401bf4434$b12f04a0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Cliff Cable" To: References: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:06:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"grSvA3.0.-y1.SRkKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok- Thanks for the help Ken Here comes the obvious- Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 that is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would need a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do they give a reason why they included this feature? Thanks- ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used to > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the pulse.... > ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM > To: Loopers List > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > Hi all- > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try the > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no luck- > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 19:35:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13431; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:35:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008001bf4437$f54827e0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Cliff Cable" To: References: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> <001a01bf4298$64a59a60$2d20f7a5@ms579768> Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:29:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"D4Vmf.0.Mw2.OnkKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It has the following- Mode switch= 3 Modes- 8sec, 2sec, 500msec Delay Time- Knob, Regeneration- Knob, Mix- Knob Mode switch= Normal, Trigger, Sample Output knob Input knob 2 footswitches- 1) Repeat- Trigger/Sample 2) Bypass 2 LED indicators- 1) Infinite repeat 2) Effect Has standard 1/4" i/o and a "Trigger" input for a remote switch to trigger your sample in sample mode- switch needs to send a 5v signal to the unit to work. Thats all I know- don't know who uses them- yes you can find them fairly easily- I got mine from our fellow friendly list member Rich today! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judson Crane" To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:54 PM Subject: Re: PDS-8000 > Had the same problem with the search engine... > I used the string 'Echoplex' and got 0 results. > > I'm in search of a looper--what kind of features does the PDS-8000 have and > are they difficult to find? Does Frisell use one these days? > > Thanks, > Jud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cliff Cable > To: Loopers List > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:36 PM > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > > Hi all- > > > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try > the > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no > luck- > > > > Cliff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 20:00:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20127; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:00:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:00:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c93e0499.25844bc7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:52:23 EST Subject: GT5/GT3 questions To: taptalk@progrock.net, Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"0xklk3.0.SW4.y7lKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Questions: 1) re: the send/return loop on the Roland/Boss GT5 - can it be inserted anywhere in the effects chain or are you "stuck" with it being between the preamp and the effects algorithms? 2) Does the gt3 have a send/return loop? If so is it positionable w/in the effects chain? 2) is the send/return loop by-passable via an on board footswitch? -paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 20:20:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25261; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:20:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kenard@compuserve.com From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007401bf4434$b12f04a0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"uibZN1.0.kz5.KTlKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger pedal.... The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Ok- Thanks for the help Ken Here comes the obvious- Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 that is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would need a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do they give a reason why they included this feature? Thanks- ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used to > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the pulse.... > ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM > To: Loopers List > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > Hi all- > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try the > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no luck- > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 20:31:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27829; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:27:43 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PDS-8000 / archives In-reply-to: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MSMRP.0.Ua6.pelKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the >mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- >Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? There's nothing wrong with the archive itself. If you scroll down the main archive page you'll see where you can look through every post ever made, indexed by date, thread, or author. It's all divided up by month to make it relatively manageable. You can even download a mailbox file of each month which can be opened in most mail programs and read/searched that way on your own computer. It's the search engine part that keeps getting broken, so searches don't work very well. Eventually it will get fixed, but not today. You might try some of the major search engines, since the site is mostly indexed by all of them. with the right keywords you should be able to pull up pages from the LD archive. It's a little hit and miss that way though, since there are such a huge number of pages in the list archive and the big search engines seem a little bit lazy about actually indexing that many things. For those that don't know, the mailing list archive is here: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 21:07:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01923; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:07:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:07:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001301bf4444$92048d60$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Cliff Cable" To: References: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 (manual) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:59:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"JTAp03.0.i4.-5mKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Ken- If you scan the manual Kim might be able to add it to the new PDS page- most people post to the list first though before seaching the site :) I also just found out that the dalay signals become distorted as the battery becomes weak- weee. I am finding it quite nice to have a decent delay before my Jam Man- more possibilities- sounds nice! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger pedal.... > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 > > > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken > Here comes the obvious- > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 that > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would need > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do > they give a reason why they included this feature? > > Thanks- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken griffith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > > > > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it > > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used > to > > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the > pulse.... > > ken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM > > To: Loopers List > > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > > > > Hi all- > > > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try > the > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no > luck- > > > > Cliff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 21:39:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08182; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:39:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:31:48 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0.c666cd45.2581e881@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"q1A8y2.0.Fm1.9dmKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:41 PM -0800 12/10/99, David Myers wrote: >>At 9:24 PM -0800 12/9/99, Jax1723@aol.com wrote: >>>I was wondering: >>>Say you had two non-midi loopers (headrush A and headrush B). Would it be >>>possible to open them up, disconnect the footswitches in A; then hook up the >>>footswitches in B to both units (i.e., one set of footswitches for two >>>units)? The $64000 question is: Since both loops are starting/ending at the >>>same time, would they stay in sync or IS THERE SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT WOULD >>>CAUSE THE LOOPS TO FLUCTUATE? >> >>no, they won't stay in sync. You have some crystal oscillator clocking the >>system logic of your headrushes. It is pretty much impossible for two clock >>oscillators to have exactly the same frequency. They will be within some >>tolerance, so they will be close, but not exact. Clock oscillator >>frequencies will also drift a bit with temperature, age, and the tolerance >>of the load caps on the crystal. If you have no feedback mechanism to keep >>the clocks synchronized with each other, they will drift from each other. > >Absolutely true, but might there be some way for the two units to share one >crystal/clock? Not easily. Most convertors have their own crystal oscillator, so you would have to add a buffer chip to tap off the crystal input on one and drive it to the other. This clock will be either 16.934Mhz or 24.576MHz, high enough that sending it over a wire to some other unit will cause it to have a lot of reflection and ringing problems, certainly causing it to fail miserably. If you know what you are doing, you could choose a proper buffer IC, terminate properly, use the right kind of cable, and make this work, but then you are way outside the realm of amateur electronics hacking.....Consultants who know how to do this charge about $150/hr and up..... >>This means, you'll record two loops that will start off together. As they >>loop, the slight differences will cause the loops to slowly drift apart, >>causing phase problems, then flamming, then just odd rhythms. Sometimes >>this can be obvious very quickly, sometimes slow. Just depends on the >>natural random variance between the clocks on the two headrushes. > >Cool! This is just the way I'd want it, myself.... I'm guessing if he wanted to do that, he wouldn't have asked the question. :-) >>If this is what you wanted to do, you got the wrong product. Headrush >>doesn't have any sync features, it's just a simple pedal not intended for >>such use. >> >>kim > >No doubt, the wrong product. Personally though, I think I'm actually >happier with a Headrush and a couple of Zoom 2100's getting weird against >each other than I was with the elaborate EDP. But maybe that's just my >problem.... to each his own of course.....I find I can do far more useful as well as far more crazy stuff with a couple of echoplexes than you could ever hope to do with headrushes and zooms, and the echoplex is simpler to use too, but then I'm totally biased. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 21:43:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08606; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:43:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:43:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:39:53 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: PMC-10 X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.103 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ypC-R.0.912.7imKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thought there used to be a picture of the PMC-10 on Loopers D , now I cant find it :( What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 22:19:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15623; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:19:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:19:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991211220200.007b2100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:02:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: PDS-8000 / archives In-Reply-To: References: <004901bf440f$137cafc0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qWv4o2.0.513.w0nKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:27 PM 12/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > You might try >some of the major search engines, since the site is mostly indexed by all >of them. with the right keywords you should be able to pull up pages from >the LD archive. It's a little hit and miss that way though, since there are >such a huge number of pages in the list archive and the big search engines >seem a little bit lazy about actually indexing that many things. > I just tried an unscientific experiment with Dogpile by typing in Looper's + a search subject. AltaVista won hands down for the largest number of matches. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 11 22:44:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21372; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:44:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991211223939.007b4340@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:39:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? In-Reply-To: References: <0.c666cd45.2581e881@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9Dv4q2.0.uz4.CanKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:31 PM 12/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >.....I find I can do far more useful as well as >far more crazy stuff with a couple of echoplexes than you could ever hope >to do with headrushes and zooms, and the echoplex is simpler to use too, >but then I'm totally biased. :-) Although if we only consider units manufactured and shipped in the past year, it's a safe bet headrushes and zooms have not only been more useful and crazy, they've also been AVAILABLE! Sure, we'd all love to be using a couple Echoplexi but ya cain't use what ya cain't git. (Anyone from Gibson listening? :^} or the SPCA, as I flog that dead horse... Trace Elliot to the rescue...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 00:42:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16254; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:42:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991212045803.26395.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: ot: expression pedal for vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"EBN2a.0.Ls.UjoKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >recomended expression pedal for the vortex? I use a Roland EV-5 with mine. It comes with an attached cable. I've also tried the volume pedal w/ insert cable method. It was a DOD VC-C1. This was not as good as the Roland because it does not have a linear pot. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 01:48:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28143; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:48:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:48:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991212061200.58602.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.94.200] From: "Greg S." To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991211072124.00839600@mail.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: ot: expression pedal for vortex Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:14:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"BQGgq1.0.DH5.HppKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've used a BOSS FV-L (line level, not guitar level) and a stereo insert cable with the Vortex and had perfect results. Vortex responds to the full range of the pedal. > mine responds well to the Boss expression pedal (the old one,not the one > with the cortd attached, though i will try that one later today) > > also- howsa bout a vol.pedal - thru a split stero caord. the vortex needs > to see a stereo jack in there. > > later, andre' > http://www.conservativessuck.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 02:26:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02446; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 02:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 02:26:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <0.50b8023d.25849c9c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:37:16 EST Subject: randomART/ObjectSubject To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Resent-Message-ID: <"0H16t1.0.RQ6.2BqKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those that are interested ive created 2 mailing lists please take a look to see if its of any interest http://www.onelist.com/community/randomART and http://www.onelist.com/community/ObjectSubject rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 03:33:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13566; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:33:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385353F4.E62EC411@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:51:16 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rp@homer.harman-dod.com" , "Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com" , Loopers Delight , "johnson-amp@homer.harman-dod.com" Subject: Advice Needed on CD Burners Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w255K3.0.kp1.iHrKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank you for all your guidance on buying the best CD burner / software program. your input was succesfully helpful. my current question would require a click from you to the sonic foundry's site. please crirueqe this CD Factory package for better or worse. i found a registard used version of this combo plus a current version of Acid Pro 2. for the grand total of 475. it seems a great find. please let me know what you think. thank you in advance for your time. http://www.sonicfoundry.com/PRODUCTS/ShowProduct.asp?PID=19 peace jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 04:04:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18512; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:04:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912120859.AAA00189@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:03:31 -0700 Subject: Re: PDS-8000 (manual) From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"F8vl9.0.nH4.oFsKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes Please scan and post for us guys who have picked up one of these badboys over the years w/ no paperwork included-I'd love to know what this unit really does(or doesn't do,as the case may be!),thanx...STANNER ---------- >From: "ken griffith" >To: >Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) >Date: Sat, Dec 11, 1999, 6:24 PM > > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger pedal.... > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 > > > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken > Here comes the obvious- > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 that > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would need > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do > they give a reason why they included this feature? > > Thanks- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken griffith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > > >> Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it >> needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used > to >> trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the > pulse.... >> ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM >> To: Loopers List >> Subject: PDS-8000 >> >> >> Hi all- >> >> Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the >> mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- >> Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? >> Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try > the >> trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no > luck- >> >> Cliff >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 12:53:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29978; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:53:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3853DFEB.D41EBB23@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:48:27 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers???/Quiet switches for Headrush! References: <0.d39b4e33.25824fef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-UPVO.0.Rv6.20-Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thank you H.Eye. very informative. jimmy george Hawkeye255@aol.com wrote: > jack, > Good Idea! They should stay perfectly in sync. And the switches inside > the Headrush are DPDT (push/push) so you even have extra lugs on each switch > to do it. Aaaaand one wall wart is plenty, just make up a pig-tailed Y-plug > for one of them. I use this all the time. For instance, I have had two Korg > X5DR's running off one wall wart for two years now and both my Headrushes are > on another, etc. Works fine. > I use my Headrushes differently than you suggest however. One's 'mix > out' goes to the other's 'input'. That ultimately gives me a 23 second loop > with many, many, many layers, if I so choose. > Btw: I have found much quieter switches for the Headrush too, if you do a > lot of vocal or acoustic instrument looping in a very quiet room where the > click of the switches is picked up by your mic(s). Alcoswitch Part# > MPG-106D. SPDT. They are not the 'combat strength' switches the originals > are however. I remounted the original switches on mine with rubber washers > and that helped soften the click sufficiently for me. > > good luck, > 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 13:46:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18836; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:46:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:46:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006c01bf44d0$a47858a0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Cliff Cable" To: References: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 / archives Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:42:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QQrbw2.0.DT4.tn-Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I downloaded the raw archive which is a txt file- not a mail file- how do you open it in a mail program? I use Outlook express or Navigator- neither will import txt file- Thanks Cliff Kim wrote- >You can even download a mailbox file of each month > which can be opened in most mail programs and read/searched that way on > your own computer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 13:34:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16540; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:34:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:34:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <3853EA50.C1FC5502@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:32:48 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music References: <19991212115035.26332.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Vrb43.0.sm3.Xc-Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com John Tidwell wrote: > I started out by using the DL-4 in the effects loop of > my Digitech 2120. This was OK, but the effects loop is > mono so I was missing a lot. I then tried running the > stereo outputs of the 2120 to the stereo inputs of the > DL-4. This was much better. > Hi John. What I still don't know: is the *looper* on the DL-4 true stereo? And another question: when you're not doing any overdubs and just play the loop, will it loop forever or is the sound slowly decaying? Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 14:42:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03149; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:42:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3853F805.355F5D70@clubhouseinc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:31:17 -0500 From: Daniel Goodwin Reply-To: clubswami@clubhouseinc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music References: <19991212115035.26332.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> <3853EA50.C1FC5502@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vV_eC.0.TP.fa_Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The DL4 does not loop in stereo......it sums the loop to mono, while it has stereo through for the non loor part......Also, the sound slowly decays over about five minutes...... Not a very good feature DJG From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 14:56:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08397; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:56:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:56:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912121951.LAA10360@penguin.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music Date: Sun, 12 Dec 99 11:51:37 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"_k_Me.0.Ea1.bp_Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi John. >What I still don't know: is the *looper* on the DL-4 true >stereo? And another question: when you're not doing >any overdubs and just play the loop, will it loop forever >or is the sound slowly decaying? > >Thanks, >Robert > The output of the recorded loop is summed to mono, the input remains true stereo (ie. you feed a stereo signal into the DL4, the L/R channels remain separate, however, anything recorded in the loop is summed to mono, while through signals remain stereo) When not in overdub mode, there is no generational decay in the loop recording, so as long as that overdub LED is not lit, it will loop forever. George Van Wagner From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 15:00:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09806; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:00:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:00:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: FYI: The December Full Moon Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:46:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <385353F4.E62EC411@jimmygeorgearts.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Gex0Q3.0.r02.-s_Ku"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think everybody will want to know this. I didn't waste Loopers' bandwidth so posted it to the Web. I got this in the e-mail this morning: http://www.gnominus.org/misc/moon_22Dec1999.htm How about gathering the gear and going outside to loop all night then? Too cold perhaps... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 15:46:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22202; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:46:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912122041.PAA20128@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:03:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ERgSD2.0.tw4.kX0Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry I'm a bit late responding. My ISP turned to shit for a couple of weeks. >> With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't see >> myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The >> combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make for >> some amazing possiblities. > > Yeah, but they harmonize in ji??? I'm not certain about actually harmonizing in JI, however it does do pitch shifts with resolution in cents (+/- 4 octaves) in cents. Since Eventide doesn't have manuals online, we'd have to find someone who has one & see if the harmonizations can be fine-tuned in cents. Or possibly by download the Mac or Win editor & looking at the parameters. The possiblities from the pitch shifted multi-tap delays alone are intriguing. JI should be possible with a 1 cent resolution. The price for the GTR4000 with the sampling board starts close to $5000, I think. Is the price justifiable ? Probably. Far as I can tell it's the only step up from Lexicon's MPX-G2. And in a totally different class. http://www.eventide.com Salut, - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 16:54:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17900; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:54:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912122145.QAA14405@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:16:11 +0000 Subject: New Zoom efx box From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mPj7t1.0.OY3.pT1Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GFX-8 Guitar Multi-Effects Console from Zoom "25 second phrase sampler /12 second JAM PLAY feature. You can Alter the speed of your samples withoutchanging the pitch." http://www.harmonycentral.com/Newp/1999/GFX-8.html http://www.samsontech.com/zoom/multiconsoles.html - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 17:30:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28623; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:30:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <0.65efad4c.25857aca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:25:14 EST Subject: Re: New Zoom efx box To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"_rt7H.0.gp6.j32Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/12/99 9:54:12 PM, skyfyre_dys@yahoo.com writes: << "25 second phrase sampler /12 second JAM PLAY feature. >> Yes, but as far as I can tell from the manual (PDF download) you can't overdub in either of these two modes. For overdub looping it looks like you're limited to using the six sec. (that's max) delay mode, then, to put the delays in "non fade" mode, program the cc pedal to crank the delay feedback to max - not sure if there's an assignable "hold" button. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 18:03:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03637; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:03:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:03:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:54:50 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PDS-8000 / archives In-reply-to: <006c01bf44d0$a47858a0$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"GBouE1.0.BS.3X2Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cliff said: >I downloaded the raw archive which is a txt file- not a mail file- how do >you open it in a mail program? I use Outlook express or Navigator- neither >will import txt file- >Kim wrote- > >>You can even download a mailbox file of each month >> which can be opened in most mail programs and read/searched that way on >> your own computer. It's a standard UUCP mailbox format, which basically is a text file formatted in a particular way. This is the way mail servers generally store mail, and the way most mail clients deal with mail since it's a long-established standard. Netscape and Microsoft have a long tradition of ignoring standards, so there's no telling what they do. I'd be very surprised if there is not way to open such a file in those programs, but I don't use them so I don't know what it would be. They have to support the UUCP mailbox format in some fashion, or they wouldn't be able to download mail from the vast majority of mail servers in the world. I know with eudora, you can simply open these files like any mailbox, since eudora uses the same UUCP format for its own mail files. I think most mail programs work that way. If Navigator and Outlook express can't do this, then you've got yet one more argument to add to the thousands already available for not using those programs for email. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 19:00:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16400; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:00:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:00:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001b01bf44fb$70bedd60$576fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: "Loopers" Subject: chord generator Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:48:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"7LhEV1.0.yj3.RO3Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.wans.net/~oiadd/guitar_chords_site/index1.htm hit the tuning you want at the top of the page, then the chord you want at the top. have fun. this isn't my page, just ran into it one day. postaldave@qx.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 12 20:26:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07539; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d136bda3.2585a394@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:19:16 EST Subject: sync-ing non-midi loopers/ cheap stereo loopers??? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"f5PRe1.0.BV1.xc4Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/12/1999 1:15:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > >>This means, you'll record two loops that will start off together. As they > >>loop, the slight differences will cause the loops to slowly drift apart, > >>causing phase problems, then flamming, then just odd rhythms. Sometimes > >>this can be obvious very quickly, sometimes slow. Just depends on the > >>natural random variance between the clocks on the two headrushes. > > > >Cool! This is just the way I'd want it, myself.... > > I'm guessing if he wanted to do that, he wouldn't have asked the question. :-) Actually, I only own one headrush and have no intention of doing any mods to it. I was just putting some food for thought out there -- just wondering if it was possible. I too really enjoy the chaos of two unsynced loopers (if you allow me to call a pds pedal a looper). cheers jack From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 00:12:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22529; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:12:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991213000439.0097d2f0@pop-server> X-Sender: pvallad1@pop-server X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality In-Reply-To: <199912122041.PAA20128@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Hi6sF3.0.9C5.Mz7Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:03 AM 12/13/99 +0000, you wrote: >Sorry I'm a bit late responding. My ISP turned to shit for a couple of >weeks. > >>> With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't see >>> myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The >>> combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make for >>> some amazing possiblities. >> >> Yeah, but they harmonize in ji??? > >I'm not certain about actually harmonizing in JI, however it does do pitch >shifts with resolution in cents (+/- 4 octaves) in cents. Since Eventide >doesn't have manuals online, we'd have to find someone who has one & see if >the harmonizations can be fine-tuned in cents. Or possibly by download the >Mac or Win editor & looking at the parameters. The possiblities from the >pitch shifted multi-tap delays alone are intriguing. JI should be possible >with a 1 cent resolution. Somebody (might have been someone on this very list) directed me to the Trey Gunn website, in which Gunn relates how he used his GTR4000 as a solution to the problem of playing with a performer (I recall somebody who had studied Indian classical singing) who does not play in equal temperament. Apparently, the GTR4000 has a pitch correction feature that gives the user some flexibility - it allowed Trey to set up his GTR4000 to "correct" the pitches of his 12ET Warr Guitar to the non-equal-tempered scale the singer was using. Its in his road diary at http://www.treygunn.com. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 03:09:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29259; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:09:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991213073607.16748.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: DL4 Review To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"xRl7h1.0.HU5.g7ALu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry I was not around to answer the questions raised by my posting, but there's probably no one better to answer questions than George Van Wagner. He's part of the brain trust at Line 6. He's even mentioned in the manual! I going to risk incurring the wrath of GVW,(something I made the mistake of doing over on Guitar Forum about a year ago), by saying that you can loop in stereo on the DL-4. You just can't do it using the Looper mode. If you're one of those folks who are into short loops (2.5 sec & under), you can do the following: 1) set the bypass to "thru delay" rather than "true bypass" 2) dial up a stereo delay model 3) set delay time. You're pretty much doing this by ear, as there are no numbers to indicate time, just hash marks. 4) set feedback to just under max. 5) play some stuff 6) move feedback to max 7) hit the bypass switch You have now captured the loop & can play over it without adding to it. Of course, there are limitations. Once you've hit the bypass switch, you can't add overdubs. Hitting the bypass switch again kills the loop & returns you to the delay model. I'm not sure if the loop goes on infinitely using this method. I did spend 5 or 10 minutes playing over one of these short loops & did not notice any decay. I hope I've not come across as nit-picky. I just find that it's yet another neat feature of this device. John --- George Van Wagner wrote: > The output of the recorded loop is summed to mono, > the input remains true > stereo (ie. you feed a stereo signal into the DL4, > the L/R channels > remain separate, however, anything recorded in the > loop is summed to > mono, while through signals remain stereo) > > When not in overdub mode, there is no generational > decay in the loop > recording, so as long as that overdub LED is not > lit, it will loop > forever. > > George Van Wagner > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 05:58:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27113; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:58:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bf4558$39525980$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Clifford Bosephius Alexander" To: References: Subject: PDS-8000 Trigger Port Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:53:00 -0800 Organization: Fat Cat Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"r8-tX.0.VM6.h_CLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I know why there is a separate trigger input on this PDS 8000 aside from the drum machine operation listed below- If the unit is in sample mode you can only record samples with the Repeat- Trigger/Sample footswitch- unless you reach down and move the switch out of Sample mode and into Trigger mode- so the extra switch probably allows you to record samples and trigger them all with footswitches on the fly- neat! Its fun to play with the trigger in sample mode- can anyone say L-l-l-l-l-looper? Weee... Cliff PS- Anyone know a drum machine that puts out a 5v pulse? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger pedal.... > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 > > > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken > Here comes the obvious- > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 that > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would need > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do > they give a reason why they included this feature? > > Thanks- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken griffith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > > > > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input jack....it > > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be used > to > > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the > pulse.... > > ken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM > > To: Loopers List > > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > > > > Hi all- > > > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching the > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- strange- > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try > the > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no > luck- > > > > Cliff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 09:22:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02704; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:22:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:22:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991213141311.47502.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.10] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:13:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-DJdp1.0.eE.OyFLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Roland GR 30 has soome great sitar sounds. Does anyone know how to get the drums off to just have the sitar sound? Happy Hollidays >From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:39 -0500 > >At 02:03 AM 12/13/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Sorry I'm a bit late responding. My ISP turned to shit for a couple of > >weeks. > > > >>> With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't >see > >>> myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The > >>> combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make >for > >>> some amazing possiblities. > >> > >> Yeah, but they harmonize in ji??? > > > >I'm not certain about actually harmonizing in JI, however it does do >pitch > >shifts with resolution in cents (+/- 4 octaves) in cents. Since Eventide > >doesn't have manuals online, we'd have to find someone who has one & see >if > >the harmonizations can be fine-tuned in cents. Or possibly by download >the > >Mac or Win editor & looking at the parameters. The possiblities from the > >pitch shifted multi-tap delays alone are intriguing. JI should be >possible > >with a 1 cent resolution. > >Somebody (might have been someone on this very list) directed me to the >Trey Gunn website, in which Gunn relates how he used his GTR4000 as a >solution to the problem of playing with a performer (I recall somebody who >had studied Indian classical singing) who does not play in equal >temperament. Apparently, the GTR4000 has a pitch correction feature that >gives the user some flexibility - it allowed Trey to set up his GTR4000 to >"correct" the pitches of his 12ET Warr Guitar to the non-equal-tempered >scale the singer was using. Its in his road diary at >http://www.treygunn.com. > >Paolo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 09:48:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09472; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:48:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Mike Guadagno" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bf4577$a8c87f00$1400000a@ntserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0.ea0dcea6.25833a0b@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ff1GT1.0.Dr1.tKGLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 12:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 01v I haven't used the 01V with ADAT...BUT I have owned the original ProMix, then got the 01V (which is GREAT) actually alot of improvements over the original. Then I got an 02R with 4 ADATS, and that setup is perfect. I have never used the Dig cards on the 01V though. In a message dated 12/10/99 12:45:29 AM, permadan@yahoo.com writes: << Anyone use a adatm20 connected to an o1v? It's a setup I'm considering buying and I could use some feedback. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 10:22:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20837; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:22:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:22:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912131514.HAA19224@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: DL4 Review Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 07:14:17 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"IGcTp3.0.SU4.QrGLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow! I didn't even know that I had wrath! You're absolutely right, John, if a 2.5 second loop will do ya (and I for one love using the Sweep Echo for something like that), that's a way to keep a true stereo loop. If you've got the feedback set high enough, you shouldn't get any appreciable decay. Personally, I prefer the alternate bypass mode, anyway, since it doesn't cut off my delay tails. George >Sorry I was not around to answer the questions raised >by my posting, but there's probably no one better to >answer questions than George Van Wagner. He's part of >the brain trust at Line 6. He's even mentioned in the >manual! > >I going to risk incurring the wrath of GVW,(something >I made the mistake of doing over on Guitar Forum about >a year ago), by saying that you can loop in stereo on >the DL-4. You just can't do it using the Looper mode. > >If you're one of those folks who are into short loops >(2.5 sec & under), you can do the following: > >1) set the bypass to "thru delay" rather than "true > bypass" >2) dial up a stereo delay model >3) set delay time. You're pretty much doing this by > ear, as there are no numbers to indicate time, just > hash marks. >4) set feedback to just under max. >5) play some stuff >6) move feedback to max >7) hit the bypass switch > >You have now captured the loop & can play over it >without adding to it. Of course, there are >limitations. >Once you've hit the bypass switch, you can't add >overdubs. Hitting the bypass switch again kills the >loop & returns you to the delay model. > >I'm not sure if the loop goes on infinitely using this >method. I did spend 5 or 10 minutes playing over one >of these short loops & did not notice any decay. > >I hope I've not come across as nit-picky. I just find >that it's yet another neat feature of this device. > >John > > > >--- George Van Wagner wrote: >> The output of the recorded loop is summed to mono, >> the input remains true >> stereo (ie. you feed a stereo signal into the DL4, >> the L/R channels >> remain separate, however, anything recorded in the >> loop is summed to >> mono, while through signals remain stereo) >> >> When not in overdub mode, there is no generational >> decay in the loop >> recording, so as long as that overdub LED is not >> lit, it will loop >> forever. >> >> George Van Wagner >> >> > > > > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 10:22:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20925; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:22:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Mike Guadagno" To: Subject: remove Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf457a$c7dd9ee0$1400000a@ntserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19991213141311.47502.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"LlGWt3.0.QK3.pfGLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com remove -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 9:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality The Roland GR 30 has soome great sitar sounds. Does anyone know how to get the drums off to just have the sitar sound? Happy Hollidays >From: pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Indian/middle eastern sounds, microtonality >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:39 -0500 > >At 02:03 AM 12/13/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Sorry I'm a bit late responding. My ISP turned to shit for a couple of > >weeks. > > > >>> With re. to looping, one piece of gear that fascinates me & I can't >see > >>> myself owning anytime in the near future is Eventide's GTR4000. The > >>> combination of the elaborate delays & harmonizing schemes should make >for > >>> some amazing possiblities. > >> > >> Yeah, but they harmonize in ji??? > > > >I'm not certain about actually harmonizing in JI, however it does do >pitch > >shifts with resolution in cents (+/- 4 octaves) in cents. Since Eventide > >doesn't have manuals online, we'd have to find someone who has one & see >if > >the harmonizations can be fine-tuned in cents. Or possibly by download >the > >Mac or Win editor & looking at the parameters. The possiblities from the > >pitch shifted multi-tap delays alone are intriguing. JI should be >possible > >with a 1 cent resolution. > >Somebody (might have been someone on this very list) directed me to the >Trey Gunn website, in which Gunn relates how he used his GTR4000 as a >solution to the problem of playing with a performer (I recall somebody who >had studied Indian classical singing) who does not play in equal >temperament. Apparently, the GTR4000 has a pitch correction feature that >gives the user some flexibility - it allowed Trey to set up his GTR4000 to >"correct" the pitches of his 12ET Warr Guitar to the non-equal-tempered >scale the singer was using. Its in his road diary at >http://www.treygunn.com. > >Paolo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 11:31:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08364; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:31:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:31:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DAC8@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: tap/delay pedal Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:23:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xg8Wc3.0.Ye1.8sHLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I am using a pedal for tap delay things, but should I be using a momentary type switch for this? It just seems I am wearing out this particular pedal/switch. Instead of tap/delay it's more liek stomp delay. any suggestions? Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com - From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 12:09:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17905; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:09:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:09:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:49:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, PMimlitsch@aol.com, Sticknews@aol.com, STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net Subject: Re: GT5/GT3 questions Resent-Message-ID: <"AziSd1.0.uF3.zEILu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> 12/11 4:57 PM >>> > Questions: > 1) re: the send/return loop on the Roland/Boss GT5 - can it be inserted anywhere in the effects chain or are you "stuck" with it being between the preamp and the effects algorithms? Anywhere you want... > 2) Does the gt3 have a send/return loop? If so is it positionable w/in the effects chain? > 2) is the send/return loop by-passable via an on board footswitch? Not entirely sure, but get the impression it does, and you can assign a footswitch to perform the bypass function. The GT-5 does all of the above and is still the preferable product of the two IMO. The midi on the GT-5 is about the best I've seen on any dsp, although it's still not that great at controlling external devices with it's midi out. But for internal stuff to the GT-5? AWESOME! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 12:12:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18485; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:12:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:12:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991213085145.00830a80@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:51:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Welcome GVW In-Reply-To: <199912131514.HAA19224@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"RWpzX1.0.l74.MUILu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers, I just wanted to welcome George Van Wagner from Line6 to the mailing list. He has been very informative at the Line6 forum for me and alot of other folks. Hi George! Did you show off the DL-4 at the LA L6 users group? Thanks for a great pedal...and a cool manual to boot! I know you guys have had alot of POD version 2 requests. So here goes my Dl-4 version 2 request. Hell, this thing hasn't been out a month and we're trying to revise... Make the pedal a bit larger to accommodate a 5th switch. Make it a dedicated reverse switch in LOOP mode. (that double click thing is a bit too tricky for me, especially live). In delay mode, could it be used for INFINITE REPEAT? That, in conjunction with a bit more delay time...(4-12 second range?) would combine to make an unbeatable pedal IMO. It's still an awesome piece for the money. seeya! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 12:33:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24869; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:33:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:33:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:10:35 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Tsanz@svg.com, robnet@wxs.nl Subject: Re: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music Resent-Message-ID: <"cPZ5E2.0.PT4.pYILu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > What I still don't know: is the *looper* on the DL-4 true stereo? And another question: when you're not doing any overdubs and just play the loop, will it loop forever or is the sound slowly decaying? Most of the delays are mono, a couple have stereo effects, but the DL4 DOES pass a stereo signal. But the looper is mono and so is the delay preceding it. For instance... if you loop square wave panning, (which I do a bit of on my Boss GT-5) when the first repetition begins, the panning disappears and sounds like a smooth note again (for the most part) stereo image GONE... Also chorus/flange stuff just doesn't retain it's pizazz when the reps start and they repeat in mono. This is why I stereoize my EDP (and previously my JamMan)... and why I ultimately want a second EDP. I'm getting sick of losing my original stereo image and having to poorly recreate it with a secondary stereoizer. While it seems that the majority of the DL4 delay models can be 100% wet and work well on an aux send, they've left this off the looper. This seems to be a strange compromise considering they've provided it elsewhere in all the other models. There's always going to be dry signal present and this will cause phase problems. Repeats appear to regenerate indefinitely when not overdubbing. Even when overdubbing, they still hang in there for a LONG time. I put it on overdub and input nothing to test how quickly the level reduces, and it's a long wait for any appreciable reduction in level. You CAN just reach down to the mix control and balance things which is quite nice. It's very responsive and not overly sensitive... very user friendly. It's also cool that you can turn the mix down completely for loading a ton of information into the box for later use by turning up the mix knob... And... I was using the C batteries and still going strong after 2 hours... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 13:29:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06423; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:29:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:29:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38553953.B00D7219@clubhouseinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:22:12 -0500 From: Daniel Goodwin Reply-To: clubswami@clubhouseinc.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Welcome GVW References: <3.0.6.32.19991213085145.00830a80@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JgBTE3.0.e11.taJLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have another revision.............true stereo loops........... I am most likely going to return the DL4 because of this...... DJG From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 13:38:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08870; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:38:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:38:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:32:31 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Welcome GVW Resent-Message-ID: <"6wqMy.0.Pj1.2lJLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just wanted to welcome George Van Wagner from Line6 to the mailing list. Seconded, glad to see a new company producing quality, groundbreaking products, especially looping ones! >I know you guys have had alot of POD version 2 requests. So here goes my >Dl-4 version 2 request. Hell, this thing hasn't been out a month and we're >trying to revise... > >Make the pedal a bit larger to accommodate a 5th switch. Make it a >dedicated reverse switch in LOOP mode. (that double click thing is a bit >too tricky for me, especially live). In delay mode, could it be used for >INFINITE REPEAT? That, in conjunction with a bit more delay time...(4-12 >second range?) would combine to make an unbeatable pedal IMO. In addition George, please, 100% wet output from the looper so we can use it off a mixer send! As far as the extra switch, how about just allowing a choice in software of using that single trigger switch for reverse? I suspect the single trigger switch isn't as useful to loopers as the other functions. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 13:52:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12258; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:52:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:52:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38553C0B.67819538@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:33:56 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Welcome GVW References: <3.0.6.32.19991213085145.00830a80@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RUmjz2.0.Ll1.RlJLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the welcome, Rich. Yup, showed the DL-4 and gave a sneak preview of the MM-4 (modulation modeler) at the LAUG meeting. As always, we try and listen to user feedback, but I can't make any promises (especially if they entail changing the physical chassis, which means retooling completely). I've been using the pedal since early October, at this point, and have adapted to using the control functions in the loop mode pretty well. In an optimistic spin on Murphy's Law, I'll say that there's always room for improvement, though, and we certainly take all input under consideration. George Rich wrote: > > Hey Loopers, > > I just wanted to welcome George Van Wagner from Line6 to the mailing list. > He has been very informative at the Line6 forum for me and alot of other > folks. Hi George! Did you show off the DL-4 at the LA L6 users group? > > Thanks for a great pedal...and a cool manual to boot! > > I know you guys have had alot of POD version 2 requests. So here goes my > Dl-4 version 2 request. Hell, this thing hasn't been out a month and we're > trying to revise... > > Make the pedal a bit larger to accommodate a 5th switch. Make it a > dedicated reverse switch in LOOP mode. (that double click thing is a bit > too tricky for me, especially live). In delay mode, could it be used for > INFINITE REPEAT? That, in conjunction with a bit more delay time...(4-12 > second range?) would combine to make an unbeatable pedal IMO. > > It's still an awesome piece for the money. > > seeya! > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 14:00:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14858; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:52:51 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, vanwag@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Welcome GVW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA12378 Resent-Message-ID: <"CdeLO.0.i13.j2KLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi George and welcome! This is probably something you've heard on the list from others as well as me... Mix on all delay models is 100% dry to 100% wet... why wasn't this done on the Loop Sampler just for the sake of consistency? it goes from 100% dry to around ~ 40% dry-60% wet. Phase problems occur on an aux send with this sort of mix. Is it true that disengaging bypass reinitializes the delay model and you dump your delays as well as return to the model's default settings unless they've been stored? If so... this is another nit. Bypass shouldn't flush the buffer and your delays should just keep on truckin' so you can input more material, bypass and play over, then disengage and add again and again etc.... (Gotta test this one and find out for myself.) >> Mark Landman also adds... >> As far as the extra switch, how about just allowing a choice in software of using that single trigger switch for reverse? I suspect the single trigger switch isn't as useful to loopers as the other functions. I second this... maybe this could be another secret mode when plugging in like the delay spillover. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 14:19:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19083; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:19:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:19:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:59:12 -0600 Subject: tc D Two manual posted online From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qZsnu3.0.YQ3.F8KLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.tcelectronic.com/download/manuals/index.htm TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 15:16:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00763; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:16:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:16:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912131959.OAA29118@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:48:20 +0000 Subject: VST effects for your PowerMac From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"W4z0i1.0.G77.70LLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know if y'all know about Eloy Anzola's xVst00.04 xVst is a small app that will loop an Audio File trough a VST plug-in, and save the result as an AIFF file. xVst is freeware. It needs a Mac PowerPC to run. It was made using the MAX/MSP tools. SuperSonicGroovyMilkShakes http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet/ Download form : http://home.earthlink.net/~leaddaet/max/xvst.sit I don't remember how I got hold of it. Anyway, it works & is great fun. I've run : Steinberg's neato freeware Karlette, a 4-head tape delay effect, max delay time for me is 2 seconds. I don't know why it has this limit or whether this is not a limit & I just don't know how to work it. ftp.steinberg.net/dist/product_support/mac/vst_plugins/Karlette.sea.hqx ------ Also : KwikKomp a freeware compressor http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/synchromesh/bin/KwikKompMac.sit.hqx ------ I also got the GrooveDelay XT 1.3.4 demo, but it doesn't seem to work. http://www.neurosonic-systems.de/GDelay-XT-Demo.hqx - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 15:10:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31893; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:10:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:10:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912131959.OAA29164@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:29:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar - H3000 From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"06Pqn1.0.q87.D0LLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Alex, When you specify a user scale for harmonisation in the H3000, can you fine tune each note in the scale in cents, or is it just standard choices form the chromatic scale, with no fine tuning ? Paolo, Thanks for that info on the GTR4000 ! You can do stuff like this (intonation correction/alteration)using Antares AutoTune. http://www.antares.com And possibly using TC Electronics' Intonator, though I think this one is onley for voice. http://www.tcelectronic.com -drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 16:14:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15397; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:14:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:14:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385556AA.8F10973@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:27:22 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GT5/GT3 questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S1i441.0.Fu.NRLLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my 2 cents, the GT-3 has a loop but it only replaces the overdrive/distortsion and is not movable. This is why I now have the GT- 5 among other reasons. The Gt-5 has a great loop insert that you can put anywhere in the chain. Its great IMHO. jd Mike Biffle wrote: > >>> 12/11 4:57 PM >>> > > Questions: > > 1) re: the send/return loop on the Roland/Boss GT5 - can it be > inserted anywhere in the effects chain or are you "stuck" with it > being between the preamp and the effects algorithms? > > Anywhere you want... > > > 2) Does the gt3 have a send/return loop? If so is it positionable > w/in the effects chain? > > 2) is the send/return loop by-passable via an on board footswitch? > > Not entirely sure, but get the impression it does, and you can assign > a footswitch to perform the bypass function. The GT-5 does all of the > above and is still the preferable product of the two IMO. The midi on > the GT-5 is about the best I've seen on any dsp, although it's still > not that great at controlling external devices with it's midi out. But > for internal stuff to the GT-5? AWESOME! > > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 16:38:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20303; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991213073607.16748.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:34:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: DL4 question Resent-Message-ID: <"LQ5F_3.0.6a4.lLMLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Couldn't find this in the on-line manual, so could someone please drop me answer... What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:08:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27676; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:08:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:08:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38556C76.85D6009A@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:00:22 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port References: <000b01bf4558$39525980$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eh2UY3.0.OL6.eoMLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I use an ancient Roland TR-626 Rhythm composer,it accepts and sends midi but it also allows a +5v pulse at whatever point in the pattern. I use it to sync my 7.6 Time Machine into the midi realm. it has a CVpulse output jack on the back. jd Clifford Bosephius Alexander wrote: > PS- Anyone know a drum machine that puts out a 5v pulse? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken griffith" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:24 PM > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) > > > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" > > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay > > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a > > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger > > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger > pedal.... > > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine > > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, > > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 > > > > > > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken > > Here comes the obvious- > > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 > that > > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would > need > > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do > > they give a reason why they included this feature? > > > > Thanks- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ken griffith" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM > > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 > > > > > > > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input > jack....it > > > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be > used > > to > > > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the > > pulse.... > > > ken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff > Cable > > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM > > > To: Loopers List > > > Subject: PDS-8000 > > > > > > > > > Hi all- > > > > > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching > the > > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- > strange- > > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? > > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try > > the > > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no > > luck- > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:22:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30853; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:22:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:22:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c71f64e5.2586c977@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:13:11 EST Subject: Re: DL4 question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"iL_Lk.0.617.P-MLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just set myself up yesterday, as there were no Line 6 power supplies available from the stores. It's the same PS as the POD. On the back of the DL-4 at the power input jack it reads: 9 VAC 1200 mA minimum >From my local electronics shop I found a 9VAC wall wart rated at 1500mA. It works great BUT if you go get one make sure it has the slightly LARGER diameter opening on the plug that goes into the pedal. I had to replace the one on what I bought with that larger (2.55mm I believe?) size, only after bringing it home and finding out that it didn't fit. There are only two sizesof that type, and it's the larger one. The PS was $8.50 and the additional plug was 62 cents. You might want to keep in mind that the POD/DL4 power supply is not so much a wall wart but has the transformer mid-cable between ends. This is usually helpful but in my live rig it would be an extra lumpy thing to put somewhere when setting up. In this case I actually prefer wall warts, I have a power strip that they all fit onto nicely. My Boomerang PS also works fine with the DL4, but only in a pinch as I like the Rang as looper and DL4 as 'traditional' delay/tone shaper working together. eric p echo park In a message dated 12/13/99 2:38:09 PM, cho@newdream.net writes: >What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current >does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:44:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03539; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:44:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:44:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385572A4.5AD3@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:26:44 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4 question - Power Supply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"21cs53.0.zE.QGNLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Couldn't find this in the on-line manual, so could someone please drop me an answer... > What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current > does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) 9VT 1200mA (or greater). The Line6 unit has a standard female connector on the pedal end, a lump in the middle of the cord and then a two prong plug that goes into the outlet (thus avoiuding a wall wart situation). It also runs on 4 "C" batteries for approximately 20-30 (according to the manual anyway). Most stores sell sthe actual PS for $18-20. I bought one and haven't even opened the box yet, I'm running it off of the included batteries. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:43:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03376; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:43:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385572DE.1F77EC65@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:28:07 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL4 question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"48cSp1.0._q7.vANLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The power supply for the DL-4 is 9vac, 1200ma. The 1200ma rating is substantially more than the pedals actually need, but we wanted to keep the same power supply for POD and all the different pedals. I was talking with Josh Fiden at Digital Music/Voodoo Labs this morning, and we're trying to figure out if there's a scheme we can use with the Pedal Power that will work. I'll keep everybody posted. George Chris Chovit wrote: > > Couldn't find this in the on-line manual, so could someone please drop me > answer... > > What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current > does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) > > Thanks, > Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:43:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03352; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:43:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385573A9.5289@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:31:05 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port References: <000b01bf4558$39525980$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> <38556C76.85D6009A@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CDsTF2.0.PQ.FKNLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Yes, I use an ancient Roland TR-626 Rhythm composer,it accepts and sends midi > but it also allows a +5v pulse at whatever point in the pattern. I use it to > sync my 7.6 Time Machine into the midi realm. it has a CVpulse output jack on > the back. Good timing :) FS: Roland TR626 drum machine. Individual outputs for sounds, midi in/out, trigger out, LCD step/realtime grid programming etc, etc. Any questions? Email below. Excellent condition with original manual. $150 OBO. Email: Legion@voicenet.com ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:54:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06565; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:54:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:54:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04a501bf45bc$24a4ede0$5a05020a@beelzejuice.mecasw.com> Reply-To: "Ken M" From: "Ken Melms" To: Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar - H3000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:48:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <"5k_Qh1.0.dv.hSNLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >When you specify a user scale for harmonisation in the H3000, can you fine >tune each note in the scale in cents, or is it just standard choices form >the chromatic scale, with no fine tuning ? > I have a GTR4000 - the answer is that you can alter the pitch in cents, not standard choices. You CAN choose a "Standard" pitch to set as the "lowest" pitch producable, but it will sample the pitch being produced, and offset exactly at the desired cents. (FYI: 1200 cents = 1 octave .. I didn't know this until I got around to playing with this option.) Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 18:02:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08272; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3173fa36.2586d229@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:50:17 EST Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"PAITb3.0.pF1.oWNLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i used to use an ancient "dr. rhythm" with my old digitech delay. did some whacky things that i was never able to fully comprehend. weird arpeggios going all over the place. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 17:55:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06644; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:55:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991213224715.28557.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.33] From: "Zachary West" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Su700 question & an other....... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:47:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"282KR1.0.u51.LUNLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just brought the Yamaha Su700, and even though I am waiting for Fed - X to deliever it, i thought I would ask you guys if you had an suggestions to play with, or to get started with. I just joined Loopers-Delight, and alot of the emails that have been sent to me kinda of go over my head. So, I was also wondering if you guys/gals had any sample lists, or tech lists of the instrutments that you use, or are using, along with the scamatics. I would really appreciate it. @I want to understand@!!! Looping is defitinly an un-explored realm of the subconsious mind; under certain conditions I believe that it is possible to generate infinite amounts of information/energy in a hypnotic signal that would be tuned to the brain, and the body, creating an new type of communication. ALienisticly speaking..... this could be used agaisnt us or for us, it is just us that have to decided whether we ingnore the possibilties, or if we are stunted by an opposing force. Yes, this got way of topic, I just wanted to show that I am truly interested in this, and would appreciate any help that anyone could give me..... Thank you, .... Z.West (Zachary) >From: Echopark99@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: DL4 question >Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:13:11 EST > >I just set myself up yesterday, as there were no Line 6 power supplies >available from the stores. It's the same PS as the POD. On the back of >the >DL-4 at the power input jack it reads: > >9 VAC >1200 mA minimum > >From my local electronics shop I found a 9VAC wall wart rated at 1500mA. It >works great BUT if you go get one make sure it has the slightly LARGER >diameter opening on the plug that goes into the pedal. I had to replace the >one on what I bought with that larger (2.55mm I believe?) size, only after >bringing it home and finding out that it didn't fit. There are only two >sizesof that type, and it's the larger one. The PS was $8.50 and the >additional plug was 62 cents. You might want to keep in mind that the >POD/DL4 >power supply is not so much a wall wart but has the transformer mid-cable >between ends. This is usually helpful but in my live rig it would be an >extra >lumpy thing to put somewhere when setting up. In this case I actually >prefer >wall warts, I have a power strip that they all fit onto nicely. > >My Boomerang PS also works fine with the DL4, but only in a pinch as I like >the Rang as looper and DL4 as 'traditional' delay/tone shaper working >together. > >eric p >echo park > > >In a message dated 12/13/99 2:38:09 PM, cho@newdream.net writes: > > >What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current > >does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 18:59:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22007; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: DL4 question - Power Supply Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <385572A4.5AD3@voicenet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"bqxuA3.0.u45.-ROLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > It also runs on 4 "C" batteries for approximately 20-30 (according to > the manual anyway). > > 20-30? Days? Weeks? Hours? Can the Headrush use batteries too? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 19:02:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23055; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:02:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bf45c5$d85cd6a0$077479a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:56:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"bSs_J.0.Z95.DUOLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know if the even more ancient TR-505 has this ability? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:29 PM Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port >Yes, I use an ancient Roland TR-626 Rhythm composer,it accepts and sends midi >but it also allows a +5v pulse at whatever point in the pattern. I use it to >sync my 7.6 Time Machine into the midi realm. it has a CVpulse output jack on >the back. >jd > >Clifford Bosephius Alexander wrote: > >> PS- Anyone know a drum machine that puts out a 5v pulse? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ken griffith" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:24 PM >> Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) >> >> > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite repeat" >> > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the delay >> > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on indicating a >> > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the trigger >> > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger >> pedal.... >> > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine >> > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or others, >> > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Cable >> > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 >> > >> > >> > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken >> > Here comes the obvious- >> > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 >> that >> > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would >> need >> > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- do >> > they give a reason why they included this feature? >> > >> > Thanks- >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "ken griffith" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM >> > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 >> > >> > >> > > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input >> jack....it >> > > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be >> used >> > to >> > > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the >> > pulse.... >> > > ken >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff >> Cable >> > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM >> > > To: Loopers List >> > > Subject: PDS-8000 >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi all- >> > > >> > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching >> the >> > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- >> strange- >> > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? >> > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to try >> > the >> > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with no >> > luck- >> > > >> > > Cliff >> > > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 18:56:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21102; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:56:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bf45c5$304eaec0$12c73dca@alfalfa> From: "[o]" To: References: <000b01bf4558$39525980$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:52:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"FusXr1.0.Rn4.rMOLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > PS- Anyone know a drum machine that puts out a 5v pulse? > the very analog roland compurhythm series. cr 78, cr 8000 et al. pretty sure they do it. if you can get one that is... [o]mjn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 19:38:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31458; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:38:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:38:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf45ca$ca3f0020$da7079a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:32:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"1q_Lb2.0.zD7.S_OLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Woops, the PDS has a 5v INPUT to trigger the sample- not output- I just noticed that- oh well. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port >anyone know if the even more ancient TR-505 has this ability? > >Cliff >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Duke >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 2:29 PM >Subject: Re: PDS-8000 Trigger Port > > >>Yes, I use an ancient Roland TR-626 Rhythm composer,it accepts and sends >midi >>but it also allows a +5v pulse at whatever point in the pattern. I use it >to >>sync my 7.6 Time Machine into the midi realm. it has a CVpulse output jack >on >>the back. >>jd >> >>Clifford Bosephius Alexander wrote: >> >>> PS- Anyone know a drum machine that puts out a 5v pulse? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "ken griffith" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:24 PM >>> Subject: RE: PDS-8000 (manual) >>> >>> > The manual says.... In the TRIGGER mode: a touch of the "infinite >repeat" >>> > footswitch or a Positive pulse from a drum machine will repeat the >delay >>> > exactly once... and in the Trigger mode the LED is always on >indicating a >>> > signal is locked into the memory...I don't see much else about the >trigger >>> > Mode but assume you don't really need to use an additional trigger >>> pedal.... >>> > The jack Looks like it's really to be used with some drum machine >>> > functions...if you think the manual would be of use to yourself or >others, >>> > guess I could scan it...for posting.... ... good luck... >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff >Cable >>> > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 4:06 PM >>> > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>> > Subject: Re: PDS-8000 >>> > >>> > >>> > Ok- Thanks for the help Ken >>> > Here comes the obvious- >>> > Anyone know how to make a pedal do this? I even have an extra Boss CH-1 >>> that >>> > is toast I could use or cheapo intermittent ones too- I guess it would >>> need >>> > a battery- I don't really know why I would need to trigger it remotely- >do >>> > they give a reason why they included this feature? >>> > >>> > Thanks- >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "ken griffith" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 2:04 PM >>> > Subject: RE: PDS-8000 >>> > >>> > >>> > > Hi... I found my PDS 8000 manual and RE: the trigger input >>> jack....it >>> > > needs a 5v pulse...any device capable of producing a 5v pulse can be >>> used >>> > to >>> > > trigger the delay....triggering occurs on the positive edge of the >>> > pulse.... >>> > > ken >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> > > [mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com] On Behalf Of Cliff >>> Cable >>> > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:37 AM >>> > > To: Loopers List >>> > > Subject: PDS-8000 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Hi all- >>> > > >>> > > Just bought a Digitech PDS-8000 and had a question- I tried searching >>> the >>> > > mailing list archives even for just "Digitech" and got 0 results- >>> strange- >>> > > Kim? Am I vegging out or is all ok with the archives? >>> > > Anyway- anyone have the manual for this pedal? i would also like to >try >>> > the >>> > > trigger input- I tried a mono momentary and a mono on/off type with >no >>> > luck- >>> > > >>> > > Cliff >>> > > >>> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 20:09:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07632; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:09:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:09:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005b01bf45ce$d2731480$da7079a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RDS 2000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:01:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF458B.C0053280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"kWdn82.0.u61.YQPLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF458B.C0053280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this only 2 seconds? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D215595674 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF458B.C0053280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BF458B.C0053280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 20:09:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07652; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:09:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:09:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <385572DE.1F77EC65@earthlink.net> References: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:06:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: DL4 question Cc: anton.chovit@mayfieldsenior.org Resent-Message-ID: <"qdrhm3.0.kE1.CSPLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the quick responses. I was wondering: since the unit CAN use batteries, does it actually need an AC power supply? That seems strange.... Also, do you know approximately what the pedal ACTUALLY draws, in terms of current? Thanks, Chris >The power supply for the DL-4 is 9vac, 1200ma. The 1200ma rating is >substantially more than the pedals actually need, but we wanted to keep >the same power supply for POD and all the different pedals. > >I was talking with Josh Fiden at Digital Music/Voodoo Labs this morning, >and we're trying to figure out if there's a scheme we can use with the >Pedal Power that will work. I'll keep everybody posted. > >George > >Chris Chovit wrote: >> >> Couldn't find this in the on-line manual, so could someone please drop me >> answer... >> >> What power does the DL-4 use? AC or DC, how many volts, how much current >> does it draw (or at least, what is the Power Supply rated for?) >> >> Thanks, >> Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 20:22:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11021; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:22:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <385572A4.5AD3@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:07:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: RE: DL4 question - Power Supply Resent-Message-ID: <"Q_Cgp.0.jP1.4TPLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, the headrush is powered using a P/S only.... >> It also runs on 4 "C" batteries for approximately 20-30 (according to >> the manual anyway). >> >> > >20-30? Days? Weeks? Hours? Can the Headrush use batteries too? > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > >'Future Perfect' - art music >http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 13 21:40:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30039; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:40:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:40:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991213213412.007bbac0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:34:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Nels Cline In-Reply-To: <0.56e6d890.252f3c28@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"V6bXP1.0.v07.soQLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was driving home a few minutes ago, had the radio on, heard the most amazing stuff I've heard in a while. Nels Cline is a %$#&ing MONSTER! (It was Coltrane's "Saturn", I think...) A few of you were talking about him a couple of weeks ago, but I hadn't heard him until tonight. Anyone else who deleted without checking this guy out owes it to themselves to give him a listen. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 02:39:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00972; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.63a8bb56.25874c13@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:30:27 EST Subject: Re: RE: DL4 question - Power Supply, To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"a7D-z3.0.qk7.t8VLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/13/99 6:22:25 PM, cho@newdream.net writes: >No, the headrush is powered using a P/S only.... ...which is a shame cause the P/S is spec'd at 9 VDC, 500 mA so it seems like it could do OK on battery supply and it feels like there's plenty of room in that lightweight but sizable package. I'm glad Line 6 considered the plight of FX-happy giggers. On a short notice jam I'd be more inclined to grab the DL4 and not fuss with the AC. On a gig I've got the MicroSynth and Memory Man (which the DL4 comes close to anyway) which need AC anyway, so I've got a spot on my strip for the DL4 too. But if I wasn't addicted to the MS and Rang I'd do away with AC cables from the pedalboard. Glad too see, George, you are working with Josh at Voodoo - super guy and how about this San Fernando Valley for guitar FX creations!! Makes me proud (former NoHo resident). Now, speaking of exactly that, you're not the George of Way Huge are you? I think that's actually Jorge, yes? I miss the Way Huge stuff but if the Modulation modeler is as good as the Delay, it will all be so worthwhile. Congrats - great start on the DL4! Sure I've got a couple gripes but I'll get into that later. For now is but to enjoy the fruits of all your (collective) work and my $225. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 08:44:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02051; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:44:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:44:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991214084028.0095beb0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:40:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: DL4 comments In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-2F3s1.0.3y7.0WaLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com my vote is -- i'm fine with the single switch being used for reverse/half speed. ditto on the 100% wet output though. the unit rules otherwise. Looks like i have convinced the guitarist inmonster magnet to try on e- his space echo died on the road this fall. andre' At 10:32 AM 12/13/99 -0800, you wrote: > >>I just wanted to welcome George Van Wagner from Line6 to the mailing list. > >Seconded, glad to see a new company producing quality, groundbreaking >products, especially looping ones! > >>I know you guys have had alot of POD version 2 requests. So here goes my >>Dl-4 version 2 request. Hell, this thing hasn't been out a month and we're >>trying to revise... >> >>Make the pedal a bit larger to accommodate a 5th switch. Make it a >>dedicated reverse switch in LOOP mode. (that double click thing is a bit >>too tricky for me, especially live). In delay mode, could it be used for >>INFINITE REPEAT? That, in conjunction with a bit more delay time...(4-12 >>second range?) would combine to make an unbeatable pedal IMO. > >In addition George, please, 100% wet output from the looper so we can use >it off a mixer send! > >As far as the extra switch, how about just allowing a choice in software of >using that single trigger switch for reverse? I suspect the single trigger >switch isn't as useful to loopers as the other functions. > >Best- > >Mark > > > > *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 09:59:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18214; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:59:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:59:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991214095452.007a6cc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:54:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DL4 comments In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991214084028.0095beb0@mail.monmouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k_rLo.0.HC4.EfbLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not being a software engineer I really have no idea, but just how involved would it be to write in user-determined wet/dry mix variability parameters to something like the DL4? Is it a software thing, or would it require actually wiring in a circuit? On a related note, you guys who're using a Headrush in a mixer's Aux send: which output are you using, Mix or Head 1 (wet)? I've been trying it both ways, and each has its pros and cons. I think I actually prefer the sound using Mix, but the volume change when punching out is kind of annoying and makes the drummer whine "The loop dropped out! I can't hear it anymore!" Tim At 08:40 AM 12/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >ditto on the 100% wet output though. > >the unit rules otherwise. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 10:03:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19243; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:03:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:03:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912141453.GAA20411@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: RE: DL4 question - Power Supply, Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 06:52:59 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: George Van Wagner To: "Loopers-Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"t8QYX1.0.D84.VdbLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nah, Mr. Huge is Jeorge Tripps, who is the guy behind the modeling pedals. So far, the Modulation pedal has been a lot of fun to test, and we expect it to be shipping very soon. George > >In a message dated 12/13/99 6:22:25 PM, cho@newdream.net writes: > >>No, the headrush is powered using a P/S only.... > >...which is a shame cause the P/S is spec'd at 9 VDC, 500 mA so it seems >like it could do OK on battery supply and it feels like there's plenty of >room in that lightweight but sizable package. I'm glad Line 6 considered the >plight of FX-happy giggers. On a short notice jam I'd be more inclined to >grab the DL4 and not fuss with the AC. On a gig I've got the MicroSynth and >Memory Man (which the DL4 comes close to anyway) which need AC anyway, so >I've got a spot on my strip for the DL4 too. But if I wasn't addicted to the >MS and Rang I'd do away with AC cables from the pedalboard. > >Glad too see, George, you are working with Josh at Voodoo - super guy and >how >about this San Fernando Valley for guitar FX creations!! Makes me proud >(former NoHo resident). >Now, speaking of exactly that, you're not the George of Way Huge are you? I >think that's actually Jorge, yes? I miss the Way Huge stuff but if the >Modulation modeler is as good as the Delay, it will all be so worthwhile. >Congrats - great start on the DL4! Sure I've got a couple gripes but I'll >get into that later. For now is but to enjoy the fruits of all your >(collective) work and my $225. > >eric p >echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 10:43:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27793; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:43:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:43:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:36:36 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: microtonality X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.219 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g0pz71.0.3T6.FHcLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how about the k2000 series synths, do they have microtuning -- On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:28:42 Drew Skyfyre wrote: >> I'd like to get a unit that allows both programming and playing, preferably >> with Indian/middle eastern sounds, > >> Yamaha FS1r >Yamaha seriously screwed up by not including ANY microtuning capabilities. >This thing is supposedly capatible with DX7 patches. The DX & TX & SY & VL >series ALL include some form of microtuning tables. As do most of their XG >thingies, even the PSR 530 & above. What a waste of a great machine. AFAIK >Kawai made the same goof with their K5000, and only Waldorf's insane :) Wave >has tuning tables in their product line. > >Personally I consider any synth/sampler with no microtuning to be absolute >rubbish, though there are wayz to work around the limitation. > >Ensoniq's ASR-X Pro is one of the best choices available, with full 128 note >tuning tables, & over 30 preset temperments, not to mention various >available key tracking settings. E-mu's new budget ESI2000 is also a great >buy, with a really good microtuning capabilities. The E5000 has the neato >"Beat Munging" tool, more power, but lower microtuning resolution (1/64th of >a semitone v/s the ESI's 1/100th of a semiton), and is double the ESI's >price. > >If you're really interested in Indian/Middle Eastern sounds, then do not >stop at Oud or Sitar samples. They have to be played/sequenced in an >appropriate tuning to sound remotely authentic. > >A Middle Eastern sound is easily achievable : >In the key of C try tuning your D, E, A, and B notes a quarter tone >(-49 cents) flat. > >You folks should really get into microtonality if you're really looking for >new sounds, a bottomless well of ideas, & an endless source of new >tonalities. Looping and microtonality holds gargantuan potential. >David Beardsley's on this list (Hey David howzzit goin ?), he's really into >microtonality. David, makin any nice noizez wizzat DL4 ? > >Try : >John Starrett's microtonal links site : >http://www-math.cudenver.edu/~jstarret/microtone.html > >Graham Breed's site : >http://www.microtonal.co.uk/ > >or my own : >Xenharmonic Engines (lot's of guitar related info, some outdated links, & >I'm working on revamp): >http://microtonal.lookscool.com > >And join the Tuning list over at Onelist. http://www.onelist.com > >- Drew > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 11:20:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04525; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991214161326.44543.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.160.64.227] From: "Greg S" To: References: <3.0.5.32.19991214095452.007a6cc0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: DL4 comments Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:16:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"RdEQh3.0.Kj.ApcLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I understand some of the issues loopers have with the wet/dry mix, but I would think feedback regeneration is a more critical function. At least it is for me. When in Loop/Sample mode, the Tweak (or is it Tweeze?) knobs function as modulation for the pre-loop echo. I'd much rather see this converted to a feedback control for the sample. Sometimes I like to have my loops fade rather quickly so I can constantly change their content. With the DL4's current setup, I have to live with the 95% or so regeneration setting when in Overdub mode. I'd prefer to use the Tweeze and dial in 0-100% regen. wether in Play or Overdub. Wet/Dry suggestion: I'm using the expression pedal to control the Mix. With this I can create loops that nobody hears until I turn the pedal up -- of course, they do hear the source as I play it. Even if it doesn't solve most of your wet/dry issues, it might be a technique you can leverage for something else. Interesting studio re-arrangement yesterday: Pre DL4 setup: ========== Strat1/Strat2 -> Gr-30 -> Mackie 1202 Gr-30 -> volume pedal -> Boss Gx-700 Loop out -> POD -> Boss Gx-700 Loop in Gr-30 -> Korg workstation -> Mackie Mackie Aux 1 -> EDP -> Mackie Aux 1 return -> Amp/PC Also: cables, expression pedals, midi pedal board, and power cords strewn about the place Current Setup: ========= Strat1/Strat2 -> Volume Pedal -> POD -> DL4 -> Amp. 2 power cords, 4 guitar cords, 1 expression pedal. All of a sudden I feel I can turn around without tripping over something! My looping hasn't suffered at all. Yes, I'm missing a few sounds and some flexibility, but I'll leave it this way for awhile. I feel suprisingly free. This might harken back to the discussion on technology as a restricting or expanding force in terms of creativity. Nice change of pace. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 11:10:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01938; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:10:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:10:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38566B54.173@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:07:48 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? References: <3.0.6.32.19991214084028.0095beb0@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vopsQ.0.B5.nfcLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK this may be a stupid question but I'm confused on the most basic funstion of the DL4 delay. We all now know that there are three preset switches A, B, and C. These store memory locations of preset delay settings and can be from any of the delay types. Check this out: So let's say I have a analog delay in A, a digial lo res delay in B, and a reverse echo in C. I want to play a lick, turn on the unit to the tube echo, and turn it off again. I set the delay type to tube echo and plug in all the cables and start playing. The solo comes up and I press ... What?? If I press A, B, or C to turn on the unit it calls up one of the presets none of which are tube echo. Is it possible for me to turn on the pedal and turn it off again without calling up one of the presets??? With all the delay types in there I am going to want to do this often. Also, what happens when you call a preset up and then adjust the settings? My understadning is this then turns the preset into the delay type that is dialed in. While this is a nice feature I don't often have the chance to use my hands with a stompbox or get down on the floor while playing guitar. Is there a way to bypass the presets entirely and have the unit play what it's dialed up to do? ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 15:56:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03584; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:56:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:56:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3856AD18.11B75DBB@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:48:49 -0500 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma system at ebay References: <383F900F.E166C4DA@jguru.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FlSzH1.0.YX.SqgLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim, I'm curious as to whether you sold your Kyma on eBAy ? I bid for it, but chickened out..... but I am still thinking about selling a bunch of stuff (kurzweil, Jamman etc...) to see whether I could scrape enough together for a Kyma..... cheers, Darcy Jim Coker wrote: > > Yes, after several years of looping w/ Kyma, I've decided to > sell my system. The primary reason is that changes in my job > are requring lots of travel. The Capybara is just a bit too > heavy to drag along on every trip, so I've moved my looping > efforts to Supercollider running on a powerbook (a non-trivial, > and some what limiting task). > > I think Kyma is an ideal looper's box. Consider this: > - Just over 9 minutes of sample time in the base unit; > max single-delay time 3 min: there's 24MB of RAM for 24-bit > samples for each of 3 DSP's (the 4th is used for housekeeping). > (expandable to 24 chips, or 69 minutes of total looping) > - Four channels of 24-bit Analog or AES/EBU/SPDIF (selectable) > in and out, at rates up to 96Khz (ok, that reduces both > delay time and processing). > (expandable to 8 channels) > - Direct recording to disk. > - SMPTE sync (and others) > - Zillions of processing algorithms for munging loops. > > Want long stereo loops? Quad loops? Extra processing? > FX in the feedback path? Backward loops? Variable speed > loop playback? All that can be done, and relatively > easily --especially since I'll provide the buyer with > a copy of my looping sounds (and other Kyma sounds). > Oh, it's also pretty good at some non-looping tasks :) > > The listing is at ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=208656576 > > Also, if the buyer signs the software liscence agreement, > they get the same level of support offered to new buyers: > Top-notch phone and email support, upgrades, etc. Highly > recommended-- it's like buying a new system w/ a hefty > chunk off the entry fee. Also note that the system I'm > selling offers both PCI inteface cards (for desktops) > and the PC-card for laptops. Since Kyma does all its work > in hardware, it consumes very little computer power. One > could get Kyma + a decent laptop for the price of a 4000 > series Eventide, or a top-level sampler, and neither is > as flexible (other than not requiring a computer). > > Feel free to email me directly w/ questions. > > Jim -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate' ..... Steven Wright From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 17:11:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20513; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:11:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:11:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:56:28 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Anyone have Vortex Schematics? X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.56 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kfJv82.0.YC4.mqhLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone have the Vortex Schematics? thanks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 18:26:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05201; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:26:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:26:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? Resent-Message-ID: <"_1Y63.0.gP7.HgiLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >OK this may be a stupid question but I'm confused on the most basic >funstion of the DL4 delay. > >We all now know that there are three preset switches A, B, and C. These >store memory locations of preset delay settings and can be from any of >the delay types. > >Check this out: > >So let's say I have a analog delay in A, a digial lo res delay in B, and >a reverse echo in C. > >I want to play a lick, turn on the unit to the tube echo, and turn it >off again. I set the delay type to tube echo and plug in all the cables >and start playing. The solo comes up and I press ... > >What?? > >If I press A, B, or C to turn on the unit it calls up one of the presets >none of which are tube echo. > >Is it possible for me to turn on the pedal and turn it off again without >calling up one of the presets??? There isn't a manual front panel mode. What you need to do is program a preset with the type of echo you want. You program a preset by setting the front panel knobs to the sound you want, then press and hold one of the 3 preset footswitches for about 5 seconds, until the LED flashes. > >With all the delay types in there I am going to want to do this often. > >Also, what happens when you call a preset up and then adjust the >settings? My understadning is this then turns the preset into the delay >type that is dialed in. While this is a nice feature I don't often have >the chance to use my hands with a stompbox or get down on the floor >while playing guitar. Is there a way to bypass the presets entirely and >have the unit play what it's dialed up to do? Nope. If you call up a preset, mess with the knobs, then bypass that preset, the next time you press the footswitch for that preset you will recall the stored preset, not the editied. This is one frustration I have with the DL-4, I find the unit a bit too preset-dependant. I have a Korg multieffects pedal that uses a similar scheme, but it lets you recall edited presets from bypass until you recall another preset. Is this something that could be programmed into the software? I'm sure I'm not the only one that this bothers. On the other hand, it is very easy to program on the fly, I could see reprogramming the presets during a gig as not being out of the question. Another thing I'd like to be able to do is to tap in tempos while the delay is bypassed. Otherwise, I totally dig the unit, the sound is nothing short of astounding. A friend is bringing over his space echo in a few days to blindfold test against the DL-4, should be interesting... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 19:27:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19058; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:27:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:27:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008601bf4692$74deef00$447679a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:22:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01BF464F.642D14E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"BxJYy3.0.LE4.KxjLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BF464F.642D14E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone here have a sound card with optical in? I have optical out on my = Sharp MD-MS702- it would be nice to dump direct- my LOOPs that is- ;) Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BF464F.642D14E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone here have a sound card with = optical in? I=20 have optical out on my Sharp MD-MS702- it would be nice to dump direct- = my LOOPs=20 that is- ;)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BF464F.642D14E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 20:06:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31563; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:06:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:06:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Eps 16+ for sale! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:56:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"JOdI03.0.LK7.rWkLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An Eps 16+ with memory expander, original manual & 54 floppydiscs with the copies of the original sound-discs for sale! Waiting for price offers! Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 20:05:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31526; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:05:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:05:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Atari Falcon Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"nroJK2.0.oJ7.iWkLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com An Atari Falcon-MKX(2GB HD) included Cubase Audio, original CAB(internet browser) and some more music programs for Atari for sale. In excellent condition. Waiting for price offers. Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 20:29:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06130; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:29:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:29:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:23:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912150123.TAA07088@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Su700 question & an other....... Resent-Message-ID: <"SRKpi.0.r91.bskLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out all the info and the archives over the LD page! welcome and have fun looping! Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 20:39:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08621; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:39:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:39:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991215013408.6515.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.33] From: "Zachary West" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Su700 question & an other....... Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:34:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"-Q-Jg3.0.Rp1.q0lLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you, i did... i realized that after I sent out the email.... thankyou for the response.. i have some catching up to do on the equipment and dialog... but trust me... I'll catch up... i just have to figure out the components..... >From: Andy Soto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Su700 question & an other....... >Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:23:53 -0600 (CST) > > > Check out all the info and the archives over the LD page! welcome and >have fun looping! > > >Andy > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 21:14:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17359; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:14:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:14:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991215020915.61719.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: forward: a protest against sony Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:09:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"IOrei.0.Sy3.kXlLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry about the off-topic-ness, but if you're an independent musician, this important. In short, Sony blatantly ripped off some independent techno musicians by releasing a version of their song without their permission. For a more familiar issue, Island records (the ones who sued Negativland for thier U2 cover) released some unaltered Tape-Beatles work on an Orb album in 1993. It works both ways! Anyway, here's the forward: I know some of you my or may not have read about Sony Germany bootlegging an Underground Resistance track called 'Knights Of The Jaguar'. Please help support UR in their fight for justice! If you run an independent label, buy and support independent labels (whatever style), let this be a warning to you. Following is an explanation of what happened by Cornelius Harris (Member of UR).... ------- ...Recently, UR (Underground Resistance) has enjoyed the success of the track, "Knights of the Jaguar" by DJ Rolando. Recognizing that UR (Mad Mike, in particular) would be unwilling to license the track, Sony bypassed even making a request and has decided to release a "cover" version titled "Jaguar." Unconfirmed reports even indicate that promotional information on the records imply that it is a UR release. Cover versions traditionally have been done by fans of the original track as an homage to the original. In this case, it is being done as a method of undercutting the sales of the original. While this is an unethical and unprincipled act in and of itself, it is also a very dangerous act. In doing this, a major label, Sony, has determined that it has the right to stomp all over an independent label in its pursuit of profits. With this as a precedent, the question that should concern any and everybody in the music community is who will be next? It is imperative that Sony be held accountable for its actions. We are currently looking into whatever legal options we have as well as any other means to put an end to this. We urge all concerned individuals to flood Sony's offices worldwide with calls, emails, and faxes expressing those concerns. This kind of crap has to stop and it has to stop now. Anyone with any ideas, comments, addresses, or suggestions, please let me know. Some basic info follows. Any media folks, contact me privately. If anything could get Mad Mike out in the open, well...contact me. Peace, Cornelius Harris Underground Resistance ------ Now, read the following email sent to UR from Dirk Dreyer, A&R Manager @ Sony Germany, justifing his actions... ------ Please forward this message to DJ Rolando and Mad Mike Hello Rolando & Mike, sorry for not contacting you on this way earlier but I did not realise the relationship between Submerge and UR. I have found this adress on the Submerge webside. My only contact to you so far is __________ but I prefer the direct contact. As you sure know, our promo release of the cover version of your track from the 'Knights Of The Underground' EP is currently talk of the techno community. Let me explain the history of the idea and our point of view. I bought the 12" six months ago and enjoyed hearing the Jaguar whole summer. The feedback to the track is amazing, I have never seen people - no matter if house,techno and even trance fans - enjoying one tune like this one. It seems to be the first genre - crossover track for years since the split of 'techno house'from the early 90's to different styles and fanbases. In my way of 'industry thinking' it is a track worth to be available for lot of people, much more than just people going to yinyl shops. The philosophy of Underground Resistance not to cooperate with the industry is well known Your title names like 'message to the majors' and the liner notes on your records are not misunderstandable. I understand that you don't want to have any relationship with companies like Sony. Nevertheless we have tried to license the track for a compilation via our vinyl partner Discomania but we did not get a response. As we don't want to be seen as guys who rip off or bootleg a well known track, we have chosen the way of rerecording the track tone by tone. Indeed the new version has lost some of the typical Detroit flavour, what makes me still prefer the original. On the CD will be the original writer and publishing credits that you get the publishing money that you deserve. I know that you, Rolando, have met our promoter _________ aka ___________ when you played at Stammheim / Kassel. Please let me know your thoughts about the story. All I get so far is rumours. Kind regards Dirk Dreyer A&R Manager Sony ------ Have a listen for yourselves, the orginal track by DJ Rolando (UR) is at: http://www.submerge.com/real_audio/UR-049.ram and the Sony Bootleg is at: http://209.207.190.80/MP3/SF4147.MP3 Obviously Sony think that they can take anyones music, without permission, and re-release it without credit. I for one, don't want this to happen with music that I release on my label, and i'm sure most other producers wouldn't want a major helping themselves to your music. If you would like to support UR and in general, independent labels, please take the time to email/phone Sony Germany & Australia and let them know what you think. The contact details are below. Sony Music Entertainment (Germany) GmbH New Media/Business Affairs Att: Dirk Dreyer Stephanstr. 15 60313 Frankfurt Telefon: (069) 13888-0 dirk_dreyer@de.sonymusic.com Sony Music Entertainment (Australia) Limited Att: John Ferris 11 Hargrave St, East Sydney NSW 2010 Ph: (02) 9383-6200 dance_au@sonymusic.com Thanks for your time. Peace, Patrick HAF. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 21:55:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26269; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:55:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:55:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? In-Reply-To: <008601bf4692$74deef00$447679a5@cliff> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Z2vSf.0.j86.18mLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just put a Hoontech 4D wave on my box. Nice card, used a trident chipset, you can get it with a SPDIF optical out and an addon for the input. Cheap too, I paid $47 with the SPDIF out (no in, maybe later). Stew From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 23:00:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09407; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.913383d9.25886b22@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:55:14 EST Subject: Re: Lovetone Meatball assistance? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"AMvJ-2.0.2_1.A5nLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << Fast breaking news... I just got a call from mark at lovetone... reports of their demise are premature and they are busy trying to revamp. They're quite friendly, but I forgot to ask how to contact them. Yes indeed - I found this email for Lovetone: lovetone@ndirect.co.uk >> My manual (I believe it was a xeroxed sheet) is long gone. However I seem to remember that the pedal inputs are not CV controls and the manual explicitly warning against sending any voltage into them. True and thanks for the warning! Stig sent me some lovetone stuff which specifies a passive volume pedal. >>A really fun if quirky pedal, happy birthday >> Hey!! I just realized who you are! Hi Peter! I remember trying to work your Meatball in that wonderful studio that's attatched to your living space! I had a lot of fun that night - you and Glenda and Cynthia and I. Now I remember you told me you were lurking on the LD list... Hey is my ragged sweater still there? Look fwd. to another SF visit...Beware!!! eric potter echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 23:36:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18143; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:36:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:36:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8bfd05e6.2588711f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:20:47 EST Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on - Hear, Hear Line 6! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"SxUif1.0.Jd3.4TnLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 99-12-14 18:13:26 EST, you write: << Nope. If you call up a preset, mess with the knobs, then bypass that preset, the next time you press the footswitch for that preset you will recall the stored preset, not the editied. This is one frustration I have with the DL-4, I find the unit a bit too preset-dependant. I will chime in here, this is one thing that needs to be addressed. If the idea of the pedal is for it to behave like the classic delays, there should be the simple (perhaps most important?) option of dialing up a sound and switching in and out of it. The lack of this "manual default" is even more noticable when limited to three presets total. Earlier there was the mistaken impression that you could select a mode and then have A, B and C memories for each model selected. It seems implementable, actually, but the trade off would be instant stomp-switching from one mode to another. But I'd be happy if your temp settings were retained in and out of bypass on what ever preset you happen to be on, until powering down. Then when you power back up, your originally stored settings would come up as usual. That way you could tweak a few things or change modes completely during sound check or between songs and go (I often find delay mix levels need tweaking depending on the room you're in). This seems like a very workable solution. Am I making sense? >> On the other hand, it is very easy to program on the fly, I could see reprogramming the presets during a gig as not being out of the question. It works. But I still forget to "Save" things after rehearsals. It's not a very pedal-like thing to save your settings. And this is an otherwise very pedal-like unit so it's easy to forget. >>Another thing I'd like to be able to do is to tap in tempos while the delay is bypassed. Why not... that's sounds do-able. (Like I'm some kind of EE -Ha!) >>Otherwise, I totally dig the unit, the sound is nothing short of astounding. Agreed. Still excited to fire it up for so many applications. >> A friend is bringing over his space echo in a few days to blindfold test against the DL-4, should be interesting... >> Do tell!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 23:31:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17092; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:31:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: kenard@compuserve.com From: "ken griffith" To: Subject: RE: PDS-8000 manual... temp post Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:22:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501bf45ca$ca3f0020$da7079a5@cliff> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"xAUGw1.0.813.FLnLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi...just in case anybody still needs this info.... I've temporarily posted the Digitech PDS8000...(pds1000/pds2000) Manual for anyone to read or download...at.... http://www.idrive.com/kenard You're automatically logged in as guest...soo Just open the Digitech_pds8000 folder and you'll see the 6 pages / files.... To view them just double click.....or use the download button... ..the files are pretty big so you might want to download only a couple files at a time.... Kim has copy's and they will eventually be posted to the loopers-delight...site Hope this helps ......loop-on.... ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 14 23:55:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22432; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:55:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:51:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on - Hear, Hear Line 6! Resent-Message-ID: <"Kg72n1.0.uD5.6vnLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 99-12-14 18:13:26 EST, you write: > >But I'd be happy if your temp settings were retained in and out of bypass on >what ever preset you happen to be on, until powering down. Then when you >power back up, your originally stored settings would come up as usual. That >way you could tweak a few things or change modes completely during sound >check or between songs and go (I often find delay mix levels need tweaking >depending on the room you're in). This seems like a very workable solution. >Am I making sense? This makes total sense, and it's the way my Korg G-5 works, so it would seem doable. > >>> On the other hand, it is very easy to program > on the fly, I could see reprogramming the presets during a gig as not being > out of the question. > >It works. But I still forget to "Save" things after rehearsals. It's not a >very pedal-like thing to save your settings. And this is an otherwise very >pedal-like unit so it's easy to forget. > > >>Another thing I'd like to be able to do is to tap in tempos while the delay > is bypassed. > >Why not... that's sounds do-able. (Like I'm some kind of EE -Ha!) Yeah. George, you listening? :-) ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 01:32:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17014; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:32:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bf46c3$ce071180$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Clifford Bosephius Alexander" To: References: Subject: Re: PDS-8000 manual... temp post Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:15:37 -0800 Organization: Fat Cat Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"a21Vo3.0.8C3.Y7pLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Ken! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken griffith" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: RE: PDS-8000 manual... temp post > > Hi...just in case anybody still needs this info.... > I've temporarily posted the Digitech PDS8000...(pds1000/pds2000) Manual for > anyone to read or download...at.... > > http://www.idrive.com/kenard > > You're automatically logged in as guest...soo > Just open the Digitech_pds8000 folder and you'll see the 6 pages / files.... > To view them just double click.....or use the download button... > ..the files are pretty big so you might want to download only a couple files > at a time.... > > Kim has copy's and they will eventually be posted to the > loopers-delight...site > > Hope this helps ......loop-on.... ken > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 02:19:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25992; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 02:19:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38573F96.E1CC2639@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:13:27 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris downey , "johnson-amp@homer.harman-dod.com" , Loopers Delight , "rp@homer.harman-dod.com" , Karla Manzur , T & K van der Brook Subject: Can you Burn data other than 'audio' onto a CD-R? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"01MG92.0.g76.b0qLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have purchased the cd burner that we inquired about last week. Thanks for the input. Now we are attempting to use it to burn some graphics files for the new cd cover. Unfortunately, all of our manuals seem to refer only to audio files. Does anyone out there know how to burn a file from Microsoft Word or Photoshop onto a cd? HELP!! FYI. We are using a bundle called Sonic Foundry's Professional Remix Factory with the Microboards Playwrite 4080 CD Burner, Architect 4.0 and Sound Forge XP. Shouldn't we be able to put any information onto cd with that? If not, what else do we need? Thanks - Melody Taylor, Jimmy George Arts From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 05:06:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22342; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:06:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <0.85d54b78.2588c0e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:01:07 EST Subject: Re: Can you Burn data other than 'audio' onto a CD-R? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"q1ozM2.0.iE5.8SsLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/15/99 7:19:57 AM, jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com writes: << Shouldn't we be able to put any information onto cd with that? If not, what else do we need? >> Not familiar with the programs you mentioned but on my Mac I use Adaptec's "Toast" (Mac o PC-comes bundled with most burners) for data and non red book audio and Adaptec's "Jam" (Mac - not sure of the PC equivalent) for red book audio. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 06:16:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01871; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:16:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALDISCON From: "John McCullagh" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <80256848.003CFF37.00@morgan.aldiscon.ie> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:06:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"cfue23.0.B8.VPtLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I'm new to the list, so "greetings" and .. [Cliff:] > Anyone here have a sound card with optical in? I just got a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live Platinum, which comes with 3 parts: * the usual PCI sound card * a digital out link to digital spearkers * a front unit that mounts in a drive bay, and has optical in & out, S/PDIF in & out, MIDI in & out, a 1/4" guitar jack in, and headphone out with independent volume control my plan is to use the optical and S/PDIF in to record from loopers and minidiscs, but I have yet to set this up .. I think I need a more powerful computer ! The only problem with Creative Labs is that they made their name with PC hardware, and they have no plans to go Mac. Rgds, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 08:31:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26150; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:31:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:31:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012c01bf46ff$9f3f6500$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF46D5.B63A0FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"79fZV3.0.Y56.CRvLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF46D5.B63A0FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Cliff! I've got a Sharp MD-MS702 also. When I got it, I thought it had an = optical out but I was mistaken. It has only an optical in. Check the = minidisc page http://www.minidisc.org/ and especially the portable = recorder comparison page at = http://members.xoom.com/md_data/Recorder_table1.htm . Best I can tell, = nobody makes a portable recorder with a digital out. Of course there's = lots of MD decks with optical outs. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers To: Loopers Delight Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? =20 =20 Anyone here have a sound card with optical in? I have optical out on = my Sharp MD-MS702- it would be nice to dump direct- my LOOPs that is- ;) =20 Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF46D5.B63A0FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Cliff!
 
I've got a Sharp MD-MS702 also.  When I got it, = I thought=20 it had an optical out but I was mistaken.  It has only an optical = in. =20 Check the minidisc page http://www.minidisc.org/ and = especially the=20 portable recorder comparison page at http://membe= rs.xoom.com/md_data/Recorder_table1.htm=20 .  Best I can tell, nobody makes a portable recorder with a digital = out.  Of course there's lots of MD decks with optical = outs.
 
Dennis=20 Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Clifford@BienAppraisers <bienappraisers@mindspring.c= om>
To:=20 Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Tuesday, December 14, 1999 7:32 PM
Subject: Non Loop- = MD=20 optical to computer?

Anyone here have a sound card = with optical=20 in? I have optical out on my Sharp MD-MS702- it would be nice to = dump=20 direct- my LOOPs that is- ;)
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF46D5.B63A0FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 12:38:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13268; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:38:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3857D0FF.4179@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:33:51 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: DL4 delay - HOW IT SWITCHES ON... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvmEx.0.Rq2.k0zLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fresh from Tech Support at Line 6 here is the full scoop on how the DL4 pedal works regarding presets and switching on: ======= -=------------------------------ "You can't turn on the pedal without calling up a preset. When you call up a preset, all controls, including the model selector, are bypassed until you adjust them. If you save (to preset A, for example) a particular delay (like reverse) with all knobs at 9:00, and swith the selector to Tube Echo, you will hear the Tube Echo model - with all the knobs at 9:00. If you then go to another preset, or bypass, and return to A, you'll get the reverse delay you originally saved. Unless, of course, you saved the Tube Echo model before you switched to something else. So live - unless you like bending down and twiddling knobs - you are limited to the three presets, though these are more flexible if you have the expression pedal." ======= -=------------------------------ So the bottom line is this does not act like a "normal" pedal but instead a preset system with a total of three settings. You can fully alter the presets or overwrite them but you cannot get anything else "live" by turning it on or off. If you want to go from one setting to another you'll need to either pre-arrange your prests to cover your choices or do a lot of knob twiddling each time you turn the pedal on. Regarding this and other "changes" people have been mentioning. (warning OPINION follows :)) The pedal is less than a month on the market. Only the indivdual user can decide if things like this are a minor inconvenience or a terminal issue. I assume Line6 decided the current design was the best way to maximize the flexiblity of the pedal so I highly doubt particular features can or will be changed. For each person who hates something (ie: the on/off preset only feature) I can easily see another who likes it this way. I for one bought the pedal and was puzzled about it's preset issues. The system it uses is not that useful to me live and I'd gladly give up one of the preset to have a turn on/off feature. I don't expect to be paying for an upgrade or buying another pedal to resolve this. I'll just decide if this is a serious enough reason to warrent me dumping this one and leave it at that. There is a lot to reccomend this box. The delays sound great and the work around for the on/off issue isn't that horrible although it does alter what I thought the pedal could actually do and in my case cripples it for live use as I envisioned it. As a studio box where I can fiddle all I want or as a simple looper it's still great. Anyone interested in buying this or any of the other boxes should simply know this (and the other mentioned) issues upfront and then decide for themselves if it's worth their money one way or another. While it's nice to have an ear to bounce things off of (Line6 Support has been pretty quick responding to email IMO) I wouldn't look to them for any changes in this box unless they volunteer them first. Just my $200.00... ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 12:51:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16621; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: emusic-l@listserv.american.edu Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:44:51 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: synth-l@listserv.american.edu X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Rvolver X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j_yxT.0.Zj3.-EzLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles. Thy got the sound by var-speeding the tape and by using a leslie . How can i home recorder with a pc for "tape" do this electroncally. I have a whamm pedal from digitech , a roktek vibrator(so called tremolo pedal), and an mxr phase 100. I also have the pitch wheeel on my sampler. i would rather do it with effects than by the picth whhell because it is more repeatable (settings and all) . I have done some things with a turntable (while getting sample)and the pitch wheel on my tascam 4 track. but again i want to "automate the process" to the extent possible. -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 13:06:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20931; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:06:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: Can you Burn data other than 'audio' onto a CD-R? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:50:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38573F96.E1CC2639@jimmygeorgearts.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"0hxYo2.0.VY4.8RzLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SD's CD Architect should have an option to burn 'data' or audio but if you are looking for a very easy and efficient CD burning program for "PC", check out Adaptec's Easy CD Creator program, which usually comes with many of the CDR packages. Curbie -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy George [mailto:jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 11:13 PM To: chris downey; johnson-amp@homer.harman-dod.com; Loopers Delight; rp@homer.harman-dod.com; Karla Manzur; T & K van der Brook Subject: Can you Burn data other than 'audio' onto a CD-R? We have purchased the cd burner that we inquired about last week. Thanks for the input. Now we are attempting to use it to burn some graphics files for the new cd cover. Unfortunately, all of our manuals seem to refer only to audio files. Does anyone out there know how to burn a file from Microsoft Word or Photoshop onto a cd? HELP!! FYI. We are using a bundle called Sonic Foundry's Professional Remix Factory with the Microboards Playwrite 4080 CD Burner, Architect 4.0 and Sound Forge XP. Shouldn't we be able to put any information onto cd with that? If not, what else do we need? Thanks - Melody Taylor, Jimmy George Arts From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 13:03:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19964; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:03:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:03:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <0.14565261.25892f0c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:08 EST Subject: Re: Rvolver To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"ot7Mf.0.I54.mKzLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/15/1999 11:50:40 AM Central Standard Time, markeg@ivillage.com writes: << dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles. >> Be sure to take acid. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 13:40:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28485; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:40:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:40:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991215180926.80818.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.85] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Michael Brook Recorded Live Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:09:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF46E4.6BA49820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0KUz2.0.iE5.vbzLu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF46E4.6BA49820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you didn't catch Michael Brook & Djivan Gasparyan this summer, = there's a nice interview/live studio performance at: http://www.musicsojourn.com/Playlists/Echoes/v21-40/v31/EO-31-1.htm They're on the 2nd 1/2 hour performing with a few other musicians, one = of which is Richard Evans -- don't quote me on this, but I *think* that = might be the same as Dik Evans who is the Edge's older brother and = Virgin Prunes musician. 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If you didn't catch Michael Brook & = Djivan=20 Gasparyan this summer, there's a nice interview/live studio performance=20 at:
http://www.musicsojourn.com/Playlists/Echoes/v21-40/v31/EO-31-1.htm
They're on the 2nd 1/2 hour = performing with a=20 few other musicians, one of which is Richard Evans -- don't quote me on = this,=20 but I *think* that might be the same as Dik Evans who is the Edge's = older=20 brother and Virgin Prunes musician.  Can anyone confirm or=20 deny?
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF46E4.6BA49820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 14:30:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06880; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:30:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:30:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3857E8F1.6FF@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:19:00 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CANETON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8nPFE.0.u_.qa-Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com CANETON, the mocking duckling, is now trumpeting at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 14:26:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06432; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:26:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DAE7@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Rvolver Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:13:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"TcrS81.0.6p.JY-Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Use the boomerang pedalboard in 1/2 speed and in reverse mode. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com << dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 14:45:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10480; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:45:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:45:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38581553.538563DB@node.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:25:23 -0800 From: James Keepnews Reply-To: keepnews@node.net Organization: * - node - * X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom GFX-8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lKI2S2.0.PL1.Lh-Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Circus Lupus: Know you from Zoom's latest floor-console FX unit, the GFX-8? Amplification modeling, reverb emulation, sample-and-hold (!!) -- you know the drill. But, sample-and-hold this: it's tricked out with a 25 second phrase sampler and their 12 second "JAM PLAY" mode. In this mode, you can play back a two-second (boo!) loop in "scratch" mode, using a modulation pedal to control the speed either 100% forwards or 100% backwards of said loop, in proportional degrees of each. I'd been just about dying to have this as a regular feature on a hardware looper for time out of mind (this is standard-issue loop mangling using MAX/MSP, don't you know...), so starting at 2 seconds is, well, a start. $495 MSRP. Go on, have a looksee: http://www.samsontech.com/zoom/multiconsoles.html _________________________________________________________________ ~ > --- James Keepnews --- < "Don't quote anybody, Sir!" (.-.) > -- Multimedia Yahoo -- < \ * -- Krishnamurti - > - keepnews@node.net - < _________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 15:23:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20014; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:23:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991215113406.008306e0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:34:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live In-Reply-To: <19991215180926.80818.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ou4ab1.0.qC3.d6_Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, this is the first time I have heard Michael Brook's name mentioned! And with Gasparyian! Thanks so much for the tip. I will definitely check this out. Does anyone know where I can get a CD copy of Michael Brook 'Live at the Aquarium'? I think it was given away as some sort of promotion, and i just have a cassette copy. Also, if there are any Brook fans who know what his setup is, I would definitely be interested. Live at the Aquarium stumps me....is he doing ALL of that himself? If he does have a band, they are all locked to the loops in a most tasteful manner... later, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 15:51:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25979; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:51:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:51:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3857FBDB.B79D47F0@ti.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:36:43 -0600 From: Alec Robinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live References: <3.0.6.32.19991215113406.008306e0@pop3.argotech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hoTle.0.cb5.fm_Lu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rich wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a CD copy of Michael Brook > 'Live at the Aquarium'? Amazon.com has it. I ordered it from them a few weeks ago. It is being packaged in a 2 CD set with "Cobalt Blue." Alec From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 18:07:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22495; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:07:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:07:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005801bf4750$0de30200$0100005a@Hewlettpackard.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991215113406.008306e0@pop3.argotech.net> Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"s2u4W3.0.z45.kr1Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Live at the Aquarium" is indeed just him, playing guitar and triggering lots of samples. It's available in a 2-CD package along with "Cobalt Blue." Highly recommended. There's a website called "Breakdown" that's dedicated to him and I'm sure you'll find a detailed equipment list there somewhere. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live > Wow, this is the first time I have heard Michael Brook's name mentioned! > And with Gasparyian! Thanks so much for the tip. I will definitely check > this out. Does anyone know where I can get a CD copy of Michael Brook > 'Live at the Aquarium'? I think it was given away as some sort of > promotion, and i just have a cassette copy. > > Also, if there are any Brook fans who know what his setup is, I would > definitely be interested. Live at the Aquarium stumps me....is he doing > ALL of that himself? If he does have a band, they are all locked to the > loops in a most tasteful manner... > > later, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 19:34:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06836; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:34:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:34:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991216002206.34387.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.86] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991215113406.008306e0@pop3.argotech.net> <005801bf4750$0de30200$0100005a@Hewlettpackard.net> Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"39Msb1.0.y01.G33Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > There's a website called "Breakdown" that's dedicated to him and I'm sure > you'll find a detailed equipment list there somewhere. This looks close... http://www.fringedigital.com/brook/instrumentation/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 22:36:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14136; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:36:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:36:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991215222958.007a9d20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:29:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Rvolver In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"efNs52.0._03.5p5Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:44 AM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote: >dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles... Any specific instrument/part, or just the feel of the album in general? An excellent resource is Mark Lewisohn's "The Beatles Recording Sessions" (Harmony Books, 1988). It's the studio session notes covering everything the Beatles ever recorded at Abbey Road from 1962 to 1970, and it goes into minutia about effects & equipment used, the order the overdubs were put on & instrument combinations sharing tracks, alternate takes, anecdotes, mic techniques, et cetera. It's a good read even if you're not a Beatles fan as long as you're at all interested in the process of getting music onto tape (or hard disc, as the case may be...) It won't tell you how to make a PC record varispeed or backwards, and the only thing of loop-interest apart from "Tomorrow Never Knows" is some stuff about piecing together snippets from the studio's sound effects library, but it's a great look at some innovative use of the rudimentary multitracking technology available at the time. Hint: They were using ADT on almost ALL of Lennon's vocals in 1966... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 22:51:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17375; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:51:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:51:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQmHVrpc6C9k/qPChXUeA+ikII5fwIVAK4cZjpmYnWhyVvmkMYxclkGm+wg From: LAWYA-G@webtv.net (FRANTZ CYPRIEN) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:44:19 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Need some info on Yamaha SU700 Message-ID: <4684-38586013-2388@storefull-237.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"jXPmz.0.iu3.R06Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm new to the sampling and looping scene, and I was thinking about picking up a Yamaha SU700 to complement my studio. Does anyone out there know anything about this machine.....pros and cons....any info will be most useful. Thanx. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 23:12:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22124; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:12:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:12:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007b01bf477b$6ae1ddc0$9296adce@satellite> Reply-To: "Tom Lambrecht" From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Subject: Re: book "No Sound Is Innocent" (Prevost?) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:09:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IZjKk.0.B35.bL6Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, anyone have a copy of this they've exhausted??? . . . the interlibrary loan ran out on the copy I had I'll buy or swap for it drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net -----Original Message----- From: Alec Robinson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Michael Brook Recorded Live > > >Rich wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I can get a CD copy of Michael Brook >> 'Live at the Aquarium'? > >Amazon.com has it. I ordered it from them a few weeks ago. It is being >packaged in a 2 CD set with "Cobalt Blue." > >Alec > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 15 23:45:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28678; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:45:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:45:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991215222958.007a9d20@pop.ici.net> References: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:40:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Rvolver Resent-Message-ID: <"d-ytP.0.qZ6.3p6Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow! thanks for the info. Sorry, for my ignorance though, but what is an ADT? - Chris >At 09:44 AM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote: >>dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles... > >Any specific instrument/part, or just the feel of the album in general? > >An excellent resource is Mark Lewisohn's "The Beatles Recording Sessions" >(Harmony Books, 1988). It's the studio session notes covering everything >the Beatles ever recorded at Abbey Road from 1962 to 1970, and it goes into >minutia about effects & equipment used, the order the overdubs were put on >& instrument combinations sharing tracks, alternate takes, anecdotes, mic >techniques, et cetera. It's a good read even if you're not a Beatles fan as >long as you're at all interested in the process of getting music onto tape >(or hard disc, as the case may be...) > >It won't tell you how to make a PC record varispeed or backwards, and the >only thing of loop-interest apart from "Tomorrow Never Knows" is some stuff >about piecing together snippets from the studio's sound effects library, >but it's a great look at some innovative use of the rudimentary >multitracking technology available at the time. > >Hint: They were using ADT on almost ALL of Lennon's vocals in 1966... > >Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 00:02:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32258; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:02:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991216045658.17115.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"DEFUf1.0.Sa7.T47Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Midiman just came out with a new soundcard DIO 2448 which has what you need, for about $105. I did some research about it, and this soundcard seems to me the best deal. I use it in the same way like you intend, except I do not have MD. Look for it at this website: http://www.midi-classics.com/catalog.htm ___________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:22:18 -0800 From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Non Loop- MD optical to computer? Anyone here have a sound card with optical in? I have optical out on my Sharp MD-MS702- it would be nice to dump direct- my LOOPs that is- ;) Cliff ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 00:46:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13412; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:46:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:46:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:38:13 -0800 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Anyone have a pic of the PMC-10 ? X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.51 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KLnt31.0.1_2.th7Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Have looked alot lately and cant find any pics , would like to see what it looks like. thanks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 02:20:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30295; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:20:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01bf4794$a971c280$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Clifford Bosephius Alexander" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Torn Site Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:10:40 -0800 Organization: Fat Cat Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"7dM5q.0.aw6.419Mu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was told of this on the J McLaughlin list- http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf By the way - my local store can't seem to get me any D Torn- anyone reccomend a good source please- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 07:01:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12631; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:01:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:01:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991216065226.0079f660@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:52:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Rvolver In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19991215222958.007a9d20@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sDov.0.3n2.7ADMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ADT stands for Artificial Double Tracking; it's flanging, really, but before there were commercially available flangers. Abbey Road engineers had just come up with a technique to simulate an overdubbed doubling of a track to fill out the sound. Prior to ADT, it was standard practice to double-track the vocals on Beatles recordings, but the Beatles (particularly Lennon) didn't care for the drudgery of the time-consuming process, so Abbey Road's Ken Townsend came up with the ADT technique. You can do it pretty easily now with a short digital delay and flange, but since they didn't have these things back then, what they did was to run the signal from the playback head of a tape machine into another recorder with a variable oscillator, then re-combine the signal with the original, thereby widening it. It's a lot easier nowadays! Tim At 08:40 PM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote: > Sorry, for my ignorance though, but what is an ADT? >>At 09:44 AM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote: >>>dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles... >>Hint: They were using ADT on almost ALL of Lennon's vocals in 1966... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 07:09:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14417; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:09:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:09:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991216070933.0083fa00@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:09:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wazsg3.0.hJ3.pMDMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i agree with dave trenkel's statments on this..the DL4 has astounding sound... and can easily be programmed at a gig.... in seconds-- andvery intuitively - without menu scrollingor remembering command strings (and i love doing all that too...) hmmm.. will there EVER be the perfect looper -- it seems every single device people on this list use - there are several of us who have a wish list... for me - i just played one of my most enjoyable gigs ever as a looper - 1/2of the reason was stripping down - possible with my new GR1- incredible unit... but the other 1/2 was the gig -friendly dl4 -- the tap tempo rules, the sound is superb, and you can tweak over to a sound you want in seconds. Ya gotta realize that , yeah - Line6 or anyone COULD have ALL these additional features, etc but then the unit would be - BIGGER - to fit all the extra wished for switches... - midi - which many people hate - and .. TA DAAA - WAY MORE EXPENSIVE...... i think for around $200 - let's make music with the thing...!! until volume II comes along or -- some designer in another company studies it and eclipses it... sometimes ya gotta be FLEXIBLE with new gear-- and mold your techniques to the unit... doing the opposite -- you'll just wake up on day and be shocked at the percentage of actual MUSIC vs GEAR hassles. Let it flow. *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 09:08:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04055; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:08:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991216090442.00851a10@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:04:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: forward: a protest against sony In-Reply-To: <19991215020915.61719.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hUGu2.0.Wg.t2FMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i despise the behavior of the majors as well as anyone,,and i buy 99% of my music USED... or direct from discipline mobile global (fripp/crimson empire,etc....) but didn t thesony rep say.... "....>still prefer the original. On the CD will be the original writer and >publishing credits that you get the publishing money that you deserve." yet you say later.. ">Obviously Sony think that they can take anyones music, without permission, >and re-release it without credit....." again - don't spam/rag on me as a corporate supporter, etc - i think THEY SUCK-- but i'm confused as to the facts here..... i thought ANYONE could cover a tune - as long as they credited it's authors andpaidthe mechanicals, adhering to publishing laws, etc,. pls fill me in here see ya *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 09:12:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05072; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:12:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:12:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers List Subject: Re: Torn Site In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4794$a971c280$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EZMYx2.0.H-.s8FMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bought all mine from the Artist's Shop - Torn and Mick Karn. Stew On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Clifford Bosephius Alexander wrote: > I was told of this on the J McLaughlin list- > > http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf > > By the way - my local store can't seem to get me any D Torn- anyone > reccomend a good source please- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 09:27:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08033; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:27:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALDISCON From: "John McCullagh" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <80256849.004EE43C.00@morgan.aldiscon.ie> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:21:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Torn Site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Rb1tD2.0.si1.xMFMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, [Cliff wrote] > I was told of this on the J McLaughlin list- > http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf Good that word is getting around ! I put the David Torn site on-line last week, so it's still in the early stages. I put in links to "Loopers Delight" and "The Artist Shop" (who have pages for CMP, PapaBear and LoLo .. they say they'll have Materali Sonori soon). Brandon T. from the John McLaughlin list said he was still able to order "What Means Solid, Traveller?" from here recently. I added a "Discography" section where you can add details of albums you have, and add comments on the albums listed. I added a few to start, and DT himself kindly added the details of "cloud about mercury", and sent in his CV, which I have added to the "Information" section. I hope to get a guestbook going soon. There is even some vague talk of getting the door-X mailing list back on-line .. Pete Cole is looking into it. So if you have a few spare browsin' minutes, check it out. Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 09:57:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13636; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:57:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:57:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:47:20 -0700 From: gisjef@coagis.cabq.gov (jason fink - 3943 SUN Workstation) Message-Id: <199912161447.HAA03310@agsws1.cabq.gov> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn Site X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gxnF31.0.D33.cnFMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >By the way - my local store can't seem to get me any D Torn- anyone >reccomend a good source please- Cliff and others on the search for Torn, I just picked up 'What Means Solid Traveller' and 'Tripping over God' from the Artist Shop, after being told the same thing from my Local sources... Reasonable prices and they got there quickly. http://www.artist-shop.com Those 2 CD's are sooo fantastic... I have played them almost everyday since I got em 3 weeks ago. Later -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 10:54:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26070; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:54:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:54:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:40:54 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Rvolver X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"reFle.0.I26.ddGMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually i have that book. I basically know they used varispeding and Leslies . I just need to know how to do it digitally.Btw which is th best leslie in a obx . should i get a phaser(got one the mxr) or a chorus? I want the timbers and tones overall I guess. I guess I want a swimmy sound like on "crimson and clover" by tommy james. That may be an even better example. -- On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:40:04 Chris Chovit wrote: >Wow! thanks for the info. Sorry, for my ignorance though, but what is an ADT? > >- Chris > > >>At 09:44 AM 12/15/99 -0800, you wrote: >>>dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles... >> >>Any specific instrument/part, or just the feel of the album in general? >> >>An excellent resource is Mark Lewisohn's "The Beatles Recording Sessions" >>(Harmony Books, 1988). It's the studio session notes covering everything >>the Beatles ever recorded at Abbey Road from 1962 to 1970, and it goes into >>minutia about effects & equipment used, the order the overdubs were put on >>& instrument combinations sharing tracks, alternate takes, anecdotes, mic >>techniques, et cetera. It's a good read even if you're not a Beatles fan as >>long as you're at all interested in the process of getting music onto tape >>(or hard disc, as the case may be...) >> >>It won't tell you how to make a PC record varispeed or backwards, and the >>only thing of loop-interest apart from "Tomorrow Never Knows" is some stuff >>about piecing together snippets from the studio's sound effects library, >>but it's a great look at some innovative use of the rudimentary >>multitracking technology available at the time. >> >>Hint: They were using ADT on almost ALL of Lennon's vocals in 1966... >> >>Tim > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 11:05:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28549; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:05:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010401bf47e6$d23b1200$f00df5d1@computer> From: "hwind" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:58:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01BF47A3.C0B82C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"O0nYb.0.Ie6.DnGMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01BF47A3.C0B82C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01BF47A3.C0B82C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01BF47A3.C0B82C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 11:41:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04628; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:41:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:41:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:33:37 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, sop@n2mail.com Subject: Re: Anyone have a pic of the PMC-10 ? Resent-Message-ID: <"v8fgD2.0.en.BIHMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It looks very much like a Ground Control... about the same footpriint. Slightly different foot switches. The same as the RP12 or whatever. No built in expression pedal. 2 inputs for ExPeds, a relay switch jack and the usual midi i/o. -m >>> "sock s" 12/15 9:43 PM >>> Have looked alot lately and cant find any pics , would like to see what it looks like. thanks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 11:39:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04381; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:39:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:13:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <010401bf47e6$d23b1200$f00df5d1@computer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"xmEZ32.0.kl.JHHMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL -----Original Message----- From: hwind [mailto:windholz@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday 16 December 1999 8:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 15:50:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26341; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:50:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:50:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.ae729043.258aa76d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:37:01 EST Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"jwxu81.0.Yf5.MsKMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/16/99 5:09:48 AM, andre@monmouth.com writes: >sometimes ya gotta be FLEXIBLE with new gear-- and mold your techniques >to >the unit... doing the opposite -- you'll just wake up on day and be shocked >at the percentage of actual MUSIC vs GEAR hassles. > >Let it flow. Right on - and I am very grateful for the DL4 as it stands. But I *do* think my "retain settings until power down" idea is an improvement worth pursuing and is very much in the tweak-a-knob spirit of the classic delays that the DL4 was created to emulate. Shouldn't require any hardware changes. If it does, forget about it - you're quite right; it's not worth it. But the flexibility of software-driven devices is part of what makes these new pedals more than just an imitaion of the old stuff. If the DL4 can evolve without straying from the strong vision of it's creator, I'd like to help! I admit, at times I have been gear-centric to the point of missing the music, but I have also asked gear makers to consider my approach to making the music, and the best have responded with a simple mod or two that actually meets my intuition on the live stage, freeing my mind from "How do i do this?", and allowing music to flow. But yes, Andre, I will heed your words and stop talking about gear for a little while. It's such a fine day outside, I'm actually gonna grab my old bamboo flute and go for a walk in the hills. Bye! eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 16:10:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30662; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:10:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: Loopers List Subject: Re: Torn Site In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4794$a971c280$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eGAh_3.0.Hp6.SALMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Clifford Bosephius Alexander wrote: > By the way - my local store can't seem to get me any D Torn- anyone > reccomend a good source please- The Artist Shop @ http://www.artist-shop.com/ Wayside Music/Cuneiform @ http://www.cuneiformrecords.com/ Hey, and why not save on shipping by buying some Dark Aether Project CDs from these folks too! 8) -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 16:54:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07565; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:54:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:54:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912162146.QAA05456@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:17:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Su700 question & an other....... From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mieH52.0.wL1.FtLMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Zachary, hello. I think there's an SU700 user group at Yahoo Clubs. Re: the other - I have enough of a time dealing with my conscious mind to be concerned with my subconcious. One day at a time, looking for love in all the wrong places, etc., etc. ;-) - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 16:50:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06448; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:50:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00fe01bf480e$cc919c20$fb7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:41:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hzfij2.0.xC1.jpLMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This kind of thing is so important- communing with the outdoors- taking in the air and space- listening to nature's own loops- birds- wind- trees swaying- gets you grounded and recharged/ inspired for more creation with the tols at home/studio- just wanted to comment because I relate- Cliff PS- I'm still gonna bring my MD and binaurals on MY next outing- :) -----Original Message----- From: Echopark99@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 1:07 PM Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? >It's such a fine day outside, I'm actually gonna grab my old bamboo flute and >go for a walk in the hills. > >Bye! > >eric p >echo park > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 16:56:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07849; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:56:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:56:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912162148.QAA06085@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:18:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar - H3000 From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q4tBr3.0.QV1.KuLMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>When you specify a user scale for harmonisation in the H3000, can you fine >>tune each note in the scale in cents, or is it just standard choices form >>the chromatic scale, with no fine tuning ? >> > > I have a GTR4000 - the answer is that you can alter the pitch in > cents, not standard choices. You CAN choose a "Standard" pitch > to set as the "lowest" pitch producable, but it will sample the pitch > being produced, and offset exactly at the desired cents. > (FYI: 1200 cents = 1 octave .. I didn't know this until I got around > to playing with this option.) > > > Ken Ken ! Thanks for the info. This is good stuff. Well, David B., Just Intonation capable it is ! Implications boggle the mind, my little one anyway... - Drew (waiting for my 15 minutes of fame so I can join the GTR4000 owners club) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 16:54:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07525; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:54:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912162146.QAA05302@rosy.yourwebhost.com> X-Apparently-From: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:17:22 +0000 Subject: Re: microtonality (k2000) From: "Drew Skyfyre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tBBh1.0.8J1.tsLMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > how about the k2000 series synths, do they have microtuning Oh yeah ! There's info on Kurzweil's site itself. For info on microtonal synths check John Loffink's site http://home.att.net/~microtonal/index.html - Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 17:24:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13918; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:24:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:24:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012c01bf46ff$9f3f6500$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:08:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Jam Man @ E-bay Resent-Message-ID: <"gXTt3.0.Ls2.GGMMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a jam man for auction over at ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220557632 patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 20:08:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17198; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:08:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:08:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <0.19ca584c.258ae3f1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:55:13 EST Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE (Temporarily) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: <"UOU3J.0.KQ3.LeOMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for all the help and insight...I'm travelling too much at the moment to keep up though. see you around, John Mark Painter johnflem@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 21:22:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01305; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:22:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:22:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991217021632.46371.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: forward: a protest against sony Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:16:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"3pZgN.0.Ky7.ZqPMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All my other posts in this matter will be private, since I know it's not really on topic. : >yet you say later.. > >">Obviously Sony think that they can take anyones music, without >permission, > >and re-release it without credit....." Actually, I only wrote the paragraph at the very top. It would be a good idea if we took the rest with a grain of salt, as with all accusations of this nature. I also noticed that Sony's letter wasn't in German and had several spelling errors. Some meaning can be lost or gained in translation. Even if it was originally in English, the text wasn't copied exactly, since there were so many errors. However I do believe the general meaning of the e-mail (that Sony blatantly infringed on someone's rights to their composition--something that major labels would sue a band out of existence for.) >i thought ANYONE could cover a tune - as long as they credited it's authors >andpaidthe mechanicals, adhering to publishing laws, etc,. > >pls fill me in here According to American copyright law, you need the author's (or copyright holder's if they're signed) permission to legally release a cover tune. With the permission, the author usually requires original credit and payment. I would imagine that German copyright law would be similar in this aspect, as this is the specific purpose that copyright was created for. While Sony was offering payment and publishing credit, they specifically avoided speaking to the original artists until the records were already on the shelves. The A & R rep did this because he knew the band was 'anti-corporate' and would not grant them permission. You can legally reproduce (or cover) a song if the purpose is for "Criticism & Comment" (where copyright law meets the 1st amendment), or education (under "Fair Use"). The former includes song parodies. Once again, this is American copyright law. You can often 'get away' with covering a song if: 1) It does not interfere with the sale of the original. 2) You're not famous and it's not your biggest song. 3) The copyright owner (often a record label) never finds out about it. I believe it's technically illegal to cover a song in a live show, but big famous bands do that all the time and never seem to suffer from it. I betchya that Sony tried to copyright that techno song for themselves. I don't know for sure, but the majors are crazy about securing copyrights for everything. They even copyright sound effects CD's! Mr. Tough p.s. thanks for reading this far! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 21:24:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01499; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:24:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991217021932.50677.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:19:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"nfcF82.0.wE.LtPMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you type "UNSUBSCRIBE" in 18 pint size font, and make it bold and dark red, it sometimes works! Mr. Tough >From: "hwind" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE >Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:58:42 -0800 > >UNSUBSCRIBE > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 23:12:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25204; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:12:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:12:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991216230456.007b0950@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:04:56 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: peter koniuto Subject: --richard evans-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"t5s_n3.0.Jj5.MSRMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In case no one answered this yet: > They're on the 2nd 1/2 hour performing with a few other musicians, one = > of which is Richard Evans -- don't quote me on this, but I *think* that = > might be the same as Dik Evans who is the Edge's older brother and = > Virgin Prunes musician. Can anyone confirm or deny? The Richard Evans in question is definitely not the Edge's older brother. He is quite a brilliant young engineer (OK, the youth part is relative) for Real World. Met him at the Brook/Gasparyan concert in Boston this past August--very nice chap. Very patiently answered a few questions i had about some of Brook's production techniques. peter koniuto ________________________________________________________ TAGHAIRM (Old Irish) noise, echo, a mode of divination by listening to the noise of water cascades... from: MacBain's Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language Gairm Publications, 1982 ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 23:18:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27347; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:18:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000801bf4842$e42785a0$456fc8d0@computer> From: "postaldave" To: References: <19991217021932.50677.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:57:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"6PvqE3.0.9d5.6QRMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "If you type "UNSUBSCRIBE" in 18 pint size font, and make it bold and dark red, it sometimes works!" have you tried pig latin??????? oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 16 23:08:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23920; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:08:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3859B2F6.EE273F0A@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:50:14 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rp@homer.harman-dod.com" , Loopers Delight , "johnson-amp@homer.harman-dod.com" Subject: DL-4 = Bliss? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1oekO2.0.qk4.nCRMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just had my first experience with the DL-4. ran my kinscherff acoustic with sunrise pickup through the DL-4 then to my boomerang then to my blues deluxe spring reverb tube amp. wow. i am primarily a j-150 user but this simple looper set up is the s#$t! the DL-4 has a much better sound then the boomerang but inconjunction with the rang makes for a nice variety of sample rates / sounds. the interface is familiar. so much has been reviewed on this pedal in the last few months that any technical input from me would be redundant. i really like the options of echo allot. the whole pedal rocks! although i've only sat with it a short time, 1 hour or so, i would give it 5 stars. for the buck and bang this is the pedal of the decade. not a boomerang replacer but another fine addition. rang will have to work a bit harder in his design to compete. i would probably direct a new looper in the direction of the DL-4 if they had to choose one first. i'm still quite the romantic ranger though and will be for a while to come. sonically my rig here makes it all a little better ... peace and loopon jimmy george From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 01:57:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05141; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:57:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3859B2F6.EE273F0A@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:46:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: FS: Akai Headrush(es) Resent-Message-ID: <"fGQp11.0.fe.8lTMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Selling my headrush(es): 2 available. 4 months old. functionally perfect. cosmetically 9.5 out of 10 ( a few very small scratches). w/ power adapter(s). $125 each, includes shipping to cont. US. Thanks, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 07:04:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24575; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:04:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:04:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <385A241C.57EA1B7F@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:00 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: optigan lovers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ajfd12.0.nm5.OMYMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this site may be of interest: the optigan is/was a bizarre keyboard made by mattel in the 70's that has now acheived cult status ... you know how such things happen. anyway, does anybody out there have one of these? rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 07:28:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28974; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:28:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <385A2A14.860F70A6@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:18:28 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: symphonies for dot matrix printers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HLoI82.0.ut6.CkYMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i mentioned this a while back - i just found this link in the latest issue of "the wire". the composers are a canadian group called "the_user". have fun, rob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 08:26:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07514; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:26:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:26:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <0.da430be1.258b9290@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:20:16 EST Subject: [CT] location of 75 sec tape. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"USdAx.0.hX1.sYZMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all - I recieved the tapes yesterday (thanks Minneapolis postal employees! only THREE days late this time!) and will be mailing them out tomorrow, Saturday the 18th of December, to whoever is next on the list. - Bill Henson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 10:27:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31030; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:27:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:27:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912171444.JAA07677@fb02.eng00.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:46:07 -0400 Subject: Re: FS: Akai Headrush(es) From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xPn2F.0.KP5.mnaMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com would you take a dd3 delay for one of yoour akai's? thanks c.white ---------- >From: Chris Chovit >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: FS: Akai Headrush(es) >Date: Fri, Dec 17, 1999, 2:46 AM > >Selling my headrush(es): > >2 available. 4 months old. functionally perfect. cosmetically 9.5 out of >10 ( a few very small scratches). w/ power adapter(s). > >$125 each, includes shipping to cont. US. > >Thanks, >Chris > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 10:52:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04370; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:52:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:52:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:41:48 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: digitech whammy X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xCtRO2.0.MV.gdbMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com boy i got the digitecj whammy pedal and by is is light on documentation . actually most of what you need is on the back of the unit.1) How do I use the detune setting .actually what is "detune"? its a naive question i guess but im more a dj than player. im running samples through it. I get great things out of it must say. I paid double over what the marshall vibratrem cost for extra features. I may still get that later.2) what setting is best for a pedal steel guitar sound on a guitar sampl. -- On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:45:11 Kriswv1 wrote: >volumes 1 and 2 $10 each plus shipping. > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 11:06:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06795; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:06:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:06:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b98ac3cf.258bb7ca@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:59:06 EST Subject: Re: digitech whammy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"_kY833.0.4M1.ltbMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com De-tune is just modulation that varies with the sweep of the treadle, kind of like a chorus effect, the sound gets "looser" as you sweep the pedal from back to front. 2nd to 3rd, I've found to be the best preset for "lapsteel". Watch that pesky level pot, it can take a little adjustment to keep line hiss out of your amp. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 11:14:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08868; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:14:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:14:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385A6055.34A0C742@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:09:58 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: forward: a protest against sony References: <19991217021632.46371.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WLiB.0.Mt1.R0cMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The only restriction on recording a cover of somebody else's song is 'first use'. The writer, once the song has been recorded, cannot stop somebody from recording it under a 'compulsory license'. Royalty rates paid under a compulsory license are higher than the normal ones, so it rarely pops up. Probably the best know case is when the Circle Jerks wanted to record Paul Simon's 'Red Rubber Ball'. Simon hated the idea, tried to stop them, but ended up just having to settle for the higher royalty rate (poor baby!). The only instance in which this is not the case is when the song has not previously been recorded, in which case the writer has a legal leg to stand on in refusing to allow somebody the use of their tune. Royalties for live performances are the responsibility of the venue, not the artist. Most clubs, concert halls, etc... make regular payments to BMI and ASCAP to cover royalties on music played in their venue. There are some places (mostly coffeehouses, it seems) that will only allow original music, so they can avoid having to make payments to performing rights organizations. Suggested reading: This Business of Music. You'll learn more than you ever wanted to know about publishing, contracts, and how to make sure that you don't get screwed. Hope this helps, George "Mr. Tough" wrote: > > All my other posts in this matter will be private, since I know it's not > really on topic. : > > >yet you say later.. > > > >">Obviously Sony think that they can take anyones music, without > >permission, > > >and re-release it without credit....." > > Actually, I only wrote the paragraph at the very top. It would be a good > idea if we took the rest with a grain of salt, as with all accusations of > this nature. I also noticed that Sony's letter wasn't in German and had > several spelling errors. Some meaning can be lost or gained in translation. > Even if it was originally in English, the text wasn't copied exactly, since > there were so many errors. However I do believe the general meaning of the > e-mail (that Sony blatantly infringed on someone's rights to their > composition--something that major labels would sue a band out of existence > for.) > > >i thought ANYONE could cover a tune - as long as they credited it's authors > >andpaidthe mechanicals, adhering to publishing laws, etc,. > > > >pls fill me in here > > According to American copyright law, you need the author's (or copyright > holder's if they're signed) permission to legally release a cover tune. With > the permission, the author usually requires original credit and payment. I > would imagine that German copyright law would be similar in this aspect, as > this is the specific purpose that copyright was created for. While Sony was > offering payment and publishing credit, they specifically avoided speaking > to the original artists until the records were already on the shelves. The A > & R rep did this because he knew the band was 'anti-corporate' and would not > grant them permission. > > You can legally reproduce (or cover) a song if the purpose is for "Criticism > & Comment" (where copyright law meets the 1st amendment), or education > (under "Fair Use"). The former includes song parodies. Once again, this is > American copyright law. > > You can often 'get away' with covering a song if: > 1) It does not interfere with the sale of the original. > 2) You're not famous and it's not your biggest song. > 3) The copyright owner (often a record label) never finds out about it. > > I believe it's technically illegal to cover a song in a live show, but big > famous bands do that all the time and never seem to suffer from it. > > I betchya that Sony tried to copyright that techno song for themselves. I > don't know for sure, but the majors are crazy about securing copyrights for > everything. They even copyright sound effects CD's! > > Mr. Tough > > p.s. thanks for reading this far! > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 14:14:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13500; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:14:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:14:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg AM8000 question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"EZL241.0.ds2.1feMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been trying to get my Korg AM8000 to work with my EV5 expression pedals and haven't had much luck. the best I've been able to do is by switching polarity on the effect getting it to instantly from one end of the range to the other, but I have to change the polarity again to change it back. I've also tried my Moogerfooger expression pedal with no luck. Am I going to have to buy Korg pedals to make this work? Any help greatly appreciated.... Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 14:50:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21362; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:50:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:50:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.971e3c16.258bec99@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:44:25 EST Subject: The great outdoors. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"_f5XF2.0.0u4.0BfMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/16/99 2:50:10 PM, bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: >This kind of thing is so important- communing with the outdoors- taking in >the air and space- listening to nature's own loops- birds- wind- trees >swaying- gets you grounded and recharged/ inspired for more creation with >the tols at home/studio- just wanted to comment because I relate- It's really true! I did as promised yesterday and went out in the park for a couple hours with the wood flute (I can't really "play" the flute, just practice breathing tones through it - good general relaxation/feedback technique). I found a new corner in the park, believe it or not I've lived here 2 years and Elysian Park is so huge I haven't seen it all. Later last night I actually felt capable of dealing with MIDI!! I felt inspired to make live drum loops on the ASR-X and have the sequencer (great sampler but lousy sequencer,) slave the JamMan. I could play bass into the Jammie synced to my real drum loops. It was this whole theoretical idea that I knew I could do but for months my mind didn't want to deal with hooking it up. Of course, it was practically a no-brainer. Plus, somehow, I'm back on-topic! Bottom line: a cool new groove - a foundation for a new song. Guess what? It's 11:47am, another super-clear day in Los Angeles. I'm going out there again! eric p echo park > > > >Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 15:19:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27411; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:19:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:19:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: "loopers" Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:09:47 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: "loopers" X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Whats the frequency X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"m5wCK.0.4E6.nYfMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear list: whats the best pedal for creating the shimmering sound of "Whats the FREQUENCY KENneth "off of REM 's Monster lp. As you can see im buying a lot of fx. I likeddidcated pedals instead of all in one deals becaose i like knobs. I like my whammy though but one is enough . Im looking at the Ibanez chorus flange modulator next($69 at musiciansfriend.com. Any reviews? -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 15:32:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30393; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:32:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:26:24 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, unitcirc@unitcircle.com Subject: Re: Korg AM8000 question Resent-Message-ID: <"QAjPN.0.I_6.OofMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've not tried the EV-5 with mine after hearing David Coffin describe his proceedings... he tried and ended up having to use the Korg pedal. Midi works great though, so that's another option possibly. -Miko >>> Unit Circle Media 12/17 11:12 AM >>> I've been trying to get my Korg AM8000 to work with my EV5 expression pedals and haven't had much luck. the best I've been able to do is by switching polarity on the effect getting it to instantly from one end of the range to the other, but I have to change the polarity again to change it back. I've also tried my Moogerfooger expression pedal with no luck. Am I going to have to buy Korg pedals to make this work? Any help greatly appreciated.... Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 18:09:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26536; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:09:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:09:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:55:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Vortex at Harmony Central Resent-Message-ID: <"H0MxG3.0.T56.92iMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's a nice little stocking stuffer.... Don't email me, I'm keeping mine......however I do have a jam man over at ebay.... Patrick FS: Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Vortex one-space rackmount morphing effects unit. With pedal, manual and original box. Where else could you process audio via "aerosol" or "bleen"? $205. Seller: Jay Kirk, E-mail: cap_title@bigfoot.com (Profile) Post Date: 12/17/99 Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 21:12:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00777; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:12:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006801bf48fb$f53a67e0$5c9d60cb@EVOL> From: "EVOL" To: References: Subject: Re: Whats the frequency Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:02:12 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"0kmgh1.0.Iq7.1lkMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's a tremelo effect. The best one I'ver used is built into a Yamaha amplifier from the 70's. Don't know the name or model number, but it had two input channels, tremelo and reverb. The amp unit powered a seperate cabinet loaded with square speakers made of some kind og plastic. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 21:22:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02774; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:22:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007501bf48fd$1eeae6e0$5c9d60cb@EVOL> From: "EVOL" To: References: Subject: roland CR8000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:10:14 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"jpLSw1.0.ZC.pskMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does any one have or know where I can find a manual for the Roland Compu Rythm CR8000 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 22:55:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19639; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:55:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991218035010.55339.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: optigan lovers Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:50:10 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"QfiuV2.0.DZ4.JImMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On another note, Optiganally Yours also did a cover of Steve Reich's "4 Organs", all on optigans!! >From: Cummings >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: optigan lovers >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:00 +0100 > >this site may be of interest: > > > >the optigan is/was a bizarre keyboard made by mattel in the 70's that >has now acheived cult status ... you know how such things happen. > >anyway, does anybody out there have one of these? > >rob > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 23:10:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22369; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:10:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:10:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991218033244.31697.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sony Rip-Off issue resolved!!! Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:32:43 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"fjpSG2.0.6o3.y1mMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In all fairness I should post this, even though I said I wouldn't post on this issue anymore. Anyway it turns out the the record label guy sent a letter to the 300+ of us that protested. He apologized and said he wasn't going to make the CD's anymore, so if you were going to write him hate mail, it's not necessary anymore! Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest on LD in this issue so this is definitely the last post about it. sorry, Mr. Tough "TAKING YOUR MEAT AND STEALING YOUR FIRE SINCE 1897!" Mike & Rolando, unfortunately you were not able to get back to me personally. Some direct words from you to us could have avoided a lot of misunderstandings, wrong suspicions and excitement causing damage to both sides. Obviously you think, that it is our aim to make UR customers buy Sony records. Kind of paradoxical. We don?t share your point of view that a cover version of Jaguar makes you sell less records. The people interested in your original vinyl are way different to Sony buyers. People who have bought UR records will still buy UR records. In the past days we have received a lot of feedback from the underground to our cover. Apart from some people just abusing Sony Music with 4-letter words, many people express their feelings in a detailed and reasonable style. We understand that you generally disagree with the whole major company business. In this case Sony can be reproached for picking up someone elses idea for profit reasons without taking care of the attitude of the inventor. We realize, that even that we are save on the legal side and the reactions from the ?overground? to our version are euphoric, its commercial release would cause a damage to the relationship of the industry to the underground that could not be compensated. We see ourselves as a company supporting and benefitting from inventive artists. Instead of trying to benefit from the huge buzz that has been created, we have decided to respect your attitude and declare that we will not work any further on the Jaguar cover. Sony Music will not commercially release the track rather on CD maxi or compilations. We are quite sure, that a different company will use the idea and milk the cashcow. We are sorry that we have hurt your feelings. Finally at least the UR record will benefit from the story. We wish you good luck and a lot of sales for this classic piece of music. Regards Dirk Dreyer A&R Manager Sony Music Dance Divsion ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 17 23:22:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24534; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:22:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:22:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991218034919.36629.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: optigan lovers Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:49:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"WGH121.0.uX4.WHmMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh yeah, I know a band in San Diego named Optiganally Yours that plays only Optigans! their web site is...oh wait they moved! This is their new website! (They used to be on 3 Mile Pilot's.) Optiganally Yours features Rob Crow, who's been in a ton of punk-like bands and is at his best when it's just him and a 4-track. Do you guys remember the Mellotron? That's often called 'the first sample keyboard' since it came from the late 60's. It had a seperate tape loop for each key and was made to imitate flute and orchestra sounds for folks who didn't have flute or orchestras. That's one in the beginning of 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and they also are present in numerous 70's prog-rock albums (like Yes). Well, supposedly, the optigan is even older, and shines light through marked discs to obtain previously sampled sounds. The discs are clear and plastic with black markings. They sound really innaccurate, but you're right Rob, they certainly have their cult status. Optigannally, Mr. Tough (Who'd rather have a mellotron) >From: Cummings >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: optigan lovers >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:00 +0100 > >this site may be of interest: > > > >the optigan is/was a bizarre keyboard made by mattel in the 70's that >has now acheived cult status ... you know how such things happen. > >anyway, does anybody out there have one of these? > >rob > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 06:18:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05084; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:18:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:18:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006501bf4948$ca68c500$9c99b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Korg AM8000 question Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:11:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"4dYiL1.0.Vr.9isMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, I have been trying to find a Korg AM8000 but haven´t found one here in Europe. Anyway i wanted to ask you if you are satisfied with the unit, drawbacks, sounds etc... is it suitable for guitar or is it more a studio piece? Thanks! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 07:44:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18091; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:44:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: loci@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991218034919.36629.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:21:17 +1423 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Coil Subject: Re: optigan lovers Resent-Message-ID: <"S51_p1.0.Cb3.hotMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Im John Balance of the band COIL . We have a well loved Optigan and used it on our last album Musick To Play In The Dark Vol 1. We have since gathered a whole load more of the discs and will be laying away of the holiday period recording the follow-up. We take the Optigan loops, treat them and then reprogramme them in Pro-tools etc. The Optigan is a hell of a lot less trouble to upkeep than a Mellotron. regards John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 10:04:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09881; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:04:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:04:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991218100329.00863ca0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:03:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: DL-4 = Bliss? In-Reply-To: <3859B2F6.EE273F0A@jimmygeorgearts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VpaTf2.0.OK2.z5wMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 09:50 PM 12/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >just had my first experience with the DL-4. ran my kinscherff acoustic >with sunrise pickup through the DL-4 then to my boomerang then to my .......>echo allot. the whole pedal rocks! although i've only sat with it a >short time, 1 hour or so, i would give it 5 stars. for the buck and bang >this is the pedal of the decade. i too have recently hit it with an coustic..then thru the Digitech 8 sec looper - then two amps... sheer joy... soloing over two clean acoustic loops... i think you're right - the bottomline, as it always is -- is the COST vs what ya get..to tink that a bunch of you will be able to getthis thing for under 200.... amazing ac *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 09:57:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08642; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:57:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991218095246.0085eb50@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:52:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: DL4 comments - How does it switch on????? In-Reply-To: <0.ae729043.258aa76d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xLW6a2.0.Vl1.rxvMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com But the flexibility of software-driven devices is part of what makes these new pedals >more than just an imitaion of the old stuff. If the DL4 can evolve without >straying from the strong vision of it's creator, I'd like to help! i agree with all ya said... i toowish for a coupleof these coolsuggestions.. my only fear is-- $50-$75 worth of extraparts means $200 extra or something like thaton the retail price..... let's play on!!! andre' *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 10:33:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15726; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:33:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:33:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385BA85B.E500BA23@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:29:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: optigan lovers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VUYEh.0.Ce3.LYwMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please put up some audio samples! thanks, jd Coil wrote: > Im John Balance of the band COIL . > > We have a well loved Optigan and used it on our last album Musick To Play > In The Dark Vol 1. We have since gathered a whole load more of the discs > and will be laying away of the holiday period recording the follow-up. We > take the Optigan loops, treat them and then reprogramme them in Pro-tools > etc. The Optigan is a hell of a lot less trouble to upkeep than a Mellotron. > > regards > > John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 10:26:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14612; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:26:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:26:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:22:22 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: sony X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.195 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wvfzf2.0.pL3.GRwMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com dear sir: what is the email aadress of the guy at sony. id like to send demos. i feel you on your thing but i could use a little major label licinsing $$$ as long as its on a song by song basis. I agreee that longterm you want to own your shit but sometime you gotta get capital to press your stuff in quantity and on time -- On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:50:10 Mr. Tough wrote: >On another note, Optiganally Yours also did a cover of Steve Reich's "4 >Organs", all on optigans!! > > >>From: Cummings >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers Delight >>Subject: optigan lovers >>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:00 +0100 >> >>this site may be of interest: >> >> >> >>the optigan is/was a bizarre keyboard made by mattel in the 70's that >>has now acheived cult status ... you know how such things happen. >> >>anyway, does anybody out there have one of these? >> >>rob >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 10:58:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21008; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.29a36781.258d07f2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:53:22 EST Subject: Re: Rvolver To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"eLPKU1.0.et4.wtwMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > dear list: im looking to recreate the sound of Revolver by the beatles. Thy > got the sound by var-speeding the tape and by using a leslie . How can i > home recorder with a pc for "tape" do this electroncally. var speed 1) record at a different sample rate to that which you are using to playback , your software should have the abilty to 'adjust sample rate' 2) Use 'convert sample type' to change from your original sample freq, then 'adjust sample rate' back to the original. your software (if not Cool Edit Pro) may use different terms, but the idea is that you can change sample rate by recalculating samples for a different rate, leaving the pitch the same. then you can change the sample rate leaving all the samples the same, hence varispeed. Leslie sim>>>>Lexicon MPX100 OR record with microphone whirling round Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 11:32:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27251; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:32:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:32:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg AM8000 question In-Reply-To: <006501bf4948$ca68c500$9c99b8d4@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id LAA26747 Resent-Message-ID: <"n5Inl3.0.FY6.pOxMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've only had it for a short while. For the kind of music I do, I can definitely use it live, if I can get the pedals to work. I would classify it as a pretty good multi-effects box that would be for the studio except that you've got a lot of tweakable parameters real-time that make it work fine for live situations. It has stuff a guitarist would use, but it's more of an all-around box than a guitarist's box. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hello there, > I have been trying to find a Korg AM8000 but haven´t found one here in > Europe. Anyway i wanted to ask you if you are satisfied with the unit, > drawbacks, sounds etc... is it suitable for guitar or is it more a studio > piece? > Thanks! > Luis > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 13:43:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19770; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:43:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:43:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:38:34 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Korg AM8000 question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA18625 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tsm3e2.0.Ea4.lIzMu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All in all a good deal at the lower prices you can find them for now. Very nice pitch shifting with 700 ms of delay and high freq. rolloff filtering included, dual ring modulators, decent multi-mode filters with either lfo or envelope follower control, and good phase shifters with up to 16 stages. The reverb isn't Lexicon quality, but certainly usable. I had hoped for LFO's like he Prophecy or Z1 has, and unfortunately these aren't quite there. There's no master LFO. Most, but not all, of the algorithms have a LFO that has sine, exponential or logo waveshapes, much like on the Digitech GSP 2101. Then you can "sample" the LFO at a variable rate, and optionally "smooth" the change, to get faux sample and hold effects, random clicks, etc. This feature is similar to the LFO on the Ensoniq ASR-10. I'd recommend it for a looping guitarist, as you can create some great ambient processing, as well as the more basic stuff. Mark >Hello there, >I have been trying to find a Korg AM8000 but haven´t found one here in >Europe. Anyway i wanted to ask you if you are satisfied with the unit, >drawbacks, sounds etc... is it suitable for guitar or is it more a studio >piece? >Thanks! >Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 17:47:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31641; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:47:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385C0E21.3849DF8A@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:43:46 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar - H3000 References: <199912162148.QAA06085@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c_sr-.0.TW7.Tu0Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Drew Skyfyre wrote: > Ken ! Thanks for the info. This is good stuff. Well, David B., Just > Intonation capable it is ! Implications boggle the mind, my little one > anyway... Arn't those things a bit pricey? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just get a guitar built? ;) -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 22:05:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17572; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:05:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:05:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991219025939.67868.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sony Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:59:39 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Mq4L-.0.-14.ye4Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark, Sure, the address is: dirk_dreyer@de.sonymusic.com Good luck in getting your stuff out. He may just be an A & R rep for Germany, I don't know. I'd also advise that you do some reading on record contracts before dealing with a record label with such legal clout. A good book is "This Business of Music". Someone suggested it to me, but I already have it. regards, Mr. Tough >From: "mark givens" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: sony >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:22:22 -0800 > > dear sir: what is the email aadress of the guy at sony. id like to send >demos. i feel you on your thing but i could use a little major label >licinsing $$$ as long as its on a song by song basis. I agreee that >longterm you want to own your shit but sometime you gotta get capital to >press your stuff in quantity and on time >-- > >On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:50:10 Mr. Tough wrote: > >On another note, Optiganally Yours also did a cover of Steve Reich's "4 > >Organs", all on optigans!! > > > > > >>From: Cummings > >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >>To: Loopers Delight > >>Subject: optigan lovers > >>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:53:00 +0100 > >> > >>this site may be of interest: > >> > >> > >> > >>the optigan is/was a bizarre keyboard made by mattel in the 70's that > >>has now acheived cult status ... you know how such things happen. > >> > >>anyway, does anybody out there have one of these? > >> > >>rob > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > >-- >Join the most exciting community of women on the web! >iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, >your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, >and dozens of problem-solving tools. >http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 22:05:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17623; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:05:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991219030029.93756.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Goddamn it! Sorry Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:00:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"W1d_31.0.a34.kf4Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Crap! I meant to just send that to mark. Sorry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 18 23:50:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05008; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:50:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:50:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912190446.UAA24697@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:46:35 -0600 Subject: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems From: "Tiktok World HQ" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oN0561.0.v_.iC6Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been pl`ying out with `n `mplified `coustic recently, `nd I'm running into feedb`ck problems once I get ` loop built up. I've tried eq, ph`se revers`l `nd ch`nging my spe`ker pl`cement, but it's still ` problem. Anyone h`ve `ny experience with the S`bine or Beringer feedb`ck extermin`tors, or h`ve `ny other suggestions? TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 05:19:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32734; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:19:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 05:19:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912191014.CAA13269@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:18:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ijnlk.0.jo7.R0BNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well good luck exterminatin' that feedback,but for me glorious,noisy,feedback of any kind can some how be used in some kind of musical sense. It is a gift to be cherished AND abused-rotsaruck...STANNER. ---------- >From: "Tiktok World HQ" >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems >Date: Sat, Dec 18, 1999, 9:46 PM > > I've been pl`ying out with `n `mplified `coustic recently, `nd I'm > running into feedb`ck problems once I get ` loop built up. I've tried eq, > ph`se revers`l `nd ch`nging my spe`ker pl`cement, but it's still ` > problem. Anyone h`ve `ny experience with the S`bine or Beringer > feedb`ck extermin`tors, or h`ve `ny other suggestions? TH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 08:49:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00363; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:49:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:49:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MyWarNerve@aol.com Message-ID: <0.27d0edf2.258e3b42@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:44:34 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"Or0UQ2.0.to7.a5ENu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If your guitar has a built in pickup, turn your level down while using your eq to boost your signal. If it's mic'ed, good luck as this has plagued musicians for a long time. Acoustic guitar feedback can be delt with, you just have to realize the volume aspect. Try turning it down. And as Stan pointed out, use it for all it's worth. A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 08:47:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32110; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:47:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 08:47:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@compuserve.com Message-ID: <385CDC28.AD3A75C8@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:22:48 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: optigan lovers References: <385BA85B.E500BA23@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kvnjV2.0.Wd7.Z2ENu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com great to see ya here john. now i'm definitely gonna go out and git me a copy of Musick To Play In The Dark V1 - is the follow-up V2? to all the others - be sure to check out COIL at: later, rob Jeff Duke schrieb: > > > please put up some audio samples! > > thanks, jd > > Coil wrote: > > > Im John Balance of the band COIL . > > > > We have a well loved Optigan and used it on our last album Musick To Play > > In The Dark Vol 1. We have since gathered a whole load more of the discs > > and will be laying away of the holiday period recording the follow-up. We > > take the Optigan loops, treat them and then reprogramme them in Pro-tools > > etc. The Optigan is a hell of a lot less trouble to upkeep than a Mellotron. > > > > regards > > > > John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 09:51:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11272; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:51:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:51:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385D6CCC.ABFA8E0B@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:39:56 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems References: <199912190446.UAA24697@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QnIYf.0.tM2.GzENu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok find a way to to close the hole (sorry I forgot the right word) its a sort of plastic disc that closes the hole with a spring system there are several companies that do that Ovation and Yamaha (your local dealer or a newsgroup can help) As I play a real beaten up Ovation I just use two or three layers of gaffer tape It will improve the feedback limit a lot but you'll easily understand there might be a limit Claude Tiktok World HQ wrote: > > I've been pl`ying out with `n `mplified `coustic recently, `nd I'm runninginto feedb`ck problems once I get ` loop built up. I've tried eq, ph`serevers`l `nd ch`nging my spe`ker pl`cement, but it's still ` problem.Anyone h`ve `ny experience with the S`bine or Beringer feedb`ckextermin`tors, or h`ve `ny other suggestions?TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 10:47:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21853; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:47:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:47:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <0.9f80c1b1.258e5661@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:40:17 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"TDoFf3.0.Cs4.enFNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have used the Behringer feedback destroyer and it works very well. In the mean time you might want to also check out the new Ultrasound amplifiers....read about the UltraSound amp in Bresh's website. Click here: THOM BRESH WEB WORLD Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 11:10:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26993; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:10:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991219110459.007a7bf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:04:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems In-Reply-To: <385D6CCC.ABFA8E0B@vtx.ch> References: <199912190446.UAA24697@magpie.a001.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xGpdn2.0.yL6.m8GNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This reminds me of a beat-up, warped acoustic I once had set up to play like a lap steel a la Weissenborn (sp?). I cut a hole in a CD, mounted a P-90ish pickup in it and duct-taped it over the soundhole. It had a somewhat unusual tone, but helped cut down some on the runaway feedback. At REALLY high volumes, though, the whole thing would shake and oscillate; it was great to use as a drone, with EQ changes accenting different overtones, especially in open tunings with a ton of delay and a volume pedal to keep it just this side of chaos! Tim At 03:39 PM 12/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >find a way to to close the hole (sorry I forgot the right word) >its a sort of plastic disc that closes the hole with a spring system >there are several companies that do that Ovation and Yamaha (your local >dealer or a newsgroup can help) > >As I play a real beaten up Ovation I just use two or three layers of >gaffer tape From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 11:36:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31613; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:36:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:36:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "hypatie d'Alexandrie" Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:31:31 +0100 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Need help with Boss RSD-10 sampling delay. X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FineT1.0.UV7.5ZGNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I have an old Boss RSD-10 sampling delay (half rack series). I have no manual, and I cannot figure out how the 4 sampling modes work. Question: Is this of any good for some (primitive, one second) looping? Can anybody give me some explanations about this unit in general and the "overdub" knob in particular? Emmanuel. ______________________________________________________ E-mail gratuit - MultiMania - http://www.multimania.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 12:16:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05915; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:16:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991219171228.97504.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.152.169.81] From: "David Potter" To: lmandres@earthlink.net, marlew@pc-intouch.com, Tinkurbelle@hotmail.com, jeremypot@yahoo.com, Circle@Circle-of-Light.com, chaskapotter@yahoo.com, cstarkes@compuserve.com, ckyman@nextlink.net, pottercorey@hotmail.com, dal42@inreach.com, davemnz@yahoo.com, Gaptahoe@aol.com, KitchyK@aol.com, thieles@pacbell.net, potter@cruzio.com, gbutterrr@aol.com, mhull@aptoshs.pv.k12.ca.us, jeffreypotter@hotmail.com, giannaitaly@yahoo.com, worldtree@earthlink.net, antarjyoti@earthlink.net, ragtop@got.net, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, mcarpenter@sccs@santacruz.k12.ca.us, mbiffle@svg.com, oskyjane@aol.com, Ratna@garlic.com, global@cruzio.com, kachuck@earthlink.net, serenapotter@hotmail.com, pottertree@aol.com, vaughnpotter@hotmail.com, zev@sasquatch.com Subject: Merry Christmas,Happy Hollidays Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:12:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"k8hFo3.0.QM1.T8HNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If we place Spirit at a distance, it is but that distance that we honor. If indeed God be far away, then who else is it that is creating this world? If we think that God is not here...then we wander further and further away and seek in vain with tears. Where God is far off, God is unattainable. Where God is near, it is Bliss. Kabir says,"Lest the student should suffer pain, the Divine pervades him through and through." Know yourself then Oh Kabir, For God is in You from head to foot. Sing with Gladness and keep your seat unmoved within your heart. Happy Days and God Bless Uncle-Brother-Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 15:56:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12298; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:56:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:56:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991219203459.29866.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.33] From: "Zachary West" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Need some info on Yamaha SU700 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:34:59 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"o3vCo1.0.8_1.K6KNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey there, I just brought the Su700, I have it about 5 days, and I already love it. Even though I am still working my way through the 300 page intro book, it seems like it was put together to well. Sure there are a few things that I have noticed that I would like to be able to do with the machine, but there also alot of things that I haven't even read about, or figured out that will probably make up for it in the end. If you want to talk more about email me. I'd like someone to discuss it with. I'll even fax you a few sample pages on the intro book if youd like. JUst let me know. Talk to you soon. Zachary West >From: LAWYA-G@webtv.net (FRANTZ CYPRIEN) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Need some info on Yamaha SU700 >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:44:19 -0500 (EST) > >I'm new to the sampling and looping scene, and I was thinking about >picking up a Yamaha SU700 to complement my studio. Does anyone out >there know anything about this machine.....pros and cons....any info >will be most useful. Thanx. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 16:10:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14743; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:10:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3652eb69.258e9f9d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:52:45 EST Subject: Re: Merry Christmas,Happy Hollidays To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"NfFjc1.0.fo2.2NKNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A favorite of mine for 30 years, from Lawrence Ferlinghetti (a 'beat' poet of the late 50's/early 60's) Christ Climbed Down Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and ran away to where there were no rootless Christmas trees hung with candycanes and breakable stars Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and ran away to where there were no gilded Christmas trees and no tinsel Christmas trees and no tinfoil Christmas trees and no pink plastic Christmas trees and no gold Christmas trees and no black Christmas trees and no powderblue Christmas trees hung with electric candles and encircled by tin electric trains and clever cornball relatives Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and ran away to where no intrepid Bible salesmen covered the territory in two-tone cadillacs and where no Sears Roebuck creches complete with plastic babe in manger arrived by parcel post the babe by special delivery and where no televised Wise Men praised the Lord Calvert Whiskey Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and ran away to where no fat handshaking stranger in a red flannel suit and a fake white beard went around passing himself off as some sort of North Pole saint crossing the desert to Bethlehem Pennsylvania in a Volkswagon sled drawn by rollicking Adirondack reindeer with German names and bearing sacks of Humble Gifts from Saks Fifth Avenue for everybody's imagined Christ child Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and ran away to where no Bing Crosby carollers groaned of a tight Christmas and where no Radio City angels iceskated wingless thru a winter wonderland into a jinglebell heaven daily at 8:30 with Midnight Mass matinees Christ climbed down from His bare Tree this year and softly stole away into some anonymous Mary's womb again where in the darkest night of everybody's anonymous soul He awaits again an unimaginable and impossibly Immaculate Reconception the very craziest of Second Comings from "A Coney Island of the Mind" copyright 1958 by Lawrence Ferlinghetti From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 16:32:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19539; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991219211954.35156.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:19:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"kCQt22.0.054.RmKNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some friends and I were making a 'live' recording a while ago. Two of us were wired directly in but we also had a flutist looping herself via DOD DFX 94. She was using both contact and regular mics. As you can imagine, we had similar feedback problem. With lack of funds and technological expertise, we just put her in the back corner of the room and set up a bunch of cardboard boxes around her to help keep amplifier sound from getting back into the mic. After some adapting and fussing with all the before and after volume controls, we were able to get a decent recording. Of course, this would not have worked as well aesthetically if we were playing to an audience. >From: "Tiktok World HQ" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:46:35 -0600 > >I've been pl`ying out with `n `mplified `coustic recently, `nd I'm >running into feedb`ck problems once I get ` loop built up. I've tried eq, >ph`se revers`l `nd ch`nging my spe`ker pl`cement, but it's still ` >problem. Anyone h`ve `ny experience with the S`bine or Beringer >feedb`ck extermin`tors, or h`ve `ny other suggestions? TH > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 19:25:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19851; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:25:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:25:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385D766B.4DA24119@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:20:59 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems References: <0.27d0edf2.258e3b42@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ykFvq1.0.qW4.rPNNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have been processing acoustic guitars with effect and the like for many years now. the best pickup to use for doing such sonic endeavours is the sunrise sound hole pick up by james kaufman, http://www.sunrisepickups.com/ . it is a magnetically wound pick up tailored for the acoustic guitar. i cut a sound hole cover in half and let the pick up sit in the middle allowing just a bit of air to circulate inside the guitar body. this has allowed me to use distortions and many other high frequency effects on the acoustic guitar with limited / controllable feedback. ted nuggent used to stuff foam and shirts inside his birdland hollow body. i like a bit of air to move around for feedback control. between this pick up and various gate settings you can get away with most the luxuries that an electric player has to their sonic advantage. feel free to e mail me directly if you have any questions on amplifying the acoustic in a non traditional way. i've got lots of info. peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com MyWarNerve@aol.com wrote: > If your guitar has a built in pickup, turn your level down while using your > eq to boost your signal. If it's mic'ed, good luck as this has plagued > musicians for a long time. Acoustic guitar feedback can be delt with, you > just have to realize the volume aspect. Try turning it down. And as Stan > pointed out, use it for all it's worth. > A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 19 20:13:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32019; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:13:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:13:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3eda1910.258edb5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:07:43 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"WtjT6.0.rc7.66ONu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As regards, pickups....those of you that haven't tried the RMC's might be in for a surprise. Very Natural sounding the individual string saddles have phase cancelling between strings to cut down on the feedback issues. Many are using this pickup which happens to be stock on Multiacs by Godin. I have them on my flamenco guitars as well as my Martin OM-45...they sound great, and feedback is never a problem with these. An added bonus...they drive the Roland VG-8, GR series synthesizers, too! Also, check out the new B Band pickups, too! Click here: EMF Acoustics Oy Ltd For info on RMC Pickups...Click here: RMC Pickups Regards, Wayne From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 05:43:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15141; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:43:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:43:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: Echoplex noise Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"vynsp1.0.tS3.KSWNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I remember reading about a similar problem...and I am searching the list as I type... My Plex just started acting funny after I switched it's position in a 6-space rack. Basically, at my 'normal' input level (with the input knob only a quarter up), the resulting loop is quite distorted, with added white noise and loss of bass, almost as if the sound is cutting in and out at times. There are no power amps in my rack, although it is next to a synth module that seems to get a little warm. It certainly sounds like it *could* be heat related, I just want to know which of you had a similar problem and how you solved it. And I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but when this happens and I switch it back on, for just a moment, a '666' flashes on the LEDs...how weird is that? hehe Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 07:36:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02072; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:36:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:36:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: McMorrough_James/londres_sistemas@sinvest.es X-OpenMail-Hops: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:26:38 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0d4b7e8e-00000001" Resent-Message-ID: <"j9OsP3.0.4I.G7YNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --openmail-part-0d4b7e8e-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:16:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:16:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01bf4afc$318e8120$10916fd4@oemcomputer> From: "althorn" To: References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:09:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"tpd2G3.0.Cf7.hPaNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 12:26 PM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 11:44:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21080; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:44:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:44:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385E57F7.68A0@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:23:19 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" CC: jhaible@debitel.net Subject: FWD: [AH] Line6 DL4 modifications References: <2BEB95546DCDD211A6A100805FEA47CA013EC009@nbgm339a.nbgm.siemens.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-yAZc3.0.Iw3.MVbNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a forwarded review of the DL4 with some questions written by Haible Juergen on the Analog Heaven mailing list. if anyone can help him please follow up to his address at: jhaible@debitel.net --------------------------------- > I got my DL4 Delay Modeller last weekend. This > thing needs some modifications. > > Does anybody on the list have the dedicated > expression pedal ? I need the pinout of the connection > (pot wiper on ring or on tip of the plug ?), and the resistance > value of the potentiometer. > What to do with that ? First, use one the pedals I already have, > second, use a CV from the Modular to morph between the > DL4's parameters. > > Next thing might be a dedicated switch for backwards mode. > Something that produces the required double click from > an extra switch and a little oscillator. > > What I wanted to do most of all, sadly might not be possible. > I wanted to add a negative feedback loop around the whole device > to get an adjustable fade out of the loop contents in Overdoub > mode. But apparently there is also some considerable delay > of the external (analogue, negative) loop compared to the internal, > digital loop, so you get a weird flanging instead of partial cancellation. > Would have been too nice (;->). > > How do I like it, btw ? > I got a mixed impression. I do not regret I have bought it: I wanted a > loooong loop sampler, and I got one for DM 650,-. That's what > I was ready to spend for this function, so the other modes are > just an extra bonus for me. I was curious about the quality of > the "vintage" FX emulations, of course. Some I did like better, some > I didn't like at all. > > My favorites are the "low res digital delay" and the "digital delay with > modulation". The decrease of quality with every reflection sounds > very similar to many digital delays I've heard. It's nicely emulated > (but then I think it should be easy to emulate, shouldn't it ?). The > modulated delay sounds like a slow vibrato in the feedback loop. > I haven't heard the original Electro Harmonix box, so I cannot really > compare, but I like the sound. It's as good as on the other digital delays > with LFO that I own. > > The "tape echoes" are some funny programs. I own a real Roland > RE-201 (the reverb-less model RE-101 is emulated as "multi head > echo"), but none of the other two emulated tape devices > (called "tube echo" and "tape echo"), so my opinion is restricted to this > background. > "Tube echo": Wow and flutter of tape emulation: Not bad. Better than > I had expected. Tube drive & Tape saturation emulation: What, only > one knob for both parameters ? I did not like the sound of this distortion > at all. (see below) > "Tape echo": Treble and Bass, but no more tweakable tape saturation? > Hmm ... > "Multi Head Echo". Ok, this is where I can really compare with the original. > There is some tape distortion and wow & flutter, but it's not adjustable. > And it's way too much "dirt". I do not doubt that there are worn and run > down Space Echoes out there that sound like this, but I'd rather have > a simulation of a *good* one. I mean, my RE-201 has that nice chorussing > tape speed fluctuations, but it doesn't sound bad or "low fi". It *can* > be overdriven, and sound quite nasty, but it also can sound very clean > even after multiple echo repetitions. The DL4 sounds nothing like that. > It probably shows how "dirty" a RE-201 *can* sound, which is a tiny > fraction of the original's possiblities. The adjustable parameters > of the "tube echo" model are much better, but the distortion is still > not as nice as on my (non tube!) RE-201. > "Analogue echo": This is funny. They have implemented some artefacts > that that occur when a BBD delay's delay time is tweaked in real time. > The artefacts are impressive, but they are somewhat different from what > I've expected. I have played with the delay knob of many BBD delays > and got a similar effect on all of them, but quite different to the effect > the DL4 produces. I cannot tell about the particulat Boss delay they > emulated, because I don't have the original. So I may be wrong here. > > Bottom line: As I said, I bought this box because of the Loop Sampler. > I like it very much. it's my first "real" Loop device, and it's so intuitive > that I recorded a song with it on the first day. I wished it had a knob > for "feedback" that works in the overdoub mode. Sometimes you don't > want to build and build and build up, but you want to gradually erease > your previous stuff and build up a new loop in real time. I'd rather > have this than the extra delay function that is built into the Loop Sampler. > > The other models are nice. A nice addition, and some of them really > pleasant. Just don't expect they can replace an original tape echo. > > I guess this mini-review part was a little off topic. But don't forget to > give me feedback on the expression pedal. > Ist there a special mailing list for these boxes ? > > JH. -- ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 12:11:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27110; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:11:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:04:30 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, L.Angulo@t-online.de Subject: Re: Korg AM8000 question Resent-Message-ID: <"p6guF1.0.CK6.O7cNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I love it for guitar... I also think it's a pretty high quality device. Reverbs are probably the weakest of the algorythyms, but they're a LOT better than my GT-5 verbs. I'd say they would pass for general use. Many of the other effects are really nice and have a very studio like quality... For the price, I don't think there's anything else out there quite like it. ($300.00 US). Best regards, -Miko >>> Luis Angulo 12/18 3:16 AM >>> Hello there, I have been trying to find a Korg AM8000 but haven*t found one here in Europe. Anyway i wanted to ask you if you are satisfied with the unit, drawbacks, sounds etc... is it suitable for guitar or is it more a studio piece? Thanks! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 13:30:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11841; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:30:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:30:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:09:56 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Cc: Tsanz@svg.com Subject: DL4 and high level signal... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id NAA10472 Resent-Message-ID: <"zZ3xC.0.sZ2.vGdNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... I've decided to return my Line6 DL4 for the following reason. I tend to run my GT-5 fairly hot to my Mackie 1202VLZ mixer... Usually around +3 - +6 db. I inititially tested the DL4 in the GT-5 mono fx loop which apparently doesn't run at that level. The loop seems to work well with stomp boxes. So I did that for about a week, listening with delight to my new delay modeller wonder box... no distortion. This weekend, I decided to check out the stereo capabilities POST GT-5 into my mixer (and into my Korg AM8000r as well as the EDP) and found that I had to lower the output level of the GT-5 quite a lot to eliminate digital distortion in the DL4. This might have been ok to a certain degree, but the level is in the -4 and below range which makes mixing a bit of a hassle. I end up boosting things everywhere and generate more noise throughout my system. So as much as I actually love the box, I'm making the hard decision to let go of it. Ouch... Just wanted to see if any of you are trying your DL4's in these sort of applications and getting similar results? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 15:06:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02226; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:06:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991220115519.00834e30@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:55:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Atb761.0.Gt7.MeeNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Miko, My experience with the DL4, and also Line6's POD is that they are designed to work with a signal coming from a guitar. As soon as they get a line level signal, they clip pretty easily. I tried using my pod as a insert on guitar tracks on a recent recording and we had to mess around a bit to pad the signal coming into the pod. I imagine the DL4 is similar in that it has no input level control (again, like the POD). I have been running my bass preamp (tech21 bass driver) after the dl-4, and was planning to experiment and place it before after i get the holidays over with. I will post the results if anything weird comes up. Is there any sort of clip indicator on the DL4, or are you just hearing the distortion? later, rich At 11:09 AM 12/20/99 -0800, you wrote: >Well... I've decided to return my Line6 DL4 for the following reason. > >I tend to run my GT-5 fairly hot to my Mackie 1202VLZ mixer... Usually around +3 - +6 db. I inititially tested the DL4 in the GT-5 mono fx loop which apparently doesn't run at that level. The loop seems to work well with stomp boxes. So I did that for about a week, listening with delight to my new delay modeller wonder box... no distortion. > >This weekend, I decided to check out the stereo capabilities POST GT-5 into my mixer (and into my Korg AM8000r as well as the EDP) and found that I had to lower the output level of the GT-5 quite a lot to eliminate digital distortion in the DL4. This might have been ok to a certain degree, but the level is in the -4 and below range which makes mixing a bit of a hassle. I end up boosting things everywhere and generate more noise throughout my system. So as much as I actually love the box, I'm making the hard decision to let go of it. Ouch... > >Just wanted to see if any of you are trying your DL4's in these sort of applications and getting similar results? > >Best, >-Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 15:45:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11206; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:45:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:45:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385E9512.1D5F2F71@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:44:15 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVpMd2.0.xE2.SEfNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mark givens wrote: > dear list: whats the best pedal for creating the shimmering sound of "Whats the FREQUENCY KENneth "off of REM 's Monster lp. As you can see im buying a lot of fx. I likeddidcated pedals instead of all in one deals becaose i like knobs. I like my whammy though but one is enough . Im looking at the Ibanez chorus flange modulator next($69 at musiciansfriend.com. Any reviews? as was previously noted, this is a tremelo effect. most likely (since i recall from the video of this song) it's the built-in circuit from a vox AC30 combo amp. my AC15 has a similar (if not identical) circuit and i can easily dial up that sound. the deal is, though, that the vox effect is quite a different beast from, say a fender blackface trem circuit (original or reissue) in that the amplitude modulation in the vox circuit is so extreme that is virtually cuts the signal to zero in the deepest setting. what you get is that very on/off wobbly sound (which btw was used in combination with a noise gate by johnny marr to get his trademark stutter). i have a demeter tremulator pedal in addition to a de-cbs'ed super twin w/ a blackface trem circuit, and neither of these trems do the stutter like the vox. i don't know what's out there in tremelo-modelling land these days, but i would think someone would have taken the time to digitally cop this classic effect by now. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 16:55:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25675; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:55:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:55:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Tiit Kikas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: PMC-10 picture? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:05:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"-it5a.0.c-3.lifNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How does PMC-10 look like? Is there any picture of it anywhere? Tiit Kikas tkikas@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 16:58:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26686; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:58:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:58:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FF5E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"HxG12.0.r76.3KgNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in that the amplitude modulation in the vox circuit is so extreme that is virtually cuts the signal to zero in the deepest setting. what you get is that very on/off wobbly sound (which btw was used in combination with a noise gate by johnny marr to get his trademark stutter). i have a demeter tremulator pedal in addition to a de-cbs'ed super twin w/ a blackface trem circuit, and neither of these trems do the stutter like the vox. i don't know what's out there in tremelo-modelling land these days, but i would think someone would have taken the time to digitally cop this classic effect by now. ** you could check out the fulltone supatrem. it has both hard and soft waves (i guess square and saw?). the hard gets a pretty cool gating sound . . . and you can mix the effect versus straight signal. the (allegedly) soon-to-be-released mm4 from line6 is supposed to have a trem based on the vox trems . . . i don't know the sound that's being discussed, so i don't know if the supatrem would do - - it may be worth investigating tho', it is akiller trem. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 16:56:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25873; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:56:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:18:55 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, rich@nuvision.com Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... Resent-Message-ID: <"ovOD7.0.ET4.6sfNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Is there any sort of clip indicator on the DL4, or are you just hearing the distortion? rich No clip indicator... I'm hearing the nasty crackling sound! Back off the GT-5 output and all is well... except the level is now very low requiring more crank than is healthy for my signal to noise ratio. -Miko Miko wrote... >>I tend to run my GT-5 fairly hot to my Mackie 1202VLZ mixer... Usually around +3 - +6 db. I inititially tested the DL4 in the GT-5 mono fx loop which apparently doesn't run at that level. The loop seems to work well with stomp boxes. So I did that for about a week, listening with delight to my new delay modeller wonder box... no distortion. >>This weekend, I decided to check out the stereo capabilities POST GT-5 into my mixer (and into my Korg AM8000r as well as the EDP) and found that I had to lower the output level of the GT-5 quite a lot to eliminate digital distortion in the DL4. This might have been ok to a certain degree, but the level is in the -4 and below range which makes mixing a bit of a hassle. I end up boosting things everywhere and generate more noise throughout my system. So as much as I actually love the box, I'm making the hard decision to let go of it. Ouch... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 17:45:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05206; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:45:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:45:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <385EB181.58D7DB01@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:45:48 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sony (*i feel you on your thing*) OT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vXfua2.0.Jr.80hNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com mark givens wrote: > dear sir: what is the email aadress of the guy at sony. id like to send demos. i feel you on your thing but i could use a little major label licinsing $$$ as long as its on a song by song basis. I agreee that longterm you want to own your shit but sometime you gotta get capital to press your stuff in quantity and on time i'm glad someone out there understood this! :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 20:41:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11332; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Curbie" To: Subject: RE: Merry Christmas,Happy Hollidays Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:25:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991219171228.97504.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QUDTU2.0.uT2.6ajNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks David. Merry Christmas everyone! -----Original Message----- From: David Potter [mailto:papadave55@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 9:12 AM To: lmandres@earthlink.net; marlew@pc-intouch.com; Tinkurbelle@hotmail.com; jeremypot@yahoo.com; Circle@Circle-of-Light.com; chaskapotter@yahoo.com; cstarkes@compuserve.com; ckyman@nextlink.net; pottercorey@hotmail.com; dal42@inreach.com; davemnz@yahoo.com; Gaptahoe@aol.com; KitchyK@aol.com; thieles@pacbell.net; potter@cruzio.com; gbutterrr@aol.com; mhull@aptoshs.pv.k12.ca.us; jeffreypotter@hotmail.com; giannaitaly@yahoo.com; worldtree@earthlink.net; antarjyoti@earthlink.net; ragtop@got.net; loopers-delight@annihilist.com; mcarpenter@sccs@santacruz.k12.ca.us; mbiffle@svg.com; oskyjane@aol.com; Ratna@garlic.com; global@cruzio.com; kachuck@earthlink.net; serenapotter@hotmail.com; pottertree@aol.com; vaughnpotter@hotmail.com; zev@sasquatch.com Subject: Merry Christmas,Happy Hollidays If we place Spirit at a distance, it is but that distance that we honor. If indeed God be far away, then who else is it that is creating this world? If we think that God is not here...then we wander further and further away and seek in vain with tears. Where God is far off, God is unattainable. Where God is near, it is Bliss. Kabir says,"Lest the student should suffer pain, the Divine pervades him through and through." Know yourself then Oh Kabir, For God is in You from head to foot. Sing with Gladness and keep your seat unmoved within your heart. Happy Days and God Bless Uncle-Brother-Papa Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 21:13:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17990; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:13:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:13:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.8304cb4f.25903b33@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:08:51 EST Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Resent-Message-ID: <"EoBOG.0.Q84.P5kNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 99-12-20 16:58:00 EST, you write: << ** you could check out the fulltone supatrem. it has both hard and soft waves (i guess square and saw?). the hard gets a pretty cool gating sound . . . and you can mix the effect versus straight signal. >> The Fulltone does get that sound. I use a Dunlop Tremolo, it has a knob to adjust from soft to hard wave shape. I had to tweak an internal trim pot or two to bunp the effects output a bit, though, as it had a slight dip in signal. The Fulltone actually uses a 1 dB boost when engaged and it really helps cut through. When I saw Peter Buck a couple of years ago he was using the Diaz Tremodillo pedal, sometimes using a pretty hard chop. It's possible that is also what he used in that recording. I found the used Dunlop for $70, so after making the tweak I was very happy. I think people dump them because they are to quiet when engaged. But some careful tweaking will make it better than most others. Gets a full off-on chop if you want. Also does stereo panning and will pass a stereo signal through bypass or effect with or without pan. Versatile yet simple to use. eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 20 23:38:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21155; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:38:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912210421.UAA10460@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:25:30 -0700 Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gBa9q.0.1I4.41mNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow good info-for my own 2 cents worth,I use the TREMELO/PAN PN2 by Boss-it does the panning etc but for my buck the tremelo depth is the bomb-it goes dead off between pulses and its almost scary. Boss has a new Tremelo, the TR2 and it sucks-very weak trem-has the same pot as the pn2, you can go from saw to square .you can still find used PN2s . ......have a loopy holiday all.....STANNER ---------- >From: Echopark99@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) >Date: Mon, Dec 20, 1999, 7:08 PM > > In a message dated 99-12-20 16:58:00 EST, you write: > > << > ** you could check out the fulltone supatrem. it has both hard and soft > waves (i guess square and saw?). the hard gets a pretty cool gating sound . > . . and you can mix the effect versus straight signal. > >> > The Fulltone does get that sound. I use a Dunlop Tremolo, it has a knob to > adjust from soft to hard wave shape. I had to tweak an internal trim pot or > two to bunp the effects output a bit, though, as it had a slight dip in > signal. The Fulltone actually uses a 1 dB boost when engaged and it really > helps cut through. > > When I saw Peter Buck a couple of years ago he was using the Diaz Tremodillo > pedal, sometimes using a pretty hard chop. It's possible that is also what he > used in that recording. > > I found the used Dunlop for $70, so after making the tweak I was very happy. > I think people dump them because they are to quiet when engaged. But some > careful tweaking will make it better than most others. Gets a full off-on > chop if you want. Also does stereo panning and will pass a stereo signal > through bypass or effect with or without pan. Versatile yet simple to use. > > eric p > echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 00:16:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28990; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:16:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991221045814.78899.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "Mr. Tough" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:58:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"gCM-V.0.2A6.AamNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "althorn" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: unsubscribe >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:09:19 -0000 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 12:26 PM >Subject: unsubscribe > > >unsubscribe > > unsubscribe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 11:40:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28175; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:40:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991221082532.00838ac0@pop3.argotech.net> X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:25:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rich Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) In-Reply-To: <0.8304cb4f.25903b33@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8v4dD3.0.wI6.JjwNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey loopers, They are a bit hard to find, but the Boss PN-2 Tremelo/Pan gets a strong on/off sound as well, with variable depth and speed control.(it can go reaaaaaally sloooow) I have had mine for about 8 years now and i'm dreading when it's just gonna get up and die. Although the Modulation Modeler coming from Line6 is supposed to have a modeled tremelo in it...We shall see... later, rich At 09:08 PM 12/20/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-12-20 16:58:00 EST, you write: > ><< > ** you could check out the fulltone supatrem. it has both hard and soft > waves (i guess square and saw?). the hard gets a pretty cool gating sound . > . . and you can mix the effect versus straight signal. > >> >The Fulltone does get that sound. I use a Dunlop Tremolo, it has a knob to >adjust from soft to hard wave shape. I had to tweak an internal trim pot or >two to bunp the effects output a bit, though, as it had a slight dip in >signal. The Fulltone actually uses a 1 dB boost when engaged and it really >helps cut through. > >When I saw Peter Buck a couple of years ago he was using the Diaz Tremodillo >pedal, sometimes using a pretty hard chop. It's possible that is also what he >used in that recording. > >I found the used Dunlop for $70, so after making the tweak I was very happy. >I think people dump them because they are to quiet when engaged. But some >careful tweaking will make it better than most others. Gets a full off-on >chop if you want. Also does stereo panning and will pass a stereo signal >through bypass or effect with or without pan. Versatile yet simple to use. > >eric p >echo park > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 11:47:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29505; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:47:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:47:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:08:11 -0600 Subject: fs: tc 2290 with sampling option $1825 (harmony central) From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2syRg1.0.a15.wNwNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FS: TC Electronic 2290 w/30 sec. sample option Asking Price: US$1825 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: TC 2290 Dynamic Digital Delay and effects controller with 30 sec. sample and fast trigger options installed. The 2290 has 5 seperate effects loops, sample-on-sample, looping, and modulation, among its many features. See the reviews in the Harmony Central effects section. Unit is in mint condition with original manual and binder. References available upon request. Seller: Jonah Whale, E-mail: jwhale_sea@yahoo.com (Profile) Post Date: 12/20/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 12:24:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05989; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:24:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:59:34 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: RE: how soon is now(was what the X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.219 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lu8GF3.0.j_7.x8xNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanx! I m glad you brought up Juhnny marr. That was another "Tremolo "classic. -- On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:35 Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >in that the amplitude modulation in the vox circuit is so extreme that is >virtually cuts the signal to zero in the deepest setting. what you get is >that very on/off wobbly sound (which btw was used in combination with a >noise gate by johnny marr to get his trademark stutter). i have a demeter >tremulator pedal in addition to a de-cbs'ed super twin w/ a blackface trem >circuit, >and neither of these trems do the stutter like the vox. i don't know what's >out there in tremelo-modelling land these days, but i would think someone >would have taken the time to digitally cop this classic effect by now. > > >** you could check out the fulltone supatrem. it has both hard and soft >waves (i guess square and saw?). the hard gets a pretty cool gating sound . >. . and you can mix the effect versus straight signal. > >the (allegedly) soon-to-be-released mm4 from line6 is supposed to have a >trem based on the vox trems . . . > >i don't know the sound that's being discussed, so i don't know if the >supatrem would do - - it may be worth investigating tho', it is akiller >trem. > >stig > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 15:10:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09707; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:10:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:36:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991221082532.00838ac0@pop3.argotech.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"-Xaa7.0.xR.uQzNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Perhaps you meant "get *down* and die." Happy christmas to all. | -----Original Message----- | From: Rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] and i'm | dreading when it's just gonna get up and die. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 15:11:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10363; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:11:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:54:11 -0700 Subject: Wich type? From: Sebastian Woscoboinik To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Infomail-Id: 945805653.320801AC1E03A1.25653 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wv8rL.0.K41.UczNu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll build my own ECHPLEX Foot COntroller. But I need to know which type of Fott Switch i need. (7 Seven) BOSS FS-5U (Unlatch) or The BOSS FS-5L (Latch)? thanking you in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 16:17:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23008; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:17:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:17:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:13:14 +0000 Subject: Re: how soon is now(was what the From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"LFfjz3.0.Ts3.CM-Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine worked with Johnny Marr a while ago and said that Marr was showing off his (then) new VG-8 by demonstrating how easy it was to get the "How Soon..." intro sound. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: "mark givens" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: RE: how soon is now(was what the >Date: Tue, Dec 21, 1999, 4:59 pm > > thanx! I m glad you brought up Juhnny marr. That was another "Tremolo "classic. > -- > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:35 Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 16:46:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29519; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:46:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:46:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4fb7ca64.25914a14@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:24:36 EST Subject: maybe someone can help..........no outright loop content To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"T8nBV3.0.X26.q0_Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone know were i might be able to order a couple 8 channel 1/4 to 1/4 inch balance snakes for me computor so i might throw some of me LOOPIN to it? tanks!!!!! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 16:47:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29567; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:47:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:47:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991221213806.12260.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Wich type? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"5REXC3.0._i6.3D_Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sebastian, You need to use momentary contact, normally open switches to make a footswitch for the echoplex digital pro. For details see: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom bret --- Sebastian Woscoboinik wrote: > I'll build my own ECHPLEX Foot COntroller. But I > need to know which type of > Fott Switch i need. > > (7 Seven) BOSS FS-5U (Unlatch) or The BOSS FS-5L > (Latch)? > > > thanking you in advance. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 17:05:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00863; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:05:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:29:14 -0800 From: "mark givens" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: how soon is now(was what the X-Sender-Ip: 207.44.83.219 Organization: iVillage Free Email (http://fe-mail.ivillage.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Co4oS3.0.DI6.I5_Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how easy was it. What was your friend doing with johnny anyway? -- On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:13:14 Martin Shellard wrote: >A friend of mine worked with Johnny Marr a while ago and said that Marr was >showing off his (then) new VG-8 by demonstrating how easy it was to get the >"How Soon..." intro sound. > >Martin Shellard > > >---------- >>From: "mark givens" >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: RE: how soon is now(was what the >>Date: Tue, Dec 21, 1999, 4:59 pm >> > >> thanx! I m glad you brought up Juhnny marr. That was another "Tremolo >"classic. >> -- >> >> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:35 Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > > -- Join the most exciting community of women on the web! iVillage.com's FREE membership gets you private email, your own home page, special discounts and sweepstakes, and dozens of problem-solving tools. http://www.ivillage.com/frame/join_email.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 18:11:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14787; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:11:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:11:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.31af8da2.259161c5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:05:41 EST Subject: Re: how soon is now(was what the To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"KfhUr.0.IL3.gV0Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No matter what you use, it should be pretty easy. That song is actually one of the few covers I've done with someone, I did it with a heavy trem (using a softer wave shape) and a medium-speed Uni-vibe (Micro-Vibe) set before the trem. I used a compressor pedal in front of that, too, but it's not necessary. Adjust the speed of the two pedals so that the trem is going fast and the Vibe (a standard phaser might work) set to a slower sweep than the trem, maybe half. You'll find it by ear. It's a cool sound... ...that I use sometimes to texturize in my LOOPS (this is the LD list, right?). eric p echo park In a message dated 12/21/99 2:39:07 PM, markeg@ivillage.com writes: >how easy was it. What was your friend doing with johnny anyway? >-- > >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:13:14 Martin Shellard wrote: >>A friend of mine worked with Johnny Marr a while ago and said that Marr >was >>showing off his (then) new VG-8 by demonstrating how easy it was to get >the >>"How Soon..." intro sound. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 18:16:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16185; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:16:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:16:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:31:37 -0500 Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... From: klowy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Of8Kf.0.4h1.o__Nu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'm running my DL4 through a switchblade. i have a bunch of different settings for it. one setting is gtr to DL4, another is gtr to ART SGX2000 to H3000 harmonizer to DL4 to echoplex to amp (in stereo). and another is gtr to H3000 to DL4 to amp. no distortion at all. thought you'd like to know. klowy > Is there any sort of clip indicator on the DL4, or are you just >hearing the distortion? rich No clip indicator... I'm hearing the nasty crackling sound! Back off the GT-5 output and all is well... except the level is now very low requiring more crank than is healthy for my signal to noise ratio. -Miko Miko wrote... >>I tend to run my GT-5 fairly hot to my Mackie 1202VLZ mixer... Usually around +3 - +6 db. I inititially tested the DL4 in the GT-5 mono fx loop which apparently doesn't run at that level. The loop seems to work well with stomp boxes. So I did that for about a week, listening with delight to my new delay modeller wonder box... no distortion. >>This weekend, I decided to check out the stereo capabilities POST GT-5 into my mixer (and into my Korg AM8000r as well as the EDP) and found that I had to lower the output level of the GT-5 quite a lot to eliminate digital distortion in the DL4. This might have been ok to a certain degree, but the level is in the -4 and below range which makes mixing a bit of a hassle. I end up boosting things everywhere and generate more noise throughout my system. So as much as I actually love the box, I'm making the hard decision to let go of it. Ouch... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 18:21:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17404; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:21:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:21:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:15:24 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, klowy@wrinklemuzik.com Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... Resent-Message-ID: <"SpUoM.0.ww3.je0Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I DO tend to run things pretty hot, but have been backing them all down slightly. I probably could have accomodated the DL4 after some work, but I'm just too snowed with other aspects of my system to deal with it now. I may end up with one later... admittedly it's a super box! I'm green with envy that you're a switchblade owner... someday! -Miko >>> klowy 12/21 2:48 PM >>> > i'm running my DL4 through a switchblade. i have a bunch of different settings for it. one setting is gtr to DL4, another is gtr to ART SGX2000 to H3000 harmonizer to DL4 to echoplex to amp (in stereo). and another is gtr to H3000 to DL4 to amp. no distortion at all. thought you'd like to know. Miko... >> No clip indicator... I'm hearing the nasty crackling sound! Back off the GT-5 output and all is well... except the level is now very low requiring more crank than is healthy for my signal to noise ratio. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 19:03:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26625; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:03:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.18cc6126.259163b2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:13:54 EST Subject: Re: maybe someone can help..........no outright loop content To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"YJwdB.0.br3.Ld0Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry everybody that was meant to go to Brian directly. I could blame AOL but it was my fault. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 18:50:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23622; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.2d8e2dc0.2591636a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:12:42 EST Subject: Re: maybe someone can help..........no outright loop content To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"qLzlK1.0.9g3.Ec0Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just about any recording/studio store should have them. I've gotten some at Sam Ash (locally) but if you have no stores nearby, I think they have a mail order division. If you're on the cheap you can get the Hosa brand (not sure if they make balanced 1/4", though) - pay no more than $40 or so for this brand. I use that on my live loop-sample rig because it's not a pristine studio situation. In the studio you might step up to a better quality. I have balanced 1/4" 8 ch. snake, pro quality. I think it goes for $120 but got it used for $60 - also at Sam Ash. You might do a web search on "Recording supplies" if you can't go to a store. good luck eric p echo park In a message dated 12/21/99 2:45:58 PM, ENAT21213@aol.com writes: >anyone know were i might be able to order a couple 8 channel 1/4 to 1/4 >inch >balance snakes for me computor so i might throw some of me LOOPIN to it? >tanks!!!!! >brian > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 19:02:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26617; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991221232645.67604.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: References: Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:27:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"gqHAe.0.uY4.Np0Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've experienced clipping too, so I keep the input in check. I haven't experienced it to the point where I need to compensate at the mixer so much it introduces unbearable noise. I use the DL4 in variety of places: -an aux send on my Mackie 1202 -from the outputs of my POD (yeah, stereo!) -between my Ovation and amp (or home stereo if I practice upstairs) I would say it tends to break up at the same levels (or a little lower) as my EDP. Of course the EDP does have UNDO or an adjustable feedback to quickly rid the loop of the infringing overload. With the DL4 your stuck with the static until it fades over a few minutes, you manually fade out via the mix, or you stop the loop. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 19:27:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31832; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:27:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:00:10 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, g716@hotmail.com Subject: Re: DL4 and high level signal... Resent-Message-ID: <"OnHxU1.0.dT6.KJ1Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> "G716 - Greg S." 12/21 3:34 PM >>> > I've experienced clipping too, so I keep the input in check. I haven't experienced it to the point where I need to compensate at the mixer so much it introduces unbearable noise. I'm not willing to use it on an aux send due to phasing and volume problems... Maybe the Alt 3/4 on the Mackie... although my original intent with this box was as a small rig (no rack or mixer) setup. I've got a friend who uses his after his guitar amp/Holdsworth Harness/EQ setup and he also has to compensate to the point that he then has to jack his mixer and induce more hiss as well. He has no other looper so he's pretty dedicated to making it work. The box is so much fun... This is definitely what all the Boomerang users were raving about. Fun user interface... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 21 20:20:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12461; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:20:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:20:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:50:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Wich type? Resent-Message-ID: <"vewQP2.0.5r.P_1Ou"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That route will cost you a bundle and be unweildy. Check out the Looper's Delight website for the simple switches and resistors you'll need to build an EDP foot controller. It's easy; I made one in a 4" X 2" aluminum channel about 18" long. David Myers >I'll build my own ECHPLEX Foot COntroller. But I need to know which type of >Fott Switch i need. > >(7 Seven) BOSS FS-5U (Unlatch) or The BOSS FS-5L (Latch)? > > >thanking you in advance. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 06:29:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30342; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:29:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALDISCON From: "John McCullagh" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <8025684F.003E6818.00@morgan.aldiscon.ie> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:21:38 +0000 Subject: David Torn Guestbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7lwnc3.0.1B7.tHBOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Just to let you know I've added a guestbook to the David Torn site .. you can get to it through the "DT" logo on the index page. Or go straight there with this URL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Guests - all the best, John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 07:30:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08729; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:30:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3860BFCF.3237@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:10:55 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Xmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p710c.0.LB1.3zBOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Merry looping Xmas to you all Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 13:44:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15933; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:44:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:44:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000e01bf4ca6$af7dc2c0$cb83b3d1@bob> From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" To: , Subject: Re: Xmas Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:02:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lET-I.0.HD2.xHHOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com let Xmas = Xmas Colin|niloC -----Original Message----- From: PERILLE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 4:46 AM Subject: Xmas >Merry looping Xmas to you all > >Emmanuel > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 14:14:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22404; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:14:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008301bf4cae$46465c60$292a10ac@Douglas> From: "K. Douglas Baldwin" To: "lance glover" , Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tNFtr.0.qP4.svHOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >mark givens wrote: > >> dear list: whats the best pedal for creating the shimmering sound of "Whats the FREQUENCY KENneth "off of REM 's Monster lp. As you can see im buying a lot of fx. I likeddidcated pedals instead of all in one deals becaose i like knobs. I like my whammy though but one is enough . Im looking at the Ibanez chorus flange modulator next($69 at musiciansfriend.com. Any reviews? >and lance glover replied: >as was previously noted, this is a tremelo effect. (snip) >...i don't know what's out there in tremelo-modelling land these days, but i would think someone would have taken the time to digitally cop this classic effect by now. ..and I add, still off-topic: 1) The Roger Mayers high-priced trem box (sorry, I forgot the name) will do multiple trems with a variety of wave shapes. The secret ingredient is to access a square wave - that's the shape of your volume going on-off-on-off. 2) Another great amp with a wicked good "hard on-off" trem is the old Ampeg guitar amp line; the Gemini I , II and VI were staples of the sixties garage band scene here on Lawn Guyland New Yawk. 3) The Roland GT-3 effects processor (besides being so stupidly good I get nothing done these days besides plug in, tweak and loop) has a powerful multi-rhythm trem-like effect in it called "Slicer". If it comes out in a seperate pedal, it could fit Mark's bill. Douglas Baldwin, Alpha male Coyote, the Trickster dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 14:46:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29470; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:46:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:46:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C412FF81@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:38:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"PmIBz3.0.6q6.cZIOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) The Roger Mayers high-priced trem box (sorry, I forgot the name) will do multiple trems with a variety of wave shapes. The secret ingredient is to access a square wave - that's the shape of your volume going on-off-on-off. ** are you sure that it's not the lovetone wobulator that you're thinking of?? two different trem oscillators, two different wave shapes (square and saw) for each. four different combinations. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 22 21:08:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12006; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:04:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) Resent-Message-ID: <"1t_O8.0.0i2.ACOOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>mark givens wrote: >> >>> dear list: whats the best pedal for creating the shimmering sound of >"Whats the FREQUENCY KENneth "off of REM 's Monster lp. As you can see im >buying a lot of fx. I likeddidcated pedals instead of all in one deals >becaose i like knobs. I like my whammy though but one is enough . Im looking >at the Ibanez chorus flange modulator next($69 at musiciansfriend.com. Any >reviews? > >>and lance glover replied: >>as was previously noted, this is a tremelo effect. (snip) >>...i don't know what's out there in tremelo-modelling land these days, but >i would think someone would have taken the time to digitally cop this >classic effect by now. > > >..and I add, still off-topic: > 1) The Roger Mayers high-priced trem box (sorry, I forgot the name) will >do multiple trems with a variety of wave shapes. The secret ingredient is to >access a square wave - that's the shape of your volume going on-off-on-off. > 2) Another great amp with a wicked good "hard on-off" trem is the old >Ampeg guitar amp line; the Gemini I , II and VI were staples of the sixties >garage band scene here on Lawn Guyland New Yawk. > 3) The Roland GT-3 effects processor (besides being so stupidly good I >get nothing done these days besides plug in, tweak and loop) has a powerful >multi-rhythm trem-like effect in it called "Slicer". If it comes out in a >seperate pedal, it could fit Mark's bill. I think the best tremelo effect I've gotten is through my modular synth: split the signal, patch into 2 VCA's, patch an LFO into one, patch the same inverted into the other, viola! ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 08:33:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02942; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:33:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38629D66.7D78DC09@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:08:38 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: whats the effect, kenneth? (OT) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6MEeB3.0.3y7.10YOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > > I think the best tremelo effect I've gotten is through my modular synth: > split the signal, patch into 2 VCA's, patch an LFO into one, patch the same > inverted into the other, viola! > The waldorf 4 pole is a wonderful tremolo if you ask him to do so another great and less expensive toy is the the nobels TR-X tremolo stomp box sinus and square lfo in two width range , eff lev, tone(bite of the effect ?), speed and intensity at a very low price the whole line of stomp boxes are a gift for the ear Claude http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Nobels/ http://www.nobels.com/english.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 12:10:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09760; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:10:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991223165800.93156.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.173] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Xmas Full Moon Looping and DJRND2 experience and demo Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:58:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"pNKR_3.0.Zr1.wIbOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Emmanuel, Thanks for writing back. Just keep in touch. I will contact loopers delight and several local loopers to see how many would want to come. Would you be flying here just for that or do you have other plans as well? I would love to hear what you do with the DJRND2 if you would send me a demo tape at the same address as the letter below. Let me know when you are coming so I can set a date so others can make plans. I would also contact varius music stores if you would want to take it to show them how it works. San Francisco is 100 miles away but there are a few music stores that have DJ stuff. I still am puzzled as to how it works. Do you plug in a mike or CD player or sounds from the room? Can you put in a guitar signal or keyboard signal? Do you use it with hands only? I love to sound effects and looping weird ways. I have 2 jamman and EDP and a Akai headrush and boomerang. I use 2 vortex to twist the sounds. I use a midi guitar thru a GT 5 (guitar effects processor) and a GR 30 guitar synth to get great sounds. I have heard alot about your looper and think it might be a fun tool for looping. Need to hear and see how it works. Thanks for writing. Papa Dave Happy Millinium Great Full Moon last night. >From: PERILLE >Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr >To: papadave55@hotmail.com >Subject: Re : Xmas >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:07:26 +0100 > > > Hi Emmanuel, What ever happened to the looper? I thought you were >going to > > send it to Calif.????? I am still interested. Are you?? > > I have a group of loopers that will meet for several sessions to check >it > > out. Happy Hollidays, Papa Dave Potter 345 Avocado Road > > Corralitos,California 95076 USA > > phone # 831 7249194 > > > >Hi Papa Dave > >The best I think would be I come so you can exactly realise how it >works. Must plan it. Wanted to do it this month but too short. So maybe >on January, but I would like to end a task before, which is not over >yet. > >How many people do you think you could invite for demos, and how long >should it take ? > >DJRND2 is not very much for professional musicians, but rather for >people who are just fond of homelooping different materials in order to >mix them all together to make a LOOP MARMELADE. Maybe more interesting >for people who makes mixtapes than playing musical instruments. > >Btw, I can prepare another demo tape if you want (exclusively made for >you, cause I am not able to CD carve it yet), demo made with different >passages of my DJRND2 looping delights. You can also ask Michael >(Nemoguitt@aol.com) who has already listened to different looping >remixes I have made. He says of my music I am nuts but loves it. > >Otherwise, I suppose I will probably stay several days in CA before >flying back home. Should also look for accomodatings. > >Anyway it is stil in my mind. > >See you soon on 2000, Papa Dave, and enjoy your hollidays > >Emmanuel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 12:33:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14369; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:33:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38628733.62EA0AA0@gte.net> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:33:55 -0800 From: nitesh patel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions References: <19991204044333.26190.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Go-n9.0.TF3.HkbOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com buy a sp808 groove box it has the best drum sets and it has old school analog dials to make the sounds they hear Mr. Tough wrote: > >From: "Bruce Comens" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:45:06 -0500 > > > > > * Touch Sensitive Pads > > > >Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does > >that > >mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, > >actually) in real (hah!) time? > > > You can play it in real time. You can also program it in real time. I > realize that a lot of drum machines do this, but it's a lot of fun to do. > Another cool thing you can do in the DR660 is shut off the the error > correction, so you can make really flawed, sloppy sounding drum patterns. > Although a lot of folks like it, the DR660 is kind of a cheesy sounding drum > machine. It takes a lot of effort to make it sound like anything you'd hear > on a CD. I can imagine a lot of bands feeling slightly embarrassed about the > obvious "drum machine bought for $300 at guitar center" sound. (Except for > bands that go for that sound in particular.) > > Mr. Tough > Mr. Tough > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 14:09:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01917; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:09:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:40:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38628733.62EA0AA0@gte.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"RcMtD2.0.vn6.HlcOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The sp808 doesn't have any drum sets. It just plays back samples you record. -----Original Message----- From: nitesh patel [mailto:tesh@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions buy a sp808 groove box it has the best drum sets and it has old school analog dials to make the sounds they hear Mr. Tough wrote: > >From: "Bruce Comens" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: > >Subject: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:45:06 -0500 > > > > > * Touch Sensitive Pads > > > >Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does > >that > >mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, > >actually) in real (hah!) time? > > > You can play it in real time. You can also program it in real time. I > realize that a lot of drum machines do this, but it's a lot of fun to do. > Another cool thing you can do in the DR660 is shut off the the error > correction, so you can make really flawed, sloppy sounding drum patterns. > Although a lot of folks like it, the DR660 is kind of a cheesy sounding drum > machine. It takes a lot of effort to make it sound like anything you'd hear > on a CD. I can imagine a lot of bands feeling slightly embarrassed about the > obvious "drum machine bought for $300 at guitar center" sound. (Except for > bands that go for that sound in particular.) > > Mr. Tough > Mr. Tough > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 14:12:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02783; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:12:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:12:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991223190638.66080.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.89] From: "tony moore" To: bass@magpie.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: arleta, ca? (minimal bass-loop content) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:06:38 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"HdEpz3.0.nP.VBdOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com (warning - minimal musical content :-) hey folks, i may be relocating to (near) arleta, ca from cincinnati, oh. being a midwest native, i am absolutely clueless about ca. anyone know anything about the area? decent area to live w/family? (fwiw, i have a wife and two adopted guatemalan daughters) places for live music? etc? any info at all greatly appreciated! thanks and happy holidays! tony ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 14:50:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10276; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991223193850.83070.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.138.16] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: arleta, ca? (minimal bass-loop content) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:38:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"U4Puw.0.502.gfdOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Never heard or Arleta Ca. I'm Papa Dave in Santa Cruz Ca. This is very cool here. Mountains, ocean, liberal people, several loopers and a Spiritual Community. Good luck in Arleta???? papa dave >From: "tony moore" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: bass@magpie.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: arleta, ca? (minimal bass-loop content) >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:06:38 EST > >(warning - minimal musical content :-) > >hey folks, > >i may be relocating to (near) arleta, ca from cincinnati, oh. being a >midwest native, i am absolutely clueless about ca. anyone know anything >about the area? decent area to live w/family? (fwiw, i have a wife and two >adopted guatemalan daughters) places for live music? etc? any info at all >greatly appreciated! thanks and happy holidays! > >tony >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 18:06:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14562; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:06:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991223221033.10980.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: robert kolosowski Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"gGYn52.0.-A1.StfOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ===== Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 18:14:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15665; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:14:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:14:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.a54ec22d.2594044f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:03:43 EST Subject: Re: Merry Christmas,Happy Hollidays To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"5p4xZ.0.uX3._ggOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Papa Narendra!! My girlfriend and I are off to the Grand Canyon, down to the bottom on Christmas Day for a little peace and contemplation and plenty of SINGING! God Bless! eric p echo park > ...Sing with Gladness and keep your seat unmoved within your >heart. > > Happy Days and God Bless > Uncle-Brother-Papa Dave > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 23 18:16:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16394; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:16:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d84db190.25940171@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:51:29 EST Subject: Re: arleta, ca? L.A. looping scene To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"TomMz.0.-t2.JUgOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Arleta is down here in So. Cal. It's in the San Fernando Valley and I believe that technically it is officially part of the city of Los Angeles, though it is perhaps 20-25 minutes from downtown L.A. It's not nearly as beautiful as Papa Dave's neck o' the woods but California in general is fantastic - I'm originally from PA. Don't know much about the Arleta neighborhood in particular but the Valley is very family-oriented and your Guatemalan daughters should have little if no trouble assimilating into the multi-cultutral social make-up. The area is mostly Latino and there are plenty of folks here from So. America including children. One downside is this confluence of cultures can produce a non-typical-American aesthetic - litter, less orderly appearance of homes and yards and cars, etc. - basically more like life in poorer Southern Hemisphere countries. But all that is merely appearances. There's quite a few of us L.A. loopers here on the list, and it seems that we're gaining some new clubs that encourage experimental and/or ambient and/or improvised live music. Most notably the famed Knitting Factory (from NYC) is setting up shop in Hollywood (about 15 min from Arleta) and should be up and running this Spring. Also a few smaller clubs and some coffee joints where you can just show up with a loop rig and do your thing. I became a performing musician only after coming to L.A. 12 years ago (started playing in '92) and this is due to the kind, wonderful, capable players who I met and learned from and were encouraged by. There is plenty of lousy stuff being made and displayed in L.A. (so many want to be something they're not), and it can be hard to avoid, but after maybe two years you learn to filter or not be bothered with that stuff, and you can dig very deep into the interesting things that are happening - and there's just about something for everyone, and if there isn't there seems to be the resources to start something. It just takes discipline to drive past these cool music shops without pulling over and busting out the credit card... OK that's enough for the list... Please email me privately and we can talk some more. Good luck and maybe we'll see you soon? I'll be in the grand canyon until the 28th so no email for a while... eric p echo park In a message dated 12/23/99 12:12:46 PM, moorelab@hotmail.com writes: >i may be relocating to (near) arleta, ca from cincinnati, oh. being a >midwest native, i am absolutely clueless about ca. anyone know anything >about the area? decent area to live w/family? (fwiw, i have a wife and two >adopted guatemalan daughters) places for live music? etc? any info at all >greatly appreciated! thanks and happy holidays! >tony From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 24 01:32:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06076; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:32:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:32:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:14:22 -0800 (PST) From: Haitch Cee To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: plutonian nights radio show tonight In-Reply-To: <0.d84db190.25940171@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JLtqQ1.0.Pf.1zmOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com heya folks tonights show will be a 100% loop based (tape/a-b) improv composition . thought some on here may be interested, more info on the website, press release located at: http://sine.ranch.org/pluto/pressrelease.html merry xmas =) rich -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- haitch c soundcraft / sinesite: http://sine.ranch.org s i n u s o i d a l \ email: sine@ranch.org records / bc.canada / artists. mp3s. realaudio. forums. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- plutonian nights radio show -+- http://sine.ranch.org/pluto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 24 05:00:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18895; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 05:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 05:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bf4df3$ff57d080$7c0a7bd4@pandora.be> Reply-To: "Frank Van Biesen" From: "Frank Van Biesen" To: "nitesh patel" , References: <38628733.62EA0AA0@gte.net> Subject: Re: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:43:54 +0100 Organization: Image-Line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"fH9Zs1.0.dA4.95qOu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another option is a drum loop software. An excellent software, realy worthwhile looking at is FruityLoops (www.FruityLoops.com). This soft started off as a drum loop creation tool, but in the mean while it has evolved to a full sequencer software (including SoftSynth). It easy of use combined with its powerfull features makes it worthwhile to look at. By the way, I use this software as my personal guitar accompaignon. I just load some rythem loops and there we go ... fvb@eatthis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nitesh patel" To: Sent: donderdag 23 december 1999 21:33 Subject: Re: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions > buy a sp808 groove box it has the best drum sets and it has old school analog > dials to make the sounds they hear > > Mr. Tough wrote: > > > >From: "Bruce Comens" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > >To: > > >Subject: R: Drum machines--other neophyte questions > > >Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:45:06 -0500 > > > > > > > * Touch Sensitive Pads > > > > > >Does this mean you can control volume by how hard you tap them? And does > > >that > > >mean you can actually "play" the DR 660 (I've been thinking of the 770, > > >actually) in real (hah!) time? > > > > > You can play it in real time. You can also program it in real time. I > > realize that a lot of drum machines do this, but it's a lot of fun to do. > > Another cool thing you can do in the DR660 is shut off the the error > > correction, so you can make really flawed, sloppy sounding drum patterns. > > Although a lot of folks like it, the DR660 is kind of a cheesy sounding drum > > machine. It takes a lot of effort to make it sound like anything you'd hear > > on a CD. I can imagine a lot of bands feeling slightly embarrassed about the > > obvious "drum machine bought for $300 at guitar center" sound. (Except for > > bands that go for that sound in particular.) > > > > Mr. Tough > > Mr. Tough > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 08:36:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02907; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:36:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:36:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <3864C73F.6464EA88@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:31:44 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Anyone tried the Boss VF-1? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZrRQp2.0.5M.cQCPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys, Did anyone try the new Boss VF-1? I had some fun with the Roland GP-100 with 4.8 secs of delay. I'd like to know if the VF-1 (which could be seen as the next step in COSM/digital fx units) has the same delay time. Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 10:19:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19441; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:19:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:19:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3864C73F.6464EA88@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:17:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Boss VF-1? Resent-Message-ID: <"rNAAs3.0.NY4.U-DPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Robert- I haven't had time to dig into my VF-1 too deeply for a real review. I can tell you that the maximum delay time is 2.8 seconds. The box will do a hell of a lot and the sound is very good indeed. For my purpose--general guitar effector as input to loops--it serves quite well. But as someone on the list has mentioned, it would be nice to be able to go more over the top with the stranger effects. There are a large number of algorithms (36) and the order of effects within each can be changed, etc., but I prefer a system which will allow all effects possible for the box to be used at once. I believe the Alesis Quadraverb and Digitech 256 are set up this way, as is the Boss ME-8 which I owned before the VF-1. I was hoping that the VF-1 had a similar arrangement. But so far I'm getting great results with the box and have no intention of letting it go. All the usual effects are there, and guitarists (I mean real guitarists, not me) will probably love the amp simulations and so forth. For me, they add too much noise; I've never even owned a guitar amp. Oh, and the reverbs are so-so, as you might expect from Boss. End of non-review.... David Myers >Did anyone try the new Boss VF-1? I had some fun with the Roland >GP-100 with 4.8 secs of delay. I'd like to know if the VF-1 (which could >be seen as the next step in COSM/digital fx units) has the same delay >time. > >Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 13:40:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19537; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:40:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:40:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991225133136.007a1580@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:31:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Steinberger mod: old archive thread In-Reply-To: References: <0.d39b4e33.25824fef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aVvHS.0.0O4.2sGPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Merry Christmas everyone! Hey, a while back there was a thread on modifying a small-bodied Steinberger to contain additional electronics; since the archive's still not working correctly, does anyone remember when this was? (This would be the one with the reference to the Steiny's small area as "real estate", not the one with the pics of the white Steiny with EDP switches mounted on the side...) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 17:05:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20531; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:05:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <0.7afcdfeb.25969856@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:59:50 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 251 Resent-Message-ID: <"7BPqy.0.oo4.xvJPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Old Thread I know, but I am only an Acoustic Player and wanted to join in conversation. Martin thinline Piezoelectric installed in the bridge does the trick. No need for soundhole covers, and feedback is virtually eliminated even at loud volumes. Ok, so the argument goes, the piezo sound is not natural acoustic sound. While this maybe true from a recording studio perspective, I have never once had anyone tell me in a live performance that the sound was crappy. Quite the contrary, many have complemented me on the sound. Yes, the piezo seems to magnify the higher ends. Agreed! This effect is completely compensated for with a good pre-amp. What preamp? Crate Acoustic amps are unmatched for production line acoustic amps and they make a great rack mount preamp as well. With the Crate amps (in particular the 125-D or rack mount equivalent), you can go from extreme bass to extreme treble. It has three preamp filters (bass, mid, and treble) with a 10 band eq for output. The line out allows for direct connection into the house PA, which will allow you to crank your sound to any drum-level necessary. So, forget the sound hole covers, buy a piezo - $90 - $120 (Martin thinline). Then get a good preamp. Say good bye to feedback forever. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 18:48:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04534; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:48:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Robert van der Kamp" To: Subject: Anyone tried the Lexicon MPX-1? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf4f28$30eeb660$ec8079c3@robert> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TUy2p.0.tU.pFLPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Just read that the MPX-1 has a looper effect built in. Did anyone try it? Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Dec 25 23:10:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20208; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:10:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912260405.XAA29022@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:07:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Lexicon MPX-1? From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ziASQ.0.1k4.WGPPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes sir! i have_ i love it_it loves me i use it in conjuction witha quad 2 a dd3 and my sp808_ i record live to minidisc_ the mpx-1 is awesome the efxs are rich and i can use a multitufe of other efxs in conjcution with the loops_ highly recommended_if this is not offensive i will say merry christmas.qwanza.hanukkah.pagan love fest.satanworship regard c.white >From: "Robert van der Kamp" >To: >Subject: Anyone tried the Lexicon MPX-1? >Date: Sat, Dec 25, 1999, 6:34 PM > >Hi all, > >Just read that the MPX-1 has a looper effect built in. >Did anyone try it? > >Thanks, >Robert > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 00:51:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10892; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:51:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.cf2dd16e.25970608@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:47:52 EST Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Lexicon MPX-1? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"eBpW63.0.FZ2.JmQPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/26/99 4:10:16 AM, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: >>Hi all, >> >>Just read that the MPX-1 has a looper effect built in. >>Did anyone try it? >> Agree, it's a great device, but the looper, while hip, is very short...2 sec. only. Better get a G2 for looping, since it's got 20-sec mono delay (or 10 sec. stereo), and a stripped-down version of the Jamman...or even better, find yourself a used PCM-80 and max the RAM for 42 sec stereo/84 sec mono delay, plus an OS that will let you build very cool loopers, a la the Vortex, with level-sensitive triggering, etc. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 08:20:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14443; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:20:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:20:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <386615A6.9B97078D@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:18:30 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Looking for a true stereo looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qvWz12.0.uK3.LKXPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, What do I need to get a true stereo looper setup? Of coarse, the 2 plexes are a good but costly solution. I wonder, are there any stereo loopers out there? Someone mentioned an old Lexicon unit (forgot the name). Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 08:23:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14617; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:23:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <386614FB.6C7FC207@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:15:40 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Anyone know the looper in the Lexicon MPX G2? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hyT0b2.0.eH3.jHXPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, still looking for the (nearly) perfect looper. Someone mentioned the G2 as a looper. Can someone tell me how the looper works? For example, is it true stereo, does it have the backward option, 2 speeds? And the G2 in general, is it a good device? Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 17:13:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05155; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:13:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:13:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:05:38 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Anyone know the looper in the Lexicon MPX G2? In-reply-to: <386614FB.6C7FC207@wxs.nl> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZIzFi3.0.c11.Y7fPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi all, > >still looking for the (nearly) perfect looper. Someone mentioned >the G2 as a looper. Can someone tell me how the looper works? >For example, is it true stereo, does it have the backward option, >2 speeds? And the G2 in general, is it a good device? > >Thanks, >Robert I recently received a great review of the looping section of the Lex MPX-G2. That should be on the Looper's Delight site soon. Sort of a stripped down jamman. It doesn't have speed or reverse, but it does have feedback control and replace, two other functions necessary for your perfect looper, imo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 18:17:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15864; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38669E4E.AABE19A7@quik.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:01:34 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems References: <0.7afcdfeb.25969856@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rOxWv.0.Vd3.P4gPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ANET@aol.com wrote: > Martin thinline Piezoelectric installed in the bridge does the trick. No > need for soundhole covers, and feedback is virtually eliminated even at loud > volumes. Specifically, Martin Thinline Gold. That's the high-end. Don't forget that the Martin is actually made by Fishman. I've also heard good things about Highlander, and B-Band. > Yes, the piezo seems to magnify the higher ends. Agreed! This effect is > completely > compensated for with a good pre-amp. What preamp? SansAmp Acoustic DI is my favored. > So, forget the sound hole covers, buy a piezo - $90 - $120 (Martin thinline). > Then get a good preamp. Say good bye to feedback forever. Heh. Forever is a looong time ;-) Any instrument with a sound chamber is going to feedback at sufficient volume levels. The bigger the air chamber and the louder the volume, the more likelihood of feedback. Now most modern A/E guitars are relatively feedback resistant, but there is no such thing as feedback proof. Personally, I'd imagine that a strat with a power bridge would be the ultimate way to go volume and flexibility-wise. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 18:17:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15922; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <38669F34.2BEA21B4@quik.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:05:24 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looking for a true stereo looper References: <386615A6.9B97078D@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zwgIm.0._e3.W4gPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Robert van der Kamp wrote: > What do I need to get a true stereo looper setup? > Of coarse, the 2 plexes are a good but costly solution. > I wonder, are there any stereo loopers out there? > Someone mentioned an old Lexicon unit (forgot the name). The JamMan is NOT a stereo looper. I don't think there *is* a dedicated stereo looper. Course, one of those Eventides or Lexicons might, *might*, have stereo looping, but by then you're way over the cost of 2 plexes. 93 Fr. Doubt-Goat +++ +++++ +++ Sekhet-Maat Oasis, O.T.O. http://www.sekhetmaat.com +++ +++++ +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 19:22:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27761; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:22:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3866B010.F468DEDE@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:20 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems References: <0.7afcdfeb.25969856@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"l1S_s2.0.tV6.z_gPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have found the sunrise pickup to offer the flexibility's i need for performance. i run my acoustics through the j-150 amp from the sunrise with no pre amp between the amp and guitar. the level is lower this way going in allowing what i feel to be a more earthy tone. i use many 'electric' effects and tweak the gates from room to room just enough to hold down the fort of feedback. even in a true form, no fx's, the sunrise works well to increase volume with limited feedback problems. the magnetically wound sunrise gives me the less brassy more versatile application that i need and can't find in piezo pickups. i used to run my sunrise in stereo with a highlander piezo via the pendulum sps pre amp but ended up dialling in more and more of the sunrise until i all but used the highlander. i have choosen to cut in half the feedback cover and place beside the sunrise in the middle. i do not fill my guitars insides with anything. i like the air to move some. the sound of pickups can be very subjective. find what works for you as best from go and then work from there. even if i did not process sounds like i currently do and took a more pure approach i'd still opt the sunrise over any piezo pick up on market. as for end pin jacks, !@@#!#!!!#@! they don't make em like i need em! i found a jack that takes abuse and needs no constant tightening show to show, the al parts gold screw in switch craft with no washers. from al parts. part number, ep 4602, it screws right in very tight with a quarter or screwdriver from the outside and seems to hold a very solid connection. time will tell if it lasts or for how long. i have also used the sans amp acoustic direct box and like it plenty. i use it when i go into most other sources of pa ect. to give me a bit more control. with the johnson it is unnecessary. i have gone back and forth with many different pre amps and will solicit more advise if you request. as for combos you will sound like they sound. if you find one you really like then you have scored. they can make for a nice moniter addition for your ears on stage. i have owned a few traces and played stints on almost all other models available, crate, ca blonde, roland, marshall, fender sonic, ect. before my johnson amp i had about 400 pounds of separate components creating my sound. ultimately from the haffler power amps to the bag end speakers. this has been replaced with 72 pounds of millennium. i am very pleased with the johnson and do not understand why they don't market it more as an acoustic / electric amp. the vintage 30 12's inside are more guitar oriented speakers than the bag ends allowing more punch per note. i like anet's optimism below. piezo's are not for me today. good luck and happy holidays jimmy george www.jimmygeorgearts.com ANET@aol.com wrote: > Old Thread I know, but I am only an Acoustic Player and wanted to join in > conversation. > > Martin thinline Piezoelectric installed in the bridge does the trick. No > need for soundhole covers, and feedback is virtually eliminated even at loud > volumes. > > Ok, so the argument goes, the piezo sound is not natural acoustic sound. > While this maybe true from a recording studio perspective, I have never once > had anyone tell > me in a live performance that the sound was crappy. Quite the contrary, many > have > complemented me on the sound. > > Yes, the piezo seems to magnify the higher ends. Agreed! This effect is > completely > compensated for with a good pre-amp. What preamp? Crate Acoustic amps are > unmatched for production line acoustic amps and they make a great rack mount > preamp as well. With the Crate amps (in particular the 125-D or rack mount > equivalent), you can go from extreme bass to extreme treble. It has three > preamp > filters (bass, mid, and treble) with a 10 band eq for output. The line out > allows for > direct connection into the house PA, which will allow you to crank your sound > to > any drum-level necessary. > > So, forget the sound hole covers, buy a piezo - $90 - $120 (Martin thinline). > Then get a good preamp. Say good bye to feedback forever. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 19:22:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27762; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:22:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:22:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3866B02C.CB92A3C9@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:17:48 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar looping and feedback problems References: <0.7afcdfeb.25969856@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"05AS4.0.FX6.O0hPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i have found the sunrise pickup to offer the flexibility's i need for performance. i run my acoustics through the j-150 amp from the sunrise with no pre amp between the amp and guitar. the level is lower this way going in allowing what i feel to be a more earthy tone. i use many 'electric' effects and tweak the gates from room to room just enough to hold down the fort of feedback. even in a true form, no fx's, the sunrise works well to increase volume with limited feedback problems. the magnetically wound sunrise gives me the less brassy more versatile application that i need and can't find in piezo pickups. i used to run my sunrise in stereo with a highlander piezo via the pendulum sps pre amp but ended up dialling in more and more of the sunrise until i all but used the highlander. i have chosen to cut in half the feedback cover and place beside the sunrise in the middle. i do not fill my guitars insides with anything. i like the air to move some. the sound of pickups can be very subjective. find what works for you as best from go and then work from there. even if i did not process sounds like i currently do and took a more pure approach i'd still opt the sunrise over any piezo pick up on market. as for end pin jacks, !@@#!#!!!#@! they don't make em like i need em! i found a jack that takes abuse and needs no constant tightening show to show, the al parts gold screw in switch craft with no washers. from al parts. part number, ep 4602, it screws right in very tight with a quarter or screwdriver from the outside and seems to hold a very solid connection. time will tell if it lasts or for how long. i have also used the sans amp acoustic direct box and like it plenty. i use it when i go into most other sources of pa ect. to give me a bit more control. with the johnson it is unnecessary. i have gone back and forth with many different pre amps and will solicit more advise if you request. as for combos you will sound like they sound. if you find one you really like then you have scored. they can make for a nice monitor addition for your ears on stage. i have owned a few traces and played stints on almost all other models available, crate, ca blonde, roland, marshall, fender sonic, ect. before my johnson amp i had about 400 pounds of separate components creating my sound. ultimately from the haffler power amps to the bag end speakers. this has been replaced with 72 pounds of millennium. i am very pleased with the johnson and do not understand why they don't market it more as an acoustic / electric amp. the vintage 30 12's inside are more guitar oriented speakers than the bag ends allowing more punch per note. i like anet's optimism below. piezo's are not for me today. good luck and happy holidays jimmy george www.jimmygeorgearts.com ANET@aol.com wrote: > Old Thread I know, but I am only an Acoustic Player and wanted to join in > conversation. > > Martin thinline Piezoelectric installed in the bridge does the trick. No > need for soundhole covers, and feedback is virtually eliminated even at loud > volumes. > > Ok, so the argument goes, the piezo sound is not natural acoustic sound. > While this maybe true from a recording studio perspective, I have never once > had anyone tell > me in a live performance that the sound was crappy. Quite the contrary, many > have > complemented me on the sound. > > Yes, the piezo seems to magnify the higher ends. Agreed! This effect is > completely > compensated for with a good pre-amp. What preamp? Crate Acoustic amps are > unmatched for production line acoustic amps and they make a great rack mount > preamp as well. With the Crate amps (in particular the 125-D or rack mount > equivalent), you can go from extreme bass to extreme treble. It has three > preamp > filters (bass, mid, and treble) with a 10 band eq for output. The line out > allows for > direct connection into the house PA, which will allow you to crank your sound > to > any drum-level necessary. > > So, forget the sound hole covers, buy a piezo - $90 - $120 (Martin thinline). > Then get a good preamp. Say good bye to feedback forever. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 20:58:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15976; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:58:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b0b35a4b.25982064@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:52:36 EST Subject: Re: Looking for a true stereo looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"5XDW1.0.Oj3.rPiPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/26/99 6:17:39 PM, dgoat@quik.com writes: << Course, one of those Eventides or Lexicons might, *might*, have stereo looping, but by then you're way over the cost of 2 plexes. >> A needless doubt, fr. goat...4000-series Eventides and the pcm-80/81 most definitely do stereo looping. pcm-80s can be upgraded (takes a single 4meg SIMMS) to do 42 sec. in stereo, and they're selling used for between $1000 and $1400...altho not nec. expanded. 81's do 20 sec. stereo outta the box; don't know if that can be expanded. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 22:39:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00688; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:39:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:39:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Robert van der Kamp" To: Subject: RE: Anyone know the looper in the Lexicon MPX G2? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:17:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf5010$80d1dfc0$ee8179c3@robert> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"-cmLK1.0.o37.UcjPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > Verzonden: zondag 26 december 1999 23:06 > Aan: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Onderwerp: Re: Anyone know the looper in the Lexicon MPX G2? > > > >Hi all, > > > >still looking for the (nearly) perfect looper. Someone mentioned > >the G2 as a looper. Can someone tell me how the looper works? > >For example, is it true stereo, does it have the backward option, > >2 speeds? And the G2 in general, is it a good device? > > > >Thanks, > >Robert > > I recently received a great review of the looping section of the Lex > MPX-G2. That should be on the Looper's Delight site soon. Sort of a > stripped down jamman. It doesn't have speed or reverse, but it does have > feedback control and replace, two other functions necessary for your > perfect looper, imo. > > kim Great! Can't wait to read it. Do you know if it does true stereo looping? Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Dec 26 22:59:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04427; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:59:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991227035332.42496.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [152.163.194.178] From: "kameleyon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: broken Echoplex footpedal Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:53:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"8o-nN3.0.5p.TBkPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello fellow loopers, been a while since I last posted... Anyway, the _second_ Oberheim Echoplex footpedal that I have owned has broke like the first one...it just died and quit sending any signal to the rack unit. Have there been many other reports of the Echoplex footpedal dying like this? What can I do/buy/yell at so that I can get a working, dependable footpedal for my 'plex? Thanks guys! _________________________________ Joshua D. Pickenpaugh Bassist, Composer, Teacher http://www.chameleonsound.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 03:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18418; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991227020245.007ca100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 02:02:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Pure Granulated Sound Compilation Status In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4794$a971c280$e0368218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"t2hZE3.0.VI4.bpnPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, everyone... I don't know if anyone here remembers a compilation that I sent some info to the list about called Pure Granulated Sound. I and some of my musical friends submitted our songs and $25 quite some time ago--and we've heard nothing back from the guy at the label (Colin Wales at Interfear Recordings). I was wondering if anyone else on the lists submitted to this compilation, and what you might have heard or what you might know about the status. We have repeatedly emailed the guy, and have received NO replies. Here is his contact info, in case any other participants want to give it a shot: http://members.xoom.com/stophim/interfear/granular.htm stophim@muscanet.com I'm suggesting to everyone that I know who is "participating" in the lame project to demand their submissions and money back with January of the new year. If anyone on this list is involved in this flop, please drop me a line privately so that we can get our music and money back! Thanks, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 09:40:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17929; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:40:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:40:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912271429.JAA13905@smtp6.mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:31:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Pure Granulated Sound Compilation Status From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJvX51.0.wu3.aVtPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that guy sounds like a scam artist the way he presents his pitch like a hyped up car salesman.. what a a jerk c ---------- >From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Pure Granulated Sound Compilation Status >Date: Mon, Dec 27, 1999, 4:02 AM > >Hi, everyone... > >I don't know if anyone here remembers a compilation that I sent some info >to the list about called Pure Granulated Sound. I and some of my musical >friends submitted our songs and $25 quite some time ago--and we've heard >nothing back from the guy at the label (Colin Wales at Interfear >Recordings). I was wondering if anyone else on the lists submitted to this >compilation, and what you might have heard or what you might know about the >status. We have repeatedly emailed the guy, and have received NO replies. >Here is his contact info, in case any other participants want to give it a >shot: > >http://members.xoom.com/stophim/interfear/granular.htm > >stophim@muscanet.com > >I'm suggesting to everyone that I know who is "participating" in the lame >project to demand their submissions and money back with January of the new >year. > >If anyone on this list is involved in this flop, please drop me a line >privately so that we can get our music and money back! > >Thanks, >Jeff McLeod >__________________________________________ >This is not here-- >And now is almost over... >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ >http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 10:00:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24594; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:00:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:00:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991227145512.65157.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.112.217.89] From: "tony moore" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mac looping software (ie acid)? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:55:12 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"cprMD2.0.BO5.nttPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks, hope everyone had a good holiday. i'm a recent mac daw convert. with my old pc daw, i used acid to compose loops and drum programs. it's a great tool, but it won't work on a mac. you can almost run it using pc emulation software, but then you can't run any mac recording software at the same time, which defeats the purpose and the utility of acid. is anyone aware of similar looping software for mac? i found a rough work around by using acid on a laptop and going out of the opcode usb box and into my digi001/mac. it makes for rough composing, but i lose all synch and have to play everything in real time to acid. i guess i could record my instrument loops as .wav files, import them into acid, and then... but geez, what a non-musical hassle! thanks for all the great replies on my arleta, ca query! we're looking into other areas to live and then commute to arleta for the day gig. i'll be going out for a week or so to visit in march. anyone willing to give a midwestern neophyte a tour? i'll buy dinner :-) have a happy new year! tony http://monkmusic.com http://bluejordan.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 11:49:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17552; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:49:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.31cb225c.2598f0ff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:42:39 EST Subject: Re: mac looping software (ie acid)? To: moorelab@hotmail.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"AZ8CC.0.ny3.aSvPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/27/99 10:00:16 AM, moorelab@hotmail.com writes: << i used acid to compose loops and drum programs. it's a great tool, but it won't work on a mac. >> Check out Mixman Studio....they've got a Mac version out now. Let us know what you discover! dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 11:47:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16758; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:47:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:47:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.c4052957.2598efeb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:38:03 EST Subject: Re: RE: Anyone know the looper in the Lexicon MPX G2? To: robnet@wxs.nl, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"D9Yf51.0.lh3.QOvPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/26/99 10:39:34 PM, robnet@wxs.nl writes: << Great! Can't wait to read it. Do you know if it does true stereo looping? >> I had one for a while and noted these problems: First, the "Jamman" algo was mono, with no half-speed or reverse functions; The delay time can be set to 10 sec stereo or 20 mono in regular delay algos, which can be user-configured to be loopers by arranging volume modules in front and/or behind, and by assigning MIDI foot controllers to these, plus the feedback parameter. Unfortunately there's an acknowledged bug, which Lex apparently has no plans to fix(!), that switches any stereo delay set over about 5.5sec. to a ping-pong delay, no longer a stereo one. Worse, I found that the loopers I designed this way (but not the built-in "Jamman") would quickly overload as new layers were added, which I could never figure out how to solve...which is why I sold it, along with the fact that I found the pre-amp uninteresting for direct recording, compared to PODs, GT-5s, etc. I loved the basic MPX-1 sounds, and really miss the added delay times, even if they were sorta crippled as I described, but decided to revert to an MPX- 1. An used, upgraded PCM-80 would seem to be the best currently available stereo looper for the $$, but you'll need to add a lot of MIDI foot control to it. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 13:56:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09210; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:56:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:56:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101bf509b$35661a20$0100007f@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: <19991227035332.42496.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: broken Echoplex footpedal Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:08:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"z9kAF.0.Xl1.uExPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, I just repared my EDP Foot switcher. Is actually simple; Just buy a couple of the same Chinese or better switches and weld them. They are relatively inexpensive. Its ashame that Oberheim built such a Powerful unit like the EDP with such cheap components,it gives it a bad reputation! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 14:18:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14299; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:18:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:18:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991227140235.00a45e60@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:04:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joseph Long Subject: DL4 Expression Pedal in Loop Mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"jtN-c1.0.Ri2.eXxPu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey does anyone know the full potential of the DL4 foot pedal? Can it be used as a volume pedal when in loop mode? Any other features while in Loop Mode? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 19:28:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08235; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:28:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991228002244.20090.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.181.93.141] From: "Greg S" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991227140235.00a45e60@pilgrim.cisco.com> Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedal in Loop Mode Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:25:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"5mWYu2.0.Kl1.sB0Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It can control the mix of the loop vs. pre-loop signal. So you can essentially turn off the loop by setting the pedal heel position to 0% mix, but you're straight signal will still go come through. You're loop will continue to run however, it'll just be inaudible. Does that help? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Long To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: DL4 Expression Pedal in Loop Mode > Hey does anyone know the full potential of the DL4 foot pedal? Can it be > used as a volume pedal when in loop mode? Any other features while in Loop > Mode? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 22:12:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09599; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:12:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:12:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:00:47 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: broken Echoplex footpedal In-reply-to: <19991227035332.42496.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YhgsB.0.Zu1.sX2Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:53 PM -0800 12/26/99, kameleyon wrote: >Hello fellow loopers, been a while since I last posted... > >Anyway, the _second_ Oberheim Echoplex footpedal that I have owned has broke >like the first one...it just died and quit sending any signal to the rack >unit. Have there been many other reports of the Echoplex footpedal dying >like this? What can I do/buy/yell at so that I can get a working, dependable >footpedal for my 'plex? Thanks guys! > Hi- the echoplex footpedal is an extremely simple device. We designed it that way on purpose so users would be able to fix it very easily themselves should anything ever go wrong. (you sort of expect a footpedal will take a lot of abuse....). Also, so users could make their own custom pedals/controllers if they like, which many people have done. If you know how to use a screwdriver, you can probably fix half the things that might go wrong with the echoplex pedal. Beginner level soldering skills would take care of anything else. There's really not much to it. You'll find more info about the pedal in the echoplex pedal tutorial at the looper's delight site: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html You'll also find info there about how to make your own pedal, which would also be useful in fixing one. Since you are saying the pedal is not sending anything to the rack, that pretty much rules out a failure of one of the switches. I'm assuming the buttons on the front panel of the rack unit still work fine? That would mean the switch circuitry in the rack is fine, since the same stuff is used to read the front panel and the footpedal. That just leaves the connection between pedal and rack. My guess is it is some simple problem with the cable you are using, or maybe the jack on the pedal or rack. First, make sure you are using the right kind of cable. Should be a very ordinary patch cord, mono, 1/4" jack type. Don't use one of those idiotic cables with the shields disconnected on one end, they won't work either. Just your basic, cheap-o cable is all it needs. If that's ok, you might try swapping in a different cable to see if that fixes anything. If that doesn't help, check the jacks on either end. Make sure the contacts haven't gotten bent or anything. You might try using some contact cleaner in case they are just dirty. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Dec 27 22:37:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14569; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:37:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:29:12 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: broken Echoplex footpedal In-reply-to: <007101bf509b$35661a20$0100007f@oemcomputer> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <19991227035332.42496.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"ImJ-f3.0.QJ3.Uz2Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:08 AM -0800 12/27/99, Luis Angulo wrote: >Hi there, >I just repared my EDP Foot switcher. Is actually simple; Just buy a couple >of the same Chinese or better switches and weld them. They are relatively >inexpensive. Its ashame that Oberheim built such a Powerful unit like the >EDP with such cheap components,it gives it a bad reputation! > >Luis The echoplex pedal switches were not just chosen for price. They also are mechanically quiet, and have a reasonably good feel so you can tap accurately. Accuracy and feel is very important for looping controls, otherwise you will have a lot of problems tapping the switches in rhythm and getting the loop length right. I tried a lot of switches when we designed it, and ended up liking these cheaper ones best, believe it or not. Most of the heavy-duty expensive ones make loud clunking sounds when they contact, which is completely unacceptable for a music device. They also tend to be harder to press, which makes them hard to tap accurately. Your loops will always end up a little bit off. Oh yeah, and those heavy-duty switches cost $3-5 each in volume (vs $0.25), which would have more than doubled the price of the control pedal, which I'm sure would not have pleased many people. :-) We figured if anybody really wanted those, they could go buy them and replace it themselves since it was so simple to do. When people have trouble with the switches breaking, it is often because they are tapping them way too hard. They won't last if you stomp on them with your motorcycle boots a lot. You have to realize that with a looping device, you are probably tapping the buttons far more often than with your average pedal. So they have to endure a lot anyway. Treat them nice, they last just fine. (Mine has worked fine for over 5 years, never even had to open it up....) And really, there is no reason to stomp like that anyway. You will find that a light touch will give you much more control and accuracy for tapping in rhythm. The natural inclination seems to be to stomp hard to be more accurate, when the opposite is more true! But, if you really do need to stomp, spend $5 and get a dozen replacement switches from mouser.com. Then don't worry about it and replace it when you need to. Easy to do and cheaper than guitar strings, drum sticks, sax reeds, turntable needles, batteries, etc. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 00:32:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06688; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:32:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:32:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991228052729.9533.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Steinberger mod: old archive thread To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: tcn62@ici.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"aUpE5.0.oA1.5f4Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.annihilist.com/loop/LDarchive/199903/msg00465.html Tim- The above link will take you to a thread about installing a Roland GK-2A pickup. If this isn't the one you want, try doing a search with Alta Vista. Just type the following into the search window.... +"loopers delight" +steinberger John --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Merry Christmas everyone! > > Hey, a while back there was a thread on modifying a > small-bodied > Steinberger to contain additional electronics; since > the archive's still > not working correctly, does anyone remember when > this was? (This would be > the one with the reference to the Steiny's small > area as "real estate", not > the one with the pics of the white Steiny with EDP > switches mounted on the > side...) > > Tim > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 01:22:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17597; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:22:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:18:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199912280618.AAA18209@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Pure Granulated Sound Compilation Status Resent-Message-ID: <"yMZEU1.0.184.CP5Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com looks like a typical musical financial-scam-pyramid to me... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 02:25:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28368; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:25:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:18:09 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: New stuff at Looper's Delight site To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YzxbJ1.0.pa6._H6Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just added a few things to the Looper's Delight site: We now have a site for the Lexicon MPX G2. It has a very nice review by Rick Roberts of the "JamMan" module in the MPX G2. I've also added recent and old comments from David Coffin that he has posted to the list. Thanks Rick and David! You can find that here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/MPX-G2/MPX-G2.html Also, the manual for the the old Digitech PDS2000/8000 was scanned for us by Ken Griffith. Thanks Ken! That is now available on the site here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/digitechPDS/digi_pds.html And as always, the Looper's Delight site is really a collective effort. If it was only me doing it, it would suck. The more people contribute, the better it gets! If you think you've got something to add, by all means, send it in to me. I put things up as fast as I'm able (which is not all that fast, but I try :-), but if you can manage to format whatever you want to submit as something reasonbly like the site formatting, it's a big help. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 06:41:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05230; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:41:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:41:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01bf5128$63b967a0$f699b8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Foot Controllers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:40:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"Dboep3.0.I41.I2AQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, I just got the Ground Control FC to find out that this thing doesn´t even send Continuous Controllers. Why is this thing advertised as a foot controller? Definetly the PMC 10 is the most complete FC is just too bad that it isn´t road worthy and so fragile! Does anybody have any information on the new Yamaha MFC 10 Foot Controller? Still looking for a good FC any info. is welcomed. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 09:36:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04478; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:36:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:36:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.5ccf94aa.259a23ad@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:31:09 EST Subject: Re: Foot Controllers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"DtTfT1.0.Zn.qcCQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/28/99 6:41:18 AM, L.Angulo@t-online.de writes: > Still looking for a good FC any > >info. is welcomed. I'm quite pleased with my Roland FC-200. It's not as comprehensive, I assume, as the Digitech whatever-10, but I haven't found anything I wanted it to do that it couldn't. I especially like that it has 6 CV/FS jacks, and that it can send MIDI notes. What do you need it to do? I'll ask it... dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 10:44:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19536; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:44:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:44:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991228102023.00a8a5a0@pilgrim.cisco.com> X-Sender: joelong@pilgrim.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:22:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, From: Joseph Long Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedal in Loop Mode In-Reply-To: <19991228002244.20090.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19991227140235.00a45e60@pilgrim.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"lI2yj2.0.Wh3.XNDQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes. I wasn't sure if there was some added functionality to it. Whats the average cost of the pedal? At 04:25 PM 12/27/99 -0800, Greg S wrote: >It can control the mix of the loop vs. pre-loop signal. So you can >essentially turn off the loop by setting the pedal heel position to 0% mix, >but you're straight signal will still go come through. You're loop will >continue to run however, it'll just be inaudible. > >Does that help? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joseph Long >To: >Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:04 AM >Subject: DL4 Expression Pedal in Loop Mode > > > > Hey does anyone know the full potential of the DL4 foot pedal? Can it be > > used as a volume pedal when in loop mode? Any other features while in Loop > > Mode? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 11:19:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25987; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:19:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991228160323.1304.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:03:23 -0800 (PST) From: M T Reply-To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net Subject: maclooping software To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, moorelab@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"wqMYK1.0.nc5.EzDQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't used it, but isn't Polar (part of MOTU performer) a viable option. I'm pretty sure it does something similar. MT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 12:02:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02195; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:02:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:54:08 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, L.Angulo@t-online.de Subject: Re: Foot Controllers Resent-Message-ID: <"oJ9G1.0.x4.NjEQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't have the Ground Control, but believe it DOES send continuous controllers. I swear I helped a friend set his up to do this about a year or so ago. Take a deep breath and look through the manual for expression pedal information. This area will help you get it set up and running. That said, I still LOVE my PMC-10! -Miko >>> Luis Angulo 12/28 3:39 AM >>> Hi there, I just got the Ground Control FC to find out that this thing doesn*t even send Continuous Controllers. Why is this thing advertised as a foot controller? Definetly the PMC 10 is the most complete FC is just too bad that it isn*t road worthy and so fragile! Does anybody have any information on the new Yamaha MFC 10 Foot Controller? Still looking for a good FC any info. is welcomed. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 17:11:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29721; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:11:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:11:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: rob@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <3868D0DA.B25E5210@wxs.nl> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:01:46 +0100 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Foot Controllers References: <0.5ccf94aa.259a23ad@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ESIft3.0.Hz6.2GJQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/99 6:41:18 AM, L.Angulo@t-online.de writes: > > > Still looking for a good FC any > > > >info. is welcomed. > I'm quite pleased with my Roland FC-200. It's not as comprehensive, I assume, > as the Digitech whatever-10, but I haven't found anything I wanted it to do > that it couldn't. I especially like that it has 6 CV/FS jacks, and that it > can send MIDI notes. What do you need it to do? I'll ask it... > dpc Can the FC-200 send MIDI controller messages, e.g. to control a lexicon unit? I mean, can one or more of the pedals be programmed with a controller message? Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 17:24:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32484; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:24:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:24:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b901bf5182$89b1ea40$0a9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: <0.5ccf94aa.259a23ad@aol.com> Subject: Re: Foot Controllers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:23:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"DCk_Z3.0.Bj7.FVJQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, I need to be able to send midi messages to different midi chanels and to do tap tempo delays as well as start stop samplers etc... Does the Roland FC200 do this? Thank you Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 17:34:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01500; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00b801bf5182$890a1180$0a9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: Subject: Re: Foot Controllers Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:21:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"hyEVA3.0.oi7.CVJQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Mike, What i mean is can you set it up to send Cc´s to do for example Tap tempo delays? Were you pleased with it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 17:58:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06360; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:58:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:58:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:50:30 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, L.Angulo@t-online.de Subject: Re: Foot Controllers Resent-Message-ID: <"H75vg.0.CF1.gxJQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Luis... I'm wondering if you're addressing me though or possibly David Coffin about the Roland FC 200. The FC 200 has 6 separate ExPed inputs which all have assigned cc numbers. This is a MAJOR attraction to using that pedal for people with a big pile of dsp's who want dedicated pedals for many parameters. Beyond that though I don't know much about the programmability of the unit. I'd love to know more as well... I personally have a Digitech PMC-10 which allows you to program two midi strings per patch... In either midi string a or midi string b, on any channel, you can send the following: pgm chg, ctl chg, note on, note off... what the hell else... I know there's other things it can send including sysex which you can record from an external device or input manually. I've only used it for control change's and program changes. I'm going to attempt recording the sysex on/off message for my drum machine to see how that works someday... Right not I use my Boss GT-5 for that. The footswitches can be setup any number of ways... momentary mode, where midi string a is sent when the button is depressed and midi string b is sent when you release for triggering notes on synth modules... toggle mode where it sends sting a when pressed and released, then sends string b when pressed and released again. And finally... if you pick a different switch and tap it a second time it will recall the previous switch data even if it's in a different bank. It has two expression pedal inputs and the pedals can send up to three different controllers with scalable values on different (or the same) channels. They can also be setup as global pedals or local. If you don't input *different* values and turn off the global expression pedal mode in a patch it reverts to global mode (meaning you don't have to program how the pedals will behave...) when you have a specific need for different information to come from the pedal you can input whatever you want for that patch only. It can be used to filter and merge midi input as well. It's as deep as they come... You could certainly put cc values in there and tap rythymically to send tempo information to a dsp. Best regards, -Miko Biffle >>> Luis Angulo 12/28 2:23 PM >>> Hello Mike, What i mean is can you set it up to send Cc*s to do for example Tap tempo delays? Were you pleased with it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 18:14:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09397; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:14:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:14:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912282304.PAA06622@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:08:08 -0800 Subject: Re: broken Echoplex footpedal From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3029238489_97456_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <"axoJk1.0.Nq1.l7KQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3029238489_97456_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I don't use the EDP footpedal w/ my Echoplex(too flimsy)-I use momentarys by Boss-but my question is on the 2nd page of that D.TORN article there is a picture of his footpedal and it looks like the buttons have been replaced w/ metal or something-it looks much sturdier and if I could find out what that is I would start using mine!!...STANNER ---------- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: broken Echoplex footpedal >Date: Mon, Dec 27, 1999, 7:29 PM > > At 8:08 AM -0800 12/27/99, Luis Angulo wrote: >>Hi there, >>I just repared my EDP Foot switcher. Is actually simple; Just buy a couple >>of the same Chinese or better switches and weld them. They are relatively >>inexpensive. Its ashame that Oberheim built such a Powerful unit like the >>EDP with such cheap components,it gives it a bad reputation! >> >>Luis > > The echoplex pedal switches were not just chosen for price. They also are > mechanically quiet, and have a reasonably good feel so you can tap > accurately. Accuracy and feel is very important for looping controls, > otherwise you will have a lot of problems tapping the switches in rhythm > and getting the loop length right. I tried a lot of switches when we > designed it, and ended up liking these cheaper ones best, believe it or > not. Most of the heavy-duty expensive ones make loud clunking sounds when > they contact, which is completely unacceptable for a music device. They > also tend to be harder to press, which makes them hard to tap accurately. > Your loops will always end up a little bit off. > > Oh yeah, and those heavy-duty switches cost $3-5 each in volume (vs $0.25), > which would have more than doubled the price of the control pedal, which > I'm sure would not have pleased many people. :-) We figured if anybody > really wanted those, they could go buy them and replace it themselves since > it was so simple to do. > > When people have trouble with the switches breaking, it is often because > they are tapping them way too hard. They won't last if you stomp on them > with your motorcycle boots a lot. You have to realize that with a looping > device, you are probably tapping the buttons far more often than with your > average pedal. So they have to endure a lot anyway. Treat them nice, they > last just fine. (Mine has worked fine for over 5 years, never even had to > open it up....) And really, there is no reason to stomp like that anyway. > You will find that a light touch will give you much more control and > accuracy for tapping in rhythm. The natural inclination seems to be to > stomp hard to be more accurate, when the opposite is more true! > > But, if you really do need to stomp, spend $5 and get a dozen replacement > switches from mouser.com. Then don't worry about it and replace it when you > need to. Easy to do and cheaper than guitar strings, drum sticks, sax > reeds, turntable needles, batteries, etc. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > --MS_Mac_OE_3029238489_97456_MIME_Part Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="Torn Article, Page 2.url"; x-mac-creator="4D534945"; x-mac-type="4C494E4B" Content-disposition: attachment Content-transfer-encoding: base64 W0ludGVybmV0U2hvcnRjdXRdDQpVUkw9aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbm5paGlsaXN0LmNvbS9sb29w L211c2luZ3MvRGF2aWRfVG9ybi9Ub3JuMi5odG1sDQo= --MS_Mac_OE_3029238489_97456_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 22:31:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28824; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:31:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.da799a2e.259ad759@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:17:45 EST Subject: Some FC-200 answers... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"VX1pG.0.pK6._rNQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <> <> well, I'm not a MIDI expert, but here's what I can tell you about the FC-200 (if I'm missing something obvious to any experts, please pipe up!): It can only send on one channel at a time...I use it to control multiple boxes with cc messages, using a different pedal/switch for each message #. Each unit is on a MIDI thru chain, set to the same channel, and when I set up controller assignments while patch editing, I've determined in advance which pedals and which switches are dedicated to that unit, and use those CC#s. Of course, if I wanted two or more units to respond to the same message, I'd set up the patches that way. The FC has 4 modes: Program Change, CC, MIDI note...and also Sysex. There's a dedicated mode-change footswitch jack that will cycle thru 'em. It can be set to ignore one or more modes. I never use program changes, since I prefer to design patches that have multiple sweet spots via parameter modulation and use CC controllers to access 'em. I used the FC successfully to access every option on the MPX-G2, with perhaps an extra press required in some instances (I think the A/B switch worked this way) with a new patch to initialize values. When you're in program-change mode, the 6 extra CV jacks are still in CC mode. So, I guess it's nowhere near as complex as the Digi pedal, or a Peavey 1600, but I prefer to keep the MDID tech as simple as possible. Somehow I can deal with complex audio patching, but MIDI starts to spoil the fun for me quickly... I bought the manual for the FC from Roland Customer service (maybe $10?) before I sprang for the unit. I'll be glad to answer basic queries on it, but if you've got complex questions, I suggest you do the same....but then, I'm a manual-readin' kinda guy. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 23:04:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03242; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:04:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jcoker@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <38698891.AE23B24B@jguru.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:05:37 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m1cha3l@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, moorelab@hotmail.com Subject: Re: maclooping software References: <19991228160323.1304.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hsqSQ3.0.yX.ITOQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com M T wrote: > > I haven't used it, but isn't Polar (part of MOTU performer) a viable option. > I'm pretty sure it does something similar. > > MT I've never used ACID, and I doubt you'll find anything closely comparable on the mac, but I do know that Digital Performer has some excellent tempo-matching functions. It's non-realtime pitch and time shifting features are very high quality. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Dec 28 23:04:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03169; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:04:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229035801.56417.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [4.3.196.228] From: "Joseph Buck" To: josephbuck@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:58:00 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"NPRV8.0.UU.gROQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello One and All- I am switching email accounts. josephbuck@yahoo.com be well, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 00:50:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26941; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:50:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229054142.16659.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Some FC-200 answers...more questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"hteo21.0.OF6.TyPQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > The FC has 4 modes: Program Change, CC, MIDI > note...and also Sysex. David- Do each of the 4 modes have a user program slot as well as factory preset? If so, how do you program the unit? Do you need an external device such as a midi keyboard or fx processor to send programming info to the FC-200? Thanks John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 01:45:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05150; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:45:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:45:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.54101242.259b06e4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:40:36 EST Subject: Re: Some FC-200 answers...more questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"2j7gK2.0.B11.AqQQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/29/99 12:50:46 AM, wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >Do each of the 4 modes have a user program slot as >well as factory preset? If so, how do you program the >unit? Do you need an external device such as a midi >keyboard or fx processor to send programming info to >the FC-200? You can easily program the FC by itself, even tho it's just got a 2-digit led screen. It's really not cryptic. Program-change mode can be set to send bank select messages or not, but the pedal/number relationship seems fixed (this is not my mode, remember...). CC#s can be changed for all controllers, footswitches can be set to latch or momentary, octave range but not note assignments can be switched in note mode using a pedal in one of the 6 jacks, and MIDI Machine Control and Realtime messages can be sent instead of CC#'s by any footswitch, and there's a limited amount of function overlap, so you can have a bit of everything in program change mode. Sysex mode seems to be only for storage and swapping between other FC-200s. Hope that helps. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 05:27:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27780; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:27:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <380695251.946463006955.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:23:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MOTU POLAR loop software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.122.110.164 Resent-Message-ID: <"K24591.0.SR5.X4UQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, folks... Do any of you guys use MOTU Digital Perfomer on the Macintosh? The new versions (2.6 or later) have a built-in audio looping tool called POLAR. More information is at http://www.motu.com/english/software/dp/dp26/index.html It certainly looks like it could be used live, with DP's remote control facilities. I don't even use a Mac, never mind Digital Performer, but this makes me hope they'll port it to the PC... Brian Thomson Dublin, IE bnt@email.com Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 06:22:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA22799; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:22:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:22:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229111552.6011.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.220.21] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Wanted korg ms 20, sq10, X911 with foot controllers$1000 for package Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:15:52 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"vx-O13.0.Tq3.bsUQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello I would really like these synths so if you have them or see them in your travels drop me a line. Thanks Jeremiah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 06:18:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17551; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:18:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229111219.28925.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.220.21] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Can any body explain Time lag Acuumulator? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:12:19 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"ZEVgh3.0.Vc2.voUQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello, My name is Jeremiah i am 17 and my only looping device is the edp. I like reel to reel players and was wondering if frippertronics is still viable(might it be super bad ass if used with Edp?) On the fripp eno album "No pussyfooting" one side says "2 modified revox a77" and only one mod a77 was used on the other yet there is still quite a bit of looping. Why was was the a77 used? What were the modifications? My understanding is that the revi used on this album were stereo two tracks, could 4,8,... track reel to reels be used for insane density? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 06:26:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25343; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:26:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:26:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229112210.74425.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.220.21] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Simms up grade for EDp? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:22:10 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"whiLX2.0.zX5.7yUQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw some chips on ebay really cheap, like under $16 for (4)4mb is this right. I know the manual says any chips will do , but it was written a while ago any new info? Also I read thr interview with david torn on the LD site and he said his unit was had upgraded software and are there updates still avialable? Has the shipdate for the new EDPs been found out yet? Can I still get in on the group buy. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 06:51:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19372; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:51:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991229114409.26438.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.220.21] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any one using doepfer modular,paia, or MOTM to process audio? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 05:44:09 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"FWg0h3.0.wl2.gGVQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw a post here with a link to the doepfer site any one using there stuff? Anyone using a modular system for anything? I have a hagstrom patch200 in the mail and I an wonder what the possibilities for guitar are in the modular world and what system to use to inter face this world. The hag is wired to produce cv\gate so I can control modulars but there now is yamaha g 50 axon technology, pitch to midi converter , which coupled with a midi to cv, puts you in the game. The G50 is also cool because you can assign a guitar string to each Midi channel to a cv out put(via kenton) an controll six mono synths(imagine six mini moogs with all controls synced to a master moog{and then a switch to give each mini its own string}insert evil mad scientist laugh here___) but the only reasonably priced g50(forget the mini's) I have seen was the total system for 1000 bucks and after I spent that much money the'd find a better interface before I could afford a modular. I think my beloved korg systemwhich cabe controlled by the hag's pitch as well a cv(not to mention the swede is an awsome guitar in its own right) is the best way to go for guitarish type stuff I want. Any thoughts and comments from you sagely seasoned music types? I appreciate you fellas for lettin us over-postin minors in. Hope you all had a happy holidays. Jeremiah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 09:00:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18215; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:00:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:00:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991229085804.00885b50@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:58:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Foot Controllers- Look for MIDIGATOR In-Reply-To: <000a01bf5128$63b967a0$f699b8d4@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id IAA12851 Resent-Message-ID: <"2Ljlx1.0.fB3.oAXQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone ever see the Lake Butler Midi MIdigator???? it's a great midid controller--- sends ALL midid messages, incl cont.control. since it letes you also program in HEX - even newer midid messages, since it came out, are possible. it can be used as a bass pedal too -- you can store notes and CHORDS in patches etc 1024 patches,each with a huge 'command string' possible...any midid commands can be strung together on EACH patch...program change, note on/off, sequence start/stop, controllers, blah blah b;lah you can save the patches in three "sets" -- so you have a 'discrete' FC for each project or type of music that you do!! incredible unit-- but not made anymore. i do see em from time to time-- and they are in use by some of the busiest out there..vernon reid has his onstage once inna while... belew seems to use his at least at home. tm stevens triggers samples and program changes with his... yet - they never really were a huge unit - but they are totally comprehensive. I've had mine, like ten years and the only downtime was getting a new battery installed. see the inside photos of his "music for solo guitar vol I - Orchestral" -- CD look around some used stores.. and ebay ..digibid.com.... auctionsoup.com... i know there's one out there.. -andre' At 12:40 PM 12/28/1999 +0100, you wrote: >Hi there, >I just got the Ground Control FC to find out that this thing doesn´t even >send Continuous Controllers. Why is this thing advertised as a foot >controller? Definetly the PMC 10 is the most complete FC is just too bad *NEW* CD out - Alien Concepts by Jfk's Lsd Ufo http://www.ufomusic.com my site http://www.monmouth.com/~andre From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 09:20:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06730; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991229091348.00954410@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:15:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Simms up grade for EDp? In-Reply-To: <19991229112210.74425.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"moTvm2.0.hQ.4UXQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think $15 to $20 is the going rate for 30-pin 4MB Simms. You can get them for $15.29 if you order on line at http://www.crucial.com/search/index.asp I've been pleased with the service and prices from Crucial. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com **** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ** http://www.studiodust.com palace://studiodust.com:9996 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 13:00:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21671; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:00:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:00:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DB3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Foot Controllers- Look for MIDIGATOR Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:01:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"59zCn.0.9t5.MvZQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I use the rfc-1 midi mitgator as well. They are great. Never had a problem with mine. but what will I do when it misbehaves?! That is a shame that they don't make them anymore. It was a nice and simpe solution. I only wish I had bougt 2 or maybe 3 of them at the time. They used to be about $200 or so dollars. I am looking fr a couple as backups. They also had this cool pedalboard of 4-5 standalone continuous controllers .very nice. Denis Densi Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: andre [mailto:andre@monmouth.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 8:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Foot Controllers- Look for MIDIGATOR anyone ever see the Lake Butler Midi MIdigator???? it From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 13:54:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15137; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:54:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:54:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: SOT: Signal Processing question Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:27:10 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282DB3E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"cIAeK.0.-E.o6bQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I have been building looping patches in my 2120 ( an excellent tool for building experimental sounds and loop) So, a lot of my patches involve overloading the DSP, internally, so that digital clipping occurs. This creates something like a distorted resonant filter squeal. Is this bad for the unit? I would assume that, since the clipping is happening in the digital domain, nothing is really getting overloaded. Comments? I guess the reason I am worried is that I intend to do this a >lot< with the unit. It's a nice sound. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 14:57:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15359; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:57:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:57:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Pure Granulated Sound Compilation Status In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991227020245.007ca100@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GJSx83.0.7m2.5PcQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A good rule of thumb is that you should never pay to appear on someone else's compilation. If you really think that you should appear on a pay-for-play compilation, only work with someone who has a history and track record. Speaking as someone who has learned this costly lesson through his own experience, Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, everyone... > > I don't know if anyone here remembers a compilation that I sent some info > to the list about called Pure Granulated Sound. I and some of my musical > friends submitted our songs and $25 quite some time ago--and we've heard > nothing back from the guy at the label (Colin Wales at Interfear > Recordings). I was wondering if anyone else on the lists submitted to this > compilation, and what you might have heard or what you might know about the > status. We have repeatedly emailed the guy, and have received NO replies. > Here is his contact info, in case any other participants want to give it a > shot: > > http://members.xoom.com/stophim/interfear/granular.htm > > stophim@muscanet.com > > I'm suggesting to everyone that I know who is "participating" in the lame > project to demand their submissions and money back with January of the new > year. > > If anyone on this list is involved in this flop, please drop me a line > privately so that we can get our music and money back! > > Thanks, > Jeff McLeod > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > http://members.xoom.com/edkempertrio/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 15:45:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17363; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:45:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:45:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bf523a$db63e100$a850883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: power supply for line 6 delay Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:23:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8ZJse.0.761.KwcQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com does anyone know how the power supply for the DL4 is wired ? is the centre pin positive (+) or negative (-) ? i have seen the power supply for the pod which is the same one as the dl4 but it has no clues written on it. thanks Renaldo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 15:54:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23640; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:54:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:54:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <0.b3c5464b.259bcd49@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:47:05 EST Subject: Re: power supply for line 6 delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"N8wWK3.0.0f4.nDdQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com all i know is that you can use the power supply for an alesis drum machine for it. hope this helps, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 16:23:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14325; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echopark99@aol.com Message-ID: <0.4d49f350.259bd37c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:13:32 EST Subject: Re: power supply for line 6 delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"LM5_81.0.HZ1.acdQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/29/99 1:45:55 PM, renaldo@renaldo.freeserve.co.uk writes: >does anyone know how the power supply for the DL4 is wired ? >is the centre pin positive (+) or negative (-) ? Polarity is not an issue because it supplies AC, not the more common DC, which needs a specific polarity. That's why it simply says 9VAC 1200 mA minimum. I found one at an electronics store for $8.50. Just make sure it's AC *and* make sure it has the larger sized barrel-type plug at the end. It is a size larger than the typical effects pedal power plug. The smaller more common size is 2.1mm, I'm not sure but I think the correct size for the DL4 is 2.5mm. Best to bring the pedal with you... eric p echo park From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 17:05:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07672; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:05:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:05:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386A8442.596434B2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:00:05 -0800 From: George Van Wagner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: power supply for line 6 delay References: <000301bf523a$db63e100$a850883e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tMKBs.0.iR1.2HeQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The official power supply is AC, not DC, so polarity isn't an issue. George renaldo mckim wrote: > > does anyone know how the power supply for the DL4 is wired ? > is the centre pin positive (+) or negative (-) ? > i have seen the power supply for the pod which is the same one as the dl4 > but it has no clues written on it. > > thanks > Renaldo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 18:24:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03203; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:24:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386A92F1.763E@cnetix.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:02:09 -0600 From: Hung Viet Nguyen Reply-To: hungn@cnetix.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex and Emu Morpheus for sale! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Vltk42.0.Dk4.EDfQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I'm offering my Lexicon Vortex plus Roland ev-5 expresson pedal for sale. It's in excellent condition. Comes with the manual and footswich. Expression pedal is essential for getting the most out of the unit(e.g. morphing) I'm entertaining bids over $250 + S/H. Also up for sale is an Emu Morpheus sound module. Excellent condition. I bought it new one year ago. Willing to let it go for $350 + s/h. Comes with thick manual. Also comes with handy tutorial video from Emu. Please e-mail me privately at hungn@cnetix.com about the sales. Also willing to trade for Power Mac system with Cubase and possibly older version of Pro Tools. Thanks, Hung. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Dec 29 22:50:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23298; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:50:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:50:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:30:05 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Simms up grade for EDp? In-reply-to: <19991229112210.74425.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xm4tY.0.Dq2.08jQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In general, most questions like these are answered in the echoplex FAQ, make sure to check it out: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html At 3:22 AM -0800 12/29/99, George Washington wrote: >I saw some chips on ebay really cheap, like under $16 for (4)4mb is this >right. I know the manual says any chips will do , but it was written a while >ago any new info? If they meet the requirements they should be fine. That is, 30 pin simms, 4MB. They can be parity/non-parity, mac/pc, doesn't matter. They need to be 120ns or faster, but it is very unlikely that you will ever find any that slow anyhow. (usually they are 60-80ns, I think 150ns were only available before you were born. :-). Pretty much any 30pin 4MB simm is gonna work. Takes four of them for the full upgrade to 198 seconds. (there haven't been any of innovations in 4MB 30 pin simms in years, I wouldn't expect any changes there. The PC industry moved on from those quite a while ago....;-) >Also I read thr interview with david torn on the LD site >and he said his unit was had upgraded software and are there updates still >avialable? He has the LoopIIIv5.0 upgrade. That's explained in the FAQ too. That software has been shipping in new echoplexes for a couple of years now. If you see 'Loop 3' scroll by, followed by '5.0' when you turn the power on, you have it. If you don't have it, you can buy it from Aurisis, send mail to upgrade@aurisis.com. >Has the shipdate for the new EDPs been found out yet? They tell me new units are coming off the new production line in january. All systems go! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 12:18:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02637; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:18:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:18:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: WooTown977@aol.com Message-ID: <0.23e98e4e.259cec7d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:12:29 EST Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"zK4E-.0.7O.WAvQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please take me off the mail list wootown977 @aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 12:45:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08435; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991130180924.007b7100@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19991130180924.007b7100@pop.ici.net> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:22:02 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Thumb Piano/high fidelity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"8fnbp1.0.6n5.CrJHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The fact that the mbira thread and the signal splitting thread are running >almost simultaneously presents quite a contrast. While we talk a lot about >signal degradation, sampling rates, noise reduction, etc., a funny thing >about the mbira as it's used in western Africa is that they''ll hammer >bottlecaps flat and nail 'em onto their mbiras so the caps'll rattle and >buzz, giving the sound "character". In this light, I guess even technical >standards and specs are a cultural thing! (Think of the Jamaican dub >producers who were prizing their old analog delays for their lo-fi >character while the rest of the world was telling them they were obsolete. >Context is everything!) with a piezo under the flat nail you can join both worlds. You get an amazing bass out of the Kalimba. >Tim > >(That 60Hz buzz coming outa my rack is annoying, but do you think if I >preface my playing by saying it's intentional I'll fool anyone?) if you tune the other instruments to it... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 12:45:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08437; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop3.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:44:43 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP guts questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"EuzCP3.0.iw4.E60Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >4) What are the components at B1 and B2? Probably something obvious, but I'm >not a hardware geek, just a software geek with a soldering station.... Small inductors, dont care... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 12:45:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08578; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:45:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:22:01 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, crash@waste.org Subject: Re: New Line6 Delay/Looper Questions Resent-Message-ID: <"caWso3.0.G7.6UMHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> Todd Madson 12/01 10:02 AM >>> > (1) does it actually loop for more than a few seconds? I'd heard rumors it only looped for short amounts of time and that the 14 second mode was for a sampler (i.e. non looper). dispell please! We've already heard right here that in half speed mode you get 28 secs... normal speed is the advertised 14. It was also stated that the sound was good and responded well to oversaturation... Anyone want to review this quality a little more in depth? > (2) stereo? really? Yep... > (3) audio specs please? URL attached... it's not listed in their product directory... it's under Support. > (4) your impressions. None yet... but the people already raving about them have given me enough bait! I've been looking at the PDF file for the DL4 for some time now and can't believe how many features are inside this puppy. You can even attach an expression pedal and have it control more than one parameter. Sounds semi-Vortex like in it's capabilities AND it loops like the Boomerang which it's modelled after. Only question is audio quality of the looper... Anyone? Steve Tibbets URL is attached as well... Best Regards, Miko Biffle, mbiffle@svg.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." begin 644 Line 6 Support Reference Library.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT='`Z+R]W=W2YH=&T-"@T*6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] From: "G716 - Greg S." To: , References: Subject: Re: New Line6 Delay/Looper Questions Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:48:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"ozdvN2.0.7L5.ybwQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > (2) stereo? really? > > Yep... Nope! Well, sort of. Yes, a stereo signal will pass through the DL4, and there are stereo delays. When in sampler (i.e. looper) mode however, your loops will be summed up in mono. The source stereo signal will pass through in stereo, but the loop is recorded and played back in mono. For example: You plug your instrument into a stereo chorus unit with stereo outs. Those stereo outs feed the DL4. As you play you'll hear the stereo chorus, but if you record a loop the stereo nature will be gone when you play it back. If you solo over the now mono loop, you'll hear your solo with the stereo chorus. So you could call it "stereo pass through" with "mono sampling". Does that make sense? > Only question is > audio quality of the looper... Anyone? I hear no audible difference between the DL4 and my EDP. Mind you I don't have a super high-fi system (Strats -> various FX -> DL4 -> Mackie 1202 w/ EDP on Aux Send -> PC, home stereo, or keyboard amp), but I've been very pleased with the simplicity and apparent durability of the DL4. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 15:38:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32528; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:38:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:38:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001bf5304$88227f40$c422883e@oemcomputer> From: "renaldo mckim" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: power supply for line 6 delay Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:26:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QrWxJ.0.2u6.l3yQu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks for the answers guys all the best for the new year/century/millennium to everyone on the list cheers Renaldo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 17:24:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09000; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:39:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:39:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38459CEF.20F6AA30@virtulink.com> References: <38459CEF.20F6AA30@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:30:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: DL-4 $198 price? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"4mAqO2.0.tx1.23RHu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Beardsley wrote: >I got mine this afternoon for $235 including the AC adaptor. and where was that? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 17:41:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06992; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:41:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:41:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:35:29 PST Message-Id: <199912062335.AA262275162@mail.kindercore.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "looper" Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sp202 yet again: HELP! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"aXCuf.0.no4.9aBJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I just picked up an sp-202 (DR. S) at a pawnshop CHEAP! It even came with the media card. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a url with the manual. I didn't get that with it, unfortunately. Also, is there anyway to copy the samples from the memory card to the main memory? It seems you cannot play multiple samples from the card. And that is what I intended to do with it. thanks, dan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 17:56:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07350; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:50:59 -0800 Message-ID: <004001bf3e99$44c765a0$f9358218@we.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <0.3b4f4687.257a6587@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ya0hs2.0.1k5.RvNIu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Older Yamaha KM802- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SnarleyCo@aol.com [mailto:SnarleyCo@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 4:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex sounds "bottled" when bypassed- ot? In a message dated 12/4/99 12:57:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, clifsound@mediaone.net writes: << I have mine in stereo through my mixer aux send/return- when I have the Vortex bypassed the sound is bottle like until I dial the Vortex out of the channel completly- >> What Mixer are U using ? Carl Snow Moss Hill REC> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 17:59:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06985; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:41:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:41:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <384CD9B3.FA496B64@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 03:56:04 -0600 From: Jimmy George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DL 4 question - Presets? References: <3.0.6.32.19991206093657.009282f0@mail.monmouth.com> <3.0.6.32.19991207020933.00931220@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v85-y.0.hR3.7eDJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" have you heard about the up-coming shakti tour? jimmy george andre wrote: > OK > > line 6 called me AND emailed me back..prompt service.... > > the deal is - you have a TOTAL of 3 presets in the DL4 - i thought it was 3 > PER digital delay type - for a total of 48..no go > > i guess three is amazing enuf - for a non midi, stompbox type device... > > so - no matter what 'model'echo you are in - the threee presets - A B and C > - will remain whatever they are - they don't change with every turn of knob > #1 (echo type) > > of course - you can change all 3 settings and save the new sounds. > > all is cool. > > "what need have i for this, what need have i for that- i am dancing with my > feet on the DL4 - all is bliss, all is bliss" > > andre' > > *NEW* Jfk's Lsd Ufo CD "Alien Concepts" available now... > > Jfk's Lsd Ufo site Project Object/Zappa tribute > http://www.ufomusic.com http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:01:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07121; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005c01bf4241$a74b4a60$f3fb1a26@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "lava" From: "lava" To: Subject: Re: It's and Its Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:33:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EaV7j.0.Er1.iW-Ju"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com they even did it in the Time Magazine piece on Hip Hop... third line from end of first page of article. cb former pro proofer -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:35 PM Subject: Re: It's and Its >Well, there's a nice 12K for the digest... > >At 12:50 AM 12/9/99 -0600, you wrote: >>itsitsits.... etc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:03:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12168; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.d39b4e33.25824fef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:45:35 EST Subject: Re: sync-ing non-midi loopers???/Quiet switches for Headrush! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Resent-Message-ID: <"rVxz81.0.fj2.KOFKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jack, Good Idea! They should stay perfectly in sync. And the switches inside the Headrush are DPDT (push/push) so you even have extra lugs on each switch to do it. Aaaaand one wall wart is plenty, just make up a pig-tailed Y-plug for one of them. I use this all the time. For instance, I have had two Korg X5DR's running off one wall wart for two years now and both my Headrushes are on another, etc. Works fine. I use my Headrushes differently than you suggest however. One's 'mix out' goes to the other's 'input'. That ultimately gives me a 23 second loop with many, many, many layers, if I so choose. Btw: I have found much quieter switches for the Headrush too, if you do a lot of vocal or acoustic instrument looping in a very quiet room where the click of the switches is picked up by your mic(s). Alcoswitch Part# MPG-106D. SPDT. They are not the 'combat strength' switches the originals are however. I remounted the original switches on mine with rubber washers and that helped soften the click sufficiently for me. good luck, 'hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:03:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07099; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its In-Reply-To: <0.c3e5a293.25812119@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XZzqB1.0.wu4.dBzJu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com y'know, you're the only one that still feels some how "violated" by that off-topic "war" that happened a month back or so enough to keep commenting on it. give it up. i swear in comparison to the other mailing lists i'm on, this one has the highest "whine" factor. On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 MyWarNerve@aol.com wrote: |The rules are simple, don't play the game. Let them be self righteouse in |their electronic worlds. Let them discuss scotch and pitbulls. But don't you |dare have a sense of humor about anything, because that most of all, would be |off-topic. |A | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:03:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07146; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:42:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:40:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Hello + Q; RE: Lex Jam Man info From: Travis Hartnett To: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3847FC11.EB4CBA8E@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GE5x52.0.Fx4.O60Iu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The manual is onlilne at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jammanual/jamman_manual.html It's in jpeg format, scanned in from the original. TH > > We can provide you a copy of the manual for $10 to cover the cost of copy, > binding and mail > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music NYC > http://www.roguemusic.com > > SnarleyCo@aol.com wrote: > >> Hey list...new here >> >> name = Carl Snow... Own 16 TR studio in Knoxville TN >> >> Feel in love w/ loopin' many many many years ago when i first heard >> Eno/Fripp "No Pussyfooting" and "Evenining star" >> blah blah blah......... >> >> NOW to the 64$ question.... >> been searching for a L O N G time for the manual for Lexicons Jam-Man .... >> I sent the small black rack TO lexicon in order to add more RAM = seconds - >> delay/sample... >> In the shipping and "repair?" instructions i indicated "hey a MANUAL would be >> nice" >> ___purchased sans Manual___ >> >> Help .... please... The J-Man and i get along very well >> But our relashionship would improve w/ a .....you guessed it....Manual !!! >> >> Any suggestions......experiences....factiods etc... would be very apreciated >> >> Thanks >> Carl Snow >> Moss Hill REC. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07316; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:43:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:43:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991212115035.26332.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: DL4 Review and Group Discount Price via Alto Music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"t5cNR3.0.k53.EmuKu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just want to chime in on Greg's review.... I ordered my DL-4 from Alto on Tues. & received it on Thurs. All total w/shipping $232.88. They were out of power supplies at the time, but said they would send one along ASAP. They sent batteries to get me started. I already own an EV-5 exp. pedal & it works just fine with the DL-4. I would like to give a hearty second to something Greg said. The DL-4 is not only like a "little brother" Echoplex, but it also shares some DNA with the Vortex. I started out by using the DL-4 in the effects loop of my Digitech 2120. This was OK, but the effects loop is mono so I was missing a lot. I then tried running the stereo outputs of the 2120 to the stereo inputs of the DL-4. This was much better. As far as looping goes, I find the sound quality at half speed (28 secs) well within my tolerance. I like the feel of the footswitches. I have big feet, but a light foot, and I haven't missed a start/stop point on a loop yet. As far as the authenticity of the modeling, I'll have to defer to the experts. I can say that they are distinct from each other & IMO represent an incredible value in their own right. You can even use them as loopers,(within the confines of their delay times). Most recently, I ran the output of my EDP into the DL-4 & just sat for an hour or so with the DL-4 in my lap, moving from model to model & spinning knobs. Welcome to Vortex Country! Five minutes of this will have you pining for one of those knob turning gizmos like Neil Young uses on his guitar amp. I mean it. I would appreciate any advice on how to accomplish footpedal control of ALL the knobs. I hope Line 6 sells enough of these puppies to encourage further looper development. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:49:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21196; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:49:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <007101bf3b8b$e818de20$2183bc3e@default> Reply-To: "Gareth Whittock" From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Subject: Re:mulchers delight Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:37:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"XfbCB.0.2Q4.Au-Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just thought i'd pass this on http://www.multimania.com/scdevelop/indexa.htm has some new and improved vst plugins with relevance to Audio mulch looping activities check out the new 10sec sampler - its very good this guy has a whole load of vst plugins for $40 VFM indeed! Gareth Oh and a happy new thousand year loop to all From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 18:47:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20541; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:47:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:47:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:33:12 -0800 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: New looper guidance wanted/needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QP2RE3.0._A4.8s-Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been lurking around here for about eight months now, reading some great postings and waiting for the second coming... of the EDP, of course. :-) In lieu of a proper looping device I finally got the courage to combine my GT-5 and GT-3 together with a Macky 1202 mixer and fiddle with aux sends, 1.8 seconds of delay, and feedback. The results are very interesting but I guess I was expecting nothing less than astounding Fripponian Soudscapes. Some general questions: My first notion is that looping and soundscapes are not really the same thing; that looping is more phrase sampling with playback and soundscapes is controlled feedback/regeneration. Is this correct? How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects? How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? Is the EDP suited more for looping than soundscaping? Can one come close to that Fripp sound without buying lots of TC electronics and Harmonizers? About three months ago someone here posted their Macky 1202 and FX signal path. I have found it very useful and even though none of my FX match at least it indicated what one can do with a 1202. I would really like to see more examples of soundscape signal paths and think that there ought to be a place for such things on the LD web page. Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 19:22:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05469; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:22:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:22:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000001bf53b3$17772980$f18909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: Subject: Akia HeadRush Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:16:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF536F.B7282540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"8DYQI2.0.8s.lO_Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF536F.B7282540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Akia HeadRush" Has anyone noticed the background noise(hiss). It's the only thing that lets these things down. I use 2 of them , 1 to loop, the other to tap in a delay. Using 2, I have two times the hiss. Can anyone suggest a peice of gear, or something apart from a noise gate and not using them. After seeing Doug Wimbish several times. Using a shit load of gear and having silent rig. I'm jealous.=20 It must be his T.C Electronics stuff. Living in Australia, there's = not a hellava lot of gear to try locally. Remember we've only have = kangaroos and shit jumping around here. Also, I think I'ts about time there was an official Doug Wimbish site. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF536F.B7282540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   "Akia HeadRush" Has anyone noticed = the=20 background noise(hiss).
   It's the only thing that lets = these things=20 down. I use 2 of them ,
   1 to loop, the other to tap in a delay. = Using 2,=20 I have two times the
   hiss. Can anyone suggest a peice of = gear, or=20 something apart from
   a noise gate and not using = them.  After seeing Doug Wimbish several
   times. Using a shit load of = gear and having silent rig. I'm jealous.
   It must be his T.C Electronics = stuff. Living in Australia, there's not
   a hellava lot of gear to try = locally. Remember we've only have kangaroos
   and shit jumping around = here.=20  Also, I think I'ts about time there
   was an official Doug Wimbish=20 site.
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF536F.B7282540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 19:44:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15265; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:44:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:44:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jeffsg4255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6b5ece8.259d522f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:26:23 EST Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Resent-Message-ID: <"4wyz42.0.Zy1.JX_Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com get a line six dl-4 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 19:57:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21131; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:57:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:57:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386BFC1F.24B9934F@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:43:15 -0600 From: James Devillez Reply-To: groundfloor@hcis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: all systems go References: <199912302311.SAA00747@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KaUoJ3.0.yQ3.sj_Qu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > They tell me new units are coming off the new production line in january. > All systems go! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......!!!!!!!!!!!!! :::-}}} and here one of my new years resoulutions was i wasn't going to spend every cent I had on Musical equipment..oh well... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 20:13:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27703; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:13:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:13:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <030001bf532a$48963a80$c02f7ad4@lenclud> From: "Laurent" To: Subject: atari sequencing loopers should contact me personally! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:47:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"w3ZBi.0.Py5.R40Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I'm constructing a site dedicated to atari sequencing. Please help me to build my link page and get in touch privately @: atarirevolution@technologist.com CU, Laurent From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 20:12:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27322; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:12:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:12:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bf5329$ae12dea0$bacd44c6@net.tstar.net> From: "Ronda Turner" To: References: <000001bf53b3$17772980$f18909d2@mpx.com.au> Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:54:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF52F7.57C82F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"yFvfL1.0.lP5.X00Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF52F7.57C82F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clearly you're going to have to find a way to make a looper out of a = Kangaroo. And while your at it you might as well genetically engineer them to be = large enough that a 250 pound man could climb into its pouch and hop = away. I would suggest to R&D that in the future all Kangaroo loopers should be = able to generate coffee and bark ribald French phrases when stared at = for more than three seconds. Get Paul Hogan on it. Living in Australia, there's not a hellava lot of gear to try locally. Remember we've only have = kangaroos and shit jumping around here. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF52F7.57C82F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clearly you're going to have to find a way to make a = looper=20 out of a Kangaroo.
And while your at it you might as well genetically = engineer=20 them to be large enough that a 250 pound man could climb into its pouch = and hop=20 away.
I would suggest to R&D that in the future all = Kangaroo=20 loopers should be able to generate coffee and bark ribald French = phrases=20 when stared at for more than three seconds.
Get Paul Hogan on it.
Living in Australia, there's not
   a hellava lot of gear to try=20 locally. Remember we've only have=20 kangaroos
   and shit jumping around = here.
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF52F7.57C82F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 20:54:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11681; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:54:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:54:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: NoelG26@aol.com Message-ID: <0.32f782d5.259d628a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:36:10 EST Subject: AKIA HEADRUSH To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 Resent-Message-ID: <"FVDFP.0.H61.kY0Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mine was having the same problem, but I am 2 cheep to buy any other looper, any other suggestions?? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 21:23:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20308; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:23:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:23:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.19991230190606.00a85240@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:12:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991230210053.007a9220@pop.ici.net> References: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IsEU3.0.1T4.-61Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 09:00 PM 12/30/99 -0500, Tim Nelson wrote: >>How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? > >A lot depends on what type of delays you're using; if you've got something >with a decent live overdub capability (see "Tools of the Trade" on the LD >site you can do a lot >more than you could with a sample-and-hold delay. Yes, you can, in some respects; personally, though, I'm happier with my rack full of old RDS-series delays and the DE-200 than I was with the Jamman or in my trials with an EDP. There's something about the old dials and things in a series that I like, as well as the being forced to be innovative with what you've got approach to looping. I mean, for the price of one EDP, I can have 10 old RDS 3.6s that'll do some pretty amazing things in conjunction :) >What many loopers do when >they upgrade, though, is to hang onto their older delays since you can >always find some use for a short looper. You can never have too many delays.. One thing that's probably more >important than the number of delays in doing decent soundscapes has to do >with the variety of sounds being input TO your delays; a wide range of >timbres from your instrument(s) when combined with a looping device's >overdub capability can sound pretty orchestral, polyphonic or just plain >massive. Having some LFOs in the delay unit(s) never hurt either, particularly those that are non-destructive to what's in the sample-and-hold loop. This reason is also why I'm so fond of my ebow and odd things like the EH BassBalls pedals and similar envelope filters. Hell, I even like the oddball digital distortions I've been pulling out of an old REX50 that one of the fellow loopers sold me a few weeks ago. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 21:06:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16083; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:06:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:06:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991230210053.007a9220@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:00:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed In-Reply-To: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2GD2A.0.4Q3.Bv0Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With the caveat that you'll get a range of different answers to these questions, and that apparently contradictory answers may be equally valid, here's one opinion: >At 03:33 PM 12/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >Some general questions: >My first notion is that looping and soundscapes are not really the same >thing; that looping is more phrase sampling with playback and >soundscapes is controlled feedback/regeneration. Is this correct? There's quite a bit of overlap between the two terms as they're generally used. Yes, looping does involve the repetition of a captured piece of sound, but it's also very important to be able to add to and manipulate the loop in real time. Looping is a much broader term, while soundscapes are usually descriptive of a more textural style using looping. > >How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects? It's surprising how much can be done with under two seconds, but obviously the more memory (and control functions!) you've got the more versatile you can be. > >How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? A lot depends on what type of delays you're using; if you've got something with a decent live overdub capability (see "Tools of the Trade" on the LD site you can do a lot more than you could with a sample-and-hold delay. What many loopers do when they upgrade, though, is to hang onto their older delays since you can always find some use for a short looper. One thing that's probably more important than the number of delays in doing decent soundscapes has to do with the variety of sounds being input TO your delays; a wide range of timbres from your instrument(s) when combined with a looping device's overdub capability can sound pretty orchestral, polyphonic or just plain massive. That's why so many soundscape artists favor synths (guitar, keyboard, or some sort of alternate controller) and/or a good variety of stompboxes; it's important to be able to draw upon a suitably wide range of sounds to feed into your loopers, and to be able to change quickly between these sounds with a good level of control. > >Is the EDP suited more for looping than soundscaping? It can do both. It's probably the most versatile looping device available in terms of delay time and parameters for loop manipulation. (Well, almost available... January?!) > >Can one come close to that Fripp sound without buying lots of TC >electronics and Harmonizers? TC and Eventide both make some VERY fine cream-of-the-crop gear, but there's a pile of stuff available that can get you into pitch-shifting and layered delays for a whole lot less money. Check out the archives or some of the bulletin boards like Harmony Central; you'll find many aficionados of some of the more moderately-priced multi-effects and stompboxes from Zoom, Boss/Roland, Korg, Digitech, etc. etc. etc., as well as those maladjusted miscreants among us who enjoy scouring pawnshops for weird, funky old effects and connecting them in combinations which would nauseate their designers. Again, you'll get many different answers to your questions, and the bottom line is finding what works best for you. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 22:07:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03373; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:07:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:07:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <048a01bf533a$5e6d6760$0100005a@Hewlettpackard.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"lvH7f.0.1I.Qn1Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 6:33 PM Subject: New looper guidance wanted/needed > Some general questions: > > My first notion is that looping and soundscapes are not really the same > thing; that looping is more phrase sampling with playback and > soundscapes is controlled feedback/regeneration. Is this correct? For all intents and purposes, looping is soundscaping, and soundscaping is looping, only "looping" doesn't sound as dorky. "Soundscapes" is just the term Fripp uses for his loop-based pieces. He's using the same equipment as anyone else, only with a somewhat larger budget. The term "soundscapes" also seems to imply soothing new-age music, which surely doesn't describe >all< (or even most) loop-based music. You can call your looping pieces "soundscapes" too if you want, or whatever else strikes your fancy; it's all just looping at heart. > How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects? I'm limited to 4 seconds, and I can do a decent imitation of the late-1970's "Frippertronics" sound. His newer stuff is based on much longer loop times- "Threnody for Souls in Torment," from The Bridge Between, is based on a 20-second delay, and the stuff on "November Suite" and "That Which Passes" is based on longer loop times (some I believe up to 2 full minutes!); often he'll have two, three, or four loops going simultaneously, each with a different length. > How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? I guess the more the merrier; more delay units means more independent loops. Just remember that Fripp only had a tape delay for "Let the Power Fall," 2 TC 2290s for "1999," and then moved up to 4 TC's by the time the Projeckts came along. I recently moved up to 2 4-second delays, and the possibilities are enough to keep me busy for a while. > Is the EDP suited more for looping than soundscaping? Again, ain't no difference. > Can one come close to that Fripp sound without buying lots of TC > electronics and Harmonizers? No, although it's amazing what a cheap multi-effect unit and a volume pedal can give you. I can't get the sound of a massive choir or 80-piece orchestra, but I can certainly produce lots of sounds that you'd never guess originated on a guitar. Have fun! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 23:29:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26967; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:29:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:29:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199912310424.XAA13493@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:26:05 -0400 Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed From: "Christopher White" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_m6Zt.0.iK6.v_2Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com answers:experiment..i use 3 machines a quad 2 an mpx 1 and a dd3...i use samplers and analog boards with these machines..it all depnds i was happy using modified answering machine tapes when i was poor. c.white ---------- >From: Allan Hoeltje >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: New looper guidance wanted/needed >Date: Thu, Dec 30, 1999, 7:33 PM > >I've been lurking around here for about eight months now, reading some >great postings and waiting for the second coming... of the EDP, of >course. :-) In lieu of a proper looping device I finally got the >courage to combine my GT-5 and GT-3 together with a Macky 1202 mixer and >fiddle with aux sends, 1.8 seconds of delay, and feedback. The results >are very interesting but I guess I was expecting nothing less than >astounding Fripponian Soudscapes. > >Some general questions: > >My first notion is that looping and soundscapes are not really the same >thing; that looping is more phrase sampling with playback and >soundscapes is controlled feedback/regeneration. Is this correct? > >How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects? > >How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? > >Is the EDP suited more for looping than soundscaping? > >Can one come close to that Fripp sound without buying lots of TC >electronics and Harmonizers? > >About three months ago someone here posted their Macky 1202 and FX >signal path. I have found it very useful and even though none of my FX >match at least it indicated what one can do with a 1202. I would really >like to see more examples of soundscape signal paths and think that >there ought to be a place for such things on the LD web page. > >Allan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 23:36:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28122; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:36:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:36:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.e824d45e.259d8ae3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:28:19 EST Subject: Re: AKIA HEADRUSH To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"03lX62.0.wZ6.543Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I only get 'hissing' and other noise if my signal is too hot going in to the Headrushes, but they don't seem to me to be as sensitive to overloading the input as my EDP was Of course there's no way to know on the Akai's, except by ear, no clipping LED's. But, maybe it has more to do with the fact that I rarely run electric guitars through them either, just synths and vocals. And I believe the high damp wouldn't be much help either if the inputs are overloaded. I bought a Behringer Denoiser for the EDP when I used it exclusively for looping, just in case the input came in a little hot. Haven't had to fire it up since I sold the Oberheim and bought the Headrushes. Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 23:42:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29410; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:42:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386C30FA.F6BCAD4F@quik.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:28:42 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed References: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kbZhq3.0.Js6.eA3Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Allan Hoeltje wrote: > My first notion is that looping and soundscapes are not really the same > thing; that looping is more phrase sampling with playback and > soundscapes is controlled feedback/regeneration. Is this correct? Soundscapes can be created without looping (usually a very long reverb will do) and looping does not necesarrily create soundscapes (sequencers, dj's, etc.) Any delay of 1 sec or more can be considered a looper, though if you're looking for dj style looping, regeneration is not necessarily a part of the equation. > How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects? 1 sec. Useful additions to the delay are a fuzz box, a big reverb, and a volume pedal. > How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes? One. Again, I've heard amazing things done with a 1sec boss pedal, a volume pedal and an old alesis midiverb. Amazing. > Is the EDP suited more for looping than soundscaping? Both. > Can one come close to that Fripp sound without buying lots of TC > electronics and Harmonizers? Yes. Old style Fripp (i.e. Let the Power Fall) is the easist. A fuzz box, a volume pedal and a 4 sec. delay. For the guitarist, I would advise a beginning minimal setup of: 1. An active volume pedal. DOD FX-17 or Morley Volume/Wah pedal 2. A good fuzz box. My favorite was the Boss Metal Zone 3. A big reverb. Try an Alesis Nanoverb or the Lexicon MPX-100 4. A 4 sec or larger delay. The Zoom or Headrush, or Line Six are all good beginners boxes. And don't forget the old Digitech Time Machines! Useful, but not vital: 1. A modulation source. Chorus, flange, phaser, tremelo, etc. The Digitech XP-200 or maybe the new Line Six box. 2. An ebow. 93 Fr. Doubt-Goat +++ +++++ +++ Sekhet-Maat Oasis, O.T.O. http://www.sekhetmaat.com +++ +++++ +++ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 23:49:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30748; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:49:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:49:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386C349A.2F77B335@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:44:10 -0500 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDp? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FnN3W3.0.iO7.VJ3Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any idea what the retail on these is supposed to be? Kevin (saving pennies) Kim Flint wrote: >Has the shipdate for the new EDPs been found out yet? > > They tell me new units are coming off the new production line in january. > All systems go! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Dec 30 23:51:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31575; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:51:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:51:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <0.f3d1ba13.259d8f75@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:47:49 EST Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"69ZZK.0.uT7.NM3Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/31/99 12:23:36 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com writes: << You can never have too many delays.. >> truer words were never spoken..........happy new year all...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 00:02:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01168; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:02:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:02:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: James Pearce X-Sender: jamesrp@iris To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It's and Its In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JYd6k2.0.U-7.0W3Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for some odd reason this is just now getting posted and I am now getting the list msg by msg again instead of the digest version i have currently subscribed to. whats the deal? On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, James Pearce wrote: |y'know, you're the only one that still feels some how "violated" by that |off-topic "war" that happened a month back or so enough to keep commenting on |it. give it up. | |i swear in comparison to the other mailing lists i'm on, this one has the |highest "whine" factor. | | | |On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 MyWarNerve@aol.com wrote: | ||The rules are simple, don't play the game. Let them be self righteouse in ||their electronic worlds. Let them discuss scotch and pitbulls. But don't you ||dare have a sense of humor about anything, because that most of all, would be ||off-topic. ||A || || | | _______________________________________________________________________ | James R. Pearce | jamesrp@statenet.com | | _______________________________________________________________________ James R. Pearce jamesrp@statenet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 00:31:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08974; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:31:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: New looper guidance wanted/needed Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"jTD_j3.0.G02.kw3Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I do have a fairly detailed description of my setup on my page, if that is what you are looking for... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > I would really > like to see more examples of soundscape signal paths and think that > there ought to be a place for such things on the LD web page. > > Allan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 02:35:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14971; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:35:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bf53ef$aff93fe0$0e8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <000001bf53b3$17772980$f18909d2@mpx.com.au> <000d01bf5329$ae12dea0$bacd44c6@net.tstar.net> Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:32:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF53AC.A104F440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"seN-e1.0.QH3.Sl5Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF53AC.A104F440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ronda, your fantastic, tell me more. Our sense of humour is so = similar it's uncany. Where are you from. I love kangaroos, infact anything furry, round = and warm. Feel free to send me a few polaroids. my email is, = c.ja.s@adlink.com.au This LoopersDelight dating service is great. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ronda Turner=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Clearly you're going to have to find a way to make a looper out of a = Kangaroo. And while your at it you might as well genetically engineer them to be = large enough that a 250 pound man could climb into its pouch and hop = away. I would suggest to R&D that in the future all Kangaroo loopers should = be able to generate coffee and bark ribald French phrases when stared at = for more than three seconds. Get Paul Hogan on it. Living in Australia, there's not a hellava lot of gear to try locally. 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      Ronda, your = fantastic, tell me=20 more. Our sense of humour is so similar it's uncany.
      Where are you from. I = love=20 kangaroos, infact anything furry, round and warm.
      Feel free to send me = a few=20 polaroids. my email is,  c.ja.s@adlink.com.au
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Clearly you're going to have to find a way to make = a looper=20 out of a Kangaroo.
And while your at it you might as well genetically = engineer=20 them to be large enough that a 250 pound man could climb into its = pouch and=20 hop away.
I would suggest to R&D that in the future all = Kangaroo=20 loopers should be able to generate coffee and bark ribald French = phrases=20 when stared at for more than three seconds.
Get Paul Hogan on it.
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   a hellava lot of gear to try=20 locally. Remember we've only have=20 kangaroos
   and shit jumping around = here.
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF53AC.A104F440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 04:08:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27072; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:08:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:08:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19991231083418.28047.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.218.220.10] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: to Chris White's Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:34:17 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"xd5-M.0.a_1.jg6Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tell me more about usin anwsering machine tapes. I was at radio shack the onther day and noticed tape loops and was wondering how I could implement them effectively. Tell me about your use if them and comments. >From: "Christopher White" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>answers:experiment..i use 3 machines a >quad 2 an mpx 1 and a dd3...i use >samplers and analog boards with these machines..it all depnds i was happy >using modified answering machine tapes when i was poor. >c.white ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 05:48:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13473; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:48:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001501bf5377$45078e80$1bcd44c6@net.tstar.net> From: "Ronda Turner" To: References: <000001bf53b3$17772980$f18909d2@mpx.com.au> <000d01bf5329$ae12dea0$bacd44c6@net.tstar.net> <002401bf53ef$aff93fe0$0e8909d2@mpx.com.au> Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:10:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF5344.F98B4A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"KospU.0.Fz5.V98Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF5344.F98B4A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a picture of me taken shortly after discovering that if you chase = a young white female office temp with a sledgehammer while screaming the = lyrics to Ronnie Milsap songs you can briefly become invisible (sure you = may wake up with someone's dismembered vagina nailed onto a doll of = Adolph Hitler, but you'll be able to look at yourself in the mirror the = next day with pride and say "You'll be hearing from my attorney, Mom".) I generally wouldn't post this to a list, but what the hay, we may all = be icepicking each other in the neck for water in the coming month, = so--happy new year everybody. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cameron=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Ronda, your fantastic, tell me more. Our sense of humour is so = similar it's uncany. Where are you from. I love kangaroos, infact anything furry, = round and warm. Feel free to send me a few polaroids. my email is, = c.ja.s@adlink.com.au This LoopersDelight dating service is great. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ronda Turner=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush Clearly you're going to have to find a way to make a looper out of a = Kangaroo. And while your at it you might as well genetically engineer them to = be large enough that a 250 pound man could climb into its pouch and hop = away. I would suggest to R&D that in the future all Kangaroo loopers = should be able to generate coffee and bark ribald French phrases when = stared at for more than three seconds. Get Paul Hogan on it. Living in Australia, there's not a hellava lot of gear to try locally. Remember we've only have = kangaroos and shit jumping around here. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF5344.F98B4A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a picture of me taken shortly after = discovering that if=20 you chase a young white female office temp with a sledgehammer while = screaming=20 the lyrics to Ronnie Milsap songs you can briefly become invisible (sure = you may=20 wake up with someone's dismembered vagina nailed onto a doll of Adolph = Hitler,=20 but you'll be able to look at yourself in the mirror the next day with = pride and=20 say "You'll be hearing from my attorney, Mom".)
I generally wouldn't post this to a list, but what the hay, we may = all be=20 icepicking each other in the neck for water in the coming month, = so--happy new=20 year everybody. 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 cameron=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 = 6:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: Akia = HeadRush

      Ronda, your = fantastic, tell=20 me more. Our sense of humour is so similar it's uncany.
      Where are you from. = I love=20 kangaroos, infact anything furry, round and warm.
      Feel free to send = me a few=20 polaroids. my email is,  c.ja.s@adlink.com.au
      This LoopersDelight = dating=20 service is great.
    ----- Original Message = -----=20
From:=20 Ronda = Turner=20
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, December 30, = 1999 4:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: Akia = HeadRush

Clearly you're going to have to find a way to = make a=20 looper out of a Kangaroo.
And while your at it you might as well = genetically=20 engineer them to be large enough that a 250 pound man could climb = into its=20 pouch and hop away.
I would suggest to R&D that in the future = all Kangaroo=20 loopers should be able to generate coffee and bark ribald = French=20 phrases when stared at for more than three seconds.
Get Paul Hogan on it.
Living in Australia, there's not
   a hellava lot of gear to try=20 locally. Remember we've only have=20 kangaroos
   and shit jumping around = here.
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF5344.F98B4A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 06:05:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24626; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:05:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:05:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <0.3be1e15e.259de0af@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 05:34:23 EST Subject: Re: Can any body explain Time lag Acuumulator? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 32 Resent-Message-ID: <"oluMU3.0.011.HR8Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 29/12/99 11:18:22 GMT Standard Time, jeremiah266@hotmail.com writes: > "No pussyfooting" one side says "2 modified revox a77" and only one mod a77 > was used on the other yet there is still quite a bit of looping. Why was was > > the a77 used? What were the > modifications? My understanding is that the revi used on this album were > stereo two tracks Yes, Revox A77 's are excellent stereo decks( and any revox/studer gear) and can be bought at a very reasonable price SH, though any 2 decks would do. The modification was probably the addition of varispeed, not essential but easier to change loop time. suggest you look up the Frippertronics section on the LD site. , could 4,8,... track reel to reels be used for > insane density? Yes Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 07:09:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30898; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:09:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhR/uBbEM0DgkLvWr6y8gwdYKiIIkgIVAK9NKVQ+3s3EthbtlxX/dhXuF6CL From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:37:12 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tape loop Message-ID: <20695-386C9568-4791@storefull-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"M3ghh.0.sN3.hL9Ru"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This may be te dumbest question ever posted on this site, but I'll ask anyway. What does it mean in album liner notes when it says: Joe Blow-tape loops? These "samples" always seem to sound alot better than digital samples. My question is specifically: what type of equipment is needed to make them? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 08:17:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09558; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:17:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:17:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:45:01 -0600 (CST) Sender: crash@waste.org From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bleargh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jDWyS2.0.Yz4.bLARu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was looping this morning before I had to go to work (since there was no milk, cereal, or much of anything else in the house) and had quite a loop going - interesting, almost sounded like something from 1999, but was also quite different. I definetely wanted to save it. I was attempting to save the file from procrastination, but I stupidly pressed the save file button twice and it overwrote my interesting 12 minute loop. Crud. Maybe if I get out of here early I can do a loop when I get home. Having to work today is the pits but that's what you get when you work in the computer industry. I've started a tradition that just before a new year occurs, I create a loop with the new year as its title. So far I've got 1998, 1999 and am working on 2000. Fripp is not necessarily the inspiration here. I'm using the Procrastination audio looper for the Mac in conjunction with various guitars through a Mesa studio preamp and a Vortex by way of a Roland VS-840 workstation into my computer. I suppose I could run my synths through it as well, or even my voice. This gives me: Procrastination = 4 minutes, stereo delay Vortex = about 2 seconds VS-840 = about 2 seconds Hey! I just got the new musicians friend catalog - looks like that ZOOM multi FX is now $89. Is this right? Is that the one with the 4 second delay. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 08:43:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25247; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:43:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BF5396.D866AA70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Cc: "'acoustic-ecology@sfu.ca'" , "'Ambient-Digest'" , "'Andre LaFosse'" , "'Andre Wirths'" , "'Andreas Willers'" , "'Bernhard Woestheinrich'" Cc: "'Elmar Hintz'" <8m2@01019freenet.de>, "'Klaus Stuehlen'" <106613.2204@compuserve.com>, "'Kuno Wagner'" , "'Leander Reininghaus'" , "'Markus Reuter'" , "'Matthias Becker'" Cc: "'Michael Rüsenberg'" , "'Michel Redolfi'" , "'Walter Brühn'" , "'EuropaStringChoir@onelist.com'" , "'Jason Reinier'" Subject: my 2000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:55:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MyY9g2.0.BD6.oSARu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yesterday a friend of mine (Karsten Schulze, a keyboard player from Cologne/Germany) came up with a cool idea: His personal goal for 2000 is to create and record 10 seconds of music every day. Just like a diary entry, but very short. 10 seconds each day sum up to 3650 seconds, or about 1 hour of music at the end of the year, consisting of 365 small bits. I was fascinated by this idea at once, and I think I'll try to do this too. I'm really thinking of this as a musical diary, so the 10-second-bits will possibly turn out to be very different, just like the days. Some will be composed pieces, some improvised sounds, some just environmental recordings. All in all, it will probably end up as a very colorful patchwork. Another approach would be to create a coherent piece of music out of 365 units. This 1 hour will be 'my 2000'. It could be either put on CD (because 365 tracks won't work, they could be grouped into, say, 12 month-tracks), or possibly on CD-ROM for computer. One could also devise some sort of software, or a website, consisting of a calendar - clicking a day would play the 10 second track of the day and possibly display a diary entry, image, or something similar. If more of you should decide to run their own 'my 2000' project, we could even bundle our efforts and turn it into something public, marketing-wise, for those who would do it as a professional music project. I'd volunteer to set up and host a website for this if needed. :-) But first - 365 pieces of music must be created. Let me know what you think. A healthy, peaceful, and successful year to all of you. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 09:10:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09593; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:10:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:10:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991231083925.007a4890@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:39:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Bleargh In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"e2hq81.0.mf5.08BRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:45 AM 12/31/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hey! I just got the new musicians friend catalog - looks like that >ZOOM multi FX is now $89. Is this right? Is that the one with the >4 second delay. > Looks like the Zoom 2100 is out of the picture, though, since it was featured as a blowout item for $99 a couple of catalogs ago, and there's no mention of it now. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 09:12:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10934; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:12:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:12:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991231082724.007a8230@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:27:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Boston New Years Conceptual Computer Looping In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991230210053.007a9220@pop.ici.net> References: <386BEBB8.89C5B073@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zi-Dl.0.xe3.myARu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From yesterday's Boston Globe: _____________________________________________________________________________ Apocalypse Now: Y2K Pops Techno artists William Tremblay and Rob Gonsalves hit their conceptual mother lode when First Night production director Gina Mullen urged them to come up with a proposal for the millennial shindig. After all, says Tremblay, "this was going to be the big one." Cogitating about what to propose, they cast a wary eye at our era's version of apocalypse: Y2K. "This time last year, there was a spate of news stories about how the world would end. Elevators would plummet, things like that," says Tremblay. "We felt it was highly overrated, and a bald-faced marketing strategy to get everybody to buy a new PC." In fact, says Gonsalves, "The average Joe at home using Word and Excel won't run into any problems. Most applications don't care what the date is." Tremblay and Gonsalves decided to test the doomsayers' theory - while still making merry. They've collected 101 older computers, dating from 1987 to 1992, most of which are not Y2K compliant. Each has been programmed to sound like a particular musical instrument; together, all 100 will sound like an orchestra. Each will also project a visual element corresponding to the musical note it plays. Starting at 1 p.m. at the Hynes Convention Center and going until 1 a.m., Y2K Pops will play a loop of 15 songs under the guidance of a robot, called the "semi-conductor." At midnight, any number of the computers may come down with the millennial bug. Gonsalves and Tremblay plan to monitor all the hardware and software, and to see what hits the double-zero wall and what passes through it when 1999 gives way to 2000. Boom or bust, it ought to be a good show. ______________________________________________________________________________ We now return to our regularly-scheduled topic, furry kangaroo loopers... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 09:23:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17467; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:23:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991231085652.0095f5c0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:57:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush In-Reply-To: <001501bf5377$45078e80$1bcd44c6@net.tstar.net> References: <000001bf53b3$17772980$f18909d2@mpx.com.au> <000d01bf5329$ae12dea0$bacd44c6@net.tstar.net> <002401bf53ef$aff93fe0$0e8909d2@mpx.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"TEVuf.0.QT.KPBRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please, no HTML encoded messages to mailing lists. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 09:25:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18241; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:25:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008a01bf5393$e9ad2640$de95f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: S/N [was Re: AKIA HEADRUSH] Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:35:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GQfBE2.0.qm5.l8BRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Hawkeye255@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 11:28 PM >I only get 'hissing' and other noise if my signal is too hot going in to the >Headrushes I find that to be an odd statement. Hiss, in my experience, becomes more apparent with a LOW s/n ratio, i.e. not enough signal. This is the opposite of what you said above. How can a hot signal cause hiss? Distortion would be the result I'd expect. Happy new year, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 09:26:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18524; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:26:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008f01bf5394$4dfc2a60$de95f5ce@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:38:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"m9NVA.0.v36.OBBRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Doubt-Goat To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 11:28 PM >For the guitarist, I would advise a beginning minimal setup of: >1. An active volume pedal. DOD FX-17 or Morley Volume/Wah pedal >2. A good fuzz box. My favorite was the Boss Metal Zone >3. A big reverb. Try an Alesis Nanoverb or the Lexicon MPX-100 >4. A 4 sec or larger delay. The Zoom or Headrush, or Line Six are all >good beginners boxes. And don't forget the old Digitech Time Machines! > >Useful, but not vital: >1. A modulation source. Chorus, flange, phaser, tremelo, etc. The >Digitech XP-200 or maybe the new Line Six box. >2. An ebow. In what order to you recommend to put these devices? Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 10:27:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06005; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:27:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701bf539b$f4e751e0$57964e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Akia HeadRush / Australia Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF5372.0B371680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ifhcr1.0.au4.rtBRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF5372.0B371680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always thought that Boomerangs came from Australia! :-) Living in Australia, there's not a hellava lot of gear to try locally. 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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BF5372.0B371680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 10:55:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22287; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:55:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <0.45f8374a.259e1e43@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:57:07 EST Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"I90XA.0.Gz6.jHCRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 12/30/99 6:47:42 PM, ahoeltje@best.com writes: >In lieu of a proper looping device I finally got the >courage to combine my GT-5 and GT-3 together with a Macky 1202 mixer and >fiddle with aux sends, 1.8 seconds of delay, and feedback. I prefer short delays (between 1-5 sec.) for looping, mostly because I find them easier to use rhythmically, so long as I have some ways of varying the loop as it rolls around. So, I always place some fx afterwards, usually ones that have a sweep or step function that can alter the sounds over longer periods that my delay time, or set to modulate out of sync with the delay pattern, so it seems to change over a longer time, or to simply not be so relentless. The Gt-5 can do this all by itself wonderfully, using the Internal Wave function if the fx doesn't have a builtin lfo. Also check out its delay spill-over function: copy the same hold-delay preset to each slot in a bank, then change the sounds going into and post-processing the loop in each preset. Now you can switch presets without losing the delay contents, but in each case the loop will sound different, and you can add different sounds to it. Also, re: Mackie mixers, I don't remember if the 1202 has control room and main outs or buss assignment buttons, but if it does, you can use the main outs to send any and all inputs to another looping delay, then bring the delay back to a channel strip set to output only to the control room outs, which is what you send to your monitor. All other inputs are (or can be) set to both main (to looper) and control room (to monitor). At www.vg-8.com/users/, I've posted a schematic of this sort of routing map using a 1604VLZ, which still surprises me with evermore useful routing options, after several years of messing around with it. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 11:17:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01895; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:17:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991231101815.007a6310@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:18:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: S/N [was Re: AKAI HEADRUSH] In-Reply-To: <008a01bf5393$e9ad2640$de95f5ce@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mnO432.0.Wb.gaCRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't noticed any "hissing" with mine, but it does seem to be pretty susceptible to overload distortion, particularly when looping bass. It often seems that I can hit it with a harder signal from guitar or a non-bassy synth sound and not distort, but then a comparitavely wimpy bass signal (judging by the meters on my board) pushes it over into distorto-land. Any ideas? At 08:35 AM 12/31/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I only get 'hissing' and other noise if my signal is too hot going in to >the Headrushes > >I find that to be an odd statement. Hiss, in my experience, becomes more >apparent with a LOW s/n ratio, i.e. not enough signal. This is the opposite >of what you said above. How can a hot signal cause hiss? Distortion would >be the result I'd expect. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 14:51:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08196; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:51:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:51:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: jcoker@rosy.yourwebhost.com Message-ID: <386CF914.4D680C33@jguru.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:42:28 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar References: <00ef01bf435f$d9cfeda0$8b0d1a3f@newmicronpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PAg5B3.0.NV2.BVFRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For instruments, recordings, and books on indian music go to the Ali Akbar College Store at: http://www.aacm.org/shop/ James Ko wrote: > > Thanks all for all the suggestions. I'll try them out when I'm not > bedridden anymore (caught a nasty flu). > > Also, are there any books out there that publish rudimenary ragas in tab > form? My note reading skills are wholly inadequate. I'm not looking for a > complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to > familiarize myself to the tonality. > > Thanks again. This list is a great resource! > > Jim Ko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 15:35:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26849; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:35:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:35:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <0.33f8edba.259e5caf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:23:27 EST Subject: Re: S/N [was Re: AKIA HEADRUSH] To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <"mq7B33.0.UK7.JBGRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I get no extraneous noise (including hiss) if the levels are right. Got it, Bill? Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 17:02:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26124; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:02:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386CF285.D7B9545B@quik.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:14:29 -0800 From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Reply-To: dgoat@sekhetmaat.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed References: <008f01bf5394$4dfc2a60$de95f5ce@-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NZ2VD1.0.jF1.RfHRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 Bill Fox wrote: > In what order to you recommend to put these devices? Fuzz - Volume - Modulation - Delay - Reverb -- 93 Fr. Doubt-Goat From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 16:56:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24078; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:56:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:56:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19991231155901.007ae9f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:59:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar In-Reply-To: <386CF914.4D680C33@jguru.com> References: <00ef01bf435f$d9cfeda0$8b0d1a3f@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PbEsX1.0.sn.7aHRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know how good it is, but there's a "Theory of Indian Music - Sitar" instructional book on eBay right now. Auction ends on the 4th; search under "sitar" At 11:42 AM 12/31/99 -0700, you wrote: > >For instruments, recordings, and books on indian >music go to the Ali Akbar College Store at: http://www.aacm.org/shop/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 17:13:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30303; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:13:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:13:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701bf53d4$704363a0$e0d6fc9e@r5s8s9> From: "Gary Brain" To: Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:17:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"S2PS7.0.GI2.npHRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com James, I would be happy to help/answer any questions you might have regarding Hindustani music. I not a master by any stretch, but would certainly be able to provide you with a listening list (trade tapes even), give you a brief high level historical view, provide some simple chalans (structural foundation of the Rags), provide you with contact information of real Hindustani teachers, or answer any general questions you may have. A word of caution: I started out 10 years ago with a mild curiousity after reading a Olivier Messiaen interview. I found that the music had no life, and began a serious study (not with Ali Akbar Khan FYI) of Raga music. 3 years later I found myself hip deep in practice for 4 hours everyday. What I am saying is that Raga music can be habit forming *smile*. I must admit, the time I have spent studying has paid dividends in regards to my western compositions, since the western music doesn't stress melody as strongly (there is no harmony only tonal centers in Hindustani music). Also, you will find quite a few fascinating theories in regards to musical time cycles. A great asset to any loop artist. Prospero -----Original Message----- From: Jim Coker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar > >For instruments, recordings, and books on indian >music go to the Ali Akbar College Store at: http://www.aacm.org/shop/ > >James Ko wrote: >> >> Thanks all for all the suggestions. I'll try them out when I'm not >> bedridden anymore (caught a nasty flu). >> >> Also, are there any books out there that publish rudimenary ragas in tab >> form? My note reading skills are wholly inadequate. I'm not looking for a >> complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to >> familiarize myself to the tonality. >> >> Thanks again. This list is a great resource! >> >> Jim Ko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 17:30:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03984; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:30:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.19991231142649.00aa6a80@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:30:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Bleargh In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"auoql.0.u24.r4IRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 06:45 AM 12/31/99 -0600, Todd Madson wrote: > >Hey! I just got the new musicians friend catalog - looks like that >ZOOM multi FX is now $89. Is this right? Is that the one with the >4 second delay. You're thinking of the Zoom 508, I believe; Musician's Friend hasn't listed it in their print catalog. The 505 is the Multi-FX, which is what they're offering. It's an absolutely abysmal unit for anyone who has passed beyond "I am METAL GOD" in their parent's home. Delay maxes out at 350 ms, you don't have real control over presets, it chops output signal substantially and does nasty things to tone, and quite frankly, the included effects save the reverb leave a lot to be desired even for the price. The big killer is the fact that you're stuck with "variations on Zoom themes", which means you can't tweak delay feedback or chorus settings or anything that you're likely used to at all. I suppose one is better than nothing, but when you can track down old Boss ME-6 and ME-8s for less than $150, why buy something that doesn't let you really tweak or sound great? == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 Yahoo: theReverendRob http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.realm-of-shade.com/music : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 18:15:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19695; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01b001bf53f4$d3868f80$f9b9173f@GTEtesh> From: "NITESH PATEL" To: References: <38469BA9.52AC@together.net> Subject: Re: Roland MS-1 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:09:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"C_MCX.0.aT6.uWIRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ROLAND WILL SEND YOU THE BOOK FOR 15.00 US CALL ROLAND I HAVE A MS-1 WITH A 20 MEG CARD IN IT SAMPLES IN ALL 5 BANKS IT'S GREAT LITTLE PHRASE SAMPLER I GOT ASR-10 SAMPLING KEYBOARD AND A ROLAND SP808 AND A MC505 I WANNA GET A SP GROOVE 202 IF YOU KNOW ANY ONE SELLIN ONE LET ME KNOW. TESH@GTE.NET ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:17 AM Subject: Roland MS-1 > Does anyone have any experience using the Roland MS-1 sampler > with a Flashdisk memory card? > > Jon Williams > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 18:15:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19696; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:15:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:15:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <386D2DED.3B42@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:27:57 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yP5Hv2.0.Bi.NrIRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Happy 2000 to you all Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Dec 31 20:09:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31081; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:09:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:09:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Any Plex Upgrade hints? Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <386CF285.D7B9545B@quik.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"qWDU93.0.i01.fNKRu"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With the recent good will toward men and all that, and the impending re-start of the Plex, will it be updated? And can ya reveal anything about the planned software upgrade? I really wish the Plex could count down loop time...hint.... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave 'Future Perfect' - art music http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/